TWO TIER RESIDENCY

[wind ice]

CITY - CITIZENSHIP - OUTSIDERS

"A quote posed as a question regarding what the city will regarding this topic?"

Two-tier residency| [DRAFT] |

"In order to foster a sense of civic duty, two tiers of residency will be established - citizens, and residents. Residents will be barred from enjoying some city privileges, and will be deprioritised from the remainder. New arrivals will be classified as residents, and in order to become citizens they will be required to go through a period of heightened community service duties, and mandatory integration programmes along with other duties."

• Increases the effectiveness of community service
  By making citizenship something greatly preferable to regular residency, newcomers will be incentivised to take up the pathway to citizenship, thus providing a pool of those who will take up more duties.
• Tension increases slightly, turning into a decrease overtime
  Whilst this system of unequal treatment might cause some discontent from the newcomers at the beginning, overtime this will settle into a greater-integrated society.
• Population growth increases slightly
  While all outsiders will be allowed to enter the city, the downside of either being a resident or having to go through the citizenship process will inevitably make some newcomers decide not to settle in the city instead.

[rain moss]

shouldnt that be 'decreases population growth'

[wind ice]

I made it the same as Admit Productive Outsiders

but I suppose it could just be a neutral effect

[rain moss]

oh riiight gotcha

i do think it deserves a negative since the tension goes to a positive overtime

[wind ice]

decided to just make it neutral

[rain moss]

that or increasing the base tension

since it goes down as time goes on

[cosmic bison]

Comparing to "admit no outsiders" and "unregulated" it'll increase

[rain moss]

true true

yea it does make sense when compared to the overall laws, i was just accidentally taking it at its own value

you could keep the increase but add a " all outsiders are still allowed" kinda thing to make it clearer

[cosmic bison]

Though I somewhat feel It's more a law still
one would demand to work for free in exchange to becoming a citizen after some time

[wind ice]

Oh yeah that is the intention of it

I'll restore the slight increase

[rain moss]

definitely feels merit (especially since its based on allow productive outsiders)

[wind ice]

this pretty much is
'demand to work for free'

[cosmic bison]

I mean, efficiency, it's in either way will be zeitgeist about merit/equality

[wind ice]

newcomers have to take on additional community service, get integration courses, etc

if they want to do the citizenship

[cosmic bison]

Oh, now I see
We furthermore increase productivity of communal service

I see no problem in it. Might have consequences, but what doesn't

[wind ice]

many such cases

[rain moss]

are laws allowed to lean towards multiple zeitgeists (like with the new dlc laws), or is it just single zeitgeists for now

outside of that, Eve would be pissed if she saw a law like this being floated

she's a frostlander citizen after all, and one that can barely work to boot

[cosmic bison]

Multiple zeitgeists are for factions, and for now we only have Polarisian Technocrats (who are )

[rain moss]

ah, makes sense

[wind ice]

it would be cool but I don't think we've seen any yet

best we've got is different zeitgeist 'outlooks' of factions/organisations I think

[rain moss]

well the DLC and multi-zeitgeist law idea is recent, so i dont expect them to crop up until quite a bit of time has passed

would be cool to see the technocrats (and future factions) come up with dedicated multi zeitgeist laws in the future

[urban venture]

Tension will just stay as increased either way. It will not increase in any other way

[wind ice]

it doesn't turn into a bigger increase

it turns into a decrease

[urban venture]

I wrote deacrease in the second sentence... thanks autocorrect

[rain moss]

honestly i feel like it should probably be a flat increase, since newcomers are always coming in (even if in small numbers)

[urban venture]

That's what I'm talking about

[rain moss]

and there would definitely be a lingering resentment for some ex-residents even if they become citizens

[urban venture]

Besides, even if you get a better tier, that doesn't automatically makes you like the system

I also belive that this law is more based rather then based

[rain moss]

it does have roots in how citizenship works/worked, so it kinda can go either way

[urban venture]

I get it that you want to add a lot of "integration" into that, but if you take out just one thing - and that's "mandatory integration programes" - and it's just pure

[mortal yew]

(we've had them since before fp2 launched, multi-zeitgeist combos, and full zeitgiest-*organization only laws have been a day one concept)

[rain moss]

ah, nvm then

still excited to see more

[mortal yew]

Very glad to hear! We have over 400+ laws so hopefully they're at least interesting to look at

-# me and Shackley have issues with adding laws

[urban venture]

How mu-

[mortal yew]

-# its not an addiction, we swear

[urban venture]

Hoooooly shit

[wind ice]

how much of them are in crime dissuation

[mortal yew]

I will not comment on that at this time.

[urban venture]

-# all of them

[rain moss]

holy moly

[mortal yew]

Frost Radio is my dream FP2, and that means a lot of nuanced content

-# the court system, private companies, workplace safety, conscription, diplomacy, you name it, we have it (most of the time)

[wind ice]

ew, private companies

[mortal yew]

I like the concept of the topic, will be adding it and a reformed take on R-T

[wind ice]

so much win

[dawn tulip]

-# private

[wind ice]

glad that my schizoid rant/argument from yesterday resulted in something

[mortal yew]

City - Citizenship - Newcomers Integration

[rain moss]

we should make rounds 3 laws per so we can pass more laws

[mortal yew]

"How will the approved newcomers be integrated into our city's society"

[mortal yew]

The evil and intimidating: B4C1T1 and its 16 laws

[rain moss]

great googly moogly

[mortal yew]

I think the average law per topic is 3

[wind ice]

is that crime dissuation.....

[cosmic bison]

Due the amount or inner GM discussions about each of them?

[mortal yew]

a single pair, (P v A for example) with an additional middle person (random zeitgeist)

Though there is a sizable amount which range from 4-6 due to zeitgiest combos

and then there are the laws that underwent the Mere-Weaze GMVC effect

and have over 7

[mortal yew]

the amount of us adding them

[mortal yew]

[cosmic bison]

Damn, I feel there's an abyss of them already

[mortal yew]

aye, we have tried to abstain from adding more

now its me going back over, adding more notes, and sometimes redesigning the topic/laws

[cosmic bison]

[mortal yew]

realized that this is essentially "How will natrualization be handled" topic

love it

[cosmic bison]

[lucid grove]

https://discord.com/channels/399667662625701893/1401726520028037142

https://tenor.com/view/don-quixote-limbus-company-gif-14725679901046656792

[mortal yew]

despite the bias, both kinda are added

#1449343208512426056 Concept redesigned into: Newcomer Residency

typing for a bit there, Vin

[lucid grove]

-# I wrote the version thinking of a specific branch to the factions, not that i expect those to happen.

[mortal yew]

Well, both concepts were heavily workshopped

specially that reason one lol

[lucid grove]

Lol

I guessed as much

Weird how the dlc had those culture laws, that were somewhat very similar to the topic

[wind ice]

-# twas another tradition victory

[lucid grove]

-# good game design i guess

[normal delta]

let us see

[coarse raptor]

-Ahh law

[wind ice]

No, I'm not a technocrat

[coarse raptor]

@wind ice Made a counter-law to this one
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[hollow turtle]

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