valheim-chat

[tepid prawn]

she sells things for making new foods if you have unlocked all the other parts

[foggy glacier]

I had no idea, never actually looked at requirements for them so I just assumed you needed to be in range.

[gray sand]

Good is a point of view, Anakin.

[austere burrow]

oooh

[errant knoll]

If nothing else feasts are efficient on your resources. The early game feasts aren't good but eventually they become really good options as being a big ball of stats

[gray sand]

The early ones are completely fine for what feasts are for.

[errant knoll]

Think like boar jerky/wolf jerky but actually worthwhile

[foggy glacier]

exactly, upgraded white forks.

[gray sand]

And the later ones are also completely fine for what they are for.
The only "really powerful" usage of them is in mage builds.

[errant knoll]

That's the late game feasts

[gray sand]

The rest if it is as I said.
Non-combat days or visiting previous biomes.

[cosmic igloo]

da fuck. is there such a thing as a twitcher nest? i just randomly stumbled upon like 10x twitchers

[errant knoll]

Before you even consider eitr an ashlands feast is 75 hp and stam, which is better combined stats than any other food in the game. I think this idea they're only good for mage builds is unfounded

[tepid prawn]

also use them for corpse recovery

seafarer + plains + mist for instance

[gray sand]

Cool, write your own food and stats sheet then 👍

My viewpoint is founded and documented.

[foggy glacier]

Are you near a big rock? sometimes the Monument of Torment will spawn inside the rock and just keep vomiting twitchers.

[cosmic igloo]

those spawners pick mob types at random, these were just twitchers and no there wasnt any spawner

[gray sand]

2-star Twitchers are fun 🙂

[foggy glacier]

but the ashlands feast requires you to have already completed the game, per se.

[wide topaz]

Is the animal taming potion buff applicable to the hatching/growing process, also?

[nocturne wolf]

It’s just for taming

[errant knoll]

That is true, but in a similar vein, mistlands feasts have more hp and stamina combined than any other food in the game up to that point, which still makes it good for non mage builds progressing into the ashlands for the first time even though the eitr isn't used

Meanwhile mage builds do use all the stats but arguably the stam and hp are both less efficient than for non mage builds (who both don't have the protection bubble, and need stamina to attack)

My stance is that they're useful for all builds but they glean value in different places

[shy marlin]

The hp is more wasted on EEF than anything, stam is very very useful on mage

[errant knoll]

Stam is still useful, not disputing, but they're less starved for stam than non mage builds

[nocturne wolf]

Health does nothing with a staff of protection, and even with the extra health you'll likely die in one hit without a bubble

[errant knoll]

I would argue non magic benefits more from the additional stamina is my point

[idle storm]

If you need hp food as a mage you're not using bubble right

[gray sand]

If you want more stamina just run HSS.

[errant knoll]

Ye, I've been tinkering with eef for mage builds and its a good ball of stats but I think it works better if you're not doing like a pure magic stuff

[cosmic igloo]

i dont see the point of hp food when u have bubble

[shy marlin]

Not a single mage build is pure magic stuff

[errant knoll]

But hfs is more stam than his too

[gray sand]

That is false.

[idle storm]

SSF with bubble staff works well too if you're dodging instead of blocking

[errant knoll]

Ssf can't even use the bubble staff what?

[shy marlin]

don't think you can use bubble with just one feast

[gray sand]

Salad (Mistlands) has more stamina than any Feast.
And the gap gets larger as you go into Omelette, Marmalade, Medley, and Pie.

[idle storm]

Blood magic skill reduces eitr cost

[shy marlin]

Ashlands feast gives 38 eitr which is not enough eitr for bubble at 100 blood magic

[nocturne wolf]

It doesn't reduce it enough though. At max skill it costs 40 eitr

[idle storm]

Hm sad

Thought of using that once i get to ashlands this playthrough

[gray sand]

You could run SFF if you just wanted enough Eitr for bubble.

[errant knoll]

Again, the point of the feast isn't to just focus one stat, it's to get everything at once. 130 combined ho and stamina from mistlands feast is higher combined stats than any single mistlands food up to that point. It's a big ball of stats and the best option for balance that I found

[gray sand]

🙄

[shy marlin]

tbh tho at that point just run SSE

[errant knoll]

Like the numbers don't lie

It gets outdone by ashlands foods but that's the point, it's progression food

[gray sand]

I mean, fair.
But sometimes you'd want a bit of meat in case the bubble pops.

[idle storm]

Well yeah but ive already done that. Thought feasts might open a new option

[shy marlin]

the cool part about SFF would be getting 2 free inventory slots

[gray sand]

I don't carry food with me, so no 😛

[shy marlin]

would be the advantage for me then ig lol

[gray sand]

SFF is actually the lead for maximum total stat too 🙂

Marinated Greens being your S.

Oh, thats EFF, sorry.

Statline is 197 / 206 / 166

[shy marlin]

Yea but looking at total stats is kinda ignoring that health is less valuable when you’re using bubble as your hp, I see what your saying and the advantage though.

[gray sand]

True. Also "total stat" doesn't matter as much either. Because you either want more HP for blocking power or more stamina for hitting power.

Going down the middle for "more stat" means you have less of both.

(for muggles)

SFF is 9 "total stat" less than the maximum EFF gives you, just by the way.

(Also I built a PYRAMID)

Being a Norse-gyptian in the Plains 😄

[cosmic igloo]

jesus christ vine staff is such a huge powerspike when u just get to ashlands

on hard difficulty they do so much dmg

[shy marlin]

Try vh

[cosmic igloo]

ya after this playthrough i think

[errant knoll]

My stance of going down the middle to have more of both is intended more in the context of running stuff like fss or fhh, instead of fhs

[final bloom]

I'm in love with that Staff, I kept that one, and my friend kept the TrollStav

[errant knoll]

Fss let's you run close to having 3 stamina foods while having part of a hp food

[final bloom]

I'm happy with my choice

[errant knoll]

It's more overall stats than hss, with slightly more stamina (the stat you want to max in this example) and less hp.

In thag context running it because it has more overall stats and you still want some hp makes it a consideration

[gray sand]

Just run HSS or commit to SSS at that point.

[errant knoll]

That's your personal opinion, but again, there is a point to them

[gray sand]

🤦‍♂️
I never said there was no point to them.

[errant knoll]

Outside of magic builds I mean

[gray sand]

And the sheer size of the stamina bar with HSS starting in Mistlands means "oh I get 20 more stamina with SSF compares to HSS" is... nothing.

[errant knoll]

Or again hhf is more blocking power than hhs, while not totally gimping stamina

[gray sand]

I also never said their only use was for magic... 🤦‍♂️

The 20 more HP you get from HHF compared to HHS is not going to net you any new things to block. Nothing is cutting it that close in terms of what cannot currently be blocked.

[cosmic igloo]

man asksvin trophy has to be the weirdest rare item in the game

like why.. why is it so rare

[vocal rivet]

Rare?

[errant knoll]

Is it really that rare?

[gray sand]

It's less rare than Rancid Remains trophy.

[cosmic igloo]

or maybe its no less rare than other trophies and just now that i need one, i notice it

[errant knoll]

I've got a few asksvin trophies, never needed to seek them out.

I just got lucky it seems haha

[gray sand]

Considering they are breed able, so you have confined infinite chances at the drop... very not-rare trophy.

[vocal rivet]

It's 10%, pretty much like every other trophy.

[cosmic igloo]

ya last playthrough i legit had like an iron chest full of asksvin mats before i got a trophy

[upbeat crypt]

If I load a really old save, is it possible for my house and everything to just be gone?

[idle storm]

If it was placed near the north or south of the world, yes

[upbeat crypt]

BLack Forest

my bed icon is still there, and the entire house is gone

[gray sand]

If it was all floating in the air due to the landscape update, yes.

[upbeat crypt]

it was actually built on top of the Elter altar

[light moat]

Is the altar still there?

[upbeat crypt]

we built a huge house on that rock. Even the terraforming for farming is gone. And all the chopped trees are back

[idle storm]

Weird

[upbeat crypt]

Yeah the elder is still here

[silver oracle]

i think i saw odin today

[upbeat crypt]

I even located a screenshot of that area. It's the correct world, everything is gone :/

oddly enough, my "debug storage" world that is even older is still up and running

[tacit crystal]

Once you have a proper Asksvin farm you will find it is not that rare.

[mellow lava]

40 sausages , 18 deer stew , 20 meat stew , 47 queens jam & 15 carrot soup

The food farm must never stop

[opal prairie]

It never does it only gets "worse".

[mellow lava]

I'm aware , but atleast later on you're more mobile & are more efficient with portals and boats

[opal prairie]

True, portals to all the farms is also how I roll, even a farming portal hub ^^

[mellow lava]

I just usually make a singular outpost. A small house with storage , storage shed & use a hoe to raise the ground for walls

Then just afk and wait for carrots & turnips to grow

[tacit crystal]

Returning to this, now I can hear the difference. Thanks for the notice!

[cosmic igloo]

holy fuck thje bodyblocking by twitchers, its actually their strongest "attack" i feel like, they just all swarm you and trap you and then you die by some attack

[azure yacht]

Yes, the swarming enemies are dedicated to swarm the character

[rocky widget]

swarmers be swarmin'

[errant knoll]

I'm slowly becoming numb to the gameplay loop of "find morgen, fight morgen, sigh and have to pick up loads of stacks of grausten and wood caused by the fight because I don't want it to despawn"

[cosmic igloo]

ya i assume they are specifically programmed to do this, it's not just to get close and melee, they actively just keep running into ur body even if you stand still

[trail pelican]

it's true tho

[errant knoll]

It's weird because I KNOW it's actually a good thing that they farm the materials for me, quickly and efficient. At the same time it's really annoying when I want to just do something else lol

Valheim plz I just want to find flametal pillars 😢

[rocky widget]

major problem in the ashlands, cant walk 20m without getting a full inventory

but as a certified hoarder i cant just leave the stuff laying around

[errant knoll]

My issue is that I really am super lazy but don't like waste, so rather than make chests for this stuff I end up just making loads of piles of it...

I think my current base is more grausten pile than floor now lol

It's a sign I REALLY should build something with it lol

[rocky widget]

ive had this idea of building a genuine castle with a grausten exterior

[opal prairie]

Put a chest down every 20m and stuff it.

[tacit crystal]

Yeah, one lava blob explodes on some Ashlands ruin and all that sweet grausten pops up so it would be a crime to leave them all there.

[rocky widget]

new idea: chests made of grausten

[errant knoll]

I feel like if the game requires you to put chests down that often to put things while exploring a new biome, then there's something that needs tweaking.

There's meaningful busywork, and then there's... that

[tacit crystal]

Oprah: You get grausten, you get grausten, everybody gets grausten!

[errant knoll]

I did unfortunately die in my last engagement because 1 star morgen, regular morgen and valk all at once happened

[rocky widget]

i really struggle with grausten roofing tho

[errant knoll]

That was a rough one

I woulda been fine I just got impatient

[shy marlin]

Heck yea glad I can help

[warm sandal]

sad to hear - i did the very same thing to the very same mobs 😦 took me 1h to get my stuff back 😦

i usually now send a troll in if the ashlands get to unruly with mobs and retreat a bit until it is dead mostly a lot of the mobs are gone then - rinse and reapeat and life is a little safer at once 😄

[rocky widget]

well...i literally just thought "if the bog witch is in a swamp, please let it not be this one." well guess who just showed up

[cosmic igloo]

2 hours later, still no asksvin trophy

actively roaming ashlands, killing asksvins

[near furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/inquisition-monty-python-spanish-inquisition-walk-in-gif-17117394

[light moat]

That’s just some awful luck lol

[cosmic igloo]

ya

[rocky widget]

basically

[cosmic igloo]

guess i have to set up an asksvin farmer, its just too low % to be roaming like this

[sand cloak]

Hey, I have a question, a few month ago I've been told that tetra fish in caves respawns but the pond is still empty after hundreds of IG hours. Do I need to be inside the caves or anything so they can respawn ?

[vocal rivet]

No different to other trophies, just RNG.

[errant knoll]

I unfortunately died quire a few times vetting my stuff back and got skills drained 2 more times lol. Finally managed it.

It's motivated me to start hunting lox for a backup set better suited to hit and run

[arctic garnet]

So I only recently found the bog witch. It looks like candles don't need fuel, but a suggestion I read seems to imply that they "burn out?" What happens when they do? Is the wick destroyed with the resin?
which yeah that'd make sense as a real life candle would melt down

[warm sandal]

I did not die once up to the ashlands but i did die 4 times in total as of now... and i do fear i will die some more until i get to the final boss

[upbeat crypt]

have you considered using a cart?

[rocky widget]

i have used many a carts but the ashlands arent playing nice with wood 😦

[nocturne wolf]

Maybe we need a grausten cart that barely moves even without any item weight

[keen cliff]

i just portal all the loot back home often in the ashlands

[plush umbra]

you can break them to get the wick back but they're otherwise not interactable in any way once burnt out.
it's a bit annoying to have to place them again and fiddle around trying to get the spot right, but at least you're not losing resources

[arctic garnet]

Ah, okay, I see. Thanks.

maybe they just shouldn't burn out at all it's just busywork to fix

[keen cliff]

how long do the candles last?

[arctic garnet]

Good question. I've not had or noticed or even timed one burning out yet.

[shy marlin]

Mods 👍

Awful system I just mod it out

[keen cliff]

wiki says 4h10m i guess

[arctic garnet]

I mean, sure, but I'd think a mod's for tweaking little things like what can or can't be teleported or adding building pieces, not fixing something that is only annoying.

[light moat]

I’d pay 10x the price for candle wicks if it meant they don’t burn out 😅

[arctic garnet]

You do get a looot of 'em for, what, 100🪙 right now?
granted they're tiny and don't actually light much up.

[plush umbra]

imo once burnt out there should be an interaction to "replace", consuming 1 resin to to refresh it while keeping the position exactly the same

[light moat]

Especially if you use some building magic to get a candle in a unique spot- like on top of a barrel, it would be really nice to have that as an option.

[arctic garnet]

That'd be like pretty much any other torch, sure. You're just replacing fuel, with the exception being the candle can be casually snuffed and relit as desired.
Which is to say I wouldn't mind it. I'd want them to maybe make a little more light though. even though I'm usually drowning in resin

[plush umbra]

i like that about them, better for atmosphere than sconces that pretty much turn any room orange

[keen cliff]

what light sources provide the most illumination? i haven't seen a breakdown

[plush umbra]

-# oh i'm gonna be mad if people complain about candles being too dim and then they make them brighter like when people complained about the meadows ruin music for some ungodly reason so they only made it play once per location per character like, come on let me use it to spice up my base with some music variety

[wintry valve]

So my Valheim game was behaving weirdly these days, and even crashed, which corrupted my game's world (a backup saved it)
I dont know for sure what caused the issue but I believe it was caused by memory issues, which my computer had since I updaged from 16gb to 32gb. Somehow, a driver for a CD emulation software messed with it, making memory unstable.

[cosmic igloo]

yea dude i know...

[arctic garnet]

Wait, really? what the hell i like the ruins musics

[mossy rivet]

Made the mistake of landing on the shores of the Ashlands in the southern most center of the biome.

I've never been a corpse faster than that. It was my first time ever going to that biome and it felt like storming Normandy I didn't even have time to put down my portal or anything before 16 skeletons and some massive bone monster destroyed me lol

[merry pebble]

So it Feels exactly as it should 😄 you will get there eventualy don't worry

[light moat]

Yeah, it’s not like landing in other biomes where you have the luxury of parking nicely and building a portal. Most of the time you can build an entire outpost before facing any real danger. Ashlands is a much different experience 🙂

[tacit crystal]

Normandy is the correct image what it feels like when first time going in

[rose shell]

looking for server, eu 🙂

[keen cliff]

multiple portals asap is top priority. i would put one on a spire closeest to the beach before even putting one on the beach

i'm a big fan of an over abundance of portals

[merry pebble]

#1024264966712340510 😄

[rocky widget]

bog witch? more like bog rich cause i dropped hella coins on her head

[keen cliff]

it's great to have SOMETHING to do with all the money you get late game

[light moat]

Wonder if we’ll see more traders 🤔

[astral dew]

So question....what is the purpose of all the black metal? Its dropped everywhere. Once you have built the sword and shield. Is there any other use for it?

[light moat]

Chests are a pretty big use

[keen cliff]

chests and spamming ballista later

i've made a LOT of blackmetal chests, and now I'm making a fortress look ridiculous with anti-valkrie ballista

[astral dew]

Ok...thats kinda what I thought. I was wondering if I had missed something.

[teal matrix]

Also upgrades, the pickaxe, the axe, black metal bolts if you're using the arbalest, etc

[keen cliff]

yeah, might as well fully level the pickaxe. it's the best pickaxe. and yeah, black metal bolts are good until you're drowning in carapace

[random ore]

hello all 🙂
Are ther someone from Poland?

[rocky widget]

so.....do i have to cook 10 of the feasts and then use the new tool to place them on a table?

[light moat]

No, just 1 feast gives you ten uses once placed 👍

[rocky widget]

yoooo that seems op

"a skeleton surprise"...those poor bones

[light moat]

They’re pretty useful, definitely. They look great too!

[rocky widget]

glad theres a use for seeker meat now other than meat platters

holy moly i need a separate table for that

[keen cliff]

yeah, i built the long darkwood table specifically for feasts

[warm sandal]

i am drowning in asksvin meat and i do not evven have tamed ones ... so many out in the wild I make very slow progress because once i have killed a ll the charred then all the svin a valkyrie will respawn...and once i am done with that that charred are back 😦

[rocky widget]

i have one of these but it was decorated with all kinds of food on item stands

its ok, i moved stuff around and now i can place the feasts

[keen cliff]

what i've done, is i hatch 20 to 40 asksvin eggs at my bases, portal spots. they give me a lot of cover. occasionally i get surprised by a non-tamed asksvin lol

[errant knoll]

That asksvin meat is one of the most useful things from the biome thankfully, so at least there's that.

At least you don't have to go out of your way to find them or even tame them to get meat for the best hp food in the biome, or later the feast

Kinda sucks if you're doing eitr/stam though

[warm sandal]

I think I am gonna dig a pit and then harpoon some in and tame them... and once i have two i will place a heckton of campfires .... my gosh... i have been stuck for 15 in game days at that secured Fortress because when ever I venture out I get overwhelmed by foe and need a troll to help reduce the sheer numbers

[errant knoll]

I find on most days I'm not that overwhelmed

[rocky widget]

my first visit to the ashlands nearly killed me the moment i stepped off the boat cause i got swarmed

[errant knoll]

Occasionally there'll be one or 2 where so many big enemies have respawned that I need to prune them but usually it's judt charred

[rocky widget]

the ashlands have both my first stupid death as well as my technical first death to a mob on this playthrough

technical because i actually died to lava, but i was so impressed by the audacity of the mob that imma count it as mob death

i was exploring around and found one of those gravestones that spawn the charred right next to a small pool of lava. naturally i break the stone so the charred stop spawning, but not even a fraction of a second after i broke it i get charged by an asksvin and punted right in the middle of the pool. that bastard waited for the exact right time for that sneak attack

[errant knoll]

Those askvin are honestly the sleeper strongest enemies in that biome lol

Well, sleeper most dangerous anyway

They look less dangerous and imposing than the "big boys", yet they are responsible for most of my deaths in ashlands

And yes, deaths plural. I am dying a lot. I have skill issue. So what? :p

[arctic garnet]

so as I recently discovered the Bog Witch, uh... dare I ask what exactly the ||love potion|| does?

[errant knoll]

||let's just say irongate are trolling you... literally.||

[arctic garnet]

no
please god no what does that mean

[errant knoll]

||increased troll spawn rate, that's it as far as I know||

[arctic garnet]

oh

huh

well at least I'm not getting romanced by those mossy, hairy cheeks.

[errant knoll]

Some of these meads need buffs

Desperately

[keen cliff]

yeah, i agree. asksvins are tough. and that charging attack hits hard

[light moat]

Think the love potion is just a funny little Easter egg type thing, wouldn’t look too much into it haha

[errant knoll]

Funnily enough I've noticed thag the staff of fracturing seems really effective against them, even if they get close. It seems to mess with their ability to use that charge attack

[idle spoke]

Hey
My buddy bought the game and his PC just shuts down after some time of playing and when something happens
He has 16GB Ram GTX 1070 Ti

[arctic garnet]

I was thinking that. Like, I'm looking at the mead of ||Vananadir|| and I just think its bonus looks like I'd never really get use of it because if I have to ||be swimming|| enough for it to matter, things have probably already gone belly up.

[idle spoke]

On random occasions

[pliant hatch]

You may have more success when asking for help in https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202320491377856512

[errant knoll]

For me what prompted the thought was ||lingering eitr mead. Eitr regen buffs are additive, which means that for any actual mage build that's rested this is basically under 10%. 10 sap makes 30 minutes worth of eitr regen +25%. That's kinda gross lol.||

[arctic garnet]

yeah I see the math making that not work very well at all.

[errant knoll]

It should be 50% at least, and I'd honestly say maybe even higher than that.

Either that or cut down on the recipe cost

[arctic garnet]

Thinking of wearing other ||mage stuff,|| yeah I can see that only maybe being ultimately worth it.

[errant knoll]

There's a case to be made I guess that it could work for a hybrid build but it just seems way better to use one armor piece for a permanent bonus at the offset of some armor if that's really what you want

[arctic garnet]

I've only used magic, like, a few times. When I do though, I either don't really wear the mage stuff or I wear a metal helmet. Since the hood seems to offer a reduced bonus.

is tasty mead genuinely useful to anyone?
Like, I feel like it should've had some more domestic use if it's just tasty mead. Like you drink it in your feast hall or whatever. Modifies your comfort for, I dunno, a longer rested bonus I guess. Or food you eat with your mead lasts longer. Or whatever. a little more sounds like fun

[errant knoll]

Yeah, exactly.

Rested buff +100%
Trousers and chest +40/50%

So you have 280 - 300% base (depending on biome).

For mistlands +20% regen additive is LESS than a 10% buff relatively, for ashlands it's a 10% relative buff on the dot. In both cases metal helmet represents a greater relative armor bonus than regen loss

Although for ashlands just how efficient the metal helm is does vary based on which cape you're using

[arctic garnet]

Ah, I haven't gotten back to Ashlands on this new playthrough and don't remember all the stats of the capes and such.

[errant knoll]

I'm using currently embla trousers and Robes, flametal helmet and ashen cape. It's 104 armor - 4 greater than plains tier gear maxed out, with only 4% movement speed penalty.

It's worked reasonably well for me

[arctic garnet]

Aaah

[errant knoll]

I do switch to feather cape when I visit mistlands/mountains, and I swap the helm when I'm going to plains or earlier biomes

[warm sandal]

you can get away with the feather cape in the ashlands as long as you take it off when fighting those damn valkiyries... i like it for the not taking falldamage but it sure makes you flammable as heck.

so i usually wear the ashen cloak 😄 not as flamable 😄

[errant knoll]

Since I'm doing like a weird melee battlemage build and I have less armor on my chest and legs I use ashen cape to compensate a bit for the loss

[arctic garnet]

That ashen cape armor is good stuff for going lighter elsewhere, true.

[willow pendant]

Can anyone explain why the 50% rested skill buff is not listed in the buffs inherently in the game? Like is it supposed to be a secret or something is that why?

[plush umbra]

that's my only guess, no idea otherwise

[stray trellis]

hey sometimes when I make stuff at the forge, I get two

I got 2 pickaxes and 2 maces. Is that normal or a glitch?

[merry pebble]

Its a side effect of the crafting skill and its chance to give +1 item, will be removed in next patch i believe 🙂

[stray trellis]

Oh dang.

So I just got super lucky with my iron tools LOL

what is it being replaced with next patch?

[nocturne wolf]

Equipment is not affected by luck, as it should be

[stray trellis]

ohh

So just iron bars?

[errant knoll]

If you're likely to need those spares you got lucky.

I've heard sentiment from some players that it just sucks though because it takes up inventory space and throwing things away feels bad, and I think that sentiment is why it's being removed for weapons and armor and stuff

[stray trellis]

I mean... I'm playing two player so I just effectively turned 40 iron to 80 iron!

I'm playing 2 player, so it's actually awesome it happened lol

[keen cliff]

that's a weird complaint. just store the extra item in a chest for corpse retrieval purposes

[stray trellis]

"oh no, now I have extra tools"

[errant knoll]

That's exactly my reasoning as well, that rather than remove the bonus you should get a choice between 2 different bonuses when you make equipment

Make it a toggle option

[nocturne wolf]

Why is it a good thing that lucky players get bonuses when crafting equipment?

[errant knoll]

Why is it a bad thing to reduce grind in an already very grindy game?

[stray trellis]

Well I see it as good for me, seeing as 2/2 crafted iron tools gave me 2.

[keen cliff]

RNG is RNG, who cares either way? it's not game breaking

[errant knoll]

It cuts both ways

[vocal rivet]

What grind?

[gleaming musk]

Does it really reduce grind? I don't think I've ever grinded for a second iron sword

[rocky widget]

im afraid neither a pick nor a mace cut anything any way

[stray trellis]

haha

[errant knoll]

Context, they were playing 2 player so it actually does reduce grind for them.

My stance on it is thag rather than removing it entirely there should be a toggle setting for getting an extra weapon for free or adding an upgrade level to it for free

[rocky widget]

i did get an extra marmelade earlier so woop woop

[gleaming musk]

I see, in my ocassien we got a extra one but it was already after the other one crafted their gear

[rocky widget]

having backup never hurts

[stray trellis]

I guess I'm just lucky. Just made a banded shield, no luck there

[errant knoll]

I also find thr complaint about rng really dumb given that the entire freaking game is rng

[vocal rivet]

In universe it makes sense to create a new resource by chance, but how does one create a new sword by accident?

[keen cliff]

oh lets not use "realism" as an excuse in this game, please

[rocky widget]

no reason to start bringing real life logic into our game now i guess

[keen cliff]

the game makes very much no realistic sense. lets not try to use that now

[errant knoll]

It's such a dumb take.

People are adamant to do anything to make the new crafting skill suck as much as possible by removing any form of bonus tied to it.

What's left? A chance to craft 1 extra arrow whenever I craft 20? Freaking please

[vocal rivet]

I'll use whatever gets my point across. Whining about the removal of a 'feature' that existed for 3 weeks doesn't make much sense either yet here we are.

[arctic mirage]

Can pc people play between steam and gamepass or no crossplay still?

[keen cliff]

your whining detector is much more sensitive than mine i think

[gleaming musk]

Ah I forgot they are deleting it lol

[vocal rivet]

What do you mean no crossplay?

[keen cliff]

it's fine to say "the devs didn't intend on double item creation for armor/weapons, and are taking that away.". It's also to fine to say "man, i think that was a super rare, but fun thing that could happen. it's a shame they are taking it away."

[nocturne wolf]

The crafting skill still reduces hammer stamina and durability cost, it’s not being made useless by not giving lucky players extra equipment they don’t need.

[arctic mirage]

There used to not be crossplay I thought, but last I checked was like a year ago so I didn’t follow

[errant knoll]

You know what's also not realistic? Planting one onion seed and picking up 2 onions. Yet here we are and nobody is complaining about that

[vocal rivet]

If that's how it was phrased I wouldn't mind so much.

[errant knoll]

If the devs actually didn't intend it then that's one thing I guess

[keen cliff]

well, it is true that people are shit communicators in general

[lusty dirge]

You are as likely to be lucky with your next craft as the next guy (with the same skill)

[arctic mirage]

Like can I play on a world with my friend when I’m on steam and he’s using pc gamepass?

[vocal rivet]

Indeed. People are adding like IG killed their first born child.

[keen cliff]

i HAVE to imagine it was unintended. it would be silly to say "OMG this breaks the game so we are going to take it away"

[vocal rivet]

Yes, been that way since the game was available on Game Pass.

[keen cliff]

since, obviously, it doesn't break anything

[errant knoll]

Hence My stance. Rather than remove it completely, keep a chance to get a bonus when crafting weapons and armor but make it a toggle. Adding more ways for players to get their bonuses. Adding player agency. Isn't that a good thing?

[vocal rivet]

We've changed our mind should be enough.

[arctic mirage]

Oh I thought we couldn’t yet. Thanks

[errant knoll]

Where just removing it takes that agency away

[keen cliff]

granted, no matter what, gamers are going to bitch about anything they can

[stray trellis]

Didnt mean to spark a discussion, I honstly thought it was glitched because I'm a noob and I have no idea what skills do

[vocal rivet]

How in the hell is it removing player agency? That's the hottest of takes.

[cobalt canyon]

I think the crafting proc is an odd thing, but far from bad or useless

[errant knoll]

The hottest of takes is when someone says this game is grindy responding "what grind?". Judt saying

I think that's a far, far hotter take lol

[light moat]

I would say getting two crops (like an onion) makes sense because it could be interpreted as a large onion=2 onions as far as quantity goes. But making two swords (although I admit, it is a lot of fun!) you can’t really make a case for haha

Just a game though. I don’t mind whatever happens either way, still fun.

[cobalt canyon]

This is also a game where it takes 300 "weights" worth of metal to sharpen your sword, so yknow

[errant knoll]

But the chance is based on your farming skill. An onion isn't jurt magically larger based on who picks it.

[vocal rivet]

The game uses no resources för repair.

[trail pelican]

artistic liberties were taken

[lusty dirge]

The cooking skill is just the same though in terms of material duplication and making sense

[keen cliff]

he probably means upgrading for "sharpen"

[tacit crystal]

This reminds me of the "Oh no I accidentally built a jeep" Google search memes.

Oh no I accidentally crafted an extra sword again

[errant knoll]

And besides, I wasn't even the one to bring realism in it the first place, I was using it as an example to try and say "bringing realism in is stupid".

[cobalt canyon]

I actually got an extra Draugurfang bow

Very useful when I had to corpserun a sealed tower

[tacit crystal]

I got an extra Krom in my hard world

[keen cliff]

Odin was so impressed by your crafting skill he zapped down an extra one

there. in game explanation provided 🙂

[light moat]

Right, so the way I see it is; a skilled farmer can grow a large healthy crop, twice the size of a regular sized one. So the experienced farmers food goes further when cooking something like onion soup.

[kind pendant]

Got an extra slayer & nidhogg! Man I felt lucky but soo uneeded

[light moat]

Where’s that guy that got an extra Dyrnwyn, lucky lad 😂

[tacit crystal]

More materials for gem infused Nidhögg and Slayer!

[cobalt canyon]

How does that sword work with multiplayer? is there only ever one in the world? Pieces respawn?

[light moat]

And I can even provide a real life scenario- when I make grilled zucchini, I have to buy two at Walmart to feed my family. However, at the farmers market, those zucchini’s are literally giant lol so I only need one.

[lusty dirge]

And experienced craftsman wastes less resources and gets further

[errant knoll]

While I would buy this for single player, for multiplayer an experienced farmer can plant it, and then have it be picked by an inexperienced farmer, or vice versa.

It's a nitpick I know but it wasn't a nitpick to complain about it, it was for a different reason.

[cobalt canyon]

(We all pinging Dogg like mad)

[light moat]

It’s ok, it’s a slow day at work lol

[light moat]

There’s only one per world, so only one player gets it 👀

[cobalt canyon]

Resource rate affects it btw

[light moat]

Yep, so 2 Dyrnwyns on a x1.5 world! ||or 4 if you are lucky 😂||

[trail pelican]

some sort of custody arrangement I'm sure

[light moat]

I agree! But wouldn’t it make more sense if an experienced smith crafted a level 2 sword instead of a second sword?

[light moat]

I get dyrnwyn on the weekends!

[errant knoll]

Given that the final biome ice themed and there's a distinct lack of non-magic fire weapons, I get the feeling that dyrnwyn is going to be heavily coveted for practical reasons as well as rarity

[cobalt canyon]

I mean if you need to you can create a new world, bounce down to its ashlands, nip the pieces, come back & craft it

[nocturne wolf]

It doesn't have particularly high fire damage though (10, even when upgraded). The fire is just there for effects, not to be useful.

[errant knoll]

Fair enough I guess. Seems kinda weird to not have the fire be more front and centre

Like still less than the slash damage but a larger proportion.

Something closer to mistwalker

[cobalt canyon]

Could be a fun challenge,

start with flamey sword, but you get no other weapons (can do tools)
Have to reach a point where you can repair it before it breaks

[errant knoll]

There's a problem here.

Axes exist

Are we counting those as tools or weapons? Or jurt like a strict rule to not hit enemies with them?

[nocturne wolf]

Just don’t hit enemies with any weapon that isn’t Dyrnwyn.

[errant knoll]

What about shields?

You aren't hitting enemies with shields, they're hitting you. The shield doesn't dk damage 😉

To be fair thinking about what you need to do in game to progress I get the feeling the challenge probably wouldn't be that hard, it's more likely just boring

You can get quite far without much fighting.

[nocturne wolf]

Far enough for an upgraded black forge though?

[errant knoll]

Does the black forge need to be upgraded to actually repair it?

[nocturne wolf]

Probably, but it doesn't show repair level on the wiki

[merry pebble]

To repair stuff you need at least the level of station you crafted the item with

[cobalt canyon]

Maybe leave in falling trees as weapons

Because lols

[errant knoll]

Hm, so you'd need to actually get far enough in the ashlands that you get flametal, and then you'd either need to teleport/sail it out, or build the black forge on site

Which means unless you're a risk taker or an exploit abuser you need to kill the queen

[cobalt canyon]

You can cheese getting into the ashlands

[errant knoll]

How often do you need to repair a longship to keep it from getting destroyed?

[merry pebble]

OFTEN

[errant knoll]

Because I don't consider looking up the shortest sailing route ahead of time to be within the spirit ofnthe challenge

Nor do I consider jumping from space

[cobalt canyon]

Can you recover all mats except the nails if it breaks going in there?

[trail pelican]

theoretically sure if you can find a spot to swim to and not die to the boiling

[errant knoll]

And you'd need to not die to bonemaws and voltures in the meantime

[cobalt canyon]

Also if your jump skill is high enough & you have lightfoot & feather, you might be able to spire hop across

[errant knoll]

Those bonemaws present a bit of a problem, they're too common thag you can't just count on maybe outrunning one

And you have no conventional means of striking them

[cobalt canyon]

Sounds fun

Black forge needs yigg wood

[errant knoll]

Yeah so you have to kill moder too, but they have less hp

[harsh steppe]

UGGGGGGggggg. Playing the game as blind as I can, just beat ||The Queen||, crafted my first ||shield core||, found out what powers the ||shield generator||, guess what I've been either turning into ||crossbow bolts|| or simply not picking up this whole time because I was overloaded with

[pliant hatch]

Don't worry. Your next biome will provide you with more than enough "fuel" for that thing

[harsh steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/berserk-skeletons-gif-26290026

[errant knoll]

Don't panic, there's plenty of fuel in the ashlands haha

[cobalt canyon]

(Too much, actually)

[errant knoll]

Way, way, way too much lol

Can't get rid of it fast enough.

[harsh steppe]

It's the principle of the matter; I personaly in game and real life have not like a clinical hoarding problem, but I tend to hold on to a lot of stuff. And I try to push myself to get rid of junk and I'm proud when I can.

[cobalt canyon]

I've only played Ashlands on 3x resource rate thus far

You don't wanna know....

[harsh steppe]

Then you have situations like this that counteract that whole process

[errant knoll]

...how much rocks and wood do you have? I'm thinking about your poor inventory space.

[vocal rivet]

Why would you do that to yourself?

[cobalt canyon]

Oh, I was also on very hard combat diff

[errant knoll]

Ashlands is like the one place I consider the game ISNT grindy because those resources get handed to you so much lol

[cobalt canyon]

Modded equipment & inventory though

[vocal rivet]

Ah, so you've not really played Ashlands.

[errant knoll]

Ah - yes I have. Quit with the condescension. It doesn't make you clever

[cobalt canyon]

Workin my way back up on my current run

[harsh steppe]

Peace, I think we're are joking around here

Everyone is allowed to play however they want

[vocal rivet]

Was that aimed at you? Then ssh.

[errant knoll]

Hard to tell sometimes. But thanks for going out of your way to prove my point further

[vocal rivet]

What point is that, exactly?

[cobalt canyon]

.

[vocal rivet]

Yet they still try.

[errant knoll]

In hindsight I read the context wrong, I admit that

[vocal rivet]

It's OK, it happens.

[errant knoll]

But also.

Mods could make the game harder, in many ways, and does not necessarily correlate to "corrupting" the experience

[cobalt canyon]

Trust me, the mod did not balance out the combat properly

[merry pebble]

I believe the main point was it makes the game different 🙂 not if its harder or easier

[cobalt canyon]

I either died in one hit on a parry or barely took 2 damage on a parry

[vocal rivet]

I didn't say it corrupted anything. I see we're back to putting words in people's mouths.

[errant knoll]

It still comes across in a really condescending, holier than thou way

[cobalt canyon]

Just depended on whether or not it overran the stagger meter

[vocal rivet]

Only if you willfully misinterpret everything I say.

[errant knoll]

Willful, huh? Definitely not primed by prior experience? 🤔

[final bloom]

Hey, why sometimes the greylings are walking around my village for hours and dont even get agressive?

[cobalt canyon]

They get kind of blind around bases

[hidden gorge]

idk exactly why, but something to do with fire likely

cause if your torches burn out they no longer are "friendly" iirc

[cobalt canyon]

3x resources is nice when it comes to gems though

[errant knoll]

I can see that, those things are super limited

[vocal rivet]

Amen to that.

[trail pelican]

keep in mind it's only SOME objects that monsters attack with no players around--like workbenches--most just regular buildings, e.g. generic wood walls, stakewalls, fences, doors, and so on, aren't automatically targeted

[errant knoll]

I only got one gemstone from my first fortress

[cobalt canyon]

Ah going back in there on vanilla is going to be fun

I can tell

[errant knoll]

And I'm dithering whether to use it on Trollstav or Dundr, after using it to upgrade the rest of my gear as much as I can first of course

Like my armor and stuff

[hidden gorge]

trollstav 100%

[idle storm]

Does upgrading trollstav actually do anything now?
Did i miss a patch note?

[errant knoll]

Does upgrading trollstav actually do anything useful since the weapon doesn't really mention?

Lol snap haha

[hidden gorge]

oh upgrades? idk -- I thought you were wondering which to build first

[cobalt canyon]

Hey how does a Frostner hold up in mistlands?

[idle storm]

Knockback and frost are still good but dps is terrible

[hidden gorge]

frostner holds up forever (maybe not in deep north)

[cobalt canyon]

Thinking Im going to go straight through yag without getting a proper plains wep, just worried about after that lol

[idle storm]

Good for getting started but id suggest upgrading to mistwalker asap

[errant knoll]

I mean using it to upgrade my armor first because it's part of the black forge upgrade stations too, then once I'm done with that dismantling the upgrade station

Reinstating it once I get more bloodstone

[hidden gorge]

are you not going magic then? armor isn't worth upgrading immediately if you're going down the magic path imo

[errant knoll]

I'm using magic but with flametal helm and ashen cape

[hidden gorge]

and if you're going armor you might want to spend it on a weapon

[idle storm]

I went into mistlands with the silver sword the first time and did okay so definitely doable

Though a bm shield is very much worth crafting if you use blocking

[cobalt canyon]

That I got

[errant knoll]

I'm doing a weird quality/jack of all trades type build

[cobalt canyon]

Rest of my armor aint up to scratch though - lvl 2 fenring chest & legs, lvl 2 padded helm

[idle storm]

Then youll do fine if youre careful and keep bonemass power ready

[cobalt canyon]

(I like my move speed)

[idle storm]

Should be okay on nonstarred seekers if you have enough hp

Also if youre having issues two of three seeker attacks do pierce

[errant knoll]

Also just a quick tip, you only need 5 of a certain resource to be able to make everything you possibly can in the mistlands, its just you need to dismantle and reassemble station (kinda like only needing 5 surtling cores in black forest)

[idle storm]

So root harnesk is an option too

[errant knoll]

So you can upgrade your gear hopefully early in by dismantling and reassembling your stations as needed

Mistwalker is op though, definitely make ASAP haha

[cobalt canyon]

Frostner should do pretty well with the dverger though

[errant knoll]

I have to say I got extremely lucky on my first proper play in the mistlands that I feel I was robbed the experience of raiding a tower for a dvergr extractor

I did it later to get more but only once my gear had progressed

[hidden gorge]

it's not luck; just a matter of time before the bugs break open a box for you

[errant knoll]

But like, almost immediately?

[cobalt canyon]

I couldn't find a black core my first mistlands

Pre-world modifiers, restarted world when those came up

second one went a lot better

[eternal blade]

this is odd...I started a new world with my brother after bog witch went live. And yet, I find the dirt X artifacts all over the plains....I thought they're a result of the world updating after a change to world generation

[errant knoll]

My first few infested mines were rough. Getting those first 5 black cores was a pain.

Immediately after getting 5 it felt like there were loads haha

[cobalt canyon]

I think those dirt lines were Ashlands, not BW

[keen cliff]

are you really a valheim gamer if you don't have at least 10+ stacks of bones? also, you don't really need a lot of bones for it at all. grab the bones from one tar pit and you're probably set for the game honestly

[errant knoll]

You'll be wishing you could get rid of them faster lol

Failure to horde those bones will make no difference to you in the ashlands, trust

[keen cliff]

i would have been more disappointed if I hadn't hoarded all the skeleton trophies

dead raiser my precious

[errant knoll]

Same.

I love summoning my cannon fodder when I see a monster spawner in the distance, or when entering a putrid hole for the first time

Thankfully it's not that hard of a problem to rectify- look for any unexplored black forest crypt and just keep one of their spawners alive while killing everything else.

[eternal blade]

Yeah, but the world I'm playing on was generated after Ashlands and BW, so they should not be there...

[errant knoll]

Summon 4 skellets, use a protection bubble, regen health, start battering the fortress

[cobalt canyon]

Dead raiser replace the bow, butcher knife replace the arrows

[errant knoll]

I still have the crossbow because I need to have something to hit valkyries with if I run out of eitr

[cobalt canyon]

I'm going to miss my triple shot crossbow...

(modded thing, in case anybody's going "wha")

Might go proper mage this round

[hoary sparrow]

magic or melee vs queen boss?

[cobalt canyon]

General consensus is Ember staff is good

[gray sand]

Both work equally fine.

[cobalt canyon]

If you're going melee you probably want a demolisher

[gray sand]

Himmin is better for ads than Demolisher.

[shy marlin]

Bile bombs better be in the equation too

[merry pebble]

Not necessary at all, i use bombs for the swarming extrass 🙂

Even the ooze bombs work well

[gray sand]

Himmin secondary staggers which doubles your bomb damage 👍

[cobalt canyon]

I just started using ooze bombs in the plains, sealed tower

Sneak attack ooze.....almost kills a shaman

[errant knoll]

Fiddleheads galore!

I've hit the jackpot, seems like very few enemies spawn in this match of ashlands and there's plenty of smoke puffs, fiddleheads and vineberries. We do love consistent sources to place portals near

[keen cliff]

i have like 3 spots with portals that have a good collection of puffs and fiddle heads. i have even hatched an asksvins defense force in each spot 🙂

[teal matrix]

I've yet to use a bomb, took a demolisher and my krom to the queen fight and didn't use the demolisher after I saw that I was doing close to nothing.

[delicate mason]

yo is anybody playing valheim rn?

?

[teal matrix]

Nah, not atm.

[delicate mason]

dam ok

bro every valheim server i join no one plays valheimn like its so wierd

[gray sand]

Many, many people are playing Valheim right now.

[vocal rivet]

22,000 on Steam.

[errant knoll]

It's the smoke puffs mainly, I don't think I'm gonna have a shortage of fiddlehead, ira a tossupt whether it's sap or smoke puffs that will be the bottleneck on marinated greens

But can't complainn at having more scorching medlies haha

[keen cliff]

i think i was starved for fiddleheads for a while, and now it's swung the other way. granted, i think i probably have plenty of both now

[calm adder]

guys Ashwood stakewall vs dvergr sharp stakes ?

[gray sand]

The fuck is a shark stake?

[calm adder]

cat walked across my lap into desk mistyping stuff, sorry sharp stake***

[gray sand]

Ok but... stake wall made out of sharks... 👀

[nocturne wolf]

The ashwood stakes deal much more damage

[keen cliff]

dude, a shark wall would be a great defense

[nocturne wolf]

120 instead of 15

[errant knoll]

#screenshots message

The amount of grausten I'm getting is starting to get out of hand.

It's leaking out of My storage space and onto the floor lol

[gray sand]

Grausten, Black Marble, and Iron -> Can never have too much.

[errant knoll]

Maybe when I actually go ahead and build something that will be true...

[eternal blade]

imagine the stench...

from all those dead, rotting sharks

[gray sand]

Draugr sharks.

Shargr.

[errant knoll]

I've counted, I've got 58 stacks of the stuff

I can build 10 stone portals so take away 6 stacks, I've got 52 stacks free for building with right now

[keen cliff]

52 stacks ain't that much for significant building.

i think it's fine for mixed building. personally i really like grausten floors, but some of the other pieces are still meh

[vital umbra]

hii ppl

[teal matrix]

Personally I like most of the grausten stuff, but it irks me the way the walls hang halfway off the foundations so I gotta snap the walls to the side of the foundations

[errant knoll]

Mixed building is what I'd go with, got lots of stacks of regular stone and black marble, and for roofs I can go with Ashwood.

Combined I've got at least 100 stacks of rocks of various kinds at this point

[drowsy vortex]

how do I get into contact with the group of players that helps out to get loot back?

[shy marlin]

the body recovery squad?

[placid copper]

So, question. I got conflicting info. I was told Frostner could go all the way decently into late/endgame due to all the statuses it can apply. But then I was told that's a lie now. What's true and what's not here?

[drowsy vortex]

yeah

[shy marlin]

join their discord

[vital umbra]

the frostner is very useful, i think its pure damage falls off past the plains.

due to the slowing effect of the frost i think you can use it in the ashlands but the mistwalker is just an upgrade.

[placid copper]

So what's it for into lategame? All the status?

[errant knoll]

Frostner is always useful for controlling enemies

[placid copper]

Just status and swap weapons?

[vital umbra]

the frost effect

i personally wouldn't use it into late game unless i was doing a challenge or proving a point 🤣, because mistwalker like i said.

[errant knoll]

As obiron mentioned mistwalker is kind of the "frostner upgrade", but its on swords not clubs

[placid copper]

Well I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth the investment. When even IS mistwalker?

[vital umbra]

until the mistlands and ashlands came-out it was like one of the best weapons in the game to use period.

[placid copper]

I prefer clubs fully so.

[vital umbra]

i always get the frostner

[placid copper]

I'd probably swap to like the demolisher or a higher tier mace.

I'm a blunt weapon enjoyer

[vital umbra]

thats fine, i think, i don't really like two handed weapons, the porcupine probably works in the mistlands pretty good.

if you did that then i think swapping between porcupine and frostner in the ashlands could be pretty good then.

[placid copper]

I prefer big two handed weapons that hit hard.

I just like blunt weapons period tho. And hammers especially

[errant knoll]

If you want to go all maces build then you got variety, like you have porcupine in rhe plains as a pierce damage option, frostner for the slow and push back.

Enemies in the mistlands all resist physical damage so frostner gets a fair bit of mileage in mistlands while progressing

[vital umbra]

'hit hard' huh, 😬.

[placid copper]

hence why Frostner interested me. It's a one handed hammer.

[placid copper]

As a two handed hammer enjoyer, this comment insults me

[vital umbra]

I don't know i never leveled blunt to use two handed weapons, from my own experience the big hammers were more like crowd control than damage.

[placid copper]

that AOE blast and the parry counter damage goes so hard.

[gray sand]

<obligatory "I hate Frostner" message here>

[vital umbra]

if going this route yes use it until you get to the demolisher then i suppose

[placid copper]

Or like a higher tier mace

[lunar sapphire]

In before the "Frostner goes so hard against Deep North enemies!"

[vital umbra]

you won't get another hammer in the ashlands you'd have to switch to maces, unless you wanted to keep the demolisher.

[gray sand]

Easy to go hard against enemies that don't exist 😉

[placid copper]

Ashlands is the last area right? or is that mistlands?

[vital umbra]

it is the last for now

[vocal rivet]

So far.

[placid copper]

I'd probably keep the demolisher. Hopefully the deep north has a new 2 handed hammer.

or two handed blunt weapon

[vital umbra]

when you get into the ashlands the frostner might actually be helpful then

until you get a higher skill/food/armor

[lunar sapphire]

You may have ✨ 2 petrified wooden sticks ✨

[placid copper]

... Imagine a two handed frostner type weapon that spread all Frostner status' in AOE.

[errant knoll]

It's judt worse mistwalker unfortunately but some enemies in ashlands are vulnerable to frost, others are vulnerable to spirit

[placid copper]

What weapon type is the mistwalker?

[vital umbra]

blade

[wintry valve]

one handed sword

[vocal rivet]

What are they scared of?

[errant knoll]

Irs swords so you won't wanna usebit

[placid copper]

Ew.

[vital umbra]

😾

sword enjoyer trying to help a man out

[placid copper]

I think the only sword that's EVER interested me is the Slayer. My heart belongs to blunt weapons.

[errant knoll]

I hate to say it but maces/club weapon types seem to fall off a bit in the later stages, for the most part (demolisher is still good though)

[vital umbra]

swords, spears, and bows are the best....also dual axes.

[placid copper]

I plan to max upgrade Demolisher and combine it with max upgrade Frostner.

[errant knoll]

But they absolutely rule the early stages of valheim so it kinda balances out

[gray sand]

Mistwalker is one of the best weapons in the game.

[placid copper]

make the ultimate status into sledgehammer loadout

[lunar sapphire]

E) All of the above

[vital umbra]

the frostner is just it but at a lower level and a different weapon type, why would you of all people say that.

[gray sand]

Huh?

Mistwalker is amazing and aids in killing people.
Frostner isn't and doesn't.

[vital umbra]

🫨

[errant knoll]

Frostner is and does, just at an earlier point in the game.

There's a whole 25% of game where frostner exists that mistwalker doesn't lol

[vital umbra]

correct

[gray sand]

Frostner isn't and doesn't. 🙂

[shy marlin]

Mistwalker has cleave frostner doesn't 👍

[placid copper]

And from what I'm gathering Frostner can still hold up when combined with other weapons. Use it for controlling the horde so you can pull out your stronger weapon and smack em.

[vital umbra]

based on the fact that, because you said so and feel like it huh?

[gray sand]

Mistwalker doesn't fling people out of kill range, preventing you from killing them. Frostner does. 👍

[errant knoll]

Let's not even get into that because I'm 99% sure mistwalker and in general one handed swords shouldn't have cleave, cause 2 handed swords don't cleave and that seems backwards to me.

[vital umbra]

how much fucking knockback are you experiencing my guy, i have never had that much of an issue, just use your legs?.

[errant knoll]

... you adjust to it?

[vital umbra]

it is referred to as walking.

[shy marlin]

Oh boy

[vital umbra]

🚶‍➡️

[placid copper]

Bro I gotta speak from experience here. The ONLY time knockback was an issue was when I had the club because that thing has like no reach.

[gray sand]

There is no "adjustment" you have to walk/run to close the distance.
That's not an adjustment, that's the weapon preventing you from immediate follow-up.

[vital umbra]

Moving your character around is one of the fundamentals of a video game 🧡

[shy marlin]

Yet 99% of players struggle with piloting the character

[placid copper]

Walk/run IS a follow up. If you time it right you can smack them. Blunt weapons require more skill because of the knockback. But also the knockback can be INCREDIBLY useful as well.

[vital umbra]

have you experimented on solely greylings, i can easily combo fulings with the frostner.

[vital umbra]

and its function in the early mistlands and every biome prior is all that matters.

[placid copper]

It can get stuff off you. Create distance. Give you that one opening you need.

[gray sand]

"Blunt weapons require more skill" 😂

[placid copper]

When it comes to the knockback thing, yes.

[vital umbra]

distance can be a very good thing to gain on an enemy, or 50 of them.

[placid copper]

It's an easy follow-up. You're just not good.

[gray sand]

😂

[shy marlin]

oh boy

[errant knoll]

I'll be honest I have major skill issue, but I never had issues with frostners knockback like, at all

[vital umbra]

you don't want them to be up in your fucking face in like half of the scenarios there are

even if knocking enemies away from you is generally bad, which idk, it still 1000% has uses for that matter.

[placid copper]

Bro I used Stagbreaker for the longest time. I was gonna use Iron Sledge too but I didn't this time cause I could save flesh FOR Frostner. I could STILL combo extend off stagbreaker. It was just timing related.

I have successfully landed the two tap WITH STAGBREAKER

[vital umbra]

i would never have noticed its knockback if not for sev 😆

[errant knoll]

Frostners knockback is a good thing if you play around it, fights might take a bit longer but you can get through them quite a lot safer. Particularly for those plains raids it feels like playing the game on easy mode, more than other weapons

[placid copper]

Like honestly, if I can manage to follow up with STAGBREAKER

You can follow up with Frostner

[vital umbra]

i'm sure hammers are fine but i don't like slow attacks, i like swords first and foremost, thats my shtick, my least favourite though is just the atgeirs.

[placid copper]

I was told Atgeirs are overpowered as hell

[errant knoll]

I have just one word.

Knives.

That is all.

[shy marlin]

they are

[vital umbra]

maybe they are, i don't know, i don't like the feel of them

[placid copper]

Oh you sneaky.

[vital umbra]

i like to use something that pairs with a shield because captain america is my favowite marvel chawacter 😛

[errant knoll]

Not My current playthrough cause I wanted to try something different but I have a knife addiction in this game lol

[vital umbra]

i have to fuck off and go hurt my back some more bye bye chat 🧡

[placid copper]

When can we turn shields into an offensive weapon tho

That's my question.

[vital umbra]

swords > dual-axes > fists > spears > bows > axes > clubs > knives > arbalest > crom > hammers > atgeirs

[errant knoll]

Fracturing.

Parry enemies, counterattack with fracturing.

[placid copper]

Aren't the fist weapons straight up bad tho?

I was told they become outdated FAST.

[placid copper]

Eh? Idk what that is ngl

[errant knoll]

spoilers kekeke

I didn't use the weapons full name

[cobalt canyon]

Second Hildir dungeon I've found before finding Hildir

[gray sand]

I wonder how many arbalest skill levels you'd get from killing Bonemass with bone bolts 🤔

[cobalt canyon]

Think I'm going to use Hildir as a meadow radar at this point

Sail along the mid-south of the map, see if I can't find a decent place to set up for Mistlands/Ashlands

[vital umbra]

yes, and theres only one of them, but they are based to use.

[gray sand]

Eating bukeperries and then clicking your bed is funny 😄

[cobalt canyon]

Huh?

You become a vomit geyser?

[gray sand]

You lie down to sleep while puking everywhere 😄

[placid copper]

Can animals take fall damage? I know they don't often fall off cliffs but

[gray sand]

afaik players are the only things that take fall damage.

[gray sand]

I am really enjoying the no-cape look.

[azure yacht]

No

[shy marlin]

what armor you runnin

[gray sand]

Just upgraded to Carapace.

[blazing pollen]

@tawdry monolith one min my roomate

[gray sand]

Also, concerning our SFF discussion yesterday:

For melee people who want to run Staff of Prot, Bloodstone is now extremely viable. Because activating the bubble puts you well below the threshold where Blood does more damage than Ling.

[shy marlin]

👀

what's the % more damage?

[gray sand]

That's math I'd have to do, but the -40% HP on bubble activation really synergizes with Bloodstone.

[shy marlin]

I know that's a pretty complicated question with a lotta different scenarios but i guess i'm must asking is it a miniscual damage increase or is it substantial

[gray sand]

Pick a weapon.

[shy marlin]

The ashlands axes

Also I can see this thriving in a sneak hit scenario, as the few extra damage gets multipled

[gray sand]

Oh that's bloodsniping 101

[shy marlin]

ye

[gray sand]

Blood Arbaralest.
Puke.
Eat 3 foods.
First shot gets +200% or more damage.

[shy marlin]

ye i did a fader speedkill usin that tech

[gray sand]

Ok, minute on the maths.

SFF Health is 34 + 75 + 65 = 199
HFF Health is 105 + 75 + 65 = 270

Ling Axes are 165 + 25% chance at 75 = 183.75 DPS
Blood Axes are 155 + 0.2% per HP point.

Blood wins when missing 93+ HP.
So SFF is a bit shy (you drop 80)
HFF you drop 108 from the Staff, putting you over threshold.

HFF statline is 270 / 225 / 71

(It would be better if Ling didn't get +10 free damage that Blood doesn't have before passive. Like, Blood should also be 165 base)

[shy marlin]

Ye

Nice, big maffs, def gonna try this out and see how it feels sometime. Also nice to know that whenever I get bloodstones from my fortresses they actually kinda have a purpose

[vital umbra]

itd be kinda cool if there were a couple more damage types i think lul

like bleeding, and/or acid.

[placid copper]

How do I remove the GUI for screenshots? Is there a thing for that?

[shy marlin]

if you're on pc ctrl + f3

[placid copper]

This game autosaves every time you sleep right?

[sterile jungle]

Whats a material I can build over lava without it breaking? Tryna build a bridge.

[shy marlin]

Gonna have to use flametal beams and then build over the lava through the support of the flametal beams, kinda expensive

[sterile jungle]

Okay that’s cool, ty!

[light drift]

If i have a suspended build and I build it up, do the supports have to get progressively stronger? Or do support beams only affect length and width

[wintry valve]

I am midly upset yet again. I saw a guide telling to attack a charred fortess to have a good starting amount of flametal, but I see now that I need flametal to actually get the loot inside 😦

[cobalt canyon]

#screenshots message

-AHHHHHHHH

[cobalt canyon]

(upset hour)

[wintry valve]

you get to have a long sea trip at least

[keen cliff]

No you don’t. You can climb over the wall with wood or raised earth. That gives you access to courtyard chests. Then you can dig all the way down and sneak barely under the central tower walls.

[wintry valve]

really?

[keen cliff]

Yes. I’ve never used a battering ram and I’ve done 7 fortresses this way.

[wintry valve]

Its not letting me dig under the floor though
I mean like, under the tower

[keen cliff]

If you get next to the tower and dig all the way down you can angle underneath the wall barely. You need to push in just right. It’s a bit of a pain sometimes.

Get max depth. Then find where the wall is slightly higher. Then dig in and upwards.

[wintry valve]

oh... how silly

[light drift]

Like if I put an iron wood beam and a wood beam in the same place, will flooring go the same distance out AND the same distance up?

[mental wren]

.>

[viral perch]

This game deleted my save, this game is fucking ass

[vital umbra]

no

[wintry valve]

it should have backups

[vital umbra]

are you here to ask for help or just to vent.

fascinating

anyway i just got my second rancid remains trophy

between that and the brenna trophy now there needs to be some kinda frosty or lightning-y skeleton so i can have rgb trophies ✨

[frank mirage]

Has anyone tried making a game of thrones inspired valheim server?

[vital umbra]

uhhhh idk

what does game of thrones inspired entail....lads roleplaying as jon snow..?

[tepid prawn]

go to the top with wood and use demolisher to get rid of the grill and spikes

[wintry valve]

is fine I got in

I thought I would get some flametal tho. I didnt 😦

[vital umbra]

why do lox spawn so awkwardly

they have like these little areas they tend to spawn in and as soon as you get like 12 meters away they do it instantly, even if you've just cleared some out, or are walking towards that direction, then these big fucking lugs just descend from the heavens

and theres so many dirt lines in the plains 😭

why is it so bad

[leaden elbow]

Valheim with a dlss option would be so nice.
It has some older upscaling method from my information, though much better implemented than HD2's upscaler, still has fuzzy pixels and such and that is more or less why i can tell my native 4k from 1440p upscaled. Dlss (and fsr iirc) dont have that (at least not as much), so adding that at some point would be pretty sick
(The fuzzy pixels seem to be an artifact of the upscaler, as the native 1440p image on my sisters display is far from fuzzy)

[jaunty night]

sigh. sitting in my longhouse, waiting for the damn rain to stop. I swear, I have more storms than clear days.

[wintry valve]

Whats the impact of DLSS on computer ressources though?

[leaden elbow]

Basically none

[wintry valve]

apparently it does the opposite and lighten the ressource load

well dang, that sounds fun.
I think my GPU can't handle it tho.

[cobalt canyon]

Or you go through this hole in the top of the keep and dig down to get out

Don't forget a pickaxe

[wintry valve]

this game should have chocolate as an ingredient so that we can poison wolves and cook Le Fishe Au Chocolat

[leaden elbow]

Well depends if you have an RTX series card or an older one. Every nvidia gpu released post 2019 can do dlss just the same

[wintry valve]

yeah, I dont. mine's a 1650

[leaden elbow]

Thats the problem with dlss, AAA optimization getting sloppy cus "free fps from dlss" while it should be just extra fps with little to none visual cost

[leaden elbow]

Stinky

@ devs add dlss its be great at any point down the road

[gray sand]

🙄

[leaden elbow]

I agree with sevrahns reaction to my own idea

I only think dlss or fsr would be neat since it already has a upscaler, fuzzy one though

[gray sand]

Valheim is known for its peak 8k visual fidelity so yes, upscaler 1000% needed.

[leaden elbow]

Oh no more fps equals bad now, huh. I never said it needs it, itd just be neat

That emoji doesnt fit your full opinion turns out

[potent adder]

It would be great if Valheim could support dlss/fsr. I'm so tired of the blurriness and ghosting caused by TAA. While I don't need the extra FPS that these upscaling algorithms provide, dlaa and fsr native AA are currently the best anti-aliasing tech available.

[leaden elbow]

This

Valheim is a pixelized game, and taa removing the crispyness of the pixel really isnt nice. The temporal upscaler combined with TAA really isnt nice

[gray sand]

Not entirely my area of expertise, but I don't think a graphical upscaler is going to get you more frames or reduce lag from the number instances being loaded in the game. 🤷‍♂️

Game still has to load all the instances... which is on the CPU side afaik, not the GPU.

[leaden elbow]

Its clear you know even less about graphics than me dude. You might be great at valheim help (fact) but you also have almost no idea what youre talking about here (also fact). Im no expert but DLSS is an incredible anti aliaser and the SS part is just the fps bonus. Its why DLAA exists for 4090 warriors; pure anti aliasing, crisp and clear

[gray sand]

I know the lag and stuttering in the Ashlands has nothing to do with graphics so... 👍

[leaden elbow]

The game uses like 10-20% of my cpu and like 60-90 of my gpu on dx and with the gx= boot arguments. Its not that expensive on the cpu.

[potent adder]

im not expecting dlss to solve the stuttering issues. I just hope for a relatively decent anti-aliasing solution.

[leaden elbow]

Stutter will stutter no matter what. My fps is nice, my main issue with the current upscaler and stuff isnt fps. Its clarity (or lack there of)

[gray sand]

I'm sure if Smiffe feels like it he will drop a comment with revelations.

[fervent raft]

Hi guyse

[gray sand]

Do you have a screenshot example of this lack of clarity?

[leaden elbow]

Im not even home atm. Go on 4k, and look at the damn ferns in the loading screen. Fuzzyness on the edges. Strong, at that.

65%, disabled bloom, chromatic abberation and DoF

66% of 4k is 1440p.

Any sort of detail is lost to fuzzy edges and blurryness, edges leaking into each other due to well, an old temporal upscaler.

[fervent raft]

Is this minecraft

[leaden elbow]

You can even see the clarity of native 4k compared to it on a small mobile youtube video. Its obvious even on smaller screens.

People often say "1440p is similar to 4k". TAA completely negates that as the lower the rendered res, the blurrier. Not due to res, but due to TAA itself. That mixed with the upscalers "pixel leaks" it makes it look very fuzzy.

[leaden elbow]

Yes, totally :)

[fervent raft]

Minceraft

The meadows is too hard I keep dying

[nocturne wolf]

Just hold out a torch, all meadows enemies are scared of fire

[fervent raft]

No it's dangerous

[gray sand]

I would never say 1440 = 4k

I would say that Valheim graphics look exactly the same between 480p, 1080p, adn 4k.

Because it's Valheim.

[nocturne wolf]

What does being Valheim have to do with anything? It’s the same difference as any other game in higher/lower resolutions.

[gray sand]

No. Certain art styles don't care.

[mellow lava]

What's your PC's specs?

[mellow lava]

1440p / 4k have almost no difference in most games. As most games aren't meant for 4k

Plus a real 4k 144hz monitor can run you up to $2000

[nimble aurora]

my new seed has a natural pond next to my house, goated

[cosmic igloo]

any eikthyr enjoyers in the chat? i use it through the entire game

[nimble aurora]

yessir

[cosmic igloo]

bonemass what? LAME

[nocturne wolf]

Eikthyr + lightfoot + feather cape for infinite jumps

[cosmic igloo]

hell yea

[nimble aurora]

bonemass for charred fortresses, other than that its eikthyr all the way

[mellow lava]

Plus 97% of gamers don't have the required hardware to play games in 4k anyhow , most people play on complete potato systems

[mellow lava]

Moder for metal runs pre ashland

[cosmic igloo]

na na na eikthyr ALL the time baby. the "just dont get hit" strategy :D (with bubble for plan B)

[nimble aurora]

nah i enjoy sailing i dont need it sped up

[nocturne wolf]

I only use Bonemass in mountains because I can’t consistently survive being hunted with iron equipment without it

[austere rapids]

WHO decided to move the POI's?

[mellow lava]

Uhh. Just carry a building hammer and some wood , thatl win you 99% of fights

[nocturne wolf]

I don’t want to cheese it, that’s even worse than being reliant on forsaken power

[mellow lava]

Stuff can't hit you if it can't reach you

[cosmic igloo]

like u put down wb and stand on it?

[mellow lava]

True it's just a life saver if your farming & overloaded. Or get caught out at night

[mellow lava]

Yeah just put down a quick structure to stand on and melee enemies won't be able to hit you

I usually build a little platform outside of where I'm silver farming, incase it turns to night

[vital umbra]

hi rose hi blob

[mellow lava]

Hi obi

[mellow lava]

It does help alot

[cosmic igloo]

any1 else been stuttering a lot recently in ashlands on the public test valheim?

[errant knoll]

I think that needing to carry building materials absolutely everywhere to make sure I can cheese fights would be more stifling than needing to rely on a a back pocket bonemass buff but that's just my opinion

[errant knoll]

During those ash storms yes, game performance tanks considerably. It's so bad I have to drop everything and leave immediately for my sanity

[cosmic igloo]

dude i'm stuttering just by engaging combat with 1 mob

[nocturne wolf]

Just turn the monitor off. No more stuttering

[errant knoll]

I've not noticed it personally outside of those ash storms

Oh, that and when there's multiple environment damaging mobs on screen attack at the same time. Game struggles with all the stuff breaking on screen and dropping all the resources

[gray sand]

Just /spawn Troll 600 and watch the frames 😄

[cosmic igloo]

aight updated driver, lets see now

[gray sand]

• Crafting skill no longer provides bonus yield on armour and weapons

THANK YOU JESUS THOR!

[slim magnet]

• Crafting skill no longer provides bonus yield on armour and weapons

Whyy? 😥

[gray sand]

Because it was annoying as fuck?

[vital umbra]

???

[slim magnet]

Not when you have multiple players and get a free piece of gear

[vital umbra]

so did anything change from public test to actual patch notes from the feedback given..

[gray sand]

So it only is cool specifically for multiplayer environments....

Yet another reason to remove it.

[vital umbra]

what?

[placid copper]

Wonder if Askvin's cape is gonna be bad.

[jagged geode]

I can see it as annoying f you go solo, but it was nice surprise when we play on multiplayer server

Anywho, i love the illustration in patch notes, those are always so cool, but i love how homey this one feels 🙂

[cosmic igloo]

hes just a hater lmao

[vital umbra]

i know 🤭

[gray sand]

No?

[cosmic igloo]

also updating driver didnt really fix stuttering.. damn

[vital umbra]

It sounds like it yes, Based on what i heard from other people in public test, I haven't tried it myself yet.

[placid copper]

"Asksvin Cape has been reworked with increased run speed and reduced stamina use for running"

According to the patch notes.

[vital umbra]

mhmm

[gray sand]

How is that bad?

[placid copper]

Idek. Seems like one of the best capes outside of feather

[vital umbra]

and crafting skill is useless now.

[gray sand]

I take Ashen because attack cost reduction.

[nimble moss]

Stamina is only reduced when running with wind

[gray sand]

Crafting skill is useful as fuck, they removed an annoyance.

[nimble moss]

So it’s meh now

[placid copper]

Tbh I'm glad lol. Less work for me.

Lol

[gray sand]

Ah, yeah that's not good.
If it was just overall reduced cost then it would be fine.

[vital umbra]

How is it annoying though?

[gray sand]

We've had this conversation...

[placid copper]

How can I level club mastery efficiently? Shield Mastery I assume will come naturally as I parry stuff. I'm just having issues cause death is a constant for me no matter what I do so

[gray sand]

Make a wooden club.
Kill things with it.

[vital umbra]

I remember people not caring about the crafting skill in general but i don't remember it being 'annoying' to have extra stuff

[placid copper]

I have an Iron Mace lol.

[gray sand]

Then you're leveling inefficiently.

[cosmic igloo]

1. hit friend blocking
2. go to greydwarf spawner and hit mobs

use lvl 1 club

[placid copper]

Ah fair.

[gray sand]

Wooden Club is the fastest way to level that skill.

[tacit crystal]

So with Ask Set, Asksvin cape, Lightfoot mead and Eikthyr power it's free running and jumping when running with wind on your back 👍

[cosmic igloo]

it takes a lot of time tho, you can console command "setkey SkillGainRate 300" for 3x xp rate if you dont wanna grind for 6+ hours

[potent adder]

The ash storm is simply a GPU load issue that can be immediately alleviated by lowering the effects settings. It's not as annoying as the stuttering when asset loading, which has no solution at all.

[errant knoll]

My settings are already as low as they can go 🤣

[potent adder]

u can only lower the resolution or play the game in windowed mode in that case😅

[leaden elbow]

Far from the truth

I see youre using my old excuse for a 1080p monitor

[gray sand]

Uh... pixels beg to differ.

You can't take the original Zelda, slap "4k" on it and suddenly it looks different because... it won't.

[leaden elbow]

The edges will be much cleaner

Wait, dont you know what resolution does?

[cosmic igloo]

damn, he hit him with the "wait, dont you know"

[mental wren]

you know what seems to make an even bigger difference than resolution? high pixel density.

[leaden elbow]

The textures wont suddenly enhance to realism, even though their vram res will be over 4k to not make them look blurry

[leaden elbow]

Yeah. My s21 1080p phone LOOKS as sharp and clean as a 32 inch monitor, since from what i can tell at first glance the pixel density seems to be pretty similar.

[mental wren]

especially on smaller screens really high pixel density makes stuff look super crisp even if its frickin pixel art lol

[leaden elbow]

But 32 inch 4k compared to 24inch 1080p is a HUGE difference (main vs old, now 2nd monitor for discord)

[mental wren]

playing stardew on a legion go and i was looking at it with new eyes it felt like lol

[leaden elbow]

Yes! I can easily tell if a guy on youtube, even yt compressed video, is using native 4k or upscaled or even 1080p, even though all the pixels arent even visible on the small 1/5k part of the screen yt plays on. Miniplayer too small to tell though haha

[mental wren]

ye kinda crazy how much of a difference it makes. I wasnt really aware of it but it just seems to provide more raw info to the eyes

[hoary mirage]

anyone knows a good way to farm trollfish

been trying to make troll strenght meads but the fish are hell to find

[gray sand]

They are in every Black Forest biome that has a beach.

[leaden elbow]

A fucking TROLLFISH
Damn i gotta get into fishing. Bought 800g of bait and a rod just to not use it, ever.

I only found a single beached salmon

[errant knoll]

Whatever you do, don't take the bait 😉

[gray sand]

Bait is still an amazing way to mass-produce Coal.

[plucky junco]

What does Austin Powers tell all bad Bee keepers ?
.
.
OHHH, BEEEE-HIVE.......

[rain flare]

Fishing is fun!
Why do you guys hate it so much? 😭

Just get in a boat, sail to where there is fish, drop your fishing line like an inch from your boat, real in the fishies and be happy 🥰🥰🥰

I love that troll fish just became such a hot commodity 🥳

[tacit crystal]

Karve is the best fishing boat confirmed ✅

[vital umbra]

i don't hate it i just don't find it fun

i mean atleast trying to level fishing and getting every little scrap of stamina food is a little annoying.

fishing in the meadows is fun ☕

[errant knoll]

Every time I tried it the fish just seemed to never get near me at all, just felt like a waste of time.

Granted this was before the big fishing update and I have noticed there seems to be way more fish now so I should probably give it another proper go

I do think it kinda sucks that rather than making our own fishing pole we have to buy one or find one in the wild though

[tiny tiger]

• Crafting skill no longer provides bonus yield on armour and weapons

Noooooo

I didn’t even know this was a thing lmao

[gray sand]

It's gone, thank iGod.

[tiny tiger]

They should rework it for arrows too where it’s random per individual arrow imo, instead of either getting 20-21 arrows

[lone topaz]

Yeah kinda busted making 6 rippers with 3 crafts

[gray sand]

Kinda annoying af making 2 rippers when you wanted only 1. 🤷‍♂️

[tiny tiger]

Annoying to have a spare ripper in case you die?

that cost no extra resources?

[lone topaz]

In a server i just dump em in the community chest for others lol

[gray sand]

If I wanted a spare, I would have deliberately made a spare.

[tiny tiger]

I see why they did it from a game balancing perspective

[gray sand]

It very much was from an annoyance perspective unless Smiffe declares differently.

[lone topaz]

Yep Duping the GemStone variants is not right lol

[gray sand]

Crafting giving you free upgrades is amazing.
Randomly giving me a second weapon I have no use for is annoying.

[tiny tiger]

Ooo I didn’t know about free upgrades that’s cool

[lone topaz]

Nice for a community though but fair for solo players

[tiny tiger]

For sure

[gray sand]

And given it's a single-player game... 😉

[tiny tiger]

I feel like it’s a co op game first solo second personally

[gray sand]

The people making the game disagree with you, so 🤷‍♂️

[tiny tiger]

Source?

[errant knoll]

Still think they coulda made it a setting where crafting has a chance on armor or weapons to either make extra, or partially refund resources, or something

So you get to choose the bonus

[gray sand]

I'm sure someone who tracks quotes can link you 🤷‍♂️
But the devs have outright stated it is a singleplayer game that happens to have co-op.
That is the design of it.

[tiny tiger]

Fair enough 🤷‍♂️

[gray sand]

It's part of why Catography Table is one of the sole "multiplayer-only" things in the game.

[tiny tiger]

And tower shields

[lone topaz]

And boats having a ton of seats...

[gray sand]

When you could probably take 5 minutes and come up with 10-15 other very easy MP features they could add that they deliberately have not.

[gray sand]

That only 1 person can row the boat from.

[tiny tiger]

And having map be visible to other players

[cosmic igloo]

i never felt like valheim is a "singleplayer" game

[tiny tiger]

yeah ima go check up on this

[cosmic igloo]

works equally good solo/multi imo

[gray sand]

🙄

[fervent raft]

Can I hit you with hammers

[errant knoll]

And the fact that resource costs for building structures are so expensive, sometimes that feels more like it's balanced for multiplayer than single

[cosmic igloo]

lmao

[gray sand]

Define expense in a game with infinite resources? 😄

[errant knoll]

Expense of time, which for the player is very much finite and ticking.

[gray sand]

Uh....

[tiny tiger]

Would be cool if having extra players on boats allowed you to move faster tbh rather than just afking

[gray sand]

People who play building games are completely fine with "time spent building" unless you're a super casual "I didn't know it was this much building" player.... in my experience.

[tiny tiger]

I mean they’d still be afk you would just get to where you need to go faster

[gray sand]

No.

[fervent raft]

Why not

[cosmic igloo]

true

[gray sand]

🙄

[cosmic igloo]

one person that steers/rows the ship and then extra seat that just helps with rowing

makes sense

[tiny tiger]

Exactly

[lone topaz]

or you know the longship having oarholes bot no oars for other vikings to use

[idle storm]

They're in line with pretty much every other survival-crafting game out there. If anything Valheim is a bit less grindy unless we're talking about building massive projects in survival mode.

[fervent raft]

I like building walls

Like attack on titan

[tiny tiger]

When you finally reach plains tier and go on a pillar destruction spree for your mega builds

[fervent raft]

Ye

I didn't reach plains yet in my current world but I started the wall project yesterday

[errant knoll]

I like building structures.

I don't like spending literal hours on end just right clicking at rocks to be able to build said structure.

Very often the structures aren't even thag big

I get that some level of grind is needed but if valheim is in the lower end then perhaps excessive grind is actually a valid criticism of the genre as a whole?

[tiny tiger]

How are you gathering mass stone?

[fervent raft]

I had a world where I had huge walls and I made it to mistlands but I quit that world and I might destroy those walls for stone

[cosmic igloo]

just make walls out of stone with hoe

[idle storm]

hammer mode is a thing

[fervent raft]

Can I hit you with hammers

[idle storm]

if you don't want to grind then don't

[errant knoll]

Hammer mode is a thing yes but don't you dare, the purist "designed as intended" people will come from out of the woodwork and attack you for not pslying the pure way

[lone topaz]

6k stone is easy enough to get done mining mountain rocks...

[fervent raft]

Everyone can play the way they want

[errant knoll]

Don't you know, the game is perfect as is.

(Early access by the way)

[fervent raft]

Some want big walls

[tiny tiger]

I think the grind makes progressing more rewarding, going back to previous biomes you feel so much stronger and it’s so much easier to harvest materials

[errant knoll]

Even with a black metal pickaxe grinding stone feels like it takes forever

[tiny tiger]

I’d love an option to only enable double resources from resources like wood and stone rather than everything

[idle storm]

In my mind it's like this: you don't need a giant megabase for anything in survival, ever. A reasonably sized base doesn't need too much grinding and for everyone who wants to build giant megabases there's hammer mode, so i don't consider it a balancing issue.

[tiny tiger]

but I guess that could be solved with mods

[errant knoll]

This, honestly

[fervent raft]

Plains pillars is easy

[keen tendon]

Exactly correct there.

[errant knoll]

I don't want to increase the resource grab for everything because for the vast majority of the game I feel like it's in a good spot.

But the grind for wood and stone is in no way meaningful to me in any capacity

[lone topaz]

Except for ashlands stuff its so low durability it cant be used for more than 10 minutes of combat...

[cobalt canyon]

I build big box. I fill with crafting stations. I done.

[errant knoll]

In ashlands I just don't bother building at all unless it's inside one of those fortresses that enemies can't break

[lone topaz]

Weapons wise anyway

[errant knoll]

Weapons not lasting for more than 10 minutes of combat? This is actually not a problem I've faced there, I'll be honest

[idle storm]

They have the same durability as other weapons, you're just stuck at level 2 rn for gemmed melee ones.

[cosmic igloo]

is there any way to rebind the action bar? i dont wanna reach to key 8

[lone topaz]

Yep 250 durability for those is awful when your fighting hordes in a server

[errant knoll]

I have yet to make my first gemmed weapon though, didn't realise the durability was that limited

I might just stick to the staff of fracturing in that case

[tiny tiger]

@gray sand Valheim GDC 2024 on yt at around 6 mins in “Valheim is a brutal exploration game for 1-10 players” “we cater to loads of different playstyles which means you can play together with a group of friends even though you aren’t all into the exact same type of game” “it’s a coop game you play it on your own server in your own time”

[gray sand]

I'm happy for you.

[lone topaz]

I typically have to carry three weapons just to compensate for it and i usually break all but one on runs in the ashlands

[idle storm]

You could just use the silver sword. Nearly everything in Ashlands is weak to spirit and it out-damages all other weapons thanks to that.

[tiny tiger]

lol

Glad we cleared it up

[cobalt canyon]

(Another case for carrying multiple weapons)

[errant knoll]

Actually that's a point, I never thought to compare mistwalker vs silver sword for ashlands

Mistwalkers still the all around superior weapon but is silver sword actually outdamaging it?

[idle storm]

I did a while ago. Iirc it does better dps even before you factor in the 25% lower sta cost.

[lone topaz]

lol the silver sword is my final sword its usually what i end up using after the two ash tier weapons break

[errant knoll]

That's quite cool

Worse vs the askvin but better vs basically everything else, and I was never using mistwalker for the asksvin anyway

I'll take silver sword in next time and see how it feels

[lone topaz]

Nidhog primal Dyrnwyn and then silver sword are what i use lol

[errant knoll]

Oh right mistwalker is winning vs voltures too

[lone topaz]

vultures are undead

[errant knoll]

Really? That's dumb

They lay eggs lol.

[idle storm]

You don't need to be undead to be weak to spirit

[errant knoll]

But voltures are actually weak to frost

It's not just about the spirit damage here

[idle storm]

Voltures also have terrible hp so they die in 2-3 hits to basically any mistland-tier weapon

[errant knoll]

Wonder if that affects things. Again probably not much.

It'll probably be like plains all over again where silver sword is a primary, with mistwalker as a cc backup if things start getting hairy

In plains it was frostner as the backup though m