valheim-chat

[west pulsar]

Oh well take your time

Have fun with the game

[peak vessel]

thx

[west pulsar]

No right way to play

[glad night]

Sure there is. The right way to play is having fun

[west pulsar]

😭

[peak vessel]

im a little scared moving around

my spawn is like all around a cliff

i dont want to climb that ngl

i dont even have pants xd

[wintry valve]

hunt a bunch of deers and make yourself some, then

every little bit of armor helps in this game

[west pulsar]

Just keep in mind dying is a part of the game

It happens especially at first

[quiet robin]

Watch out for that TREE! 😛 poor George. 😛

[peak vessel]

THE TREES CAN KILL ME????

🥀

[quiet robin]

ayup! and other stuff. kind of a minigame trying to drop trees on greylings, deer, etc. (pine trees work on the dorfs in the black forest too. logrolling for fun and profit) 😄

[peak vessel]

and i have a question guys, if i do like walls and a trench how do i exit and enter the base?

i can exit with stair

[gray sand]

Wait until you've killed her with the power of radiation 😉

[peak vessel]

but how do i get back inside

[gray sand]

Trees remain my #1 cause of death.

[quiet robin]

make a bridge 3 blocks worth usually, (wood then stone) and take out the middle block. then you just jump over the 1 block gap. (that's what I do for moats)

[gray sand]

I would recommend a good door.

[gray sand]

Discord shifting your reply moment. 😉

[quiet robin]

mumble....

[gray sand]

I remember mumble... and teamspeak...

[quiet robin]

teamspeak. oh I remember that. (raiding in WoW wayyyyy back)

[west pulsar]

Tree kill count still unrivaled i fear

[quiet robin]

I don't think trees have gotten me more than a couple of times. (dedded I mean. smacked about, oh yeah)

2 star draugr archers now.... those smart! (until you get iron shield/armor) 😄

[vagrant valve]

Please, can someone tell me if the Bears respawn, cause I meet them on every corner in Black forest. Seems like I haven't killed 12 of them already 😏

[gray sand]

Everything respawns?

Other than stuff in dungeons.

[vagrant valve]

Bears in general is what I meet all the time, can't progress much in black forest sadly 😏

[gray sand]

World is populated with invisible enemy spawn objects.
Only way to remove them is by using devcommands.

[gray sand]

If you carry a torch they will leave you alone.

[vagrant valve]

Im my opinion, they shouldn't respawn. Cause it's just too difficult

[quiet robin]

bears are a nuisance. Now a bear and a troll at the same time... 😛 (I've take to taking 2 stacks of fire arrows into the forest. The above ground burials are labeled "burial good" meaning I can hop up and take out bears safely) 😄

[gray sand]

That is a fair opinion, but many people would find the world boring if you could permanently clear enemies out.

[quiet robin]

they leave you alone once they're a rug too. 😛

[gray sand]

True. Pre-buckler they can be rough though.

Post-buckler they become an excellent food souce.

[vagrant valve]

You say I should make rug of them 😀

[quiet robin]

finewood bow. LOTS of fire arrows. He'll die. (and good archery skilling practice) 😄

[gray sand]

Not until you've made the hat though.

Archery is largely a crutch in this game.

[quiet robin]

you can. just need the bear trophy. Haldor has the bear rug. (that you can take apart too) 😄

[gray sand]

First trophy should go to the hat though.

[vagrant valve]

No trophy from a bear for me yet 😭

[quiet robin]

no. rug. I go heavy armor. me tanky. up close, smash in face. take shinies. 😄

[gray sand]

I too wear heavy armor.
But I still build one of each set for the showroom 😉

[quiet robin]

(I did make the bear set just to try. Looks great. Not my play style tho)

[vagrant valve]

I do kill them, but they also kill me, and after that it's just so much grinding 😅

[quiet robin]

I play modded, and epicloot has dropped magic versions of the whole set except the loincloth so far. (hee-hee)

[gray sand]

Ew.

[gray sand]

They could unofficially rename the game to Grindheim and no one would bat an eye.
Welcome to the community 💛

[quiet robin]

I've got over 3k hrs in the game, beaten it vanilla several times. sooo.... (and there are few things that really are nicer with mods. (farming/fishing and bigger storage. I loathe inventory micromanagement) 😛

[gray sand]

🤢

[vagrant valve]

I'm actually training myself so I can join some interesting and active server (map, group) 😁

[quiet robin]

was about the 3rd or 4th world, got 1,000 barley planted without a single one doing the 'needs more room'. I'd just give myself 1k every 4 days via devcommands. was NOT gonna try planting like that again! 🙂

btw, some of the mods actually show off some of the cooler aspects of the game. Like the physics. A Mjolinir Demolisher squirts out goblins like a kid squirting watermelon seeds. 😄

[gray sand]

🤮

Also this is crossing into #mods-discussion

[vagrant valve]

I'm not on mod level yet

[quiet robin]

Actually, just a regular demolisher bops the gobbos pretty well. (frostner too)

Shaman really fly a long way when hit with a big club. 😄

(frostner is good for a very long time. until the good maces in ashlands actually)

[quiet robin]

finish the game at least once without mods is always my recommendation.

[vagrant valve]

Also, on map (where I'm atm) in some spots borders with Mountain. Is that usual or not?

[quiet robin]

normal.

current playthough (server 32) I've got plains projecting tnto the swam rather close to the bonemass location. ummmm....

[vagrant valve]

Phew... Feeling better now. I'm not gonna mention that wolfs killme as well, without any might in me to kill them 😂

[quiet robin]

lol. early on, we were trying to mine copper a bit too close to the mountain. wolves had themselves some nice snacks that day. .... us

we had lots of "note to self: don't do _______!" 😄

[vagrant valve]

I'm about a year away from finishing the game, with this paste 😔

[vagrant valve]

I got attacked by bear and wolf at the same time.bear won and I got myself wilf skin and meat 🍖🍗🤣

[quiet robin]

luring groups to attack each other is always hilarious. 🙂

draugr village next to a goblin village. hee-hee. hilarity!

[vocal plume]

Did anyone have trouble getting to the ashlands? Or is it just me, those dang spire things that come outof the water are a pain, the serpents and voultures wreck the boat, even with moder it's a pain 😭

2 attempts and have not made landfall yet

[gray sand]

The spires serve no purpose and I genuinely do not know why there were added.

[vocal plume]

cool for ambiance, but with how slow the boat turns they are a major obstacle

especially sailing solo

[gray sand]

I don't even find them good for ambience. The water does that enough.

[vocal plume]

so you can't mine them or anything? truly just useless?

[gray sand]

Water temp should just have been cranked up so other boats cannot make the sail and the spires shouldn't be there. Imo 🤷‍♂️

[gray sand]

If you do, iirc they just give normal stone.

Their main purpose right now is just allowing you to reach the Ashlands without needing to kill Queen.

[vocal plume]

Oh? what do you just jump between them?

[tacit crystal]

They drop also grausten IIRC.

[gray sand]

Sail and if you need to repair the longboat just hop out and build a bench on a spire.

I still hold that the Drakkar should be necessary to get there, but that is just me 🤷‍♂️

[wintry valve]

The ashland spires in the water serves a purpose of dissuading players of just rushing in with a longboat

[lone rampart]

They serve a purpose of setting the scene, as well. You might as well ask why bother with different trees in each biome.

[ebon oyster]

I am tackling a charred fortress that is absolutely over run with jerks. They are coming back faster than my fireballs can kill them.

I think i need to try a new approach because I am dying left and right. I need to take out the spawners. Get the high ground and lob some fireballs in there...

I've never had this level of issues with a charred fortress, either. Usually I can rush and blast the spawners. Now, I am even getting valkyries spawning out around there. 🙁

[gray sand]

Water does that. Could have gone the route of having parts of it literally be on fire if you needed more scene.

[gray sand]

Did you break the door or the wall?

[ebon oyster]

Nope

[gray sand]

You broke nothing?

[ebon oyster]

I build stairs and grausten platforms along the wall

[gray sand]

Yeah...

[ebon oyster]

I never break down the wall or door because I use it as an impenetrable base after I take it over

[gray sand]

Break the wall. There are built-in down-hanging spikes that damage anything trying to pass through. Which makes thinning the herd out much easier.

[ebon oyster]

I think i am going to build a little tower next to it to get height and then blast the spawners

[quiet robin]

I tend to build the stairs up to the top of the wall, then hop over and down inside. Then kill everything. (oh, fireballs to the warlock on the top of the middle tower if there's one up there. (he's annoying)

same reason, I like the fortresses as a nice temp base. 🙂

heh, last game there was a dwarf rogue inside the fortress. dunno how he got there!

[ebon oyster]

I accidentally aggro'd a dwarf rogue. Felt horrible about it.

I think i messed around outside too much now to the point where so many charred have spawned. I went in over the wall and immediately died lol. Horrible.

[gray sand]

😄 I kill them on sight.
Unless you have trade goods to offer me or are a helpful raven, I will be the only living thing left in the realm when I depart.

[teal anchor]

do you guys ever move bases to another biome or do you keep using the area you built your first base at

sounds like a lot to move all the metals

[wintry valve]

I moved like 4 time in my current game

5 times even

[merry pebble]

I do stay at my first base, at most making few little outposts here and there if i need it. 🙂

[midnight hornet]

I tend to have one house in all biomes just to store the metals/unique from that perticular biome to not having to travel long distances with it 🙂

[gray sand]

Mountain = main base.
Plains and Mistlands = Farming outposts.

[wintry valve]

My main base is in the ashlands, but right now I am in my Vinny Training Arc and I am using my plains base for everything

[nocturne sage]

Fader down, 4th run done. Now for the valheim reset and wait for DN, see you then gamers 🫡

[fossil delta]

My main base is in the Meadows, but I make smaller bases as needed for smelting and crafting as well as farming the crops that need specific biomes to grow in. So my main base is primarily for repairs, making foods, and sleeping.

[lone rampart]

My stone circle was conveniently close to shore, so my main base is a village centered on that, with shops and docks and farms scattered within the walls instead of a single large structure

[grizzled nest]

Main base was at meadows till i got to the plains and basically improved what my old base lacked still use the old base as a portal hub, garden and storage space if needed

[gray sand]

😂 So fun thing with Bukeperries:

The vomit impulse is tied to the moving direction of your character.
So if you jump it shoots up into the air and arcs 😄

[dark coyote]

I did the main base/portal hub and then satellite bases for production. So my first meadows base I went back and made it farm/food production. Bronze is in the meadows bordering BF and has a boat dock So you can technically get away with one forge base if you dont mind boating other metals.

[wintry valve]

In which direction does it goes if I talk to you about frostner?

[gray sand]

😁

[vocal plume]

I use my main meadows base mostly. I have a small plains outpost for flax and barley. And a small little farm plot in the mistlands for farming those foods.

[vocal plume]

I want to build a mountain base cause I think that would be cool, or a swamp base

but harder to just derp around on honey and boar jerky there lmfao

[wintry valve]

make wolf jerky instead

[vocal plume]

I just started raising wolves actually figured it was time, and it's way simpler than making fish wraps

[wintry valve]

Ill be honest with you. Even if you didnt raise wolves, just spending some time in the mountain will give you all the wolf meat you will ever need

[distant girder]

can i post a gif in the screenshots channel? i'm crying laughing

i use gyazo for gifs, idk if it will embed?

[wintry valve]

its probably fine

[distant girder]

we have a permanently levitating cart

[wintry valve]

maybe post it in clips?

[gray sand]

Mountain bases are de wae.
But the best build I have ever seen was a Swamp build that was constructed around the Bonemass altar.

[dark coyote]

I disagree, between skewers and jerky I was farming way more than any other biome, thankfully mountains is mostly skippable

[gray sand]

Skewers and jerky is why.

[wintry valve]

Well I mean, after you get Hunted a few times, you might change your opinion on that

[vocal plume]

That sounds pretty awesome, I love the vibe in the swamp but traversing it can be a pain without a lot of leveling and raising the ground

I love the treehouse builds I've seen

[gray sand]

If you want HHS in Mountain you run Skewer + Sausage + Eyescream.

[vocal plume]

See now I never have enough items to ever really use Eyescream

sausages I have a lot

[dark coyote]

no I always do one of each

[gray sand]

Not a treehouse person, personally. But the darkness and green vibe is 🤘

[wintry valve]

Why are you screaming?

[gray sand]

?

[gray sand]

I listed 3 things that would be 1 of each.
If you're dropped Sausage for Jerky you're just a) choosing to burn through wolf meat faster and b) choosing to have less stats 🤷‍♂️

[wintry valve]

it was a pun

[gray sand]

Ah.

[wintry valve]

eyescream, I scream

Right now, for food, im running on bear meat, sausig, and wolf jerky

[dark coyote]

I don't do sausage, ill probably do what you suggested on this run but just continue to use black soup for red

[gray sand]

Particular reason or ?

Sausage is one of the easiest mass-production health foods in the game.

[wintry valve]

me?

[dark coyote]

yeah, like I said its too much farming wolves

[gray sand]

What do wolves have to do with sausage though?

[wintry valve]

sausage is zombie/boar/spice

[gray sand]

Entrails + Boar + Thistle

[wintry valve]

what I said

[gray sand]

Ye, just translating.

The sole thing wolf meat should be used in is Skewers. Which is why you "don't need that much" usually.

[dark coyote]

black soup is easier, and my boar meat is already boar jerky

[gray sand]

Both of the jerkies suck though 😭 Like I wish they were better but they just aren't.

[dark coyote]

so for mountain ill probably just do black soup, wolf skewers, onion soup

[gray sand]

Onion Soup vs. Turnip Stew is a fun debate tbh.

2 hp and 5 stamina vs. 5 more minutes and higher regen.

[dark coyote]

I decided very early that I was going to make the easiest food possible, and that has made my playthrough far more enjoyable, no need to min/max every biome imo

[wintry valve]

I wish there were more jerkies

bear jerky pls

[gray sand]

I think they thought about adding more because balanced food stats has its place, but instead they went with making Feasts.

Bear and Lox jerkies would be easy additions if they wanted more though.

[wintry valve]

I dont really care about "balanced foods" because you can you use health + stam foods and it does pretty much the same things. I just want uses for earlier meats.

[dark coyote]

so boar jerky is technically BF because you need the cauldron

[gray sand]

You individually not caring is valid.
But for the designers, they have to consider it.

[distant girder]

anyone else ever have a glitched flying cart?

[gray sand]

I've never had a normal flying cart so it would be hard for me to have a glitched one.

[distant girder]

lmao
i mean i'm assuming it's a glitch, it's a normal cart

[wintry valve]

I mean I really dont think it matters much in the grand scope of the game

[gray sand]

Every decision of what to add, remove, or change matters in the scope of the game 🤷‍♂️

[distant girder]

looks at a carrot and sweats

[solemn dune]

found a combat ruin but it didn't have the wooden mace q_q

[wintry valve]

ah yes, you never know when a carrot will bite you

[gray sand]

Remembers that one glorious patch where Boars ate exclusively carrots.

[wintry valve]

I wonder why shields only go up to level 3

[gray sand]

I wonder why the advancement of shields between tiers makes no logical sense 😭

[wintry valve]

Well, in a sense, you cannot recreate all shape of weapons or tools with every materials. For instance, bronze swords were historically short because they had to be thicker to stay straight.

[dark coyote]

im glad this game doesnt do the "copper age" too, because thats not real

[gray sand]

Oh I am speaking about the block armor amounts 😄

[wintry valve]

huh... well I cannot say I know better as if I was there then, but wikipedia seems to have an article about Chalcolithic, or copper age

which is said to precede the bronze age

[wintry valve]

explain

[dark coyote]

yeah pure copper is super rare in nature, its usually found with arsenic, which produces bronze

[gray sand]

Wood Shield
+18 = non-existent Bronze
+18 = Iron
+18 = Silver
+18 = Blackmetal
+18 = Carapace
+18 = Flametal
^ MAKES SENSE *

Wood Tower Shield
+22 = Bone
+20 = Iron??
+22 = non-existent Silver
+30 = Blackmetal??
+22 = non-existent Carapace
+14 = Flametal??
^ Makes no sense ^

Bronze Buckler
+12 = Iron
+12 = non-existent Silver
+12 = non-existent Blackmetal
+26 = Carapace??
^ Makes even less sense. ^

Basic shields have an understandable progression.
Bucklers and Tower Shields are just "we threw darts at a board and wrote the numbers down"...

[wintry valve]

why are you saying +22 for bone?

NVM

disregard what I just said immediately

[gray sand]

👍

[wintry valve]

Honestly I wouldnt worry too much about that. These are relatively small discrepancies. They were likely balanced with the amount of damage the mobs around were doing or something.

You know what, I dont know

[gray sand]

If you don't want to worry about them, that is your prerogative and it is valid.

But the numbers behind things are something the game designer who is in charge of shields should be worried about. Like it should be one of the primary things they are worried about because looks/modeling is someone else's department. 🤷‍♂️

[vernal karma]

yeah, silver is fantastic. iron buckler is useful for parrying only a tiny portion of the game, and just for parrying.

it's why i'll probably never make an iron buckler

[gray sand]

Parrying is the superior way to block.
And that's not even a debatable point now that they made it free for some reason.

[wintry valve]

I find that blocking is also free

Tower shields are for crowd control mostly. They push enemies further, which helps separating large groups

[gray sand]

If we say both are free, the one that has higher blocking potential and also stuns your enemy for higher damage potential just wins.

[wintry valve]

And the other pushes enemies further more and doesnt require any timing. Its a different shield for different usages.

[dark coyote]

yeah you can't beat stun + 2x dmg

[wintry valve]

Why is it that sometime fulings dont see me when I run toward them while they are facing me?

[dark coyote]

prolly just fuling around 😎

[gray sand]

Tower vs. Buckler I agree is a playstyle thing.
But normal shields are, to me, either you haven't figured out the timing on parries or you aren't ready to fully commit to towers.

[wintry valve]

I see them as a compromise

I used to think that medium shields staggered more

Until someone pointed me that its just not how it work.

[quiet robin]

takes practice, but parry is very nice.

btw, fulings, draugr, dorfs, get stupid. run at you then "oops, left the stove on" and just runaway totally ignoring you. (then get to a point, walk then "oh! look!" and charge again. sigh.

[vernal karma]

ofcourse, but you won't hit every parry, and silver shield is better at parrying.

[gray sand]

Why won't I hit every parry?

[vernal karma]

and sometimes you're in a bad situation where you need to utilize the block as well.

[steady rose]

Practice parry in god mode if you want to get really good at it

[paper marsh]

because

Blobs cant be parried

[gray sand]

The one valid response 😄

[coarse gust]

Busy trying to pick that stubborn piece of earwax out. (Its actually a tick)

[fresh scroll]

does the 100% eitr regen on the queen ability actually work? I don't notice a difference

[chrome badge]

My understanding is that they also balance in tandem with food and stamina progression. They need to serve their purpose of being able to block the enemies they align with progression wise, but anything beyond the upgrade they receive alongside the food upgrades could prove to make them so strong that you would so rarely experience stamina loss/getting staggered/etc.

To me those numbers look like things were rigorously tested against enemies, and tweaked to achieve the intended feel. Shields being the neutral control in the testing.

[nocturne wolf]

It does work but with rested and mage armor your eitr regen will already be over 100% so it won't double your eitr regen.

[dapper abyss]

Just found my first silver, WOOOO!

[dapper abyss]

If I build a mountain base, will Drakes mess it up?

[tribal trench]

mmmmm well... you could build workbenches and have them tucked away enough to avoid spawns

[steel mica]

Imagine if it stacks

Oh boi we be lobbin fireballs non-stop

[wintry valve]

If it works anything like stamina, eitr regen bonuses only kicks in if you let it regen. Casting stuff stops eitr recovery for a second or two.

[full mesa]

if i spawned 100 crows how would i get rid of them

asking for a friend

[merry pebble]

Try forecedelete 100 <crow ID>

[nocturne wolf]

isn't there a remove birds command?

[merry pebble]

Hmm, dont know, maybe

Ah, yeah there is!

@full mesa try removebirds

[vernal karma]

seagulls or hugin/munin?

[coarse gust]

tbh i think the upgrades and item progressions are in some cases too regular
they are so regular that the difference in damage between a black metal sword and a black metal atgeir is the same as the difference between the bronze variants. 10 points of damage.
10 damage is huge when your baseline is 35, not so much when its 95
you could say they are balanced in other ways later in the game... but i dont see it.

[west pulsar]

Agreed

Atgeirs have crazy stun though

So i can atgue the stun difference is why they're okay

But i agree spears and atgeirs fall off i find the mistlands one is decent but i still prefer not having it because i hate not having a shield

Imo opinion the game baits you to use axes then you find out they're useless

Baits you to use atgeirs and spears

Later they're useless so you use swords

The game tried to get you to use all the weapons

[coarse gust]

dont forget that either clubs or bows with frost arrows is nearly mandatory to get past bonemass
mf regened faster than i could beat it down first time i tried with an atgeir on my first playthrough

[remote shale]

yokoso

[west pulsar]

What

Bonemass its legitimately super easy

[remote shale]

bone mass with club ez clap

[west pulsar]

Mace

Just like dont use pierce 💀

[remote shale]

fr

[glad night]

Stamina regens even when using it, if you have high enough regen

[west pulsar]

Mace poison resist and bonemass is Easy

[remote shale]

haha in my first playtrough i beatet him with a sword and didnt realize how easy it is to play with blunt weapons against him

[coarse gust]

think i knew that in 2021? lmao

[nocturne wolf]

Can you give an example of where it does?

[west pulsar]

I haven't played that long but i always paid attention to damage types

Swamp just uses blunt weakness a lot

The first boss i struggled with was moder and that had more to do with the fact it flies than anything else the boss feels janky

[glad night]

Running with eikthyr and corpse run.
At least by the description given, eikthyr is a reduction in stamina drain, and corpse run increases the regen. Which reaches a net positive even when running

[west pulsar]

Eikthyr+ corpe run is literally like turning into endurance man

It's some stupid amount

[glad night]

It’s lovely lol

[west pulsar]

Then your skill stakes too

You usually end up with like 10% stam usage or something like that

[coarse gust]

i was much too in love with mobbing greydwarfs about with the atgeir secondary attack to even consider switching it up

[west pulsar]

I didnt use one until i played through again

My first run was swords and maces all the way

[nocturne wolf]

That's not because of high stamina regen, that's just 0 stamina cost for running
Corpse run reduces run stamina by 75% and eikthyr reduces it by 60%

[west pulsar]

Oh its 75?

I thought it was 60

What's the stam reduction on the run skill

[glad night]

Hmm, I didn’t recall reading that in the description of corpse run 🤔

Just the increase to stamina regen

[nocturne wolf]

When you spend any stamina it starts a delay for stamina regeneration so if your run stamina was any more than 0% it wouldn't regenerate

it doesn't increase stamina regen

[glad night]

Well darn, lol

[wintry valve]

Really? I never noticed. Will have to test later.

[west pulsar]

Is fire sword lightning mace and poison axes a valid melee weapon lineup

[glad night]

Apparently I was mistaken

[glad night]

I could have sworn I’d read “+x% stamina regen” at some point… le sigh, oh well

[wintry valve]

Well im still gon check it out for myself. Im not one to pass a reason to play more valheim.

[west pulsar]

I have a question

Do skills show on the weapon stats you hold like if i hold a sword and it shows the damage is that before or after my skill is added

[glad night]

The number in brackets, or yellow, is the number after skills

[west pulsar]

Is that not just the range?

[glad night]

It’s the range after affected by your skill. If you watch the same sword as your skill grows, you’ll see that number change

[west pulsar]

So the orange part is always the same though?

[merry pebble]

Yes, that is the dmg if skills are at 100 iirc

[west pulsar]

Is that the max?

Gotcha

[foggy glacier]

Even at 100 skill, there’s still a damage range. The weapon’s number is the max damage you could get

[glad night]

Which I find strange, as the blocking operates different lol.
A shields block will go higher than the number listed due to skills, but a weapon will only go up to it

[foggy glacier]

Yeah, it’s a bit strange that the two areopposite

[wintry valve]

I confirm that when stamina is currently being spent, it does not regen.

I assume its the same for eitr.

[west pulsar]

Bolts

[rugged bridge]

It is lol

[west pulsar]

Sneak crossbows hit like a nuke

[rugged bridge]

If you could regen stamina/eitr while actively using it, that would be far too overpowered

Turning into an everlasting whirlwind with atgeir or infinite fireball cannon with a staff

[gray sand]

Even at 100 skill your damage is a range.

[merry pebble]

I am aware and RudeMann already stated that 😄

[gray sand]

I don't read people with numbers in their names

[wintry valve]

why am I even using bear meat when I have so much lox meat around?

[lone rampart]

I am a bad hunter but the lack of bear recipes makes me just leave it on the ground half the time

[tacit crystal]

That might change when 1.0 update hits.

[lone rampart]

Then I'll start hunting bears again 😹

Right now my butcher shop is full of lox, bunny, and chicken

[paper marsh]

Can basically do that already. Atgeir go brrrrrrrr and ruins balance

[tired knot]

does anyone know when the in-game season starts when you can start putting down yule decorations?

[lone rampart]

No but that reminds me my witch's house needs jack o'turnips before they're gone

dives in

[tired knot]

pretty sure you cant put those down anymore 😬

[lone rampart]

NOOOO!! 😭

[tacit crystal]

Bit late, I think 7th day was the last day for spooky time.

[lone rampart]

Well then I'll just have to wait for next year. Darn!

At least I have my hat.

[tacit crystal]

Or, just ||enable console commands and use nocost command||.

[lone rampart]

Do dvergr pole lanterns block spawns?

[tacit crystal]

According to wiki, no.
https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Player_base

[lone rampart]

Thank you

That's a shame, they make the town look way better than torches everywhere

[tacit crystal]

Inside base or?

You can set some campfires and bury them a bit, but not fully or they break.

It doesn't require to be lit to spawn proof.

[lone rampart]

Well...."base" is a bit of a stretch. It's a whole village. Tavern, shops, houses. I can get creative with the deco and include things on this list

[peak vessel]

guys im getting bully in black forest any tip

[polar osprey]

Don't go out at night

[gray sand]

Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.

[tacit crystal]

What is the bully, blue big guy, bear or tree people?

[polar osprey]

Kill them all with fire.

Campfires are best offensive weapon early game IMO.

[peak vessel]

blue big guy,bear and skeletor

[peak vessel]

wait thats a good strat

brb

[polar osprey]

You can even put them down in burial chambers.

Just don't smoke yourself out.

[tacit crystal]

Pierce weapons are effective against trolls, so bow strat or spear/atgeir. Blunt weapons for skeletons for same reason, so club/mace. Slash weapons for bear, as they resist both pierce and blunt.

And bears avoid fire, so holding torch or being near campfire helps avoid them.

[gray sand]

Bears will leave you alone if you carry a torch.

[polar osprey]

Fire doesn't discriminate it kills all 🙂

[gray sand]

Except surtlings.
And Yagluth 😂

Lightning kills all 😏

Got my carapace armor 💪

[polar osprey]

ya but Yag and surtlings are past Black Forest lol

[wintry valve]

Bears will also leave you alone if you kill them

[merry pebble]

Most enemies tend to do that, yep. 😄

[orchid locust]

they also do that if you close the game

[full mesa]

is there actually anything in the deep north at all

[gray sand]

Land that is waiting to be updated.

Here's a curiosity: do we know why battleaxes have more block armor than their equivalent 2-handed swords?

[merry pebble]

Not yet, no 🙂

[full mesa]

i seen a video of someone making the area that their hoe makes flattened bigger

how does one do that exactly

[merry pebble]

Like the area affected by the "flatten" function is bigger than normal?

[full mesa]

yes

[merry pebble]

Then no way to do that in vanilla, most likely they are using mods

[full mesa]

shucks

[gray sand]

People really should declare what mods they are using when they make videos.

@merry pebble I need halp 😭

[nocturne wolf]

There's a fish which is needed for the fishing hat

[merry pebble]

How can i help?

[gray sand]

I'm almost done with the outline for my trinket suggestion writeup but I have no idea what to do with Evasion Mantle 😭

Like I want to make it specific to dodge, but how do I bring dodge up to par with parrying without breaking dodge...

[merry pebble]

Eeeeh... What? 😅

[gray sand]

You know what it currently does, yes?

[merry pebble]

Brain slow, simple words please xD

Yes i do

-50% Block stamina usage
+50% Parry bonus
+20 Dodge skill

[tacit crystal]

Trinket go brrr when activate.

[merry pebble]

I do get that part 😄

[gray sand]

Ok well the block half of it doesn't really fit the name evasion imo.
And ++skill is being handled elsewhere in my suggestion so that gets removed as well.
So it's kind of... what can I make this do, specific to dodge, that doesn't make the trinket useless.

[nocturne wolf]

increased dodge speed, less iframes but you're not stuck rolling for as long

[gray sand]

I would rather see a block-specific trinket and a dodge-specific one than have them both smashed into the same proc.

[merry pebble]

Could also increase movements speed or lower stamina drain for running/dodging temprorarily

Wrong reply, sorry

[gray sand]

Nimble already has the movespeed proc though.

[merry pebble]

Still could lower the stamina drain tho

[gray sand]

Lower drain or increase amount refunded?

[nocturne wolf]

That's the same as increasing dodge skill

all it does is reduce dodge stamina

[merry pebble]

Ah, didnt play with this trinket much and also didnt really pay attention to the skill xD

[gray sand]

Could go the "unrealistic but fun" route of making it so after you proc it you have a 30s window where perfect dodging staggers people 😉

[nocturne wolf]

unrealistic but fun is always ok

[merry pebble]

Heh, they are stunned by your performance, similar to parrying projectiles xD

[gray sand]

No, I hate that blocking ARROWS staggers people 😂😂

[nocturne wolf]

Why should parrying a ranged attack be less rewarding?

[gray sand]

But it does fit the name of Evasion Mantle. 😁

[wintry valve]

I do not like the evasion skill

[gray sand]

Unrealistic.

Ok that solves that one.
The only true outlier in my proposal is the aquaman bracers. Because I'm not touching it.

[wintry valve]

Parrying arrows is the dumbest thing this game does and sometime I do wish we couldnt do it. At the same time, when I figured out we could do it, it was the funniest thing ever.

[gray sand]

Now just need to assign adrenaline values to the upgrade effects and can type it up.

[nocturne wolf]

10x damage, stagger and knockback when attacking in water (the player is using their fists anyway)

[merry pebble]

Ah, yes, playing a dead viking capable of shooting firebals out of a long stick if they eat some strange tree juice, peak of realism xD
||-# Just jk ofc :D||

[gray sand]

No like. I don't want to touch it. I think the bracers are perfect as the are and don't need to be upgradeable.

[wintry valve]

Ill give you one more unrealism. I put 41 bread buns in my oven, and now I have 44 bread loaves.

Im Jesus or something.

[nocturne wolf]

necks aren't realistic but valheim needs them

[gray sand]

Vinny | JesusBoy

[merry pebble]

Mods do mod things 😄
-# Unless you are using lag to put that much in

[wintry valve]

mods?

[nocturne wolf]

Cooking skill?

[tacit crystal]

He meant the extras.

[wintry valve]

Yeah its my cooking skill doing its work

[nocturne wolf]

cooking skill

[merry pebble]

Well, how else do you put 41 breads in one oven? I am not really concerned about the extras coming from the skill now.

[wintry valve]

With patience

I didnt put them all in at the same time

[gray sand]

You're saying you don't have 10 ovens so you can cook 40 at a time? 😉

[wintry valve]

Another unrealism.
It takes 240 pounds of iron to make a 2 pounds iron sword

No I just put one oven. I dont use it often enough for me to bother making more. I wouldnt know where to fit them.

[oak river]

We are very bad at forging we ruin 298 pounds of the iron

[wintry valve]

worst. smith. ever.

[merry pebble]

While unrealistic iirc the explanation was that you trade lots of materials for not having to use any for repairs. Ever. 🙂

[gray sand]

I do think you will like what I did with Jormundling and Brimstone 😁

[merry pebble]

Those i didnt use at all i think xD
At least in normal playthrough

[gray sand]

That would be why I changed them 😂

[merry pebble]

Its not because they are bad 😄 but because i didnt play much at all

[gray sand]

Brimstone is just objectively bad.

[merry pebble]

Well, the adrenalin needed is bit too much, i will say that, but appart from that i wuld say its fine

Not great, but certainly not bad

[gray sand]

Ok maybe you WON'T like what I did then 😭😭

[merry pebble]

Tbh, as i didnt really get to play with it properly, i dont think i will care much 🙂

[gray sand]

Do you like the elemental weapons?

[merry pebble]

I do, but i also like the non elemental 😄

[gray sand]

Well, I have Jorm being specific to blood magic and Brimstone is an increase in elemental damage -> which helps both mages and people using the enchanted flametal weapons.

[west pulsar]

my crossbow hits over 800 damage on a sneek attack thats insane

wth

[gray sand]

Wait until you try vomiting sniper 😉

@west pulsar

[west pulsar]

whats that even do

[gray sand]

Bloodstone enchantment gives you damage increase for every point of missing health.

So if you have the red Ripper, and you use Bukeperries to puke everywhere, then load your crossbow.
Eat 3 max health foods and then shoot before you gain any of the health.

[west pulsar]

so much wasted food

im not made of food

[gray sand]

Yeah but largest damage instance of any single shot 😁

[west pulsar]

overkill in like 99% of contexts

[gray sand]

But fun to see big number!

[west pulsar]

fair enough

whats the bonus like 40%

i kinda had an idea

[gray sand]

iirc it is 0.2% per point missing?
So max HHH build if you got the shot off before any healing would be 60% + sneak bonus.

[west pulsar]

tho why wouldnt that idea witha shield staff work

hold on now i gotta see

i might be on something or onto something

[gray sand]

The most viable hybrid imo is using blood magic and blood weapons to take advantage of the natural health loss.

That being said, mathematically, all hybrid builds are worse than just commiting to full mage or full viking.

[west pulsar]

is that so?

whys that

[wintry valve]

You know whats crazy. Brimstone gives health and stamina by an equal amount to the adrenalin it takes to trigger. Its 1 to 1. However it sucks because it requires 100 adrenalin.
If we were to make it just outright give 1 health and stam for every adrenalin gained, it would give the same amount, in theory, but somehow I feel like it would be stupid broken powerful.

[gray sand]

Why is doing less damage worse than doing more damage?

[west pulsar]

no why does full mage do more

i dont get that

[gray sand]

Flat stam/health/eitr are things that can be upgraded into any trinket with the system I am recommending. So I had to completely remake it.

[gray sand]

Full mage outright does the most damage in the game. No contest.

Hybrid using the blood shield and then melee weapons has a lower stat pool than just committing to full viking, so it is less effective because you don't have the normal stamina/health pools you would and therefore have to keep taking awkward pauses and such.

[west pulsar]

how does it do more damage

like whats the math on that

[gray sand]

How do mages do more damage?

[wintry valve]

e=mchammer

[west pulsar]

ye

magic doesnt hit THAT hard from what i can tell

[gray sand]

I can give you exact numbers if you really, really need them but you're talking about dots and massive aoe damage from range compared to bows/melee.

[west pulsar]

i mean i use staff of the wild and trollstav but thats about for offense

[gray sand]

I'm not saying "magic does 1000s while viking does 10s" it's not that drastic, but it is better.

[west pulsar]

my thunder axes lay in hard

[wintry valve]

your thunder axe mostly hit one target at once

Magic is pretty gnarly about covering the entire zone in magical bullshit that hits everything

[west pulsar]

no?

[gray sand]

And have MtP applied when you actually do hit more than one enemy.

Magic doesn't have MtP.

[west pulsar]

thunder hits on axe have 25% chain ive seen it hit like 8 dudes at once

its pretty damn good

[wintry valve]

Man, I hope I dont have to explain to you why an axe doesnt cover the same area than a fireball

I know it can chain. The fireball doesnt "chain" 25% of the time

The fireball does damage over time.

[west pulsar]

doesnt a fireball hit way softer

[wintry valve]

You can do other things than fireballs with magic. The tendril spell is funny

[gray sand]

No one is saying Axes are bad.
We are just stating magic is better.

I don't run mage, but I can see it does more. The way I play in melee works just fine. I don't need the 10-15% better stuff that magic gives, but I can see that it is there.

[wintry valve]

and its not "way softer"

[west pulsar]

im not even debating im just genuinly curious

[gray sand]

Same thing with uses axes vs. swords.
At the one-handed level, swords are objectively better (until they fix the bug), but I still like and use axes because that is my preference.

[wintry valve]

its 145 slashing + chain whatever sometime vs 120 blunt + fire from staff of ember

and its ranged, and its a zone effect

[west pulsar]

but limited casting

[wintry valve]

oh sorry, staff of ember is 120 blunt PLUS 132 fire

I didnt see the 132 fire there

[gray sand]

It really is just "they are better due to mechanics and also because the numbers are better".
There isn't anything deeper than that 🤷‍♂️

[wintry valve]

so no, the staff definitively hit harder

and you have limited stamina with your axes too

[west pulsar]

yea but its like 6 casts vs 100 hits

with mage armor the regen is like a cast every 4 seconds or so

[gray sand]

You get way more casts out when you level the skill because it makes them all cheaper.

[wintry valve]

you dont do 100 hits with your stamina, and mages recover eitr way faster than we recover stamina (at least I think)

[west pulsar]

uh my magic is like very high level i just dont trade all my stats for magic

i dont like being soft

[west pulsar]

????????????????

[supple trail]

wait you guys have magic?

[gray sand]

So you're trying to be hybrid instead of committing.
See previous about how hybrid builds are objectively worse.

[wintry valve]

spotted the new guy

[gray sand]

Get to Mistlands and you will too.

[west pulsar]

huh

[gray sand]

If you full commit to mage foods and robes + your high skill you would have zero casting issues.

[west pulsar]

i wear mage robes and my magic skill is high i just only eat one magic food

[gray sand]

That's the issue and why you think casting is limited.

[west pulsar]

ill try it out

[gray sand]

If you've killed Queen, make the Mistlands feast and run EEF.

[glad night]

Eitr eitr, F?

[west pulsar]

ill beat the enitre game

[wintry valve]

I didnt know that the staves didnt increase their damage with upgrades tho

[west pulsar]

lmao

[gray sand]

Feast?

[glad night]

Ah

[gray sand]

Mistlands and Ashlands feasts give all 3 stats.

[glad night]

Never got to make a feast yet

[west pulsar]

ashlands feast etir food

is what i run

[gray sand]

Running EEF with Ashlands feast is even better.

[west pulsar]

how can i have four foods

[glad night]

Can you only have one feast?

[gray sand]

You can't and you don't need to.

[gray sand]

No. Like the moment I hit Swamp I run FFF because it's just simpler.

[glad night]

Interesting

[west pulsar]

ill try it out in the ashlands

pick some staffs

ima test run it and see how it feels

[gray sand]

FFF at Swamp is 130/155 stat spread for an hour.

[glad night]

Dang… why have I not noticed these feasts yet

[nocturne wolf]

Have you found the bog witch?

[glad night]

We just did, yeah

[nocturne wolf]

and made a food preparation table?

[glad night]

I think so?

[west pulsar]

fire frost wild?

for staffs?

[gray sand]

This is a 285 total stat.
HHS and HSS are 288 and 287 respectively.
So it is "worse" but it lasts twice as long and is just simpler so 🤷‍♂️

[wintry valve]

press F for feast

[gray sand]

Mistlands firestaff is best for arriving at Ashlands until you can swap up to things like Staff of the Wild.

[west pulsar]

so staff of the wild

anything else

[gray sand]

All up to your preference. I am not a mage 😁

[west pulsar]

aight if i feel it doesnt hit hard ima let you know

[nocturne wolf]

An upgraded staff of fracturing can deal a lot of fire damage if all projectiles hit, it's great for asksvins and valkyries and will hopefully be alright in deep north too

[wintry valve]

To be fair there is a significant advantage to axes over magic. Theres just about nothing that resist axes, while spells do damage types that enemies are often resistant against (sometime vulnerable)

I feel like nothing is vulneable to anything by the time we get magic, though

[west pulsar]

ill try that because fireball and frost are worthless

staff of wild is crazy as always but you put it down and axe

no need for magic

[gray sand]

Fireball is great for aoe, Fracturing is great for ST.

Frost would be much more usable if skill increase translated to accuracy increase.

[wintry valve]

ST?

[nocturne wolf]

single target?

[gray sand]

Single Target.

[wintry valve]

There was a cooldown, I couldnt say "wait no nvm" in time

[west pulsar]

wild better

fireball did like 3 damage

id need half a dozen to even bother

[supple trail]

sorry to interupt but do any of you guys know how to get better things than bronze.....

[wintry valve]

you go in the swamps for that

[nocturne wolf]

Kill the second boss if you haven't already

[gray sand]

Max level Wild (unattainable) does 80 Blunt + 70 Blunt if the Root hits for 150 and 80 Poison + 40 Poison if the Root hits for 120.

Max level Embers is 120 Blunt + 138 Fire, with no conditional hit.

So -30 Blunt + 18 Fire. Meaning Wild does a total of 12 more damage at max rank - which is unattainable.
Charred are also immune to poison, for consideration.

[west pulsar]

yea but 4 max and they hit while i hit

[gray sand]

The control effect of the roots is unquantifiable.
Rounding back to your favorite of all phrases -- Better is subjethive 😉

[supple trail]

i have already killed eikthyr, not the second boss yet

[west pulsar]

also that fire damage

is lying

no WAY its that high

[nocturne wolf]

Kill the boss before trying to get better equipment, their drop will help

[nocturne wolf]

Are you looking at the base damage or variance range?

[supple trail]

how hard will you say it is from a scale from 1-10

[west pulsar]

im looking at when i hit things

[gray sand]

If you're hitting charred, they resist fire.

[supple trail]

would you say a bronze spear and a skull tower sheild would be enough, and bronze armor

[west pulsar]

ice was like ehh but my axes are better than ice

[nocturne wolf]

That will do well, he's easier to melee than to fight at range

[west pulsar]

wild and axes was faster than anything else so far

[gray sand]

Tower Shields in general are "bad".
And you can kill Elder with Flint level weapons so Bronze is more than enough.

[nocturne wolf]

Make a banded shield in the next biome, your shield is ok for now

[gray sand]

Make Iron Buckler in next biome.

[nocturne wolf]

banded shield looks better

and it parries well enough

[supple trail]

okay guys i will try to kill him i will text agian soon after i tryed killing him

[gray sand]

Imagine settingling for "well enough" 😭

[west pulsar]

buckler and mace for swamp

[nocturne wolf]

iron buckler looks good enough

[west pulsar]

thats the strat dont bother with bronze armor get troll armor

[gray sand]

Buckler and Spear until Battleaxe for Swamp.
Mace exclusively for Bonemass.

Bronze Armor all the way.

[west pulsar]

nahhhh

[gray sand]

yahhhhh

[west pulsar]

too long to get and its slow

[glad night]

Nah, never.

[nocturne wolf]

if I can parry whatever I want to parry while taking a negligible amount of damage I'm going to do it with the shield that looks best

[gray sand]

Got it maxed out before seeing a second troll so idk what "too long" means 😄

[west pulsar]

how did that take

[nocturne wolf]

insane rng

[gray sand]

Like an in-game week?

[wintry valve]

for the second boss?

[gray sand]

For the armor.

[wintry valve]

oh, whoops, I was scrolled up

[gray sand]

Rushing Elder before doing anything Bronze is actually OP now.

[west pulsar]

3 and a half hours is forever dude

[gray sand]

How many trolls did you see in 3.5 hours?

[supple trail]

what bronze wepons is best for the elder?

[gray sand]

Any of them.

[nocturne wolf]

whatever you already have good skill level with

[glad night]

Axe

[nocturne wolf]

the sword would be better

[west pulsar]

well i play on 3x but like i can find like 5 trolls in half an hour if i try

[supple trail]

so spear would be enough?

[gray sand]

"I play on 3x" -- your opinion on how long it takes to build anything is null and void now 🤷‍♂️

[wintry valve]

Elder doesnt have special resistances, so your favourite weapon will do

[west pulsar]

ive played on 1x wasnt any different just longer

15 trolls is eaiser than 8 billion copper

[gray sand]

Point about trolls is what Blob pointed out -- rng.
In 3.5 hours I saw two trolls. So that's enough to barely make the armor. Compared to maxing out bronze.

And 8 billion is a gross exaggeration.

[west pulsar]

no shit

[gray sand]

So why make gross exaggerations if we're having an actual discussion about this?

[west pulsar]

its like almost 300 copper innit

something like that

i will always get troll armor maxed before i even get the raw stuff for bronze

[foggy glacier]

ten stacks of copper is only 4 deposits, max.

[wintry valve]

84 bronze

you cant make level 4 bronze armor at this point

[gray sand]

69?

[wintry valve]

oh, I meant copper,

[gray sand]

Lvl 3 takes 42 total, which is 84 copper yeah

[wintry valve]

84 copper, not bronze

[foggy glacier]

thats still barely more than one copper deposit will drop.

[wintry valve]

The amount of small mistakes I make gets weird. I should probably eat something in real life.

[west pulsar]

what veins are you getting 80 copper from

[gray sand]

It's even cheaper if you don't make the hat because you're wearing the circlet 😄

[gray sand]

Most of them tbh.

[wintry valve]

Drying skill in valheim when?

[west pulsar]

well in any case almost 4 hours for bronze is like

ages to me

[nocturne wolf]

where would that be used

[wintry valve]

When you are wet

[west pulsar]

we need a way to stop wet effect while moving

[gray sand]

It's called Fire 😉

[west pulsar]

in the rain?

swamp?

[gray sand]

Oh that's just called "a roof" 😄

[west pulsar]

while moving

[gray sand]

Build a longer roof? 👀

[wintry valve]

Im thinking of that sequence in Wallace And Gromit where Gromit builds a railroad as the model train he's on speeds away

but you know, with a roof instead

[tacit crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/train-tracks-tracks-collect-get-gromit-gif-11667864

[wintry valve]

yes

[late idol]

hi
when comes the game out of early access ?

[west pulsar]

I wish i could remove skill loss on death

[merry pebble]

We dont know yet 🙂

[gray sand]

Next update.

[west pulsar]

1.0 when deep north

[late idol]

no infos about deep north release?

[merry pebble]

Nope, only that devs dont plan it this year

[nocturne wolf]

You can reduce it with world modifiers

[wintry valve]

Well you can certainly reduce them

I was too slow

[late idol]

oh sadly not this year?

i waited that i can play it again with deep north update 🙁

[merry pebble]

setkey SkillReductionRate 0

[merry pebble]

Indeed, that is the only piece of info we have really

[late idol]

ty

[wintry valve]

I too was waiting deep north to play valheim

result: I am playing valheim right now

reason: I am weak

[tacit crystal]

At least there is Call to Arms update since September.

[nocturne wolf]

setkey skillreductionrate -100

it actually works I just tested it

[tacit crystal]

Gain levels on death?

[west pulsar]

Im aware

[merry pebble]

Ah, 0 doesent work? shouldnt it represent %?

[nocturne wolf]

0 works

-100 is to gain on death

[merry pebble]

Nice!

[west pulsar]

Does this work on worlds that arent mine

[west pulsar]

Oh

You're a genius i love you

[merry pebble]

Only the host can use these commands

[west pulsar]

Got it

[tacit crystal]

Some mods can allow others than host use them too, but that would go to https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202934289898151966 category.

[west pulsar]

I hate skill loss because skills literally day DAYS to level atp for me

[wintry valve]

what is atp?

[nocturne wolf]

I'm trying others now
everyone try enemyspeedsize -100

[merry pebble]

Fortunately they are in essence inconsequential 🙂 you can play just as well without them, but they are certainly nice improvements for sure

[west pulsar]

They make a massive difference in certain things like blood magic

[merry pebble]

Tiny? 👀

[nocturne wolf]

tiny would be 10, this is negative

[merry pebble]

Upside down?!

[tacit crystal]

Is negative tiny then huge?

[nocturne wolf]

I don't think there's any other interesting world keys

[west pulsar]

Monster's do 4% damage per player in radius?

Didnt know that

[merry pebble]

+4% yep, up to 5 players

[west pulsar]

Health is +40????

[nocturne wolf]

yes but each player is 100% more damage dealt as a group

[west pulsar]

Technically
Does this apply to bosses?

[merry pebble]

Yes, all enemies

[nocturne wolf]

probably tames and summons too

I'll need to check though

[west pulsar]

Dude

BUH????

So you're telling me if you 5 man fader it had 75k hp?

Or 50

[merry pebble]

65K i believe

[west pulsar]

...damn

I did that solo no way its easier 4 player

[tribal trench]

4 maned Fader months ago it was sooooooooo much fun I recorded it =+)

[west pulsar]

I only recently got to play with people but they're mega casual

[nocturne wolf]

Yes it should work on friendly creatures

[merry pebble]

Every fight is easier with more people 🙂 the enemy scaling really doesent keep up

[west pulsar]

Gotcha

Might do fader again im bored

Deadass though i kinda throw trolls and weeds at it

Then shoot it i dont really get close unless I'm feeling brave with the shield

[nocturne wolf]

If you're scared of fader's melee attacks they all deal pierce so you can use root harnesk against them

[west pulsar]

I will delete this game before i wear that ugly ass chest piece

And i spam shield because i dont use armor much anyway

[nocturne wolf]

If you use root harnesk and serpent scale shield you can get his damage so low a damage number doesn't appear

[west pulsar]

Oh?

[gray sand]

In general armor has nothing to do with blocking, so the serpent shield is doing the bulk of the work.

[nocturne wolf]

I'm taking 0.2 damage per hit with flametal chest

only from the spin attack, at least. The others are too strong

[west pulsar]

Fader melee is whatever its the fire spikes which force me to move

[weary egret]

Heavy shields are bis on fader imo

[gray sand]

Serpent one specifically, yes.

If you're choosing to shield over dodgeroll.

[nocturne wolf]

Parrying would allow you to regenerate stamina, rolling or blocking would pause regen

[weary egret]

Didnt know about that, i used flametal tower shield, i even put the shield up against meteors, helped a bunch

Ah idk about parry after the update

[west pulsar]

I just move i play like if im on a not damage run

That's my fourth time beating fader

Only issue with that boss in all truth is the weird terrain im on

[night charm]

ZABKA

[polar osprey]

The repair hammer. Just lay campfires.

[nocturne wolf]

That's not a bronze weapon

[polar osprey]

It's the only weapon you need during the bronze age.

[ashen ravine]

Have any of yall tried to win Valheim without armor? Capes allowed.

[west pulsar]

Campfire cheese is easier than just actually cheating

Why even play if you're gonna fire cheese

[ashen ravine]

[west pulsar]

No because I'm not a masochist

[nocturne wolf]

I'm sure Scales has, he's done all kinds of challenge runs

[gray sand]

Killing him with torches is fun. Only takes like 7.

[ashen ravine]

oof-

I’m gonna try to beat Valheim with either no armor or just a weak set of armor.

Can’t switch.

Once you have the armor you can’t swap

[polar osprey]

"Why play with fire cheese?" As man's sitting on a rock shooting wooden arrows at a bear.

[west pulsar]

What does that even mean

[gray sand]

He's poking at the people who would call using fireplaces "a cheese strat" being the same people who make tree houses and such and shoot 300 arrows at a boss from an unreachable position.

[west pulsar]

Early game there's no need

My thing about campfire cheese is like it's somehow easier than just using cheats

[polar osprey]

You still need to farm the resources. Also, cheat stick is going to always be easier than any other option in the game... To have an abundant supply of wood and stone early game is a hassle.

[merry pebble]

Well, you can type all and all 2 strings of letters and kill everything around you using cheats, i dont think there is a way to make it easier 😄

[gray sand]

Trying to get trollfish and all of these fuckers on the BF shoreline are pike/perch

[fossil delta]

Trollfish tend to be a little further out from the shore. Not always, but more often than not.

[midnight hedge]

hey is this server like decent to find ppl to play with? i just got the game and just was wondering

[foggy glacier]

You'll probably find someone to play with in #1024264966712340510

[midnight hedge]

dude.... i did not see that anywhere lol

im so blind thank you

[foggy glacier]

any time

[tropic scarab]

Yo im almost done with my castle build that I’ve been working on for the better part of 2 years I’ve farmed everything for it and I’m down to the last 8 weapons to make for display any advice for weapon display

[wintry valve]

cheese in valheim when?

I cheese bosses by facetanking them with my face and cleaving their's with my axe.

[tepid prawn]

I have a longstanding theory that cheese is so powerful it will have to be a Deep North food if we get it 🙂 But thats just something I said, no official thing in any way, a mere theory of a Valheim player haha.

[wintry valve]

deep cows

[gray sand]

Yaks.

[tepid prawn]

||seal milk cheese||

[wintry valve]

Ice Buffalos

[polar osprey]

Yetti cheese

[rotund dust]

Abonimable Snowman Cheese

[gray sand]

Just realized one of my other reasons that I don't use capes...
Black Forge doesn't have any when you get to Mistlands, and since I build each bench with its own building, I don't want to have to walk back and forth to repair everything.

OMFG - Cooking Skill gives you a chance to get double Coal when you burn meat 👀

[wintry valve]

the man discovered a real life videogame life hack

[cosmic summit]

Anyone else really dislike the plains?

[foggy glacier]

and likewise, burning meat into coal improves your cooking skill.

[cosmic summit]

Oh boy! Now I know what to do with my chests full of neck tails

[gray sand]

It's just a free boost in the Mistlands given how much Seeker Meat you get and therefore should be burning into coal.

[gray sand]

Favorite biome, so no 🤷‍♂️

[foggy glacier]

Exactly. I put a hearth inside my workshop building/room. You can squeeze three iron cooking stations onto one hearth if you get the spacing just right.

add the one in your kitchen and you've got a full stack of seeker meat on the grill in one go.

[cosmic summit]

My favorite is swamps

[gray sand]

Valid.

[foggy glacier]

I gotta agree with Sevrahn. I hate being wet.

that's why swamp is out for me. Plains is probably my fave too.

[cosmic summit]

I dislike the music there. It makes me sleepy.

[uncut owl]

anyone else get scared shitless in the swamp or am I just a pussy

[gray sand]

That's kind of just you 🤷‍♂️

[uncut owl]

damn

the athmosphere is spooky for me

Doesn't mean that I don't like the biome though

[lone rampart]

Nighttime in the swamps scares the crap out of me. I'll find the nearest crypt, hop on top, and just constantly scan the treetops for approaching wraiths

[drifting ferry]

The best part is walking out of a crypt with a wraith camping the doorway

[distant girder]

I want yaks

[lone rampart]

it's usually oozers that camp the doors in my map

[uncut owl]

I just run back home when It gets dark lol

speaking of running back home, I just went into the swamp and forgot the fucking swamp key

[hushed mauve]

why do spears have such little range. i crafted it with the whole stick why cant i use it

this is the first time ive seen a game do spears wrong

[gray sand]

Well... you can throw it 😉

[hushed mauve]

this is hardly a redeeming quality

[gray sand]

Fastest attspd in the game.

[hushed mauve]

that should belong to dagger/fist. even more out of line than i originally thought

[gray sand]

🤔

[drifting ferry]

I just use the ol chair trick to get inside crypts 🙂

[chrome badge]

Knives are a faster attack speed to be fair.

[hushed mauve]

simply going off of what this chum had to say

[chrome badge]

but I can't find a reason why spears have a range similar to knives, potentially on par with the shortest range weaponry is puzzling.

[gray sand]

Knives have an attack chain, no?

[chrome badge]

Yes, but it amounts to less time than 0.6+0.6+0.6 in the 3 hit chain.

and spears is 0.68

[gray sand]

These numbers are from.. where?

[chrome badge]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Spears & https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Knives

[gray sand]

Hmmm... @nocturne wolf this you?

[hushed mauve]

just saying spears were done poorly.

[gray sand]

Legit my favorite weapon in the game so 🤷‍♂️

[hushed mauve]

we're all entitled to our opinions. even if they might be wrong

[chrome badge]

Spears are fun to use, and really useful, but the range is questionable. Typically I can see some reasoning for the balancing, but I'm at a loss with that.

[gray sand]

Well there's a perfectly shit thing to say...

[hushed mauve]

go swing a spear like that and tell me if it feels right

[chrome badge]

To be fair the spear animation/hitbox might just be a universal approach because it can be paired with shields.

But that still feels lackluster.

[hushed mauve]

then just give it a lunging jab

[gray sand]

Go make your own game and you can decide how everything works 🤷‍♂️

[hushed mauve]

you can settle for what is inadequate and i will advocate for better things

[gray sand]

Your perception does make something reality.

[chrome badge]

I don't think better is the right wording, we really can't know the considerations behind the spear ultimately.

People have utilized them in this way, it just feels odd to not use them for range admittedly.

[hushed mauve]

i have never once seen a spear be used like this. in any other game.

[gray sand]

Which makes it objectively different.
And subjectively to you, personally, worse.

[hushed mauve]

being different doesnt mean its accurate or useful

[chrome badge]

It doesn't mean it isn't either though.

That's all opinion based.

[gray sand]

Doesn't mean finding it useful is "wrong."

[hushed mauve]

spear is done in a way that is not spear-esque simple as :P

[gray sand]

.....

[hushed mauve]

only melee weapon in the game that doesnt have a real attack chain as far as im aware.

[gray sand]

Clearly you haven't built any of the hammers.

[hushed mauve]

this is why i said as far as im aware

[gray sand]

I wait on baited breath for your critique of those.

[glad night]

Knives are my favourite weapon, sneak up and one shot trolls

[hushed mauve]

knives are tight

[chrome badge]

The spear style is one that has been documented and used by people, but there are definitely ranged ways of using a spear that are quite nice as well.

[hushed mauve]

i like the way the devs made knives. well done

[chrome badge]

It just seems suited to when someone is holding a shield, which makes me wonder if that's the reasoning.

Less animation nuance.

[hushed mauve]

that sounds exhausting and id imagine the weapon very out of balance. a simple lunge like in dark souls or similar would do it justice

[chrome badge]

No it's very balanced to be fair, and unique in it's approach. It gains skills faster than any weapon in the game I believe.

[hushed mauve]

when i said balanced i meant in a weight way. i should've specified

[chrome badge]

The attack speed + increased experience gain are unmatched.

Ah, well that's hard to determine.

[hushed mauve]

5-1 in suggestions

[gray sand]

🤔

[chrome badge]

Yeah I'll upvote that, I believe the spear animation was handled early in development, and they've likely gotten far better at handling animations. I would love to see a combo chain that has more range when used with no shield.

[hushed mauve]

agree.

[chrome badge]

Obviously that could be some work that isn't necessary, but it'd be welcome.

[hushed mauve]

i feel like all weapons should at the very least have a 3 chain and their own animations. none lesser than the next

save for bows and the sort.

[gray sand]

🤦‍♂️

[hushed mauve]

i dont understand why you're so against it but whatever man

[gray sand]

You shit all over my favorite weapon and you don't understand why that bothers me...
Well ok then...

[hushed mauve]

ratio #suggestions

[gray sand]

I don't even know what tf that is supposed to mean?

[hushed mauve]

somehow i dont doubt that

[hidden gorge]

ah, the spear convo? some things never change, lol

-# (although I wish they would, the spear feels terrible, lol)

the biggest issue i have with the spear is that it is completely the opposite of what makes spears the greatest weapon on the planet irl

[hushed mauve]

this guy gets it

i fw you

[hidden gorge]

well, i know it's not gonna change, no matter how many dead horses are pulverized to dust

[sharp cradle]

spear is bottom tier in valheim, you’re better off using a torch

[gray sand]

That is objectively not true.

[hushed mauve]

torch does status and is objectively more versatile

spear is so bland and boring.

[gray sand]

I don't think you understand what words mean 🤷‍♂️

[hushed mauve]

at a fundamental level torch is way more well made

[gray sand]

Also untrue.

[sharp cradle]

just because you like the spear doesn’t change that the spear is objectively not good

[hidden gorge]

maces are bland and boring, but only because they're the one stop most op weapons in the game (last i checked)

[hushed mauve]

agree but they are way more fleshed out than the spear

[gray sand]

Either you don't know what objectively means, or you're choosing to use it incorrectly.

[hushed mauve]

you didnt understand ratio. i do not have high expectations for you

[gray sand]

You don't know how capital letters work, I have zero expectations for you. 🤷‍♂️

[hushed mauve]

10-3 in suggestions right now

[sharp cradle]

this guy, he gets told spear isn’t good

so then he does personal attacks instead of something with substance

the cry of a wounded animal

[gray sand]

Oh no... a channel notoriously littered with horrible ideas that people think are good agrees with you... such wow...

[hushed mauve]

are you saying the mass of people in this server are dull witted and your opinion alone is better? even though its the minority? interesting.

[gray sand]

This guy was personally attacked and then responded...

[sharp cradle]

you’re weird for resorting to personal attacks because we said your favorite pixel weapon isn’t good

[hidden gorge]

i don't understand ratios, nor use capitals correctly, isn't there anyone out there that might have some expectations for me?

[sharp cradle]

the guy is just really mad

[gray sand]

🙄

[hushed mauve]

yea he's mad cause he loves his spear slop

[sharp cradle]

“my spear is the best. you guys just can’t read, you’re all dumb loser folk”

[gray sand]

No where did I say any of those words.

[hushed mauve]

very interested in your response to this btw

[gray sand]

I have never even implied this.

[hidden gorge]

the spear isn't weak or bad in game if you know how to use it

[sharp cradle]

he is a narcissist

[hidden gorge]

it's the only melee weapon you can throw iirc

[hushed mauve]

its poorly made. its not fleshed out. all other weapons mog

[sharp cradle]

i could hit you through a wall with stag breaker while you poke desperately with your spear

[hidden gorge]

there are certainly valid reasons to like it

i personally don't tho

[hushed mauve]

it has all the qualities of a dagger and it shouldnt

[hidden gorge]

if you go around making wild, baseless insulting claims about someone, it doesn't make you look any better

[still oar]

is there fishing in valheim?

[hushed mauve]

yes

[still oar]

thats so cool

[hushed mauve]

i agree

[still oar]

I will fish a ton 🐟

[hushed mauve]

yeah theres tons of fish too

[gray sand]

There is even a hat you can get only if you catch 1 of everything.

[hidden gorge]

i still haven't unlocked it 😭

[hushed mauve]

sspear fishing would be cool

[still oar]

no way

[hushed mauve]

abyssal harpoon fishing is good idea

[hidden gorge]

but mostly cause i don't do a lot of fishing

[still oar]

can I put them as decoration on a wall?

[gray sand]

Also the largest fish rank (5) is actually un-spawnable, so the only way to get them is by catching them.

[hushed mauve]

i think so

[still oar]

WOAH

[still oar]

sweet, I think I know what I will be doing when I get in

[hidden gorge]

not only fish, but pretty much any monster you come across

[still oar]

I remember there was a serpent that would show in the sea, can I fish it?

[gray sand]

Not fish, but kill.

[hidden gorge]

spearfishing is still fishing. there's even a hook and a line and everything

but yeah, the serpent is big enough it's more akin to whaling

[paper marsh]

eh I find their attack animations boring too, feels too similar to swords and axes

Makes sense, but I just like a lil' more pizazz in my weapons

[dark coyote]

@sharp cradle @hushed mauve @gray sand for the record, I've watched snazzygames do trophy hunt competitions with only the flint spear, its definitely subjective, mainly to user skill

[hushed mauve]

swing a spear like that irl

i am not saying its a bad weapon in gameplay just very unrealistic

[dark coyote]

oh for sure, it should be both hands and from the hip

[gray sand]

That would be what atgiers do.

[hushed mauve]

as all polearms should do

[gray sand]

So if spear and atgeir are both 2-handed pierce weapons, what's the point?

[hushed mauve]

both are polearms. spears are used with shields. allow that but with a damage and no aoe attacks when paired with a shield

[gray sand]

So we have 3 hands?

[dark coyote]

I agree, no need for atgeir, its not even a viking weapon actually

[tropic vine]

Atgeirs were used during the viking era in nordic regions, primarily as a defensive tool for fighting on structures. The appearance varied from a standard glaive to something closer to a spear. They look less realistic in game.

[distant girder]

atgeir is the only sole thing that isn't precisely realistic yes lol

[chrome badge]

hides staff/shotgun hybrid I agree 👀

[distant girder]

talking fish on the wall and santa hats and lizard yaks tho

[gray sand]

Magic... Stunning people by blocking arrows... Capes that make you fly 😉

[chrome badge]

I believe it was sarcasm tbf

[distant girder]

exactly! those were the days

[gray sand]

Indeed!

[gray sand]

Why do firefighters even wear coats? They should just drink Barely Wine 😉

[chrome badge]

Valheim isn't a viking simulator, but you are a viking.

[distant girder]

i think I'm more like a perch[2] tbh

[chrome badge]

Lmao I am supposed to be winding down to sleep but that made me laugh

[tropic vine]

God of War simulator but you're a regular dude

[distant girder]

lmao

[gray sand]

Dude Simulator 👀

[chrome badge]

Odin's requirements? Be a chill dude/dudette

[distant girder]

casual regular person that ended up in an epic afterlife and the whole time it's like wait did the gods mess up on paperwork why am I here

[chrome badge]

Sounds like Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey

[distant girder]

terrible idea:
add to the easiness scale.... "weird mode"
the tutorial crows talk like unintelligible pirates, greylings make bicycle horn sounds when you punch them ...

[gray sand]

Sequal to FreeGuy is the Valheim movie 😄

[distant girder]

prequel to the Minecraft movie

[dark coyote]

I would love a clown greyling mod

[chrome badge]

Opening a door is the THX noise but can't be muted or turned down

[distant girder]

there's a mod that adds goofy tuba music when you're overencumbered

[distant girder]

LOL

when there's something smacking your door, a gollum voice starts saying they've been trying to contact you about your cart's extended warranty

every time a fish flies out of the water, it makes a lil "wheeee!" happy sound

[cobalt canyon]

Balloon pop when a bird dies

[distant girder]

LOL

[rotund dust]

My son sailed south on our new server, on a raft, while we built a base, and found all 3 NPC shops within 10 minutes, what a legend 😄

[distant girder]

aw hell yeah that's awesome

need the Wilhelm scream woven in somewhere

[cobalt canyon]

Whenever something gets staggered and flies back

[distant girder]

genius

[gray sand]

Instead of wailing animations, things break into dance when they get staggered.

[rotund dust]

He found Yagluth, and Bonemass, just going straight south as well as the 3 merchants, what a blessed run... For context, we havent even got copper/tin yet 😂

[fossil delta]

I've finally found 2 of the 3 traders. Of course Haldor is being the difficult one. Typically I find him first.

[dark coyote]

this seed im on now, didnt find haldor until day 168

[cobalt canyon]

I used the world generator as a sanity check for this run and indeed, this map has cursed trader locations

(seed AfQli4jqX9)

[gray sand]

Haldor being on starting island is such a good feeling tbh.

[gray sand]

Well... someone is getting an allowance raise 😉

[rotund dust]

He might get dinner tonight.

[gray sand]

Even better!

[distant girder]

make one of the valheim feasts!

[fossil delta]

Day 152. So getting close. I'm nearly done with iron too.

[cobalt canyon]

I made it to Ahslands day 99 on this run (we don't mention viewing the world for traders or the 3 instances of devcommands)

[rotund dust]

This comment is a classic 😂