valheim-chat

[chrome badge]

At least you'll end up with plenty of Frost Arrow material during the grind 😅

[sage quiver]

Lol. Yeah I typically use a lot of frost arrows and zero eyescream. This playthrough I have hundreds of extra arrows AND stacks of eyescream. Still no drake helm though. Probably will end up keeping my iron hat.

[gray sand]

Drake Helm? You mean Dverger Circlet? 😏 😛

[sage quiver]

Hey. I like my horny hat. Forrealz tho, I almost always use a fully upgraded heavy helm no matter what the build. So much armor with no drawbacks.

[gray sand]

Flashlight all the way for me.

[sage quiver]

I'm saving my money for eggs. 😂

[chrome badge]

I just use dvergr circlets for mood lighting around my crops 👼

[sage quiver]

It's funny how the meta has changed. I used to have so much useless gold it was stacked everywhere and circlets were my go-to lighting. Now I'm a lot more thrifty.

I'll tell you what meta I'm not happy about tho... inventory space. Adding 6743257 potions and trinkets without increasing carry space is just rude.

[chrome badge]

I'm neutral personally, but a developer did put out feelers about how players would want inventory space addressed.

[gray sand]

Fair. Personally I never buy eggs. I always require myself to get them from the tower.

[sage quiver]

Hopefully many were pro-change. I know the devs have long been against it but I'm personally a fan of dedicated equipment slots.

[gray sand]

Moving armor, equipment slot, and trinket slot out gives you 6 slots back, and I am fully in favor of that.
Adding backpacks that give you multiple rows of extra inventory is extreme casualization and I will hate if that gets added.

[chrome badge]

Yeah I am totally against backpacks as well

[sage quiver]

I'm on the same page. I'm not looking for a bunch of extra slots, just enough to make up for those consumed by the last two updates.

[gray sand]

Yeah but the loud majority are the "we need more rows" crowd so....

(Not the actual majority, just the loud)

[chrome badge]

I suggested a streamlined version of pocket portals not long ago, but ultimately anything but backpacks 😛 #suggestions message

[sage quiver]

Adding in quick-bar 9 and 0 would be kinda elegant.

[gray sand]

Quickbar is just the top inventory row. So if you make it longer, you have to make all inventory rows longer.

[sage quiver]

I mean, they could change the UI a bit to accommodate but... heard.

[chrome badge]

UI changing is fairly tricky this far along, there's definitely more elegant solutions within the bounds already set imo

[sage quiver]

Is it really that tricky to adjust the inventory UI? I'm not a dev so I don't know what it entails. I can imagine the in-game UI is harder.

[gray sand]

Tricky? Probably not given they have experience with their UI.
Time-consuming? Yeah.

[chrome badge]

The tricky part will be testing scaling across all platforms mostly.

Many differing resolutions can cause issues with this, whether it's a visual problem or interaction problem.

[gray sand]

You've got people with normal monitors and then you have the super-ultra-wide-curved-all-the-way-behind-you crowd 😄

[chrome badge]

I dealt with roughly 3 weeks of reports when making a game and porting it onto the switch later on.

[gray sand]

UI when holograms is going to be a nightmare 😭

[chrome badge]

Hopefully VR will progress knowledge there

[sage quiver]

Damn. I'm just tryna put a potion on a button and y'all are going all star trek on me. 🤣🤣🤣

[gray sand]

How do you not have room for potions on the 1-8 bar?

[echo wind]

Right? So unprofessional. Give us briefcases instead!

[sage quiver]

I do. One dedicated slot. Sometimes two. (bow - primary weapon - shield - backup weapon - (some 2-3 slot combo of tools) - potion. But now I'm assuming I need to add a trinket?

[gray sand]

😬 Sounds like "carrying things you don't need" but you do you.

[sage quiver]

I know, but I'm so used to being the group's terraformer/builder, it's a hard habit to break.

[gray sand]

Multiplayer issues 😛

[sage quiver]

My partner, who I play with most often, wasn't carrying tools at all until I gave her the ultimatum: axe or pick, choose one and carry it so I don't have to.

[gray sand]

I mean, outside of your base area, what are you terraforming?

[sage quiver]

Depends on game state. Paths in early swamp, resting shelves in early mountains, some boss arenas. Plus I'm not really a mega-base kinda guy, so I build a fair amount of outposts and mini-bases.

[gray sand]

Hmmm.

🤷‍♂️

[sage quiver]

I feel judged. 🙃

[gray sand]

Not at all.

Just my brain trying to resolve the paradox of (again no judgment)

I don't see any merit in doing it this way.
vs.
This person is doing it and finding enjoyment and success in it.

So a lot of gears spinning trying to balance the equation 😄

Because I know what you're doing is valid.
Just trying to resolve it 😄

[sage quiver]

Lol. I was being pretty light with the "feel judged" comment.

[gray sand]

😭

I am one of those people who doesn't just accept what they know. I like to know why I know things.

[gray sand]

Well I was over-encumbered by the comment 😏

[sage quiver]

It seems like I'm more sandboxy than you, which is fine. The other point is, when I think of things I don't need, potions and trinkets are the first thing that come to mind. I play with people who go through stamina potions like water and I have never used one. I just manage my stamina.

[dusk violet]

I can’t believe that this game is so good and cozy.

[gray sand]

I go through Tasty Mead like it is air, lol. Because it allows me to go absolutely ballsout in combat knowing I can get my stamina back immediately.

But potions are on my combat/exploration bar. Not by basebuilding/gathering/mining bar.

[steel mica]

I just wanna see how much 2.0x resource is

[gray sand]

Hint: It's double.

[steel mica]

so instead of 6 tin from 1.5x

I get 9 tin from 2.0x

[sage quiver]

Seems like the main difference might be that I dislike changing bars. I keep my leftover tools on item stands with an empty one nearby for quick changing and even just that is confounding. The number of times I've left the morning after a major farming day and gotten all the way to the finewood only to realize there's a cultivator where my axe should be... 😥

[gray sand]

I treat Valheim days like my irl days.
Wake up - eat - grab what you need based on the plan for the day - head out.

[sage quiver]

I try to do that but there's a lot of factors. Raids, needing materials mid build or mid cook, etc. Like when I plan a day in the mountains but there's a blizzard. In most situations I try to multitask.

[gray sand]

Hmmmmm.
When I need to cook I spend an entire day just doing that.
If I know I will need to cook tomorrow, I will spend today just over-collecting mats so nothing is missing.

[sage quiver]

Yep. Definately different outlooks. My planned days are boss fights, major sailing missions, new biomes, and builds. With everything else, I just grind the ages as quickly as possible, trying to keep a stockpile but not always succeeding.

[gray sand]

Not planning all days? 😭 I cri 😭

[glad night]

You’d get 8, if 6 is 1.5x value, then the base value would be 4. 2x4=8

[sage quiver]

For me, cooking is one of the options for when I get home early and need to kill some time before bed.

[sage quiver]

Into empty mead skins, apparently. 😁

[gray sand]

Indeed. Ferment the tears and drink it back again.

[sage quiver]

So... you run just one base? Obviously you've also got a couple of biome-specific farms but that's all? When I tried that, the fps drop was untenable.

[gray sand]

Yes. For the longest it was just Plains base + Mushroom farm in Mistlands.

Recently it is Mountain base + Plains farming outpost + Mushroom farm in Mistlands.

Only place I have fps drop is Ashlands, where everyone does.

[sage quiver]

Either you have an excellent rig or your builds are a lot simpler than mine. I learned pretty early that max crafting/comfort needs to be in a different chunk then any major farming or husbandry operation.

[teal bear]

Does it really cause that significant amount of lag?

[gray sand]

I build villages 🤷‍♂️ But I also don't max my comfort. I cap it where the timer is 21 minutes so I have a countdown until I need to be home.

[gray sand]

The more instances the game is trying to load the slower it gets. That is the problem in the Ashlands.

[sage quiver]

Lighting, smoke particles and instances. It's a lot better now that landscaping changes aren't instances.

[teal bear]

Im not sure what instances entirely means but that is kind of wild

[gray sand]

When you place a wooden beam, that is an instance.

Everything you build is an individual piece the game has to load and monitor.

[teal bear]

Everyday we stray further from optimization

[sage quiver]

Okay, but are the villages fully furnished and decorated? As an example, my meadow farm has a tavern with a fully stocked bar, tables with food on them, weapons on the walls, etc. And that's just one room in one building.

[gray sand]

I'm not getting into a deck measuring competition about builds with you.
I do have a really good rig as well.

[coarse gust]

in my experience, it used to be that instance count was the big thing, at least after the terrain optimization...
but now, its the complexity of the pieces i place that crash the fps way more than building huge houses with thousands of fairly simple pieces

[sage quiver]

Fair enough. I was really just trying to figure out if the difference was instances or your computer.

[teal bear]

It seems a very odd choice to make everything an instance, I feel like there is a much simpler way to keep track of things.

I suppose that explains why builds dont immediately colllapse when you break the supports

[gray sand]

Write your game engine that doesn't track objects as objects and people will stop using Unity and Unreal almost immediately 🤷‍♂️

[gray sand]

All good. Just avoiding the potential spiral.

[teal bear]

??? Plenty of games acheive the same result without the performance hit. Its not about the tools its about how theyre used

[sage quiver]

I'm just wishing I had a screen cap of some epic deck build on my phone now, for the pun value. 😁

[gray sand]

Plenty of games with customizable building that tracks structural integrity achieve different results with the same process?

X for Doubt.

[sage quiver]

Yeah, I was going to say something similar. Can't think of any examples. For what it is, Valheim functions quite well.

[gray sand]

I would bet the major difference is the structural integrity system.
If you don't have to track that then you can do things differently and save performance. 🤷‍♂️

[coarse gust]

i guess you could do something like give the structure a structure check and then transform it into something more computationally efficient once you're sure its structurally sound...

[teal bear]

The way Valheim tracks structual integrity is very strange for one, and two the closet comparison to Valheim I can think of is Dragonwilds which has a building system eeriely similar to Valheim

[coarse gust]

then you would only have low fps while building. and good fps while using the base

[gray sand]

It's entirely possible stuff like this is being worked on for 1.0
Just the current system is "it works, phawk it. Roll with it and optimize it later" as is the standard for a lot of the development cycle of any game.

[neon magnet]

structural integrity, damage on individual pieces and cover/rain calculations probably complicate things

[teal bear]

Im fairly certain building has already been listed under the "not changing" category by IronGate

[neon magnet]

But idk, I think it seems to work quite well except when people really push it to the limits. Some areas in-game may need optimization etc but

[knotty cliff]

hey guys brand new here

just picked up the game and clocked in like 45 mins

heard the game is better with groups

[gray sand]

There's a difference between what is not changing on the front end and what can be optimized on the back end without effecting the front at all.

[knotty cliff]

i have no idea how to host or join but wouldnt mind hitting up a group[

[gray sand]

Better is subjective.
I will almost always play solo.

[gray sand]

#1024264966712340510

[neon magnet]

I'd say it's a mixed bag. Some people prefer it with a group and some don't 🙂 Feel free to give it a try though. Can always have a solo world on the side

[teal bear]

As most things, depends on who youre playing with

[gray sand]

It's balanced around being solo.

[teal bear]

Maybe, but an overhaul to how the game handles structures and instances would almost certainly change a lot on the front end

[knotty cliff]

been a huge mmo player since like eq

[neon magnet]

I enjoy group play with my wife and in-laws etc. But it means a lot of things are done in ways I wouldn't personally do - and I am fine with that since I know I can do them "my way" on my solo world 😄

[knotty cliff]

i def prefer p[laying with others

[gray sand]

Then what you heard is irrelevant as your preference is already formed 😉

[coarse gust]

its only better in groups if you all play only with each other.
especially the first time around

[teal bear]

Thats why you host the world and only let ppl in when youre on

[gray sand]

I again have the opposite opinion, lol.
I find it better in groups only if we are all split and doing our own thing 😂

[teal bear]

Though I can see a village/community type server being enjoyable if it was the kind where everyone is around but all doing their own thing

God knows I wont even let my friends touch a hammer, Id have to burn down whatever abominations they build

[gray sand]

Everyone gets to claim their own island. You can visit to check other people's stuff out and trade materials but no touching the builds.

[neon magnet]

"Why did you cut down those blueberry bushes?!"
"I needed some wood"

[sage quiver]

I think he meant non-public.

[gray sand]

What kind of masochist plays on a public, freely griefed on a whim server?

[teal bear]

Less this and more

"I needed a house so I leveled a field to nothing but dirt and built a lopsided cube on it"

I still have nightmares of playing Minecraft with them 😨

[sage quiver]

Every Unturned player ever.

[gray sand]

😭

[teal bear]

Rip Unturned, what could have been

[gray sand]

The only Valheim-esque game I played before was Conan:Exiles.

[sage quiver]

Lol. I literally gave my partner roof overhang lessons so I wouldn't have to see those boxes everywhere.

[gray sand]

Which set the standard for 1-handed spear combat animations.

[teal bear]

I always wanted to try conan but the pricetag killed any of tbose ideas

[gray sand]

It's gotten worse as they added stuff unfortunately.

[neon magnet]

My wife is like "You. Build." and then runs off to deforest the surrounding area and pile up wood for me 😄

[teal bear]

I love my friends but gun to their head they couldnt muster even the slightly pitling of crativity

[coarse gust]

the point isn't to play as a dnd party.
its to make sure you do the big progression stuff together.
doing bosses. getting iron, first batch of frost resistance to explore mountains, sailing to ashlands for the first time...

[teal bear]

Everygame we play I am designated base builder

[gray sand]

Having defined roles in marriage is a good thing 😏

[teal bear]

So Ive heard, its a shame when games just get steadily worse as they update

[sage quiver]

Oh... she wants to build and, honestly does some pretty interesting things... with terrible roofs.

[gray sand]

Every CoD since 2005? 😏

[neon magnet]

We complement each other quite well. She starts things and I finish them 😄 Without her, I would never do anything and without me, she would be a complete mess 😄

[gray sand]

Play as DnD party.
Roll to see what order you have to kill bosses in 😉

[gray sand]

Beautiful.

[sage quiver]

And no wizards until epic level.

[gray sand]

You could do an actual DnD group with your heavy armor guy, light armor but 2 handed weapon guy, bow guy, and magic guy 😂

[teal bear]

Magic guy doesnt get to join till session 6

[neon magnet]

When we play with our inlaws, I kind of end up being the tank since I'm the only one in the group who can time dodges or parries well 😄

[gray sand]

Add a lute to the game so we can bard out.

[sage quiver]

Our MP group kinda does that and it helps. At least in as much as different kits have different peak resources.

[rain flare]

Well.
Free lumber and labor! 😂

Can’t complain about that! 🤣

[gray sand]

I would do what his wife does, personally. I can grind mats all day if someone wants to build things.

[sage quiver]

Lol. The tank doesn't dodge or parry.

[gaunt sable]

you're the friend I need in my life

[steel mica]

Im so tempted to just bump the resource to 2x

[sage quiver]

Yeah people like that are great until you're back on SP and keep running out of stone.

[gray sand]

Whoa now. We aren't even acquaintances yet. Can't just jump to friend level immediately 😏

[nocturne wolf]

It’s the best way to reduce damage

[gaunt sable]

I honestly just wish you could select which resources you want increased and which you don't

[rain flare]

The tank doesn’t dodge or parry.
They tank

Sure it’s the best way to a kid damage, but what tank in their right mind does that? 😂

[gray sand]

As a long time MMO player, yes we do.

Whole point of tanking is not standing in puddles (dodging) and using DCDs when the big hits come through (parrying) 🙃😛

[nocturne wolf]

A tank that doesn’t want to die to two-star enemies?

[rain flare]

The day Valheim adds a taunt mechanic is the day I’ll play like that

For now, I’ll just… tank it 😂

Preferably with my face 🤭

[sage quiver]

Wasn't claiming tank is best. Lol. Although, despite the tower shield hate on here, my partner used to run a full-heavy, tower, blunt tank with 3 hp foods and it was pretty effective in MP.

[gray sand]

Don't tease me with amazing mechanic ideas 😭

Like imagine being able to taunt so enemies focus you while your wolves shred them.

Or taunt stuff and lead it into a Dverger ambush 😈

[rain flare]

Tank works best in MP
One gets in the mob’s face - basically saying “Hit me!” While your friends obliterates them from behind or with ranged weapons

[coarse gust]

honestly, the idea of a taunt only works if the enemies are not braindead.
and I dont think the enemies being braindead should change.

[gray sand]

Viking war horn taunt plz 😭

[rain flare]

New taunt mechanic:
press key to do a battle roar and make all mobs bumb rush you in exchange for a boost in block power

New trinket for this when?

[gray sand]

Anything with a brain gets mined for soft tissue 😉

[rain flare]

Well…
Most of them are dead already, sooooo 😅

[gray sand]

No block. Just an armor buff.

[sage quiver]

Movement speed buff?

[coarse gust]

id vote hitpoint buff

[sage quiver]

Although massive movement penalty and weak to all damage types would be funnier.

[gray sand]

Hit points should be a magic thing.
Like they have the bubble, needs to be a new spell that siphons life from enemies and heals you based on how many enemies you hit.

[coarse gust]

yeah... magic starts way too late

[gray sand]

Nah. Magic should never have started 😏😉

[nocturne wolf]

But with a staff of protection, magic users don’t use any health

[gray sand]

I really wish the bloodstone enchantment was heal on kill...

[sage quiver]

This. Why not have some weak early magic that can replace potion usage, etc. An earlier crossbow too.

[gray sand]

Because you'd need to completely change food across all biomes?

[coarse gust]

no need
you would just make scrolls

[fading juniper]

idk how they would even properly balance early magic (if you even think magic is balanced to begin with)

[gray sand]

Magic is OP AF right now.

[fading juniper]

exactly like

[sage quiver]

Not really. Introduce in the swamp with one swamp food that can provide eitr.

[gray sand]

Players: Earlier magic plz.
Devs: Introduce in swamp.
Players: EARLIER MAGIC PLZ.

^ can already predict that.

[tacit crystal]

One change for bloodstone that would be interesting is if bloodstone weapons gained more adrenaline than other weapons.
Original idea from Scales.

[gray sand]

Scales has original ideas? 👀

[coarse gust]

say, you can make a few fireball scroll that deals somewhere between black forrest and swamp tier damage with some leather scraps and a surtling core

[fading juniper]

Earlier magic would either require so much effort its useless, be so bad that its useless, or be so op that it eclipses your other choices.

[sage quiver]

Sure, but that doesn't mean they'll get it. I said swamp because of the progression nothing -> potions -> weak magic and better potions.

[gray sand]

Adding an entire scroll system would be more complicated than adding foods tbh.

[coarse gust]

then its possible, but expensive af until you find a surtling spawner

[tacit crystal]

Well, at least he suggested such during the latest PTB.

[gray sand]

[coarse gust]

just code then as the throwable bombs

new animation is all you really need

[sage quiver]

I don't see the logic of this argument. It would be a style choice to replace potions and/or archery both of which are pretty unavoidable in the current game.

[gray sand]

They never go with PTB suggestions though.
Just look at every fun biome ever being nerfed... 😭

[tacit crystal]

Mistlands PTB was peak.

Brutal seekers.

[gray sand]

The beginning of the casualization era was Mistlands nerf.

[tacit crystal]

Seeker raid had soldiers and could trigger in meadows.

[gray sand]

Seeker combos were fast.

[sage quiver]

To be honest, I'd be happy with PTB seekers but soldier raids at my meadow farm would have been rage-quit bait.

[steel mica]

Ngl I wish different raids happens more in different biomes

[fading juniper]

do we really have other instances of other weapon types existing just to be style choice but otherwise functioning the same as others?

[sage quiver]

Only almost every melee weapon.

[fading juniper]

Every different class of melee weapon has different movesets, and on top of that there are differences in damage types when it comes to spears, swords, maces, etc.

[sage quiver]

Which is what I mean by style choices. Slightly quicker strikes? Different secondary? Different length combos? All good. Until you want to hit something at range, then everyone pulls out the exact same bow.

[coarse gust]

Are you actually implying ashlands is casual friendly at normal difficulty?

[steel mica]

I almost just pissed my pants

getting jumpscared by a bear was not on my bingo card 😭

[sage quiver]

Lol. The first time I fought a bear I was amazed by how many hp it had. It wasn't until the second time that I realized it was healing.

[steel mica]

Bjorn has 800 hp

[sage quiver]

Who is Bjorn?

[tacit crystal]

ID of bear. Björn is bear in Swedish.

[steel mica]

iirc bjorn is bear

yeah that

[sage quiver]

Well, it turns out Bjorn also has a pretty solid recovery rate. My first bear fight, kiting because I was in rags with flint weapons, started at dawn and ended after dark.

[steel mica]

Just use your trusty campfire

[merry pebble]

Do you mean hp regen? All enemies have that at 100% HP per hour. 🙂

[tacit crystal]

Yeah, happened few times. Once got startled by this sight:

[steel mica]

This is literally what happened to me a few minutes ago

[sage quiver]

Are you absolutely sure the bear isn't higher? On my second one, I got off a stealth shot, lost him to deal with a gd nest, then went back to finish him off and he'd recovered more than half of the damage I did.

[steel mica]

Ive been so unlucky with the bear trophy

[merry pebble]

I don't see any reason for one enemy to differ from all the rest of them

[steel mica]

I WANNA FINISH THIS SET PLEASE ODIN

[coarse gust]

The same ashlands where I got attacked by no less than four bonemaws before i made it to a shoreline.
The same ashlands where I ran out of durability on my mistlands maxed Krom fighting my way to a flamemetal ore pillar.
The same ashlands where I finally mined that flamemetal ore and was then promptly attacked by a bunch of skellies, 2 morgens, a one star asksvin, and a fallen valkyrie.
@gray sand

[fading juniper]

Okay, you did mean it as in actual fighting style not 'superficial' style my apologies.

I guess I struggle to see how you can then differentiate it without it either requiring too much or too little effort while cleanly balancing it. Magic as it is requires okay effort once you're at ML, but its very effective. The tradeoff is that if you want to use it most effectively you use weaker armor and have less stamina and health (albeit 2/3rds of this downside is negated with the SoP LOL) I dont know if you can have enough of these elements much earlier in the game without something feeling off. I'd yield to Swamp magic if I can see it well done, (maybe be stingier with magic item distribution so we get 1 staff at most) though I'm skeptical.
I wouldn't want to see any way to sub mead uses with magic, as you mentioned though, I think its perfect and thematic.

[sage quiver]

You don't see a reason or it's confirmed to be not a thing? Not trying to be that guy, but I pay pretty close attention to hp bars. The bear set also gives +hp regen.

[merry pebble]

Compared to ptb ashlands? Yes they are quite a bit easier 😄

[exotic cradle]

Ashlands is supposed to be a hit and run, in small bursts, not fight till all weapons break

[coarse gust]

how do you run from a valkyrie?

[fading juniper]

I wish it was faster I still havent gotten one period lol

[exotic cradle]

with your leggies

[nocturne wolf]

Bears and Viles regenerate full health in 50 minutes instead of 60

[merry pebble]

Ok, So not full hour then

Good to know 😄

[coarse gust]

have you actually tried?

[steel mica]

Those tall grausten structures, use it to lose the valk

[nocturne wolf]

Now I want to find if it’s faster on anything else, I also thought it was always an hour

[sage quiver]

Fair enough. My main gripe is building a character for 5/8 of the game only to abandon all that for magic.

[fading juniper]

have you tried singing 'I need a hero' from shrek 2 softly to yourself? (also using frost arrows may help)

[dusk violet]

What weapon is the best, Northfolk?

[merry pebble]

For what? 😄

[fading juniper]

I love my lightning slayer

[dusk violet]

Just killing stuff.

[exotic cradle]

I mean yeah, they're kinda huge and easy to spot, you can preplan avoiding them

[merry pebble]

In which biome tho

[sage quiver]

Rocket launcher.

[dusk violet]

Don’t mind the biome. Just focus on the use of the weapon.

[coarse gust]

they are not weak to frost nor resistant to pierce...

[fading juniper]

do they not get slowed?

if so my mistake

I usually just kill them bc I like fighting them

[sage quiver]

In personally like the knife a lot. Saves wear and tear on my R key.

[dusk violet]

I love knives.

[merry pebble]

Well over all best weapon for anything Is cheat sword and cheat sledge, but if you just want weapon type then that you will have to find for yourself since everyone likes different things 😄

[coarse gust]

frost doesnt slow it enough to outrun it, at least not with the frost staff.

[vernal pebble]

the bear has a trophy??

does it look nice

[dusk violet]

That’s true.

[nocturne wolf]

The only other creature it’s faster on is TWIG

[coarse gust]

it kind of was not an option with 2 morgens and a starred asksvin also being aggroed by my mining.

[sage quiver]

The battle axe is also very nice, especially now that its progression doesn't end with silver.

[fading juniper]

thats fair

my apologies didnt mean to insinuate 'just kill it lol' moreso explaining why my strategy may not be airtight

[dusk violet]

Question: Why do the devs don’t improve the graphics? I don’t mind because my computer is pretty bad, but still?

[fading juniper]

style

also anything thats not sprite based (and even then its not easy) its like, nightmarish to completely overhaul the visuals

[dusk violet]

That’s true.

[coarse gust]

eh... its not like im actually good at fighting, in any game. i have like 1000 days in survival in valheim. but it doesnt really help beyond knowing somewhat how to prepare and what strategies to use.

[sage quiver]

I personally love valheim graphics.

[fading juniper]

yeah I love the way the game looks

[dusk violet]

Me too.

[fading juniper]

its one of few games I will literally just walk around to sightsee areas

[coarse gust]

it also doesn't help that i play without portals because portals are stupid and sailing is nice.
but that also means dying in ashlands is a huge deal.

[sage quiver]

Right? Or picking just the right build spot so my window views will be awesome.

[merry pebble]

The pixelation as an artstyle they chose, Its what they want do they don't change it 🙂

[fading juniper]

tbh I think the only game I played in years that overhauled its visuals completely is...Necesse, and that is in fact sprite/pixel based

[sage quiver]

That's hardcore. I keep trying to go back to standard portal rules, then I'm sailing my third haul of iron through a storm and I'm like... um... no.

[fading juniper]

like that was in actual dev, not counting full on remakes and remasters

I dont have the time to play w/ no portals

[sage quiver]

7DTD has overhauled its visuals several times and lost performance every time. The general belief is they'll never leave EA.

[fading juniper]

several visual overhauls and still such a dull UI good grief...

[steel mica]

FINALLY A BEAR TROPHY

OH SWEAT LORD ODIN TY

[steel mica]

Trolls are still king when it comes to resources gathering in the early game

[silk token]

i can't mine copper normally anymore with the dodge stamina change, now i just grab my mining buddy and we take turns swinging

[floral sun]

Valheim has beautiful lighting and most of the textures are fine but

damn is deer hide cape ugly. Countable pixels randomly brown or black. I’m glad early capes aren’t worth the slot because that one is hideous af

Put lox hide cape next to it. It looks so fuzzy and nice, a whole different world

[steel mica]

Its not too bad, just be sure to have rested buff and no enemies

[foggy glacier]

Honestly, I never have a problem mining copper. First thing I do is find an edge of the copper node and dig all the way down. Next, just dig out around the whole node; enemies can't reach you when you're 9m down in a hole. If a greydwarf falls in, just shoot him and go back to mining.

[rain flare]

Ashlands ocean theme just rolling in on over my playlist again 🥰

Hoooooo boy! 🤩

[smoky quarry]

tired, cold & wet is the rough way to go

[nocturne pasture]

*But besides that we’re now focusing the team solely on content for the Deep North and 1.0. * what do we estimate here? Spring 2026?

[merry pebble]

No estimates really 🙂

[echo wind]

#NoEstimates 🚀

[merry pebble]

We just dont have the info to even ballpark it 😄

[smoky quarry]

When it`s ready

[steel mica]

I do this everytime but it gets annoying when it doesnt reach the very bottom of the copper vein when you're mining

So I can just pop it

[nocturne pasture]

6 months sounds reasonable but sure its will be a larger update then Bog Witch and Call to arms. I hope for Spring 2026. Thanks.

[neon magnet]

Imagine if you could just tear up some leather into scraps, how much easier it would be to get your early game upgrades 😄

[steel mica]

the item leather is called "leather scraps"

[nocturne wolf]

Leather scrap scraps

[neon magnet]

Fair - I was thinking of tearing up deer hide into leather scraps 🙂 Seems like the game wants me to think hide is the more precious material, but I find it a lot more plentiful

[nocturne wolf]

You can farm boars if you need a lot of leather

[neon magnet]

Yeah... I guess maybe the game is balanced around taming them since it also hints at that early via runestones? Idk.

It's weird how even the "deer tier" workbench upgrade needs more boar scraps than deer hides 😄

[rotund parrot]

It's a good idea once you start a game to just explore the whole meadow, gathering leather scraps, hide, queen bees, mushrooms and berries. Before even building a base

[steel mica]

when you're so zoned in on building you dont realize the rain and its damaging your wooden builds

😭

[neon magnet]

I did 😄 Got like 8 queen bees, a stack and a half of hide and more than a stack each of mushrooms and berries. It's just that spear, shield, bow, axe etc all need scraps for upgrading. 20 extra for the tanning rack.

I think the actual issue is that boars are less visible from distance and just silently walk away a lot of the time if you can't spot them

[nocturne wolf]

Throwing a spear at the floor can get their attention easily

[idle egret]

i save a lot of resources by not upgrading early gear. it gets replaced quickly and upgrades are costly.

[warm sandal]

I never upgrade the flint-axe, never make a stone-axe.. i upgrad the spear though cause I will use it until I get the iron one 😄 and I never make leather anything 😄 can not be bothered to hunt that many deer 😄

[blissful ibex]

need em for the deer sauce

[gray sand]

Me, who upgrades Rag Armor 😁

[blissful ibex]

plus deer are like the most common mob

rather hunt deer than boar. i swear I find almost 0 boar when I'm looking for them, and when I'm not I stumble upon packs of 8 randomly

[gray sand]

I just wish we started the game with pants 😭

[craggy hill]

And when will all heavy armor be upgraded or will an artifact be added that removes the speed debuff?

[merry pebble]

Why would something like that be added?

[steel mica]

no pants 💀

[gray sand]

I upgrade my heavy armor as I build it.
And the lower speed is the balance to the higher armor rating.

[gray sand]

Yes. I want the option to start with pants instead. 😭

[gray sand]

I do think it is BS that only light armor gets set bonuses...

[steel mica]

You have two optins

pants or shirt

[merry pebble]

-# Well, depends if you classify root as "light" or "medium", since while it slows you down less than heavy it still slows you down a bit. Other trully "light" armors dont slow you at all (and one actually speeds you up)

[steel mica]

[gray sand]

Yes. Give me this option.

[gray sand]

Root is light because we have no medium armor class.
And it is simpler to call it an exception in light armor than to make a new class that has only 1 member.

[steel mica]

Most would just make a box and call it a day

but when I get access to corewood I just remake the base that gets me all the way to plains

[manic arrow]

Hey. So me and my friend just picked up the game (at the third boss now, the blob thingy lol) and we're wanting to build a really cool base as we usually do in games. But we're wondering if it'd be smarter to wait with building something big, until we're a bit further? In terms of cool biome to build in but also just materials. Because currently we really just have the very basic stuff and yeah. So would it be smarter to wait, or is it not rlly worth?

[summer hinge]

You'll unlock stone in the plains biome, so I personally suggest waiting to build really grand until then

[chrome badge]

I suppose it depends on who you're asking in terms of biome, but you can always upgrade structures with no real net losses besides time. 👍

[merry pebble]

In 5th biome you will unlock cool new wood type and in the 2 biomes after that you will unlock LOADS of new cool build pieces 😄

[manic arrow]

Biomes have an order?

[merry pebble]

Ehm... Stone is from swamps 😄

[merry pebble]

Yep 🙂

[chrome badge]

Yes, that's why bosses typically drop items that help in the following biome

[summer hinge]

I thought the stonecutter came from plains?

[nocturne wolf]

It's made with iron

[merry pebble]

Nono, you need iron for it 😄

[summer hinge]

Shows how outdated I am XD

[merry pebble]

No worries, we got you xD

[summer hinge]

It 100% used to be plains looool

[merry pebble]

Hmm. Maybe in beta 🤔

[manic arrow]

How does that work, cant I already go into any biome technically?

[summer hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[nocturne wolf]

You can but the enemies will be too strong and some resources will be unusable or unobtainable

[merry pebble]

You can, but they will most likely be way to hard for you to survive in 🙂

[chrome badge]

Sure, but you'll be missing crucial pieces to navigating the biome, which is why there's an order.

[manic arrow]

ah, yea thats fair

okay, thanks everyone!

[civic stirrup]

I think the only ones you actually need to kill are moder and the queen (to build the endgame boat)

[gray sand]

Drak isn't even needed to reach Ashlands though.

[civic stirrup]

The rest could be skipped with difficulty

[civic stirrup]

Fair

[gray sand]

It should be. Plz increase Ashlands water temp by 500%.

[civic stirrup]

That wouldn't help, watched someone do a no boat run, they just wore the feather cape, found a tall mountain and got a golem to yeet them far enough that they landed on a spike and they bridged from there

[nocturne wolf]

If someone has a feather cape they at least did mistlands progression. This would stop skipping to ashlands from much earlier biomes.

[civic stirrup]

Wait how early are people going there 👀

[gray sand]

Some people go there first.

[civic stirrup]

How?!

[gray sand]

They have mad Scales.

[civic stirrup]

Talk about speed running

[gray sand]

If they add shovels to the game we can have spade running 😏

[near saddle]

how difficult is it, really?

it would be really funny to have a stone portal for the plains

[steel mica]

challenge, no feather cape

[gray sand]

Not very. You just need to make it to the first stone finger. Then you can hop out and repair whenever to make it the rest of the way.

[eager bough]

I simply fall too much building alone

[near saddle]

won't bonemaw eat it too quickly?

[gray sand]

I hate the stone fingers. Idk why they were added.

[steel mica]

stone fingers?

[near saddle]

is that something added after the initial release?

[gray sand]

If you're slowing down enough to be chomped that is on you.

[near saddle]

I mean the spikes are somewhat problematic to sail around

[gray sand]

Longship is faster and more maneuverable than drakkar so it is less of a problem.

[near saddle]

good point

[pliant radish]

Bring moder for sure

[gray sand]

Remove the fingers and just increase water temp 🤷‍♂️

[civic stirrup]

Eh that would mess up the Dday vibe

[manic arrow]

How good is the bear armour and weapon compared to a bronze set and e.g. bronze spear?

[nocturne wolf]

Bronze armor isn't worth the price. The defense isn't much higher than troll or bear armor and it's the only set from that biome which slows you. I haven't used the bear paw weapon much so I don't know how good it is.

If you want the best defense without physical weakness and without being slowed, make two bear armor pieces and one troll armor piece.

[manic arrow]

wouldnt full bear be better then though because of the set bonus? It seems really good if you just dodge

How quickly do bears respawn? Apparently one 1 can be in a black forest at a time

[light moat]

Bear armor is extremely good, even when considering the weakness it gives.

[nocturne wolf]

They won't spawn if there's one already near the player but they respawn much faster than trolls

[gray sand]

Worth is subjective to the individual.

Sincerely, a bronze armor enjoyer.

[unborn acorn]

Devs must be really happy that everything is going well. Bet they're gonna be really excited to release the game fully

[shy marlin]

Lmao bronze armor enjoyer spotted 😂 😂 😂

Look at this guy moving at -10% movement speed

[gray sand]

Best helmet in the game.

[nocturne wolf]

Not midsummer crown?

[gray sand]

Look at this guy playing the game in the wrong order

[nocturne wolf]

You really think all the bronze is worth it for -10% movespeed and only 4 more defense than bear+troll armor?

[gray sand]

Worth is subjective to the individual.
And resources are infinite 🤷‍♂️

[shy marlin]

😔 it’s impossible for me to play the game normally

[gray sand]

Don't make fun of my armor choices and I won't make fun of your gameplay choices. 👍

[chrome badge]

Bronze armor looks nice, so there's that 😛

[shy marlin]

🤙 playful banter is cool

[near saddle]

YOU?? BRONZE ARMOR?

the only valid use of bronze armor is if there are too many players in multiplayer and not enough trolls to provide for armor

[gray sand]

Wow...

Ondar | H8r

[chrome badge]

I mean, Bronze is perfectly fine, you can somewhat mitigate the downside by running around naked outside of combat, and a cart full of tin/copper can easily net enough for a set and then some.

[near saddle]

both armors provide effectively the same armor value, while troll armor doesn't have the movement penalty

disregarding the movement penalty, troll armor is just easier to get

[heady parcel]

I love the bronze armor, but I haven't used it in a while, I tend to have the blue suit upgraded a few levels before I have bronze enough to consider it, at that point I figure I might just wait and go for the iron armour. But I'm definitely a heavy armour enjoyer...

[gray sand]

Easier is rng based. I have had runs where I've had upgraded bronze armor before seeing a second troll.

[near saddle]

so in MP, it's just a question of which armor(s) are faster to obtain, run around and hunt trolls or dig a whole copper vein

[near saddle]

yes, that's valid

if I had bad luck with trolls, I would consider it then, but that hasn't happened yet

[gray sand]

Pick which one is "valid" then. Because both cannot be true.

[chrome badge]

Also, Trolls can gift you all the copper you need if you just hang out with one for a while.

[heady parcel]

Boisterous types they are

[near saddle]

to generalize/correct my statement, it's valid to get bronze armor only if it's faster to obtain than troll armor, which requires either really bad luck or having too many players in MP

[gray sand]

So having a personal preference in a video game is no longer a valid thing? 🤔

[near saddle]

nuh uh

[heady parcel]

When you get down to it, anything is valid as long as the person who makes the thing and uses it likes it and it works for them

[chrome badge]

I think using the word valid in this case come across as incorrect 😛

[near saddle]

almost as if what I'm saying is my opinion and not a fact

[rotund parrot]

It's not about speed is it, since you can spend your time doing either

[gray sand]

You're infringing on my 2.5 amendment right to own, keep, and wear armor 😭😏😉

[light moat]

Could slap a utility bonus to bronze armor to make it more worthwhile maybe? Reduced stamina cost for chopping (or axe skill in general, maybe that’s too much) pickaxe. Reduced carry weight for ore maybe? Idk

[chrome badge]

Definitely an opinion, but you're implying something is invalid unless xyz, which funnily enough invalidates the point being made.

[near saddle]

indeed, but you might consider it more fun to do one or the other (hunt or mine)

[chrome badge]

Well said

[near saddle]

Where I live, amendments and whatnot concern bottle caps and workplace safety 😛

[supple solstice]

I think ondar is just saying that metal armors are generally worse due to being harder to get/upgrade and generally performing worse than lighter armors, which is pretty much true for the entire game except in a few instances

[gray sand]

OSHA added feather cape for workplace safety and you cannot convince me otherwise.

[chrome badge]

Don't worry we understand 😛

[supple solstice]

I think metal armors desperately need some sort of bonus

[near saddle]

this case applies specifically to bronze armor

[rotund parrot]

For me I hunt trolls while also gathering other resources and mapping out the black forest so I'll have a level 2 troll armor before I even have a smelter

[supple solstice]

yea but I think it extends well beyond it

[near saddle]

the difference in armor values becomes more pronounced in later biomes

but it's negligible for troll vs. bronze, so the metal armor doesn't have the typical benefit of more armor while having a movement penalty

[gray sand]

It has drip value 😭

[near saddle]

I only use metal armors (except for fenris pants) afterwards

[supple solstice]

it does look nice

[near saddle]

mage armors have drip, I have to agree

[gray sand]

Mixing armor pieces 🤢

[supple solstice]

I don't see why it would stop at bronze armor, it is pretty much a universal issue unless you are a armor mix-matcher in which case you get the best of both worlds

[near saddle]

wdym stop at bronze armor

[supple solstice]

metal armors being worse

[chrome badge]

The balance becomes clearer, but the damage/food stats also take a large jump, allowing for armor stats to have some more wiggle room.

[supple solstice]

I think metal armors should get some sort of additional block/stagger bonus (beyond simple defense that is)

[near saddle]

quality 3 BF armors are 39 vs 33 armor, quality 3 swamp armors are 57 vs 39, quality 3 mountain armors are 75 vs 45
the difference is 6, 18 and 30 armor respectively

[supple solstice]

but it should be a set bonus to stop those gosh darned armor mix matchers

[near saddle]

nuh uh 😛

fenris pant mistlands forever

[supple solstice]

yes but the bonuses only get better and better

[near saddle]

yeah well naturally the light armors are offensive while heavy armors are defensive

[supple solstice]

and you are ignoring pierce resistance on root armor, which gives you a huge bonus against many enemies

[supple solstice]

well it should be that way, but really the best defense is not getting hit, which is muche easier when you aren't slower than a slug

[rotund parrot]

If im playing any difficulty above normal I'll likely try to maximise my armor and resistance. So it doesn't become a no hit run, there's so many better places to gain speed and efficiency than just moving slightly faster

[supple solstice]

I would argue it's much more impactful than slightly faster, which beyond just speed also means you'll generally have more stamina

not to mention certain resistances (like pierce) are far better than just armor

but there are many ways to play, I just wish metal armors had a slight extra push to really make it a defensive playstyle, especially as a set

[heady parcel]

They could use a slight armour buff at the very least. Setting aside personal preference, the bronze armour is not that much stronger than troll (of the same upgrade level) that it makes much of a difference when it comes to actual damage mitigation. That makes it hard to motivate using all those mats to craft it, even for me who prefers heavy armour. Full troll set (not counting the cape) lvl 1 is 18 armor, full bronze lvl 1 is 24. That is a whopping difference of 6 armor. It's simply not enough imo. And the difference stays at 6 armor, so the bronze gets relatively weaker compared to troll the more mats you put into it...

[neon magnet]

I'm totally not procrastinating building the actual thing. All those piles of logs will definitely come in handy

[rotund parrot]

The thing is 6 more armor can negate 50% of the damage

[heady parcel]

That's not how the mitigation works if I remember right, it is not a straight reduction

[nocturne wolf]

6 more armor would only be enough to half 12 damage taken if you're comparing it from 0, but the other sets have more armor than that.

[supple solstice]

I would rather it be a set bonus to give an incentive to use the full set, which there is currently absolutely none even if you like heavy armors (mix match is objectively better)

[rotund parrot]

I was not

[nocturne wolf]

If you take 12 damage with 18 armor (full troll), the base damage would have been around 29.5
With 24 armor (full bronze) you would take around 9 damage from the same attack

[chrome badge]

I think set bonuses are in a good place, but the hinderances the heavy armors themselves provide could have a slight ramping up alongside the armor differentials.

6 armor difference compared to others full upgraded? -5% movement bonus 😛

[light moat]

The movement speed penalty is quite a harsh hit on bronze armor 🤔

[supple solstice]

well I think the problem is that metal armors just straight up dont have set bonuses, and if they added them it would incentivize using them as full sets instead of mix-matching and also make them a bit more comparable to lighter armors, which I think would be an improvement

[chrome badge]

I think set bonuses being reserved for medium/light armors is a good reason for them to even be considered, breaking that logic with all sets having them could be a problem.

[fossil delta]

The key difference is shields, not armor values. I use tower shields, and when I block, my armor value rarely matters. At least as far as those values go between the values of the different sets. I take little to no damage, regardless of what armor I am wearing. So as long as I successfully block, I don't care which armor I am wearing. So during the black forest phase of the game, I am fine with just troll armor. Besides with how the two crafting tables progress, we are kept at only a 6 point difference. So again, with the tower shields, I don't care about that 6 point difference. It only matters when I get surprise hits, or hit because I am taking on too many enemies at the same time. So fail to block all the attacks.

[supple solstice]

the set bonuses would be minor as I said earlier, and just lean into the defensive playstyle heavy armors are supposed to have... light armors would still be more offensive with more substantial "buffs"

the problem with just not having a set bonus at all is that it incentvizes the armor mix matching, which I just think is ugly and it is also sad there is no real reason to go full metal armor

[chrome badge]

I don't think it's sad, it's a level of nuance that offers preference to all types of players imo

[dusk violet]

When will this game ends his early access career?

[supple solstice]

I mean you can still do it lol, it just no longer becomes the obvious best option

[fossil delta]

I go full metal armor, eventually, because I want equal protection versus all weapon types. Not just piercing, etc... Besides, again, with shields, if your successfully blocking, in my case, or parrying, you don't have to care nearly as much about armor values, or special protections. Your not getting hurt by it, regardless, with your shield. Again, as long as your successfully blocking, or parrying, all attacks.

Armor only matters to me when I cannot block all the attacks.

[chrome badge]

Does it matter? Imagine we didn't get to play it early 😮

[fossil delta]

So eventually I will go with the best armor values I can get.

[dusk violet]

Yeah, I guess so.

[dusk violet]

I didn’t want to complain, but I really question myself why there is still early access.

[supple solstice]

yea, with the shields or kiting i can fight without getting actually hit… in which case i would prefer to be faster and with offensive buffs as opposed to being slow and having to upgrade an armor with metal

[chrome badge]

I mean, GTA 6 has been in development for over 8 years, it's an artistic process, with an indie studio like this, the funds behind it are limited and they must move precisely into developing things.

[supple solstice]

on the contrary, if there were a set bonus for metal armors that played into blocking/parrying to a greater degree, it would be an actual incentive to go full metal in certain situations whilst keeping the armor’s identity

[dusk violet]

But Valheim is still better!

[light moat]

Liking your line of thinking 🤔

[fossil delta]

We are now less slow in the heavy armors. So that speed difference just really comes down to personal perception. Even with the higher penalties, I have always moved well enough. Its just nice that I can now chase down certain creatures even with my wall shield up. Fulings, in particular, since they have always been the most annoying to me. Especially their spear throwers.

[dusk violet]

Because of the kind and awesome community!

[tiny mortar]

whats the highest fish size? 4 right?

[light moat]

5

[fossil delta]

I thought it was a 5.

[tiny mortar]

oh, thanks

just caught a 4 size anglerfish after so long of baiting it

guy ate all my bait

[chrome badge]

Lucky I have only ever found a size 3

[tiny mortar]

gonna be nice on the wall, though

[fossil delta]

I usually only "catch" the larger sizes because I find them on the ground.

[supple solstice]

idk, i would disagree, but as I said there are many different play styles and i’m glad you enjoy playing with the metal armors… i’m just moreso wishing there was some small set bonus for the reasons I stated before. Armor mix matching is fine if you want to do it, but i think every armor should have some reason to rock it in its entirety, especially armor that actively slows you down

and i think the defensive bonuses with regards to shields is a great way to accomplish that

it would also indirectly make harder difficulties more fun :D

[fossil delta]

I like the full metal armors because I want the all around protection from all sources of damage, for when I cannot block it. I don't care so much about piercing, because I can normally block it. I only care when I cannot block it. So I do not value pierce resistance like so many others appear to, because I can count on my blocking it.

[tiny mortar]

WOOAH ANGLERFISH THINGY IS A LIGHTSOURCE?

[fossil delta]

I don't even care about getting the seepent shield.

[tiny mortar]

thats so cool

[fossil delta]

Yep.

Not a great one, but it is a cool looking one.

[tiny mortar]

epic, gonna have a nice view above my cooking station now

now just to get a serpent and bear trophy...

[fossil delta]

Heh, thats why I put dragon eggs above my spice rack.

They are a decent light source too.

The elder keys are the brightest, though. At least from what I remember. With the yellow mushrooms probably being a close second.

The Elders eyes are much more brighter than I remember them being years ago. So I will have to play around with using him as lighting too.

[heady parcel]

Heh, capture the Elder in a pen by the coast and use him as a lighthouse

[fossil delta]

He wouldn't reliably look out to sea. Besides, the bon fires still seem to be the best at that. Especially when I use two or more.

It also seems to make them more effective when I put them up on elevated platforms. I usually go with 9+ meters.

[tiny mortar]

can core and fine wood still be used for coal?

[fossil delta]

Yep.

[tiny mortar]

hell yeah

[fossil delta]

Accidentally did fine wood a few days ago, and very intentionally used core yesterday.

[tiny mortar]

just deforested the local black forest and got a lot of corewood, burning it all down to coal now!

also how rare are bear trophies

[fossil delta]

Pretty much why I was burning core wood yesterday. I was deforesting the black forest just outside of my meadows base.

Depends on how many bears you kill. I have 12 trophies.

[tiny mortar]

i have none, killed like 4 or 5?

[fossil delta]

I'd guess I have killed close to 200 bears by now. Definitely over 150.

Similar numbers for golems. I have only 1 golem trophy, but tons of crystals.

Been feeding bear hides and meat to the obliterator for a while now.

So Thor has been happy.

[tiny mortar]

ah so pretty rare then

[pliant radish]

I got the vile trophy first try lol

Bear trophy though definitely took me an average amount of grinding

[fossil delta]

Supposedly 10%, but I hear the golem trophy is supposedly similar, but it not, as far as actual results have gone.

RNG is fickle.

Too fickle. They need to fudge those numbers.

I'm tired of fighting golems and bears.

[tiny mortar]

i got the vile trophy relatively fast too

anyways gonna explore my starter island now, apparently some unexplored meadows wehre hildir could be

[pliant radish]

Common solutions are to keep it random but scale the chance by how many times you’ve tried or to guarantee a drop by some number of kills

[tiny mortar]

at what range do the trader icons spawn in on the map?

[fossil delta]

Not sure. I think its 64 meters. Thats also the range for taming.

I'd still check the wiki.

Its big enough I only run the perimeter of an island to check for them.

[merry pebble]

64 meters is size of one chunk, i think they appear once you are within few chunks of them 🤔

[fossil delta]

Yeah, like I said, its big enough I only run the perimeter of an island.

[pliant radish]

I heard 300 but idk where or how

[fossil delta]

I used to only sail, but I missed one that way. So now I always run it.

[merry pebble]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Haldor#Location
"...can happen from 320 to 453 meters away (about twice of the default minimap range)..."

[fossil delta]

That is way bigger than I would have used numbers for. You would think sailing would always be good enough with a distance that far, but if Haldor is near a mountain... Well, I missed his location once. So I have always ran islands ever since.

Besides, you don't get run or jump to 100 by sitting in boats.

[tiny mortar]

thanks!

[civic stirrup]

Then there's me that just wears the leather armor until I get iron armor

Time to mess around on discord while I wait for my flowers to grow

I really hope we can get some more plantables and such once we hit 1.0

I swear I spend most of my time base building

[sly oyster]

Okay so I kinda understand people hating sailing, vanilla sailing is pretty bad

I just made 4 trips in two different directions to and from. Each time the wind shifted against me right at the start

This is why we use odinship plus and sailing

[gray sand]

?

[heady parcel]

I love sailing just the way it is

[sly oyster]

I prefer having to sail places, but sailing doesn't cooperate like 90% of the time

[chrome badge]

I enjoy sailing a lot, it's not exactly meant to be a whole lot more than A to B.

You'll unlock a way to prevent the wind from being such a bother as well.

[gray sand]

Ok but what is odinship and why do we need it?

[merry pebble]

Mod 🙂

[sly oyster]

It's just more ships

[gray sand]

Oh... excuse me while I vomit uncontrollably.

[civic stirrup]

Idk, I think its just skill issue
Don't have any issues, especially if you know how to sail into the wind

[sly oyster]

Yeah more variety induces anxiety

The horror

[gray sand]

@merry pebble don't ❓ me, you know full well that mods make me 🤢

[sly oyster]

Sailing just adds a sailing skill, so you know, get better at sailing as you sail more

[civic stirrup]

I mean I'd love for a ship rework, add some more ship identity rather than starter, better and best

[merry pebble]

And thats what i dont understand, i dont use them either and dont think they are necessary, but why over react like this?

[gray sand]

What you see as OVER reacting I see as a baseline response 🤷‍♂️

[chrome badge]

Sev was definitely just joking a bit as well 😛

[heady parcel]

Sail styles and putting shields on the long ship are popular suggestions in the suggestions channel I think, might be something we see in the future. I'd like the drakkar to be a wee bit more manouverable, it's like trying to steer a lump of concrete

[gray sand]

It's like telling someone who is allergic to cats their sneeze is an overreaction 🤷‍♂️

[gray sand]

Build portal on Drak when? 👀

[sly oyster]

Its okay if you don't wanna use mods, but more content isnt a really abad thing. Most of the mods are crazy fun and people's passion projects so they are well fleshed out

[maiden tartan]

You are overreacting

[gray sand]

Keep believing that 👍

[chrome badge]

I'll just never understand modding a game in early access, why become accustomed to changes made outside of development, only for them to potentially break or even corrupt a save file when a patch drops.

[maiden tartan]

Valheim has many debatable things to the game and some mods tend to help people who have problems with said things

[heady parcel]

Bloody bears, got coffers ful of skins, meat and paws, but I have a grand total of one trophy.

[gray sand]

Killed 99 bears but a trophy drop none? 🎶

[merry pebble]

You are not the only one not in RNGzuses favour it seems 😄

[maiden tartan]

Bear helmet is too big ngl

Looks kinda wonky

[chrome badge]

Early access is about addressing these problems with feedback though, the amount of feedback lessens drastically if people just download a solution.

[maiden tartan]

Most of the things I didn’t like got uhh

Negatively responded to by the rest of the community

When I addressed them

[chrome badge]

The community aren't developing the game though, there were people adamant that bears won't come not long ago.

[maiden tartan]

So mods tend to help

Speaking of things I don’t like

2 handed hammers

[barren whale]

bro i bet this is derek's alt lmfao

[maiden tartan]

So, who’s derek

[merry pebble]

-# And one of us was a dev xD

[gray sand]

Devs never change their minds 😏

[maiden tartan]

I think they need a slight rework or something idk

[chrome badge]

I wish I could believe that, but the amount of feedback were likely missing out on is just making issues you yourself might want helped along, seem less important.

[gray sand]

They should have normal swings and their current attack should be their mmb. Just my opinion.

[maiden tartan]

A wonderful opinion

Rn 2 handed hammers are rather.. bad

[gray sand]

Demolisher slaps in Ashlands but that is about it.

[barren whale]

i kinda think of them as tools more main than weapons

[heady parcel]

Agreed, I thought they were bugged first time I used them, couldn't believe that ME SMASH thing was all you could do with them

[barren whale]

demolisher slaps because its AOE radius is the size of a helldivers 500kg

i use that shit to harvest barley

[light moat]

Yeah I was little disappointed by the 2 handed clubs 🤔

[chrome badge]

2 handed hammers have always felt like a non-option for myself, and the gimmick with underground indicators only really helps that along 😛

[maiden tartan]

They are underwhelming and honestly not that good
Demolisher seems like a nice one but the rest…

[heady parcel]

Now in fairness their construction makes it the realistic option, you can't really swing a club that big efficiently in combat. But Valheim and realism was not really ever a thing eh

[maiden tartan]

Which is honestly not worth it

Hammering a graveyard in meadows for an hour to find a single chest isn’t very efficient

[gray sand]

You can't really carry 400kg efficiently during combat either but... 😉

[heady parcel]

Indeed

[maiden tartan]

Remember guys, Viking magic

[heady parcel]

Hell yeah

[gray sand]

Magic OP.

[barren whale]

i would be happy to see sledges get an attack chain
but realistically it would be a lot worse than even the battleaxe one
take like 5 full seconds to do a 3 hit combo

[light moat]

Would rather their current attack be their secondary. And the primary be some sort of chainable attacks.

[maiden tartan]

Atgeirs are incredible and I really wanna convince my friend that they slap

[chrome badge]

The atgeir secondary seems like it'd suit a 2h hammer as well, not sure how I'd implement that though

[maiden tartan]

But he seems to dislike them

[barren whale]

keep in mind how much a sledge normal combo would shitstomp blobs, oozers, and golems

[maiden tartan]

Cuz of stamina

[barren whale]

stagbreaker/iron sledge would become mandatory in early game

[maiden tartan]

Sledgehammer requires flesh of Ymir and 30 iron to craft so

[barren whale]

it would still be almost mandatory on casual playthroughs

[maiden tartan]

Iron mace

[gray sand]

Introduce him to tasty mead. Stamina will never be a problem.

[maiden tartan]

Atgeirs

[maiden tartan]

He seems to dislike this one too

[barren whale]

yea bronze/iron mace is currently mandatory
maybe it'd be nice to shake it up

[maiden tartan]

I tried

[heady parcel]

Dangit I hate this, went to scavenge wood because I needed wood, now that I have the wood I forgot what I needed it for

[gray sand]

So he just dislikes good things.
What's next, he hates puppies and kittens?

[barren whale]

what does he actually main

[maiden tartan]

Actually
Can we do something to Bonemass?

Maces feel so forced on during Iron Age

[gray sand]

Me, who builds bronze armor but completely skips bronze mace every single run, hearing that bronze mace is "mandatory"

[maiden tartan]

You can deal with oozers and blobs just fine but Bonemass

[merry pebble]

Not really, just makes bonemass easier

[gray sand]

Killing Bonemass with a spear is so rewarding.

[maiden tartan]

Speaking of spears

Spears need some kind of rework ngl

[barren whale]

if you wanna stab bonemass to death be my guest
im pretty sure it'd be faster to use a wood club

[gray sand]

Why are you trying to rework the fastest attack speed in the game?

[dark gulch]

Yo guys! I need help locating a mod. Does anyone remember a mod that would add a different type of Copper deposit in the black forest? It looks like a pile of rocks, but copper.

[maiden tartan]

I don’t like the secondary

[gray sand]

#mods-discussion

[barren whale]

spear attack combo is actually lower dps than all other weapons because it doesn't have a x2 at the end

yes you get slightly more dmg upfront but that's about it

[maiden tartan]

Also pierce damage

[barren whale]

😂

[gray sand]

Spear doesn't have an attack combo.

[barren whale]

yes that's what i said

[gray sand]

That's why it has the fastest attspd in the game.

[maiden tartan]

pierce damage

[barren whale]

it does not btw, knives are faster
a gemmed knife is gonna break shit in deep north

[maiden tartan]

Why is everything resistant to pierce

[barren whale]

berserker axes are also faster per hit but its backloaded

[gray sand]

No, you said "the spear attack combo is actually"
Which is quite different than "spears do not have an attack combo"

[barren whale]

bro has never seen a list of 1 item

[gray sand]

We are not related.

[maiden tartan]

That’s just sad

[barren whale]

everything is resistant to pierce because irongate made bows OP and didn't know how to enforce at least some melee usage during boss fights as a skill check

[maiden tartan]

And now atgeirs and spears suffer

Yippieyay

[gray sand]

Bows by their nature make themselves OP.
That's why we invented them IRL.

[maiden tartan]

At least atgeirs have Himminafl so

[barren whale]

atgeir is doing alright i think
its just not optimal for boss fights

never has been, it's a crowd stomping weapon

[maiden tartan]

Until crowds have pierce resistances too

[barren whale]

that's why there's no flametal atgeir

[heady parcel]

Also the I-win stick vs big burly things like lox or trolls

[barren whale]

meanwhile for bosses or strong enemies you want sword and board (or club and board)

[maiden tartan]

Tbf Himminafl is incredible

[barren whale]

it makes me sad about spears tbh
caveman vs mammoth type shit

[gray sand]

Not all bosses resist pierce.

[barren whale]

yeah just the last 3 of 7

[maiden tartan]

Eikthyr isn’t even a boss

[gray sand]

Also the "and board" part is only since latest update because previously shielding bosses was pointless.

Nerd emote replies... classic sign of maturity.

[barren whale]

aren't you like a literal child

[gray sand]

No.

[maiden tartan]

Weren’t you “vomiting” at a mention of mods 10 mins ago

[gray sand]

Always.

[barren whale]

anyway the problem with spears is that they're good damage but the secondary is unusable in group situations
and kinda unusable in single player too tbh

[maiden tartan]

Good luck if you miss your spear

[gray sand]

Unusable? Sounds like a scale issue.

[merry pebble]

Also Elder doesent resist, same Moder 🙂

[barren whale]

would be nice to have an actual attack combo instead of like
toddler stabbing things with a pencil vibe

[gray sand]

Now we have graduated to CLOWNS.

[maiden tartan]

Spear secondary attack is terrible

Why would I wanna throw my spear away

[gray sand]

It's like a 2.5x multiplier. I don't see how that is terrible.

[maiden tartan]

Imagine throwing your spear on a mountain and missing

[barren whale]

2.5x ???? bro lmao

its 1.5

[gray sand]

Still not related.

[azure yacht]

he literally is

[maiden tartan]

What a wonderful secondary attack

[maiden tartan]

A greydwarf brute is more threatening

[frigid gust]

Spear throw is great for surprise attacks, but it's not really useful for heated combat

[maiden tartan]

You can beat him up with fists

[smoky quarry]

throw spear then pull out another weap. Its a mid range weap

[azure yacht]

irrelevant. It's labeled as a boss, therefore he's a boss

[gray sand]

So for 2 (including Mistlands) biomes I don't throw it. Still good in all other biomes 🤷‍♂️

[maiden tartan]

I didn’t mean it literally

[barren whale]

i think the issue is spears are fundamentally not a 1 handed weapon when used correctly
so you have the goofy ass 1h "combo" attack chain because they combined the idea of a javelin (for throwing) and a spear (for thrusting)

[gray sand]

On many enemies the throw can stagger. So you just throw it while approaching and pick it up when you get to them for the bonus damage.

On others it gets them close so you throw, pick up, hit once and they are staggered.

[maiden tartan]

Would be kinda cool if spear secondary was a leg swipe

[barren whale]

the throw is mainly useful as an extra-long range attack but the 1.5x multiplier makes it shit dps

picking it up and re-equipping it is a total UI nightmare

[gray sand]

You mean putting it in slot one so it automatically equips is a nightmare?

[heady parcel]

I love how personal preference rules in Valheim, there is no cookie-cutter "build" that everyone uses because it outclasses everything else. 👌🏽

[barren whale]

tbh if they just made it so the secondary were spammable
by disabling autopickup for other players, and making you re-equip it to the same slot on pickup

i think spears would actually be in a pretty good place
it would be clunky bows for people with low bow skill who don't want to craft arrows every day

[frigid gust]

It would be nice if it could "block" that slot so it can't be filled with auto pickup materials. Then there's the multiplayer issue of picking up someone else's weapon.

[barren whale]

then you get to mistlands and suddenly everyone is a one-trick fireball chucker 😔

[gray sand]

No?

[shy marlin]

Well and then there’s the atgeir

[heady parcel]

Never played magic, I built the staff, tried it, hated it, never used it again 😄

[gray sand]

The only time I use magic is when I am doing a vegetarian food run.

[barren whale]

no obviously autopicking 1 stone from the ground into slot 1 is a skill issue

[gray sand]

Scale issue, but yes.

[heady parcel]

I mean min-maxers and theorycrafters can always figure out a certain combo that performs a wee percentage better than anything else, but it is of precious little use in Valheim to be fair, peple go with what they like more than what they hear is best, that's what I love.

[gray sand]

People should go with what they like. But we have so many "what is best" questions every day 😭

[heady parcel]

Aye - but they get a hundred different answers from a hundred different players haha

[barren whale]

that's mostly from regular valheim combat not really requiring minmaxed loadouts to do
it is an "easy" game in that sense, the difficulty is more about not dying and knowing how to get your shit back if you do

if you crank up the difficulty, people are pushed to minmax to meet the bar

[gray sand]

@shy marlin is no armor no food on Very Hard the new min-maxing?

[heady parcel]

Yeah, but to be honest the higher difficulties aren't that interesting when discussing the game's balance since they haven't even tried to balance them yet

I'm hoping for some more modifiers to fiddle with in the world modifiers, I don't want mobs to move faster or do absurd amounts of damage, but I would like to see ways to increase spawns, higher chance of starred enemies and so on

[barren whale]

yea devs balance entirely to the regular mode gameplay
because players aren't being stressed too hard, they have the freedom to choose suboptimal loadouts and have fun because they can still get through everything no problem

[gray sand]

Move faster 😁 imagine greylings zooming around on ratatosk potion with their current pathfinding ai

[heady parcel]

The horror

[barren whale]

when the difficulty gets pushed some of this starts to fall apart

[gray sand]

Hard and VH are both just "same strategy but it takes longer"

[barren whale]

the greyling ai deliberately makes them run around aimlessly so they do pretty well when the speed is cranked up
they just overshoot you and circle around, its quite hard to track actually

[shy marlin]

I’m doing no food no metal no armor, currently in swamp

[barren whale]

nah in normal diff you can kinda just facetank things and parry
both of which aren't really an option on hard/vh

[gray sand]

I knew it. Upping difficulty pushes people to minmax to meet the bar!

[gray sand]

Facetank and roll does the same thing just slower.

[barren whale]

kid is trying to use your challenge run to prove some point about general player behavior lmao

[gray sand]

Incorrect assumptions about age are also a classic.

[shy marlin]

I need to find another game rather than keep doing these random obscure valheim challenges 3 people know about😭

[barren whale]

hey man i saw your foodless fader clips and thought it was cool

[shy marlin]

Count is at 4!

It’s fun tho no hit is really engaging so idk

[barren whale]

did you run out of fromsoft games

[shy marlin]

I’ve never played a souls game

I really should

[barren whale]

damn wtf
you should definitely try it

[supple solstice]

DS2 is the goat

[barren whale]

i think that's where most nohit enthusiasts go because the boss patterns are a lot more elaborate and polished compared to valheim

[gray sand]

24? That's a bit number 😏

[shy marlin]

e^(4!) is an even bigger number

[supple solstice]

im actually surprised to hear scales hasn't played any fromsoft, seems like the type of game he'd enjoy

elden ring dlc final boss is the exact type of brutality I love

[shy marlin]

I used to be big on mmo raiding (wow, ff14 and gw2 getting wfs in ff14 and gw2) then I saw valheim in 2021 and got hooked lol

[supple solstice]

when i see gw2 i think of garden warfare 2 lmfao

ik you mean guild wars tho

[shy marlin]

Yea guild wars

[pliant radish]

Same…

[shy marlin]

Guild wars 1 was peak

[supple solstice]

never played any mmo tbh

[barren whale]

👀 interesting
i'm mostly still here because i found a big mmo-ified valheim server made by wow vets
never played mmos myself though

[supple solstice]

unless you count trove

[gray sand]

I tried FF14 but that was at the same time SWtOR was out and Star Wars won for me.

[supple solstice]

i will never forgive SWtOR for ruining Revan's lore from KOTOR 2

[shy marlin]

I tried Star Wars and just couldn’t get into it

[gray sand]

Foundry ending for him was fine.
Shadow of Revan expansion was BS in multiple ways.

[gray sand]

A man of unrefined taste.
Makes sense with all the Berserk mead you drink

[supple solstice]

Mainly I hate the whole "brainwashed" thing, since in KOTOR 2 Kreia explains how Revan turned out of necessity, uniting the galaxy militarily against a greater threat at the expense of his own soul (so to speak). Brainwashing is way lamer...

[shy marlin]

Hey berserker mead has more flavor and kick then tasty

[barren whale]

you don't double fist both? 👀

[shy marlin]

All the blueberries go to speed mead

[barren whale]

true

[shy marlin]

If unlimited resources sure both are great

[nocturne wolf]

Berserker mead + ashen cape for 0% attack stamina then use tasty mead to get increased stamina regeneration while attacking enemies

[supple solstice]

just use 2x resources and go outside for 10 minutes

[gray sand]

Fair. I mean I bought the story of Vitiate sending multiple waves to soften everything up.

But then they ruined Vitiate as the game went on so....

[supple solstice]

Yea, not a huge fan of the lore from SWtOR, but I've heard the game itself is fun

I just love KOTOR 1 / 2 too much

[barren whale]

i think they patched that, I don't regen stam when attacking with berserker + ask set 😔

[shy marlin]

You can’t regen stam while in the process of attacking something

[supple solstice]

not with that attitude

[barren whale]

very reasonable

[nocturne wolf]

I thought it was only spending stamina which cancels regen

[shy marlin]

Nah

At least I’m 99% sure

[nocturne wolf]

I'll check now

[shy marlin]

I feel like even with that you have to wait a certain duration after attacking to regain stam

[barren whale]

what if you wear ashen cape + ask set + berserker mead
do you regen stamina because its -20% usage
do you regen stamina faster when using stamina-heavy attacks?

[shy marlin]

Nah it only goes down to 0% I know that to be true

[barren whale]

(does stamina matter anymore when we have brimstone + jormundling 😭)

[shy marlin]

And perfect parries and vile set and dodge roll refund

Game has def shifted away from stamina being a limiting factor in combat

[gray sand]

Perfect Parries 😭

[barren whale]

I have to get out of my habit of running backwards as the cheaper dodge

[shy marlin]

Yea same, the s key is so engraved into my mind it’s a hard habit to break

[chrome badge]

Yeah it's so disorienting to know in your mind that you're out of stamina, and when you look down you're nearly full

Hoping that feeling goes away 😛

[barren whale]

just gotta put in another 5k hours and it'll feel normal again

[nocturne wolf]

Stamina can't regenerate while in an attack animation

[shy marlin]

Yea thought so 👍

[gray sand]

So remove animations, problem solved

[chrome badge]

No animation cancelling please

Too many metas are established this way

[gray sand]

Meta already established by dictating only certain weapons and armors are usable and all others are shit 😏 Have you not been here?

[barren whale]

when the scrawny viking chugs a red bottle and stabs you 30 times in 10 seconds for 10k damage

[chrome badge]

I mean the term meta is just a word that indicates a shift in the best tactics, what's already established just have to get out of the way when new metas surface.

[barren whale]

meta this meta that have you ever meta girl

[chrome badge]

I main Metaknight, of course I have.

[shy marlin]

What if it already exists 🔮

[nocturne wolf]

While testing this I discovered that ashen cape + ask armor + berserker mead doesn't make all attacks use 0 stamina. Copper knife is using 2.076626e-8 stamina and bronze atgeir is using 4.153251e-8 stamina Most other weapons use 0, I can use them when the stamina bar is empty.

[chrome badge]

I imagine it does, I just don't want to know about it. 👼

[gray sand]

When the letters enter the math 😭

[shy marlin]

Bro it’s just 10 raised to a power you’ll be aight

You should see my mass transport phenomenon 3 hw

[gray sand]

Trying attack just as a lox is biting you. Your animation will be canceled

[gray sand]

e is not 10 😭

[chrome badge]

This-- I like this.

[gray sand]

e is 2.718.... 😭

[shy marlin]

e has different values based on the context 🤓

[gray sand]

This is why people hate math! 😛

When a CONSTANT value isn't constant 😭

And don't even get me started on how math people co-opted the word infinity from normal people and use it to mean something else 😭

[barren whale]

i can't tell if bros trolling anymore

[gray sand]

I can't tell why you still think we are related.

[chrome badge]

Can a mod post the Math is math gif from incredibles 2, thank you

[gray sand]

W gif suggestion.

[barren whale]

ayyyy transport phenomena 💀

[coarse gust]

question... what is the highest mountain you have ever found?

[gray sand]

Very tall?

Is there a button to press to tell you how high up you are?

[coarse gust]

you can use the pos command

tho you need devcommands active for it i think

[gray sand]

What is the exact command? I can go log in and run it.

[coarse gust]

just
devcommands
pos

[gray sand]

I am not a piece of... 😭

[merry pebble]

Its called Polaris, not all seeds have it tho 🙂

[gray sand]

That would mean not everyone has found it 😉

[coarse gust]

what are you talking about?

[merry pebble]

I dont believe the question talked about everyone 😉

[coarse gust]

a rare worldgen feature?

[gray sand]

All maps are derived from one giant map. And that one giant map has a defined tallest mountain.

[coarse gust]

oh

how tall is it?
and did it ever change?

[barren whale]

i like to refer to the giant map as Jormungandr's Ballsack
its 501m tall i think

[gray sand]

That's... gross.

[merry pebble]

It can change depending if the chunk of land its on falls on the dividing ocean line between Deep North and other landmasses

[coarse gust]

i remember back in 2021 i got a map with a mountain that was 710 over sea level

i have screenshots but i need to boot up my old harddrive

the height value was 742

[merry pebble]

You sure? Afaik the master map is still the same one it was in 2021 🤔 and the Polaris is 400 something

[coarse gust]

it felt like two or three normal mountains stacked on top of each other

[merry pebble]

Huh? How?

[coarse gust]

also the save corrupted after mistlands... for no apparent reason

[gray sand]

So the mountain I build on, the flat part is at position x, 447, z

And it is not the tallest mountain on this map 😄

[merry pebble]

Weird, plenty of people still play on worlds they made in 2021 🤔
Did you ever use any mods?

[gray sand]

Polaris has to be upper 400's then.

[merry pebble]

Polaris seed i have has it at 482m

[gray sand]

That would be upper 🙂

[shy marlin]

Is it polaris > hook > thorn?

[gray sand]

Was just saying because mine is 447 and I know it is the second tallest on this map.

[coarse gust]

i did use some cheats... i might have had early flamemetal in my inventory or something else i shouldnt be able to access

it was my fk around cheat world

[shy marlin]

Shouldn’t corrupt the file

[gray sand]

It's Polaris > Carrick > 890j

Wait that's Star Citizen, never mind

[merry pebble]

Could be, not sure which of the other two is higher, but i think its the one with 2 high points that are almost the same height. Know i had that one on somewhat recent seed.

[sly oyster]

Scam citizen

My Cutlass will never be used

[gray sand]

Deep North adding Cutlasses? 😮

[sly oyster]

Deep north when

[gray sand]

When it is finished.

[sly oyster]

Nah we cant operate like that, then we end up waiting 20 years for squadron 42

[gray sand]

We have to operate like that or we get the unfinish crap EA has been releasing the last 15 years.

[coarse gust]

also... for reference.
you know the skybox layer that is near the top of most tall mountains
appears around height value 420

that was half way up that mountain i was talking about

[gray sand]

Wait so the smoke layer is at 420? Blazin.

[sly oyster]

All I know of I have a mountain that is above the clouds

[coarse gust]

ill dig up my old seed after work

[sly oyster]

Dunno how high that is

[foggy glacier]

lol

[sly oyster]

It's an unfortunate mountain too, an entire side has nothing but slope to the top

But I guess I can launch a cart off that and it'll hit the ocean

[merry pebble]

I still have no idea how you managed to make a propper mountain that high

[coarse gust]

maybe old deep north had mountain multiplier idk

all the mountains in the old deep north were tall and steep

thats my subjective experience anyway

[spring estuary]

#screenshots message what do you guys think of this : D

[river bay]

there is a mod on left side show which player most farm grid, most killed,most npc killed what is this mode name ?

[merry pebble]

Folks in #mods-discussion know about mods 🙂

[neat flicker]

is there anything important in the bottom of the frost caves? with the big guys

[gray sand]

"Important" definition is going to vary by person.

[neat flicker]

is there anything uniuque to that area?

that isnt just drops that i can get anywhree in mountains

[gray sand]

Crystals, fishing rods, vegvisirs.

[neat flicker]

oh fishing rod sounds fun

do i kill the golems?

[gray sand]

That is your choice.

[neat flicker]

for the fihsing rod

do i kill them or do smthn else down there?

[merry pebble]

You just look around down there 🙂

[neat flicker]

they are gonna chase me ;0

[merry pebble]

Then you can kill them if you want to 😄

[neat flicker]

in a bear set leveled up to 4

am i built for it lol

[merry pebble]

You can risk it 😄 but there is easier way to get a fishing rod

[gray sand]

Armor only matters if you are letting them hit you 🤷‍♂️

[neat flicker]

ill pass for now ;x

[deft sail]

Ayo

[hearty flume]

Y'all knows.. it kinda stresses me when you meet a troll, bear AND 3 - 4 greydwarfs at the same time, and we are 2 people who get smacked down by a troll x)

[chrome badge]

Well if they aren't in the way of anything crucial, I'd recommend returning after you've done some more advancing of your weapons/armors.

[hearty flume]

Well xD we were 2, I killed the bear, but we got smacked down by the troll right after xD

[tiny mortar]

Does any meat other than bear meat stack by 20? Only serpent right?

[orchid locust]

uhhh... boar meat? Deer meat? Just to name like... the first meats you encounter...

[tiny mortar]

Wait what? I thought they stacked by 50...

Am I just misremembering

[orchid locust]

in fact you should give me one that stacks by 50 instead, since I can't really think of any right now

[gray sand]

All meat stacks to 20?

[orchid locust]

(I'm half asleep, though, so that might be me)

[tiny mortar]

Hm sorry I just got back to the game after a long time idk why I thought they stacked by 50

[nocturne wolf]

Neck tails stack to 50 because necks are better but if you have more than 20 you’re doing something wrong

[tacit crystal]

Serpent meat and bonemaw meat stack to 50.

[orchid locust]

I have two full stacks of tails

as emergency coal

[gray sand]

Was going to say bonemaw, but yeah serpent and bonemaw make sense.

I use neck tails to tame wolves 😏

[tacit crystal]

Snackie for wolves?

[orchid locust]

hey, it's not my fault these critters keep spawning near my base

[chrome badge]

Woah Blob didn't shame killing necks 😮

[nocturne wolf]

You spawned in their meadows first

[tiny mortar]

Can wolves even eat neck tails?

I thought they only did deer, boar and chicken

[orchid locust]

it's technically Odin's, and he spawned me in, so...

[hearty flume]

Well.. Black forrest bear kills them too xD

[tacit crystal]

Meats they don't eat are Mistlands and Ashlands mobs' meats.

[tiny mortar]

Thats cool. Wish they ate seeker though. I have so much 😭 two vertical rows of cooked and two of uncooked in blackmetal chests

[gray sand]

And wolves.

[tiny mortar]

They dont eat wolf either right

Oh yea

[nocturne wolf]

I’ve seen what players are like here, it’s unrealistic to expect everyone to have 0 neck tails

[tiny mortar]

I wonder if they will eat bear

[tacit crystal]

Yeah no cannibalism.

[tiny mortar]

Just got so much and its pointless to me because theres no recipes for them

[nocturne wolf]

Cooked bear meat is close enough to minced meat sauce

[gray sand]

It's identical but with shorter duration, no?

[tiny mortar]

Except Im at the point where I can go to the ashlands and that level of food doesnt even cut it for work around my base

[gray sand]

Both are 40/13
Minced is 25 min, Bear is 20 min.

[orchid locust]

yeah, but you only need a fire for one of them

[hearty flume]

I hope we get a recipe with bear meat!

[tacit crystal]

Probably 1.0 or after things.

[nocturne wolf]

Bear meat is 2hp/tick instead of 3 from minced meat

[orchid locust]

I could see bear meat being used in feasts, but something tells me the devs won't be adding any more for the black forest

[hearty flume]

Yeah! I hope they give us more content after that xD

[tacit crystal]

How about plains tier food instead of BF? Viles drop meat too.

[orchid locust]

I mean, sure, I guess? Feels like up until plains you're not really making much use of that meat, but I guess it's fair

[smoky quarry]

Things can still change

[neat flicker]

are the north isalnds in a valheim map only mountains?

[smoky quarry]

probably ice caps

[tacit crystal]

Northest point? There is placeholder Deep North.

Also some mountains can be inside.

[smoky quarry]

ice giants for sure, the banished ones and such

loki folk'

[gray sand]

Eh. It's cheapness and abundance counter that for most people I would wager.

[nocturne wolf]

It doesn’t cost the life of a neck

[gray sand]

True.

[smoky quarry]

got to have a local neck gang in town

[hearty flume]

Well, necks are useful in some way tho!