valheim-chat

[dark flare]

What entitlement. Its not always about you, derek.

A full year of this, with you

[vocal rivet]

What are you on about now? Where is the entitlement?

[dark flare]

Im not here to argue. Just dont reply to my messages anymore, please. In the future.

[vocal rivet]

Happily. No idea what your problem is but I'm happy not to be involved in it.

[steel mica]

Too simply put @wet locust
Boss scales with players near the boss so if its only you at the boss, it gives you normal dmg and health, if theres multiple players near the boss the health and dmg scales depending on how many players there are (scale caps on 5 players)

[shy marlin]

🤙

[steel mica]

And very much all the bosses in valheim are solo'able just come prepared and its less of a nightmare to beat em

dont come prepared and then suffer the consequences of dying alot

[wet locust]

[steel mica]

Also how many times did I mention scale

[shy marlin]

could prolly squeeze in more ngl

[vocal rivet]

That's enough Scales, honestly 😉

[shy marlin]

yea any more and the ptb channel might blow up

[vocal rivet]

Uh oh! Lol.

[rose parcel]

Meow

[plain wraith]

anyone else get really bad frame stuttering in ashlands?

fighting morgens is just a stutterfest

[worldly violet]

morning yall

[shy marlin]

specifically in morgen caves?

[plain wraith]

There are morgen caves?

huh

[errant knoll]

Putrid Hole is what they are called

They look like troll caves.

[plain wraith]

ah i haven't found these yet

why is it never something like "Pleasant Hole", it's alway sgotta be so dark and murdery sounding

[errant knoll]

But yes my framerate is bad in the Ashlands sometimes, especially when it's that Ash-storm weather. Absolutely horrific, I have to leave and come back later

[errant knoll]

This has "Follow the Spiders? Why couldn't it be follow the butterflies!?" energy and I love it xD.

...If a place was called a Pleasant Hole (PHRASING!) in the Ashlands, would you really trust it?

[plain wraith]

tbh i might but that's a me-problem

[errant knoll]

Anyways, Putrid Holes are like Troll Caves but worse, since they can Lull you into a false sense of security.

If you walk into one and it appears uninhabited, be on your guard anyway.

[merry pebble]

But they have more and better loot 😄

[vocal rivet]

You'd hope so 6 biomes later.

[steel mica]

Its not really the biome, its the amount of objects in the players rendered area, so if theres like a bajillion objects in the players render distance, you and WILL start to see frame drops

I could be in the mistlands jagged terrain misty clouds but id still get like 70-80 fps

but the moment I return to my base it drops to 35-40ish fps

[burnt glen]

relative to the biome, it's arguable that troll caves have better loot

Even more so if trolls count which you can kill for hide.

[vocal rivet]

And as the base level of instances in Ashlands is higher than pretty much any other biome, it's generally worse in Ashlands.

[merry pebble]

I would really not say so 🤔 if you dont count troll loot itself, the chests and stands in putrid holes have amazing useful loot
Not to say troll caves dont but putrid holes are better imo

[burnt glen]

1-2 Molten core 20%
3-12 Charred bone 20%
3-12 Carapace arrow 20%
99-199 Coins 20%
1-2 Ashwood 20%

That's the list.. it's not amazing.

[shy marlin]

All of the "useful loot" in putrid holes is found in charred fortresses tho

[steel mica]

Lava + Water + Grass + Rocks + Trees + Foliages + Premade structures + Particle effects + Animation + The unpeaceful amount of creatures

Yep I agree

[shy marlin]

• poor optimization

[steel mica]

• poor computer/laptop

20fps gameplay

You get the point

[errant knoll]

Given that cores of a certain kind can be found in Putrid Holes, at the very least the first few Putrid holes you find can be EXTREMELY valuable

[steel mica]

More objects = lower fps

[errant knoll]

Kinda in the same league as how the first few troll caves you find can be extremely valuable

But then less valuable as you find more and more

[shy marlin]

That's just not true

[errant knoll]

And yes, as scales says, the useful loot is also found in a charred fortress. BUT, a Putrid hole is much easier to "conquer" than a Fortress, and I would probably recommend most players tackle putrid holes for a bit first

I would much rather deal with a Putrid hole or 2 first to get a certain special portal online and get gear upgrades going than go straight into a charred fortress first.

[burnt glen]

This is where I am biased because of how I play. I haven't ever made the stone portal, but I still think the deer hide, coins (at this point), troll hides, ruby and bone fragments are more useful.

Also you can get molten cores from forts.

[errant knoll]

Didn't realise being the easiest way to get stone portals online and hence teleporting metals out of the biome so you don't have to deal with the extremely annoying task of building a base in the ashlands isn't valuable, but whatever, I wouldn't change your mind no matter what I say

Funnily enough I think they even contain some iron for you to make a stonecutter if you didn't bring any with you for some reason

[shy marlin]

Doing morgen caves for molten cores is meme behavior anyways because all you need is two and you're almost guaranteed to find 2 motlen cores on your first fortress

[merry pebble]

Morgen caves are easier to loot that fortresses tho 😄

[errant knoll]

Is a Morgen cave easier than a fortress?

If you're answer is anything other than "yes" you are being intellectually dishonest

It is absolutely stupid behaviour to do a fortress without first finding molten cores in a putrid hole.

[shy marlin]

What are you teleporting? There's zero need until you get flametal

[errant knoll]

What exactly are those Flametal pillars all over the Ashlands then?

You don't need to raid fortresses for those either.

[shy marlin]

You get more than enough flametal from fortresses, never have I ever needed to mine a single one

[merry pebble]

Not really, depends if you find fortress or hole first 🙂

[steel mica]

Tbh my first instinct landing in the ashlands is building a fort as soon as possible

[shy marlin]

Building a fort is not smart, you're making tons of building noise, biggest misconception of ashlands

[errant knoll]

Players don't necessarily know they will get Flametal when they raid a fortress though, yet they can clearly see Flametal nodes they can mine

[vocal rivet]

Well, that's debatable.

I was speaking to a player the other day who visited like 5 Ashlands islands without realising that's what they were.

[errant knoll]

And objectively, a player knows that likely Flametal gives them stronger gear which might make raiding the fortresses easier.

There is no knowledge of what reward exactly raiding a fortress brings.

There's an expectation it could be good. There's also an expectation it might be hard

[steel mica]

Ill have to see for myself tbh because Im still mistlands progression but mainly focusing on my main base so its much more easier to run around

[merry pebble]

I at first just thought they were cool piece of terrain generation 😄

[shy marlin]

If you want an ashlands fortress just take over a cathedral with the grapes honestly

[errant knoll]

I noticed they weren't just normal rocks

it's pretty obvious they're not like normal structures in the ashlands

They have that Metallic gloss to them for a start

[errant knoll]

Given the absolute mob density of the Ashlands and that the Fortress is very much like a plains, only I can't even see whats inside till I crack it open... I think most people with some sense of preservation would be cautious about jumping into a fortress very quickly.

In future playthroughs yes, I realise I could probably deal with them

But in the context of someone who was playing not knowing what to expect going for a charred fortress so quickly Is, to be frank, mad behaviour. That person wants death lol

[merry pebble]

More often than not i see even first time players building over to look into the fortress 🙂

[errant knoll]

I'd be afraid of somehow getting knocked in and then dying with my gear all in the death pit

[shy marlin]

My very first instinct doing fortresses for the first time was to build ladders and what not and to not engage with the poor mechanic that is siege weapons

If you really think about it opening up a giant wall or door with a fortress full of enemies just isn't smart

[errant knoll]

I disagree that the siege weapons are a poor mechanic personally.

Maybe Fortresses should be roofed so that players just can't build their way in

[shy marlin]

Maybe fortresses should've had a dungeon inside of the tower 😉

[errant knoll]

I agree with that as well funnily enough

[merry pebble]

It would be bit more interesting if there was "mysteriour force" stopping players from building in certain radius around it untill they break the inner doors for example, but that still doesent stop you from shooting everything in the fortress and then going for the siege weapons

[shy marlin]

even the devs agree but they ran out of time (who is rushing them)

[errant knoll]

Was always a bit disappointed there wasn;t more to do there

But like, yes, happy for them to take time with it.

And when it gets to prioritising whether to add dungeons to the fortresses or fix the annoying music shenanigans, I'd rather they fix the music first 🤣

I was admittedly quite disappointed after dealing with Infested mines that there was nothing similar. I really love the design of Infested Mine dungeons.

[blazing cobalt]

I get annoyed by how often people complain about how slow updates are, then turn right around and complain about unfinished/rushed features.

[shy marlin]

Agreed

[errant knoll]

Also agreed.

I'm personally tired of games being unfinished/rushed that even though the product is there I just don't buy it anymore.

Don't care how fast it comes out if I don't want to buy it anyway

[shy marlin]

Well valheim is technically unfinished, you bought an unfinished product when you bought it on steam

[errant knoll]

Valheim also isn't charging AAA game prices for being unfinished, clearly communicates that it's unfinished, and when an update comes I'm not charged for the pleasure of getting an "update" which should have been in the game to begin with

It's early access.

It's not like Civ 7 (to name just one of many examples) which was early access in all but name and then charged people stupid prices

Very clear difference 😛

[vocal rivet]

Such a weirdly common thing on this server, an argument where everyone is on the same side.

[shy marlin]

Is the arguement in the room with us

[vocal rivet]

Exactly.

[shy marlin]

I think that went over the head 😉

[vocal rivet]

Not really.

[agile temple]

It is still absolutely insane to me how quickly you get jumped in the ashlands

It's one asksvin, then a couple marksmans join in, a morgen spots you guys, then a valkyrie, then 2 more asksvins, and a couple 2 star warriors

And now you're fighting an entire army alone

I have no idea what I'm expected to do

And don't give me any of that "lack of preparedness" because I'm full of potions and the best buffs

There aren't enough dodges in the world for this

[vocal rivet]

Are you simply going too far in all at once. You really have to do Ashlands inch by inch establishing a beach head as you go.

[agile temple]

a beach head?

[errant knoll]

There are, it takes time to adjust to the mentality.

The Ashlands is the polar opposite of the Mistlands in mentality, and after getting used to the way you have to approach that biome, it's a bit of a shock to the system.

But, you have to admit, while there's way more enemies:

at least you can see everything.

At least you're not fighting the terrain all the time.

You don't gain stamina budget because the terrain is easier, thats a trap. Instead you reallocate that budget to dealing with the enemies.

[agile temple]

how am i supposed to progress i don't understand

i keep trying to explore to find another fortress or some damn vine grape seeds, then i get jumped by the entire bestiary and die

[errant knoll]

I admit, it's annoying.

[agile temple]

also the ancient roots at my mistlands are bugged and are stuck on "glow is fading", it's been like this for at least 4 ingame days with no extractors on them

[errant knoll]

BUT!

Valkyries, Morgen, Asksvins, they do friendly fire attacks to the other monsters, try to use that to your advantage

They won't target them but they can damage them a hell of a lot if you bait their attacks into them

[agile temple]

so like, how do i progress?

[light moat]

Just gotta take things slow and really dial in with combat. Not trying to be jerk, but if you have the best gear and meads, the only thing left to address and polish is your own skill 🙂

[agile temple]

i have all the staves fully upgraded, i just need to find another fortress

but i can't go 100m without being put in an impossible situation

[shy marlin]

Ignore, doesn't make any sense to do anymore

[errant knoll]

Progression is like, 99% tied to Fortresses.

Look for green glows in the sky.

Also, said situations aren't impossible. I suck at this game a lot and I was able to deal with them

But it took time

And quite a bit of dying at first 🤣

[vocal rivet]

What's suddenly changed?

[shy marlin]

Well it got nerfed

Beach head only made sense when the spawn rates justified it

Now you're just better off pushing forward rather than establishing anything

[vocal rivet]

But if they're struggling it might still be worth it.

[errant knoll]

Agree.

Remember, not everyone playing the game is you.

Just because it's not worth it to you, doesn't mean it's not worth it to anyone else

[shy marlin]

Eh, struggle until you conquer a fortress and now you have a real good base of operations

[shy marlin]

Seriously, every time I try to have a conversation, you always bring up my skill lvl, frankly, it's quite toxic and dismissive

[errant knoll]

I didn't establish a beachhead either but I understand why someone would

[agile temple]

i already have one

[errant knoll]

It's funny because you've been dismissive of every single point thats contrary to your own even slightly far more than anyone else I've spoken to on this server.

Maybe you should look in a mirror mate

Maybe that toxicity isn't so far from home

[vocal rivet]

Found it!

[shy marlin]

I still don't think you understand that Derek 😉

[vocal rivet]

Well, that's becuase you seem to think I'm an idiot.

[shy marlin]

Hardly, the guy that is responsible for the wiki almost certainly isn't an idiot

[agile temple]

alright i found the light of another fortress!

[errant knoll]

He seems to think everyone except him is an idiot

[agile temple]

i wish enemies didn't camp your body after you died

never thought i'd be the one to say this but this game could really use a despawning mechanic

oh the second fortress was basically right next to the first one, i just never ran in that specific direction 🫠

Ok I actually need some help. My ancient roots are permanently stuck at "glow is fading" no matter how much time passes

I'll try putting the extractors back on I guess

[errant knoll]

To be fair the "glow is fading" message is what appears for the vast majority of the roots state.

it can hold up to 50 sap.

The moment the amount it holds is 40 or less it says it's "glow is fading", and it regenerates at a rate of approx 1 sap per 7 minutes.

If it's fully drained it takes approx 4 and a half hours to regen to a state where it says its pulsating again. I don't know exactly how long has passed in your game.

Thats the info gleaned from the wiki

[agile temple]

What so when it loses 10 sap it's already fully dried up???

Woo I just raided a fortress completely deathless

And it was entirely surrounded by lava!

Also this time I did it right, with the battering ram and everything

Oh wow, this one had a vegsivir, and the boss is literally right next to us!

[errant knoll]

No, when it loses 10 sap it says "the ancient roots glow is fading".

It needs to lose a lot more before it says it's "fully dried up".

[agile temple]

ah right right

[errant knoll]

I made an error while typing, thats mb

[agile temple]

okay i got 1 jade and 1 bloodstone from this one, and i can finally see this trollstav

im so proud of my lil skeleton army

[errant knoll]

The Jade staff is really good as well

The Trollstav effect is meme territory but it's also a very powerful and highly destructive meme lol

[tacit crystal]

Both staves dominate in Ashlands when used together.

[agile temple]

as of right now, the only thing dominating was the staff of embers

absolutely melted everything at the front door and nobody stood a chance

[errant knoll]

Tbh I get more enjoyment out of the direct combat staves like the Dundr, Fracturing and frost staves

[agile temple]

no way...

i guess i'm getting an addition to my army

not entirely sure what staff of the wild does but it doesn't sound too good

[tacit crystal]

It's OP.

[errant knoll]

Unupgraded the staff of the wild is pretty meh.

With upgrades its amazing

[shy marlin]

Probably one of if not the strongest weapon in the game

[agile temple]

do i need more gems to upgrade it

[errant knoll]

I would be aware that he's not really a member of "your army". He doesn't like you, or anyone very much.

[tacit crystal]

No need to upgrade tho.

While upgrading increases the damage of the projectile it shoots, it doesn't affect to the damage output of ||the roots it raises||.

[nocturne wolf]

He's part of your army if you use it responsibly

[agile temple]

sooo what do i use my one bloodstone on

[shy marlin]

Obliterator 😏

[agile temple]

could also make a gem cutter

[errant knoll]

Trollstav trivialises future charred fortresses

[nocturne wolf]

This is probably best

Unless there's nothing you need it for

[agile temple]

i have no idea what it does

[errant knoll]

I personally would make the trollstav first and then get the other ones after

[nocturne wolf]

It's a black forge improvement

[errant knoll]

Or the black forge improvement after

It's a very powerful tool since you use it basically anywhere, that Troll serves as a distraction while you either fight or run

[agile temple]

can i bubble the troll

[errant knoll]

It's also an easy way of taking Charred fortresses

[errant knoll]

The troll isn't an Ally, so no.

[agile temple]

damn rip

[agile temple]

yeah i can imagine hahaha

[tacit crystal]

Summoned troll is uniquely hostile to all factions, even against bosses.

[agile temple]

hello!
summons troll inside your house
*muffled screaming

[errant knoll]

you wont need to bubble it though

[agile temple]

i always liked me a menace

[errant knoll]

You don't really care too much if it dies cause you can summon another.

And unlike those Skeletts... oh boy, do those trolls make an entrance.

Try using the Trollstav to hit the base of one of those giant rocks in the plains.

Like I say. The weapon is meme territory. It almost feels like a mod when compared with the rest of the game lol

[agile temple]

You know I think it's kinda poetic how during our playthrough I enslaved only 2 mobs. I had a skeleton in a hole in the ground (called Larry) then a troll came and killed it so I put that troll in the hole instead and he's still there (Terry).

I sent a screenshot of it here at some point

[nocturne wolf]

The troll's spawning works very well as a pickaxe 💥

[agile temple]

#screenshots message

Here's my boy terry^ I guess he'll be fighting for me now

[errant knoll]

Your "little" minion of doom won't look that much like him, I promise you xP

[agile temple]

👀

[tacit crystal]

It's quite fun tool. Best pickaxe/explosive, brings chaos and menace to all.

[errant knoll]

Do you honestly think a Black Forest Troll would last in the Ashlands at all? No... this thing is much stronger.

give it a test run. Commit fuling Genocide on some poor village somewhere

[honest burrow]

sorry to butt in, just a quick question.
Is building aprox 1km away from centre stupid?

[shy marlin]

no

[tacit crystal]

Not really.

If you have great spot then go ahead and build a base or outpost there.

[honest burrow]

yeah starting island looks kinda crappy, but the one next to it has a cozy looking meadow clearing

[errant knoll]

Build wherever you want if you like the spot xP.

my main (and favourite) base is built right at the pinnacle of a Mountain.

[honest burrow]

and 2 draugr villages, so not the best neighbours

[tacit crystal]

It's all up to you where you want to build. Some adjacent biomes nearby could be great.

[quasi latch]

sausage farm

[errant knoll]

I can't remember the last time I ate a sausage in valheim lol

Good food for my doggos though

[honest burrow]

I found a a neat looking place faaar west with a very tall mountain and a long river splitting two plains. Def gonna make an outpost when I get to that point

[errant knoll]

Favourite places to build bases are Mountains and Mistlands. I get more enjoyment out of the scenery in those areas than anywhere else

And before anyone hits me with that "What scenery in the Mistlands?"

Every now and then there's a patch with no mist.

And some of them look amazing

[honest burrow]

sounds just like land then

[errant knoll]

I mean like, it's still a bit misty but you can actually see around for a bit without needing a tool to help

My mistlands farm area is in one of those patches. No mist, no need to run in with a Wisplight, wonderful.

[honest burrow]

Another stupid question. What's the proximity for trader spawns?

I know they have several places, but once you approach one, they spawn and stay there

Can't find Hildir for the life of me

[jolly stag]

Google says: To find Hildir in Valheim, explore Meadows biomes that are located between 3,000 and 5,100 meters from the world's center.

[honest burrow]

Yeah, my strategy's been sailing about in a roughly that big circle hoping she'd pop up

[jolly stag]

was doing it the same way and sometimes you have luck and sometimes...

[dark flare]

It always seems to be in the opposite direction I end up going.

[honest burrow]

Mood

complaining works

Just found her, right next to the bog witch

[dark flare]

Genuine complaints is universal.
You can try and bait RNGesus with a false claim.
It sees right through that.

[honest burrow]

Wow, the meadows she spawned in is so small, she takes up almost the entire biome

Well, her caravan. She's too small to do that just by herself

[prime edge]

So, bit of a lore question for folks. When do you think our Vikings went from learning/remembering how to craft things from their time in Midgard to learning how to make new things in Valheim?

At a glance, one could say Mistlands as it is where Magic was introduced and we stepped more away from the more grounded experience to the mystical and powerful.

[errant knoll]

Question since idk if I'm missing something.

Is there a "mirror" function for build pieces in this game? Building using the 1x1 Ashwood pieces is driving me nuts.

[merry pebble]

You can rotate them no?

[charred gale]

There’s those little beams on the other side of ash walls

[merry pebble]

Yes, whats the problem with it?

You pick one of the sides to be outside wall and one to be inside wall

[charred gale]

if you rotate like you said it’s gonna be in and out and in and out

[merry pebble]

Well since they said they want to mirror them i can only assume they want them in opposite orientation, which would mean just rotating 180°

[scenic igloo]

does armor help with parrying?

[hearty niche]

Glad to see Hervor repeating my favorite Valheim curse word. I've frequently ran from mobs saying "shitshitshitshitshitshitshit"

[languid ice]

hi

[agile temple]

alr so i just made the trollstav and i watched it decimate a lox

[charred gale]

Hi

[agile temple]

it was actually kind of a close fight

but tanking all of a lox's attacks and still winning is... definitely a feat

[languid ice]

so on average how long it take to beat the game?

[agile temple]

hey @vocal rivet answer this one

[charred gale]

I have one world with maybe 350 hours on it

[languid ice]

played it 189 and im at fader

189hrs

[charred gale]

Me and my friend beat fader just a few weeks back

Weve played for years too on the same world haha

[merry pebble]

Anywhere from 15 to 1000+ hours 😄

[languid ice]

15 O_O

who be speed running this

[wooden tapir]

there are a few people

[merry pebble]

https://www.speedrun.com/valheim look here 😄

[languid ice]

oh ;-;

[wooden tapir]

maddissonance does it quite often

[languid ice]

my bsf got me on the game and now i play with him almost every day xd

[merry pebble]

Dont be discouraged, anyone can take as long as they want 😄

[charred gale]

15 is blooody nuts

[charred gale]

Its a great game

[languid ice]

he has 600hrs on the game

[merry pebble]

fastest currently is 10:31 😄

[charred gale]

Hours

[merry pebble]

10 hours 31 minutes, yes

[charred gale]

Damn

[languid ice]

yikes

my dad i got him into it and my lil brother

[merry pebble]

A crap, wrong reply sorry xD

[wooden tapir]

they are skipping some bosses tho im pretty sure

like ones you dont really need to progress

[merry pebble]

But we will not tell which ones are those since spoilers 😄

[wooden tapir]

yea

[languid ice]

gl to me im fighting fader tonight

[merry pebble]

Haha 😄 good luck

[wooden tapir]

its a fun fight

[merry pebble]

Also, disregard the spoiler thing it seems xD

[languid ice]

ngl i would not be this far if it werent for my bsf which is suprizingly not in this server

[wooden tapir]

yea its a hard game

i have yet to beat it without dying, but i plan to do that someday

[languid ice]

im lucky i can delte the die marks T_T

id have them everywhere 😭

[wooden tapir]

we all can, but the deaths still count

[languid ice]

oh ik but i wouldn't be seeing anything if i couldnt

[wooden tapir]

fair

first playthorugh always brutal, my first ashlands experience was like 50 deaths

[languid ice]

oh im prob at 100 by now i suck at running and fighting

my luck sucks i had 3 morgans and 2 fallen valks on me last night

[merry pebble]

And thats ok 😄 everyone cant be god of combat

[errant knoll]

The problem is the Ashwood walls on the 1x1 only go in one direction, so it doesn't work nicely if I'm using 2x2 ashwood, and using exclusively 1x1 isn't a solution I'm happy with due to the increased instance count.

It doesn't matter how you rotate them, it clashes with the 2x2.

But it would be fine if you could mirror image it.

[agile temple]

so what are the new pickaxes?

the green and red ones

[merry pebble]

Ah, well, unfortunately there are some limits to the building system

[merry pebble]

Best pickaxe is BM

[agile temple]

so what's the point of the new ones

[merry pebble]

There are none

[agile temple]

oh it's not pickaxes it's crossbow recipes

[errant knoll]

While I get this, it's kind of annoying, and if a mirror function can't be implemented then at the very least mirror images could be implemented as specific build pieces for some of these things.

Ashwood looks a lot nicer than wood in general and I want to build with it, but the fact that it clashes if I ever need to use a 1x1 piece is kind of a deal breaker

[valid python]

The crossbows feel like rifles!

[austere belfry]

Wish there were two versions of the Ashwood walls, one with just the plain siding and one with the X bracing

[merry pebble]

You could put a suggestion about them fitting together better in #suggestions or maybe even in one of the bugs channels 🤔 tho it would probably be quite low on the list of things to be fixed

[valid python]

The first crossbow can 1 tap a troll, which just makes you feel so powerful.

[merry pebble]

I mean... It is also from 4 biomes later xD

[errant knoll]

Again it wouldn't be an issue if I used exclusively 1x1 pieces but thats changing the instance count.

For fitting together better literally all that would be needed in this specific case would be a mirror image model implemented for 1x1's, but a function to mirror build things would safeguard against all build pieces

[merry pebble]

Yep, then you can put the suggestion to mirror function there 😄

[errant knoll]

I'll check to see if it's already been mentioned first

[valid python]

Still it feels good to bully them late into a playthrough XD

[merry pebble]

If it has somebody will give the ♻️ 😄

[errant knoll]

Can do this with a Quality 3 Abyssal Razor (Swamp Knife). One tap them with a sneak attack.

I don't know if it works with lower qualities (probably can, but might need more knife skill level)

[merry pebble]

I think if you get lucky it might work even with the copper knife... I did some testing while back but dont remember it well now so take this with a grain of salt 😄

[errant knoll]

Copper Knife at the very least staggers him and lets you slash him to death before he recovers, so it's almost the same thing

Killing them before they have a chance to respond.

[merry pebble]

Indeed, but for that i still like atgeirs better 😄 just spin and stab in stagger loop

No need for sneak attack

[errant knoll]

I like the cheap cost of Knives for the early section of Valheim, though tbf Bronze Atgeirs are one of the only exceptions I think to Bronze weapons being cheaper than their iron counterparts

So maybe I should give the Atgeir a go.

[merry pebble]

Oh definetly do 😄 i did a full playthrough with them not so long ago and it is funny how op they are for most things

[agile temple]

ah lovely i just got knocked into lava

[merry pebble]

heh, we got play by play to the play by play xD

[agile temple]

my friend lured a morgren into our base and i teleported to get my stuff back and it immediately destroyed our portal...

no more ashlands portal

[near widget]

oh you're done with mistlands?

[agile temple]

yup

[near widget]

found that dungeon yet?

[agile temple]

and 1 fortress away from summoning fader***

[near widget]

you mean Fader?

[agile temple]

wasn't me my friend found it

[agile temple]

don't mind me i'm tired

got 1 shot by a vulture while trying to sail back with my only backup boat

man i'm tired

[near widget]

i would crash out if this happened to me lmao

[agile temple]

i'm out of crashouts on him honestly

[near widget]

is he new to the game

[agile temple]

he's as new as me

he just has a... personality

[near widget]

are you new to the game

[agile temple]

yes we're both playing blind

[near widget]

ah well

double digit deaths in the ashlands are to be expected

[agile temple]

the kind of person who doesn't respect a sorted chest system, or replant a garden after he takes all of it to use in a recipe, or teleports away with a monster right outside the portal and says "not my problem"

and when it all goes wrong, he says "i don't wanna play this game anymore" (he got on 10 minutes ago)

[near widget]

whats stopping you from just kicking him out and continuing on your own

[agile temple]

so i'm gonna have to find a way to get back to the island now and get my stuff back, and raid the fortress alone

[agile temple]

we're long time friends and the whole point was that we were supposed to play together

i'm just gonna finish this game and stick to playing shooters with him

i don't think coop survival is his thing

[near widget]

i mean play the game together as long as its fun to do so

otherwise there is no point

[agile temple]

also it would be unfair because it was his world at first, he just sent me the save file to play when he's not online

plus he hasn't only sabotaged us, he's made a lot of progress and built most of our stuff himself

nobody's perfect i guess

[near widget]

fair enough

[agile temple]

WHY ARE THERE ASH STORMS WHILE I'M TRYING TO STEER MY BOAT THROUGH THE ROCKIEST SEA

[merry pebble]

WHY ARE YOU YELLING WHEN YOU CAN JUST PLAY THE HECKING GAME

[shy marlin]

WHAT

[merry pebble]

See? Poor Scales has gone deaf... AGAIN!!!

[near widget]

SPEAK LOUDER

[shy marlin]

HUH?

[near widget]

WHO?

[agile temple]

you guys all have the amazing talent to hear text

alright! so our boat got pulled into shallow land and the tide receded so we're permanently stuck now

[near widget]

just cheat and rebuild the portal

[agile temple]

why would i cheat now

yep, we're stuck stuck

[near widget]

get a pickaxe and start digging

[agile temple]

we're both without items in the ashlands

[merry pebble]

Oh no... How sad...

[near widget]

did you go for a corpse run naked

[agile temple]

we went on the boat

we don't have a portal in the ashlands

[near widget]

yes i know

did you go naked tho

[agile temple]

i took stuff for a portal and a workbench and a couple other things

didn't expect to need a pickaxe though

[near widget]

should have went with the best armor you got on hand imo

[agile temple]

i did

sooo he fell into the water and got hit by the bonemaw then drowned trying to reach the ladder

[near widget]

how did he fall lol

on his own?

[agile temple]

idk

annnnnd i just got harrassed by the volture and the bonemaw and the boat got destroyed 2 seconds before i had enough stamina to repair it and i got finished off by the bonemaw literally on shore

alright. 30 minute attempt and an entire boat gone

yup.

that includes my best armour set

[steel mica]

Thats why you come prepared

[agile temple]

come prepared?

how much more prepared could i have been?

oh we're being raided now. great.

i don't know.

like i said, 1 step forward 2 steps back

[merry pebble]

You would be back in Valkyries claws if that was the case...

[agile temple]

???

[near widget]

can win can win

[agile temple]

im just completely dazed rn

[errant knoll]

Honestly? It's a valid question. I personally managed my landing (just about) and manage to get a front in, but the landing into the Ashlands is completely unlike anything else in the game.

When you point out just how insane it is people just write off any complaint like "it's the current last biome, the game is SUPPOSED to get harder". And while that is true, everyone consistently ignores the elephant in the room which is that Valheims difficulty doesn't scale in a consistent way at all, and particularly the sail into the Ashlands breaks the built up player expectation.

[near widget]

idk i landed yesterday and it was completely chill especially compared to on release

[agile temple]

not to mention when your entire screen is black half the time because of ash storms

when you have the biggest boat in the game and there are rocks everywhere

[near widget]

used bonemass and cleared the landing and a nearby spawner and just did as i pleased

[errant knoll]

I landed ok myself dude.

But lets compare the jump shall we?

1. Every other biome in the game can have neighbouring biomes to act as a safe landing site. The ashlands does not.

2. you need a new ship to enter the Ashlands. It's massive and annoying to handle, which in itself wouldn't be a problem, if not for

3. The rocks littered everywhere which make it very hard to sail, and not hard in a good way.

4. Even after nerf, the first landing is completely wonky scaling compared to the rest of the game.

Some of these wouldn't even be that big of a deal if player expectation was built up to expect this level of difficulty. But because the difficulty jumps in valheim are so inconsistent it doesn't work

[near widget]

true i guess the expectation does help a lot

[vocal rivet]

"Prepare for war". "Oh no, I forget to prepare for war".

[errant knoll]

Oh come on, let's stop pretending the sun shines out of this games butt and it can do no wrong.

The difficulty scaling IS wonky in a way that is not good

[near widget]

i love my dverger frens :D

[agile temple]

nono derek literally only gargles this game's balls and does nothing else

[vocal rivet]

I could list about 20 things i think are wrong with the game.

[vocal rivet]

Oh do grow up.

[near widget]

things are heating up chat

[agile temple]

it takes a certain level of open-mindedness to actually criticise this game which most of the chat doesn't have

[near widget]

like ashlands

[vocal rivet]

I thought he'd blocked me anyway.

[agile temple]

so don't expect to try to say something is wrong without being told "skill issue"

[vocal rivet]

Happy to criticise the game where warranted.

[errant knoll]

I just think if the difficulty progression of the game was more consistent and Ashlands first landing wasn't such an outlier it would be fine.

I don't even have a problem with the landing being as difficult as it is

[vocal rivet]

The fortresses are a disappointment, the gem drops should be increased, magic doesn't belong in the game, fishing is broken. Need I go on?

[errant knoll]

But the expectations built up from the start all get shattered. And shattering expectations can be a good thing if done right.

The Ashlands doesn't do it right.

Fortresses being a disappointment is agreed, Gem drops being increased? I'm not so sure I agree with that one personally but I can understand the frustration of getting bad luck in the first few fortresses.

I agree with 2 of those things at least

[merry pebble]

Gems start being problem pretty much only in multiplayer, and for that its possible to couter it with increased drop rate, tho slight increase would really not be a bad thing imo
(And i did get lucky with them pretty much every playthrough 😄 )

[errant knoll]

I think a better solution would be to make gems buyable from a merchant once Fader is beaten.

The Average gem drops from fortresses is 3 - 4.

With 20 fortresses there's quite a lot of stuff you can make with that, and even with bad luck there should be enough for everyone.

[merry pebble]

Also possibl solution, and already suggested iirc, tho not sure how realistic chances for it are

[vocal rivet]

It certainly isn't that high.

[errant knoll]

Using numbers found from the wiki, I calculated the Expected (mean) number of gems dropped in total from a fortress to be approx 3.5

It also corroborates approximately my experience with the 7 fortresses I did, though I had really bad luck in my first 2

I can check the numbers again to see if I made any mistakes

[vocal rivet]

And that doesn't specify which gem. If you're after a specific one it's even worse.

[errant knoll]

Admittedly thats true, but I kinda like the "work with what you get" nature of it

[vocal rivet]

Eh, really I was just dispelling the weird myth that I think the game is perfect.

[agile temple]

ok im just gonna play solo now

[errant knoll]

and certainly if the average expected gem drop is about 3.5 per fortress combined, you can expect on average just over 20 of each gems on the server

[agile temple]

my friend managed to send us back another 15 minutes by getting our mistlands portal destroyed because he couldn't kill a single troll with peak mistlands gear

[errant knoll]

1 per fortress. That doesn't seem particularly unfair to me, as long as there's an alternate source provided at some point.

[agile temple]

im just playing without him now

[vocal rivet]

Maybe just increase the number of fortresses.

[tacit crystal]

The numbers are inconsistent, I have cleared all fortresses fully in 3 worlds and I've gotten 94 in first, 66 in second and 72 in third of total gems.

[errant knoll]

More fortresses would be good.

Or maybe when 1.0 comes out their extra bit for the Ashlands is dungeons that contain more charred chests for extra shots at gems.

Or again, make it possible to buy them after Fader is beaten. Make it cost a lot of gold.

[tacit crown]

rock

[errant knoll]

Is it inconsistent?

3 worlds isn't a large sample size, 66 and 72 are both sitting kinda in the expected range. 94 is exceptionally lucky.

[vocal rivet]

120, I think is the maximum.

[errant knoll]

71 is the expected number on a server if I recall

[tacit crystal]

Very much RNG included in those numbers. And those were 1x loot modifier (unchanged).

Gotta see how many I find in 4th.

[errant knoll]

I mean yes.

The same RNG applies to cultist trophies.

it's still only a sample size of 3 worlds and you've had good luck on average

let me quickly recalculate it, I think it was 71 being the expected number

[tacit crown]

I'm not letting you do that

[vocal rivet]

Where are you getting an expected number?

[tacit crown]

From his expectations probably

[near widget]

It came to me in a dream

[errant knoll]

According to the numbers on the wiki:

on average there are 0.45 of each gem in a chest (1.35 in total). In fortresses there are 4 possible chests, 2 of them are always there, 1 is 50% of the time and the other is 13% of the time). Therefore you can expect, on average, 2.63 chests per fortress.

2.63 * 1.35 = approx 3.55 gems per fortress.

20 * 3.55 = 71 gems per world

This is literally like, High school level Mathematics. I haven't pulled this out of nowhere.

2 of Joel's 3 worlds were both sitting pretty close to that number.

Yeah, see, you can mock me all you like but the reasoning is there!

Not you personally but the other 2

[vocal rivet]

So the AVERAGE number of gems is 71. That's not an expectation at all. It could be 0.

[errant knoll]

Expectation is literally a mathematical term to refer to the mean average, because a lot of numbers in reality sit close to it. Thats how statistics works

[tacit crown]

Tell em siren

[vocal rivet]

I have never in 46 years heard it called that.

[errant knoll]

The further out you get, the probabilities are extremely low going past certain standard deviations

[agile temple]

that's not even special terminology it's just basic logic

[errant knoll]

So by calculating the average, you, coincidentally, get a good estimation of how many gems you're likely to get. It doesn't mean you will.

There's also a notation for it, E(x) (meaning "Expected value of x").

It's just a different way of saying the Mean, but they can be used interchangeably

[tacit crown]

Dereks NEVER heard such blasphemy in his 46 years

[vocal rivet]

We're not discussing logic, this is statistics. And no, I'd not heard of that term, so I've learned something today.

[tacit crown]

💀

[errant knoll]

To be fair, I got used to calling it at my university

In high school I used to just call it the mean, we never called it the "expected value", but I kinda preferred to call it the expected value afterwards because it's a good way to describe what the Mean is, and it's self descriptive

[vocal rivet]

I stopped studying maths at 16 so never got that far.

[tacit crown]

Can tell

[robust delta]

man valheim is cool. can't wait for some deep north gaming in the future

[errant knoll]

Thats fair enough, basically 71 is (approximately) the mean.

I didn't bother to check whether the average number of gems per chest on the wiki was correct but It's safe to assume they're probably rounded for readability, which means the real average is probably a range sitting in that general neighbourhood

[wooden moth]

[wintry valve]

Ive been reading about the latest news on valheim and they talked about that target practice thing. Ive read here that it could be used to raise archery skill, but the way it is worded seems to indicate its there to practice the player's skill with how archery works in this game. Can anyone confirm?

[vocal rivet]

Oh we've had some discussions about that page I can tell you.

[wintry valve]

I guess we will know when we see it.

[tacit crystal]

No one can confirm anything yet, except devs and they won't beforehand.

[wooden moth]

i mean archery is easy already so its probably just for xp leveling

[wintry valve]

Why do people keep using mpreg as a reaction emote? Whats so special about it?

[tacit crown]

I just thought it fit the underlying message

[wooden moth]

loog like a fat man

[wintry valve]

Explain how

[tacit crown]

You'll know when you see it, like a newborn baby 🙏

[wintry valve]

You know what men dont get pregnant, right?

[tacit crown]

Why is there an emoji then

[tacit crystal]

IMO I don't think it would be to raise skill lvl, but rather to train using the bow/crossbow/spear and learn more of the trajectories of different ranged weapons.

[wintry valve]

I have no idea but I personally hate seeing it. Especially as a reaction picture to stuff I say. I see it as a provocation

[tacit crown]

Does it help if I throw in a woman

[wooden moth]

arneld did it

[tacit crown]

Now its a pregnant family 🙏

[wintry valve]

Frankly I dont know why you'd post either anyway, we arent talking about pregnant people.

[tacit crown]

Nah but we were talking about arrivals

[wintry valve]

And in case of babies, we can know about them before they show up

[errant knoll]

Train to use my annoyingly inaccurate Crude Bow.

[tacit crown]

Yeah but this is valheim, we don't have the technology here

[robust delta]

better than helldivers discord. they mpreg everything lol

[errant knoll]

Which, tbh. I probably don't think I'll ever craft the crude bow again. I don't think I'm gonna need it. Just go straight for finewood after beating Eikthyr lol

[robust delta]

nah no one knows

[wintry valve]

I was on another server and there was a dude that would react with random bullshit. He would often react with mpreg to stuff I said. After I told him to stop, he eventually got legit mad that I blocked him.

[robust delta]

just about no one really knows about the stuff the devs tease except for the devs themselves lol. we're all in the same boat for awaiting the prized piece

[near widget]

Have we tested it tho

[tacit crown]

Probably

[wintry valve]

about 10% of the population does, reportedly

[vocal rivet]

Oh, that reaction. Yeah, I've seen a few children using it. A ban usually stops it.

[wintry valve]

well... 5% really

[wooden moth]

u can get it before using trees

[errant knoll]

I can run and look for a troll or a shipwreck I know, but I honestly think it's just faster to kill eikthyr first and do the game normally

[near widget]

yeah i never craft the crude bow its so ass

[robust delta]

crude bow is so awesome for deer, but i kinda enjoy running around chasing it to beat with the club

[wintry valve]

I would use the crude bow on loxes

[errant knoll]

It doesn't take very long, and I can just sneak attack a deer to kill it

[wooden moth]

no just cut a tree down next to it and the trees fall onto birch and break it

or just roll it down a hill into a rock

[errant knoll]

I've seen that happen too, seems annoying to get that to work

If I was doing some kind of no boss run then yes, I'd have to resort to that

[robust delta]

the 8 leather scraps cost to make it though is hefty for me. more of a reason i don't rlly use bows till later

[errant knoll]

Finewood bow uses Deer hide, which is not an especially high demand resource

Agreed on leather scraps though, I wouldn't wanna spend those on a crappy crude bow

[robust delta]

we need to get you a nice plump forest. breaking birch with trees is pretty nice. way better with more around tho

[tacit crown]

Siren put the notepad down and enjoy the game 🙏🙏

[robust delta]

no

[errant knoll]

I get enjoyment not just out of playing video games but analysing them 🙂

[tacit crown]

Fair enough

[tacit crystal]

Flint spear is much better choice to use scraps for.

[errant knoll]

What I've analysed for this game? its peanuts, I've written several page long documents with Statistical tables in them for other games to evaluate the relative worth (or lack there of) of certain game features.

I'm mad like that lol

[static harbor]

I saw someone Talking about Odin appearing after defeating the elder
How or when does he appear?

[tame mirage]

He appears at night and will be in the distance

If you attempt to get close to him, he will vanish

[static harbor]

Every night?

[tame mirage]

No

I don't really know how often he spawns

[static harbor]

Damn

[tame mirage]

But I've seen him like a dozen times

It's not super rare

[static harbor]

I'll try spotting him next Night

[static scarab]

Does valheim have like normal caves ???

[agile temple]

No.

[static scarab]

Damn tht WOULDVE been low-key cool

[agile temple]

Sure would have

[agile temple]

Oh that's Odin? How do you know?

[wintry valve]

Whats a "normal cave"?

[celest acorn]

A cave that isn’t troll or howling

[steel mica]

I have so much black marble

[errant knoll]

That's a nice problem to have.

[steel mica]

Could integrate to my perimeter walls

but id have to experiment with both stone and black marble for a nice design

[errant knoll]

I tend to save my black marble purely to make magical Black Marble Basements wherever I build for my magic shenanigans to go

Love having the Black Marble basement with a refinery

Especially proud of my mountains one because as you enter the basement there's a perfect spot to put soft tissue in with no awkwardness or needing to climb a ladder

[steel mica]

Can I only upgrade my black forge equipment at level 2?

[dusk valve]

is Ashlands still a mob-swarming slog?

[errant knoll]

You mean gear made from the Black Forge or the Black Forge itself?

Since I do think level 2 is required to upgrade everything yes

[errant knoll]

When was the last time you played it?

[steel mica]

Only the black forge cooler is craftable is there anything else that I am missing or is that the maximum I can get?

[errant knoll]

Check your Artisan Table.

[steel mica]

OH SPRING

there we go vice upgrade

[errant knoll]

TBH, it's easily missed

[steel mica]

I can see why

[dreamy crow]

Now you can make your black marble mansion haha

[steel mica]

I might use them for my stone perimeter wall

I just have to make a design thats good

[dreamy crow]

is beautifull for floor too, in storm nights, when the thunders are reflected in the marbel, its....

[dapper totem]

do fulings respawn in villages? there one next to a nice stream and i wanna build here but i dont wanna get ambushed every time i come back lol

[shy marlin]

no

[dapper totem]

sweet!

[thorny panther]

Really glad revealed Mistlands retained the old designs

[wooden tapir]

how long does midsummer last? like how long do i have to place a maypole?

[thorny panther]

First paragraph from the announcement today-

Summer is here already! In case you’ve missed it, that also means that you’re able to build the Maypole and craft the Midsummer Crown in Valheim – you’ll be able to do so for the rest of June and through the first week of July, so there’s plenty of time still to enjoy the time of the summer solstice.

[wooden tapir]

wonderful

[languid ice]

Welp i beat fader

with my bsf

[worldly violet]

Troll big. chase far, little things joined in, chased farther. i was not expecting that, twas a close call lol

further?

[near widget]

now all that's left is to swim off the edge of the world

[languid ice]

;-;

[wooden tapir]

@languid ice how was it?

[languid ice]

fine only died 2 times

[wooden tapir]

what was your favorite boss?

[languid ice]

oh umm i have no clue

[charred gale]

BANGERRRR

[languid ice]

;-;

[charred gale]

How did you like it

[languid ice]

not bad not good its a game im grinding 😭

[charred gale]

Fair enough 😭

[wooden tapir]

i still havent found the bog witch ):

yo how did 6 growths come out of 1 pit

i thought it was 3 max

ive never seen 6 from 1 pit before

[steel mica]

Possibly because of world generation

[vocal rivet]

Can be up to 7.

[wooden tapir]

wow

must be rare occurance

[vocal rivet]

Why?

[wooden tapir]

ive cleared prob 30 tar pits and most ive seen at once is 3

so either ive gotten lucky, or its not that common to spawn 6-7 at once

[steel mica]

The common tar pits always spawn 4 growths

theres different variants of the tar pits from what Ive seen

[worldly violet]

so do i have to start over like this everytime i die?

[wooden tapir]

just go grab your body

or change world settings before you load the world

[worldly violet]

oh it just drops like a grae marker?

grave*

[wooden tapir]

yea

[nocturne wolf]

Your whole inventory will be stored in a grave which never disappears until collected

[worldly violet]

oh awesome, even if my potato wifi cuts off?

[nocturne wolf]

Closing the game immediately after dying can cause saving problems and the grave won’t be there when you come back. If this happens, you can use the manage saves button to load an automatic backup.

[worldly violet]

okay, well ill head over to my body lol

https://discordapp.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202263390056357928/1384802038164230154

[wooden tapir]

after 195 days i found the bog witch (:

[steel mica]

I think I might go insane building this huge base of mine...

[blazing coral]

guten morgen

[steel mica]

Howdy fellow viking

[agile temple]

Remind me what I'm supposed to do when my items are being camped by tons of enemies

[honest burrow]

Run in naked, kite them away, die. They are now camping a differnt spot

Tho I play with skill drain off, might be a bad idea to do this with it on

[agile temple]

got another bloodstone, do i use it for the gemcutter?

black forge level 5 didn't give me any new crafting recipes 🫠

[vocal rivet]

I don't think it does, just upgrades.

[noble marsh]

Heya guys can someone explain the frost resistance stat on say the Wolf Fur Cape?

For example the frost resistance mead completely negates freezing, does the Wolf Fur Cape provide the exact same buff to completely negate Freezing or is it a lesser version of this buff and say reduce it from Freezing to Cold? Are there different stages of cold resistance provided by various means or is it just the one strength of buff as it doesn't stack

[merry pebble]

Exactly the same function as the mead 🙂

And no it doesent stack

[noble marsh]

Thank you !

[agile temple]

Alright I need some help using devcommands. I accidentally double clicked on fader's bell holder and it erased my bell from existence

alr did it

[remote obsidian]

[steel mica]

Google my friend

[agile temple]

Ok so fader just did the circle of fire attack on me and then sent meteors at me, what was i supposed to do?

[vocal rivet]

How is that helpful?

[vocal rivet]

Did you want to spawn it in then?

[agile temple]

yeah i wanted to respawn the deleted bell

which i did, and then i summoned fader

[vocal rivet]

Oh, sorry, missed the bit where you'd already done it.

[agile temple]

Okay, I literally cannot out-dps fader

And it doesn't help that he ran away from his arena and now there are multitudes of other enemies involved

[tacit crystal]

Luckily his attacks can wipe them other mobs easily.

The fissure fire especially kills everything in seconds.

[agile temple]

Watch the final boss be hugin

"Ah, so you've gathered the powers of all the forsaken for me. Now to tie up the loose ends."

[wooden moth]

and muninn

[vocal rivet]

Seems unlikely.

[charred gale]

More or less

[stuck stirrup]

good day

I must say I enjoy the Ashlands

[merry pebble]

They are fun indeed 😄

[stuck stirrup]

yk what's funny

I just need 10 more flametal for my flametal greaves 🥲

[honest burrow]

Turns out all my frustration of awful spawns came from the fact that I picked the literal only direction to explore first that was awful

[vernal harbor]

hey uhh

can anyone help rq idk if its a bug or not

[merry pebble]

We can try 😄

[vernal harbor]

trying to cook serpent meat on iron hook but gamee is insisting the heath i put isnt lit although i fed it 20 wood alreaedy

where can i send a screenshot to back it up?

[merry pebble]

Hmm, maybe come to #valheim-help where you can send screenshots about the problem 🤔

[vernal harbor]

sent

[errant knoll]

Idk whether you managed to make much progress here, that ring of fire attack has 2 ways to be dodged.

First, I often saw a gap in the ring where you could leave (not sure if it's always there, but if it is you can leverage that).

Secondly, you can run at the fire and then jump over it. Riskier but always an option, let's you maneuver wherever you want.

As for out-dpsing Faders health regen, I relied on a fully upgraded staff of frost for most of the fight. Fader is big enough that the projectile inaccuracy doesn't matter and it can do quite a lot of damage.

When Eitr ran out i swapped to the Ripper.

Assuming you're doing a magic build because melee builds tend to do damage more quickly I found

[agile temple]

Oh ty ty

Doesn't spawn kinda look like a summoning circle?

[thorny panther]

So I realized something last night. Mistlands that were rendered pre-patch are amazing for farming enemies.

The terrain is updated and enemies spawn but there's no mist at all. Just rocky terrain with seekers, gjalls, dvergrs, and rabbits that I can see from a reasonable distance away. Gotta go deeper for dungeons and other materials but being able to farm the wildlife is enough for me.

[little trellis]

hello currently im playing dune awakening and i like it but im not a big survival games gamer now i saw valheim could get it on steam sale is it a good game? and when does it get version 1.0 i really dont like to play early access games like a alpha tester

[charred gale]

Its good but since you’re not big on survival games I’d consider first

It can feel like a rage game at times

[steel mica]

While everyone has vastly different ways of enjoying games, valheim is a very nice survival game but since you're not into survival games maybe think bout it, but the experience is very nice and you can get hooked into this game for hours

[little trellis]

ok i think i can get it for a good price on steam summer sale soon

[steel mica]

For it being an early access game, the Irongate team really showed love and passion for valheim and put a ton of content into it

[little trellis]

so it has content even tho its a early acess game

[charred gale]

Yeah it is very good for early access

As a matter of fact the second upcoming big update is gonna be 1.0

[little trellis]

is the game chill

[charred gale]

At times it’s chill, sometimes it’s full on war

[plain wraith]

It's a good balance of chill and not chill imo. But it's the chill aspects of the game that keep me coming back tbh

[steel mica]

Its a 50/50 chill time and full on ww2 experience

why do they ALWAYS COME WHEN IM BUILDING

[shy marlin]

Building makes noise 🤙

[steel mica]

Speaking about building

After my main base redesign

Should I redesign my plains base

[charred gale]

Building is great

Can I share my friend’s and mine build with you guys

[regal spoke]

When's Scales gonna make some building noise on the u tubez!? 😉

[steel mica]

Building is very nice

If... ||you have all the necessary resources||

Of which I am still lacking

[charred gale]

Fax

[steel mica]

S T O N E

[charred gale]

Have you been to plains

[steel mica]

Oh yeah

17 stone pillars not enough

[steel mica]

Check my base layout plan in screenshot

Thats a huge stone perimeter wall

[charred gale]

My internet sucks rn

[steel mica]

basically smol base > big base

[charred gale]

That looks like a great plan icl

[steel mica]

and much more tidy

[plain wraith]

oh no i'm in a corpse run feedback loop

[little slate]

Hey guys, any recommendations for a server hosting? I want it to be easy to understand and I want to be able to install mods if possible. Thanks in advance!

[little trellis]

when is it

[charred gale]

1.0 wasn’t announced yet but i’d guess it’s next year

[wintry valve]

next weekend you say?

[charred gale]

Something like that

[wintry valve]

nice!

[honest burrow]

Should I even be bothering with digging up scrap piles the wishbone alerts me to? I've only gotten like 3-5 scrap pieces each

[charred gale]

Just hit the crypts mate

[honest burrow]

yeah that's what I'm doing. It just felt a bit weird how low the yield is from the ground piles

[charred gale]

#suggestions

[cobalt token]

Very generous

[light moat]

In what way? 🤔

[twilit kite]

active server is have now anyone know ?

[cobalt token]

Time line

[charred gale]

#1024264966712340510

[twilit kite]

thanks

[vocal rivet]

What time line?

[cobalt token]

Time line wise

[vocal rivet]

Hm, this isn't getting very far. You're saying the time line for something is generous?

[light moat]

Like, is sometime next year too early of a prediction? Or too late? 🤔

[cobalt token]

Having the game completely finished in 1 year seems generous

[shy marlin]

All i hope is that 1.0 has a ptb 🤙

[charred gale]

Amen

[vocal rivet]

It's been 5.

[cobalt token]

Correct

[little trellis]

how much % of content is missing

due to not having 1.0 yet

[charred gale]

Atleast 7 maybe 7.2

[light moat]

Hard to say, maybe like 10%? But it’s really hard to pin a number down lol

[vocal rivet]

There's one biome left to go, plus bug fixes and balancing to do.

[shy marlin]

Well there's also combat update to think about to

[charred gale]

Weren’t they gonna add stuff to every other biome too

[vocal rivet]

Yeah, 10-15% seems a reasonable estimate.

[little trellis]

not bad

think i gonna play it even tho i dont play early access games

[light moat]

Typically I don’t play early access games either, but Valheim is the exception for me.

[cobalt token]

I'd say valheim is one of the only games that you can play early access and have it feel like a complete game.

[vocal rivet]

It definitely doesn't feel complete but it's certainly playable.

[light moat]

Valheim has struck an extremely good balance of sandbox and rpg elements. Gives a lot of things to do, and a lot of ways to do those things.

[quasi latch]

OH SHIT VLHM TAG

lesgoo

[dapper spruce]

Do I get one too?

Doesn't look like it. I don't come here often

[charred gale]

You can turn it on in profile settings

[neon swan]

How to convince friends to play Valheim with me? Do I need to pay them?

[shy marlin]

If you have to convince your friends to play valheim get new friends imo

[quasi latch]

You grief their Minecraft world and present Valheim as an alternative.

[worldly violet]

Morning yall

[worldly violet]

As an MC player. You scare me. 😂

[neon swan]

No they would like the game they are just low IQ

It’s like they like ketchup but won’t eat a tomato fr

[heady parcel]

Does upgrading the ||Trollstav|| not do nothing at all? Besides increasing durability a bit?

[shy marlin]

correct

[heady parcel]

The ultimate noob trap

[shy marlin]

Indeed

Sometimes strictly durability upgrades are worth it, but you're never using the trollstav so much that the durability ever comes into play

[heady parcel]

Yeah on the weapons the low durability is becoming very annoying

But they actually do get better with upgrades..

[shy marlin]

idk why they didn't do the same thing with the trollstav as they did with the deadraiser

lvl 1 trollstav spawns can have 1 troll, 2 = 2 trolls etc

[heady parcel]

Yeah. Either that or not require gems for the upgrades

[cobalt token]

Im not 100% on it. But I believe multiple summoned trolls can exist at the same time

[charred gale]

they can

[vast lily]

Yes

[shy marlin]

Yup they can, but lvl 1 can summon 2, lvl 2 can only still summon 2 etc

[worldly violet]

How long is the night cycle? im stuck where i cant build a bed lmao

[charred gale]

21 mins of day, 9 mins of night

[worldly violet]

damn thats gonna make this trip insanely long. ty

[charred gale]

Why can’t you build a bed

[worldly violet]

it was just the spot i logged out at last night. i was super tired last night and didnt have time to gather some supplies

ffs...i think this game started me on a damn island

worth it to wipe?

[light moat]

Like, a small island? You always spawn on an island 🤔

I’d say go with it, could be a fun challenge!

[worldly violet]

idk if its small, its my first time playing, but its pretty big i think

verry frustrating cause im trying to progress but cant find a swamp biome

[light moat]

Ah gotcha, I mean- I wouldn’t worry too much about that. By the time you’re ready to face the swamp, you’ll have a means of getting to it. You’ll likely have to sail eventually after all.

[charred gale]

Basically every world consists of islands

[worldly violet]

ahh, so this is normal, its not like im being trolled by RNG?

[charred gale]

You could make a boat and try sailing to find the swamp

I’ve found that to be the best strat when trying find any biome

[worldly violet]

idk that. as i mentioned before im not really watching videos, just coming here or using the wiki when i need a bit of advice or w/e

[charred gale]

Hell, idk if its the best but I always do it anyway

If you set sail pay attention to the trees

[light moat]

Yeah you’re good! Just give it a shot, totally understand trying to remain spoiler free 👍

[worldly violet]

yeah idk about boats or anything, ive just been walking my island.

[charred gale]

Have you found any metals yet

[worldly violet]

well, now that i know its just how the game is, its less frustrating. i play a lot of minecraft, and ive spent a lot of time looking for the trees i want or w/e

[light moat]

Now get out of here and enjoy Valheim before you get spoiled

[quasi latch]

You have bronze already, right?

[worldly violet]

im trying to get those cores so i can refine the ores

the Surtling cores

[quasi latch]

You're going to want to beat the black forest boss before trying to mess with swamps lol

Explore more forest areas

[worldly violet]

well i got a few pings on my map for something called the Elder, my plan was to get a real weapon, im tired of using this stick

[quasi latch]

So you explored burial chambers already but didn't find any cores?

[worldly violet]

ummm, i put a ping for some on my map in my travels lol. i also wanted a real weapon b4 i went in those, i didnt know what to expect

[quasi latch]

If you have a stone axe or a club + wooden shield, you should be fine

Put a bed outside to make corpse runs easier in case you die though

[pliant hatch]

If you're able to craft a club and use the bones found in the dolmen you find in the meadows your weapon is good enough to deal with that what's inside the burial chambers.
If you managed to get a tier 2 or 3 wooden shield you got enough protection as well.

If you want to use an axe, use the flint axe instead as it's more durable and has a higher damage output as the stone axe.

[quasi latch]

Flint axe* my bad

[worldly violet]

ive been using the axe as a backup when my club breaks, i do like it. as for the shield i need a few more skulls b4 i can make the Bone tower shield., and i could maybe make 1 piece of troll armour.

[pliant hatch]

You do have both of the upgrades of the workbench?

[worldly violet]

yes. i got the beehive and chopping block.

[quasi latch]

Beehive isn't a workbench upgrade

[pliant hatch]

beehive is not related to the workbench.
For the workbench you will need the chopping block and tanning rack.

[worldly violet]

or tanning rack w/e it is lol

[pliant hatch]

In that case, upgrade your leather armor as much as possible and wait with crafting troll hide armor until you have more.
The base stats of a tier 1 troll hide piece is similar to tier 4 leather, which is slightly below the troll hide armor.
Yet, tier 3 leather armor should offer enough protection to help you survive.

Just take things slow, don't open all doors when you encounter one, but simply enter the chamber and explore things one room at the time.
And when the 🎶 Going gets tough, the tough gets going 🎶.

Meaning, running away isn't cowardice, it's a method to survive.

[worldly violet]

okay, i wll hold off on the troll hide, i just got lucky with the kill, pretty sure some skeletons were helping me get him half way down, so he was stuck in a tower kinda. and ive gotten decent at running away, had a few close calls with some trolls, and even the Greydwarfs and Skelly boys, they gang up real fast lol.

[errant knoll]

I want to add to their last point, that unless you're doing some kind of permadeath run, if you know you're going to die, try to die tactfully, and by that I mean make sure you die in a spot where the gravestone is easy to access. It can be easy to get caught up and panic but if you think chances of death are high, you actually might be better off resigning yourself to it and just, picking a good spot to die in.

[pliant hatch]

Which with crypts and troll caves mean: close to the entrance.

[worldly violet]

yes, it wont be a permadeath run, i mess around and have fun too much for stuff like that. and i will keep that in mind when i enter a crypt later

[stray island]

is there a channel designted for ppl looking for ppl to play with? cant remember

[pliant hatch]

Yepper. It's called https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1024264966712340510

[stray island]

tyty

[errant knoll]

Basically, "The mistake was already made, I might be able to fix it now but it could make it worse for me - just accept that I messed up, take the death, move on".

And then as you build skill and confidence you can start thinking about how to recover from mistakes without needing to die tactfully

[worldly violet]

i understand that, i also play OSRS and during one of my trips on my UIM ( i have no bank all i own is on me ) i took a less than gracefull death, and couldnt get to my body cause of poor placement.

[errant knoll]

The skill drain in this game, for the most part, is nowhere near as punishing as people actually make it out to be (assuming you're an average player who doesn't spend ages sitting in a spot grinding 1 skill just for the sake of levelling it up)

Sure it stings, but it's recoverable

[tacit crystal]

4 trolls with 4 quality would be menacy.

[robust delta]

im here for it 🫡

[worldly violet]

i actualy liked when i found that out. at least for me, it makes me take a breather after i die, and not keep rushing B and loosing more time, or my sanity.

[errant knoll]

Funnily enough, right after you die is the best time to go absolutely nuts and try the wildest stuff because you get "no skill drain" for a bit.

Like nude corpse runs lol

You have much less to lose

[worldly violet]

true enough, i only died once so far, so i havent had the pleasure of that

[errant knoll]

that will likely change 🤣, the gloves come off a bit after you're done with the Black Forest

[worldly violet]

oh forsure, i got about 20hrs in this game, and the most of it was spent just walking around enjoying the music, killing the basic mobs. so im starting to itch to see a new mob or something

[errant knoll]

It's worth it, but when you do beat the elder and find a new biome... prepare yourself xD. I hope you like water and poison.

[worldly violet]

im a little tired of water tbh, but poison im cool with

[quasi latch]

Nothing screams "power trip" like streaking into a horde of skeletons and facetanking them with corpse run health regen

[worldly violet]

And how does multiplayer play work I take my character and my inventory?

[quasi latch]

Yes. Or create a new character for the server.

[worldly violet]

Hmm, I’m gonna try to turn a few friends into this.

[agile temple]

Same way it works in terraria if you've ever played that. Except in this case, any character can be taken to any world.

[worldly violet]

i like that, cause i dont want to always start over, but i also dont trust people in my worlds in base building games

[nocturne wolf]

Try to go near the centre, that’s usually where the largest island is so you won’t need to do more sailing,

Those surround the whole biome, but there’s usually a few paths that leave just enough room for the drakkar

[pliant hatch]

They make great distraction for the monsters there. But as helpers...... Not as much.

That happens when they move through the lava.
Unfortunately there's no way to keep them out of it.

[proven pebble]

Is there gonna be another biome added? I remember hearing something about it

[light moat]

The Deep North (although technically already in game 🤓) will be the last biome released, it’s currently in the works.

[worldly violet]

how many biomes are in the game?

[heady parcel]

Meadows - Black Forest - Swamp - Mountains - Plains - Mistlands - Ashlands - Deep North

[vocal rivet]

Ocean.

[worldly violet]

damn, thats exciting.

[heady parcel]

And Ocean, but it is technically the glue that keeps it all together

[agile temple]

Is there an illuminati on the door of the stone oven?

[heady parcel]

The travelling biome

Oh what's this tag thing? Oh...

[proven pebble]

No way

Hyperborea in valheim

Aldoe hyperborea translates to extreme north but still

[wicked imp]

hello anyone need a viking?

[quasi latch]

I rebound that shit to shift + numpad-

[quasi latch]

#1024264966712340510

[heady parcel]

Gods, I'm struggling with deciding what to do with my fortress. It's gonna be my main outpost in Ashlands for sure, but it kinda invites to building big

Already spent a few hours levelling out the ground in the courtyard, but I have a hard time deciding what to do with the central tower. Either a staircase or just a plain and simple chimney...

A tad oversized maybe

[worldly violet]

Just had a greyling come into my area and get into an altercation with my bees. can the mobs grief our built structures? i know that raids take place sometime after beating Eikthyr

[tacit crystal]

I just have digged ground deeper and flatten the area so I have quite large inside area there and 2 floors.

[quasi latch]

They can, but it'll take a while for them to actually destroy anything (unless it's a troll obviously). Raids can take place before Eithkyr too.

[worldly violet]

alright, ty i havent really decided where to hunker down, so ill just continue to keep it light as is for now.

[proven pebble]

Farming i think

[heady parcel]

Well, it is nice to have a "foothold" in the place you are active at the moment, with at least a portal and some storage, and fortified so it won't get ruined by stray baddies or an unucky raid. I personally very rarely move my main base - still have my primary base in meadows - but I do make an outpost wherever I deem it necessary. These can then be abandoned once you have moved on to later challenges - while I have kept one place in Plains for farming Barley, and one in Mistlands for the shrooms.

And Ashlands is a special beast since it is absolutely infested with hard hitting mobs that will more or less NEVER leave you alone, so having a well constructed and easily defended outpost really helps. The charred fortresses have very tough walls, so if you can take them without breaking down the walls, you have half a base already.

[stuck stirrup]

I agree 100% completely bc me and my parents do the same in all the biomes and idk why but all of us can agree that the meadows is the most used biome in valheim
am I right or wrong?

[glad schooner]

For me, fun building with the new materials, opportunity to try different styles of builds and working with different environments

I have also done runs where I pack everything up and move to each biome

[vocal rivet]

But yes, on average I think you're right.

[merry pebble]

Meadows are just too cozy to not enjoy them 😄

[shy marlin]

Bring the chaos 🤙

[dreamy kiln]

We all love meadows

[worldly violet]

So im on my way to this Delve, and i go to set up a camp outside, Troll comes, so i dip in the cave, give him some time alone, come out to see my Workbench destroyed, so i start over and he comes back. sooo we doing this with out a bed. GLHF to me.

[vocal rivet]

Delve?

[worldly violet]

yea, a Delve is like a place underground where you go to get stuff, could also be called a crypt, a dungeon, burial grounds.

i name them Delves on my minimap, so thats what ima call em

[tacit crystal]

For a moment I thought Delve from Path of Exile.

[vocal rivet]

Fair enough, but using the ingame name for things will help for solving problems.

[worldly violet]

yea, i get so immersed in games sometimes i forget they already have pre named names

[ebon wadi]

What is the best ways to buy Vilhelm

Is it steam keys or is it sales

[merry pebble]

On sale, usually they are 50%

[agile temple]

Just beat Fader

I didn't time it but the fight took well over 35 minutes

I can tell because I ran out of a 25 minute rested buff, died once, and now I have 15 minutes left on my next one

Also I brewed 6 of 7 different potions and managed to drink ALL of them by the time the fight ended

There's nothing left of his arena, there aren't any minions left, it's all empty

I feel strangely free, like I can finally uninstall this game 😌

I know I'm usually violently critical of this game but I have to say they did most of the boss fights right. They are extremely epic, require tons of preparation and feel rewarding as hell to finish.

Now let me guess, his power is fishing faster? 🙃

[near widget]

His power is dispelling all mist

[vocal rivet]

I'm glad you were able to at least finish the current content.

[agile temple]

So am I, that fight took everything out of me lol

[near widget]

did you guys use any magic

[agile temple]

Thank fuck for thinking ahead and making a boatload of lightfood mead, I was jumping over so much fire

[agile temple]

Oh I only used magic and maybe 5 storm ripper shots in total while waiting for eitr to regen

[vocal rivet]

And no, the Forsaken Power for Fader is increased carry capacity and a 10% movement buff.

[agile temple]

aaaaa spoiled

and thus, my collection is completed

[vocal rivet]

How is it spoiled when you've just killed him and therefore have the power?

[agile temple]

i hadn't put the thingy on yet

[near widget]

crazy

[agile temple]

but it's ok

[merry pebble]

Welp, there you see what hanging in game server can do 🙂

[vocal rivet]

Eh, it might even change.

[charred gale]

There you see what spoiling can do

[agile temple]

i'm honestly hoping it does lol

it's not a terrible power but jesus christ that fight warrants more i think

"summon 3 skeletts" hahahaha

[merry pebble]

Make player sad, i know 😄 hence why i always try to avoid it

[agile temple]

i have to say, my trolls were carrying the minion summon sections

annoyingly, one troll went after other enemies and disappeared from sight right at the start of the fight so i only had one for most of the fight

but at the end he must've died somewhere because when fader had around 10% health i accidentally used the trollstav twice and got both back

that's one of my big gripes with the trollstav, because you might summon a troll as a distraction somewhere then leave and the area is unloaded so he's technically still alive and unable to die, so next time you try to use the staff you can't since you already have "living" summons and you have to go find them and kill them first, if you remember where you summoned them

it is kinda funny though walking around my ashlands continent picking smoke puffs and occasionally just seeing my summoned troll from 5 ingame days ago still going on a rampage

"man too angry to die"

also i beat the entire ashlands continent without mining a single flametal ore

simply because i didn't need it

i also made 160 charred bolts and only used 21 of them 🫠

[tacit crystal]

Did you play as mage the whole Ashlands time?

[agile temple]

as soon as i unlocked the embla set and managed to make it, yes

so after my first fortress, i was a pure mage

occasionally took out my mistwalker to whack some enemies if i had a surplus of stamina and no eitr

ohhhh yeah i also upgraded that to level 3 before the fight and didn't use it once

💪

[nocturne wolf]

Did you enjoy it any more after you started making progress or did you still hate everything?

[agile temple]

i probably still stand by all the criticisms i made in the past, but i'll go easier and change my statement "for every 1 thing valheim gets right, it gets 2 things wrong" to a 2:3 ratio instead 😁👍

i know i'm too generous, no need to thank me (/s for the monkeys)

anyway good night, you'll probably see me again when deep north comes out so enjoy the break

[merry pebble]

-# oh i hope not....

[agile temple]

😝

[tacit crystal]

Well, to each to their own.

[plain wraith]

i'm trapped in the ashlands for the night, fun

[near widget]

no portal?

[plain wraith]

nope, forgot it and i'm miles away from my corpse

[near widget]

damn

[humble obsidian]

Please Valheim God's. Bring it to PS5 so I can play with the boys since they don't have a PC

[plain wraith]

and i'm not rested of course

[tacit crystal]

"I'm not trapped here with you... You're trapped here with me!"

[near widget]

i mean

buddy thats on you for forgetting two of the biggest valheim rules

[plain wraith]

yeah i fjucked up

[near widget]

1.Always Be Rested
2.ABR, which stands for Always Be Rested.

[honest burrow]

I got a longship full of nothing but iron. Surely, this'll be enough finally

[near widget]

ah the classic "Is this enough Iron" question

the answer is always no, my friend.

It's never enough Iron

[honest burrow]

Wish I could tie several boats together with a rope and carry iron that way

[agile temple]

alright just a quick question bcz i'm curious. can you only fight fader a limited number of times in your world? because it consumes the bells and there are only 20 fortresses so do you just have to get more fragments from another world?

[plain wraith]

legend tells of a viking who horded enough iron, but it's never been verified

[near widget]

Falsehoods

[agile temple]

not sure who'd wanna fight fader 10 times to run out of bell fragments, but theoretically

[wintry valve]

fight 10 faders simultaneously

[agile temple]

can you even summon 2 bosses at once?

[heady parcel]

Yeah theoretically you could run out of them. Same with some of the other boss summon items like sealbreaker fragments. Suppose ancient bones too but that would take serious effort. And why anyone would ever do Boney more than once is another question.

[agile temple]

yeah but you only need 1 sealbreaker, unless you obliterate them for some reason

[wintry valve]

the sealbreaker isnt the summon item, its the key to open the room. You use something else to resummon the queen.

[agile temple]

also that

[heady parcel]

Ohyeah it's not consumed

Fuling idols would eventually dry up too

[plain wraith]

i can't wait to finish ashlands so i can never play it again

[agile temple]

that's me right now! im the guy who never has to play it again 😊

[errant knoll]

Bonemass has a lot of hp, resists pierce and slash, and is an early game biome boss so relatively unthreatening.

Can be a very good way to train weapon skills low risk.

[tacit crystal]

"Oh boy Ashlands again!"

[agile temple]

what if i didn't have to kill Fader... what if i tamed Fader and flew on his back...

[errant knoll]

Just take weak weapons, but good armor into him

[agile temple]

what if Fader dropped dragon eggs that you could incubate for baby dragons

(just don't ask where he got them from)

[plain wraith]

ashlands is borderline unfair sometimes, just relentless mobs whereever you go, it's stupid. I can't get this stupid corpse back and i'm raging

[agile temple]

the only solution i found to this was just summoning a troll and running away (just make sure the troll dies so you can summon another one later)

or fireballing the enemies if they're close together

or fracturing the valkyrie 50 times

[errant knoll]

That unfortunately isn't an option when someone is first entering, as you know only too painfully

[agile temple]

oh yeah of course, i said the only solution i found not the optimal solution hahaha

[heady parcel]

Yeah I guess, not something I would do, I let skills grow naturally. The ones I need tend to grow steadily. Got 100 in run, jump, swords and bows. And above 50 in blocking, serves me well!