🦌︴great-ones

[pliant oak]

its actually interesting as after the red deer furs came in something actually changed with that

[prisma cove]

thanks

[tardy stream]

I've just realized smth, my codex is broken, I have 6 G1's and 1 G1 from a hacked server which I have deleted. and it says i have 5.

[pliant oak]

codex doesnt tell you the correct amount

been that while for a long time

[tardy stream]

I thought it did tho

[fresh sinew]

Codex can be glitchy at times

[pliant oak]

mine says i have like 12 or something

[tardy stream]

Ah.

[pliant oak]

it might be right for newer players

i guess that depends on when people started but mines way off

[tardy stream]

I joined around 3 years ago

Ummmm......

[fresh sinew]

Moose on the X and moose on the Y axis

[tardy stream]

Mhm

[tardy stream]

quick question, if I shoot 2 males and only 1 female is left will the repsawns repsawn back there?

[fresh sinew]

If it's a 3 moose zone it will probably appear somewhere else

[tardy stream]

lovely

[ivory pond]

The 3 cow 2 bulls are iffy alot of the time whether they are consistent or not, from personal experience

I usually grind 2 bull 2 cow zones or 2 bull 1 cow

[pliant oak]

right everthing done let see what grinding has in store today

[tardy stream]

Gl

[tardy stream]

While resetting the time, this guys showed up.

Big boy

[ivory pond]

Dang almost dime

[tardy stream]

Ikr

You doing moose rn zacky?

[ivory pond]

Yea

[tardy stream]

On medved?

or rev?

[ivory pond]

Yukon and NEM

[tardy stream]

Okay, the 2 I didn't say lol

[ivory pond]

Lol

[tardy stream]

Hows yukon

[ivory pond]

I like it

[tardy stream]

How easy was it to HM if u do HM

[ivory pond]

Not too hard tbh

[tardy stream]

Okay, as Medved just don't like me. All females and males don't want to respawn again

[ivory pond]

They pretty much shoot themselves down without stackinh

[ivory pond]

Dang

[tardy stream]

Ah.

[ivory pond]

Thats why i stopped medved

And i didnt rlly like the map either actually

[tardy stream]

It gave me a intial spawn dime and then nothing else.

I may move to Yukon then

[ivory pond]

Always worth a shot

[tardy stream]

Trying yukon if that hates me then no moose unless I can be bothered with either 150 or 200 zones

[tardy stream]

Hows your set up?

[ivory pond]

Like wym

Like how my zones are setup or what zones i hunt?

[tardy stream]

Zones u hunt, like ur main zones

[ivory pond]

a few zones are 2 bulls 1 cow and the rest 2 cows 2 bull

[tardy stream]

👍

[crude spindle]

Medved is a cruel place

[tardy stream]

Mhm, I am thinking of moving to rev but idk if I can be bothered to deal with over 100 zones again

Doing some bears to end the day as moose hate me and reds were being mean

Also thinking of doing more fallow

[crude spindle]

That’s the thing Medved can be bad but it’s also the best

Imo

[tardy stream]

Mhm.

[crude spindle]

Maps where you only have to worry about there being one great one species and not having to feel like you have to change your setup around are nice

[tardy stream]

As Mihai said i may try WT next, now got to decide between rev or layton

would do rancho but cannot stand it

Rancho is my second to least favourite, NEM is my least favourite

[fresh sinew]

Missi

[tardy stream]

Alligators....

[fresh sinew]

Not that big of an issue lol

[tardy stream]

Really??

[fresh sinew]

Can be annoying at times

They are quite chill tho

[tardy stream]

ah surprising

[fresh sinew]

I'll try to get more in depth in me next vid

[tardy stream]

👍

[raven rose]

Has anyone else had bullets literally just go through animals, they just don't hit the target at all sometimes.

Has happened to me a few times on this red deer grind already

[tardy stream]

Yer had it on fallow and moose today

[fresh sinew]

300 does that surprisingly often

I was having a ghost round atleast once every 2 runs when i was grinding Wbuffs

[raven rose]

Like bro

[tardy stream]

Lol

looks abt right

[raven rose]

Yeah

Also ended todays grind like 20 minutes ago or something and im 9735 kills in now.

10k tomorrow probably

[fresh sinew]

Lol

Bro neo dodged

[tardy stream]

Gl Sans, you will get it soon hopefully

[raven rose]

The bullet perfectly dodged all the atoms

[raven rose]

Thanks! I really hope so too...

[tardy stream]

Ngl im going for bear, fallow then WT or bear WT, fallow

[raven rose]

I really want a go bear the most, easily my favorite. I will probably go for it next.

[tardy stream]

Reds were mean and moose just aint respawing

[primal sky]

Your persistence is admirable. Keep going, never give up. Good luck.

[raven rose]

Thanks! I will not give up!

[tardy stream]

Sans, i just want to say and hopefully you don't beat it, but atleast you haven't gone past 16k kills

[raven rose]

No matter what this go will be mine this time.

AH HELL NO

I would be so done if I got to 16k lol

[tardy stream]

lol, I really hope you don't get there but someone did.

ngl if it got to 16k kills I would even ask if u wanted me to grind with you and jsut get this g1 done quicker lol

[raven rose]

Im calling it right now, in like 3 years im gonna have 50k and look at these messages like "if only I knew..."

[tardy stream]

Lol

[raven rose]

Multiple people grinding a go at the same time would be interesting.

[tardy stream]

Yer, but ngl it would speed things up slightly lol

[raven rose]

Yeah

Only 4 shooting zones and 1 person goes to each and then immediately a reset.

[tardy stream]

Ngl I felt like my fallow would never come then i got 3 in less the 100 kills

[raven rose]

Man I hope after this grind i could get the next few easily, it would feel amazing.

[tardy stream]

Yer,

[raven rose]

I want to get one of each species first before going for another one of the same species.

[tardy stream]

So far both my first 2 G1's of BB and Fallow was the longest. Fallow - 6.2k, Bears - 3k

[raven rose]

6.2k is rough already, and to think it can go waaay past that is really terrifying lol.

[tardy stream]

Mhm.

I told Mihai that it would be my luck to get to the 16k kills then around 300 kills later it spawned.

[raven rose]

lol

[tardy stream]

Thing is my next blackbear will be killed with the recerve bow

So thats going to be fun

[raven rose]

I personally could never kill a go with a bow since I want the go kill to be as guaranteed of a vital hit as possible. this red deer go im definitely gonna get will be taken down with the .308 zarza to guarantee success lol.

[tardy stream]

Yer,I already have 3 so im not to bothered, if its dupicate then idrc

[raven rose]

Yeah a duplicate I can definitely understand.

[tardy stream]

I will always kill the first won with the 300, 308 or whatever gun I used the most during the grind

So for reds and wt and fallow it would be 308, moose and blackbear it would be the 300

[raven rose]

Yeah

I would use those too

[tardy stream]

Yer.

[tardy stream]

Have u checked your exterior and solos to see if theres a 9 or something there, make sure your on a fresh time. Like leave the map and come back in so no reds in the respawn pool

[raven rose]

I do check all non shooter zones pretty regularly and have not found anything.

[tardy stream]

Ah okay

I wa waitingg for a G1 to be in one of them lol

[raven rose]

I have seen a diamond like twice in total or something.

Imagine if a go does spawn there and then you realise you have not checked that area in days lol

[tardy stream]

Lol

Rare #14 | TK's 4305 | KoG#3 1088

[merry current]

i got a 21 over diamond level for a gems bok is that a good diamond

[tardy stream]

Had nothing big today, maybe a G1 BB soon?!

[tardy stream]

I've had 2 lvl 7's in around 50-75 kills on BB.... Everything has been 5's and 4's

[steady portal]

1530kills and he want to spawn LFG

[solar wing]

Niiiice one

[tardy stream]

Congrats, I need to build the time and patience to grind Moose they are jsut supper inconsistant.

[solar wing]

I got mine early thank god 🙏 430 ish kills still felt like forever

[tardy stream]

Yer, i did like around 100 kills on medved today and got no respawns just females in zones normally got 2-3 males in it

[mint sigil]

I want to do a moose grind but I hear so many things about how bad it is^^

[steady portal]

It just a lot of zones u need to find that all

[tardy stream]

u say alot its like 100-150 or on NEM its over 200

[steady portal]

On yukoon its over 200

[mint sigil]

compared to the 45 zones from my fallow grinds lol

[tardy stream]

Love that, I wanted to do Yukon lol

[tardy stream]

Yer, ik. i was thhe same

[mint sigil]

I have 4 g1 fallows and its kinda getting boring so I wanna do smth else but moose seem hard and no way im doing another bear grind 💀

[tardy stream]

I have 3, doing my 4th bear, then going to probs grind Wt or more fallow unless the new G1 is released before I get my G1

[mint sigil]

I got a g1 bear in a random multiplayer yesterday lol

[tardy stream]

Make sure it wasn't a hacked server, I got a WT and I went a lake and it was full of G1 moose

[mint sigil]

the rest of the map was like low gold and stuff

it didn't seem sus

but also they could have spawned it or smth with mods

[tardy stream]

Yer, that is why I don't normally shoot g1's from mp unless its my own map

[mint sigil]

fair

I think my next grind will be wt on rancho

I got my g1 wt on layton so it will be smth different

[tardy stream]

Fair, im probs going o do WT on Rev of Layton, I need to decide

[spring cedar]

You wouldn’t have to deal with the river zones on rev, but you would have to search all the large lakes, so they’re about equal

[mint sigil]

I think rancho will be fun, ima use HM if its not too complicated to set up

depends on where my wt zones are tbh

[charred mica]

can great one spawn if I grind my map on multiplayer with friends

[gritty tendon]

rancho isn’t horrible from the grind i did on it

[tardy stream]

Yes just shooting random animals which have a g1 can become a g1, even in multi

[tardy stream]

That's why rancho is at the bottom of the list

[charred mica]

thanks already on 2k so it would be bad if you couldnt

[mint sigil]

you know how many zones there are?

[gritty tendon]

uhhh

everybody has a different amount

if i remember right i think i had somewhere in the 60s?

ranchos main problem is where your zones actually will be

it’s very brushy and hard to place tents and tripods/blinds

but if you end up getting a good zone layout it’s a pretty decent map for it

[amber cedar]

Piebald fallow

Still no great one

It’s been so long I don’t even remember how many I had

Since when was the spinal cord not a vital organ when I stop playing it was

[gritty tendon]

for a long while

[cerulean estuary]

The only rares I have got is a albino bighornsheep and a diamond western capercaillie😭

But this game is awesome

[hidden pagoda]

honestly

if you're like me your first 10-20 diamonds will be your favorite time playing this game looking back on it

[raven rose]

This has got to be the smallest red deer estimate I have ever seen, like what lol.

[sudden blade]

he’s still a beaut

[raven rose]

When the go spawns I have to take this one down too. I really wanna see how low this scores.

[sudden blade]

it’ll prolly be too estimate

top

[raven rose]

Yeah 100%

45'ish prob

[sudden blade]

you should tax it too

i used to do that to small whitetail

[raven rose]

Yeah, these are rarer than diamonds I think so it makes sense.

[north nova]

Looks like my 42. What was he?

[raven rose]

Not gonna shoot him till I get the go. This will help with hm until then.

Third level 2 on my map

[odd trail]

Herdmanagment has nothing to do with GO odds lol just more diamonds and better superrare odds

[raven rose]

I know. Thats just when I end the grind so might aswell have him on the map and get more diamonds.

[pliant oak]

this is one of those things that no one actually knows so people guess

i personally do think it has a effect on GOs but cant prove it just as no one else can prove it doesnt either

most people who have the most great ones or get them regular do get them via herd management and in less kills normally on average so it tends to point to it does have a effect

[plain raptor]

If only we knew exactly how GOs spawned and if it’s actually random or not

[pliant oak]

haha i and others have been trying and im glad we cant work it out

its either stupidly straight forward and we are overlooking it

or stupidly complex or totally random

i personally feel its actually quite simple and we overlook most of it

[plain raptor]

Like the odds that I got my two reds from the exact same herd and lake within 1000 kills

[pliant oak]

i had two great one reds spawn on the same spot

[plain raptor]

But god forbid I want another GO because RNGesus is not being kind to me

[odd trail]

Sure, same thing with picking up your kills and stuff lol. Who knows what impacts that...... They do spawn both ways eventually tho so 🙂

[tawdry tangle]

i have none😭

[plain raptor]

Picking up your kills has been pretty much confirmed to help

[plain raptor]

Pray hard and grind harder

[tawdry tangle]

lol bet

[pliant oak]

right lets go grind see what we get today

[odd trail]

u sure?

[plain raptor]

Very certain

[odd trail]

even if it does tho it pretty much equals out the same time as more kills without picking up more or less due to efficiancy

[plain raptor]

I find that my respawns are better when I pick my kills up

Plus I don’t hunt every zone so I save time there too

[odd trail]

hmm ok will try that with my next grind after my fallow spawns for sure

[dusky pendant]

officially starting my first g1 hunt 🙂 finally got all red deer spots on awaroa

[plain raptor]

Good luck

[tardy stream]

Yime to start the BB grind for today.

[tardy stream]

gl.

[pliant oak]

number 352

[tardy stream]

Nice.

[raven rose]

Piebald red deer #20

theres so many mythicals lol

[tardy stream]

Nice.

[tardy stream]

Maybe a g1..

[raven rose]

PLEASE let this be true...

Like 60% of my spawns are just mythicals lol

In this run im doing right now almost all have spawned as mythicals which is wild

[tardy stream]

Gl

[amber cedar]

I hope I get a GO fallow soon I remember last summer when I stopped I def had like 300-500+ kills

[daring kindle]

That’s nothing

500 kills is barely anything

[mint sigil]

you're up for a rude awakening lol

[tepid token]

Only 150 kills

[signal ridge]

Under 300 kills and we got him yesterday

[misty dagger]

just a few days ago you swore up and down it had everything to do with great ones...

[amber cedar]

When I last played it was pretty easy to find it in like 500 kills

Everyone was getting it In like low numbers of kills then like the real unlucky ones had to kill thousands

Guessing I was one of them

[raven rose]

Im less than a 100 from 10 000 kills with no go now lol.

[pliant oak]

what more can i say that i personally think it effect great ones ?

is that not just saying that ? i swear you just like to argue 🤣

[misty dagger]

lmao we had a whole conversation about this where you proceeded to say reiterating the same redundant point "I play the game more, so I think my opion is more valid" so yeah. I call it out when I see it lol

[pliant oak]

your basically repeating yourself and quoting what i already gone over makes no sense

why are you still going on ?

your point is clear so is mine.

just move on

[misty dagger]

yeah ok ron... 😂 👍

[pliant oak]

its fine. have fun

[proud garden]

my only one was 5020 kills. Cant blame you.

[midnight aurora]

what animal easiest to greatone grind

[tiny kestrel]

Red deer/fallow deer

[tardy stream]

Lol.

[midnight aurora]

whats the best map for fallow?

[tiny kestrel]

Te Awaroa

[raven rose]

Is Emerald coast good for a fallow grind?

When I start the fallow grind i really don't want to do it on Te Awaroa.

[proud garden]

Anyone have a random 2k plus grind for a GO black bear?!

I wasn’t expecting this

[proud garden]

Te Awaroa is the only map you should hunt for them. They are only on the right side of the map

[raven rose]

Im so sick of Te Awaroa since i have spent so much time grinding reds there.

Are fallow in Emerald coast all over the place?

[tiny kestrel]

Yes

[raven rose]

Allright, well Te Awaroa it is then.

[tardy stream]

Some people have had over 6k so

[tardy stream]

Hows the reds?

[pliant oak]

number 28

[proud garden]

184,1300,800 was the kills for the 3 that I have lol. Seems like the 4th is going to take ages

[fresh sinew]

I know a few people who've crossed 8k

[tame lark]

I was reading that as 1 number

[proud garden]

Lmfaoooo

[fresh sinew]

Also notable person who's also done that: Crow

[proud garden]

That’s wild

[fresh sinew]

same...

[tardy stream]

Idk abt that lol

SLol

[proud garden]

I didn’t think people would read that as one number lmao. These bear are frying my brain

[tardy stream]

Your not the only one

[proud garden]

Hm kills you in?

[tardy stream]

around 4k, got 3 already

[proud garden]

Not bad

[tardy stream]

No, on around 1k kills for grind #4 tho

[pliant oak]

number 29

watch a fallow go spawn before the red lol

[tardy stream]

and it seems the map is getting closer and closer and just got no energy to deal with reHM'ing them

[proud garden]

That’s why I’m hunting bear til I get the furs I want because I WILL NOT re-hm

Need cream or chestnut and I’m happy

[raven rose]

Nothing special I got to 9900+ but currently im taking a break. I will grind to 10 000 today a bit later.

[proud garden]

10k with no GO?!

[raven rose]

Yeah

[proud garden]

WOW

[raven rose]

And the thing is, I only count the kills I harvest, so in reality it's like 11k kills for sure at this point.

[proud garden]

With HM?

[raven rose]

Yeah I have been doing hm since like 5000'ish kills.

[proud garden]

That’s wild

[raven rose]

Yeah idk it just feels like I will never get it.

[proud garden]

I did get a max score SR yesterday though… first SR ever

[proud garden]

My moose took me 5020 kills. ABSOLUTELY DREADFUL. I understand the pain

[proud garden]

Max weight as well

[raven rose]

Yeah, and I have some kills on my other grinds too with the same results, lemme check real quick how many I have.

Black bear 347, moose 673, whitetail 241.

Not much but still

That's like 12k total kills with no go

[proud garden]

Yeah that’s not too bad but almost 10k for red deer is insane

[raven rose]

Indeed

[proud garden]

At least when it spawns you’ll appreciate more than most lol

[raven rose]

Yeah I will absolutely lose it when it finally spawns lol

This has been 2 years in the making too already

[proud garden]

Make sure you post it I’m curious how long it’s going to take

[raven rose]

Oh trust me you will know when I get it lol 😂

[proud garden]

Lmfaoo

[tardy stream]

Yer same, I want chesnut so badly.

[tardy stream]

Fe.

[tardy stream]

Nice, got my first SR on my Fallow grind

[proud garden]

Killed 4k fallow no GO and gave up I don’t even care for it that much

My GO luck is terrible other than my initial spawn half typical whitetail GO which is so rare

[tardy stream]

I got to around 6.2k and then got 3 in 100

[frosty zephyr]

random but i got a sr euro bison yesterday on some random multiplayer

[drifting dirge]

how much bear do you guys have at your 4 lakes i have 8 and i feel like thats why im over 2k for GO i had like 12 but they slowly vanished

[tardy stream]

Should be about 12, I think I was shooting around 15 before they got a time change.

Time to start the BB for the evening, 2 hours of juting

hunting*

[drifting dirge]

should i go back threw my map then?

[tardy stream]

check the night time zone.

[drifting dirge]

ok

[tardy stream]

Im going to be sat in lounge while grinding if u want to chat u can

[drifting dirge]

bet

[raven rose]

Unfortunately it has come down to this, red deer #10 000

[tardy stream]

Oof

[drifting dirge]

thats insane

[raven rose]

Got a piebald and some diamonds today but still not what i want.

[tardy stream]

Lol.

[tardy stream]

Ur on PC aren't u?

[raven rose]

Yeah PC

[tardy stream]

Okay.

[pliant oak]

number 353

[tardy stream]

A strange run this time, had limited bears....

Dime #42 | TK 4412 | KoG#4 1195

[mortal elbow]

39 hours, first ever great one, 5 minutes after loading up and first kill of the day

[tardy stream]

Congrats.

[viscid sage]

39 hours of cotw playtime or 39 hours of grinding for a great one?

[mortal elbow]

cotw playtime

[viscid sage]

Wow very lucky

[mortal elbow]

yeah i figured, i only have like 1 diamond so far

[tardy stream]

How many kills do you know?

[mortal elbow]

203

[tardy stream]

Very lucky

[full cave]

First g1 bear checked off the list. Just need whitetail and moose and I'll have one of each.

[tardy stream]

Congrats, I still need wt and moose and RD just haven't got the energy to grind them as respawns for moose are terrible and red just did want to spawn anything big in my main shooting zones and the WT just haven't tried.

[full cave]

Reds I got extremely lucky with. Got three of them. Fallow took me over 7k kills and like 6 months.

[tardy stream]

Fallow took my 6.2k and got 3 in total and got the other 2 just under 100 kills

got 3 Black bear in around 3k kills, im at 4.4k going for the 4th

but since the day time zones my bears have been weird

[full cave]

This one I would say took my like 1.3k. But day time zone. They are super inconsistent. I'll have some show up 30 minutes past. That's when this guy showed up.

[tardy stream]

Yer, it takes the mick some times, I am checking for jumpers now as I feel like im missing some bears

Finished the bear grind for today, got to 4444 TKs on the grind hopefully my G1 bear spawns tmr

[raven rose]

This is probably my favorite combo, congrats!

I should really try to grind some moose too to actually enjoy grinding a bit more since reds hate me.

[fathom pollen]

After around 2,500 kills give or take I finally got my first great one guys 😀

[daring kindle]

I hate wt

They’re so weird

[acoustic cedar]

Casually decided to go shoot a few bears

Two lvl 9s chilling side by side lol

[acoustic cedar]

Congratulations!!

[tiny kestrel]

I wanna do a multimount of 2 GO bears so damn bad

[jagged wedge]

Anyone grinded bears on Mississippi since they went to daytime drinking?

[acoustic cedar]

It’s pretty cool ngl

I wish the fighting poses were more…violent? 😂

Like they look like they’re play fighting more than “argh imma kill ya”

[crude spindle]

I like the play fighting a lot lol

My favorite is the one where they’re running together

[acoustic cedar]

Same I like the running one

[pliant oak]

would be cool to get more multi mounts

[wet dew]

Anyone else agree we need more Red Deer Great One variations? I drew some https://discord.com/channels/393040947006406657/1203758309409292318

[daring kindle]

You did not draw them

I drew them

You stole them!

[wet dew]

I drew them myself

i did not steal

[daring kindle]

Nope

They’re mine

[wet dew]

they're mine

[daring kindle]

No

Mine

[wet dew]

mine

[daring kindle]

No

[crude spindle]

What is happening

[wet dew]

They're mine!

[daring kindle]

They stole my drawings

[crude spindle]

Real?

[wet dew]

I drew them

he didnt

[daring kindle]

Cap

[wet dew]

stop lyin, i drew em

[daring kindle]

No you didn’t

[wet dew]

yes i did

[daring kindle]

No

[wet dew]

yes

[crude spindle]

Next person who’s message has any substance to it gets credit

[wet dew]

huh?

i drew them

[daring kindle]

No you did not

[wet dew]

I did

[daring kindle]

Nope

[wet dew]

Yes, and that is final

[daring kindle]

No

Lmao I’m just pulling your leg

[wet dew]

thats relieving

[sly current]

Suggestions on how I can get my first great one?

[daring kindle]

Grind

[proud garden]

GO bear #4. 2289 kills, duplicate sadly... might as well stack it

@tardy stream

[tiny kestrel]

Shoot stuff, keep shooting stuff, sell your soul, shoot more stuff, oh hey a GO spawned

[tardy stream]

Congrats

[proud garden]

ty!

[scenic patio]

first ever great one only a week into my grind, 10 diamonds, and 1 piebald killed

[hidden pagoda]

bro

I am jealous

and it's one of the best racks

[tardy stream]

Time for me to grind bears all day till it spawns, 12 hours of hunting lets go.

Starting today with 4444 kills, lets see what I end with

2nd lvl 5 elk on the grind for BB. Troll...

My respawns aren't respawning for bears now. I swear this game doesn't want me to get anymore G1's...

[abstract pecan]

Got one yesterday

496

I think

[tardy stream]

He was a troll I could tell, as his estimate only went up to like 490 or smth stupid like that.

[abstract pecan]

Mine was 450-512

[fresh sinew]

They are like fallow

Have a rack that always trolls

[abstract pecan]

Idk the lower one but the higher was 512

[fresh sinew]

And the rest will always make it

[tardy stream]

Yer and both 5's i've had is the same rack..

i have a feeling I either have a 9 or a G1 on my map as nothisn spawning

[ivory pond]

Tiger

[tardy stream]

Congrats.

[ivory pond]

Thanks

[tardy stream]

I want a cream or chestnut.

[ivory pond]

I want another chestnut but i cant get another…

It wont spawn

[tardy stream]

Thing is I have glacier 1 I think I want glacier 2 aswell

[ivory pond]

The 2 glaciers in a multi look cool

[fresh sinew]

Skill issue

[ivory pond]

Yes

[fresh sinew]

PC multiplayer can suck on a sharp object

[ivory pond]

Nah

[tardy stream]

My 3 bears

[fresh sinew]

Yes

[ivory pond]

So many great ones and SR in pc multi

Its easy

Totally not hacked either

[tardy stream]

Lol

[fresh sinew]

Yeaaahhhhh

Never

[ivory pond]

I want spotted…

[tardy stream]

I really want chestnut but I have a feeling he won't spawn

[fresh sinew]

Do you not have it?

[ivory pond]

I do

I want another

I have 3

[tardy stream]

Lol

[fresh sinew]

Ah

Expected after 40+

[tardy stream]

How many kills u on zacky

[ivory pond]

Erm actually 24

[ivory pond]

This grind or total

[tardy stream]

Bear grinding in general

[ivory pond]

Gimme a min to count exactly

[tardy stream]

Lol

[fresh sinew]

BOYYYY stop lyin

[ivory pond]

20577

[ivory pond]

Thats total GO

[fresh sinew]

Ah

Well you didn't quite mention that

[tardy stream]

Lol

[fresh sinew]

Dayum

[ivory pond]

No…

I like to make stuff complicated

[tardy stream]

fe

[ivory pond]

My bear GO avg changed by .4 in the past 11 GO

Jeez

[tardy stream]

1257 thats how many kills im on for grind '4.

[ivory pond]

Not bad

[tardy stream]

total is 4474.

[ivory pond]

Hopefully it spawns before the update

[tardy stream]

Im hoping, I really want it to be chestnut so I don't have to do it after the update.

[ivory pond]

Yea

I only wanna get 1 more before this update so i have 25 then ill no life the next GO if its a good GO til i get 25

[tardy stream]

Im grinding all day for them unless he spawns then I will probs set up on WT or fallow again

[ivory pond]

I want another fallow but its so boring

[tardy stream]

It took me 6.2k kills to get 1....

[ivory pond]

I might grind EC reds for a while again

[fresh sinew]

New g1 is not coming out at the same time as the map

[ivory pond]

Its not?

Whens it coming out then…

[fresh sinew]

I think that's what jaxy said

Could be a bluff

[ivory pond]

Lol

[fresh sinew]

Later on

[ivory pond]

Im hoping to see something later today tho for the stream

I wonder what the trailer will have

[fresh sinew]

Tiger attack

And the whole species list hopefully

[tardy stream]

Dime #43 | TK 4475 | KoG4 1258 | Another max weight max score.

[ivory pond]

I wonder if those “snow leopards” will be on the new map or medved

[fresh sinew]

New map

[ivory pond]

Its the right score to be a min score GO…

[tardy stream]

It has no fur so no!!!!

[ivory pond]

So it has a snow biome and a pretty looking biome… cool

Thats a change

I dont think any of the other maps have a biome change like that

[tardy stream]

EC has biome changes but not really gradually.

[ivory pond]

Parque does too

Kinda mostly hills tho

[tardy stream]

Yer

[fresh sinew]

I hate WT so much

[tardy stream]

Lol.

and u tell me I should grind them next...

[fresh sinew]

I killed a doe by accident

And now i have no clue where the zone is at

[tardy stream]

Lol

[fresh sinew]

I hate them cause of my own stupidity

[tardy stream]

Bruh this 9 respawned as a 3...

[tardy stream]

Fe

[fresh sinew]

Lol

[tardy stream]

Respawns love to be mean don't they..

[hidden pagoda]

I lowkey love whitetail

they're the species that respawns the most consistently for me

[gaunt shuttle]

grinding red deer on emrald any tips

[tardy stream]

Would do them but after fallow I have a feeling the deer species are going to be mean for like 6 months.

[hidden pagoda]

lmao

[fresh sinew]

Consistent and whitetail in the same sentence should never happen

[tardy stream]

Lol

[hidden pagoda]

it's because I'm on layton smh

[fresh sinew]

And I'm on Mississippi

[hidden pagoda]

I have had enough time with them to figure out their patterns of which zones will be late and when

aka

I've been grinding whitetail off and on for 3 years

always stuck to layton

[fresh sinew]

I did 2k on rev... Then they went crazy

Switched to layton did 1k... Then they went crazy

Now on Mississippi for attempt 3

[tardy stream]

Bruh MY respawns are so bad rn!!!!

[hidden pagoda]

I've done uh

35,800

not including the 1600 or so I did on rancho like a year after it came out because I felt like it

[tardy stream]

How many g1s

[fresh sinew]

I would need a straight jacket after that many

[hidden pagoda]

9 off my map

[tardy stream]

Not bad

[hidden pagoda]

I specify my map cuz of the one lucky mp one from a tad ago

better than reds tho lol

took 9300 for 2

[hidden pagoda]

trust me I did end up in the grippy sock jail

they said "this mf been playing too much cotw"

[tardy stream]

Can this g1 spwn please......

My bears are being really weird

just hit 4.5k tk

[fresh sinew]

Lmao

[tardy stream]

@ivory pond Fabled Spotted!!!

1306 kill grind

Time for grind #5 as I really want the Chestnut...

[fresh sinew]

LMFAOOOOOO

[raven rose]

Niiice!

[raven rose]

Whats the best map for a moose grind btw?

[fresh sinew]

Medved,even tho it's not as good as people say imo

[tardy stream]

Probs Rev as Medved respawns are so inconsistent for me.

[raven rose]

I have a moose grind set for rev and medved so I guess rev since from my experience it has been better

[tardy stream]

Bruh what is my luck hes just spooked off my fabled...

[fresh sinew]

Guaranteed

Weaw

[raven rose]

Doesn't nem have like a million moose zones?

[tardy stream]

Mhm.

[solar wing]

Medved was amazing imo but I haven't grinded them on any other reserve

[tardy stream]

Yes

[tardy stream]

Bow time?

[fresh sinew]

NEM and yukon have 200+ zones

[fresh sinew]

Yessir

[raven rose]

lol that sounds awful

Also is that mountain lion a grey too?

[fresh sinew]

Atleast 60 zones are solo females

[raven rose]

Oh yeah, speaking of solos, doesn't moose have a ton of those aswell?

[fresh sinew]

Yup

[raven rose]

That's a pain. Well, just gotta hope they don't respawn all over the place too much.

[tardy stream]

Wish me luck finding him...

[fresh sinew]

Oh they do

[raven rose]

Fun!

Also gl

[tardy stream]

thxs Sans

[fresh sinew]

Best of luck!

[tardy stream]

Wanna know something hes a solo bear too...

[fresh sinew]

Aren't they all solo?

[tardy stream]

Not all.

I have 1 zone which is a group of 3 males. which the drink zone indicator did say 3...

[raven rose]

What???

I thought all of them are solos

[tardy stream]

I was confused don't worry

[fresh sinew]

Well that doesn't really mean they are 3 in the same group

[raven rose]

That's actually wild lol

[fresh sinew]

It does the same with moose

Says 4 and they bounce

[tardy stream]

Good point

He keeps running in circles...

[raven rose]

Ah, good point indeed

[tardy stream]

AAHHHH I scared it...

[fresh sinew]

Lol

[tardy stream]

Got his zone tho

Time to run 500 metres to get back to the zone...

[fresh sinew]

Lol

[tardy stream]

AH I didn't get rid of my dog....

[fresh sinew]

I found the zone i accidentally messed up

🎉🎉🎉

[tardy stream]

Lol

[fresh sinew]

Only took me bout 4 hours:3

[tardy stream]

Atleast u found it

[fresh sinew]

True that

[tardy stream]

I scared it again...

This guy doesn't want to go to his resting..

[fresh sinew]

Are the WT trying to be nice?

[tardy stream]

Maybe.

[fresh sinew]

Well then...

I'll see how long this facade lasts for

[tardy stream]

Lol

This bear..

[fresh sinew]

Another 3

...

[proud garden]

Congrats!!

[tardy stream]

G1#4 | 13 Dimes | 4 rares | 1309 kills | 4526 TK

I posted it in the wrong chat...

[quasi crystal]

🔥

[tardy stream]

Time to start G1#5 I really want a glacier 2 or a chestnut..

[fresh sinew]

Noiceeeee

[tardy stream]

Zacky won't be happy lol

[fresh sinew]

He already has more than enough

[tardy stream]

Yes but he wanted another lol

Dime #44 (Botched) | TK 4536 | KnG5 8

Hes drinking grass...

[pliant oak]

number 30 of the 6th grind

[tardy stream]

Nicew

[somber turret]

Hell idk

[high heath]

what the purge

[fresh sinew]

Whar i miss?

[daring kindle]

Nun

[north nova]

missed nothn

[fresh sinew]

Lies

Who cheated

[daring kindle]

Shhh

[fresh sinew]

I wanna fight

[high heath]

well it seems that the entire maps size is an insane 45x45km

but I will have to verify that it extends that far on the other side of the map

[somber turret]

You did as normal

[fresh sinew]

I can neither confirm nor deny

[zealous ferry]

Anyone reading the steam description?

Makes it sounds like tahr is the new great one

[tardy stream]

Is it on the steam store itrs not on there for me..

[zealous ferry]

Just search sunderpatan on steam, it worked for me

[tardy stream]

Okay.

[daring kindle]

I had a dream of a hippo G1

So it must be a hippo

[tardy stream]

Possibly but I think from what it says its actually know as the great one to the people who live there

[daring kindle]

Hopefully we figure it out today on stream

[tardy stream]

Yer that and see the complete species list.

[daring kindle]

Heck yeah

I’m excited

[tardy stream]

Same, i am so happy we are getting bith Tigers and leopards.

[daring kindle]

I don’t think we are

[tame lark]

We are

[tardy stream]

Well time to go back to hunting bears for the chestnut before they get reset.

[daring kindle]

Where’s the proof

If we get both I’ll be very upset

You can’t even hunt tigers irl

[tame lark]

That’s on steam

[tardy stream]

We had the tigers today and yesterday in the photos released there was 2 cats, one standing up which looks like a leopard and a sat down one in the bush.

That too

[daring kindle]

Seriously!

Why have i not seen this

[tame lark]

It was just posted on steam but was leaked by Microsoft 3 hours ago

[daring kindle]

Can someone send the pic

[tardy stream]

Let me see

[daring kindle]

Where’s the tigers

[tardy stream]

Tiger was in todays announcement trailer

[daring kindle]

Oooh

Is it on yt

[tardy stream]

Yer

[tame lark]

And a tiger roar with the teaser

[tardy stream]

That too, but people was 50-50 if it was leopards or tigers

[tame lark]

It was 100% tigers since leopards can’t roar

[tardy stream]

ik but some people was 50/50 on it

[daring kindle]

This is gonna be a cool map

Tigers look good

I take back being upset

Hopefully the G1 is good

[tardy stream]

I think it will be Blackbuck, because is really random species to update

[daring kindle]

I would love lion G1

[tame lark]

It’s tahr

[dusky pendant]

I dont think they would call tahr "great one" on steam, unless they were the great one species. why would they use a term that means something inside the community? it makes no sense

they are not called "great one" in real life

[daring kindle]

If it’s tahr I would mind that

It would be cool

[tame lark]

Hopefully they drink

[dusky pendant]

the steam page says " Don't miss the likes of the rare and impressive Barasingha, the Snow leopard, and particularly the large Tahr – known in these parts as the “Great One” "

[daring kindle]

Tahr G1 go brrrrrrr

[tardy stream]

I've seen that, but its just a random species to update if you get me

[dusky pendant]

any species would be random haha (except for lions, sideeye)

[daring kindle]

It is something we won’t expect

So it’s possible

I hope they announce it on stream

[tardy stream]

Yer, but thing is we won't expect anything we don't already know about lol

[tardy stream]

Well there is that but normally theres a reason behind it.

[dusky pendant]

i think it might be tahr and they will backroll tahr to te awaroa

(there's tahr in new zealand too)

[tardy stream]

Apparently, there isn't any backfilling this time. I have heard this from someone who heard it from jaxy.

[dusky pendant]

oh interesting! maybe at some point 🙂

[tardy stream]

Thing is i cannot confirm that there isn't but someone said it.

[worthy junco]

Great One Tahr

[ivory pond]

Could tahr be in EC?

Or any other map

[tame lark]

Te awaroa

[dusky pendant]

te awaroa

[ivory pond]

Thats what i meant…

I was thinking tahr was a big cow animal

I forgot its almost like a goat

[tardy stream]

Did u see i got another spotted the one you want

[ivory pond]

Hmm that wouldnt be a bad GO maybe

[ivory pond]

Yes…

[tardy stream]

Going for the 5th as I want a chestnut so badly or cream

[gritty tendon]

i can't see tahr being that good of a GO

[ivory pond]

Idk i dont really want a new species to be a GO

[dusky pendant]

himalayan tahr "great ones" and the fur mane just gets bigger and bigger

[ivory pond]

Or that species

[gritty tendon]

if it is a tahr for sure then they're putting a species behind a paywall that nobody asked to be a GO

[tardy stream]

So it may not actually be Tahr..

[dusky pendant]

its already confirmed that it's not gonna be a base game GO

[ivory pond]

Yea…

[gritty tendon]

yes everybody knows that

[ivory pond]

No one really wanted tahr…

[dusky pendant]

yeah so it's behind a paywall one way or another

[ivory pond]

Id rather a boar over tahr

[gritty tendon]

yes but most people have the other maps

[dusky pendant]

just because you dont want it doesnt mean no one lol

[gritty tendon]

and tahr would only be on one map unless they end up getting back filled to te

[tardy stream]

i still think its Blackbuck

[ivory pond]

Ive never seen someone suggest tahr over anything else

[north nova]

Please mind if you guys are sharing screenshots off the steam store to maybe use a spoiler tag so that people have a chance to choose if they wanna spoil themselves on it

[ivory pond]

Ive seen more red fox over tahr

[north nova]

Not everyone ran over to the store to look

[tardy stream]

Sorry Tyk, will do.

[north nova]

(Sooooo many photos over in #🦡︴cotw-scotland tho )

[gritty tendon]

i suspect it'll be going all day lol

[tardy stream]

Ik i've been in there and just got overwhelmed with so many people messaging I lost track lol

[ivory pond]

But just because they call a certain species in an area “Great One” doesn’t mean that its the next great one

[tardy stream]

so ive gone to go and get my 5th g1 bear

[tame lark]

I just muted that channel

[gritty tendon]

let's hope so

[tardy stream]

Yer, its a possibility but i would prefer blakcbuck over them th

[dusky pendant]

I don't think they'd use a pre-existing term that means something in the community that nilly willy, and in real life that is not what they are called

[tardy stream]

I haven't but its just so many people talking at once I jsut loose track

[dusky pendant]

but maybe there's a mention of that on stream later 👀

[tardy stream]

I hope so, I really want to see if we get told the G1, I don't normally watch the streams as im busy but I made sure that i am free to watch it today

[north nova]

I cannot wait to see you guys there

[tardy stream]

Cannot tell if thats suppose to be sarcastic or not lol

[north nova]

Oh no, it was serious 😄

[gritty tendon]

it won't be just jaxy on this stream so maybe he'll be holding back on stuff he might be neither confirming nor denying

[tardy stream]

Yer ik its not.

[tardy stream]

Lol

[north nova]

Orrr he can double down. Patrycja and Jaxy is two mouths to pull info from... 👀

[gritty tendon]

let's hope so

[dusky pendant]

If they end up being g1, I can't wait to see the g1 fur variations 🙂

[gritty tendon]

no thanks

lets just hope they have drink zones

[north nova]

he got three leg

[tardy stream]

I think its its Tahr, it maybe one of there worst ones tbh, specially if they don't drink

[dusky pendant]

😂 sneaky hidden

[gritty tendon]

i say that only because when i think tahr i think mountain which makes me think mtn goat and chamois which don't have drink times

[tardy stream]

Yer 100%

[gritty tendon]

a GO nobody asked for that also doesn't have drink zones better have some damn good feed zones

[north nova]

Idk, if that's how it goes I guess it'll bring a new element of hunting to the game, versus sitting and plinking at a bunch of drinking animals a-la whitetail, red deer and moose

[ivory pond]

Ngl if its tahr for the GO i might get 1 of those things and never touch em again

[dusky pendant]

mountain goats have drink zones though right?

[gritty tendon]

but let's just hope they have drink zones

[tardy stream]

Yer lol

[ivory pond]

No

[gritty tendon]

mountain goats haven't had drink zones for a long while

[dusky pendant]

that's what I was thinking too

[ivory pond]

Mountain goat havent had drink zones in about a year and a half i think

[tardy stream]

Yer I think most people would be the smae

[ivory pond]

Gosh man i hope they dont butcher the GO release with something stupid i have high hopes but idk only time will tell to see what it really is

[gritty tendon]

lets just hope it's a good one

[ivory pond]

Yea

[tardy stream]

Yer, really hope its not Tahr tbh

[gritty tendon]

maybe jaxy will say something on it

[tardy stream]

Hopefully.

Only 70 minutes till stream

[ivory pond]

Yaaaa

Ill just grind bear in the meantime

[gritty tendon]

is it earlier this time?

[tardy stream]

Same lo

[ivory pond]

I doubt it

[gritty tendon]

i thought it wasn't till like 12 est?

[tardy stream]

Nah its always been 5pm BSt, 6pm GMT

[ivory pond]

Usually about 11am cst

[gritty tendon]

yeah so 12 est

[ivory pond]

Yea

[gritty tendon]

that's still 2 hours away lol

[tardy stream]

#45 Dimes | Tk 4653 | KoG#5 127

[tardy stream]

Stream is in 1 hour, just looked at when lasts weeks was

[ivory pond]

Im 60 kills in this grind rn

[tardy stream]

Fe

[ivory pond]

9 dimes…

[tardy stream]

i've defo not been doing this all day

[ivory pond]

I forgot what that means

[gritty tendon]

well

[tardy stream]

Fair Enough

[ivory pond]

Oh

I thought it was for example…

[gritty tendon]

back to bear grinding in hopes i finally get a cream or chestnut

[tardy stream]

Same husky

[tardy stream]

nah

Thats EG

[ivory pond]

I just gotted a cream👍

[gritty tendon]

i have 11 rn

[tardy stream]

I have 4. With 1 duplicate.

[north nova]

p sure I saw Jaxy say 3 hours, when the trailer viewing ended - so I wouldn't count on one hour juuuust yet

so, possibly 2

[gritty tendon]

the only duplicate i don't have is glacier 1

[ivory pond]

Atleast its a good dupe

[ivory pond]

👍

[gritty tendon]

i have lots of dupes

[tardy stream]

I hope 1... Cannot wait for another 2 hours to hear what he has to say........

[ivory pond]

I have a few dupes

[high heath]

Hmm I could maybe spend this summer getting a GO

[north nova]

Go for a walk, burn off some of that excitement

[gritty tendon]

1 glacier 1, 3 spotted, 3 spirit, and 4 glacier 2

[tardy stream]

Idk if thats possible when its chucking it down outside lol

[ivory pond]

Ehh

Even better

[north nova]

oh you've my weather. 😂

[ivory pond]

Keeps you cool

[north nova]

Umbrella!

[tardy stream]

idk lol

Nah, more bears need to be killed.

[gritty tendon]

so much going on in sundarpatan i think everybody is just talking to themselves lol

[tardy stream]

Mhm, I have just scrolled through like 2 pages it feels like.

Over 300 messages..

[ivory pond]

Yu

Yup*

[gritty tendon]

it'll be like that most of the day

[somber turret]

Leave for 5 seconds gives 10 minutes of chat to read

[tardy stream]

Probs for the rest of the week till next week.

[ivory pond]

Sadly after watching the trailer i dont think there will be tigers

[gritty tendon]

mhm

[tardy stream]

More like 1 hour..

[tardy stream]

Yer ikr...

[north nova]

I need more water but I am invested in this version of General Hospital

[somber turret]

[ivory pond]

Next bear GO ill shoot it from 410+m with the 454 again

[tardy stream]

I feel sorry for your guys moderating that channel rn.

[tardy stream]

I shoot my last one with a bow.

[gritty tendon]

i think maybe i should just go back to bed and set and alarm for stream

i'm forgetting to pick up a few bears lol

[ivory pond]

Nvm ill do 250+m with recurve

[tardy stream]

What does the glock go up to??

[gritty tendon]

6?

[tame lark]

6 I think

[north nova]

It's not the worst.. but I do appreciate the bubble of normality y'all have here. Thanks for being one of the good neighborhoods in this server 😄

[tardy stream]

Ah...

[ivory pond]

Ehhh using the glock doesnt change the fur… or score

[tardy stream]

No problem lol. 😆

[tardy stream]

No but the badge..

maybe on my next fallow.

[gritty tendon]

hm

[tardy stream]

Which i am thinking of doing once I get a chestnut or cream bear

[gritty tendon]

wonder what they're gonna do for snow leopard rares

[tardy stream]

I hope mela and albino.

[ivory pond]

Lewchistic

[tardy stream]

Maybe piebald even though they look slightly piebald.

[gritty tendon]

as far as i know there haven't been any spotted irl

so maybe they just base it off of other big cats?

my best guess would be albino, leuc, mela, pseudo mela

[ivory pond]

Pseudo?

[gritty tendon]

yeah

[ivory pond]

Whats that

[gritty tendon]

pseudo mela leopard

tiger

[ivory pond]

It doesnt load for me

[gritty tendon]

cheetah

bummer

[tardy stream]

Husky beat me to it...

[ivory pond]

Ok it works

I had to turn off my wifi

[tardy stream]

Lo

[gritty tendon]

albino snow leopard would be really cool

would just blend in even better

[tardy stream]

Yer.

[ivory pond]

I love fast traveling to tents and mag dumping the bears

They’re helpless

[tardy stream]

The only thing to give it a way is its eyes and maybe the feet.

[gritty tendon]

300 ar is a thing of beauty

[ivory pond]

I use 303

Im bored

[gritty tendon]

interesting choice

[ivory pond]

It kills them fast

Enough

Fast enough

[gritty tendon]

i like the eckers if i'm just hunting them

[ivory pond]

30-06 is good

And fun

[gritty tendon]

it just needs to be reweighted

[ivory pond]

Yea

[gritty tendon]

absolutely no reason for it to be as heavy as it is and have a bullet less than the m1

[ivory pond]

Its weird

[tardy stream]

Ngl im getting that bored I amy just go and do fallow and jump into the lounge vc for a bit

I've hunted bears for around 6 hours...

[ivory pond]

I can hop in there in a minute

[tardy stream]

Finish this run then its time to go and reset up my g1 fallow grind

[ivory pond]

Ahhhhh

Cinnamon

Level 7 next to a 9

[tardy stream]

Nice.

[daring kindle]

I left my AirPods in my truck

How am I supposed to watch the stream in class

😭

[ivory pond]

Out loud

Make sure everyone can hear the news

[daring kindle]

Will do

[tardy stream]

Lol, im lucky im at home till next week

[ivory pond]

Im on summer break

[daring kindle]

I just got off break today

[tardy stream]

Im on half term, got 2 weeks them in on summer break as im finished my exams

[daring kindle]

I had a week break

[ivory pond]

I skipped my exams…

[tiny kestrel]

I hope Tahr get backfilled to Te Awaroa, I don’t imagine the new map will be great for grinding them

[ivory pond]

I passed the classes anyway so no big deal

[tardy stream]

Lol.

[ivory pond]

Dont know how i passed english

[daring kindle]

No

You just bad

[ivory pond]

Tahr bad

[tardy stream]

Apparently someone heard Jaxy said no backfilling this update unsure if its 100% the truth

[tiny kestrel]

Oh my GOD

EW takes one step forwards and two steps backwards I stg

[tardy stream]

Lol

[tame lark]

I’ve not heard this anywhere

[ivory pond]

Yes

[tardy stream]

Someone said it this morning in #🦡︴cotw-scotland

[tame lark]

I’d take that with a major grain of salt

[tardy stream]

Yer which is why I said apparently

[gritty tendon]

at this point not even sure i'd want tahr on te

[daring kindle]

I like my fallow setup

I wouldn’t switch it for tahr

[jagged adder]

Is there going to be a new great one? If yes, is something confirmed?

[visual glen]

When will the black bear population be reset?

[tame lark]

No date yet

[gritty tendon]

with the next update

[tame lark]

Tahr

[gritty tendon]

yes for a great one and it's likely tahr

[jagged adder]

Cool

[visual glen]

Only black bear or other species too?

[gritty tendon]

all bears species plus both bobcats, black buck, and water buffalo

[glacial bear]

Why is it likely tahr

[gritty tendon]

read

go to steam or check out the hunter page

[tame lark]

You beat me to it

[worthy junco]

lol

90% sure he has be blocked.

[tame lark]

I’ll do it then

[glacial bear]

Yeah probably tahr

I saw from both

[acoustic cedar]

I mean it confirms it’s Tahr

They’re not gonna use the words great one about a Tahr and it not be them

[gritty tendon]

oh also

[dusky pendant]

ps: mods said post steam screenshots as spoilers please (outside of #🦡︴cotw-scotland ) so people can decide if they wantt to be spoilered 🙂

[gritty tendon]

something else confirms this too

i'll have to find it again

it was something jaxy said

[ivory pond]

Diamond

Lets go

[acoustic cedar]

I seee

[dusky pendant]

that's not a confirmation though