🦡︴cotw-scotland

[hushed topaz]

And they showed the concept art of the pheasants again

[scarlet bluff]

jaxy said they'll give it about a week or so to show us the fox GOs to see how many we can find out first

[long spade]

Yeah, the tsurugi never really appealed to me either si it was my only option for a long time

[hushed topaz]

Not much of a different from the .300 and it's a good bit heavier so I just don't bother most of the time

[stray basalt]

This should’ve killed her idc

[long spade]

Performance wise yeah, but I can't tolerate the stock. It never felt like a hunting rifle

[stray basalt]

Speaking of capes, this was hair raising, tensest moment in this whole games history

[rough tree]

ough

also ayyy drilling rifle rep

[stray basalt]

It needs a buff

Give it some solids or something!

[rough tree]

give it solids to handle 6-9 or 7-9 animals, give it even more customization options

[pine lily]

9.3x74R was and still is a popular elephant cartridge due to its ability to slam through the frontal bone of the skull

it needs more power

it really should be an equal to the gandhare but with less drop

more powerful, actually, given that it outperforms .577/450 massively IRL

[stray basalt]

I dream of a straight pull in 9.3x73R

[hot rose]

Using the 9.3x73R for its intended use, I see. Very nice.

I hope when another African map comes out, the buffalo receive a remodel.

[stray basalt]

That or tigers

[hot rose]

I haven't used it yet on tigers. Is it fun?

[stray basalt]

First diamond tiger I ever got was flattened by 9.3

[hushed topaz]

I love the sound the 9.3 has but it feels kinda underpowered on class 9s

Used to use it a ton. Should get back to it

[stray basalt]

Needs a heavy buff and more ammo types

[hushed topaz]

Definitely

[stray basalt]

Modern ammo needs to find it’s way into the game.

[long spade]

Yeah

[rough tree]

I still stand by the fact that our 4-8 weapons, 7mm, .45-70, .577/450, and 9.3x74 prove that having a wide range of things you can ethically take with them is a good thing and we should see more of it

[long spade]

Actual goose focused heavy birdshot would make bird hunting less annoying

[rough tree]

^oh and 3-7 weapons like the Mosin-Nagant

[hushed topaz]

Geese are tanks above like 40m away. Sometimes they fly for so long

I've nailed geese twice and they'll fly 250m away still

[rough tree]

Yeah geese are crazy lol

[hushed topaz]

Part of the reason I use the 10ga over the 16ga for em. Sometimes the added power helps

[long spade]

I found one, didn't track it but found it randomly, 460 something yards from my nearest set up

[rough tree]

Also I debated whether or not I wanna get the new park, I think I'm sold on it. New shotgun, clay shooting range, and somewhere that I can feel dedicated to bird hunting without constantly thinking "am I scaring away a diamond (insert medium to large game animal)?"

[iron drum]

In the stream was the reserve explored at all

[hushed topaz]

I'm definitely sold on the new park. I felt that way on Revontuli a lot

[rough tree]

it also just looks really nice, I love the blend of familiar environments alongside beautiful new ones

[long spade]

Yeah, spent almost the entire stream roaming around

[hot rose]

Yes, Jaxy went through the swamplands and open grasslands a bit.

[iron drum]

It look good?

[lone forge]

I love that there's a new map for black grouse ♥️

[rough tree]

the marshy/swampy areas to the northwest look so good

I'll probably spend a lot of time there for waterfowl hunting

[long spade]

It looks good but I'm not into bird hunting so I'm not the one to ask

[fierce bay]

jaxy saw more males at once than i have on rev

[lone forge]

Sometimes that happenes

[rough tree]

Also omg I'm so glad that they're updating the Grounded mechanic to be more forgiving bc oh my god it was so frustrating seeing pheasants that were still very much airborne being considered "grounded"

[hushed topaz]

And ptarmigan

Infuriating 😭

[lone forge]

I'm just happy that we have less other species as "competition" to spawn

[rough tree]

that alongside them getting their flush mechanics updated

[hot rose]

How is their flush mechanic getting updated?

[rough tree]

I don't remember if it has been explained, I've just heard it during today's stream and the reveal stream

[long spade]

I wonder if quail have been changed? They spook from like a hundred yards on MA

[rough tree]

Oh and ducks finally getting fixed to actually land at your decoys and NOT YOUR HEAD is gonna be awesome

alongside them not spooking from scent

[hushed topaz]

All the upland birds seem to spook no matter what as long as they go alert

[hushed topaz]

THIS. Good lord duck hunting was annoying 😭

[hot rose]

Absolutely. I love hunting ducks already and this is going to fill my lodge up to the brim.

[rough tree]

I'll finally be able to dedicate actually-enjoyable duck hunts

[hushed topaz]

Sameeeee

[rough tree]

I still need a 3rd mela mallard, a blonde mallard hen, a diamond mallard (ideally a piebald bc they just look cool, idc that they aren't rare), and an eclipse goldeneye

[hushed topaz]

I need more trophy waterfowl in general. I have a diamond mallard, a diamond Eurasian widgeon and that's it

And a lvl 3 cinnamon teal that refuses to come into decoys and his rest zone

[hot rose]

Maybe he's waiting for the cinnamon teal remodel to get shot.

[hushed topaz]

Perhaps!

Not even closing and reopening the game works. Dude's flock just vanished or something

[lone forge]

I can't wait for they're remodel!

[hushed topaz]

Same! They need it so badly

[verbal peak]

Anyone know the prices of the new dlcs?

[last vigil]

probably gonna be around the same as the other dlcs if not cheaper by a few dollars i would reckon lol

like maps that is since its smaller but who knows

[iron drum]

11.99 USD for reserve, around 4 for the gun and same for the dog I think

Just off of the top of my head

[vale grotto]

Map will probably be the cheaper but everything else will most likely be around the same

[iron drum]

Could be wrong

[long spade]

I kinda wish they had done a longer stream and shown more of the rifle

[torn comet]

meh i will enjoy getting to try them out myself within a week, i wont be watching any content creators so i dont get spoiled of experiencing them myself for the first time

[iron drum]

I'll definitely be picking up all the dlc

Only thing that annoys me is the cosmetic dlc price. Those are the only dlc I don't own.

I might only get one if it has an actual black color

[mystic ruin]

Any species list for Saltwiesen?

[torn comet]

i just rock with those i get + the seasonal cosmetics, i would only buy one if they released one with diff wooden ones to make the rifles look vintage

[torn comet]

it's pinned here

[kind lava]

Salzwiesen Park

• Red Fox ( class 2 ) --> Great One
• Raccoon Dog ( class 2 )
• Common Raccon ( class 2 )
• European Rabbit ( class 1 )
• Black Grouse ( class 1 )
• Ring-Necked Pheasant ( class 1 ) --> Great One
• Eurasian Wigeon ( class 1 )
• Goldeneye ( class 1 )
• Mallard ( class 1 )
• Tufted Duck ( class 1 )
• Eurasian Teal ( class 1 )
• Gadwall ( class 1 ) --> New
• Ferruginous Duck ( class 1 ) --> New
• Greylag Goose ( class 1 )
• Tundra Bean Goose ( class 1 )

15 Species

[iron drum]

Basically 243 and .22/shotgun is all we'll need.

[vale grotto]

Yep.

[plain cosmos]

Nice, finally I can hunt Common Racoons somewhere else that Rev

[winged sun]

nah all you need is the .22H Yellowjacket shoots class 1&2

[plain cosmos]

And that's cool imo

[iron drum]

But with the .22, you can more easily kill more of the same flock

[lone forge]

You already can

NEM and Mississippi have em

[plain cosmos]

Oh, in that case I mean to say Racoon Dog

[lone forge]

Np

[plain cosmos]

As I don't have the game in english so I get confused sometimes

[amber kiln]

I just realized no capercallies on the new park😢

[fierce bay]

they wouldnt have made sense

[amber kiln]

I know, I just want yet another map for them

[fierce bay]

yeah i would have been okay if they where on there

i hope they get backfilled to hirsch

[iron drum]

So many maps need backfilled

[last vigil]

mhm i agree i feel like they will get to it eventually

[plucky forge]

Im not good at englidh , when devs will get early acess?

[lone forge]

Well devs already do but content creators on Friday, 18 o' clock for central europeans

[plucky forge]

Ok , ty

[shut needle]

Looks like a good selection of animals to hunt

[bright barn]

Dec 3 early Christmas 🎄🎅🧑‍🎄🤶

[lone forge]

EW literally can't count to 5

They said 10 birds and 5 mammals

They're are 4 mammals on the map xD

[glossy garnet]

But humans are a mammal and you’re on the map 🤓

[lone forge]

Then they can't to 11 becouse they said 11 birds

[glossy garnet]

lol

Either way they can’t count

[lone forge]

Yes

And I can't write

[dim saffron]

i know... shocked

Also revontuli is down to only Hazel Grouse, Willow Ptarmigan and Rock Ptarmigan as unique species

and Mountain Hare

The south island slowly decreasing in popularity

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[rose terrace]

Is peeing and pooping going to be added to the two previous dogs?

[inland kite]

Most likely

[dusk creek]

Doesnt really matter

Small game trophy rates are gonna skyrocket on all the maps once they release the pointer

[proper wedge]

EW Salzwiesen Park Stream - My Take Away:
-Salzwiesen map looks beautiful, nice layout, lots of marshy open areas for birds, mini-Hirsch.
-German Shorthaired Pointer looks adorable and realistic. They pee, poo, and flush. Who's a good boy.
-Trap Range is very realistic. Clays seemed too low to the ground, blended with grass instead of sky.
-New O/U Shotgun might be the best sight-picture yet - sloped to put sights above receiver and barrel, not obstructed.
-.300 Blackout is fast and snappy, low recoil, sounds good. Will compete with the .243.
-.450 Bushmaster is a stand-out - low recoil, great sound, smooth reload.
-.375 H&H - Where's the beef? Sound wasn't deep or powerful. Bad irons. But, low recoil, fast reload.
-Weapon weights are great: O/U 10GA-3.5, 300BLK-3, 450-3, 375-4.
-Scopes on all 3 new bolt-actions zero out to 300m. No short-range limits like the Moradi!

[scarlet bluff]

do the shorthairs flush on command or automatically?

[glossy garnet]

What does the pointer actually do

[scarlet bluff]

locates animals

and points when it's found something

i'm just hoping that they don't flush automatically

they're pointers so they shouldn't be flushing stuff up without command

[proper wedge]

I don't know, Jaxy didn't say

[scarlet bluff]

should make the labs flush though since they're flushing/retrieving dogs

[abstract lodge]

whats everyones view of maybe adding a small 177 caliber pellet rifle

[scarlet bluff]

we could use another small game rifle

22 is nice for the 22 trick but using it all the time gets boring

[abstract lodge]

springers are the best flusher breed

[scarlet bluff]

i like springers

i just don't know why the gave shorthairs the option to flush instead of labs

[abstract lodge]

people asked for pointers thats y

honestly i dont use dogs they get on my nerves in cotw

[weak smelt]

Real

Bloodhound is useless and i don't even own the retriever

[stray basalt]

I’d rather .22 cal

Because it’s better in every way

[iron drum]

I find the bloodhound pretty useful when you don't get an insta drop

[weak smelt]

Tracking is easy enough tbh

[proper wedge]

Jaxy didn't say this today, but I believe it was stated before that you can Spot an animal and Command your Pointer to Track and find him, so long as it wasn't Fleeing when you spotted it. As you cover the map, the dog will be on the lookout for that specific animal's tracks.

[abstract lodge]

just a nice break barrle pellet rifle old school

[proper wedge]

Find a Max-Weight Track? Go get him, boy! This is big. It could change the way you hunt.

[abstract lodge]

meh

[weak smelt]

Gonna be super helpful with upland birds

And pheasants and quail since they always be a pain to me

[abstract lodge]

what map can i get the longest shot

447 is my best so far but i wanna get 500 of i can

[stray basalt]

SRP

or sundar

[dusk creek]

Srp there are more open spaces

[abstract lodge]

soon as they hit 447 yards the de render

[delicate patio]

Do we know if a higher render distance is possible with this engine? I hope we eventually get one

[stray basalt]

It is not.

[summer pebble]

Try bison at youkon

[stray basalt]

Yukon is a tad too dense

And there’s not enough elevation for the render distance to span out to 500

[glacial summit]

srp hunting mountain goats

get up on a cliff above one of those smaller more central lakes

and you can get 500+

[summer pebble]

I got my longest shot with around 485 there

At yukon

[glacial summit]

Te might have some chances with chamois? unsure about that, and I know you can get long shots on vurhunga but the animals are very rarely where they need to be in order to do it

[stray basalt]

Chamois is definitely possible

Just need to be good at spotting because all the bushes still render

Especially the southern range

[fading gorge]

Yards or metres?

I got a 457m croc on EC

[limpid dock]

Great one fox?

I think a fur like that would look really cool

[night trench]

How? Thats out of render distance

[iron drum]

Pc

[fading gorge]

When you shoot from elevated positions it extends. Ronmctube does a good vid explaining it as do a few other creators.

[night trench]

Didn’t know that, thanks for explaining

[fading gorge]

I got up on top of one of those mountains near the coastline on EC for the shot. Wasnt easy getting up there took a while of jumping 😂

I think King of Kwaks has a 500+ on a bird

[night trench]

Ofc its darn kwaks

[fading gorge]

Rons vid gives you a SRP location to practice from

Not sure if King was even trying for the bird knowing him

This was my croc.

I havent tried the SRP one, I only did EC cause I saw the mountains and made it a goal to climb at least 1 of the big ones. Failed that spire rock 😔

[idle kettle]

ah, a fellow M1 enjoyer.

[idle kettle]

render distance makes me sad given what the game ballistics and scope zeroing are capable of.

[fading gorge]

Would love a longer distance and high regions to shoot. TA snowcaps can be fun to shoot chamois.

I didnt see the specs on these guns coming but curious see how they perform.

Need to go back to the range anyhow as after scope update I changed some reticles and forgot my holdover markers for longer range are not not on the prettier ones or not the same lol.

[quaint lintel]

There is a zeroing change animation on the .375, look at the gun when Jaxy switches zeroing

[hushed topaz]

Oh that's really cool

[dreamy goblet]

We need more details like that ngl.

(And for them to finally fix the Drilling Rifle Sights 😭

[cinder orchid]

That's such a cool detail

[plain star]

Yup, Pythagorean Theorem

[dreamy goblet]

Trigonometry yea.

[fading gorge]

Lol 3rd person to reply. I just was being lazy as it was 1am and theres vids on it and spots to do it.

[rough tree]

I saw! I'd love more stuff like that, like how the .470 has sights that you manually adjust, and the ladder sight for the Gandhare adjusts according to your zero distance

[frigid mountain]

flip flip
lol

[wraith gale]

Any price on the new map?

[night trench]

@amber kiln sorry forgot about the croc here it is

[midnight moon]

No, but since it's such a small map I don't think it'll be $12 like sundar. And they do discounts on the maps when they first release. I would expect it to be $8 at most minus the discount (but don't take my word on it im just guessing)

[stray basalt]

Leaf sights

Like the .470

AHFHFHHFFHDNDHFU

[kind lava]

Obsidian, Saphire, Emerald, Citrine

[stray basalt]

https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/491944241401036800

[bleak ether]

I prefer the Golden Pheasant over the Critine. It looks like a phoenix.

[wind stone]

They did what they could considering the golden pheasant is a completely different species than the ring necked

[dusky wolf]

The great one pheasants look really good, they seem to be hybrids with the obsidian variant having a head covering similar to a golden Chinese pheasant

I hope they do a remaster for the pheasants aswell cus they’re so fat looking currently

[bleak ether]

And about Great One Fallow Deer?

[wind stone]

Fair point

[winged sun]

where’s the other 4?

[lone forge]

Not shown yet

[wind stone]

Those the only ones they released

[dusky wolf]

Probably gonna let us find em ourselves

I hope the head feathers won’t be specific to one variant and can have multiple feather versions for each of the GO variants

[winged sun]

hm oke

[wind stone]

Let’s hope this

[winged sun]

looks like different legs too

[dusky wolf]

There is hybrids between golden pheasants and ring necked pheasants

We need more hybrid types for the birds in general

[winged sun]

Obsidian has high waters on

[proper wedge]

Coincidence? I think not.

[dusky wolf]

Hell we could see hybrids for ptarmigans given they can interbreed with black grouse, capercaillies, hazel grouse, spruce grouse and other ptarmigan species

I hope the gadwalls will get hybrid plumage types

[bleak ether]

I prefer the Great One in a way that a trophy is in its maximum splendor, or some other similar species, such as the golden pheasant or the silver pheasant, which are rare or exotic species in a reserve.

Thinking about the number of pheasant species there would be if maps of China were made. This is much better than these Great One pheasants.

[bleak ether]

Interesting Web: https://birdhybrids.blogspot.com/

Gadwall x Northern Shoveler

Gadwall x Eurasian Wigeon. Since we have the Eurasian wigeon and gadwall in COTW, let's make this hybrid happen. Do you agree?

Do you want hybrid species as 🟣 very rare fur or 🟡 Great One? Or would you prefer 🔴 another exotic cousin species as a Great One based on the map it’s found in?

[orchid saffron]

I would go for G1 because I don't see who we can do G1 for duck otherwise.

[stray basalt]

The same thing they did for pheasant, make stuff up

[dusky wolf]

Maybe make a great one mallard a hybrid of a Muscovy duck

[orchid saffron]

Yes but I don't see how

[stray basalt]

That’s what everyone said about pheasants

And here we are

They look fantastic

[dusky wolf]

the pheasants aren’t all exactly made up though the emerald pheasant looks like a hybrid of a green pheasant (which is a real ring neck pheasant species) and a golden pheasant with the hair doo

Hell there’s such a thing as pheasant chicken hybrids so sky’s the limit with potential variation

[fierce bay]

i think i found the ruby pheasant 👀

[stray basalt]

I’d say a good 80% of them are made up

Not to mention that wasn’t my point.

[plain star]

Great One rabbit when?

[stray basalt]

Someday…

[true flower]

Maybe a jackalope 🤣

[hushed topaz]

What happened to not showing them or did I miss something 😭

[weak smelt]

Ig it's just foxes they ain't showing

[stray basalt]

Nah

They’re just keeping the hype going

[midnight moon]

oh omg they look so much better in game than the concepts..

[hushed topaz]

They said they wouldn't show any in game and then they just do it anyways

They look amazing though I won't lie

Still haven't seen the foxes though which is cool

[stray basalt]

I actually quite like the concept feather configuration

[plain star]

Maybe they’ll keep the fox furs a secret until release

[hushed topaz]

I hope so. They originally said they were gonna let the players discover the G1s themselves but must've changed their minds with the pheasant

Looks gorgeous but I really don't feel killing several thousand of anything lol

[rough tree]

Yeah same, I'll at least pick up pheasant hunting and see if it's more enjoyable, but I don't see myself going out of my way to try to get a GO pheasant

[hushed topaz]

I want a GO moose really badly, but killing several thousand moose just sounds miserable and tedious

[rough tree]

Same here. I already tried grinding and I gave up

[bleak ether]

Am I the only one who sees the Great One pheasants as bald?

[rough tree]

It almost caused me to burn out from the game entirely

[hushed topaz]

I tried and the just setting up made me feel incredibly bored. I'm sure they'll add a different way to get GOs in the future though

Or I'll break and try to get one through grinding

[rough tree]

I've just accepted that I may just not see one honestly

there's a possibility bc funny RNG moment

[stray basalt]

I want walruses in this game

Immediately

[hushed topaz]

Walruses would be so cool

[rough tree]

but I don't have the patience or the desire to turn a hunting game into a farming game

[hushed topaz]

Same

[verbal peak]

Hopefully they come with the snowy reserve next year

[stray basalt]

It’s highly likely

[hushed topaz]

Muskox and polar bears too

[stray basalt]

Polar bears would be so sick

Short story I wrote about the great polar bear #1070045518002147458 message

[night trench]

Ew full salzwiesen trailed when?

Also what is the full species list

[verbal peak]

#📢︴game-news message If you have some spare time watch this for info on Salzwiesen + the new update.

[night trench]

I watched it already

The thing is they said 10 birds 5 mammals

[verbal peak]

Salzwiesen Species List

• Greylag
• Tundra Bean
• Ringneck Pheasant
• Black Grouse
• Euro Rabbit
• Raccoon
• Raccoon Dog
• Red Fox
• Goldeneye
• Eurasian Teal
• Mallard
• Eurasian Wigeon
• Tufted Duck
• Gadwall
• Ferruginous

[night trench]

So they lied at some point

Yeah i am not crazy they said 10 birds during the winter preview show

But it is 11

[limber cliff]

Did they lie or did they misspeak?

[night trench]

Well now i know

[night trench]

Probably misspeak

[verbal peak]

Mistakes happen

[rough tree]

10 birds 5 mammals vs 11 birds 4 mammals
not a big difference imo

[hushed topaz]

And it's bird focused anyways

[night trench]

Man am i excited to hunt for dime gadwalls and ferruginous duck

[rough tree]

I'm probably gonna focus on mallards, goldeneye, and pheasants personally

[night trench]

If i get the new ducks, fox, rabbit and raccoon ima have completed the dime list of salzwiesen

[weak smelt]

Gadwalls and tufted ducks 😍

[hushed topaz]

I need a leu tufted duck and black grouse

[night trench]

Me to

I got a leu caper but thats it

[hushed topaz]

Chasing black grouse on Rev sucks when there's brown bear and moose everywhere I go lol

[weak smelt]

I got a leu pheasant and that's it

[night trench]

These are nice but anything else is better

[hushed topaz]

Every time a moose yells the urge to go for a heartshot is so overwhelming

[night trench]

Like leu and albino

[night trench]

Fr

And they are always behind some kind of structure or flush out of range

I better have a rare grouse on my salzwiesen

Holy moly its jaxy

[hushed topaz]

Yeahhh. Salzwiesen being more open is gonna be so nice for hunting upland birds that would otherwise spook before you even see them

[night trench]

Turns out there are black grouse here in the netherlands but the native ones have gone extinct and the ones that are here now are from sweden

[agile mortar]

Certainly wasn't any lies being told >.<
When we recorded the Winter Preview show the info at the time was 10 species and 2 new birds. That changed quickly but we had recorded already. Hence the 15 species total. We never said anything about 5 mamals being added. This has been a custom bird hunting experience since it's inception 😉

[night trench]

No problem👍

Man im excited

[weak smelt]

Now we just need a north american small game map

[rough tree]

I'm super excited about it! I've been wanting to get into bird hunting, but every time I try I can't shake the feeling of "am I scaring away a big moose/bear/deer while I do this?"
I don't really hunt foxes anyway, so I won't feel bad for spooking them while going after pheasants or other birds ^-^

[night trench]

Somewhere in a bayou with wood ducks and stuff

[rough tree]

omg yes wood ducks would be awesome!!!

[weak smelt]

I want a virginia map

[hushed topaz]

.22, the new shotgun, and the .243 is gonna be a ton of fun

Gonna love being able to focus on just birds

[quaint lintel]

Great One Ring-Necked Pheasant.

[night trench]

These ducks are gonna Yet another species going extinct bc i want a rare so bad

[night trench]

Funny lil feather pants

[night trench]

Why did i think about it now i cant wait for the rare ducks😭

[rough tree]

same lmfaooo, the mallards and goldeneye will face my wrath (missing several shots on a single duck) once again!!!

[night trench]

Goldeneye took me sooooooooooo long to get a dime of

6 months or something

[quaint lintel]

Looks like a Phenix

[agile mortar]

Well now you can practice those shots at the clay pigeon range!!!! Hehe

[night trench]

Like this had me shaking

[rough tree]

Yeah absolutely! That's another thing I'm super excited about

[amber kiln]

I’m going straight to no life pheasants, screw the g1 fox. I’m in love with the g1 pheasants, the variations on them is crazy, fuzzy legs, naked legs,tufts,no tufts,etc

[quaint lintel]

Jaxy I personally would've wanted a lodge DLC, but gotta say, devs nailed it with this park, now anytime I'd feel like bird hunting, I know where I'm going!

[night trench]

I am gonna turn into a gunslinger if i practice to much

[hushed topaz]

I remember the first time I saw a lvl 3 mallard and I literally went "it'd be funny if there was a 3 in this group". The more you know

[night trench]

People

I am going to be the first to hit a 360 noscope on a great one fox

[hushed topaz]

Did the same thing while tracking a hog deer. Went "imagine it's a 5', heard him warning call, looked up and he was indeed a 5

[night trench]

Or should i use the A-10 warthog?

[weak smelt]

Did the same with a boar and pheasant on hirsch

[kind lava]

@agile mortar, don't you think there should be a caller for "Diving Ducks", i.e. tufted duck, goldeneye and ferruginous duck?

[night trench]

I do that with any animal

Same with my great one fallow

[amber kiln]

360 it with the 375 to celebrate it

[hushed topaz]

There are?

[weak smelt]

Gonna be a doing a mini RME grind

[hushed topaz]

I was setting up a RME elk to make up for a troll and I found a different initial spawn 5 that made diamond lol

[night trench]

There are callers for those

Just the duck caller

[kind lava]

Yes, in real life there are some.

[hushed topaz]

The game has some lol

[night trench]

I mean ferruginous hasn’t released yet but it might get its own

[hushed topaz]

And gadwall are getting a caller too from the stream

[rough tree]

that's basically what happened yesterday for my first diamond Sambar lol

[amber kiln]

Tufted and goldeneye only have decoys iirc

[rough tree]

and the Foxpro caller :3

[amber kiln]

They’re on it?😮

[hushed topaz]

Saying "it'd be funny if this was a diamond" increases your luck by 10%

[kind lava]

I mean a new caller for them, I know there is a caller for them, but I mean a new one that is especially for diving ducks.

[night trench]

Also happened with this guy

[rough tree]

I know Goldeneye is, I'd have to check for tufted ducks

[weak smelt]

Tufted and goldeye are a part of the duck caller

[rough tree]

Oh yeah they're also part of that one duck caller

[night trench]

You could use the e caller

[amber kiln]

I retract this statement only tufted don’t have a call (double checked and goldeneye is the deluxe caller)

[hushed topaz]

I know there's irl ones. I meant in game

[night trench]

It attracts 2 at a time

[kind lava]

Yes, but I would like to have a manual one.

[amber kiln]

Wait they are? I genuinely didn’t know that. That makes me happy, I guess I could’ve been calling them this whole time

[night trench]

How many of yall have seen tufted duck irl?

Bc im not sure if they are also in north america

[rough tree]

ye, the beacon deluxe caller calls in tufted ducks and goldeneye :>

[slim schooner]

Woah cool curry chimken

[hushed topaz]

I've only ever seen mallards lol. New York kinda stinks

[night trench]

That must have been some spicy curry

Do people know they need to cook the bird?

[amber kiln]

I think I just assumed it didn’t because the game doesn’t always list all the species for a call if there’s multiple species

[amber kiln]

Shiny cramorant moment

[slim schooner]

This is a picture of a seagull found in Britain that people thought was a phoenix but its just covered in curry

[slim schooner]

🤣

[amber kiln]

I think that’s actually what shiny cramorant is based off, I think I remember reading that

[hushed topaz]

I honestly thought tufted ducks had a caller in game

Could've sworn they're on the e caller 😭

Must be remembering wrong

[amber kiln]

It says they’re affected by the deluxe so yeah they do (I remember them not having one but I’m wrong)

[hushed topaz]

Yeah I felt like they were on the deluxe

More species need their own callers (SIKA DEER PLEASE)

[amber kiln]

I mean red deer caller makes sense for them tho, it’s used irl since sika roars sound close to red deer’s

[rough tree]

Some animals need their own sounds in the e-caller too

[hushed topaz]

Yeahhh

I don't know much about any deer outside of america so 😭

A whitetail gave me a heart attack once though. That was cool

[rough tree]

• fallow deer: whitetail buck grunt
• sika deer: same as red deer
• musk deer and hog deer: for some reason making the same sound as roe deer? though ig at least in the case of hog deer they make a similar sound so it's passable
  there's probably more that I'm not remembering rn

there's some where it's not about the e-caller and more about the actual animal's calls themselves:

• moose: i have an entire feedback post on that
• blacktail deer and mule deer: making whitetail alarm wheezes instead of the "MEH!!!" that mulies make

[weak smelt]

Mulies don't make that wheeze

[rough tree]

in-game they make a similar wheeze sound as their "mating call"

[weak smelt]

Ohhh

[rough tree]

Ye sorry, I may have worded it weirdly

[winter urchin]

Can someone go to #🦌︴help-and-tips

[plucky forge]

beautifull new great one pheasant

i totally love tem

[dreamy goblet]

Same here.

The wattle also looks amazing.

[vivid cosmos]

is Mel around here?

she will love the pheasants

[amber kiln]

She already talked about them in the g1 chat 😮

[naive abyss]

Does anyone know all the different species getting model reworks?

[vivid cosmos]

just two according to the dev article sadly, none very interesting, just the Fox

[stray basalt]

Cinnamon teal

Fox

Rabbit

Pheasant

[wind stone]

Wonder what the new mela pheasant will look like

[lone forge]

Wait pheasants are getting reworked, remodel?

I thought it was only the grounding ratings

[wind stone]

Wait they getting grounding ratings?

Is it taking a medal away or?

Getting a G next to it like in classic

[somber kindle]

Huh

[vague mesa]

I can't wait for the update ngl. What is everyone's favorite g1 pheasant fur? I personally like the ruby.

[somber kindle]

There getting a remodel?

[wind stone]

They getting a remodel apparently

[somber kindle]

NOO

I’m used to this one I I like it

[wind stone]

Probably morganite I love that deeper red I’m excited to see what it looks like

[somber kindle]

I like Ruby too

[weak smelt]

Pheasants aren't getting a remodel

[somber kindle]

But obsidian looked way diferent in game vs the the pictures

[somber kindle]

I hope your right

Y’all seen the new post right?

[dreamy goblet]

I still wish we get a Buckshot rework SOME day in the near future.

[weak smelt]

I am

[somber kindle]

Why should I trust you

You work for them or something?

[weak smelt]

Only animals getting remodels are red fox, cinnamon teal, and euro rabbit

[stray basalt]

I mean they are…

Butttttttt

[somber kindle]

Huh

Red fox just got a remodel like a year ago right?

[wind stone]

They making them better

[weak smelt]

Two years ago

[somber kindle]

Dang I’m old

[wind stone]

Dang New England is two years old this December

[stray basalt]

I think they look fine as is

[wind stone]

I remember when it came out

[somber kindle]

True

[stray basalt]

But I’m intrigued to see what they do with them

[weak smelt]

Buttt the new models and animations look great

[wind stone]

They could be a little better more feather detail

[stray basalt]

Foxes have feathers now?

[wind stone]

I meant pheasants

[somber kindle]

I likecitrine

[stray basalt]

Ohhhh

[somber kindle]

I’m gonna enjoy pheasent grinding

I love that type of it

For fallow I’m tired

4k kills no g1

Gets repetitive

[dreamy goblet]

Hell yeah, Pheasant grinding like I did back in THC.

[wind stone]

Wish I had a picture of my Pheasant mount I got gifted

[stoic echo]

im gunna do fox, cos my dumba** cant use a shotgun

[somber kindle]

😂

[stray basalt]

I love it when buckshot can barely pierce a raccoon hide

[somber kindle]

True

[wind stone]

.22

[somber kindle]

Why?

[wind stone]

Or spray and pray

[somber kindle]

Shotguns easy

[weak smelt]

.22 is easier

And faster

[somber kindle]

If you wanna shoot them on the ground

[stoic echo]

i swear with the 22 it has vanashing ammo, everytime i look at it , it has 10 less ammo

[stray basalt]

That’s what the trap shooting range is for

[weak smelt]

Yeah, for grinding

[wind stone]

For grinding not actually shooting a dime rare or g1

[stoic echo]

true, ill probably practise in there

[somber kindle]

Yeah imma let them flush

It’s way more fun

[wind stone]

Flush them with the dog

[somber kindle]

Imma grind them on rancho

Or if the new map is better

[wind stone]

I’m doing the new map

[somber kindle]

Maybe I’ll try sancholancho park

[wind stone]

Not at all what it’s called

[somber kindle]

Yeah I didn’t know what it was called

[stoic echo]

😭

salweisen

[somber kindle]

Shawls we sie Burh

Nice

[dreamy goblet]

*Salzwiesen

;)

[stoic echo]

: )

[somber kindle]

I ain’t writing all that yapenese

I’m just gonna calll it the new map

[fervent sundial]

Bird map

[dreamy goblet]

Or call it Salt Meadows

[somber kindle]

True

[somber kindle]

🤨

[fervent sundial]

Actual bird map seeign as how there are 11 bird species

[stoic echo]

Revonfelden

[fervent sundial]

Translation to English I think?

[dreamy goblet]

Salzwiesen a.k.a Salt Meadows, yes.

[fierce bay]

call it salt marsh park

[dreamy goblet]

Salz = Salt, Wiesen = Meadows

Or that.

[somber kindle]

Close enough

[stoic echo]

salty birb map

[somber kindle]

Nah that’s wild😂

[fierce bay]

salt marsh meadow birdie map

[vague mesa]

What g1 would be the next best?

[vale grotto]

Elk or Mulies

[wind stone]

Or an African Species

Don’t know which one preferably cape or lion

[weak smelt]

All of those need remodels before a g1

[stray basalt]

Hey buddy

Usually they do that simultaneously

Like every single time

[weak smelt]

Uhm what about tahr

Silly goose

[stray basalt]

L

Haxs

[weak smelt]

Anyways

Dime cottontail😛

Would've liked a bobwhite instead but i'll take it

[dusk creek]

Almost the entirety of africa needs a remodel

Maybe the exception of gemsbok and springbok

[lone forge]

Yeah

[dusk creek]

But everything else os very old

[stray basalt]

Springbok could use a slight size up

And better fur types

[rough tree]

Gemsbok could benefit from being freshened up, but they don't need a TLC like a lot of the other animals

warthogs could use a freshening too, and to have their fur updated to look more natural

it doesn't look as bad in the game world compared to the harvest screen, but in both cases the fur on the neck/back and jaw don't look natural

:(

[stray basalt]

They should be bigger too

[iron drum]

Same with lions

The name is like a blurry filter

[stray basalt]

Lions should be smaller

[iron drum]

Mane

[stray basalt]

By a lot

[dusk creek]

Yeah

Wild lions, unless in an absolute peak physical state, have very shaggy small manes

But i think almost every animal needs a retexture, from africa

[dusky wolf]

Everything needs either a remodel or texture update

Lions need a remaster with the tiger animation rig

[stray basalt]

They should get a whole different rig

Completely different hunting style

[dusky wolf]

A lion and tiger are basically the same movement wise

[stray basalt]

I’d actually argue the current lion aggressive pose is more accurate to irl lion hunting habits

[jaunty drum]

Well I found out why the 450 bushmaster is only a 4-7 and not a 4-8 or 3-7 if we apply realism, it's too powerful for class 3 animals and it doesn't have heavy enough of a bullet and thus not enough penetration for class 8

I'm wondering if it's going to have a weird penetration number like 32 or 33

Cause the 270 has the lowest high penetration value for class 8 animals at 35, so it might mean the 450 is going to have a pen less than that

[stray basalt]

It’s not too powerful for class 3

It’s used on most of class 3

And it’s not really underpowered for 8

You can use it… but I wouldn’t use it

[jaunty drum]

Well, power is not the issue for class 8 I guess, it's more you're not gonna have enough penetration

It's likely not class 3 cause otherwise the 300 bl would be redundant

[stray basalt]

That’s why it should be 2-5

[keen sequoia]

if they update vurhunga they should put in honey badgers and more small game

[jaunty drum]

They can always redo animal classes based off of community feedback. But I do think they won't do class 8 for 450 cause you're firing barely heavier than pistol weight bullets

[stray basalt]

They’ve moved classes around once… maybe four times in the game’s history

I doubt it

As much as I and many others would like

[jaunty drum]

Ever since animal classes of 1-9 came about, moose have been the constant class 8

And there's rifles they let you use on them that realistically are way too marginal for reliable moose hunting, like the 270 and non hardcast 44 magnum

[stray basalt]

.270 should have reliable results on moose though

It’s always been used ever since its introduction

It certainly has proven its self to be somewhat effective

[jaunty drum]

So had 30 30, but 270 in the game always has low bleed rate with lung shots

[stray basalt]

moose are made of adamantium in this game

For some reason

[jaunty drum]

But yeah, 450 is likely not a class cause it might have a single bullet design with maybe 33 pen, 25 expansion

[stray basalt]

Euro bias

[jaunty drum]

It's a weird cartridge that realistically you only find polymer tip bullets

[jaunty drum]

Then why did they treat the 6.5 so bad?

[stray basalt]

Because the media paints it that way

[jaunty drum]

They shoulda gave it 45 pen but 4 expansion

[stray basalt]

(Despite it irl preforming the opposite, all it does is penn)

EW if you couldn’t tell cannot research firearms to save their ass

[jaunty drum]

I think they're researching good now, but the 6.5 probably doesn't have enough people asking for a ballistic rework like there was for 45-70

[stray basalt]

I’ve seen a good amount of post for both

[jaunty drum]

45 got first cause it is a base game

Even if it they merely bumped it up from 270 power to 30-06 power

Also it's weird with the 45 70 in that the store/inventory image is the 30-30, but the in-game model is definitely a straightwall big bore

[stray basalt]

Yeah

[jaunty drum]

They're probably going to get around to updating more base game ammo images. So far it's only 357 they updated right?

Though, the only models that don't make sense for the caliber is 45-70, 300 mag, and 308

Someone decided to model the 300 and 308 with a rim

[pine lily]

they confused 6.5 Swedish with 6.5 Creedmore

Creedmore is purely a match cartridge that's very inefficient as a hunting cartridge because it usually zips through without dumping energy

Swedish is a well-known sporting cartridge

[jaunty drum]

I think 6.5 creedmoor was still a semi obscure match cartridge when Cuatro Colinas came out

[pine lily]

it was popularized before the game released

started production in 2008 and started seeing popular use from 2010 to 2014

became really well known around game beta in 2016/17

[jaunty drum]

Ah, I had years mixed up

[pine lily]

it's really a case of just insufficient cartridge knowledge and research it seems

I mean im not really shocked

look at .30-30

known for hammering adult mule deer into the ground and is a famous black bear cartridge

has issues getting full QK with 30m shots on whitetail

[jaunty drum]

They should make the 30-30 a 3-7, yeah

[pine lily]

imagine shooting a raccoon with .30-30

it would be blown in half

[stray basalt]

Gone

[pine lily]

so agreed make my boi 3-7 and buff it

it has more muzzle energy than the old .45-70 black powder loads that were used on bison

[jaunty drum]

I do think with the 6.5 tho, it's not an absolute penetrating monster cause it's based off of the pen of 130-140 grain bullets, and not the 156-160g heavy bullets used on moose and stuff

[pine lily]

yeah, but it has issues even getting single lung on like ibex and red deer, which is problematic given its famous for being used on those animals

plus QK is just abysmal with the thing

like itll do this odd thing where sometimes it hits both lungs

but it takes like 45 seconds for the animal to die

mainly does it on elk

and mule deer

also black bear

it sorta feels unfinished ngl

[jaunty drum]

It and the 30-30 and the 22-250 need minor ballistic reworks

[pine lily]

both it and .270 need serious buffs, and if realism is applied 6.5x55 should be ever slightly behind .270

[pine lily]

yeah their trajectories are actually pretty good but still could use some tweaking

problem is effect on target

at least for 6.5 and .30-30

.22-250 is at least reasonable close to IRL

[jaunty drum]

Penetration still should be more on 6.5, expanding more on 270

[pine lily]

yeah, resulting in slightly slower QK for the 6.5

[jaunty drum]

I feel like the 22-250 should have quick kill like the 243 on whitetail if you manage to hit the lung

22-250 definitely should be a cartridge where the penetration, not power, is what stops it from being higher than a 4

[pine lily]

yeah, for certain

[jaunty drum]

It is barely less energetic than 243 irl

But same reason should be why the 450 doesn't quite make class 8

Both have the power to take animals above their max class, but the bullets are too light for caliber

Honestly for realism I wish the 22-250 was unreliable on class 4 animals, you either get a flesh wound, or the animal drops like it was hit with a 270

Cause that's what happens when you use hyper 22 centerfire cartridges on big game, right?

[pine lily]

depends on bullet weight, animal size, and what bones are hit

and bullet type

if you hit ribs with a good softpoint it plows right through and slams through into the lungs

if you're sending poorer quality SPs or hollowpoints or if you hit the shoulder the bullet blows up on impact basically and does jack

basically leaves the deer with a flesh wound

[jaunty drum]

Well, I'm going off that they model the 22 250 with what looks like a 55 grain bullet

[pine lily]

that would probably do damn near nothing into the shoulder and have problems through ribs

should be good between ribs though

assuming a mature deer of course

wouldnt have much issue with like a 75lb yearling doe or smth small

[jaunty drum]

Yeah, which is why I thinking it should be unreliable and you have to have the angle exact

And get a return far beyond the class of the weapon if you get it right

[weak smelt]

they just need to do an entire bullet rework tbh

[jaunty drum]

Now, back to the community pack they releasing soon, anyone know if all 3 rifles have 2 ammo types?

[pine lily]

afaik they do yeah, that might change tho, idk

the 10GA coming with Salzwiesen looks dope too

[jaunty drum]

I wonder if the 375 is gonna have a 7-9 poly tip and a 9 solid

Or like, a soft point that acts like how poly tips usually do or how the 577/450 does, and a super high pen solid/fmj

Surprised the 375 tho has a 300 zero, I thought it'd be more like the 9.3

[stray basalt]

I mean .375 can hit steel out to 1000yds fairly easily

[jaunty drum]

I mean, it can, but it has more of a reputation of a 150m at most rifle cause it usually fires round nose heavy bullets

I do wonder how much more it's gonna be than the 338 and how close to the 470

[stray basalt]

4 units most likely

[jaunty drum]

I was meaning more in power

[weak smelt]

It weighs 4

[stray basalt]

Yippe

.338 that actually looks somewhat decent and weighs 4 units when?

And is bolt action

[jaunty drum]

Like, is it gonna have same increase in power as there is between the 300 and 338

Or is it gonna hit like the gandhare

[slim schooner]

Woah

[slim schooner]

Eat

[bleak ether]

The Great One: before vs. after

[iron drum]

Has it been confirmed what the biggest animal a GSP can track?

[lucid parcel]

Everything except big predators

[iron drum]

So, class 6 and above are off limits, or is it just preadators

[edgy charm]

just preds, can do up to lvl 9 otherwise

[iron drum]

Huh. Thats neat

[edgy charm]

so looks like we select the class to go after then its behavior changes based on what kind of tracks you set it on

[lucid parcel]

Oh thats cool

[lime aspen]

So the dog will kill for me

[edgy charm]

no just flushing I believe

[rough tree]

I'm pretty excited about the pointer, especially with the updates that pheasants are getting

[lone forge]

Isn't it just that the grounding is triggered harder?

[rough tree]

They said the flush mechanics are being updated and that the grounding mechanic will be more forgiving iirc

bc Jaxy said on stream that the team has acknowledged how birds will count as grounded as soon as they begin the landing process

[lone forge]

Cool, what's iirc?

[rough tree]

"if i remember correctly"

[lone forge]

I remember that part

[rough tree]

I'm also very excited about the waterfowl changes

[edgy charm]

yes! I might not have to move my setups around now to make birds not land on my head lol

[rough tree]

I was unsure at first about getting the new map since almost all of the species there (except for the Gadwall and the Ferruginous Duck) are in other reserves, but I realized that whenever I'm bird hunting I can't shake the feeling of "what if I scare a big moose/deer/something while I'm doing this?"

And since I don't really hunt foxes or raccoon dogs, I don't have to worry about that here lol

I also just like how pretty the map is from what they showed us

some Hirschfelden familiarity, really nice wetlands to the northwest

[edgy charm]

the marsh area looks really nice. I am happy to have the dog and common raccoons on one map

[rough tree]

I'm pretty excited to explore it, and that'll also be easier since it's a smaller map

[edgy charm]

bigger than I thought it would be based on what I've seen too

a good balance for the smaller animals I dare say?

[rough tree]

Yeah! Especially with what we saw yesterday where the vegetation isn't as dense. Enough for if we need to stalk something, but not so dense that we can't see the birds

[lone forge]

5x5 kilometers i think

As the normal maps are usually between 8x8 - 7x7 km kilometers

[edgy charm]

sounds about right

I think the new shotgun is pretty sexy as well, nice addition to the gun cabinet

[rough tree]

Yeah! Idk if I'll use it much personally over other shotguns, but it looks and sounds really nice so we'll see

I'll have to give it a try before I make a final decision on that ofc

[edgy charm]

yea, the 2 rounds isn't great for my style of missing a lot either

[rough tree]

That's exactly what I was thinking lol

I also like being able to drop multiple ducks from a flock, which is where stuff like the Rancho shotgun come in

[edgy charm]

absolutely, I never hit the one I want to scare them up but then I try for it on subsequent shots

[rough tree]

I'll definitely have to visit the range a lot to hone in my aim lol

[edgy charm]

oh damn, see I forgot all about that even being on there!

think we will get a trophy mount for a clay pigeon? hehe

[rough tree]

Leading ducks is something I still struggle with a lot, especially the fast ones like Goldeneye lol

world's first GO clay pigeon???

[edgy charm]

lmao I want one already!

[rough tree]

I might also dust off the Nordin 20SA (specifically the really pretty "Artisan" variant)

[edgy charm]

I do need a nicer top score on that one so I can mount it

[dim saffron]

contrary for me 🙂

Going for foxes first !

[weak smelt]

Don't think so

New map is a third of the size of the normal maps

[lone forge]

I thought 1/2

[weak smelt]

It could be

I'm just going off what jaxy said in the stream

[stiff leaf]

what do the fox gos look like

[bleak ether]

3x3 km2?

It seems that the range of Salzwiesen Park is missing things like rabbit clay targets. ⚫ 💨 🐰

[dreamy goblet]

Would be kinda nice, yea.

Im just glad we're getting more of a focus on small game hunting.

[dreamy goblet]

NGL, I think Ill head on THC to the Skeet Range.

[jovial jolt]

Any idea on pricing yet?

[kind lava]

@agile mortar, is there a list of predators that the new dog can't track?

[vale grotto]

Big Predators, so im guess anything class 7 and above.

So bears, tigers, lions

[kind lava]

So I could track cougars and wolves?

[vale grotto]

cougars???? Not even in the game....

They said big predators, idk if I would class wovles big...

[kind lava]

pumas/mountain lions, they are in SRP and Parque Fernando

[stray basalt]

They said dangerous predators, everything else 1-9 is good to go

[vale grotto]

Okay, I heard big, so I would of gone for bears and that..

[kind lava]

jaxy liked it so I'm assuming it's bears, lions and tigers that I can't track

[stray basalt]

Perhaps we need a Rhodesian Ridgeback

[kind lava]

I think based on this article: "Point L – Searching for Class 6-9 animals, excluding dangerous predators, within a large area. The dog will start barking once an animal is located", the predators that could not be tracked would be wolves, bears, tigers and lions.

[agile mortar]

and wolves

class 6 and above if i recall

[hushed topaz]

Ooooh. So we can track pumas and mountain lions with the dog

[stray basalt]

Mtn lions are mainly hunted with dogs, thankfully

[hushed topaz]

Yeah true. Never heard of it being done with pointers though

[stray basalt]

Me neither

I really want ridgebacks now

[kind lava]

So I would say that the list of animals that the dog cannot track would be this:

• Lion ( class 9 )
• Bengal Tiger ( class 9 )
• Grizzly Bear ( class 8 )
• Brown Bear ( class 7 )
• Black Bear ( class 7 )
• Gray Wolf ( class 6 )
• Iberian Wolf ( class 6 )

[hushed topaz]

Hounds in general would be cool but we can't tree animals so there's not much of a point

[stray basalt]

I’d be really interested to test if the pointer tracks BB.

[kind lava]

BB?

[stray basalt]

Black

bEar

[hushed topaz]

I don't think there's any hunting games with treeing hounds out there. I haven't heard of any at least

[kind lava]

According to Jaxy, Class 6-9 predators can't be tracked or something like that, I understand.

[hushed topaz]

Most likely can't track black bears yeah

[agile mortar]

Don't quote me yet as I don't have my notes in front of me but I think that is correct. 6 and above no tracking available

Patch notes will be out with release on Tuesday. I'll confirm

[stuck tapir]

Could they track crocs and gators?

[hushed topaz]

Those kinda just

Lay there

[agile mortar]

No, no predators class 6 and above. Crocs are 7 so they are out I'm afraid

[kind lava]

Okay Jaxy, anyway in the "Point L: 6-9" section it mentions dangerous predators, I guess that's how you think it is.

[kind lava]

So crocodiles and alligators won't be tracked either?

[hushed topaz]

He just said that yeah

Are the thanksgiving cosmetics available this year?

[kind lava]

So Crocs can't be tracked, right?

[hushed topaz]

They can't be tracked. They're class 8.

[kind lava]

and alligators?

[hushed topaz]

They're class 7.

[midnight moon]

what time are content creators allowed to post content for the new map?

[stray basalt]

It is a little weird the pointers can supposedly track mtn lions but not black bear

But we will have to see

[wind stone]

They said it wouldn’t

[hushed topaz]

Friday

[wind stone]

Tomorrow then

[midnight moon]

Is there a specific time?

that we know of

[hushed topaz]

I somehow forgot tomorrow was Friday 😭

[midnight moon]

lmao I'm just wanting to set an alarm for it

[shadow prism]

Just tomorrow

[midnight moon]

yeah this week has been fast

alr thanks

[stray basalt]

Nothing was 100% confirmed when I sent that actually

[wind stone]

It was

[stray basalt]

Twas’nt

[wind stone]

Jaxy said in the winter preview that class 6 predators and above would not be available to be tracked

[stray basalt]

He didn’t say classes

[wind stone]

Yes he did

[stray basalt]

Just “big predators”

It was vague

Now it’s not

[wind stone]

It was the stream then

[stray basalt]

Because the conversation that lead afterwards

[wind stone]

How did this dude know then

[stray basalt]

Read the whole conversation.

[hushed topaz]

He didn't know crocs and gators counted 😭

[wind stone]

I remember from either the stream or show that they said class 6 and above predators would be excluded from being tracked and guess what he said here before you asked if b bears were pointer able

[stray basalt]

Assuming jaxy is 100% correct in his guess (he doesn’t have his notes) mountain lions are trackable

Showing they clearly can make exceptions

Given the popularity of active tracking black bears (of which should be 6 on the low end)

[pine lily]

honestly, imo, their class restriction for predators should be 8 and 9

because pointers have been popular bear and mtn lion hounds for

what

150 years now?

[stray basalt]

Probably more like 200

[plain cosmos]

Are bears even predators?

[hushed topaz]

They are

[pine lily]

they're left behind for super dangerous game like lions and tigers in favor of Kangals and Ridgebacks but still used on virtually everything else

[pine lily]

yes but no but also yes

depends on the time of year and local population

[plain cosmos]

Because like deer can be next to them without getting spooked

[stray basalt]

And that’s not even including the domestication process many generations ago

[pine lily]

and even individual bear

[plain cosmos]

Asking about cotw

[stray basalt]

Black bear are hardly predators

[plain cosmos]

I know how it's irl

[pine lily]

then yes but no because they're defensive and sorta just vibe unless you spook them up close

and then of course there's polar bears

which actively hunt human beings

but we dont have them yet

maybe next summer

[hushed topaz]

Bear diets differ a lot depending on the species, location, bunch of stuff

Black bears hardly hunt anything but do it sometimes
Brown bears are 50/50
Grizzlies sometimes hunt moose

Polar bears hunt literally everything

[plain cosmos]

That would be so cool

[pine lily]

this

and there's also local specialists like the Kodiak island bears

[stray basalt]

Ridgeback dlc alongside it👀👀👀

[pine lily]

they live almost entirely off salmon, seabird eggs, and seals

as well as the occasional deer

[hushed topaz]

Bears differ a lot throughout species and that makes it kinda weird in game since they all act the same

[pine lily]

I hope if we get polar bears they are three things

1. well modeled like tigers

2. hyperaggressive like tigers

3. class 9 like tigers

since males can reach 2,200lbs

or a full metric ton

[plain cosmos]

Obviously they will be class 9

[stray basalt]

I feel like they wouldn’t make sense anywhere else

[hushed topaz]

Definitely

[stray basalt]

I dunno… it took them like 6 years to move grizzlies to 8

[pine lily]

yeah, 9 is the only space for them

[stray basalt]

And brown bears are still in 7

[plain cosmos]

They'd deserve class 10 if anything

[stray basalt]

Despite having the same reputation as grizzlies

[hushed topaz]

Brown bears feel like literal paper

[stray basalt]

Definitely not on the same level as hippos, elephant, and rhinos

[plain cosmos]

I'd say that they all deserve 10

[hushed topaz]

Imo most class 7s feel like paper

[plain cosmos]

But 9 for Polars is valid

8 would be absolute joke

[pine lily]

polar bear for class 1

buy 1000 birdshit shells

[hushed topaz]

Another .470 victim

[pine lily]

and a reason to put the H&H through its paces

[plain cosmos]

That's definitely my plan for future

[pine lily]

and maybe MAYBE get a .416 Weatherby

[stray basalt]

Caribou sinew bow

[hushed topaz]

I watched Kentucky Ballistics obliterate a bunch of stuff with a .416 rigby and I want one in game now

[stray basalt]

Or a .338WM

[hushed topaz]

Definitely

[pine lily]

yeessss

[hushed topaz]

Indigenous rep would be cool. And more bows

[pine lily]

I gather the H&H is supposed to hit noticeable harder than even the .300 does

[stray basalt]

Mmmmm

Make it 6-8

[pine lily]

so when Im on winter break, im gonna get the pack

[stray basalt]

9

6-9*

[pine lily]

and gonna see if I can drop a black bear with liver stomach lmao

[stray basalt]

That or .405 Winchester

For THC sake

[pine lily]

and on that see how violently they topple when I hit double lung

[pine lily]

gib 1895

[hushed topaz]

The .375 is gonna OBLITERATE black bears

They go down nearly instantly from a .300 double lung shot

[stray basalt]

I always forget black bear are in 7

One of these is NOT like the other

[hushed topaz]

Imo the 300+ kilo mark is where animals should be class 7. Black bears are pitifully fragile

(Put nilgai in class 7 bro please)

[stray basalt]

They need a resize

They look tiny

[hushed topaz]

They do yeah

And more noticeable fur

If that makes sense

[stray basalt]

They look kinda malnourished

Or stunted I should say

[hushed topaz]

Yeah definitely

I'm still mad about nilgai being an extremely fragile class 6 animal

[stray basalt]

Yeah, you’d think the animal that lived with tigers since the Pleistocene would be wayyyy tougher

[hushed topaz]

They're also just

Huge. And bulky. And durable

[lilac needle]

does early access for creators start on saturday?

[hushed topaz]

Tomorrow

[wind stone]

Mountain lions are class 5

[rough tree]

It doesn't help that the player POV camera seems to be slightly elevated, so everything looks kinda small compared to irl (moose are what tipped me off to it)

it's not a huge difference, but some animals that normally look really big compared to people tend to look a little less big

[hushed topaz]

COUGH COUGH cape buffalo

[pine lily]

an animal that has not just lived with them but has a reputation as an avoided prey item due to their ability to kill adult tigers outright during a struggle

[stray basalt]

I almost forgot about that

Must be why it’s so hard to conceal our character

[earnest moat]

Red deer should be class lvl 7 since they are quite big of an animal.

[midnight moon]

@timber stream with pheasant GO are all the concept plumage going to be added or just the 4 that were already shown ?

[stray basalt]

Wrong

Make the .300 5-8

And .338 6-9

The most class 6 class 6

[jade wyvern]

Also some animals look smaller/bigger than they should in the trophy lodge

[stiff hornet]

The only reason I want it to be class 5 is so I can take Mulies with it. Bison should also be bumped down to class 8 since people take them with .308, .30-06, and .303 fairly often.

[stray basalt]

That’s my entire thought process😂😂😂

[limber cliff]

There are 8 Pheasant variations. 4 we have seen, 4 we have not (in game at least)

[midnight moon]

Yeah I know I was asking if and or when we’ll see the other 4 but thanks

[stiff hornet]

I wouldn’t mind seeing Red Deer be a class 7 animal, seeing as they’re about as tough as Elk are, but they’re not bad as class 6 so long as the .300 and .338 are changed to be able to hunt them.

[limber cliff]

Ah, that's not how your question reads

[midnight moon]

My bad

[hushed topaz]

Red deer are fine in class 6 but the .300 should be like 6-9. Bison make sense as a class 9 animal but different ammo typed and run reclassing are what we need

[stray basalt]

5-8 would be preferable

Given its real life usage

.338 would be perfect as a 6-9 however

[hushed topaz]

Ehhhh, I'd be chill with it being 5-8 or 6-9 personally. That's just me though

That'd give people an actual reason to use the .338

[stray basalt]

I really just want a inbetween the 7mm and .375

Which would IRL be .338

[hushed topaz]

Yeah that's fair

[stray basalt]

And the tsurgi is ugly

[hushed topaz]

I don't even mind it being heavy but it's just ugly

[stray basalt]

Whether it be a semi auto or a classic bolt action

Either one would be fantastic

[hushed topaz]

Sheesh those are pretty

[bleak ether]

I want this target to train for shooting rabbits and hares. These animals don't fly like clay pigeons! 😂

[stray basalt]

BAR II is a dream rifle for me

Sadly they don’t manufacture the .338 anymore

[bleak ether]

I may not have understood correctly that the bloodhound can learn to track by acquiring the skill from the trained pointer. That is, since the bloodhound doesn't have this ability unless it acquires it from the pointer. Am I wrong?

[dim saffron]

Priorities list on Salzwiesen Park :

1. Red Fox Grind (Diamond)
2. Raccoon Dog Grind (Diamond/Rare)
3. Common Raccoon (Diamond/Rare)
4. Gadwall (Diamond/Rare)
5. Pheasant (Diamond/Rare)
6. Ferruginous Duck (Diamond/Rare)
7. European Rabbit (Diamond)
8. Red Fox Great One !!!
9. Tufted Duck (Diamond/Rare)
10. Mallard (Leucistic/Melanistic/Blonde)

This is probably the first great one i might actively pursue

I do have a white-tailed deer, moose, grey and red fox grind going on in NEM

doing the river entirely and then the lakes, and then re-doing them, all over again entirely

it's long, but gives great stuff

as of yet, two rounds : 1 albino and 1 piebald moose, 1 diamond white-tailed, 1 diamond moose (300+), and good lovely foxes trophies

[midnight moon]

I believe it's 12 pm EST

[obtuse vapor]

It is

[delicate patio]

Going for pheasant as my first great one

Hope its not too hard

[jovial jolt]

I think you need to keep hoping 😭 I think they’re gonna be super hard

[weak smelt]

They aren't

They're just like the tahr

Probably easier than the tahr tbh

[lone forge]

1. melanistic black grouse
2. leucistic pheasant
3. hybrid goldeneyes, teals and widgeon

[dim saffron]

Awesome List ! Wish you the best of luck !

[lone forge]

Also the rares and dimes for the new ducks if course

[lone forge]

Some possible rares for gadwall, these are hybrids

1. Gadwall x northern shoveler
2. Gadwall x northern pintail
3. Gadwall x mallard
4. Gadwall x mallard

Ferruginous duck hybrids

1. Common Pochard x ferruginous duck
2. Tufted duck x ferruginous duck

[bleak ether]

Can you edit the names based on the species that interbreed according to the source of information?

[lone forge]

I can

[bleak ether]

Gadwall and Ferruginous Duck and their possible hybrids:

Gadwall (Anas strepera)
• Gadwall x Eurasian Wigeon
• (Gadwall x Eurasian Wigeon) x Northern Pintail (trihybrid)
• Gadwall x American Wigeon
• Gadwall x Mallard
• Gadwall x Northern Shoveler
• Gadwall x Northern Pintail

Ferruginous Duck (Aythya nyroca)
• Ferruginous Duck x Red Shoveler
• Ferruginous Duck x Yellow-billed Teal
• Ferruginous Duck x Red-crested Pochard
• Ferruginous Duck x Common Pochard
• Ferruginous Duck x Ring-necked Duck
• Ferruginous Duck x Tufted Duck
• Ferruginous Duck x Greater Scaup

[lone forge]

I suppose some of these wouldn't happen naturally

[lone forge]

Sources are mainly ebird and the website "birdhybrids"

[bleak ether]

ANATIDAE HYBRIDS
Although wild birds do not usually mate with birds of a different species, there are exceptions. Generally, hybridization is more likely to occur in areas where one of the two species is significantly less common than the other. Inter-species barriers can break down if a bird during the breeding season cannot easily find a mate of its own species and has access to other reasonably similar individuals.

In our part of the world, hybrids seem to occur more frequently among anatids and galliformes. There might be genetic reasons for this pattern, but it could also simply be an impression.

First, birds from both groups are hunted in the thousands, and hunters often report on the “oddities” they encounter. Second, this impression might partly stem from the practice of keeping waterfowl in parks. In these artificial conditions, where individuals of some species are alone or, at best, outnumbered by their congeners, and where normal courtship activity may be hindered by clipped wings or lack of space, hybrids become more frequent. In many parks, birds born there are allowed to fly freely, which means a few of these hybrids are later observed in natural habitats.

Another likely reason for the apparent frequency of hybrids among anatids and galliformes is their high visibility and ease of observation. Hybrids between warblers and thrushes may be just as common, but who would notice?

Interestingly, among anatids, hybrids appear to be more frequent between geese and members of the genus Aythya (diving ducks) than among dabbling ducks.
Source of text: My book.

[fierce bay]

Albino male racoon dog for the multimount and a racoon trophy

[lone forge]

Some hybrids I've observed, whats the name of your book?
@bleak ether

[plucky forge]

when cc will get early acess?

[lone forge]

In 4 hours and 1 minute

[plucky forge]

oo

[lone forge]

Well they already have but them they will be able to release

[bleak ether]

In my book, there are no photos or drawings of hybrid Canada goose.
I don’t know which hybridization.

[lone forge]

This is Canada x graylag

[bleak ether]

It seems yes. http://birdhybrids.blogspot.com/2014/02/greylag-goose-x-canada-goose.html?m=1

Hybrid ducks and geese deserve attention in COTW

[jovial spade]

Pink footed goose X greylag? Or Canada?

[jovial spade]

Oh

So close

[lone forge]

We don't really get pink footed geese up here but I saw some this fall which made me super happy

[bleak ether]

The dogs on Day 3

[plucky forge]

my fav its pearl

and obsidian

morganite look mid for me

and kinda dissappointed in ruby i thought it will be more pink

[jade wyvern]

Pearl is definitely the best now

[plucky forge]

yea

pastel

cant wait to see foxes!!

[lilac needle]

where’d they release those from?

and damn did they change some of them around a lot pearl isn’t even recognizable and i’m kinda disappointed ruby isn’t a like pink