valheim-chat

[hasty geyser]

I did find an abomination

[lunar sapphire]

Can I pet that dawg?

[hasty geyser]

That dawg dead

[lunar sapphire]

💀

[hasty geyser]

🪓

not another one 😭 its night time

[analog stirrup]

what are you doing out at night

[hasty geyser]

Looking for a turnip

[lunar sapphire]

Herbing

[hasty geyser]

I got jumped by a 2* skeleton, abomination and a wraith

[analog stirrup]

oh no

[lunar sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/james-candy-family-guy-trap-gif-7655570

Brain in the swamps at night time

[hasty geyser]

Its okay im alive for now

im dead

[lunar sapphire]

Feeling a bit swamped there?

[hasty geyser]

2* draugr 🙁

[analog stirrup]

oh no

[hasty geyser]

we're back, turnip hunt is still on

https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202267437647527977 Umm why are you here

[lunar sapphire]

Those are cute water buffalo

[distant girder]

do asks attack bosses?

tamed asks

[hasty geyser]

there are no turnips in my 2 swamps

[analog stirrup]

saad

[lunar sapphire]

You must be stumped over the lack of turnips

[hasty geyser]

i just wanted some better food, I'll try again tomorrow its getting late

[modern copper]

👋 just purchased (on mobile) havent even installed yet..will tomorrow. hi!!

[lunar sapphire]

Howdy Meowdy

[modern copper]

so i did some brief reading and saw there are mods. since im on mobile atm i cant see workshop area, is there stuff there for it?

[lunar sapphire]

Mods for Valheim aren't officially supported by Irongate. As the game updates mods will break. However if you still wish to modify the game before 1.0 comes out (and after) feel free to look through the ⁠mods-discussion channel

and the other modded content related channels

[modern copper]

🙂 tyvm

[hasty geyser]

I have a beer and another hour to find turnips

[lunar sapphire]

fyi the turnips look like this 😛

[hasty geyser]

Yeah i figured they look like the carrot seeds, I can;t believe I found bonemass without a stone to show me but I cant find a turnip

What should I make first out of iron? I have the nails for the boat already

[lunar sapphire]

IIrc the first things to make when acquiring new ores / metals are pickaxes and possibly axes

but it depends what you want to make first ofc

[analog stirrup]

the sword is a fun option lol (what i went with) i usually do above now though then armour

[hasty geyser]

Yeah Id like a new weapon maybe, I also have a few roots now if that armor is any good?

[lunar sapphire]

the root set gives +15 archery skill

As well as these bonuses

[hasty geyser]

Okay well thats looks decent for the swamp ngl

[analog stirrup]

how do you find it with the gyall?

unless you just use the potion?

[hasty geyser]

Yeah i have potions

[lunar sapphire]

a gjall in swamps?

[hasty geyser]

I currently have troll armour

[analog stirrup]

forgive me i butted in for my own knowledge LOL im in mistlands backs away LOLLL

[lunar sapphire]

😄

[hasty geyser]

Im not gonna be mad about no turnips, I found haldor, bog witch and bonemass on this trip

[analog stirrup]

ayeeeee

[lunar sapphire]

Good on you not letting the lack of turnips bog you down

[hasty geyser]

You're cruel

I like it

[analog stirrup]

@unkempt perch your humour is great

[lunar sapphire]

[lunar sapphire]

I'm sure their humour is great

[forest jacinth]

Does the wet debuff overwrite the roots penalty

[foggy glacier]

usually.

[foggy glacier]

The way resistances and weaknesses usually work is that any resistance supersedes the weakness.

[dark coyote]

I think thats stupid, what do I need all these resistances for if I'm ranged? or vice versa?

[plain bane]

The humble Cultist:

But no, the resistances on the root set (minus the fire resistance, which is ironically a damning weakness on mountains), are amazing in swamps and plains.

Leeches do a combination of poison and pierce (root resists both), blobs do poison (and tend to ambush you and are not effectively ranged) tars do poison, deathsquitoes ambush and do pierce. If you know when to keep root pieces equipped vs swap them out, you can easily tank hits you'd otherwise die from in normal armor of an equivalent tier.

[rain flare]

Drinks poison resistance mead followed by a jug of barley wine
I’m sorry, what was that?

[plain bane]

If you're finding barley in swamps, your save might be scuffed.

[rain flare]

No, I just like to live dangerously 😂
One game I put on some troll armor and sneaked into a village to steal some barley before running myself away from a very angry horde of goblins 🤣

[paper marsh]

I mean with root harnesk plains also becomes a lot less lethal even if the rest of your gear is swamp too

[plain bane]

Done that before. Was very fun learning what you can and can't parry with a bronze buckler on swamp tier food.

Not a fan of making it a habit.

[paper marsh]

Try it with mistlands tier food for optimal biome skipping fun

[plain bane]

Was joking that relying on barley for fire resistance for frost caves is problematic if you're coming from the swamps.

[plain bane]

I quit halfway into mistlands back when it released and only just got back into the game. Remember jotunn puffs being OP as hell tho

[paper marsh]

I’m a fan of pushing the limits once I get serpent food going. Able to get likr 200+hp in swamp

Lately I’ve been playing vhard tho so thats still a oneshot if braving something like a club fuling. Still nice for surviving the swamp

[plain bane]

Blegh I don't remember how to solo serpents.

Did it once for the bit years ago, don't think I could do it again. Something about stacking stamina food and using the harpoon

[paper marsh]

Or just shoot them with a bow

[plain bane]

Although I guess if you don't need the scales/coin/trophy you can just bow spam

[paper marsh]

Bows feel cheesy in general to me and I often don’t have a harpoon early so I just try to lure them to land and have an awkward fight on the shoreline with them

[plain bane]

I thought they flee in shallow water?

[paper marsh]

They tend to

Which makes it awkward. Often have to build a couple walls to stop them from swimming out, or lure it into some leeches or something that will make quick work of it

Inciting mob fights is so fun

[plain bane]

Fair enough :'V

[ionic iron]

Can helpers assign Discord roles?

[lunar sapphire]

What role are you after?

[ionic iron]

Admin, kidding, I'm on the wiki team and wanna add someone to the channel

[cinder trench]

I should definitely become admin

[ionic iron]

^ This one here bee mod

[lunar sapphire]

I'll raise the interest in helping out for financierhdn with the team and we'll see from there

[cinder trench]

Thankiez. I'll put down workin for today then

[carmine spoke]

I just defeated the boss in meadows what gear should I have to prepare to enter black forest?

[paper marsh]

Flint knife or flint spear. Wooden shield

Optionally a bit of rag or leather armor

Don't go out at night

[carmine spoke]

Cool I already have the items

[snow aurora]

silver

[paper marsh]

Ignore lieutenant thunder

[carmine spoke]

Silver is crazy LMAO

[snow aurora]

lol jk

[plush umbra]

guys how rare are leviathans? i wanna get a harpoopoo and/or abyssal dagger before elder just because XD

[snow aurora]

i thought they spawn randomly

[plush umbra]

i read that it spawns once every grid of the world or something idk i dont remember XD

[carmine spoke]

How do I find the black forrest?

[tacit crystal]

Move further from the center (the sacrificial stones), you can notice new types of trees and different looking terrain from distance.

[plush umbra]

Yo guys what to do if i find plains before elder XD

i was scared so i just ran

[tacit crystal]

You should go back later, it's the 5th biome.

[plush umbra]

i see thanks, i was actualy looking for swamp but it looks like theres none and i have to do some ocean expeditions XD

[tacit crystal]

When you're on sailing trip, keep an eye for big dead looking trees and low terrain partially under water.

[plush umbra]

noted

how do i know if there are sea serpents?

[tacit crystal]

Mind spoiler?

[plush umbra]

yes i mean i wont really bring my whole gear while doing ocean trip anyways so might as well protect the boat

[tacit crystal]

(I put tag just in case)
Serpents spawn ||only during night and/or rainy weather|| in ||ocean biome||.

[plush umbra]

Oh okay thats reassuring thanks

[tacit crystal]

They're also ||balanced around Black forest gear||. So having finewood bow and flint arrows is the best bet at that state.

[plush umbra]

i see thanks

[versed urchin]

Anyone Want To Play Im New

[tacit crystal]

Welcome, check https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1024264966712340510 👍

[plain bane]

stam food buff running in case you meet a bear

[forest jacinth]

Are beached serpents weak to fire?

[rain flare]

No not really

They are actually immune to it if the wiki is accurate

Best damage type is frost

[tacit crystal]

Not immune, but as they're on water and wet they resist it and the burning won't last on them.

[distant girder]

do bosses attack chickens?

[halcyon moat]

When will we get mounts like horses and dragons that we can ride?

[pulsar mortar]

never

[tacit crystal]

Both have been rejected by developers since the EA launch.

[bitter apex]

is there a discord where i can find valheim players to start a server in and play with?

[lunar sapphire]

#valheim-chat message

[rain flare]

Wiki is wrong - someone fix it 🤣

[forest jacinth]

Wiki says fire resistance doesn't work like Minecraft and that bugs me

Why mention Minecraft

[supple bear]

Why is the Ashland zone trying to play like 3 different songs at once?

[distant girder]

you can ride lox and asksvin

asks are like, if a horse was a pickle

midway point between a horse and pickle

[snow aurora]

Why

[merry pebble]

Iirc the reasoning was along the lines:
Flying mounts - Would be too easy to skip stuff
Horses - they would rather add their own mounts

[plush umbra]

What if they make mounts saddles unlockable through progression of each bosses or something

[rain flare]

There are several different themes that can play on Ashlands depending on whether you are near a destroyed “village”, a charred fort, ocean, general wandering

It can be a mess 😅
Hopefully gets fixed

[rain flare]

Adds giant lava lizard 🦎

[supple bear]

So its a known bug and i shouldnt report it?

[merry pebble]

[rain flare]

It’s probably been reported, but you can check under #steam-bugs-discussion
Or one of the other platforms depending where you are playing 👍

[rain flare]

Everyone mentions minecraft - people be far to familiar with it

[rain flare]

I know this has been discussed quite a bit previously

[supple bear]

Luckily you dont really need to spend too much time in the ashlands anyway

I think it was my shortest biome by far, excluding meadows

To be fair though thats mostly because im a mage. Most of that gear and its upgrade uses old materials and the staffs don't even take eitr which is a lot of time saved.

Not like anything other than the Wild Staff matters lol

[plain bane]

What if they add bikes

[plush umbra]

do you guys know how to get rid of this fog thingy... nvm i cant post a pic

but its like foggy thingy but its clear as day

its like the minecraft cloud when you have the cloud height to low and is tryna build a high tower or something

[near saddle]

you can post pictures in #valheim-help

[plush umbra]

okay thanks

[tacit crystal]

It is one variant of weather that changes.

[plush umbra]

i sent the pic on valheim help but if it is then what weather is that

[tacit crystal]

No other way to get rid of it than waiting for different time of day, and yes it is due to weather.

Other biomes can have different weather at the same time tho.

[plush umbra]

I see

[paper marsh]

So, how it currently works?

[ancient breach]

hello guys where can i find a good public servers list?

[merry pebble]

You can take a look in #1024264966712340510 🙂

[ancient breach]

alr thx i just bought the game i wanted to play with some people

[merry pebble]

Just fyi, its best to play with friends you already know or at the very least with people who are also playing for the very first time 🙂
I would even suggest playing the first playthrough alone if you are not too opposed to that, as it is really once in a lifetime experience that many wish they could enjoy again. 😄

[gray sand]

It's best to play alone 😏

[merry pebble]

Very much subjecthive™ 😄

[gray sand]

😄

[supple bear]

I assume the game is radically easier with multiple people, similar to Dark Souls. Not the grind of course, that just multiplies, but the combat itself

[merry pebble]

Indeed it is, even tho the game scales the enemy dmg and effective hp up to 5 people.
It is still way easier with more peeps 😄

[supple bear]

Its not an HP or damage issue its an aggro issue. You basically have one person hold aggro while the rest are free to just attack. Solo you have to do both

[merry pebble]

Exactly

[supple bear]

You can kinda do that now with the troll summon but its really not worth because it dies too fast

Its a good short distraction on the boss but whoever said those things were good at clearing forts were clearly huffing greydwarf eyes or had really high blood magic skill. In my experience as soon as they land they get staggered and instant die to the spam of attacks lol

[heady parcel]

Also, hopping on a populated, progressed server as an absolute noob will most likely give a very skewed impression of the early game. The area near spawn is bound to be heavily exploited already, so the only way to get going will be to get hand-held by the regulars. I'd absolutely not want anyone to have that as their intro to the game.

[hasty geyser]

Honestly this game feels like it's meant to be played solo, but playing with friends is a lot of fun too

[rain flare]

My brother of the sword your magik skills require some work 🤣

[rain flare]

Playing with friends is the best

[heady parcel]

That's basically how it is tbh. And players used to everything being multiplayer often get a bit confused by this. "Wdym there are no official servers?!?"

[paper marsh]

I've never really played on a public server for any game

Always just with friends

Except like, things that are obviously public I guess. Stuff like Destiny

[heady parcel]

Yeah, the game loop in a game like DayZ kinda depends on everyone being strangers. Finding your friends if you hop on the same server is an adventure in itself...

[hasty geyser]

Im so ready to go and start making my main base but I wanna find turnips first so they can grow for a bit 😭

[runic pasture]

yoyo

[merry pebble]

Nope

I dont do mods, so no

[full mesa]

kk

[short gale]

Join the triumph of the skies

[marble delta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgLRgs-4wIA

gotta say, I'm inclined to agree

[hasty geyser]

its not even funny anymore, 3 swamps, no turnip 🙁

[marble delta]

Just went through this. Found ONE.

[hasty geyser]

Gimme 😭

[supple bear]

it simply takes too long to level the stuff up. I more or less always ignore skills in my playthrough

I usually kill fader before any skill is even above 50 besides maybe run

this run my ele magic was 42 and blood magic 12 lol

when one death ruins hours of progress why care about it. just a recipe to get mad

[marble delta]

Gotta just grind at greydwarf spawners. Which sucks. Can’t meaningfully level those skills up before Ashlands where you get your teeth kicked in

[gray sand]

Skills are free stats.
Death does not ruin them, because they are free bonuses 🤷‍♂️

[supple bear]

Depending on how high the skill level was a death can erase hours of grinding

I choose not to bother with it since i largely dont need it anyway

As long as i two shot twitchers and archer in the ashlands with the fire staff thats all i care about

you can do that at like level 30 lol

[heady parcel]

Some skills are definitely on the slow side, others are fine. I usually hit 100 in running and jumping while in Mistlands, and swords & bows soon after. Blocking lags behind somewhat, and no other skill is really relevant. (I don't do magic, they sit at 0 from day 1 to day 2000...) The two skills I would like to see get a buff to experience gain are Fishing and Cooking, they are frustratingly slow

[supple bear]

The fastest way to even level up ele magic is to stand in your house and spam ice staff at TWIG. You can even alt+tab and your game will keep autofiring

[paper marsh]

Think the earliest I've gotten a skill to 100 was spears by plains

[supple bear]

Even doing that it still takes a long time to level up. Its not fun gameplay

When the game first came out i got bow skill to 100 off a rock. It took like 8 hours straight lol

After i made all the arrows

[paper marsh]

Sounds boring

At that point why not just use devcommands?

[supple bear]

Or just dont even care about it

[paper marsh]

I find the game is balanced around low skills so I don't really bother training them yea. I also tend to swap to a different weapon every biome and I'm not worrying about getting 10 skills to 80+

[supple bear]

Yep its not really necessary

[heady parcel]

That is the way. I just play the game and let the skills grow organically, I did some focused skill grinding in WoW years ago and it has scarred me for life. Never again!

[supple bear]

I dont think you can one shot twitchers with a fire staff no matter how high your ele magic is anyway

it will always be a 2 shot maximum so why care

[paper marsh]

People feel like magic isn't strong until you get significant levels in it because it does low damage

But like... magic is OP because you are putting yourself at zero risk and require zero skill to do that damage

[supple bear]

Magic is ruthlessly busted even with no levels

Especially in ashlands

[heady parcel]

Magic is boring 🙂

[supple bear]

Your attacks dont use stamina and have amazing crowd control and aoe damage

[paper marsh]

Honestly magic would at least be better if they did a big nerf to shield bubble

[supple bear]

How is that not op

Once you get the wild staff the game is just completely over

Literally nothing can threaten you anymore

You can aggro the entire ashlands they will all die to the slam

[gray sand]

Ok. I don't do grinding?
Naturally playing the game I can have my main weapon at 50 before leaving the Swamp. If I then swap weapons around to try other things, I can have 3 at 50ish by the time I leave Plains.

[paper marsh]

I like to use magic in moderation. Like going HHF so I can have 30ish eitr to do a bit of magic here and there. Maybe HHE if I'm really feeling it

[supple bear]

I don't and will continue not to. If you want to waste your time grinding skills for almost no return on investment and heavier death punishments be my guess. Valheim is a choose your own adventure game you can make it as hard or as easy as you want

[gray sand]

It is. Magics is broken op.
Anyone who doesn't think that is just wanting it to stay op because they use it.

[gray sand]

Literally just said I don't grind...

[supple bear]

I generally use troll armor, skip to silver, get padded, and then go straight for mage gear as progress lol

[paper marsh]

nah there's definitely some melee diehards who have no idea how to use magic and think its weak

That's a very low % of players tho

[supple bear]

I mean i will say this

[gray sand]

Fair.

[supple bear]

Fighting Fader as melee is like 10x harder than with magic

This is coming from someone who no hit him with no food lol

[paper marsh]

Even when playing mage I didn't use mage armor. Stuff like Fenris just felt better

Or even heavy armor / askvin armor, but that's because I do a lot of melee combat mage hybrid

[gray sand]

I don't get how I state I am not grinding and then "If you want to keep wasting your time grinding"....

[heady parcel]

Gods, once you get a vineberry bush to grow there's no stopping it

[supple bear]

The eitr regen is pretty goated

You dont even need HP food to be honest

Since your attacks dont use stamina all your stam goes into defense

[paper marsh]

Well if you're going mage all the way just triple eitr yea. Bubble will absorb everything

[supple bear]

As melee I generally just parry spam anyway so armor is also kind of irrelevant. thats why i spend most of the game in troll armor and padded

I dont think ive ever actually made carapace armor lol

[paper marsh]

Upping your eitr regen like 40-50% with the mistlands set sounds nice but I didn't feel a huge diff other than feeling physically slow as compared to something like a heavy helmet and fenris

Didn't play with it for long tho

[supple bear]

fully upgraded padded is 100 armor which is pretty respectable going into ashlands. A fully upgraded eitr weave set by that point is like 60 def lol

The eitr regen is nice especially if you're never getting hit or parrying anyway

The staves can parry 1 star enemies in ashlands fully upgraded

[paper marsh]

at first I hated how vhard makes it near-impossible to parry a lot of enemies, but since I've actually come to quite enjoy it. It's an interesting dynamic when you can't parry your way out of everything, or when you really have to commit to a parry in order to pull it off

[supple bear]

What cant you parry with a staff in mistlands and ashlands?

it has a base parry block of 96

[paper marsh]

Anything that's not a 0 or maybe 1 star twitcher or marksman in ashlands, pretty much

Unless you have bubble active

[supple bear]

you can parry morgens

Hmm you know iactually forgot that health matters for parries now

[paper marsh]

Only their roll

[paper marsh]

Well actually idk if this comment referred to my vhard comment or if it was just seperate. If on normal difficulty you can parry most stuff yea

[supple bear]

you know that kind of makes sense because most of the time in ashlands when im just messing around i run two hp foods and seeker aspice just to conserve on my eitr food. Which means i often have really have HP for a mage

when im going ham its usually just 2 eitr foods and a stam food

[supple bear]

Ive always played on whatever the default settings are. I did a no map no portal run once prior to ashlands but it was pretty miserable. The map I played on this run was one i found on reddit and quite possibly the best speedrun seed in the entire game.

All the bosses excepter fader are on the same landmass lol

Not only is the map layout insane but the resource spread and dungeon loot is goated

[paper marsh]

No map no portal was pretty fun when I tried it, but damn tedious too. Don't think I could do another run like that

[supple bear]

I dislike tedium

[paper marsh]

I'm enjoying upped raid rate because I get to fight things more.

Helps organically train skills too

[supple bear]

Valheim already has enough of that to go around

The only time i even got on a boat this run was to go to ashlands lol

[heady parcel]

I won't ever do no-map I think, but I'd like a soft mode no-map where you can check the map at the cartography table, but not anywhere else

[paper marsh]

Yeah no map is rough. No portals is doable and introduces a lot of fun preparation, though I don't think I have the patience for it anymore

[heady parcel]

No-portals however changes the dynamic of the game in a way I really like. More emphasis on planning ahead and making sensible choices on what to bring on a trip.

[paper marsh]

missing out on that serpent food and abyssal razor

[supple bear]

At this point I like to just know where I'm going. I've been playing the game since day one and does god knows how many playthroughs at this point. There is nothing new and exciting to me about exploring yet another black forest or plains

[heady parcel]

The part I like best about exploration is finding these odd anomalies that happen sometimes in biome boundaries

[supple bear]

Oh and did i mention all the traders and stuff are also on the same land mass

[heady parcel]

They spur me to explore even when don't strictly need to anymore

[supple bear]

Check out the seed VbWeuvBCy3 sometime and follow the spawn north. I made my base in that little meadows between the bone mass swamp, moder mountain, and plains yag which was insane for quick progression. Theres even 4 silver nodes basically right on top of eachother right above that base spot by the first dragon egg.

the bog witch is right next to bonemass and trader right above. Its bonker levels of generation

[hasty geyser]

Is there a turnip

[supple bear]

Only one in that swamp lol

plenty of iron though

and 2 surtling spawners

[hasty geyser]

Ive been to 3 swamps now, 1 surt spawner, 4 crypts and no turnips

[supple bear]

Turnips always been pretty elusive for no reason

[paper marsh]

I usually sail around swamp edges as soon as I get bronze, my eyes hard peeled for any turnips

Surprisingly doesn't take that long for me to find

[supple bear]

They do stick out like a sore thumb in the swamp at least

[hasty geyser]

Yeah i'll finish this crypt and then go for another swamp

[supple bear]

To be honest with you I dont even really normally bother with farming that much

Not until the plains forces you to anyway lol

once i grow my 680 flax to make and upgraded paded and mage armor i go back to ignoring it lol

[hasty geyser]

I just want some nice food 🙁

[supple bear]

Swamp tier food?

Well i guess you do need turnips to make the thing to make sausages

[hasty geyser]

Yeah, I'll find some eventually lol

[supple bear]

queens jam and the boar/deer meat never did me wrong

Its certainly not optimal but I hate farming. Luckily the foods in mistlands and ashlands dont require it

[hasty geyser]

I have found 3 different traders already which is cool

[supple bear]

Finding Haldor is the only one that matters to me, i dont even use the other ones lol.

[paper marsh]

I absolutely love bog witch

Haldor belt is very nice QoL, but witch actually buffs me for combat

[hasty geyser]

Yeah i bought that belt thing its really good

[merry pebble]

I love finding all of them, Haldor for the belt ofc, Bog Witch for ratatosk, serving tray and scythe handle, and Hildir for the farming set 🙂

[supple bear]

Frostner is almost as goated as magic. The damage falls off but its still a viable weapon even into ashlands

[hasty geyser]

Maybe i should have got that instead of spending iron on a mace

[paper marsh]

I hate the knockback and slow swing of frostner

[supple bear]

Frostner is a silver tier weapon

[hasty geyser]

Ah okay

[supple bear]

to make and fully upgrade it takes a whopping 120 silver lol

[paper marsh]

Yea frostner and silver sword expensive as heck, but at least they're viable throughout many later biomes

Could also just get a fang spear which is probably the most useful mountains melee weapon and cheap af tho

[valid python]

I'm going after the wooden weapons! My world is pretty old so I have to travel pretty far but like that's my jam: Mostly novelty niche use items that ask me to travel the entire game world to collect, like my awesome fishing hat :3

[supple bear]

I always use clubs. Ill make a bronze and iron mace but never upgrade them. Frostner is the first thing i fully upgrade then the draugr fang and they both lasts me until i get magic

[paper marsh]

I usually make zero clubs

[supple bear]

i also upgrade the shields since that only takes 20 bars for each tier

[valid python]

Frostner wrecks even into Ashlands! I love it!

[supple bear]

clubs are really good up until bonemass

[valid python]

I too am a club man!

[supple bear]

you can easily dunk on bonemass with an unupgraded iron mace and a poison pot

[hasty geyser]

Hey this crypt was pretty good, got 150 iron from it

[supple bear]

and frostner obliterates yag

150 is a good haul

You need quite a lot of it though, the developers love using iron as a recipe for everything for the rest of the game

[gray sand]

Silver Sword better.

[supple bear]

Meanwhile Silver just rotting in corner somewhere

[hasty geyser]

Yeah well I think im at maybe 200 now from 4 crypts but i still need to go to another swamp for turnips anyway

[supple bear]

I dont really recommend upgrading anything iron because you will need quite a lot of it late and end up replacing it pretty quickly anyway. As is tradition for like the first 5 biomes

[slate glacier]

im usually either really lucky, or really unlucky with em.

This run i was both. I got em before even entering my first swamp, but then they somehow deleted themselves before they could grow.

[supple bear]

Speaking of biomes if Deep North is the end and brings 1.0 with it does that mean the Ocean is never going to become a proper biome? I thought that was always the plan

[hasty geyser]

Currently I have level 2 mace, level 3 helmet and 200 more iron

[slate glacier]

"I have altered the deal. Pray I don't alter it further"

[supple bear]

I was always curious what they could do to make it interesting anyway....... i guess they realized theres nothing they can do to make sailing interesting lol

[valid python]

I always thought skeleton and fuling ships could be interesting.

[supple bear]

Even fighting on the new ship is a nightmare because of the railings

you basically have to jump to shoot anything lol

[slate glacier]

the only thing iron id upgrade on a normal or easier run is a pick, then just immediately head for silver. unfortunately i still have to get ymir flesh before i can do that.

[gray sand]

I max out the iron mace because killing things faster is always good.

[valid python]

I actully used Iron Mace for Modor

[supple bear]

Im just lazy and dont like grinding or farming lol. Since i blast through everything up to mistlands so fast anyway I end up just replacing the gear faster than it takes to make it.

[hasty geyser]

I honestly dont mind spending time farming, im enjoying taking it slow. I dont know what armour to use though, I have iron helmet, troll legs and root harnesk

[slate glacier]

depending on the version im running, id just go for frostner immediately.

[merry pebble]

It is better than frostner for her 😄 and by a LOT

[supple bear]

Theres an argument to be made that the root harnesk is BIS for mistlands

[gray sand]

Everything is better than Frostner by a lot 😉

[valid python]

Moder's kinda... resistant to all her own biom's weapons

[merry pebble]

For you personally* 😄

[gray sand]

Indeed.

[slate glacier]

root, if available, is awesome.

[supple bear]

Moder you just use draugr fang with obby arrows

easy clap

[gray sand]

Imagine making the fight take 3x longer by using a bow...

[supple bear]

Depends on how cooperative she is

[merry pebble]

Not to silver sword or fang spear 😄

[slate glacier]

i keep most of my poison arrows and whatever sword i had by that point for her.

[supple bear]

Moder is the only boss i kill with a bow

I dont even think bows hurt Fader at all

[merry pebble]

He is just resistant to pierce

[slate glacier]

think silver with spinesnap is ok

but that will eat your silver crazy fast.

[valid python]

I'm not even carrying a bow atm, I like the crossbows much better.

[merry pebble]

Frost will be better than silver arrows 🙂

[slate glacier]

i dont think hes weak to frost

[supple bear]

yeah the arbalest is really good. Its just not great when you're getting swarmed

I did an ashlands run once only using that thing

[merry pebble]

Neutral, they still do more dmg than silver

[slate glacier]

oh, not even weak to spirit.

somehow immune. i thought he was weak to that.

[supple bear]

Hes not immune to poison

[gray sand]

Frost Arrow being the best arrow in the game 3 biomes later seriously needs to be addressed in 1.0

[supple bear]

Which is why wild staff is goated

[slate glacier]

so yeah frost is ideal.

[supple bear]

I mean if they follow the same design philosophy they did in mistlands and ashlands for the deep north......

Then you're going to get spammed by drakes and polar bears in a permanent blizzard or something along those lines

[slate glacier]

i mean from a balancing pov, sure, but i dont really have much of a problem with it.

[supple bear]

they will prob have pretty heafty frost rez too

[gray sand]

If balance doesn't matter why apply numbers to anything in the game...

[supple bear]

This game isnt even remotely balanced though

[slate glacier]

true.

[supple bear]

I will say though, i dont know when they taught enemies how to finally climb rocks

But thank god they did

Now you too can abuse the hitboxes

[hasty geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202267437647527977 Guys I finally found my turnip

[gray sand]

👏

Time to make stew!

[supple bear]

A glorious find indeed

[valid python]

I'd argue renewablity and abundance of resources needed to craft the arrows should have some amount of concentration.

[dark coyote]

same, I don't bother upgrading anything but maybe shields and weapons

[valid python]

I gotta wonder about the Fulings. One of two still functioning civilizations, and arguably more successful and powerful the Dvergr, despite their technology being sevral millenia behind.

Clearly sapeant, somewhere between the Agricultural revolution and the use of metal tools.

What is their culture and social higher archy?

[supple bear]

More importantly why is black metal green

[gray sand]

Green people drop green metal.

That's the official line anyway 😂

[supple bear]

Yeah iirc they actually answered that question in a dev blog

My name in this discord used to be Why is Black Metal Green?

Ancient history at this point

[gray sand]

Also "why is there no vertical hitbox" if memory serves.

[supple bear]

Haha yeah that was also my name for awhile

Didn't the supposedly make that better? I didnt even really notice in my recent playthrough to be honest

[gray sand]

It's better without breaking it.

Most people have commented the biggest difference is in spears being able to hit things.

[supple bear]

I was struggling pretty hard to hit vultures with the mistwalker

Did it break the moder and yag cheese? Can they hit below them now

[gray sand]

🤷‍♂️ have never cheesed so idk.

[nocturne wolf]

Enemy hitboxes were not changed

[supple bear]

Thats probably why i never noticed then

[gray sand]

Moder vs. Yag would be cool.
Classic fire vs. ice. And anytime she flies he just calls in the meteors.

[valid python]

I suspect the black 'metal' is actually some part of them like... their spleen or brains... or poop.

[supple bear]

No, its literally because a green dude drops it

Dev confirmed it years ago lol

Which i guess could mean its part of them

[valid python]

Well if you look closely I was quotations the 'metal' part not the 'black' part

Ye

[gray sand]

There's a lorestone that confirms it is from a meteor.

[supple bear]

Who even reads those things

[gray sand]

Many of us.

[supple bear]

Imagine not progressing to read lore

[valid python]

I dont think its referring to black metal. The description much more fits the ashlands metal

[gray sand]

Imagine reading lore after killing the bosses.

[glossy heath]

this one? that's flametal, which was originally found as little clumps in craters

[gray sand]

Where's the one you had about blackmetal and the fulings?

[supple bear]

You know i've ever actually mined a flametal node. At least not the new ones. Do they still sink or did they get rid of that mechanic?

[gray sand]

They sink. Just a lot less likely.

[glossy heath]

the only runestone potentially talking about black metal is this one, which implies they are scraps of their old gear that they no longer know how to salvage but don't want to just throw away either.
after all, the item is called scrap and uses the same exact model as iron scrap, which we know is the deformed remains of ancient gear

[gray sand]

And if you can take fortresses you never need to mine it.

[supple bear]

Flametal? yeah

[glossy heath]

it's not a clear implication but it's the best we have 😅

[gray sand]

Ah.

[supple bear]

I mean as a mage you only need 11 flametal anyway

I dont know how expensive the melee gear and legendary weaponsa re

[gray sand]

Normal expensive. But you get like 30+ ore per fort so 🤷‍♂️

[supple bear]

I'm of the mindset that the time you spend upgrading your gear is laregly not worth the time you save in the boss fight doing it

You grind for like 3 hours to save 2 minutes on a fight lol

[gray sand]

I upgrade because it fills the time while plants are growing 😁

[valid python]

You also do it for general survivability.

[supple bear]

I do upgrade stuff that lasts for awhile

I fully upgrade troll armor and use that until the mountains

i fully upgrade padded to

[gray sand]

Shields are the most "worth" in terms of upgrade payback investment.

[supple bear]

Yep and they only take 20 bars

to fully upgrade and make

[gray sand]

Food being the most important stat, Shields probably the second 😂

[supple bear]

I honestly mostly ignore food too for most of the game lol

I dont really use "meals" until the plains

im fine scarfing down deer and wolf meat

[glossy heath]

me until mistlands haha

[supple bear]

The game forces you to grow carrots and turnips for the bench piece

and it forces you to grow flax

[glossy heath]

deer meat, boar jerky, wolf jerky, honey, cloudberries, sausages (because they're really cheap compared to most other meals)

[supple bear]

but other than that i completely ignore farming, although its nice it has its own skill now

Yeah sausages are huge

Once you get into the mistlands though all the best food doesnt take anything you farm

[keen sierra]

YEAAAAAAAAAAAA!! I and my friend finally killed queen after half hour of fight

[supple bear]

i think one of their eitr foods uses barley?

[rapid steeple]

yes

ydraggsil porridge

[supple bear]

seeker aspice is the most cost efficient eitr food

[gray sand]

Winter plz, I will make you food.

[supple bear]

most of the other stuff uses sap

which until you fully upgrade your gear is a critical resource

[rapid steeple]

seeker aspic is the best for mistlands magic

[glossy heath]

scar already keeps me fed now :>

[valid python]

In future play throughs I may opt for lighter armors or less upgrades. Im still very slowly doing my first play through XD over 700 days in game

[rapid steeple]

personally, i use seeker aspic but then skip the porridge to make the stuffed mushroom so i can save barley for baking other foods (like the fried anglerfish in the same biome with HUGE stamina)

[valid python]

So I've been max upgrading every armor set.

[supple bear]

i just use whatever food is easiest. Stuff like meat platters and mashed meat are S+ tier foods in my book. Simply because the crap is easy to farm in bulk

[valid python]

The stuffed mushroom is pretty cheap

[rapid steeple]

exactly

[supple bear]

I end up with so much seeker meat just clearing mistlands it lasts me the entire rest of the game

Stuffed mushrooms take turnips

[rapid steeple]

I'm always growing at least a little bit of every crop in my plains farm, so i got turnips AND carrots on hand

[rapid steeple]

THIS

[gray sand]

This only works if you actually EAT the food 😭

[valid python]

I farm them. If it can be farmed, it should be farmed. This is how I play survival games.

[supple bear]

im pretty sure all the ashlands eitr foods take sap

by that point though you shouldnt need much refined eitr anymore

[gray sand]

Seeker Meat? You mean "pending coal"?

[supple bear]

Im a big fan of seeker aspice lol

[runic pasture]

What is up gng

[rapid steeple]

I'm about to sail to the Ashlands for the first time so idk the recipes until i find out

[supple bear]

its dirt cheap with stuff i naturally amass anyway

[glossy heath]

i do my best to get over my over-resourcefulness TvT

[supple bear]

Mashed Meat is going to be your new best friend.

[gray sand]

1:1 if you burn it, so I have an entire stone fireplace made just for getting 40 coal at a time 😂

[runic pasture]

Yall need help w sm?

[supple bear]

Isnt it easier to just set wood piles on fire in the ashlands

or do a surtling spawner run lol

seeker meat takes a long time to cook

[gray sand]

But then I would still have assloads of seeker meat?

[rapid steeple]

Do i need to kill the bone serpent for the meat?

[runic pasture]

No that is bad food

[supple bear]

Bone serpent meat is pretty good

[runic pasture]

Nr 1 the food weights way to much

[nocturne wolf]

Bonemaw meat isn’t used in any recipes

[runic pasture]

Nr 2 there is way better options

[gray sand]

Yeah, hang it up, sleep, coal.
Hang it up, leave, come back to more coal.

Seeker meat is great.

[nocturne wolf]

You only need to carry 1-2 at a time

[supple bear]

when youre just getting started in the ashlands mashed meat and bone serpent meat are a good HP combo

[runic pasture]

Annoying if your exploring

[rapid steeple]

Then what is it used for?? Just cook on it's own?

[supple bear]

idk how you kids run your food these days but generally as a melee I used 2 HP foods and 1 stam

[gray sand]

It's like 5 less hp and takes 1 ingredient.
Bonemaw meat is amazing.

[supple bear]

you certainly get spammed by them

[runic pasture]

Weights 10kg

[supple bear]

You can walk along the coast and find plenty of them

i suspect since its just meat though it probably only lasts 20 minutes

ive personally never used it

[runic pasture]

Is the wyrm sword worth getting?

[rapid steeple]

Same for beefy melee builds. 2 eitr foods and 1 stamina for magic bonanza

[runic pasture]

Iv beaten the game so far

[supple bear]

you know that reminds me

ive never actually gotten the ||Dyrnwyn||

[runic pasture]

Yea

It is js way to anoying to go get that

The thing is the water

[supple bear]

I hate Ashlands too much to invest the time to do it

[runic pasture]

I just dont wana die in that water and never get ma loot back

[runic pasture]

Ashlands is eazy the water is not eazy thoo

[supple bear]

My goal every playthrough is to complete ashlands as quickly as possible. Luckily the biome is incredibly easy to speedrun

Probably the shortest biome in the game

[runic pasture]

Nooo

[supple bear]

Theres literally nothing to do but clear forts and you only need like 3 of them lol

[runic pasture]

Def not

Medows are faster

Black forest is faster

[supple bear]

IDK those deers are pretty stingy with the trophies

Forts are pretty generous with bells lol

[runic pasture]

Lol

[supple bear]

And they can be cleared in like 2 minutes with magic

[runic pasture]

😭

Well if you wana 100% everything

Ashlands is a pain in the ahh

[supple bear]

Yeah again being a mage is op

90% of what you need doesnt even come from the ashlands

[runic pasture]

Im using the hevy sword w blood stone

[supple bear]

ITs still just a crap ton of thread and eitr for the armor lol

The weapons dont take any eitr though which is nice

[runic pasture]

Yeaa

[supple bear]

Arent the lightning weapons the best for melee?

[runic pasture]

Thing is im using hevy blood sword

[supple bear]

Specifically the dual axes and the greatsword

[runic pasture]

I got 100 mastery on sword

Nah

[supple bear]

Do you just never die or what lol

[runic pasture]

I just 1 tap everything

[runic pasture]

Yes

[supple bear]

If you die you're gonna have to spend like 3 hours just farming that back up

[runic pasture]

Nah

I got a farm

[supple bear]

it doesnt matter XP rates are pretty fixed

[runic pasture]

Dummt

Dummy

[supple bear]

you get a set amount of xp per hit

it never changes

[runic pasture]

I use auto cilcker + dummy + wood sword + a angel where he cant hit me

[supple bear]

you dont need an autoclicker by the way, you can just hold left click and alt tab

[runic pasture]

It is a crazy good build i did

It is ugly thooo

[runic pasture]

Ehh it works for me

But no i never die

[supple bear]

As i mentioned earlier i just dont even bother leveling skills. They are whatever they are

[runic pasture]

I got blood magic 55

[supple bear]

Usually run is my highest at like 50

clubs and magic end up in the 40s

[runic pasture]

Blood magic level 60 was my peak💀

That shi takes days

[supple bear]

Blood magic is notoriously slow even using the speed method

[runic pasture]

Yea

Iv made some great farms

[supple bear]

find one of those swamp spawners with 2 Draugr and one skeleton and summon 4 skele boys and spam shields on them

[runic pasture]

I can show you later today

[supple bear]

its still insanely slow despite that being the best method in the game

[runic pasture]

I can show what iv made later today

If your down

[supple bear]

I mean sure but I just told you what the fastest way to get xp for blood magic is lol

[runic pasture]

Nah i wana afk

To much work for me to spam shielde

[supple bear]

Then you lose out on a huge chunk of xp from shield breaks but still youre limited to how fast 4 skeletons attack

[runic pasture]

You can only summon 2 skelletons

[supple bear]

you can summon 4

[runic pasture]

Nooo

Max is 2

[supple bear]

3 until you get the final gaulder table upgrade

[runic pasture]

99% sureee

Alr got max everything

Exept that wand upgraded to the max

[supple bear]

Its 4.

[runic pasture]

Fk

It is fine tho

[supple bear]

I think it used to be 2 max when mistlands first came out?

[runic pasture]

2 is plenty for me

[supple bear]

But its definately 1 skeleton per upgrade now

[runic pasture]

Last time i checked max was 2

[supple bear]

the real issue is getting them all to spawn as archers

[runic pasture]

Prob new update or sm

[supple bear]

they have to be archers otherwise they will kill the spawners

[runic pasture]

Nah i spawn then hevy attack 1 tap em

[runic pasture]

Yo lwk the best weapon in valheim is the great blood sword

I litterly do 1500 back stap heavy attack

(WITH NO HP LOSS)

[gray sand]

Which means you'd do 1500+ if you used green or blue.
Because red at full HP is exactly the same as not enchanted at all.

[runic pasture]

Yess.

But when i lost everything i do 2.2k+

[gray sand]

Which means, regardless of key level, it is not "the best" as there are better options.

[runic pasture]

More

[runic pasture]

Not rly

I mean it does the best to solo mobs

If i fight one mob

[gray sand]

I could explain the math, but I doubt you care... so I will say that I am happy you found a weapon you are enjoying.

[supple bear]

Imagine getting to fight just one mob in the Ashlands at once

[runic pasture]

I do

[gray sand]

Fader surely never has other mobs pop up during the fight. 😏

[runic pasture]

Tbh i js do heavy attack and one shoot everything basicly

[supple bear]

At least fader kills them all for you

[runic pasture]

Do the math

[runic pasture]

He kills everything

[supple bear]

Fader is honestly the one redeeming factor about mistlands for me

Its nice to have a boss that has more than 3 attacks

[runic pasture]

Lol

[supple bear]

er Ashlands not mistalnds

You know what his moveset reminds me of

Watchdog of the Old Lords from bloodborne.

[heady parcel]

Gods below, building a city wall gobbles up some stone

[gray sand]

Lightning Slayer does 170 + 10.
Enchantment gives 25% chance for +75.
Meaning on average you are doing 198.75 damage.

Blood Slayer does 170 + Nothing.
Enchantment gives +0.2% damage (0.34 actual damage) per point of missing health.

Take the 170 from both and you're looking at 28.75 vs. 0 at max health. Start dropping health and-- You need to be missing 85 hp just to equal the Lightning Slayer.
Maximum possible HP in the game with HHH food is 325. If you run HHS (as is recommended by many) you're at 264. So you would need to be running around with a third of your HP missing at all times just to equal the Lightning Slayer.

[supple bear]

They all pale in comparison to the glorious Wild Staff anyway

[gray sand]

Magic beats everything, yes.

[supple bear]

The most op part isnt even the damage, its the root

I mean you say that yet every time i watch a speedrun or challenge video of any kind on youtube they basically always use the lightning axes and the greatsword

[fading shore]

Probably faster ?

[supple bear]

For speedruns yeah it makes sense, not just regular challenge runs though where time isnt a factor

[gray sand]

Attack chain on the ling axes gives you really good aoe clear if you're getting the proc.
But if rng hates you, they fall behind a bit.

[supple bear]

You dont necessarily need the eitr armor though to be effective with magic

If you arent lazy like i am you can also get qutie a lot of sap at once

[runic pasture]

Well i usaly have 300hp and if we say i lose 250

[supple bear]

using 6+ extractors and constantly moving roots after getting your 50 banked sap

you could easily get enough refined eitr in like a day or two

[gray sand]

If you are consistently at low health, blood weapons do better damage to individual targets, yes.
But you have to maintain that lower hp, which means intentionally getting hit without dying.

[supple bear]

each extractor is 10 per day iirc

[gray sand]

GOOD? - Yes.
BEST? - No.

[supple bear]

Are any of the green gem weapons beside the wild staff any good lol

[gray sand]

Given that the root WORKS ON BOSSES FOR SOME UNKNOWABLE REASON -- yes.

[fading shore]

Yup never cleared Fader that easily with Root Axes

[supple bear]

I mean you can parry arrows in this game and it stuns the enemy

A feature they removed for like a week but readded it because it was funny

Fader also isnt immune to poison so I imagine the jade arbalest is pretty good

[gray sand]

Parry is also once again free and costs no stamina..

[supple bear]

I did notice that in my playthrough lol

[gray sand]

Why do the best games also lean into casualization when they get close to release 😭

[supple bear]

The parry windows in this game are so massive its illogical to not always parry

You know the funny thing is when valheim first came out people praised it for being a casual survival game. Mostly just because you didnt die from not eating or drinking and building was cheap

IMO its far grindier than at least any other survival game ive played

[runic pasture]

I use magic bubble

[wet solar]

Wassup

[runic pasture]

Yes i got good blood magic

Mastery

[dark coyote]

so alll they did was build things? and Odin destroyed them for it? Wow, are we the baddies?

[foggy glacier]

the message on the runestone says he destroyed them for their pride. Sounds like a tower of Babel situation. More likely, he saw them starting to rival his power. We're just doing his dirty work for him, like usual.

[dark coyote]

Oh I see. Yeah I was at the beach the other day and some kids had built a sandcastle, so I kicked it to punish them for their pride.

[compact cedar]

Wild comparison lol

[regal ice]

who tryna run duo or trio

[arctic garnet]

I don't know if I expressed it before, but I'm really happy with the update that (finally) made combat on slopes much less of a hassle.

[heady parcel]

Started bettering my exterior walls the other day, and of course I couldn't stop when I had started so now I have spent hours and an insane amount of stone on building a city wall, I feel I really should build the wall thicker, but dammit I just can't set aside the time to collect all that stone...

[arctic garnet]

Stone: piles up to absurd amounts, so you have too much until you suddenly don't.

[heady parcel]

Exactly.

Still need to build three more towers for the ballistae

Not gonna get a lox in my kitchen again. Ever. No way!

[arctic garnet]

Ah, raising lox. I found it to be too much of a pain in the arse 🥴

[heady parcel]

No it was a wild one, smashed the door in and ignored my clever mob-blocking contraption by the moat

[arctic garnet]

Ah. huh.

[heady parcel]

Before I could kill it it had disintegrated my kitchen and a large portion of my storage room in the basement. Damn aoe cone damage of their stomps...

[runic pasture]

Is there any good ways to get good levels on cross bow?

[heady parcel]

Shoot stuff, many, many times

[runic pasture]

That is trash thooo

I shoot 100 times on a target 0 mastery..

IM LEVEL 14...

[heady parcel]

That's the way it goes. But I suggest just using it as you play and not fret that much over the skill

Shooting moving targets is more fun and gives more xp too I suspect

[runic pasture]

Prov

Prob but geting bolt is anoying

[heady parcel]

Unless you threw them away you should have a lot of bones by the time you can make an arbalest, there's not many other uses for them so you can mass produce bone bolts

[pliant hatch]

There's onu use for bones in a later biome.
However, you will also be able to replace the "used" bones faster as you can use them.

Still, not a good idea to use all your bones on bolts.
Save at least half a stack for the future.

[runic pasture]

I got 20 stacks i got everything

[supple bear]

Wait do people actually build shield generators

[runic pasture]

I got a farm where i get blood mastery

I got like 500 stacks of wood stone gravyard stones

Etc

[runic pasture]

I have in ashlands

[heady parcel]

Graveyard stones?

[paper marsh]

Grausten probably?

[heady parcel]

Ah yes, but that's an odd thing to call it

[dark coyote]

yeah, just means "grey stone" right?

[heady parcel]

Yeah

Ohwait yeah "gravsten" is swedish for tombstone, but that "u" makes difference

[arctic garnet]

If a stand holding a fuling totem is destroyed, will the fuling totem fail to drop?
I saw a fuling totem in a village before beginning my attack, and now it seems to be gone without a trace. Big, glowing effigy doll; I'm 100% sure I'd see it, but I have the same amount of dolls as when I walked in and I feel like I'm being gaslit.

[glossy heath]

knowing valheim, i'd say there's a decent chance breaking it doesn't drop the totem, gonna test that

[arctic garnet]

I'm guessing it got broken in the fighting, somehow, when I wasn't looking. Though I don't think there was any reason for the goblins to swing near it when none of the fighting was there.

[glossy heath]

yea the totem doesn't seem to drop if it's broken

[arctic garnet]

That sounds like a bug to me. At least I hope it's a bug.

Thanks for confirming that I'm not losing my mind. Yet.

[somber bloom]

anyone play arc raiders

[lone rampart]

I don't know how the heck I'm supposed to find traders without a map

[fierce imp]

hey guys, my name is rio, i'm from france and i'm 19^^ i'm looking for people to play with me in valheim and start a new survival and build, chill, and take our time etc:) i don't have friends actually or people with who play video games so i'm asking here because i'm a big fan of valheim🤍

[gray sand]

#1024264966712340510

[fierce imp]

ow thank you my bad

[nocturne wolf]

Hi @cinder trench In a recent wiki change for serpents you have mentioned that the minimum range of -1 on their attack allows them to target players on top of their head, but in my own testing with a modified version of the attack this doesn't seem to change the targeting compared to minimum range 0. Is there any testing you've done, decompiled code you've found or anything else to confirm this behaviour?
From what I can find in the code and through in-game testing with modified attacks, having a minimum range of -1 allows a creature to continue moving towards a target who is already inside the minimum attack range, staying as close to them as possible instead of stopping at the edge of the attack trigger.

[cinder trench]

That's what it appeared to be doing while I was testing it but I didn't have a modified version of the attack. I can go ahead and look at the code for it so see how it handles negatives

[cinder trench]

Just giving it a quick glance it looks like you have the right idea. I'm currently not doing any more work for today but I'll definitely give it a more thorough read later. Thanks for the heads up

[sleek tree]

Y'all. I got possibly the worst moder island ever 🤣🤣

This shit is hilarious. It's so far north I had to go through "frozen north" waters to get to it

Because the entire southern part of the island is fucking mistlands

[paper marsh]

Oof

I feel like Moder oftne has mistlands on most sides

Usually I just go through the mistlands

[sleek tree]

Moder
So scared he put his altar as far north as possible
Made me row the entire way there from my base south of the equator. And surrounded himself in mist to hide from us.

I've never seen him surrounded by mistlands. Been playing a long time and this is a first for me

[gray sand]

Moder is she/her*

[lone rampart]

Literally a mama dragon just trying to protect her babies 😭

[paper marsh]

it would feel odd to name her mother if she wasn’t

We really are cruel, killing everything.

We even smash her eggs just to get her to cry so we can use her tears

[lone rampart]

Unless they were voiced by Samuel L Jackson and the last name was "F***er"

[sleek tree]

Well. If there was another way to get them I wouldn't have to kill her
But Daddy needs black metal tools and there is but one way to get the blast furnace 🤣

[valid python]

Holy shit! I'm like on the biome border between plains and mountains, blizzard effect on my screen and its dark. My ears I peeled listening for deathsitos and Fulings that might be tailing me and as I'm reaching the black forest...

A bear literally leaps out of the darkness with a roar barely missing me. That may be the best this game has ever jump scared me XD

Like I can hardly see maybe 3 meters into the biome and it just explodes out of it to attack me XD

[sleek tree]

I JUST HAD THIS YESTERDAY 🤣🤣 I feel your pain
Bordering mistlands and plains and listening to be attacked when a damn bear jump scares me

[valid python]

They are surprisingly stea;thy for something so big XD

[sleek tree]

They look like rocks at night

[lone rampart]

They look like rocks during the day, too!

[unique marsh]

i am not saying rush it but was there a potential date for the Deep North release?

[gray sand]

"When it is ready" is still the most accurate answer.

[valid python]

Some people are speculating it will align with the Playstation realese

Of course: this is just an educated guess based on tentative evidence.

[short gale]

Tonight, Moder, I am coming

[short gale]

I am victorious once again

[solar plaza]

G'Evenin all

[plain yarrow]

Any info if we'll have the monthly deep north news this month?

[gray sand]

Unknown.

[idle eagle]

I spawned an yggdrassil shoot, but the placement is fixed. There is a way to rotate them or change its size?

[snow aurora]

Finished mountains in 1 day lmfao it's insane

[summer fern]

Like you first visited the mountains, got silver, found the boss, defeated the boss, and left all within 1 game day? I guess silver isn't needed.

[supple bear]

SIlver nodes are the easiest to gravity break in the game to be fair

You could probably easily mine 2-3 nodes a day

Yransporting it is a different story though

[summer fern]

I want other ores designed like silver, pretty please deep north.

Have iron shaped like that

Having pure iron ore somewhere in the game would be nice

[supple bear]

I mean on average crypts give like over 100 iron or even higher

Even though half the recipes use iron in this game unless you're spamming like iron beams you really dont really need that much of it

[summer fern]

I know but it isn't really that fun in my opinion, a late game place that has pure iron that is more fun to mine would be nice.

[supple bear]

You think mining is fun?

You sir are the target audience of this game

[summer fern]

Silver, copper, tin, and everything else is much more nice to get than iron.

[supple bear]

I mean you can technically mine iron in the mistlands if you want

its everywhere

Copper too

[summer fern]

I plan to look into that once I get there in my current playthough, but still would like a pure source.

[supple bear]

I would prefer they just stop adding recipes that take iron lol

Silver has been rotting in a corner for years

[summer fern]

Yea I did notice that silver seems largely to not be used much.

[whole violet]

Except for weapons

[supple bear]

The only uses outside of the mountain it has is making a whisplight and lox cape

[summer fern]

The scythe uses it too, but still silver isn't given nearly as much spotlight as other things, and like nothing in building.

Could be pretty to have stuff or decorations at least that use silver

I vote a upgraded ward too, maybe one that regenerates your structures super duper slowly.

[supple bear]

You know i did the math and surprisingly I actually need more silver than any other metal in the game. Simply because i fully upgrade frostner and the draugr fang

Iron: 260

Silver: 290

Black Metal: 200

Line Thread: 680

Refined eitr: 520

[snow aurora]

Mined 6 silver nodes, maxed mountain gear

[supple bear]

Frostner alone is 120 silver to fully upgrade lol

[whole violet]

Yeah but how much iron have you used for building and chests

[supple bear]

For chests? none. I use black metal chests.

[summer fern]

For me way more than 260 for building

[supple bear]

For building only enouugh for all the bench upgrades and a few stone cutters

[summer fern]

Well I mean more than 260 when combined with tools and such

[snow aurora]

The mountains is right beside my base, we used a cart lol

[whole violet]

Black metal chests 🤮

[supple bear]

though morgen caves seem to be a pretty decent source of iron bars in the ashlands

you only need 2 bars for the SC

[summer fern]

SC?

[supple bear]

stonecutter

[whole violet]

Stonecutter

[summer fern]

Ah

[supple bear]

yeah when you got ashlands bring a stonecutter lol

[summer fern]

Why? I have been there before

Oh portal?

[supple bear]

You need it to build the portal and to construct Gausten structures

i always make a little gausten hut for my portal so it doesnt burn after i land

[summer fern]

I hope the deep north gets some tar pits too, the constrast of black pools and white snow would be pretty, and I want more tar, and a way to renewably farm it in bulk.

[supple bear]

I have my predicitions on how the deep north is going to work, based on their design philosophies of mistlands and ashlands

However people dont like my prediction lol

[summer fern]

Better not be enemy spam, I still consider that a issue with the ashlands as it isn't a solution to make it challenging that is fun.

[supple bear]

My guy every biome in the game spams you with enemies

Thats like the foundation the devs use to build the house of "difficulty"

[lone rampart]

Well, I managed to find Hildir somehow 🤣 Not like I can track down her treasure chests though.

[supple bear]

I think they're going make deep north a permanent blizzard, similar to the mist in mistlands, and spam you with drakes and polar bears. The terrain is also going to be awful, so effectively its just going to be mistlands 2.0

I would love to be proven wrong though

[summer fern]

Not really, every biome up to and including mistlands keeps enemies to a okay level. The ashlands goes way too crazy, I personally think it needs a revamp as spam isn't a fun way to make something challenging, and the goal of a game is to be fun.

[supple bear]

Outside of the mines mistlands is one of the safer biomes tbh

They nerfed the spawn rates in mistlands so hard it almost feels dead in comparison to the PTR

[summer fern]

If that is what they do, I will very strongly vocalize my dislike for both it and the ashlands approach to difficulty.

[supple bear]

They arent going to fix ashlands, they wont even fix the audio bug lol. If the spam annoys you the only solution is to spam campfires to block spawns

[summer fern]

Then dvergr spawn and cause stuff to destroy campfires and such.

[supple bear]

Lucky you dont really spend too much time in ashland anyways. You only need like 2-3 fort clears to beat the biome

Also helps to know that fighting is a complete waste of time 90% of the time lol

[summer fern]

The mistlands from what I recall has a pretty nice level of spawning. You aren't constantly spammed, but if you find a threat it can be super dangerous

[supple bear]

Once you clear your initial beach area you should really just run past everything to forts

[summer fern]

Yea, that also hurts the biome a lot. I vote to make the enemies more quality over quantity.

[supple bear]

Youll run into a rare seeker soldier or gjall but unless you go near a skull or a dungeon/abandoned tower you're likely to just mostly see hares

We will see if they learned anything when deep north comes out. Ashlands itself however is considered a final product

Have they even dropped a speculated ptr date for deep north yet? Ashlands is like 2 years old now isnt it

[summer fern]

There is no reason for it to be considered a final product though. I dislike in games where a annoying decision is arbitrarily declared to be final making everyone have to deal with a completely unnecessary issue in the game.

[supple bear]

They wanted to do a lot of things different in ashlands but ran out of time

[summer fern]

Time, they are who decide the time though

[supple bear]

Plus they have the best community a developer could ever want who would understand completely

But there would still be 1 or 2 cry babies and thus....

[summer fern]

I hope after the deepnorth they really revamp the ashlands.

[supple bear]

google says second or third quarter of 2026. So still quite a while

[summer fern]

Or even before, keep adding minor tweaks 1 by 1 revamping it over time.

[supple bear]

Heavily specelated to be on the anniversary of the game o.O

Hey they are putting the game on playstation too

The joke has finally come full circle

[summer fern]

I just would be so disappointed in the devs if okay to say, if they declare the very bleh and rushly designed ashlands to be the final and don't ever fix it. Plus it also has the issue of there being a very small amount of resources in the entire map of the game. A group of just a few players could have issues of not actually being able to get gems for everyone and what they want.

Hope it is okay to let out my frustration, I had so much issues with that biome on my last playthrough

[supple bear]

No I get it but at the same time is it really reasonable to craft every version of every weapon. Especially considering that gear is going to fall off hard as soon as deep north hits

[summer fern]

I mean just a few players who might want to experiment a little and try new weapons at that tier.

[supple bear]

I wouldnt be surprised if the gems end up in the deep north loot pool somehow

Well you still have options to do that

[summer fern]

I vote for the next major updates to be:
Deep North
Ashlands 2.0

[supple bear]

You could just generate a new world just to raid forts. Your character and everything in your inventory goes with you

Or you could just use devcommands lol

[summer fern]

Eh to be honest to me that feels pretty similar to just cheating stuff in.

[supple bear]

To each their own. Im not above cheating to test things out myself

I have an entirely seperate character and world for that

I have been inspired to make another valheim crackhouse

back when the plains was the final biome I designed a 2x2 hut that literally had everything you need inside of it besides smelters/kilns lol. All bench upgrades and comfort items

[summer fern]

For my vision of ashlands 2.0:
Forts have a dungeon inside that allows more gems and a greater challenge.
Spawn spam is massively reduced, spawners get changed to a much more rare larger variant that acts like a mini boss to defeat but can be avoided, increases spawning in the area around itself by a lot.
While enemies are far rarer, they each might be bigger and stronger on top of dropping much more on death, starred variants might be more common.
Storms don't destroy ashwood trees.
Morgan holes are made bigger to the point of being almost mini dungeons.
More uses for Flametal and maybe a way for it to respawn/reemerge.
Rare massive mountainous volcanos that release a steady stream of blinding smoke.
Dvergr rogues only spawn in set zones around their bases, and around the mini-boss spawners.

Do you like my ideas? kind of got the urge to lay everything I could think of at the moment out.

Not sure it really requires any massive overhauls of mechanics I think. Volcanos would largely just be a terrain thing where it starts slowly rising massively to a point where it makes a little lava filled crater.

[runic pasture]

Im swedish

[supple bear]

I do think its funny they gave the dvergers zero self preservation. They are addicted to running into lava

[sand obsidian]

Pick and 2 mobs and any number between 0-500 for each and ill put them up against each other and record it for ya
They have to be from different biomes and not boss mobs

[forest jacinth]

1 neck 500 trolls

Blob theyre the same faction

500 giant friends

[tacit crystal]

There is iron ore: you need to catch some giant herring.

[forest jacinth]

Is it true a node of iron ore looks exactly like copper

[tacit crystal]

That I'm not sure.

[sand obsidian]

you just want 500 giants by themselves?

[runic pasture]

@grand crescent join vc again

[grand crescent]

Cant rn in like 1 hour

[runic pasture]

bruh

[open bolt]

Me and my partner finally tried to enter the Ashlands after much preparation, and after two hours of game, we are still not there 😅
One does not simply enter the Ashlands... 🌋🐉

We'll have to go with the strategy of building a few workbenches and portals on the rocks before the Ashlands.

[runic pasture]

lol

[open bolt]

😅

[paper marsh]

The dungeon forts are a pretty common suggestion and I’m all for it since I don’t expect the design of the forts themselves to improve

Volcanoes sound cool but no way that gets added

[paper marsh]

What’s holding you back?

[open bolt]

A lot of bonemaws and vultures getting in the way, damaging the boat. And a lot of rocks. We are now trying to see the best route with less rocks, so the boat can get to the shore.

[forest jacinth]

Vultures are scared of fire btw

Probably not that helpful but it could lighten the load

[open bolt]

I see... I guess we could use fire arrows, then. We only used frost arrows, because of the bonemaws.

[forest jacinth]

Actually realized holding a torch is probably not helpful lol

You need to shoot bonemaw

[open bolt]

I actually thought vultures would not be scared of fire, since they live in the Ashlands🔥🌋
😅

[forest jacinth]

Don't use fire arrows lol

[open bolt]

not even to kill the vultures?

[forest jacinth]

Theyre just afraid of fire not weak

[open bolt]

I see. Makes sense.
But wouldn't they get scared for example if they got on fire because of the arrows?

[forest jacinth]

I haven't reached the ashlands yet; just relaying stuff I've seen in challenge runs lol

[nocturne wolf]

Voltures can’t move while attacking. Moving away from them very slowly is all you need to not get hit.

[forest jacinth]

Don't they also run away if a player is looking at them or is it only their target

[nocturne wolf]

I don’t think any creatures do that

[forest jacinth]

Wiki says if the player is facing them they move away and try to get behind you

[paper marsh]

Yeah they try to reposition if you’re facing them, but they don’t really fly away to do it they just try to fly around you

They’ll only try to initiate an attack when you are not fully facing them I believe

[forest jacinth]

Ah ok my bad

[nocturne wolf]

I’ll look into this more later

[glossy heath]

even that seems like strangely overcomplicated behaviour for valheim's standards

betting it's just some unintentional side effect of attacks moving them over your hitbox or something

they seem to reposition after nearly every attack, regardless of which way you're facing

[cerulean nebula]

are there any vanila survival servers? like in minecraft where people doesn't grief each other and live in harmony

[heady parcel]

Yeah I figured. I think they were going for "gråsten", but since there's only like three languages in the world that use that letter, they went with "au" so everyone can type it..

[paper marsh]

There are, but it can be hard to find sometimes. It's difficult to know who to trust when you don't personally know them, and there's a good amount of people using mods

But if you wanna find one best bet is to check #1024264966712340510 , or put your own post in there to start a server

[runic pasture]

yea

[paper marsh]

Valheim is not a grief-proof game at all

[glossy heath]

yea i highly doubt there's any deliberate pattern here, it's probably just the same "attacks have a cooldown, while all attacks are on cooldown, wander around target." AI as everything else, just with a very short attack cooldown.
still curious for an actual look at the code

[gray sand]

Das a big crow.

[keen sierra]

Good morning!

i posted screenshot, you can check it out in mod screenshot! https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202934384643154001

[elfin turtle]

is it normal that all my furnaces stop working for a second, then go back to smelting?

same with my hot tub

[gray sand]

You aren't venting your smoke properly if I had to guess.

[elfin turtle]

ah

makes sense

[gray sand]

Why are outdoor smelters indoors? 😭

[keen sierra]

becasue we all make giant bases that houses almost everything lol

[gray sand]

We do not "all" do that 🤔

[keen sierra]

true, many of us do this.

[merry pebble]

And many do not 😄 its really just personal preference and both can look good

[keen sierra]

true

[keen sierra]

sometime i make non-base building for looking good and house portal.

well, can i put wood portal in ashlands because it's volcanoic biome.

[merry pebble]

You risk it being burned 🙂 but you can if you put some roof over it

[keen sierra]

Well, stone version of portal can stay in ashland without problem?

[merry pebble]

Yep 🙂

[short gale]

Should extend moders forsaken ability, five mins doesnt get u far sailing

[paper marsh]

I mean it's not meant to make you never worry abotu wind again

Just give you a boost if the wind happens to not be in your favor

[merry pebble]

It does get you pretty far when you actualy need it 🤔
And you can always plan your trips so wind blows the correct way 🙂

[lone rampart]

You say that but I swear the wind always shifts to blow in exactly the wrong direction as soon as you absolutely NEED to go a certain way

[merry pebble]

What i meant by planning is that you can look which way the wind will be blowing on each day 😄 since weather is predetermined for each day

[lone rampart]

Too much effort. We’ll get there by rowing if we have to!!

[merry pebble]

Same here, i dont really mind sailing at all. Its so nice and relaxing

[lone rampart]

Until I panic thinking I saw a sea serpent fin but it’s just a coral cod

I don’t know WHY they still scare me, I can kill them easily enough. But they do.

[short gale]

Its kinda dud of a forsaken power with 5 min then

[merry pebble]

If you wish to believe that is the case... Sure 😄

[light moat]

Definitely not, 5 minutes is honestly a meaty amount of time lol.
Especially back when Bonemass was OP

Oops, sorry! Didn’t read the context
But still, 5 minutes of Moder isn’t bad. Can come in handy.

[slate sedge]

Staff of Wilds is broken lmao, we skipped queen and went to Ashlands. Came back to kill her and it absolutely obliterated

Hardcore server also

[gray sand]

Magic is indeed broken.

[valid python]

They've already stated more than once DN will be much more calm than Ashlands with bursts of difficulty. (Really this is kinda how Mistlands are)

[vital wing]

hi all, are there some informations about the relase date of the northlands ?

[fading shore]

Not 2025 thats all

[vital wing]

:/ ok

[lone rampart]

There's only 10 days left of 2025, so that shouldn't come as a surprise to folks.

[solar plaza]

Eesh, I forgot how long it takes to fish any large amount of fish up for meads/foods.

[broken kraken]

fish mead

[solar plaza]

Yup, not quite finished yet, I still need 40 groupers to finish off the full batches I want done

[halcyon moat]

It would be nice if there was a dragon :((

[tacit crystal]

There are drakes and 2 bosses that are dragons. Not tamables tho and tamable dragons won't become a thing.

[halcyon moat]

😭

[sly rampart]

does any1 know an server from EU with some QOL mods and extra content (without lags)

[gray sand]

#1024264966712340510

[heady parcel]

Blue boys be so destructive

[gray sand]

They are better when they grow up and travel together.

🥁

||Blue Man Group||

[heady parcel]

Never liked to use trolls for mining, I prefer doing that myself, but I have found that recruiting them to demolish old tower ruins around the forest is both practical, efficient and entertaining

Bags full of stone, quickly!

[short gale]

Tar pit slobs r op f those

[paper marsh]

They got a loooot of damage yea

Very predictable attack patterns that can be sidestepped tho

Makes them very nice when you can summon them yourself with the bog witch vials, especially to apply fire weakness to enemies too

[short gale]

Ill have to look into those vials. I was able to block their attacks

[tacit crystal]

Hmm, I could imagine them being quite useful in infested mines then, especially if you use Ember staff.

[heady parcel]

They are pretty squishy though, I magine they'll die too fast to be of much use. And the tropphy is pretty rare after all

[paper marsh]

I mean, having them unload a barrage for decent damage then doubling your fire damage for (10 sec?) as well as I'm guessing slowing the enemy ain't nothing

Just don't put them right at the feet of the enemy where they'll die before getting a shot off

I imagine they will be awesome with a fully upgraded staff of fracturing in Deep North

[tacit crystal]

They resist pierce tho, which is useful against 2/3 of seeker attacks and all tick attacks.

Throwing them tactically in different spots can help too.

[heady parcel]

Yeah I think they can definitely be useful, it's just that to get enough growth trophies to have a useful supply of them will be the issue

[paper marsh]

I'm considering using them against soldiers. It takes me forever to kill those things

But with a growth either hitting it hard in its weakspot, or distracting it, it should be easier

I honestly might try and map out some tar pits in close proximity to run along every once in a while to get a few trophies

So I can have tar blobs if I encounter something particularly nasty

[heady parcel]

I have all tar pits I have encountered mapped out, can probably figure out an efficient sweep

Everything takes time in no-portals so "efficient" is relative 😄

[errant forge]

i accidentally put my axe in a catapult and it despawned when it landed, what do i do?

[fossil delta]

I would guess they don't want us to have a lot. Of course those who use dev commands will have all they want.

[paper marsh]

spawn a new one in using devcommands

[merry pebble]

Or just make a new one 😄

[paper marsh]

Or load a backup of your character from main menu

[fossil delta]

Use dev commands to spawn in a replacement or use mats to make a new one.

[errant forge]

has this happened to anyone else?

[warm nova]

Yall reccomend any fun seeds? starting over again, want something fun

[heady parcel]

I think the right question is has it NOT happened to anyone who has made a catapult?

[fossil delta]

I haven't even made a catapult, so no.

[paper marsh]

Hmm, never had it happen accidentally

Did it intentionally one time while messing around with devcommands because someone said that it deletes items you put in the catapult. Sounded funny so I wanted to try it

[tacit crystal]

With fully upgraded blackmetal pickaxe once during PTB. Fortunately I had lots of surplus blackmetal.

[fossil delta]

That is one wood I tend to have little of.

It's not needed for much.

[kindred remnant]

@fierce radish I love your mods ! 🙂

[gray sand]

#mods-discussion

[fierce radish]

Thank you so mutch 🙂

[jovial sleet]

The "boats" wiki page displays a long ship being faster than the drakkar, But the Drakkar page says it's twice as fast as the long ship...

Anybody know what's actually accurate?

[paper marsh]

Drakkar being twice as fast doesn't sound right

I haven't used it too much, but it's pretty hated on. I imagine its either slightly faster or slightly slower than longship

[gray sand]

Afaik ships get faster as they get bigger but have worse turning radii.

[jovial sleet]

The wiki pages are all screwed up.

I've noticed a lot of discrepancy between the "creatures" page stats, like resistances, and the actual individual pages for each enemy.

[gray sand]

Openly editable by anyone can lead to that.

[paper marsh]

They do miss some things and are a bit inconsistent, but overall I find them very useful

It's mostly the niche things that are unreliable

[jovial sleet]

Is frost good in the fire Nation?
I would think by common sense it is, but only a few things are listed as being weak.

[gray sand]

Frost what?

[paper marsh]

Pretty good yeah. Not bad against any enemy, but only does extra damage against a few

[gray sand]

Frost Arrows? Best in the game 4 biomes later for some illogical, unknowable balance reason.
Frost Staff? Fireball better until you get Wilds.
Frostner? Silver Sword and Mistwalker are both better.

[paper marsh]

Honestly though ashlands isn't super damage type dependent imo as long as you stay away from pierce

[glossy heath]

-# subjective

[gray sand]

🤔

[paper marsh]

And stay away from poison I suppose, mostly because poison lacks a lot

[paper marsh]

I'd agree with the list apart from frost staff. Frost staff is pretty good

And ofc frostner can still be a valid choice if you like frost and have high club skill but low sword skill

[gray sand]

Fireball staff is better in terms of aoe dps and accuracy.

[paper marsh]

yeah

[gray sand]

If frost staff gained accuracy with skill level, I would exclusively be a frost mage.

[paper marsh]

Frost staff is better for slowing enemies and building adrenaline

Not sure what the exact dps diff is between them, of course depends on the specific mob

I will say I hate how inconsistent upgrades are. Like it looks like frost staff gets a lot of benefit from upgrades, fireballs not as much

[gray sand]

Frost staff being random spread is why I can't use it.

[paper marsh]

Not much of an issue for me, but I also don't tend to play at medium/long-range much

[gray sand]

Winter WAS typing 😭

[glossy heath]

just the usual frostner arguments - reliability and survivability are where it shines. rarely the best for a job, but more consistently decent than anything else

[gray sand]

Mistwalker is just Frostner 2.0 though 🤔

[glossy heath]

and you get it more than 2 biomes after frostner
-# edit: why did i say "more", it's 2 biomes

which also means it costs more stamina

[heady parcel]

It is also a sword, and gets a substantial buff to its regular damage with upgrades, while Frostner sits at 35 blunt to lvl 4

Mistwalker eats Frostner for breakfast 🙂

Frostner being downright terrible in the very biome you get it has always struck me as weird

[paper marsh]

Also up to how many resources you wanna spend. If you already have a frostnrr and club skill it might not be worth to you to make a mistwalker and grind sword skill

[gray sand]

@glossy heath if they fix one-handed swords being bugged and not having MtP, I will agree it is preference.

But as it currently stands, swords are just objectively better... 😭

[glossy heath]

that was true until frost caves, and it's not bad against wolves either.

[paper marsh]

Similar logic I follow when trying to decide if I want to spend over a hundred silver on a sword or mace with generally worse damage than likr a 10 silver spear