valheim-chat

[fossil delta]

IE you see the hearts.

[wet lodge]

yeah I am on a fresh world so I cant use them rn anyways, but I found a 2 star boar after like 10 min of playing

just want to make sure it doesnt despawn

[fossil delta]

Nice! Those will just go back to spawn point. The only ones you really need to worry about disappearing are wolves.

[wet lodge]

ah, well I enclosed it next to my base cuz it spawned far away

[fossil delta]

Good idea.

[wet lodge]

took ages to lure over

[fossil delta]

Its taken me 3+ hours to get a 2 star wolf to even spawn. So those are the only ones that have been really painful for me.

Since they only spawn at night, and do disappear.

[unique onyx]

taming stuff went from being kinda cool to almost a waste of time it's kinda weird. did they make asksvin useful?

[azure yacht]

It's simple because the game is simple.

People keep thinking the game should become something like Skyrim, dragon's dogma or SoC for some reason.

They really see this game and believe any of those mechanics are possible lol

[azure yacht]

As resource farms yes.

As mounts, no.

Still expendables.

And I'm completely sure they won't make them useful soon. The problem is not asksvin, it's the whole riding and taming system. They shouldn't change asksvin when other creatures are on the same page

[unique onyx]

ahh bummer, yeah i haven't even tried taming one yet i just assumed they'd be bad lol

[azure yacht]

Only one star and two star are worth it, the only reason you should get a no star is because you have a starred one so you can breed them.

And then butcher them after you get more starred asksvins

[charred leaf]

you can use them as ammo for the catapult and launch them inside a fortress. i believe the two stars can secure it for you 😅

[unique onyx]

that seems rude

[azure yacht]

They are literally expandable even as mounts, that's pretty much intended use

[unique onyx]

that does sound like something someone who is launching their pets over castle walls would say

[ornate sigil]

now if only we could use rotten meat and progress war into the bio level....

[tidal thicket]

I just want to be able to use ranged weapons and possibly polearms while riding. I think that would help make them a little bit more worth while.

[azure yacht]

Geneva convention wasn't a thing in the 8-11th century 😌

[azure yacht]

At this point, almost anything is a good idea if that means not just nerfing the spawn rates...

[tidal thicket]

Agreed.

[azure yacht]

Make the current tools better at handling the dangers instead of making the biome itself weaker

[tidal thicket]

The spawn rates can be annoying sometimes, but if it's too much, just turn down the slider in the short term.

[tidal thicket]

💯

[unique onyx]

i'm alright with it till you fall back and what's behind you has already respawned. at that point it's too much

[red musk]

sup mates

I'll be in voice chat

[somber wren]

gg, i guess im actually done with the game. Been in Ashlands for the 5th day now, not a drop of enjoyment in this zone. Just constant barrage of mobs and now im in the biggest pool of lava, trying to mine my 3rd vein, got this "sliding" bug and there is absolutely 0 chance of me recovering that gear.. zzz

I did not know Valheim Ashlands was basically hardcore mode no matter what difficulty you play on

Mistlands into this. Nah. Game was good until Mistlands update zz :S

[native plover]

try dropping torches along your route to reduce mobs. can stack stone on top of them so they dont burn or get aggro'd

kind of a requirement for ashlands to make moving around more tolerable and not a constant slog. I can help you recover your body if youd like

[somber wren]

I appreciate that, though i think its better if i just take a lengthy break from the game as a whole. Not had a lot of fun in mistlands in general and ashlands hasnt been any better either :/

[native plover]

it can be frustrating. are you playing solo? solo is very different than with people. im happy to join, grab your body and help setup some stuff to make it more fun

[shy marlin]

For what it's worth the current ptb is lowering the amount of enemies you fight, and they made it so the spires no longer sink, which helps with the sliding bug

But if you're not having fun don't play

[native plover]

yeah at the end of the day if its not fun its not worth it

[somber wren]

Oh, that might actually help a ton. Those are the two most frustating things

Probably better for me to wait until that comes out then

[native plover]

still happy to grab your body! let me help

[somber wren]

Its okay, thanks though (:

[wraith sun]

Glad the new building pieces can be used to make it alot easier to gather flame metal without having to risk gliding off

[runic vortex]

Ashlands wasn't really that bad imo. The sliding bug definitely sucks.

[wraith sun]

You can also seek out BRS to help recover your gear

[fast badge]

What is the sliding bug?

[merry pebble]

when the flametal pillar starts to sink you will start gliding/sliding and you cant really move or jump so you will just go into lava

[fast badge]

Addressed in the testbranch patch?

[merry pebble]

in current test version the sinking of pillars is removed so you no longer slide

[ornate sigil]

indirectly by removing the sinking, yes.

[slender rover]

So I know Valheim is supposed to be hard and unforgiving and we have to learn from our mistakes, but we need to talk about those damn lava eruptions. Last night, I was working my way across a lava field with basalt bombs, watching out for incoming lava eruptions, when all of a sudden one spawned literally below me and knocked me off the platform into the field and I of course died instantly despite full Flametal armor.

This isn't a challenge. It isn't learning. It's a random game element forcing a completely unavoidable death for no reason in the worst possible place. And before anyone tells me to set down a shield generator, there was nowhere to be able to build one

I have no problem with the eruptions from further away hitting you if you fail to notice or move, but spawning literally at the player and then having knock back is just a terrible game mechanic, especially in a game where death actually incurs some significant penalties.

[shy marlin]

Ye.. What I've been doing and many others have been doing is just ignoring the flametal spires completely and using fortresses to get the flametal that's needed.

[slender rover]

I was not even going for spires, I was just quickly crossing the field. Was literally just on my second platform throwing the bomb for the third when suddenly insta-dead

[shy marlin]

Oh dang

On all my Ashlands playthroughs I also just ignore basalt bombs/traversing the lava tbh

Generally you can always take a long route around the lava and I honestly find it to be safer

[slender rover]

Didn't have much choice. Was heading to a mysterious location and couldn't find a way around

But yes, the projectiles knocking you off Flametal is one thing, you can usually see them coming if you pay attention. Quite another when it spawns literally under you

[shy marlin]

Indeed

[pale marsh]

is there any way to speed up crops growing, its takin quite long icl

[distant field]

Sleep at night.

[pale marsh]

and thats about it I assume? alrighty thanks

[distant field]

I actually don’t know that that definitely works, by the way - the wiki seems to indicate it’s based on real-world time, rather than in-game. But, anecdotally, it’s my experience that it seems to help.

[buoyant ether]

is it possible to spam spells and kite the queen ?

[distant field]

Possible or effective?

[open mortar]

guys how do i kill this 2 star seeker soldier on my puff and cap farm

[buoyant ether]

both ?

*either >_>

[distant field]

Well, it’s obviously possible. I don’t know how effective it would be.

[buoyant ether]

okay note to self, dont be backed up into a corner when fighting queen

she sprayed me dead, even with poison resist 😭

yeah seems like melee is the way to go here

and dont get greedy with hits 😫 would carapace shield be better than blackmetal ?

ngl valheim quickyl risen to one of my fav games

[robust delta]

frfr ong

[drowsy jolt]

Hello. I'm looking for help connecting to a friend's server. Until Friday, we were able to connect normally. Now, when I try to connect to your world, the box to enter the password no longer appears. Instead, it says "Failed to connect". Does anyone know how to solve it?

[buoyant ether]

and shes dead

was such a nice fight, culda had more of a phase 2

[lament hearth]

Is it possible to summon in tar as in liquid form?

[buoyant ether]

asslands callin 😼

[shy marlin]

I mean she has a really long phase 2 tbh, when her health gets lower she gains more and more moves and she gains her first new attack at 75%

[buoyant ether]

after the black forge do i rly have any use for normal forge ?

is it just taking up space?

[buoyant ether]

oh i didnt rly notice

[shy marlin]

You still need it for repairing your pickaxe pretty much

[buoyant ether]

i felt like she did 3-4 diff attacks the whole fight

[buoyant ether]

XD ok ok, hmmmm

[shy marlin]

She has seeker summons, her slam attack, swipe attack, spew, charge, and her bite

[azure yacht]

Because there's no explicit visual indication of it, it's something you notice on your own. But it's still there

Both queen and ashlands boss are like this. There's no "Phase 2 has started" message

[shy marlin]

Ashlands boss def gives you a better indicator of when phase 2 happens then the queen does tbh, without going into spoilers you def get the "this is where the fun begins" with Ashlands boss

[buoyant ether]

nah i wasnt expecting a message, i just didnt rly pickup the difference in moves, except the head surge

im a souls player so im used to phase 2s just noticeable in movesets, given i was rly rly close to the boss this whole fight

[buoyant ether]

cant wait 😼

is jotun bane an axe ?

[shy marlin]

yep

[sly oyster]

RIP 2* boar family, that troll raid spawned 5 feet from my base in front of my eyes

[buoyant ether]

oh building off of black marble is kinda ufn

[distant field]

I am still traumatised from my first troll raid.

[sly oyster]

i hate the fact you have to completely destroy the terrain to protect from them

[buoyant ether]

same

[light moat]

Make a large perimeter of spawn protected area, then line that area with a wood or stone wall. I actively dislike terrain walls, this is what I do. I have two boar farms in this perimeter, never had any issues. Hope this helps! Sorry about the boar 😦

[wraith sun]

have you ever noticed how peaceful ashlands can be?

ouch that sucks

[azure yacht]

I hate fighting yagluth...

It's the boss I struggle the most against

Also crystal battle axe is not as effective as I thought it would be

[ivory patio]

is this game still worth after the new update or did it ruin the game?

[azure yacht]

And that's despite it's buffed due to mods

[azure yacht]

It ruined it.

Literally locks access from playing it at all

[wraith sun]

it can't ruin the game when it only affects the new biome and not the old ones

[azure yacht]

It explicitly says "Due to the latest update, you cannot play valheim anymore. Sorry not sorry lol"

[ivory patio]

ok so old biomes still good but new ones not that great

[wraith sun]

i don't mind the new one - every person seem to have their own opinion on it

so either watch some youtube about it or reach it yourself to make your own

some hates it, others says it's unplayble and some like me quite enjoy it 🙂

[ivory patio]

is there an end to the game tho? like is there some kind of endboss ?

[azure yacht]

No

[wraith sun]

not yet, will most likely come with Deep North in like 2 years

[ivory patio]

im more of a quest guy, if i dont have new thngs to do, get to i kinda get bored

[robust delta]

me too i get kinda a bit bored

[ivory patio]

oh.. so its a kind of game thats a LONG time in early acess..

[wraith sun]

then i hearby give you the quest to aquire the flame sword Dyrnwyn without looking up how to get it

[wraith sun]

yup - even with plains the game was worth the cost for me - everything else has been free content

[robust delta]

yeah. i'm new, but i kind of yet 7 days to die vibes. however this games seems better and has a lot more love compared to 7d2d so i see this as a good thing

[azure yacht]

Valheim isn't even at half the time 7dtd took for full release

[ivory patio]

loved the mods of 7 day to die tho..

[robust delta]

i'm unfamiliar with the update schedules and etc though

[ivory patio]

has this game mod support btw?

[azure yacht]

Not officially

But there is a large modding community with a very efficient mod manager

[robust delta]

mods def carried the game. for valheim, i heard of a mod that gave quality of life, but usually everyone directs mod talk to a channel somewhere

[robust delta]

#mods-discussion found it

[ivory patio]

oh nice thx

[robust delta]

the rock golem meme in memes chat is so great i love it so much

[livid smelt]

I'm literally blind there is one on the back

[robust delta]

one what?

[buoyant ether]

i found a beautiful big rock but near to water 😫 in asslands

[livid smelt]

I fell into water yesterday and was raging about how you can't get back onto rafts from the water only to now realize there is a ladder on the back and that someone said it in chat I just missed it

[robust delta]

oof. i never made a raft so i probably would of joined you on the bandwagon 😂

[livid smelt]

to be fair it is literally right there idk how I missed it 😂

[livid widget]

me too! lol I never knew

[hidden gorge]

I tried to let y'all know yesterday

[livid smelt]

yeah it was your message I mean that I didn't see

thanks though

[buoyant ether]

is there something i would need to know buildin wise

on ashlands

its hard to find a spot when u get mogged all the time 😫

[gilded fjord]

use shield generator to protect wooden structures from falling fire rain

the only real safe place atm that i know of is inside a fortress

kinda their territory that youre invading

[hidden gorge]

not theirs anymore

[robust delta]

mineours 💪

[wraith sun]

but you can make a mogging free zone

[stable crest]

WENT TO THE ASHLANDS LAST NIGHT, GOT THERE, IMMEDIATELY DIED AND GOT RESET TO MOUNTAIN BIOME STUFF

why did they make the drakkar such a big boat and then put annoying spikes around the ashlands waters that the boat is too big to navigate thru

our boat almost got destroyed

[hidden gorge]

same reason prolly the ballista targets the player

[stable crest]

the big water thingy almost screwed us

[wraith sun]

build a workbench on the spike and repair the drakkar

[stable crest]

my friend and i died immediately so i had to put myself in fly to get our stuff back bc we wouldve been reset so far back

[wraith sun]

that is what i did to survive my 12 bonemaw encounter trip to ashlands xD

[stable crest]

ya we did

got to the shore and mined into a rock to place the portal down and boiled myself in the water LOL

we killed the queen and we were so confident cause queen was way easier than ppl said

ashlands im so scared to go back to today lmao i miss the old ashlands with just the surtling people running around

[wraith sun]

ashlands is so peaceful if you just dig holes and dump enemies into them xD

[stable crest]

i see what ppl mean now with theres just A LOT of mobs

[wraith sun]

ohh yes

ashlands is not the place to go to if you want alone time - it's where vikings go to test their steel and resolve against endless waves of undead

[stable crest]

it was nice going home to the meadows in peace

[hidden gorge]

they actually nerfed it before release, and are considering nerfing it again based on the current PTB

[stable crest]

yea im not surprised its not for the faint hearted

i quit when the mistlands first came out cause it was too pain and came back for the ashlands update and killed all the bosses again on a new worldd

i just like my cute house and farming tbh

im assuming they be workin on the north next?

[wraith sun]

most likely

but don't expect anything for the next 1.5 to 2 years

[stable crest]

has anyone completed the ashlandds yet?

haha its cool idm

[wraith sun]

ohh yes alot has, i feel like alot of players rushed through it

[stable crest]

ah fair, im behind causenew world

and had to re build everything

[wraith sun]

my step dad was so eager to get to ashlands and see all the content that he was done with it after only 3 (irl) days of ashlands :/

so now i am taking it slow enjoying it at my own pace in my own game

[stable crest]

LOL when the ashlands be too hard

my friend quit when we were killing yagluth cause his meteors targetted her over and over so it was running to grave simulator

[wraith sun]

we brute forced it - i was melee tank, he was dps mage, pretty good combo as he didn't have to worry about attacks as i kept aggro

[stable crest]

i do love the magic

[wraith sun]

not tuched it, was too stubborn after all the hype around it and everyone claiming it was the best etc

[stable crest]

tbf i rhink the frost staff will prob be useful in ashlands

[wraith sun]

it is

[hidden gorge]

honestly less than I'd hoped. the ember staff ended up being surprisingly effective

[gilded fjord]

not as useful as staff of ember though imo

you being made vulnerable while shooting is kinda a big deal when youre surrounded

[stable crest]

youd think staff of embers would be less helpful

[wraith sun]

not if you have a aggro tank with you

[gilded fjord]

frfr

[stable crest]

cause eeverything already bruning

[gilded fjord]

i guess so but thats not exactly a luxury everyone can afford

even i play with friends and by god its hard to just communicate with them (its just them being them)

[hidden gorge]

yeah, but it turns out the best weapon to kill enemies that are immune to lava? fireballs -- it's... whatever I guess at this point

[azure yacht]

It's a ranged mace

[gilded fjord]

tbf

a lava golem would splatter still if you throw a big enough rocks and at fast enough of a speed

the staff of embers deals blunt damage alongside fire

[stable crest]

i hope they add loads more biomes

[gilded fjord]

aye

[azure yacht]

There is only one left

[stable crest]

not just the northn then leave it at that

[gilded fjord]

or just expanding already existing biomes

[stable crest]

they could add in more biomes for further out in the wirkd

[azure yacht]

That is the plan

[azure yacht]

This is more feasible wishing

But there won't be new biomes

[stable crest]

sasdgeeeeeee

how many ppl again working on the game?

[gilded fjord]

you can see them on the right bar lmao

[merry pebble]

14 developers iirc

[stable crest]

damnnn

considering they have such a small team the game is made incredibly well

[azure yacht]

Not all appear there

[gilded fjord]

really is

[gilded fjord]

ngl i thought they were only like 9 people or something

[wraith sun]

my biggest issue with the ashlands is how fast lava blobs, Morgen, Fallen Valkyrie and Marskman wrecks the landscape making it way less interresting :/

[gilded fjord]

yeah, the only safe place for building being the fortress is a bit euh

[stable crest]

i put my portal at the top of a really tall tower

[wraith sun]

not only for building but when you find a area with ruins, Morgen shows up and next moment there aren't any ruins anymore

[stable crest]

hoping it doesnt break or its back to god mode

[gilded fjord]

one morgen going beyblade to the bottom of it and itll all goes down 😭

[wraith sun]

yea

[stable crest]

rip better move it later then

[azure yacht]

Top of a putrid hole

[stable crest]

any good areas for safe portal placement?

[paper venture]

guys, after days and days looking for a 2 star askvin I got it, out of 3 attempts it appeared in 2, the method I used was to have an inventory full of items, flametal, gems and valuable items, I don't know why but for me it worked

[gilded fjord]

fortress

[hidden gorge]

or bring a hoe

[azure yacht]

Just said

[gilded fjord]

this is much safer than most of the places but still very dangerous

[stable crest]

ahh

[azure yacht]

Technically only blobs reach up there

[gilded fjord]

that could work too i guess yea if you managed to clear out the initial horde

well you gotta also worry about valks and archers shooting it down

[stable crest]

who remembers when ashlandds was just surtlings for free coal, those were the days

[azure yacht]

And it's a pre-fortress location

[unique onyx]

bring back mistlands spider trees

[hidden gorge]

if its behind walls, they won't see it and won't get aggro on it

[stable crest]

honestly the queen was acc so easu compared to yagluth

[gilded fjord]

i just got the game after ashlands update, its interesting how theres only 1 fire "elemental" enemy in ashlands

[stable crest]

people hte on the queen but its easier in the confined space

[gilded fjord]

i think bonemass being much more helpfull against the queen than yagluth also helps

[stable crest]

yuppp omg

[gilded fjord]

but idk, my group actually killed yagluth first before bonemass

[stable crest]

i wish theyd add in a special thing like the wisp light clears the mist forever once walked thru

yagluth was painnnnnnnnnnn for us the first and second time

[hidden gorge]

there's wisp torches that are effectively that

[stable crest]

ye but wisp light barely helps anyting

i remember the first time seeing a troll with absolutely nothing on us and screaming like OMG WTF IS THAT

we like to call the gjall 'airplane' LOL

[gilded fjord]

god my first troll was such a mess, we were under prepared and valheim mobs being the persistent fellas they are followed us to our base and just spawncamped us for days

[stable crest]

HAHAHAH yup, i remember the first red circle troll event and i was like WHAT THE HELL WHY

[wraith sun]

imagen all the players who was completly unaware of the danger of raids happily afk for abit just to come back and find themselves naked inside a broken base xD

[gilded fjord]

ooh one memorable encounter i had was getting that raid in a swamp while my base is under attack by an abomination, its fun seeing those 3 fighting

[stable crest]

thats almost happened to me so many times earrly game haha

i love the wolf raid

free food!

i tamed wolves and they died to a bat raid and i cba to try tame them again it takes forever

[wraith sun]

i love the horde raid, free black metal at your door step

[gilded fjord]

frfr

[stable crest]

trueeeeeeeeeeee

[gilded fjord]

my wolf pen SOMEHOW got raided by a seeker, its deep inside our base, a coastal raised ground base in the black forest

we never figured out how it got in there

[stable crest]

LOL really? i put our chickens underneath my house so they dont die and now i jut have lag 24/7 lol

[gilded fjord]

lmao i feel you on that

[wraith sun]

i always keep chickens on a secluded island to protect it against almost all raids

i only have to bat proof the base

[gilded fjord]

i shouldve maybe done that

[stable crest]

i have a giant moat around my base and walls and crafting tables everywhere so they dont spawn close

mostly the raids just happen in the forest near me now

i have to go actively finding the raid lool

[gilded fjord]

the hunters become the hunted

[stable crest]

idk if i can be bothered to switch out all my walls

[merry sun]

AShlands will get a spawn nerf. Tell him

[wraith sun]

😢

[hearty niche]

I feel like burning wood outside of a kiln should produce far less charcoal. Else kilns don't need to exist.

[livid widget]

Donuts!

[misty sun]

if i put 400 or so fish in the water, do I start to limit the number of fish, creature spawns that can appear?

[merry pebble]

dont know that, pretty sure it will start to limit your frames tho 😄

[livid widget]

Wait, you can farm fish?

[merry pebble]

you can catch them

[livid widget]

Yes, but why would you put them back in the water?

[misty sun]

to catch them again.

[livid widget]

For what purpose?

skill?

[misty sun]

what else can you get beside feesh when you reel them in?

[azure yacht]

Eco-friendliness

[livid widget]

I've never messed with fishing.

So you are farming skill, not fish

[misty sun]

i am not, though that happens.

[livid widget]

What is your reason for putting 400 fish in one area

[misty sun]

iron, presently.

[livid widget]

So the bonus resource

[fringe oak]

The fader fight feels a bit too difficult for me

[drowsy magnet]

sometimes iron

and other loot i guess. i dont fish much

[misty sun]

I know this, but its more the conversation than the query for me.

[livid widget]

Sounds like a slow way to get ore

[misty sun]

in a no boss, no clipping into crypts run, its faster than oozer and outdoor scrap pile hunting.

[merry sun]

Its made to be hard!

[livid widget]

Don't ask me how I did it, I just did it, it was hard.

[fringe oak]

I'll have to give it a few more tries

[fair cairn]

its a pain in the ass to get ore like that, yould get more finding a swamp and getting iron that way or getting iron in mistlands

[slender rover]

I have a fish pond in my base for the smaller ones. I also have a trophy wall of level 5 fish. Only missing 3!

I'm noticing a small problem with the Dyrnwyn quest line.

Namely if you discover place of mystery 2 or 3 before 1, you never get a map marker for the earlier ones.

[pure blaze]

I've had a several month break from Valheim. How're the people enjoying the Ashlands? To me personally it doesn't look that attractive, looking from aside.

[gray sand]

That's a splitting question.

On one side, you have people who are thoroughly enjoying the Ashlands. These people are about to not enjoy it anymore when the nerf comes through.

On the other side, you have people who are not enjoying the Ashlands. These people are about to thoroughly enjoy it when the nerf comes through.

Both sides believe they are correct and the other side is wrong. 🙃

[lyric olive]

It's perfect, it's got a better enemy balance now and it's actually fun to roam in.

You don't feel like you have to fight 24/7 mobs any more or try to outrun them because there's so many, you can choose either, and now both are very viable options.

Overall, it's one of the better biomes for sure. If I made a tier list of Valheim biomes, Ashlands would either be first or second, it's very close between Ashlands and Mistlands. Both were very fun biomes

[gray sand]

☝️Example of "the other side."

[lyric olive]

stop baiting

[gray sand]

I'm not 🤷‍♂️

[lyric olive]

I think mistlands is a little better because it focuses a lot more on the exploration rather than just the fighting and I really enjoyed that about the biome.

It's a really nice break after the 24/7 fighting in the swamp and mountain

[nocturne wolf]

Mountain isn’t 24/7 fighting, I barely find enough wolves to make anything until I get hunted

[tight yacht]

Swamp was Vietnam, mountain was nice, plains were nice, mistlands are too damn misty

[molten axle]

How do people honestly think the mountain is nice lol three playthroughs and all I remember from the mountains is 30 second stretches of peace between wyvern attacks, golem spawns, and wolves falling in my silver holes lmao

[nocturne wolf]

Mountains doesn’t spawn anything starred at day so by sleeping at night you avoid anything that can kill a well-prepared player

[molten axle]

It’s not that you die often it’s just tedious as hell, you can’t just keep mining through wyvern attacks so every time one aggros you have to waste time clearing it out, and if a golem spawns it’s even worse lol either have to give up on that silver vein, waste 3-5 minutes killing it with an iron mace, or waste time digging a hole to drop it in, nothing at that tier is very effective at killing golems and they give no rewards to make it worth the effort. Mountains my least favourite biome by far

[nocturne wolf]

Iron mace is very effective against stone golems. It’ll only take a few secondaries to kill, even less if you’re parrying.

[lyric olive]

I found the mist to be a nice challenge. It was doable but didn't directly kill you, despite being difficult to see. It's my favourite biome because the difficulty for once is not deadly.

[molten axle]

Why are you trying to gaslight me lmao it definitely takes more than a few secondaries, and if it’s a sharp armed golem their attacks are incredibly hard hitting in any mountain/swamp tier armour which makes fighting them even riskier

Not to mention the added risk of being rocketed off the side of a mountain by an attack lol

If by “few” you mean like 10-15 sure lol

[lyric olive]

Yeah people here love to exaggerate how easy things are to kill. They're just so good that they break game physics i guess

[nocturne wolf]

Maybe you had a low mace skill. Did you use any maces before fighting bonemass?

[lyric olive]

And some argue the levelling up of stats but that barely even makes a difference.

My level 1 sword vs my level 100 sword stat didn't feel very different to me.

maybe like a 10% damage increase

[azure yacht]

You literally stated above about people exaggerating and here you say this...

[lyric olive]

Yeah? 10% is not a lot lmao.

[azure yacht]

Lvl 100 of a weapon skill gives 141% extra DMG...

[gray sand]

If it takes you minutes to kill anything that isn't a boss I have... questions.

[lyric olive]

Doesn't feel that way.

[azure yacht]

It's literally shown in the stats

And percentages work better with higher dmg weapons

[lyric olive]

So when you played you levelled up a stat over time and noticed a difference? I don't believe you

Like when I used the mistwalker with a lvl 66 sword stat it felt the same as when my sword stat was 88

[azure yacht]

If you compare lvl 10 to lvl 15 obviously not...

But you're saying that it was barely a difference between lvl 1 and lvl 100

[molten axle]

Some people haven’t been playing this game since like pre alpha and pretty much nothing else😂 like yeah if I was landing every single parry on the uneven ass mountain terrain and not lagging at all in my dedicated server it would probably be easy but Golems are tedious af no matter who you are

[lyric olive]

You won't notice the difference unless you cheat it from 1 to 100 and test it directly

The average person doesn't keep track of how much damage each weapon does and how much it gets increased by your stats.

Tbh though the run stat I definitely noticed as it levelled up

same as jump, but that's probably because you do thsoe things so often that you remember what it was like at the beginning

[livid widget]

Was my assumption, too. If fishing made it easy, it would kind of negate the value of going to a swamp or mistlands

[molten axle]

I mean I’ve seen you say in here that you would give your own friends a “skill issue” if they died so of course you’re not going to be understanding lmao

[gray sand]

So all of your problems with the game have... nothing to do with the actual game.
As they are self-admittedly brought on by your own positioning, block ability, and choice to be on a dedicated server?

[lyric olive]

What a lovely friendly player that is

[azure yacht]

Which is obvious, levels close to each other would not feel much difference

[lyric olive]

You missed the point.

[molten axle]

No it’s mostly to do with the annoyingly aggressive golem spawns and the fact that they have too egregious aggro range to make the mountains feel “nice”. I’m not trying to say the mountains are too hard but people in here were saying it was “nice and relaxing” after swamps and that’s just not true

[livid widget]

Do mob resistances increase with biomes?

[gray sand]

Parrying a Golem also takes only 109 HP with a Bronze Buckler.

Which is Black Forest level food with a Black Forest level shield.

So entirely doable in the Mountains.

[gilded fjord]

what do you mean by that

[molten axle]

At least the trees in swamps go down relatively fast and can be baited into Surtur spawners, golems are just far too tanky and can almost never be lost lol

[gilded fjord]

im pretty sure resistant/very resistant to stat effects only has static percentage

[fair cairn]

a iron mace takes out a golem pretty dang fast

[livid widget]

I mean are mobs in Ashlands more resistant to slash than mobs in Black Forest? i.e. do the mobs scale up with the skill?

[gilded fjord]

or any weakness/effectiveness effect for that matter

[livid widget]

I think at the very least there are hp increases that probably make the skill feel less impactful?

[gilded fjord]

well they do have more health, and i guess different stagger treshhold??? but from my understanding their damage reduction from resistance is still the same

[nocturne wolf]

Where did you get that number from? Successfully parrying an attack depends on armor and block skill, not just max health.

[gilded fjord]

theyre quite persistent but i wouldnt say impossible to avoid (it takes a lot of effort to do so though) and i understand it can be really annoying when youre trying to mine something

one strategy that has worked quite well for me is to jump unto their head and start mining them using pickaxe

[livid widget]

I suspect that the mobs scale with weapon upgrades and skill so it doesn't feel drastic. You need the better weapons and skill to kill them. Seems like rpg basics to me.

[gilded fjord]

until i had access to magic i tend to just avoid golems

i really did not stay long in mountains (progression wise), i had like maybe 1 lucky silver ore poking out and then i just skipped right through to the plains

[livid widget]

golems are super easy to kill with parry

[fair cairn]

they go down with in seconds with a iron mace and a parry

[livid widget]

shield and mace wreck's em

[molten axle]

Also no lmao I can’t choose where a silver vein spawns so my positioning is completely irrelevant😂 having to abandon what I’m doing every 45 seconds-2 minutes while I’m trying to mine silver to find an advantageous position to fight the ridiculously tanky and hard hitting enemy that just spawned is not fun game design lol

[fair cairn]

do note, the frostner is terrible at killing golems

[livid widget]

You just have to learn to kill them. The drakes can get annoying though.

[molten axle]

I have, multiple times, currently on Ashlands in my third playthrough, I’m just saying there’s a reason I got as bare minimum silver as possible this time lmao the mountains are not fun

[livid widget]

easy to kill too, but they seem come often

I liked mtns a lot personally

[nocturne wolf]

If you can’t parry for whatever reason, jumping around them and using iron mace is also very effective against golems.

[livid widget]

but everyone has their preferences I guess. My least fav has been mistlands.

[molten axle]

To each their own I guess, Plains, Mistlands, and Ashlands have had by far my favourite gameplay loops so far, actually some Viking raiding

[tight yacht]

I think having it be less immediately opaque would have been nice, or construction options to clear bigger areas

Although having transparency destroys performance so I get why they did it

I think the strongest part of this game is its visuals and the mists remove that

[lyric olive]

I think the idea is to get on top of mountains so you're above the mist to see your surroundings.

[molten axle]

My performance on console tanks in the opposite situations lol whenever there’s a blizzard or im in deep Mistlands mist frames just crash

[livid widget]

I think our first ML area we found was less than ideal. It was like all water and craggy rocks. When we eventually found other areas, they had a lot more of the grassy connectors and it was a lot easier to navigate. I think the wisp should have more range and/or less opaque also though.

[lyric olive]

I just liked the Mistlands a huge amount because compared to Plains it was S tier

[tight yacht]

Then they are probably still drawing layers of transparency

[tight yacht]

Yeah but the biome looks cool and I want to see it lol

Not just, the tips of things if they are tall enough to peek out of the mist

[nocturne wolf]

My favourite biome is swamps. While I think it is too grindy, most enemies are entirely predictable in combat. Common enemies in other biomes either move randomly or are charred warriors.

[molten axle]

Wrong response sorry lol

[molten axle]

That’s fair, sausages such a nice food too lol love how easy and good they are

[livid widget]

I gobble down so much sausage

[dark urchin]

Yoooo we just finished the mistland boss with a friend for the first time with no spoil.
What an awesome fight. I just wanted to share my endorphin moment with you ! It was a good fight !

[livid widget]

Even in Ashlands, I use it as a base food. Can't get enough sausages

[molten axle]

Yo congrats that feels good

[livid widget]

I think I want Whataburger

[lyric olive]

Fair enough

[gray sand]

Probably top 3 builds of all time is one of the ones built around the Bonemass skull.

[gray sand]

Do you have the console enabled?

[daring spade]

So I take it the ||Charred Twitcher ||trophy does not exist? Took me a while to realize..Or am I just that unlucky?

[clear comet]

they resist pierce, not slash

[tight yacht]

Yes

[gray sand]

forcedelete 50 mist

50 = radius around you.

[nocturne wolf]

Mistarea, not mist

[gray sand]

Used it last night 🤷‍♂️
Mist worked just fine.

[nocturne wolf]

Maybe it deletes everything that contains ‘mist’?

[gray sand]

🤷‍♂️ It's deleting the actual mist ?particle? object.

Not shrinking an area.

[nocturne wolf]

Mistarea is the object that spawns mist particles

[livid widget]

Fair enough, but point remains

[gray sand]

Mobs don't scale, no.

Outside of Mob -> Starred Mob
And Mob -> You Move The Slider Mob.

[livid widget]

They have the same hp as a greyling?

just not sure on resist tho

[gray sand]

No. But that isn't scaling. That is just mobs have individual base stats.

But their base stats are static, they do not scale.

[livid widget]

That's basically scaling

[gray sand]

That is completely different from scaling.

Base Stats are Base Stats.
Any game that has scaling, starts with Base Stats and then has increases off them, which is what scaling is.

[livid widget]

I mean, do I need to look up the definition of scaling? lol

[gray sand]

I just typed it out.

[livid widget]

The mobs scale with you as you gain power

[vocal rivet]

The only time the game scales, is when you have more than one player in the server. Then it scales mob HP and damage. That's IT.

[livid widget]

even if it's just hp increase

[gray sand]

🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️

[livid widget]

in the most basic terms

[gray sand]

Draugr have Draugr stats. It never changes.
Because they do not scale.

Greydwarves have Greydwarf stats. It never changes.
Because they do not scale.

I can list every single enemy in the game. Their stats are fixed.
Because they do not scale.

[livid widget]

I realize it's not dynamic scaling, which is what you are probably thinking, but scaling is scaling

[gray sand]

No.

[livid widget]

Yeah buddy, how does a scale work?

You ever use an actual physical scale?

[gray sand]

☝️

[livid widget]

It's still scaling homie

[vocal rivet]

No, do try again.

[gray sand]

I am not your homie nor your buddy.

[livid widget]

They have higher stats the deeper you go. It equalizes with the gear you put on

[vocal rivet]

Not true.

[gray sand]

It doesn't give a fuck what gear you are or are not wearing.

You scale as the player.
Enemies do not.

[vocal rivet]

A zero star greydwarf has 40HP whether youre' at level 1 or level 100. Whether you've killed Eikthyr or Fader.

[livid widget]

Do the mobs not scale up in difficulty as you progress?

[hidden gorge]

no

[vocal rivet]

No. How many more times.

[livid widget]

THey don't get more hp?

[vocal rivet]

No. Still no.

[livid widget]

They don't hit harder?

[hidden gorge]

stop asking questions if you're not gonna listen to the answers, lol

[livid widget]

If that's true, why do they keep giving more and more hp through food?

[gilded fjord]

to fight against stronger enemies in a more difficult biomes?

[vocal rivet]

Because you get new, tougher mobs at higher biomes.

[hidden gorge]

mobs "scale" as they get more stars -- but otherwise there is no scaling

[livid widget]

ding ding ding

[vocal rivet]

What do you mean ding? That's disproved your theory.

[gilded fjord]

i think were just on a different page rn

[gray sand]

You asked:

i.e. do the mobs scale up with the skill?

The answer was "no."

If you were so sure the answer was "yes," why did you even ask?

[livid widget]

Because you get new, tougher mobs at higher biomes.

[vocal rivet]

No, I don't think he can see the page our book is from right now.

[gilded fjord]

perhaps

[vocal rivet]

So, not remotely scaling at all then.

[livid widget]

THat's literally scaling. MObs scale up as you progress.

[vocal rivet]

I give up. I can't imagine being that stubbornly wrong.

[livid widget]

Man you said it yourself, it scales up as you go to new biomes

[vocal rivet]

No, you're the only one saying anything scales.

[hidden gorge]

different biomes getting progressively more difficult is an entirely different concept than enemy scaling in the traditional sense of the definition

[gray sand]

You are the sole person who has said it scales up.

[livid widget]

I never said the individual mobs scale

I meant mobs as a whole, general game progression, scales.

[gray sand]

I'm out. Ya'll enjoy the ignorance 🤷‍♂️

[hidden gorge]

this you?

[vocal rivet]

I'm not enjoying anything. This hurts my brain.

[livid widget]

Mobs, but you interpreted it as a single mob

I meant, mobs go up in difficulty (different mobs). I.e. the difficulty overall does scale.

What I was unsure of is if the resistance of those mobs also goes up, to help counter skill improvement. But when I say that, I really mean the next tier of mobs as you progress the biomes.

[vocal rivet]

Resistances are percentages, they don't change.

[hidden gorge]

you are using the wrong words for the ideas you want to convey

[livid widget]

no, I'm not

[spare imp]

Anyone wana help my stupid ass lol

[livid widget]

Scaling doesn't have just one application or meaning

[hidden gorge]

ok then

[vocal rivet]

Look, three separate people have told you that you're wrong. Maybe it's time to accept that perhaps it's true?

[livid widget]

The last person I'll ever listen to is you, Derek.

[vocal rivet]

You're not listening to anyone right now.

[livid widget]

scaling is scaling. It can have multiple forms.

It can mean multiple things.

[hidden gorge]

holy hell... how embarrassing

[livid widget]

intransitive verb

1
: to climb by or as if by a ladder
2
: to rise in a graduated series

[hidden gorge]

"scaling is scaling" implies there's one universal meaning

[gilded fjord]

help in what way exactly

[slender rover]

Are you all wilfully talking past each other at this point or what?

ApexAZ is saying that the game as a whole scales up in difficulty as you move through the biomes, which is technically correct although an unusual use of the term scaling as normally applied to video games.

The rest of you are pointing out individual enemy types do not scale up as you progress (unlike, say Oblivion) and their stats are fixed, which is also correct.

Sheesh, of all the dumb things to argue about at length.

[livid widget]

I'm not talking like MMO scaling where difficulty is dynamic based on your power.

[spare imp]

@gilded fjord progress I guess as I just want magic so me and my wife can be mages

[livid widget]

But you still scale up as you progress. It's not wrong.

[gilded fjord]

what are you looking for

[spare imp]

@gilded fjord some staffs

[vocal rivet]

'ApexAZ is saying that the game as a whole scales up in difficulty as you move through the biomes, which is technically correct although an unusual use of the term scaling as normally applied to video games.' - No, if you read back, they definitely said that indivivdual mobs scale with difficulty.

[hidden gorge]

have you gotten to the mistlands yet?

[spare imp]

@hidden gorge nope

[livid widget]

Mobs DO scale with difficulty

[hidden gorge]

welp, that's the first step

[livid widget]

Each biome is progressivly harder. Period. It scales.

What I wasn't sure on is say, does a grey dwarf have less resistance than a seekr?

[spare imp]

@hidden gorge that's y I'm looking for help this game is rough had half my base mashed up by a troll

[vocal rivet]

Greydwarves have different resistances to Seekers. The resistance percentages are the same across all mobs.

[azure yacht]

But overall, a greydwarf is weaker than a seeker (it's four biomes before mistlands)

[gilded fjord]

there are different level of resistances, each of them correspond to a percentage number

[livid widget]

EXACTLY

[gilded fjord]

it is not different for each mob, if they got the same set of resistance then its the same number

[livid widget]

And you also have to improve your power to literally balance the scale

[vocal rivet]

You know that's not agreeing with you, right?

[robust delta]

but what if the greydwarves pile on each other and form essentially a mech suit

[hidden gorge]

ahh, yeah it can be tough, and require some time for the necessary preparations, but if it's your first time running through, I wouldn't suggest trying to rush or skip over different biomes/bosses

[livid widget]

No you guys were so hung up on dynamic scaling you completely missed my point. Lot of help you've been.

[azure yacht]

The thing is that you're using the word "resistance", which is a specific term in this game

[vocal rivet]

Then you've probably installed mods.

[vocal rivet]

We've answered your questions countless times, what more do you want?

[robust delta]

or they've become sentient. we must run

[livid widget]

Resistance could be a lever to that scaling. I wasn't sure.

[gilded fjord]

can i also pitch in that you also were so hung up on your own definition of "resistance"

while valheim has DEFINED its own resistance

[azure yacht]

They would also still have the same resistances.

It also makes it easy to kill them as they would all be grouped up

[livid widget]

The reason I was wondering is maybe the resistance gets higher as your skill goes up. Another possible means of balancing the scale.

[gilded fjord]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Damage

[robust delta]

true, unless they keep pelting rocks to keep you at bay. then it's just who gets bored first

[gilded fjord]

again in valheim resistance correspond to a set percentage

[livid widget]

The whole start of this nonsense was that someone else was complaining that skill doesn't feel different at higher levels. Feels meaningless. So I was just pondering why that might be. Maybe resistance was part of that.

[slender rover]

There's no dynamic scaling of any kind in Valheim except the player's skill statistics.

[livid widget]

I don't think it is dynamic. I think it's stepped

[tight yacht]

biomes as a whole and the native enemies within them get harder than previous biomes, but the enemies within the biomes never change

[livid widget]

I never said it was dynamic.

[vocal rivet]

I don't know how static scaling would work.

I think that's technically an oxymoron.

[tight yacht]

i always thought scaling was in reference to the math term scalar, i.e. you are modifying some base value by a multiplier to make it grow or shrink

[livid widget]

Who said static?

[vocal rivet]

That would be the opposite of dynamic.

[slender rover]

No, the stats for everything are always the same (except the player). There's no change to the mobs. And the weakness/standard/resistant multipliers don't change (you can see this on the player's gear where some things are resistant, weak, or very weak - these are fixed stats).

[azure yacht]

Resistances are different for each enemy, a seeker is resistant to physical damage but neutral to elemental damage except spirit.

A greydwarf is only weak to fire but resistant to poison and neutral to all physical damage.

[livid widget]

This is the problem right here. That's not even what I asked.

[tight yacht]

to scale something in a game = modify its base value by a scalar, but the game doesnt modify base values unless you change the world combat settings manually

[vocal rivet]

If mobs scaled with player progress then Meadows would be just as hard in Ashlands gear as it was half-naked with a wooden club

[tight yacht]

well thats not even specifically related to games i guess, but thats what scaling something means in general

[azure yacht]

Physical damage = Slash, blunt and pierce. Possibly pickaxe and chopping

Elemental damage = Fire, frost, poison, spirit

[tight yacht]

exactly, like oblivion used to be lol

[slender rover]

I think what Apex is getting at is whether "resistant to pierce" on one enemy type has a different numerical value than the same stat on another enemy type. And the answer to that is no. They're fixed multiplers

[tight yacht]

bandits in full daedric armor

[vocal rivet]

We have pointed this out a few times now.

[livid widget]

all games are scaled in some way. It doesn't have to involve dynamically changing

It's literally the basis of balance and progression.

[tight yacht]

thats playing fast and loose with the term honestly

in a very roundabout, not really precise way i guess thats correct

but usually "scaling" in a game is referring to a specific mechanic

[slender rover]

Was always great for enchanting and economy. Also enjoyed the glass armor drops

[tight yacht]

scaling = modifying base values by scalars

[azure yacht]

In this game resistances are always the same. Resistant means 50% reduced damage to a damage type, and this is true regardless of enemy.

Only difference is the enemy itself, seekers and soldiers are resistant to slash, blunt and pierce, but a soldier has a lot more hp

[livid widget]

Been playing games for over 40 years. Dynamic scaling isn't the only term to use scaling on

[tight yacht]

increasing difficulty is different than scaling difficulty imo

[livid widget]

It's literally scaling

[tight yacht]

new mobs that are harder/have different stats =/= difficulty scaling imo

same mobs that are harder is scaling imo

[livid widget]

It's quite literally difficulty scaling up

[hidden gorge]

not imo. it is different.

[livid widget]

Well I encourage you to go read about it in a dictionary.

[tight yacht]

increasing, not scaling up

scaling implies its linked to some stat, and that stat is the scalar for the difficulty increase across mobs

[slender rover]

Where's my XKCD "someone is wrong on the Internet" meme/cartoon. Have a great night, I have things to do that don't involve furthering this exercise in pedantic hair-splitting.

[hidden gorge]

but at this point, I don't think there is any reason to continue the conversation. he isn't ever going to get it anytime soon.

[gilded fjord]

mind if i ask you whats your current progression, where you at in the progression, physically, and what are the next thing youre looking for

[livid widget]

It is. You need better gear to match the difficulty.

[gilded fjord]

i might be able to help if you could spare me some equipments

5 black core, a couple of giants head, and you should be set to begin as new member of the shadow wizard money gang

[tight yacht]

but the better gear does not drive the difficulty

the game exposes you to harder enemies, it does not proactively change stats across enemies because you did something

[livid widget]

It doesn't need to be dynamic, gpick

Consider business and scaling up operations to meet demand.

[gray sand]

Just move on. Not worth it 🤷‍♂️

[tight yacht]

yes, the operations are driven by the increased demand lol

demand is the scalar that multiplies the required output

[livid widget]

Well that's set by the devs 🤷

[gilded fjord]

move on the way my cart full of silver ores moves on from the peak to the beach

[tight yacht]

output = demand x capacity, thats how scaling works

demand is the scalar, so even in your example it doesnt work lol

[livid widget]

the devs = demand

It's artifically set, but it does scale

[tight yacht]

wat

: / not sure where to go from there

gonna play war thunder, have fun

[hidden gorge]

just block and move on. much easier, and you get to keep more of your braincells intact.

[gilded fjord]

lmao when your "escape" is war thunder it really is quite something

[tight yacht]

im actually really good at it but it does get frustrating sometimes for sure lol

[gilded fjord]

really does

[gray sand]

Explaining things? Or War Thunder?

[tight yacht]

i wouldnt say im good at explaining things....maybe some things

[hidden gorge]

that glimmer of hope that you can explain such an ostensibly simple concept

[livid widget]

I know what dynamic scaling is.

[gray sand]

HOPE? 😂

[hidden gorge]

I try and be an optimist generally

[tight yacht]

i dont want to build my mistlands base now but i need to to properly be prepared for the biome

this is why i quit playing for like 6 months last time...

[livid widget]

you don't need a mistlands base

[tight yacht]

yeah but i want one lol...its technically the most optimal location, as long as its on the ocean and straddles both mistlands and plains

i get free hares from the 'squitoes, and i can farm all required plants

plus the biome looks cool af, and i found literally the perfect location to build it

im just being lazy

[gray sand]

Mist bases don't need ocean tbf. You will end up just portalling in/out to them from you actual main base most always.

[tight yacht]

i recently built what i thought was going to be my final endgame of endgame locations

[tight yacht]

yeahhh but i like my logistics cosplay

and it def makes thing easier if you can park a boat near your stuff

[gray sand]

I have that at my Plains base 😄

[tight yacht]

although i did scout a few locations that were a bit away from the shore

[gray sand]

But Mistlands is just "here's a mushroom garden because they don't grow in Plains."

[slender rover]

I got super lucky and found a mist-free Valley on a little deep water fjord

It's really neat

[tight yacht]

the one i found now is literally perfect...right on the shore, perfect combination of plains and mistlands growing areas, roots all around it (like 6-10 depending on if i want to go like, 100 yards), and its a huge mistlands area

and its got a giant collection of intersecting peaks that spans a huge area, plus a stone pillar right down to the water i can put a spiraling staircase on to go up/down

[gray sand]

Nice.

Plains will forever be my love.

[tight yacht]

now i just need the inspiration to build the thing...i did do a stone pillar build in the plains

i love vertical builds

#building-screenshots message
this is the one i am vacating

[gray sand]

You should play Satisfactory 🙂

[tight yacht]

ehh ive seen some gameplay vids of that, seems too much like work

[gray sand]

😭

[tight yacht]

never played it myself tho, closest game to that i have played (i would guess) is rimworld

[gray sand]

I have a couple thousand hours in both of those games.

[tight yacht]

rimworld is great

[hidden gorge]

technically you're designing the buildings to do all the work for you 😉

[gray sand]

I found the PERFECT map the other day.
But that's a discussion for #general

[tight yacht]

yeah but i do PCB/electrical/mechanical design for work so that would feel like work to me lol

[tight yacht]

im a filthy mountain builder

[gray sand]

May I dm you?

[tight yacht]

have at it

[stable crest]

alright time to get on and brave the ashlands

[gray sand]

Bring a sword!

[livid widget]

Dedicated Server always kills it for me with Satisfactory

Assuming they'll get it working before 1.0

[stable crest]

got alllll the good stuff, upgraded mistwalker, magic tcetc

[gray sand]

Mistwalker is unfortunately uncontested BiS for first landfall.

[elfin nova]

hy, can someone send me a screenshot of the metal and gem cutter upgrades, so i can plan the space i need for them.. ! ?

[gray sand]

Simpler solution is for you to have a world called "TestWorld" where you have devcommands on and can freely build everything.

That way you can try out configurations and even stress-test building limits in a safe environment before implementing them in your real save 🤷‍♂️

[elfin nova]

yeh true, that may be the best solution.. 😉 thx

[stable crest]

Any weapons suggestions?! <33

[gray sand]

For landing? Mistwalker or Krom.
Everything is pierce resistant so Atgeirs absolutely suck in Ashlands.

Major Health Potion + Lingering Stamina + Tasty Mead should be your pots loadout.

Oddly, you don't need Fire Resist mead.

[stable crest]

oh really??? I crafted a load of fire mead & stamina mead etc, what about just in general? Is the frost magic thing any good

[gray sand]

I am a no-mag 🤷‍♂️

Tasty Mead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stamina Pots.

[hidden gorge]

fire mead's not gonna hurt, stamina is always useful

[gray sand]

Like it's not even close.

[hidden gorge]

frost stuff is ok -- not great

if you're bringing magic stuff, might as well lean in and bring all the staves

[gray sand]

All the staves? Brings Wooden Club.

[hidden gorge]

upgraded whenever possible (particular the skelly staff)

[livid widget]

That's not going to scale well in Ashlands

[gray sand]

Can't scale well or badly given nothing scales 🤷‍♂️

[vocal rivet]

Oh God, not again.

[livid widget]

haha. On a scale of 1-7, how would you rate the difficulty of Ashlands?

coughs.

[gray sand]

Is this about to be the second person I have ever muted on this server in... years?

[livid widget]

Oh no!

[tight yacht]

why is this

i always thought stam pots were better than tasty

[vocal rivet]

Second? That's impressive.

[gray sand]

By what metric?

[tight yacht]

the fact that you can do stuff and actively regen stamina while sprinting or w/e

[gray sand]

Ok, but 2 min CD and blocked by Lingering.

Tasty = No CD, stacks with Lingering.

[sly oyster]

Fastest way to get like 500 core wood?

[gray sand]

And given we established that you can out-walk any attack in the game...

[tight yacht]

ah havent got to that potion yet

[gray sand]

Or just Parry, pop Tasty, and regen your ass off while they are stunned for the parry.

Boss fights -> roll out of very telegraphed, very spaced out attacks -> Pop Tasty, stand there staring at each other while stamina refills.

[livid widget]

Summon it?

[clear comet]

5.5, or 8 out of 10

it's not hard hard (an 8/10), but 99% times you die is because you made a mistake

[livid widget]

Is it 10 biomes? Was thinking 9

[clear comet]

out of a 10 score

[gray sand]

@tight yacht it takes some practice to get good with when/how to use Tasty. But it is uncontested the best mead in the game when used to full potential.

[clear comet]

I would put it on 8

[livid widget]

Gotcha. Still pretty high score 😉

[clear comet]

also agree with this, the cooldown for tasty mead use is better

stamina pot needs 2 min, tasty is like 10 sec

granted you need to time it right when you can actually regen stamina

[gray sand]

Tasty lasts 10s.
So technically it has no cooldown.

[clear comet]

true

what I don't like about tasty mead is how consumption heavy it is

[gray sand]

Timing it when you can regen doesn't take that long to get used to.

[clear comet]

so I forgo it

[gray sand]

Well it's a good thing the recipe is basically dirt + air.

And Lingering makes it even more powerful in comparison to base Stamina pots.

[clear comet]

lingering is just good all around tbh

[gray sand]

Stamina yes.

Lingering health is 😂

[clear comet]

lingering health is a fraud

[gray sand]

It's because Health Pots can't operate like Stamina Pots.

[clear comet]

health usually matters more in terms of "sudden" burst of damage from enemies

[gray sand]

Health Pots are literally Tasty Mead for HP, but on a 2 min cooldown (another proof of how powerful Tasty is)

[clear comet]

you deffo only need health pots when you're back in the corner

[gray sand]

So if they either A) took the CD off the HP Regen version and made a new burst HP pot -> then you could warrant Lingering Health or B) just let you use both, keeping the CD on current HP pots, then it would also be worth.

Or even C) Made Lingering % HP regen

[clear comet]

I think the problem of lingering health is it doesn't stack like lingering stamina

[gray sand]

?

[clear comet]

you can't use lingering health and normal health pot together

[gray sand]

I just said that 😄

[clear comet]

oh wait yeah

my bad, but yeah, that's the problem with lingering health

[gray sand]

If Lingering wasn't a HRegen Buff but instead was like +3% max HP every 3s for the duration. Count me in.

Would go really nicely with current Ashlands.
Meaning it would be useless after patch 😦

[cerulean wyvern]

Hey guys, how many of you have found tetra fish?

[gray sand]

They are in ice caves.

[clear comet]

ice caves

[tight yacht]

i used seed viewer

[clear comet]

they nerfed ashlands again which is wild

for me, I don't find trouble with it

[gray sand]

Hasn't hit live yet, so I can still have fun for the time being.

[vocal rivet]

No-one has nerfed anything yet, it's still in testing.

[clear comet]

True but we know what it'll entail

A better way to nerf things is to make the spawns depends of the number of people in an area, instead of nerfing it outright

[gray sand]

Slider.

[clear comet]

that way solo players won't have it as hard, and group players wouldn't find it to be too easy

[vocal rivet]

The game already scales to the number of players.

Oh God, I said the word.

[gray sand]

Default = Current Ashlands
Slide to right = Hard Mode = More Spawns
Slide to left = Bitch Mode = Less Spawns

[clear comet]

I don't like using sliders

[tight yacht]

including enemy spawn rate relative to player count?

[clear comet]

I like to play on the intended modifiers

[clear comet]

that's the idea, although that'll be probably a pain to implement code wise

[cerulean wyvern]

I know, i know. Thanks 😜 me and my girlfriend found it in the first cave we visited but haven't found another, and i just found out that apparently they're super duper rare so i was just curious

[tight yacht]

does the difficulty scaling also apply to enemy spawn rate currently?

[gray sand]

I have raids off but maxed difficulty.
So your base is a "safe zone", but when you venture out you had better be ready for the pain 🙂

[vocal rivet]

No, just mob health and damage.

[tight yacht]

then i like the idea of adding spawn rate to that as Pras said

[vocal rivet]

Spawn rate is every 4 seconds (as for every mob) depending on spawn chance and interval (cooldown) variables.

[tight yacht]

for bosses since its always only one, makes sense to increase health/damage

[cerulean wyvern]

Only levelled enemy occurance

[tight yacht]

for more players?

[vocal rivet]

No, that's the world modifiers they're thinking of.

[tight yacht]

i know combat difficulty world modifier increases a bunch of things

yeah thats what that sounds like, it also increases enemy health, damage and speed

[vocal rivet]

As I said, the only thing that player count affects is the health and damage of mobs.

[tight yacht]

or maybe only health and speed but lowers your health

still, for regular mobs in the wild, increasing the spawn rate seems like it would be a better offset to more players than increased health

[vocal rivet]

Eh, the scaling is balls anyway. It's really a solo game with optional co-op and they've never put too much effort into the multiplayer side of things.

[tight yacht]

yeah i havent bothered with multiplayer at all so im guessing

seems too easy to cheese, even unintentionally

one guy running around while the others hit enemies is always going to be a strategy the AI will never really be able to handle

[clear comet]

I have 62 level in blood magic and ele magic

[vocal rivet]

The fact that every player in a party can equip a different Forsaken Power is enough to unbalance the game.

[clear comet]

should I grind it more

[vocal rivet]

You should never grind anything in the game, it's not necessary.

[clear comet]

I grinded blood magic to lvl 60

the question is, is it worth it to go 80

[vocal rivet]

Entirely up to you isn't it?

[clear comet]

hmmm

[fossil delta]

Finally started finding dungeons. Kind of a good thing it took so long to find them, had stacks of Carapace, etc... so once we could make gear, we were able to make what we wanted.

Still need to find 4 or 5 more pieces of the seal breaker.

[clear comet]

on a second thought, probably not the best idea

[fossil delta]

We do have a location for the Queen.

[clear comet]

apparently going from 60 -> 80 cosst double XP from 0 -> 60

and 80 -> 100 cost double of that

[tight yacht]

do they all get shared?

like if one person pops bonemass does the whole party get it?

[vocal rivet]

If they're triggered in range of each other, yeah.

That what makes it so OP.

[tight yacht]

yeah thats pretty bs lol...and im guessing you can stagger them?

like if 2 people both take bonemass they can do a back to back type thing

[vocal rivet]

Yep, if you have 5 people with Moder, you can just keep triggering her power in turn and never lose the buff.

[tight yacht]

pfft

yeah dunno bout mp

that and i 1. dont like sharing and 2. like having my own base with my own designs

[livid widget]

I think moder scales based on player count

Scales, hah. No pun intended.

[clear comet]

all enemies scale with player count

[vocal rivet]

I was talking about her Forsaken Power.

[south bridge]

Is there a way for ||ygdrasil shoots to be plants / resprout?||

[gilded fjord]

i dont think so

[tight yacht]

they are so cool looking tho

[frail wagon]

i hate the ashlands man
what the hell am i suppose to do when theres 3 twichers 7 chared warriors 2 archers and 2 askvin on me

[frail wagon]

Nope im pretty sure you just need to find more

there is alot of em though so it should be fine

[gray sand]

Kill them?

[frail wagon]

Try to kill them>Not enough etir> use queen? >Still not enough etir

[gray sand]

Mage problems.

Vikings just kill them. 😏

[frail wagon]

yeah alright buddy

have fun getting 1 shot by a star warrior

[gray sand]

Straight to the "buddy"

[gray sand]

Parried and killed.
Next?

[frail wagon]

alright now try 3 +5 normal one's +2 archers also theres a 1 star askvin on you

oh and theres a blob too

[gray sand]

You are aware you can out-walk every attack in the game, right?

[frail wagon]

this is what my grueling 20ish minutes of the ashlands was

[tight yacht]

idk if i believe that...if you are in swing distance of a log troll you arent going to be able to be in melee range and retreat in time to avoid his hit

[frail wagon]

i cant have fun in a biome where theres just more enemys then i have damage

[tight yacht]

like if you are flat running away i guess you can out walk attacks since they start at their max range but presumably you are going to be trying to fight these enemies

[frail wagon]

also the staff of shattering is ass so i cant even use that for cc

[gray sand]

Go play on PTB where they are testing nerfing the biome into the ground 🤷‍♂️
Give supportive feedback.
Odds of unnecessary nerfs making it to live patch go up. 👍

[frail wagon]

the enemy's arnt THAT bad

its just when theres 15 of them
THEN its bad

[gray sand]

Next time I find a log troll I will test.
Overall the statement holds true though.

[tight yacht]

are you talking about playing purely defensively or are you saying from melee range (your melee range) you can outwalk attacks

[frail wagon]

1-2 hell 4 chared warriors? not that bad
6 of them + 2 archers
+2 askvin?
= hell'

[gray sand]

(your melee range) is variable based on weapon though?

[tight yacht]

sure, so lets say sword, 1h sword like black metal or iron

[gray sand]

Ewwwwwwwwwwwww

[frail wagon]

also bosses.
apart from yagluth i thought every boss was atleast decent

[slender rover]

Yeah this outwalk attacks claim is highly suspect. Charred are faster than players in heavy armor, for example. A warrior may not land a hit but all his friends will

[tight yacht]

even wolves i feel like will easily hit you

[frail wagon]

knowing how ass this biome already has been im NOT excited for what the boss is

[gray sand]

It's very not suspect if you've played the game for any length of time 🤷‍♂️

[tight yacht]

ive tried outwalking them on corpse runs, they catch up no problem and hit you even when walking directly away

[gray sand]

Wolves are tricky because it's a sidestep instead of a straight walk away. But it can be done.

[frail wagon]

also askvin with there speed will hit you

[tight yacht]

so a more accurate statement might be 'in 1v1 provided nobody is boxing you in, you can evade most enemies but not all of them'

but once you are surrounded by a few enemies the walking away option becomes very dicey

but i know you can bait enemies into a bad swing, which i do a lot

[gray sand]

The statement uses the word "attack" in singular form for a reason.

[tight yacht]

but thats to enter into combat at an advantage, i wouldnt say that mechanic means for all enemies it works

at some point you commit to a fight and enter melee range unless you are 100% running defensively and just trying to get away

[slender rover]

800 hours and counting. There are lots of attacks that you can walk away from, sure, but if you start in melee range there are many you cannot.

Marksmen, twitchers, and warlocks, Askvin, Morgen, and Valkyrie (spin) all being prime examples. Exaggerating doesn't help people.

[gray sand]

Depends on enemies.
Proper kiting and grouping is part of learning combat.

If you let them all surround you and box you in, death is your justly earned reward.

[tight yacht]

what makes you think these statements come from a place of not knowing combat lol

[gray sand]

I'm not 🤷‍♂️

[frail wagon]

i didnt like mistlands that much.
wasnt HORRIBLE or anything but it was still an annoying biome
this is about 86% worse in every way

[tight yacht]

not sprinting is the optimal method of stamina management in a fight -> i dont sprint -> i try to walk to avoid hits a lot -> i know which enemies can be dodged this way -> this is why i disagreed with the statement in the first place

[gray sand]

Because your given example is "if you choose to let yourself be in a horrible situation, things get bad"

Well.. yeah.

[tight yacht]

yeah but for stuff like wolves that isnt really up to you

of course you try to not get surrounded as a matter of principle

[sly oyster]

well i found my core wood, longboat + pine tree forest + log troll

[tight yacht]

just like you try to not sprint in combat as a matter of principle

[slender rover]

Or my favourite in Ashlands: I walk away from the charred horde only to have a Morgen surface directly in front of me

[gray sand]

? I sprint all the time during combat.

[tight yacht]

yeah when its appropriate to do so

[frail wagon]

i hate this biome

[tight yacht]

im not saying thats a hard and fast rule, i said try not to implying its wasteful unless there is a compelling reason to do it

[frail wagon]

being MORE annoying then mistlands is damn impressive

[slender rover]

It gets better once you get Flametal armor and some of the new magic gear

[frail wagon]

staff of splintering is dog that isnt helping

[tight yacht]

such as dodging attacks that you cant walk away from, or if you see you are getting surrounded

[slender rover]

Honestly until you get staff of the vines my suggestion is Flametal armor, a tower shield, and Mistwalker level 4

[gray sand]

Like I said, they are testing nerfing it into the ground. And you can play that version of it right now by enabling Public Test.

[slender rover]

Bring fire and poison resist potions for valkyries

[frail wagon]

or shattering
whatever the aoe carpet bomb staff is

[slender rover]

Fracturing.

It's kinda lackluster unless used on single targets at close range

[frail wagon]

no WONDER it was so easy to get it makes a level 1 ember staff look like its 4 biomes ahead

[clear comet]

@frail wagon I did a mixed mage build

it works well, you just need to rush staff of the wilds

[frail wagon]

yeah. might swap my etir weaved hood for my level 3 padded helm

[tight yacht]

alright enough war thunder, time to start this damn build

[slender rover]

Fracturing is NOT an AOE weapon, your fire staff is for that. Fracturing is a bit like a shotgun, you need to hit the target with all the projectiles.

But it still does fire damage which is commonly resisted in Ashlands so yeah... Mistwalker until you get some iolite and jade to make lightning and vine weapons

[frail wagon]

is the staff of the wilds hard to get?

[frail wagon]

no no no like the bomb staff?
shoots out one big orb that bursts into alot of little ones

[slender rover]

You need 1 jade from a fortress. If you get lucky you may get it in your first one. If you are me, your third.

[slender rover]

Correct, NOT for AOE. It's crap for that. You want to hit a single target center of mass

[clear comet]

a bit, before that I use staff of embers

[frail wagon]

so... why not just use the staff of frost which is VERY effective for st AND apply's freeze?

[slender rover]

Instead of fracturing in Ashlands, go for it

[clear comet]

having bonemass is crucical

[frail wagon]

queen feels kinda meh

[clear comet]

you wanted to kill them faster than they kill you, staff of embers helps with the aoe and burn damage

[slender rover]

Yes, agreed, but bonemass power has nothing to do with whether or not you can walk to avoid all enemy attacks

[frail wagon]

i hope the massive biome nerf comes out soon because i cant do this man

[clear comet]

1 health 1 stamina 1 eitr is enough for you to cast two fireballs before repositioning, and having able to take one or two hits

[frail wagon]

meh. cant use deadraiser with 1 eitr

[slender rover]

🤦‍♂️ yes I know, that wasn't the point I was replying to though

[clear comet]

dead raiser is good, but then might as well remove 1 health so you just use stamina

you gotta accept you die in one hit tho

[gray sand]

Mage problems 😁

[frail wagon]

Bebel : )

[clear comet]

personally I like melee combat too so I go 1 health 1 eitr 1 stamina

[slender rover]

Anyway, my suggestion from hard learned experience is if you arrived in Ashlands wanting to play mage and are getting frustrated,.swap to heavy armor and Mistwalker and bring meads and you will find it much easier going

[frail wagon]

full mage is entirely dependent on skelly's and protection for 99% of its health anyway

also when it comes to the trolstav its hostile to any mob of any biome right? and the user ofc

[gray sand]

This also applies to all vikings who arrived in Ashlands loving their Atgeirs.

Had to put them on the shelf 😭

[slender rover]

Summoned trolls hate everything, including the person who summons them

[gray sand]

"Ogre kill everyone around."

[frail wagon]

yeah. probably gonna use it to start or end a fight

[slender rover]

Indeed, the stamina use on the spin was too much for the swarm

[gray sand]

Everything having pierce resist was more the issue tbh.

[slender rover]

Lightning made up for that somewhat

[gray sand]

Thankfully we have Krom and Demolisher.

[slender rover]

But yes the everything pierce resist in the biome is highly annoying for ranged players. My bow has been on the shelf for weeks.

[gray sand]

Ripper looks cool though, I will give them that.

[frail wagon]

in the staff of frost we trust 🙏🏻

[slender rover]

In fact, courtesy of the ungodly number of deaths, I bet my bow skill is now under 10

[frail wagon]

i gave my bow to my brother which im playing with when i got mage gear

[slender rover]

Have I mentioned how much I hate the way skill drain is implemented

[gray sand]

Part of my defense of the biome as-is comes from being there all week and I have died only twice 🤷‍♂️

My number one cause of death across the years of playing this game remains "tree."

[frail wagon]

everytime i go into the ashlands its like wth is this i booted up valheim not left 4 dead 2 right?

i am NOT playing this game to play a hoard shooter

[gray sand]

Mob density is the identity of the biome. 🤷‍♂️

[slender rover]

I have died more in my 100 in-game days of Ashlands than the previous 1100 combined

[frail wagon]

could the mobs atleast not be so damn tanky then

[gray sand]

I'm not a mage player so I cannot comment to your experience.

I can say that with Krom or Mistwalker they are not tanky at all. 🤷‍♂️

[frail wagon]

i dont have enough etir nor damage to fight all of these mobs off

[slender rover]

So a while ago I posted a suggestion on how to actually balance out the biome because right now the combat experience feels rough and poorly planned. #suggestions message

[slender rover]

If you're going ice or fire staff, head on is a very bad idea. Get height advantage, use terrain.

[gray sand]

I know "mage problems" was me being cheeky, but it wasn't entirely false either 🤷‍♂️

[frail wagon]

a coward's ability to run is his strongest power.
sadly the coward is dead because 4 charred warriors spawned behind him

[gray sand]

Every melee person had to drop atgeirs and spears and archers absolutely hate their lives.
Magic people having to go viking for a bit until they can upgrade magic seems entirely reasonable. 🤷‍♂️

[frail wagon]

actually. no one should have to drop there build to have fun actually

because at the end of the day this is a VIDEO game its meant to be FUN

[gray sand]

Aerosmith has the perfect song for you...

[frail wagon]

having to drop your build and change it to not get mopped is not FUN

[slender rover]

Not sure what elevators have to do with this

[gray sand]

Dream On

[frail wagon]

god i hope DN isnt this fucking annoying

[thorn wren]

I'm diving into this conversation a little late --- you are talking about Ashlands not being viable as a magic user?

[frail wagon]

Yep

[gray sand]

It will be great.
And then people will complain.
And then they will unnecessarily nerf it.

Same thing happened to Mistlands, is currently happening to Ashlands, will happen to North.

[thorn wren]

I have little experience with the magic in this game tbh, but I have no problems as non-magic user.
When we first did our 3 man playthrough my 2 friends were using magic and seemed fine.

As a solo user I'm unsure of the dmg output --- but that might be an issue. When you pick up a new school of magic your skill will be quite low. In Ashlands your melee stuff is likely to be anywhere between 50-70 when you hit the shore depending on how much you grinded and how often you died.

So if your magic skill is sitting around 20-30 you'll probably have a big damage difference --- and that might be the biggest chunk of the issue

[gray sand]

Skill training does help quite a bit.

[frail wagon]

the main problem i have with it is that alot of people just have to drop their ideal weapon

[thorn wren]

What do you mean exactly?

[frail wagon]

Atigier
Spear
Bow
= Useless

you wanna play with polearms or bows?
Too damn bad son pick up the krom and suffer

[gray sand]

So... Bonemass fight.

[slender rover]

I won't defend the current iteration of Ashlands combat because I think it's poorly implemented, but neither do I think the PTB has it right either. Some rework needs to be done.

BUT.

The game throws some new challenges at your where some of what worked in earlier biomes won't work here. Mages and archers are heavily disadvantaged on arrival, but mages get some really cool toys later. Melee is much stronger at the outset but the Ashlands gear is more of a side upgrade than anything really radically different. Archers get screwed overall, but this is why you are never locked into a build in this game, you can swap out gear at will.

Some of the old tricks do work though. Enemies can't jump like you can. They can't fling fire projectiles from the safety of a ship. They can't parry. They can't raise ground and stand on a hill raining elemental death all around

[thorn wren]

Oh --- I gotcha.
You can get around bow by just using magic arrows in fairness, I use frost arrows for Ashlands and my bow still works really well.
I can 1 shot Marksmen and Twitchers (if critical before they are aware of you) and about half shot warriors

I legit use my bow 80+% of the time against Valks

But in all games vaguely like this you have to deal with multiple damage types --- It isn't really all that noticable most of the game but think Bonemass, slimes, and Golems ----> if you have blunt dmg it is VERY significant

[slender rover]

You must have a high bow skill

[thorn wren]

Pierce sucks against those enemies too ---- IDK if there is really any SLASH penalties in the game.....

[gray sand]

Silver Arrows are almost good and it makes me sad.

[thorn wren]

yes I'm judging from my last playthrough which was HC so in Ashlands I was high 50s / low 60s

[frail wagon]

frostner feel off the face of a cliff suddenly

[gray sand]

If Silver Arrows were less Pierce, more Spirit, they would be awesome.

[frail wagon]

Went from "DAMN THIS THING IS GREAT!" to "DAMN THIS THIS IS HORRIBLE!"

[slender rover]

I went into ashlands with my bow skill at 40 carrying spine snap and a zillion frost arrows and quickly said enough of that crap

[unique onyx]

i think people used frostner a biome or 2 past when it was good anyway lol

[thorn wren]

Hmmmm --- in Ashlands? It's a Mountain weapon you gotta remember --- I used it in that HC run until I got Berserkir axes and it felt fine.
You can use the heavy attack to basically trivialize warriors. Frostner heavy knocks them so far back you can time it as they are walking up and they'll never hit you

[gray sand]

Frostner has sucked since they nerfed it like a year ago.

[frail wagon]

great in mist plains and mountins

[unique onyx]

except that mistwalker is it's clear upgrade

[thorn wren]

Well of course, it is 2 biomes ahead and both are heavy frost oriented weapons

[frail wagon]

but hammer..

[slender rover]

Mistwalker is the clear "if Ashlands is giving you trouble, use this" weapon

[gray sand]

Take 300 Wood Arrows and 2 Crude Bows.
Summon Bonemass. Farm stats.

Block skill?
Take Serpent Shield or BM Tower. Summon Elder.
Face-tank ranged attack or multiple vines. Farm stats.

[thorn wren]

There should probably be more weapon choices in the game, I think that'd be cool --- but it also seems fair to expect to approach the game with 3+ primary skills in mind
like I did bow/mace/axe in that hc playthrough I mentioned so I had all 3 damage types covered (and I wanted to primarily use Berserkir axes in ashlands xD)

[gray sand]

Swim skill?
Get bored while smelting 1539 iron. Farm stats. 😁 (mine was at 83 before I landed on Ashlands, lol)

[scenic mountain]

hey folks!

[tight yacht]

do monsters attack crops?

[gray sand]

No, they harvest them for you 😉

[tight yacht]

seems like they do lol

well shit that means i cant have my ground-level stuff be undefended

trying to plot out what this new base is gonna look like

[thorn wren]

You can put a fence around it with the little X roof pieces, but they generally only kill crops when they are trying to attack the player

[tight yacht]

just going to do what i always do when things need protecting on the ground...earthen wall

its mistlands/plains biome border with lots of nasties nearby, this is the only way to give the crops even a chance to survive long enough for me to get involved

im building my base proper wayyyyy up above in some stone spires so i wont be anywhere near this area

but it is close enough to render

how about root taps, do those attract enemies?

[unique onyx]

yeah but if you're just porting in to pick those and/or crops, a lot of the time you don't need any defense

[tight yacht]

ehh this is established, but i hope the ones further out will be outside rendering distance

[unique onyx]

probably wouldn't take much to cover them either if it does become an issue

[tight yacht]

cover them?

you mean like encase them in stone or something

[unique onyx]

yeah whatever you like

[wraith sun]

My plains and mistlands crop fields never has any defences

I just plant what I want planted and leave before any crops gets attacked and first return once I know they are ready for harvest

[tight yacht]

thats certainly more efficient

[gray sand]

Imagine not living in the Plains as your main base... given it is the perfect biome. 😭😭😉😏😁

[wraith sun]

Planing on moving to the ashlands with my main base

[gray sand]

I was going to. But the visibility in Ashlands is like half as bad as visibility in Mistlands. 😭

[tight yacht]

i have lived in the plains lol you seen my base there

[gray sand]

I want to look out from my balcony and SEE THINGS.

[tight yacht]

im debating if i want to console out the mist in my immediate area...its permanent right?

[gray sand]

Until you console it back in, yes.

[tight yacht]

you can console it back in?

[gray sand]

Dddid I stttutterrrr?

[tight yacht]

as it had been before? or do you need to manually place them

[gray sand]

You can do both afaik. There is a spawn mist wherever and a reset environment command.

Go spawn a mistcloud on the trophy stones for fun 😉

[tight yacht]

so i can delete while im building so i can get a better big picture overview, and then when im done, re-add it exactly as it had been and do wisptorches

[unique onyx]

vision in the swamp and ashlands is bad yes, but have you ever turned around and looked and how much better your base lighting is in pictures?

[gray sand]

Swamp has no vision issues 🤷‍♂️

[gray sand]

I don't see why not.

[unique onyx]

it's raining which isn't great for pictures, but the darkness looks great

[gray sand]

I only really give kudos to Swamp bases centered around the Bonemass skull tbf.

[unique onyx]

those are cool, but i also like the tree houses

[gray sand]

Call it childhood trauma.... I hate treehouses.

[tight yacht]

i do the same thing with stone pillars in the plains

[gray sand]

Hatred.

[tight yacht]

and now im going to do it in the mistlands too

[unique onyx]

oh and you can make a cool indoor jump out of the circle towers there

[gray sand]

I see through the lies of the skybasers.
I do not fear the dirt as you do.
I have brought flatness, groundedness, community, and stability to my new Plains base!

Anakin my allegiance is to spawn proofing, to SAFETY!

If you're not down here with me, then you're my enemy.

Only a viking deals in absolutes. I shall build what I must.

[tight yacht]

nothing an earth wall cant fix

[tight yacht]

did you see my plains base in #building-screenshots

[gray sand]

Yes.

[tight yacht]

its at least half on the ground id say

[gray sand]

Personally dislike earthwalls, but I understand why people build them.

[tight yacht]

id need 2 things to not make them anymore...

1. stone needs to be stronger
2. a way to repair everything in the radius of an object like a ward or something, even if it cost a small amount of the material

finding each individual thing that gets damaged is a huge pain in the ass