valheim-chat

[runic quiver]

Fast as heck attack speeds

[foggy glacier]

Is it just speed?

[gray sand]

Get to Mistlands.
Acquire Krom.
Bask in your own glory.

[foggy glacier]

figured.

[runic quiver]

Conan Approved

https://tenor.com/view/conan-conan-the-barbarian-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-11092867

[foggy glacier]

hmm, might be interesting to do a "fists & 2 handed" playthrough to see what it's like.

[grand ravine]

they look cool. fast. decent damage for their tier. they look cool. like knives, no movement speed ding. also they look really cool.

[grand ravine]

one person on here is currently doing a fists only run.

flesh rippers will be the only melee weapon he gets. not sure if hes also gonna use a bow at some point

[foggy glacier]

gonna be hard to deal with gjall otherwise.

[runic quiver]

For those who have played with magic as a main weapon, do you recommend a full eitr-rich diet, or is it more 2/3 eitr 1/3 HP food. I typically do the latter but tried a full eitr setup and wasnt sure how i felt about being so squishy

[grand ravine]

nah, just throw a dwarf at it

[foggy glacier]

I'm currently running a hybrid build with 1 health, 1 stam & 1 eitr food.

when my magic skills were lower, I'd run 1 stam and 2 eitr to get enough for skellies.

[runic quiver]

Thats my ashlands strategy. Not having a gut morgen? Screw that dwarves are nearby

[grand ravine]

my friend does 2 eitr 1 hp. afaik 2 eitr 1 stam is also feasible

[runic quiver]

I actuall figured out a fairly simple way to level up blood magic superduper fast without hax.

Go make a graydwarf farm, and use skeletons to farm instead of wolvies. Yes it needs more attention but your shield taking damage increases the blood magic XP along eith damage dealt by the undead

[grand ravine]

dwarves seem to do ok in mistlands, buttt....they don't seem to last long in ashlands

[runic quiver]

I mean yea🤣. But im running the heck away

[grand ravine]

we use a body pile from a re-purposed draugr village in meadows

[runic quiver]

Thats fairly straightforward too. I alwaya thought those stopped spawning after a point

[grand ravine]

their pit is next to a pit full of necks. that one is for blocking.

[runic quiver]

How did you get necks in a pit? Lol

[foggy glacier]

yep. I used a draugr village instead because you can bury the body pile to avoid it being destroyed.

[grand ravine]

stairs up, jump over behind them, block. the shield knockback bounces em right in. easy peasy

[runic quiver]

Ah

Ive never considered casting necks into a pit before

[foggy glacier]

I used to level blocking with necks. Now I just use the skeleton raid.

kill off all the melee skellies and spam block while the archers shoot at me.

[grand ravine]

yeah get like a dozen in there and they level your block skill pretty efficiently

[runic quiver]

Oh thats not a bad idea actually. I get a decent amount of those still

[grand ravine]

also good plan 👍

[runic quiver]

Are you just trying to parry the archers?

[grand ravine]

not parry, that will slow the flow of blocks

just tank it

[runic quiver]

Ah ok

If i get that ill try it. I have the strangest luck with raids and got smacked with THEY WERE BROS, MAN back to back in 2h time window

[grand ravine]

yeah i got that one like 3 times in 4-5 hours right after we cleared the tower

they keeld so many guard dogs :/

[foggy glacier]

I mis-spoke. I just hold block. I don't try to parry, as @grand ravine said, it slows them down.

[runic quiver]

What i find absolutely wild is how everything will stop fighting each other to fight you.

At night because i have the queen defeated, roaches are out fighting goblins fighting skeletons fighting greykin

If i wander over to watch all of them suddenly go for me

Im concerned about what Fader will unleash at night if i kill him

[gray sand]

Sleep at night.
Problem solved.

[runic quiver]

I can sleep when im.... Wait a second

[frigid atlas]

Hi guys just downloaded it. Is my life over now?

[narrow cipher]

gg

[distant field]

No, it’s just started.

[burnt harbor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misty_Fjords_National_Monument Mistlands + Black Forest irl

tell me I'm wrong

btw I live (near) there

[hot bolt]

Do 2 star boars ever spawn randomly alone or do they only spawn at a boar stone?

[foggy glacier]

they have a chance to spawn randomly, but they're rare, and need to be outside a certain radius from centre (spawn stones)

[hot bolt]

How far from boss stones? like different island?

[grand ravine]

iirc it's 800m. not always on a different island. depends on how (big) your starting island generates. my new world has a couple on the same landmass. not exactly close to spawn either though.

[hot bolt]

hm ok ill wander my island but stay away from the boss stone

[frigid atlas]

Yep. Is every server password protected haha

[lost dagger]

No it's your afterlife

[hidden gorge]

don't you mean "yes, it's your afterlife"?

[lost dagger]

Possibly, isn't valhiem kinda like purgatory between life and death?

[hidden gorge]

something like that yeah. but regardless, your first life is over

[lost dagger]

Oh yea very dead

[keen cliff]

holy crap ,another swamp with 0 crypts. i'm going crazy

[hidden gorge]

it happens 😦

and then you get crypts with 0 iron...

[keen cliff]

if i found one of those at this point... lol

[scarlet ridge]

hi. i wonder if u guys know if valheim(or a mod for valheim) is going to get improved multiplayer?

for example something thats gonna make it more satisfying for people wanna join multiplayer etc

[hot bolt]

What does it mean when you find a boar spawner and absolutely no boars are in sight? Broken spawner?

[keen cliff]

what do you mean a boar spawn? do you mean a boar runestone?

[hot bolt]

ya

[keen cliff]

so from the wiki, it seems that a boar runestone means there will be some spawn points around it, plus some preset boars. nothing stops them from running off or just wandering. though i think they will be in that general area

if there's a black forest nearby, it's possible the got killed by greydwarves or something

[hot bolt]

in the middle of the meadow. its possible I've killled the boars but I thought they respawn close to it

[keen cliff]

sure, but it takes time

[hot bolt]

I mean last I was here was like 7 in game days ago so should be enough

[keen cliff]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Spawning_mechanics

[grand ravine]

boar stone boars do not respawn

[keen cliff]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Runestone

[grand ravine]

they are a one-time spawn

[keen cliff]

yeah, wiki say 1-9 spawn points near boar runestone, but they are one-time

[hot bolt]

darn

[grand ravine]

still tryna find a 2star?

[hot bolt]

ya

[grand ravine]

it can be really tough sometimes. in my newest world i found two on my starting island (which is pretty big) pretty quickly. in my older "main" world I'm doing with a friend, idt i saw one until i was hunting for beehives after we were in mistlands -.- ...tbh, I'm not sure theyre worth hunting for unless it's a personal achievement/completionist thing. if you see one, great (i always glance when passing them), but, 1stars in a breeding setup will give you plenty of mats

[hot bolt]

Cant even find 1 star lol

[grand ravine]

you'll find one. just take it as it comes kinda, ithink. if you've got any boars you're already ahead. I'd try and develop the habit of glancing any you pass to check for stars (and checking buildings for beehives), but, focus on just exploring the map. when you cover enough ground, your odds of seeing one get a lot higher

[jovial swift]

So is Valheim gonna rebalance the ore grind? Needing hundreds of ore per age just feels like such a chore

[grand ravine]

not likely, apart from the world modifiers. it forces you to explore, and in that sense is already well balanced imo. you can turn up resource rate, but then you end up exploring with no goal but uncovering the map, which is less engaging, turns into a different kind of grind...

[normal sierra]

you can set a worl modifier that 3x the amount of recieved items

[fair cairn]

the resource multiplyer of 1.5 or so works great

dramatically reduced grind for ore

[plucky knoll]

I’m pretty sure you won’t find any star boar within umm.. x amount from spawn area. Night time should increase your odds too

Some find boar farms not worth it, but I like to combine them w wolf farms and maybe a local carrot farm or setup near big patch o stuff to feed em

[fair cairn]

starred boars only spawn a certain distance from spawn but they can spawn at boar runes within that distance but only once

[hot bolt]

Ya I think I probably killed then early game so I’ll need to sail to different islands to find any I guess

[restive silo]

will an Asksvin egg hatch outside Ashlands?

[merry pebble]

i think it should 🤔 not 100% certain tho

[plucky knoll]

You can haul those bastards across the ocean w harpoon too, if you so choose

[merry pebble]

also fyi, the boars that spawn around runestones will always try to go back to the runestone if you take them away, so its best to breed a few there first

[plucky knoll]

Same w wolves, also wolves spawned at night will despawn. Gotta tame them in mountains and not leave them, for like 2 days or so

[merry pebble]

one day and night, taming takes 30 minutes

[plucky knoll]

Unless you interrupt taming process

[merry pebble]

also if you start taming they will not despawn 🙂 anywhere they are, not only mountains

[plucky knoll]

If you leave them I’m pretty sure they would. ONLY if they spawned at night tho

That’s the big diff imo

[merry pebble]

not if the taming started, one piece of food lasts for 10 minutes so you are safe for at least that amount of time

[plucky knoll]

Mkay, that tidbit is new to me. Good to know👍

A pit is best for taming anything like boars wolves and the umm muffalo (rimworld) lol
They will tear apart structures and never calm down cuz you’re spending time in close proximity to repair

Stone is ok if it’s super thick, just not worth it

Also.. best to have that enclosure or pit setup before hand if solo.

@hot bolt

[fossil oar]

what is up with the abomination ai? as soon as you get out of attakc range they just fucking book it away from you

i had one sprint up a sheer cliff into a mountain as i was desparately running after it, it attacked me maybe 3 times

[plucky knoll]

Up a cliff? Lol

[ember kraken]

Likely just a result of them trying to avoid mobs standing in place getting shot to pieces by bow. So some of them tries to get away if they can't reach you.

[plucky knoll]

That could be.
If you havnt tried it yet.. the surtling spawns are great to shred them

Whenever I find a few S spawners in a cluster.. I’ll setup portal w walls n level the SH out of the area. And it can double as an Abom farm too

Surtlings instantly explode on water of course for those who don’t know.
And if you work it right can keep an abomination sitting in flames til he explodes lol

But as for your original Q. Again I bring up the harpoon. Buuut that may not help if he’s dead set at running away when your solo
@ember kraken

[ember kraken]

?

[plucky knoll]

Please hold all questions until the end of the lecture lol

No what’s up?

[ember kraken]

Was curious why you pinged me?

[plucky knoll]

Because it was relevant to you, trying to better answer your issue

[ember kraken]

I didn't have an issue, I was just explaining the likely reason to the behaviour to another user.

[plucky knoll]

Gotcha

I think I’ll slink away now lol

[indigo beacon]

anyone else feel guilty when using no portal restrictions? I know its just a game and i can play how I want but something feels wrong about it lol

[ember kraken]

Naah, not at all. I've played through the game several times now, some with normal portal restrictions, and more without. I've done it the normal way, and when playing solo I just can't be arsed to do that again.

I do actually enjoy the restriction when playing multi though.

[fair cairn]

probably cause thats not how the game was made and in aslands you get a new portal which lets you portal metals but is now useless to u

[indigo beacon]

ive only ever made it to swamp so i didnt know that

thats interesting

[wraith sun]

and the game is not competetive so it's not cheating as it's just you and your world, you can play it the way you wan 🙂

[indigo beacon]

true, i just made a new world and i put raids off and death penalty to skills only lost a very little

[ionic iron]

Yes you should feel guilty, Odin is very disappointed in you

It’s that kind of comment from the Valheim community making you feel that way 😂

[buoyant ether]

was it that u can only catch serpents on a storm ?

[fair cairn]

they spawn during storms and remain untill killed

[buoyant ether]

ahhhh

so can find on a chill weather too, pog pog pog pog

[fair cairn]

other serpents i beleive spawn during the night (if not a storm)and despawn at day

lets see what the drakepuncher says

[merry pebble]

yep, serpents spawn during nights and storms in full ocean biome, the storm spawned ones can remain around indefinetly

[buoyant ether]

appreciated

[terse flare]

played 90 hours of valheim still cant find a leviathan

[sturdy linden]

I think they spawn at a certain radius away from spawn, so you could try to sail in one direction straight ! 🙂

[buoyant ether]

man this game has become my fav comfy game

just the vibe alone often is immaculate

[sturdy linden]

Totally agree !

[buoyant ether]

we have a nice little draugr esque village on a shore on this playthrough

[merry pebble]

they dont have a set radius i believe, the only requirements are full Osean zone and 30+ meters of depth 🙂

[buoyant ether]

oh and its kinda funny how we was both dying to have mods for some freshness of gameplay but that just made us appreciate the vanilla game so so so much more

its like, at some point in modding u start thinking about the game like a dev, not like a player and thats an issue

[sturdy linden]

Aaah yeah might be an unintended radius since spawn is elevated ^^

[merry pebble]

true 🙂

but the starting island can be a lot of shapes, not only circle 😄

[sturdy linden]

Some mods go waaaaay too far into extra content tho it's hilarious 🥲

It's like playing skyrim with 500 mods ahah

[sturdy linden]

In case you didn't know map generation isn't actually completly random, it comes from a unique master map, and since they wanted the spawn to have bigger islands they just make elevation on a radius around spawn higher than the rest of the map, which has the added side effect of shallower oceans.
Hence my comment 😛

[merry pebble]

oh i knew it was not completly random 🙂 but i never really got to specifics of how it is generated

[sturdy linden]

Yeah I went in depth one night, was curious 😄

They used ingenious technics like that

[wraith sun]

if you generate enough worlds you will notice a star like pattern of meadows around the spawn 😄

[sturdy linden]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fvalheim-master-map-v0-5pfqm6uofuhc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dd7434e2fa42019b6039e398af7bc0c06fea01ed7

[merry pebble]

oh yes, i know the map of biome generation 😄 but i really dont know anything about height map

[sturdy linden]

The master map btw 😄

I'm lucky enough to have the second tallest mountain on my current playthrough 😛

[wraith sun]

does that mean you can have a starting island with spawn right next to the second or third biggest mountain?

[sturdy linden]

Technically yes, but the way the map is generated after a central point is picked will flatten the spawn area if I'm correct, so it might not reach that max height 🙂

[wraith sun]

ahh

[sturdy linden]

But it's kinda funny to try and locate your seed's map on that master map 😄

[wraith sun]

and then the land near ashlands get lowered so that you always have to sail i asume?

[sturdy linden]

I'm pretty sure they completly changed how ashlands are generated from the rest of the game.

I make that assumption because from all the map's I've seen from other players, ashlands will always have a big central island with smaller islands on the east and west !

Plus ashlands as some low max height, where big mountains would otherwise be ^^

[merry pebble]

hmm, the map seems to have few mistakes tho, like rivers where they shouldnt be, one should be going through my starter island, but that might be because of the "flattening" of starting area 🤔

also aparently i have the second tallest also XD

[sturdy linden]

Yup !

It does both flatten max height and min height, which results in larger islands

[wraith sun]

is the master map remade each major update?

[sturdy linden]

nope, same since launch !

[wraith sun]

strugeling to find a area i once found where a mistland was in the midle sorrounded by mountain that went all the way around it and stretching abit down

[sturdy linden]

Although like I said they did change how ashlands are generated, they're probably either using a different new master map exclusively for ashlands or just use something to generate the shapes from seed, don't know ^^

[merry pebble]

the biomes on the map are not entirely accurate, try looking for shapes

[sturdy linden]

This ^

Master map gives shapes, more than specific biomes

[wraith sun]

ohh so i can't count on the mountain biome either as the elevation can be lower or higher then?

[merry pebble]

mountains should be mostly the same

[sturdy linden]

From what I remember it fluctuates a little based on seed, but overall tall mountains will be tall 😛

[wraith sun]

hmm

[sturdy linden]

And I can confirm the second tallest mountain breaks the cloud barrier on my world ! 😄

[merry pebble]

me too 😄

[fair cairn]

litterally had one right outside my spawn island

[sturdy linden]

Might just be a rare occurrence of ocean being deep enough near spawn 🤔

That being said I've never had trouble finding leviathans, I have so many on my map 🥲

[merry pebble]

i also have like 5 around the starter island 🙂

[sturdy linden]

Aaaaah found what I was looking for ! 😄

If you guys are interested in how map generation is done using seed based mechanics have a look at that blog post, it's from another game (factorio) but the concepts are the same really ! 🙂

https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-390

[fair cairn]

the one single serpent i had is on the shortest route from my starter island to the big island next door which has a swamp and the lightning deer and elder and bonemas spawns

[haughty wigeon]

I'm playing here with game music muted, and a medieval playlist on background. I arrived in the mountain, and started the music "Far over misty montain cold" 😄

[fair cairn]

its a shame i never really got into factorio, huh

[sturdy linden]

It's an amazing game really, plus expansion coming soon ! 😄

But it is very niche, so yeah 😛

[buoyant ether]

am planning a challenge run, no map etc. got any ideas for good rules?

might be me + few others

[buoyant ether]

i cant stand those kind of games 😭 😭 my adhd wont let my autism to get into it

[fair cairn]

i simply get too frustrated trying to figure out how to best set it up and then leave and play something simpler

[sturdy linden]

Actually late game it kinda becomes soothing, just make a HUGE factory that is made from equally sized squares and all that jazz 😄

[sturdy linden]

But but ... The factory must grow ?

[buoyant ether]

just the aesthetic alone gives me an anneurysm 💀

[sturdy linden]

Oh well 🥲

[buoyant ether]

im more of an unga to the bunga kinda gamer

(minus jrpg's 😏 )

[sturdy linden]

I have screenshots from my factorio base that would probably make you go insane then x)

[wraith sun]

i wish you could drop explosive payload on the ground and blow it up like the unstable lava rocks

[winged cedar]

when is the ashland nerf coming to live servers?

[wraith sun]

no official date

[latent gorge]

They gonna nerf Ashland’s?

[sturdy linden]

Yes, pretty heavy nerf on spawn rates :/

[gray sand]

Happens every time they make a biome good. 🤷‍♂️

[sturdy linden]

I wouldn't mind if they added a spawn rate slider instead of just straight up nerfing the biome, but oh well

[fair cairn]

same type of players that would play eldenring(dark souls) and complain its hard till it gets nerfed

[sharp bluff]

so far the only nerfs were either to balance batshit broken stuff or to fix unintended effects
such as a certain albinaruic bumrushing you so hard half the bloodstains of the fight were in front of the fogwall

the only other "nerf" was og radahn, but he literally had broken hitboxes

[buoyant ether]

oh if u play in vanilla with more ppl is the base setting "player based progression" ? aka u gotta be present for the boss kill ?

[fair cairn]

you gotta kill/injure the boss idk if just being present is enough

[keen cliff]

the game is trying very hard to not give me iron. 3/4 swamps had no crypts. next swamp, finally find a crypt: 17 iron. lol

[buoyant ether]

well yeah thats what i meant

be part of the kill etc.

ok yeah

thxxx

ngl sometimes i feel like i should have multiple runs going at the same time

[fair cairn]

oh and no the base setting isnt player based raids iirc

[merry pebble]

vanilla is that whole world is affected by boss kills, player based raids changes it from "this world has these bosses killed" to "this player picked up drops from these bosses" when checking what raids to give you

[buoyant ether]

so if someone kills a boss everybody gets the progression from it ?

ooooh ok ok, its from the sliderz

[fair cairn]

with out that setting yes

[merry pebble]

but not all of you get items from it, you have to be in vicinity for that (at least for bosses that dont give fixed ammount of drops)

[buoyant ether]

man sometimes being able to recycle would be sooooooo nice

whats the point of a 2h wpn if its hits same dmg as a 1h? 😭

[merry pebble]

which weapon do you mean?

[buoyant ether]

spirit axe for example

claws out dps it sooooo bad

[merry pebble]

those are also 2 handed 😉

[nocturne wolf]

What’s the 1-handed weapon that hits the same as the battleaxe?

[buoyant ether]

swords ?

[nocturne wolf]

The silver sword does less damage, uses a different skill and has different knockback and stagger multipliers for the secondary attack

[buoyant ether]

susge

[dapper totem]

did they increase the number of tetra fish structure spawns

[merry pebble]

i do not think so, at least not recently

[amber fern]

What are tetra fish

[azure yacht]

A type of fish

[merry pebble]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Tetra

[fair cairn]

yes, the floor is made of floor

[forest tree]

why do we not have a 4x2 black marble piece?

[amber fern]

Huh, so it's just a fish with nothing special about it other than rarity (fishing hat I guess)? I found a Tetra fish that was just lying on a mountainside that I could pick up, but I didn't take it as picking it up didn't unlock any recipes and thought meh just a fish.

[merry pebble]

Thats basically it 😄

[keen cliff]

bleh. this swamp, which i had high hopes for, gave me only two crypts and 3.5 stacks of iron. maybe i'll give up on iron for now. i guess i can move on with what i have.

[fair cairn]

you really are unlucky with iron huh

[keen cliff]

yeah, this map has been horrible for crypts.

i've explored 5 swamps. none of them ending up very big, and only 2 have had crypts, 5 crypts total

Bonemass is in a different swamp that i haven't explored yet, a small boat ride from the swamp i currently have the 3.5 stacks parked at. So i could potentially just say "screw it", and go kill him with my current load out, and hope the swamp he's in is good

[grand ravine]

my new map doesn't suffer from this, but my last map mostly had very small strips of swamp and it took forever to find a good one

[keen cliff]

Yeah. Crypts aren't created on edges. You need some depth

[keen cliff]

as i tried to clear a rock out of a river, a "helpful" troll showed up

[grand ravine]

see they're not all bad. idk why everyone always just kills them....

ohhhh maybe i should fill my moat with trolls

[merry pebble]

i dont always "just kill them", i also use them for mining and choping sometimes before i kill them 😄

[grand ravine]

if i can't drag abominations into it that's what I'll do. trolls.

[keen cliff]

yeah, the troll did help me clear the rock. and then i killed him

i need him for this next rock though, lol. this river was maybe a bade choice

[grand ravine]

so much killing. why can't we all just get alloonnggg

[merry pebble]

i need troll armor 😄

[grand ravine]

lol again?

[merry pebble]

oh no, i mean at the beginning 🙂

[keen cliff]

this river journey has attacted yet another troll

[grand ravine]

see, rivers are funnn

[merry pebble]

YAY, free labor!! 😄

[keen cliff]

with a big log this time. now he's dead 😦

i was in an awkward spot with bad food, so i didn't put him to use

[grand ravine]

again with the killing :/

[jagged wind]

U can always have very easy difficulty for neutral mobs :p

[grand ravine]

pffft

next challenge: no-kill run

[jagged wind]

thats possible i think.. if u tame wolves at the start

and let the wolves do the killing

[merry pebble]

i mean... the objective of this game is killing 😄

[jagged wind]

altho.. idk how would u get the meat for wolves

[keen cliff]

i thought this was a farming sim... wait do i hear another troll?

[jagged wind]

maybe lure some mobs to kill some animals

[grand ravine]

nahhhh the objective is getting to the end

i bet it's possible to only kill bosses

[merry pebble]

objective is to kill all the Forsaken to get to Valhalla 😉

[keen cliff]

and i'm out of the river and back in the ocean

[feral venture]

why am i not automatically picking up items anymore?

[keen cliff]

v

[merry pebble]

press V

[feral venture]

oh shit ty guys

[grand ravine]

yeahbut. what if you only kill forsaken and not the friendly things, like trolls, and deer, and mosquitoes...

[merry pebble]

i think your definition of "friendly" is a bit off my friend XD

[grand ravine]

XD

a moat should hold an abomination, right..? 🤔

[maiden epoch]

Hello - new here; picked up Valheim during the Steam summer sale recently and I'm completely hooked. Doing my first full playthrough now. Building a main base in a Meadows near Black Forest and Swamp, near enough to Mountains. So I'm mining in the Black Forest, no Trolls for days until someone here mentions them 🙂

[grand ravine]

you have made an exceedingly wise decision. 👍

[hallow totem]

i am new to valheim anyone want to play a new world and have fun

[merry pebble]

#1024264966712340510 🙂

[merry pebble]

that is the risk of coming here XD

[keen cliff]

alright. iron transport successful, despite a hazardous river traversal and 2 trolls

i should probably go back to that river at some point and clear a couple more rocks though. or maybe skip it next time 🙂

[grand ravine]

you should make your next base only accessible by river.

[keen cliff]

oh the pain

[grand ravine]

doooo iiittttt

[vital tiger]

Question, wanna make sure i get this right before posting in suggestions
How is the save game system working ? Like, at regular timings (most of the time the beginning of the day) you get an auto save done. Then an auto save is made when quitting the lobby. Then you have a menu for characters and worlds for their saves. But if you go check it out (for science purpose, not because we died at the end of the wolrd with no easy way back...) they don't match at all. So during a session, autosaves keep overriding themselves until you quit the session, and when you quit there is no option to say "don't autosave".
Am i missing something ? That looks either like a bug or a really bad design choice

[bold chasm]

I wish the map changed when you removed trees or changed the terrain or built stuff

[keen spoke]

some one to defeat the Fader

[grand ravine]

ithink "don't autosave" would be a strange, bad design choice for a survival game... having easy access to the backups even seems questionable. opens the door to basically save-scumming, and some games are designed that way for a reason, and others not, for a reason...like if you're playing a soulslike and alt+f4 every time you die, then..uh...play a different game

valheim was designed to have a repercussion if you sail off the edge of the world. (shrug) imean it sucks, but....gear can be remade..

[hidden gorge]

they don't override themselves

also, several survival games do immediately save upon death wiping out your character/world entirely. the stakes in valheim are comparatively pretty low

[vital tiger]

are you sure about that ? You get the warning about every 30 min, and checking the save tree it was 1h48 that got lost

[grand ravine]

also iguess I'm unsure if you fell off the edge of the world or just died really far from home? in which case, that's why we have portals..

[hidden gorge]

they don't overwrite themselves immediately I guess I should say -- there are several backups on my characters/worlds

[timid sun]

My worlds know how to back it up for real

[vital tiger]

well i was in mistland, moving my portal, and stumbled onto an angry dwergr mage. i didn't know the fire would be 50 fire damage for at least 3 ticks, you're just dead without your portal, and your boat docked on another island with most your quality gear. That'd be hours to get back what an auto save would save you with less stress in < 30 min

[grand ravine]

ohhh. game saves every 30 minutes, but those saves aren't pushed to the backup file every time. when loading a backup file you will go back a few saves, yes. and this doesn't seem like a bad design choice, it's a good one. if a save corrupts, you want backup to be a few saves before that

[grand ravine]

ahh. i never move my only portal in an area. i put up a new one (or two) first, always.

[hidden gorge]

like I mentioned before -- those are pretty low stakes compared to other games. think of it as a new mission or side quest or something

[vital tiger]

imo the purpose of the auto save is not save-scumming, just mitigate errors where you couldn't know
So imo each autosave should be a different save, tagged as such in the name of the save. Such as
World_X_Day_Y_Autosave_.Timestamp
World_X_Day_Y_Exit_Timestamp

[timid sun]

Not that I die much but I do always try to consider the possibility of death and am constantly preparing to make retrieval as painless as possible in the event of spontaneously ceasing to live. Lesson learned from some painful experiences 😦

[grand ravine]

#valheim-chat message

[vital tiger]

well if a save corrupts you're screwed anyway because when you leave the server, it will be saved to file in a corrupt state

[hidden gorge]

you are meant to die throughout the course of the game, and come back having learned something from those deaths

[wet lodge]

so how are you supposed to see in mistlands?

I placed 15 of those wisp torches and they do nothing, I cant see 2m

[buoyant ether]

was the next bow after dragrfang the mistlands bow ?

[foggy glacier]

spinesnap, yes

[wet lodge]

I cant even see ticks that are on my character

[grand ravine]

....and that's why the backup saves are from earlier. so youre not screwed. you just lose an hour instead of 500

[hidden gorge]

that's the neat part, you don't

[wet lodge]

so fighting gjalls is impossible

[foggy glacier]

did you beat Yagluth yet?

[wet lodge]

cuz I cant even see the ticks that jump onto me, cant kill them

[hidden gorge]

wisplight, wisp torches, and mistwalker all clear a bit of the mist away

[wet lodge]

they dont though

[hidden gorge]

stop drop and roll

[wet lodge]

like I said, I placed 10 in close proximity to each other, spaced a few meters, and the mist is still completely blocking my vision

[vital tiger]

i didn't say anything about deleting saves, i have no idea how you can get to this conclusion. Just asking for each save to be serialized is all, would make more sense. If i see an auto save i expect to be able to load an autosave, it's simple as that. But the fact is it's not possible, saves don't match what the UI tells you during the game

[hidden gorge]

might ask in #mods-discussion for a save-scum mod

[grand ravine]

i didn't either. go back and read more carefully?

[keen cliff]

the saves only matter if the game crashes right? i'm confused by this discussion, as I've never had any issue with saves before.

[vital tiger]

you're saying you don't want anything done on autosave feature because you're expect to die regularly and having to deal with it, and you're afraid of corruption on saves. And that you believe "using" the save system, which is already developed in the game, is save scumming
i'm saying it's a bug that auto saves don't match what can be seen in the save menu and that you cannot reload any save when the game chose to save. Which is the opposite of save scumming. So you're set back multiple days when in theory auto save would indicate you lose max 1 day

[grand ravine]

im not saying that and asserting that i am instead of asking if i am is the problem here. go. back. and. read.
#valheim-chat message

auto save and backup are not the same thing.

for a reason.

[feral venture]

i hate the mistlands with a passion cant see shitt and 2 star seekers just pull up on you and pretty much one shot you while fighting a gjall that you cant see either

[trail lotus]

do you have the wisp?it not mutch but its better then nothing

[feral venture]

ye i have the wisp and the best gear from plains but still doesnt cut it for the infested caves

doesnt cut it outside the ccave either

[trail lotus]

what weapon your using ?

[feral venture]

lvl 4 black metal sword

[grand ravine]

you can do it, but have to adapt your tactics. listen more than look, choose where you fight, dodge more than tank, etc...

[vital tiger]

i guess it's as simple as disagreeing on that
Any other game i know which uses autosave is save that is actually loadable (comparing any RPG game)

[grand ravine]

that's...not subjective. they are not the same thing.
and this is not an rpg. compare valheim to the save system in a soulslike.

[keen cliff]

at the end of the day, you can play the game however you want. if you think the auto-save system is broken, you can open a bug. however, the intent is to save corrupted games, not recover from a mistake and save time. So it doesn't matter what anyone here really thinks, it's if the devs think what you're saying is true or not.

[grand ravine]

they way a game like valheim works, you can't just autosave the world state every x minutes. you'd have to save the entire world. it's not reasonable like it is for an rpg. the way save/autosave/backup works is as close to ideal as you can get

[strange coyote]

I've just recently made it to the mistlands as well and felt the same way at first. I found some success using the frostner. The slow effect really comes in handy when you're getting overwhelmed. That and parrying has really helped me deal with the stronger enemies

[merry pebble]

dont go at night then?

[vocal rivet]

This game produces saves that are load able. I don't think anyone would play if it didn't.

[merry pebble]

you are able to one shot staggered seeker with secondary attack, or 2-3 normal attacks, thats pretty good if you ask me

[feral venture]

Not 2 star seeker tho they able to stagger me then 2 shot me😂

[merry pebble]

you dont have to deal with those if you dont go at night 😉 (also you should have bonemass with you)

at day max is 1 star and with bonemass those are basically the same as 0 stars (well a bit stronger but also easy)

[feral venture]

Does it matter if its night time in the caves tho? Cuss thats where hes currently sitting

[obtuse remnant]

I've spent about 10-12 hours in Ashlands (late start) and I finally got to a point where I have been able to mine some Flametal. I've noticed that some of the veins are quite far into the lava... is there something I am missing here? I have found a few others that are closer which I have been able to safely get to.

[merry pebble]

oh in mine? yeah, those can be annoying, i advise to use bombs

[merry pebble]

they are suposed to be pretty far in the lava field

[grand ravine]

have you made basalt bombs yet?

[obtuse remnant]

Not yet, no

[feral venture]

Ooh i havent thought of that. I just need the cores from the mine but the 2 star straight up destroyed me right as i tried blocking his attack

[grand ravine]

they are your friends.

[merry pebble]

yeah, they tend to do that, even with bonemass, thats why i sugest using bombs, they are op as heck 😄

[hidden gorge]

eh, they're terrible friends at best, who'll leave you in the lurch at a moments notice

[merry pebble]

well its not that surprising considering you have thrown them into lava XD

[obtuse remnant]

For the veins that are far into the lava field, is there a trick? The lava eats me alive and I've tried building pseudo bridges but they all get destroyed. If it is close enough I can manage with just building a one way bridge each way

[grand ravine]

better friends than those jumping lava balls

[merry pebble]

the basalt bombs that were mentioned will help you 🙂

[obtuse remnant]

I suppose I should read item descriptions...

[sharp raptor]

Throw a basalt bomb in the lava and you will see the way

[wet lodge]

my mate completely underestimated a seeker soldier, got 1 shot

had to solo him for 4 min till he died

[merry pebble]

1 shot? what gear did he have?

[wet lodge]

max padded armor

[grand ravine]

yeahhh soldiers are fun

[wet lodge]

1 star soldier just does 150 damage

[merry pebble]

that doesent seem right... are you plaing with increased difficulty?

[wet lodge]

no

[merry pebble]

oh, one star, that makes sense then 😄

[wet lodge]

in the middle of the fight 2 normal seeker joined in

was rough, im on fenris armor and use blackmetal knife

[grand ravine]

XD sounds like a party

[dense tide]

Is there a way to hoe the ground to the same level?

Sometime the ground is too curve and I added stone to increase the height and flat it again. Then ends up the ground is not completely flat

[grand ravine]

leveling ground will try to level it to the same height ground is where you're standing. so don't move at first, click all around your feet then in bigger circles

[keen cliff]

okay, wolf in pit with meat, covered and portected

i considered trying to do this at night, but my little guy would get wrecked by starred wolves. lol

[grand ravine]

just dont get hit XD

[dense tide]

So basically I should check if all the ground I need are completely flat using hoe before I build?

[keen cliff]

i got hit a bunch trying to kick that guy into the whole

[wet lodge]

got one shot by another 1 star soldier that appeared, didnt care that I had 180 hp :)

they are just so insanely commonplace

[grand ravine]

yeah mostly level makes it easier

[grand ravine]

i wish. soon you'll be hunting for them

[wet lodge]

3rd 1 star soldier appeared

[wet lodge]

why would I, they are everywhere. its like greydwarves

[merry pebble]

i am not sure if you are really lucky or unlucky XD

[wet lodge]

since they 1 shot unless I activate bonemass, and bonemass has cd... I think unlucky

[nocturne wolf]

It’s lucky if you need more mandibles, but I don’t remember needing them for much

And only unlucky if you get hit

[plush umbra]

true

[dark edge]

when im sailign and motor ability turns off (the wind is facing directly towards me)

[grand ravine]

mandibles. and trophies, if you want the queen's head in your house.

oh she does speak

[grand ravine]

i always need mandibles.

[nocturne wolf]

What for? I haven’t been in mistlands for almost a year

[grand ravine]

himminafl, spear, helm..

[merry pebble]

and thats pretty much all 🙂

[dark edge]

i dislike drakes

[grand ravine]

ive ended up needing for like 3 of each +upgrades for myself, friend, and an alt. iirc i still need one more soldier to finish the upgrades -.-

[sharp raptor]

Soldier trophies are also useful for resummoning the queen

[dark edge]

queen is ugly ngl

[grand ravine]

i need to put queen head above charred body/legs. need.

[supple crag]

I just started the game and I finished the first boss how should I prepare for the Black Forest?

[grand ravine]

finewood bow, fire arrows

forest is where you really start preparing

[merry pebble]

also flint axe and upgraded club

[supple crag]

Thanks 🙏

[nocturne wolf]

Level 3 shield (normal or tower, both are good), level 3 flint weapon and beehives is all you really need

[merry pebble]

i would sugest round shield, it will let you learn to parry 🙂

[wet lodge]

or abyssal razor :3

knives are easy mode tho

[nocturne wolf]

That would mean using a raft

[fair cairn]

abyssal razor is kinda swamp level

[nocturne wolf]

It’s swamp tier but can be made early

[wet lodge]

in my current world I have bronze buckler, razor and finewood bow before any boss

just cuz I can, I wish they had left a loophole for blackmetal too

[nocturne wolf]

I think the midpoint of the game is the perfect spot for a boss like Moder who locks so much content

[wet lodge]

the dream of a no boss to max gear run 😔

[merry pebble]

lets not spoil too much for them guys 😉

[grand ravine]

yeahhhh, no-kill run is on my list now

maybe bosses only

[nocturne wolf]

No kills and no skills run

[grand ravine]

and if a wolf or lox happens to get out of its pen and happens to leave 300 blackmetal at my door...well, that just happens to have happened

[grand ravine]

doable.

imean probably not by me, but...im sure someone can

my buddy told me someone recently beat elden ring using a ddr dance pad as a controller.

pretty sure a no kill val run would be easier than that

[wet lodge]

indirect kills only

[nocturne wolf]

Pickaxes only

[wet lodge]

early on you kill stuff with fire, then get wolves

[grand ravine]

right. falling trees, acceptable. kiting a lox into forest for troll hide, acceptable.

yessssss fire spread

[grand ravine]

ngl this also sounds super fun

[nocturne wolf]

I would try it but none of my friends want to and I don’t like singleplayer

[wet lodge]

I might do a run where I give myself 2 tears and then do a bossless run

and the stuff for the press

[grand ravine]

dooo iittttttt

[nocturne wolf]

What would the goal be in bossless? All enemy trophies?
With bosses the goal is to get their trophies so this would work well

[grand ravine]

dyrnwyn

[keen cliff]

first shot at looking for wolf2 fails. but i did find another frost cave for later. so that's something

[sharp raptor]

Have a server where you never get raided?

[vocal rivet]

Just turn raids off then.

[grand ravine]

ehhh, that's easy, just turn off raids or make a new world and bring boss trophies in

[nocturne wolf]

Boss trophies don’t affect raids, the boss needs to die in that world

[wet lodge]

how come dwarven wards protect buildings, but the player wards dont?

[nocturne wolf]

They don’t protect buildings, they just anger the dvergr

[merry pebble]

they function exactly the same

[sharp raptor]

They are essentially an alarm system

They tell you when your stuff is under attack

[wet lodge]

they seemed to activate whenever a fuling hit stuff near it earlier

[merry pebble]

yes, thats how player built one works too, it alerts you (or dvergr) if something within its area of effect is damaged

[wet lodge]

aah

[merry pebble]

you did activate the ones you built, did you?

[grand ravine]

oh! so, once my friend was chopping something (rock or a tree?) near an outpost once and they got all riled up. is that a thing

[merry pebble]

yep

[grand ravine]

harsh

[nocturne wolf]

If it’s in range of the ward, it belongs to the dvergr

[uncut scaffold]

hey guys i was looking for the headstone recovery service my girlfriend and i just lost like everything we had to moder, i have a teleport from spawn to my base which is like a 5 minute sail to the shore all our stuff is on. can anyone point me in the right direction?

[grand ravine]

lol i kept sayin "okay, we want to keep them friendly for now, so no funny business." and then he got fire staff. goes up to top of rock. shoots into the mist in all directions.
..mf.

[grand ravine]

#1033392094817046630 message

good idea to try and get a portal up closer, anyway/meantime. I'd help myself but don't have solid internet atm 😬

[uncut scaffold]

thank u i just found that server on reddit too!! and yeah she completely destroyed our fob

we were fighting her on the shore between a swamp and mistlands, i had her to literally like a fingernail of hp and my bonemass buff wore off and died to draugr arrows 😦

[grand ravine]

XD yeah i gave up tying to keep portal super close, the one i have for her now is a minute's run down the mountain

[grand ravine]

oof. that's some bad luck

[quaint jewel]

Hello, what is the current latest version of Valheim server?
Is it: 14674300?

[merry pebble]

what server? current version of the game is 0.218.19 if thats what you are after

[uncut scaffold]

it was a minutes run down the mountain and she just camps it its all the way on the shore 😦

[grand ravine]

🤔 did she follow you there?

[uncut scaffold]

yeah yesterday she went down and destroyed it but i was able to lose aggro and rebuild it and then today when we went back she was just chillin on the side of the mountain ready to fuck it up again

[keen cliff]

alright, wolf2 in a pit being tamed. phew

[grand ravine]

i do recommend 2+ portals in any sensitive area. in ashlands, i dont trust any area that has less than 3, because 2 can (and do) break from some random thing at the same time.

[uncut scaffold]

my gf suggested that and just saw you type that and gave me a mean look

[quaint jewel]

Thank you. I can't see the game version in the Linux server update message

[uncut scaffold]

we will def do that tho, hopefully brs works for us

[hidden gorge]

Covered portals and benches typically survive pretty well because they don't aggro anything

[quaint jewel]

I posted the server message in #screenshots
I don't know if we have the latest version of Valheim installed

[grand ravine]

🤣 ...sometimes it's overkill. but when you hit that 5-10%, it's often worth the "overly cautious" habit

[hidden gorge]

You can cover a portal and workbench with like a single stack of wood (grausten in the Ashland)

[grand ravine]

when ark survival first came out it was so brutal (nothing like it is now), i developed deep-seated redundancy/contingency habits

[merry pebble]

there is not really any info on the version there, you could try to click the "more info " button

[wet lodge]

1 star seeker also do 200 damage?

just oneshot me, 160hp , 52 armor

[hidden gorge]

Seems a bit low for the mistlands, no?

[grand ravine]

the one time 2 broke at once, one was to the asksvin/charred chasing me, the other was ithink a morgen that got mad at some random thing like 60m away

[keen cliff]

hell, i have 58 armor and i haven't killed bonemass yet

[grand ravine]

fenris is the winner. always and forever. eventually you just add ashen cape. js.

[merry pebble]

ask set and cape are also awesome 🙂

[keen cliff]

i don't think i'm particularly good at this game, so i would probably wear heavier armor at that point to be able to take a hit

[carmine kestrel]

Has anyone ever had an occurrence where they can't find one shop, but they find the plains shop, instead?

[wet lodge]

the hp? we dont have mistlands food yet

and armor I got to wait until we get the eitr armor

[hidden gorge]

yeah you can't fight near them, that defeats the purpose. enclose/hide them and avoid coming back to it while being followed

[carmine kestrel]

and I mean I can't find the Black Forest shop at all... Not on four stretches of land.

[sharp raptor]

Think they meant your armor value

[quaint jewel]

It seems like the server we are trying to connect to has the 11 June build
https://steamdb.info/app/896660/patchnotes/ BuildID: 14674300

Is it possible to downgrade our Valheim version to match 11th of June build?

[wet lodge]

my fenris armor is at max

[hidden gorge]

you're not supposed to get hit in fenris armor

[merry pebble]

well there is no trader in plains, but Hildir is pretty often right next to plains and sometimes appear sitting right in them 🙂

[wet lodge]

since you are chronically out of stamina, its hard to avoid

stamina meads dont cut it and are too expensive long term

[carmine kestrel]

.> The shop I am referring to has a clothes sign and not a money pot sign though

~.~ all it has is furniture and clothes

[hidden gorge]

rest breaks are pretty easy, but also stamina meads (of all sorts) are really quite cheap

[sharp raptor]

But have you tried the lingering stam ones you get from the royal jelly in the mistlands dungeons? Those are the best

[carmine kestrel]

no fishing pole T.T or belt

[merry pebble]

yep, thats Hildir 🙂 if you want Haldor you have to look through Black Forest 😄

[carmine kestrel]

but I've been to four main stretches of land with Black Forest and he's nowhere

[wet lodge]

like I already said, we dont have mistlands food

[grand ravine]

i been rockin ask set and ashen cape when im lookin for a tussle

[wet lodge]

1star seekers and soldiers are a constant situation

[carmine kestrel]

@merry pebble is it normal for him to be so far away from the first boss????

I found him on my main game on the main island

[grand ravine]

you will soon ascend, little grasshopper. embrace the fenris within!

[merry pebble]

well first boss is in meadows, so yes?

[hidden gorge]

if you need some additional muscle I'm willing to hop in, just send me a dm

[carmine kestrel]

~.~ I don't know where else to look for him...

[sharp raptor]

Well if you can get some of the mistlands mushrooms strewn about and set up a little farm somewhere you could have mistlands food

[carmine kestrel]

and I didn't see any other land formations.

[merry pebble]

usually its a good idea and sail around islands with black forest

[hidden gorge]

I've always found haldor by just sailing around the starting island / islands neighboring the starting one

[carmine kestrel]

I'm afraid to get on a boat without any idea of where to find land though... ~.~ I seriously don't see anything else anywhere nearby.

[hidden gorge]

9/10 times he's next to the elder

[grand ravine]

yeah the morgen side-rolled into it, i was barely close enough to see it

[merry pebble]

or fairly close to elder 🙂

[sharp raptor]

Do you have portal materials?

[carmine kestrel]

I already went to the elder's island. That's where I found the other shop.@hidden gorge

@sharp raptor No I don't have portals yet.

[wet lodge]

thats what we are doing. we just got to mistlands and already fought 5 1 star soldiers and 3 1 star seekers

[hidden gorge]

did you circle around it? or found a vesivigr and beelined it directly towards him?

[wet lodge]

we tried to make a farm on raised ground, but apparently you cant do that?

[hidden gorge]

you can, but not all mistlands ground is suitable for farming

[carmine kestrel]

I have almost 3k coins from looking around ~.~ but no shop to use them... I mean maybe I could tow the furniture back but good grief...

[grand ravine]

has to be a grassy area

[sharp raptor]

Might I recommend collecting said materials? Its good practice to have a portal ready to get back to base when going on a journey of unknown length

[carmine kestrel]

@hidden gorge hang on I can take a few photos, but I'll have to post it in a different tab.

[grand ravine]

i recently explored like 4-5 full islands before i found. but, you really should get portals first

[keen cliff]

+1 to portals before sailing.

[grand ravine]

my "portal room" is bigger than my whole house.. 😬

[carmine kestrel]

@grand ravine I'm going to try to get portals, but I still want someone to look at my map

[keen cliff]

hahah. i don't have a portal tower in this game yet, but i'm sure i'll have one. right now i have all my balcony space being used for portals

[carmine kestrel]

T.T I feel like I'm in a frozen abyss with this one.

[grand ravine]

lets have a look! 🙂

[carmine kestrel]

Ok everyone it's in the screenshot tab

😦 tell me what you think cause I'm confuzzled.

[grand ravine]

ithink i have like 18. and that's just my small spawn starter hut...i just picked a spot for my real first base

[keen cliff]

nice! only have 12 end points so far. not all of them are permanently linked. like my Hildr one

i keep them in a note, plus the map

[vivid kiln]

What up y’all, I’m sure it’s been discussed somewhere but are there any cool role playing servers? Looking to try something new

[grand ravine]

i have ithink almost 30 endpoints o.o

[carmine kestrel]

@grand ravine @hidden gorge what do you think did you go look in screenshots? am I boned ~.~?

[keen cliff]

i bow to your superiority lol. i just got to the point where i'm dropping endpoints on random landmasses for convenience

helps for minimizing sailing distance when exploring

[grand ravine]

you just need to keep looking. the "shrine???" marker looks like just about as close as I'd expect it to be. i would set a portal around there and then search west, southwest, south, southeast from there (including across ocean)

[grand ravine]

lol superiority or compulsion?

[carmine kestrel]

A couple of those land masses have land bridges that are natural. I didn't have to sail to them

No matter which way I look around the main island though >.> not seeing any other land nearby at all

@grand ravine do you think there might be something hidden in the middle?

[keen cliff]

well, for someone with similar compulsions, i'm going to say "superiority"

[grand ravine]

yeah chances are you'll have to sail. but explore forests well, so that only small strips are still hidden. but my gut says he won't be much closer to spawn than hildir or the "shrine???" marker

[grand ravine]

i chop a lotta birch. >.>

[carmine kestrel]

It's marked like that because that's where I picked up the Elder's trail

It's a stone house with skeletons and a rune board

I didn't know what to label that x.x

[keen cliff]

yeah, i'm low on birch too. and speaking of compulsions, i just tamed that second wolf. time to take him home

[carmine kestrel]

.> you can already tame things ~.~ congrats you must be able to go to a mountain, without freezing.

[grand ravine]

they're called vegvisir, but i knew what it was 🙂

[keen cliff]

i've got some meads, but i'm squishy still

[grand ravine]

i would start by going from that one though, myself. west first for a ways. then southwest

[frail wagon]

meh mountain's tend to make you feel squishy until your in full silver

[carmine kestrel]

Even with Hammer Mode, I spent 38 days looking around, before putting down a home. T.T I didn't want to be too far away from a copper mine...

And I'm in hammer mode for a reason on this map >.> Stress Relief. I like to build.

[wet lodge]

ngl I might go hammer mode soon too, farming materials is annoying

[grand ravine]

after i built a house and got copper, i went looking, and it was ithink something like day 70 i found him. you're doin fine 😄

[wet lodge]

I cleared an entire plains, over 10 monoliths and a yagluth spawn. all stone gone in minutes

[carmine kestrel]

😳 um would you like me to take some screenies of my village? I'm still building, but I think I've had way too much fun with it.

[grand ravine]

yeah lets see!

[keen cliff]

wooo hooo. finally. 2 wolves up in the breeder tower, penned in, and meat stacks placed correctly. I wait for the first baby wolf to drop 12 meters into his new home lol

and there he is!

[grand ravine]

nowww, the pup sounds

awoooooooo

[wet lodge]

awawa

[carmine kestrel]

Funny thing is I'm working on a storage house near the water that could act as a boat house/rest stop.

[sharp raptor]

I still farm all my materials. I just have a separate server set to 2X resources to make the grind easier

[arctic garnet]

Kinda wish the two-handed weapons had a better parry bonus.

[carmine kestrel]

@sharp raptor I still farm on my main play server, but Fun Land is just for stress relief. It was getting overwhelming having to find copper in my main server.

And I mark pretty much anything and everything as I go. I just wasn't finding anything nearby at all.

[sharp raptor]

Mistlands really is an incredible source of copper. Can collect multiple stacks just by taking a battering ram to a dwarf tower

[carmine kestrel]

I even put the monsters on passive on Fun Land just so I could scout a good location.

@sharp raptor I haven't come into contact with any Mistlands. The only areas I have seen are the swamp, mountains, ocean, meadows, plains, and black forest.

Which I don't understand the T.T swamp there's like nothing to gather there and it's always dark and raining there.

Legit afraid of that area atm. I'm pretty sure the monsters there could one shot me, if they weren't passive 😟

[hidden gorge]

not at all -- I might try the island east of the starting one, since it wasn't on the west (and if that doesn't work, north/south are 95% likely to have it by then)

[grand ravine]

you need to find a bigger swamp area with crypts, and a key from second boss

[plush umbra]

true that

[carmine kestrel]

@hidden gorge o.o I'll try to make a rest stop with a dock in those locations.

@grand ravine Did you not see the huge swamp on the left island T.T I didn't even fully explore it, because I was scared XD

[hidden gorge]

that's not a big swamp

[carmine kestrel]

It runs the whole middle of that part of the map though o.o I saw a couple of crypts I just turned off the markers on those.

[grand ravine]

ah, yeah the main thing you want from swamps is inside those

[carmine kestrel]

I'm back btw. My computer froze lol

@grand ravine There were some crypts in the north west corner of the swamp on what I have run so far.

^.^; sharing my fully marked map would make it to where you couldn't read it well.

but yeah I'll make a dock house up north and one down south, if I can find a spot south. There's a small swamp down there.

[dense tide]

what is the yellow number next to the weapon on slash and block armor mean?

[grand ravine]

the value with your current skill level

[stuck oyster]

Which boss is considered mid-game?

[gray sand]

Base number + Skill modifier = Total Number (Yellow)

[grand ravine]

probably yagluth iguess?

[stuck oyster]

Ah we never made it that far

After spending 80+ hours the furthest point we came was the third boss

[dense tide]

so if the yellow number higher, the better????

[stuck oyster]

We couldnt even kill it tho

[gray sand]

Yes?

[grand ravine]

swamp boss? how many is "we?"

[dense tide]

thanks!

[gray sand]

The yellow number will always be higher. It cannot be lower.

[dense tide]

cus the yellow number added with the passive or watever multiplier

[gray sand]

Yes.

[carmine kestrel]

@grand ravine o.o if you are playing solo, do the bosses become too hard to handle then? Cause I'm only my little lonesome. I do have a Stag Hammer on my main server. Trying to get one for Funland atm.

[grand ravine]

each boss gets harder, and is different from the last. all can be done solo, though it may take some practice/trial-and-error

[carmine kestrel]

@grand ravine in other words put a rest point XD in the immediate area to run back?

[grand ravine]

i keep a couple portals nearby (but not so close that they are in the fight area)

[carmine kestrel]

@grand ravine I'll keep that in mind. I'll try to keep everything back a fair distance. Even the deer made a mess in my main server. Although, I did get free birch from him ^.^ that way. Gotta head off Discord for a while. I hope I see you again, sometime in the future.

[dense tide]

is no kill drain after death mean no exp lose at all? i set the death panelty to casual

[gray sand]

Yes.

[stuck oyster]

Yes swamp
7

[grand ravine]

try again! i recommend taking good upgraded armour and maces, and poison meads.

[stuck oyster]

That group will probably never come back together

We were in fact playing as a trio but decided to call friends

[grand ravine]

you can do it yourself

[keen cliff]

doh. one wolf got "stuck" and wouldn't eat again until i re-placed his meat. i built fenris chest, but dang, i need more wolf fur to upgrade

what are people's thoughts on the huntmen bow? is the stealth archer thing worthwhile? still sitting at finewood bow, and i'm a ways away from getting silver

[serene hollow]

I keep finewood until Draugr Fang. Then I usually don't upgrade bow again until Ashlands.

[grand ravine]

if you're trying to not attract attention it's good even later. if you're using best available arrows, the bow doesn't matter as much as you might think, since damage is bow+arrow stats. if you don't mind making noise, finewood>draugr fang is also fine. i made all the bows and, tbh, after crude, you can use a bow from a couple biomes back without much drawback, if you're using good arrows (usually frost is de facto)

[keen cliff]

the stealth thing probably fits more into my play style, since i tend to use arrows only to pull and break up groups

[distant field]

As our group's hunter, I love the huntsman bow.

[keen cliff]

seems like a good use of 20 iron. i have 117 at the moment

[plush umbra]

Do snow golems attack moder

no

[azure yacht]

None of the enemies attack bosses

[plush umbra]

Its difficult finding a cultist trophy huh

[grand ravine]

sometimes. it's a drop chance, so sometimes you kill one cultist and it drops, sometimes it's ...alotmore than one

[plush umbra]

I was just saying it cuz I've been to like 14 frost caves now

[terse flare]

yeah I've done 20 caves but no trophy too

[plush umbra]

The luck to get more than one, I need

[terse flare]

the headpiece is the only missing thing but I've given up since it looks like the armor the helmet gives is better

[grand ravine]

yeap it's all rng. personally i love frost caves so i would run a ton anyway though 🤷‍♂️

[grand ravine]

fenris hood worth it. imho.

[plush umbra]

I was thinking that I should keep trying for it

[terse flare]

idk these little gremlins does a lot of damage

[plush umbra]

But really whats the point when root chest piece is better than the stat effects

I rock drake helm now (I just beat moder)

[grand ravine]

fenris set is my favourite. iloveit.

[grand ravine]

depends on the situation ithink.

but imean it's up to you, and padded armour isn't far

[plush umbra]

I just want to progress in the game how it should be

[grand ravine]

i wouldn't generally use root pieces past mountains

[terse flare]

I don't see any use of the root chest honestly. In the plains the only one that does pierce are those mosquitoes and some spear fuling

I dont see any reason to fight for just those two when there are more enemies you can prepare for

[plush umbra]

Doesn't fenris set lack in armor points

[terse flare]

yeah but the movement speed helps you just be quick

that helps a ton for me

[grand ravine]

it also lets you run away from just about anything. armour rating is less important when they can't hit you. (shrug)

[hot bolt]

valheim not have a brightness setting?

[grand ravine]

i don't believe so

[distant field]

We’re at the Ashlands, and I have objectively ‘better’ armor than the Fenris set. Yet I am currently grinding my way through frost caves, in search of that hood!

[strong fjord]

when did they make barley drop 2 instead of 3 when you harvest it?

or has it always been that way

[grand ravine]

always been that way afaik

[strong fjord]

oh ok

do you get 3 when you harvest it from a goblin camp?

[grand ravine]

🤔 iguess i never paid that much attention. i would think it's the same, but i suppose it's possible

[austere flower]

are there any pvp servers

[keen cliff]

2 star boars are ridiculous. i have too much meat now, no more procreation!

[strong fjord]

i only have had a 1 star herd and it was great

i cant imagine what a 2 star would be like

[keen cliff]

i had a 1star, but then bumped into a 2star boar so decided to grab it. it's over the top

i have 7 chests full of meat now i think? and i'm solo. enough is enough

[strong fjord]

omg

i need boar meat for my wolves

[keen cliff]

yeah, i just got some tamed wolves. regular 0 stars because i'm a wuss

[strong fjord]

my herd got massacred like a 100 in game days ago and havent found a single 1 or 2 star piggy ever since

but now im really low on bear meat which ive been feeding my wolves

[keen cliff]

i just bumped into it. turns out it was from a boar runestone i hadn't found yet

[strong fjord]

btw the 1 and 2 star wolves only spawn at night if you want one

[keen cliff]

yeah, i haven't even beat bonemass yet. i'm not up for starred wolves

i think it might be time to kill him however

[strong fjord]

so true they hurt so bad even with my maxed root armor

yea hes ability is so good

[keen cliff]

and i need to start getting some silver

oh, that reminds me. i need to setup an iron cooking thing to cook the wolf meat

[strong fjord]

dude, i just got a wraith trophy

[grand ravine]

omg you haven't made serpent stew yetttt

[keen cliff]

yeah, i haven't even killed a single serpent yet

[grand ravine]

im not even sure ive ever got one of those. is it awesome?

[keen cliff]

crap. this iron cooking thing is huge. i should just put it outside

okay, fine. i guess i'm adding a hearth to my cooking area and working on a better chimney

[strong fjord]

its not what i was expecting, but its still very cool and I will definitely hang it up somewhere

[strong fjord]

yea the smelters are huge

i have them all sitting outside my house

on the patio

[keen cliff]

forge and smelter outside, yeah. but iron cooking thing needs a double fire, and i want to put it in the my kitchen building

"iron cooking station"

[strong fjord]

oh yea those are a core piece of a kitchen imo

even tho i dont really have a designated kitchen area lol

[keen cliff]

i have a cooking house, where my cauldron, cooking station, fermenter, and all the storage for all the ingredients sits. near the boar/wolf farm

looks like a single 4x4 chimney can handle a hearth, thank god. so i don't need to tear up my roof

[grand ravine]

i finally picked a spot to set up a real base in solo world. now im going to try really hard to make this one ....less ugly.

have some 1star boars, haven't seen 2stars or lox very close, but for now there are wolves somewhat close and 1star boars will do okay. if i keep killin stuff a 2star might spawn (or I'll drag one later from the other island where ive seen a couple), and there ahoullllddd be lox in the bigger plains patch i haven't snuck through yet. the small patch is close and will be perfect for plainsfarm.

[wanton flicker]

do you know how i can plant flax and barley to get more cuz every time i plant it i only get 1

so im not making any progress

[merry pebble]

space them more, if they are too close together then one of the two plants that are too close will die

[wanton flicker]

ok thanks

[fickle urchin]

i rage quit

[fair cairn]

good to know

[fickle urchin]

man

what time is it for you

[fair cairn]

11 53 am

[plush umbra]

is it usual for fader arena spawn right next to charred fortress?

theyre like almost touching eachother that close

[obtuse remnant]

tfw you finally start gathering Flametal and craft the Flametal spear... only to lose it in a lava field when throwing it at a Valkyrie. I literally can't find it anywhere

[serene talon]

probably because items sink into the lava a bit and because the spear is so thin it becomes invisible

[azure yacht]

True.

Stupid spear that keeps throwing itself without the player not being involved at all in the throwing.

Why did they think that was a good mechanic? They should've given us the decision to throw it ourselves smh

Imagine devs personally entering in our games and deliberately losing our own spears.

That's kind of a dick move tbh

[distant field]

Actually me: “well, I’ve not used the spear, but that seems… oh… I think I understand…”

[vast lily]

I also think it was dumb that spear doesn't have poke reach and instead has that dumb hit down button, which makes it a very short ranged weapon. If it had long reach similar to atgeir, it would be a decent weapon of choice.

I guess someone would argue that its a melee/ranged hybrid and it would be too broken to have both, but given that most enemies resist pierce and there are weapons like the Axe that is both a weapon and a tool, i see no issue with it.

[azure yacht]

Only two things spear needs is much higher range and knockback

[vast lily]

I only suggest the rework for its animation to just stab with it on primary attack and giving it a long range. Knockback doesn't feel like spear needs that. I'll make it to #suggestions

[sharp bluff]

so... make them atgeir and replace the power attack

[ember kraken]

I think a lot of what I don't like about the typical spear discussion is that it turns into "just makes spears into atgeirs"

[vast lily]

Well its more like why spears were primarely used for in historical context before polearms. Spears were widely used due to reach and being cheap to make and it was the most common weapon used in battlefield. It was even a weapon of choice for god Odin which tells why spears are considered a battle field weapon.

Though the weird poking down at enemies might be a reference for historical paintings of normen attacking with the way its in the game, though most used spear to poke at enemies for affar before they got hit.

[ember kraken]

Rename Atgeirs into Spears, and rename Spears into Hunting Spears ?

[fallen zephyr]

Atgeir is a polearm, not a spear

[vast lily]

Nah you get the naming a little bit wrong here, spears weren't exactly good for groups or crowds, atgeirs is more like a bladed polearm. Its usually that polearms have same reach as spear, but being almost a hybrid of spears and other sorts weapons.

[ember kraken]

There you go devs, just rename spears to "Beatstick" and everyone will be happy. Edit: Or even better, Pokestick!

[merry pebble]

well if we are talking about history of spears it would be good to mention that there is extremly many shapes and sizes of it, some shorter some longer (basically anything between javelin-throving spear / short spears that can be seen in africa and pike) and valheim one should have shorter range than atgeir since it is shorter

[fallen zephyr]

Atgeir is still a polearm, it's not used like a spear.

[merry pebble]

eh? i didnt say it was

and btw, spear is also type of polearm 😉 (in reality ofc, in game it makes sense it has its own category :))

[ember kraken]

I think the "hunting spear" we got makes sense, as if you wake up in a new world with no tools etc, I'd have more need for a hunting spear than a combat spear. So to me it felt natural that we got the spear we got.

Could call it a javelin or whatever, isn't really that important.

[fair cairn]

the spear we get isnt very long in game makes sense its good for throwing while also being good at spear things

[analog mirage]

can you do a tower style farm with chickens??

[fallen zephyr]

In the sense that the dangerous bit is at the end of a pole, sure. But, practically, a spear is piercing only and a polearm has a slashing option.

[merry pebble]

i believe javelins were usually quite a bit smaller than what we have in game 🙂

[ember kraken]

me points at FGM-148 Javelin missile :p (I think those things are closer to the size of the Stagbreaker? Not entirely sure...)

[merry pebble]

not really, polearm is a very broad category, it refers to a weapon that consists of a pole with some attachment at the end (usually some sort of spike or blade that can be more or less optimized for cutting or thrusting or hooking) also, quite a few spears were pretty good at cutting as well as thrusting 🙂

[merry pebble]

yeah, i dont know how big are those XD

[ember kraken]

But yeah, spear is a very broad term, so it's going to cover a whole lot of different sizes and shapes and uses etc.

Practically anything from stone age hunting and fishing spears, and whatever else they used them for, probably crafted out of random length branches and stuff.

[merry pebble]

also, apparently, atgeir is a word pretty closely related to old norse "geirr" which means spear 😉

[ember kraken]

Heck, Chimps are registered to make "spears" to hunt with. I'm feeling an urge to dictate to them that they're doing spears "wrong" :p

[distant field]

Yes.

[fallen zephyr]

Nice Wikipedia-ing.

[merry pebble]

yep, last place i looked 🙂

[real mauve]

I would love a large ship, even the drakkar to be multi crew. Like helm + sails + oar roles. Does anyone know of a mod that tackle this?

[merry pebble]

quite possibly someone in #mods-discussion might know 😄

[ember kraken]

Well technically, when you find something, in most cases you stop looking. So where you found something will almost always be the last place you looked :p

[merry pebble]

well i was actually just looking up "viking spear" as a tangent for spears ability to cut, because they often had pretty wide and thin blades excelent for cutting, and i see an article that begins something like "Atgeir, also sometimes called hewing spear...." so i clicked and behold wikipedia page opened XD

but i personally would really not call atgeir as shown in game any kind of spear, if i wanted to compare it to something then probably bardiche

the blackmetal one to kind of a halbeard, but both of those are pretty broad catogories similar to spears sooo...

[keen cliff]

as someone predicted, after setting up my wolf farm... the a-wooooo is a litle much. i guess walls don't block sound? 🙂

[hidden gorge]

spears are also polearms, and are generally not used to stab the ground

[ornate sigil]

I believe wiki says that tamed fully grown wolves don't howl, so you just have to stop feeding once you have "enough" adults. The pups aparently still howl.🐺

[keen cliff]

aha, thanks. i still need plenty of fur and meat so i guess i'll just deal with it haha

speaking of noise, does anyone know how noisy staghammer is if i'm slamming the ground around the mountains? should i expect mobs to show up?

[ornate sigil]

*digs around the internet

I think I remember seeing an webpage that listed noise ratings of certain activities and walking was the lowest and sneaking was 0. all others created enough sound to pull mobs/aggro to you.

active fights, mining and chopping wood were close to the same level, so I assume ground pounding with a hammer would be close.

[keen cliff]

i'll look for that. i'm guessing smashing the ground does make sound, yeah

this frost cave i'm in feels huge... ooo and there's a cultist door

lets see if smashing staghammer through the door attracts some attention...

lol and it's a tiny empty room nm

[ornate sigil]

wood doors are fairly weak, so the AOE of the hammer may just break it.

same with bombs*

[keen cliff]

oh, snap, i forgot poison bombs

yeah, i smashed through the doors before. i was surprised

[ornate sigil]

I learned the hard way with seekers and bombs. was tossing them into a room and it broke the barricade before I realized that wood could take poision damage.

[keen cliff]

seems weird. i mean, i know for ooze bombs there is a tiny amount of regular damage before the cloud. but poison shouldn't damage a door

[ornate sigil]

ya, an odd decision for game mechanics, but I can see it as a, "you can't just poision/fire bomb a room to death without some kind of repercussion", reason

kinda like how stone and marble have different stats when they are effectively the same material (the refinery will eventually destroy stone but marble is fine do it it resistances/immunities)

[keen cliff]

right

[ornate sigil]

there are a bunch of little things like that all over the game. but you learn to live with them and use them to your advantage as time goes on.

[buoyant ether]

what did modor drop again ? i forgor

ability to make artisan table ?

[nocturne wolf]

Her tears can be used to build artisan tables

[keen cliff]

man the environmental sounds put me on so much edge. i really wish i could turn those off, but leave creature/other effects on

[ornate sigil]

I could be wrong on this, but I think if you put "music" down to 0 and "effects" up to (whatever you want), you should loose the biome music and still hear the clashing of weapons, chopping of trees and the like.

[keen cliff]

sadly, that's what i have, set, and no

[hidden gorge]

huh... I don't recall ever breaking a door with ooze bombs. are you sure doors take poison damage?

[keen cliff]

whoah, this is a big drop i just found, eesh

[ornate sigil]

I have had the fire damage from bilebombs definitely take down wood barricades before....I would have to test ooze specifically.

[keen cliff]

i just used an ooze through an ice barrier, and didn't see it take poison damage, anecdotally

oh, snap. an ice pond. going to have to come back with my fishing pole

actually, there were 3 tetra just lying next to the pool

but i guess i need 4 for hat eventually

[ornate sigil]

that is very lucky. I think its something like 1% chance per world that a frostcave has a pond with fish.

[keen cliff]

it's balancing out that i haven't found a single cultist or shrine room with any fenris hair in this cave. and i think i've explored the whole thing. i'm doing another look around

[hidden gorge]

yes, doors absolutely take fire damage, but not poison iirc. ooze bombs imo are much more effective in the mines -- I generally don't make bile bombs because the ember staff exists

infinite fireballs are better than expensive and limited ones

[ornate sigil]

I tend to run meele so bombs were my only option for elemental AOE at range.

and good to know wood is immune to poision.

[keen cliff]

well crap. empty. i guess i should be happy about the fish.

[hidden gorge]

they also benefit from sneak attack bonuses

[keen cliff]

oh, and you only need 1 of each fish. awesome. so i can store these tetra away and never worry about this again

[hidden gorge]

now tetra is something I have yet to find :/

[ornate sigil]

untill you have to find a beached magma fish that is

[keen cliff]

but dangit, i wanted some fenrish hair

[merry pebble]

you can now make 3 hats 👀

[keen cliff]

i'll set up shop next to Haldor and sell hats

[ornate sigil]

no can do, merchant law states 1 merchant per biome😋

[keen cliff]

i found trollfish the same way. just laying on the rocks near the ocean

[grand ravine]

aw-aw-aw-oo-oo-aw-oo-oooo

[ornate sigil]

gata set up shop in another biome besides blackforest and meadows

[keen cliff]

i know it's cheesy, but is it still possible to stand on the Bonemass skull and just staghammer him to death without him being able to hit you? except by his poison?

it may be time to get silver

[wide escarp]

anyone who can let me join their worlds? wanna play with someone

[hidden gorge]

you're likely to find someone in #1024264966712340510

[wide escarp]

oh thanks for that ❤️

[grand ravine]

need 1 fish ...for what?

[keen cliff]

1 of every fish to craft fishing hat

[grand ravine]

need 4 of each, ithink? 7 of each for max quality

[keen cliff]

looking at wiki. level 1 is 1x each. but yeah, adding up to 7 each for max quality

1 1 2 3

[grand ravine]

main world i found ithink 2-3 caves with ice ponds, and....yeah, I've got more tetra off the floor there than with a fishing pole :x ...infact prettysure i have more tetra than any other fiah

[keen cliff]

granted, it doesn't look like the effect is any different based on level. just armor

[grand ravine]

hmmm. i would swear i looked last week and wiki said 4+1+1+1. donno, havent made one yet. still need groupers iirc

[keen cliff]

wiki could be wrong. i just corrected onion soup recipe the other day

[grand ravine]

anyway yeah, I'd be fine with a lvl 1

[merry pebble]

tbf those types of errors are pretty rare 🙂

[keen cliff]

totally, i was surprised too

[wet lodge]

waiting for bread be like 😴

[fair cairn]

what did the wiki say?

[fair cairn]

make some cannibal sausages while you wait for the bread or make some mead instead of canibal sausages

[keen cliff]

level 3 cauldron. but it needed only level 2

[wet lodge]

I bet that comes from the fact that its mountain tier

people just thought "its mountain, so surely you need butcher table"

[fair cairn]

or thats what it used to be before a update or patch lowered the level needed

[merry pebble]

was it a recent patch? i dont remember seeing anything about onion soup recently🤔 tho i can absolutely just not remember 😄

[sturdy linden]

If you really struggle to find a dungeon that has a tetra lake, I recommend using the world map generator website.

Sure it's cheating but erh ... Up to you anyways 😄

[hidden gorge]

nah, revealing the map and/or savescumming defeats the entire point of the game imo

[ember kraken]

I'm fairly sure that the caves are randomly generated as you enter them, thus you shouldn't be able to locate one with a specific feature from the webmap. I could be wrong, but from what I know of the system.

[sturdy linden]

You are wrong, the option is there on the website and I've already used it effectively ^^

[sturdy linden]

To each their own ! 😄

[buoyant ether]

did moder drop anything else than the artisan stuff?

[merry pebble]

trophy

[ember kraken]

That's interesting, since that would mean that there would be different classifications of frost caves? What I've seen and tested with other "dungeons" is that I can get completely different result out of the same seed.

[grand ravine]

afaik valheim-map actually steps through generation. since dungeons are based on seed like everything else, it can be predicted

[sturdy linden]

Every dungeon seems to be determined via seed since the web tool even lists the exact available items that are spawned in the dungeons (game developpement assets, not actual drops or loot, like icicles and whatnot)

[ember kraken]

That doesn't match what I've tested in the game, I've gotten different amounts of things like surtling cores, even none at all from the very same dungeon in different runs of the same seed. It's been a couple of years since I tested, has there been any changes to this ?

[grand ravine]

hmmm did the same dungeon locations have different layouts though? were all tests done on the same valheim version?

[ember kraken]

Yeah, different room layouts, and all.

[plush umbra]

was it in the same version?

[ember kraken]

Yup

[ornate sigil]

if it has been years, then yes, more than likely. Ashlands threw a wrench in a lot of different things.

[ember kraken]

I was testing it because I was running a game with a friend in coop from their computer. And we found 4 burial chambers, and got iirc 5 or 6 surtling cores. Two of the dungeons had no surtling cores.

So when friend was offline I fired up the same seed and did a quick run to test, and got 12 in the first 2 dungeons.

[grand ravine]

id be more surprised if there were major difference, like vegvisir or tetra pond should be POI's and reliable

but yeah, valheim map shows tetra ponds with accuracy, one way or another 🤷‍♂️

[ember kraken]

I don't remember regarding vegvisirs (since I wasn't testing that). But considering dungeons should be randomly generated (separate of seed), I must admit I'm confused how the webmap can locate anything inside them. Unless for example frostcaves with tetra pond is registered as a own type of frostcave ?

[grand ravine]

idk that much about the particular mechanics in valheim. but as they're a poi like a beehive or boss altar, i assume if seed conditions are met, said poi is a requisite to other things around that location

[vocal rivet]

Procedural generation is RNG but REPEATABLE RNG so it simply generates the POI exactly how the game does.

[ember kraken]

Wouldn't that mean that the seed would have to have information for placing specific poi's inside specific dungeons? I mean I'm sure this works, I'm just confused as to why, as this just seems weird from what I've experienced and read about it in the past.

(Btw, just noticed you spelled your username "teh".... now I can't unsee that.... I'm still cursing myself for doing that typo constantly!)

[sturdy linden]

Seed based generation works by having a "randomiser" which uses the seed to randomise ... but predictably !
Which means anyone using your seed should see the same terrain and dungeon locations 🙂

[vocal rivet]

Minecraft is the exact same way.

[grand ravine]

generation is pseudorandom, it appears random but will always spit out the same series of values depending on what seed value it's given in the beginning. this is probably combined with another pseudorandom generator that uses a seed like, for example, your system's time, to increase the appearance of random

[hidden gorge]

there could be multiple seeds -- dungeons don't necessarily need to be tied to the overworld map generation

[normal lava]

hey

[sturdy linden]

Also for that website I mentionned, you can actually drop your save and it analyses from that, so might be why it can tell me where in-dungeon items are located !

[normal lava]

where do i look for builders?

[ember kraken]

I'm getting the feeling a lot of people are trying to explain me very different things here now.

[normal lava]

whould be nice to play with someone

[sturdy linden]

#1024264966712340510 🙂

[sturdy linden]

Nah we're talking about the same system, tho differently.

Map is generated using a seed, which gives the appearance of randomness, but it is made in a way that anyone using the same seed will get the same results (like dungeons, biomes, boss stones locations and so on).

What @hidden gorge is saying is that actual interior of dungeons might be based on a seperate but invisible seed that could for instance be generated when the world is created. Thus resulting in your experiment with different dungeon interiors.

Hope that helps 😛

[hidden gorge]

although I think it's more likely the dungeons would be seeded on first load, rather than world creation, but I haven't bothered to look at the code so no idea what it's actually doing

[sturdy linden]

Same ahah

[ember kraken]

I'm quite familiar with how seeds work, and have run a lot of worlds, several on same seeds to test out differences. And also run same seeds over multiple versions to see differences. I've read up a good bit on seeds and how they work over the years.

I've also (as said above) tested a few times on running the same seed over (on same verion) and testing results in dungeons specifically, to test the random factor.

The only part I'm not understanding is that the way dungeons has behaved for me for years now is that they get randomly generated when you enter them the first time (or possibly after world creation). Thus by that theory there should be no way for the webmap to be able to track the content of a frost cave (tetra fish).

So I'm wondering how it tracks that. Since it looks like the frost caves with tetra fish on the webmap has the same designation as one without tetra fish.

[sturdy linden]

I love the devs from factorio for that, they give so much indepth info on how they designed various aspects of the game on their FFF blog posts ! 😄

[ember kraken]

I mean, it's possible they changed the seed system to take that into account. I wouldn't know if they did that.

[sturdy linden]

Interiors are definetly not generated on entry, most likely first world gen

[azure yacht]

For what?

[trail lotus]

hmmm what happen to #valheim-help ?

[sharp bluff]

cuz thats what the spear moveset would look like with an actual hitbox

[sturdy linden]

?

[sharp bluff]

and its also why atgeir is kinda a straight upgrade xd

[trail lotus]

its not on my list anymore ...

nvm

weird

[azure yacht]

Having the atgeir twice would not solve anything.

And that's without mentioning the redundancy

[sharp bluff]

it would be an atgeir with a ranged attack xd

[hidden gorge]

we've got a one handed sword and two handed sword -- it's not unprecedented to then have a one handed spear and a two handed spear

[grand ravine]

so like ...a spear
brilliant

[fallen zephyr]

A one-handed spear is functionally no different from a short-sword. dagger.

[wet lodge]

rn just watching my friend repeatedly ram a dverger ward with a cart

[grand ravine]

except more like a polearm. with a ranged attack.

[fallen zephyr]

I stand by it. You could slash with a short spear, but it doesn't really do anything.

[grand ravine]

this is why i don't do business meetings.

[fallen zephyr]

There's no shame in avoiding your weaknesses.

[grand ravine]

(sips coffee)

[ember kraken]

I like spear the way it is, I hope they never change it.

[paper roost]

i hope they fix it the way it should be 😛

[fallen zephyr]

What if they made spears mint flavoured?

[ember kraken]

Naah, I'm a vanilla kinda guy (badumdish)

[hidden gorge]

peppermint is superior anyway

[fallen zephyr]

Nice! Great comeback! lol

[ember kraken]

It's also very viking themed. Since we actually make fake vanilla out of the wood pulp of trees found in scandinavia.

[fallen zephyr]

Aww, you ruined it. 😛

[ember kraken]

So now I can lick my spear and taste vanilla. I'm a happy viking.

[sturdy linden]

Lick whatever you want my dude but leave us out of it 🙄

[fallen zephyr]

It's not the length of your spear, it's what you do with it (or the popularity of its flavour).

[ornate sigil]

elderberry flavored spears now in stock at your local merchant!
(product availability may vary😉 ).

[fallen zephyr]

I know of raspberries, cloudberries, vineberries... where does one come across elderberries in Valheim?

[ornate sigil]

just have to forage the elder for his stash....😋 (joke intensifies)

[wet lodge]

the elder has exactly 2 elderberries

[fallen zephyr]

@ornate sigil This is a joke!

[ornate sigil]

ya, just gata look for the bush.

that would make for a great april fools joke item. cant really do anything with it, but you cant summon another elder and the ragdoll doesn't go away till you loot the "elderberries".

[wet lodge]

mistlands food acquired

switching from sausages to misthare supreme :p

[fallen zephyr]

Wait... you didn't use any food from Mountains or Plains?

[grand ravine]

visit haldor and tame some lox. please, for the love of pete.

[plush umbra]

Does anybody want to play together I've been playing this ever since it came out and I've been playing it by myself I'm just looking for some people to play with if not that's cool too 👍

[merry pebble]

#1024264966712340510 🙂

[wet lodge]

I just kept sausages around

160 hp was plenty for plains, in mistlands its 1-shot territory

[haughty wigeon]

hi there everyone 🙂

[plush umbra]

Yeah Alot of them want me to restart my character unfortunately guess I'm going solo again thanks for showing me the channel though

[merry pebble]

you could make a new character, no need to delete the old one

[plush umbra]

I know but I rather not I worked hard for all the stuff I have I'm not trying to create a new one I've had this character since the game dropped

[keen cliff]

the urge to pet every single one of my horde of wolves and have them roam with me through the closest biomes is strong

[wet lodge]

weirdly we seem to not get the loot rooms in infested mines

[merry pebble]

thats just rng 🙂 i sometimes have to go through mutliple to get just one

i just found something kinda interesting, if Brenna hits you you get burning status effect for 5 seconds, i would assume that if you then parry her attack any kind of effect on player would be nullified (except stagger and knockback ofc) but aparently it will restart the timer for the burning effect

[obtuse remnant]

Finally got around to updating my last food guide. Link if anyone wants it: https://www.reddit.com/r/valheim/comments/1e8ndpo/valheim_food_guide_version_2/

[plush umbra]

If anybody's on Xbox and wants to play lmk

[delicate lintel]

Has anyone built a greydwarf farm to farm blood magic?? I'd love to see pics/vids if anyone would be willing to share? 🙂

Most of the stuff I've googled suggests digging underneath the spawner, but surely it'll just fall?

[keen cliff]

spawner won't fall. it just hangs in air

[merry pebble]

#1024264966712340510 🙂

[plush umbra]

I'm not using that I can't join anybodys world either modded or I have to get whitelisted and wait a really long time or I have to make a new character which I'm not going to do that's why I'm asking Xbox player specifically

[merry pebble]

You know you can make your own post with tags like "xbox" "vanilla" there right? People are usually looking there if they want to play with someone and here your message will most likely get burried since this channel is quite active most of the time 🙂

[delicate lintel]

Isn't there a risk that one of my deadraised skeletons will fire an arrow at the spawner and destroy it?

[keen cliff]

yes. that's why most farms protect the spawner. sometimes by covering it with raised earth

[merry pebble]

yep, thats why you should build kind of shell around it 🙂 alternatively you could not dig under it but make and earthen wall around it and still encase the spawner

[delicate lintel]

Hmmmm I think I need to see some pics

[keen cliff]

there are plenty of youtube videos on the subject

careful though, some are out of date. like if they use a hearth to kill, that's not going to work anymore because of the fire source taking damage. i think the current best way to do it is smoke damage by mostly submerged standing braziers

[delicate lintel]

I'm building it to level-up blood magic, so fire or smoke damage won't help me anyway because it's my skellies I want to do the killing. YouTube wasn't much help hence coz like you say, alot of it is out of date. I think I understand the science tho so I'll have a go at just making my own build 🙂 Wish me luck lol

[sharp bluff]

dig a pit under a spawner and spam skillies

[keen cliff]

ohhh. if you're just killing them yourselves, it's simple. dig a deep-ass hole. keep a pillar of earth encasing the spawner. done

[hidden gorge]

I don't recall needing anything special to prevent archers from hitting the spawner, but if you're really concerned, you could build a small platform for your skellies so they can't get off (unless you push them) and/or build a small wall between them and the spawner to block shots

[obtuse remnant]

If you leave the Ashlands while a Flametal... island???... is sinking, then you come back, it is back to the non-sinking position. Known bug?

[hidden gorge]

yes

[sly quail]

Doesn't much matter since it won't sink at all anymore

So I doubt anyone cares to fix it

[nocturne wolf]

The sinking is disabled as a temporary fix to the sliding issue, so if they can fix that issue they might change this too

[vocal rivet]

Oh, they care.

[azure yacht]

#screenshots message

[obtuse remnant]

Had one of the most statistically unlikely things happen to me. Running towards a Flametal island and one of the rogue flame things hits an unstable lava rock right next to me. About 15 seconds later I run and jump on the Flametal to mine it, and mid air a second rogue flames hits me. Wtf

[pulsar birch]

hello good morning everyone, I've been playing valheim for 118 hours by now and am playing with a huge group of friends (ranging from 6-8 players)

btw before I ask anything do I have to ||spoiler|| anything in the chat?

[solemn heron]

why the game still didnt released i thought they said its supposed to be relased in june?

[obtuse remnant]

The content update was released. Still at least one major content update left before release.

[solemn heron]

but ashlands didnt released officialy?

its only beta

[pulsar birch]

they still missing deep north

[obtuse remnant]

That was the update that came out about a month ago

They are patching it on the test realm for balancing

[grand ravine]

not really. what's up

[solemn heron]

ashlands public test dropped in may 14

[obtuse remnant]

Ashlands has been released

[pulsar birch]

ok so we recently got to plains exploration and we decided to make a new home at plains. I want to know if those tar blobs respawn in the ponds

[solemn heron]

only public test

[obtuse remnant]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/892970/view/4199120329650080822?l=english

[solemn heron]

not like a officialy

maybe i missed sum

[azure yacht]

They literally never said that

[summer hinge]

It is very much officially out

Has been for a while now

[solemn heron]

yeah it is my fault

[grand ravine]

yes. initially there can be several, after it's drained they can still respawn 1-2 occasionally iirc

err..