🦌︴general

[versed silo]

Piebald blacktail level 3 from 2017

[azure crag]

I said as much.

[marsh haven]

I feel like 4 rounds is enough for a bunched up flock of pinnys.

[twin spindle]

Realistic scenario for birds: you will have blinds or tripod and be within 50m.

Why use 10sa when u can 12ga cacciatore

You get 2 extra shots.

[marsh haven]

I usually get 2 per shot, and i let off 3 shots and hit everyone cause of spread

[twin spindle]

And both drop birds the same.

[azure crag]

12ga is better for folks that tend to miss a shot or two, the 10ga is for those with quick reflexes and plenty of experience shooting birds, as well as for absolutely clowning on landed flocks of geese and ducks.

[twin spindle]

Do we have a simulated pic of spread?

Dont them both have same spread really

[azure crag]

It's about the fire rate.

[twin spindle]

And any class 1 dies from any gun in one boom.

[versed silo]

No

[twin spindle]

So you care about shooting more.

[azure crag]

You can check spread on hipfire vs ADS with the Tracer shotgun perk BTW

[marsh haven]

Bro heres the most W loadout for birds in cotw: Strandberg 10 ga, bird shot, (you calls of choice) and the caversham 12 just as an extra

[twin spindle]

Bro avoids cacciatore like a plague

For some reason.

Despite cacciatore being meta.

[cunning root]

When I'm done setting up for a grind should I shoot the level 3s and 4s Mule Deer and find the zone over or don't worry and leave it be?

[twin spindle]

I like the strandberg simply due to how it looks tho.

[azure crag]

Your obsession with concepts of meta is borderline disturbing

[marsh haven]

Looks good, shoots good, and the fire rates good.

[azure crag]

There's nothing wrong with preferring fire rate over ammo cap.

[twin spindle]

I mean, I come from esports and hardcore pvp games where not playing meta means you will not have fun time.

I play theHunter to chill off and recharge before tryharding my other games.

Because theHunter is easy PvE game, imo.

[azure crag]

Right, so keep your idea of meta to those hardcore games, this game isn't built around that crap.

[alpine owl]

@tough peak

[tough peak]

What's the diffrence between it and a tripod which is quite cheap at 2 bucks

[twin spindle]

It isn't but really no reason to handicap yourself unless you really want to.

Would you ever use the free .243 gun over say a frost 257? You wouldnt.

[marsh haven]

The duck and cover pack is only 2 bucks i believe. Probably gonna get it.

[tough peak]

Hey @alpine owl

[azure crag]

It's not a handicap to prefer 4rds of fast fire vs 6rds of relatively slow fire in comparison. It's a preference.

[tough peak]

Uh

[tough peak]

@alpine owl

[marsh haven]

I prefer rate of fire over ammo capacity cause if you aim right, and shoot right, you can hit lots of birds in not a lot of time. But hey, thats jusy my opinion.

[azure crag]

Absolutely, the .243 is notably more silent and with polymer rounds it still penetrates up to 400m and effectively kills. For long range hunts where you want to prevent spooking game, the .243 is superior.

[alpine owl]

It’s in the same pack as tents which are rlly useful for grinds. In game they’re cheaper too costing 8000 instead of the 16000 for tripods

[azure crag]

Not everything is about your AI generated power math. Respectfully. 😉

[tough peak]

So their za same thing?

[twin spindle]

But this assumes you're already really far away. Which at that point who knows if the 257 will spook as much.

[alpine owl]

Yea

[twin spindle]

Still, a very niche situation. Realistic is being within 150m.

[teal saddle]

Guys can you actually set a grind for turkeys?

[azure crag]

I know. I've tested the .243, .257, .270 and 30-30.

[tough peak]

I saw water on the counter i drank it and it turned out to be some type of alcohol

[marsh haven]

I only shoot animals within like 80 yards.

[tough peak]

I took a sip and spit it out

[twin spindle]

Sure but even if your goal is to be silent and shoot from further away, there are guns even more silent. So you get the point.

[azure crag]

There aren't any guns capable of taking down class 4+ game further than 300m, that are also quieter than the .243.

[marsh haven]

Why go far away, when you could get closer and get a better shot.

[twin spindle]

^

Niche situations and examples really do not matter for meta anyways.

[azure crag]

If you're at or under 300m the .45 air rifle, .223 and .22 are all contenders for class 1-4 game, but beyond that the .243 is basically it.

[tough peak]

"a"

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oh wow that's nice

[azure crag]

There is no meta, though. YOUR meta is only relevant to YOU.

[marsh haven]

Honestly, just grab the 270, it will do the job

[tough peak]

!a!

[marsh haven]

Lets relax guys

[tough peak]

✨

[azure crag]

Most of what's considered meta is really just beginner friendly, high capacity firearms that are forgiving of mistakes and bad shot placement. The longer you play the less relevant it becomes.

[tough peak]

I thought it unlocks a new type of spelling

[twin spindle]

There is meta, however, it is not as relevant as other games, because this one is a pretty chill hunting PvE game.

You can't name me one game that has no meta.

[azure crag]

I'm relaxed and remaining respectful.

[tough peak]

ima go play Minecraft cuz i have nothing else to do and let's see how capital letters work here OH MY GOD

[azure crag]

Ace Combat 7 😆

[tough peak]

I can

[azure crag]

Mechwarrior 5 Mercs.

Daemon X Machina

[tough peak]

I can name like 3

[azure crag]

Armored Core 6

[twin spindle]

I played older Ace Combat, and as far as I remember you had to do certain strategies and pathing to be optimal.

However, i was a kid back then. So i won't comment.

[marsh haven]

Oo i know one! Cotw!

[tough peak]

The most respectful argument

[twin spindle]

Hunters gotta respect fellow hunters. After all, we both have guns😂

(Sarcasm of course)

[tough peak]

Lol

Holy this guy made his dc account in 2018

2018

[azure crag]

There are beginner friendly methods for all of the games I mentioned but they stop being cery useful once you get good at the game. AC7 gives you an easy time with the Raptor or Wyvern but once you learn how to play you can make a joke of anything even with something like the A-10.

Basically what I'm saying is that the concept of meta applies less and less as your skill level increases in a game.

The 12ga pump is a fantastic example of this. When you're not very good at approaching birds or at shooting flying objects, those extra 2rds become a game changer, but once you learn how to properly hunt small game, the faster fire rate of the 10ga becomes more valuable than the extra 2rd you get from the 12ga.

[tender holly]

So I have a 9 red deer at an exterior solo zone do I shoot or nah

[marsh haven]

Hollyy paragraph

[tough peak]

Holy

[marsh haven]

Unc wrote a whole essay

[weak falcon]

that is nowhere near an essay

[azure crag]

And still had better grammar than your two word sentence. 🤣

[tough peak]

OH

[twin spindle]

Gottem✅

[tough peak]

ITS HEATING UP

[tender holly]

So I have 2 9 red deer at an exterior solo zone do I shoot or nah

[twin spindle]

Sure, but meta cares neither for skill or niche situations. It just calculates what is the most optimal

1. Strategy
2. Approach
3. Usables (or items)
4. Maps etc.

There's more to it

[tender holly]

So I have 2 9 red deer at an exterior solo zone do I shoot or nah

[twin spindle]

But every game has actual meta. Not that it matters as much in some.

[tough peak]

Just stack

[tender holly]

So I don’t shoot em

[tough peak]

Nope

[azure crag]

I agree, but Strategy in this game will drastically dictate how approach and usables are appraised. Which is why you and I have such diverting opinions on the shotguns!

[sonic garden]

New to this channel I have no experience in the game its 2.00 should itry it out or get online with a second person immediately to buy expansion packs?

[fallen bone]

Hey so I’m on askiy ridge on my mule deer grind and I’m around 650 kills in and things have gotten very slow I’m killing level 3 and up and only that but there’s becoming less and less to shoot at I doing somthing wrong or is it just slow?

[tough peak]

Im ur guy

[tough peak]

Dms

?

[twin spindle]

Indeed, but if you could theoretically (well we could but we have no means to as we dont own AI centres) run a simulation for the next 5 years, the simulation would find an optimal way to play the game (specifically this one) for every single animal.

[weak falcon]

do you enjpoy a bit slower paced game and have decent patience

[twin spindle]

What I am saying is, by definition, meta (optimal gameplay) exists in every game.

[sonic garden]

no patience

[weak falcon]

pong meta go strong

[sonic garden]

dms?

[tough peak]

Yes

[twin spindle]

Ironically, even that has meta. Very dumbed down one, but yes.

[azure crag]

Realistically I think a perfect AI would prefer semi-auto shotguns over pump shotguns due to the ability to quickly dispatch entire groups of birds more efficiently and quickly. An AI would have a very different meta than what's considered best for the average player, and simply wouldn't be comparable

[twin spindle]

Tetris, minesweeper.. you name it. All have metas and speedrunners.

[weak falcon]

geometry dash

[twin spindle]

Indeed, however no one will realistically do AI simulations so most meta is based off players.

Which is also good, because humans are capable of pattern recognition and have good skills too.

[azure crag]

Right, which is why we should acknowledge there are times when the 10 makes sense over the 12, and vice versa.

[distant light]

Why is this game so harsh on score like bro I just killed a 37.58 gray wolf,38 is diamond,would it hurt them to give me a diamond,like bro ive been playing for like 2 weeks now

[sonic garden]

what did u all do about the expansion ?

[weak falcon]

i have like 165 hours and a total of 8 diamonds i think

10 diamonds

[azure crag]

Man I hate to tell you this but without incredible luck you're not going to get diamonds every day. I've been playing for years and have... 30 diamonds? Maybe 40?

[twin spindle]

Yes, but then that boils down to situational and subjective. I am talking if there is objectively realistically best way to play the gamw (there is) then not doing that would be a disadvantage.

[sonic garden]

id like to start killing hogs, what level do u have t o be?

[rain pond]

is there anyway of preventing guys like him to accusate me that i modded?

[twin spindle]

I see you are in Warframe server. I am also playing that, the whole Warframe for example boils down to math meta, but since it's a PvE game, you can use anything and be as good.

[rain pond]

because i know for a fact i didnt mod anything

[weak falcon]

just ignore it

[low garden]

let them be jealous

[distant light]

Idk,so far I had two trolls and like 2 botched ones,a roe deer that wasnt a diamond because I shot it badly somehow and a red deer that I also somehow messed up

[low garden]

pay for your sin one day wtf 😭

[twin spindle]

It's a 10 years old PvE singleplayer game with no anticheat and no serverside or servers hosted by game to prevent it. Does it really matter?

[rain pond]

but its so sad i nearly have 1k hours in the game and i indeed was lucky with my whitetail but i also killed around 1k whitetail in 3 days and i was just lucky enough to get them all in 3 days

[rain pond]

thats mad too

[low garden]

its so funny

sin = 'cheated' pixel animal

[azure crag]

Right, but there's not an objective and realistic way to play a hunting game specifically designed to be approached multiple ways. It all depends on what you value. Some players value dropping an animal immediately from close range while others value silently eliminating entire herds without spooking them and then taking a casual scroll to collect them all. Some players need larger mag sizes to ensure they can make up for a missed shot or two while others want something that rewards quick and confident follow-ups. There are a myriad of reasons to choose something over another, and outright saying "there's nothing X can do that Y can't do better" is a shortsighted way to look at the game's design.

[tender holly]

So I have 2 9 red deer at an exterior solo zone do I shoot or nah

[azure crag]

Are they the only 2 in that herd?

[tender holly]

Yeah

[azure crag]

Yes, drop them and then their herd will respawn elsewhere, as will their zones.

[twin spindle]

I agree, but you are overlooking the fact that in theoretical perfect simulation, the simulation would find the most optimal way to do it (your examples included) and stick with ONE or multiple of them if those are maximally optimal.

[tender holly]

Sounds good. So after that once their zone is gone go find the new one?

[twin spindle]

So, whether you value X or Y becomes irrelevant for an actual simulation because the perfect simulation would show the best way for all scenarios.

[sonic garden]

what hunters are availble to start with me today?

[twin spindle]

So for example being silent might outweight being able to oneshot. Etc. if that is more optimal.

[azure crag]

That's completely irrelevant for two reasons-

Theoretical perfect simulations will never be applicable to actual gameplay, and if it were, the current meta you think of wouldn't be that simulation's meta anyhow.

A perfect simulation wouldn't need extra mag capacity since it would have perfect aim. It would prioritize fire rate, parabolics and recoil, in all likelihood.

[teal saddle]

Guys can you set grind for turkeys?

[woven ferry]

yeah find feed zones and you good

[teal saddle]

Do I need to find all the feed zones? Is that possible? Or just an amount of zones?

[azure crag]

I recommend you attempt a first turkey grind in Silver Ridge Peaks. Ridiculous numbers of them and lots of great spots to set up!

[woven ferry]

you could do feed and rest upto you

[twin spindle]

Very correct actually, I just gave you an example, I do not know what the actual meta would be though. But for now we have to rely on playerbased metas.

[woven ferry]

te awaroa is pretty good for turkey too

[teal saddle]

Yeah that's what I think. SRP seems pretty good for that

[teal saddle]

Maybe but I already have a fallow grind there

[woven ferry]

it wont mess that up

[azure crag]

But you understand now why comments like this are just not realistic, right?

[teal saddle]

Yeah but I can't set more tents

[twin spindle]

In situational and niche scenarios. Yes.

Overall? Eh.

[woven ferry]

buy yeah silver ridge is good too

[teal saddle]

So do I have to find all the zones?

[azure crag]

It's not situational and niche to prefer faster fire rate over mag cap. It's entirely dependant on whether or not you can land shots reliably. The worse aim you have, the better the 12ga is. The better aim you have, the more useful the 10ga is. It's preference.

[twin spindle]

Sure, but then again, do we at least agree there is an optimal way to play every single game. This includes giving you advantage via using better items or weaponry, maps and positioning, et cetera or strategies..

[azure crag]

Same goes for the Virant vs the Zarza .22. The Virant has a 1rd mag but the Zarza is equal or better in every other category, so which one you prefer will depend entirely on whether or not you need an extra 5rds.

[azure crag]

I agree there is an optimal way to play, but your definition of optimal and mine are completely opposite. I think the most optimal way to play is stealth and long range engagements, and prefer high performing or silent firearms over high capacity firearms or firearms with slightly more power.

[weak falcon]

whats the best class 9 rifle that can use a scope

[azure crag]

The crossbow.

[twin spindle]

Mathematically? .375, however bows and crossbows can mount scopes but cant be used at longer ranges.

And technically, arrows are affected by winds and elevation, afaik.

But these are also silent.

[azure crag]

They are. Wind affects larger arrows less than smaller ones but can still make a huge impact at 150m ranges.

[weak falcon]

more penetration then the .300?

[twin spindle]

Technically and power. But .300 has insane ballistics.

[azure crag]

The .300 has better ballistics but the .375 has better power.

[twin spindle]

None of that mattera either way if you are at optimal ranges.

Then it becomes skill based.

[weak falcon]

at point blank it cant get to the lungs from the front of a buffalo making it a bit trickier exept from the sides

[twin spindle]

Whwther you can hit needed organs.

[azure crag]

I.E if you're trying to heart shot at 300-400m the .300 is the way to go, but you want to crunch through bone and force an organ shot the .375 is the one for you.

[twin spindle]

If you're at the front optimal is to shoot at heat for pretty much every species, afaik.

[weak falcon]

problem is it dosent go far enough in

[twin spindle]

Though heart is almost always harder to pull.

Due to skill expression.

Some people might have skill issue. You have to factor that in calculations.

Optimally, if skill is not an issue, then any gun that has enough penetration to get to needed organs work.

[weak falcon]

my only problem is that the gun that really can do it can tuse scopes

[twin spindle]

The rhino? Sure but that is also used at <150m.

[woven ferry]

the .375 can do double lung on a moose at like 230m where as the 300 does it at like 210 max

[twin spindle]

So, you do not need an insane amount of skill to land shots at close ranges.

Even with no scope.

[woven ferry]

so the .375 is better if its just for a takedown one shot

[twin spindle]

I mean, i use jernberg scopeless at 150m.

And its a 45-70 handgun.

[azure crag]

That's why the .300 is typically a better recommendation for shots beyond 300m, it shoots so flat that it's easier to manage. Both the .300 and .375 are technically capable of render range accuracy, but the .375 starts dropping fast at 300m. If you're at 150-200m though, use the .375.

[twin spindle]

To drop large game too.

[woven ferry]

i have a detailed video doing all of this on youtube

[sour raven]

Anyone here wana help me get my first diamond??

[woven ferry]

shooting close and at extreme range

[twin spindle]

I only wish that the expansion or whatever it is mattered more in this game (at least from what ive seem it doesn't matter much because if you just do double polymer and more pen you do doublelung and it instakills)

[azure crag]

And with a scope it still performs out to 300m!

[woven ferry]

now try double lung

and distance

300 is 210m 375 is 230m

to compare

[azure crag]

Expansion is better when both the polymer and hollow point rounds can single organ hit. If you're shooting at a range where the penetration doesn't quite manage a double lung but the hollow point can still manage a single, the hollow point wins. Interestingly. This makes the .45 Air Rifle one of the only guns where the hollow point is almost always better, because it's HP round can single lung most class 4 animals even at 300m, and the 75 expansion rating drops them as if they were double lunged.

Penetrating rounds are much more user friendly though, and can usually break through bone where the expansion round would stop. So skill and accuracy is also a factor.

[azure crag]

The 45-70 lacks the penetration to double lung outside of very short range. Even at close range it barely manages heart shots.

[woven ferry]

yeah so use a .375 at distance or 300 for medium or multiple shots

[twin spindle]

Other way around.

[woven ferry]

why other way round

most shots will be over what the .4570 does

[azure crag]

45-70, not .300 or .375... the .300 does just fine at extreme range.

[twin spindle]

.300 ballistics shines at range.

.375 shines at closer range.

[woven ferry]

its weaker at range

proven in my video

reviewing them

[azure crag]

It's not about power but parabolics

And we're talking outside of 300m

[woven ferry]

as said 300 can do double lung at 210m on a moose and a 375 can do double lung at 230m

i shoot upto 500m

😁

in the review

[twin spindle]

Modless?

Past 410m is render distance off.

Unless you mean elevation.

[woven ferry]

of course no mods

also you can shoot over 600m fine lol in game

[weak falcon]

NOOO i accidently hit the skull on a diamond

[azure crag]

Right but we said use the .375 inside of 300m... use the .300 BEYOND 300m, where both single lung but the .300 has better parabolics.

[woven ferry]

pythag therom

[autumn torrent]

I nearly do that everytime

[weak falcon]

well not taxidermizing it

[twin spindle]

I wish we could improve trophy rating by doing neck shots or heart shots.

It would be an interesting mechanic.

[woven ferry]

te awaroa in the mountains you can shoot like 650m

if you get in the right place

srp my guide shows you how to shoot 500m easy

[azure crag]

Shooting 500m is easy. Hitting targets that aren't rendered isn't. You'd need mods to extend render range or hope the animal is stationary.

[woven ferry]

i know ...but you can shoot legit 650m or more

[latent marlin]

I can't even shoot 340m cuz it doesn't hit the animal somehow

[twin spindle]

With elevation.

However, im not sure if the engine is that reliable.

[woven ferry]

there are mountains in game ? its part of the game

its maths basically

flat render which is 420m

then you have height x distance can be 650m plus

if you find the right spot

te awaroa you can do it there

[azure crag]

Right, but again distance isn't the issue, render range is.

[twin spindle]

Car

[woven ferry]

back to the actual debate teh .375 is better for one shot downing a animal

done it at 500m

over the 300

[latent marlin]

Why are you avoiding it

[woven ferry]

avoiding what

[latent marlin]

2 people have said render range and distance is the problem

And u avoid the answer

[woven ferry]

it isnt lol

ive proven this in a video shooting animals at 500m

go watch

so what have i avoided ? 🤣

[worldly hedge]

I
shot a diamond goose without realizing it

[latent marlin]

Idk it kinda is cuz I can't shoot a animal over 340m it doesn't hit the animal or penetrate

[woven ferry]

375 is better for one shot take down

if you can shoot

than a 300

literally in the video showing this

[twin spindle]

Both 375 and 300 will just single lung at extreme distances

[junior marsh]

Gotta account for drop

[twin spindle]

But .300 has better ballistic

So, use the .300

[latent marlin]

What

[woven ferry]

and the .375 kills quicker

so dont have to track as far

[twin spindle]

If you single lung you regardless will hav ethe animal run a little bit.

That doesnt matter at these ranges eitherway.

You wan tto make sure you hit the shots that far

[woven ferry]

as said learn to shoot the .375 at distance its better than the 300

[twin spindle]

.300 fires in a linear trajectory.

[woven ferry]

proven

[junior marsh]

Bullet drop. Depending on what gun you are using, you have to adjust where you aim to hit the target

[azure crag]

Both are equal beyond 230m, both one shot down out to render range but the .300 has flatter ballistics and is easier for the average player to use between 300-400m, which is why we say use the .300 beyond 300m.

[woven ferry]

they arent and proven on video lol

[latent marlin]

Moral of the story is just get as close to the animal as you can

[woven ferry]

as said watch learn

[latent marlin]

Didn't think about that

[woven ferry]

moral of story is go try learn see which is better

[azure crag]

You can't single lung at 300m+ with the .300?

[cobalt spear]

Didn't .375 double lung yak when you tested it at 400m

[woven ferry]

you can but your animal runs further than a .375 shot so weaker less damaging

as said watch go learn

[junior marsh]

Yee. Some guns are worse than others and the zeroing perk helps a lot with basic adjustments

[azure crag]

So they do both one shot at render range. Got it.

[woven ferry]

i give up its on video showing you the proof

375 is superior

[latent marlin]

I use zarza moonlight and midnight

[latent marlin]

Nuh uh uh

[cobalt spear]

Ye-ouch

[junior marsh]

375 definitely packs more punch in close to mid range

[woven ferry]

at all ranges lol

[junior marsh]

But idk about long range. Never bothered to shoot it that way

[latent marlin]

Nuh uh

[azure crag]

Your preference for the .375 is understandable but I'm explaining to you why the .300 makes sense as the long range option. It's not a matter of the .375 being worse at 300m+, it's a matter of the .300 being easier beyond 300m.

[woven ferry]

i dont prefer the 375 thats the thing

[twin spindle]

You have to account for diminishing returns. The reason you want to use .375 over .300 is so you can doublelung if .300 cant

[woven ferry]

i use the arzyna 300

[twin spindle]

If both single lung.. just use whatever fires linear.

[woven ferry]

why ? because i can double tap animals

[azure crag]

Something we agree on completely 😆

[latent marlin]

This guy is just really stupid guys I'm sorry to say it

[azure crag]

Manners.

[latent marlin]

It's factual 🙏🏼

[junior marsh]

I feel this is all just a silly conversation to be honest. Is the animal dead from the shot within 2 seconds? Yes? Then who cares lol

[woven ferry]

so basically if you grinding big animals use the arzyna 300. because you can double tap. if you want the single best scoped shot you use at any range the .375

[cobalt spear]

I mean with moose grinding the .375 is best

[woven ferry]

people say its silly as dont understand. 300 runs off you gotta go collect spend extra time travelling extra distance

[upper dust]

I’m new is a piebald mallard rare?

[latent marlin]

No

[cobalt spear]

I see no reason to use the .300 unless grinding class 6 and below

[azure crag]

Both will one tap and you'll need to travel to collect them either way though. The .375 dropping the target 20 meters sooner isn't worth the tradeoff for most average players. You do you though!

[woven ferry]

the .375 less time to die from same shot less time spent collecting

[upper dust]

☹️

[latent marlin]

It's a uncommon

[junior marsh]

Taking literally 1 second of walking past where it might have dropped with the 375 is a negligent amount of time for the average player

[woven ferry]

the thing is you wrong. as said. go watch the video learn. we not always right but i spent a long time testing them against each other

[cobalt spear]

Because if i'm hunting casually, why would i carry the .300 if it performs worse than the .375 at the same range

I'm not going to carry the .300 simply because it's flatter shooting

[upper dust]

So I wasted my money taxing it

[latent marlin]

I think Ron is just rage baiting

[latent marlin]

Yes

[azure crag]

I'm not giving you engagement when I already have experience with both weapons at 400m and know the end result son 😂

[woven ferry]

well if you know you know the .375 is superior

so cool

[junior marsh]

That's up to you. If you like it, it was worth a tax

[upper dust]

😩

[latent marlin]

This guy can never be wrong apparently he's the smartest guy on earth

[upper dust]

Alr bye pookies imma keep playing

[woven ferry]

if you wanna debate anymore go shoot a moose double lung at over 230m with 300,

[junior marsh]

No that's me!

[azure crag]

I know the "superior" firepower isn't worth the difference in parabolics for average players.

[twin spindle]

None of this talk matters if you just get at realistic range (150m) and heartshot with both .300 and .375

This is where skill expression takes part in.
(Yes the .375 also hit the lung here, but doesn't matter)

[azure crag]

No, the whole time I've maintained that the .375 is better at 300m or less. The .300 is better for beyond 300m imo.

[twin spindle]

Just don't have skill issue, and u're gonna drop anything with both.

[junior marsh]

All most players care about and need to know is did it die and did it die quickly. Both answers are yes for 300 and 375

[twin spindle]

at any realistic range.

[junior marsh]

The rest is irrelevant

[cobalt spear]

.375 is better because it's actually good for class 9

I've had .300 not even get single lung at 150m on buffalo

[azure crag]

Hit the shoulder?

[cobalt spear]

Nope

[weak falcon]

and the 375 can use the scopes?

also does it have the same weight as the 300

[cobalt spear]

Perfectly center, just didn't penetrate

[junior marsh]

Charging Buffalo definitely like to bullet sponge 300 ammo

[cobalt spear]

Thankfully it went aggressive and i could get it with the bow

Also a diamond so i didn't want to botch it lol

[azure crag]

Brain them with 10ga slug when you can smell their breath 😆

[junior marsh]

But my harvest check!

[azure crag]

Famous last words of a man who died like Mufasa

[junior marsh]

-# TOO SOON

[azure crag]

Lmfao

[keen holly]

Merry Christmas everyone!

[twin spindle]

Christ is born to you too! 🙂

[keen holly]

Thanks!

[raw pivot]

well tomorrow

[severe nimbus]

Merry Christmas everyone

[lime marlin]

so i was playing on the russia map and i saw this crazy ghost mammoth tusk. it was in an area that made me think "a tusk??? surely i've picked this up before" and when i walked into it, it was like invisible. and then my game crashed lol

[twin spindle]

@azure crag wanna hop one of the serves im at and tell me if im setting up birds correctly?

if u have time

[brittle comet]

Is this an official server like devs by chance ?

[junior marsh]

Tis indeed

[brittle comet]

Ok I have a new map idea

[junior marsh]

Look over #1067511606373785730 to see if it's been suggested already but if not add it!

[azure crag]

Ayyy are you on PS?

Birds don't really work properly on MP but I can look at the setup at least and determine whether it's right

[twin spindle]

PC.

[azure crag]

Ahhh I'm Playstation

I'll make a short vid of my setup when I get home and share it.

[twin spindle]

Thanks.

[brittle comet]

Thanks that really helped and now I can spread my new map idea

[twin spindle]

@neagtive

@azure crag this is my setup

• some beavers on top of it

but idk if thats good

.22lr stealth

sometimes i do closer for shottty but eh

[quartz summit]

Anyone have red deer tips on Te Awaora? Just setup my grind last night.

[twin spindle]

@azure crag do not im multiplayer only as i dont have map dlcs so i cant do multiple tents and blinds and stands and callers so just 1 -2 zones at best and travel to em until next multiplayer session lol

@azure crag i tested .22lr at 110m

and somehow the birds spooked?

you acn see on the screenshot above how i set it up

[lyric mulch]

DANG

[sour raven]

@twin spindle Can I try out that set up I was thinking of building one but I didnt want to spend the money and be bumed out.

[azure crag]

Did the birds spook when you shot or when they tried to land?

[rapid valve]

Guys, I'm eager to start grinding for Great One, but I've never done it before.

The maps I have are the two starting ones, Vurhonga and Sundarpatan (Vurhonga doesn't have a Great One).
Which animal would be most recommended for me?

Note: If possible, I'd like to hunt an animal in a more restricted area, like only half the map, or smaller.

[quartz summit]

I think the starting maps are Layton And Hersch

[twin spindle]

after i shot

but i tested with anotehr flock

and they dont spook

so maybe a bug?

[twin spindle]

Sure

[sour raven]

Bet!

Look at dms!

[azure crag]

.22lr shouldn't spook at 200m, unless the animals are already alert or attentive, but if one of the flock was just inside hearing range it will spook the entire flock.

[twin spindle]

im doing.22lr at 110m

isnt it silent after 100m

[azure crag]

Ahhh then it's iffy. .22 will definitely spook certain species at 100m

[azure crag]

Not completely. Different species have different hearing levels and geese have excellent sight and hearing. Drop back to 150m and you should be okay.

[twin spindle]

im doing wood ducks

what range is enough?

[azure crag]

Ahhh wood ducks may spook as well, idk about them though. I've shot several ducks but not that species yet.

At 150m all class 1 animals should be oblivious to the .22lr, assuming you don't spam fire.

I do use the Zarza though, idk if it's quieter than the Virant. They have different sound profiles but I can't say with certainty that the Zarza is actually quieter, or just seems that way.

[rapid valve]

The list of my mapa:

1. The starters
   2 Vurhongaa
   3 Sundarpatan

Did you understand?

[upper dust]

I’ve been getting pissed at not finding anything good how to I actually find a trophy

[junior marsh]

You have to kill stuff

[upper dust]

Like the best stuff I see in every herd?

[azure crag]

To simplify this as much as possible, shoot the best animals you see and they may respawn better.

[upper dust]

Ok

[quartz summit]

Gotcha! I would recommend Layton Lakes. Sundar has the G1 Tahr which can be a challenge.

[sharp sun]

Who else thinks cotw should’ve added crocs to vurhonga

[lime marlin]

absolutely lol

one of my few but major bones to pick with the devs lol

[sharp sun]

Yea

[azure crag]

Nile Crocs for Africa 2.0

Hippos would be fun. Class 9, always aggressive af and charge on sight lol

[twin spindle]

@azure crag i guess this is a good setup?

[azure crag]

Should be just right!

[twin spindle]

• beavers there

but i think 170m is too much, no?

[inland tree]

These crocodile hunts are fun.

[azure crag]

I typically hunt from 200m+ so I'm not the guy to ask lol

[twin spindle]

.22lr 200m or air rifle

[inland tree]

how about adding a .416 rifle caliber.

[azure crag]

Every weapon aside from the bows.

[lime marlin]

I know they'll never give us a big game map. but i dream about it

[inland tree]

definitely in for the nile crocodile

[lime marlin]

hippos, megacrocs, rhinos, elephants, WOOLY MAMMOTHS???? MEGALODON??????

[twin spindle]

also @azure crag the ducks seem to go from alert to calm in like 15 sconds

usually its 5 seconds

so idk what happened.

[azure crag]

Imagine watching a Nile croc kill the diamond Springbok you've been looking for right as you spot it 😆

[inland tree]

nothing prehistoric thats a nother edition itself ha

[lime marlin]

literally need them to introduce this to the game

[azure crag]

It's always seemed somewhat slow, that's why I usually prefer shotgun for money farms.

[twin spindle]

I do this for dime farms.

I got money.

[azure crag]

Then the wait is worth it!

[twin spindle]

Yeah. But idk if there's a better way.

[azure crag]

The .22lr will absolutely cap a duck at 200m and beyond BTW, no need to worry about kill potential.

[twin spindle]

Sure. Im ujst usure if there's a betetr way tho

unsure*

[azure crag]

Well, since duck herds respawn as soon as you wipe the entire herd, you can use the shotgun method as a sheet mass farming option. I don't specifically hunt ducks or geese for diamonds because they're really common compared to other small game, as a result of the sheer numbers I go through regularly.

Herds. Lmfao. Flocks.

[twin spindle]

Herds lmao.

Well, so gotta wipe whole flock?

What'st he max amount of flocks one ecaller can call?

Since i assumed ducks respawn even if u kill just 1 and if u dont harvesdt yet

[azure crag]

Every flock within range that I've seen. I've had 3-4 flocks sitting right on top of each other across 2 species. Though I set my E-caller up within 200m of like 5 need zones, I get like 30 ducks per minute on average.

[azure crag]

They will eventually respawn if you just kill one, but if you wipe the entire flock they seem to respawn all at once relatively quickly. I've missed all but one in a flock before and a minute later here it comes all alone.

[twin spindle]

do they respawn before harvest?

[azure crag]

Uncertain, as I typically harvest as soon as I kill all the flocks. The ducks pile up so quickly it's difficult to tell where the live ones are if I don't, so what I usually do is shoot as many as I can the first time a set of flocks land, and if I miss a few from those flocks, wait for them to return. Once they return, I kill them, turn off the caller and harvest. Then when I turn the caller back on they come back in pretty quickly.

[thorn rune]

Hello everyone, I am new to the game and I have a question about the community event for killing boars.

Are the rewards time limited skins or something? Or are they just random awards from a fixed pool

[azure crag]

That's a great question. I've never participated despite years of playing.

[twin spindle]

How do we even participate? just kill any 1 boar?

[azure crag]

Great question, I have absolutely no idea. Based on the wordage it would seem that yes, any kills on the target species apply, but I've never considered participation.

[junior marsh]

Essentially, yes. But if we don't reach the goal as a community by the end date, no rewards will be granted

[twin spindle]

So where is the progress bar?

[junior marsh]

As far as we know, they are limited time. This is still a relatively new thing and none of have recycled yet

[thorn rune]

When did it start? Roughly

[azure crag]

Unless the reward is a .38 caliber pellet rifle designed for class 1-3, count me out. 😂

[junior marsh]

Main menu

[junior marsh]

Uuuh. Like a week ish maybe?

[thorn rune]

Sorry, I mean when did they start these community competitions?

[junior marsh]

Year or less? Id have to scroll through the history again for a better estimate

[harsh fractal]

They released challenges just a little over a year ago ( Dec 3rd 2024 ) but the first community challenge happened months after.

[sinful sundial]

I’ve been herd managing and I’m about 1000 harvest with 7 9s in my main spots and mostly 4s and 5s in my exterior zones how much long will it be rng wise for the g1 red deer

[azure crag]

Oh buddy

[thorn rune]

One last question, do you know or have any examples of what the rewards actually entail? The hogmanay thing is quite vague

[junior marsh]

The beauty of RNG is that no one knows

We can only guess

[junior marsh]

They are cosmetics you can use on your guns, tents, etc

[foggy sleet]

Fast traveling to a tent spooks creature right?

[junior marsh]

Yes

[sinful sundial]

But would it be quicker and better to manage with herd management or just to not?

[foggy sleet]

What’s the distant

Distance?

[thorn rune]

While there’s a statistically probable answer, to give it we’d have to know the rate at which you hunt

Failing that, the answer is unfortunately “anywhere from tomorrow to the end of time”

[azure crag]

Just continue HM for the sake of getting potentially rare fur type diamonds, and in that pursuit the G1 will eventually follow

[junior marsh]

Roughly 200 yards ish

[rocky furnace]

until a certain distance yes

[sinful sundial]

I got albino 6 red deer while hm

[junior marsh]

There's lots of debate on if it does or doesn't help. Idk cause I haven't done red deer yet

[azure crag]

An albino diamond would probably be rarer than a G1

[sinful sundial]

I usually get 100 a day like rl or more depending on the day

[azure crag]

You're likely to see one in the next 500 or so, but it is ultimately RNG. A lot of people seem to get them between 1-2k.

[barren swift]

Guys I got 2euro do I buy the modern rifle pack ?

Or there is a better gun pack ?

[azure crag]

Probably not, modern rifle pack is a marksman pack and the guns have somewhat low mag caps compared to other rifles in their class.

[foggy sleet]

I’m setting up for the moose grind rn

[azure crag]

Power Pack 1 seems pretty popular.

[barren swift]

I need the best gun possible

[foggy sleet]

I either want a rare male moose or a g1

[barren swift]

that does the most dmg

[foggy sleet]

But nothing ugly PLS

[barren swift]

And all

[junior marsh]

For what?

[barren swift]

lion and othzr

[foggy sleet]

Get any pack with the malmer 7mm in it

[barren swift]

other

[foggy sleet]

Best gun in the game imo

(I’m biased)

[azure crag]

The King .470 is your boy.

[junior marsh]

You can't just use one gun on everything

[foggy sleet]

It’s 4-9 and it’s very accurate

[twin spindle]

You can calculate rng. We simulated the rng in World of Tanks game (shots can go anywhere in the circle so it's all rng but we wanted to know what it favors mostly)

example:

In progeamming, true randomness does not exist.

[azure crag]

It's class 9 only and has outstanding power. Can't use it for anything else though lmao

[barren swift]

I just want money tbh

idc abt trophy

[sinful sundial]

Yeah I seen that when I researched it and crazy part is I got my g1 fallow with 488 harvests

[junior marsh]

While true is completely unhelpful to the question asked lol

[barren swift]

so what pack do i take ?

[twin spindle]

It isn't. You can calculate actual chances. And it's not fully random, if multiple integer variables go into the calculation, its even easier.

[junior marsh]

My first g1 boar was at harvest 82

[junior marsh]

I'm not going into this conversation that will have no value to the person who was asking for an estimate

[twin spindle]

Especially considering this game has nature balancing mechanic, which means it will force higher level animals of that species.

[junior marsh]

I fully understand statistics and how math works dude lol

[azure crag]

Supposedly. Keep in mind that the details of how animals spawn is largely based on user experience. Discussing the actually inner workings of the game code isn't allowed, so the current perception of how wildlife spawning works could be adjacent to the actual truth.

[twin spindle]

Well, since datamined information is not allowed I guess we can't tell him.

[junior marsh]

Not everyone needs to know the doctorate level inner workings 😅

[twin spindle]

Right, however if it exists on the files...

[junior marsh]

The answer was easy and simple

That's all that was needed

My goodness lol

[azure crag]

I'm aware of how it actually works, but the practical answer is appropriate as well. We don't need to get into severe semantics or "ackhtually" arguments on this one.

[twin spindle]

Yes, but iirc the server doesnt allow you to discuss any datamined or filebased information.

Hence why any answer will not really be helpful.

[junior marsh]

Why are we staying stuck on this

[twin spindle]

As it would be just a guess and not absolute truth.

[azure crag]

Exactly what I said.

[twin spindle]

We're not stuck, I merely informed the guy that we do know the chances and how to skew it based on actual data, just that we can't discuss or show it here hence why he should try somewhere else.

That is much more helpful than "it's random".

[azure crag]

It's RNG.

[junior marsh]

... dude you are so stuck lmao

Again, not everyone needs or wants the finer details

He asked a simple question that required only a simple answer

[azure crag]

It's not particularly helpful or practical to get into probability math anyhow.

[junior marsh]

If he'd asked follow ups to understand more then it would've made sense to expand

It was entirely unnecessary

Plus, you responded to me and not him. So just let it go bro 😂

[twin spindle]

It is if we know the data. That is why I mentioned that. However we arent allowed to discuss it since server rules.

[azure crag]

Which is why it isn't practical or helpful.

Next subject?

[twin spindle]

It is because he is going to find the data in a place that allows it...

[azure crag]

K

[twin spindle]

Just not here. So no rules broken.

[junior marsh]

Is it just me or is this mansplaning going on? 😂

[azure crag]

Nah this is "um actually" Olympics my friend

[haughty loom]

Hi chat

[azure crag]

Hi Ash

[junior marsh]

I don't have enough caffeine in my system yet for this haha

Hiii

[haughty loom]

I’m sitting in a tree stand all day so I’ll probably be talking a lot

[azure crag]

Choot a fat one for me I'm at work!

[haughty loom]

Take Bambi

[twin spindle]

A question, can I say a certain number of animals chance spawn even if its datamined but just say it's in my experience or my guess.

[azure crag]

Don't you dare!

[azure crag]

Not anymore, since you asked like that lmao

[trail lion]

🎄 Happy holidays everyone! 🫡

[twin spindle]

Sure, but wouldnt be any way to prove it's not a guess

Jk jk

[twin spindle]

Christ is born to you too! Have a nice holiday.

[trail lion]

😉

[haughty loom]

I after this buck

[azure crag]

Niiiiice!

[haughty loom]

Yea

[leaden nebula]

They got Cotw on Roblox now…?

[haughty loom]

Of course they do lol

[twin spindle]

Roblox has many game copypastes in different servers or modes, so not surprising.

[azure crag]

Abomination

[twin spindle]

They even made a COD and Counter-Strike roblox games.

With the skins and all.

[leaden nebula]

And the aggravating thing is I bought the dammed kid Cotw

He has Cotw

[twin spindle]

@azure crag by the way, isnt it weird how .22lr can't be used for some class 2 animals?

[rugged pawn]

just a question for just a fun hunting experience nothing to do with money cause i have every gun and stuff what dlc should i get

[twin spindle]

.22lr seems like it would be ethical for say, smaller beavers.

[twin spindle]

mapwise, the best one mathematically is askiy ridge, probably.

[leaden nebula]

Te awora

[rugged pawn]

i can get like 10 dlc

[twin spindle]

In terms of most animal species and classes + overall ease of hunt (rivers etc)

[leaden nebula]

Math in Cotw…abominable

[junior marsh]

Some? If you're using class 1 ammo it doesn't work on any class 2 animals lol

[haughty loom]

Not irl you won’t kill em

[leaden nebula]

No way

[junior marsh]

What do you have the most fun hunting? Or are you just after a variety?

[twin spindle]

Yeah i meant all. Tho the birdshot of shotgun 10ga gauge can be used for class 2 animals

[rugged pawn]

this is my current list, atv, bloodhound, silver ridge, askiy, saseka safari lodge, custom reticle and maybe some more

[twin spindle]

The strandberg.

[rugged pawn]

variety

i love crossbow

is that a dlc

[autumn torrent]

Why did this lvl 3 hazel grouse make silver

I didnt screenshot it

[azure crag]

Not really, it's truncated round has incredibly high pen so it makes sense. It can even brain bison.

[twin spindle]

I sggest instead of bloodhound opt for tracker then train his secondary job as a bloodhoung.

[junior marsh]

For maps id recommend Scotland, Sundar, and Vurhonga (although older) for variety

[haughty loom]

I use a 20ga slug for beavers

[nimble sequoia]

sometimes they troll and are only gold; if you also mess up the harvest check you lose another medal

[rugged pawn]

whats tracker

[twin spindle]

The tracker dog.

pointer

[nimble sequoia]

so if you use unethical ammo, shoot it more than twice

[rugged pawn]

i want a snowy one

[autumn torrent]

Nah it’s literally silver though

[leaden nebula]

Honse

[twin spindle]

Askiy Ridge, Medved taiga.

[rugged pawn]

ah alright thanks man

[nimble sequoia]

you said silver

[nimble sequoia]

roblox goes crazy

[azure crag]

Oh I apologize you said can't. Yes, that is odd, but I think it was to give relevance to the .22mag and Hornet, as well as the .223

[junior marsh]

Askiy is good! Yukon is snow sometimes and also a good map imo

[leaden nebula]

lil bro has Cotw

I purchased it for him

[twin spindle]

I mean i never hunted beavers as there arent any where i'm from irl, but I feel like .22lr could take a beaver irl.

[nimble sequoia]

what did you shoot the bird with

[azure crag]

You can hunt whitetail with a .22 irl, and it's the standard for game like raccoons and beavers.

[junior marsh]

Unrelated
-# are you pig hunting today

[twin spindle]

Yeah and someone else above said that you can't use .22lr irl for beavers.

So, very confusing

[nimble sequoia]

yes, the slaughter must continue

[twin spindle]

I do 100% believe it irl can be done for beavers.

Would be fun if ther was a .22lr weap that is for class 1-2

[nimble sequoia]

adults large enough to be legally taken are often too fat to be killed with .22LR

[azure crag]

State law may vary on where you can or can't use a .22 caliber rifle on certain game.

[nimble sequoia]

here in colorado they average 45lbs

twice as heavy as most of our coyotes

combined thick fur with thick skin and thick fat and a 34gr bullet stops working all that well

[azure crag]

I'm a Nuisance Wildlife professional and I kill beaver, raccoons and other animals for a living. The .22lr is my go to.

[nimble sequoia]

hell i know people who shoot them with .270s

[junior marsh]

Then you shall find me in a place of shenanigans while I also commit boar murder

[nimble sequoia]

bonk to the head is my assumption

[azure crag]

Correct.

[nimble sequoia]

cause idk if a 34gr .22 bullet can do enough damage in the chets cavity on a beaver

[twin spindle]

Yeah their thick fur might be an issue

[nimble sequoia]

theyre so damn fat

[twin spindle]

but .22 isnt really a "weak" round.

I mean, people can drop other people with a few .22lr.

[nimble sequoia]

no its just small and thick tissue is not its friend

[azure crag]

I would think not, headshots are the way to go.

[nimble sequoia]

im not gonna lie people are not a good proxy for bullet effectiveness

[twin spindle]

Raccoons i understand, but which ones else are you doing with .22lr?

[nimble sequoia]

we're very much not bullet resistant

[twin spindle]

I've seen people do a coyote with .22lr, but that's definitely not ethical imo.

I'm not just talking about the legality, just the overall "what's realistic to use against"

as laws vary across countries either way.

[azure crag]

Everything legally controlled by my wildlife and fisheries license can be legally culled with a .22lr. Beaver, raccoon, skunk, fox, Coyote, squirrel, opossum, etc.

[twin spindle]

We, for example, are allowed to take smaller game with 7.62 mosin nagant where i'm from.

[nimble sequoia]

i think if you shot a yote with 7.62x54R there'd be a fist sized exit wound and the pelt wouldnt be usable at all

[rugged pawn]

does anybody have a good map set up because im looking to hunt some dlc maps to decide which ones i want

[twin spindle]

Yes, but i mean for food for example.

hence why i said legality is irerlevant, im talking about "realistic" one

it seems realistic to use .22lr for beavers.

But, we have none, so Im not sure.

[nimble sequoia]

i mean, thatd still be tones of meat damage

and yotes also just dont have much on them to begin with

and tend to carry parasites they got from domestic dogs like trichinosis

theyre really only shot for fur and culling

[twin spindle]

Yeah i dont really shoot coyotes, my family used to hunt exclusively boars as we consider that to be purely ethical because they're very invasive here.

[azure crag]

You can hunt whitetail deer with a .22lr and if you place your shot right it is both effective and low damage to meat, but not practical and even illegal in some states. Many people also refer to centerfire .22 rounds as .22lr but they're more commonly referred to as .223. The biggest distinction between rimfire and centerfire .22s, practically speaking, is how much powder sits behind the bullet.

[twin spindle]

Avoid deer and similar.

Wolves are also considered "freedom" animals and hunters will avoid it out of respect.

[nimble sequoia]

and also the weight of the bullet

the grain weight up to doubling between 22LR and .223 Rem does have a significant effect

[azure crag]

You should also remember I'm an NWCO, my Harvests are often not in typical hunt situations and are usually conducted within 100yds. I have no idea how lethal, if at all, a .22lr would be on small game like raccoons beyond that. I've never tried and never would.

[nimble sequoia]

i think the only thing i'd use .22lr on past 100 yards is stuff that weighs less than like 5lbs

id shoot collarred doves with it past that

prairie dogs

[azure crag]

Rabbits would be the biggest target for me.

[nimble sequoia]

squirrel if it would somehow not move long enough to pull the trigger that far

and yeah rabbits

[twin spindle]

For squirrels, we only use those pellet air rifles.

Nothing else is consideret ethical for it here.

[azure crag]

I've domed squirrels at 75yds with a .177 pellet rifle, I'm positive a .22lr would send them straight to hell.

[nimble sequoia]

y'all likely have small squirrel species

in the US we have these fat little gremlins called fox squirrels

and the adults weigh an average of like 3lbs

and have gotten as heavy as 5.5 to 6

theyre rabbit sized

pines and eastern greys can also get similarly fat but not as extreme

more an avrg of like 2lbs up to 4lbs

[twin spindle]

I mean, the general consensus here is that if a weapon or ammunition can drop an animal pretty fast and without much suffering, you're allowed to use it here (balkans)

so technically speaking, this is why we can use a .50cal to smaller to mid game eveN (no one does that anyways)

But as an unwritten rule, ive yet to see a hunter shoot a squirrel here with anything else above air pellet rifle.

Those rifles are usually non-license needed and are for smaller birds too.

[reef quiver]

whats the best gun for level 3 animals (im mainly going after roe deer)

[twin spindle]

Frost 257

[reef quiver]

is it dlc?

[twin spindle]

Yes

[reef quiver]

dam what dlc

any non dlc option?

or js from diff dlc

bc i got a few

[rugged tendon]

243 its good

[reef quiver]

the ranger?

[rugged tendon]

yes

[reef quiver]

ok

rn im using some green thing thats 2-4 but it lwk got no penetration

does pierce enough to hit heart on roe deer..

[gusty hound]

I agree, had a lot of great roe deer hunts with that gun early after release

[reef quiver]

ok

so ranger is the way to go?

[rugged tendon]

ranger is the way to go👍

[reef quiver]

ight ty

[gusty hound]

yep, though dlc wise I prefer the .257. Been treating me well on the new map

[twin spindle]

It's the best 2-6 gun so no surprise.

[gusty hound]

I only got it recently so mi just now discovering how good it is

[reef quiver]

how much is the dlc?

i may be able to get

[gusty hound]

uhhh not sure off the top of my head, but they're all relatively affordable

[twin spindle]

about 2$ iirc

[wise bobcat]

steam down for everyone or just me?

[rugged pawn]

can anybody let me hunt there reserve im tryna get a mounatin goat for a mount

[junior marsh]

#🦌︴find-a-game is your place for that!

[rugged pawn]

alr thanks

[twin spindle]

What time is wood duck?

[dawn vale]

When are they gonna fix multiplayer

[serene sparrow]

hi

[twin spindle]

at what range does 4x4 spook?

[vocal violet]

Where's the best area for pine marten
I've been to focused on boar grinding to explore the rest of the map

[serene sparrow]

I want to make money what do i do i do not have any of the dlc reserves

[junior marsh]

Just shoot stuff and do your singleplayer missions

[cobalt spear]

500m

[foggy sleet]

Is this the great one

[twin spindle]

ty

[ornate cobalt]

Yes

[foggy sleet]

Finally grind is over

Only took 6 kills

[storm parcel]

I just killed my second diamond yesterday!

Does anyone have any tips for farming great one whitetail

[cobalt spear]

Don't worry about great ones now, just play the game normally and get experienced

[storm parcel]

Ok sounds good

[coarse whale]

World record right their

[foggy sleet]

I mean a moose that small has to be rare no?

[twin spindle]

@azure crag this could be an interesting farm beaver+duck farm

there's like 20 more ducks up there in the middle that didn't float

just shoot beavers in head with .22lr, they die

22lr is also the cheapest ammo available iirc

so if something can die from it, it's most efficient for money I guess, esp if floating so u don't chase

also, if im sitting next to a blind

will i get blind effectiveness or if im on top

or do i need to be inside

[storm parcel]

Jeez Thats a lot

[hollow frigate]

does anybody have a map for mule deer on silver ridge peaks?

[marsh haven]

Got a vietnam era helmet replica to go along with my airsoft m14

My nephew shot me in the helmet with his little toy wooden bow and it felt weird cause i could feel it deflect off the metal

[foggy sleet]

Diamond moose have been loving me lately

I went from 0 to 4 in a week

But why can’t one of them be a super rare 😞

[marsh haven]

Bro i have had the same issue lol

[night fern]

Thank you

[foggy sleet]

I’m hoping there’s one on my med ved map that I need to find still

Looking for all my drink zones rn

[marsh haven]

I havent been on medved in a while

[foggy sleet]

Idk how to set up herd management tho cuz im finding 3s and up everywhere

[foggy sleet]

Honestly I’m starting to like it, mainly for moose tho

[night fern]

Dude I literally only touch New England and rev askiy and the new map and sometimes England coast it I wanna hunt quail

[foggy sleet]

I really like Yukon

And Africa

And Layton lakes those are probably my big 3

Oh and India

And I’m starting to like Scotland

[night fern]

Yeah I’m just farming woodcock till I get a dime

Here’s all my trophies from last night

[marsh haven]

Where do u even get woodies i cant find em on askiy much

[true lake]

Bottom right

[night fern]

Theirs like a spot like 460 meters from a outpost

[marsh haven]

Ive like only been able to get pintails and i got 16 gold pins yesterday

[twin spindle]

I can't get a dime wood duck but I got an albino gold (almost diamond) gouse

make it make sense.

[night fern]

I literally with my luck I have almost 10 mela birds and most of them are silver except 1

[twin spindle]

It doesnt help the fact that wood ducks (or birds in general) are the easiest to farm

alot of them spawn always in a flock and are easy to find in general, and easy to kill.

But i hare a dia red deer, a dia gator.. a piebald moose..

albino gouse

but no dia woodduck. ffs

[hollow frigate]

.

[amber summit]

Yea its on google

[dense silo]

Does anyone know if sambar have herds or just solos

[azure crag]

You'll know you're getting "structure" bonus when your visibility icon flatlines. AFAIK you have to be properly inside the structure though.

[azure crag]

As a rule I don't hunt animals with the wrong caliber, but yes I would absolutely utilize a hunt like that and just alternate the .22lr and .45

[twin spindle]

45 ammo costs more tho

and ther'es no reason not to use .22lr vs beaver, as they die and float to u 30secs later (since ammo is like 200 only for .22lr i think thats the cheapest ammo aside from the free ones)

• its silent for both duck and beavers

[manic tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220308025785712693/1453493767045644289/absolute_Haggis2.gif

[azure crag]

Class 3 is one of the best classes to hunt because so many guns drop them easily. Use what you like and use Hollow-Point (expansion rounds). Classes 2 and 3 die to Single Lung shots from Expansion ammo so quickly. If you're after a silent option that won't spook easily and can drop them quickly, the .45 Cyclone can reach out and bad-touch class 3s up to 300m, and won't spook until about 100m.

[azure crag]

.45 air rifle rounds are like $200 or $220 each, pretty cheap

[twin spindle]

.22lr can also drop class 3 iirc

and is way more cheaper

but not the correct class sadly

[azure crag]

I don't use unethical rounds on larger classes so I won't recommend them either.
22lr can drop class 9s cold if you shoot right.

[twin spindle]

can a .45 cyclone too?

just for reference, what's the farthest range a .22lr can drop a class 9 and where?

(without spooking)

[azure crag]

I've never tried, but possibly. It would require a brain shot. For large class 9s like Bison that would be a shot at the base of the neck and skull from behind.

[azure crag]

You can only do it by braining.

[twin spindle]

Ive tried braining beavers, the .22 ingame doesn't go past fur.

Lol.

They still die tho but still.

[azure crag]

You can bypass the skull on certain parts of many animals' head. For bison it's shots behind the head, for a beaver it may be as well. You could likely penetrate and break the neck at the base of the skull as well. I have seen many instances of players braining Bison and other class 9s by shooting them between the eyes at point blank with the .22 pistol, as well, making it an excellent defense weapon if you can shoot.

It's not something easy to do though. I'll play around with it and see what, if any, range it stops being feasible.

[twin spindle]

Can you screenshot where exactly on the back skull?

a neck shot?

[marsh haven]

Fellas fellas, just get the strandberg 10 ga sa

[azure crag]

When I get home from my Christmas party I will

[azure crag]

When I get home from my Christmas party I will

[azure crag]

That'll do it 😆

[regal mauve]

hey guys with the premium trophy mounts do they come with some extra wood decals for the mounts or are they still limited to cosmetic packs?

[twin spindle]

Ty

[cobalt spear]

FUHHHH no

[cobalt spear]

they come in the trophy pack

[twin spindle]

@azure crag how do i know if i overfarmed a certain zone for birds? (i mean since birds ignore deadzones?)

But usually I can farm like 3 flocks in this area i am in before they won't spawn for the next 30 40 mins for some reason(?)

[weak falcon]

So what dlc is the 375 in

[twin spindle]

bolt action one iirc

[weak falcon]

What's it's magazine size and reload

[twin spindle]

5 or 4 and reload is 1 by 1

.300 is reload at once

[weak falcon]

Time between shots?

[twin spindle]

1.5s

its bolt loaded

so its shoot + load bolt again then shoot

animation

[weak falcon]

Hmm and do the fast reload make it faster

[twin spindle]

the fast what

[weak falcon]

Perk in handgun tree

[twin spindle]

if its rifle i have all rifle perk iirc

so this is with it.

[green bay]

anyone have a png of the gold medal in cotw?

[flat vault]

I got my first diamond ever in 9 hours in the game, is that good?

[twin spindle]

Yes

u wanna play?

[plucky rock]

Crawling down by the river in the Sahara looking for warthogs is the best tme Ive had in this game

[flat lotus]

I’m on my fallow grind rn is it good that half my population is solos?

[twin spindle]

Will having a tent spook animals in that area

Or just the placing of tent and spawning in it will?

[zealous light]

What all feeders do bear go to

[twin spindle]

are beavers affected by game feeders?

from dlc

[night fern]

Someone explain please what’s the rumbling

[night fern]

#🦌︴help-and-tips

[night fern]

#🦌︴help-and-tips

[night fern]

#🦌︴help-and-tips

[humble nest]

I love how you ask a question here then send everyone else who asked a question here to another channel

[tawny shard]

Merry Christmas guys

[haughty loom]

Same to you

[azure crag]

My experience has been that they will infinitely return. I have two zones set in one map, one for 3 species of duck and the other for 2 species of goose. They have never stopped coming in. I will only see a lull if I shoot a flock down to 1 or 2 members, in which case I end up with just a couple coming in at a time. But as soon as they're shot, they return in full force.

I do, however, have both zones set with numerous need zones just outside of the dead zone radius.

[humble nest]

Mine don't infinitely return

I have to stop shooting them for full flocks to come back, otherwise they come back in like tiny groups and rarely a small flock

And this is in salz at the marsh area - I have decoys for every species that goes there in one spot

[wild sandal]

Is there reduced hunting pressure from hunting stands that u get with 2000 credits like with the tripods and tree stands

[twin spindle]

I see, thanks, mine don't return after some time for some reason.

Also, since i play multiplayer only, how do need zones aka drinkzones differ? will every server have different place for drinkzones (and will it resetfor the owner eventually too?etc)

[humble nest]

Yes

[flat vault]

Guys can i customize my zeroing distances? What if the target is 200 meters away?

[humble nest]

Shoot at 150m

You can aim exactly where you would if it was 150m away

[twin spindle]

@flat vault wanna play?

[humble nest]

Don't set 300 it'll be too high

[flat vault]

I can't mate

[flat vault]

Yeah but what if I'm 200 meters away, aim a bit higher for bullet drop?

[humble nest]

For me anything in render without binoculars (around 200-220m) gets shot with 150 zeroing

No

You don't need to

Anything over like 250m gets shot with 300m zeroing

If you aim in the middle of the torso behind the front leg it'll hit vital

Just don't aim low

[flat vault]

Ok thanks

[humble nest]

Np

[flat vault]

Boy is layton boring

[humble nest]

Mess around with it, see what works for you

Lmao

[azure crag]

Yes every player, and therefore every server, will have unique zones.

Also, birds are notably buggy in MP, so it's possible that could have something to do with it too.

[azure crag]

Aim compensation will vary from rifle to rifle, but most that zero at 150m will still hit nearly on at 200m. Which rifles in particular do you use?

[twin spindle]

Makes sense, so if i buy askiy ridge dlc, and open it only singleplayer once

and discover 100% of the map, it would be always the same zones forever?

[azure crag]

Until you blow them yes.

[flat vault]

Malmer 7mm, 243, zarza 308 and the 22lr

[twin spindle]

Wdym by this?

The need zones are on timer

And don't they swap everytime?

[flat vault]

No

[azure crag]

Dead zones or herd elimination will eliminate zones, they will respawn elsewhere

[flat vault]

He means if you kill the zone

[twin spindle]

Ah good, ty

[twin spindle]

So how do people do herd management

without killing a zone?

Also, does night affect the distance at when will animals and birds spookk?

[azure crag]

They use structure to reduce pressure buildup and rotate through several herds

[twin spindle]

I tested .22lr at night on askiy ridge for wood duck

At 140m

Seems like they dont spook at 140m, but on day they would at 150m+ i believe

[thorn rune]

Are they randomized per session?

[azure crag]

No. They are permanent unless you blow them, and spawn with the map's first load up.

I've kept the same zones in Layton for like 4 years

[thorn rune]

Do they respawn if you blow them?

[twin spindle]

He just said they do

But is it on any part of the map or nearby tho

[azure crag]

Yes but somewhere else, they won't reset at a dead zone. If you kill an entire herd and reset a zone that way it's possible but unlikely that they will reset in the same place.

[twin spindle]

But yeah so basically the meta for herd management would be to permanently blow every single zone until you get the species you want and have ALL zones only for that species

right?

Then you set up tents+stands or blinds whatever

and never blow them and have like 20 zones of same species.

[thorn rune]

I am on mobile so I can only see a couple messages at a time, my bad

[azure crag]

If you have a zone in a really annoying area, say difficult to hunt, you can intentionally blow it and move it somewhere else.

[twin spindle]

But the next zone is random.. not of that species necessarily, right?

[azure crag]

While that would be ideal, it's not really possible. You can intentionally delete a zone but you have no control where it goes and I believe there's a limit to how many zones can be in one place.

You can never permanently reduce the population of a species on a map, the animals and their zones will ALWAYS return.

[thorn rune]

Within 200m, will the Gandhare perform better than the .375 H&H? Slightly lower penetration but massive expansion

[azure crag]

Expansion is highly underrated and poorly understood, as well as more situational than penetration focused projectiles.

[elfin sparrow]

Guys does feeder work with snowleopard and tahr ??

[twin spindle]

So there is always a guaranteed amount of zones for each species on each map ?

However, you can't take away of some species zone to get another species zone?

[thorn rune]

I really wish I could see the velocity of certain rounds so as to know how much to lead rifle shots.

Is there a resource on that?

[twin spindle]

It's just fixed?

[azure crag]

High expansion rounds do massive trauma damage to organs as well as increase bleed rate, and under the right circumstances can match or exceed the damage output of penetration rounds.

The downside is their reduced ability to bypass bone or particularly thick flesh, such as the fatty chests of bison. So, shot placement for expansion rounds is much more important, and if you hit a shoulder going for a lung shot, you're likely to fail to kill. But if you shoot well and land a single lung, with many high expansion rounds this will result in the animal dying very quickly compared to if you single lung with a penetrating round.

[azure crag]

Correct! If you eliminate a zone it just moves, it isn't lost. You just have to find where it moved to and keep moving it until you like where it is.

The problem with multiple zones of different species being stacked up together, is that if you create a dead zone, all of the need zones within that dead zone will move, not just the species you shot.

So, you have to selectively and patiently eliminate the entire herd instead, to move only their need zone, while also not raising pressure enough to blow the whole area.

Quite frankly it's a pain in the ass.

[thorn rune]

Just as real life. I figured expansion mattered, but ofc the issue is that if an expansion round doesn’t hit an organ it doesn’t do much, correct?

Irl there’s the complexity of arterial bleeds and such that make shoulder shots quite lethal with a high expansion round, ect

[twin spindle]

Isn't that perfect for HM anyways? because you will almost always only shoot 1 or 2 animals in a single herd (for herd management u leave 1s and females etc)

So you can get one place with like 3 zones or 4 of same species

[azure crag]

Your best bet is to go to the range at Hirschfeld and practice your shots. You can see in real time when the shot lands with the target display, and from there estimate rough arrival time at different distances.

[twin spindle]

And just need to kill like 5 or 6 total

which wont blow a zone

[modern light]

Merry Christmas to all

[azure crag]

Yeah, but there's basically no benefit to cutting out other species. They don't compete and getting zones to overlap is incredibly arduous. By the time you got a "golden" zone with numerous herds of your wanted species you'll likely have gotten diamonds and a great one, because the amount of areas any given zone can jump to is astronomical, and if you don't blow a zone, there's a chance the eliminated herd and it's zone will respawn within the same area you're trying to remove them from.

I'm not saying it isn't possible, it's just an incredibly annoying task.

[twin spindle]

By this logic, no reason to do any zone management ever when grinding a species, just place a tent and a tripod anywhere u find a zone for your species and only farm them?

[azure crag]

All that said, with some luck and some clever shooting of males and females you CAN get a few zones within 300m of each other relatively efficiently, and stack them primarily with males for easy hunting. I have the swamp in Layton stacked with 4 herds, one is all-male and the others have 3+ males each. I made a mistake making the all-male herd though, it means I have to be very careful not to shoot all of them or the herd is gone. And they're all 2/3s. 💀

[azure crag]

That's what herd management is. Find zones you like, rotate through them, and use the zones you dislike as exterior zones to push unwanted animals out. Zone Management in itself isn't really a thing, but is technically possible.

[vocal violet]

G1 boar #3 just spawned in Abt 120 kills

[twin spindle]

wdym as exterior zones and unwanted animals?

And also "you like" you mean just be correct species?

[azure crag]

Animals in a specific herd won't always respawn in the herd you saw them.

Say you have a herd you really like, but there's a scrawny little male ruining it. And say there's another herd you don't like the area of, but it's got a fantastic male that you want to hunt.

Shoot both males, and there's a chance they will respawn in the other's herd. Like musical chairs.

[thorn rune]

thank you for the advice!

[twin spindle]

Makes sense, but why wouldn't you "like" other area

If you have tents and tripods set up, it doesnt matter where the zone is then(?)

As you're just teleporting, really.

[leaden nebula]

If you don’t like smt you don’t like it

[azure crag]

By zones you like I mean in areas that you like. Sometimes a herd's zone will be like, in a dip or behind cover or just generally not easy to hunt. Those zones suck and you can either blow them or keep them as an exterior zone. Zones you like are zones you look at and go Oh this is a great spot to set up a blind and a tent.

[twin spindle]

Also can we at night be closer when shooting to not spook?

Or is that not a mechanic at night

[twin spindle]

Fair enough, i still dont understand the concept of exterior zones tho

ideally wouldn't you want no zones at all except just your species zones nearby but outside of the blowning area

[thorn rune]

I got the legendary marksman achievement (400+m shot) yesterday with my very first shot ever of the drilling on a springbok.

Didn't even fire the gun prior, just guessed what the elevation should be against a 150m zero and aimed like 1.5m above it

[twin spindle]

so that way you dont even have to teleport, u can just walk 200m or whatever blown ozne is and get an angle to delete the species yo uwant and males yo uwant

[azure crag]

Oh sorry I meant to answer this earlier. Animals at night, or animals at rest, may have lower senses than usual. I find I can casually walk up to animals within 40m or sometimes less at night or when they are resting at any time of day.

I've stumbled onto Red Deer and shot them at 15m, when usually they warn me if I'm anywhere within 100m during the day.

[twin spindle]

Thanks, but what about shooting?

Im at 130-140m range with .22lr for wood duck during night

and they aren't spooking.

On day i only tested 150+

[azure crag]

It's because bad, or low level, animals will always respawn. You can't get rid of them, so exterior zones give you somewhere to put them.

[thorn rune]

I presume the .454 has tremendous damage falloff so that even if you land a shot at 200m you will not be doing much damage, right

[azure crag]

Senses = Sight, Sound, Hearing. Shooting = Hearing. I can't confirm for certain that they always spook less at night or that it applies to all species, but many species do seem to be dumber and deafer at night.

[twin spindle]

Cool, thanks

One more. What's the maximum zones of a certain species on one map?

Or that varies per map?

or even per species ( yes i know the game will always respawn and balance zones by giving u same zones and species if one is deleted but how many )

[azure crag]

Not necessarily, massive rounds tend to have large drop-off, meaning the bullet falls really fast, but they also have a tendency to hold their destructive power for longer as a trade-off. The 45-70 for example can only single-lung a moose at 50m and has pretty steep drop-off compared to a .300 or something, but it's damage at 50m and 400m is basically the same.

[azure crag]

Uncertain, but more than anyone can efficiently hunt even if they wanted to. Dozens? Maybe close to a hundred? Somewhere in between, most likely.

[twin spindle]

That seems counterintuitive, what would be the point of that gun keeping damage high even at 400m when it can only single lung at 50m lol

[twin spindle]

Ah, so we don't know (unless we datamine i guess)

Thanks

[azure crag]

Heavy rounds IRL do the same thing. Because they're heavy they drop faster, but because they're heavy they retain kinetic energy longer too.

[twin spindle]

But i'll assume finding like 10 zones for one species is usually on the higher end, yes?

[azure crag]

The standard for a rotation is between 10 and 20. I'm more small scale and tailor my primary zones more, so for Whitetail I have about 8 primary zones and the 20ish along my western River in Layton is mostly exterior herds.

[twin spindle]

But also, to be clear, It's fair to assume there won't be an equal amount of zones for every species right?

Some species might naturally have less zones than other species, when u load the game, correct?

Like, by default, they'd have less maximum zones possible.

[spark ibex]

how does one join vc?

just chat alot?

[azure crag]

Correct, the max amount of zones, and the max amount of individual animals by species, will vary by species and even by map.

It's also possible it varies by player. I may have more whitetail than you on Layton and you may have more Moose, etc. Unknown on that last one though, it's just my conjecture.

[azure crag]

Talk it up baby. You'll get silver and unlock the fun stuff over time.

[twin spindle]

Cool, so that means there are species that will usually be easier to farm and grind because they will naturally have max available zones possible or obtainable.

[spark ibex]

welp im kinda new is there a best map?

[twin spindle]

Like, a boar might have 30 maximum while whitetail 20 etc

[hollow frigate]

finally got something nice

another albino