general

[tidal grotto]

yeah all these advice are valids, my only complains is, a game is there to be fun and challenging you and make you feel rewarded... I just feel like Mistland is the first biome in valheim that, it just not fun nor rewarding for very long stretches. Which is a shame because the music and ambiance is great. even the enemies are fun, but it<s really the mix of visibiliti+lack of stamina+being one shotkilled or ambush by enemies you didn<t see coming. that really makes it poorly designed or not tested enough.

but glad to hear many of you like it.

[frosty walrus]

It is supposed to be much harder than the previous biomes

[smoky scarab]

My second best tip to survive the mistlands is to wear the root harnesk, the pierce resist makes seekers and ticks much easier to deal with

[untold night]

Agreed. It's possible to be harder, and still fun. Mistlands does not do that.

[rapid linden]

I find swamps more annoying when it comes to movement.

Mistlands.. yeah.. but vision (or lack there of) is a much bigger threat.

[tidal grotto]

I think swamps annoys me a lot less, since you can outrun most enemies, compared to mistland + you know where to go, the amount of time I died, because I ran into a wall and lacked the stamina to just jump around is frustrating haha.

[tidal grotto]

that<s great advice! thanks!

[rapid linden]

Personally if i see an enemy in time, i will plan my escape (if i'm unable to fight) according to the terrain that surrounds me. In mistlands however you are more often than not gonna see the enemy until it's too late to plan an escape. That is where problems begin. Cause then i find myself panicking and that's where the stamina goes out.. And that will often end in death.

[untold night]

Being 'wet' is arguably the worst debuff in the game. However, being forced to exhaust your stamina for navigation only to encounter Seekers, Ticks, or a Gjall in Mistlands really sucks.

[rapid linden]

Even without being in imminent danger, just traversing around Mistlands is a game of managing stamina. I can see how that can become annoying for some.

[jagged grove]

It mentioned anywhere when that swamp hut update will be added?

[smoky scarab]

If I had a complaint about the mistlands it is not the terrain, visibility or enemy, it is how long it takes sometimes before you get the right amount of black cores and then all the gear is unlocked at the same time. But before that other than new food you do not get any stronger for a while

[rapid linden]

Then there's ashlands.. and dying to lava projectiles mid-jump over lava.

[lean fable]

second to last blog post said that it would "be with us during the fall", no idea how reliable that is

[soft estuary]

Uhh, perhaps the heavy gear but the light armor and the weapons that require refined eitr still take a bit after. Maybe it's the way we play things differently but I always end up getting the workbenches before I refine any substantial amount of eitr.

[smoky scarab]

You can use the same 5 cores to do everything, so as soon as you get 5 you unlocked everything

[untold night]

'The fall'? The fall of what? Political collapse? A civil catastrophe? Some kind of accelerated entropic effect?

[marsh sentinel]

You know full well that means Autumn in colonialism.

[soft estuary]

Just realised you said "unlocked", you're right. But getting fully geared up with those new armor and weapons takes a bit of time and exploring still.

[lean fable]

the fall of when i inevitably trip over the mess of cables my desk has become

(which i predict is gonna happen sometime from october through november)

[soft estuary]

The Fall Off by J Cole

[smoky scarab]

By the time I get 5 cores I usually found more than enough soft tissue and got enough carapace to craft everything I want, the rest of the items you need are easy to get or come from previous biomes

[scenic wing]

I think it would be neat if the mistalnd stations only needed 3 black cores each instead of 5. I had a similar experience, had a lot of materials but few stations to craft with. I know you can ‘cycle’ the stations on an as-needed basis, but Im not a fan of doing it that way.

I’m really curious what the board game update will bring 🤔

[scenic imp]

I'm about to start a new world. Can someone give me a pretty cool seed, without explaining why it is good. I want to go in blind.

[ionic mantle]

this is not a good seeed becuz i just made it up but its 78943573298445

[scenic imp]

The game is capable of creating random seeds by itself. Thanks for the effort though.

[ionic mantle]

np

[scenic wing]

This is one of the have in my personal reserves!

6Rm3FXrCc3

[scenic imp]

Thank you!

[rough lark]

yo anyone wanna play?? im pretty new at the game and could use some assistance

[rose kiln]

anyone want to play on our server ?

[modest moth]

TIL that V rising, goat simulator and satisfactory were mostly developed in skövde.

Just like valheim

So basically, the key for huge videogame success isn't just hiring Swedish devs, but it's actually hiring Swedish devs from skövde

[marsh sentinel]

Yep, Skovde is genuinely the game dev capital of Sweden.

[tall dirge]

Can I join on open server?

[marsh sentinel]

There aren't any 'open' servers per se, but you can have a look in #1024264966712340510 to see if there are any you might want to join.

[tardy vale]

Its one of them.

[umbral fog]

Mornin gjall 😄

[strange carbon]

Mooooooornin

[vapid mantle]

Mornin

[strange carbon]

Dude the option where u can turn continuous music off is so nice. Like sometimes music sometimes not

[lean fable]

Valheim miniatures when

[umbral fog]

When the board game comes out 😄

[lean fable]

will it miniatures?

[umbral fog]

there are miniatures in the goard game 🙂

[lean fable]

can I introduce Age of Sigmar's Vindicators into it?

[scenic wing]

The minis looks crazy good by the way

@umbral fog speaking of the board game, did you see the new update??

Neck and wraith minis 🎉

[west tangle]

do someone wanna play?

[frosty walrus]

People in #1024264966712340510 wanna play

[west tangle]

Okay thank u

[scenic wing]

Looks like they have raspberry planters in the board game 😂

[marsh sentinel]

Heh, the irony.

[umbral fog]

No? 👀 Will as soon as i get home tho 😁

[scenic wing]

It’s pretty neat stuff, we’re also getting a second boat mini, which I’m super excited about

[umbral fog]

500% funded for the board game 😄

[marsh sentinel]

But why don't they just finish Deep North!? 🤡

[umbral fog]

They are too busy buying horses for that 😄

[scenic wing]

Wish they would stop making some stupid video game and finish the board game already 🙄

[tardy vale]

Because Derek says. "everytime people mention deep north. the developers add 1 day until release"

[tardy vale]

only 12 months to go 👀

[livid stag]

People complaining about release don't even actively play the game or have stuck around. Deep north is 1.0 let them cook for 2 or more years and enjoy the ride before it's over.

[marsh sentinel]

Deep North is the final biome, it's not been confirmed if that will be 1.0 yet.

Not sure where 2 or more years is coming from either.

[livid stag]

I'm like 120% positive they said deep north would be 1.0

I'll gladly search rn for the statement

[marsh sentinel]

Sure, go for it.

[livid stag]

And 2 or more years for the biggest update yet makes sense

https://www.reddit.com/r/valheim/s/A3hNimHIAu

Scroll down or watch the video from the dev at GDC talks

Deep north is connected to 1.0 and im pretty sure I can find clips from Ashland's walk and talks where they reaffirm this if that's not enough to convince @marsh sentinel

[marsh sentinel]

Fair enough.

It's still all up in the air though to be honest.

[livid stag]

Anything can happen that's life for you but considering this is the final biome and they want to "go out with a bang" it makes perfect sense considering all of their statements

[glass oriole]

yo i got a question everytime i log into my friends server its plain and has a disconnected thing on the top left corner ive done everything but when he logs in the server its fine

[jagged grove]

Is he hosting a dedicated server? Unless he's got that set up and running, your friend needs to be playing also as he's the server host.

If he is running a dedicated server and that's happening, he may be shutting the server down for whatever reason.

[glass oriole]

yes its been happening even while hes playing on the server also it shows his character on the map but theres no buildings literally just meadows with no trees nothing im not sure if its a dedicated server because hes on xbox and im on pc but before that happened everything was ok

[jagged grove]

Unless consoles have gotten a lot better in the past few years, it's probably just a private host server then. Probably just some connectivity issues. I'd re-try joining first if it happens and if that doesn't resolve it he could try to re-launch the server.

I've had the same issue a few times, usually just takes a re-launch on someone's end to fix it.

But you shouldn't be able to play on his server unless he's already on and loaded into the game.

[glass oriole]

ok thank you appreciate it

[scenic imp]

The people who want more content are the people who got bored with the old content?

Shocking!

[umbral fog]

Mornin gjall 😄

[strange carbon]

yoooo

[chilly bane]

I love Valheim

[umbral fog]

As we all do 😄

[gray crypt]

Morgen gjall.

[devout trout]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tom-falling-asleep-too-sleepy-sleepy-gif-14908858

[dawn phoenix]

Deep north is most likely not 1.0, there will be some global rebalance/Qol before 1.0. #general message

[spark thunder]

And ‘chievements!

[umbral fog]

i cant wait to see what those will be 😄

[proven dagger]

Afternoon gjall.

[cursive zephyr]

Is there any server I can join to play?

[umbral fog]

surely some in #1024264966712340510 😄

[cursive zephyr]

oh thanks buddy ❤️

[umbral fog]

😄

[tardy vale]

depends on how much time we have to balance it.
but would be nice to re-balance so we drop deep north + QoL rebalance = 1.0 at the same time

[tardy vale]

and this of course in a 1.0

[frosty breach]

looking for any chill persons to start a server with, nothing wild just chill and play

[frosty walrus]

#1024264966712340510 Has chill persons to start a server with

[frosty breach]

man am I blind

[umbral fog]

surprisingly LOT of people seem to not notice it 😄 dont worry about it

[trim plume]

@vivid field I hope you can get out of the way of the hurricane that's coming your way, now. ~.~ Florida is getting hit again very soon. Be careful and let us know you are safe, as soon as possible.

[vivid field]

Lol, yeah I'm safe. Gonna go back and turn off the electricity tomorrow, and hunker down with the parents inland

Finally got the house aired out ready to move back in and finish cleaning, and then Milton arrived for round 2

[marsh sentinel]

Jesus, 175mph winds. Stay safe.

[inner kite]

Yea I’m in Florida hurricane season is here 😅

[little veldt]

it went from a cat3 to cat5 very quickly

[tardy vale]

175Mph?

that's like.. ripping cars up into a tornado isn't it? 😮

[marsh sentinel]

Yeah, that's a nasty, nasty hurricane.

[tardy vale]

😭 stay safe all my floridian friends

[marsh sentinel]

It'll probably drop to 130-140 by landfall but it's still going to be a terrible storm.

[dense abyss]

My buddy Pablo - that I met here, funny enough - lives on the northeast coast but it looks like it's gonna peter out to a Category 1 by the time it makes it to his place.

When I lived in Vegas we used to get these monsoon storms - we watched this great big blue metal trash dumpster float down the street... it did a full-on Kool Aid Man through this wall.

Water is frickin dangerous.

[trim plume]

@dense abyss look up Asheville North Carolina Water System ~.~ They can't even hold water in their reservoir atm. The Hospital is trucking water o.o yeah hurricane water is freaking scary, especially when it hits areas that haven't been hit in a century ~.~ I'm grateful that we have maybe nine days of calm here, and I'm terrified for anyone who has to brave Milton.

[gaunt ingot]

and Helene JUST hit us!

[trim plume]

@gaunt ingot I hope you're getting out of the way of Milton. 😿

[gaunt ingot]

thank you, luckily I'm PROBABLY not in the direct path, we just got some after effects of Helene, but ESPECIALLY for those people in the DIRECT path it's like SHEESH, can't catch a break from mother nature!

[trim plume]

They said Milton is a Cat 5 atm T_T and the swell may be as big as a foot coming in. Please be careful.

[gaunt ingot]

yeah it looks BAD, and I will thank you!

[dense abyss]

... I would swear that Valheim Draugrs and Project Zomboid zombies use a similar sound.

[marsh sentinel]

There's still a few shop bought assets in the game.

[vivid field]

the winds I'm honestly not too worried about, lots of trees keep the worst of it off the surface level, at least in my area, although yeah, high chance of getting the central eye directly overhead + storm surge + flooding after already saturated ground

[trim plume]

@vivid field yeah but they showed a place where it's going to hit that has a 20ft wall of debris in one roadway. If the wind picks that up, it's going to decimate the neighborhood.

[vivid field]

of course stream jets and all sorts of "worst case scenarios" and their required circumstances keep piling up

yeah the walls of sand are 100% from the flooding though

[trim plume]

Interstate is backed up for several miles of people trying escape atm. They showed it being bumper to bumper.

@vivid field It was a pile with cars, boxcars, furniture, sand, and trees. o.o

Heading off for a bit. Plz be safe irl 🙏

[scenic wing]

Can’t help but wonder how many necks it would take to kill an Asksvin

[umbral fog]

Mornin gjall 😄

[scenic wing]

Morning!

[crimson inlet]

800 at least

Unless an askvin dash can kill 50 at once

Then it would be thousands

[strange carbon]

Yo. to find the chest burried in the meadows,

in the "viking boat", where in it do I dig?

[frosty walrus]

You can dig up the whole thing or use a sledgehammer and find where the damage comes from in the ground. You might be able to use a wishbone too, but I’m not sure about that.

[strange carbon]

okay thanks ima just dig

how deep

[tardy vale]

wishbone is what you're suppose to use to find them 😅

[crimson inlet]

Spoilers 🦴

[marsh sentinel]

Are you really 'supposed' to use the wishbone when you most likely encounter them before you've finished the Swamps?

[frosty walrus]

Most players won’t know there’s a chest until they walk near one with a wishbone equipped if they haven’t heard from someone else.

[proven dagger]

Afternoon gjall.
I might not be here most mornings I've got some new responsibilities at work and in the mornings I have to assist the detectives.

[fluid grotto]

lets see. If we getting juicy news about 1.0

[deep fulcrum]

I am more interested to know about what they decide to do as a studio after valheim is wrapped up with its 1.0 release. (Aside from the expected continued bug support for a while).

Am sure they have been discussing what the next project will be 👀
Or if the studio might have other internal changes.

[open flower]

Coulpe

[neat quiver]

7:30 am Eastern, and I'm getting an ATeveryone? Come on.

[tardy vale]

it was a @ news people who specificly clicked that they want those push notices 🤔

@ everyone is disabled here 😄

[rapid linden]

Having it enabled would likely cause chaos lol

[proven dagger]

Drop the likely.

[rapid linden]

😅

[hidden shell]

Yes yes thank you for the ping I for one am excited about news from my favorite game 😀

[gray crypt]

Morgen gjall

[proven dagger]

Lucky you that you can still use it, since I got new responsibilities at work I have to assist the detectives in the morning and can't get on discord till I'm done there.
I don't like it.

[halcyon plaza]

Hey all, I played Valheim at the beginning of release.. I have 1200 h on Steam and haven't played since. Do you think it's worth starting now or better wait for version 1.0? 🙂

[frosty walrus]

1.0 won’t release for a while, so if you want to see the new content you should start now.

[storm anchor]

It is 100 % worth playing even now. It has had 2 major biome updates and some other smaller updates.

[lean sand]

Hi guys, how can i find my world seed on a game i am hosting for my wife and I? When i google it i just get results to find dedicated server world seeds. Sorry this probably gets asked a lot

[inland ivy]

I do a run every release just bc it’s fun normally not 1200 hour runs but like I normally do one start to finish in like 7 days irl but enjoying ages is also good so if you do that it’ll maybe take 2w

Definitely if you have not experienced the land after the flat biome that’s yellow <—-spoiler friendly and the land after highly suggest playing bc it’s now a full built out game

Those biomes are beefy

[inland ivy]

First search on google got me this but I’m not a professional at world seeding and valheim so attempt at your own will

https://valheim-map.world/getseed.html

F5 opens console
Possibly try v
Print seeds

Hopefully any of these help

[lean sand]

thanks i will try that

[glacial mural]

Hey people I need some music suggestions anyone got any

[storm anchor]

While playing? What kind of music?

[inland ivy]

Without context ima just say down with the sickness by disturbed

[glacial mural]

I generally listen to music while playing, I'm open to most genres! Just not a fan of british/drill rap

[glacial mural]

Will give this a listen

[inland ivy]

^boy with uke is my actual answer

[inland ivy]

My original answer was meme

[storm anchor]

Try Amon Amarth - Jormsviking album. Especially while raiding or fighting.

[glacial mural]

Oh

[glacial mural]

Ooh I'll try this!

[inland ivy]

I love boy with uke <~~this artist makes soft but vibe heavy stuff

[storm anchor]

First Kill song especially is pretty metal

[glacial mural]

I do like me some vibe heavy stuff

[storm anchor]

There is also https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202598389515030569 where you can look out for some fitting metal @glacial mural

[umbral fog]

Just type "printseeds" into console 🙂

[strong swan]

Can someone tell me what the spill is

[hard iron]

It's a Coffee Stain fireside chat with a lot of their studios and such, Valheim is up right now on it

[untold night]

10 PRINT "Seeds"
20 GOTO 10

[strong swan]

Can you tell me what they say, I can't watch it at the current moment

[hard iron]

I can't transcribe it, but you can watch it later. Basically info about the Bog Witch update. I can't watch it right now either, I have it paused and buffering so I can start it once my meeting is over 😉

[untold night]

Hold on... are you asking someone to summarise a podcast for you?

[strong swan]

Yeah?

Well just the valheim part

[untold night]

Holy shit.

[strong swan]

What?

[scenic wing]

Something about a prep table 👀

[storm anchor]

You can probably watch it later.

[untold night]

Look it up yourself!

[scenic wing]

||Also, they’re adding a scythe||

[radiant walrus]

There will be a summary later, someone will always be there to do stuff like this. 🙂

[modest moth]

||Farming simulator|| literally can't play anymore

[drowsy imp]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-fox-coffee-coffee-furry-foxfox-gif-27187755

[untold night]

Don't encourage them! Wow. It's not like they have to visit the local library, or buy the Encyclopaedia Britannica from a door-to-door salesman.

I'm too old for this shit!

[drowsy imp]

lots of game goodies on the stream today, gonna have this on the bg~

[fast trout]

Woah. Is that VIC basic?

[untold night]

It's Basic. It's not limited to the Vic 20.

[fast trout]

Gotcha. Instant flashbacks to typing for hours as a little kid to try and play Missile Command.

[buoyant spruce]

What is the farming skill supposed to upgrade

[scenic wing]

Stamina use for planting maybe?

[untold night]

It broadens your 'west country' accent.

(No, not California, you ignorants! West country England.)

[frosty walrus]

||I hope it’s not any kind of random harvest bonus, I don’t want any rng in farming
Same applies to the crafting and cooking skills, no rng. Crafting speed maybe?||

[scenic wing]

Agreed. I’m really curious to see how these skills work? Kinda wondering why too, to be honest? I’m optimistic though!

[deep fulcrum]

Oh, i have not missed the valheim Segment huh?

Somehow I thought this was a valheim only thing going to happen lol

[gaunt ingot]

i think there's a couple separated Valheim segments, but don't quote me

[deep fulcrum]

Oh, I see on the timelime. Is a V twice

[gaunt ingot]

super hyped for the changes hinted, all sound like some stuff pretty popular/commonly suggested by community

[deep fulcrum]

So i did miss something hm

[scenic wing]

Almost seems like this entire update is suggestion-inspired 🤔

[deep fulcrum]

Found it haha

[scenic wing]

Should be a second segment! I think lol

[deep fulcrum]

Oh.... that feasts sounds exactly like my suggestion 👀

Like, exactly hahaha.
Nice 😎

[deep fulcrum]

I am seeing what you mean

[tardy vale]

Kek

[cursive onyx]

My ||mouse thanks for the multi crafting...||

[tardy vale]

😇

[gaunt ingot]

LOVE it, so viking

[scenic wing]

Second segment starting now!

[deep fulcrum]

They have a third as well later on it looks like now too

[scenic wing]

Ahh I see! Good to know, thank you

[deep fulcrum]

That little timeline on the bottom is handy.

[south condor]

Did I miss something? https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Future_content 🤔

[scenic wing]

Sounds like Deep North will be an amazing biome, looking forward to it already haha

||”Deep North will have calm moments”||

[storm anchor]

Haha, ||feasts||! I heard ||fists|| aka getting ||new fists weapon||

[wild rampart]

I just logged on, did they say anything about ocean update?

[scenic wing]

Not necessarily, yet at least

[wild rampart]

Damn 😢

[scenic wing]

Or rather, not specifically

[deep fulcrum]

There is probably not going to be a specific ocean update... I am pretty certain by now (unless smiffe yanked my chain lol).

Will there be updates to the ocean though? I suppose there might be some but nothing was mentioned regarding possible updates for the ocean yet. Might still get some. 🫡

[scenic wing]

Take this with a grain of salt, but they said they would like to touch up all biomes a little bit before 1.0.

Not guarantees of course 🙂

[gaunt ingot]

i heard something about "3 biomes" getting touched up before 1.0 but not 100% I heard right

[deep fulcrum]

I think I caught the same that dogg said. Just a brief mention they would like to hopefully touch up past biomes. Not sure on the wording unless I rewind haha.

[scenic wing]

Segment 2 is a wrap, basically talked about the games development and early access and stuff 👍

Looks like segment 3 is later, might miss it though- gotta take my car in to get looked at lol

[slate hedge]

I hope there's a summary or something later. This is not a great way to present news about the game for those unconcerned by anything not related to Valheim

[scenic wing]

I’m sure there will be, nothing to get stressed about 🙂

[gaunt ingot]

the community already annotating it in real time lol

[scenic wing]

#general message here are some notes in case you want a summary!

[deep fulcrum]

Hahahaha, rowing

[drowsy fossil]

,,viking ship forever, yo,,- smart man

[fluid grotto]

At the “The Spill” they said the new update would come out around 1-2 weeks. The question is to PTB or main?

[marsh sentinel]

I think you might know as much as us.

[umbral fog]

my bets are on ptb, i would not be surprised for it to take the 1-2 weeks alone

[scenic wing]

I would wager PTB

[marsh sentinel]

Sounds like there'll be a lot to test.

[umbral fog]

indeed

[scenic wing]

Irongate has me super hyped, haven’t been this excited for content updates since Terraria Journeys End 😂

[gaunt ingot]

probs testing the bog witch

[marsh sentinel]

We'll be testing all of it.

[scenic wing]

And all the ||potions|| and much more

Did anyone else hear the part about the ||bog witch being similar to an enemy already in the game?||

Wonder what that could be about? 🤔

Maybe a Fuling? Lol

[junior sedge]

Maybe like a fuling shaman?

That's what i pictured at least

[frosty walrus]

I’d love to see a fuling trader

[scenic wing]

Boar trader 🤌

[gaunt ingot]

I did NOT hear that--fuling makes probs most sense, that or fearing

Fenring

[scenic wing]

Fenring in the swamp though?

[frosty walrus]

I think a fuling would be a much better witch than a fenring

[gaunt ingot]

Yeah be out of element lol

[umbral fog]

Or a surtling trader? 😄

[scenic wing]

Neck trader (he sells lily pads)

[frosty walrus]

How about a leech with a hat?

[umbral fog]

I cant wait 😄

[smoky scarab]

Hugin's evil sister

[umbral fog]

Hugin doesent have a sister afaik

[gaunt ingot]

A fallen fallen valkyrie

[frosty walrus]

Abomination sapling?

[junior sedge]

I'm really excited to see what the trader is because I mentioned something a few months back about adding a witch trader to the swamp. Most likely a coincidence but its so cool to see it come to life😁

[hoary crow]

friendly || draugr|| ?

[smoky scarab]

Apparently the streak of ridiculous predictions couldn't last long

[umbral fog]

I want to see a charred witch xD

[radiant walrus]

Its Haldor in drag

[marsh sentinel]

Still, is there much left that was definitely never coming to the game that still isn't?

[smoky scarab]

I recall when I suggested adding a skill for the hoe and cultivator that reduce the stamina use overtime more than 2 years ago, I was told it was never going to happen

[frosty walrus]

We already have hildir’s clothes for that.

[smoky scarab]

And now we're getting a skill that does that

[frosty walrus]

Did they say what the skill does? I couldn’t watch it.

[scenic wing]

I don’t think they specifically said what the skill does 🤔

[smoky scarab]

What else could it be though

[scenic wing]

Quality crops, maybe multiple crops?

3 star carrots 😂

[frosty walrus]

Every x harvests gives an extra crop or seed? I don’t really care as long as it isn’t rng related in any way.

[smoky scarab]

I feel that even if that would be the case, it would also reduce the amount of stamina needed for both the cultivator, scythe and hopefully the hoe as well

[scenic wing]

Maybe it will go something like this; farming skill dictates quality of crops (like fish) and the new prep station will be where you can get multiple servings of the vegetable or whatever you prep.

Just speculation

[true pendant]

Grow time maybe?

[deep fulcrum]

Me who doesn't care about skills at all... whatever it is won't effect me much

[scenic wing]

Same haha

[smoky scarab]

For me the feasts are likely to be combining existing recipes together to make for something a bit better that last a lot longer

[scenic wing]

Yeah sounds like it. I’m just happy the cauldron crafting list is getting addressed lol

[deep fulcrum]

That feasts sounded at least 90% like how I suggested it way back (pre server wipe), so I am interested to see what the actual implementation they run with is like.

Its so funny to me because of all the suggestions I have made. That is one I talked about just recently-ish in the suggestions discussion channel 😂

It even has the whole put the feasts on tables aspect I suggested! Wowza

[smoky scarab]

Very pleased overall with all the announcements, had no expectations but now I am really looking forward to all the changes

[true pendant]

I feel like all crafting stations should have a sort/filter based on current biome

The list gets pretty long on all stations

[smoky scarab]

At least the recipes you can make with the ingredients you have are always at the top, so if you know the ingredients, you will never have to search for what you want to make

[hoary crow]

wait did I not understand it correctly or did they imply that deep north wont have the true ending of the game?

[smoky scarab]

It will have a true ending and it will also let you keep playing the world

[hoary crow]

ah I see

[deep fulcrum]

I can't remember but I could have swore that there was a chance for the ending to be after DN. I can't tell by now weather it'll be after or within now though.

[true pendant]

To fight the final boss you must sail off the edge of the map

[deep fulcrum]

After some of what I heard from devs, it has gotten messy.

[marsh sentinel]

There'll have to be something else, just killing another Forsaken wouldn't really be an ending.

[tight orbit]

Oh wow so this update is akin to hearth and home update in term of overall content ?

[deep fulcrum]

All of the forsaken stones are full atm though, so who is to say it is a forsaken?

[frosty walrus]

They were full before ashlands

[marsh sentinel]

Uh? They were before Ashlands too, and they added another.

[deep fulcrum]

Ah, only other rebuttal I can think of is in the text it said 7 forsaken, and there has been 7 now.

[frosty walrus]

Something else will happen at the sacrificial stones, I’m sure

[true pendant]

That's too sane though...

[umbral fog]

which text?

[deep fulcrum]

I watched it in a lore video on YouTube, and they talked about it.

Would have to go find it 🤭

[umbral fog]

do you mind trying that? Because i really dont remember reading it anywhere 🤔

[scenic wing]

Think I remember that actually, yeah I really liked that! Glad to see a version is getting added 😁

#valheim-chat message hoping we see this 😁

[deep fulcrum]

Could be one of the feasts for sure, using tons of boar meat to imply a whole hog, maybe a trophy too hahaha

[scenic wing]

Cooking some sausages IRL to celebrate all this Valheim news lol

[hoary crow]

pretty sweet news tbh yeah

[deep fulcrum]

Was a little while ago for me, but I could try.

Promise I am not pulling it from thin air though... but won't say I am 100% certain about it.

[umbral fog]

I am also looking into runestones and stuff right now as i am not 100% sure 😄 no worries

[marsh sentinel]

You're probably thinking of 'Seven were the creatures banished to this world by mighty Odin in the first days of his kingship. Seven gods and monsters too proud to bear his yoke. I have heard the tread of the Old Ones in the forest and have crouched in the shadow of the Mountain Mother when she flies. Of the others I know little. I will add to this stone when I have seen more.'

[scenic wing]

Segment 3 hasn’t happened yet, correct?

[deep fulcrum]

That is probably it yeah, yeah that is 100% it hahaha

[scenic wing]

Loremaster Derek

[deep fulcrum]

I just found the video and heard just that too rofl.
https://youtu.be/aN5Dzv4EKAo?si=YY3zyT441Xablt2I

I thought it was this video too, the lore one by ember.

[smoky scarab]

Lore can be changed in an instant

[umbral fog]

Oooh , i dont remember this one 😄

[deep fulcrum]

Yep, she says in the video it could be possible the stone is just updated also haha. We never truly know and they can still decide on anything they want really.

[umbral fog]

might be because i dont tend to see much runestones in BF🤔

[smoky scarab]

Deep north will have a boss, most likely a new stone to hang the trophy on too

[deep fulcrum]

Well, it might. No garuntees.

[marsh sentinel]

I'd say 100%.

Why on on Earth would the gameplay loop change right at the end?

[deep fulcrum]

Gonna sit on my safe 99% 😂

[smoky scarab]

I'm comfortable with my 99% too, in case the ending makes it unnecessary or they don't want to add a new power?

[soft estuary]

Idk what video but it would be interesting if this forsaken was not thrown in here by Odin but rather born and grew up in the harsh conditions of the deep north and is the most powerful boss.

[marsh sentinel]

They wouldn't be a Forsaken then.

[deep fulcrum]

Yep. True true.

[soft estuary]

boss*

[frosty walrus]

We could get a boss that isn’t a forsaken if we need to kill that boss to reach/summon the forsaken

[dark otter]

What valheim news???

[deep fulcrum]

I want like 10 more minibosses, make it happen IG

[scenic wing]

#general message

[dark otter]

OOOOOOO thanks bro!!

[soft estuary]

Do you have the time in the stream they talked about that?

[scenic wing]

I don’t right now, but I’ll try and find it!

[deep fulcrum]

Bit silly because so many are watching just for valheim news hehehe

[scenic wing]

I think 2hr 4min mark

Valheim segment is coming up soon! Satisfactory just started, Valheim is after that.

[deep fulcrum]

2 more valheim segments left 🥳

[short thistle]

dude why is there a 30 min slow mode in #screenshots

[umbral fog]

because people were using is as a chat room

[short thistle]

oh

[marsh sentinel]

Just edit and add more images to the original post.

[scenic wing]

In other news, board game is getting new hives!

@umbral fog pinging you because I know you’re as excited as I am haha

[umbral fog]

👀

NICE

Valheim segment is on!!!!

[deep fulcrum]

Ashlands hmmm, really hope they miiiiight just talk about possibly expanding on the fortresses. All I could hope for it they revisit the biome some.
Instanced dungeons section perhaps? 🤭

[marsh sentinel]

At this stage I'd be very surprised. But I'm honestly going to stop second guessing the devs as well, gestures widely

[gaunt ingot]

indeed lol

[marsh sentinel]

You watch, they'll introduce potatoes into Deep North just to mess with us.

[gaunt ingot]

i think they about nailed the Ashlands difficulty at least on vanilla personally

[marsh sentinel]

Oh, the difficulty in Ashlands now is spot on.

[gaunt ingot]

no one can resist the POWER OF POTATO SUPREMACY!

[deep fulcrum]

I won't ever try to say anything concretely because I can't ever tell what the devs might decide on attempting to add.
I do love having a lot of it kept a secret though so I can actually experience it first hand rather than fully spoiled.

[soft estuary]

I'm placing bets on a fruit tree.

[marsh sentinel]

Ooh, I'd forgotten about that one.

[soft estuary]

I can imagine discovering a frozen, lifeless tree with a single slim branch holding a fruit. When you pick the fruit, it shatters, but you get a seed that you can plant to grow your own.

[deep fulcrum]

That would actually be really neat both mechanically and visually haha

[deep fulcrum]

Pop that into #suggestions 😉

If you have not already that is haha
.

oop, last segment goes to the board game it seems huh

[gaunt ingot]

I can't get MAH WIFE to play Valheim with me--I know right, I should just divorce her, but I'm too kind and loving--but maybe, probably, I can get her to play the board game at least

[wooden goblet]

What happened in the talk thingy like the podcast or something i wasnt able to attend it

[scenic wing]

#general message

[gentle lion]

Still ongoing.

Have they talked Deep North yet? I had to drop out for a bit.

[wooden goblet]

Alright is that all or if its still ongoing there will be something more?

[gentle lion]

They've already done a number of Valheim segments, so maybe just Deep North, unless I missed that one.

[true pendant]

think it lasts for another hour

[wooden goblet]

So there will be something more right? Maybe?

[gentle lion]

Maybe. In any case I'd guess it should be available as VOD once it's done?

[marsh sentinel]

Honestly I don't want them to give everything away.

[wooden goblet]

Yeah not everything but kind of give a direction on what they are doing and what they are going to do

[marsh sentinel]

Well, we already know that.

[deep fulcrum]

Only two things I want to know.
Is DN the end of the game, or is there a possibility of there being a bit more after.
What kind of thoughts have gone around in the studio for after valheim 1.0. Future project ideas?

[marsh sentinel]

It's the final biome, as it always has been.

[deep fulcrum]

That's a given ofc ahaha

[marsh sentinel]

Quite.

[gaunt ingot]

i seriously doubt there'd be a whole extra BIOME, but, I'm NOT entirely sure they won't spring another boss on us after a Deep North final forsaken boss--like a final final, non-Forsaken (no power or trophy, probably--then again, maybe, as like bragging and badge of completion, but lore-wise at least, not Forsaken) boss

that probably, if it doesn't spawn AT standing stones, the way to will be unlocked upon hanging the trophies for all 8 biome bosses on the standing stones

[true pendant]

1 & 2 star bosses after the end.

[deep fulcrum]

Seen many are suggest wanting the ground stone in the middle of the trophy stones to become a portal up onto the branch for some epic conclusion lol.
Will see what comes in the end ofc.

[marsh sentinel]

Well, no, we're not going anywhere near yggdrasil I don't think. Being as that's the entire thing we've been avoiding all game. I think, and this is just a wild guess at this point, we'll get a new portal at the centre of the stones that takes us to Valhalla when we're ready. That way people can keep playing if they want or just go through it and probably get a final cutscene or something.

[gaunt ingot]

yeah I could see that too

[frosty walrus]

I'm not going if I can't take a neck with me

[deep fulcrum]

Its only a branch broken off of ygdrasil though, not the whole tree.

If I was to guess (should they go that route), we have to cleanse the branch itself perhaps.

No clue what direction they will take things ofc, just seen quite a few suggestions hoping for that ahaha.

[scenic wing]

Yeah, that’s my speculation as well.

[umbral fog]

Same, i am pretty sure something will be done at the spawn 😄

[left ether]

In a huge twist, the final portal takes us to the intro of Skyrim "hey you, you're finally awake" and this whole adventure was a fever dream.

[marsh sentinel]

Oh God, no.

[little veldt]

It’s actually a brain dance from Cyberpunk2077

[left ether]

I agree, lol

[dusky urchin]

No rng even for a bonus? I'd be happy to harvest and get a random extra turnip

I'm excited for multicraft.

[frosty walrus]

Why should lucky people get more crops?

[scenic wing]

crafting skill level requirements for materials 😂

[dusky urchin]

Was the big witch meant to be a standard enemy, or a boss?

[scenic wing]

Looks to be an NPC merchant

[rugged stag]

A mind is like a door. Keep the door open and let the insects in. The insects flock to the lights causing a pitch dark room. You spray the insects only to find that once they fall you've awoken on a cart travelling down a hilly cobblestone road.

[marsh sentinel]

Thank you for your wisdom, sensei.

[rugged stag]

-# put way too much thought power into that.

[dusky urchin]

Potions will be cool. Maybe have some healing so we don't have to sit and wait for food to do it

[frosty walrus]

We already have healing mead

[marsh sentinel]

Please tell me they've made a fermenter.

[dusky urchin]

I will reiterate I am only in bronze age 😅😅😅😅

[marsh sentinel]

Yep, you can make it there.

[frosty walrus]

Make a fermenter when you can, some meads are very important in later biomes

[gaunt ingot]

not least of which is, the very next one, and then the one immediately after that (at least initially)

[tardy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/greetings-fellow-humans-hello-how-are-you-hello-there-hi-gif-15027565

[rugged stag]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-patience-cat-cute-pets-gif-5544229

[tardy vale]

the the the... spill!

https://youtu.be/8z5E8ELDDs0?t=3359

timestamped for you're pleasure

[scenic wing]

Hey Smiffe, did you hear about the new stuff being added??

[smoky scarab]

I heard they are adding potatoes

[gaunt ingot]

I ALSO heard MANY people saying they were adding potatoes

[tardy vale]

oh never ever

I wouldn't be one of the head people testing new stuff and breaking them 🤔

[rugged stag]

What are you even here for if you're not in the information loop

smh

[lyric solstice]

I..hunger.. for more info! 😂

[rugged stag]

Salted Pretzel while you wait?

[lyric solstice]

Smiffe is our god and saviour!!

Do not speak ill of da gods or da gods shall slay you with their might subject.

[rugged stag]

I offered a salted pretzel but I guess I'm eating it now

-# Yum

[lyric solstice]

Yes my child, eat it in the face of di gods thus it has been written.

[upbeat sorrel]

Who does like Atgir?

[modest moth]

Now let's see how many will believe this

[tardy vale]

almost everyone

[scenic wing]

Smiffe, have you had a chance to play the board game?

[tardy vale]

nope

we have a copy in the office. but I work remote

[frosty walrus]

If an enemy isn’t resistant to pierce, a polearm is always going to be one of the best options

[scenic wing]

I’ve still never used an atgeir 🤔

[smoky scarab]

This really was an unexpected surprise, the long awaited farming skill, feasts that I suspect will reward hoarders like many of us, the scythe and multi-craft. You guys did go above and beyond as always, good job!

[tardy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-gif-17947975675570061849

[outer glade]

@tardy vale are you planning new monsters like Nøkken or a Kraken or something at some point?

[tardy vale]

both are in the game already

[outer glade]

what

[modest moth]

Neck

Leviathan

[tardy vale]

^

[finite crystal]

Can you breed in Valheim

[outer glade]

Neck is a lizard, no?

[tardy vale]

no

[storm anchor]

Tamed animals can, you cannot.

[outer glade]

Isn't leviathan just a turtle you cant fight?

[tardy vale]

Näck = englishified = neck

[modest moth]

And you really cannot expect a developer to explicitly confirm future plans.

You might as well not ask anything and you'd get essentially the same answer

[tardy vale]

but the neck we have is more like Japanese Kappa

[finite crystal]

Damn, guess I’ll have to wait a few more updates

[tardy vale]

it's hard to breed singleplayer. but bread you can do 🤔

[storm anchor]

Another QoL update

[finite crystal]

I’m never alone

[outer glade]

You can breed tameable creatures.

Or is that not what you're asking?

[lyric solstice]

Im looking forward to scythe but I hope we will see a flail in the future

[frosty walrus]

What kind of moveset/other attributes would a flail have that other weapons don’t do already?

[lyric solstice]

1h mace kind of weapon tbh

Blunt 1h

[modest moth]

Yes, we certainly don't have one-handed maces

Another one would be unique indeed

[lyric solstice]

Would just look cool with a shield, since we discovered abit of english castle like structures in ashlands so maybe .. just maybe... we would find weapory from knights in the north

[frosty walrus]

A weapon needs to do more than look cool

[marsh sentinel]

The existence of flails are highly disputed IRL let alone in game.

[modest moth]

Iirc in general, but as a combat weapon? Hmmm

[lyric solstice]

Well yes and no haha,after bonemass we dont really use a mace.. but who know what da shields of iron might cook up

[marsh sentinel]

What on Earth are 'da shields of iron'?

[modest moth]

Forgetting the existence of frostner I see

[marsh sentinel]

They're forgetting quite a bit of the game content.

[lyric solstice]

Iron gate, if we should then lol

Anyhow, flail, wow 😅

[scenic wing]

According to Jade PG’s recent video/interview with Grimm, apparently the bog witch is a ||greydwarf!||

[lyric solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/gwent-gwentcard-northern-realms-bloody-flail-gif-13806181

Just yes xD

[marsh sentinel]

Hm?

[tardy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-snape-harrypotter-alan-rickman-idk-gif-4982423

[lyric solstice]

Srry, just a viking having Dreams about finding weaponry from other civilications from same time period since they adventure the world

[marsh sentinel]

Why would that make sense? Valheim is set in a fictionalised 10th realm based loosely on Norse mythology.

[soft estuary]

That’s interesting

[lyric solstice]

They were.. If lucky with storms, a stone tjrow from England hehe

[marsh sentinel]

England is on Middgard not Valheim.

[storm anchor]

Unexpected, tbh, not unwelcome tho.

[lyric solstice]

They did raid England, several times, Nd they did matter of fact, own swords and flails at the same time period, we did get ashlands stone building materials so you cant really argue on this ^^

[tardy vale]

nope

[modest moth]

A ||shaman|| then

In hindsight, it's obvious now

[marsh sentinel]

You want to bet?

[tardy vale]

valheim character = lives in old viking world = dies = get moved to the afterlife

[lyric solstice]

Well, idk, but I want, I wish we had flails, so id say.. yes? XD

[tardy vale]

flails doesn't work in unity (valheims game engine)

[lyric solstice]

Awww

[tardy vale]

that's why all unity made game basicly uses clubs. and not flails 😄

[lyric solstice]

Fantasy got taken under by serpents during storms when the vikings got loot back home 😭

Darn storms ruining for us

[tardy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/valheim-izover-gitfast-texugo-os-aspirantes-gif-20420564

[lyric solstice]

I totally blame storms at this point

[tardy vale]

storms are fun

[lyric solstice]

Valheim 2.0.. vikings discover... new lands... and finally.. get home with the loots

Shh, do not tell odin!

odin stares at distance

[marsh sentinel]

Get home? We're going to Valhalla. We're dead.

[lyric solstice]

Nejj!

[marsh sentinel]

Yes, that's literally the point of the game.

[true pendant]

...there is no odin emoji.

[lyric solstice]

dieS

[true pendant]

This is sad.

[lyric solstice]

I once again... blame the storms

[marsh sentinel]

[lyric solstice]

angry old man shakes fist upon the storms

Lol

[soft estuary]

Devs said they wanna give deep north more of a cozy feel.

[gaunt ingot]

DOES it?

[lyric solstice]

I sure am verry curious of the north, but I also remember.. they did listen to community who said valheim was too easy... and we got.. ashlands.. with death and serpents shooting magic

[frosty walrus]

Yes?

[lyric solstice]

But I am verry exited to what is upon us tho hahaha

[marsh sentinel]

We got Ashlands becuase it was the next biome. We got world modifiers because people said it was both too easy and too hard.

[tardy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-covers-gif-12591646602777398268

[lyric solstice]

you are freezing terribly

[true pendant]

Do we know if they're going to keep the mountains mixed in with the North?

[lyric solstice]

Yeah ive seen ... dosen.. of body marks on the web hahaha, maybe.. some of my own aswell haha

I do wonder... what will fit.. the new boss..

scaroused

When I did take father down with my friends, we did it with a mod on the servers with a mod that gave us all powers, even so.. a friend died and father decided to meteor our base so we had to continue without him 😂
Its the boss that ive never had such serious face irl while facing him, and I sure am about.. scared/curious about the next.

We will defenetly do the next run with 0 mods, alright.. they wanted a clock to show time of day which they may have but otherwise.... I hope.. I HOPE... they will upgrade their gear before we will move on

[scenic wing]

Excited for cozy north!

[modest moth]

Unfortunately, people don't use those solutions and complain the game is still either too easy or too hard...

[lean fable]

Good morning— huh

[modest moth]

My prediction for DN is that we will get new crops + greenhouse mechanic in order to grow those crops

[marsh sentinel]

Oh, I've wanted a greenhouse for so long!

[tardy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-cute-anime-cute-anime-girl-gif-26293394

[lyric solstice]

As someone who playd dark souls... Ashlands surely made me roll more then ever before, I had to wash my cape and gear from all the dust from each visit to that "hell hole"

[modest moth]

Tf you mean no?

[true pendant]

I like that they added the modifiers, but I don't like that the standard for combat difficulty with most games is "adjust the damage variables"

[modest moth]

Also shield gen kinda has that mechanic already

[tardy vale]

no damn greenhouse 😄

[modest moth]

Both difficulty slider and death penalty can be used for that

[tardy vale]

I don't want poor Jonathan and Dvoid bashing there heads in for months on end just trying to make a greenhouse mechanic to work 😄

[marsh sentinel]

What would you suggest instead?

[soft estuary]

A while ago I suggested a jump potion that uses a hare's trophy as a base (the feet) that allows people to traverse Mistlands slightly easier before they obtain feather cape, I wonder if that'll be something in this Bog Witch update that uses other ingredients that are available at that time because it would also make sense to get this right before Mountains.

[lyric solstice]

Nej, no greenhouse, gonna be hard to find any veggies at all in the DN if its gonna be cold xD

[true pendant]

AI revisions, smarter enemies. I know it isn't easy, but it is much better

Add in coordination, have the fuling shaman fling the fireball at you while the spear thrower chucks at a side

[marsh sentinel]

Is that a statement, a question or a suggestion?

[true pendant]

suggestion

[frosty walrus]

We have a channel for those

[lyric solstice]

We habe a tab for suggestions btw

[tardy vale]

#suggestions 🤔

[lyric solstice]

Aye as.. ye.. as the all vikings said xD

[true pendant]

The channel topic was on modifiers and difficulty....anyways, I use suggestions for what I think might actually be plausible, anything else is just clutter for that place

[lyric solstice]

We have mods, valheim is verry mod friendly, you may find what ur looking for on the " r2modman"

[marsh sentinel]

r2modman is the mod client. Mods are on Thunderstore.

Also, wrong channel.

[lyric solstice]

I use a mod where you.. If ur lucky.. can achieve double jump and slowfall.
But its more of a subject for the mod channel

[marsh sentinel]

That's what the feather cape does.

[soft estuary]

I don't remember feather cape having anything to do with luck.

[lyric solstice]

Yeah, we got some stuff ingame already, but If you want to Spice it up i mean

"R2modman" and "epic loots", but as Derek said, wrong channel for this kind of subject 🫡

Back to og... what do you guys think what.. what may.. the DN have as a boss?
Im curius to all ideas haha

[true pendant]

Ice golem?

[lyric solstice]

Golems we got, annoying, yes, but im sure they would Spice it up

[frosty walrus]

Two bosses at the same time?

[lyric solstice]

I need to get more mead for this...

[lyric solstice]

scared

[scenic wing]

Ornstein and Smough 🤌

[frosty walrus]

Yes exactly

[true pendant]

2 Moders at once would suck

[frosty walrus]

We’ve already got two dragon bosses, we don’t need any more

[lyric solstice]

Twins

But yes... since it would be the last biome... a god would fit ..

DONT GIVE THE THEM ANY IDEAS!

thor has landed with his chariot, puny mortals.. you thought it was santa with presents, but you shall taste the mjolnir

Yikes lol

[modest moth]

Isn't the mechanic technically there already?

We have the shield gen, also crops don't grow if they're covered via roof so couldn't they just add crops that work the exact opposite?

[marsh sentinel]

A 'God' would make no sense at all. We're tasked with taking down Forsaken, it'll be another one of them.

Although, having said that, I liked the Goblin bros miniboss, that was different.

[true pendant]

Let me see, so far we have

mythical beast, eldritch horror, zombie amalgam, Frosty the drake, demonic undead king, insect worm, and angry daddy

[modest moth]

And I wish we had something else instead of fader...

A humanoid boss that's roughly the character's size would've felt much cooler. Like reto but as an actual boss

[true pendant]

all the times you've died come back to haunt you

[frosty walrus]

There’s still a chance to get that for deep north, it could be anything.

[marsh sentinel]

The boss IS the player.

[soft estuary]

Fader is an angry daddy

[modest moth]

The character but all skills are at 100

[marsh sentinel]

Ooh, that woudl be tough.

[modest moth]

Even building, farming and crafting.

[marsh sentinel]

Do all players get duplicated if playing co-op?

[modest moth]

Fighting a character with crafting 100 seems like a speedrun breaker (not possible to accomplish)

[frosty walrus]

All they need is an abyssal harpoon and a cheat sledge

[modest moth]

Special move: crafts 2-star build hammer

[true pendant]

A longship filled with the ghosts of disgraced warriors

[tardy vale]

no. alot of mechanics would interfear

[marsh sentinel]

Ooh, scary mechanics.

[lyric solstice]

Well.. how about Odin, he do stare at us, he is jumping beteende plains beteende the dead and the living.. and he has been with us on a distance for a long time, just watching us

[fast trout]

I'm a mechanic, and I wouldn't interfere. I'd probably welcome it.

[frosty walrus]

Odin as a boss? He’s the one we’re fighting for.

[marsh sentinel]

You think the final boss will be the person we're working for? Not unheard of, I guess. i'd hate that though, personally

[true pendant]

...How do we know it's Odin?

[marsh sentinel]

It's the plot of the game.

[lyric solstice]

What if.. suddenly he would turn tho

spooky sounds

Lol

[true pendant]

Nope, I've figured it out.

[lyric solstice]

As I said, it is the last biome afterall, and a twist is not uncommon

[true pendant]

It's Haldor. No other dwarf laughs, why does he?

[frosty walrus]

Doesn’t hildir?

[lyric solstice]

Noo haldor is unhappy with our payments

[true pendant]

They're in it together

Nah there's a runestone in the mistlands

"Do not remove their hats, they don't have jokes"

[lyric solstice]

Haldor and hildir, with full force and their overbuffed plains mastodon loxes

we shall give you presents

[true pendant]

DN boss is a yeti.

[lyric solstice]

hide with lightsabre, I mean, sword

suddenly the ice crumbles and a mega serpent breaks the ice and plumbes up through it

" Jörmungandr stares at the lone viking/vikings with cold eyes and roars over the icy lands"

[marsh sentinel]

No, he's busy keeping Middgard together. If he leaves there, we've got bigger problems.

[lyric solstice]

Defenetly 😬😂

[marsh sentinel]

That's the weirdest combination of emojis.

[lyric solstice]

Well I would not stand and fite, id drop my weapons and shields and leg it hahaha

For those who dont know who he is.

Quick google search for answer.

Jörmungandr
(also spelled Jörmungandr), in Norse mythology, the evil serpent that encircled the world, biting its own tail. Jormungand was also known as the Midgard Serpent, or the World Serpent, because its body coiled around the whole Earth underneath the oceans, and the Earth was called Midgard in Norse cosmology.

[marsh sentinel]

Is there anyone who doesn't know who he is?

[frosty walrus]

I didn’t know

[lyric solstice]

Absolutely, not everyone are born a viking 😅

[marsh sentinel]

Really? oh.

No, none of us are born Vikings. But in a game so heavily based on Norse mythology I figured people would have an interest.

[lyric solstice]

My middle name irl is literally viking, but I do not know super much about the time period but I sure am curious 😆

[true pendant]

Norse thing hasn't made it into a Marvel movie = doesn't exist
unless it has, I haven't kept up

[marsh sentinel]

Huh? What has Marvel got to do with anything?

[lyric solstice]

ironman graydwarf appears

Omg not another graydwaaarrrfffff 😂

That made me giggle abit, but I do have bad humour lol

le me building a base when yet another graydwarf decide to attack my ashland base

[scenic wing]

For anyone who doesn’t know by the way, “piquant” means something tasty/appetizing. it’s pronounced pee-kent peek-ant (⛰️🐜.) So if there’s anyone out there like me who was wondering what that means… there you go 😁

[drowsy imp]

that sounds so weird to me

like, the pronunciation, might just be cuz the only time I've heard that word is in French (pee-cahn)

[lyric solstice]

Never heard of tbh lol

[marsh sentinel]

Yeah, no idea where 'pee-kwint' comes from.

[drowsy imp]

Googling 'piquant' gives you pee-kwint as a pronunciation in the first result, but then everything else that I've looked up (even google translate) gives pee-cant

[scenic wing]

Yeah, I’m coming across similar things lol now I’m not so sure 😅

Probably pee-cant, that’s what I’m seeing most of at least…

Not a word I hear a lot lol

[drowsy imp]

seems like it's at least recognized here tho

maybe regional, but not US/UK

-# heccin, nerd sniped by a random pronunciation

[marsh sentinel]

That's how we'd proounce it in the UK too.

[scenic wing]

Fixed it 👀

[marsh sentinel]

Added it to the Wiki too.

[terse folio]

@tardy vale please tell me the scythe will do damage, even if its only a little i want to defend my crops against greydwarves with a scythe!

[marsh sentinel]

Even if he could, I doubt he'd say. Why not just wait?

[modest moth]

Literally can't play

[ebon turret]

Deep north when

[gaunt ingot]

RIGHT THE FUCK NOW

now meaning any time between the present and an infinitely far future

[marsh sentinel]

a) We've just had Ashlands b) They've just announce the next update which is the swamp + QOL one that literally everyone is talking about so hazard a guess that it won't be for a little while yet.

[ebon turret]

I just want Santa’s workshop maaaan

[marsh sentinel]

Well, you might need a different game for that one.

[ebon turret]

Nuh uh

[gaunt ingot]

we'll definitely be getting a yule goat

[glass oriole]

why is it when i try to join a friend on steam it says error launching game no licenses

[vivid field]

probably from the "qu" rule of english, which makes the kw sound -- people or robots who've never heard the word properly I'd assume are more likely to pronounce it that way

[rugged stag]

incorrect, to me it's Peek ant"

A - aye not uh

[soft estuary]

Pee, kent!

[scenic wing]

I’m go and edit it for the 3rd time, I’ll get it right this time 🥲

[rugged stag]

smh

[scenic wing]

⛰️🐜

Fixed!

[lean fable]

someone mentioned peaks

[wooden idol]

rather than watching the 4 hour video, is there a summary somewhere for the video of "the Spill" talking about upcoming plans?

[vivid field]

good thing it doesn't have australian etymology, "Pee, mate!"

[scenic wing]

#general message

I got you 💪

There’s also a wiki page on it, upcoming/planned features.

[wooden idol]

Thanks!

[open dome]

Appreciate it. was actually going to ask the same thing myself lol

So have the oceans gotten a update yet or is that something that's been dropped? Or still in progress?
I remember there used to be a ships and sea update on the original defunct roadmap.

[scenic wing]

No ocean update yet, and we don’t actually have confirmation necessarily that it will get an update. Irongate mentioned in the dev talk today that they would like to touch up parts of the game, but nothing is set in stone.

[drowsy fossil]

Plains needs a dungeon,maybe an Iron Mine from the Fulings

[scenic wing]

Oooooh an iron mine, that actually sounds pretty cool 👀

[deep fulcrum]

Youtubers are starting to get videos out by now as well hehe

[crimson inlet]

It does
But plains identity is being more of a combat biome

A little change of pace to break up the formula

What would be nice is that if you can't widdle down villages slowly

It would be nicer in my opinion if once you enter the village, it turns into a raid where it'll respawn if you don't get the item or not kill the main guys like berserkers and shamans

But it's fine as is I guess

[umbral fog]

Mornin gjall 😄

[marsh sentinel]

They're called Fuling camps.

[rotund pewter]

Nah Derek - those are fueling camps to fuel my insatiable greed for coins and black metal 😂

[brisk fern]

I like the approach in the Plains in terms of collecting metal, its a good way to swap it up a bit

[storm anchor]

Or test out some new weapons. Or just kills and funsies.

[proven dagger]

Morgen gjall!
I've been too fast for the detectives and have nothing to do there.

[proven dagger]

It just gets delivered to your door, so handy.

[strange carbon]

Yoo

How do I clame a maypole

[proven dagger]

Build something that gives comfort in its radius and it will get upped by one.
Wait till the next time you can build it to put it anywhere you want.
You can also enable debugmode and build it like that.

[strange carbon]

Hmm I built a fire and a bed near it but i still cant see it in my build menu

[proven dagger]

You can't build it at the moment, it is a seasonal item, only available during some part of the year.
Hence the debugmode to enable it to build it anywhere anytime.

[strange carbon]

Oh got you thnx. But when the season comes I will get it?

[proven dagger]

You would have had it even without finding a maypole as long as you have held the ingredients at least once.
Ingredients are: Wood, Dandelion and Thistle

From June, Maypoles are made temporarily buildable to celebrate Midsummer and then unbuildable in July.

[strange carbon]

Oh I see lol. I thought u had to find them to build them

[proven dagger]

By the way, what you did to voldermort's dad was not cool.

[strange carbon]

xD

[tardy vale]

why would you even try to use a tool on enemies?

[maiden tulip]

Scythes have been used as weapons throughout history, even specific war scythes have been used so not that far fetched 🙂

[proven dagger]

If I only have a hammer or screwdriver and someone attacks me I'll use the tool to defend myself.
Won't be dropping the tool and go "Oh, no that is a tool I can't attack you with it because it isn't a weapon."

[hearty beacon]

a number of farming tools have been repurposed for battle throughout history, farming flails being a prime example

[proven dagger]

That is also why the Dutch from the Netherlands have the nickname cheeseheads.
They used their buckets / barrels they used to make cheese in as makeshift helmets.

[hearty beacon]

wait what? i'm from the Netherlands and this is the first time i'm hearing about that 😂

[tardy vale]

um...

[maiden tulip]

yeah, check out the pic of the 17th century war scythe on wiki for a better example

[tardy vale]

so viking age. with a 1700th century weapon 🤔

[maiden tulip]

and magic fireballs 😄

[tardy vale]

yes

vikings belived in magic

[maiden tulip]

and scythes

[tardy vale]

vikings did not belive in 1700 century

[proven dagger]

https://zuivelonline.nl/waarom-worden-nederlanders-kaaskoppen-genoemd/

[tardy vale]

"Some sources suggest that the military scythe was developed more or less independently of the agricultural tool, but it seems to be generally agreed that the battlefield weapon was an evolution of the benign farming implement. The main difference between the two was the position of the blade. In farming, the blade was at a right angle to the wooden shaft with the cutting edge on the concave (or inner) side which allowed for sideways sweeping motions to thresh crops. In the modified war scythe, the blade – on the convex, or outer side – was in line with the pole which allowed for forceful forward thrusting and chopping."

sorry. the one you're getting is the one made for crops, not cutting down horses and light infantry

[hearty beacon]

i'm pretty sure scythes weren't used for threshing grain 😉

they did cut the crop, but not thresh it

[maiden tulip]

Not much difference here than the pickaxe doing damage, you´re swinging a sharp and pointy tool with a blade that can take off your thumb without issue against something. But a tool is a tool 🙂

[tardy vale]

try it ingame when it's out on PTB

[maiden tulip]

Im not arguing your decision in any way, just saying that a scythe can and have been used as a weapon with little issue.

A sharp schythe is not something to fool around with.

[tardy vale]

they basicly had to re-forge the scythe for battle duty tho

from these

[maiden tulip]

run that through someone and see what they say 😄

[tardy vale]

it's good for catching horse legs

[maiden tulip]

It's good for catching anything, put a scythe behind something and pull = instant serious damage

[tardy vale]

most un-armored targets

https://www.discoveryuk.com/military-history/the-war-scythe-from-farm-tool-to-battlefield-weapon/

this is a interesting read

[proven dagger]

Though if that gets to do damage to mobs, so should the building hammer, the hoe, the cultivator and the chain should be usable as weapon as well.
Maybe other tools or items should also be changed to accommodate tools doing damage to mobs.
Chairs, bottles from mead, ...

[maiden tulip]

I dont know how that thought process went, closest comparsion here is the pickaxe. And again, I'm not arguing any decision made, just that a scythe is far closer to a weapon than any other farming tool. It is proper dangerous to use if you have no clue what you are doing.

[proven dagger]

Anything can be used as a weapon if you are creative enough.

[maiden tulip]

Yeah..?

[frosty walrus]

The hammer, hoe and cultivator don't have attack animations (and the scythe probably will, like pickaxes), and the chain can't even be equipped

[proven dagger]

All true, just saying if one tool gets to attack shouldn't more get the same treatment?
Maybe even add some things that could be used as a weapon that aren't now, like the chain.

[maiden tulip]

@tardy vale interesting read as you said, evidence pointing to persians using some kind of chariot scythes as weapons at 400BC. Took them some time to figure out war scythes after that though 😄

[frosty walrus]

What would the scythe do as a weapon that other weapons don’t do already?

[tardy vale]

that one is like those Leonardo Da vinci weapons 😄

[modest moth]

Yes, one for combat, not the one for farming

[maiden tulip]

Where do you think the one made for war came from? Scythes was used as weapons by farmers, it was readily accessible and common.

[modest moth]

Yes, but a highly ineffective one.

You could probably use it to kill meadows enemies, but not anything above

[marsh sentinel]

Honestly, we're just not short of weapons.

[maiden tulip]

I don't understand how that is the point here. We discussed scythes potenial and usage as a weapon in general and that the request for it to do damage was not that far off considering what kind of a tool it is and how it have been used throughout history.

But yeah, disregard context and make it about enemy level in valheim if you want.

[maiden tulip]

For sure.

[marsh sentinel]

How isn't it the point? Adding anything to the game at this point, especially early in progression has to actually add something, not just aesthetics.

[modest moth]

I would not be surprised if it worked like the butcher knife. Even if it looks and behaves as a weapon, it can't be used as one

[tardy vale]

I know a secret. and you will have to wait and find it out about the scythe 👀

[maiden tulip]

I expanded on someone earlier mentioning a wish for a scythe doing damange and how that was not far off considering it's real world usage. In game was not even part of the discussion in that context.

[modest moth]

I just said that it could deal minimal dmg, but only enough to kill meadows creatures and for anything above you might as well use an actual weapon

[marsh sentinel]

Ingame wasn't part of the dicussion? Well, there's your problem. This isn't the History channel. Just because Vikings had something doesn't mean it should be in the game.

[maiden tulip]

No, this is the general channel where we can discuss things outside the game.

[marsh sentinel]

But you're not. You're discussing something you want in the game.

[maiden tulip]

No, I am not.

[marsh sentinel]

Then what has been the point of any of this?

[tardy vale]

stop arguing Derek

[maiden tulip]

What is the point of any discussion? We were talking about scythes and the history around it.

[rotund pewter]

You know many secrets Smiffe 🤭

[tardy vale]

I do

[storm anchor]

Nevertheless Scythe is cool addition to the game, even if it was meant to be used only as a tool for crops.

[crimson inlet]

Mace in every game is king

[proven dagger]

Unless the game is Russian roulette.

[grand obsidian]

Is it possible that TURNIP DESPAWNS

[lean fable]

planted ones? crops are attacked on sight by enemies, make sure your field is properly spawnproofed, it's possible that something spawned inside at night and despawned at dawn.

(or that a greydwarf or bow skeleton threw a rock/shot at them from outside if there isn't a proper wall)

[grand obsidian]

Alr got it

[fast trout]

Oof, of all crops to lose, turnips are the most painful...

[craggy haven]

Did they say Bog Witch will drop before Halloween?

[tardy vale]

nope

we never promise dates unless we ´put that information everywhere you won't miss it

[modest moth]

But people believe themselves to be special and expect a dev to answer that question to them specifically rather than just sharing it to the wide public

Anyway smiffe tell me the exact date and hour DN will release

[scenic wing]

Smiffe DMs you the answer

[marsh sentinel]

I suspect, as is often the case, they simply don't know.

[tardy vale]

well 🤔

of course we have a plan

[modest moth]

OMG he actually did tell me the date.

DN WILL RELEASE ON

[tardy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/za-warudo-jojo-bizarre-adventure-power-gif-14292027

[smoky scarab]

My wild guess is that they will release it when it's ready, tested and they are happy with the result

[chilly oak]

When will bog witch release? My guess is about three weeks

[south condor]

in the next weeks is all we know 🙂

[tardy vale]

Weaks? 🤔

[storm anchor]

Oh no, did Rianu survive??

[tardy vale]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-laughs-in-evil-laughing-myah-myaah-dasmemeistgut-gif-5356566587527840753

[umbral fog]

Lets just hope he did not use emerald splash 😄

Otherwise we would find him donutified somewhere

[lean fable]

strongs

[tardy vale]

Colds

[dense abyss]

Whoever did the little bar at the bottom of The Spill thing - putting the icon of the game they're discussing in the lower left so a person can easily scroll/scrub to the stuff they care about... that's some galaxy brain stuff.

As We Descend looks cool for folks into that sort of thing.

Can we talk about the stuff discussed in The Spill or no bc spoilers?

[gaunt ingot]

lol, the whole discord went wild talking about it day of

[tardy vale]

I mean it's public information 😄

unless you say that thing you're not suppose to say.. like @modest moth

[storm anchor]

||Release date of the DN||?

[umbral fog]

Shhhhhh, we know it is released on

[dense abyss]

I'm always late to the party hahahaha

[scenic wing]

It was definitely cool being part of it live, was fun!

@hard iron How’ve you been??

[hard iron]

I've been 😉 Busy more than anything, kid stuff, other games

[gaunt ingot]

SHOCKINGLY I was not for a change, but that's typically me too

[hard iron]

What's up with you? Anything new and exciting?

[scenic wing]

Hmm nothing really, baby turned 1 recently so that’s exciting! Getting a little easier to have a life again lol

Got a new job, starting Monday.

Getting settled into the new house, building furniture and fixing stuff constantly lol

[hard iron]

Yeah, things ebb and flow like that. I'm taking one of mine to get their learner's permit tomorrow.

[scenic wing]

Ooooh exciting stuff! Jeez time flies lol

[dense abyss]

They joked about a love potion but I get the feeling it would help with animal taming

[scenic wing]

Battle potion to increase spawn rate 😈

[frosty walrus]

It should work with necks

[umbral fog]

Taming potion to tame stuff you previously couldnt?

[dense abyss]

Taming potion to tame a lox in the wild, for example

[frosty walrus]

I don't care what it does as long as I can make the necks love me instead of eat me

[dense abyss]

Instead of the usual taming cycle - you can still tame in the wild, it just takes a long time and requires the player to be nearby etc

[frosty walrus]

Maybe it could temporarily tame them? That way there's still a reason to tame things the way we do now.

[umbral fog]

While they will not love you you can keep some in your base if you have campfire close to them 🙂

[gentle lion]

We really needed to show up better for the this-or-that where IG promised to make them tameable if the neck won.

[scenic wing]

They said that the Asksvin is an evolved neck during that bit 😂

[frosty walrus]

I thought necks were evolved asksvins. Why would the perfect creature need to evolve into anything else?

[shadow vault]

Has anyone ever created a bridge connecting two land masses together before?

[scenic wing]

Oh yeah, definitely

[shadow vault]

I would love to see what your bridge looks like

[gentle lion]

I have, mostly. Not in ocean, but between two swamp areas separated by a channel. Made it almost all the way but had one bit in the center that couldn't be raised enough so bridged it with wood.

[scenic wing]

I haven’t done it personally, but I’ve seen a handful of bridge builds 🙂

[gentle lion]

Ah...don't know why I read that as land bridge. Mine was not a build across, but raised terrain.

[tardy vale]

multiple times. just need a map that allows for it

[little veldt]

i think the opposite is harder: digging a functional canal that you can sail a boat through. bridges are cool but plentiful. the landscape has to allow a canal.

[shadow vault]

See that's cool, I tried that initially but I had such a hard time seeing the bottom floor of the ocean

[gaunt ingot]

yeah it's hard to get it deep enough because the water will prevent you from standing and digging further--the catapult deals pickaxe damage I think, I wonder if anyone's tried using catapults to blast out a canal, like what happens when the shot hits the surface of water?

[little veldt]

also there's max depth/max height. sometimes you think you have a good route for a canal, but you can't actually go deep enough.

[shadow vault]

That's a great question

[gaunt ingot]

good point

[south condor]

?

literally what Jonathan said

[gentle lion]

It would be hard to do for anything that got deep as ocean, but two close land areas separated by shallows might be doable.

[shadow vault]

I find that raising the ground a little bit then putting pillars inside that ground, works the best for these bridges

[dense abyss]

I interpreted that comment similar to how id Software always said "2 weeks" in the run-up to the Quake release (... that makes me feel old) but also thought it seemed reasonable considering (from what I gathered) most of the stuff was done and tested. Plus it fits with the time of year.

[south condor]

yeah

[fast trout]

I think the correct response is always "five minutes, Turkish".

[tardy vale]

or "between now and somewhat later" in swedish 😄

[tardy vale]

we almost never ever tried to time something with a specific date to avoid crunchtime and un-nessessary stress

[dense abyss]

I wonder how much crunch time and unnecessary stress contribute to the disaster releases we've seen in a few AAA titles over the last few years. I gotta think it's a non-trivial contributor.

People in such a hurry to get things out the door that they just stop caring about quality and whether something is actually fun to play.

[tardy vale]

to many people

[spark thunder]

Approaching 100%

[tardy vale]

since I started in the gaming industry. I hear it almost montly how people just "die on the inside" from stress on projects

or people just leave studios due to stress

it's a huge reason so many want to go into Indie game dev studios

or small teams

[dense abyss]

I've played every Fallout and Elder Scrolls game and have like, 1% desire to play Starfield. By comparison, if some random dude approached me on the street and said "Michael - I heard you like Valheim. Wanna start a new character and server with me?" I'd have at least 90% desire to do that.

[spark thunder]

I was very glad to hear that IG don't do crunch. Crunch is the worst.

[dense abyss]

The best dev experiences I've had were on small teams. I've been on some small teams that sucked but I kid you not, every single one of thosethe thing that caused me to seek greener pastures was crunch-time BS.

[tardy vale]

yes

totally agree

a handful times we had to push dates on things. for good reasons and I am eternally thankful that we don't have set dates promised to public or journalists so we can move planned things to prevent issues

[dense abyss]

Something that kinda surprised me about the Spill thing - it seems like IG is mostly embracing an emergent design philosophy for Valheim. That there's not a very specific grand overarching vision and it's more "We'll see how we feel when we get there."

[tardy vale]

yup 😄

what is missing. lets add that

good plan

then we won't end up with something stupid that doesn't work out in the end

[dense abyss]

My own control-freak/not-comfortable-with-not-planning tendencies would freak out about that and I feel addressing some of those tendencies might benefit me not only in my creative/technical pursuits but in my life in-general.

[tardy vale]

most games takes 5-8 years to develop

imagine if you wheren't allowed to adapt as game engines advance, ideas grows and people become better at there jobs and can do higher quality things

[dense abyss]

There's this old Laurel and Hardy skit where they're delivering a piano. It's typical Laurel and Hardy hijinks getting the thing up the stairs but when they knock on the guy's door, no one is home. So they gotta take the piano back down and of course it ends up in a mangled pile of ivory and wood at the bottom of the steps.

I like to think the emergent design philosophy sends someone to the top of the stairs (without lugging the piano up first) is that.

It lets you adjust to changing information and conditions without the thing ending up a mangled unplayable mess.

Similarly many AAA releases get attention the same way a piano crashing down stairs gets attention

[tardy vale]

well

big games -> big publisher -> big money

big money -> publisher who demands strict release shedules from game-devs

hence the whole stress and crunchtimes come from basicly

[gaunt ingot]

it is funny/curious how it does seem consistently like the most 'succesful' by measure of concentration of money and/or profitability are ALSO the worst

worst product quality to dollar ratio for consumers, worst employers to work for for employee job satisfaction, worst in terms of business practices like cutting corners, polluting the environment, etc., most ruthless in pursuing profit

[dense abyss]

I'm a big advocate of agile methodologies for that reason and it's always interesting to me how the dogmatic application of those principles results in almost the exact same failure patterns as the waterfall method. Frequent delivery doesn't help because people like new shiny stuff, frequently delivery helps because it gets you immediate feedback.

[spark thunder]

Throw 'big IP' into that mix...

[dense abyss]

Also without getting too political private equity seems to ruin everything

[tardy vale]

yeah 😦

[dense abyss]

At least anything where creativity and passion contribute significantly to the finished product

[dense abyss]

That's the thing that puzzles me. I'd be worried about squandering a good reputation with garbage.

[tardy vale]

stress -> less inovations -> worse game

I've stop counting how many games launches with huge parts of the game missing, or are almost unplayable due to issues and bugs

things that cannot be solved by crunchtime 😦

[true pendant]

I feel like most older games have more of a "soul" in them

[tardy vale]

there is a cheat nowdays. it called "online service and updates"

look at cyberpunk. how many years did it take from unplayable at launch. to a good working game?

2 years? 1.5?

[spark thunder]

once an IP gets big enough, the people that handle IP licensing don't understand the things they're licensing the IP for - video game, lunch box, whatever - it's all the same.

[dense abyss]

Which to their credit - it's decent now but I gotta think they lost a lot of players (like me) that got a bad taste in their mouths and never looked back

[spark thunder]

Heck, they often don't even understand the IP!

[tardy vale]

same for me 😦

[dense abyss]

My friend who turned me onto Valheim said it's really good now so I might give it another try. His recommendations are usually pretty solid.

[tardy vale]

well. you might need the DLC also 🤔

[true pendant]

the what?

[dense abyss]

Yeah I'm not giving them more money, I already feel like I paid too much for it

[tardy vale]

I refunded

I have my own rule about setting a timer for 1.5 hour

[true pendant]

Oh yeah

[tardy vale]

if I don't like a game in that time. I stop trying and refund

[dense abyss]

Dude that's a serious Gamer Pro Tip right there

[true pendant]

CD has a pretty bad rep with 1st releases, even back to Witcher 1

[dense abyss]

Yeah I bought Cities Skylines 2 and refunded when I couldn't get enough FPS to click the "Begin Game" button or whatever it was.

[scenic wing]

Extremely good point, needs to be on a plaque 😂

[true pendant]

Do you all think most modern games are too focused on realism? Both photorealism and mechanical realism?

[dense abyss]

Yes and no.

[zealous anchor]

im more against photorealism cause, well... i cant run something that looks liek real life lol

[tardy vale]

to many games made daily to even answer that 😄

[dense abyss]

For photorealism - yeah. I think having realistic light simulation is good but trying to make it look just like real-life - when it adds nothing to the game - is useless. Games should be fun first.

There was this game Trespasser that came out in the 90s.

And their attempts to lean into realism just ended up making it unwieldy and not fun

[tardy vale]

and that's only on steam

not on GOG, Epic Games, there own launchers

etc

etc

etc

[dense abyss]

I think a better question is - do those elements serve the game? It's kinda like virtuosity in music - it has it's place but if the goal is getting people to shake their butts, it only goes so far.

[tardy vale]

depend on the game IMHO

for a hack and slash MMORPG game. I don't understand hyper realism 😄

[dense abyss]

Driving and flight sims come to mind - they benefit from that sort of thing.

But even then I frickin love me some Mario Kart

[true pendant]

See Valheim doesn't try, either department.

Does it make realistic sense that it takes 30 iron bars to upgrade this weapon? No

Does it make sense in the context of progression & getting the latest and greatest? Sure.

[tardy vale]

does it have to make sence?

[true pendant]

Was similar to Valheim in most older games, kept it simple

Now you got fallout 4 saying you need 4 screws, 10 springs, 8 steel, 2000 aluminum, and 1 wood to make the thing

It's preferable to keep it simple

[dense abyss]

I feel Valheim neatly addresses that with the resource rate modifier. My guess is at some point they discussed making crafting recipes tunable but after realizing how much work it takes to make an in-game menu to tweak every recipe/etc, resource rate felt like a good enough solution

[frosty walrus]

I don’t think it’s ever a good idea for a game to do something only because it’s ‘realistic’ or ‘immersive’ or whatever.

[dense abyss]

Gruictor (sorry I hate @'ing people) - have you played Project Zomboid?

[true pendant]

No, but I've seen it

[dense abyss]

They lean heavily into realistic mechanics and some of it does feel SUPER grindy but at the same time, it really adds to the sense of accomplishment/feeling like you earned it.

I've crafted several Frostners in my Valheim playing time and every time, without fail, my first thought upon crafting is "that was a lot of work but 100% worth it"

My point being I think it's less a matter of realism and more a matter of making the mountain tall enough that the player feels like climbing the mountain was worth it

[true pendant]

harvest ingredient A, B, C, E

process ingredients B and C to make material D

use ingredient A+D+E to make item

^this is the worst that crafting gets in Valheim, it's not terrible

Other games like to do more like

A+B = C
C + D = E
F + G = H
E + H = I
J + K = L
L + M = O
I + O = thing

[strange carbon]

It's like the most simple, but also most beautiful graphics I've ever seen

[true pendant]

Nobody wants this (unless they want a headache [satisfactory, lookin at you])

[manic furnace]

Agree

[tardy vale]

I blame all the shaders we use 😄

[dense abyss]

... I always thought that was part of the point of Satisfactory. You craft a few of them by hand to get things going but they give you all the tools necessary to automate it. Without the increasing complexity of manufacturing lines, I feel the game would get dull really fast.

[true pendant]

Yes but it's the point of that game to do that, it doesn't really belong in adventure RPGs

[dense abyss]

I can see that.

[true pendant]

Yet it seems to be creeping in, becoming a standard

[dense abyss]

But also the game I'm trying to build is almost exactly that - the combination of Valheim, Satisfactory, and Project Zomboid. The goal is creating a cure to the zombie disease but it requires a fairly complex manufacturing setup.

[true pendant]

Ever play ARK? BLEH

[dense abyss]

I think that's partially because building the exact same game everyone else has built gets old after a while and games need new elements/experiences to stay fresh

[dense abyss]

A little but not extensively.

But I'm familiar with the grindy aspect of it and how many folks find it not-fun.

[true pendant]

(Good concept, terrible studio, terrible construction)

[tardy vale]

🤔

[true pendant]

🤨

[dense abyss]

but also I've felt similar things - I call it "the ktichen sink effect" where every game now seems to have crafting/etc. One of the newer Tomb Raider games had stuff like that and I felt it really distracted from the parts of Tomb Raider I enjoy most but still felt necessary.

[true pendant]

There's this paradox, modern perception.

"This thing makes a game good" + "needs to be new & radical"

Old designs didn't suffer from this, they had no notion of "this is what is right to do"

[dense abyss]

"Old" feels like a really relative term. Mind if I ask what your first gaming experiences were? There's no measuring contest here, it purely for frame-of-reference

And asking how old you are doesn't really inform that either as I know a lot of folks my age (40s) that recently started gaming despite having been around since pre-Space Invaders

[true pendant]

Gotta be civ4, maybe civ3, I'm about as old as civ4

[dense abyss]

K despite being old I haven't played a lot of the Civ games but as an example, if they introduced RTS elements into Civilization, would you see that as a positive or negative thing?

[true pendant]

They kind of do in multiplayer, concurrent turn taking, turns it into a button mashing contest (from what I've seen I don't do multi around there)

The design is supposed to be turn-based, I'd say it'd probably be negative if they had already made a release as turn-based*

That being said, Civ 7 comming out, If it turned out to be more of an RTS - I wouldn't really mind, because it's a different game

I really have no qualms about playing old-old games (NES is still working), there're elements I like and some of the design solutions to the technical limitations are pretty clever

[dense abyss]

And part of the reason you continue playing the Civ games is because each new entry in the series, while being faithful to its predecessors, also introduces interesting new elements that change how you play the game? I agree with you that "new for the sake of novelty" isn't a great reason to add something to a game but I also understand the connection between dopamine and novelty and how the combination of those things keeps me gaming.