🦡︴cotw-scotland

[tawdry wing]

night sky views are underdeveloped in cotw

[midnight moon]

Night hunting is weak in cotw

lots dont care to play night time too :p

They should add base game night hunting stuff imo

And more in general

But I digress

[tawdry wing]

there's no milky way still, but I'm looking forward to that in the future.

[stiff leaf]

theres no real fun aspect to night hunting

[midnight moon]

Except if they add thermals- night hunting hogs on hirsch and cuatro would be worth it

[low mango]

I’d love to see that irl maybe some day I’ll make it out to a spot.

[quick grail]

i find myself enjoying nighttime more but yea, i think if its more managable i will look forward to hunting nighttime

[tawdry wing]

in part because it doesn't look as good as it could

(just in part)

[stiff leaf]

When should we expect CCs to have access to RC

[midnight moon]

yeah i understand what ya mean :p but doesnt help if majority alrdy complain if it snow or rain half day cycle or more 😁

Also night can have 400 yards visibility on a full moon, if your out in the middle of nowhere

[tawdry wing]

I think the excessive fog on the headlamp is what kills night hunting in this game

they overnerf it

[midnight moon]

medved night i did. not easy i say 😅

[peak cedar]

May 27-30th

[quick grail]

YES thats what makes it a nightmare to hunt in maps w/ a lot of fog too

[tawdry wing]

medved has special issues with the headlamp, even worse on the lakes

[midnight moon]

yep

[peak cedar]

they seem to be doing everything early this year. Probably to squeeze in one extra DLC before 2023

[midnight moon]

but welp still like medved due to difficulty

[tawdry wing]

and it's not in a way that would be realistic. the snowdust texture sprites are way too obvious

[quick grail]

i personally think a level of realism should be sacrificed to ensure funfactor n shit o3o

[tawdry wing]

I enjoy medved, I just don't use headlamp at all.

[midnight moon]

same XD

[quick grail]

nighthunting w/o torch is easier

[tawdry wing]

I derailed this a bit. let's go back to topic.

[quick grail]

ohright lol

[tawdry wing]

my bad

[quick grail]

i really am excited for mmore info

[midnight moon]

shared fault :p

[quick grail]

^

i didnt enjoy missouri that much so

i really hope i enjoy it

[wispy aurora]

Missouri?

[tawdry wing]

ah yes missouri acres

[quick grail]

no mississipi

sorry america is confusing to my european brain

[midnight moon]

cant please all XD im not a fan off it too. aligators so boring but welp xd

[acoustic elbow]

wider perspective from one of the previous images

[quick grail]

oooooo

[stiff leaf]

sick

[wispy aurora]

Apparently not boring enough for everyone to want them lmao

[quick grail]

i love alligators but i HATE hunting them

more frustrating/annoying than fun,

[midnight moon]

indeed

[stiff leaf]

they look good but hunt bad

[wispy aurora]

I don’t get the hype for them at all

[midnight moon]

but welp cant make everybody happy xd (i dislike the run so fast or i need to sit on a stand and wait haah)

i rater shoot raccoon 😁

[quick grail]

same now theyre fixed lol

[gaunt storm]

I like gators

[quick grail]

i hate the lil birds moer tbh?

[wispy aurora]

Coon = boring

[gaunt storm]

but I do agree that their running is stupid

Gaotrs are reptiles and thus have ni stamina

[quick grail]

well

[midnight moon]

coon is boring to yes. but the always get me with that voice lmao

[stiff leaf]

Do any of you think that this map will give you a new favorite animal?

[quick grail]

not eexactly??

[midnight moon]

i want them dead if i hear

[wispy aurora]

Why I didn’t buy Mississippi, same animals just alligators added lol

[quick grail]

i am hoping for raccoon dog!

[frail tusk]

raccoon dogs are confirmed

[midnight moon]

yep

[gaunt storm]

No nnneed

[wispy aurora]

What new animal? Raccoon dog lol

[quick grail]

as in hoping they become my new fav haha

[frail tusk]

ah

[quick grail]

mb! :)

[wispy aurora]

Wish they weren’t added I like them too much

[quick grail]

foxes are my fav animal so shootin them is PAIN

[midnight moon]

i doubt. but i have hope for the bigger picture. hunt lot diffrent diamands in 1 map :p

[quick grail]

but i want a diamond

[tawdry wing]

alligators are a very unique addition tho

I like to see them experiment with new types of species

[wispy aurora]

Not unique enough for real money lol

[quick grail]

same

[wispy aurora]

I’d prefer to hunt an animal I can’t hunt irl

[tawdry wing]

if the alternative is more reskins...

[stiff leaf]

I am in love with the capercaillie model

[quick grail]

i just wish double or half lung slowed them down a LOT

[midnight moon]

well the added gators so why wouldnt the add who nows hippos someday :p

[quick grail]

I cant wait to see the models

[midnight moon]

the better attack me

[wispy aurora]

That’s if we get another African map

[midnight moon]

if yes. lets say. the expiremented with gators for water animals :p

doesnt sound like the dropping support soon. who knows whats next :p

[wispy aurora]

Another eu map until people start complaining theres to many of those

[soft lava]

When there’s only 2 bout to be 3, you can’t satisfy everyone

[midnight moon]

germany black wood hunting when :p

[wispy aurora]

Two set there but 4 with animals from there

[peak cedar]

I think it was more of getting away from NA that seemed so appealing to majority

[soft lava]

Yeah there’s lots of places I’d prefer over North America reserves right now

[midnight moon]

it makes sense with the rework too tbh

[peak cedar]

there's still some species in NA that could make a new map, but it's enough to satisfy most casual players now

[soft lava]

Land of a thousand lakes, perfect for it

[midnight moon]

for waterfowls

[wispy aurora]

There’s many places I’d prefer than the northern hemisphere

But here we are with only 3 below the equator

[midnight moon]

dont doubt xd

[warm basin]

Map is map at the end of the day

[midnight moon]

im more scared how i will travel the map p

[soft lava]

Probably like any other map

[midnight moon]

i dont want to bring a tent to call quad xd

[wispy aurora]

Just drive the road to each outpost and look out

:p

[midnight moon]

im more in free roam haha

[soft lava]

Do that and don’t really focus to much on hunting

[midnight moon]

but yeah thats what i do now

[soft lava]

Very rarely will I actually go to a lake when I start a map

[wispy aurora]

It only takes like 10 minutes but okay

[soft lava]

10 minutes, yeah sure

[wispy aurora]

How long I had srp discovered

Maybe 20

[soft lava]

Fair

[midnight moon]

it depends on people :p

[soft lava]

True

[midnight moon]

i usually run around and shoot

[wispy aurora]

It’s to open up the map to hunt easier the atvs were added for a reason

[midnight moon]

then discover new areas

i just dont like if i need to run or fast travel due to others 10min run to other side due to cant cross Xd

[stiff leaf]

I've been straying further away from need zone grinding and am getting used to walking-in-the-forest hunting

[soft lava]

I’m sure there will be fast travel boat spots

[wispy aurora]

Most likely after how annoying Mississippi was to traverse

[midnight moon]

it is

I just got a rando hacker to put tents at every one

there i did actually cared to unlock fast travel and use it -_-

other maps. i just have a walk and enjoy the vieuws and random spawns

[wispy aurora]

Idk I’ll probably only be in the water system or whatever is on the new map anyway, I’ll probably have half the map undiscovered the whole time

[stiff leaf]

cringe

i like walking to outposts

[midnight moon]

How most of my maps are

Like 25% I don’t bother

i dont have all unlocked too. tbh. but think most over 50%

thats by walking and go diffrent stuff

just fast travel for ammo :p

[frail tusk]

flag's not white and blue, disappointed

[wispy aurora]

Just an Opinion But honestly the maps are too big

[midnight moon]

for you :p

[wispy aurora]

I only find myself hunting maybe 40%-50% of any map

Like vurhonga is just completely dead on the west side of the map for most people

[midnight moon]

agreed

[stiff leaf]

How long would it take to cross the entire map while prone

[midnight moon]

go try it 😁

[wispy aurora]

Some goes with srp the west is just pointless in hunting

[midnight moon]

i remember frist week i played with barely skills i runned maybe 1h after 1 animal high class

[acoustic elbow]

west of srp is full of elk and bear

[midnight moon]

😂

[harsh mist]

Maps in COTW are Amazing!

[midnight moon]

and that was prone was forced or the runned 😁

[midnight moon]

Small*

[harsh mist]

Wrong...i got plenty of need zones there...

[midnight moon]

Only a hour? I ran after a cinnamon black bear for 4 hours bc I thought it was rare

Then hit a lucky ass shot from 300m

With 243 💀

[low citrus]

💀

[midnight moon]

well it can be 2 or 3 too didnt timed it :p

I also full sprinted whole time bc idk how to sneak up on stuff

[wispy aurora]

You mean aimed right on it lol

[midnight moon]

Tracking distance was like 17 km

all i can say. i runned so long shot 2 times. and traveled prone big distance

I think it wouldve been a diamond to bc after i killed it it was a gold

Idk how many times i shot it tho

Or what level it was

i think i got diamand puma clean shot 400 meters...

[wispy aurora]

Man I’ve sunk probably days into certain maps to come up with that thought

[stiff leaf]

Waterfowl might get a score rework... hmm

[midnight moon]

when i arived animal was diffrent haha

[wispy aurora]

How

There scored on weight irl

[stiff leaf]

guessing

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight moon]

i was looking 30min to be sure it wasnt my mind going nutz

then asked discord and the told bug. happens

Only map thats a pain in the ass is Mississippi and cuatro

so idk if i go shoot 400+ again

[midnight moon]

we see. well something is changing :p

[midnight moon]

I 300m neck shot a diamond jackal on accident to 💀

Zeroed for wrong distance

[wispy aurora]

How I killed my first diamond

[midnight moon]

did it changed animal ?

My first diamond was a blacktail outta a treestand

W

[wispy aurora]

Shit into a herd of wildebeest at 400m and dropped a diamond

[midnight moon]

i mean i shot 400 meters diamond puma. got a shitty deer when arived

gold

[wispy aurora]

Still longest shot I believe

[midnight moon]

Ive killed 9 troll mountain lions

0 diamonds

Off srp

Xd

I got a gold albino before a diamond

[stiff leaf]

i have this shot

[midnight moon]

i dont play this to much to farm diamonds. just enjoy the little games

my diamand was when africa map was released

I havent touched cotw in months 💀

[thorn marsh]

Anything new guys?

I haven’t looked at the chat in like two hours

I’d assume nothing new

[stiff leaf]

not much

#565822159197569024

[midnight moon]

shtt :p

[stiff leaf]

||yrs||

[shut glacier]

Whats the poimt of this chat?

[stiff leaf]

talk about new map

[midnight moon]

to build hype

[small creek]

finland

[stiff leaf]

aka renamed clues chat

[thorn marsh]

Talking about Finland

[shut glacier]

Seems like another random chat

[midnight moon]

i deleted but was to show i got it before rework diamand and also random

seems the changed dark fur way rarer and was common 😁

[thorn marsh]

At this point it’s just Us three talking

[midnight moon]

moose will we get it ? :p

[thorn marsh]

Hopefully

[midnight moon]

i hope too

https://tenor.com/view/finnish-flag-finland-waving-gif-17401167

anyway nn fellow hunters (rl and ingame :p)

[thorn marsh]

What are you hoping for in terms of the waterfowl rework?

[lunar crag]

next we need a map set in the carpathians 🇺🇦

[deft widget]

do fallow live in finland?

[lunar crag]

no needzones

[deft widget]

unfortunately they said geese are getting need zones

[wispy aurora]

Try 2 years

[glacial summit]

africa

[lunar crag]

nah they're fucking joking

that's gonna ruin hunting geese

[deft widget]

i wish

[wispy aurora]

🙏💯

[thorn marsh]

Try two seconds bitch

[lunar crag]

it's the most unique hunting in the game but no, they want everything to be a needzone hopper

[deft widget]

but it was confirmed

[lunar crag]

lets protest everyone

[deft widget]

i agree

[wispy aurora]

We tried and failed

[lunar crag]

against the evil needzone enforcers

[glacial summit]

this

[lunar crag]

they sometimes completely ignore us

needzones are stupid in general

[glacial summit]

to much of this community is braindead to make it happen

[thorn marsh]

I hope more realistic landings/takeoffs instead of going strait up or strait down and I hope geese can land on water

[lunar crag]

agreed

[thorn marsh]

I also hope that only a few brake off instead of all of them

[midnight moon]

agreed

[glacial summit]

hawaii

[lunar crag]

all they want is to massacre animals for their stupid goofy rare 1 in 5000 deer

or other animal

[lunar crag]

plus flying faster and not making such sharp turns

[midnight moon]

i dont care not diamand hunting 😂

[lunar crag]

same

like, sure it's enjoyable to get one but I just hunt casually

[wispy aurora]

They tried making a map with not many lakes and yet people complained about no drink zones so they made Mississippi

[lunar crag]

which map was that

[midnight moon]

gator map

[wispy aurora]

Then the NA stuff happened so now I’m just waiting to see what’s the hot topic next

[lunar crag]

Great plains map with no drinkzones would be lit 😎

[thorn marsh]

Yes and I hope their wings flap faster it’s a small detail but it’ll make them much more realistic

[lunar crag]

plus maybe remodeling geese to be more slim instead of a barrel shaped body

like irl

[wispy aurora]

I like how no one complains about the duck call being upside down

[lunar crag]

look how slim he is

[lunar crag]

really?

[wispy aurora]

Yes

[lunar crag]

it's upside down?

bruh

[wispy aurora]

Someone said it years ago and I haven’t forgotten it since

[thorn marsh]

Also in cotw you can see them from a mile away but in real life in such big ducks like mallards come in out of nowhere irl because they’re so fast

[wispy aurora]

Why they’re fun

[midnight moon]

cant make everybody happy. all i know people didnt like new map also due to before fix all day rain. not easy to find small game. (bushes etc covered lot) travel on the map

[wispy aurora]

Then cotw exist and you just gotta wait for them to come in at a mile an hour

So hopefully they’re s little faster now

[midnight moon]

some people want it easy :₩

[lunar crag]

why did they make the ducks so round

[wispy aurora]

Only if the sensitivity wasn’t slow as a snail lol

[lunar crag]

they're pretty slim irl

[inland night]

Are they releasing a full trailer on the new map next Tuesday?

[wispy aurora]

🤷‍♂️

[thorn marsh]

Not confirmed but looking at previous map schedules yea probably

[deft widget]

i've killed some fat ducks

northerns

[uneven bloom]

The entire game is built around the need zone system.

If you want something different, try Classic.

[lunar crag]

k

[thorn marsh]

Yeah but I’ve killed some pretty slim ones too

[deft widget]

ohp there it goes

[deft widget]

i reeaalllly hope if pintails are added they are slim

[wispy aurora]

It just for waterfowl we want a change

[thorn marsh]

True I killed a beautiful drake pintail a while ago one of my best ducks

I had the best duck hunt of my life a few months back in 2021

We killed a total of 22 whistling ducks and 3 mottled ducks (Florida Mallards)

[stiff leaf]

hmm, should i add .22 truncated cone bullet and the waterfowl rework to the map stuffs

[thorn marsh]

Probably

Maybe

Imma head out I’ll probably talk to the same people tomorrow😂

[stiff leaf]

later!

[deft widget]

ye same i shot one earlier this year had a 6in sprig first one too

[lunar crag]

They should completely change the game mechanics

[uneven bloom]

That would involve making an entirely new game.

[mighty dove]

Let’s change the game mechanics because it’s that easy

[tawdry wing]

people are gonna complain that they can't hit it at 5278934 meters away

[wispy aurora]

Us clasic players with .2% accuracy on our .22s and .17s

[peak cedar]

[lunar crag]

Or tweak them to be less grindy

[mighty dove]

That’s better

[midnight moon]

5 minutes

5 minutes without talk

Gotta be a record for today

[mighty dove]

And you ruined it 😔

[midnight moon]

I do that a lot today

[mighty dove]

True

[peak cedar]

considering most people are in bed now I don't expect chat to explode haha

speaking of which...I'm going that way too lmao. It's late. 😅

[tawdry wing]

those are rookie numbers gotta pump those down

[wispy aurora]

Ong I’m trying

Just too good

[tight fox]

Wgat

[midnight moon]

B o o m

[radiant patio]

🇫🇮

[brave ore]

⁉️

NANI?!

[candid cliff]

Anyone think we should get coon hounds, retrievers, and pointers with the new map. If we get coon hounds they should help us track bear, raccoons, raccoon dogs, and mountain lions. Retrievers should be able to pick up most birds, except turkeys. And Pointers would help track quails, pheasants, grouse and possibly capercaillie. Also make it where the pointers make the birds stay still until you get close to them

Pointer possibly a brittnay

Red bone coon hound

And a chesapeake bay retriever

[candid cliff]

I also wonder if we get a Swedish Mauser

[left jolt]

i really am hoping for a retriever and pointer

[candid cliff]

Same, I hope they do a rarer or non commonly used retrievers or pointers like above

[left jolt]

i feel like that’s less likely than like

a lab and a german shorthair

i think they only added bloodhounds to get the mechanics and models for hunting dogs bc bloodhounds weren’t nearly as requested

and then after those get added im assuming a beagle for rabbits or coonhounds will be next

[gaunt storm]

Imagine chasing Mountain Lions with Coonhounds

[candid cliff]

Yes I agree. However I really hope if we get coonhounds they actually are able to track animals without seeing blood and they can tree lions and bears on SPR or Layton

[left jolt]

would be very cool

well in real life hounds hunt everything from rabbits foxes mountain lions bears

so it would be interesting

[gaunt storm]

But also, you can get a red Bloodhound, name him Ol' Red, and then get a female Bluetick Coonhound

[candid cliff]

I’ve never seen coonhounds chase rabbits that’s mostly beagles and fox hounds

[gaunt storm]

(I assume Bluetick would be a fur option)

[candid cliff]

I see what u did there

[candid cliff]

Technically all coonhounds are around the same breed but different colors like labs

[left jolt]

yeah i just meant hounds in general

[gaunt storm]

I heard it first from Blake Shelton

[gaunt storm]

So, My assumption is fair

[candid cliff]

I know that’s what I was referring to

[left jolt]

cuz like for mountain lions and bears people use like plott hounds as well

bc they’re meaner than coonhounds

coyotes can be ran with dogs too

[candid cliff]

Ok, but coonhounds would do the same and be more versatile

[left jolt]

and deer in some states

it would be very interesting to see if they added that entire new mechanic

[left jolt]

yeah i agree

[candid cliff]

Imagine pit bulls and Great Danes for boar hunting

[left jolt]

for the first hound though i would guess beagles to add more rabbit hunting

[gaunt storm]

I assume we'd rather have labs than GOlden Retrievers

[candid cliff]

They have it with pumas so they could add it to dogs

[left jolt]

labs are definitely most likely for waterfowl

most common duck dog by fat

[candid cliff]

Nah Chesapeake Bay Retrievers are better

[left jolt]

far

chessies would be cool

[candid cliff]

They’re meaner and bigger

[left jolt]

labs are more popular dogs though

[gaunt storm]

Either way, a waterfowl retriever is probably next, given what the next map is about

[candid cliff]

And more rare for hunting

[left jolt]

so i feel like they would add them

next 3 dogs will probably be

lab

some kind of upland pointer/flusher

then beagles

[candid cliff]

Yes, but classic had them so I doubt they would do it again

[left jolt]

then larger hound

[left jolt]

they probably will tbh

[wispy aurora]

They 100% will

Labs are the most popular retrievers

[candid cliff]

I know, but Chesapeake would be cooler

And more rare since they added blood hounds for hunting which I’ve never seen used, mostly coonhounds are used

[gaunt storm]

If they ever add a German Shorthair Pointer, maybe I can convince my dad to get this game

[vivid cosmos]

did anyone noticed that in the steam page for the new map they have a whole point for Hiking?

the screen shots look insanely cool too

I'm now sure that the map is just the back part of a huge update with the rework, the hiking and the boats

[vapid garden]

I think they're trying to give people more things to do than just hunt, since that what the last survey was about

[gaunt storm]

It would be nice if Mississippi actually offered the activities alluded to

[vivid cosmos]

yeah, that's cool I mean it could become the biggest outdoors sim

[gaunt storm]

Darts, Cornhole, axe throwing

[vapid garden]

Stuff like better POIs to explore and stuff, and hopefully they bring back collectables

[vivid cosmos]

but we are not going to get survival elements, the game just doesn't work with those

[elder wind]

Shed hunting again pls

[vivid cosmos]

oh yeah and Side missions

[elder wind]

Mhm

[gaunt storm]

This

I just want mini games

[vivid cosmos]

yeah could be cool

[gaunt storm]

pool in the Safari lodge

[vivid cosmos]

the maps are so vast and they add so much history to every fictional reserve and stuff that they leave everyone waiting for something else to do, we want to dig deeper

[abstract falcon]

Who feels like they have the accurate species list?

[gaunt storm]

I do like the POIs. I've learned real stuff from them

[vivid cosmos]

but with the scheduled releases EW cant really get that deep

[elder wind]

Nobody does

[vivid cosmos]

I want snow geese and speckle belly

[elder wind]

Look in this channel’s pinned for what we have so far

[gaunt storm]

The game taught me about a cousin to tequila, and it was banned for a time in Mexico

[round pine]

I wish the maps were more populated away from the water

[gaunt storm]

Never knew that Mexico had its own prohibition

[vivid cosmos]

we didn't have a prohibition

just that liquor was banned

[round pine]

Same

[elder wind]

Well technically irl animals stay fairly close to water sources

[round pine]

Bruh what

[vivid cosmos]

yeah thats a big part of the game lol

everybody hunts water

[round pine]

Most animals aren’t that close to water irl. Unless you live in a desert most animals don’t spend much time near water

[gaunt storm]

Moose certainly do

They are the Hippos of the pines

[round pine]

I mean not as much as you think

[vivid cosmos]

true it's way too open

[gaunt storm]

I have never seen a moose IRL farther than 400 yards of water

[round pine]

Bruh

You must not see many moose then

[gaunt storm]

And I've seen 5

[round pine]

Yeah

Hardly any lol

Cuz they are away from water all the time

[vivid cosmos]

and most herbivores get their hydration from the plants and carnivores from blood

[elder wind]

And you have?

[round pine]

Yes

[deft widget]

ive seen a cow moose about 200 away from a creek in idaho

[gaunt storm]

My bar was 400

[vivid cosmos]

moose are semi aquatic

[gaunt storm]

Exactly

[deft widget]

basically big non-flying ducks

[gaunt storm]

They hold their breath for up to a minute look for food at the botoom of ponds

[round pine]

I am aware lol

[gaunt storm]

They do not like to stray far from water

[round pine]

They do all the time

[vivid cosmos]

their diet is like 60 percent algae

[round pine]

During the winter they eat mostly trees

[vivid cosmos]

but most other animals don't get so near to water just in the desert and Sahavana

[round pine]

The moose on the prairies aren’t at water as much as you think

[elder wind]

“Respectable women getter”? Your bio says it all lol

[round pine]

It’s clearly a meme dude

Like it’s pretty obvious

[vivid cosmos]

its not common behavior for animals to go to the water everyday

[round pine]

Yeah

Especially for hours at a time

[vivid cosmos]

also its not the point nor the place to make that a part of the discussion

[round pine]

Yeah. Only said anything cuz he brought it up

Anyways

I’m hoping we get some cool duck and goose species

[vivid cosmos]

Heck yes

And probably the moose GO

[gaunt storm]

Geese for me

And maybe musk ox

[vivid cosmos]

Are there musk ox in Finland?

[gaunt storm]

Yes, but not natively

[vivid cosmos]

On the coniferous forest part of it I mean

[round pine]

They are way smaller than people think

[gaunt storm]

There's no lesser kudu in SOuth Africa either

So, musk ox in Finland is not a stretch

[vivid cosmos]

In that case it could definitely be cool

And it's a somewhat requested specie so like you said, not a stretch

[wispy aurora]

Tell me you’re joking

[gaunt storm]

He's not

[vivid cosmos]

To be Clear the part of carnivores I'm not that sure I was told so in this chat

[wispy aurora]

That is definitely wrong lol

[round pine]

Yeah lol

[gaunt storm]

They don't get all of their hydration that way, but they do a lot of it, but it also depends on the animal. Mule Deer almost do, except on dry years, but elk do not

But even mule deer have to drink

Eventually

[round pine]

Well yes

They would die

[wispy aurora]

Predators get all their water from water sources like all animals

[vivid cosmos]

Thanks for the correction then, I'll stop the misinformation spread

[gaunt storm]

It would not do well to camp on a pond for mule deer, but it would for elk

[round pine]

More so cuz of wallows but yes

[gaunt storm]

As for pronghorn, I've heard that's the only way to archey hunt them that isn't frustrating

Cause their eyesight is stupid good

Like, spot a coyote a mile off good\

[round pine]

Nah

You can spot and stalk them

[gaunt storm]

You can, but you're condemning yourself yo hunting hell

[round pine]

It’s not that bad

[gaunt storm]

You'll eventually get one, sure

[round pine]

Most archery seasons are during the rut and they are incredibly dumb during the rut. They come running at the sight of white lol

[wispy aurora]

People drive and shot them from trucks trust me they could care less about you walking a thousand yards away

[round pine]

Driving and shooting them from trucks do be kinda lame tho

[wispy aurora]

But it happens

[vivid cosmos]

And illegal :v

[round pine]

Yeah lol

Depends where

It is here

[gaunt storm]

Where ther hell IS that legal?

[wispy aurora]

Not for pronghorn

[vivid cosmos]

In America it always does lol

[candid cliff]

Nah, it’s legal in Texas

[wispy aurora]

Many places

[wispy aurora]

Incorrect

[round pine]

Lol

Have to be 50 yards from a truck in Alberta

[wispy aurora]

That’s an easy way to get a fine

[candid cliff]

Literally have seen people shoot out of there trucks in Texas for wt and pronghorn

[round pine]

Doesn’t mean it’s legal

[gaunt storm]

That where you from?

[wispy aurora]

Literal criminals

[vivid cosmos]

True

[round pine]

I have seen people driving and stopping for deer in mountain zones during hunting season. It is still illegal to hunt 325m from a road there

But it happens all the time

[candid cliff]

Really Frogman

[vivid cosmos]

So Texas is a No but where is it Legal then

[wispy aurora]

Thats for bird hunting

[vivid cosmos]

And for water stuff

[gaunt storm]

"Hunt animals and non migratoiry bird:

[candid cliff]

It says animals so that is all

[wispy aurora]

Keep reading

I’m familiar with the law

[candid cliff]

Where does it say that you cannot kill an animal from a car or truck

[gaunt storm]

That's froma road, not a vehicle

[round pine]

.

[gaunt storm]

two different things

[round pine]

Most people are driving on roads

[candid cliff]

Yes, so it’s legal unless from a road which the question was can u shoot from a vehicle which u can

[wispy aurora]

Literally seen people arrested from hunting in their truck

[gaunt storm]

Not in Texas. Least not hunting

[wispy aurora]

Private property no shit people do what they want

[candid cliff]

Not if your hunting fields or hills which the argument was started off of pronghorn hunting

[quaint lintel]

I'm thinking ... in future, we can get second Nordic map in Sweden or Norway ... there is still space on the world map.

[wispy aurora]

But in other states you can hunt public roads from a vehicle

[candid cliff]

Just admit your wrong and move on

[wispy aurora]

How about no

[gaunt storm]

Not here in CO. 50 feet from the center

[wispy aurora]

.

[round pine]

Who tf is driving in a field looking for pronghorn

[vivid cosmos]

You know where we have a ton of place? in the Himalayas and north Africa if we combine those places and stuff them as full as in the USA we can fit like 10 more maps

[round pine]

So Lazy lol

[uneven bloom]

#🦝︴off-topic

[round pine]

Yeah that would be cool

[gaunt storm]

I thibnk they need to redo the map menu. According to this, Parque is in the Amazon Rainforest

[round pine]

I really would like to see some African maps

[vivid cosmos]

Yeah

[gaunt storm]

When it's supposed to be in the Patagonia Pampas

[quaint lintel]

Parque should me lowered half a continent, I agree

[vivid cosmos]

I'm afraid that if they redo the map they will make more space in north America

[prime hare]

For the record: No hunting from a truck in Finland

[candid cliff]

Sorry I mean prairie

[gaunt storm]

But also, one more NA map is needed. Just one and the continent is closed: Texas Hill COuntry, game ranch

[quaint lintel]

One day we'll get an Amazon map, Parque will have to be lowered then

[gaunt storm]

I figured lol

[prime hare]

You aren't even allowed to track an animal with a vehicle, so...

[vivid cosmos]

Nor in Mexico and we are a Lawless bunch

[candid cliff]

Yes, I want to hunt exotics like scimitar horned oryx or addras gazelle

[gaunt storm]

And their maps cannot be added

[vivid cosmos]

Filled to the brim with GOs

[wispy aurora]

.

no

[vivid cosmos]

A good Texas farm

High fenced

[gaunt storm]

That should be the LAST NA map

[wispy aurora]

High fence do be dumb

[vivid cosmos]

10 km²

[gaunt storm]

bigger

[candid cliff]

Nah I want to get a grand slam of turkey

[quaint lintel]

I'm gonna make the COTW world map of 2030s in a sec lol (using new map's logo) and compare it to today's

[round pine]

Please never add a high fence map

[wispy aurora]

^

Parque was enough

[vivid cosmos]

Filled with GOs

[candid cliff]

True, like I want it styled like the blue bull hunt on Meat Eater

[gaunt storm]

No it's not. We'll never get Markhors otherwise

[radiant patio]

so the new map is based on ruokolahti?

[wispy aurora]

It’ll be better to have an actual map with the animals in their actual habitat

[candid cliff]

U can hunt them else where

[radiant patio]

because of the balancing stone

[gaunt storm]

Not gonna happen with Markhors

[candid cliff]

Can’t hunt them there they are endangered or the country band hunting

[wispy aurora]

The whole point for high fence is for lazy fat rich losers to not have to travel

[gaunt storm]

They said they will never add such maps out of cultural respect

[wispy aurora]

^

[vivid cosmos]

Yes but for species from the Amazon we will never get a map because all the Amazon is protected

[wispy aurora]

So it wouldn’t even matter

[gaunt storm]

Ergo Texas is required

[wispy aurora]

Oh no, no marsh deer the one animal there

[vivid cosmos]

Well then we should have Mexican jungle or African jungle

[midnight moon]

Not how it works

[candid cliff]

How is hunting non endangered animals in the U.S affect cultural respect

[midnight moon]

Also the whole respect culture and laws thing is duuumb

I’m dropping tac nukes in COD and no one cares

[gaunt storm]

Cause they can't add the maps of their native habitats

[wispy aurora]

Texas has an actual ecosystem that could be added and not some perverse exotic ranch

[midnight moon]

You wanna know how many laws that would violate

[candid cliff]

So chamois don’t originally live in NZ neither do WT in Finland but they are added

[midnight moon]

Using a nuke would probably get me the fastest death penalty in US history

[wispy aurora]

Those aren’t a political tool though

[gaunt storm]

Your point?

[wispy aurora]

Elephants and rhinos are

[midnight moon]

Nothing originally lived in NZ

Besides kiwi

[wispy aurora]

Also that

[gaunt storm]

And a fuckton of other birds

[vivid cosmos]

Just sheep

[midnight moon]

Yeah, whatever

[midnight moon]

Really?

[candid cliff]

You said because they aren’t in their natural habitat but those species aren’t and they were added

[vapid garden]

NZ doesn't have any native mammals besides like bats and seals

[midnight moon]

I think they should add dalls to Yukon

[vivid cosmos]

Well anyways the new map is going to be cool, the waterfowl rework is going to be cool but when will we get retrievers?

[radiant patio]

Finland is gonna be awesome

🇫🇮

[midnight moon]

🇺🇸

[wispy aurora]

Kiwis

[radiant patio]

i think the map is in ruokolahti since they added the stone

[gaunt storm]

Let me lay it out, They cannot add maps of India, Nepal, or any "Stahn" country, for cultural respect (their idea), this bars Blue Sheep ,markhors, and other such games, but theyu are found in Texas to

[midnight moon]

sheep are introduced as well

[midnight moon]

I was gonna say

Most of New Zealand's lack of ungulates like deer was made up for by moas

[vapid garden]

kiwis are not mammals

[candid cliff]

Also U.S game ranches that allow hunting of these endangered species (which are only endangered in their natural habitat) are the reasons why they aren’t extinct

[midnight moon]

with different moa species occupying different habitats

[gaunt storm]

But i digress

[midnight moon]

Digressed

[vivid cosmos]

Did moas evolved into kiwis?

[midnight moon]

Still praying for centeral Asia ngl

[candid cliff]

Really had to do that to him

[midnight moon]

Map would be actually fire

[candid cliff]

Most animals there are endangered

[quaint lintel]

Are y'all ready

[gaunt storm]

Mongolia. They have Cervus Canadensis elk

[midnight moon]

No…?

[prime hare]

I want all the maps in the future, but I have no problems waiting

[midnight moon]

Yeah Maral elk

And sheep

[candid cliff]

Well at least most big animals

[gaunt storm]

Mongolia is the only Asian map I see getting added

[midnight moon]

No, moas and kiwis are not very closely related and existed at the same time

[vivid cosmos]

I just want a sheep and goat mountain map like in mongolia

[candid cliff]

What is this about

[vapid garden]

no they probably got hunted to extinction by humans and a combination of other things

[midnight moon]

I just want a map with realistic topography

[vapid garden]

either way they ded

[vivid cosmos]

I don't care about the topography I want cool views and nice animal models

[candid cliff]

I want mostly Middle Eastern maps for Marco Polo sheep, Blue Sheep, Markhor, and Ibex

[midnight moon]

And taliban

I here they’re rutting this time of year

[gaunt storm]

I just realized that the brown bear makes this the first map in a LONG time that has an animal larger than class 6

[quaint lintel]

So I know I used the new map's logo for this ... but imagine all the new maps in late 2020s with their own logos at these places.
• World Map - June 2022
• World Map - late 2020s

[vapid garden]

A map with more mountains would be nice

[round pine]

Lmfao

[vapid garden]

cause hunting ibex on cuatro kinda sucks

[vivid cosmos]

The new parque will be the Australian map

[midnight moon]

It do be not fun

[gaunt storm]

Siberian Ibex in Mongoilia?

[midnight moon]

Probably

They have a few

[round pine]

I can’t see them doing that many maps in Northern Europe

[gaunt storm]

They'd be cool

[midnight moon]

Still hoping for a VDB but I think my dreams of that died

[round pine]

Lol

Val is such a good map. Would be perfect

[vivid cosmos]

Yeah it was supposedly the big mountain map and SRP did a much better job of it and the worst part is that SRP only has one high mountain specie

[gaunt storm]

They could add a Romanian map too, Alpine Ibex

[vapid garden]

SRP and Te Awaroa both have really good mountain hunting but ye you're right

and awaroa only has chamois

me when no tahr 😭

[gaunt storm]

Do the Feral goats not go up there?

[midnight moon]

No

I hiked up to the top of the mountain

0 chamois

None

I was so pissed

[gaunt storm]

Maybe that'll change

Maybe

[midnight moon]

who kissed u 😳

[candid cliff]

They used to but not anyone

[round pine]

Dude got kissed at the top of the mountain 💀

[midnight moon]

That was the only reason I bought TE awaroa

[vapid garden]

You can find them pretty high up but they don't go past the snow for some reason

[midnight moon]

Some hot New Zealander 😏

[round pine]

Lmao

[midnight moon]

Chamois should never go below the tree line

[round pine]

Yeah

[vivid cosmos]

Yeah we were stolen tahr from TA and they mocked us with the animal logo

[midnight moon]

Same with mountain goats

If the mountain goats exclusively lived in the red

10/10

Would be SO FUN to hunt

Have all their need zones up there

[vapid garden]

@ TreeKiwi

[midnight moon]

Maybe…

[gaunt storm]

They crave that mineral

Ha! Imagine a mineral zone for goats

[midnight moon]

That’s the thing they do that irl

[gaunt storm]

Like "Mineral zone"

[midnight moon]

Here we have goats that live at 13k feet year round

[vivid cosmos]

Also there was a heavy rumor for Rancho that it was going to have Barbary sheep, imagine the mountain of Rancho with something to hunt on it and the little water hole from the mountain to be the drink zone for the sheep

[gaunt storm]

CO timberline is 11,500

[midnight moon]

They don’t really go down below the tree line (yes I know they do in some ranges, but not in the kind of mountains SRP is

[midnight moon]

I’m not in CO🫠

[gaunt storm]

Barbary sheep are from the Atlas Mountains of Morrocco, Algeria, and Tunisia

[midnight moon]

Also I get they had to stretch things out having antelope up to mountain goat on the same map

But still

[midnight moon]

If only Rancho had a sheep species that lived in the mountains

Oh wait…

[vivid cosmos]

We have a good population in northern Mexico too and they are a very popular hunting target for international hunters

[round pine]

Lmao

[midnight moon]

Crappy topography and aniamls in the wrong spots is my biggest gripe with the game

I wish Bighorn ranged into the mountains in Rancho

[gaunt storm]

They should split the bigghorns into Rocky Mountain and desert.

same with mule deer

[vivid cosmos]

The bighorn are low mountain sheep they don't even go up in SRP

[round pine]

They should be higher up

[midnight moon]

Also dumb

[vapid garden]

coues deer wen 😳

[midnight moon]

They are not quite goat country

[vivid cosmos]

And ugly in game

[midnight moon]

But they’re pretty high up

[quaint lintel]

Is that snow on the ground?! Snowing like on Yukon? 👀

[midnight moon]

Dude dude dude

[midnight moon]

That’s rocks

[round pine]

Although sheep do go fairly low compared to goats

[vivid cosmos]

It's sand, it's common in beaches and coasts

[prime hare]

or rocks

[gaunt storm]

I guess Anakin's gonna hate this map

[midnight moon]

My 2 favorite picks probably ever

[vivid cosmos]

Yeah I hate them

[round pine]

Yeah the sheep horns should not be that curled

[midnight moon]

Like copy the Mouflon

The Mouflon look good

[round pine]

Yeah the mouflon are perfectly fine

[vivid cosmos]

I was so excited when they got announced and when I saw them in the trailer I lost it

[vapid garden]

maybe they'll rework some of the other animals after waterfowl

Was SRP on the list for a redistribution

[gaunt storm]

Maybe they are rn

[vivid cosmos]

Best sheep in game, not quite fluffy enough but they are good enough

[round pine]

Yeah

[quaint lintel]

I guess that's why only diamonds are that much curled

[midnight moon]

And Mouflon look fire

Cuatro really is one of the best maps

[gaunt storm]

Still not justified

[midnight moon]

All the racks are spot on

Besides reds

But that’s a different story

[vivid cosmos]

The bighorn have the tiniest curl and they should have the widest one

[vapid garden]

Whitetail and blacktail aren't great imo but they're passable

[midnight moon]

I’m talking cuatro

But yeah

They’re fine I guess

Elk? Bad bad bad

[candid cliff]

Their racks are alright but they just look a little odd

[vivid cosmos]

The Ibex could go a bit crazier on length tho

The only one with the full exploited potential is the beceite

[midnight moon]

Nothing wrong with that

[round pine]

Whitetail are pretty bad

[vivid cosmos]

Yeah the beceite is fine

But the Gredos looks a bit small, irl they get almost as long as beceite

[deft widget]

here in WA we can hunt ducks from a motorized boat but it has to be turned off on public

[wispy aurora]

Lmao

[wispy aurora]

When everyone forgets about desert bighorn 😔

[deft widget]

i wish they were desert on rancho

[midnight moon]

~~I want jaguars in Rancho 😔 ~~

[vivid cosmos]

Bighorn in game are ugly as sin I ACTIVELY WANT TO FORGET THEM

[wispy aurora]

Well they’re endangered so

[midnight moon]

yeah obviously they're not going to be added

but the scrubland is perfect jag habitat

[vivid cosmos]

And they don't live in northern mexico

Anymore

[wispy aurora]

Dog…. I was saying that everyone forgets they exist and want Aoudad for some reason calm down

[midnight moon]

Desert bighorn endangered

What

[vivid cosmos]

Sorry for the screams

[midnight moon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Jaguar_Reserve

Oh jaguars

[vivid cosmos]

Jaguars

Ye

[midnight moon]

Yea

[wispy aurora]

Mexican Jaguar

[candid cliff]

Some are still found there in small areas

Just not hunted

[vivid cosmos]

Not that I've heard of

[wispy aurora]

Guess I didn’t see them

[candid cliff]

Some are seen in Arizona and New Mexico

[midnight moon]

tbh if m*dding was a thing, I would add jags into Mississippi and SRP as well, where they were also once found

[wispy aurora]

Once

[vivid cosmos]

Were seen like a 100 years ago

[candid cliff]

He was talking about Jags

[candid cliff]

No like last year

[midnight moon]

there are still males that wander into the US every so often

[wispy aurora]

Still seen

[candid cliff]

jaguar in arizona - Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?q=jaguar+in+arizona&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi6ycqRyNb3AhVyCJ0JHXkAC9AQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=jaguar+in+&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQARgAMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBAgAEEMyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDoKCCMQ7wMQ6gIQJzoICAAQsQMQgwE6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOgcIIxDvAxAnOgcIABCxAxBDOggIABCABBCxA1DdCFiKHGDaJmgCcAB4AIABWIgB8QWSAQIxMJgBAKABAbABBcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=TzV7YvrlF_KQ9PwP-YCsgA0&bih=664&biw=390&client=safari&prmd=sinv&hl=en-us#imgrc=BqcCM15WttftFM

[wispy aurora]

Jags are seen here also, it’s in the Fish and Games handbook about shooting them

At least used to be

[midnight moon]

Arizona Fish and Wildlife have confirmed multiple males entering the state over the last decade or two

[vapid garden]

😏

[midnight moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IZn6TN0Juk

[candid cliff]

However don’t fish and game say there are no Easter Mountain Lions even though they are seen all the time in PA and Canada

[vivid cosmos]

Welp I better eat my words and go to sleep

[wispy aurora]

That’s east coast F&G they’re dumb

[vivid cosmos]

Although only seven jags since 1996 aren't enough to be added to a map

[languid wedge]

No they have confirmed they aint Eastern mountain lions are extinct they are Western subspecies but yes mountain lions / pumas are in the east

[midnight moon]

I know this is offtopic but just a reminder that during the colonial era, there were accounts of jaguars from California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Colorado, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, North and South Carolina, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York. The jaguar was as much a North American animal as it is a South American one

[candid cliff]

Ok just wondering, it’s the theory like they screwed the genetics like Florida Panther and the U.S covered it up

[vapid garden]

carolina parakeet my beloved

[candid cliff]

But still they said the subspecies Eastern Mountain lions are still extinct even though many people have seen them way farther than a normal western would travel

[wispy aurora]

Eh idk about none border states I can’t find a map that puts them above mid Texas

[languid wedge]

The mountain lion that got killed in Massachusetts by getting hit by a car was a descendant of mountain lions from Black hills in South Dakota

[glacial summit]

we talking aoudad???

[glacial summit]

Pog

Love aoudad

[wispy aurora]

Outlying as in unconfirmed

[midnight moon]

These maps are referring to their range during the 1900s. This extensive post on reddit compiles various accounts from the 1700s and 1800s showing that jaguars were well established deep into the Lower 48 https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguarland/comments/oaglrg/a_case_for_the_jaguar_as_a_native_animal_of_the/

would definitely recommend checking it out

[wispy aurora]

Reddit💀

[candid cliff]

what I’m saying is that U.S fish and game screwed up genetics of Eastern making them extinct by interbreeding with westerns kinda like they did Florida Panthers

[glacial summit]

@wispy aurora fill me in whats the argument

[languid wedge]

Wut

[wispy aurora]

Idk anymore

[candid cliff]

Jags and Eastern Mountain Lions

[glacial summit]

Idk I just saw tall saying stuff about em

[glacial summit]

Both exists yus

[vapid garden]

Reddit vs "I searched up 'Jaguar Range' maps on google images"

[languid wedge]

Us fish and game didn't screw up genetics it's more they started going extinct around the turn of the century because of people killing them and fight for food

[wispy aurora]

Oh I made a joke that was taken serious

[languid wedge]

No jaguars are still very existent

[glacial summit]

Yes?

[wispy aurora]

Reddit vs I chose websites with actual data

[languid wedge]

Nvm I read that as extinct

[candid cliff]

But the idea is they messed up the genetics of them making them extinct

[prime hare]

Heres my estimate for the Finland-species. There's 20, so I think no wolves: Whitetail Deer, Roe Deer, Moose, Eurasian Lynx, Red Fox, Brown Bear, European Hare, Eurasian Beaver, Racoon Dog, Canada Goose, Greylag Goose, Mallard Duck, Eurasian Wigeon, European Quail, Common Pheasant, Western Capercaillie, Black Grouse, Wild Boar, Reindeer (farmed, not hunted), Gray Wolf (hunted only for protecting the farmed Reindeer, endangered)

[glacial summit]

Jaguar aren’t extinct?

[midnight moon]

lmfao

[vapid garden]

I bet you did 😎

[midnight moon]

i feel like they should make my friend aiden able to be hunted

beaver would be a cool addition

that would be interesting

I would hunt the shit out of aiden

wanna see em? i got a few model references

[prime hare]

Beavers would behave like alligators

[wispy aurora]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Historical-and-current-distribution-of-the-northern-jaguar-Panthera-onca-based-on_fig1_261985880

.

[vapid garden]

If they did gators beavers wouldn't be much different for them to work on

[midnight moon]

class 9 for sure with the usual rare albino mel and piebald fur type available aswell

[glacial summit]

Looks legit ngl

[languid wedge]

Holy shit that's a lot of writing and words

In that post

[midnight moon]

yeah the dude did some pretty extensive research

[wispy aurora]

Okay literally read the whole thing and all that information exactly mimics my map and information

[candid cliff]

Lol

[midnight moon]

yeah I don't think the two are conflicting lol

the map you linked does acknowledge the accounts outside of Texas/Arizona/New Mexico

[wispy aurora]

Those reports above the line I mentioned in the map are unverifiable and lose to interpretation

[candid cliff]

I wish we could hunt Jags because they have them in B&C club records but they can’t be increased in score

[wispy aurora]

As stated here

[midnight moon]

actually outlying doesn't mean unconfirmed, it means "situated far from a center; remote."

notice how the map you linked has a seperate legend for uncertain accounts, which is different from outlying

[wispy aurora]

Then my apologies

[midnight moon]

no problem man, glad we could keep things civil lol

[candid cliff]

B&C World's Record - Jaguar | Boone and Crockett Club

https://www.boone-crockett.org/bc-worlds-record-jaguar

[midnight moon]

wow, almost 250 pounds is quite large for a Mexican jag

[candid cliff]

It would look so cool in a lodge next to a leopard if we get them

[wispy aurora]

The redditor also stats “He personally believes, and that these are speculations not actual fact”

[midnight moon]

Right, the reason why the maps of historical jaguar range only show california, arizona, new mexico, and texas are because it's only from these areas that we have photographic proof of jaguars

accounts outside of these areas came from times when photography was not accessible, we're talking the 1700s

so we only have oral and written accounts to rely on

[wispy aurora]

They were also limited accounts

[round pine]

But does it matter if they used to be there? Cuz they aren’t now

[wispy aurora]

Like the natives also said they saw large men in the woods but that doesn’t men there’s giants in Appalachia

[round pine]

Lol

[simple silo]

is there any news about side missions coming back?

[wispy aurora]

That would be a nice addition

[midnight moon]

I suppose the reason I bring it up is imply because it's interesting to realize that jaguars were a part of the US ecosystems that we're so familiar with

[wispy aurora]

Lacked those in srp and yukon

[simple silo]

loved them on old maps ;/

[bitter badger]

Or does it?

[wispy aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/the-truth-is-out-there-xfiles-i-want-to-believe-stay-woke-believe-gif-4861962

Dont care it’s staying

[candid cliff]

In the ice age we had cheetahs, that’s why pronghorn evolved to be so fast

[wispy aurora]

Why I study Texas ecology for fun

[candid cliff]

Misery Eco > Texas Eco

[candid cliff]

Ha we are allowed to hunt black bears

Now

[midnight moon]

this is a bit of a stretch no? Let's think about this logically. When colonists first arrived in the US, they were not aware that jaguars were even a real animal. But soon, they began to describe accounts of meeting large, spotted cats in the woods. They called these "american tygers" which they clearly differentiated from the "lion" or mountain lion. Comparing this to accounts of bigfoot seems quite fallacious. Is it really so improbable that jaguars once occupied the temperate forests of the Southeast? We know that jaguars in South America occupy similar habitat. To me, it seems much more unlikely that colonists would have simply made up tales of animals matching the exact description of jaguars in habitats that they very well could have occupied and in areas that are not too far outside of their confirmed range.

[wispy aurora]

Soon

[midnight moon]

Not to mention, we have fossil evidence of jaguars in the Southeast, although from a different subspecies that died out. However, it does show these areas are very well suitable for jaguar populations

[midnight moon]

Yep! Though they weren't true cheetahs, but rather relatives of pumas that evolved cheetah-like adaptations

[candid cliff]

IDK some young cougars have spots and under dark conditions top that with no relative experience in that area you might think your looking at a Jag

[midnight moon]

Here is a newspaper report of a cat killed in Kentucky in 1820. " This animal appeared to be a true Mexican Jaguar. The body was 5 feet long and the tail 2 feet. It weighed 150 pounds before skinning. The back and sides were yellow with black spots curiously arranged in several rows, a row on the back much larger and extending over half of the tail, which was rather slender, with very long hair at the end. Chin, belly, and feet white, ears small round black outside, white inside. Whiskers stiff 6 inches long, black with the end white."

To me, it seems hard to conflate an animal of this size with a juvenile mountain lion

[candid cliff]

Like look at this

They look kinda similar

[midnight moon]

the difference in size is not shown here

[wispy aurora]

I wouldn’t doubt somehow a cat got that far but to say there’s a population is in the air

[midnight moon]

mountain lion cubs are still quite small, whereas the cats these people describe are ones they say are much larger than mountain lions

[candid cliff]

They are around the same age

[vapid garden]

you could say the same with bobcats since they have spots, but a bobcat is still a far cry from a jaguar

[candid cliff]

However Jag and Mountain Lions are around the same size and shape

[midnight moon]

yes, certainly the accounts of jaguars in Pennsylvania and New York could well have simply been lone males wandering outside their territory, like the ones in New Mexico and Arizona today. But to me, it seems quite strange to doubt a population could exist in the Southeast. The conditions are perfect for jaguar. The wetlands of Lousiana, Kentucky, etc are very similar to those they occupy in Bolivia and Paraguay, and they were stocked with plenty of prey for them, such as whitetail, feral hog, alligator, black bear. Of course, you're correct in that we have no conclusive scientific proof that jaguars had a breeding population here, but you have to realize that these accounts are from the 1700 and 1800s, where scientific data collection is nowhere near that of today. To me, it appears that it's more likely that there was a stable population present given that the conditions could have very well supported a jaguar population and we have multiple accounts of both male and female jaguars being killed, but I suppose we could argue for hours about this.

[candid cliff]

The best animals tho I can think to add to the game would be Polar Bears, Musk Ox and Stone Sheep

[molten gust]

[midnight moon]

Sure, I suppose a juvenile mountain lion could be confused for a juvenile jaguar. But these accounts of jaguars that are being killed are adults reaching over 5 feet in length and weighing a lot

Musk ox would be amazing

I would love a true open tundra map, though some might find it boring

[round pine]

I wouldn’t call 150 weighing a lot

[candid cliff]

I was saying tho that some of the accounts could be cougar

[vapid garden]

hairy fake cow

[midnight moon]

150 is not a lot, but certainly above the weight of a juvenile mountain lion

[midnight moon]

Ah I see, yes certainly possible

[candid cliff]

Also the human brain plays tricks a lot in the dark so really people might have seen a small cat with spots and said that it was huge

[midnight moon]

I suppose. I would strongly recommend reading the post I linked though, some of these accounts are from people who treed the jaguars and shot them during the day, where it would be quite hard to mistake this for a mountain lion or some other felid

[candid cliff]

Add to that most people in the 1700s and 1800s didn’t have flash lights

[bitter badger]

Most lol

[candid cliff]

I can understand that, but it seems more reasonable to say that the people were lying or trying to show off, or the jags are being misidentified as cougars or other wild cats

At least looking at todays population and range of Jaguars

I need to go to sleep bye

[midnight moon]

oh ok, take care

[fresh prairie]

I wonder how they handle Capercaillie hunting, because as of now a lot of the species arent being hunted the way they are in real life

The animal behaviour is where this game is really lacking

[quaint lintel]

🇩🇪🇺🇸🇷🇺🇿🇦🇦🇷🇺🇸🇪🇸🇺🇸🇳🇿🇲🇽🇺🇸🇫🇮

[radiant osprey]

The modern flashlight was invented in 1898. Before that people used torches and fire.

[plush plank]

why does this channel exist

is it for new update?

[wispy aurora]

Yeah kinda

[plush plank]

new finland map

hmmm

ig theres mooses in finland

[spring minnow]

Yes. A lot of moose

[long kestrel]

Honkonkoo

[radiant patio]

tereve

[cold dove]

i really hope that they have reindeer on this map

or beaver

[zinc jackal]

I suppose the animal setup could be sort of looking like this: mallard, European hare, fox, raccoon dog, lynx, Roe deer, Fallow deer, moose, Reindeer, Bear, white tail, wild boar, European Bison, capercaillie, black grouse, wolf, wolverine, beaver, geese.

[cold dove]

i hope it but i dont think its gonna be bison or wolverine

sadly

[dire sable]

There is no Bison in Finland and Fallow deer population is small

[cold dove]

was they joking when they said 19 species or were they serius?

[cold dove]

white tail deer polpulation is small too

[hidden quest]

They were serious

[radiant osprey]

i think the try to stick to species that can actually be hunted in the location.

[cold dove]

lets go

i dont think bison is in finland anymore

[dire sable]

Whitetail population is huge in southern Finland

[cold dove]

wtf

how have they not come to northern sweden yet

[dire sable]

Finland is long country. Different species live in south and north

[cold dove]

but i dont think that they would add another whitetail map

[cold dove]

is it much red deer too?

[dire sable]

No red deer

[cold dove]

??

ok

i hope that they add more new species then old ones

[rancid pecan]

Like turkeys obvs

[dire sable]

Here is list of all huntable animals in Finland https://riista.fi/en/hunting/open-seasons/

[cold dove]

they allow artic fox hunting ?!?! 😦

[dire sable]

Artic fox isn't hunted

[regal ferry]

Whitetail are confirmed on the steam page

[cold dove]

ok

[dire sable]

Capercaillie hunting is more like stalking or using dogs like Finnish Spitz or Pointers

[cold dove]

i hope they add muskox

it would be cool

[regal ferry]

They don't live in Finland if I recall

[cold dove]

a little herde wanders from sweden to finland sometimes

still it would be cool

[dire sable]

I'm very excited about Capercaillie and Black Grouse. Hopefully they add Finnish dog breeds also!

[regal ferry]

Think they live to Northern anyway

[radiant osprey]

I expect the 19 will be taken from the list published above. Way more than 19 on that list.

[cold dove]

and second muskox was native untill they where hunted to extincted

and third muskox is now native to norway and sweden

[regal ferry]

Barely, they live in insanely small areas

[cold dove]

is the raccon dog native or invasive?

[regal ferry]

Invasive

[regal ferry]

Which list do you mean?

[radiant osprey]

#🦡︴cotw-scotland message

[rancid pecan]

Yeah..irl
We're talking about a videogame
Developers dont really care, they always (regardless of the studio) go the easy route

[cold dove]

i hope it will be another moose,reindeer,brown bear and wolf map

[empty shuttle]

actually there are going t be several species of waterfowl bc devs said "high variety"

[radiant osprey]

They seem to have a policy that keeps unhuntable species off the maps. European Bison might have been an exception.

[regal ferry]

Brown bear and moose are confirmed, wolf and reindeer are rarely hunted in Finland, but we'll ses

[regal ferry]

Euro bison is very huntable

[zinc jackal]

Also new bullet confirmed. 22LR truncated cone bullet.

[radiant osprey]

not in finland

[regal ferry]

You can go hunt them in Bulgaria and Poland, and I heard in Germany as well

[cold dove]

does euro bison even live in finland???

[regal ferry]

Are they even in Finland?

[radiant osprey]

not according to wikipedia

[dire sable]

Even Classic has Pointers,so should not be too hard task to devs

[regal ferry]

Then I don't think we'll get euro bison XD

[prime hare]

I had no idea we had Fallow Deer in Finland

and I seem to live in an area they habit

[empty shuttle]

also we getting geese but probably not canada maybe greylag geese

[prime hare]

so adding Fallow to my list, no Reindeer I think

[regal ferry]

I'm a bit surprised as well, don't see how those ended up in Finland

[dire sable]

In Hyvinkää and near Turku has some population. Never seen one thou

[regal ferry]

Since all European Fallow population are basically introduced by the Romans and stuff