Feedback Requests

[trail bane]

I find it easier when im standing but I do try when im singing

idk why..

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTIqSnVOf_A

[trail bane]

because when im playing guitar I have good pitch perception

[vale vapor]

3:35 is my feature on this song

I sing my highest note here

I also produced this song

[trail bane]

I wanna sing like that

[vale vapor]

Those backing harmonies are a G#5 LOL

my highest note in mixed voice

[trail bane]

I wanna have sick high vocals, while also doing sick high fry screams and low gutterals

[vale vapor]

based

[trail bane]

ive always been a guitarist tho

[vale vapor]

same

you can do them all together

I do with my band

except i cant scream

[trail bane]

i hate learning to scream

its so damn hard

[vale vapor]

same

i can't figure it out

[trail bane]

because i dont know what im doing right without a coach

I mean I can show u how I did my fry screams

they're easier

im still not great at them tho

i hate times omg

my mum is asleep so I cant do anything

I cant do quiet screams

[vale vapor]

LOL

[trail bane]

i move out september

but Ill probably get complaints from people at my accomodation

[karmic plinth]

So have i

[trail bane]

peak

[timber forum]

is this okay tone?

i feel like i cut too much

[trail bane]

you can never cut too much

[balmy forum]

YOOO AUD DWELLEERRRR

I’m not alone anymore

[karmic plinth]

We're in the same timezone lol (i can see in your bio) haha

[balmy forum]

Oh damn where are you?

[karmic plinth]

You absolutely can cut top much haha

[balmy forum]

Yeah you definitely can lol, unless your going for slam

[vale vapor]

Sounds like something is clipping but the tone itself sounds pretty good

[balmy forum]

Mid tones are just cooler imo

[karmic plinth]

At risk of doxing to people I dont know super well id like not to answer specifics ha, but same time zone

[vale vapor]

more note definition

[trail bane]

agreed ngl

[timber forum]

hmm, i have a clip on but idk

[balmy forum]

lol fair enough it was a weird question

[timber forum]

khs clipper just taking off a liitle peaks

[karmic plinth]

As long as respect is given when not wanting to answer, im okay with weird questions haha

[vale vapor]

It's audible

You don't want audible clipping

If it's clipping, turn down the track til no longer clipping

[trail bane]

no one wants clipping

[timber forum]

how to tell if its clipping? im not getting any orange or red on gain meter

[vale vapor]

It's your clipper then

Just take off the clipper

[versed remnant]

finally having an android phone means custom noti and call noises

[timber forum]

ah okay

[trail bane]

NAH THATS SICK

[karmic plinth]

Genuine question, what is the point of a clipper?

[versed remnant]

because this is ringing both you and me

[vale vapor]

Shaves off peaks

point is to distort or "clip" a signal

[trail bane]

i need to use one ngl

[vale vapor]

you don't want audible clipping on stuff like guitar, etc, but it can be useful for drums, limiting, or electronic music

[balmy forum]

Shaves peaks and helps with loudness sometimes

I think

[trail bane]

what daws do u guys use

[balmy forum]

Correct me if I’m wrong

[karmic plinth]

Isnt that the point of a limiter

[vale vapor]

reaper

[karmic plinth]

Cakewalk, slowly moving to reaper

[vale vapor]

limiter "pushes" down the sound while preserving data. Clipper LITERALLY shaves it off resulting in a click sound

[balmy forum]

Reaper on pro tools mode and ableton

[trail bane]

i use pro tools

[balmy forum]

Ew

[trail bane]

got one of the versions free with focusrite lmao

[timber forum]

reaper

[vale vapor]

switch to reaper instantly lol

pro tools is bad

[trail bane]

I always have to google how to split a track because its a pain in the ass

[karmic plinth]

Same, hated them
Found cakewalk
I like it

[vale vapor]

😭

[balmy forum]

It’s not bad, it’s a good daw, it’s just very corpo

That’s the only problem

[trail bane]

I have reaper

[timber forum]

reaper tips theme ❤️

[vale vapor]

bad aka the free version is so limited you can't use it

[balmy forum]

I really liked the ui of pro tools

[balmy forum]

Use reatools then

[vale vapor]

Yes

correct answer

[karmic plinth]

I say just use what you like lol

[vale vapor]

That is also the correct answer

but some things will be more limited or less flexible than others

[balmy forum]

Unless it’s above 1 grand

Then ur just stupid

[karmic plinth]

I used Protools in High school, it was fine st that time (15 years ago)
Ableton I couldn't figure out
Cubase I couldn't figure out
Reaper is alright so far, I just need to play with it more
Cakewalk is dummy simple lol

[trail bane]

i need to figure out how to use reaper

[vale vapor]

Reaper Mania on youtube

[balmy forum]

It’s great, I love reaper

[vale vapor]

he's an employee

[karmic plinth]

My issue is im just too used to Cakewalk and too stubbon

[trail bane]

ive had reaper for over a year

ive opened it 10 times

[trail bane]

bet ty

[karmic plinth]

And not big in change once I'm used to something ha

[balmy igloo]

needs more brickwall

[trail bane]

bro im watching a video about getting good guitar mixes and this guy is on about using specific amps and cabs and shit when the plugin I have forces u to use a single cab with each of their amps 💔

i cant afford all this archetype shit

[vale vapor]

archetype is ehh

i prefer my free amps lol

[trail bane]

and ive used the free trials for all of them 💔

[karmic plinth]

Ignore them

[trail bane]

not like I have a choice lmao

[karmic plinth]

Xenon just got me onto a really good one that mimics So man amps

[trail bane]

what one

i use TONEX rn

[balmy forum]

Legion or nam, it’s simple

Or make ur own

[vale vapor]

heres a recent mix i did ENTIRELY with free plugins

[karmic plinth]

NAM Universal

Its free

[trail bane]

yeah fair

[vale vapor]

Guitar, drums, mastering, EVERYTHING is all free plugs

[karmic plinth]

And have like 100 amps samples or something

[balmy forum]

Lolll

[trail bane]

theres a reason i didnt use nam for some reason

i have it

idk why i dont use it

[vale vapor]

NAM Universal is much better

[karmic plinth]

You shared this in the other chat right?

[vale vapor]

NAM Og is a bit buggy

Yes

[balmy forum]

Not a great ui as well

[vale vapor]

Yeah

and no stereo processing

[karmic plinth]

Nah im with Xenon Nam Universal is chefs kiss

Im now getting the tones I wanted

[trail bane]

bro goddamn 😭

[karmic plinth]

My IRL Amp is an Orange Micro Dark

[balmy forum]

Mhm yummy

[trail bane]

i have a boss katana 50 mkII

[vale vapor]

I would love to start micing real cabs but i'm broke

lol

(BUY MY PRODUCTS RAGH)

:)

[balmy forum]

I have a really rare evh focusrite scarlett

[trail bane]

also broke

sorry buddy

[vale vapor]

LOL

[trail bane]

I have a scarlet solo

[karmic plinth]

The what?

I have Scarlet solo gen 3

[trail bane]

i cant remember what gen mine is

[karmic plinth]

I think thats why we're all here tbh haha

[vale vapor]

🥲

[trail bane]

yeah mine is also third gen

[karmic plinth]

I think most people have 3rd gen of 4th gen

[vale vapor]

i dont use scarlett

they're not very good

[trail bane]

someone send me thick tones for NAM universal

[vale vapor]

i have a komplete audio 1

[karmic plinth]

I like the inerface, some of the software it comes with is meh, but I like addictive drums and Addictive piano

[trail bane]

cheap

[vale vapor]

the default Tim ii 5150 is gas

wait let me drop a bomb for u guys

[trail bane]

bet

[vale vapor]

ill send the one ive been using for like all my tones lately

[balmy forum]

lol

[vale vapor]

lol

[trail bane]

i need a bunch of irs ngl

I have an ir pedal that i dont use

[balmy forum]

I’ve been loving fort nameless (not free but it’s really cool)

[vale vapor]

but honestly the default NAM U Ir is REALLY good

(IR 1)

[trail bane]

peak

[trail bane]

oh shit fair

[karmic plinth]

I dont know what IR is

[vale vapor]

cabinet simulator

simulates a real life amp cabinet

[karmic plinth]

I see it, I use it, no idea what it means haha

[vale vapor]

It stands for Impulse Response

[karmic plinth]

Ah okay, got ya

[vale vapor]

yeeee

[karmic plinth]

But yes, NAM Universal is the play

[vale vapor]

Fact

[trail bane]

bro the delay

on nam universal

the actual app not the plugin

is atrocious

[vale vapor]

I never install the standalone apps

[karmic plinth]

I love Valhalla super massive for the delay

[trail bane]

wait no

Im a dick

[vale vapor]

LOL

[trail bane]

I was using Windows audio and i didnt realise it 💀

[vale vapor]

LOLL

[trail bane]

same

[vale vapor]

im weird i use serum 2 for delay lol

serum 2 fx module

[trail bane]

isnt serum 2 like

fuckin

ridiculously expensive

250 usd...

[vale vapor]

I bought serum 1 for $130 like 10 years ago and i got the upgrade for free

[trail bane]

damn

I had a crack of serum 1

[vale vapor]

It's worth the money imo

[trail bane]

but none of the presets worked because they required a newer version so I gave up on it

[vale vapor]

It has inSANE capabilities

[trail bane]

I have vital rn, doesnt fuckin work with pro tools

[trail bane]

i can imagine

serum 1 is nuts on its own

[vale vapor]

serum 2 adds more oscillators and is like the first virtual synth to use SPECTRAL oscillators and morphing

it's crazy

oh and on top of that you can even load soundfonts and sound banks 😭

Insanity

[trail bane]

insane

sound design is so cool

I have 2 career paths I love but need to choose one option 💔

[vale vapor]

nah do both

i do both

lol

do everything

life is fun

[trail bane]

fair

[vale vapor]

Enjoy doing what you like

[trail bane]

both is software tbf

bro why is Marigold by Periphery so goddamn awkward

cant play ts clean for the life of me

I changed the ir now i cant find ir 1

ffs

i genuinely dont know where it is

[balmy forum]

Lolllll

[balmy forum]

lol I did a mix of prayer position a bit ago

Periphery is so cool

.

[trail bane]

i posted a cover of the breakdown for marigold on tiktok

[trail bane]

damn thats sick

[trail bane]

slammy

sexy

I made this ages ago 😭

[timber forum]

kiddo is not feeling vibing with dad tonight so this is as far as im getting tonight with tone, excuse my playing, just trying to dial in guitar tone lol

love it

[trail bane]

a bit too bassy

[trail bane]

peak

[timber forum]

yeah but nothing that cant be fixed. that tone is sick

[vale vapor]

hahahah

[vale vapor]

sounds pretty good ngl

[vale vapor]

thats nice actually

[timber forum]

yes finally lol

[trail bane]

idk what i used or how to get it back...

[vale vapor]

LOL

[timber forum]

Should I bump the high end a tad now? . Mids are pretty up on amp so idk why it’s still scooped. Maybe an ea issue in my end

[vale vapor]

literally just crank up the mids knob on the amp

Like how do your amp knobs look

This is generally how mine are lookin

with adjustments depending on the mix

[vale vapor]

Looks pretty good to me

[timber forum]

So call it a decent tone? Or try to boost a little more mids?

[vale vapor]

You could boost more if you wanted, it's up to how you think it sounds

Maybe use a reference track

[timber forum]

Slammy modern ish deathcore. I think it’s close to how I want it

[vale vapor]

sick!

[timber forum]

Thanks for your help!!

[vale vapor]

anytime man

[karmic plinth]

Now if someone can teach me to Pig squeal I'll be golden

[trail bane]

same

I just recorded a riff idea on my phone omg it sounds so shit with the phone audio

and also cuz its coming from my pc and my guitar

and im using a pitch shifter 💔

[timber forum]

think i got this one a little better too

[karmic plinth]

Guitar tone sounds much better

I think once levelled and mix this will sounds sick as fuck

[timber forum]

Dope! I gotta start writing some stuff for the band but in between Imma actually turn this into something

Nice that I have a six string tone I’m happy with now lol

What’s everyone’s guitars looking like? I wanna see pics

[karmic plinth]

This is just a stock image but this is what i use

[karmic plinth]

I'd like to have a 7 string but eh, maybe one day

[timber forum]

Here’s mine. I love schecters. I want to change the pickups in the reaper one day . Something hotter

[karmic plinth]

Its on the cheaper side but I've been looking at the Jackson JS22 DKA 6 string the JS 22-7 7 string

[timber forum]

I like Jackson . They feel good

[karmic plinth]

I've mostly only ever playe dfender or gibson/Epiphone

Which I like, I like the LP Body type

[timber forum]

There was something special about this charvel

Back when I was a Ltd fanboy

[karmic plinth]

Would you consider any of these good band names?

Yes I know some are songs, I think they're neat

First Sight
Ashes of All
Savior of None
Shaped by Fire
Her Voice Resides

The Fallen Ones

Fall Harbour

[timber forum]

I like first sight and fall harbor!

[strong pebble]

First sight

[vale vapor]

Her voice resides kinda unique

[karmic plinth]

Funnily enough, First Sight is a TDWP song, and Fall Harbour is a play on Fallarbor Town from Pokemon haha

and her Voice Resides is a Bullet for My Valentine song

and I love BFMV

I thought this list at that 2003-2010 metalcore sound for names

[karmic plinth]

Alright, Got my name sorted. Now to finish my shit and make a logo, thank you for the help gang

[trail bane]

im learning reaper 🔥

[balmy forum]

im back

[trail bane]

peak

yk what woukld be a sick band name

the new Crown Magnetar song

"Impaled Genesis"

[balmy forum]

too long

not enough ring imo

[trail bane]

how on earth is that too long 😭

i get the other part

[formal hedge]

Same

[trail bane]

peak

[formal hedge]

Crunch setting, gain at 45, booster at 100 with Tube Screamer 👌

[balmy forum]

45?

[formal hedge]

45/100 lol

45/10 would be wild

[balmy forum]

bro thats not the settings lol, the gain is a 10 dial

its 4.5 no?

[formal hedge]

In the boss katana software it dials 1-100

[formal hedge]

But in general it would be 4.5

[balmy forum]

thats stupid ;p

[formal hedge]

I think it's because the dials don't lock into 1-10 positions, meaning (in a situation where the amp is 1-10) if you dialed the amp with a setting between the software would just default to something that sounds different.

[balmy forum]

just dial it until it sounds gool lol

[formal hedge]

Yeah basically

[trail bane]

i dont think it really matters that much

[idle shoal]

Just trying again, sorry if not allowed

Hard to find feedback sometimes😅

[vale vapor]

Lot going on here, vocals are kinda "buzzy" sounding and have too much treble. Guitar sounds like it's kinda overshadowed by everything else. Just a bit too much processing overall

The bass frequencies are also super muddy and overlapping

[idle shoal]

Thanks!!!

I'm self taught in this production thing so I appreciate the feedback

[vale vapor]

Hey me too

[idle shoal]

Vocals had some distortion, could be the culprit
Guitars going through altar amp, it's extremely icey but has a great stringey sound you can get out of it, probably need more time with it

Bass i most likely forgot to side chain, I think, I'll have to open it up later and do an update

[vale vapor]

I think some better EQ moves could be made overall, kinda keeping everything to its own frequency range

[idle shoal]

Yeahhh for sure

I think I'm watching too many production videos and need to use my ears more, so much conflicting info about eq out there

[vale vapor]

Ahh yeah i get that

Honestly EQ is just sound shaping. I try not to boost more than i need to, i try not to make moves over like 5 db

If you're having to EQ something a TON just to get it to sound alright, change your source sound

[idle shoal]

If I remember correctly this one was very surgical so that could be the problem

Yeah what u said

By source sound, do you mean the amp or the DI?

Might have to use a different amp since it's naturally so icy

Or maybe an EQ before the amp

[vale vapor]

Amp

Wdym by icy?

[vale vapor]

this also is a secret weapon

it affects how the amp distorts the guitar, and changes harmonics in really interesting ways

[idle shoal]

Loads of 4K to 10K

[vale vapor]

oh dang lol

[vale vapor]

If you have really old strings, you can put a high shelf before the amp and it almost fixes it 😂

[idle shoal]

Yeah it's almost required to cut with that amp

[vale vapor]

dang i'd just use a different amp

[idle shoal]

For sure trying this one

[vale vapor]

I pretty much only use free amp models

NAM Universal

LePou amps

[idle shoal]

Nice

This one was free too. It's altar

I usually use otto 1111

[vale vapor]

I dont think ive actually heard of those

weirdly enough

[wraith hare]

oh i know otto audio ii ii ii ii

used it for some time

but pod farm is >>>>>

especially if you're trying to make 2010s style sturgis metalcore

[vale vapor]

pod farm is just good in general

[wraith hare]

indeed

also those presets are so based

[idle shoal]

They are pretty new still

[wraith hare]

here's a track i mixed in style of sturgis but the stems are poorly done

vocals are very tricky here

[vale vapor]

oh yeah those vocal stems kinda sucked

[wraith hare]

yeap

vocalist kinda sounds like frankie palmeri ngl

[karmic plinth]

Id agree with the highs where its kind of not closing the nouth and everything starts with a Y

[wraith hare]

He sounds like palmeri in places where he talks before doing harsh vocals

[wraith hare]

0:20

[vale vapor]

true

[wraith hare]

palmeri has cool gargling sound on his highs

listening to speaker of the dead rn

i think it's ssd snare 11a

[karmic plinth]

@vale vapor makeshift vocal booth since my shit doesnt reach the nearest wardrobe

Ignore my abismal cable management

[vale vapor]

holy 😂

Thats wild but i get it

[balmy forum]

lol that is sick

[vale vapor]

We recorded our first EP vocals under a blanket

standing by my desk lol

[formal hedge]

Unironically what I typically do

[balmy forum]

also holy queenslander flooring lol

[vale vapor]

you record vocals?

[formal hedge]

Yeah

Not often though

[vale vapor]

now i gotta hear them

[balmy forum]

i usually ask my clients to do it that way

[formal hedge]

I have one that's processed but I was in an untreated closet

[karmic plinth]

Weighted blanket behibd Mic
Foldable camper mattress behind me and then a doona on top for overhead reflections ha

[karmic plinth]

This may have doxed my state haha

[formal hedge]

With a phone mic 😂

[balmy forum]

every time i ask them to do it in a closet, they record it in an empty closet

[balmy forum]

LOL mb

[karmic plinth]

Oh nah i meant because you were asking me yesterday haha

[balmy forum]

oh haha

[karmic plinth]

I may add another blanket on the floor to help with under foot reflections but i may he overkill

[vale vapor]

oh my

[formal hedge]

Yeah I know

It's not great

[balmy forum]

sounds like your just making a cubby house

[balmy forum]

bro just killed the convo

[formal hedge]

Dogshit recording quality killed chat

[balmy forum]

eh its fine everyone starts somwhere

[formal hedge]

I know how to do this stuff I just couldn't when I did this

[balmy forum]

your still starting out, its fine to not know

id say your are just above soundwave when it somes to mixing, you will get better though

[karmic plinth]

Ssshhhh

[karmic plinth]

And Ive only been mixing for a month lol

[balmy forum]

yeah your like extremly good for that amout of time man

[formal hedge]

With the way Soundwave is sounding rn I'm taking that as a compliment ngl

[balmy forum]

lol ok

[karmic plinth]

Is that a compliment to me or an insult to me haha

[formal hedge]

compliment absolutely, for a month's experience you are elite

[karmic plinth]

Nah thanks dude

Im recording vocals today finally and going to try mixing so I guess I'll be posting a bit here later

[balmy forum]

hell yeah, send me the stems if you can

[karmic plinth]

Ill do that song from yesterday too haha

[balmy forum]

lol ty

really happy with this

well i forgot to mix a stem lol

[vale vapor]

Vocals need a bit more compression, also theres a weird hiss in a few of the vocal parts

sounds good otherwise tho

[balmy forum]

lol im running gr, 1176 and a 2a

how much do you need

[vale vapor]

the cleans just sound a bit inconsistent in areas

make sure the gain reduction (not the plugin) is actually happening

[runic adder]

what song is this holy

[balmy forum]

cutthoat

[runic adder]

dope

i need to listen to more blessthefall lowk

[balmy forum]

i love them

[runic adder]

i love hollow bodies lol

[timber forum]

Got the full version of deviant drums. Dialed in the tone better. I’m really likening the sound. Short ass snippet but what o could get out before getting the hay

[balmy forum]

use a different snare and boost that room

[timber forum]

But I want that snare sound lol

[balmy forum]

its like a marching snare tho

[timber forum]

It’s the deathcore ping bruh lmao

[balmy forum]

turn down the bottom snare

turn up the rrom

[timber forum]

Bro I’m not even mixing lol, this is just out the box

[balmy forum]

just because its called that doesnt mean its good

[timber forum]

But if I think it’s good then??

[balmy forum]

ah pl

[balmy forum]

its great if you think its good but in this occasion its a bit too snare bottom

im a bit busy rn

[timber forum]

I mean yeah but it’s probably gonna change some when I actually start mixing it. It’s just a preset on the drums. Im not going for a modern metalcore or deathcore snare.

[karmic plinth]

@timber forum @balmy forum @vale vapor

Alright its done

I need to obviously mix the vocals and fix my levels but some generic eq and generic reverb and this is the result

[balmy forum]

much betterrrrr

[karmic plinth]

Ive never recorded for this song haha so im impressed with how it sounds so far

[timber forum]

This is nice I like it

[balmy forum]

im exited to mix it, ill give you a rundown when im done too

[karmic plinth]

I think that was a different song, but can do this one if you prefer lol

[balmy forum]

lol whatever you want man

[karmic plinth]

Im easy, free mix is a free mix haha

[balmy forum]

what is your fav

[karmic plinth]

My fav what?

[balmy forum]

out of the 2 songs that you posted

[karmic plinth]

Probably this one because its actually a complete song haha

The ithers i have are full instrumentals but i havent finished lyrics

[balmy forum]

sick, i can do this one if youd like

[timber forum]

@karmic plinth what do you think of the tone?

[karmic plinth]

Dude thats a significantly better tone than yesterday I think

Idk what im talking about but i dig it anyway

[vale vapor]

Vocals are a bit loud overall, this is cool though

Balance of everything could be a lot better, but that's something that you'll get better at with experience

[timber forum]

This is my 7 string but yeah I like it

[karmic plinth]

Oh yeah i know
I havent played with levels yet

[vale vapor]

ah gotcha

[karmic plinth]

Its also only got like some preset reverb and preset eq on it

[formal hedge]

Dude your voice is amazing

[formal hedge]

Preset EQ? Never heard of that

[balmy forum]

its what you use

[formal hedge]

Never used a preset for any EQ curve

So I'm going to assume you mean the very basic way most things are EQ'd

[balmy forum]

i thought you diddnt know what it was

[formal hedge]

Well I know what presets are but I've never heard of people using presets on their EQ

[karmic plinth]

No, I don't normally, it was just so it didn't like something Gordon Ramsay would yell at me for gha

[balmy forum]

lol

[balmy forum]

just finished this, now im onto @karmic plinth song

[karmic plinth]

Alright, I've just spent the last nearly two hours attempting to mix, including Gain staging, EQ and what not,

How are we sounding?

[karmic plinth]

Also i missed this before, thank you!

[formal hedge]

Do you mind sending these stems? I wanna try my hand at mixing it

[wraith hare]

same lol

i wanna try to mix it myself too

[balmy forum]

wel looks like usa just woke up holy

[vale vapor]

Brooo this sounds super good!!

ggs!

Imo theres a tad too much reverb on the vocals

Vocals could also use a lot more compression

don't be afraid of overcompressing vocals

In metal, vocals need to be super compressed in order to cut through

Clean vocal sections need some more clear EQing and less verb for sure

[formal hedge]

@vale vapor @runic adder for whatever reason the bass is pretty much inaudible. Any idea why?

[runic adder]

have you considered turning up the fader?

[runic adder]

jokes aside, how do you process the bass? can I hear it solo? I think i hear it here

[wraith hare]

to me bass is just a thing to fill up empty harmonics in the mix

[runic adder]

erm actually bass is an instrument used to add depth to and ground a mix that prominently features midrange instruments that take up the sides of a mix

[wraith hare]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

[runic adder]

i do hear the bass here, i think it lacks some sub which is probably what you mean by inaudible?

[formal hedge]

Huh

I literally couldn't hear it

But there is a high pass

[runic adder]

I mean it is a little quiet

Homie

Hwat

[formal hedge]

A high pass at about 50-60hz?

[vale vapor]

turn it up

and dont highpass it

[runic adder]

I’m out of the house for the next 20 minutes but please answer my questions and I can get back to ya when I get home

[vale vapor]

i highpass my bass a like below 20 just so the kick comes through under it

but NEVER highpass bass above that

[formal hedge]

I believe I have it literally peaking higher than the guitar before master

[wraith hare]

i place pro-mb on my bass

[vale vapor]

then everything needs to be turned down and you need to re evaluate your whole mix

[formal hedge]

The rest sounds fine, I don't think I have to go that far

I mean maybe it's the fact I'm processing the 0-200 hz range differently than the rest of the bass

But that's standard practice iirc

[vale vapor]

how so

[idle shoal]

Roast me

[vale vapor]

Guitar needs a bit more treble and is a bit honky in the midrange
Drums need more processing alltogether, more compression and EQ

Bass sounds raw

[formal hedge]

Lows - tdr kotelnikov
Highs - tube screamer -> BOD amp

And then all of that is being EQd and compressed

[vale vapor]

can you send your bass soloed

[formal hedge]

I will do that tomorrow when I can

[formal hedge]

This would answer @runic adder 's question

[formal hedge]

I have no idea what "honky" means ngl

[vale vapor]

i was referring to vile ant's mix

[formal hedge]

Ohh

My bad

[idle shoal]

Any redeeming qualities? Or nah

[vale vapor]

If you like thall yeah

everything seems leveled properly

I dont like thall at all so i can't say personally

[idle shoal]

Fair enough

🤘

[runic adder]

what does kotelnikov do?

[formal hedge]

very standard compressor

[runic adder]

do you remember what settings you're using?

[formal hedge]

4:1 ratio, should be getting about 5 or so DB of GR

[runic adder]

hm, i lowk slam my bass lol

how do you EQ the low end? it might be that it's just too much around 100-200 so that anything below it just doesnt come through as much

[formal hedge]

Boost around there that's 2db

[runic adder]

lmfao called it

try taking out that boost and raising the level of the sub channel entirely

when I process my bass I like to have the low end a little flat just so when I raise the level there isn't anything that pokes out too much

uhh example

between about 60-150 it's relatively flat, so when I boost it all the bass comes through clearly

ik relying on visuals isn't the best way to go about it but this is what's been working so far

[formal hedge]

I'mnot sure what "level of the channel" means

[runic adder]

Turn up the fader on the sub track

[formal hedge]

OK I thought you meant to raise the EQ boost to where the channel is peaking 💀

[runic adder]

Why would I ever suggest that 😭

[formal hedge]

I have no idea

[vale vapor]

bass needs a ton of compression

ur doing it right

[runic adder]

hey at least im doing the bass right lol

hearing back my most recent vocal takes and all the reverb from the room because I thought I'd be safe from it 😔

also vocal alignment sucks

[formal hedge]

Gain Reduction? I'm mega confused lol

[runic adder]

yep

if you look at the meter on the plugin it shows a humble almost 20db of gain reduction

[formal hedge]

Wow you DO slam your bass

ig since I use midi bass I can test some new processing chains rn

[scarlet brook]

something i threw together over the last couple of hours. highkey ripped off old suicide season era BMTH. what do y’all think?

[vale vapor]

Thats pretty much how it should be done😭

[runic adder]

i think the guitars are a bit too high in the mix

esp for constantly panning back and forth like that

[runic adder]

this is only on the sub track, mind

I don't compress the top end nearly as much

[formal hedge]

Yeah ik

[runic adder]

god damn

my only thing here is that the cymbals seem to be distorting a bit? idk if its just me

or like overly compressed

[karmic plinth]

Damn people love 578 cliches if you, @balmy forum and @wraith hare wanna try it haha, i wont be on my pc for a bit but can send later

[formal hedge]

578 is life brother

[karmic plinth]

Thanks man! I was pretty proud of how its sounding and thought the same with the reverb, but reverb is not something im super versed in yet as ive never really recorded vocals

[formal hedge]

Reverb is pretty easy in my experience

Load up a send, open your reverb plugin, find a good sound, adjust volume

[scarlet brook]

honestly they probably are lmao, same thing with the compression. my mix chain would probably give an actual audio engineer an aneurysm. i kinda just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.

[karmic plinth]

I have a few (for reference the songs im doing are in Cakewalk Sonar while I learn Reaper) but ive got the Cakeqalk default plug in on this one, but I also have the LX800 one that comes with the Scarlet Solo gen 3, then I have some other ones that are like the stupid simple ones that kind of dont do what you want them to do where its just a dial and like, nothing else

[formal hedge]

I would recommend the plugin magic7, mainly because of the fact that it has a lot of different sounds. You can also see what tonalities/type of reverb/ length of tail immediately, which makes it easier to categorize based off what kind of sound you want

Shoutout XENON for putting me onto this plugin

[karmic plinth]

Welp his recs havent steered me wrong yet so I'll check it out!

[formal hedge]

At one point I used to get criticism for doing all the same things he does 😅

[karmic plinth]

A rec is a rec and if you follow the rec theres nothing wrong with that imo

But also, thats like saying "i followed thus guide" but like you're just following what someone else recommends haha screw it, do what works, originality is dead, bring back crabcore

[turbid radish]

i thought they were just out of tune lol

do you find that at all though

[formal hedge]

You mind sending what this sounds like?

I'm redoing my bass right now so I can fix it tomorrow

[runic adder]

In context of a full mix

give me a second to open up the project

[formal hedge]

No but like soloed

[runic adder]

ok im closing the project now

[formal hedge]

Did it take literally 5 seconds to open it, solo it, and render it

[runic adder]

incorrect

it's rendering rn

[balmy forum]

nice mix

[runic adder]

thank you

[balmy forum]

guitars could come up abit and that ping could come down

and vocals up too

[runic adder]

it seems the snare bomb chain is not well received 😔

[balmy forum]

its still cool, its just too loud

[balmy forum]

maybe look into using a different mic or placement, it sounds very cab like

[runic adder]

?

[balmy forum]

also this is done now

[balmy forum]

i dont know the word lol

[runic adder]

word for what

[balmy forum]

when something sounds like its played though a bad ir

lol

[runic adder]

through a bad IR?

[balmy forum]

yknow what never mind

sounds cool

[runic adder]

I just used the stock IR on parallax 💀

genuinely confused

[balmy forum]

its a decent ir

[runic adder]

is it the hiss?

[balmy forum]

im not sure lol

[runic adder]

if it's the hiss/ring that's because i'm too close to my PC while recording

[balmy forum]

lol

[balmy forum]

this is so sickkkkkkk

[balmy forum]

holy shit lol

[formal hedge]

@runic adder just re-did my bass sound, somewhat taken from yours ngl

[runic adder]

Sounds nice

Try it in a mix when ya can, see if it vanishes still

[formal hedge]

Will be doing that tomorrow morning

[timber forum]

Not sure what to do after this? Something still kinda fast and slammy?

[karmic plinth]

Did you casually create a Whitechapel x Deicide song?

[timber forum]

No idea lmao. Just whatever comes to my head haha

[vale vapor]

soulvomit

[timber forum]

It must be haha

Wish I could riff fast. After 140 bpm I just can’t keep up lol

[vale vapor]

learn alternate picking!

[karmic plinth]

I think the fastest song I've made was 226 or something, I realised it was "too" fast and lowered it to 196 and it sounds MUCH better ha

[vale vapor]

imo, there's no need for crazy high bpms cause once you get past 200 you can just cycle back to 100bpm and put the metronome at 2x basis

and no need for tempos below 100, you can just cycle back up to 190 or 180 and put the metronome at half speed

[karmic plinth]

Yeah, I realised the riff just didn't work that sped, its the song I just did vocals for

[timber forum]

144 and 160 are usually my go to

[vale vapor]

ive been writing a lot of 150 and 185 lately

but i almost never pick even numbers

i pick tempo based on feel

So whatever my brain is feeling, i tap tempo it

sometimes that ends up being 153 or 179

[timber forum]

I actually alternate pick a lot, I feel really good about tremolos too. It’s the fast string jump down picking riffs I want to do but can’t fathom

[karmic plinth]

I can say with so much certainty, I can't down pick fast for shit, fastest I can downpick is probably Anthem two by Blink 182

[vale vapor]

Like economy picking? or string skipping

[timber forum]

String skipping

[karmic plinth]

I get why people like it, but i just don't care haha

[vale vapor]

I adore string skipping riffs they're so fun

once you get the hang of it

[karmic plinth]

String skipping as in like the 578 stuff?

Or like more modern metal stuff?

[vale vapor]

Like skipping a whole string or more

Neither, it's just a technique

not tied to any genre really

[karmic plinth]

Yeah I guess I don't do it all that often

Like I might do a 578 riff going from 6th to 4th strings but thats really about it

[timber forum]

I can do 2 string skips pretty easily .. but some shit sounds really cool with the 3-4 skips. Just hard timing for me

[vale vapor]

valid valid

a good one to learn to practice string skipping is Jaded by Spiritbox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nol99rfi9lw

some of the best use of string skipping ive seen

And once you learn to play it, it feels super fluid

[timber forum]

Hell yeah. Not a huge fan of Lorna shores new stuff but Adam’s down picked riffs are just insane lol

[balmy forum]

Mhm yummy

[vale vapor]

Fact

[balmy forum]

I diddnt know you liked sb

[vale vapor]

i'm an og fan

i was into them when they first dropped blessed be

[balmy forum]

Fuckkkyes

I found them just after rotoscope came out

[karmic plinth]

I got into them when holy roller dropped but i also like IWABO

[balmy forum]

I have the stems for holly roller if you want em

[runic adder]

Crazy how both Spiritbox and electric callboy blew up during the pandemic around the same time

I saw the videos for holy roller and hypa hypa in the same day

[timber forum]

Found spiritbox randomly in 2017 with the Mara effect live one take. It was so fucking good man. I miss when they were more proggy

Got the holy roller 7 in lol

[tender oak]

I remember when iwabo dropped Tastes Like Kevin Bacon and fucked the entire scene up with their chaos. I miss Krysta. It'd be fucking insane if Spiritbox featured Krysta as a massive throwback, she's still somewhat active in music. As for spiritbox the second they started teasing shit after iwabo broke up I was hype. When The Beauty Of Suffering dropped it was clear they were gonna be unstoppable. Marra Effect pt 3 and Belcarra are still my favorite Spiritbox songs. That first EP was so experimental.

[wraith hare]

i love iwabo

[tender oak]

Also, this is entirely nostalgia speaking I'm sure, but I prefer the original demo mix of Tastes Like Kevin Bacon to the re-recorded album mix.

[wraith hare]

wasn't the original demo mix in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrFTR9fucr8 ?

can't hear much difference because the audio quality is crispy but i do notice that the snare is mixed differently and vocals are more distorted

also on the side note iwabo's version of uprising is so good

[formal hedge]

@vale vapor @runic adder i fixed the bass, how's it sounding now

[runic adder]

bass could some down a bit now

but much better

[pseudo rain]

Tried to cover Avalanche

[formal hedge]

lotta new stuff here, I'm struggling with the balance on the melodic part

[formal hedge]

Everything sounds fine until the synth comes in

Oh wait I figured it out

The resse bass was messing everything up

[runic adder]

Bass could come down a bit still, but like just a bit

a lot better fs

[formal hedge]

Cymbals are also ducking a bit too much

In the last bit

[formal hedge]

This better?

[runic adder]

yep

[tender oak]

Yes the original mix is in the music video and I fucking love it lol

[wraith hare]

neat

[formal hedge]

@vale vapor Is there anything I need to fix here?

[vale vapor]

guitar sounds like it's incorrectly panned

sounds like only one track

drums are a bit uncompressed/underprocessed

bass is muddy in the 100hz region

@formal hedge

also there are multiple offbeat drum parts

[vale vapor]

very sturgy but i think the room mics should come way up

also you could edit the guitars a bit tighter

[vale vapor]

good old mathcore

[formal hedge]

Guitar being incorrectly panned may come from using NAMOG

[vale vapor]

I'm surprised you didn't catch it

It's really easy to tell when something is mono vs stereo

[formal hedge]

Probably humanizing timing too much

[vale vapor]

it sounds like it wasn't placed on grid

How much are you humanizing?

i humanize at 6 timing at the max

never above that

[formal hedge]

15% timing
30% velocity

[vale vapor]

ah yeah 15 is a bit high

like i said i do 6 max lol

[formal hedge]

Got it

[vale vapor]

oh yeah whatever happened to that drummer that quit if you used midis

[formal hedge]

He's still in the band

Everything I send in here (that has MIDI) is a demo

We're going to record real drums once I'm done with demos

Along with real bass

[vale vapor]

gotcha

[formal hedge]

Because our guitarist got a bass

We were going to just use MIDI bass but now we don't have to

[vale vapor]

nice

[formal hedge]

It's a P-bass but it's better than nothing

[vale vapor]

nothing wrong with a p bass

just change the strings often and set the strings low

so you get some clangy buzz

sounds good on the heavy stuff

[formal hedge]

Alright gotcha

I thought it wouldn't fare well for metal but ig I was wrong

[vale vapor]

you can use any instrument for any genre

🤷‍♂️

[runic adder]

isn't 30 velocity a bit too much?

I do like 10% at most

then again I mostly humanize my drums as im writing anyway so maybe it's too much for my application

[vale vapor]

humanizing manually is the way

[runic adder]

I have a sticky note on my desk just to remind me of my process lol

[idle shoal]

BRB making bassoon metal

[runic adder]

dude...mayonnaise metal...

[vale vapor]

yes

[formal hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[wraith hare]

good old choppin 🪓 🪓

[vale vapor]

Yes™

[wraith hare]

also i finally have melodyne

[wraith hare]

iwabo is mah pookie

i think i should do less 200 hz boosts on my snare tbh

[karmic plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/spiros-trumpet-instrument-mayonnaise-gif-5157825

[karmic plinth]

Bro, i have an Ocarina, totally going to make Ocarina metal

[karmic plinth]

You just reminded me I also have Melodyne, but I need to find my licence, i completely forgot I had it and its probably not activated... thank you Focusrite

[wraith hare]

yomch

[formal hedge]

Dude yes!

We need a metal cover of that one song from Zelda OoT

https://youtu.be/1b06VENYO68

This one

[karmic plinth]

I could probably easily learn Sarias song

[balmy igloo]

ngl i still bump the lost woods dubstep remix

[fringe geode]

That fucks. You have the raws?!

[balmy forum]

Yep!

would you like them?

[cerulean storm]

Currently remixing my seasons album, starting with this one

[floral swallow]

What the hell, this shit is peak\

[wraith hare]

i have behringer umc22 😭

[runic adder]

That was my first interface lol

You have the ringing at 2150hz too?

[vale vapor]

thank ya good sir

[floral swallow]

I mean, the mix yk, can you give some tips, id love to mix like this but i just dont even know how to start

[vale vapor]

I actually do give mixing lessons over discord call

@floral swallow

[floral swallow]

Yoo

fr

[vale vapor]

yessir

[wraith hare]

idk but it's noisy

[timber forum]

What should a master chain look like to yall?

[vale vapor]

A good mix first

Make sure your mix is doing everything it can to make the mastering chain as light as possible

That said, for me it's always compression, low shelf at 15hz to reduce out inaudible sub frequencies, multiband compression, tiny bit of tape saturation, brickwall limiter

If I'm doing an EDM master I'll throw OTT on there, or even more compression

[runic adder]

Typically I run a little bit of tape saturation, sometimes a high shelf eq, a clipper, a limiter, and then an eq so I can look at the frequency response of the track

[formal hedge]

"OTT on the master"

[vale vapor]

for EDM yeah

[formal hedge]

Yeah I know it just sounds so wrong

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr4VprfSumc

Used it on this master

it works very well for EDM when you actually know how to blend it in

[runic adder]

https://tenor.com/view/ott-ott-stack-music-production-music-gif-26274193

[formal hedge]

With the stuff I make I don't use it often

But it's a very good plugin

[runic adder]

I don’t even own it lol

[formal hedge]

It's free brother

[runic adder]

Most plugins are if you look hard enough

[vale vapor]

its freeware

[karmic plinth]

Mans asking the real questions ha

[karmic plinth]

How is it? I've only had the scarlet solo gen 3

[karmic plinth]

This kind of sounds like EARLY TDWP

[wraith hare]

it's garbage honestly

[wraith hare]

my cleans kinda sound like depoysters actually

[karmic plinth]

Oh true, noted, I won't recommend it to anyone I know, I'll say get a Scarlet or try another brand

[karmic plinth]

Oh true?! early Deployster or current deployster?

[wraith hare]

early

he weaaaars a sliiiick jackeeet and a goooooold waaaaatch

[karmic plinth]

(Screams incoherently in high pitch tone behind clean vocals)

[karmic plinth]

I realised I missed this,

like just to see how you can make it sound?

[karmic plinth]

I also I missed this,

Just to see what you can do?

[wraith hare]

i can mix it in the style of joey sturgis

[karmic plinth]

I know the name but not his work so no idea what this means exactly

[wraith hare]

lemme see what I sent here, not at home rn

[wraith hare]

.

[karmic plinth]

all good, I'm at work,

[karmic plinth]

Oh this is what i said made me think of TDWP

[wraith hare]

yeap

well Sturgis did mix tdwp

[karmic plinth]

OOH IN that case I am familiar ha

[versed remnant]

rah

[formal hedge]

I just want practice mixing

[timber forum]

Can someone explain sidechaining like I’m 12

[vale vapor]

Audio 1 makes audio 2 be quiet whenever audio 1 plays

E. G. Kick and bass

Sidechain on bass = any time kick hits, bass becomes quiet for the duration of the kick playing

Very useful for making your kick pop

I sidechain bass to kick 99% of the time

Only need about 3db of reduction for it to sound good

[cerulean storm]

Updating my mixing technique for the whole album

[vale vapor]

Guitars sound like they're ducking when the drums hit, like the master is being overcompressed

[cerulean storm]

Still? Is it a lot or just a bit? And how is the rest?

[vale vapor]

It's a noticeable amount

I also think it's lacking bass in the whole mix

[cerulean storm]

Yeah, I thought so too, I'll boost it a bit.

Otherwise, is it level equally?

[vale vapor]

Yeah levels sound pretty good besides the ducking

[cerulean storm]

Hm, I think I have a compressor on my master track with -6 db, maybe a bit too much. Just wanted to boost the volume a bit more

[vale vapor]

Then you should work on multiple levels of compression

each one doing a tiny bit

[cerulean storm]

Oooo, good idea

[vale vapor]

Compress the busses, then the instrumental bus, then the master with a mastering compressor, multiband, and then a brickwall limiter

each one shouldn't be doing too much

And use a loudness meter to measure how loud you're aiming for

[cerulean storm]

Yeah, thank you!

[livid frigate]

I’ve never done sidechaining because I didn’t know what that was, after this explanation, I think I might need to play around with it a bit, sounds fun.

[vale vapor]

It's useful to make your kick pop more

I almost always do it

2-3db of reduction is plenty

[wraith hare]

I never

[vale vapor]

Sturg did it most likely

[wraith hare]

Possibly, maybe, perhaps in later stuff like new demons

[balmy igloo]

I don't sidechain anymore.

[balmy igloo]

Okay that's a lie. Sometimes I use soothe to sidechain vocals to the instrument bus.

[karmic plinth]

Man this took so long but I think I'm finally making some head room on this

I've now mixed every track, bus and mix bus and I think this is sounding pretty good

[karmic plinth]

Now that ive listene through it through better headphones its a little muddy but i dont think its terrible ha

[vale vapor]

Nooo😭

Not the soothechain 🥀

[balmy igloo]

you know it's bad when a white boy pulls out the 🥀 emoji

[vale vapor]

Crazy work

[sour harbor]

WIP, but first actual shot at writing something deathcore.