giving advice for 5.3-7.7 Ground America

[dire sage]

I said UNIVERSAL

[wet tendon]

Yes???

[dire sage]

Yeah you are worse for CAS but you are better as CAP

Thats why i said UNIVERSAL

[wet tendon]

Not by a lot

[dire sage]

But if you wanna focus on CAS, AM1 or AD4

[wet tendon]

The corsair has better a2a armament

unlimted wep

Better low speed performance

[dire sage]

Depends which F4U he is using

[wet tendon]

Better sim control performance

?????

The 4b

Obviously???

?????

[dire sage]

Bro, we dont care about sim

[wet tendon]

whatt eh fuck else would he use?

[wet tendon]

Good palyers do

[dire sage]

F4U4

[wet tendon]

It allows you to win fights that are not winnable without it

why would you use that at 6.3?

[dire sage]

Eh

[wet tendon]

Not eh

It does.

[dire sage]

If I NEED to use Sim control to win then you shouldnt win

Or anyone

[wet tendon]

Okay

[dire sage]

Its an unfair advantage in RB overall

[wet tendon]

It isnt

It's available freely

[dire sage]

It is

[wet tendon]

How is it unfair?

[dire sage]

For players that know how to use it

[wet tendon]

No

[dire sage]

Not everyone can use it

[wet tendon]

It's freely available for EVERYONE

[dire sage]

DOESNT MEAN EVERYONE CAN USE IT

[wet tendon]

Not my problem if they are too ass at the game to use it

[wet tendon]

so are binos unfair too?

And third person shooting?

Because nto everyone can use those

[dire sage]

Which like 99% of the game base cant use effectlively without dying

[dire sage]

In what way?

[wet tendon]

yet they are freely available for everyone

[wet tendon]

Once again, not my problem if people are too shit to use it. Get better.

[wet tendon]

99% of the playerbase dont know how to shoot through smoke using either of those methods

[dire sage]

You think the guy asking knows how to use sim without dying?

[dire sage]

Depends of the smoke

[wet tendon]

It doesn't.

[dire sage]

Small caliber smoke you can easily

[wet tendon]

which proves to me you are part of that 99%

[dire sage]

Good luck doing that against a 105 smoke

[wet tendon]

If he doesnt he now does, and can learn to use it

[dire sage]

Different smoke callibers have different effect

[wet tendon]

It works with ITERALLY every smoke in game

[dire sage]

Then how?

[wet tendon]

Are you serious right now?

[dire sage]

I know how to shoot through smoke if he is imobile or shooting MGs

[wet tendon]

oh my fuck.

[dire sage]

Not if I have no clue where he is in the smoke and that its fully smoked up

Or using squad mark by a plane /flanker

[wet tendon]

😭😭😭😭😭

[narrow moth]

What about 155mm smoke https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1062301196750168124/1274464933773447259/War_Thunder_-_In_battle_2024-08-17_16-22-20.mp4?ex=66e3f7b6&is=66e2a636&hm=471132c2467964aeb29629be6eec0f36b252a126ba6aaa9b9f661099cf2f3901&

[wet tendon]

not steamy...

[dire sage]

Depends

Just look at the smoke shell details

[wraith dome]

Is them the keyboard flying ones or the annoying ass circle thing with the dot that makes you sideslip

[wet tendon]

second

[wraith dome]

Haven’t actually tried that outside of sim tbh

How much of a change does it make

[wraith dome]

And can you even look around with those controls?

[wet tendon]

Yes

[wraith dome]

Alr

[wraith dome]

So does it like allow you to turn as hard as possible? I thought the keyboard flying was supposed to do that

[wet tendon]

no keyboard does not

[pale ibex]

nah, keyboard controls have a limit

you need to switch to full control to get unlimited access

but that makes basically anything unflyable with keyboard

[prisma folio]

So… US has the P-51C around 3.3 right? Can’t that shred these new 45mm wielding tank killing Russian planes?

[wet tendon]

It can

But they kind of fight better than you

[prisma folio]

Which is dumb cause yaks are far overperforming rn

[wet tendon]

I mean not really

The 45 mm ones are ass at dogfighting

[prisma folio]

So our p-51c should still be able to shred it then. It fights hard

Or, if it can’t, what plane do we as US have that will put it in it’s place

[grim girder]

do i grind the m48 line? or should i get the m46

[wet tendon]

m46

[grim girder]

oki doki artichoki

https://tenor.com/view/steam-happy-steam-happy-gif-4531022007608143773

[spice grotto]

What is a good 7.7 lineup? 1 cas plane. Or 8.0, I got the ah1 too

[plush patrol]

XM800, M48, M103, F3D and M163

i guess

T32 is not worth researching at all

[spice grotto]

Cool thanks

[west crypt]

You're gonna be ok 1v1 with most things as they are gonna be looking for tanks. It's when there's 2 (with at least 1 having a brain) or 3 planes and you gotta hang back sometimes. You could try the P47s, go in for an attack then outrun them or try the corsairs, hellcats or maybe even P63s. Might be more, sometimes if you know you can turn well it can get you killed haha

What are P-38s like? not tried them yet

[prisma folio]

They climb hard. Two allisons and all the guns are in the nose so the concentration of fire is insanr

[west crypt]

Anyone know which P-38 is the most fun/best at BR? I also haven't tried the F6F yet.

[dire sage]

3.3 and 4.7 one

Best P38s BR for BR

Learn to energy fight

You can beat everything by going up after a dive

And you have excelent flaps for mid-low speed

[spice grotto]

I will say they are a little hard to get someone in a headon if they dive out of the way

[nimble pagoda]

Im 6.3 ground doing alright, but my real question is, is 6.7 basically the same as 6.3 or what

[spice grotto]

6.7 is better because of the tanks you can use, imo

T26e5 is great, T34 is great, m56 and m50 are also both great

[nimble pagoda]

Ok cool

[spice grotto]

In addition to those 4 I also use the m16 mgmc and the p51h

If you only have 5 slots drop either the m56 or m50

🤷‍♂️ I don't do top tier premiums.... go to #1025516636792434698

[nimble pagoda]

gotcha

I thought this was that ngl

[spice grotto]

Maybe but me personally I don't do that

[nimble pagoda]

Just on sale, I was willing to spend a bit, being a free game after all

Plus it gives me the premium time

Also whats the first guided missile for USA? Id like to use those in game

im in 6.3 and im seeing them does the US have them?

[nimble pagoda]

Is the T26E5 good?

[final wadi]

Yes

Very 1 of the best 6.7s

[nimble pagoda]

Thanks

Is the armor good?

[final wadi]

Yes

[wraith dome]

competetive yes

[final wadi]

Very good armor only down side is gun as you need APCR for some stuff

Otherwise M82 is fine

[nimble pagoda]

Thats fine

[final wadi]

The UFP as example is immune to long 88s

[nimble pagoda]

Glad the armor can actually take a bullet

[wraith dome]

biggest threat will be german heavy armour

[nimble pagoda]

what a change of pace

[final wadi]

And LFP can bounce them as well depends on area

[wraith dome]

dont bank on it

weakspots are easy to learn

[final wadi]

You would think but most people don't think it's the heavy

Last time I played it was like 200 or so SP from a nuke

As almost all people shot UFP thinking normal M26

[wraith dome]

same with me but with the super pershing

[nimble pagoda]

what are its weakspots?

[wraith dome]

LFP sides, MG port are the big one

ones*

[nimble pagoda]

Alright

[wraith dome]

left turret cheek has ammo right behind it too

[final wadi]

Only can be pen if you show it flat or HEAT/HEATFS/high pen APDS though

That's 1 reason I don't like the super Pershing that weak point long 88s eat it unlike T26E5 TBH

[wraith dome]

if the turret is at an angle long 88 can pen it too i believe

[nimble pagoda]

just had that happened

[wraith dome]

ah

[nimble pagoda]

so the super pershing is a heavy version of the persing?

[wraith dome]

the t26 is a jumbo pershing, ie uparmoured M26, T26E1 is T26E5 is a jumbo pershing with extra armour slapped on

(i think)

[nimble pagoda]

Is the M56 good?

[wraith dome]

yes

[nimble pagoda]

in a test drive it didnt seem all that fantastic

[wraith dome]

especially after the APHE

[wraith dome]

thats because of the APCR it gets stock

[nimble pagoda]

alright

so use heat till I get APHE

[wraith dome]

you dont get heat stock lol

[nimble pagoda]

I meant the HE round

[final wadi]

Hence why I said show flat

[nimble pagoda]

so dont angle?

[final wadi]

No

[wraith dome]

didnt see that sorry

[final wadi]

Super Pershing is a modified T26E4 with boiler metal added I believe

[wraith dome]

i thought it was panther armour?

[final wadi]

And The T26E5 was an assault tank based on the M26 Pershing heavy tank. It was developed from the same premise as the M4A3E2 Assault Tank, that of increasing the armor of the current existing tank with a purpose to break through the enemy defense line.

[final wadi]

Guess it was on the UFP

[nimble pagoda]

wheres the conquerors weak spot?

he just actually shat on me

[final wadi]

LFP for most things

[nimble pagoda]

Wow how do you use the T-92

might be one of the worst tanks ive ever played

Oh its gets Heat-fs and APDS

I guess I need that before I complain

[wet tendon]

6.7 has a worse matchmaker and like somewhat better tanks for the br. Your planes are the exact same.

Like the things worth playing at 6.7 are the m50, m26e1, t34, t26e5

The rest are pretty much mediocre or bad

There is no reason to crew spaa, rather get fighters in there.

[wet tendon]

Lfp hull corners, mg port, cupola, hull roof where it sticks out and miscellaneous weakspots on the turret face

[wet tendon]

Not imo

Casemate and opentop

That can be 7.7d

[wet tendon]

Lfp, cupola if you dont have 200mm plus pen

[plush patrol]

stealth tank, extremely low profile and fast reload

run around and rotate through spots

i would advise you use the APDS over the HEAT once you have it, but still bring some

[spice grotto]

What ammo for the m48a1?

And the m47?

[final wadi]

Both HEATFS and M82

[spice grotto]

Gotcha cool

[nimble pagoda]

I got the APDS and heatfs and its so fun

The m56 is trash though wow

least fun ive ever had in a tank using that APCR

[dire sage]

Ironically my best stock grind xD

APCR actually did damage

[molten horizon]

Yeah M56 really isn't a bad grind

If anything starting with only the APCR almost helps cause it forces you into figuring out not to even think about being seen

[dire sage]

Or learning weakspot whilst having pen looks over at m26, m46 and m47

[molten horizon]

M47 / 105 cares not for your weakspots

[dire sage]

90mm does when stock

[wet tendon]

That is why he said the 105

[grim girder]

m56 stock grind not that bad lol

idk why but the m56 is one of my fav tanks to play

it feels like ur playing a survival horror game

[lament sand]

lmao fr, also i feel like an absolute rat while playing it

[spice grotto]

Tbh the apcr isn't even that bad... at least it can pen things usually

[grim girder]

m56 apcr is good actually

one shotted a rochev just now

[molten horizon]

It's a Rochev

OFC you did

[spice grotto]

The xm800t floats???

[dire sage]

WHAT

[wraith dome]

I gotta grind the light tank line then

[spice grotto]

I was on whatever that jungle map is next to the ocean that has those rivers flowing in the middle of the map, and I accidentally drove into the river and didn't realize how close I was to the little random deep pit of water and I started floating and bobbing excessively lol

[dire sage]

The name of the map is jungle iirc

[spice grotto]

Hmmm time to hop ingame and double check that lol

[wet tendon]

Yes it is.

[spice grotto]

I'll ss the xm800 floating too

Yeah the map name's jungle

I go find deeper water

[wet tendon]

F3/4

[spice grotto]

yep definitely can't drive here

But I can float!

[lament sand]

yeee, its also gonna move up to 8.0

[nimble pagoda]

LOL I can never pen things

usually get shell shattered and sent back to the main menu

[spice grotto]

Nooooooo! I can't do anything at 7.7, without the apds round anyways...

and that's on the stupid last tier of upgrades

[final wadi]

I hate the XM800T anyway the gun is trash without APDS but even with it can't pen most things that angle a small bit or can't pen at all but 8.0 at least can face less armor stuff or some more stuff than 7.7 down tier vs heavy tanks or heavy armor TDs

[spice grotto]

What in the frikin world was this

At least with the xm800 I was able to do something

A few light tanks (and a somua who turned his turret and I killed his commander with a lucky shot)

[nimble pagoda]

common complaint

I want to research it but god damn will the grind be really painful

[spice grotto]

Took me maybe 3 days to grind it

[molten horizon]

I mean thats kinda the story of all the wheelys

The BTR can barely hurt a fly without its APDS

But god damn its amazing with it

[nimble pagoda]

one vehicle away from rank 5, what do I need to know?

[nimble pagoda]

much to my dismay

[dire sage]

Nah, AP belt can kill like everything except heavies

And even there

[molten horizon]

If you're close enough to pee on the enemy, sometimes yes

[dire sage]

Thats the point

[molten horizon]

When you're an RV with questionable mobility you aren't getting that close

[plush patrol]

Tier doesn’t really have much that is notable

Go for the XM800 if you want an average rat tank
M47 and M48 are good as mediums, especially once you have the HEAT and rangefinder mods
Skip the M60, get the AOS instead
Ignore the T32/T32E1
Grab the M163, it will be useful later at 8.3
T95 is funny but obviously it’s an obese meme tank that’s slow as fuck

[nimble pagoda]

fuck the t95

[plush patrol]

I like it

funny gun

[nimble pagoda]

do either of the tanks you told me to get have the ATGM mod?

[plush patrol]

none of these have ATGMs

your first ATGM vehicles are the M3 Bradley or M901 both at 8.3

then the XM803 and MBT-70 at 9.0 and 9.3, with barrel launched ones

[nimble pagoda]

Ah I was thinking of those

Damn shame the US doesnt get an early ATGM vehicle

[plush patrol]

nah

no funny light atgm carrier for us

[plush patrol]

tbh the barrel launched one is pretty bad

[nimble pagoda]

litterally 1984

[plush patrol]

especially considering the fact that they both get APFSDS as a rank 2 mod

[nimble pagoda]

I dont care, I just crave ATGM

[plush patrol]

valid

get the Bradley if you want remotely good ATGMS

skip the Sheridan

[nimble pagoda]

Thats what ill do

[plush patrol]

gun is supposed to be alright too, once you have the full APDS belt

[nimble pagoda]

ill sit either on a 10.3 lineup or whichever BR the bradley is and just spam it lol

[final wadi]

M163 useful since when

It's garbage hence the going to 7.3 for a reason

[nimble pagoda]

I guess once I get into heli spam territory

[plush patrol]

I use it against dumb cas, it usually works against the lobotomised monkeys I’m fighting

[plush patrol]

note, the tracking radar is especially dogwater against slow moving targets

it will only lock helis at like ~2km

[final wadi]

Vs any you mean it's like 0.80km or so to get lead icon

[nimble pagoda]

why is this?

[plush patrol]

shit tracking radar

not much else to say

[nimble pagoda]

back to the grind

[nimble pagoda]

m103 good?

[plush patrol]

eh

doesn’t seem like it

I haven’t played it myself but it doesn’t look like it has a lot to offer

oversized gun with a shitty reload and mid armour from what I’ve heard

rangefinder and heat tho so idk

[final wadi]

I like it

[final wadi]

Reload is like 15.9 ace or something for a huge high DMG AP and gets HEATFS. Same reload as conquer as example but better gun in my opinion

[plush patrol]

ok

I don’t think I’ll ever spend an ace crew on that, but I might give it a go soon

if I can be bothered to grind the M48 first so it has somewhat of a lineup

[molten horizon]

Other day an M103 shot my 55AM-1 in the rear of the turret at 5 meters

Loader turned yellow

[final wadi]

Probably HEATFS and bad aim AP nukes anything and HEATFS is great vs ussr/heavy armor stuff front on

[dire sage]

Fym by that? Sheridan is good

[plush patrol]

imo the Bradley is better at the same BR

you may be slower

[dire sage]

Both have different roles

[plush patrol]

but the ATGMS are a separate launcher

[dire sage]

Bradley is a universal fighter

[plush patrol]

ye ones an IFV others a dedicated light tank

but

[dire sage]

Sheridan is better at big open maps with hiding spots

[plush patrol]

shooting somethin and doing zero damage after learning that specific rounds drop off doesn’t seem too appealing I’m ngl

[dire sage]

And m60A2 is sheridan but armor instead of mobility (and longer reload)

[dire sage]

I use the M551 and its quite good ironically

[plush patrol]

idk maybe I’ll try it

[dire sage]

Either use it as first or mid spawn

[plush patrol]

I just want all my M60s first

[dire sage]

If you want, we can squad up for your stock grind

[plush patrol]

sure whenever idm

weekend is best tho

[dire sage]

I got the reg m60 and researching the Chap for a futur 9.0/9.3

[plush patrol]

yeah I got the Chap and M247 already

[dire sage]

Same, can you do friday?

[plush patrol]

so I’m pretty much set for the 9.0 lineup

[dire sage]

Like 7pm EST?

[dire sage]

Only got M247

But I have almost the full US air TT

[plush patrol]

ah shit idk then

I’m GMT

that’s like eleven or whatever

[dire sage]

Im GMT-6

So 6+7

So 1am for you

[plush patrol]

nah sorry lol

[dire sage]

What about saturday like 8-9am?

Should be like 3-4pm for you

[plush patrol]

yea that’s good

[dire sage]

Wait

[plush patrol]

I’ll double check I don’t have anything on

[dire sage]

Your 00:00 is 19:00 for me

[plush patrol]

wait we’re still BST I think

[dire sage]

What time is it for you rn?

[plush patrol]

20 past midnight

[dire sage]

Lol

So yeah

7pm is midnight for you

[plush patrol]

ok so you’re -5 atm

[dire sage]

Isnt EST -6?

[plush patrol]

so hopefully I won’t have anything on Saturday

[plush patrol]

I searched it up, it’s GMT-5 rn

-4 in the summer apparently

[molten horizon]

M551(76) the goat

[grim girder]

just got the t32, should i research the m46 so i can get a semi 7.3 lineup/

[wet tendon]

Yeah the m46 is SUPER good

[grim girder]

oki doki

[plush patrol]

i recommend T92, M46, T26E5, F84B and M16

[nimble pagoda]

p-51h also a good plane pick, problem is shitty rockets and only one drop of 500 pounders

Can pretty much out manuever most things with energy

[molten horizon]

If you're at 7.3 there's really no reason not to go F84 / F3D at that point

[wet tendon]

You can get 10 rockets and 2 drops with weapon selection and custom loadouts.

[nimble pagoda]

What’s better?

[molten horizon]

What isn't? F84 has way more ordnance and unless youre a particularly good pilot youre at a BR where speed starts to really matter for CAS

[nimble pagoda]

P51h gets like 700 on a dive

[molten horizon]

Ok?

[nimble pagoda]

Didn’t check the ordinance though I just use it as an anti cas

[nimble pagoda]

What does the f84 get

[molten horizon]

Theoretical top speed of about 950 but I wouldnt go over 900 myself

[grim girder]

no air tt 😔

[plush patrol]

tbh I don’t blame you

I find the props mid

jets are good tho

[grim girder]

i only play ground its not even that i dislike planes 😭

[minor kraken]

Always abuse broken spots followed by dont be a sitter. I'm confused, do I exploit the shit map design and spawn camp half the map away or not?

[spice grotto]

Find new broken spots

Don't sit in one place is what I think that means

Oh didn't read the original message lol

There's an extra "h" in there

[wet tendon]

If the spot is broken and has actual game impact

Use it

If it doesn’t, do not

Don’t be a shitter is to have a mentality of trying to be useful

And to try to learn

[spice grotto]

Ah that makes more senes

[west crypt]

I've just unlocked the super pershing. Do I put it in my 6.7 line up or the T34? and do I replace my M42 with the skink? I love the m42

[grim girder]

whats your current lineup?

[grim girder]

replace the m26

with the super pershing

Keep t34

[west crypt]

I have another spare slot also.

[grim girder]

not sure on the m42/skink situation

[west crypt]

I do much better in the T26E5 than I do in the king tiger but not sure why

[dire sage]

M42 better universal

Skink better AA when there's too many planes

[spice grotto]

Drop m26, use t34 and t26e1-1 in those 2 slots. M42 is a decent aa but is hard to aim vs planes, I personally love the skink but it's not for everyone, the lowish muzzle velocity and short range can throw some people off. Also like any aa requires a good gunner crew (on targeting to make sure you have the max turret traverse rate) but the best part is the practical immunity to plane gun weaponry

Skink vs ground is not good unless it's vs light open top aa like the trucks or light tanks like pt76's, m42 is basically a td with aa capabilities. Can kill panthers, t-34's, aa, other mediums

As well as kv's if on the side

[west crypt]

Thanks will do. Yeah i love using the M42 for that

[spice grotto]

On the other hand skink is near invincible vs planes

And you have no idea how many jets I've murdered with it.......

[dire sage]

Skink is honestly ass for US

You have the T77E1 which is just better tbh

Or the M42 which kinda does what cannons do to planes.

T77 = short-mid range

Skink = short-mid range

M19/42 = mid-long range

[pale ibex]

M42 is the better choice imo

yeah, its harder to aim, but you know the plane comes down when you hit

[spice grotto]

Don't bash on the skink.... 10 air kills games in grb say otherwise

[pale ibex]

okay?

couldve done that with the M42 aswell

in the end it comes down to personal preference anyway

[spice grotto]

Not with the number of times I got strafed or bombed and didn't die...

But fair

Also skink pretty much one shots things as well as the m42 does, those cannons are nothing to mess with

[shut rose]

I don't see the point in APCR. To me it feels like AP with extra steps. What situations would it be useful in and when should I use it vs APHE?

[spice grotto]

Apcr is good vs flat plates your aphe can't pen

95% of the time it's useless

Basically if the enemy is angled at all it'll bounce or shatter or something

For the American 90mm cannon I exclusively use apcr vs maus/e100

For the American 75 I exclusively use it vs kv tanks (and even then rarely)

For the American 76 I exclusively use it vs king tigers and only when straight on and they're already disabled

[dire sage]

well, performance doesnt mean if its good or not

[spice grotto]

It has a great traverse rate, infinite firing with ammo box, and good fire rate and the ammo deletes things in one or two shots. Only problem is short range

[novel quest]

Is it worth slotting an M18 and T26 into a mostly 5.7 lineup and bumping it up to 6.0, or should I wait until I have most of 6.3 researched and put together a lineup for that BR? I imagine it's not that big of a deal.

[spice grotto]

It's not that big a deal

M4/t26 isn't great, but it works... m18 though is amazing

[novel quest]

Gotcha, It would be much cleaner if the M18 was 5.7 lol. Still have some grinding to do in my air tree for a fighter for that BR, so I'm not quite there yet. I have researched up to the F8F1 and P47D22 at the moment.

[spice grotto]

F8f-1 has the performance of a much higher br plane, it has insane engine power and good maneuverability

And if you're into cas you can equip 3x 1000lb bombs (drop the first 2 at the same time though or it will unbalance you and you'll crash) or some tiny tims or other loadouts

[novel quest]

I was enjoying the tiny tims on the f6f5 in my 3.7 lineup, will probably end up running the 1k's on the bearcat though