valheim-chat

[heady parcel]

Drakes killing hares for me ❤️

[paper marsh]

huh, I only just noticed that how far you can throw an item out of your inventory depends on its weight

[heady parcel]

Omg. Bonemass powa ❤️ !!! Came down a mistlands mountain to - presumably - a more survivable plains at nighfall. Immediately ran into a bunch of fulings with one 1star and one 2star, and they were promptly joined by two herds of lox AND two deathsquitoes. I don't think I've ever been in this much trouble and actually survived. Holy smoke.

[wild copper]

i wish theyll add armor with +% movement speed as ashlands tier
once you play fenris you never go back to that slow clunky heavy armors

[lunar sapphire]

Was definitely sleeping

[fresh patio]

Anyone know how to disable the scroll wheel when playing Valheim? Whenever I am building and not on a build piece, it will zoom my camera in or out when I am trying to rotate an object.

[frigid gust]

Unfortunately not. It's an intended feature, but it would be nice to have a toggle as an option.

[opal prairie]

I hope you slept well.

[fresh patio]

That would be very nice, have the ability to at least zoom the camera in and out with seperate binds but not have that intended for scroll wheel when you have that as rotate for building.

[odd helm]

The camera zoom in building mode is a PTB thing atm, isn't it?

As long as you've selected an object and can see the silhouette, it should rotate correctly

[frigid gust]

I thought it was in general release from last release, but I could be losing my mind

[paper marsh]

Workbench/Forge upgrades aren't base structures right?

for determining raids

[sage dock]

?

[odd helm]

Not to my knowledge, no. Only the stations themselves are.

[rich ice]

Can enemies crit on players? Or, is the amount straight up determined by armor damage reduction, resistances, and a set hit number from the enemy?

[frigid gust]

Enemies can stagger players, but I don't believe they can crit

[fresh patio]

I dont even play PTB at the moment but is it though? I just suggested it as a suggestion so if it is I will remove that

[odd helm]

You should be able to rotate build pieces as long as you have them selected and can see the silhouette tho

[paper marsh]

Can't crit but their damage varies a bit. Every hit won't do the exact same amount of damage

[odd helm]

It's only when you can't see it that it zooms out, afaik

[latent wraith]

I checked Winter's spreadsheet and they are indeed not. #building-tips message

[rich ice]

Okay, thanks. I'm always too busy not dying to really try to watch the numbers, heh.

Just sometimes seems like I get hit way harder, but there are always a lot of factors at play - such as, have I forgotten to eat again?

[regal spoke]

o/ Vikings o7

[regal spoke]

Is this due to block bar, hp, etc.?

[paper marsh]

Don't think so. Mobs just have a bit of variation in damage. Players do too. Suppose thats why our weapons say "Damage: 32-41" instead of just "Damage: 35"

[regal spoke]

I know most(?) weapons have a 3 hit combo. Different damage applied through combo. Pretty typical I guess. Would be neat if mobs had similar.

I was thinking deeper. When we block/parry. There's chip damage that gets through. So as our hp lessons our effective block is also affected? Changing how much damage a mob does to us. This line of thought had me wonder if, mob "armor" can also be affected? Or if it is a thing at all

Stagger is basically that thing. We break their defense via stagger and do more damage. But nothing so far in terms of external armor break. IE "Poison bomb weakens armor"

[rich ice]

But is our block a percentage? I thought it was a constant number?

[sweet bay]

there's no armor for enemies

[sweet bay]

sounds interesting, but not a thing in the current game version

[regal spoke]

Am I mistaken that HP is considered in blocking?

[paper marsh]

the 3 hit combo is just 1x damage for first two hits, 2x damage for 3rd hit

HP IS considered in blocking/parrying, but it has nothing to do with damage. It just affects how much stagger you can take (get too much stagger and the block/parry will fail and you will take full damage)

[sweet bay]

It's considered in terms of stagger limit

[rich ice]

Ahh, that makes sense.

[regal spoke]

Yea sorry that thought/question arose year one. I know armor is not a thing like in other games.

Hp only affecting stagge I see. Ty for helping me understand

[lusty latch]

What's a good way to move pigs from place to place without a harpoon?

We only have access to swamp level items atm

[regal spoke]

Create a chute and run them into a boat?

[lusty latch]

A chute? Have to move across land, not water

I'm very new to valheim so idk shit yet haha

[sweet bay]

AFAIR there's nothing later, you just push or harpoon them

[lusty latch]

We can't get a harpoon until later in the game, right?

[regal spoke]

So if it's not to far across land you could still make a barricaded path and set fires behind them to make them run down the path for you

[paper marsh]

You can get it pretty early, but easiest to do once you get the first boat

[lusty latch]

Yeah I was thinking make a path with fences

[regal spoke]

Yea seems legit

[drowsy magnet]

👋 Kiri, would you mind if I asked you a question about your site while you're here?

[lusty latch]

ty everyone

[paper marsh]

Just had "A foul smell from the swamp" raid, and it had 2 melee skeletons and all other skeletons/draugr were archers

[regal spoke]

That sounds fun

[lusty latch]

If you log out during a raid, does it pause it? And resume when you log back in?

Or does it just go away lol

[drowsy magnet]

i wish they included elites

[vocal rivet]

Everything including raid timers pause when the server is empty.

[lusty latch]

damn lol

[paper marsh]

These horde raids every 30 minutes at my house are a bit rough. I need to put up defenses

[vocal rivet]

Oof, what difficulty was that again?

[latent wraith]

Just get a few lox.

[sweet bay]

go ahead, but may better in PM

[paper marsh]

All the worst settings. Including Very Hard and Max raids

luckily last two raids have just been surtlings

[vocal rivet]

Sounds rough. Not for me.

[paper marsh]

understandable

[lone vortex]

How do you add mods to a save

[sweet bay]

you add mods to a game, not save

#mods-discussion ask here

[dense rapids]

are there pants that give a bonus on speed?

nvm, found it on the wiki

[sonic star]

me adding seasons was a bad idea

currently stuck here waiting out snow so I don't freeze to death

[vocal rivet]

loves it when people use the Wiki

[dense rapids]

The wiki is great!

[latent wraith]

Feels like a small wiki-tory, doesn't it?

[vocal rivet]

Definitely.

[dense rapids]

I had to read that 10 times to get it..

[fresh terrace]

Like tomba lol

[dense rapids]

I'm making a treasure hunt for my friends, so much fun 😄 It's like a new hildirs quest where they go from point to point and get new directions at each step.

[exotic cradle]

[fresh terrace]

How cool!

[dense rapids]

I'm trying to throw in everything I can come up with

[exotic cradle]

I ~~love ~~ like you now btw

[fresh terrace]

Haha I was recently emulating that game. It is way harder than I remember it being

[magic fog]

Hello. I’m new to the discord was wondering if there are any PVE servers. Thanks in advance

[vocal rivet]

There are servers advertised on #1024264966712340510

[gray pecan]

so idk if this is the correct place to ask for mod help but i was having trouble with the epic loot mod as the enchanting table does not work for me

[exotic cradle]

#mods-issues or #mods-discussion

[gray pecan]

Mb

[exotic cradle]

Nah you good, just redirecting 🙂

[chilly forge]

Had no idea ||flametal|| was in the game, and that you could actually aquire it.

[vocal rivet]

Well, it's effectively a placeholder at the moment, there's nothing you can do with it.

And it's in a biome that you should probably avoid until it is released.

[sweet bay]

it's not used for any existing items and no guarantees it would be actually used after release of that biome

[azure yacht]

It's been very heavily implied it will be used

Otherwise they wouldn't have used "flametal gear" during their dev blogs

[ember panther]

Prob gonna need something else for it to be useful

[white mural]

i now have level 2 huntsmans bow with a stack of ironhead arrows

[halcyon thistle]

flametal is going to be used, of course... I think they meant that the placeholder could be just removed

[broken ingot]

is there a test server channel at all?

[frigid gust]

Test server? What do you mean? Anyone that installs the public beta should be able to set up a server

[lyric olive]

Fenris is the worst set in the game right?

Why would you want fist damage lol

If the ms was like 30% I'd consider it but 9% for losing like 60 armour??

Whoever made this set really didn't want it to be very good

I hope it gets buffed

[vocal rivet]

People will often stay in fenris until current endgame.

[lyric olive]

Seems like a huge waste of grinding

I defeated Moder today also 😄

[azure yacht]

If they didn't remove the placeholder dropped by yagluth I really don't think they will for flametal...

It implies they can use existing assets instead of removing it in exchange of the updated version

[paper marsh]

People usually don't run it for the fist, but for the speed. Compared to a heavy armor piece, slotting in fenris legs or fenris chest ups your movement speed by 8%

I think most people just use the legs tho, not the full set

[grizzled wing]

Yeah i run legs until mistlands

[broken ingot]

The dev test server where people can test the latest update

[vocal rivet]

There is no 'dev test server'. You can set your own one up though.

[paper marsh]

Go to id:customize and you can get the public tester role. Gives you access to the channel in the discord for testing updates before they fully release. In that channel I believe there's also instructions for how to set it up

[broken ingot]

ty

[lunar ridge]

Actually it's 19% speed if you factor in the heavy armor decreases by 10% whilst the fenris set increases by 9%. Which is honestly a massive increase. I LOVE the set

Get a ||feather|| cape, eikthyr buff, triple stamina food. zoomies

[brittle geyser]

eikthyr buff?

[paper marsh]

for the full set yea, but I said for chest or legs

[paper marsh]

zoomies for longer

[lunar ridge]

Boss active, ALL the run

[grizzled wing]

I wonder what's faster, full fenris sprinting with unlimited stamina or a karve with tailwind?

[lunar ridge]

Fenris, assuming you have enough land to run on

and it's probably not even close

[hidden gorge]

you get it for the speed. speed is very good, even a little bit has a huge impact

[grizzled wing]

I checked the wiki, running at lvl 0 is 7m/s and the karve at max speed is also 7m/s so yeah fenris wins obviously

[lunar ridge]

Also pretty sure Longboat is a bit faster than the Karve

[grizzled wing]

Longboat max is 9.75m/s

[lunar ridge]

Maybe that would be a more fair race lol

[azure yacht]

Because flesh rippers are one of the best melee weapons?

Kinda weird question

Also...

[lunar ridge]

Fenris set is the epitome of "can't take damage if don't get hit"

[azure yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/hahahahaha-funny-as-hell-hilarious-laugh-let-me-laugh-even-harder-gif-17352083

[lunar ridge]

Literally can just walk away from most enemy attacks, don't gotta waste stamina on running

So good

[grizzled wing]

Running at max lvl is 8.5m/s +9% from fenris is 9.4m/s so that's actually comparable. Plus the longboat only reaches 9.75m/s with a tail-crosswind, normal tailwind is 9.5m/s

[strange arrow]

ooh that's very close

if the wind changes Fenris wins xD

[lunar ridge]

"fast as fk boi" - the armor set

[grizzled wing]

If the fenris gave +10% they'd be exactly tied (with normal tailwind)

[lunar ridge]

Confirmed, they wanted to make people not just run everywhere so they intentionally gimped fenris

[grizzled wing]

I'd rather run everywhere than check my phone for 10 minutes while glancing up

[lunar ridge]

Average Longboat experience

[plain bane]

Is this a meme or

[uncut bough]

man 2 star fulings are the absolute menace

luckily a shallow river is enough to make it as slow as being tarred

[plain bane]

2 star berserkers make me sad.

[uncut bough]

at least beserkers are slow, and its attack are also slow

[grizzled wing]

I don't think it is. But he's been flamed enough for it

[uncut bough]

so it takes enduring shot with bow, but 2 star fuling runs circles around you and then hit you for 1/3 health

so 3 hits and u r literally dead

[plain bane]

Sorry mr. moderator?

[vocal rivet]

Where was the modding?

[plain bane]

They can't climb boulders at least; I keep a mental note of where boulders are in case I'm caught by them or a berserker.

[grizzled wing]

God forbid we give the guy a break, relax

[plain bane]

I said exactly one line, in response to a quote by Meeves. Calm down.

[grizzled wing]

Are you alright dude? The guy's been roasted for the last few hours and you get in your bitches when i suggest maybe we don't continue?

[plain bane]

valheim-chat

[grizzled wing]

Wonderful rebuttal 🔥

[sage dock]

good grief. handbags down, ladies

[grizzled wing]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[cinder ether]

anyone have any experience with axenthost?

[glad plover]

can you not place campfires on floors anymore?

[paper marsh]

not on wooden floors. Only on stone floors or ground

[plush umbra]

never could place them on wooden floors in the first place.
though if you place them on stone or ground and then remove those while they're still supported by a wooden floor, they're fine if i remember correctly.

[toxic brook]

man i am so pumped for Ashlands

[plain bane]

You can buy a certain item from a trader that lets you build them on wood floors. But I don't think you can cook food off of those.

You can also build braziers and hang them wherever with the right ventilation.

[tranquil pewter]

Anyone wanna start a fresh world, ik it’s late in the US but damn I’m bored and restless at the moment

[kind pelican]

found out recently dead raiser skeletons arent tied to the weapons so you can share it to have everyone summon off the same dead raiser

[mossy fiber]

Do lakes in frost caves actually exist? They're so hard to find

[mint aspen]

they can be a frustrating search, especially when you find one and it doesn't have any fish in it

[sage dock]

Do you need the cold bait to even catch anything? Or can just use normal bait?

[mossy fiber]

Noooooo. You can find one and still no fish!?!? Oh by Odin's beard, that is just cruel

I imagine it has to be frozen bait

[plain bane]

Lucked out and got one with two lakes, one literally right inside the entrance. Aside from that, seen maybe one other cave out of dozens with a lake.

[mint aspen]

I believe you need the right bait to catch tetra but I caught mine a while go so there may have been an update

[mossy fiber]

I've been to a lot of caves. Only ever seen two or three with the fishing rod and body

[halcyon blade]

I always find tetra in the tiny pools of water that are much more common than the large unfrozen lakes.

[mint aspen]

I have noticed that the pnds do tend to be close to the entrance

[plain bane]

That bein said if one doesn't have fish, check the ground in the cave; sometimes they spawn outside of the lakes or fly out of the lake and get stranded. Picked up quite a few tetra.

They also respawn periodically, so check back here and there.

[mossy fiber]

Whoa. Excellent tips. Search more, got it

[sage dock]

Tis possible to build inside the frost caves so maybe drop a portal?

[mossy fiber]

With mods, yeah

[mint aspen]

I caught mine in the very small ponds near the tops of the cave

[mossy fiber]

Never saw a pond either

[mint aspen]

I never found fish in the big lakes down deep in the caves, but that's just me

[halcyon blade]

I always have at least 1 or 2 that either hop out or get pushed out of the small pools where they can be picked up. And one time I encountered the bug where they fell through the bottom and I picked a few up in the mountain outside of the cave.

[plain bane]

Always fun when fish fall from the sky.

[halcyon blade]

It's raining cats and dogs fish.

[plain bane]

As much iron gets thrown out of bounds in crypts I'm glad entities don't have collision; that'd be a funny way to die, hit in the head by a de-orbiting fish.

[sage dock]

Never had the iron problem ill admit

Mine was getting stuck on boats and it despawning through the shoreline when i threw it out

[sage dock]

Nothing great about a server out for your blood thinking you're hoarding ore stacks and no, its just coz you screwed up running out of stamina too far from shore again

[paper marsh]

yea it would be broken if it was tied to the weapon. One person could summon a 100 skeleton army if they just had a bunch of dead raisers in a chest

[uncut bough]

Just found 2 1-star boar near runestone, so i am taming em

Well better than 0-star boars laying around my yard for sure

Now i got 1 star wolf farm, and 1 star boar farm, though boar are giving more offsprings than i thought

Man i will never get over how i fumbled the 2 star wolf bag

[gentle lynx]

where should I ask for help regarding memory leak ( that might be caused by mods )

[uncut bough]

#mods-issues that should work

Should wait for more time, currently a lot of folks are eeping

[gentle lynx]

alright I asked the right place then I guess

[uncut bough]

So u wont get instantaneous answers

[gentle lynx]

eep is good

[uncut bough]

I didnt say otherwise

[gentle lynx]

I was just commenting :>

[opal prairie]

Morning gjall.

[uncut bough]

Goodbye gjall

[lunar sapphire]

[uncut bough]

Is gjall “g-jall” or “yall” or “gal”

[pliant hatch]

Is it morning?

Can't tell after 4 hours of sleep.

[uncut bough]

No it is still midnight, u should go back to sleep

Straight up gaslighting u to believe it is midnight

[opal prairie]

For me it is and I do know the pain of too little sleep.

[pliant hatch]

According to the clock it's over here as well.
But now my visit to the dentist's done, I might as well go back to sleep indeed. Got a long working shift coming up later.

And no time to set up a good base in Valheim. 😦

[opal prairie]

Queen of hearts voice: Off to your bed!

[near furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/how-yall-doing-meshach-taylor-anthony-bouvier-designing-women-how-you-all-doing-gif-17493855

but G'jall

;p

[rain flare]

Eep eep 😂🥰🥳

[opal prairie]

Fine, bike ride this morning was good, 12km took me 28 minutes.
Is Gjall pronounced with a soft g or is it silent and you just say jall?

[opal prairie]

I want more eep.

[rain flare]

Yeeeeheheheheeeees!!! 😭

Awake at 3:40 this morning 😓

[rain flare]

Too much awake not enough eep 😅

[opal prairie]

In bed at around 1:45 alarm clock at 6, stupid DSPS.

[halcyon thistle]

so apparently you cannot normal block a 1-star berserker with a level 1 blackmetal round shield while running stamina food

[opal prairie]

Now you know not to do that again.

[halcyon thistle]

learned it the easy way

good #screenshots message

fun camp, around 5 berserkers and 4 shamans and god knows how many fulings

[opal prairie]

You showed those gibbering maniacs who's boss.

[halcyon thistle]

and I thank huntsman bow for it

[south nymph]

Is there any devcommand to spawn an object and also rotate it to a chosen angle instead of a fixed one?

[halcyon thistle]

I think you can't set the rotation in vanilla, I know you can with mods tho

[south nymph]

Oops, wrong chat, also thanks

[torpid mango]

Nahh💀

[halcyon thistle]

pretty compact too, there were 3 chests and 1 totem, no crops, 3 bonfires

it was just DENSE

[charred otter]

Is there a way to collect back boats into materials (or "move" them)?

Cuz if there is a closed body of water I placed a ship at, then it's stuck in that area and I can't reuse it somewhere else

[merry pebble]

just destroy them with your weapon and stand in the middle of it

you will colect all the materials if you have enough space and carry weight

[opal prairie]

You can break the boat by chopping it with an axe for example, just make sure you destroy it in shallow water while standing in the middle of the boat so you don't lose any materials.

[merry pebble]

almost everything you build will give you back all the materials you used for it 😄

[halcyon thistle]

is the exception generated structures?

[charred otter]

Thought it only worked if u use the hammer, that's nice it works in general

[halcyon thistle]

pretty sure all player-built is 100% refundable

[merry pebble]

i think so, thats why i said almost everything YOU build 😄

[charred otter]

I think if u destroy it while damaged it doesn't give all the mats

[halcyon thistle]

I think if you damage to 0 some pieces you build you don't get it back

[charred otter]

So if a plank is half damaged and u use an hammer to deconstruct I think u will get 1 log instead of 2

[halcyon thistle]

and fires, of course... the fuel is not refunded

[opal prairie]

It does.

[charred otter]

Oh cool

[merry pebble]

no, if you build it you will always get everything back, exeptions are campfires, torches etc, you will not get back the fuel you need to build them

[opal prairie]

Even the pregenerated houses can be broken down with a workbench or stone cutter for materials.

[halcyon thistle]

I think wood piles, if you break them with an axe you don't get 50 back you get like 1 or 2

[charred otter]

Is the finewood bow the best bow before u get into swamp (so bronze age)

[merry pebble]

the wood piles generated in meadows villages are different from those you as a player builds, the are even visualy smaller

[halcyon thistle]

I meant the ones you actually build using 50 wood

[merry pebble]

you always get back full 50 wood from those

no matter how damaged they are

[halcyon thistle]

I just recently watched someone lose their wood because of that, was an old video tho

[merry pebble]

can you send me it if you can still find it? it could be just the generated pile

[halcyon thistle]

too many hours to go through again, I tried skipping a bit and didn't find it

[low crypt]

hey is there an easy way to tell if it is raining in the ocean?

[halcyon thistle]

was cohh carnage tho, his playthrough is nice

[halcyon thistle]

you get wet! if you mean from far away I don't think you can

[low crypt]

fair enough

[pliant hatch]

Well, couldn't eep. So I guess it's a bit of Valheim after all.

[opal prairie]

Not being able to eep is such a pain.

[violet comet]

Any update on the GDC talk and the roadmap? 😁

[toxic rose]

Isn't it about 6 hours before the speech starts?

[pliant hatch]

Just got a weird experience when jumping on a Leviathan during a storm.

For some odd reason I wasn't able to keep standing, but somehow kept sliding down until the storm was gone.

[charred otter]

Tried to go into a swamp and got 2 shotted by a 2star archer draugr, is that normal? lol

[halcyon thistle]

roadmap was scrapped years ago

[violet comet]

Well they’re talking about the roadmap today at GDC 🙂

[violet comet]

It says 10.50 so I assumed it was AM, I don’t know if it’s in America or something I just assumed it was EU

Ah yeah, San Francisco okay that answers that then lol

[halcyon thistle]

probably about how having a roadmap was a bad idea

[violet comet]

Well hopefully it’s an updated one that they can stick to or at least give us an indication as to what they’re focusing on after Ashland’s and if we get more filler content before deep north

[charred otter]

What's the firey thing in the swamp

Will I die if I go near there

[obsidian remnant]

Can someone join me on xbox to help me build a shelter

[uncut bough]

good morning gyall

gyat-

[charred otter]

gm

[toxic rose]

Yes time zones are evil...

[uncut bough]

ok imm go back to sleep

man 1 star wolf and 1 star boar hits different

so much more meat for same effort, even though breeding is some low-maintenance activities

the boars are more mushroom intensive than i thought, i might have to do a mushroom gathering trip

[toxic rose]

Feed them by mushrooms? How wasteful...

[uncut bough]

no less wasteful than using any other foods

[half dragon]

oh right... is there a list of animals that can be tamed? Boars, wolves, loxes... anything else?

[uncut bough]

chickin, that is all

so 4 creatures, 3 in the wild, 1 have to be bought

[merry pebble]

no, you can actually plant and grow other stuff, you have to go and gather mushrooms

[half dragon]

damn, my world domination though army of death squitos is now ruined

[uncut bough]

i want my 200 stacks of carrot, onion and turnip intact

[pliant hatch]

An army of 2 star wolves works quite well too.

[uncut bough]

"let them eat Mushroom"

[uncut bough]

i fumbled the bag, now i am just doing 1 star first

[merry pebble]

but thats just your personal thing, its generally much motre wastefull to feed them mushrooms

[opal prairie]

@languid root So many flowers there.

[uncut bough]

mushroom gathering isn't wasteful, it takes 2 in game days for crop to mature, in the meantime i got 100 stacks of mushroom effortlessly

[neat tendon]

Curious question, have we seen any sneak peaks regarding what "The Queen's" item drop is? 🤔

[uncut bough]

erm, it isn't sneak peaks anymore, u can already fight the queen

misty land is where you fight it

[pliant hatch]

YEah, but we don't know what the placeholder she drops is going to be.
And that was what the question was about.

[charred otter]

#valheim-help is that a crypt (the dungeon that uses the swamp key) or should I just skip it?

[half dragon]

do you get her throphy and power though?

[uncut bough]

ic

[merry pebble]

thats not a crypt but you should click on that rock with red symbol 😄

[charred otter]

I'd prefer not to die

[uncut bough]

the crypts are very distinct, u will know it when u see it

[charred otter]

Also there are some red things nearby

[uncut bough]

fight them then

you got yer sword and shield and bow not for nothin

[charred otter]

oh ffs, I just want to reach one without dying, I get 2 shotted from an archer

[charred otter]

An archer there almost killed me

[uncut bough]

2 shot?? did bro come across 2 star archer or sth?

that is one hell of a first find there is to make, if that is real

[languid root]

ty, didn't grow it myself

[charred otter]

It was an elite, but yes I did come across a 2star archer (at the border into the swamp)

Also how "deep" is deep?

[opal prairie]

Looking good though. Did you have a good nights eep?

[languid root]

no, just 80% walls around

[charred otter]

Posted a map in #valheim-help , is this deep enough for crypts

[lunar ridge]

Absolutely should be deep enough, yes

Luck is luck, sometimes you do get smacked by RNGsus but there's no actual reason for crypts not to spawn that deep

[charred otter]

Oh no, found a body pile

[charred otter]

And sometimes it's by a 2star daugr archer

[pliant hatch]

Either clear it or become part of it. Choice is obvious (for me)

[charred otter]

What's the strat for archers in general, I find them really hard to deal with

[fair cairn]

mushrooms are used for other foods though, give them carrots or onions or turnips

[lunar ridge]

Archers are pretty easy to deal with, just parry arrows

[charred otter]

What do I use for the timing

[lunar ridge]

Without putting too fine a point on it, your brain lol

[charred otter]

Cuz melee is just when the attack is telegraphed

[fair cairn]

pretty sure before the arrow hits

[half dragon]

This is the saddest crypt I've ever seen... it has only 2 damn rooms and had only 1 scrap pile, got 3 iron scrap from it

[uncut bough]

my crypt room has NO scrap, just 1 chest and then all 3 ways are blockaded with stone

[lunar ridge]

Had 1 yesterday with zero halls, just a sad lil entrance

[uncut bough]

well one in 6 crypt i found in swamp at least

cuz if all 6 are like that imma cry a river

[opal prairie]

The moment before they release, put the shield up then, if you are further away the moment the arrow is sent flying.

[grizzled wing]

Archers hold the arrow for a set amount of time, so the only thing you have to account for is distance

[lunar ridge]

The parry window is quite big for attacks, so don't worry too much about it, it's not like it needs to be frame perfect

In fact, I find if you do try to be frame perfect it fails more often than not

[opal prairie]

I mostly archer them back, dodge the arrow with a roll then fire one yourself.
Get behind a tree or rock, draw step out and release and back into hiding.
Sneak close with daggers and backstab them.

[charred otter]

If I am in closed range, hold it before they shoot, aight
Also do crypts spawn in specific terrain, like can they spawn on a mountain?

[lunar ridge]

They will spawn at water level usually

[opal prairie]

Crypts only in swamps.

[charred otter]

Oh rolling, I never really learned how to use it
but my strat was to just circle a tree, but couldn't really attack them then

[charred otter]

I mean terrain not biome, so a hill in a swamp

[opal prairie]

Yeah they can if the hill is big enough but they will spawn at water or slightly above most of the time.
Hill crypts are less common.

[lunar ridge]

Up to you, do you want me to come through and help find a crypt?

[charred otter]

Oh no, a tree just became alive, how do I deal with it lol

[lunar ridge]

Run for the hills

[charred otter]

Hmm, maybe, I am really scared I'll die in the swamp

[lunar ridge]

I won't be bringing anything above swamp biome to make it fair

[pliant hatch]

Keep your distance and pump it full of fire arrows. Kite it to dry land, so you can get the faster stamina regen again.

[opal prairie]

They have a set pattern of attack, learn it and they become easier to deal with.
Slashing or fire damage works best against them.
if you can find a surtling geyser and kite it on it that takes care of them quickly.

[charred otter]

More into running away from them if possible

[lunar ridge]

They'll be much easier to actually fight once you've got iron gear from the crypt

[charred otter]

Well one spawned on me rn

[lunar ridge]

are you running your game in solo mode? If you are, save logout and restart as a server and I'll be in briefly

[opal prairie]

Then get a bow and fire arrows, find yourself a crypt or an indestructible log and plink away at them.
On a crypt just move furthest away from them.
With a log you might need to jump off the side they are furthest from so their pathfinding looks for a way around and then you can get back on the log and keep on plinking till they get close again.

[charred otter]

I think so (default settings), also how can I make a backup and where is it located?

[pure lantern]

did they update skol and haiti durability yet? I remember it was breaking too fast due to being fast and hitting too often

[lunar ridge]

Same 350 durability

at +4 anyway

[pure lantern]

and it loses 1 durability each hit?

[lunar ridge]

Pretty sure all weapons do

[pure lantern]

it either should lose half durability each it or maybe they bring consumable sharpening stone we can carry with us, to repair weapon on field

[opal prairie]

Make a suggestion for it, that faster but less hard hitting weapons should get either more durability or less durability damage from attacks, as to signify those weapons have less wear and tear in combat.

[lunar ridge]

Or you could just sneak and 1-hit everything like you're meant to lol

[pure lantern]

pretty sure I did, and it was upvoted. that's why I asked

like a year ago

[charred otter]

How do I backup a world and where is the backup located?

[grizzled wing]

Consumable equipment repair would be neat

[lunar ridge]

depends on if you have cloud save or local save

[charred otter]

I have enough space for the 10gb cloud

[lunar ridge]

And there's about a billion pages 1 google search away that list the process in detail so I recommend checking that

[opal prairie]

Repost it maybe, since the hack all the suggestions got deleted.

[charred otter]

alr fair

[lunar ridge]

Just more efficient than me sitting here for 30 minutes typing it all out, some bloke's already done the hard part lol

[charred otter]

Btw can I DM u, would be easier to have no slowmode if u join the world

[lunar ridge]

yep

[uncut bough]

i was going to use my 1 star wolves army to roam the mountain, but then i see a golem from afar and i immediately backtrack and put them home

[half dragon]

oozer poison is so great... full HP and lost all of it to 1 fart of poison

[uncut bough]

they have no chance against the golem and the golem gonna turn them into wolf skewer

someone did not have poison mead

[half dragon]

of course not. I haven't needed it for last 5 hours, taking it constantly when it's not needed is just wasteful. Got really unlucky here. I smacked it, rolled away because I was expecting a fart... but no. it just did a jump and landed right on top of me where I landed after a roll, and then farted

[azure yacht]

Of all biomes mountains are the worse place to use them in...

Golems kill them, they can't attack other wolves and drakes are always beyond reach

[half dragon]

but I'd prefer getting that root armor set. problem is, not a single root thingy yet

they do spawn in the swamp right?

[uncut bough]

i was leading them down to black forest, but i have to pass through a wide patch of mountains

maybe i will set up a base in black forest, because my home is so far away

[opal prairie]

Yes they do, they also have spawn points so once you have found one you are bound to find another at the same spot in the future.
Maybe not right after but it is bound to respawn there.

[half dragon]

ahh. guess just haven't found one of those spots yet

that set is quite expensive compared to troll armor... but want it quite badly

[agile delta]

is this game is still on early access?

[azure yacht]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/892970/Valheim/

[agile delta]

oh yeah thanks bud i didnt see that

[half dragon]

Yes. but I highly doubt it's going to leave early access until all of the biomes are properly implemented

[median tartan]

public test 0.217.43 crash lol

[uncut bough]

all you will ever need to curb through swamp

it has poison res, pierce res

[half dragon]

so pretty good in plains as well, at least for squitos lol

[uncut bough]

well the poison res isn't a catch-all against all form of poisons, they will still hit you quite good, but root armor is good enough for any small scale engagement versus blobs and oozers

[half dragon]

they always poke my ass when I do not expect combat lol

[uncut bough]

for fighting the boss poison mead is still a must though

i saw what you deleted.gif

[half dragon]

ooohh, just noticed that you do not even need the full set to get poison resist

[grizzled wing]

Yea just the mask

[uncut bough]

yea that is why it is decent enough to fight oozer and hell probably throw the game out of the window and you will still win

[half dragon]

now just need find those damn abominations...

[uncut bough]

just run mad dash across the swamp, they will eventually come out

fire arrow is king, otherwise parry + slash

[half dragon]

think I'll just go for parry. got that iron buckler ready

[grizzled wing]

Firearrows aren't great because of the rain. Sword/axe is best. Pierce and blunt are basically useless

Frostner ego check from abominations lol

[uncut bough]

no, mobs arent affected by the rain

so their fire wont put out, wym

[grizzled wing]

Oh interesting

[uncut bough]

only when they dive into nearby water, which they tends to do a lot when they cant chase you, then the fire is put out

[grizzled wing]

Aboms resist pierce still

[uncut bough]

otherwise they wouldnt have burnt for the full 2-3 seconds and the wiki wouldnt have said that fire arrow is effective against abo

which would have made ALL fire source in Swamp useless

you can kite an abomination into fire geyser, u will see it burn and not put out

effortlessly farming aboms

[grizzled wing]

True, surtling spawners melt em. I die a decent amount so I'll take the weapon xp instead

[half dragon]

finally found abomination... but turns out their hit boxes are absolute ass and keep moving around, making it hard to actually hit anything even when you do parry

guess I'll just go for the fire arrows. if I could hit every chop there would be no problem fighting it but... I think I missed more hits than I made successful hits

[regal spoke]

Get right next to the lower trunk. You can parry leg attacks. Just attack center mass

[kind pelican]

^
i get right under it
the stomp attack completely misses when you do
you basically have the body slam and leg swing, yeah

[half dragon]

can't help but wonder if battleaxe would work any better

[regal spoke]

Slash damage iirc

[half dragon]

or just stand on top of a crypt. found out they can't hit you there, but you can hit them

[drowsy magnet]

I've been using iron battleaxe to deal with them. Very easy to parry but hard to actually hit. its really annoying when i miss swings esp since im playing on the hardest difficulty. But on level ground when I parry them I can take them out before they even get a chance to strike back

[half dragon]

guess that's going to be next on my crafting list

[regal spoke]

Do battle axe have a stagger like atgeir

[drowsy magnet]

yea

The special attack (middle mouse button) staggers most mobs but with ones like trolls and aboms they always stagger on the third combo attack

[regal spoke]

Sweet. Sounds fun

[drowsy magnet]

just make sure you always have stamina and health mead handy 😛 takes a while to get the hang of using the battleaxe

[paper marsh]

I'm able to hit them pretty well by targeting either the middle of them or one of their legs when they're on even ground

[solid knoll]

What is that valheim news thing happening today and where do we watch it?

[vocal rivet]

Pretty sure you have to attend the session at the conference

[solid knoll]

Hope we get a date today

[vocal rivet]

Why would we?

[solid knoll]

Maybe just me then

[vocal rivet]

Well, everyone would LIKE a date, but we've never got one (because of EA rules), today's talk is about the experience of developing a game in Early Access and not a showcase of the new update and we already have a patch in testing at the moment so Ashlands is still a little way off.

[pure blaze]

Does the weight of the ship's cargo affect the ship's physics the way it does for the cart? It seems it does, the ship feels heavier.

[merry pebble]

no it doesent

[half dragon]

well that's some next level bullshit in that crypt... 2 corpse piles in the same room and they kept spwaning exclusively archers. 2 of them 2 stars and a 1 star, those 3 spawned in a row.

parrying doesn't do shit if you get staggered from parrying 💀

[drowsy magnet]

not me, I prefer staying single. Lifes too hectic for dating 😉

[vocal rivet]

That's... not what I meant.

[frigid gust]

Yeah... I've had to abandon crypts in the past because of that kind of thing. You might want to mark it and come back once you have a root harnesk?

[half dragon]

oh right... is the stamina requirement for parrying affected by your armor?

or just the shield armor

[hasty swan]

no

it's 20 and isn't affected by anything

[frigid gust]

Parrying ability is affected by your health and your armor, not your stamina I believe.

[half dragon]

20? that's not what I'm seeing here... it seemed like I lost way more than that

[hasty swan]

parrying efficiency is one thing, parrying stamina cost is another

even if you parry perfectly and lose 0 health, it's still 20 stamina 🙂

[half dragon]

stamina cost would include effeciency if that's a thing

[hasty swan]

sadly it does not

[frigid gust]

Parrying costs a static 20 stamina, period. Might be good to quick read through this: https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Blocking_(Skill)

[hasty swan]

yup that's where I found it. matches my experience, too

[half dragon]

didn't match what I was experiencing. every single shot from that archer staggered me, never the 0 star one though

[frigid gust]

So what happens is that the starred archer does a bunch more damage and it can break through your defenses, and do enough damage that you get staggered between it's damage and the damage of the other archers.

[hasty swan]

parrying is not a guarantee against getting staggered

[frigid gust]

That said, the information on the wiki is very reliable, it is often obtained from data mining or developer input.

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Stagger

"Players also receive extra staggering when blocking based on how much physical or lightning damage got through the block."

So, basically it's because the starred ones do so much more damage. A root harnesk will make them much less dangerous, go kill some abominations and return with a vengeance 😉

[half dragon]

trying, but a random ooze came out of nowhere and ended my honorable duel prematurely

today all kind of unlucky crap keeps happening lol

[devout jolt]

I hate oozes with passion

[frigid gust]

Doh! Yeah. The swamps really are tough at first, they'll really exploit any mistakes you make and compound them. Or even not mistakes.

[half dragon]

my only mistake was coming here

The game herd that, spawned 2 oozers to deal with before I can get back to fighting that abomation

[devout jolt]

have you ever had 3 wraiths chasing you

[exotic cradle]

I wish

[frigid gust]

Gimme dem chains...

[languid root]

gripes of wraith

[half dragon]

to me seems like it would be easier to just hunt for crypts to get chains than grinding ghosts lol

[exotic cradle]

trophies

[frigid gust]

Snagged one of those last night, too 😛

[exotic cradle]

[vocal rivet]

I can't get used to your name in yellow.

[exotic cradle]

I know, I kinda hate it

[latent wraith]

Congrats on the new flowers though!

[exotic cradle]

I asked for them to match the name more

[half dragon]

hmm... anybody know how precise the abomination spawning location is? is it possible to just wall it in and bully it with fire arrows from safety and not even able to escape?

[frigid gust]

It's possible, but if it can't get at you it will try to run. They are actually very prone to running because they're so big and it's hard for them to get through the tight spaces in the swamps. I can parry an Abomination's attack with a bronze buckler, good food and troll armor. You should be able to as well, and that's about the easiest way to kill them IMO.

[half dragon]

box it in, surround with walls...

I have 2 star iron buckler and those hits are still quite dangerous, not fully parrying them every time

[frigid gust]

I mean, you can. It just takes forever compared to other techniques. You can do almost anything you think of 😉

That seems like blocking then, parrying will stop all damage. Make sure you're eating good food... turnip stew, sausages?

The timing can be a bit tricky at times

[half dragon]

almost got staggered from a single hit kind of not fully parried

well whatever... I'll just stay away from it until I've returned back to base so I can fully upgrade everything

[frigid gust]

If you have turnip stew, sausages, black soup and an iron buckler you should be able to easily parry any abomination attack

[half dragon]

got that mask at least

[sonic star]

i landed in possibly the worst spot i have ever seen in a swamp with bronze gear

spawned 2 abominations between me and the portal LMAO

[half dragon]

The game doesn't want you to leave

[grave wagon]

Seems like a lot of work and the abomination will be close enough to you to disrupt whatever you're building, no? There are definitely more efficient methods of taking them down quickly.

[half dragon]

have to build it only once and kill it before building it

[grave wagon]

Ah, I gotcha

[half dragon]

pretty sure combination of raising a wall and mining from inside the "box" would be doable

but uh... at this point new plan is to just return with a battle axe

see what it likes

[grave wagon]

I just drop the fires under them.

[half dragon]

also planning to upgrade my food supply... think I'll just go with deer, sausages and honey

not much worse than the best the biome allows to make but far less effort

[frigid gust]

That's why I always build my portals on top of trees or sunken crypts in the swamps 😛

[half dragon]

so far been living on deer, mushroom and raspberries because been to lazy to upgrade lol

[frigid gust]

Oh man... no wonder you're having issues with the swamps. Food is critical to success in valheim... you can't starve. Food is how you get effective health and stamina, and everything else depends on those.

Go make a cauldron and upgrade it with a spice rack 😉 It will make everything so much easier. I would rather have armor and weapons from two biomes back with current food than have food from two biomes back and current weapons and armor.

[grave wagon]

I'd do the same. Stamina in the swamps is an absolute must for me.

[paper marsh]

That moment when a Vikings is running around with mistlands gear and 25 hp and 50 stamina 🤣

[lunar ridge]

a bit late, but poison resist doesn't stack, any 1 source of poison resist achieves the effect and adding another doesn't do anything extra

[frigid gust]

Not only that, but the poison resist mead is more effective than the root mask, it reduces poison further.

[uncut bough]

i mean that he should use the poison mead when fight boss because the armor alone doesn't suffice

[lunar ridge]

I found it perfectly manageable with just the helmet myself

root helm, iron armor/legs, iron mace and a shield

[oblique magnet]

Hey everyone I am new here was looking for some guidance make my journey little more enjoyable an help explain this to me please

[lunar ridge]

Welcome, thanks for waking me up with your name

[oblique magnet]

I think your welcome im Aubrey nice meet everyone 😊

[lunar ridge]

Yeah even though the mask is slightly less effective than the meads, honestly It's happened more than a couple times where I forget about the timer and get clapped for no reason lol

So I just make it a habbit to wear the mask 24/7 in swamp

[grave wagon]

Does it just default to whichever one is higher or does it calculate based off which was used first (the mask vs the mead)?

[oblique magnet]

I'm not sure how to craft clothing how do I do that seems everything I fond unlock something but the ability to make new gear

[lunar ridge]

Believe it defaults to most effective

[grave wagon]

I had the most fun playing when the game when it first came out and I knew absolutely nothing, with no guides available anywhere on the internet.

[lunar ridge]

absolutely, 100% this. So much of the magic is lost when you start day 1 with knowledge and a guide

[frigid gust]

Everything is unlocked by building new crafting stations and upgrades, or by collecting new materials. You can build better armor by upgrading your workbench, likely with a tanning rack or a chopping block, and eventually as you get more materials you can upgrade those things at the same stations.

[grave wagon]

If you're struggling with something very specific I'd ask for help, otherwise enjoy the journey

[half dragon]

so... I was chopping a tree near a beehive. It fell on another tree and that other free got cut down due to the impact. At this point I thought...
"nice, at least it didn't land on that beehive"

Then the 2nd tree that got cut down suddenly did a 90 degree turn mid swing downwards, to suddenly swing sideways and hit the side of the beehive full force.
How... just how can somebody be this unlucky?

[latent wraith]

Listen to the bird, pick up everything, pay attention and don't rush.

[lunar ridge]

if it breaks you still get the bee/honey and can make your own at home

Or did you mean one you've already made lol

[half dragon]

yea already made it, doesn't matter too much. But a lot of unlucky shit been happening to me today

that one was just absolutely ridiculous

[lunar ridge]

As the addage goes; Lady Luck taketh, Lady Luck giveth

I'm currently in her good graces but her fancy is fickle and so I wait

[oblique magnet]

Ty

[frigid gust]

Also make sure you note that you can repair and upgrade items, you don't have to throw things away when they break. Repairs are also free, which offsets the higher upfront initial cost 😉

[ember panther]

Rest bonus is huge btw. You can sit next to a fire or make a comfy shelter

[lunar ridge]

I wish to repair my arrow stack to max :^)

[frigid gust]

Wood arrows are so cheap 😛 Just get to chopping, and replanting

[lunar ridge]

But..... but...... chopping the trees near my base ruins the aesthetic!

[toxic rose]

Chop not near the base

[oblique magnet]

I learned how to do the upgrade without throwing items away how do I locate a traider merchant holdar

[lunar ridge]

Well now you're just being unreasonable! Lol

[frigid gust]

Portals allow wood through 😛 Also, replant near your base and have a nice cultivated forest

[frigid gust]

Merchant is going to just be exploring. He'll show up on your map when you're close-ish, you just need to travel. Sometimes you find him nearby, sometimes he's much further out. On my current map I found him very close to the altar for the 6th boss.

[lunar ridge]

I am known to be a purveyor of birch tree thickets

[frigid gust]

Natural fences, enemies won't destroy them 😛

[lunar ridge]

Trolls still break them yeah?

I've never given them the opportunity to try it but I'd imagine they do

[frigid gust]

Not intentionally, they'll walk around them to try to get to you. They only break them incidentally if they're attacking something nearby.

[uncut bough]

just fished out a Pufferfish, got sap

what the hell is sap doing , can i eat it?

ah yes the ocean now started thunderstorming

[frigid gust]

All fish have a chance of having biome-specific materials. And yes... eventually 😉 It's a Mistlands level resource.

[lunar ridge]

mmmmm, sap. the canadian in me is dancing for joy.

[uncut bough]

WOOOO caught a pufferfish midair

it looks like it gonan take the bait but nope it jumped over my head, but me spamming E makes easy work of it

it is a quality 2 one even

[halcyon blade]

I had one that jumped in my boat once (didn't notice it at first) and I could not figure out what was poisoning me. I had just been by a swamp and thought a leech was somehow clipping through and hitting me, only to notice the pufferfish just sitting there a bit later.

[uncut bough]

pufferfish works in a strange way

last time i found it stranded on the giant Sea Tutel as well

[frigid gust]

They're great to drop in Dvergr homes 😛

[uncut bough]

Pitabred teaching how to be villian:

[frigid matrix]

Yall think Ashlands will be out by June?

[vocal rivet]

Of course.

[grizzled wing]

First half of 2024 so probably

[merry pebble]

i would believe it will 😄

[latent wraith]

Cutting down trees (in troll armour with meadows level food) right next to a mountain where you know there's a wolf is scary. :p

[toxic rose]

Delicious food makes noise and waits to be eaten.

[latent wraith]

He already ate me once. I can't properly see the approach from the mountain (I know where he is) because trees are blocking the line of sight. I have to cut down trees to be able to shoot the wolf that wants to eat me because I am cutting down trees...

[lyric olive]

I only use the seed generator when I'm grinding a specific thing like a cave

Spending all day finding caves is not exactly peak fun in a game

[latent wraith]

Now he cheated! I used a deer as shield, he ignored the shield and went for me. That's not how aggro is supposed to work!

[lyric olive]

Pretty sure mountain wolves purposefully try to go behind you and attack, its very annoying

[latent wraith]

He was running after me so he was definitely behind me. :p

But there was (briefly) a deer between us that should have distracted him.

I guess it moved too fast so he didn't have time to be distracted.

[frigid gust]

Refined eitr as well 😛

[grave wagon]

My current setup is next to a mountain, but I have my own wolves just roaming about so I get confused from time to time about which one wants to eat me and which one wants to just stare at me being eaten when I'm chopping those trees 😄

[lyric olive]

I don't think aggro works like that, pretty sure it will only get distracted if the enemy is directly in their path or if they are attacked

[latent wraith]

Enemies attack the closest target (and the deer was directly in its path). It just moved out of its path too fast

[lyric olive]

Some enemies seem more easily to change aggro on than others. Like skeletons will lose aggro to just about anything immediately, but something like a troll won't

[lyric olive]

It probably wasn't in sight long enough to be registered maybe, sounds weird

[latent wraith]

Yeah it went quick so it didn't have time to switch target before I was the preferred target again.

[lyric olive]

I think enemies have priorities in which kind of targets they will attack

[paper marsh]

Seems to me they’ll just chase what they’re chasing but if they get close to another target they might switch. Not a guarantee just a likelihood

[frigid gust]

Dodge roll! Oh wait, it's attacking again before you get up to run away and... time to recover the grave 😛

[paper marsh]

Also I got my first lvl 100 skill yesterday, I am happy

Dodge rolling out of wolf attacks is fine. Just don’t run out of stamina

[latent wraith]

I brought a gaggle of greydwarves as living shields when I went to get my stuff from the grave. :p

Including a starred one.

[frigid gust]

Don't get too attached 😛 Congrats on not dying for so long, but it's unlikely to stay that level for long.

(I think I just hit 80-something on my run skill, I feel another death looming...)

[paper marsh]

I dunno I’m taking every precaution I can not to die

Currently dabbling a bit in mistlands, haven’t died since very very beginning of swamp

If I die and get it reset to zero tho it sure will be an oof

[frigid gust]

Oohhh... hardcore? No wonder. Good luck!

[paper marsh]

Thanks 😄😟

Triple health food is a nice carry

[latent wraith]

Killed the wolf and went back to cutting trees. Now two wolves came...

I'm postponing this road project, I think. :p

Or, to paraphrase poor Ulf when he found out the plains weren't as peaceful as he had thought: I'm building a boat.

[frigid gust]

So you're going to dig a pit and tame the wolves early?

[latent wraith]

Oh I have wolves, but they're no protection against wild wolves.

I guess I should get some lox, but I can't properly move them until I've defeated Moder... :p

[grave wagon]

Then the wolves will just fly at you when you're sailing by the mountains

[latent wraith]

Right, so not an airship then.

[paper marsh]

or get a harpoon?

Also I'm just starting to play around with lox saddles. Can you take them on and off a lox or are they stuck on it? And does it drop when they die?

[frigid gust]

You can take them off for sure, but I'm not confident on what happens when they die. I would assume that it would drop, though.

[latent wraith]

Shift-e to remove them iirc.

Don't remember what happens if they die, don't think I've had a saddled one die and if I have it's years ago. :p

[frigid gust]

It tells you in a tooltip how to do all the things you need

[paper marsh]

I'm excited to play around with Lox. I really need some defense against constant fuling raids (and other raids) and I feel like a lox herd could be nice

A lot of them will probably die but hey saves me a butchers knife

[frigid gust]

Lox being weak to piercing and fire, dealing slashing and blunt damage... looks at damage types done by Fulings and seekers...

[latent wraith]

I'm really miffed about having to postpone my road project. :p
I was building a road so I could cart home materials to build a house (probably building a small cabin in the logging area before building a house). Now plans are changing and I'm no closer to having a house. :p

[frigid gust]

The only way I've found to reasonably raise lox is to breed them and then bounce until they mature. They tend to die super quickly as babies.

[latent wraith]

Lox are great as defence against funling raids. I've watched happily as 4 lox took care of one (and watched in sadness as two of the lox died in the process).

[frigid gust]

Exactly. They're great for doing it, but you need a lot of lox, and they take forever to breed and mature

[paper marsh]

Yea I imagine I'll lose more Lox bc it's Very Hard, but might get a bit more blackmetal out of it too

As both the fulings and Lox will die quicker

I just hope they'll take care of business not right next to my stone wall, so I won't have to repair it constantly

[frigid gust]

Can you hope for me to win the lotter while you're at it? 😛

[paper marsh]

😭

I mean logically... the area around my wall is spawn protected so fulings wont spawn right next to the wall. They will come from the horizon and the lox will go meet them halfway

At least, they would if Lox had more awareness than that of a rock

[uncut bough]

I wish that fish have more used recipes, it will make fishing much more worthwhile

I dont fish that often and i still got over 80 raw fish, and now i am stuck with ti

[fair cairn]

i think you need raw fish later in the game, not sure when though

[paper marsh]

Yea there's only a couple good uses for fish. A lot of people have been wanting fishing to be built on

[paper marsh]

What biome are you currently progressing in?

In Plains there's a pretty good fish recipe, and in Mistlands there's an okay fish recipe too but the mistlands one sadly requires a specific mistlands fish

[amber flicker]

damn, not possible to put crystal on item stand, rip treasure room

[paper marsh]

Could always just drop it out of your inventory in a nice spot

[uncut bough]

Serpent stew and lox meat pie spam

[amber flicker]

The glittering loot thingie ruins it a bit for me

[paper marsh]

why not fish wrap spam as well?

[pure plume]

Why spear is so bad? Lowest reach and small hitpoint. And draining stamina like crazy.

[paper marsh]

Spear isn't bad, it's my main weapon

It has a ranged throw which is pretty good (although bow outclasses it in most scenarios bc bow broken af), it attacks fast, it levels faster than any other melee weapons, usually has really cheap recipes, and decent damage.

The downsides of spear is it's short reach, pierce damage which is often resisted, and lack of a 3 hit combo. Which is what kills it for a lot of people. But I think the attack speed and levelling of it compensates pretty well

[pure plume]

Aiming is a lot off with it especially throwing. There's a single point in aiming angle that changes totally where and how far it flies

Below that point it drops under player fleet and above that point it flies away

No middle ground. Plus downhill and uphill it's the worst weapon

[frigid gust]

Try a golem trophy?

[paper marsh]

hmm I dunno the throw with the spear seems consistent to me every time. It's very hard to throw long range but it follows the same trajectory so you just gotta learn it

Short range it does great. And also I'd say it's the best melee weapon for uphill/downhill because all melee weapons struggle with fights like that but spear can adjust to any angle of attack with the throw

Bows are inconsistent to start with tho. Those will have arrows flying off in random directions until you get a huntsman bow or better

[pure plume]

Bow accuracy seems getting better with higher skill that is at least my experience. Don't have huntsman bow yet. As for spear downhill for me it never hits enemy that is below me so no "I have the high ground" momentu for me. It seem like the attack is always to the same spot bo matter how I move the camera

Just same spot in front of character

[paper marsh]

Skill makes bow do more damage, drain less stamina, and draws the bow faster. Bow skill is actually really broken

But accuracy comes from getting a better bow. The crude bow has really bad accuracy, Finewood is pretty good, and any bow above that have perfect accuracy

[paper marsh]

Spears aren’t the easiest to use, a lot of people don’t like them. But they’re definitely pretty powerful

I will say they’re super hard to throw if you’re standing on like a wall and there’s an enemy directly below your feet

But on a hill or something it’s not as bad

[frigid gust]

It's tough regardless the weapon if something is right at your feet

Except for a sledge 😛 Or maybe the fire staff, ooze bomb, something like that

[paper marsh]

I hate how expensive black metal shield is

[amber flicker]

Ah, thats cool ye

[frigid gust]

The chains? Everything else is pretty abundant in my experience

[paper marsh]

Yea the chains

[uncut bough]

because it is a single target weapon, so fighting swarm is not recommended, and it has a dogwater spear throw as its 2nd attack

people making it for either the pierce damage or they haven't figured out that spear is just soo bad generally

but first point is moot anyways because atgeir exist and it is far more useful

[frigid gust]

Frostner makes Wraiths much easier, just hang out on top of a crypt in the Swamps at night, ping them with an arrow to get 'em 😛

[paper marsh]

I feel like wraiths won’t be much of an issue in plains gear and food

Also can’t use arrows 😔

I gotta throw a spear or bang on a tree whenever I want someone’s attention

[ember panther]

Will you allow yourself to use the crossbow?

[exotic cradle]

crossbow ||sucks||

[uncut bough]

ooh there are crossbow?

[paper marsh]

I think so. I haven’t used it much in the past so I think I should try it out. And it’s not broken like bow

[pure atlas]

Drakes should drop feathers as well

[paper marsh]

I do really really need a weapon for long range sneak attacks, which crossbow excels in. Even if it’s not as sneaky as huntsman bow

[paper marsh]

Does not compute

[frigid gust]

In the Mistlands, yes

[merry pebble]

in mistlands there is a crosbow yes

[frigid gust]

Crossbow is a sniper to the bow's assault rifle usage. Hits hard, but slow on followups.

[exotic cradle]

Still sucks ^-^

[frigid gust]

Just gotta git gud 😛 I love it

[ember panther]

I love it. It's deadly accurate and one shots most things that are unsuspecting

[paper marsh]

Nah it’s good for sneak attacks and general use. It’s just not OP like bow

Without bow I imagine a lot of people would use crossbow

[uncut bough]

ranged weapons are always good

[paper marsh]

Weren’t you just dissing spear?

[uncut bough]

yea, because it isnt ranged

[merry pebble]

well it is...

[paper marsh]

It very much is. It’s the only weapon I’ve used against drakes

[ember panther]

I'd need at least 2 spears 😅

[paper marsh]

I usually run around with 2 spears

[uncut bough]

it tried to do both but for that it fell SO flat in both their function, it doesn't feel like either a good ranged melee weapon

[ember panther]

I couldn't hit anything with it either

[uncut bough]

i only use spears to kill birds for feathers, and with the advent of harpoon i just use that instead

in conclusion: Spear sucks, should be prioritized the last, so if there are surplus of mats

otherwise just use atgeir for pierce damage

[paper marsh]

Spears are just balanced imo. Not too strong not too bad. People just tend to gloss over its positives and overly emphasize the negatives

Now bow, that needs hella nerf

[azure yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[uncut bough]

you say that but other weapons are just straight upsides with little to no downsides

[uncut bough]

you want the bow to drop by 10 meters after fired from the weapon or sth

[regal spoke]

Spear is the speedrunner weapon of choice. One of the weapons that carries into endgame

[paper marsh]

I’d be fine with just halfing gains from bow skill

Bows are fine it’s the bow skill that breaks them

[uncut bough]

incomprehensible, i am calling the bow mafia

[azure yacht]

In what way?

[paper marsh]

Gives them insane dps and allows them to be fired at a moments notice

Ofc they’d still be able to cheese, but I don’t see that getting changed

[ember panther]

At around what level do they get "broken"? At around 50 it's just starting to feel good

[azure yacht]

I assume you mean in high levels...

But isn't that expected? You use something a lot so you get experienced by using it, making you better.

Melee weapons require less skills and as long as you handle them decently well you can start killing

But bows are harder to use on the short term and it's only after a long period of using them that you actually see the benefits.

The main weakness is having to reach those high levels in the first place

Bows are basically "you are rewarded with patience by using them so much"

On the other hand, the arbalest deals massive dmg on the first uses, very short term high dmg output.

That's just how they work in real life

[frigid gust]

I think it's more that the benefits of the bow skill are outsized compared to the benefits of the other weapon skills. Stamina use, damage and speed all increased where all other weapons only really have two "attributes" increased. Honestly, I don't think bows need a damage bonus for the skill, the stamina reduction and draw speed improvements increase DPS significantly already.

[azure yacht]

Arrows should be the majority or all the dmg output from bows.

While bows only affect stamina consumed and distance, maybe imbue the arrows with elements like draugr fang

Maybe aim as well

[paper marsh]

Bows feel alright to me at low bow skill. They seem balanced.

Having ranged damage is very powerful as you’re not putting yourself in a lot of danger, and the damage with a bow at range isn’t that far off of using a melee weapon

And then when bow skill picks up it just becomes an unstoppable menace. And you’re not even penalized for getting in a bad situation with bow bc it fired quickly and barely slows you down bc you can jump and quick fire in melee too

Plus bow skill is super fast to get

[frigid gust]

Like I said, I think taking the damage bonus down would balance the skill gain a lot. You still deserve to get benefit from leveling up a skill, but making it so brokenly damaging AND faster is a problem, especially since all other weapons have fixed attack speeds

[regal spoke]

Does Axe get an attack speed increase through skill? Sure could use it

[paper marsh]

No. All melee weapons just get damage and less stamina usage

[regal spoke]

Rip

[paper marsh]

I feel like the firing speed on bow is a bit too fast with high skill, I’d like to see that reduced a bit too

[regal spoke]

I'd rock axe into endgame if rof was adequate

[exotic cradle]

Pita stealing ideas from here to put in suggestions

||jk||

[regal spoke]

Heh. I refuse to do suggestions.

[exotic cradle]

But but I put one earlier!

[regal spoke]

I'm not against it. I just won't since IG surely have a thousand great suggestions already

[ember panther]

I feel like high levels are a bit of a luxury, I never had a skill get to 90 cause I inevitably die to something

[onyx tulip]

Exactly this. Flint spear til Frostner, use an upgraded club for skellies, blobs, bonemass. People sleeping on spears baffles me.

[regal spoke]

Upvoted that suggestion

[frail roost]

I feel like the suggestions are really more useful for modders to design mods around anyway.

Helps modders see what people want

[regal spoke]

I run spear til end. Flint, Ancient, ||Carapace||

[exotic cradle]

Troll carpet, cats, bears.

[paper marsh]

What about fang

[azure yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[frail roost]

Yes to all of that

Modders halp pls

[exotic cradle]

boo, mods

(not the red mods no ❤️ )

[frail roost]

It ain't gonna happen without it

[exotic cradle]

I was just giving you a summary of daily suggestions that people think are unique

[regal spoke]

I skip every other upgrade. Brass and Fang

[frail roost]

Everything under the sun has been suggested at this point, and I doubt IG has the time to check suggestions every day let alone frequently. Hence, the suggestions section is better served as a template for new mod ideas

[timber sky]

hi.

oh i said it today, nvm imma be back tmrw.

[latent wraith]

Well, we do know they read all the suggestions (and it's not as if reading ~30 posts per day is a lot of time spent).

[exotic cradle]

They do, Smiffe sees everything

[timber sky]

lovely, 2 weeks on vacation from valheim, cuz i lost everything im the ocean

[latent wraith]

...sailing back to get it took 2 weeks? :p

[timber sky]

feeling good feeling fresh, still dont want to comeback🔥

[latent wraith]

That's some bad luck with the wind.

[frigid gust]

Your gravestone floats, as does everything in the cargo hold. It never disappears.

[frail roost]

He could skip a day or two and it wouldnt matter, everything has already been suggested that could be suggested

[timber sky]

i just need a big strong man that could toss me into da ocean so i could get my stuff

sadly im just alone, me vs everyone, need to build raft again, bow etc..

[exotic cradle]

I mean, we've all done that

[frail roost]

Just use Dev commands to fly over there

[timber sky]

oh

and u are saying this to me just now

[frigid gust]

The one thing this game has definitely ingrained in me is having back ups for my back ups for my back ups. And any time spent preparing is not wasted.

[timber sky]

when i first time lost everything, at that moment when i found swamp, i was sooo done

[frail roost]

If the tediousness of the game is preventing you from enjoying the other fun parts of the game (especially when it comes to corpse runs) just use Dev commands to get your body

[regal spoke]

Had a server mate go down at sea. Went looking for the gear. Never found it. Gravestone doesn't dissappear right?

[timber sky]

its just long distance, just for nothing..

[frail roost]

Then change the settings in game modes so you don't drop everything on death and it will be a smoother experience

[frigid gust]

They don't normally. Could be a desync of some kind in multiplayer though

[regal spoke]

Thought the same. I'll keep my eye out. Thanks

[timber sky]

but its like cheating, aint vibe

[frail roost]

Who are you cheating?

[frigid gust]

I once had a server crash where our boat disappeared and we were stuck in the middle of the ocean without it when it was restarted. Once we got through all that it ended up being long ways back in the direction we had been sailing, at the last place where the server had completed a save.

[frail roost]

It's your save you can do whatever you want. The only people who enjoy naked death runs are people who have many hours in the day to waste on it

[latent wraith]

the only person you can cheat in a non-competitive single player game is yourself.

[frail roost]

And if a naked death run is literally preventing you from even logging in to play the game, then it's time to evaluate whats more important to you, playing the game or not playing it at all due to tediousness

[timber sky]

yeah alr

imma just fly to get my stuff

gotta have -console in steam launch options ye?

[frail roost]

Every single survival game that has been released since Valheim has some sort of 'you keep your equipment when you die' vs Valheim's Naked Death run

Cuz naked death runs are not a fun mechanic for most players

[onyx tulip]

There's always a solution in this game other than cheats, mods, or dev commands. Accept the challenge and conquer it. Not all are worthy of Valhalla!

To each their own, of course. Play as you see fit, justify what you want.

[timber sky]

if u kill that ocean monster (forgot his name), he will die forever?

[halcyon blade]

Serpents respawn. Leviathans will not resurface if you've caused them to submerge.

[timber sky]

serpents.. yes, god damn it

they spawn at night only?

[onyx tulip]

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Serpent

[timber sky]

alr

[onyx tulip]

You got this. GL!

You're a sitting duck using a raft, though. Avoid the open ocean, especially during storms/night, until you get a karve. Solo players have to adapt differently than multiplayer.

[frail roost]

This is just gatekeeping typical of the hardcore types on this discord.

[exotic cradle]

Why are you playing a survival game?

[frail roost]

So my desire to not naked corpse run means I can't play survival games at all huh

[onyx tulip]

Bro I'm giving helpful advice. Sorry I won't conform to your low standard approach. GL.

[jagged marsh]

I have done almost all the progression solo

I didn’t know there was a difference between the serpent and leviathan haha that’s one I haven’t killed yet

[frail roost]

I've seen countless people quit cuz of the naked corpse run. Better to deal with that pain point that stop playing entirely

[ember panther]

I'd suggest just toning down the death penalty a tad so you at least keep what you had equipped

[frail roost]

You an do that with game modifiers

[exotic cradle]

For every person that quit because of a naked corpse run there are hundreds more that did it and moved on.

[frail roost]

So it's super easy to play at a pace that's reasonable for you

[latent wraith]

Yah, difficulty settings are a thing. If you find the game frustrating, just make it easier.

[jagged marsh]

I took away the death penalty but not for naked corpse runs, I did it cause I suck at the game and die a lot haha I kept losing skill points

[halcyon blade]

Death runs for me personally are a hit or miss. Sometimes it's a normal and manageable situation to recover from, other times it can feel practically impossible to recover from, or at least be significantly more challenging.

[frigid gust]

Some people are insane and play on hard mode, extra enemy damage, no portals, etc. I personally play normal difficulty but resource rate up to 1.5x because I don't have the time for the grind. It's all up to you.

[frail roost]

Valheim had 5 months of consistent growth (the longest stretch in its history) following the release of game modes / Hildir. Being able to change your game to how you want to play is hugely popular with the player base.

[uncut bough]

ambatu solo moder

[ember panther]

The world modifications is one of the best changes they could have made. I played an easier version when mistlands was frustrating tf outta me, now making it more challenging for the early game

[uncut bough]

last time i defeated it with co-op, now i will try solo

[lunar ridge]

On one hand, having cleared a handful of runs before the world settings were implemented I feel like not having done so with the intended settings would have been less satisfying, on the other hand I would be lying if I said there weren't times I needed to get up and go for 2 smokes

[jagged marsh]

I started a month ago and had no idea there were settings like that haha after I killed Moder I decided to look at the settings and found them. I do agree but glad I can change the settings

[lunar ridge]

I like that they were so thorough with the setting variety and not just a blanket "easy" mode or blanket "hard" mode

[frail roost]

If someone playing for the first time puts down the game cuz of naked death runs, I'd argue it's better to change the way death works in the settings and retrieve your corpse via dev commands than just never play again.

After your first hairy death run it quickly becomes tedious. You aren't missing out on anything by changing it to keep your equipment, and you gain a considerable amount of time to actually play the game by doing so

[vocal rivet]

Why are you doing naked death runs?

[lunar ridge]

My first truly doomed death run was in a Sunken Crypt, having died to both a 2 star draugr elite spawn and a 1 star draugr archer in the same body pile room

[frail roost]

You know how it goes. You die then you wear your secondary and die again and now you're naked

[lunar ridge]

I contacted the BRS for that one lol

[vocal rivet]

Die again? Well, that's just careless.

[minor dirge]

Can we play the game with family share right know ? With new beta family share feature.

[frail roost]

God forbid you play with people who aren't good at games

[uncut bough]

moder is hell of a snoozefest

[vocal rivet]

That's why we have world modifiers.

[uncut bough]

it hits hard, it flies, it lands, and that is about it

[frail roost]

Yes that was precisely my point

[vocal rivet]

It was? I thought you were implying the game should change.

[lunar ridge]

And all that if you're lucky, there's been more than 1 playthrough of mine where Moder bugged out after landing and just stood there, menacingly, letting me smack her for free

Pretty underwhelming way to win lol

[frail roost]

No, I'm saying if you quit cuz of naked death runs just change the game in modifiers it's not a big deal. Some seem to think it's cheating or something

[regal spoke]

Cheating ones self of the challenge I'm sure

[frigid gust]

I think it's more that a lot of people treat this game like an action game due to the combat, and don't understand exactly how deeply dependent every stage of the game is on every previous one. Starting a new world in endgame gear might get you through the second boss, but then you won't be able to do anything because you can't repair your gear, your health and stamina will be depleted instantly using the high level gear, etc.. The whole point of Valheim is being prepared, not just running in and killing things. If you're not the kind of person who plays tactically, Valheim really isn't going to be super rewarding no matter what the settings are.

[vocal rivet]

If you're not enjoying the challenge, what's the point?

[nocturne wolf]

Suffering

[frail roost]

Tedium != Challenging

[vocal rivet]

Well, fortunately the game isn't tedious.

[frail roost]

Some elements are, but that's an agree to disagree thing

[lunar ridge]

Probably the same point of playing games like Dark Souls. It's easy to be frustrating during the challenge itself only to achieve a feeling of satisfaction when it's finally been met.

[regal spoke]

Exactly Derek. That perspective changes player to player.

[frail roost]

If you've got all the time in the world to corpse run, by all means, do you. I don't, so I won't. Plenty of people with families and only a certain amount of time to play in the day who can't be arsed to corpse run when they'd rather explore / fight / build instead

[vocal rivet]

Corpse running takes 10 minutes or so. Unless you're on a no portal run.

[frail roost]

Depends, on my first playthrough I died without dropping a portal and that sail suuuuucked.

[lunar ridge]

Yeah, if you're experienced and even brought a portal with you. Not if you're new, accidentally sailed to swamps 30 irl minutes away and died.

[vocal rivet]

How does someone do that??

[frail roost]

By being new at the game??

[jagged marsh]

Haha I did that with the elder, I had to sail pretty far away and died four times... made so many karves smh

[nocturne wolf]

Sliced by draugr, maybe?

[lunar ridge]

By being new. It happened to me when I first started playing, and even though I'm a vet now and know bettter that's not always the case.

This was also my first real "survival" game

[exotic cradle]

So if you're new, you die carelessly, first instinct is to cheat?

[lunar sapphire]

If you're short on time yes

[vocal rivet]

If you're new you have no business in the 3rd biome.

[lunar ridge]

That's an incredibly dense thing to say.

[vocal rivet]

But accurate.

[lunar ridge]

Not in the slightest.

[frail roost]

Typical of the hardcore types on here

Game modes and mods are cheating, newbies should never die without putting a portal down

[regal spoke]

People stumble onto swamps and plains rather easy. Not hard considering proximity to spawn.

[exotic cradle]

If you're short on time you logout and do it later 😛

[vocal rivet]

I'm hardly a hardcore player.

That's hilarious.

[frail roost]

Hardcore as in Valheim purists

[regal spoke]

I'm a filthy casual nomad and don't mind saying it.

[frail roost]

The "game must be played vanilla or it's cheating crowd"

[vocal rivet]

I've never said that.

I literally bought up world modifiers earlier.

[uncut bough]

i just found out a small patch of mountain directly left of my house, that somehow i have never noticed before

[lunar ridge]

I don't care so much about how you choose to play, what I mind is people saying the way others play it is somehow invalid.

[uncut bough]

the dream of getting wolf 2 star near base is real again, no need for boat transportation

[lunar sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/aggressive-play-guitar-string-instruments-gif-15184595

all of you's rn

[regal spoke]

I've not seen anyone dog on someone for their playstyle. I believe the rules mostly blanket protect that

[exotic cradle]

We're all Larsi?

[vocal rivet]

I've never seen it either.

[lunar ridge]

Mistakes happen, sometimes people are just bad, sometimes people don't think things through and catestrophic failure happens. Yes, I'm in the camp that will say "okay hold my beer" and unfuck my situation, but not everyone has the gumption, time, or combination of the two to go about it.

So if you feel the need to dev command your way out of it, or you just want to change world settings, it's not my playthrough so what do I care

[jagged marsh]

I am curious how many turn off raids?

[vocal rivet]

Absolutely.

[frail roost]

Bingo

[lunar ridge]

I often turn raids on max, it's one of my favorite parts of the game tbh.

[jagged marsh]

Oh okay cool 🙂

[nocturne wolf]

I like the free item delivery

[uncut bough]

the game is driving me crazy, i used mossy bait, pike bit the bait, so i switched to normal bait, the troll fish bit this bait, so i switched to mossy, and now another pike bit the bait

[jagged marsh]

Haha that's a good way to put it

[lunar ridge]

Until I have a full chest of trollhide and nothing to use it on, iron gate pls....

[onyx tulip]

This all started with you telling someone to use dev commands, not sliders. Gaslighting is lame.

[jagged marsh]

I personally turned them off, I am in my base a lot thinking of what to do next and I was getting raided too often lol

[frail roost]

Dev commands to retrieve your body so you can actually replay the game isn't cheating either.

[nocturne wolf]

obliterate it

[frigid gust]

12 trolls gave their lives for this one piece of coal...

[lunar ridge]

valid, sometimes you work your ass off to build a really nice base and that is your happy place

[frail roost]

I didn't say spawn in a million iron or some bs. If you literally aren't playing cuz of a death that will take hours to retrieve, just get your body and keep playing.

[lunar sapphire]

I can do 3 coal

best I can do

[halcyon blade]

It is objectively cheating, which is fine if you're okay with using cheats. Just don't call it something it clearly isn't.

[jagged marsh]

Exactly lol I am gonna look for a server to play with others and this time I will build a base that can handle raids haha I made soooo many mistakes, that's why I turned it off

[frail roost]

Cheating who? Yourself? If you aren't playing the game at all aren't you cheating yourself out of the entire experience?

[frigid gust]

I have $3 /Patrick

[lunar ridge]

"the god of moats and hoed walls would like to have a word with you"

[nocturne wolf]

Doing corpse runs is part of the entire experience.

[lunar ridge]

"wait, what's that sound and why is everything on fire?"

[frigid gust]

I think it's more that people are offended that the first resort you suggest is to use the console and go around the game mechanics instead of at least suggesting using the built-in settings and such.

[exotic cradle]

Yes, you're kinda learning not to improve I guess.

[vocal rivet]

It IS categorically cheating. It's also OK.

[frail roost]

He said he hasn't played in two weeks and every time he logged in to try again he immediately logged out cuz of it.

At that point, Dev commands makes sense

[lunar sapphire]

What is cheating?

[strange arrow]

my poor bleeding purist eyes

[vocal rivet]

Dev commands.

[lunar ridge]

Cheating in a single player game is something you consent to and accept on your own, for your own, and for nobody else. it effects nobody who hasn't agreed to it, so fundamentally it's fine.

[lunar sapphire]

I know what cheating is lmao, I meant it as a philosophical question

[lunar ridge]

That's my personal stance on it

[strange arrow]

2 cheat or not 2 cheat....

[frail roost]

The two week thing had a big reason as to why I suggested dev commands, as he's clearly considered going for it but it turned him off from playing.

[lunar sapphire]

@nocturne wolf you removed your comment the moment I replied

so in turn I wasn't able to send it

[lunar ridge]

Now, if you go and dev command in multiplayer without everyone being on the same proverbial longboat, that's when I start glaring at you with disdain. But I think everyone present would agree that is a certified dick move.

[strange arrow]

indeed

bro sporting frostner in bf crypts? 😒

[lunar ridge]

heh

[exotic cradle]

Multiplayer is the reason why I think overusing cheats might be a problem in the long run, if you get no "punishment" from dying it might cause you issues when you play with friends later on ^^

[lunar ridge]

"whats that weapon?" "Oh I got it as a one-time-only drop from Eikthyr don't worry about it"

[uncut bough]

hence it is only justifiable in a vaccuum

man i swear ocean only has 2 states: clear sky, or rain af

[frail roost]

Which is precisely the position the dude was in. Solo playthrough, bad death, won't play cuz bad death. It was clearly a time vs reward issue

[lunar ridge]

That's typically when I recommend the BRS folks. Absolute madlads.

Thankfully I only had to enlist the help of my fellow vikings once

And it was certainly a learning experience all across the board lol

[frail roost]

But isn't that "cheating" technically too? You've invited people in with max tier armor / items to help you retrieve your stuff on your solo playthrough. In the end one takes time to get help and the other takes seconds

[lunar ridge]

They don't always go in with max gear, they will ask if you're okay with it and if you aren't they will rescue you with biome-tier equipment as well

And I would say no playthrough is a "solo playthrough" since you can turn it into a server at will

[uncut bough]

wait so serpent only spawn in stormy weather right? not like rain only right

[lunar ridge]

That's only a personal preference

[halcyon blade]

It's solo until it isn't.

[nocturne wolf]

Rain or night

Serpents spawned by night despawn at day
Serpents spawned by rain never despawn and can be found at day in clear weather.
Rain can spawn serpents at night, so some serpents you find at night might not be able to despawn.

[frail roost]

My point is, you got help outside of your capability. Whether it is dev commands or BRS the result is the same

[lunar ridge]

Result is the same, method is different, and more important than the method is maintaining the feel and intention of the gameplay

[frail roost]

Which is also a matter of perspective.

[lunar ridge]

I'd much rather have a few burly viking lads join me in my longboat on a quest to unfuck myself in the heart of a fuling village than debugmode flying to my corpse lol

[exotic cradle]

You can also learn from the players, see how they do it, how they get around to it, etc. Might help you next time so you won't need them ^^

[jagged marsh]

All preference but I have to agree haha I came close once to using a dev command in the mistlands but I thought... No way, I made it this far without doing that lol

[lunar ridge]

Yeah they explained a lot of really helpful tips and tricks through the process, couldn't recommend them any more than I do

[strange arrow]

or you can spend 3 weeks trying to get yr body back from a draugr village surrounded by plains 3 days boat ride away xD

every time i got close i got sniped by a 2 star archer before i could even see it

[lunar ridge]

And I strive to always achieve that level of professionalism and helpfulness whenever I find a distressed viking who is in the same situation I was once. It fosters an immaculate feel of community

[frail roost]

At the same time, you lost out on a chance to discover some of those things yourself because of their advice

[strange arrow]

eventually i beat them all naked with just a bow

[jagged marsh]

I joined to help if I can, especially since I have done everything solo except the Queen fight and I realized it is nice to chat with others about this game haha

[lunar ridge]

I know myself well enough to know I'm not smart enough to come up with some of the shit they showed me hahaha

"what if, portal on top of crypt?"

[vocal rivet]

Which also happens with dev commands.

[jagged marsh]

You and me both haha instead of frustrating the hell out of myself, I just looked it up on youtube so I could get back to progression after a boss fight lol or another terrible fight like in a fuling village

[frail roost]

If your body is in the middle of the ocean there's not much of a lesson to be learned

Especially since it can be hard to get your stuff from the bottom

[lunar ridge]

"note to self: No rafts in thunderstorms. This isn't Castaway"

[vocal rivet]

Your things don't sink...

[jagged marsh]

It floats, even the crates. The ship itself will sink cause all the objects are heavy except the wood but the rest you can retrieve

[strange arrow]

a crash before retrieval in mp almost certainly means it's all gone tho

[nocturne wolf]

Thats when you should use a backup

[vocal rivet]

That's a different case though.

[strange arrow]

dedi's don't have that luxury, usually

[vocal rivet]

All dedicated servers create backups by default.

[nocturne wolf]

A backup for the character, not the world

[frail roost]

I'd never suggest dev commands for multiplayer, ever. That's not classy

[lunar ridge]

Also I disagree, you can pretty much learn from any death in the game so long as it isn't a genuine bug

[strange arrow]

you don't lose yr character you lose the boat and everything on it

[frail roost]

And I also wouldn't recommend it unless you're in a situation like the dude where he won't play cuz it's an hour sail away to get stuff in the middle of the ocean

[lunar ridge]

Honestly dying in the middle of the ocean is one of the easiest retrievals

[frail roost]

Personally I play with keep equipment on death cuz I don't have time for it and I don't want to resort to a dev command on the rare occasion I die

[nocturne wolf]

You dont have to resort to a dev command though

[exotic cradle]

Ah, the circle continues.

[lunar ridge]

[frail roost]

It is what it is

[lunar ridge]

At this point we're rehashing points made thrice over so let's all agree to only be upsetti spaghetti if our own playthrough is getting pooped on

[grave wagon]

I don't get the big deal with the dev commands suggestion given the very specific scenario in which it was suggested. I'm not going to do that because I think the death run/planning is part of the experience. If it's not something you like, don't do it. People with limited time, for whatever reason, shouldn't be looked down upon for wanting features or doing things that help them enjoy experiences given their own limitations.

[lunar ridge]

noooooo

[frail roost]

There's no point in discussing it tbh

Just play what works for you, the end

[grave wagon]

That doesn't work for me. I'm never playing again.

[lunar ridge]

But that means the bees won't be happy.....

[frail roost]

Trust I find the gatekeeping a bit silly but it's just been going round and round and I'm done with it

[grave wagon]

I'm back in.

[lunar ridge]

Woo! Happy bees!