Feedback Requests

[wraith hare]

microkorg is based

[vale vapor]

this sounds just like A Path Less Traveled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-9aw6JfYFk

[wraith hare]

removed the room entirely here

[wraith hare]

dang this sounds catchy lol

[verbal ivy]

Rawwwrrs weren't rawwwrry enough

[karmic plinth]

So i changed my bass sim and um, is this too much?

[timber forum]

Decent budget monitors?

[vale vapor]

Kali audio

IK iLouds

I adore my kalis

[balmy forum]

the buster mix for prey for plagues lowk sounds sick

[wraith hare]

mixing is subjective but no

[balmy forum]

i dont understand how to hyperprocess somthing

only in aus

@vale vapor lol

you can get accused of stealing if you dont have a recipt here

yet the checkout machines have an option not to print a recipt

[formal hedge]

Has it been released yet?

[balmy forum]

idk

ive just heard the teaser

[balmy forum]

made this

[vale vapor]

kick sounds a bit clipped but sounds good otherwise

id say kick is too loud in general

guitars could be louder

[balmy igloo]

somethin different. headphone mix.

[formal hedge]

new mix, not exaxctly sure what it is but I feel like the balance is ever so slightly off

@vale vapor @runic adder

[vale vapor]

ever so slightly?

LOL

It's pretty hard to hear what's going on in the intro, it's pretty cluttered and the drums are muffled overall

Drums also sound offbeat

Are you placing them on grid?

[formal hedge]

Wouldn't be suprised if they were off

[vale vapor]

You gotta make sure youir drums are actually on the grid

Do you hear that they aren't hitting on the right times?

Can you send a screenshot of the midi editor i'm curious

[formal hedge]

Not the whole thing but this should help

[vale vapor]

Oh yeah it's way off especially at the end

Do you have snap turned on?

you see all those vertical lines? ALL your drum beats should be spot on those

[formal hedge]

I usually keep that off

[vale vapor]

These aren't even on the lines at all

[vale vapor]

Oh well that's your problem

leave snap on

[balmy forum]

tried a new style

[vale vapor]

Bro

LOL

oh you mean mixing

Nvm

Ignore me

[balmy forum]

op my bad diddnt mean to interupt

[vale vapor]

No i thought you were posting that saying it was an original demo

I was like "Bro this is just circle with me"

[balmy forum]

yeah i tried to make it sound more live

[balmy forum]

ah LOL

[vale vapor]

sounds good but i think your shakers are too loud again

[balmy forum]

of all things..

lol

[vale vapor]

that happened on your mix of swamp song

the top loops/shaker loops were wayy too loud

[vale vapor]

do you have any specific reason why?

[formal hedge]

I believe a while ag I saw a SpectreSound video that said keeping it off would keep drums from feeling "robotic"

[vale vapor]

😭

i love spectresound but he has some boomer takes

What you should be doing is placing the drums on the grid using snap, then you can go back and manually humanize the hits with "H"

[formal hedge]

Makes sense

[vale vapor]

that way, the hits actually stay on beat relative to eachother

and don't just shift off over time

[formal hedge]

This sounding better? Fixed drums and lowered impacts some to lighten the intro's "clutter"

[formal hedge]

Also, I feel like this sounds too produced in a way

Like it reminds me of a Cervini mix kinda

Which I really don't want

[vale vapor]

What?

I don't think this in any way sounds like a cervini mix LOL

[vale vapor]

the guitar gets pretty offbeat from the drums near the end

[formal hedge]

Yeah I'm gonna track new guitars next

[vale vapor]

you should practice playing to a metronome

[vale vapor]

also, is the impact supposed to hit before everything else?

Typically impacts hit at the same time

[formal hedge]

Yes

[vale vapor]

Gotcha

[formal hedge]

That was your impact btw

[vale vapor]

LOL i could tell

[formal hedge]

Free pack is great

[formal hedge]

Also used a chango bassdrop, the one you sent in here the one time

[vale vapor]

W

[runic adder]

I got pinged

I’ll listen when I’m home, working rn

[formal hedge]

Listen to the one lower in the chat

It's better

[timber forum]

Are these decent for a budget? They popped up on marketplace.

[vale vapor]

can you elaborate on this

lol

[vale vapor]

hmm not sure, ive never used that brand

just look up the frequency response graph, the flatter the better

though you should look into room treatment as well

[runic adder]

timing issues aside, the guitars and bass could come up a little

[runic adder]

I use a slightly different version of these, i think that's a good deal

[runic adder]

my monitors are one model adjacent to these from the same brand, they're a bit scooped but they're good esp for $120 as a set imo

[balmy forum]

guitars might need a tube screamer and a new cab, the guitar tone is a bit strange

could be style tho

also the guitars are getting ducked quite a bit by the drums

[balmy forum]

i wouldnt recomend

i have maudios, they have too much bass in a bad way

but also

room treatment first

[balmy forum]

is there anything apart from that?

[timber forum]

I can’t do room treatment unfortunately. But it’s find by me tbh. I really just make music for fun.. if I ever want a full studio production then I’ll just pay someone lol

Should I look into a good headphone instead then?

[balmy forum]

Absotutley

[balmy forum]

most people cant dont worry

[balmy forum]

i recomend you ask @halcyon holly

[halcyon holly]

Hd490 pro aka speaker on your head pro

[timber forum]

Noted but I am on more of a budget lol

[balmy forum]

do you know much about the DT770s

[halcyon holly]

They’re awful

[halcyon holly]

HD6xx

[balmy forum]

really?

[halcyon holly]

Yep

Bottom of the barrel

[timber forum]

I was looking at the hd280 pros
I know they are alot cheaper but for me I think they might suffice

[halcyon holly]

Wouldn’t reccomend

For mixing you want open back

Otherwise just get IEMs

[balmy forum]

whats wrong with them

[halcyon holly]

How do I put this

Imagine putting your ears in an acoustically compromised tin can and mixing on that

[timber forum]

I understand but we are talking sub $100 lmao

[halcyon holly]

Essentially any closed back is not a good solution

[halcyon holly]

IEMs then

100%

Or if you can find HD560s, get those

Those are like £80-100 here

[balmy forum]

well im wearing them LOL, i have noticed they are VERYYYY bright

[halcyon holly]

They’re just so…mediocre

Any closed back ain’t a good choice for mixing

For tracking yes

But when it comes down to it either open back or monitors

[timber forum]

There’s quite a few open back options for my price point .. you’re just saying they wouldn’t be as good as some iems?

[halcyon holly]

Which options

Truth of the situation rn is closed backs up to £200 can’t compete with £20 IEMs

It’s like, Neumann u87 vs KSM32

Both are great. One isn’t for its price

[timber forum]

These seem popular .. would I just get a 1/4in jack adapter for the focusrite?

[halcyon holly]

Get zero 2

https://amzn.eu/d/0ix5PVdW

[timber forum]

Cool, so what’s the main difference with these? Never thought of using iems.. I figured they wouldn’t be good for mixing at all

[balmy forum]

this was fun

Credit to @vale vapor you should buy his pack

[wraith hare]

did you get his pack?

[balmy forum]

yeah

did you?

[wraith hare]

nope

i'm unable to get it

[formal hedge]

My bad, was asleep

The best way I can describe it is that the mix sounds too processed

Which is weird because I'm not using many plug-ins in the first place

[formal hedge]

Yeah I think this could be why

[vale vapor]

That's crazy😭 it sounds very raw to me

[fathom jewel]

I used one of the pings from your free pack, it may need some phase flipping

[fathom jewel]

your guitars need some brightening, u might wanna change to a different IR, definitely not sounding overproduced

[formal hedge]

So basically

I was using this

Which sounds great on it's own

But it's not amazing in a mix

But now I'm using profiles of everything that was in that individually

Which is way better

[fathom jewel]

where do you load it, the og NAM or the wavemind version of NAM?

[formal hedge]

OG NAM

Ik that's not the usual but I prefer the simplicity of NAM over NAMU

Updated mix

[vale vapor]

Well it's not only simpler it's kinda buggy and you have to duplicate it for each track

NAMU you can load on the group

It has true stereo processing

NAM og doesn't

Also NAMU isn't complicated, its the exact same stuff, it just has optional extras

You don't need to turn on the other modules

[formal hedge]

Yeah in comparison to the new mix this sounds really dark

[runic adder]

I have those

lowk a little mid heavy and the bass isn't all there, but they work well otherwise

[vale vapor]

sounds like everything in the beginning is clipping, the guitar sounds pretty muffled and the drums sound pretty unprocessed

[runic adder]

deathcore 808 moment

[formal hedge]

This guy gets it

LMAO

[versed remnant]

@vale vapor can i get some thoughts on the mix? lot of moving parts. Ignore the snare i don't have kontakt 8 full edition so i have to constantly load in the snare when i render so i have my underlying sample as the only snare in there rn

[runic adder]

holy metalcore title

mix is good though

I like how pronounced the bass is

i may be biased but my bias in this case is a correct opinion

[vale vapor]

Imo guitars need to come up

Sounds pretty good overall i think

I'm on earbuds tho

[timber forum]

how do these sound? not much done to them out the box. its just the free deviant drums

Didn’t mess with the velocities either lol I literally just dragged and dropped a couple midi files for a test

[vale vapor]

snare is crazy loud

the cymbals are ducking like crazy

overall drum tone could be cool in a mixed song

[timber forum]

Yeah I know, like I said didn’t mess with volumes. Left everything loud to see if tone was decent

[runic adder]

working on some sad shit

(quiet because no mastering chain atm)

[karmic plinth]

I decided to rerecord and clean this up and played with my tone and eq for the guitars - hows it sounding?

[runic adder]

Added bass

[runic adder]

the guitars are sounding good yea

the lead at 1:00 is a little loud?

[karmic plinth]

I feel like I need to play with the levels a bit but I was really vibing with the Tone and Eq of the guitars

[runic adder]

just from when it cuts out and pops back in i think it's a little extreme

[runic adder]

i think the levels are fine lowk it's just that lead

[karmic plinth]

Oh I know the part, I have them records in stereo andhard panned that part so it camne through slightly soft but then the rest kind of just kick in for the chorus

But I agree wtih you on the lead volume

[timber forum]

This better? Velocities and volumes are still a little off. Trying squeeze in time while my newborn sleeps lol. I am liking the tones though

[balmy forum]

kick is ducking the cmybals too much

also quite clipped

very good though

[timber forum]

How to I fix the ducking? Never had this problem before

[balmy forum]

are you compressing your drum bus?

@timber forum

[timber forum]

Yes. Unfortunately this version of deviant doesn’t have multiout routing. So most of the mix is inside the plugin itself. But it has so compressor

[balmy forum]

yeah your gonna need to multi route

are you sre youcant multi?

[timber forum]

Yeah it’s not in the free version of deviant 2

I’m eventually gonna buy the full version but I wanted to test this out

[balmy forum]

no its kontakt, it just takes a bit of work :c

follow this, tell me if you have any issues c:

[timber forum]

No bro I’m deadass, deviant took out multi routing in the free version lol. Unless you are saying there is a way to bypass that

Would a multiband compressor reduce the ducking? I wanna do everything I can with this free one for now until I get the money

[balmy forum]

there is

[timber forum]

Oh okay, I’ll look into it

[balmy forum]

see this?

[timber forum]

That’s only on deviant 1

[balmy forum]

what do you have

ah i see

damn stupid corpo

[timber forum]

His reply to me

[balmy forum]

i recomend ssd

[balmy forum]

yeah right, that sucks

i would look into SSD, ML drums or restrains kit

all free w/ multi out

restrains kit is my personal fav, and i have not tried ssd yet but alot of the people on here go crazy about it

[timber forum]

Yeah. I just really like these drums. I’ve hardly had to do anything to them to make them sound decent. There’s gotta be a way I can minimize the ducking. Not really looking for a studio mix right this moment

[balmy forum]

just ease on the compression

make sure you start multi routing asap pls tho

it will change your mixes for the better

me before multi route LOl

[timber forum]

I do multi route on ggd. The problem was invasion was a hellish kit to mix when you are a beginner like me. I’ll be getting the full version to multi route before I release anything

[balmy forum]

okay, i would look into the free plugins first tho

up to you

[balmy forum]

yummy ggd

[timber forum]

I might, I have no problem spending the money to get the exact sound I want. Ggd never achieved that

[balmy forum]

be careful, you will go bankrupt

stay away from waves

dont take the candy

lol

[timber forum]

Oh trust I’m not made of money lmao

The last thing I bought was invasion when it first came out. It’s time for an upgrade. Atleast a more user/beginner friendly one

[balmy forum]

lol i fell for the waves trick

$30 per plugin

you add a few and you have a $900 cart

annnndd then it gets converted to AUD and you loose all of your money

[vale vapor]

Just duplicate the vst like five times and then solo each drum on each instance and route them separately

[balmy forum]

MY PCCCCC

i cant imagine the cpu usage

[vale vapor]

Well probably not high if its just a sample library

Maybe a bit high on the ram side tho

[balmy forum]

welcome to ableton live, where we amplify your CPU usage by how much we hate you thatt day

[timber forum]

Actually not a bad idea, so should I not be compressing the cymbals as much or what?

[vale vapor]

I mean yeah if it's ducking a ton, don't smash it all into a comp so hard

Look at the compressors gain reduction meter

It shouldn't be jumping to like -30

[timber forum]

Bet thanks dude

[scarlet brook]

little riff salad thing i wrote while trying to break a writer’s block

[tough pewter]

Im working on some doom/stoner stuff on acoustic bass on a yt stream. Is there a channel I can post a link in that doesn't break the rules? I just wanna get some feedback. Thanks ❤️

[karmic plinth]

@vale vapor thoughts on this mix?

[versed remnant]

working on a new song, added chugs under the leads, thought the chug pattern was familliar, i did an asking alexandria

kms

[balmy forum]

holy clip

[karmic plinth]

So i thought it was just my pc gaming headset... then i trued my headphones on my phone haha

[karmic plinth]

The lead though sounds kinda spooky in that pattern though which is sick

[runic adder]

Clayton king type shit

[versed remnant]

rah thank you

updated a tad

[timber forum]

Is there a free alternative to the profab eq?

[vale vapor]

I just use TDR Nova for everything

[karmic plinth]

I think Ozone 12 EQ is free? thats what I use as an alternative
Otherwise I've hear TDR NOva is free

[vale vapor]

it's epic

TDR Nova is the most streamlined EQ i've ever used

i love it

[karmic plinth]

Quite literally the only reason I haven't used it is I

1. just only heard of it recently
   2)I already had Ozeon 12 EQ
2. I have TOO many plugins in my computer and don't know how to find and delete them haha

[vale vapor]

theyre in the default vst directory

most likely C:\Program Files\Steinberg\Vst Plugins

or minus the steinberg part

[karmic plinth]

My problem is that in my attempt to organise I have many folders for VST like an absolute dumbass so I just need to spend time cleaning up and getting rid of ones I don't use or like

[vale vapor]

True

[karmic plinth]

I don't think they take up too much space anyway so its not really storage issue, more of just trying to filter through them in my DAW thats a pain in the ass ha

[vale vapor]

In reaper you can assign vsts to specific folders

[karmic plinth]

It took me an unnecessarily long time to figure out how to change my input and output in Reaper lol
I got to used to Cakewalk haha

[formal hedge]

C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3 is also very common

[vale vapor]

True

[karmic plinth]

Now that folder I know exists ha

[timber forum]

How is this tone? Trying to dial in my 6 string

[karmic plinth]

I like it, makes me think of like Old Miss May I a little

Maybe a little more on the mids? But that might just be my headphones

[timber forum]

I think your right!

[karmic plinth]

Let me know iof I am right haha I have no idea tbh haha

[vale vapor]

oh yeah needs way more mids

that's a suuuper scooped tone

gain probably also needs to come down

[timber forum]

Okay cool. I’m boosting some mods on eq so I think I’m gonna boosting on amp. I think they are scooped there

[vale vapor]

ahh yeah

make sure you aren't cranking the mids down on the amp

[runic adder]

lowk reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNaXbI2dCZ4

[timber forum]

I have a dr drive on but it’s like hardly doing much, more attack than gsin

Love this album so much

That and mirrors got me through middle / highschool

[runic adder]

i need to relisten to that album

yeah found that back when google music was still a thing lol

[karmic plinth]

My setting I used for one of my songs is
Gain - 6-7
Bass - 6
Mids - 3-5
High 6
Presence - 6
Using a 5150 Sim,
But of course play with what you want until you find your tone

[timber forum]

Haha I remember that

Yeah I’m trying out these catharsis irs right now too

[runic adder]

s-preshigh 🤤

[timber forum]

This isn’t gonna be a song i don’t think, just laying down quick riffs to practice mixing

Yessssss that’s the one!!

You use that for left and right ?

[vale vapor]

based

[runic adder]

i lowk have not used that IR in years

ideally though yeah same IR left and right

[vale vapor]

me personally i keep gain at 4-4.5 and put a tube screamer before the amp. you get way more note clarity while retaining the overdrive sound

[runic adder]

i dont think there are many mixes that pull off different tones/different sides that weren't because they were recorded live and had to be like that

and even then sometimes its ehh

[karmic plinth]

Ah yeah, I do a tube scream with 0-1 drive, full level and keep tone aroun 5-6

[runic adder]

ive tried it and it hasn't worked imo

ik the somatic defilement does it but i have a soft spot for that album so you won't catch me criticising the mix

[karmic plinth]

I basically just looked up what bands that influenced me do and I imitate that and then just fix what I need to

Most of them seem to do that approach

[timber forum]

I’m really trying to learn all this shit. It’s overwhelming, but after getting some monitors and in ears to track, I’m starting to hear some of the things you guys are talking about

[vale vapor]

lets gooo

[timber forum]

I might change that dr drive to the tse and boost mids

[karmic plinth]

Dude same, I've been playing music for 20 years, only started to learn how to record in the last 2 years but really dialing it in over the last month or so, and to be honest, these guys have been a HUGE help

[vale vapor]

youve been playing music longer than ive been alive...

I turn 20 this year lol 🫠

[karmic plinth]

Oh damn, I saw your band on tiktok and thought you looked young hahah

[timber forum]

Yeah huge help

[karmic plinth]

I'm 32 this year, started when I was 12, well, playing music since I was 8, but got into guitar and metal at 12

[timber forum]

29 next week here

I tried recording 6 years ago and pretty much immediately gave up. I suck but I REALLY sucked then

[karmic plinth]

@timber forum How this sounds is because of the help these guys have given... the original was SO far from sounding this good ha

[karmic plinth]

Yeah I built my PC and got my interface in 2023, tried it for a few demos, realised I didn't know what I was doing, gave up, lost my spark. I jammed with my brother in Jan this year (we play and listen to different styles of music) and immediately re lit the spark.

[karmic plinth]

Way to make me feel old haha I REMEMBER THE DENNYS VIDEO when it happened

[runic adder]

golly

[timber forum]

That sounds sick dude

[runic adder]

didn't they just revive it for a marketing thing too?

[karmic plinth]

I'm in another country but I remember when it happened

[karmic plinth]

Yeah I think they did, but apparently not enough wavinig of arms

[timber forum]

This was my first song I wrote and tried to mix., put it out a couple weeks ago. Turned out okay I guess but now I’m hearing so much I want to change

[timber forum]

I also remember this lol

[karmic plinth]

Oh nice haha I need to record vocals,

[timber forum]

It’s my buddy screaming . I just did instrumental

[karmic plinth]

I have 5 full songs written, lyrics to three of them, half lyrics to two of them

I think I've shared at least something to 4 of them in this channel

[karmic plinth]

Did you mix and master it yourself or did you send it to someone?

[timber forum]

I did everything . Even the art lmao

When your kids take all your money you have to work with what ya got lmao

[karmic plinth]

A fellow parent loving music I see hahaha

But nah I dig it, I'm listening right now

[timber forum]

Thanks bro!

[karmic plinth]

I did stank face a little at the start, I also kind of dig the choir

[timber forum]

Yeah! It wasn’t supposed to really have symphonic elements but being a lord of the rings theme it kind of needed it

[karmic plinth]

I got really into gutteral slug recently and did this because I thought it was hilarious but parts of this song make me think of this thing I did

This is unmixed and I was just dicking around

[timber forum]

My next mix is going to be so much better. I need to start on song 2 . Got a lot of nice people on Instagram that have helped get us out there. Mostly in the MySpace revival scene . Awesome guys

[karmic plinth]

I think without it, the song would feel a little, hollow?

[timber forum]

Yeah that’s why I added them back in haha

[karmic plinth]

Bring back melodeath inspired riffs in metalcore ha

[timber forum]

Okay that’s sick. I’ve been wanting to write a slam song

[karmic plinth]

I think modern stuff is great, don't get me wrong, I love INK, MIW, Bad Omens etc, but I'm kidn of sick of hearing the over polished metal of today lol

[vale vapor]

You and me both

[karmic plinth]

I was always really into watch musicina mansion and the Dickey Dines show, and listening to Greystone, saw the fun Nik and the others had so decided to do that

[timber forum]

Yeah my taste in music has completely changed. Everyone now is just hopping on the over produced octane core. That’s why I’m leaning towards underground and revival stuff. It’s so refreshing. That’s why I like what @vale vapor does. It’s new with good production but gives off older vibes

[karmic plinth]

Like, sure the song has to sound finished and like the instruments can be played, but I really miss like old school Parkway, I Killed the Prom queen, In Flames etc

It was mixed and masters, but it wasn't polished, it sounded almost raw in a sense

If it hasn't given it away for where I'm from, I keep referencing Aussie bands haha

[timber forum]

iktpq hell yeah

[karmic plinth]

I checked out their band today, it sounds sick, makes me think of Old TDWP

[timber forum]

I have a tdwp tattoo on my leg haha

One of my favorites

Along with an AFI and The word alive tattoo . I used to love those guys

[karmic plinth]

TDWP is one of my favourite bands, my fav is Linkin Park, I have their logo tattooed on my arm

[timber forum]

Hell yeah dude

[karmic plinth]

I just feel too many modern bands are over polished and too "technical" for me to enjoy anymore, I like simple, but fun

[vale vapor]

Best aussie band is Hands Like Houses

Idec

[timber forum]

I used to listen to them non fucking stop haha

[karmic plinth]

I've met the guitarist of House vs Hurrican/ Bassist of Dream on Dreamer, he lives in my town and is one of my clients

[timber forum]

Dream on dreamer were sick

[vale vapor]

Dream on dreamer is so good!!!!!

All those old Chango bands

Are my favorites ever

[karmic plinth]

I personally never got into them, but in saying that, when I was younger, I was kind of elitists in a sense haha now I'm older, I love all music... except black Metal, just can't do it

[vale vapor]

LOL

[karmic plinth]

Chango?

[vale vapor]

Chango Studios

[karmic plinth]

OH

right

[vale vapor]

He produced for HLH, Dream on Dreamer

Etc

Most of those bands

[karmic plinth]

Yeah I know who you;'re talking about now ha

[vale vapor]

He's my producer inspiration

[timber forum]

Boris the blade and the red shore are also great Aussie bands

[karmic plinth]

I guess now that I'm learning to produce my inspo is whoever the fuck sits at home and does it themselves? haha

[vale vapor]

LOL

[karmic plinth]

Red shore isn't too bad, Jamie eventually became vocalist of IKTP and is now their bassist

[timber forum]

Yessir

[karmic plinth]

I REALLY hope they bring out new music with the current line up, I think Michael Crafter is a dickhead but UI love his vocals and the band as a whole have an amazing sound imo

But @timber forum your song was sick, I dig the "UH" at the end breakdown

Ping me when the next one drops... and if I ever get around to finishing my songs and publishing I guess I'll ping whoeever wants to know?

[timber forum]

Yo thanks bro! It’s only up from here hopefully! Gonna get back on the 7 string tomorrow. Just wanted to riff tonight while I had the time. Elden ring song in the works. I love themes lol

Yes ping me for sure

[karmic plinth]

@timber forum

This is another one of my songs that I've recently done

[timber forum]

I heard that the other day! It’s sick. Great vibes to it. I love the clean guitar in it too I always try to listen to everyone’s snippets on hear even if I don’t comment on them haha

[karmic plinth]

Thats one I'm nearly happy enough to do vocals on, but You can kind of pin point where clean vocals would be and screams would be haha

[karmic plinth]

Oh yeah all good haha I was just more pointing out another song I've done too for you ha

[timber forum]

I almost thinking screams for the chorus too. Maybe like a toned scream. Those octaves have really good melody

[karmic plinth]

Oh interesting, I was thinkin Cleans in Verse 1 a, then whenre the dun dun dun dun bit fo Verse 1 comes in, it goes to screams, the cleans for the chorus with a screamed end back into the itnro, then all screams on verse 2 ha

[timber forum]

So many options. I think any of them would sound sick

[karmic plinth]

I hadn't even considered screams on the schorus to be honest... I'm not even sure if I can Pitch scream tbh haha

I just know I can't fry scream... I think, idk what I do, I just do it and it doesn't hurt

[timber forum]

Screamings hard haha

[karmic plinth]

Well this is me virtually raw with only reverb, like the entire song is unmixed

And ive done the harmonied screams in it

[vale vapor]

your screams are sick

[formal hedge]

To me the guitar sounds really muffled and the whole mix has a 100% reverb kind of sound to it.

[timber forum]

Had time to tweak a little last night

[timber forum]

Weird. There’s no reverb lol

[karmic plinth]

Mids sounds much better, but something still sounds slightly off, but i cant pin point it

What amp/amp sim are you using?

[timber forum]

Namu 5150 tone, catharsis ir

I mean there’s no bass . Could be that lol

I’m about to start writing for a song anyways . This was just some fun riff salad that might become an idea later

[balmy forum]

well are double tracking your guitars l and r

[vale vapor]

what? there's clearly no verb

LOL

[vale vapor]

Sounds like 1-2k is boosted way too much

[formal hedge]

I was listening on earpods so idk

[balmy forum]

yeah wtf lol

[balmy forum]

i would stay away from giving advice for now, it can lead people in directions they shoulnt go and possibly cause a bad self imageabout somthing thatsnot even true

be careful and stay at your level.

[balmy forum]

can i try mix this lol

also @vale vapor what do you think of this mix

[vale vapor]

guitars/master ducks a tad too much imo but i like this a lot

Kick also gets a bit lost in places

needs to cut through in the high end more

[balmy forum]

oh wtf my headphones are out of phase somehow

[vale vapor]

how does that even happen

[balmy forum]

i have no idea lol

[vale vapor]

signal is sent to both earphones at the same time

[balmy forum]

i have no idea but its weird

brb

[timber forum]

Think you are right on the 1-2k boost. And yes I’m double tracking

[vale vapor]

try to get the tone a bit more well rounded overall

[timber forum]

Will do! I like the eq you recommended a lot btw! Really good

[vale vapor]

Yesss TDR the goat

[timber forum]

Yeah thanks for that lol

[vale vapor]

Let me show u what a well-rounded guitar signal looks like in an EQ

that way you can use it as a visual reference

[timber forum]

Okay!

Thanks btw. I work better with visuals haha

[vale vapor]

eventually you should work on training your ear, but this is fine for now

i always tell people don't mix with your eyes

but at your level that might be harder to get just right yet

This is generally what my guitars look like in an analyzer

It will vary depending on tone

But we don't want it looking like this

LOL

[timber forum]

Yes it is for right now. But I’ll say, my ears are getting much better. Not great but some improvement is better than none. I’m definitely hearing the harshness that comes out of the 5-6k range well and can dial that in. The mid to lower frequencies is where I still struggle

But scoop the kids bro

[vale vapor]

LOL

[karmic plinth]

Sure haha I guess haha

[vale vapor]

scoop the kids 🗣️

[karmic plinth]

scoop the kids 🗣️

[formal hedge]

scoop the kids 🗣️

[balmy forum]

Yeah you are right, my headphones are being stupid so it sounds mono

[balmy forum]

Yippie, just DM me the raw stems and drum midi and I'll mix it when I get home

[timber forum]

All good! Not to throw shade but there are some people in here that I feel like just say random shit about mixes lol. Like saying it sounds like there’s 100% reverb on the dryest sounding track is just wierd. Idk

[balmy forum]

Thank you btw I wanted to mix something random

[karmic plinth]

Okay give me a bit to do it, i uhm, need to rerecord some parts due to me being a dumbass haha

But can do it over the weekend for you easy

[balmy forum]

LOL you don't have to worry I'm horrible at tracking too

[karmic plinth]

Do you want the whole song or just the breakdown i showed?

[balmy forum]

Xenon knows

[balmy forum]

Whatever your comfortable with C:

[karmic plinth]

Aight I'll send it over the weekend
Ive figured how to do some vocal set up in my untreated room lol

[balmy forum]

Lol yeah be careful of them, I recommend listening to Xenon, he's the reason I didn't suck

[timber forum]

You and xenon are very trusted! I appreciate yall

[karmic plinth]

I agree with this, i only started learning to mix a month ago so im in the midst of rerecording cleaner tracks to mix ha

[balmy forum]

That's good! Your screams are really cool, room sound is a very good way to push them further

[timber forum]

Yeah I’m still really fresh haha. My biggest thing was just getting ear fatigue then fucking everything up

[karmic plinth]

Thanks dude
That was literally me sitting like 15cm away from my mic facing my pc screens

[balmy forum]

And then you will get into commissions and all of your knowledge disappears because they are sound cloud rappers who record "in the corner of the room that has no bouncy sound"

True story

[karmic plinth]

Bahaha fair

[vale vapor]

interesting

[balmy forum]

Lol every one starts.somewhere

[vale vapor]

I would personally not recommend recording in a room with reflections

The less room sound in your room the better

[balmy forum]

That's not what I meant lol

[vale vapor]

The cleaner recording you have, the easier it will be to mix

Ahh

my bad

[balmy forum]

All g

[karmic plinth]

But what about a soundcloud rock star? Haha

[balmy forum]

Lol I always add a room verb to my screams

[karmic plinth]

My old band has live unmixed demos on soundcloud that we recorded in a community hall haha

[balmy forum]

Ooof

Trust me nothing is as bad as me last year

[timber forum]

What hurts my feelings is you guys always send these “look how bad I was” and the mix is still better than me trying 😭😭😂

[vale vapor]

added in post yeee

[balmy forum]

lolllll you will get to a good level quickly

[vale vapor]

i forgot about this

the ipad vocals 😭

[karmic plinth]

Felt

Maybe 2

[timber forum]

Idk I feel like I nailed the guitar and bass mix in the first song I did. Just wasn’t happy with the drums and overall song. But the guitar felt great

[karmic plinth]

This was me like a year ago

[timber forum]

Atleast for the tone I was going for

[timber forum]

I feel like this honestly further than where I am lol

[balmy forum]

Lol

[balmy forum]

What's funny is that you are 20yrs older than me hahah

[karmic plinth]

So you're 9?

[balmy forum]

Id say you are quite good

[balmy forum]

Wait

[vale vapor]

i think his math is off

LOL

[balmy forum]

Math

Lol thats concerning because I have math in like 20 mins

[karmic plinth]

To clear things up mate

Im 32
Wagz is 29
Xenon is 20

So please math this

[timber forum]

Hey man I can fix a car but mixing is hard 🤣

Bros 9 let him be

[balmy forum]

I'm 14

[balmy forum]

Nooooooooo

[vale vapor]

holy math

[karmic plinth]

As this is a feedback chat, my feedback is use a calculator

[karmic plinth]

Mans has to be joking right

[timber forum]

This was me 5 years ago when I gave up . Could never get anywhere lmao

[vale vapor]

that's still better than my first metal mix lol

like by a huge margin

[balmy forum]

No lol I'm just bad at math

[timber forum]

Thanks bro 🙏🏼

[balmy forum]

Hold On I gotta go to school or whatever

[vale vapor]

this may have been the first metal demo i ever tried to make

this is when i was just starting to produce dubstep when i was like 12 lol

[timber forum]

Sounds cool though 😂

Next UR song intro

[vale vapor]

absolutely not

[balmy forum]

Lolll

[balmy forum]

Cool rock thing says it all

[timber forum]

God it’s bad 😂 riff was cool though

[vale vapor]

immediately a better mix than most beginnners lol

you have a knack for it

[timber forum]

Is this better than my current mixes then? Cause I don’t wanna be going backwards lmaooo

Which is crazy cause there’s like no processing on anything in these. I had literally no clue what an ir was. I was just using out the box bias fx tones and ggd raw

[vale vapor]

The guitar tone is a bit better

I also think your drum processing on the newer mixes is a bit overkill

You're in the beginner arc everyone has where you overcompensate at first LOL

[timber forum]

Yup 😂

I’m getting better results now that I’m using less and less effects and trying to get a better source first.

[formal hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/willem-dafoe-looking-up-willem-dafoe-blue

[karmic plinth]

I mesnt about being 14 haha

[karmic plinth]

Thats okay bro, we'll grow together haha

[karmic plinth]

This is 100% video game menu theme

[karmic plinth]

I found recently less is more
I think my guitar fx are tube screamer > amp sim > eq and thats it

[formal hedge]

Mine is Transient Shaper (yeah really) - Tube Screamer - Amp - EQ - Multiband Compression

I've found it to work pretty well

[karmic plinth]

Ah yeah I do Multiband over all guitars at the end in a master guitar bus

[vale vapor]

Transient shaper 🥀

[formal hedge]

All I'm using it for is a very slight attack boost

[vale vapor]

Sounds like your playing needs more pick attack

[formal hedge]

I mean it sounds fine without it but I've found that 10% or so more transient helps it stand out in the mix more

[vale vapor]

I also guarantee you aren't hearing that transient shaper through an amp

If it's only a tiny boost

[formal hedge]

I believe Joey Sturgis was the person who mentioned it a YouTube video

[timber forum]

My chain is tse, Namu, multiband for palm mutes, eq

[karmic plinth]

How do you set it up in your daw as far as Track to Bus ratio?

[vale vapor]

Guitar di L
Guitar di R
⤵️
Guitar Rhythm
⤵️
Guitar Bus

Then i have another di L and R pair going into Guitar Lead also going i to Guitar Bus

[karmic plinth]

I know yours haha I was more meaning for Wagz

[vale vapor]

Repeat for however many tracks

[karmic plinth]

BUt I do the same, but I also have a Lead Gtr bus that goes into a Master Gt Bus

[vale vapor]

W

[formal hedge]

For me bussing inside a bus is only necessary if I have leads

[timber forum]

Di LT
Di RT
Bus
Lt
Rt

[karmic plinth]

Wait so you have your L &R tracks into a bus but then have additional L&R?

[timber forum]

I have a bus, then in that bus I have left and right double tracked guitars

[karmic plinth]

Oh I get you now haha Okay

[vale vapor]

Its not rlly a bus its just a pair in a folder

[timber forum]

Yeah sorry idk why I explained it like that haha

Left and right guitars are routed to the bus though?

[karmic plinth]

L&R > Bus > Master Bus?

[timber forum]

I’m confused lol

[vale vapor]

Essentially yeah

[formal hedge]

Yeah but what's the point in it if those are the only two tracks I have on the overall guitar bus

[vale vapor]

I don't have to duplicate all the processing

I can just throw both di tracks in a folder and all processing on the folder

[timber forum]

Wouldn’t the guitar bus just go to the master track anyways if it’s routed to it

[vale vapor]

yes

[karmic plinth]

Rhythm R & Rhythm L > Rhythm Bus - Added FX for Track here
Lead and Harmony (ior Lead L and Lead R if you fancy) to Lead Bus - Added FX for Track here

Rhythm Bus > Master Guitar Bus
Lead Bus > Master Guitar Bus

• Add Wide Band compression to the AMster Guitar Bus

Master guitar Bus > Mast Project Bus

[timber forum]

So I’m going it right then yeah? Lol

[karmic plinth]

This is my set up, the Master Guitar bus was at Xenons Rec and I noticed a huge difference

[timber forum]

That’s a lot of busses haha but yeah I get it

[karmic plinth]

I thought so too, but Honetly, It means I'm doing less lol

At first it seems alot but when it comes to Mixing I have found it significantly easier

[timber forum]

My guitar bus just has eq and multiband comp, my tracks within the buss have my gate, tube, amp

That’s just how I saw other people on YouTube set it up haha

[vale vapor]

it doesnt really matter as long as you're able to have an easy time processing everything

that's all that matters

that it sounds good and it isnt a pain to process

[timber forum]

Yeah I found it much easier then before when I didn’t know about busses, I would just process my seperate guitar tracks and I realized that was so wrong

[karmic plinth]

My Daw Buses So far at literally set up like this

CLEANS BUS
Vocals C
Vocals R
Vocals L

SCREAMS BUS
Lead C
Lead R
Lead L

Gtr Tracking

GUITAR BUS - Multi-Band Compression
RTHYM BUS - Pedal>Amp>EQ
Rhythm Gtr L
Rhythm Gtr R
Rhythm Gtr C

LEAD BUS - Pedal>Amp>EQ
Lead L
Lead R
Lead C

Bass - EQ

Drum track

DRUM BUS - - Multi-Band Compression
Kick
Snare
Ft1
Ft2
Mid Tom
Hi Tom
Hi Hat
R Crash
L Crash
Ryde
China
Splash

And because I know I'm about to be told I have too many leads, not all tracks have something it ha

[vale vapor]

why center guitar?

[karmic plinth]

Sometimes I want something to help "Boost"

[vale vapor]

Hmm

As long as it's a different part, that's ok

[karmic plinth]

I know it sounds weird, but the Chorus to my song has three rhythms

ONe on Left, One on Right and the Centre basically just "Bossts" the bass with the chugs

[vale vapor]

mmmmmmmmm

[karmic plinth]

I got the Idea from Through Struggle as they do 3 x Guitars in some "Chuggy" parts

[vale vapor]

I wouldn't recommend that

introducing more than 2 of the same part tracks causes weird phase issues and sounds cluttered

[karmic plinth]

eh it works and it's turned right down

[vale vapor]

Unless you're editing them incredible tightly, there's no reason to do it as it eats up all your headroom and the pick attacks won't perfeclty line up

[timber forum]

If quad tracking is this right?
Left and right guitars double tracked with full tone
An additional left and right with a different tone but just blended in ?

[karmic plinth]

Yeah I don't do it often, I just thought I'd try it and it worked,
The version I've been posting here has 4 guitar parts in it
Rhythm L, Rhythm R, Rhythm C and Lead

[vale vapor]

I also do not recommend this

Anything more than 2 tracks (L and R) of the same part is too much

I don't know why quad tracking is such a pervasive myth in the production space

[timber forum]

Yeah never tried it just curious

[karmic plinth]

Oh I should prefice that my 3 rhtyhm part all "slightly" differ

[vale vapor]

It just sounds bad, and almost none of your favorite records actually use proper quad tracking

The only type of triple or quad tracking you should do is when each pair plays a different part

That way it's more "wall of sound" and it doesn't matter if the pick attacks line up or not

[timber forum]

Like whitechapel haha

[vale vapor]

Yeee

[karmic plinth]

But yeah otherwise, I normally wouldn't Triple or Quadtrack because it can definitely mud it up

[vale vapor]

Obviously there are outliers, if you're trying to make drone music or something experimental, do whatever you want

[karmic plinth]

But also Centre Guitar can be if you're doing some kidn of weird edited intro

[vale vapor]

True

[karmic plinth]

I did always like how they used 3 guitarists ha

[trail bane]

jus a lil demo. Working with entirely free plugins, a minimal knowledge of mixing, and passion. It obv just finishes at the end suddenly cuz it aint done

[karmic plinth]

What a fucking sample holy

[vale vapor]

sounds great! could use a bit more beef overall but that's just me

[trail bane]

lmao

[vale vapor]

All free plugins is the method

[karmic plinth]

I really like this, but yeah could be a bit beefier but I think it sounds great

[trail bane]

Tonex gives no beef in the tone 💔

but im also ass at making tones

[vale vapor]

I mean the whole mix!

Tone sounds pretty good

Whole mix could use more compression

[trail bane]

ah true

[vale vapor]

Also i think the cymbals might be panned incorrectly, they sound narrow

Make sure your overheads are panned left and right

[trail bane]

havnt really gotten past simple EQs in the mixing as of now

[trail bane]

free drum plugin 💔

cant control individual parts

i dont think

wait

[karmic plinth]

I know some here recommend SSD.5 Free

I've tried it a little but haven't been happy with the outcomes so far and always end up back at Addictive drums

[vale vapor]

me, ssd5.5 free is great

[vale vapor]

Duplicate the vst/library and solo individual pieces

that way you can manually control it all

[vale vapor]

oh then kudos to you, sounds awesome

[trail bane]

ah sick

im using Krimh Drums free edition with Kontakt

[karmic plinth]

What out of the Drums indiviual tracks would you pan L & R?

Like this is how mine is usually set up
Kick
Snare
Ft1
Ft2
Mid Tom
Hi Tom
Hi Hat
R Crash
L Crash
Ryde
China
Splash

[trail bane]

wait theres a "crash left" and a "crash right" but I dont know if it means it panning wise or literally wise

[karmic plinth]

I think it literally means they are on the left and right of the drum kit, but Can't answer if they're default panned

[trail bane]

those crashes

[trail bane]

no clue

[karmic plinth]

I've been trying to work this out myself so if you find an answer, lmk

[trail bane]

yeah the mixer requires the paid version

its centre panned, I clicked it with nothing playing and the master audio thingy is showing it left and right

[timber forum]

Check out deviant drums and see what you think. I really like them. Bout to buy the full version

[vale vapor]

pan drums based on position relative to the drummer

crash L pan left
crash R pan right

[trail bane]

ill write it down

[karmic plinth]

Its tedias and a pain in the ass, but seperate out each drum to its own track and mix in the track, not in kontakt

[trail bane]

yes

[vale vapor]

Pan relative to the drummer's position

[karmic plinth]

Aww shit, my mix about to get even better

I'll do this over the weekend

[karmic plinth]

I want my SHIT FINISHED

[trail bane]

but ive been using one crash by using just the midi keyboard and choosing whichever one sounds better

[trail bane]

its 2am for me i should sleep buttttt

[karmic plinth]

I tend to go with R Crash alot because Snare

[vale vapor]

oh nah

🥀

[karmic plinth]

Its 11:!3am for me and I'm currently at work ha

[trail bane]

ive never been interested in drums I have no clue 😭

[trail bane]

its 2am for me and im unemployed

so i cant buy sick plugins

[karmic plinth]

I've been interested but not enough to learn until the last month

[vale vapor]

Write drums based on how a drummer plays

Left crash is called the main crash, that one is for the beginning of measures, the impactful parts
Right crash is called the accent crash, used to fill in the majority of the beat

[trail bane]

ive always hated programming drums

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYzfCX2Siy8

[trail bane]

ive got like a black metal demo from like 2 years ago and its genuinely got the most atrocious drum beat#

i think I deleted it

[karmic plinth]

I have a love/hate relationship with it

[vale vapor]

its so fun when you know how to do it

that video is the perfect video on it

[trail bane]

saving this shit omg

[vale vapor]

i give lessons btw ❤️

:O

[karmic plinth]

I love being able to put my visions out there without having to rely on others that I don't know nor have time to meet

[trail bane]

im broke sorry bro 💔

[karmic plinth]

@trail bane We'll learn together here haha

[trail bane]

lmao fr

[karmic plinth]

Sounds like you, me and Wagz are all in the same boat

[trail bane]

does this go over velocities? Thats the main part I need to figure out icl

[vale vapor]

yes

[trail bane]

peak

[vale vapor]

velocities are easy

[karmic plinth]

Oh man, I literally never play with velocitys, I'm almost always at 100% because I just don't know where I wouild lower it

[vale vapor]

Velocities are so easy

1 sec

lemme type it

[trail bane]

ive changed my velocities, idk if they any good tho

[trail bane]

i realised earlier ive mostly been moving my velocities UP instead of down but icba fixing it rn

[vale vapor]

if you want a natural sound:

• keep most hits at like 118-120
• first kick of every bar should be at 127
• most snare hits should be 120-127 (except fills and rolls)
• First tom hit in a fill should be 127, roll off velocity very slightly after the first hit of the fill

If you want a modern/punchy sound

• all kicks 127
• all snares 127 except fills and rolls
• all toms 127 except fills and rolls

Velocities are super super easy lol

[trail bane]

oh damn so i SHOULD be moving my velociities up

[timber forum]

Just try and think about a real drummer is what I do. If it’s a 4 on the floor beat he probably could hit them all at 100% . But if he’s doing fills, blast beats and fast shit he will never hit them 100%

[vale vapor]

YEs

SPOT ON

Four on the floor is always 127 no matter what LOL

unless you have a terrible drummer

[trail bane]

my blast beats are just 100 on first kick and the rest like 70-80ish

[vale vapor]

or are imitating a terrible drummer

[vale vapor]

good lord

that is low

I mean if it's a blast that makes sense though

[trail bane]

yeah i thought so

the long-ish blasts in my beat are all like that

[vale vapor]

I usually keep snares in my blast beat at like 40-50 and the kicks at like 60 except 127 on the first kick

first hits should almost ALWAYS be 127

there's no reason why a drummer wouldn't be able to do that

realistically

[trail bane]

i lowkey thought 100 was like 100% and 127 was like BOOSTING it harder than it should go

[timber forum]

Blast beat kick I keep around 100, snare about 60-80 depending. Triggers do exist with kicks so not so unrealistic

[karmic plinth]

127 Got it

I always thought 100 was more human esque

[trail bane]

^^

[karmic plinth]

But I'm also new to this and dunno what I'm really doing

[trail bane]

I need to like

fix my daw

make buses and shit

[karmic plinth]

Do it

[vale vapor]

no

[trail bane]

I been freestyling it, it would make any producer cry

[vale vapor]

127 is the max

there's no boosting midi

[vale vapor]

nah

Humans can hit drums at 127 lol

also the difference between 100 and 127 is GIGANTIC

[trail bane]

guess which ones which 🤣

[karmic plinth]

It seems like alot at first but Once its there, it makes things SO much easier

[vale vapor]

100 is basically a medium hit

[karmic plinth]

My brother in christ, label yo shit

[vale vapor]

yee and save it as a template so u dont have to remake busses every project

[trail bane]

oh i know

I do it for the memes

[karmic plinth]

Like I might have alot of unnecessary track but I just delete them if I don't use them,

Like having one set up for Cleans, then one set up for Acoustic guitars, even if I don't usethem, I'd rather NOT have to set them up ha

[karmic plinth]

Okay, Watch this space then, I'll update my track and repost once I've fxed the drum velocities and panning

But also, I'm going to Track Vocals this weekend, hopefully I can get it to a point I can master it

[vale vapor]

Lets goo

[karmic plinth]

I don't knwo how I'd publish it but I'll figure that out later lol

I don't even know how to master at this point

[balmy forum]

Xenon get that fuckin pfp off my screen

You are gumball

[karmic plinth]

But from what I've seen, mixing is the harder part

[trail bane]

ill look at it all tmrw

[trail bane]

yeah, I hate it

especially since I have shitty speakers and no wired headphones

[balmy forum]

@trail bane i haven’t met you before lol

[timber forum]

20$ in ears changed a lot for me. At least for roughing in

[karmic plinth]

I have shitty $20 Kmart speakers and I use my $30 Bluetooth Over ear headphones for recording

[vale vapor]

distrokid

[vale vapor]

bro can't fathom my handsome mug

[karmic plinth]

I know of, but haven't looked into memberhsips, how it works, pricing etc

[trail bane]

I lurk

[vale vapor]

its like $20/year for the standard tier i think

could be wrong

but it's worth

it just works by you upload music and then it gets released lol

[karmic plinth]

Where your face? In the vid? I haven't opened the vid lol

[trail bane]

I record raw with my speakers, I have no headphones that work with my scarlet solo

[karmic plinth]

$20 USD though?

[vale vapor]

my profile pic haha

[karmic plinth]

Ah didn't even notice haha

[vale vapor]

https://distrokid.com/product/distrokid/plans-and-pricing-2

cheapest tier

[karmic plinth]

Imma be so Real, USD to AUD is something dumb

[trail bane]

wait does distrokid put it on spotify and apple?

[vale vapor]

$25/year

yes

everywhere

[karmic plinth]

Everywhere

[trail bane]

thats peak

1.67 a month

[karmic plinth]

Hmm I Need to come up with a band name tbh

[trail bane]

i wont make a joke

[karmic plinth]

I'm too old for this shit joke haha

[trail bane]

im 17 and i also feel too old

[trail bane]

real

I have a few

not very good

names

[karmic plinth]

I thought about taking my old band name, but I feel like I should check with the other former members haha

[trail bane]

if they aint active with it anymore then who cares

[karmic plinth]

As we never went anywhere with it other then recording 3 live demos, unmixed in a community centre and threw them up on Sound cloud haha

[trail bane]

lmao

best way to do it

the most music ive released

is being an a youtubers video

singing a fortnite montage rap song

when I was 12

[karmic plinth]

https://m.soundcloud.com/user-648998334-18366543

This was that band haha

Im the vocalist and rhythm guitarist

Fortnite didnt exist when i was 12

[trail bane]

😭

unc

my wifi is being

so ass

ffs

[karmic plinth]

As long as you're not calling me Uncool thats okay, I get called unc all the time haha

[trail bane]

lmaoo

uncle

[trail bane]

sick ngl

[karmic plinth]

I've had people use it to mean both

[trail bane]

I wish i could sing at all 💔

I can scream very limited

I sound terrible

[karmic plinth]

I considered us Alternative Punk Rock, as we did a metal song, a hard rock song and punk song lol then we broke up due to scheduling issues and creative differences

[trail bane]

fairs

[karmic plinth]

I sound MUCH better now than I did 6 years ago when this was recorded

I was 24/25 when this was record, I'm 32 this year

[trail bane]

I'd be in a post hardcore band or a deathcore band, no inbetween 😭

[trail bane]

oh damn

[vale vapor]

post hardcore is my alltime fav genre

[karmic plinth]

Never got into Post Hard, Deathcore was okay depending on the band, but MEtalcore is where its at

[trail bane]

same probably

[karmic plinth]

I'm a Nu Metal/Metalcore/pop punk kid

[vale vapor]

i love metalcore and pop punk

[trail bane]

so ur a pussy

is what ur saying

jk

[karmic plinth]

I will end you

[vale vapor]

i never got into nu metal cause it wasnt as melodic

[trail bane]

HAHA

[trail bane]

I do like some

I think Korn is absolutely godawful

and cringe

[karmic plinth]

I can understand that at least,

I think ti depends on the band, I was mostly Linkin Park, Korn, Slipknot, Limp Bizkit, Soad and Sevendust and Mudvayne

[trail bane]

i like slipknot, sevendust, mudvayne

and a bit of Linkin park

[vale vapor]

my top albums of the last 90 days

[trail bane]

ima steal a lot of these albums

[karmic plinth]

Linkin Park is my favourite band of all time and my biggest influence

[karmic plinth]

Should've casually did a shameless self promo

[trail bane]

I wanted to learn some linkin park riffs so I got the tabs up and was pissed off because they were all so easy and most of the verses was just literally no guitar ;sob

[vale vapor]

LOL

[trail bane]

😭

[karmic plinth]

I still go back to "you call that a knife, this is a knife" by Capture

I love their Line "your time is up, look me in the eyes you SlT, your time is up bitch, you filthy fucking cnt" then breakdown, so good

[vale vapor]

That song is amazing

The album is incredible

[trail bane]

my current "heavy rotation" playlist

[vale vapor]

Insomnia is the best track imo

[karmic plinth]

Brad Delson intentionaly did easy riffs and his idea was to make it sound like a sample so Mike could Rap over them

[trail bane]

chocolate jackolope and toute le mond is there accidentally

[trail bane]

probably

[karmic plinth]

I just have a playlist called Metalingus and its jsut anythign Metal lol

[trail bane]

lmao

[vale vapor]

LOL

[trail bane]

I mostly listen to that

[vale vapor]

I separate my playlists by genres

[trail bane]

I have some great playlists

[karmic plinth]

I go through phases, I have one of literally everything and its called the great big book of everything, then I have seperate them

[trail bane]

I keep tryna make "everything" playlists

but i have so much music

I get bored and give up

[vale vapor]

i had over 30gb of music in my library but i accidentally deleted it all about 3 months ago and it forced me to trim it down

now i'm at like 17gb

[trail bane]

one of my playlists

[vale vapor]

got rid of a lot of dead weight

[trail bane]

i can imagine

[karmic plinth]

I think I have 34k songs in it - Its 209 hours of music

[trail bane]

i have a tenth of that many songs in my playlist

thats 217 hours

so either ur songs are all under a minute

or ur wrong

[karmic plinth]

Maybe I misread a 0 and its 3400 lol

[vale vapor]

LOLL

[trail bane]

ah

[vale vapor]

I have just over 7 days of music

[karmic plinth]

idk spotify on my phone doesn't tell me

[trail bane]

i use apple

[karmic plinth]

just tells me the hours

[karmic plinth]

ew

I mean oh yeah

[trail bane]

my dad pays for it

🤷‍♂️

I wish I had a high pitched voice

so bad

I wanna be like fucking Kellin QUinn

[karmic plinth]

Nah I'm playing lol, whatever you listen to your music on is cool

[vale vapor]

i dont have a high pitched voice but i trained myself to hit high notes

now i can sing em

[karmic plinth]

I personally never got into SWS

[vale vapor]

I LOVE SWS RAGH

[trail bane]

most of sws is shit

[vale vapor]

CAP

[karmic plinth]

I'm a Tenor and typically sing in some kind of F range haha

[trail bane]

their new songs are fucking goated

[vale vapor]

first two albums are where it's at

everything else sucks but the new singles are actually good

[karmic plinth]

I like the James Dean song and some other newer song that I've forgotten the name of

Oh and the one he did for sonic the hedghog

[trail bane]

in my chest voice I can hit a B3

[vale vapor]

use mixed voice

[trail bane]

still learning

cant figure it out

still cant make the difference between head voice and falsetto

[vale vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-bxG9UrXI8

[vale vapor]

they are the same thing

[trail bane]

no they arent

[vale vapor]

Yes

they are

[karmic plinth]

I think I sing in a blend of Billie Joe from Green Day and Ben Burnley of Breaking Benjamin

[vale vapor]

Falsetto is the technical name for "head voice"

it's the same function

[karmic plinth]

Somewhere around there, I'm not a "high" singer

[vale vapor]

Your voice only has two registers:
M1 and M2

M1 is chest voice, thick true fold mass
M2 is head voice, aka falsetto, thin true fold mass

[vale vapor]

It's the same register

(technically yeah there's M0.5 which is fry register blah blah)

[trail bane]

oh yeah the same register, but still different things

[vale vapor]

Only difference is chord closure

[karmic plinth]

I did know this actually, I just am not trained, and taught myself to sing to Disney music and 90's boy bands, and screaming to things like Slipknot and stuff haha

[vale vapor]

but they are the same thing

[vale vapor]

based

im self taught as well

[trail bane]

I can only fry scream

[karmic plinth]

So I can pull off the more poppy music but can sound like I want to rip ya throat out haha

[trail bane]

none of the methods for false chords have worked for me

[karmic plinth]

Lucky, Idk what I do

[trail bane]

I end up just mongolian throat singing

[trail bane]

fair enough

fry screaming is the easiet

so probably that

[karmic plinth]

My screams can be heard higher up in this chat, but idk was technique it is, I just do

[trail bane]

i have no recordings of mine

I tried doing vocals on one of my demos

but I hated my voice

[karmic plinth]

^

[vale vapor]

heres some of my higher singing

[karmic plinth]

The one i just pinged is me

[vale vapor]

i'm the one singing "are you listening" and then i sing everything after the scream (the other vocalist is my friend michael)

[formal hedge]

What are we on about bro

[trail bane]

idk if I was just doing the sounds I wanted wrong or thats just what it sounds like with my voice

[trail bane]

bro thats fucking nuts

[vale vapor]

I do not have a high voice, i had to train it to sing high in mixed voice

[trail bane]

how many years that take you?

[vale vapor]

I started singing seriously when i was like 14 i think

So wow its been 6 years 😭

doesnt feel like it's been that long

i unlocked mixed voice somewhere around year 2 or 3

[trail bane]

ive always liked singing

[vale vapor]

this video is incredibly helpful

[trail bane]

jesus fuck thats too long 💔

[vale vapor]

you can unlock it faster

[trail bane]

it took me about 2 weeks to get a half decent fry scream

[vale vapor]

I just have bad propreoception

[trail bane]

fair

I just sing in the shower

[vale vapor]

i sing while driving

[trail bane]

I am always a half step off when I sing things