Ban all links to X/Twitter.

[noble geode]

Freaks me out

[tulip tiger]

For me 1am

[chilly sigil]

ig im something of american myself, with my fucked up sleep schedule

[solid marten]

!whois 688588392190967923 849010835225444382

[silent moon]

@warm venture: 688588392190967923
Account created at: 2020-03-15_03:24:26 UTC
Banned until: 9999-12-31_23:59:59 UTC
3 known usernames: .ryelow, queersylveon and Ryelow
0 known nickname: None
They have 1 warning, with these notes:
1) 2025-02-03: Banned permanently with reason: also advocating for political violence, zero-tolerance

@tardy mountain: 849010835225444382
Account created at: 2021-05-31_19:45:56 UTC
Banned until: 9999-12-31_23:59:59 UTC
11 known usernames: 9304, April <3, ch1ptype, e6z1 and hetvos (to see them all use names <userid or mention>)
70 known nicknames: ឵, ឵឵, 💠 jan Luna 💠 (mi lanpan e mun), 💠 Luwuna 💠 and 💠sus💠 (to see them all use names <userid or mention>)
They have 20 warnings, with these notes:
1) 2022-01-17: Inapproriate use of the word gay - gayming
2) 2022-01-29: deliberately shitposting in #off-topic
3) 2022-02-15: Muted for 1 day with reason: conversation
4) 2022-03-31: Muted for 5 days with reason: redirecting argument
5) 2022-04-16: Muted for 10000 days with reason: insulting each other
6) 2022-04-22: #off-topic message
7) 2022-04-22: Muted for 1000 days with reason: Abelist and Racist comments in #off-topic
8) 2022-04-27: Muted for 10000 days with reason: being toxic.
9) 2022-04-29: Muted for 1000 days with reason: toxic
10) 2022-06-07: Muted for 100 days
11) 2022-06-07: Muted for 100 days with reason: talk
12) 2022-06-07: Muted for 7 hours with reason: shorten mute so they can go to sleep
13) 2022-08-13: Muted for 7 days with reason: wishing death upon people
14) 2022-08-31: Muted for 12 hours with reason: divert argument
15) 2022-09-07: Muted for 100 days
16) 2022-09-08: Muted for 100 days
17) 2022-10-13: Muted for 5 minutes with reason: fast spam

[silent moon]

18) 2022-10-16: Muted for 365 days with reason: harrassment
19) 2022-10-17: Banned for 365 days with reason: signing another user up to adult services without their permission.
20) 2025-02-03: Banned permanently with reason: 1w there is no place in this server for political violence, take it elsewhere

[solid marten]

it's these two, and yeah, both banned

[cold pollen]

gone

[noble geode]

utc > all

[tulip tiger]

In comparison to them i'm barely a thug

[kindred glade]

Still in the log though, oh well

[noble geode]

Yeah lunduke obviously purposely used them to push his anti-Linux agenda or anti-woke or whatever. I’m betting he know they were banned, since he apparently has screen shots of the chat to use in his videos

fun fact, this thread has timed out/banned 200+ people

[cold pollen]

it's not in the public log

[noble geode]

200+ bigots

[kindred glade]

Oh good 😅

[north thorn]

hell yeah

[kindred glade]

Thanks @cold pollen

[silent moon]

locked100plus1 received a thank you cookie!

[tulip tiger]

It's a great nazi bait

[chilly sigil]

i wonder what account is his

[cold pollen]

wiredrose is back

[north thorn]

good honeypot, tho i wish they weren't able to vote because they aren't part of the community

[chilly sigil]

obviously some that hadn't talked at all here, and new one ig

[noble geode]

I’m sure there are a few sock puppets and coconspirators

[solid marten]

!whois 552286012198354944

[silent moon]

@round swan: 552286012198354944
Account created at: 2019-03-05_00:27:26 UTC
1 known username: cinnamonpancake
0 known nickname: None
They have 2 warnings, with these notes:
1) 2025-01-18: rule1a violation, don't bring up or describe sexual acts in channels
2) 2025-02-01: Muted for 5 minutes with reason: fast spam

[solid marten]

not sure if that is the pancake in question?

[kindred glade]

I think it is yeah that looks familiar

[noble geode]

Is lunduke just some massive troll or something

[north thorn]

they're here to post screenshots of us to their nazi discord 🤫

[solid marten]

yeah it is

[noble geode]

Worse, he’s a washed up propagandist

[north thorn]

he's a chud

[kindred glade]

I wouldn't take my word for it though

[chilly sigil]

that's insult to trolls

[cold pollen]

He's a nutso maga linux user who runs a popular channel

[north thorn]

alt right cunt

[noble geode]

trolling is an art so fair

[noble geode]

He acts like a windows user

[north thorn]

i bet he is a windows user, he never shows his desktop afaik

[chilly sigil]

he probably doesn't know how to use much anything beyond web browser

[noble geode]

He has shit talked all the major distros, Nixos, Debian, Arch like whaaat who does that.

[north thorn]

boomer ahh nazi

[kindred glade]

Is nix a major distro now

[noble geode]

god bless the usa and nowhere else

[kindred glade]

I thought it was still kinda niche

[north thorn]

yea i think it is

or its getting there

[kindred glade]

What about Mint

[chilly sigil]

nix is still quite niche imo

[noble geode]

It’s the biggest distro if you consider package repo size

[tulip tiger]

What are they gonna do? Stab us to death?

[chilly sigil]

that's cheating

not all packages are made equal

[north thorn]

unironically i bet they'd like to

[kindred glade]

Isn't that because of the flake things tho

[mint sandal]

stuff like vscode plugins are separate packages

[noble geode]

Funny enough I love Mint and NixOs and I use them both lol

[noble geode]

they love us!

[kindred glade]

I'm not the biggest fan of mint

[noble geode]

what de/wm?

[cold pollen]

Innocent till proven guilty, I just found it funny that she returned so quickly after claiming to leave

[north thorn]

if you say so chief

[kindred glade]

I like fedora

[chilly sigil]

that graph is useless tbh
some distros split packages, some (like arch) don't really

[cold pollen]

why is there a 1m slowmode all of a sudden, it's pretty chill at the moment

[noble geode]

split?

[kindred glade]

Thank god

[north thorn]

fedora is cool, also yea slow mode 😭

[silent moon]

You're thanking too much ó_ò

[solid marten]

because you're not a hu 🙂

[kindred glade]

Teehee

[tulip tiger]

🤭

[noble geode]

I prefer Gnome, xfce and Mate. Whether packages are split or not doesn’t make a big difference, NixOS still has the biggest repo and zero dependency issues

[chilly sigil]

not sure about nix, but for example void splits lot of packages into package and package-devel for libraries
and sometimes also package-docs can be thing
arch genereally keeps them together

[cold pollen]

I DEMAND to be made a helpful user

[noble geode]

libpam0g-dev

I also use void and arch. Void can be annoying to update tbf… compared to Arch, but arch pulls hella hard with some packages

[solid marten]

sorry, no Scots allowed

[tulip tiger]

🤣 That's no way of tone to get anything

[ebon zealot]

Gnome is very broken. Mate is Gnome 2 and literally gnome, was forked when Gnome became apple like so makes it gnome classic , Xfce has its own quirks and hence KDE is the only choice

[cold pollen]

But I want it!!!!!!

[chilly sigil]

i use void and artix on bedrock lol

[north thorn]

i will help you so much to get the role dont tempt me

[noble geode]

what init?

[solid marten]

#tech-general is probably the channel y'all forgot you're not in by the way

[ebon zealot]

hey cmon lets have chill time here since all eyes are on this server it seems

[tulip tiger]

😆 Too bad you're in for a challenge, my existence being the spark for all computer chaos and NixOS

[chilly sigil]

void's one, so runit
really only reason why i went artix instead of arch is to not have systemd polluting rest of system (and artix s6 btw, because s6 and execline are just cool)

[noble geode]

what's wrong with systemd?

[solid marten]

#tech-general

[noble geode]

KDE was buggy and heavier than Gnome for me, it wouldn’t sleep when I closed my laptop or it would and wouldn’t turn back on without a hard reboot. KDE feels so gimmicky. Well, plasma does. Old KDE is great. Gnome is great. Xfce is basically perfection.

[solid marten]

#tech-general

[solid marten]

#tech-general

[potent musk]

A free and uncensored internet is the best way to fight extremism. Information should be free and accessible - no matter the source. Anybody who doesn't want to use X can just not click the links. Deciding for everyone is a bad thing and will have bad consequences no matter how positive the intentions.

[chilly sigil]

when did i said there's something wrong with it?
i just prefer runit, and don't want systemd when it'd do nothing anyways

[noble geode]

as of this comment, we passed the 91k comment threshold

[mint sandal]

So, not behind a requirement for account?

[north thorn]

it's called democracy, the decision isn't being made for everyone, everyone is deciding it

[tulip tiger]

So far the democracy there is being rigged by lunduke goons

[solid marten]

actually the poll is non-binding and the mods can do whatever they want regarding banning it or not regardless of the result, it's likely being used as a way of seeing what the general feeling is,that doesn't mean it'll necessarily align with an outcome

[mint sandal]

Also, by that logic, links to 4chan and porn sites should also be allowed?

[potent musk]

no that's called tyranny of the majority.

[ebon zealot]

Nothing is uncensored in this world when the entire world is controlled to be Israel lover

[solid marten]

this is a good faith message, I know a lot of you are primed by what has happened with bad faith responses and bigotry. Please put that to one side.

[north thorn]

right like all they have to say is "i dont like democracy"

also @solid marten since the cooldown is so high: that's true, but even if they do go for it then most of the community has already agreed with it

[solid marten]

so far

I also want to add this for the avoidance of doubt

===Reminder: All server rules apply to all of the server. Please do not encourage sucide, or make threats, even as jokes, towards other people, be them users of this server or not. If you see something, instead of playing victim and making a shitty video about it, please open a ticket==

.s tickets

[wet sinew]

To report issues privately to the moderation team, use tickets.

To open a ticket, use the command </tickets open:839848848003825673>. This will open a private channel where you can talk to the moderators.
You can add other users to the ticket by using the command </tickets adduser:839848848003825673> in that channel.

When you're done talking to the moderation team, use the command </tickets close:839848848003825673> in your ticket's channel. This will archive all the messages sent in the ticket and delete the channel.

[ebon zealot]

thanks vegancookie. your doing gods work appreciating it

[north thorn]

yea i mean currently it's being votebombed by lunduke's community so who knows

[ebon zealot]

despite the fact that imagining cookies made vegan is a utterly disgusting idea atleast mods are doing an awesome job

[north thorn]

yea mods and vegancookies are both cool

[solid marten]

and yet there remains a healthy 700 ish lead. Even if there wasn't, the mods would take that into account before acting. they aren't the UK government and this isn't the brexit referendum

[kindred glade]

Ouch

[solid marten]

whilst I appreciate that I think you make this thread specifically a lot worse because you give the trolls what they want, and I strongly encourage you to remove yourself from this channel until the poll is over

[kindred glade]

Hard agree tbh

[noble geode]

I think you misunderstand what free and censorship really mean, your concept of anyone can do whatever they want is absurd, if you have a community and people flood it with bad or even illegal content are you not obligated to moderate it?

[north thorn]

wow aight, i'll just fuck off then, thanks

[noble geode]

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1882406209187409976 thoughts?

[tulip tiger]

What is your opinion of me?

[solid marten]

I won't be clicking on it, you'd be better off sending an indirect link or screenshot

[solid marten]

haven't noticed you that much so can't comment, sorry

[ebon zealot]

especially especially you should know America finances more wars and is the reason why the Middle east got fucked up and trying to split turkey

[kindred hill]

vegan loves me

[tulip tiger]

Huh, i'm kinda surprised by that response a bit but not offended

[solid marten]

typical posturing from an insecure but wildly rich man.

[kindred glade]

I think we should be keeping debate civil, fanning the flames only reinforces our pre-existing beliefs of one another and prevents either side from examining the other in good faith and maybe gaining a little understanding

[ebon zealot]

Vegan is cool but thats even for my standarts an L. you should love yourself. someone loving you ? a huge L :3

[potent musk]

stupid tweet. He's been saying lots of stupid things recently. If you're gonna ban a whole domain based dumb takes, you're not going to have a lot of internet left.

[solid marten]

how do you feel about posting indirect links or screenshots instead of x links?

[noble geode]

#1332789056068780083 message

[ebon zealot]

there are more healthier places then just that ? theres bluesky ? theres mastadon. twitter got ruined the moment elon came into it. i mean it was a cesspool before

[noble geode]

good

[potent musk]

less extreme. Still doesn't beat not mass censoring a whole platform instead of judging messages and people who wrote them on a case by case basis.

[mint sandal]

by that logic, links to 4chan and porn sites should also be allowed?

[solid marten]

the problem is allowing the links allows more traffic, more traffic to the site keeps the in a healthier condition. You want to take away the NAZI's toys? gotta reduce the traffic

the less traffic X gets, the less influence it can exert

[chilly sigil]

4chan is banned? haven't even noticed that lol

[cold pollen]

To me the reason for banning twitter is the principle in not supporting a Nazi ran platform by taking away their traffic, we know it will not have much effect but it's about the principle of not supporting Nazis

[potent musk]

how are they more healthy exactly?

[ebon zealot]

have you ever used them ? if yes you should know better

[solid marten]

assume they haven't

[potent musk]

I don't have an issue with either personally, but generally those are NSFW and probably illegal in several countries, so it's kind of apples and oranges situation comparing it to one of the biggest platform for normies.

[cold pollen]

It's a nicer community, they don't have algorithms biased in favour of the far right or special protections for accounts that engage in harassment campaigns such as Libs of TikTok for a few reasons

[mint sandal]

So when twitter gets banned in any country it will be okay to ban it on community discords?

[potent musk]

I don't even use X. I've looked into Mastodon once and it seemed kind of boring and dead. Never been to Bluesky but it seems like the refuge of people who got their ego bruised by X community notes from what I've heard.

[cold pollen]

nah it's people who are tired of Elon's mismanagement of twitter and who have thus decided to jump ship for a nicer friendlier community

[noble geode]

I don't quite understand the base on banning x ?
wouldn't that be silencing a minority of people ?
not very dei of you guys smh

[cold pollen]

^

[leaden ledge]

The fact this all is even still a discussion is astounding. Banning X would cause so many issues and a lot of us are tired of repeating ourselves 😭. Case closed. It isn't even up to our discussion, it is up to the vote.

[steady bear]

why do we have to be mixing politics into linux? its software! Personally, I don't care who is using it or what social platform they use or want to share things from. just use what you want!

[mint sandal]

I'm curious, what issues? Can you give 3?
@steady bear the entire gnu is a political statement lol

[cold pollen]

FOSS is a very political thing, the idea of publishing your software free for anyone to use however they want is a deeply opinionated and political decision

[outer raft]

Is it even up to a vote

[leaden ledge]

Read what I have said previously through the Search feature 😔 It's been flooded out unforunately.

[tulip tiger]

So BSD is the apolitical choice or do we go back to rock and stone?

[kindred hill]

All I am going to say is if you want politics or stuff like #controversial-archive removed, make a thread in #1006744879583461418 to propose it and let the community at large discuss the merits.

[outer raft]

Politics related to software not necessarily anything else

[mint sandal]

I dont know what you wrote. Please use the Search feature to find what you wrote and link

[potent musk]

There'd be definitely more of a case for it than just "I don't want to see it, therefore everyone should not see it". If it's actually illegal for a large amount of the userbase then it becomes like that Russian contribution to the Kernel situation - a legal headache at best.

[steady bear]

what is the twitter/X ban even based on? im not in the loop.

[cold pollen]

^

[leaden ledge]

no

[mint sandal]

Are you comparing community chat to accepting contributions from aggressive countries to the biggest kernel in the world? Smells like false equivalence

[cold pollen]

to me it is deeply tied into and similaar to areas like copyright law and things like property rights

[noble geode]

What’s wrong with BSD? I use BSD and I’m super woke. BSD feels more in line with communist/socialist values than Linux/GNU

[outer raft]

Both should be accepted after review

[potent musk]

The Kernel maintainers did nothing wrong personally as far as I know? Are you painting people by that large of a brush?

[noble geode]

uh

[mint sandal]

No, I'm not

[tulip tiger]

I never said it was bad, hell many companies use bsd for game console operating systems

[potent musk]

My point regarding Kernel maintainers was that eventually the Linux foundation justified that ban by being forced to do it, due to being based in one of the countries that enforce sanctions.

[noble geode]

If you think BSD servers/groups/chats/mailing lists are not moderated you should join them and find out.

[mint sandal]

The entire discord can get forced to do stuff by countries. That is the case already. Some small server having rules will not change it.

[noble geode]

wait isnt the whole point of linux/bsd to be free ?
like tails and qubes for journalist ?
why moderate anything other than the painfully obvious ?

[cold pollen]

not the point of the discord server

[paper aspen]

this discussion is still happening???

[leaden ledge]

talking about politics outside of #controversial-archive deff isn't the point of the server either.. lmfao

[noble geode]

Your idea of freedom is clouded by your idealistic desire to not be held accountable. This is pretty common, but like I said previously, if you run a platform or group or something and people post illegal content or bully others are you not obligated to moderate it? Will you stand by and just watch it burn up with trolls and hateful people?

[mint sandal]

neither is getting raided by some youtube rage content creators viewers

[cold pollen]

Don't change the subject + whataboutism

[noble geode]

i mean yeah ig but like the point of linux is supposed to be freedom im not understanding

[leaden ledge]

and who made that system and who contributed to the far left controversy that made a guy make a youtube video lmfao

[mint sandal]

we're at the victim blaming already? Wowie. That's a fast rush through the bad faith talking points

[cold pollen]

the point of this server is to be an unofficial representation of the people who use a specific linux distribution and to act as a community for them, thus we are voting as a community if we want to allow twitter or not

[noble geode]

maybe im miss understanding because last i checked their wasnt anything bad happening on twitter, im not on pol twt so i wouldnt be able to tell you, at the end of the day its the internet just close ur eyes if you dont wanna see something. its not that deep

[leaden ledge]

Unfortunately, there's still many people who do hate people for their identity in these spaces. This server prioritizes safety and comfort for marginalized groups, with the intent of providing everyone a place to exist as they are, without hate.

We advertise ourselves as accepting, use pride imagery in our icon, and have a dedicated channel for lgbt+ discussion, for several reasons: it's so we're seen as an accepting space, and people from marginalized groups are more likely to join; it deters hateful people from joining; and it means that hateful people who do join tend to be very loud about their hate, so they're kicked out early and their rhetoric doesn't spread.```

don't overstep

[tulip tiger]

Long wall of copy pasted text... didn't read it again

[noble geode]

i mean it is a democratic vote and so but like it all feels so silly to me

[leaden ledge]

"long wall of copy pasted text" but it is actively talking... about the arch linux stance on lgbtq???? lmfao 😭

[cold pollen]

what did they mean by this

[noble geode]

The vote is performative, the Administration chooses what rules to implement and enforce.

[tulip tiger]

If they can't read in section where it originated, shoving it down their eyes ain't gonna make them willing to read it

[leaden ledge]

what are you confused about 😭

[kindred hill]

That's kinda dismissive ngl

[steady bear]

define performative

[cold pollen]

what is the point in posting this

[mint sandal]

how do I overstep lmao

[leaden ledge]

if you are discussing anything in this server within the stance of lgbtq i think you should at least know arch linux's stance on the whole thing... kind of ironic where if you can't read where it originated even though... it's... the arch linux... oh my god?? lmfaoo

[tulip tiger]

You missed the word again, and i thought i had short attention span

[leaden ledge]

saying i am victim blaming for the result of chain reactions is where you overstepped and saying my stance is in "bad faith" when it is a simple opinion and fact over the reason someone made a video in this in the first place. the whole thing is stupid and filled with misinformation. literally no one comes here to discuss politics and they of course go into #controversial-archive if they want to

[noble geode]

It’s a poll for fun, it has nothing to do with actual decision making.

[leaden ledge]

research "lgbt+ and arch linux" if that helps

[kindred hill]

Are you kidding me? That poll is binding.

We are literally voting to ban X

[cold pollen]

are you going to answer

[kindred hill]

Did we want two videos by an alt right edge lord wishing death threats against mods like me and Anna?

I have death threats from this punk

[leaden ledge]

is it really so hard to read simple text. context clues my man

[noble geode]

Oh 👀 I was under the impression we were outright banning Twitter but had the poll for like a general idea of people’s thoughts on it

[potent musk]

Step 1: Start a petition for DNS registrars.

[cold pollen]

stop dancing around and just answer the question why are you posting the lgbtq coypaste

[noble geode]

Yeah, he has doxxed many members too in his videos.

[outer raft]

Same, but i thought the vote was just to watch the shitshow unfold instead

[tulip tiger]

And also there's literally bot command... no need to exert manual work of copy paste for them

[leaden ledge]

of course you can't comprehend the literal stance of lgbt+ arch linux on this server and since you seem to be talking about it so much why not understand it properly. the only thing ive seen you remotely contribute is these topics which are in heart political and literally make no sense

[cold pollen]

right you're just being rude and disrespectful, you're not here to engage in good faith

[mint sandal]

fair, I'm sorry, I shouldn't do that

[leaden ledge]

when was the last time you genuinely stepped outside or looked at the actual price of eggs locked, seriously man. you are posting nothingburgers and speaking about things you know nothing about. :/ the purpose of this wasn't to be political or hear how you are left dude no offense lmfao

[cold pollen]

Irrelevant, you could have answered my question like 8 minutes ago

[wet sinew]

This Discord server has a large LGBT population. Free Software and tech communities, as a whole, historically have large LGBT populations, because they tend to provide an accepting environment. Communication happens on the Internet, often anonymously, and so there's a lot less discrimination against others based on their identity. Generally, people care most about the quality of your contributions and discussion. They've provided a safe haven for those who would be shunned elsewhere for being themselves.

Unfortunately, there's still many people who do hate people for their identity in these spaces. This server prioritizes safety and comfort for marginalized groups, with the intent of providing everyone a place to exist as they are, without hate.

We advertise ourselves as accepting, use pride imagery in our icon, and have a dedicated channel for lgbt+ discussion, for several reasons: it's so we're seen as an accepting space, and people from marginalized groups are more likely to join; it deters hateful people from joining; and it means that hateful people who do join tend to be very loud about their hate, so they're kicked out early and their rhetoric doesn't spread.

[noble geode]

is this just a copy pasta ?

[leaden ledge]

i get you're passionate about politics but at least try to understand the core values of what you are arguing about and don't get defensive when someone confronts you on the issues. less than $5 for a carton

[cold pollen]

You're changing the subject to insult me, answer my question

[tulip tiger]

It is a bot command... to save effort from finding this and many other walls of text and copy pasting it

[leaden ledge]

how am i insulting you i just asked the last time you actually went outside and looked at the price of eggs since your takes are all political and left... the question was answered ages ago in the wall of text

[noble geode]

based

[cold pollen]

"i just asked the last time you actually went outside" this is an insult

[kindred hill]

This is a very welcoming and kind thread.

I met my wife on here.

The true power of discord bringing people together

[leaden ledge]

of course you take it as an insult LMFAO. sounds like projecting in the finest. im a very literal person when i ask things and the fact you wont even answer it within a straight answer really just proves my point. stop complaining about trump stop complaining about biden stop making political takes when they make 0 sense and actively contribute to the misinformation that is constantly spread here. go to #controversial-archive if you actually want to debate stuff like this and keep the lgbt+ out of your messages if you dont even know the core message of what arch linxus stance is on it thx

[silent moon]

locked100plus1 received a thank you cookie!

[kindred hill]

I think you just thanked them with a cookie

[leaden ledge]

thats okay more people need cookies

[kindred hill]

so everyone is peaceful now, right

[tulip tiger]

Are your nerves worth this much?

[ornate scroll]

ok i have a bad itch. hay @kindred hill can i ask you a question? im not tring to be a troll i just want a genuine awnser.

[kindred hill]

Sup

[leaden ledge]

dear god bro

[ornate scroll]

if its not ok to tell the transgender community to kys why is it ok to tell a individual to kys? #1332789056068780083 message

[noble geode]

?

[kindred hill]

They're already banned

[leaden ledge]

i know pancake is also banned for a few days but we also remember what they said to me just because i expressed other views than them lol

[kindred hill]

They've been banned for pushing political violence

[tulip tiger]

Surprised by how little messages there are or surprised i didn't yap more?

[ornate scroll]

oooh the message wasnt deleted. ok my bad. thanks.

[kindred hill]

Yep! Anything else I can help ya with?

[leaden ledge]

whatever you say sweet touhou supporter <3 cant be mad at you for long

[cold pollen]

If you're just here to make fun of people for their message count and asking a question instead of being respectful and considerate you can right click the server logo and click leave server

[solid marten]

This is a very gotcha statement.
If you see something that breaks the rules, you should open a ticket and report it

.s tickets

[wet sinew]

To report issues privately to the moderation team, use tickets.

To open a ticket, use the command </tickets open:839848848003825673>. This will open a private channel where you can talk to the moderators.
You can add other users to the ticket by using the command </tickets adduser:839848848003825673> in that channel.

When you're done talking to the moderation team, use the command </tickets close:839848848003825673> in your ticket's channel. This will archive all the messages sent in the ticket and delete the channel.

[leaden ledge]

yeah no you are free to just leave yourself if you feel threatened by people posting x/twitter links. i think i will stay here tho thanks for reminding me the block function also exists if i ever feel uncomfortable by someone making valid points and correcting misinformed political takes 👍

[tulip tiger]

Thanks... i just think being mad at words is not healthy for ones mental and physical health

[silent moon]

You're thanking too much ó_ò

yvvettee received a thank you cookie!

[static notch]

i wrote it a few months ago

[ornate scroll]

yeah i coulda worded that nicer.

[noble geode]

ah

[tulip tiger]

Hi anna :)

[solid marten]

At least you didn’t make a video so you could instead play victim

[ornate scroll]

true

[white knot]

Well I voted on the poll.

[dark timber]

https://canary.discord.com/channels/399812551963049995/1336145582128889866

[kindred hill]

https://discord.com/channels/399812551963049995/1336145582128889866

I am fully supporting all the suggestions stated in @dark timber's thread as a way to reform our beloved community.

I would suggest others gather around to listen to her wise words.

To all our guests and not as frequent regulars, please make your voice heard in the thread I have posted. It's time to build a positive community through healthy reform.

[noble geode]

@kindred hill pin it

[digital birch]

Taking a political stance is the worse thing Arch Linux could do to itself.

[nova remnant]

do realise that we dont officially represent arch

[sinful aspen]

people really came here from luns video to troll?

[trail rampart]

At least saw a few get banned?

[sinful aspen]

i didnt even know who the guy was until his video was posted in this thread icl

i wonder if the other linux servers are just looking at us wondering what the hell is going on

[trail rampart]

Still don't, just saw Aristocat ban them due to reason along the lines of his name

[agile vortex]

you joined just to say that or?

[young kite]

HI GUYS

[digital birch]

Yes and I think its extremely important that people like you @Envy know!

[young kite]

I'm back again, lets talk about banning things. I think its wrong.

[trail rampart]

Let's not... we have exhausted nearly every possible topic and just go around in circles

[young kite]

oh yeah last night it went to dei, guns are neeed to kill health care ceos and should trans people play sports.

[agile vortex]

huh?

[trail rampart]

And none of it was about civil discussion of why Twitter should be banned (or not). I think enough was said and now we will just need to wait for mods' decision.

[upper flint]

literally just watched the lunduke videos (masochism) and i am here just to vote in favor of banning twitter :3

[kindred hill]

Due to mass trolls, we are pausing all server invites to this server for a set period of time.

https://discord.com/channels/399812551963049995/1336145582128889866 is for server reform discussion.

Please keep Twitter discussion I'm here.

[proper bridge]

This ain't arch linux, this is an unuffiliated support server, and have you looked at the icon? lol

[young kite]

man, I feel like cutting off invites keeps people from voting.. but if you only want votes from people in the community already.. before the poll creation I guess that makes sense..

[wicked fulcrum]

i think it's set-in-stone already

[proper bridge]

it's already been at 62-63% yay for a while
it seems they've just been having issues with people joining just for this, and causing issues

[wicked fulcrum]

it doesn't give the best optics regardless of if it's official or not, + i don't think this is purely a support server

[proper bridge]

this isn't just a support server, but it's what the relationship with arch tends to be in here, outside of the support server aspect it's also a server for techy people to hang out and a safe spot for people. :3
(and #controversial-archive for that lol)

[digital birch]

Nothing wrong with a rainbow flag and pronouns. I'm all for live and let live.

[young kite]

I mean, you cant pretend its not political though.

[proper bridge]

yeah, sadly people exist is "political" which really sucks for us :P

[digital birch]

But mixing linux with politics isnt the way.

[young kite]

I agree with you, to be clear. But You dont do this for all the other people that exist.

[proper bridge]

you are aware FOSS is inherently political, right?
(and a lot of FOSS comunities are heavly lgbtq+ :3)
Not 100% sure how FOSS/tech is so lgbtq+ though

[young kite]

It does not have to be, but yeah. It is. Programing socks meme became real.

[noble geode]

gay

[proper bridge]

And anyhow, the ban is gonna eventually come given where that platform is heading, it's just a matter of when :P

[young kite]

I mean, I think 40 percent 60... might not be worth the ban.. but hey thats just me.

[proper bridge]

it was a vote, clearly the moderators were already talking about it, and this was being worked on, a simple majority is likely enough here lol

[noble geode]

tech is gay since autism tech is very much something you can hyper fixate on and autism has a big overlap with the LGBTQ+ community yea

[young kite]

I'm pretty autistic.. Thats prob why I'm here. NGL.

[noble geode]

real

[proper bridge]

Yeah, though it feels like it's higher than the explination would find, that'd be like saying furries are lgbtq+ bc of similar explinations (though it certainly is probally a reason)
Personally I suspect due to lgbtq+ not being treatest the nicest irl, this makes them more likely to want to do techy things as it doesn't involve other people, and you can find nice communities online, and the effect of accepting people are there, so it's nice to go there

[white knot]

Some of the Arch devs (trusted users) are furries and LGBTQ+ here.

[proper bridge]

Ye, lgbtq+ people are very much in the FOSS space :3
(including myself :3)

[young kite]

I'm straight.

[white knot]

Good for you.

[proper bridge]

That's fine, just a lot of FOSS devs are not, I know at least 3 projects headed by enbies, four if I count my own :3

[noble geode]

:3

[young kite]

whats an enbie

[white knot]

I pray that everyone in this discord finds a partner in their life like I did.

[proper bridge]

shortening of non-binary, though singular is enby

[proper bridge]

I have :3
I have a nice bf @west quiver :3

[white knot]

Intersex people sometimes identify as nonbinary.

[west quiver]

Hey love!

[proper bridge]

Hi, just pinged ya bc of what I replied to (talking here is near impossiable due to the 1m slowmode)

[trail rampart]

or are happy with themselves if ace.

[upper flint]

i wish everyoune finds a partner (if they want a partner) :)

[noble geode]

i hope everyone here buys thigh highs

[white knot]

Kinda mandatory if the Canadian winter gets cold.

[upper flint]

i like in a pretty warm climate, can i too wear the thigh highs?

[trail rampart]

Last time I wore something akin to that is those stockings people wear during cold weather. No clue how its called in english.

[proper bridge]

I wish I had some

[wicked fulcrum]

well if the admins/owners/whoever are in favor of keeping it that way, then i guess there's obviously no changing it. i just find it to not be the best option. but whatever

[upper flint]

what the fuck, cute role??? :3

[proper bridge]

I think it's a decent idea, twitter has gone really down hill, and most anything you'd wanna link on that website are links of links, could just be a screenshot, or on other platforms by now

[cinder ether]

what in hecks heck

[white knot]

Yeah, that used to be a role that you request. As long you post cute cat images.

[upper flint]

and i just randomly got it, for being cute i presume

[wicked fulcrum]

well if you're saying that, might as well ban all social media links right? but i assume only twitter because musk is bad or smth

[proper bridge]

musk is a nazi lol

[cinder ether]

nobody should be killing anyone over stupid linux distros but whatever

[proper bridge]

(plus the platform is becoming more and more nazi-friendly over time, due to said nazi running it, and when nazis enter, normal people leaving causing the site to as a whole become more nazi, though I'd be up for banning meta as well)

[cinder ether]

While Elon technically isn't a Nazi, he certainly is a fascist and an opponent to democracy, as seen with his recent unlawful (and quite apalling) power grabs.

[proper bridge]

He's done the solute, does haulicast denial, agreed with someone who was explaining why hitler was right and has said that he has a "hitler problem" with some genetic thing

[cinder ether]

It's spelled Holocaust, and I said not a Nazi simply because he seems to see the German Reich as a "failed state" and I believe he supports Israel. But otherwise he has gone full far right dictator.

[wicked fulcrum]

ive seen the salute (pretty sure most have), but ive never seen anything else be claimed
(i wish there was no slowmode...)

[proper bridge]

He's a nazi, or at least so close to being a nazi that we might as well call him one :P

[worthy sable]

downvote surpassed upvote, didnt expect that but im happy

[noble geode]

gay

why won't discord load my fucking reactions

[cinder ether]

Why don't our labor unions do the same shit the labor unions in France do? They basically shut the country down over raising the retirement by 2 years, yet when a fascist starts usurping power in our country we just sit and complain on twitter.

[trail rampart]

Wrong place to check it. The actual vote is in #announcements

[proper bridge]

This ain't the poll it's still 62% in favor

[worthy sable]

o i forgotted

ratio is still better than when i last checked

[noble geode]

if 100 people wants one thing but 90 people really don't want it should you pick the one the 100 did or nah

[cinder ether]

The people need to actually mobilize, protest, block roads and infrastructure until the government bends to the will of the people

[worthy sable]

they can take our vxtwitter.com but they can never take our peepeepoopoodumdumtwitterx.org

[paper aspen]

yes... duh thats how democracy works

[proper bridge]

62% of the people who voted don't want to platform twitter, so that's likely is what's gonna happen (likely a tad bit higher due to people joining just to vote no)

[wicked fulcrum]

also i see this thrown around a lot, but i dont think something being inherently political should mean whatever surrounds it should be explicitly such

[proper bridge]

As we say in FOSS, if ya don't like it feel free to fork it :3

[paper aspen]

:D
this is the solution to all the current political discussion in this server. just leave if you dont like it and make your own server.

[cinder ether]

I kinda disagree in the sense that programmers come from all walks of life at this point. Especially FOSS ones. All of them having different opinions. For instance, Richard Stallman is a staunch atheist, whereas Thomas Bushnell, the programmer behind the Hurd krenel, is a Gregorian Friar. And that is just one example.

[proper bridge]

I meant FOSS itself is political, it'd be like saying right to repair isn't political as there are people from varrious background who support it

[cinder ether]

I see what you mean. My point still stands, though.

[wicked fulcrum]

maybe i should clarify: just because FOSS as a philosophy may be inherently political, doesn't mean that anything else surrounding it (the communities and projects that are related) should be explicitly political in anything other than what FOSS is.

obviously anyone has the right to reject those with different political views (if i own a server, i should be allowed to set the rules), but i find it a bit of a bad take when a community as big as this one decides to side one way or the other as it kinda leaves a bad taste in some people's mouths. FOSS may be political, but politics in general is nuanced

[cinder ether]

Hey guys is Bluesky a part of the fediverse? I preferred using mastodon cuz fediverse but Bluesky is more popular

[proper bridge]

no

[upper flint]

Bluesky is its own thing, though you can federate your account, there is this weird bridge thing around

[wicked fulcrum]

no but i'm pretty sure it's protocol is decentralized. just not bluesky itself

[proper bridge]

I'm just saying that being an apolitcal server doesn't make sense to say about a server about a politcal topic, and honestly, we're talking nazis, this isn't exactly in the realm of politics and just general "should we ban the website ran by a nazi"

[cinder ether]

I understand the desire to, though what about people that aren't far right larpers? like AOC?

[proper bridge]

there are other platforms they're on

And if not, a lot of places banning twitter links it gonna cause people to at least have somewhat of a presence on something that's not twitter. I don't think banning twitter is a matter of if, rather when, it's just getting worse over time, and right now with elon doing the solute fresh on everyones minds, it's a good time to do so

[wicked fulcrum]

being an apolitcal server doesn't make sense to say about a server about a politcal topic
i really don't see why not.

we're talking nazis
how is musk a nazi? i'm aware he did a salute, but afaik he doesn't hold enough beliefs to realistically be called "a nazi". the closest thing i can think of would be the AfD stuff that he supports

[static crystal]

I'm acee

Still appreciate the intent tho ❤️

[white knot]

Oh yeah.

[proper bridge]

He does a lot of nazi type stuff lol. Not just that. He's done the solute, the denying of the halocaust, and agreed with someone who was trying to explain why hitler was right

[storm willow]

AT Protocol is a decentralized protocol but it's not a Fediverse sort of protocol

[proper bridge]

I'd say more so that it's centerlized, but also not

[strange meadow]

if anything he's more of a staunch supporter of zionism which is just as bad

[wicked fulcrum]

salute: arguably yes
denying the holocaust: i can't find anything about this, except jokes he made
agreeing with someone's explanation of hitler being right: i can't find anything about this either

[wicked fulcrum]

my point

[proper bridge]

it's hard to find information on anything as he's done so much terriable stuff that the more recent terriable stuff overcasts the older terriable stuff

[strange meadow]

i'm honestly torn with these kinds of things

• by leaving the platform for another you helped create a stronger nazi/far-right/zionist bubble in x
• you yourself will live in a bubble in the other platform since the types who left are probably the same
• now two platforms help create two opposite extremists cause the bubble got stronger

[pulsar heart]

good
isolate the nazis

[proper bridge]

look, twitter is just gonna be 4chan, we don't need nor want nazis

[upper flint]

i like my gay bubble it's very comfy :3

[wicked fulcrum]

i guess. i'm pretty mixed on the whole israel/palestine thing but i think that's besides the point

[wicked fulcrum]

i agree with the info part (especially if its old) but i'm also not gonna just blindly believe something until i see it and can make my own thoughts on it yk

[proper bridge]

Also are we really gonna be worried that the nazis are gonna become more extreme? (also echo chambers with the break out of bullying people of oposing view points is already a thing on twitter and whatnot)

[strange meadow]

and i kinda hate it that ban x stuff is getting traction now
and not when musk shows signs of being a zionist

[upper flint]

wow, mutual friend, very cool

[wicked fulcrum]

yup indeed lol

[proper bridge]

since neither of us can find it, just look at all of the other nazi stuff he's done since that makes it clear that he's a nazi.

[wicked fulcrum]

like what?

[proper bridge]

Really, a lot of places should've banned twitter soon after elon took over, but the solute brought it into everyones minds, and that's gotten everyone to think about banning it. Also due to this being a linux server, we should also talk about banning meta

[sweet tulip]

I don't get the meta/linux link

[proper bridge]

@sweet tulip meta banned linux lol

[sweet tulip]

surely that's an accident lmao
why would they ban talking about linux

also I think those pics were for someone else

[upper flint]

they unbanned it on facebook i think

[sweet tulip]

I'll test it later, I'm sure that wouldn't have have been intentional

[proper bridge]

they said it was a cyber security threat and banned it

[strange meadow]

they (the policy commity on meta) have unbanned it tho
prob after some convincng from their linux sysadmins :v

[proper bridge]

lol

[sweet tulip]

Likely just clueless mods

[wicked fulcrum]

so mostly the three instances you brought up already in addition to the articles on overcoming past guilt and that lawsuit against Media Matters. i read the first article and i didn't see anything wrong with it (the headlines make it seem worse). the other article is something i have no clue about since ive used an adblocker for years, but i believe the suit still isnt over

[proper bridge]

look, at this point he's done so much nazi stuff, and when accused doesn't deny it, that you'd need to prove him to not be a nazi as he's just a nazi

[noble geode]

Not sure if I agree on the x/twitter ban as I feel it goes against the spirit of what we stand for.
There's a lot of people across the spectrum on x/twitter, and it feels like silencing one group just paints a bad light.

Isn't the whole point of Arch to be neutral yet customizable?
Which is why it's generally a-political?

Like, if a person is super rainbow 🏳️‍🌈 , awesome, they can customize it to be more rainbow than their wildest dreams, and the community is chill like that.
But unless someone is outright spouting hate/calls to violence, shouldn't it not matter if they're right winged?

I want left-wing people to be accepted as much as anyone else, but I'd hate for it to be done through exclusion when we pride ourselves on inclusion.

[ornate scroll]

supposedly its because twitter is only about hate, censorship, and elon who does and supports the same.

[wicked fulcrum]

well usually you're supposed to prove someone is something rather than not being something. nothing i see is making me think he is one. i think right-leaning is definitely arguable but nazi is a bit hyberbolic and i see it overused a lot

[proper bridge]

There's so much proof that he is at this point and you ask for yet more :P

[wicked fulcrum]

well idk what to tell you, it isn't getting anywhere

[kindred hill]

%quickban 677140481909587988 another Lunduke concern troll

[silent moon]

Invalid arguments.
%quickban <UserIDs>
<UserIDs> - User ID(s) or mention(s) to be banned.

[kindred hill]

%quickban 677140481909587988

[silent moon]

\PewPewPew!!
RIP @sudden bison

[proper bridge]

what happened?

[noble geode]

Not sure?

[white knot]

Well the mods would know what happened.

[noble geode]

I genuinely don't believe that Elon is a Nazi or even a sympathiser.
Right wing? Yeah, I can see that. But calling him a Nazi only discredits the word and makes accusations against genuine Nazi's lose their value.

[proper bridge]

It's just gotten to the point where the website is just being ran by a nazi and the website is going more and more down that way.
It's not really a matter of if and more of a when, and now seems like a fine time

[white knot]

I'd look up about his parents, if I was you....

[kindred hill]

A day zero account writing me a novel in DMs about moderation in this server and threatening to report the server to TOS. Basically, a garden troll.

[proper bridge]

did you just make an account for arguing about this server banning tiwtter

[noble geode]

You have me curious now

[pulsar heart]

so you dont know anything about the topic and youre commenting on it as if youre about to drop some grand information

[proper bridge]

it realls seems like you did lol

[noble geode]

I know I've faced racism and hate.
and I feel actions like this could divide us, so I worry about the outcomes

[proper bridge]

divide whom exactly

[noble geode]

I am not pretending to be an expert on anything, but I know a lot of people who are left, central and even right. And they don't wish harm against me or my kin.
Kicking them out only weakens us.

Divides us.
Linux community, Arch community, our friends from other groups.

There is true hate out there, I am not denying this, but scorching everything around us could do more damage in the long run and I worry about that.

[proper bridge]

we are talking about not platforming the website called twitter, we're not exactly excluding anyone.
other than maybe elon musk lol

[noble geode]

Deplatforming an entire social media network seems like exclusion.
I use bluesky more now, but I know plenty of Linux friends who still use twitter(refuse to call it x , elon can bite me on that lmao)

[proper bridge]

exclution of whom?

[noble geode]

Twitter users.
Anyone using twitter that doesn't want to change platform.

Despite the hype it's not the alt right platform people think it is.
And don't forget it was pretty far left until recently too.

Balance is key.
I don't like where it's at now, but having a pendulum isn't helpful to anyone.

Plenty of allies and friends still use twitter, and blocking that blocks them.

[proper bridge]

Far left? twitter? I don't think we're talking about the same platfrom. Are you a troll? lol

[noble geode]

They’re an obvious troll

[noble geode]

Prior to the buyout it kind of was. It wasn't healthy.

I'm not.
I am trying to offer a different perspective.
If I was trolling I'd be spewing hate.

[proper bridge]

Did you create this discord account just for discussing the twitter ban on this server? yes or no

[noble geode]

I’ve been reading this, they’ve been playing you. They’re just trying to fly under the radar so they don’t get banned outright. Common strategy with these types.

[proper bridge]

I've been pretty sure they were a troll for a bit now, due to the account being hours old, and all kinds of weird vagueness, I've kinda thought they were a troll this whole time, but their answers were so lack luster that it took so little to even respond lol. (4 hours old)

[coral nest]

the only issue with banning Twitter IMO is spread of information; however you can still potentially post the sources from whichever Twitter post youre trying to link as information

[noble geode]

My main account has been a member of here for a long time, and I was concerned about backlash.
You're kind of proving me right.

Can we go back to having a healthy respectful discussion please?

Just because I feel differently doesn't mean I'm trying to be malicious.

[proper bridge]

You created an account just for this, and you don't think this would cause issues? You know people have said a lot of not great stuff in here without getting banned, right?

[noble geode]

<@&399818870568779776>

[pulsar heart]

except no one fucking uses twitter to spread information lets be fucking realistic
if something is in the news theyll most likely just use a reputable source
if something happened with a celebrity they could just post a screenshot of what they said
no one really uses twitter for spreading information and if they do, they most likely have other avenues
theres usually another changelog, or a blog or something

[sweet tulip]

I thought twitter was big for tech news
maybe they've moved elsewhere now

[proper bridge]

or at least exclusively, often they're links to articals you could just link dirrectly

[noble geode]

Exactly why I was concerned.

I'm not some crazy alt right troll.
I'm genuienly trying to see the logic in the ban, and I knew it'd be controversial.

This user is using multiple accounts to circumvent bans.

[pulsar heart]

no not really, most big tech news even in foss just use their own changelogs or releases or blog services because its easier that way than to get people to read a tweet, even then who shares tweets

[proper bridge]

The reason why people think you're a troll is you made an account just for this, lol. what'd you expect?

[sweet tulip]

how do we know they were banned? they said they were a long time member, this slow mode sucks btw lol

[noble geode]

@seri Why are you trying to cause trouble?

I have never been banned, but emotions are high and I didn't want to risk it.
You're literally proving my concerns right.

[coral nest]

theres usually another changelog
yeah, i am in favor of the ban of twitter.
If something is in the news...
agreed
If something happened with a celebrity...
agreed
No one really uses twitter for spreading information...
I do sort of disagree with this, but even if you are using it that way/linking to a tweet using it that way... you can just link what they linked or send a related article

(ellipses because im on mobile and i dont want to retype everything)

[proper bridge]

People have said a lot of stuff in here without getting banned, as long as you stick to text, and don't dirrectly post something actually bad, you'd be fine

[sweet tulip]

that's what I thought, but they pinged the mods and claimed they were banned

[proper bridge]

Concerned about being called a troll then goes on to do something that's indicative of a troll and gets upset about being called a troll, this is such a shocker. you'd be better off getting on your main and saying who you are than trying to insist you're not a troll :P

[white knot]

If they were banned, it was very likely for a pretty good reason. Still bypassing bans can lead to a ban in itself and they should dm in order to appeal.

[plucky lagoon]

I support the link ban as retaliation towards musk's own ban on mastadon links and similar acts. I also understand why this move is unpopular, and am completely fine with the links not being banned as well

[noble geode]

Thank you.
Exactly my point.

I'm not risking my main, especially after it's clear that any opinion outside the norm gets you dogpiled

[silent moon]

mate.nix received a thank you cookie!

[proper bridge]

I thought you've been in this server for much longer, but it shows you've joined today, that's really weird

[kindred hill]

Why are you randomly in gentoo

[white knot]

It's because I left in fear of the discord being deleted/ban due to Nazi spam at one point.

[noble geode]

lunduke follower

[sweet tulip]

oof

[noble geode]

What's wrong with being in gentoo? I like gentoo

What's a lunduke?

[proper bridge]

You're doing stuff that makes it look like you've done something wrong, you can't say your actions are justified as people are questioning your actions.

[noble geode]

Understandably. :BlobhajSadReach150:

[proper bridge]

ah, that makes sense, and understandable, though sucks that that spam happened. Kinda proves the point that the site needs to be banned though lol

[noble geode]

That's a valid concern.
But it was my hope that with respectful discussion I could avoid being painted by that brush.
I apologize if you felt concerned about me being a troll.

[proper bridge]

Why did you even make this account

[wicked fulcrum]

i'm pretty sure they already explained that

[noble geode]

Why do you keep asking the same question when I've answered it already...

[proper bridge]

the reason doesn't make sense, people have said much worse things, and you've only said extreamly middle of the road stuff

[noble geode]

I've seen people get banned just for disagreeing.
And you're investigating me like I've commited a crime despite my best efforts to be respectful.
You're literally proving my point repeatedly on why I won't risk my main on here because I'm pretty active and I won't risk it.

[proper bridge]

You're acting like a troll, you can't keep acting like a troll and expect to not be called a troll, have you even used arch?

[noble geode]

How am I acting like a troll?
You're just being rude.

[jade ridge]

is this thread still on lol?

[storm willow]

unfortunately

[proper bridge]

You're using an alt account that's existed for 4 hours, and when people ask why you would need or want that you're saying that it's bc people would ask about why you did that.
Also if you use arch, what's your preferred AUR package manager

[sweet tulip]

so what's the problem if it's middle of the road stuff

[proper bridge]

That's my point, they've not said anything that would even come close to the limits of what the moderators have allowed in this thread.

[storm willow]

day zero alt, claims to be here because they dont wanna get banned for "controversial takes" or something like that, but all of the said takes are pretty lukewarm

[wicked fulcrum]

yes. these don't really go anywhere im afraid

[noble geode]

Because I was immediately copping flack prior to people checking the hours. I've seen plenty of middle of the road get booted.

And I'm being interrogated on if I even use arch which I'm not going to reward by answering.

People like Mathium and Seri are the exact reason I was afraid of speaking out.
Don't bully others just because they don't agree with you, then try gaslighting the narrative.

[coral nest]

i'm gonna be real this just looks like paranoia to me, i don't see why she'd admit she's an alt

[plucky lagoon]

Said like an Ubuntu user (the world slur I could think of) /j

[proper bridge]

I'm guessing you don't even use arch at all, I'm guessing you're just here to troll, I'd take what FileSys or bootload you use

[noble geode]

fat32 and the closed source ms-dos windows bootloader /j

[jagged pike]

Disagreeing with what?

[proper bridge]

I'm guessing via this joke you're likely an actual techy person, though it seems like ms-dos doesn't have a boot loader

[coral nest]

also this person joined the gentoo discord too
i dont think anyone but a techy person would know what a Gentoo is
I don't know why she'd even join it on an alt but uhh, yeah

[noble geode]

Fine.
If it'll bring you peace. I use btrfs for the raid benefits. GRUB ofc and I go for the default yay because it works.

I main debian and normally go with apt for that/

Happy?

[proper bridge]

They found an arch already

[jagged pike]

Based btrfs

[storm willow]

ive seen even techy people go "what's that?" to arch linux, most of the time when you mention linux you either get some old boomer response like "oh i really liked mandrake back in the day!" or "like, that ubuntu thingy?" so lol

[coral nest]

well yeah but if we're trying to argue that she aint techy and just a troll, she wouldve came here from Lunduke or something

[white knot]

Emmi right? I'm guessing that's you.

[sweet tulip]

I'd probably get banned for saying I use ext4 lol

[proper bridge]

I wasn't unhappy with the previous answer, while a joke, it did show you knew at least some techy stuff, and this doesn't add or subtract from my view of your using arch. Though yay isn't the default

[plucky lagoon]

Windows boot manager my behated ❤️

[wicked fulcrum]

i use crux linux w/ xfs, grub, and sysvinit...

[coral nest]

Is this a joke

[sweet tulip]

I put systemd in my gentoo install instead of openrc (serious)

[noble geode]

I've been burned googling things I don't know before and I'm scared to do it.

What is a lunduke????

[white knot]

You used to run transfem.social and doxxed an IP camera.

[proper bridge]

technically you don't actually need a boot loader, UEFI can just boot linux

[jagged pike]

I mainly used btrfs so I could do quick recovery, esp if I was hacking around with things, and using arch. Esp when I got deadlines, although it did make the set up more complex, cuz I also did partitioning and I think I also seperate my home partition, and did LUKS on it.

[wicked fulcrum]

deadass

[sweet tulip]

right wing youtuber that's recently made videos on the twitter ban going on here

[noble geode]

I like your penguin friend.

@mate.nix oh I see.
So was he being transphobic or?

[coral nest]

Crux is neat, I might actually give it a shot since I've heard its similar to freebsd in certain ways

[white knot]

If I'm wrong, I apologize. I know too many transfems who use Debian. Amelia.

[sweet tulip]

I am not sure I haven't watched the vids

[noble geode]

debian is called the lesbian os for a reason 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈
all my homies use debian

[wicked fulcrum]

yeah it's somewhat similar. both use a ports system and both use rc scripts

[coral nest]

neat

[white knot]

So I'm right then. Amelia

[noble geode]

Debian is the best distro tbf they make a good point

[noble geode]

I will never confirm or deny 😼

[sweet tulip]

debian is still my go to for servers if I'm not using nixos

[proper bridge]

debian has left twitter and the discord server has banned twitter links as well :3

[jagged pike]

Would you normally do Nixos for servers?

[noble geode]

Nixos is the 2nd best distro

[noble geode]

Trust me I know
I still don't agree with it, but I'm seeing the trend.

[sweet tulip]

yeah I think it makes a lot more sense on a server, than on a desktop
easy deployment, especially when coupled with CI

[proper bridge]

NixOS is cursed with what it does with the ramdisk :3

[jagged pike]

I haven't tried nix yet, Im prolly too lazy to at this point, although I do like the concept of a declarative system because I lose track of my system state, but like also I hear there are other pains with it. Idk maybe I'll try it in a VM

[noble geode]

Debian is fuckin gangster for sticking to to Twitter publicly the way they did, true stick to your values solid dev team there.

[sweet tulip]

I'd learn nix without nixos first, tbh
you can still benefit from dev environments and easy to run software (no dependency hassle) without worrying about the OS part

[noble geode]

Weren't Debian fiercely a-political till recently though?

[proper bridge]

elon being a nazi or so close to a nazi and twitter is going down hill fast, while it's not quite to the point where it has to be banned now, it is a matter of a when rather than if

[noble geode]

You’re missing out, do it on an external hard drive. The roll back to previous configs is amazing and convenient.

[jagged pike]

Tbf I feel like it's very hard to remain apolitical in america rn. The Overton window has been so severely skewed, that you have to jump through hoops and any attempt to seem artificially balanced would be giving into extremes

[proper bridge]

anti-nazism is a-political, though I don't think this is at all true though lol, there were people saying go woke go broke about debian a year or two back.

[noble geode]

This is what I was trying to ask earlier.
Is he actually a Nazi?
Dumbass? Yes sure.
Grifter? Absolutely.

But Nazi? Or even somewhat close to one? I can't say I see it.

[noble geode]

Debian a real one. AntiX too.

[proper bridge]

he's a fascist who has power in government who's shown agreement with nazi beliefs, he's a nazi with power :P

[sweet tulip]

neat, I haven't heard of the overton window until now

[jagged pike]

I wouldn't say Nazi, but I'd say fascistic for sure.

For Nazi I don't think he is one but he very clearly grifts on them and pushes and constantly reposts from neonazi accounts

[proper bridge]

a friend of a nazi is also a nazi, this is how it goes, plus he talks like a nazi, walks like a nazi, so it's reasonable to say he's a nazi

[sweet tulip]

ok I'll bite, what is a nazi to you

[white knot]

Elon's mother was formerly a member of the Canadian Nazi Party. That's according to Elon's dad.

[noble geode]

THANK YOU. People that aren’t Nazis don’t associate with or accept Nazis.

[silent moon]

Mathium05 (they/them) received a thank you cookie!

[proper bridge]

someone who aligns themselves with nazi ideals

[noble geode]

Maybe it's my spectrum talking here, but I'm really pedantic about labeling and words.

Nazi is derived from National Socialist right? And Fascism was the Italian word given to a political movement being hyper pro-government.

He always came across as more Corporate Capitalist (which is also evil, but not the same).

If the ban was over corporate overreach, I'd 100% agree on the ban because of what we stand for as a FOSS community.

[sweet tulip]

there's a Canadian nazi party??

[white knot]

I think he always held the same point of view. I don't think Elon was ever radicalized. To suggest that he was doesn't add up with what the people around him know.

[proper bridge]

hitler was not a socialist, at all. It's like the poem goes, first they came for the socialists

[sweet tulip]

honestly I thought it was just antisemite so I don't know what 'nazi ideals' are

[plucky lagoon]

Market fundamentalist, which promotes disinformation campaigns that promote ideologies and concepts against minority groups, big example being project 2025, which according to scraped metadata on some executive orders have been the ones drafting executive orders currently being made, including trans erasure ones

[noble geode]

Isn't he pro-Israel?
He's friends with the President right?(Not naming him incase it upsets people) He's a big supporter of Israel.

Wouldn't that also be against Nazisim?

[sweet tulip]

that's why I was confused too, I don't know what nazi means anymore

[proper bridge]

generally it refers to a brand of eugenics paired with being antisemitic, or the varrious other groups hitler was very against

[white knot]

In the United States, that's impossible to do. Hating Jews. He switched the target to trans people.

[noble geode]

Elon backdoored federal computers and outright stole data from federal employees which. If you’re curious about what the definition of a Nazi is you should check Google but also be sure to look up Neo-Nazi, Elon and several of these other oligarchs display many characteristics and behaviors and beliefs that align with these definitions.

[jagged pike]

Despite calling itself National Socialism, because it sort of spawned by coopting some workers movements, that doesn't actually reflect its policies. They persecuted socialists and communists.

It's like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, (north), those 3 words in its names don't actually mean it is those things

[sweet tulip]

it all just links me to the wikipedia page that talks about german history
oh I haven't looked up 'neo-nazi' though! I'll look into that

[proper bridge]

eugenics and fascism is generally enough to start calling someone a nazi

[noble geode]

I see what you mean.

And yeah, I check Nazi stuff on Elon but it's mostly opinion pieces or social media memes.
I need something a bit more solid than sayso.

When does Elon promote eugenics and fascism? that's what I want to know?

Am I missing something? Besides the wave meme

Also, being pro Israel is not a great indicator of whether someone isn’t or is antisemetic.

[jagged pike]

Also, Elon is effectively leveraging the gov heavily now, he gets funding from the gov, he literally works for the gov, despite the anti gov rheotric, he is still weaponizing the gov.

[proper bridge]

You think elon isn't for fascism? While paying people to vote for the fascist?

[wind granite]

Since this thread is never going to become on topic again, I could use a definition for Nazi, and fascism. I've been trying to get by on a fuzzy understanding and it's not working so well for me now.

[sweet tulip]

does being friends with a communist make me a communist

[proper bridge]

Tell me in what world a person who's not a nazi is friends with a nazi and knows that that person is a nazi.

[white knot]

If Elon was full blown Nazi, he wouldn't go around openly saying that. He isn't going to latch onto Jews because that's politically risky in the USA. He's going to pick a different target.

[plucky lagoon]

I imagine Elons social ideology would mostly be rooted in their pro-aparteit upbringing, though tbh the divorce with Grimes probably played a role lol

[noble geode]

Comrade. Yes. /s

If being friends with the President makes him a Nazi, that makes no sense.
The president is extremely pro-israel, as seen by how hard he is on the Palestine protesters.

How can you be a Nazi and against Israel?

[proper bridge]

no, as being a communist doesn't have a stigma so strong that most non-comunists wouldn't feel bad for you if you died.

[plucky lagoon]

There was once a person in an extermination camp who over time befriended an SS soldier and that soldier helped him escape near the end of the war, but that feels different

[white knot]

Because it's not politically viable to say that you are or to act fully as one. He's getting away with the salute because he knows media won't bat an eye. Elon was able to get away with tweeting dark enlivenment content.

[sweet tulip]

a friend of mine is pro life and I'm pro choice

[proper bridge]

The annoying orange is gonna be an infamous one, I don't know if he exactly would qualify as a nazi, but he shares a lot of ideals and whatnot with nazism :3

[trail pilot]

Bro did a nazi salute and u still don't see it?

[proper bridge]

imagine if a thing had a stigma so bad that people can make games about killing that one group of people without anyone feeling bad, and everyone knowing that they're the bad guys always and people would not feel bad about them dying, then being friends with someone within this group, you're gonna be a part of the group lol

[white knot]

Elon's version of Nazism isn't going to target Jews. It's going to be trans people. He's creating his American version of it.

[noble geode]

I see what you mean.

The salute was...something.
I can get excited and jump around. So I sort of believe the explanation it was him being overly excited. that being said, I don't fully believe it.
im 50/50

[proper bridge]

german nazism also targetted lgbtq+ people, I don't think it'll stop there, where exactly it will stop, who exactly knows, probally when he looses the power to do so

[white knot]

Think for a moment why he won't say anything hateful towards Jews right now? it will weaken his ideology in the United States.

[trail pilot]

Go and do it outside if u think it is. Let me know how it goes.
Nothing excuses it, and if u do it you are blind. "Overly excited" for what? His own little nazi power fantasy?

[noble geode]

He beat his chest and saluted with charismatic intent, twice. I’m very autistic and silly when excited to but I don’t Nazi salute

Now this, I'm on the same page.
I don't like the targetting towards communities like lgbt+ And I especially don't like the presidential decree that I don't exist

[jagged pike]

How would you define facism?

Because I think the sort of support of authoritarian control and the blatant disrespect for our constitution would constitute it.

Trump literally attempted a coup, in 2020 he had a false slate of electors forge certificates of ascertainment and told Pence to choose the fake slate that chose him instead of the real one. Pence refused thankfully, even if he's a Republican he actually gives enough of a shit to not disrespect the constitution like that, but all this whilst Trump drummed up false and often times disproven conspiracies (see the Fox Dominik law suit where they pushed the conspiracy even though they already KNEW it was false) of Dems rigging ballot boxes when he attempted fraud on a far greater scale.

This ought to exempt him from office according to the 14th ammendment, even by the assesment of conservative judges.

He also stacked the SCOTUS with members who gave him absolute criminal immunity for official acts in Trump v USA 2024, which he used as a defence later to defend his attempted coup.

I can go on about Trump and his continuous violations, but Elon supports him through all this, and has violated things such as the FARA act when communicating with foreign adversaries, often pushes and promotes their interests and goals artificially, and has been hypocritical with X, using it to influence elections to a far greater degree than his accusations in the twitter files.

As of now he is carrying out actions he does not have the authority to carry out, DOGE cannot even be a legit department because a department has to be created by Congress, it's an office, but it's been overstepping it's boundaries, and they both continue to shred apart the checks and balances in the system.

So I'd consider that to be fascistic. I can provide sources for particular claims or expand on shit if you'd like

[silent moon]

fossboss_50978 received a thank you cookie!

[proper bridge]

Then he'd say so afterwards instead of making nazi themed puns, like at least saying sorry, or that he didn't mean it or like anything, he did it twice, do you know anyone who does a nazi solute twice when they are "overly excited"

[wicked fulcrum]

lol

[silent moon]

[noble geode]

He posted a sarcastic Nazi pun tweet to continue the dog whistle and embolden neonazi groups (which showed up marching the next day iirc)

[white knot]

He's emulating the Nazis sure. But he isn't going to openly state that the jews are the problem. He's going to state trans people are the problem instead. It's more politically advantageous to feed into the culture war that way.

[proper bridge]

that's my point lol

[sweet tulip]

this is a valid point, if someone on his team afterwards said "it really looked like a nazi salute.."
I would've immediately appologised for any misunderstanding

[wind granite]

You're trying to take this out of context and that's confusing things. I don't believe anyone here believe that mere association with a person makes you guilty of everything they've done. This rule is because of bigotry. If you tolerate bigotry, you're also a bigot. I can speak to a Nazi, possibly try to educate them, but I'm not their friend while I do that. An enemy showing some compassion, I guess. We also have this rule because if you're living in a white country, you live in a Nazi country. The US, Canada, many European countries.

[noble geode]

What dog whistle was it?
Those kind of things sort of go over my head admittedly so I need help identifying them :/

[storm willow]

one of the very first things the german nazi party did was burn the books, research, and papers and drafts of paper at the Institute of Sex Research, literally the first book burning they did was there.

[proper bridge]

the nazis didn't start with the jews, he's gonna scapegoat whoever he can to maintain power, it doesn't really matter who it is, it's a scapegoat to him.

[jagged pike]

Wait, the Nazis themselves proabbly would have been okay with an Israel because initially they wanted to deport all the Jews.

Being pro Israel doesn't exclude someone from being a Nazi.

But also to be clear idk if I'd push forward the assertion that Elon is antisemitic myself

[noble geode]

I see your logic on this actually.
It's like how he said people like me don't exist with the whole gender thing.

I didn't exactly fade out like a thanos snap, but apparently I don't exist lol

[sweet tulip]

okay I agree and understand with all your points but "if you're living in a white country, you live in a Nazi country." this is news to me

[proper bridge]

this is my point exactly lol

[noble geode]

The idea is to dissolve support for trans people while dehumanizing them, that way eliminating them is seen as “normal”

[plucky lagoon]

They even removed T in government sites mentioning lgbt

[jagged pike]

If it was the act alone okay, w/e. But it's just really really really weird, considering what he constantly tweets

[sweet tulip]

I mean there may be a large number of racists but I don't think the majority wants to eradicate anyone ??

[white knot]

He isn't going to target Jews. Not when it will lose votes.

[proper bridge]

it was tq+ but yeah

[trail pilot]

Also even if u see it as "not a nazi salute" he should've at the very least, apologized.
Dogwhistles and shit like this just make neo nazis, boneheads, and fascists feel like they are "so back" as they have tweeted.
Imo, there's no "middle ground" for this idea, you either understand that what he did is a salute, and nothing justifies doing it, SPECIALLY, the consequences that someone of his ilk can cause when doing so.
Or, you can play dumb and try to justify it, denial will not make it less truth, just makes u an accomplice of this idea.

[noble geode]

You are wrong, I’ve grown up in the south and white supremecists here specifically seek to eliminate people.

[sweet tulip]

in america?

[wicked fulcrum]

you're living in a white country, you live in a Nazi country
💀

[wind granite]

The majority is friends with Nazis.

[noble geode]

You're right.
It looked bad, and he should have acknowledged that.

What south are we talking about here Seri?
Don't dox yourself ofc

[proper bridge]

At some point votes don't matter, I'm not saying he's gonna necisarly go after jews, but that he's not stopping with trans people, he's a nazi, he'll advocate for whoever loosing their rights and being a scapegoat as long as he gets to have power

[noble geode]

Australia also has a major Nazi problem, this isn’t exclusive to the Americas. There are Neo Nazi groups in most countries.

[jagged pike]

Wait holup

[trail pilot]

They do. Lmao. Some just don't say it out loud because.

[noble geode]

This I don't agree with.
Australia is really left wing.
I live here, I'd know.

[proper bridge]

In the USA torture camps for lgbtq+ are still legal, which really sucks :P

[white knot]

When the time comes he'll send them to Israel.

[sweet tulip]

australia is called "the multicultural country", I'm sure there are nazis but I wouldn't say 'its a nazi country' 💀

[noble geode]

South enough to be in magaville where there are trump flags everywhere and literal neonazis, lots of anti-lgbt crowds and state discrimination of minorities.

[jagged pike]

"if you live in a white country you live in a Nazi country. The US, Canada, many Euro countries"

This is a wild thing to say. Could you elaborate on this, and have you lived outside of a white country?

[proper bridge]

lol, that sounds like something he'd do, "you know... they're not true amaricans... lets send them back to their home land... we're really going to help them"

[noble geode]

https://humanrights.gov.au/about/news/media-releases/race-discrimination-commissioner-condemns-neo-nazi-rally-adelaide I keep seeing these Neo Nazi groups in rally’s in Australia. Could have fooled me.

[sweet tulip]

infact I just learned the 2021 census says more than 50% of australia was born overseas

also that link above is news to me 😮

[wicked fulcrum]

how south are we actually talking? because i have not seen a single neo-nazi in my life here in person

[noble geode]

You get like 20 people that cause a racket and then they get slammed hard.
The reason it appears on the news is because the Government / media slams them.
They get exposed.

Kinda looks bad on optics I guess? but if you're local you'd know it isn't that way.
It's that it gets taken seriously.

[sweet tulip]

no the entire country is a nazi country ok
not like the vast majority of sydney isn't white

[plucky lagoon]

They are astroturf events. Very small number of people

[wind granite]

It's best you ask someone else. I'm not good at explaining things. And I don't have the energy. While I'm convinced of it based on my experiences, I don't know how to explain.

[plucky lagoon]

I do DVC in regional Australia. Phone by phone, door by door, I would say 10% of Australians have a noticeably racist attitude, with only 1-2% open about it

[noble geode]

Disney Vacation Club?

[plucky lagoon]

And that's in a part of the country that historically had the lowest percentage of supporters for giving indigenous Australians human status

[proper bridge]

Time for me to sleep

[plucky lagoon]

Direct Voter Contact

[sweet tulip]

I think you mean the majority, it's a nazi country btw /s

[noble geode]

Gold

[noble geode]

For greens?
That'd get you abused in regional for sure :/

[sweet tulip]

I'm sorry, but calling the entire Australian country a 'nazi country' has just blown it too far

[plucky lagoon]

No not for the greens. For Labor. The greens don't have the infrastructure to do DVC

[jagged pike]

I mean you don't HAVE to engage, but if you are making the claim I assume you have a unique set of reasons for it, I'm sure someone else can give their own reasoning, but that could be very different from your own.

Again, you are under no obligation to have to engage, I understand that such a loaded statement would take an absurd amount of energy to unpack, but it is HYPER loaded and I mean unless someone does provide sufficient reasoning, you should probably expect that no one is going to be convinced by it.

I do think there is a rising problem if groups in these countries, but also that's why I'm asking if you've lived outside any of these countries, because that type of issue exists everywhere, and proabbly to an even greater degree. America is def taking a fucking nose dive rn, but the best QoL and most accepting places in the world literally are these countries.

[wind granite]

The most I can do is tell you to look up things like how the Nazis in Germany designed their apartheid system after Jim Crow South in America. How America absorbed many Nazi scientists after world war II. That white countries cultural ideology is white supremacy and that is a Nazi ideology: That There's a specific race which should be in power and have the ability to dominate all other races because they're Superior.

But that's incomplete and I'm the wrong person to explain. I don't have a firm grasp on these things and I am not a teacher.

[plucky lagoon]

The greens excel at internet campaigns and issue promotion. DVC is an exercise of figuring out what issues people care about

[sweet tulip]

at this point I'll vote for whoever can lower the housing rates, it's out of hand
inflation is out of control

[noble geode]

Can't afford to live.
Good start I guess?

Lost my job a while ago because the small company I used to work for couldn't afford the land tax under a new zoning regulation brought in by labor.
Company went under.

Labor has burned me a bit ngl.

[plucky lagoon]

Fee free TAFE combined with multiple social housing initiatives and cost of living relief is our current strategy. Fee Free TAFE is by far the biggest long term way of reducing issues with housing supply. Also focusing immigration to be skill based was another one

[noble geode]

The Tafe initiative backfired hard. Most of the certs were useless.

And the skill based immigration drive was wrongly placed.
A lot of it is bringing in people to fill tech roles, when we have one of the biggest shortages of tech jobs the nation has ever seen.

I was a sysadmin till recently and it's incredible.
near to a thousand applicants per job.

I don't know why labor keeps saying we have a skill shortage when we have a job shortage.

[jagged pike]

Yea america has done really fucked up shit in the past. And considering the direction, things are super fucked.

But it feels weird to just say every "white" country is inherently a Nazi one. And even ceding them to call them "white" countries. Now I'm not saying it being worse elsewhere justifies it in america, but like holy shit Americans take their shit for granted, go to the middle east and it's HYPER stratified in some countries based off your actual tribal affiliation, and race. India? They have the caste system deeply entrenched into their culture, although they've been getting better, but the colorism, racism and actual systemic barriers there are off the charts. Even if what we might consider a first world country that's highly advanced like Japan, or China which has had massive improvements, are extremely xenophobic

[sweet tulip]

yeah I did 1 or 2 of them while discounted, I think it's a good idea

[wind granite]

I'm sorry, is your point that because non-white countries have their own crimes that white countries don't?

[jagged pike]

Like it's more so that the world and humans just have a tribal problem, and I don't think that the countries you consider to be "white" are exempt from that, but Europe and North America are also held to higher standards (and I mean I live here so fuck yea we ought to have high standards), and absolutely there has been a rise in white supremacy and Nazi like groups and right wing shit, and have even historically committed and we should absolutely address these,

[sweet tulip]

but the vocal minority, doesn't make it a 'nazi country'

[jagged pike]

Nope, not at all what I said and I literally even hedged against this exact thing, hoping you'd take me in good faith. My point is it feels weird to just identify countries generically by being "white" and then say they not only have a Nazi problem rising, or something like that, but that they are inherently Nazi countries. That if you are in a white country, then you ARE in a Nazi country. I think that's an absurd reduction and framing

[plucky lagoon]

The fee free TAFE courses are focussed entirely on courses needed to get a high demand job, including the course I did to get into social work. They are also combining this with support services to ensure a course leads to a job. On top of that, attempts to ensure there is an apprentice for every master was one thing I heard them doing.
I'm not too familiar with the specifics of the IT market and what exact IT jobs they are trying to bring in, but I know medical professionals and engineers are a big focus for skill based immigration. And that policy is running as opposed to an immigration policy that was not based on any in demand skills, which is objectively worse.
I absolutely do not see a job shortage, but that might be because I live in regional areas. There is an absolute shortage of community service workers and medical workers, and those in the trades as well

[sweet tulip]

when I looked there were very few IT related ones available, I assumed they were after specific fields that needed more people

[plucky lagoon]

The fee free TAFE courses are pretty focussed. I haven't looked hard at what IT ones are offered, but for example specific trades courses are fee free while others which aren't in high demand are not

[noble geode]

IT Field is insanely over saturated.
And I'm competing against a lot of workers visas.

Might be worth considering that most working class people I know are considering reluctantly voting Liberal.
Not because they like it, but because they're so upset at how little Labor listen to them that they see no alternative.

[sweet tulip]

yea my fiance is a dental assistant and she says they're severely understaffed
everyone is trying to steal workers from each other lol

[plucky lagoon]

I think programmers or smth. Not sure tbh. I assumed computer teachers or smth was in high demand but I really haven't looked

[wind granite]

I don't know what you mean by tribal problem. And id be careful saying that if I were you because there are plenty of societies with tribes which have never enacted oppression systems like those seen in white countries. It's absurd for you to try to blame literal features of white supremacy on tribes, which I don't see in white societies.

[plucky lagoon]

I am on the phone hours a day listening to people on behalf of Labor. What else do you want me to do? No one actually comes to us to talk with us about their issues

I hate this world where people make absolutely no effort to be part of the political establishment and then they get mad when mass media owned by big corporations tell them all the issues they are having is the fault of the one institution trying to listen in on their issues

The liberals are the one that fucked NBN, they are the reason there were in real terms, less tradies in 2020 versus 2013

[noble geode]

Not you specifically lol.
Just, food for thought I guess?

And I've written letters to MPs and other politicians, I HAVE tried to be part of the establishment, and I don't even get a response.

[wind granite]

There are lots of vocal minorities in America for instance. Have you ever asked yourself why Nazis tend to get their way? Nazis have never had to make the kinda of sacrifices marginalized people have to make in order to exercise power. You should ask yourself why you think that is.

[plucky lagoon]

Do you want to be part of it now? Message me your enquiry and your electorate I will try get you a response

[sweet tulip]

"Have you ever asked yourself why Nazis tend to get their way?" no, I didn't think they did, most people hate nazis
then again, I still haven't seen what america is like

[noble geode]

I don't have a relevant one at the moment. But I'll dm you when I do.
Thank you.

[silent moon]

Loomhigh received a thank you cookie!

[wind granite]

Most people really don't. Most people encounter someone like myself and say jeez I think I understand the Nazi pov now, you're insufferable lol. Most people don't have the education to even understand what makes someone a Nazi.

[jagged pike]

What do you believe is inherent and unique about whiteness that manifests such atrocities?

And tribalism ismt unique to tribal societies, it's deeply rooted in humans, all humans have tribal tendencies.

When I talk about certain tribal societies, like in the middle east, this goes a bit more literal and your tribal affiliation and the startification of tribal rankings is far stronger.

Sure you maybe have tribal societies which haven't enacted the extent and degree of things certain white countries have done, although it seems that societies commit what ever atrocities are in their power to commit. I mean this doesn't always happen, and I'm saying we have to fight against these sorts of things, but It seems really weird to be essentialist and just suggest that a country being white lends itself to Nazism, or to classify some of these as white countries

[sweet tulip]

all I know is being outwardly racist in AU is pretty rare and frowned upon, I haven't seen the things you see I guess

[plucky lagoon]

Please do. I want to turn the LUGS into advocacy groups so that our voice has institutional weight

[rancid mantle]

I've had several people not believe me when I tell them this.

[sweet tulip]

maybe america is just more racist lol

[jagged pike]

"Nazis" def are getting their way in america rn

[plucky lagoon]

Disinformation campaigns want to promote and spread these protests so there is more discussion about it and thus more spread of the ideology
It's astroturfing

[sweet tulip]

eg I've maybe heard 1 person genuinely say the n word irl (that wasn't just a teenager being an idiot, even that's extremely rare)

[noble geode]

Didn't help that they do have people that smash things.

Had some stop oil protestors go down our road of my old workplace and slash all the tires.
Wasn't a fun day

[jagged pike]

Lmao hold on did they do that to you? You are projecting a view on to them that I may be missing them saying?

[wind granite]

That it was built to manifest such atrocities. Whiteness isn't something that's been around forever, it's not something that was in Europe for ages. Whiteness was constructed to unify Europeans against people here in America. To explain away atrocities saying it's ok bc whites are racially Superior. The majority of the history of this country has been genocide of the Native Americans (still ongoing), constantly justifying racism with stuff like eugenics and race science. Do you think those were just boo boos? That there's a white identity without these things?

[sweet tulip]

constructed?

[noble geode]

i didn't think these "incels" were on twitter in the first place

[wind granite]

Read about whiteness and white supremacy. There's no mention of whites or a white race in European literature before the 17th century iirc.

[noble geode]

most of twitter accounts are bot accounts, and the algorithm is likely not planning on feeding anything besides ragebait for a long time

don't get me wrong, twitter cultivates hate for sure, its just most of it is artificially created yet has real world influence

[wind granite]

Anyone anywhere who's marginalized and has some political education has faced this. It's common.

And that's not projection. I see it happen all the time. Most people really don't hate Nazis anywhere near as much as they like to think. They say they hate Nazis, but they don't hate oppression.

[jagged pike]

I think racial identities in general are a fucking weird thing. If someone is actively pushing for a sense of white identity to be characteristic of the country, sure, and yes this has happened, and is still happening.

So if someone is pushing the idea that it IS a white country for whites, then yea no shit it comes with that baggage.

I'm not saying these are just booboos. I called them atrocities and condemned them, but like, what is your proposed course of action? What the hope or goal, what do you believe fundementally needs to change to prevent this?

[jagged pike]

Yes I agree, it happens, but I'm asking if you seem to be implying that's what's happening here or of the other person was implying that they emphasize with the Nazi POV in light of having met you?

[wind granite]

I'm telling you the belief that most people hate Nazis is false. Most people only say that they hate Nazis.

As for your other question, I don't feel comfortable discussing any kind of end goal on discord. I don't have a proposal either, and I don't need to have a proposal just point out what projects like America are and how they came about.

As for your question about boo boos, I didn't bring that up to say you thought atrocities aren't bad. I brought it up this is just you think those atrocities weren't the literal purpose of a country like America. This country was literally founded through genocide, from the very beginning the point of this project has been to dehumanize, murder, and Rob people. And white supremacy is the ideology that the colonizers who came here used to justify all that. To justify extreme murder and all the theft and then to continue living here after all that time.

Anyway, I only came here to see if anyone had sources they wanted to share to help me better understand Nazism and fascism. As I've said before, I'm no teacher and it's irresponsible for me to speak at length about histories which aren't mine when I don't have a good grasp on them. I'm sure I've left important things out.

[agile mist]

I mean i also really like wayland but isnt banning x a bit too excessive (get it because xorg)

[plucky lagoon]

the REAL reason we are banning x

[plucky lagoon]

Here. Includes some methods of countering and preventing the spread of disinformation campaigns, a major source of radical right wing extremism, including nazism

[jagged pike]

Alright so I don't think I made the claim that most people hate Nazis, I think that's an absurdly complex question and would also be reductive, similar to your own reduction.

It's evident that while people will give the virtue of nominally saying they dislike Nazis, there is an obvious complacency in the actions of people, and far more people who are willing to justify each meme within facism, but dislike the label. But bring up point by point and they actually agree with it, as evidenced by those defending the actions of Trump or Elon. Or even when they may disable the actions, it too can be nominal when it's inconsistent with their actual actions, and voting .

And sure you may feel uncomfortable about being up end goals, but I'm gonna try to guess that you believe that there is some sort of systemic issue, and that these systemic issues ought to be solved.

But I mean we sort of hit a wall of we can't discuss behind that.

What would need to change about all of these countries that you identify to make them not Nazi?

What is the quintessentially Nazi properties of these countries?

What do you mean the purpose of the country was to do that? It doesn't seem like a very productive purpose, I think it makes more sense to see that those goals were more so auxillary goals, that they didn't care for the collatoral, it's not like the founding fathers all came together and were like " hmhhhhh don't you just want to sniff in the fumes of suffering coloured people? Yea let's intentionally design a machine to maximize that so we can just get high off that shit",

That doesn't mean it wasn't still fucking horrible or that in effect the nation, WAS founded on genocide.

What do you mean continue living here? As in their Descendents? Do you expect Descendents to get up and leave? Sure I can agree that the Descendents still experience benefits off of the historic injustices, and much of the inequality we see today is a direct inheritance of the conditions and events of the past, but it would feel to me more productive to see people as individuals and to help out marginalized people but strive for an actual equal society. This could involve redistributions, esp as much of socioeconomic status is predicted by parental socioeconomic status, but I don't think of it as some sort of "pay back" or "owing" so much as every individual human born on some soil ought to have rights and that we should work towards ensuring everyone has those

[wind granite]

I'm not reading all that

[jagged pike]

There is a trilogy on Nazi Germany by Richard J Evans, I plan on getting it soon, so that might be beneficial.

[wind granite]

Also, I'll be leaving this thread again. Or attempting to. so don't expect me to reply to pings.

[jagged pike]

Fair enough, I'm a wee bit verbose, but lmao okay

[jagged pike]

Now I see how you feel when people don't read your docs you send 😭

But also mine is just a short paragraph which ought to prolly be expected on a topic like this

[wicked fulcrum]

white countries = nazi countries is a new one ill admit

[agile mist]

I agree with the decision to ban X
Ban wayland too while we're at it plain tty is superior

[grizzled pine]

for real

[grizzled pine]

lmao

[golden acorn]

wow this place is still active

[grizzled pine]

https://www.x.org

(am i getting banned for linking X? /j)

[mint sandal]

bluesky creates its own "ecosystem" where applications are being built on atproto instead of activitypub

[golden acorn]

nobody uses X

[grizzled pine]

i use X sometimes cuz sometimes fullscreen on wayland starts to look weird

meanwhile hyprland: (im about to end this man's whole career)

[golden acorn]

xcancel >>>

[grizzled pine]

Sovial media for some reason advantages some political figures. Here in romania TikTok allowed spam with political ads for a fascist that's pro-russia. And he fucking reached the round 2 of the elections before being canceled.

damn, i don't have sources. But maybe my family complaining about dozens of the same videos in a row all political ads. (Glad i never used tiktok nor twitter)

tiktok is fucked up. Meta (Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp) too

[wind granite]

Do you know of anything smaller? I'm looking for something like a introduction. Defintions of Nazism, fascism, how they're related. What makes an ideology Nazi. All my knowledge is loose stuff I picked up off social media. Hoping for an article or two to help me piece it all together better. Also I have a very limited ability to read. So I see the 180MB attachment and I'm like yikes.

[grizzled pine]

“We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like ‘weird,’”

meta guidelines

[solid marten]

"it's the gays who have a mental illness, but remember, they're not allowed to say it back to those who are telling them they're mentally ill, 🤡 🤡 🤡 " - meta

[grizzled pine]

for real, thats why these days i only use discord and very rarely i go on youtube to watch something

[wind granite]

It's not insane, it's hateful.

[solid marten]

This is why I'm not calling for a twitter ban, I'm calling for consistency, if you ban twitter, you should also ban meta.

[wind granite]

If you're going to talk about meta allowing the weaponization of mental illness against queer people, it doesn't make sense to discuss it using ableist terms.

[grizzled pine]

I mean, i dont have an opinion. I dont use either and will probably not click on a link to these anyways.

[solid marten]

Agreed.

[grizzled pine]

"this is insane" is an expression of shock, i don't think its ableist, i might be wrong tho.

[wind granite]

It is ableist. I know it's an expression of shock, and you can find other ways to express that shock without trying to relate hatred and violence with insanity. It's ableist because insane people exist, they're real, they're a marginalized group and they're villified often even though they're not more likely to be violent or hateful than anyone else.

[grizzled pine]

Yeah, makes sense. I will try to avoid using it from now on even tho im used to saying it.

[solid marten]

It makes a judgement on the person who has done an action from a perspective of their grasp of reality. I'm not against that in say, a case where someone is actually delusional. In this case though they know exactly what they're doing, it's bigotry. A legal defense of insanity I'm not against. I don't think you're a bad person for using it to be clear, but there are connotations of using that word. I usually keep quiet because most of this server is kids who don't think about these things. I also try to avoid using words like dumb, stupid, idiot. It's hard to break a life time of that though.

[grizzled pine]

in my country it's "normal" to call someone the r-slur. And it was hard for me to stop using it cuz i was used to call anyone who annoyed me that word when i was younger.

[solid marten]

here's me fucking up recently:

[grizzled pine]

yeah, also another thing i often forget are pronouns of people. And pronoundb doesn't work on mobile.

ffs discord should make it a feature.

[chilly sigil]

tbh i forget pronouns often, good thing there's neutral "they"

[grizzled pine]

in my country there are no neutral pronouns so i often forget they exists in english cuz of the way om used to think

[chilly sigil]

in my country there's no neutrality anywhere and verbs and adjectives are gendered too... slavic pain

[mint sandal]

different sufix depending on who it refers to

[solid marten]

we are being feminised due to the contraceptive pill in some places leading to more estrogen in the drinking water, the effect though is pretty slight

[chilly sigil]

in future and present verbs are verbs, but in past they're adjectives (similarish to english You have done something, in czech would be Udělal/a jsi něco, literally Done-gender is-pronoun something, Done-male/female is-you something)
idk how to better describe it

[late goblet]

did you guys know it’s woke to let trans people have rights and live

without dealing with hate and bigotry ^^^^

[mint sandal]

in English he/she/it/they ate could be on jadł, ona jadła, ono jadło, oni jedli, one jadły (masc, fem, neutral singular, masc, fem plural) in Polish

[chilly sigil]

the neutral would be more like it, not they (or idk polish atleast in czech that's how it is)

[late goblet]

that’s very woke 🤓

[mint sandal]

yeah, the only dedicated neutral form in polish is also singular, there's no dedicated neutral plural

[solid marten]

feminised there is a gendered verb 😉

[mint sandal]

don't forget about microplastic presence in blood and chemicals leaking from plastic we use also having effect on the endocrine systems

[agile mist]

Waking up after 8 hours of sleep is woke (that's why it's called that)

[jagged pike]

Damn what did I miss here

[late goblet]

very true

[solid marten]

I can't even remember but, it wasn't a good reaction lol

[jagged pike]

Did we get raided by a bunch of pre-teens yesterday?

[solid marten]

lunduke sent his followers here to raid it seems

[jagged pike]

I saw the lunduke video, first I ever heard of him and holy shit it was cringe

These guys have such a heavy persecution complex it's wild.

I swear, the MAGA types today are the actual snowflakes have the "woke" mentality that people have been making fun of since like 2015. The main difference is they actually have more political sway

And well, usually their actually views are also 1000x more harmful

[solid marten]

equality to the oppressed feels like oppression

[last yacht]

Do you mean oppressor?

[cold pollen]

"equality given to the oppressed feels like oppression to the privileged" would be the full thing

[solid marten]

yes haha, yes I do lol

[solid marten]

*equality to the oppressor feels like oppression

🤦

[solid marten]

no I just fucked it up because sleepy and sensory overload as I typed it

[sonic zenith]

oh thank god
buddy was weird af

[noble geode]

It’s kinda the Linux userbase in general is wildly lgbtq+.

[noble geode]

Why’d you put incels in quotes?

[solid marten]

Cis is a slur

[mint sandal]

Cis absolutely can be a slur when you get drunk enough and can't even speak anymore

[solid marten]

Okay sis

[upper flint]

how is it a slur?

[north thorn]

if i had to psychoanalyze the alt right thinks it's a slur because they think being trans is a mental illness, so pronouns to them are like the r slur, but it's made up bullshit and they really just mean they hate us for being different from them so they'll find any excuse they can to police and oppress us, even calling "cis" a slur

[upper flint]

wait i can't tell was the guy talking sarcastically 😭

[north thorn]

yea they were beign sarcastic lol

[upper flint]

i should have known..........

[north thorn]

99.9% sure vegancookies doesnt subscribe to that ideology, but it's funny to mock the alt right

fortnite music

[tulip tiger]

🤣

[noble geode]

Vegan was being facetious lol

[south wind]

use webhook thingy

[north thorn]

yea i know i said they were being sarcastic, i was just explaining why the alt right thinks its a slur

[south wind]

:pk explain

;pk explain

[north thorn]

[noble geode]

#bot-commands

[sly tundra]

MEOW

[noble geode]

meow

[kindred glade]

Nyaa

[solid marten]

Elon Musk announced cis was a slur a few years ago on twitter, it defies logic 🙂

I don’t know what this means

[maiden venture]

Screenshot the post, that solves that issue

[cold pollen]

Random bullshit

[unborn sigil]

ban X links thread
thread turns into X

[north thorn]

godwins law

[solid marten]

That’s comparable to 1930’s German laws

[north thorn]

isnt godwins law that the longer a discussion goes on the higher probability it'l become about nazis or am i misremembering it

[cold pollen]

Yes but specifically online

[north thorn]

ah yea fair

[solid marten]

There was a joke in there you know

[tulip tiger]

🤭

[sinful aspen]

i see this thread has not improved in quality much
and that the slowmode is 1 minute, holy tux

[proven shadow]

tweeter is useless chinese propaganda

[jagged pike]

Russian*

[proven shadow]

north korean

[north thorn]

south african (because elon is south african )

[proven shadow]

elon duck is afrikan ? then what did i do to think hes indian

[north thorn]

he's a white south african yeah

[sinful aspen]

just got reminded of this

[jade ridge]

and born rich

[north thorn]

yes true, his parents profited off the apartheid

[jade ridge]

wish my parents had an emerald mine

[last yacht]

Afrikaner is the word for em

[north thorn]

oh neat thank you, i didn't know there was even a term for it

[silent moon]

asuramaru.uwu received a thank you cookie!

[last yacht]

They got their own language too which is largely derived from Dutch

[north thorn]

oh interesting

[last yacht]

It's called Afrikaans, I'm not sure if the language name or population name came first tbh but tldr: they're descendents of the dutch settlers in South Africa

[solid marten]

@jagged pike if we're banning twitter I maintain we should ban meta.

[jagged pike]

LMAO I meant meta thread on the topic of mod appointment and different tier mods for controversial not the company meta

[proper bridge]

I don't think that's a bad idea myself, meta isn't great either, but there's no obvious nazi running it so twitter comes first

[jagged pike]

You gonna get me dogpiled 😂

But on a side note, if X is going to get banned, although I don't know if I agree with it, I'd ask at the very least if people can then post XCancel links instead, since I'd imagine the goal of it is to reduce X traffic, and there could be valid reasons for not wanting to contribute to X traffic, esp since this is a small community discord and not a whole platform like X itself which itself has banned links to competing platforms like mastadon which is INFINITELY more egregious, but XCancel links allow people to send an authentic link rather than just an SS which can be doctored, so you can show evidence of a tweet without directing traffic to it

https://xcancel.com/

[proper bridge]

I don't think something similar would be a bad idea, but this is still a link to a link that links to twitter

[north thorn]

yeah also expecting everyone to use one specific thing when you're already banning another thing isn't going to be largely respected

[mystic elm]

Woah I haven’t checked this server in a while lol, what’s happening?
Did Twitter change their API or something?

[mint sandal]

@mystic elm twitter still has any public api?

[mystic elm]

Oh IDK 😭
I only really use Twitter to follow some artists and cool tech projects TBH.

I feel like banning links to it would kinda suck if there’s alike a cool project or smth that I wanna link here

[mint sandal]

It's used as a propaganda tool now, in many cases harming people from communities present here. It also is login-gated, it's not possible to view stuff without having account. People migrate to other platforms. Banning twitter links is action to make migration not just an option, it's happening on reddit, other communities

[mystic elm]

I guess I kinda get that, but IDK I think banning it is a bit too far 😭
TBF tho I only talk in this server when I need help since I hate Windows but have no idea what I’m doing when it comes to Arch LMAOOOOO

[proper bridge]

the owner is a nazi and the platform is becoming more nazi like with time, I think it's less of a matter of if we should ban it, than when we should ban it

[mystic elm]

He’s a Nazi??????? Like he said he supports Hitler???? 😭 When TF did that happen what☹️

[mental bear]

he's only a Nazi in the "new" sense, which is now the default way the word is used by people on here

[solid marten]

@mystic elm

sorry wrong post, meant this one

[mint sandal]

He was throwing nazi salutes on the tv. Plural, multiple

[mystic elm]

Oh!
Idk I feel like using the word “Nazi” makes it seem like it’s a bit worse than it actually is.
Idk tho IDRK politics stuff sorry 😭😭

[mental bear]

he is pro israel which is a classic "new" nazi take

[solid marten]

Elon musk has:
Defended far right bigot Stephen Yaxley Lennon
Spread far right conspiracy theories about Keir Starmer
supported the AfD
removed some of the safeguards for trans people so that they can be harassed by transphobic abuse on twitter
and done a NAZI salute.

[mystic elm]

Oh! I thought Nazis didn’t like people from that area.
I really gotta like, read the news more wtf sorry 💀

[mint sandal]

Haavara Agreement. Nazis literally supported zionists and worked with them to move jews out of Germany.

[proper bridge]

he's said that he agrees with someone who's said that hitler was right, denies the halocaust, did the solute, promotes neo-nazis, supports the modern german nazi party, and has said he has a "hitler problem" and has said "it's ok to be proud to be german" to said german party

[mystic elm]

Sorry if I seem dumb or rude I’m not trying to be IDRK American politics stuff 😭

[mint sandal]

If you live on Earth you will be affected in some way. When giants fall ground around them shakes.

[solid marten]

seems more like you're ignoring anyone making arguments as to why he is called a NAZI to say "I don't know I don't know I don't know" at this stage though?

[mystic elm]

I'm not trying to… sorry…

[jagged pike]

I think that's fine, but idk the community can weigh in on that, most people probably won't go past the second link and give twitter more traffic anyways,

[proper bridge]

If it were some sort of link that was just a screenshot of the tweet and nothing else so that it was verifiable, sure, but it still is acting like a portal to twitter and has the actual twitter links

[jagged pike]

actually wait I have to look into how it works cuz idk if it archives or if it is using a set of accounts so still gives it traffic, but I still think it's a step in the direction that is less extreme than banning it all together and still allowing people to post links for evidence

[proper bridge]

it uses twitter accounts to access twitter
Not sure how much caching it does

[jagged pike]

Like even from a strongly anti-X position, I think having some verifiable chain to link is important for keeping tabs on the whack shit said on it . Although if there is another option that can do cacheing, like someone ought to make a tool that you can easily just auto cache a tweet to the Internet archive, and then share that Wayback link instead.

[proper bridge]

I meant something like this

I mean the ban is two fold, to stop traffic from going to that site and people getting influenced by its algorithm.
And to encurage people to stop using that exclusivly, as if they want their platform to be able to spread, they need to not be on the platform that gets banned everywhere for nazism