suggestion-discussion

[quartz basalt]

do as you wish

Nevertheless: devs should fix game stability in ashlands

[royal lily]

What if I wish to not fix stability in the ashlands

[quartz basalt]

too many people will let you know that you are in minority

[royal lily]

Yeah but ur advice was bad then

[quartz basalt]

ragebaits....I see you are bored

[royal lily]

Believe as you wish

[quartz basalt]

Yet, you tried to counter my not related message out of spite

[royal lily]

What else do you think it could be?

[quartz basalt]

nothing besides some insecurity

but I don't blame you for that

[royal lily]

Youre a very smart and intuitive young man

Dw ull think of something

[quartz basalt]

some day youll get tired from this

[royal lily]

Nope

[quartz basalt]

yeah you will

[royal lily]

I wasnt

[barren oasis]

Nah I agree with the other guy. Queen is way harder than any boss before it

[royal lily]

Thats fine I def think yag is hard

[finite folio]

Lol talk your shit silver grid 🙂‍↕️

I’m doing a playthrough to finish Ashlands and will get back to seeing if the difficulty is still off

Lowkey

I remember the vine staff being just as ridiculous though that weapon is crazy

[shadow crow]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-here-get-tf-outta-here-lion-king-simba-throw-gif-17502134

[spiral ice]

Yagluth is very easy. That fight requires patience, but not much actual skill.

[runic plover]

Therein lies the difficulty.

[royal lily]

Yeah I havent figured out how to evade his attacks really so even though im good with keeping stamina i take hits i shouldn't

[spiral ice]

Use the fingers at his summoning altar. They block his meteors and laser really well. When he does his fire slam, run around the finger to draw him out of the flames.

[royal lily]

Thanks ill keep that in mind

[spiral ice]

You got this! He has been killed, broken, banished, burned and buried many times before. And he will suffer all of those things yet again.

[spiral ice]

@robust glen #suggestions message
Those kind of already exist in the game.

[robust glen]

??? there is 3rd bomb?

ooze and fire bomb, but i didnt see another one

[peak bronze]

Have you found bog witch by a chance?

She sells items that are used for certain types of "bombs".

[robust glen]

but they are some kind of summons

[peak bronze]

Frost variants are close to that slowing effect.

[robust glen]

i dream about weapon that doesnt try to kill you😭

i ll try frost blob in ashlands

[peak bronze]

Use it against enemies and let them kill each others.

[robust glen]

i dont trust them at first

but give them a try

[peak bronze]

It will probably be the only blob version that works in Ashlands, since they belong to mountain faction vs all other blobs belong to undead faction which is allied with demon faction (where Ashlands mobs belong).

[robust glen]

didnt know lol, thank you

[peak bronze]

I like to use tar blob vials for dvergr settlements with starred mages.
If they get the backstab timed right they kill them mages very quickly.

[analog moss]

does smashing the vial not upset the dvergr?

[peak bronze]

Not when you smash it on ground.

[analog moss]

so the vial itself does no damage.

[peak bronze]

Vial itself deals little blunt damage on impact.

But if you throw it on ground it just spawns the blob and damage won't hurt any other.

[analog moss]

so you can't toss one inside a dvergr tower in ML.

or do they give you a couple of chances?

[peak bronze]

I mean, they don't attack right away if you hit the structures by accident for example.

So you can throw vial inside the tower and they just warn you.

They become hostile immediately only if you directly attack them or break something inside the ward area. But if you keep hitting structures they eventually will become hostile too.

[wanton atlas]

@tacit yew if you purify draugrs, you would have dead corpses basicly. they wouldn't magically turn alive again.

[fast void]

Also no villagers 😭 plz.

[rose swan]

If I’m remembering right, the Draugr were enemies of Odin- I wouldn’t imagine he would appreciate us undoing his work

[austere rain]

Why do people not want villagers?

I'd mostly want someone to refuel stuff without needing a mod

[fast void]

Why do you want them in a game where the entire point is to leave?
Seems cruel.

[austere rain]

Why build bases if the point is to leave?

[fast void]

Now you're getting it.

[lament zinc]

Because according to the opening text you are "alone" there.

YEs, I'm aware you're able to play this game together with friends, but all of you are still dropped off by a Valkyrie in an empty world.
A world where others have tried to do the same thing as before and failed.

[tacit yew]

ah yeah bad wording i should've said resurrect. the point was return them to a non hostile form anyway

[wanton atlas]

well.. we don't want anything like that to be non-hostile really 🥲

wolfs are basicly dogs.
lox is like a fluffy cow
and boar are pigs

but humanoids isn't really ment to be "tamed"

[tacit yew]

it would be the same ethical question of minecraft villager trading halls but truly i just wanna populate my world once the big bad is slain.

[lament zinc]

Wait, you mean we won't get a Tamed Smiffe in this game? 😿

[wanton atlas]

And no thorins either

[lament zinc]

But we got thorns. They're part of the thistle. 🤔

[tacit yew]

odin final boss confirmed⁉️ gonna beat his ass with an army of draugr

[fast void]

You want to populate the world that you're leaving after said bad guy is slain?

[tacit yew]

i'm gonna stay actually i don't need my memories when i can make the fantasy viking world of my dreams

[fast void]

Get in, kill Forsaken, get out.
That's the game.
The point is to get to Valhalla. Not stay in Valheim.

Staying in purgatory when heaven is available is a wild choice.

[tacit yew]

it is the pursuit of heaven that taught me where heaven truly is, home. heim if you will. on valheim. here i have a beautiful natural world in which i can lead a simple life, only i long for companionship.

[lament zinc]

Guess that means looking in https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1024264966712340510.

Or build a base close to an occupied Dvergr Tower in Mistlands .

[tacit yew]

this is true, why surround myself with the illusion of a thriving community when i could form one earnestly.

i still wanna beat the shit out of odin though

[peak bronze]

You can in ||God of War||.

[wanton atlas]

Odin sends you on a mission since he cannot do it himself

so why would he be the final boss when he is in fact, your employer?

[fast void]

You mean Dad of Boy?

[peak bronze]

https://giphy.com/gifs/playstation-god-of-war-kratos-nodding-HFbtg3SmlDx8f9g4dJ

[tacit yew]

the original boss becomes the final boss, it's fitting. that the reward is valhalla means he's keeping from me the bare minimum standards of afterliving: home, community, and sustenance. only, in valheim, through the hard work of a dedicated and organized band of vikings, we can achieve this without odin. are the forsaken truly evil, or just not malleable to odin's order? if odin's order cannot guarantee me that which a human being is naturally entitled too while still demanding i do his labor, what good is this order for me? i'll have none of it, i'll see it toppled, i will.

[peak bronze]

Evidently fighting Odin at the end is not in the mind of developers.

[shadow crow]

You underestimate how willing I am to fight my boss

[tacit yew]

tragically capitalism is not the final boss of valheim

[shadow crow]

The final boss is Haldor and his sister

[wanton atlas]

please don't make this a political thing.
this isn't the place

[peak bronze]

Nah, it's more probably Ulf. After experiencing all the inconveniences of different biomes in Valheim and almost burning his beard with Ember staff he finally got enough.

[tacit yew]

i see this is why we must stick to subtle and creative language

[shadow crow]

See? This is why we don't talk about Odin being the final boss. Now he's taken away thumbs! 🤣

[thick bridge]

Anyone else not able to see the voting system for some suggestions?

[austere rain]

The pinned comment mentions to make sure the Odin bot isn't blocked.

And it has people to ask if it still isn't working

[thick bridge]

It isn’t

@nimble coral @arctic charm

[stiff stag]

Seems to be working now.

[lament zinc]

All reactions seem to be working, but the one on the suggestion done by Morning still won't show the emoji's.

[stiff stag]

Pretty sure it doesn't happen retroactively, and moderators have to manually add the reactions in that case.

[austere rain]

The suggestion above it also is missing thumbs up

[shadow crow]

And nord's suggestion only got thumbs down & recycle reactions

[stiff stag]

They could wait for the moderators to add the reactions, or they can try to delete and repost so the bot can apply them.

[gaunt harness]

#suggestions message

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mewing-mew-cat-mewing-mewing-tutorial-mewing-cat-gif-495067373805540650

[thick bridge]

I just did that again. Figured I’d make it easier for the mods when copy and paste is fast and free

[arctic charm]

Seems Odin is indeed having issues, and unfortunately nothing can be done at this moment. Moon is the one that hosts, but it's pretty late where he's at. We'll work on keeping an eye on suggestions that get missed by Odin. I'll look in every so often

[thick bridge]

One of the people there is having an issue with their post though, it doesn’t have a thumbs up

Thanks for helpin out Hyper!

[arctic charm]

[languid ibex]

This suggestion is the best I have ever read, 10/10 #suggestions message

[stiff stag]

He posted it twice, so he technically suggested mewtwo.

[finite folio]

Lol capitalism would be a cool end goal though, it’s already mine as much as it can be 😂 economically speaking, since it’s an economical system

valheim is already heavy resource and some land maxing

like it fits

[spiral ice]

You weren't worthy of the bare minimum standards of Valhalla when you died. Odin is giving you the chance to earn it in spite of that fact. Pretty gracious boss imo.

[tacit yew]

capitalism isn't just when you accumulate resources, that's just called accumulating resources. capitalism is the consequences of individual ownership over the means of production for the profit of one rather than collective ownership for the enrichment of many.

[tacit yew]

i'm aware of that, i'm saying that the notion that anyone is unworthy of those standards is my problem with odin. almighty odin can't do this task but some viking supposedly unworthy of the bare minimum can, just to be rewarded with nothing more than that bare minimum? hell no i don't want to work for this guy. i wanna beat his ass with hammers.

[spiral ice]

Then play a different game.

[languid ibex]

It's more akin to being a landscaper for the gods, and tending to the annoying weeds that keep attempting to root themselves back into the beautifully crafted home of the world tree. Odin is taking on far more important things than killing the same forsaken over and over, especially in such a weakened state that a mortal viking in search of glory might be just as capable of it given time.

[small socket]

the way i thought it was, that the realm you are in, is not connected to the rest, so it needs to be reconnected by doing this valheim thing, and then after that, you get rewarded also in addition by going to valhalla, and since it isnt connected odin cant do much to it also, until it is

[languid ibex]

No, it was severed intentionally from the world tree to stop the forsaken from influencing anything further, but the forsaken are attempting to become powerful enough to reattach Valheim to the world tree.

So we essentially tend to the weeds that are the undying forsaken.

[rose swan]

Could also be a flex of sorts by Odin. Maybe he wants to show his enemy how powerful his chosen champion(s) are?

Point is, to assume Odin “can’t do the task” is pretty naive. And also, considering the entity that a being such as Odin is, it’s difficult for a mere human to understand entirely how his mind and motives operate

[languid ibex]

Oh absolutely, insult to injury of sorts. 😅

[fast void]

#suggestions message Plz no...

[fast void]

As Omni said, it is the opposite.
This is stated clearly in the opening scrawl of the game. on a Black Forest lorestone. Forsaken trying to reconnect it to Ygg is causing issues in all the other realms, so we are here to make sure the connection remains broken.

[eternal wyvern]

Where is it stated that they’re trying to reconnect it?

[fast void]

I sit corrected, it's on a lorestone, not in the opening.

Look to the sky where mighty Yggdrasil reaches out, called by the Forsaken Ones to join itself once more with this wayward world. It is a glorious sight but a dreadful one. For as the great tree bends out across the void, its branches strain and crack, felt in the remaining nine worlds as quakings of the earth, great storms and holy fires. The Forsaken must be slain and balance restored.

[small socket]

thanks! but isnt that saying what i was? slay the forsaken so that it can be connected again? or am i making that part up, slay the forsaken so its dead and never again to be?

[fast void]

Slay them to it can stay DISconnected and continue to drift.

[small socket]

i see i see well thats also pretty cool

[fast void]

As far as the game having a defined ending:

In my dream, Odin came to me as an old man leaning on a stick, a wide-brimmed traveller’s hat on his head. He told me to trust the ravens who carry his words under their tongues and to carve this stone that others might know his will. We must kill the Forsaken to find our places in his hall at Valhalla.

^ Plains lorestone.

For all the people wanting Dverger villagers, as Smiffe has said many times:

The Dvergr are the descendants of the great smiths of old, delvers in the deep earth, seekers of hidden treasure.
Here in Valheim they mine the bones of the Jotunn and distill eitr, the stuff of magic. If left alone, they are happy with their own plans and care little for the lives of others, but when raised they will defend themselves.
They don't care that you're there. They don't want to work with you. And Haldor actively scams you for money.
🤷‍♂️

[royal lily]

The only solution to offending them is to kill them - ulf. = not buds

[finite folio]

I know what it is and that’s what playing solo valheim feels like sometimes

[small socket]

#suggestions message you cant even pull a single cart full of non-teleport items because of weight, so what will bigger cart or double cart achieve

[nimble coral]

It’s alive

[marsh radish]

Y'all actually care about the gods? 😂 I like Ulf. His runestones are funny. But good grief just ignore the gods crap if you don't care for that part of the lore and just play the game

[small socket]

i think its the oppsoite, they dont want to ignore the lore, they want to kill the guy that hired you because grudge match lol

[marsh radish]

The Dverger are also cast aways of a sort. From my understanding of their messages the Dverger long to return home to Nidavellir, their home of old. They also built the mines that later became infested with evil creatures as their power waned

[marsh radish]

Fair enough. I mean I hate the gods as much as the next person lol. The Draugr runes are my favorite....a proud and brave people that dared to fight back against the tyrant gods and were brutally crushed

_Long ages ago, the world of Valheim was home to a race of proud and noble people. They built great towers that touched the clouds and delved deep into the earth for precious metals. But their pride was their undoing. They challenged the very gods and went to war against the Aesir and the Vanir, destroying themselves completely. Great Odin levelled their cities and Loki consumed their mines in fire. Mighty Thor broke down their towers and Freya sowed their fields with salt tears.

Now they are sunk many hundreds of years deep. No songs sing of their stories, and the earth has claimed their cities. But pride cannot be killed entirely and the warriors who fought in that final battle will not surrender until their bodies are dust and the dust long gone. They return as Draugr, unholy walkers in ancient armour, creatures of rust and despair._

I would love to know which dev wrote this bc it's lowkey some fire writing skills

[fast void]

It also answers all the "let me fight Odin" people...

[finite folio]

sounds like to me like the inherent folly of overly nationalistic people who's false sense of pride becomes their downfall

[small socket]

lmao

[finite folio]

i.e. nephilim

[marsh radish]

That's one way to interpret it. The victors write the history books don't they? 🙃

[bitter lodge]

@worn obsidian Just destroy the cooking station.

[gaunt harness]

Seems a drastic measure for something that could be more easily done with the 'E' key.

[bitter lodge]

Equip hammer, destroy station. Easy. Hardly "drastic."

[stiff stag]

There's also the solution of just don't put something on there in the first place if you don't want to cook it.

[gaunt harness]

Equip hammer, destroy station, rebuild station, Unequip hammer. You missed two steps.

[bitter lodge]

And it avoids burning your food. Might as well do it

[gaunt harness]

Speaking of which, it's weird that we don't have control of which meat we hang up... it does the same as smelters and follow hierarchy necessitating that we do inventory management before we use the station.

[stiff stag]

Why is it so hard to just leave what you don't want to cook in a chest? Just another case of people creating a problem for themselves that's extremely easy to avoid.

[bitter lodge]

Might be too many steps for him.

[lament zinc]

Or more steps, if the chest with food items is at the north side of the building and the cooking area at the south side of the building. 😉

But problem is more that people think they have to "defeat" the game in 8 hours or less, instead of enjoying it the way it's intended.

[spiral ice]

Can't you cook and smelt using the 1-8 keys?

[gaunt harness]

I'm sure you can, but then you're menuing to assign the meat to a hotkey slot, and when you're done reassigning whatever was there first.

No matter how you look at it, it's extra steps. Instead of just having a craft menu that shows, in highlight, what meats/materials you can hook up and just click 'em.

[spiral ice]

That's doing more work to avoid more work.

[celest flume]

Plus, you gotta hold E to remove cooked stuff from cooking station, it's easy to overshoot and put wrong stuff there

[gaunt harness]

How so?
It's reusing already existing work.

[royal lily]

Sounds like the exact opposite hubris ridden people who think gods arent gods

[royal lily]

Theres a mod u can use to do everything for you so you can just sit with end game gear and stare at the sun

[gaunt harness]

Oh, sure, but wouldn't it be nicer if the game that is still in development was developed so that it was nicer to play without the need of mods?

It's okay to have ambitions, y'know. You don't always have to settle for what you get. There's a reason we can make suggestions in the first place.

Otherwise, why not sit in the nexus forums instead and ask people there for what you want?

[royal lily]

You picked a problem you made yourself that already has solutions

[gaunt harness]

Workarounds and solutions are not the same thing.
I'm sorry you can't see that.

What you described is a workaround to a problem. Not a solution to removing it.

[royal lily]

Whats the difference between adding a button to remove your mistakenly put meat and breaking the station

[gaunt harness]

Adding a button? You mean interaction?
Simple: the time and effort to do it.
One is a single click of a button.
The other is menueing to get the hammer, destroying your station, collecting the materials, rebuilding the station (which can be tricky based on how tightly packed your kitchen space in thanks to colliders being what they are), and then going back to what you were doing.

Oh, and you have to menu to find the cooking station too.

How do you not see the difference??

[royal lily]

Thats true, I don't think its a horrible idea, maybe jt just seems like you were making it seem like a bigger deal than it was. It would be weird to have a different button JUST for removing mistake meat

[gaunt harness]

It's not about how big of a deal it is. It's that it is a deal at all, given how preventable it is.
It's not hard for Irongate to fix. Or it really shouldn't be, I should say.
Making games chaffe less for the player is always a good thing, unless frustrating moments are a key component of the game.
And where crafting and cooking is concerned, I don't think friction and frustrations are a core design goal. If that makes sense.

[royal lily]

Yeah for sure on that note it still seems weird to have one extra key for that kne specific interaction

Maybe not actually idk i wouldnt care either way

[gaunt harness]

I would suggest just reusing the 'E' key. or, shift+E to stop the player from putting meat up and taking it back down immediately.

[royal lily]

I vote shift e

[gaunt harness]

shift e

That said, as a fan of Asterix and Obelix... the dream is still to roast the whole boar just for the aesthetics.

https://tenor.com/view/asterix-eating-manger-obelix-obelix-eat-gif-13710401614548124657

[serene wing]

Does anyone else think it's weird that we can't plant raspberry or blueberry bushes?

[marsh radish]

Ngl I am always cooking the wrong meat bc I forget it's in my inventory along with the meat I want to cook 😭 I support being able to take it down lol

[marsh radish]

I like it the way it is. Having to go romp through the meadows and forests is one of my favorite aspects of the game

[barren oasis]

It's purposeful that you can't. It's meant to make it so you've got to forage

I'd be sad if you could plant them because it'd make me spend way more time just at my base

[livid sundial]

@serene wing regarding your suggestion about a way to move boars once they are tamed. There is a way. Have you discovered the harpoon yet?

[finite folio]

yeah even though the reason why you cant is probably bc you have to forage for things, theres already alot of other things you have to forage for besides berries

like you can also build your base next to bushes and have them there

so you dont really have to forage for those...

honestly it wouldnt change much of a thing and would only add to building imo

im all for planting bushes

[ember lily]

#suggestions message Maybe some kind of leash could be added

[fast void]

Only way I support leashes is if you can put them on other vikings 😏

[serene wing]

I haven't discovered the harpoon yet in game but I have heard about it. I just feel like there should probably be a way of moving boars that doesn't require you to impale them

[thick bridge]

#suggestions message turn on pvp and use a harpoon

[austere rain]

Luckily every tameable animal after the boar is easier to move. I do wish there was more than the harpoon, especially for getting them on ships

[thick bridge]

Homie… you literally cut their throat later. I don’t think they care that much regardless since they’re just 1s and 0s

A real boar sure but then again you don’t tame boars irl because they’re so dangerous and full of parasites

[serene wing]

You could say "it's just ones and zeros" about literally everything else in the game though

[thick bridge]

#suggestions message idk why anyone would be against this. This is something I WISH was a part of the game

[fast void]

Just mod it in if you want it then?

[thick bridge]

I mean yeah I do. It’s also why I don’t really feel bad about killing goblins/fullings. but in dnd I would because they actually have a personality whereas in game they don’t

[thick bridge]

They don’t have them on console. PC players should stop assuming everyone has PC and can do PC things

[fast void]

So you're saying console is objectively the superior way to play games because you get to play them as the devs intended?

Yes, I agree.

[thick bridge]

I’m saying PC players are objectively massive knobs and think they’re better when that just makes them worse people in general

[fast void]

And I'm saying the world would be a better place if mods never existed.
So.. 🤷‍♂️

[serene wing]

The game isn't finished yet. It is literally not as the devs intended. They are still in the process of making it

[thick bridge]

Imagine being that much of a jerk and thinking you’re better than others because they want to play a different way than you.

[serene wing]

Ok so you're just a huge jerk for no reason. Cool.

[fast void]

Imagine being so insecure that you have to project someone else thinking they are better when that is literally not what was said or implied. 😄

[thick bridge]

I’m not insecure but you are definitely acting as if you’re superior because you literally said it.

[fast void]

you literally said it.

Point to where I said I believe I am better than anyone.
I will wait.

[serene wing]

You literally said, and I quote, "console is the superior way to play games" and "the world would be a better place if mods never existed"
Those are your exact words

[fast void]

And neither of those include me stating I believe or even think to consider that --I-- am better than anyone.

[thick bridge]

Hmmm

[arctic wharf]

Now that is a spicy take.

Genuinely some games I have gotten 2x, 5x, and even 10x more enjoyment out of said games thanks to all the spectacular mod content.

Minecraft is the lowest hanging fruit. Vanilla has been super boring to me for a long time, but some of the best mods offered interesting and enjoyable experiences far beyond what vanilla could ever offer.

Also.... PC best 😂 consoles are whatever.

[fast void]

Is just my opinion 🤷‍♂️
I am fully aware many people find their enjoyment solely due to them.
And I am happy those people have found what make them happy.

[wanton atlas]

-_-;

could we not?

[fast void]

🤫 you still have to clean up #general 😛

[wanton atlas]

@fast void Mods will exist for valheim, and we do apritate their existance as a game developer

[fast void]

I am aware of this.

[arctic wharf]

Not arguing ofc. Just quite the spicy spicy opinion.

[serene wing]

How is "the thing you want is bad and wrong and inferior and should never exist" different from "you are worse than me for wanting it"
Meaningful what is the difference

[fast void]

One of them is about things and the other is about people.
If you don't see the line between things and people... are you a billionaire?

[serene wing]

"I am happy those people have found what makes them happy" but you still think it would be a better world without what makes them happy

[fast void]

"I think green is better than blue."
Is a completely different statement than:
"I think me is better than you."

[arctic wharf]

Sevrahn is free to think however they want, just as much as we are free to think that his way of thinking is wrong. 🤭

No need to get bent out of shape about others thoughts and opinions. Though it can be useful to try and consider why they may think that way and attempt to understand it, we don't have to agree.

[fast void]

Flip side of that being:
While I don't agree with you, I also don't believe you are wrong. I just don't agree with it.
Both sides are valid to me.

Touching elephant story and all that.
People can have different perspectives and both be "correct" without agreeing.

[serene wing]

You did heavily imply that anyone who likes mods is wrong though

[arctic wharf]

While I get the feeling of the devs outlook of their games may feel like the one true experience, I do find it weird to forsake the kind of experiences mods may also offer you.
But at the end of the day, all that matters is that we enjoy the things we choose to use our free time on.

[fast void]

No, no I did not.
I said exactly what I meant. Anything further was your own projection.

[arctic wharf]

On that note, objectively speaking. I think the outlook that mods should not exist is wrong, but I am not about to force my opinion of that on you. which seems to be what I was reading happening.

[serene wing]

Explain what you think this sentence means

[fast void]

That I believe something.
If you don't agree with what I believe, you are not wrong. You just don't agree.

That is how opinions work.

[arctic wharf]

Long story short, it's interesting. Time to move on though if nothing else can be gained from a further convo.

[languid ibex]

Sometimes people want that extra touch of phrasing to not feel attacked in their own opinion, to which I say, there's a handily available username above every message someone writes. That indicates it comes from them. 😅

[serene wing]

I think green is better than blue" is also a completely different statement than "I think blue shouldn't exist"

[fast void]

☝️

[serene wing]

Anyway blueberries and raspberries should be plantable. There are plenty of other reasons to go out and explore the black forest areas, and if someone really doesn't want to plant them it's not like they have to. Things like lingonberries could maybe still be restricted to only being able to be planted in their home biome, or not be plantable at all given the difference between the far north biome and the meadows, though.

[wanton atlas]

no.
and the reason is that we developers wants the players to go out in the world, forrest food, encounter enemies, dungeons and so on

[serene wing]

Why are carrots plantable. Why don't we forage them

[wanton atlas]

changeup in how things works, and you have as a player started to venture out in the world by that point

and it's very time consuming compared to just run around gather mushrooms and berries in the beginning

[eternal storm]

In fact I picked the location of one of my starting bases because the availability of bushes in the vicinity, and I built a network of paths to connect them without awkward signs or map pins. If they were plantable I would have had no reason to do that. Also, farming is kind of boring, I wouldn't like having to farm more things.

[wanton atlas]

and also it's how most of the plants works in normal life

[eternal storm]

Patiently waiting for the argument about games not needing to be realistic... (actually they don't need to)

[serene wing]

But people can and do grow their own blueberries and raspberries, though?

[eternal storm]

Yes, but is it fun?

[wanton atlas]

blueberries no, raspberries yes. but raspberries in real life is grown on sticks, not bushes

[fast void]

Sticks confirmed? 👀

[wanton atlas]

yes. as a mod

[fast void]

Valid.

[wanton atlas]

just as you like it

more mods

mods mods mods

all mods

[fast void]

Subject is one of my favorite people.

[wanton atlas]

this is a modern way to plant raspberries

[serene wing]

I've heard there's a "plant everything" mod, is there a mod that just lets you plant raspberries and blueberries?

[wanton atlas]

I don't use mods, so can't say

[fast void]

And only with a 3-pronged, bronze cultivator, right?

[languid ibex]

Did you know can farm berry bushes, just not plant them? Just fence in large patches, place portals on either end, and create a portal chain with patches of berries/foraged goods. Have the start of the portal chain at your base, and the end of the portal chain also at your base. This encourages you to mark large patches on your map to include into a portal chain, and gives reason to explore so that you might find uncommonly large patches.

[eternal storm]

https://thunderstore.io/c/valheim/p/Advize/PlantEverything/

[wanton atlas]

I won't answer since you will make a poor pun of the answer 🤔

[fast void]

POOR?!

MY GOOD SIR.

[wanton atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzOLUf7ibek

enjoy some happy brittish dude telling you how to do it @fast void

[fast void]

HAPPY British people? Now I know you're lying... 😏

[serene wing]

My friends have a blueberry bush in their backyard garden, so I'm pretty sure blueberries are plantable? /nm /lh

[arctic wharf]

Fantasy game FYI, the devs can make it how they wish - regardless of reasoning (though there is justifiable intention).
Modders can then help us customize the experience to our own liking

[wanton atlas]

you technically can plant anything, but as someone who lives in a country where we have blueberries in the wild. no one plants them

everyone harvests them in the forrests

you need ALOT of land to make blueberries harvestable

so it's not efficient at all to plant them to harvest. what you get isn't worth the land it requires

[arctic wharf]

Think I have only ever tried a few mods btw with valheim.
The vanilla experience is just that good that I don't feel compelled to want to add more onto it. But trying out a few also didn't hurt to have a somewhat new playthrough of valheim. Is some good mods out there already.

If anything, I would only be hoping for more of the content I like most that is already in valheim but modders don't usually do the best at adding more while staying cohesive to the vanilla experience.

[languid ibex]

Mods hurt the feedback given by players, crash reports are unreliable, gameplay changes can change the goals of a player, and players opt into finding a mod to fix their issues/change things they dislike rather than submitting bugs or missing creative solutions already in the game.

[arctic wharf]

Nothing is all positives.

[languid ibex]

I think mods are great, but not during development. After Valheim's done, go crazy. 😅

[serene wing]

I wonder if making a mod is good practice for someone who wants to eventually make their own game 🤔

[arctic wharf]

Yes.
Not much more to add to that.

[languid ibex]

Making a game is good practice for making a game. Altering someone else's code is like tracing a picture and adding wings to the character you traced.

[arctic wharf]

Though nothing beats also just trying to get your hands dirty and start making your own game. Learn even more that way.

[arctic wharf]

Sort of. Depends on the kind of mod. Some mods go wild adding stuff so far beyond what already exists that it is nearly entirely new content anyway.

[languid ibex]

In the case of learning though, it's not going to be reaching into that level of complexity.

[serene wing]

I mean. Drawing wings that look good is itself a skill that needs to be practiced

[arctic wharf]

Yep, and I agree. Just making games is the best way to learn how to make games, for sure.

[languid ibex]

Hey I never said the wings looked good 😅

[arctic wharf]

Sometimes. Just sometimes. Making mods leads to working on games professionally too.

Or ofc you get motivated enough to then try making your own.

[finite folio]

i also do and have had them my whole life 😭

theres plenty of forgeables over the berries as well

[languid ibex]

People already give the reasoning that other things are planted as an argument for planting berry bushes, that would just give fuel to the planting side of things and move the argument to planting other foraged goods.

[thick bridge]

But we never said immediately let us do it. Simply that it should be possible eventually. Especially after you’ve passed that tier of progression, like if you’re way out in the plains and need blueberries for mead or food going back to forage seems backwards in progression as well as makes leveling your farming ability harder

[thick bridge]

If you don’t WANT to farm then just… don’t. That’s the same as saying “I don’t think people should be allowed to drive because I don’t like driving”

[thick bridge]

Yet mods aren’t really available on all platforms so is that trying to say that you don’t necessarily care about console players as much as PC because PC can use mods so you won’t add things even though console players may want to use them?

[wanton atlas]

we shall see if we can do anything about that post 1.0 launch. but no promises

we have talked about mod support down the line

[wanton atlas]

no, because how people works.
if you know in 30 minutes, you can get something. you try to get it now, instead of waiting those 30 minutes

[thick bridge]

Not everyone would though, I for one like how progression works, and I enjoy exploring. If I can get it later but forage now I’ll chill and enjoy the scenery because the game really is beautiful even though some people may not like the graphics aesthetics.

[thick bridge]

That would honestly be awesome. The mod store how Skyrim did it wasn’t terrible though the change to them charging for absolutely everything was pretty trash imo. I get things cost but changing to nickel and dime sucks for poor people

[languid ibex]

They just described how they are farming them and the creative problem solving they enjoyed setting up. No where does it say they don't want to farm them, just that they couldn't have had that experience if it were plantable.

🤔

[thick bridge]

They said “Also, farming is kind of boring, I wouldn't like having to farm more things.” Which means they don’t want to farm and would likely still like to forage if it was farmable

However not everyone feels that way, many people would love to farm them

[finite folio]

i think plantable berry bushes would mostly add to creativity rather than inhibit

[languid ibex]

Saying something is boring and not liking it is not the same as saying they don't want to farm things to be clear.

[thick bridge]

I’d love to add them around my house. I genuinely think it would add beauty to the game instead of making the game worse

[finite folio]

i agree

[thick bridge]

No it’s really not that different, it’s fairly synonymous

[finite folio]

and it could work as, like someone before said i think, you can only plant the berries in their respective biomes

[languid ibex]

It's really not, not wanting to farm things is a stance around farming itself, where that comment is made surrounding not wanting to do more than they already are.

"I wouldn't like having to farm more things.”

[finite folio]

although some guy could just plant them all on top of each other and build rlly close next to the biome without going through it lol

[languid ibex]

It's just not going to happen, it's a main aspect of foraging and keeping players exploring.

[rose swan]

Oh shoot, a berry convo? 👀

Gonna stick to the sidelines 🍿

[languid ibex]

Berries are relevant all the way into the Ashlands.

[thick bridge]

Or even planting shears or something you get to craft with black metal and Yggdrasil wood where you have to find the bush itself and cut it out of the biome. That way you have to be pretty far into the game to be able to plant them

[thick bridge]

Players wouldn’t stop exploring just because they could plant berries

At least I wouldn’t nor would my friends because exploring is fun

[languid ibex]

It would severely drop the amount of foraging done for sure.

[finite folio]

i like that idea

[thick bridge]

I meant exploring my bad

[languid ibex]

Marking large berry patches is something I never stop doing, so I can later include them in my portal chain.

[thick bridge]

Even if they were flametal that would also be fine. I’m the type where I wouldn’t end a playthrough just because I beat the game and would want to keep going after

[languid ibex]

My current berry portal chain farm nets me about 200 of each berry and 100 red mushrooms so far.

[finite folio]

if berries were only plantable in their respective biomes you would still need portals to go from one to the other

like the flax farms ppl build

[languid ibex]

That'd require zero exploration though.

Find one patch, done with looking for berries.

[thick bridge]

People wouldn’t stop exploring and if it did that’s on that particular player. The same player wouldn’t explore regardless of berries were plantable or not

[finite folio]

i think most forgeables are not berries no?

[languid ibex]

I'm not claiming they'd stop exploring anywhere, I'm saying it'd be one less reason, and a fairly main one at that.

[languid ibex]

Berries remain relevant in a lot of recipes.

[rose swan]

It’s like 3 I believe; raspberry, blueberry, and cloudberry. Vine berries lean more towards farmable I think.

[thick bridge]

Cloud berry honestly doesn’t even need to be plantable because how just how numerous they are. They grow in patches of like 10 so one patch could give upwards of like 40 berries or something

Bit of an exaggeration but my point is there

[finite folio]

i think the same can be said for most other forageables like thistle, dandelion, shrooms etc

[thick bridge]

Heck dandelions CAN be farmed. Greydwarves drop them and you can make a grey dwarf farm

[arctic wharf]

Now into the deep north with the new barries

[finite folio]

right those vineberries i guess they count as plantable berries

[rose swan]

One could want to plant the berry bushes for aesthetics and decor 🙂

[finite folio]

its been a minute since ive been in ash/mistlands

[rose swan]

I am unbelievably excited for those

[finite folio]

true graydwarfs also just make themselves farmable 😂 they have no sense of danger

[languid ibex]

Not exactly, things like thistle, and dandelions aren't as in demand because you would need only 1 per recipe, where berries need 5-10 per recipe.

[finite folio]

i will never put down the graydwarf slander

[arctic wharf]

Crossing my fingers my most wanted suggestion gets taken into account and we get more than just one new dungeon in the DN only.

😂

[finite folio]

really i find thistle to be kind of more on the expensive side i think a couple recipes ask for 5 thistle, dandelions i agree

i think those numbers are marginal tho to the point of planting berries

[languid ibex]

Oh, well I'm speaking to recipes that remain relevant to be fair.

[thick bridge]

Fair enough honestly. They’re not a terrible looking bush

[thick bridge]

It’s only slander if it’s not true technically so it’s not slander

[thick bridge]

Thistle is also really pretty imo

[rose swan]

The good news is that we can at least use thistle, dandelions and mushrooms as “plantable decor” via the serving tray 🥳

[thick bridge]

[serene wing]

... what if there was a placeable dandelion in a flowerpot

[finite folio]

it iss even more in valheim than real life

[rose swan]

Maybe! 🤔
On a side note, you should check out my suggestion regarding the flora of Valheim #suggestions message

[finite folio]

like resistance meads?

[finite folio]

oh yeah dude the small fir trees

i would love for those to be plantable

gave u an upvote that covers pretty much what i would want to see

[rose swan]

Yee. In my opinion, I think that’s the next big step for builders is expanding the exterior options 🌱

[rose swan]

And with that, looks like we broke 100!

[finite folio]

yoo nice thats alot of upvotes

[languid ibex]

Not really, outside of some boss fights and the mountains they fall off pretty quickly.

[small socket]

im still drinking fire resist

[languid ibex]

For fun or?

[small socket]

to not burn up ?

[languid ibex]

Where are you burning up so often you'll need fire resist throughout your entire run though?

[eternal storm]

The game is giving you tool and limitations in order to promote certain things (like infrastructure). Making it completely optional would take away one of the very few reasons to do them. "just don't do it" works with toys, not with games.

Now, the issue here is menial early game stuff still lingering into late game. It could be easily solved with a late game farming equipment that allows to replant bushes. It doesn't need to make everything plantable from the start.

[small socket]

oh i didnt mean to imply im resisting 100% of the time 🤔

[languid ibex]

Neither do I, but I am speaking about things that stay consistently relevant.

Just curious where you're utilizing it.

[eternal storm]

Isn't fire resistance relevant in the Ashlands? I bet there will still be sources of fire damage in the DN.

[small socket]

im so curious how they can escalate AFTER ashlands

[languid ibex]

Consistently relevant is a little different than becoming relevant again.

Even then, not exactly a necessity.

[small socket]

the furlings set me on fire, the gjall set me on fire, and then i gotta go live in the fire

life of a bad birb

[languid ibex]

I suppose gjall are a bit of a problem that way.

[eternal storm]

In other words, there will still be reasons to farm Plains stuff in late game? The answer is yes.

[languid ibex]

I can't remember if I've ever been hit by a Fuling with a torch. 😅

[languid ibex]

Oh, the discussion was surrounding foraged goods and whether or not things like dandelions or thistle are as in demand as berries.

I would say no given the amount of berries needed for recipes, and how many recipes they're included in.

I suppose fire resistance mead is a point against that though, at least for some.

[eternal storm]

Basically you're forced to early game limitations (find berries, secure the place, connect it...) in late game too, and builders can't have many plants as decorative options. That's why I would suggest a late game tool that allows that.

[languid ibex]

Allowing older biomes some relevancy in the late game is important though, the work put into these biomes shouldn't be totally cast aside upon beating the next boss.

This also keeps players motivated where building is concerned, which is a good thing.

[eternal storm]

I agree but the game would need a lot of changes to make it a reality because early biomes in late game are kind of a joke right now.

[languid ibex]

Somewhat, but a 2 star troll can give players challenge, even in mountain gear, and that logic carries through with other 2 star enemies, especially in harder difficulties.

A player can also be caught out making mistakes at any moment, even in older biomes, if you didn't recently eat food or cannot reach your home quickly enough to rest, you will be at disadvantage.

[eternal storm]

Might be, but it's about having more incentives to go there and challenges to meet because you already done everything and know everything, and after that it's just a matter of liking the mood or not.

[languid ibex]

I agree, that's why I think foraged goods are important.

[eternal storm]

So, about that late game replanter tool?

[languid ibex]

Yeah I'm not exactly for it, cosmetic bushes would be fine, but nothing functionally farmable.

[finite folio]

i guess in sweden they dont replant blueberry bushes so we wont get plantable bushes 😂 (jokes)

[thick bridge]

Which is exactly what I was talking about. Making something important like berries plantable from the start while it could work I don’t think it should happen. However adding the equipment later in the game like to the plains or mistlands would be good

[thick bridge]

I mentioned it here

[thick bridge]

Worst fulling variant imo

[languid ibex]

Easily

[thick bridge]

Honestly I hate deathsquitos the most out of all mobs in general. Genocide would be a reasonable reaction when it comes to them

[finite folio]

thats how i feel when i see a troll or a graydwarf

when me and my friends first started playing i think we died to deathskeetos more than anything else

the stealth on those things

[finite folio]

which recipes in particular are relevant through a whole run? if its just ones with berries/shrooms in it that would make sense

[peak bronze]

Tasty mead, Ratatosk tonic, Berserkir mead. To mention a few.

[finite folio]

i suppose but pretty situational in my experience and more of a late game thing, besides tasty i guess but i dont use that

[languid ibex]

Personally I'm always running on Ratatosk, and keep minimum 10 Tasty Mead on me during combat adventures.

[finite folio]

i can see tasty also being good for mining as well but i try not to carry extra stuff for maxing inventory space

kind of unrelated but im just imagining it lol

[fast void]

@gleaming valley I fully support but the bot is broken so I cannot vote...

[gleaming valley]

oh no! well your support is appreciated

[peak bronze]

I put reactions there.

[barren oasis]

@austere socket I think natural roads would hurt the vibe. The world's supposed to feel pretty abandoned

[fast void]

Also just...
Danger link is dangerous.

[barren oasis]

Danger link?

[finite folio]

I’ve definitely thought about games like that would be inspired by a different mythology but take the same base framework as valheim bc valheim’s imo is really fkn solid

Valheim lowkey already has Greco Roman elements like when you unlock ashlands building

Not like super ancient Greco Roman but the culture that came out of that world mingling with the constant influx of those germanic tribes/norsemen

[austere socket]

welp, there are already abandoned, destroyed buildings here, why not add some roads in similar state near them

imo maybe not smth like 1:1 from that mod (after looking again i agree with that part, full clear roads wouldnt fit), but some dirt paths cut by grass fragments with some parts made from stone

[sonic musk]

Lethal Company is another one. Vanilla Lethal Company is insanely boring. Each day, you run from unkillable eldritch horrors to collect trash worth 35 cents each. OR you mod the game and you find Excalibur worth $2,000 that can slay any enemy in the game, and the monster are all custom characters from tv and video games and have funny voice lines. 10x better with mods, that's just how some games are

[sonic musk]

I agree with this take wholeheartedly. I refuse to mod Valheim until I know the devs won't release any more content. Then I'll mod things I want to add in

[sonic musk]

I'm excited about the new Valheim romance mode that was hinted at today. Would love to set the Queen up for a date then not show up. Very cathartic

[peak bronze]

You checked the date, right?

[sonic musk]

Oh no no no, I know the date exactly. I am skipping the date, I will make the Queen think that she has some interest then blow her off. It's not accidental that I missed it

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-set-up-james-reece-chris-pratt-the-terminal-list-its-a-trap-gif-26086956

[peak bronze]

Many didn't check tho.

[lofty wave]

even with the date, we got real game content last year

[peak bronze]

Yeah, it was the only exception.

[rose swan]

We gotta do something for Rocky’s birthday

[languid ibex]

Rock fight?

[barren oasis]

Yeah dirt paths would be pretty neat. Or cobbled paths with more clear wear on them

[shadow crow]

Hidden option: date Rocky!

[lament zinc]

Like having him a fight with Ivan Draco?

[sonic musk]

The most loyal companion. Will never leave, will never complain, excellent listener, really a solid choice

[peak bronze]

[wanton atlas]

@austere socket don't reply or tag or have any kind of conversation in #suggestions it's 1 post, don't reply or anything else

@upbeat quarry which pillar in the stone circle? 🤔

[runic plover]

I was wondering the same thing.

[wanton atlas]

it's either the starting temple, or the mysterious 5 rock formation

[runic plover]

The stone pillars in meadows? Build a base in the middle of those, once. Flatest ground I ever saw.

[upbeat quarry]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Ancient_Stone_Circle thiiiis

for some reason they are unbreakeble

[austere rain]

It's very safe to build on top of those since trolls can't break them. I've built in the middle, and integrated them into a wall

[finite folio]

I wish they weren’t in the game most of the time lol

they’re so frequently spawning and look awkward in most cases when I see somewhere nice to build then these come up in the way

I feel like they should at least be somewhat breakable

[upbeat quarry]

i did it too in an older world, they are cool but i wanted to speriment a bit with the building too bad they are not breakable ;(

[wanton atlas]

ah..
Those use to be teleport circles, where you only where allowed to build teleporters inside 🤔
hence they are indistructable so you wouldn't (or a mob) would accidently damage them

[arctic wharf]

Relic of the past

[royal lily]

#suggestions message reminds me of an old league game mode mini game where u had to smack veigar, I like

[slim valve]

Do standing stones sink into the ground when you dig out from under them? I've done that with the message stones to get them out of my view but I haven't tried with the standing stones because I like them.

[eternal wyvern]

bring it back

[wanton atlas]

some do

[jagged sigil]

@lost steeple its a great idea but i feel it may make getting level 100 skill a bit too easy, the difference for each tier of mob would have to be very small for it to be balanced

[lost steeple]

I’m a longtime osrs player and that kind of exponential xp requirement is kind of what I imagine. So the exp per level would also have to be changed in this kind of system, but I feel like it would give players more motivation to fight enemies out in the world instead of the most efficient leveling being spamming at TWIG.

[lofty wave]

the xp needed for higher levels could increase with this system

[jagged sigil]

I feel the skill system may need a rework if they were to do this

[barren oasis]

I think the skill system doesn't really need an update. Just because its not very consequential to your progression so there's not much need for it to be changed

[wanton atlas]

The entire idea behind the skill levels is to feel good, but you shouldn't level to 100

[barren oasis]

Makes me feel good to get big numbers but then I feel just as bad when I die and lose skills haha

[languid ibex]

It'd be neat if a very limited item could help gain lost skills for a period. That way you do still need to earn them initially.

Maybe something like a miniboss trophy, that way you could get lucky with a miniboss raid if you killed them all already. 🤷

[wanton atlas]

or lose all skills on death 🤔

[barren oasis]

Isn't that one of the settings?

[lost steeple]

I understand this, and I wouldn’t want a system that incentivizes players maxing out all skills. What I would really like is just another layer of progression tied to skills, even if it’s fairly minuscule. Right now it just feels weird to get the same level progression regardless of what tier of enemy you are fighting. It would be cool to be incentivized to go kill things in Ashlands rather than just train on twig to level a neglected weapons style. I know that this is probably complicated to implement, but I personally just really enjoy xp being tied in someway to player/game progression rather than static and would love for this kind of progression to exist in Valheim in some form.

[spiral ice]

I would agree if not for dodge and block. Those level up way too slowly.

[barren oasis]

That is true

They could level way faster

[austere socket]

#suggestions message it was there before? I checked maybe twice and didnt find any "hostile mob cage" suggestion

imo from tech pov it could be like: when mob enters cage, it gets deleted and replaced with model of it (no ai hitbox etc just texture), and when cage is destroyed, it spawns mob again

[spiral ice]

Yeah. I usually hit level 60 or 70 in my two main weapons with dodge and block between 10 and 20.

[languid ibex]

@austere socket Have you not unlocked cages yet?

[spiral ice]

@tough root In regards to #suggestions message, it's a very cool idea, but I highly doubt the devs are ever going to implement the mechanic of fires that can use more than one kind of fuel. That would be too complicated for a niche thing like a fire that can burn different colors.

However, I would 100% support adding bonfires that use a different (singular) fuel and burn in the color of that fuel.

[languid ibex]

It'd just need an interact possibility with those objects, it could be similar to the way cores shoot fireworks when used on a fire.

[spiral ice]

The interacting isn't the issue, it's the fuel. Using different kinds of fuel for something always has the same result in Valheim (the only example I can think of off the top of my head is different kinds of wood in a kiln all producing coal).

If you use one fuel on the fire, and then apply a different fuel, it has to keep track of the order and type of each fuel unit, then start burning the new color when the fuel ticks down.

Bones in a shield generator is another example.

[tough root]

fires burn wood wym,. i said change the colour. like when you add cores

[spiral ice]

Ah, I misunderstood. My apologies.
I still think they're not going to do that, as they've already added torches in various colors, all of which require a different kind of fuel. If they add the option for colorful bonfires, they'll probably just do the same thing.

[tough root]

never say never, but you get the idea colored torch / colored fire.

[marsh radish]

Wait how do I achieve this effect? I have never seen that

[bitter lodge]

Stick a core in a bonfire

[spiral ice]

Also works with black cores.

[austere socket]

I didnt mean iron cage walls from swamp, I meant separate structure from them
unless theres something like this on mistlands+ then i didnt unlock it

[languid ibex]

But you can do this with cage walls, exactly as you described in the suggestion.

[austere socket]

it prevents despawning too?

[languid ibex]

Yeah

I had a Greyling in a cage for 4 years, he served his time and I let him go.

[austere socket]

will check it then, if it really works then its nice
tested it, yooo it works

[lofty field]

Mobs generally don't despawn, unless they're from a raid or night-only spawns

[ivory lion]

Ive trapped Stone Golem for weeks now

I just need to protect him from drakes, wolfs… and himself ;p

[wintry bobcat]

A purple fire would go hard

[kind crystal]

people did not fw Joseph’s idea (for good reason i think)

[shadow crow]

I have a dragon as a pfp and even I thumbed it down 😅

[cedar sierra]

idk what i did wrong

u guys have dirty minds

i mean it had the most impact overall even if it was negative

[shadow crow]

I wouldn’t mind a game with anthropomorphic characters but I don’t think Valheim is that game.

[lofty wave]

if someone stops typing maybe they don't want to share it

[wanton atlas]

I am on the same here. I wouldn't mind doing a valheim style animal people game.
But valheim is to small and niched for that kind of gameplay

[rose swan]

It’s not the animal-people that I dislike. It’s more of that it’s out of scope for Valheim.

[shadow crow]

After 1.0, IronGate’s next adventure: Critterheim!

[wanton atlas]

Valheims story is that Oden needs your help to kill a bunch of forsakens

[lofty wave]

why would we get animal people if we could get super intelligent necks instead

[fast void]

Neck-imal Crossing.

[runic plover]

New world modifier: turn your skin green and replace the character's head with a neck's.

[rose swan]

Buy a neck-house with a neck-loan

[shadow crow]

Never heard the words "intelligent" and "necks" in the same sentence

[lament zinc]

Well, it could replace the joke about the military then.

[fast void]

You gain smartness from questions.
So intelligent necks be Asksvin. 😉

😁

[kind crystal]

its not even that. most people just dont like anthropomorphic characters because the uh…community has a bad reputation

plus it just really doesnt fit the vibe of Valheim at all

we’ve got fenring and cultists that should honestly be close enough

nah dont go off at him, he’s entitled to his opinion but you’re not entitled to hear it

[royal lily]

0 interest for those with neckles

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message I think it's good that players have to learn to use a specialised shield early in the game

[safe dove]

In my opinion, the black forest is when you really get to experiment with multiple weapons. You gain 1 of almost every weapon type, excluding the battle axe, but otherwise can use whatever weapon you want. You gain access to boats, smithing, brewing, mining, etc. To me, the Black Forest has always been defined by freedom, the game finally opening up. Although I appreciate the idea of players learning to use specialized shields, I don't think that should arrise from being bottlenecked into specific equipment.

I would also suggest a bronze battle axe because of that, but given the first one you acquire in the swamp is called the "battle axe," it would be a bit weird.

[lofty wave]

that could easily be changed to iron battleaxe

[safe dove]

True, or the bronze battleaxe could be given a special name such as the woodsman's axe or something.

[finite folio]

I think the wood shield already holds though until swamps at most

if it’s upgraded

[safe dove]

And the silver shield works well enough into the mistlands when upgraded. I think it's a bit reductive to say it does well enough when a reasonable alternative can easily exist, but I understand your point.

[finite folio]

Yeah but this is valheim and reasonable alternatives are taboo

Jk

I get your point too and it would be cool to add another weapon in the game where the progression would make sense

[safe dove]

Yeah, one of my few issues right now with the game is the lack of consistant weapon progression. I am of the opinion that after the meadows, there should be one of every weapon type per biome.

[wanton atlas]

The reason why we don't have a normal shield in Black forrest is just because we don't think it's needed to have each weapon / shield in every biome

[safe dove]

Fair enough

[wanton atlas]

we do that 100% on purpose

same with enemy types not being 100% overlapping either

[finite folio]

Imo I like it that way it keeps progression interesting

[safe dove]

Can you explain to me what makes it interesting to you? Is it that it forces you to use other weapon types?

I think that the resistances of different enemies to different weapon damage types does that well enough.

[languid ibex]

Also the Battleaxe problem isn't really a problem for me in the early game because you can utilize 1H axe skills with that weapon, so that transition is hardly felt.

[safe dove]

Now with the early axes as well you effectively have an axe that uses both hands. It's why I don't think that the ashlands needs a two handed axe.

The niche is already filled, even if the early axes are technically a meadows weapon, they function as one for the black forest.

[finite folio]

I would say not necessarily, I personally use swords and stick with them even after I get magic which is my preferred weapon choice after that, I’m more thinking of other games which have samey-monotonous progression (which valheim does have but with resource gathering, not gear imo)

[finite folio]

this is what gets me to change weapons actually ^

I carry a club and bow for blunt and pierce when I need them

[safe dove]

Isn't there a sword for every biome after the meadows? You don't experience the problem I'm describing for players who do want to use other weapons, if it even can be seen as a problem since Smiffe said it's intentional.

[languid ibex]

In my opinion, just because an axe of some kind is present doesn't mean much to me, Battleaxes, 1H axes, and dual axes all operate extremely differently.

[safe dove]

Would you want a Black Forest bronze battle axe?

[languid ibex]

Not necessarily, players will typically have a bronze axe or early axes because of the wood problem presented early on, and this is plenty for players who are just discovering things in the game.

It's never good to drop all weaponry available on players immediately, extensive choices can feel overwhelming that early on.

Not to mention, that further sense of discovery that happens with new weapon types popping up later in the game.

[safe dove]

My issue with that is that you have access to almost all weaponry once you make it to the black forest, the only options you don't have access too being the battle axe and round shield. Obviously there isn't magic since that's tied to the lore of the mistlands.

[wanton atlas]

the early axes are mostly for fun, and not ment to be something a beginner who never played valheim before will have to go out of their way to find as a part of the progression

[safe dove]

I do love the scavenger hunt the axes give you to find the pieces.

It forces you to explore.

[wanton atlas]

but imagine someone who never ever played valheim before. and don't read guides (because don't want to get spoiled)

they won't go out and try to find them instantly, because they are kinda good

[languid ibex]

That's not true, 2H swords, Battleaxes, Crossbows, Bombs, Blob Bombs, and Magic Weaponry. These all come after the black forest, I may even be forgetting some, that's just what comes to mind.

[safe dove]

Blob bombs feel more like a tool to me since they're consumables. 2 handed swords and crossbows require the black forge, and reasonably so since they'd require more advanced forging methods, needing the black forge. Magic weaponry, if you mean the weapons in the mistlands with elemental effects, are just that. They're the base weapon, swords, axes, etc, with special damage effects.

[finite folio]

i mean ive played almost every weapon type so yeah i do sometimes experience it

[languid ibex]

I'm not arguing utility, they are weapons that do damage, so saying you have access to everything in the black forest aside from 2 things isn't true.

[safe dove]

There's no logical reason to why if you wouldn't be able to make a battle axe if you can make a hand axe, or a round shield if you can make tower shields and bucklers other than it being what the devs thought would be best for the game.

[finite folio]

ah wait im dumb

[hasty wren]

I didn't read guides when I first started I just assumed the club was used for monsters and axe was for trees

[finite folio]

now i think about it which og weapon types are missing from more than 1 biome?

besides polearms cause meadows + mountains

[hasty wren]

Battle axes?

Or swords

[finite folio]

swords are just meadows i believe

battle axes i would say fall under two handed axes?

[hasty wren]

Hammers

[wanton atlas]

yup yup

clubs are for clubbing stuff

people miss out how amazing a tier 4 club is

[safe dove]

There's no skill for bombs, so I would say they're not really the same as other weapons. I'm also not saying you should or do have access to everything after the black forest, I saw a gap here and thought it was a bit weird.

[hasty wren]

I only think that's cos I have played other survival games

[hasty wren]

I might get one

[languid ibex]

You didn't say access to every weapon that has skills. 🤷

[finite folio]

as a sword user tho i am missing out on gaining skill in the early game unlike other weapon types which stay relevant for longer

[lofty wave]

you only miss one biome

[safe dove]

There is no mountains polearm, one handed axe or buckler (I would say it's fair to call the serpent shield the mountain tower shield), there's no plains spear or buckler, there's no ashlands dagger, buckler, or polearm.

[finite folio]

ik

[safe dove]

That's a fair point, I should have said that.

[finite folio]

unless you get lucky and find both parts relatively close to spawn

[safe dove]

The missing weapons just feel wierd. It's not like there's always a weapon missing from each biome, it just feels like a gap.

[languid ibex]

It doesn't feel like, there is a gap, the thing is that it's intended.

[finite folio]

do you guys consider the weapon types to be by skill (i.e. just axes) or by category (i.e. axes vs battleaxes vs double axes)

[languid ibex]

Give the players a moment to consider trying other things, look outside of their locked in weapon of choice.

[hasty wren]

I consider by category

[hasty wren]

I used the knife for the first time in one of my other runs

[languid ibex]

Category for sure

[safe dove]

But that's not something that occurs across the board. There will always be a sword, there will always be a club. If those are your weapons you never move outside your locked weapon. It's only for the other weapon types.

[hasty wren]

You can also consider enemy/boss weakness and resistances

That's made me switch weapons a few times

[safe dove]

Actually, not entirely true, there's no mistlands 1 handed club. My bad.

There's just one in every other biome.

[finite folio]

i need to get to ashlands again so i can speak on ashlands weapons lol

totally forgot half of them

[languid ibex]

Yeah, the introduction of resistances/weaknesses tends to offer those moments of consideration as well. The progression isn't mapped out to be this consistent bankable thing, it's somewhat fluid and I feel that keeps it fresh.

[safe dove]

Although I think resistances and weaknesses are enough, I do appreciate your point of view.

[languid ibex]

Some players have access to bows throughout, but it becomes unusable against Bonemass, hitting that moment of considering something else.

[finite folio]

bonemass encourages me to get an iron mace or frostner if i progress early

otherwise i probably wouldnt make them

[safe dove]

Not really? The pierce damage is halved, but you have access to elemental damage with arrows. It's very easy to venture into the mountains, mine some obsidion with your iron pick, and deal frost damage with frost arrows, which he is weak to. Though a new player wouldn't think to do that.

[finite folio]

this was the first bonemass strat me and my friends did

it worked but took a while, bows are never not viable imo

[safe dove]

Nice

[languid ibex]

2 of my friends quit with full gear ready to venture into the mountains because they couldn't handle being attacked by wolves, so very easy is subjective to be sure.

[finite folio]

however i find that smacking with a club is much faster ofc

[safe dove]

True, true. But you are intended to go into the mountains with iron gear, and you only need iron to access obsidion and thus frost arrows.

[finite folio]

ngl i find the mountains to be more of a difficulty spike than the swamps

but its doable in even troll gear, esp if you know how the enemies act

[stiff stag]

If a different weapon type is skipped in each biome, it's only natural that the ones that are skipped in later biomes will be accessible for most of the game until then. Just how it works out.

[safe dove]

There's also no mountain, plains, or ashlands sledge, but it's my understanding that those are more special weapons.

Wattle and daub would definitely add a lot to the building.

Cool idea

[finite folio]

we might also see deep north varients of these when it comes

or other weapons that have been missing for a bit

[safe dove]

I just personally don't like investing in a weapon type that I won't be able to use throughout the game, which sucks a bit since I otherwise love atgeirs and daggers, but I'm gimping myself a bit if they're not available late game, though that won't be as bad if there are deep north variants.

I should probably have said Ashlands. The combat there is notoriously harder, so not having certain weapons available there feels more punishing.

[languid ibex]

I think you're putting too much importance on skills tbh

You can hit an entirely advantageous level of skills very quickly

It took me less than 15 minutes to reach level 25 on a new weapon with the training dummy and a wooden weapon

[safe dove]

I guess. It just sucks a bit to use a weapon you like throughout the entire game only for it not to be available later.

[languid ibex]

Well the game isn't done yet and there have been retroactive additions to weapons in older biomes, so it's not something I would be showing much concern over until the game is fully released.

[rose swan]

Especially daggers, they level up so fast

[finite folio]

yeah honestly that was my worry with going polearms, that the later ones wouldnt be able to hold up, havent tried the mistlands one tho so i cant speak on that

[finite folio]

the dps on those and early axes is crazy

[rose swan]

The atgeirs are notoriously strong, even in Ashlands 👀

[rose swan]

Daggers are sooo good honestly

[safe dove]

It's cool. Probably my favorite mistlands weapon, tied with the greatsword at least.

[finite folio]

lowkey might be a strat to priority choose a fast hitting weapon for that skill gain 😂

[wanton atlas]

please don't go mad into the weapon and shield progression

we might not touch it at all and don't build up expectations we will touch it

[rose swan]

Oh, I’m mad

[finite folio]

early game theyre surprisingly great, i tend to drop them for the longer reach weapons later on i may be missing out tho

[wanton atlas]

https://giphy.com/gifs/30lxTuJueXE7C

[hasty wren]

i beat first boss with flint knife

[languid ibex]

I don't think anyone is building up expectations, just speaking about why they feel it's odd

[safe dove]

https://tenor.com/view/soccer-elden-ring-frenzy-gif-9539608694136891172

[hasty wren]

im not far enough into the game to care yet

[safe dove]

Exactly that. I just thought it was odd and made the game feel incomplete, but the missing weapons ended up being a deliberate choice.

[wanton atlas]

@hasty wren DLSS won't do much for valheim since the game is CPU heavy

[hasty wren]

ok

[wanton atlas]

and do you know what graphics cards actually supports DLSS?

[hasty wren]

mine does i think

[wanton atlas]

basicly. do you need 200 FPS to turn into 250 FPS?

no, you usually don't unless you play counter strike or a game like that which is dependant on muscle twitching reflexes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Learning_Super_Sampling

[royal lily]

I dont use a sword until silver / mistwalker

And thats because I always forget theres a silver knife

[wanton atlas]

and the times valheim slows down, it's because the amount of objects spawned in are heavily impacting your processor and RAM. your graphics card basicly chill out when you play valheim most of the time

[tardy knot]

The in game upscaler helps a lot too, if you're on older/weaker hardware

[arctic wharf]

Frame generation 🤢

[hasty wren]

its nice for me tho cos i would like my computer to have a bit more wiggle room for 60fps

[tardy knot]

Look into lossless scaling.

[hasty wren]

k

[wanton atlas]

it will do absolutly nothing for you

like 0.5 frames per second perhaps

[hasty wren]

ok

i think i have a lack of understanding about it

[wanton atlas]

like. DLSS would give you more FPS when your processor isn't under strain

so 600 FPS would be 650 FPS

but as soon as your processor goes to work alot, DLSS would basicly just have nothing to do

[hasty wren]

so i should worry more about cpu consumption?

[wanton atlas]

yes

[hasty wren]

aight

i do tend to have many tabs open

[wanton atlas]

so basicly. close your browser and all tabs and see if it matters

[hasty wren]

my computer has been crashing in valheim recently

maybe that has something to do about it

[wanton atlas]

stop using Vulkan

usually helps

[hasty wren]

im not

[wanton atlas]

😮

Hm..

valheim shouldn't crash then 🙁

[hasty wren]

no my pc crashed

not valheim specifically

[wanton atlas]

hm.. any idea why it crashed?

[hasty wren]

im gonna say cpu consumption

but it could also be overheating

[wanton atlas]

old PC?

[hasty wren]

kinda

i got upgrades ready that im hopefully gonna do in next few days tho

[wanton atlas]

nice. what you got?

[hasty wren]

idk off the top of my head

i can send u current specs tho

[wanton atlas]

[hasty wren]

been a while since i got the parts

i think the graphics card is a 3080 and 64gbs of ddr4

[wanton atlas]

nice nice

3080 is a nice GPU

[hasty wren]

thats all i can remember off the top of my head

[wanton atlas]

I almost miss mine 😄

[hasty wren]

what u got now?

[wanton atlas]

4080 super

[hasty wren]

fairs

[wanton atlas]

I don't think the cost was justified swapping from my 3080

[hasty wren]

i got my dads old parts

my dad swapped to a 5080 i think

he had the parts for a while just didnt get around to doing it

so he has given me his old parts

[wanton atlas]

ah

3080 is.. nice

I could play some really nice games on it

a 4080 super is just a small uplift over 3080

[hasty wren]

the 2080 isnt bad

just a bit limited for graphics settings

[wanton atlas]

yea

and runs very hot

[hasty wren]

the most i can do is medium preset for most games

it can run all the games i want to tho

[wanton atlas]

all 2000 gen cards runs very hot aperantly

[hasty wren]

it does

i dont think the fans are ever at rest

[wanton atlas]

nope 😄

[hasty wren]

i check bios after every crash and it says the fans run at about 1700 rpm

and i can hear them almost constantly

[wanton atlas]

ever touched the fan curve?

[fast void]

Mom always told me not to stick my hands into running fanblades...
So I have only ever touched a fan curve when it was turned off.
😏

[hasty wren]

nope

tis a seccond hand card tho

so it could have been tinkered with

[royal lily]

Why no 1x1 dvergr wall

[rose swan]

Why only 1x1 and not more? 🤔

Also, what would it look like? Copper plating?

[royal lily]

Im guessing you cant scale it down and thats why it isnt there but obviously I would want it to match. Only 1x1... so I can fit it in a 1xn space?

[rose swan]

No no, I mean why not have like a set; 1x1, 2x2, etc 🤔

[royal lily]

It looks like u could quarter it and it would match

[royal lily]

I dont think I understand

[rose swan]

So other build pieces- like the wood wall for example, has a 2x2 version, 1x2(half wall) and 1x1 (quarter wall)
Would you want to see more size variations if there were a metal wall?

[royal lily]

Oh gotcha, i was gonna originally post that, then realized if you had 1x1, you could make 1x2, so it would just be pointless imo

[rose swan]

But yeah, I could get on board with metal wall 👀

[runic plover]

It wouldn't necessarily be pointless. Larger build pieces are usually less expensive than covering the same area with smaller pieces.

[shadow crow]

Using the plain wood walls as an example: 1x1 = 1 wood. 1x2 = 1 wood. 2x2 = 2 wood

So usually but not always. And yeah, I'd love having smaller metal grates to make the fancy bay windows with

[rose swan]

OH I think I misunderstood the suggestion! Sounds like citizen civilian wants a 1x1 of the Dvergr metal wall we currently have, am I correct?

[shadow crow]

That's how I understood iit, yeah

[rose swan]

Gotcha, yeah that makes sense 😎

[royal lily]

Yes sorry for not being more clear

[rose swan]

It’s all good! I forgot that the build was called a wall
Thought it was Dvergr copper cage, but I was wrong

[thick bridge]

Why would people want yagluth to be stupidly spammy?

[peak bronze]

What would be great is if Yagluth had some melee attacks too.

[thick bridge]

I just wish he weren’t so spammy. Melee attacks would def help with that but he only has like 3 attacks and all can be used with less than 1 second in between

[ivory lion]

@thick bridge you clearly havent fought Fader

Dealing with Yagluth is like fighting Greydwarf compared to Troll

You need Quasin lesson in order to progress thourder

[barren oasis]

They're pretty easy to roll through

[finite folio]

He has one parryable if that counts when he smacks the ground

He’s also a sorcerer so it makes sense

[barren oasis]

And also if you just circle around yagluth his AI gets wrecked lol

I think they should make him spin faster so you can't cheese him that way

[finite folio]

yup ^ as do many enemies as well

or when u circle he does aoe attack

[royal lily]

Yagluth was the only boss I still would die to and I just did him without dying so actually buff yagluth

[finite folio]

real they should add summons 😤

dude is literally a king and all

[royal lily]

Id like that yeah

[lofty wave]

you can block the meteors too

[languid ibex]

@tulip monolith Have you not discovered the joys of obliterating your excess trophies?

[royal lily]

TIL ty

[royal lily]

Have you not run out of trophies trying to line your walls with them?!?!

[languid ibex]

I don't-- how is that relevant?

[royal lily]

There are other joys in the trophies 😭

[languid ibex]

Oh, that was my point as well.

[royal lily]

I was agreeing

[tardy knot]

I agree generally. Opportunity uptime to actively engage the boss is low. It's more tedious than difficult.

[glad cargo]

Yagluth sure needs more attacks, but he's not "hard" inherently. You do need Silver weapons against him, it makes the fight so much quicker.

The trick is to always attack his left arm. He does the Supernova with his right arm. You can stay just outside of the fire AoE if you hit hisleft arm

[wintry bobcat]

If you wanted you could just attack his tailbone and never have him attack you. He turns very slow

Anyways althuogh Silver weapons are pretty good, in my experience blackmetal works just fine too as long as it's not a weapon heavily into pierce damage

[lofty wave]

meteors should get a 360 degree attack trigger

[barren oasis]

@kind crystal they aren't going to add every weapon to every biome because it makes the game far less interesting when you never change your play style. Also some stuff like a flint sword wouldn't even make sense. You can't make a sword from flint

[kind crystal]

how is more variety less interesting? that doesnt make any sense. also have u seen the size of flint in this game? you absolutely could, hell we can make an axe

also having more options would probably result in people changing playstyles more often

[wanton atlas]

the game is balanced so you can take a level 1 weapon from the previous biome, into a new biome

and level 4 weapons of the previous biome have the same statline as a level 1 weapon in the new biome

and I just had this entire discussion just a few days ago

[barren oasis]

Using the same weapon the entire game is less variety

[wanton atlas]

people EXPECT just "200 tiers of swords" or "200 tiers of axes"

[barren oasis]

Being forced to switch around your weapon type every now and then is variety

[wanton atlas]

but what happens when you don't meet peoples expectations

something else happens

[kind crystal]

thats a fair point but how was i supposed to know that

[thick bridge]

However you still can’t really get close to him since he either has a fire wreathe or meteors

[wanton atlas]

and that elese. is what we want

[barren oasis]

You can get close to him, just hide under pillars for meteors

[kind crystal]

its mainly like the fact i have no blackmetal spear, so i have to take a fang spear into mistlands, where most enemies resist pierce

[barren oasis]

I don't remember how you dodge fire wreaths but I do always kill yagluth with melee

[glad cargo]

It's not like the Carapace Spear is any good in Mistlands either

[barren oasis]

Don't use a spear then. Your supposed to use a weapon that they're not resistant too

[slim forge]

💡Adjust Spirit damage visual intensity and layout!

Here you can clearly see what the issue is, and how it causes deaths. Please upvote my suggestion, it's an actual issuue >_<
https://www.twitch.tv/sn0wlo/clip/FaintBlightedDragonflyPicoMause-hy4StahzodGIuTWC

[glad cargo]

You'll have to use another weapon, therein lies the "variety"

[kind crystal]

no, but it is an upgrade

[barren oasis]

Using a weapon from 2 tiers ago that is also weak against the mob is just your fault

[wanton atlas]

or just use a tier 4 of the previous biome spear

[barren oasis]

Try a new weapon.

[kind crystal]

ive been using spears, knives and bows in combination with wolf sight trinket and now the vilebone set, im not switching that up because thats the whole point of the build

[glad cargo]

His point is that there is no Black Metal spear, so that means he has to use the Fang Spear in Mistlands.

Which isn't THAT bad, it gets the job done. It's just the Pierce resistance that makes Spear not very good in Mistlands

[eternal wyvern]

What if someone wanted to try a spear going into the Mistlands?

[kind crystal]

exactly

therein lies the problem

[wanton atlas]

they will have a level 1 mistlands biome spear

[barren oasis]

Make the porcupine. It's great paired with the vilebone

[kind crystal]

i have like 10 club skill, no way

[barren oasis]

Skill doesn't make that huge of a difference

It'll still beat using a weapon the mob is resistant to

[peak bronze]

Not all enemies resist pierce tho. Spears are great against gjalls when using the throw secondary and ticks are easily oneshotted with them due to their pierce weakness.
And against soldiers you can parry and throw spear at the weak spot.

[kind crystal]

140% dmg increase from 0-100 is a very big difference idk what ur on about

[eternal wyvern]

After going into potentially several Infested mines for the black cores that are required.

[kind crystal]

plus higher skill = higher dmg, meaning you surpass stagger thresholds more often

[barren oasis]

Yeah so he can still use a spear, he should just bring a secondary weapon too

[glad cargo]

It does in my experience. The damage and stamina usage difference is too large to ignore

[barren oasis]

Using a weapon they aren't resistant to will do even more damage

[peak bronze]

Covering main damage types is usually wise play, correct.

[glad cargo]

Frostner does wonders in Mistlands

[barren oasis]

Yeah but resistance/weaknesses affect dps even more than skills

[peak bronze]

Meaning blunt, slash, pierce. But frost is great in Mistlands.

[eternal wyvern]

I just think the wolf fang spear could be a bit stronger is all. Some frost and spirit damage would go a long way for it.

[kind crystal]

frostner is just good forever after you unlock it

[glad cargo]

I think the Fang Spear is good as it is. It could have Spirit damage, but it's not like there are Spirit-weak enemies in Mountains, Plains or Mistlands

[kind crystal]

i dont think frost is necessary, frostner makes sense to have frost dmg coz it uses freeze glands in the crafting recipe. wolf fang could definitely use spirit dmg tho, its literally a silver weapon

[barren oasis]

Yes because lots of things are weak to blunt and frost. That's just how much resistances/weaknesses matter

[glad cargo]

Frostner is powerful due to the knockback and the slow effect. You can push enemies back and slow them down. It's impossible to get swarmed with that weapon

[kind crystal]

i hate the knockback on maces, makes securing kills take too long

[barren oasis]

Knock back and slow isn't the only reason it's good. In lots of scenarios that's even a disadvantage cuz you lose dps from enemies being too far

[eternal wyvern]

Yagluth fight would be a lot better especially since there's no new spear in Plains. I guess frost makes less sense and im fine with that not being included.

[kind crystal]

the only things weak to blunt are basic skeletons and the blob variants. thats like 6 enemies

[glad cargo]

Maces make good secondary weapons, specially paired with Spears. Spears have insane DPS but very little crowd control. Against something like multiple Seekers, or your entire Ashlands playthrough, Maces cover all the weaknesses on Spears

[kind crystal]

frost is more valuable for the slow effect and the bonus dmg if the enemy is wet

[glad cargo]

Anyway, going back to the suggestion: the game expects you to use multiple weapon types. The game is also designed around you being able to clear a biome without upgrading your weapons. Level 4 weapons from a biome are also equivalent to lvl 1 weapons from the next biome.

Not having all weapons at all stages all the time means you gotta get creative with your loadouts in order to not struggle. Limitations breed creativity

[kind crystal]

i get that, but having to juggle multiple weapon types means your weapon skills dont get anywhere near as high. i’d rather have 80-90 in a skill by the time i reach ashlands than 40-50 split between 2 or even 3 weapon types

[glad cargo]

The XP thing is another whole issue that does not get fixed by having all weapons of all types exist in all stages

[runic plover]

Or, one can stubbornly keep using old weapons well beyond their expiration. I'm still packing an iron sledge in mistlands for its function, rather than its damage output.

[glad cargo]

I do think the XP gain rates need some rebalancing. How to rebalance and to what extend is a very subjective thing, however

[kind crystal]

well in the case of swords you would start levelling them sooner. idk man i really love the two handed swords but the fact i have to wait til the (current) penultimate biome to start using them is lame

i just think we need to be introduced to unique weapon types sooner, there’s no real gradual progression rn, its just the same weapon types and then boom you hit mistlands and there’s now 6 more

and there needs to be some restraint in the implementation too. i love the early axes but aside from the range of the spear, there’s zero reason to use any other weapon til swamp

they are just that strong

[peak bronze]

You can technically start leveling swords when you have found wood, corewood and finewood (required to craft wooden sword).

[kind crystal]

true, but once you have finewood you may as well just start getting bronze and get a sword that doesn’t tickle enemies

[peak bronze]

Earlier 2h sword could be implemented the same way as Early axes IMO. Like I suggested here: #suggestions message

[kind crystal]

yeah exactly

i think keeping eitr locked behind mistlands is a no brainer, both gameplay and lorewise

[peak bronze]

And I find the idea of vilebone be used for plains tier spear nice. I suggested it too, hence not my original idea. #suggestions message

[glad cargo]

An earlier 2H sword would be cool, yeah. But that's about it. I don't think EVERY WEAPON should be in EVERY BIOME at ALL STAGES

[kind crystal]

maybe even just one new one per biome

you use iron and root to craft the arbalest, why not just make it available in the swamp

silver greatsword would be cool too

and skoll/hati should probably be in plains, since they dont actually use any mistlands materials

[lofty wave]

plains already has a knife

[runic plover]

Regarding weapon availability, it's easy for experienced players like ourselves to say "I want all weapons in all biomes." We know how they work and what we like to use. But we must remember new players, who don't yet know all weapon functions. Overwhelming them with two dozen weapons as soon as they pick up a piece of flint isn't a great idea. Current progression does a pretty good job early on, where BF introduces some new weapons, swamp introduces 2H axes, etc. However, I do think variety could be expanded a little more. Like an iron 2H sword, for example.

[kind crystal]

yeah i realise i was probably going a bit overboard. but that exact thing happens in mistlands, you get like 3 new melee options, 4 magic items and a new ranged weapon all within one biome. i just think spacing that out is probably a better idea

[kind crystal]

the two handed knives are just better tho, better leap with the secondary, better moveset, better dps. skoll and hati has a sickle in it, its not even really a knife

we should just be able to dual wield basic knives

[lofty wave]

knife skill knife attacks it is really a knife

[runic plover]

Dual _ Knife, created with 2 of (insert knife type here).

Could do that with 1H axes, too.

[kind crystal]

i know it technically is a knife, but no other weapon class has an upgrade that completely changes the moveset of a weapon. it feels like it belongs in another weapon category for that reason

[kind crystal]

true, but they would have to be fairly slow in order to balance the existing dual axes

[lofty wave]

it's not a completely changed moveset, it's like 1h sword and 2h sword

not identical attacks but they're not far off

[kind crystal]

thats not the point. skoll and hati replaces the standard knife. 2 handed sword is a side grade, mistlands and ashlands still have 1 handed swords

[runic plover]

Skoll and Hati is a 2H knife. The issue there is that mistlands doesn't have a 1H knife.

[kind crystal]

unfortunately ashlands didnt give us a new knife at all but given how the jade and iolite gems work they would be pretty op

[kind crystal]

exactly

[marsh radish]

I do agree it is kinda annoying when it clouds everything up 👍

[runic plover]

I used Skoll and Hati in Ashlands. With them fully upgraded, their parry ability is actually decent, so killing things resistant to piece isn't that hard.

[kind crystal]

i just dislike when options narrow in late game. swords opened up in mistlands and got a variant alongside the traditional version. knives narrowed to a completely different weapon and were then removed entirely in ashlands

i hope for deep north we get at least one weapon for every category

[marsh radish]

I think there's too many options to choose from when you unlock Mistlands 😭

[lofty wave]

we need more bomb weapons

[kind crystal]

thats what im saying, its overwhelming. magic should be the only new thing in mistlands, all the new melee weapon categories should be introduced earlier in the game

[kind crystal]

that i agree with. tar bombs would be great, makes any enemy around you weaker to fire for a time

[lofty wave]

that would be too op

I just want bombs with instant damage, not the ticking aoe that you need to keep enemies inside

[kind crystal]

not really. there arent many options for fire damage outside of fire arrows or just putting campfires underneath enemies

would make the dyrnwyn worth using 😂

[kind crystal]

do u have ideas?

[lofty wave]

Staff of fracturing can deal hundreds of fire damage in a single attack, and the tarred status would double that

[wintry bobcat]

Only downside is mediocre parry when you can’t carry a shield

[lofty wave]

the growth bombs are a good way of balancing this, we don't also need instant tar bombs

[kind crystal]

thats a late game weapon, its gonna be strong against all previous biomes by default

[kind crystal]

they’re still good even if you dont parry. also evasion mantle trinket

[wintry bobcat]

Battleaxe, dual axes? 2h swords? Even clubs get an evolution to their move set once they become maces

[kind crystal]

again, those are sidegrades. they dont outright replace the initial option. also the only change maces get is the secondary attack, the basic combo stays the same across every 1 handed club variant

[lofty wave]

berserkir axes are the only axe in ashlands

[runic plover]

His point was that in all places where those other 2H weapons exist, the 1H version is still available. Not so for knives once you hit mistlands.

[kind crystal]

that just illustrates my point, although they can still cut wood so i guess its not that big of a deal

[kind crystal]

this just highlights the issue tho. you have no other choice if you want to continue using knives. skoll and hati is a very fun weapon but sometimes it cant beat the efficiency of a knife and shield, the only issue being that mistlands doesnt have a 1H knife

[serene wing]

I am once again requesting inventory upgrades

[lament zinc]

And many will once again downvote it. Especially since it's been mentioned a trillion times by now, so it's VERY likely the devs are aware by now that not everyone likes to adapt to the small inventory.

Unless they're completely blind and stupid; which I doubt they are.

[fast void]

Devs have already stated they are looking at it for 1.0, so it's a matter of waiting to see what direction they take it at this point.

[wintry bobcat]

Sounds to me like you just dislike devs having put in weapon skips in biomes in general

Unfortunately devs have specified that it is intentional so I don't see it changing

[kind crystal]

honestly the ExtraSlots mod is the perfect iteration. you get armour slots, utility slots (belt, wishbone etc), arrows, meads/food and a new unlockable free slot for each biome you finish. if they could just make it vanilla we’d be all sorted

[wintry bobcat]

Not so for axes either in Mountains

Though personally I'd rather take a 2h knife in mistlands than a 0 hand knife in Ashlands

[kind crystal]

buddy that doesnt make sense. how can it be a weapon skip if there’s nothing to skip TO

[wintry bobcat]

There might be in Deep North

But in either case its a skip. Knives skip that biome. If they skip the last 3 biomes, that would still be skipping in my mind

I feel like Deep North is at least gonna have one of each weapon class, even if not one of each variation of each weapon

We shall see tho

[kind crystal]

we should hope so. anyway, you’re still missing my point. replacing weapons is never a good idea. 2H swords dont replace 1H swords, they coexist. knives should be the same, because having the choice between 1H and 2H knives is not only more flexible but also more practical depending on the situation. im not saying we need a dual knife skill, but weapon replacements should be encouraged

[wintry bobcat]

I'd be careful with blanket statements of it never being a good idea. Personally I like that you can't just grab a 1h knife in every single biome, because it pushes me to try out other things

But yea I guess I still don't see the point. Really seems to me like you just want weapon variety in each biome, having all the options available so you can pick what you want

[kind crystal]

we dont need it in every biome, i think slowly introducing more variety instead of dumping it all in the mistlands is a stronger approach. im simply saying that replacing a weapon that has been standard in every biome since the start with a version that has objective downgrades from the original (slower animation cancel, far lower block/parry) is not a good idea. the choice should be there, and you said yourself you dont like the parrying with skoll and hati. that could literally be fixed by just adding a 1H mistlands knife to maintain that choice.

[wintry bobcat]

I see

[kind crystal]

skoll and hati is a very fun weapon, but sometimes a knife and buckler is just the better option, and it just sucks that mistlands doesnt have that choice

[wintry bobcat]

Still not personally a fan, but have seem quite a few similar suggestions

A lot of people don't like to be locked out of using what they wanna use

[shadow crow]

Mistlands knife should just be a soldier mandible with a handle

[kind crystal]

i understand not having knives in ashlands, its a shame but it makes sense because most enemies in that biome resist pierce anyway

[kind crystal]

exactly

[wintry bobcat]

That's the carapace spear! Except the handle is kinda long

[shadow crow]

Exactly! That's the only difference between spears & knives anyway

[kind crystal]

thats the thing tho. replacing a weapon with a fundamentally different one DOES lock people out of using what they want

[wintry bobcat]

mhm

That's the reasoning why there's been a lot of suggestions to change it

[kind crystal]

if i used a knife and shield all game just to find out that the next knife CANT be used with a shield, i’d be bummed.

[fast void]

Mistlands should have a mandible-based fist weapon.

Fistlands* if you will.

[kind crystal]

even though the 2H moveset is better imo, the lack of strong parrying is a big downside that knife players shouldnt be forced to deal with just to continue using that weapon class

[kind crystal]

im so glad we got new fist weapons with call to arms, the plains maulclaws are so much fun

[shadow crow]

I will not

[peak bronze]

We have Splitnir tho.
Although it's neat weapon, especially Iolite version.

[kind crystal]

true, and as i said, with how chain lightning works, knives would be incredibly strong and that’s probably the reason they don’t exist in ashlands

[wintry bobcat]

Knives would benefit massively from all 3 enchantments, not just lightning

[lofty wave]

we need an iolite sledge

[wintry bobcat]

Fast attack speed:
Lightning is high damage and potential AoE
Poison is effectively stunlocking

High sneak damage:
Blood go brrrrrrrrr instakill

[kind crystal]

you’d have to maintain very low hp to make the bloodstone work (imo it definitely needs a buff because its the worst stone and its not even close) but yeah i could see it being very strong

[fast void]

Doesn't poison not contribute to stagger at all?

[kind crystal]

especially with the knife sneak attack, if you were at super low hp you’d be 1 shotting lots of medium-high hp enemies

[lofty wave]

I think he meant the roots from jade

[fast void]

Ah.

[slim forge]

@wanton atlas this is what I mean, so my text has some visual representation to how much blinded it's possible to get. I hope the team can look over the opacity area around the affected unit so we can see things other than flash banging ourselves sometimes 🙂

[royal lily]

#suggestions message i like this a lot. I would like sneak to be used more in game (but not too much)

[wanton atlas]

I tihnk it's a result of our overhaul of things

notice how the "dust particles" when building or cutting wood is very large nowdays

[slim forge]

yeah I just wanted to alert you guys, and hope for some understanding. if you guys keep it or not is your design decision I just can't see a reason to have it this strong as a player. no worries, todays death was rough, was on my way to a new PB and this battle rippled into a throwing in the towel, had to re sail to ashlands, 25 min lost , then i got unlycky with a stone throw and died again naked... with no portal down so it was time for a GG for today xD hope you guys are having an awesome easter!

[languid ibex]

The scaling of those particles looks far larger than what I've seen, also being able to see in that moment wouldn't have prevented the animation lock the character was in by spamming attacks in a bad spot.

I'm assuming some setting is at play here to make them that big.

[slim forge]

I'm speedrunning so most settings are on a setting that keeps the min and avg fps as stable as possible without losing too much fidelity

[languid ibex]

Have you tried utilizing soft particles?

[slim forge]

what does it do? it does cost a tiny bit of performance and I've really not seen a usecase for it that makes it good for speedrunning

[languid ibex]

Well, seeing if you aren't blinded while fighting could be a good use case no?

[slim forge]

I could test it, I just don't recall affecting the visuals like that, it's been a while. Do you know what soft particles do before I use 20 minutes testing it?

[languid ibex]

I will do just that, and soften the edges of the particles being emitted.

Perhaps even offer some additional transparency across the board, depending on how it's tuned.

[slim forge]

luckly i had my save from tooday so I could go to the same spot and test it fast

it does zero diff for the situation

usually I delete my saves after stream is done, but just wanted to end quickly and recover x) but for the testing, if you light up vultures they arre going to plasterr your rscreen with giga spirit lights

[languid ibex]

Is it just the Voltures?

[slim forge]

no, but they are the most troublesome, as they fly around your visual field all the time and they are a large unit, other units have less width so the issue is not as prevalent, but if you light up loxes you are going to be blind etc. Basically it will depend on which mobs due to unit size. So the prime example are vultures when it gets the worst.

[languid ibex]

The particles do look strange in the footage, where they should appear a bit more transparent and more like puffs of smoke.

[languid ibex]

I would do some testing and see if you can adjust those with the particle lights slider, because they've never appeared like that for myself.

[slim forge]

test it on vultures in ashlands and see how it goes

[languid ibex]

Anti-aliasing may also help a little.

Ah, I'm unable to test at the moment, currently on a break from work, but after work I may look a little more into this.

I have a feeling Voltures may have been scaled up, I can't confirm this, but that may have an effect on the particles that are attached.

So it just looks that much worse when you have lower quality particles floating around them in the form of bright squares.

[crimson dock]

QoL feature waking up after death fully rested with rested buff rather than respawning and waiting for rested buff

Unless you have no bed in which case you wake up as usual

[languid ibex]

Someone brought this up before, it sounds abuse-able and unintuitive. Waking up after death isn't a restful state, and it's good for players to take a beat after death so they might consider something other than just running in naked over and over.

There's a reason you don't just stay rested upon death, you lose that buff because you died.

[wanton atlas]

I don't think respawning after death is rather plesant 🤔
and also what's the rush?
your tombstone doesn't decay

[wanton atlas]

exactly. valheim isn't minecraft where your stuff is on the floor and will decay

[lofty wave]

it's hard to be patient when you want your stuff back

[wanton atlas]

that's how you end up in black forrest gear in mistlands

[thick bridge]

#suggestions message

just find a greydwarf spawner, set up a farm then let them hit you over and over to level up the stat. Stat leveling progression isn’t great to begin with for some stats such as farming, cooking, pickaxes, etc. so if you can get it done early and easy just make it as easy for yourself as possible because some stats take actual ages to level up

[crimson dock]

I guess patience is a virtue, but it just seems off getting out of bed as if you’ve just been sleeping to not be rested

[thick bridge]

But like… you weren’t sleeping. You were literally dead which is kinda like sleeping but not at all like sleeping

And while some stuff I don’t agree with being part of the game I do agree with that because the number of times I’ve died and in that 20 seconds or so of waiting came up with a plane to get my stuff back when I was a meadows level having died in the plains. It gives plenty of time to think and reflect whereas in something like Minecraft I’d just sprint back and die because it doesn’t give much time to get back to your stuff and plan a “get in and get out” strategy

[peak bronze]

Resurrection doesn't sound like waking up from good sleep.

[crimson dock]

I guess in a sense you’re not gonna be feeling rested when a saying for dying is being put to rest and you are being brought back to life

It’s just inconvenient especially when I’m able to get kitted out and ready to leave base before the rested buff even triggers

It adds up over the course of a playthrough, Minecraft is a poor example because there’s no rested buff that has such a huge difference in ur hp regen and stamina regen, and I have instant respawn active in Minecraft when I do die so I don’t have to wait around doing nothing here the difference is a die then have to stand around doing nothing until the rested buff is active again because there’s no point leaving base till then

[wanton atlas]

what if your bed is destroyed and you wake up in the starting circle?

[crimson dock]

Yeah you’re not gonna be rested you didn’t ‘wake up’ out your bed

That’s why I’m saying contextually it makes sense to get out your bed rested but not if you appear at spawn altar

Ultimately all I’m asking for has very little effect on the course of the game, it just saves you having to wait in those situations where you do fall in a death loop, as it detracts from the experience and surely most players will have experienced doing this and some even before knowing of and taking advantage of the rested buff

[marsh radish]

Morning, I don't think you can fire a longbow while crouched irl they were like 4-7ft. A crossbow you could and a normal sized bow, but I'm not sure which the midgame bows qualify as

[crimson dock]

Also another suggestion I have is the first time you get something akin to the new recipe unlocked where when you experience a new buff/debuff or set bonus it briefly shows a pop up showing the stats and/or a description

[finite folio]

You turn it sideways

[thick bridge]

A long bow is around 6-7 feet (1.8-2.1 meters) a normal bow is 5.1-5.8 feet (1.5-1.7 meters) and a short bow is 3-5 feet (.9-1.5 meters) these are definitely either normal sized bows or short bows unless the characters in game are 8 feet tall which if that’s the case you’re not sneaking to begin with and if you can sneak you’d likely be able to sneak while firing a longbow but as what happened IRL you turn it on its side to lower its profile and make it stealthier

Meaning you can effectively fire any bow besides maybe a war bow but if you’re firing one of those you’re not trying to be stealthy to begin with

Have you never played Skyrim? Bc they did a pretty good job of showing how bows were used for stealth

[spiral ice]

You can also fire a bow behind your neck (jarmakee). It looks cool and is totally possible while crouching.