♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[open iris]

yes

[lusty orchid]

with a semi/fully modular you just don't plug them into the psu

part of it

[spare sedge]

does a fully modular psu with only the cables in use run better or no?

[lusty orchid]

some cases (itx) you really don't want extra cables laying about due to the limited room

[open iris]

no

[spare sedge]

than a non modular with only the cables in use plugged in

[lusty orchid]

nope

[spare sedge]

what benefit does cable management provide that isnt aesthetic

[lusty orchid]

well for one, it makes it easier for tracing what's connected where

[haughty quail]

Cable management can prevent clogged airflow

[lusty orchid]

this secondly

and thirdly not all cases can you just stuff away the cables you're not using

[haughty quail]

Imagine a water hose and then you twist it but are still running water. There are chances the water won't fully go through - just to add a comparison lol

[haughty quail]

Exactly

[lusty orchid]

that works better as an analogy for when using extensions

[haughty quail]

To be honest, I understand why aesthetics don't 100% matter but they aren't useless. You paid money for good parts so I'd rather see the parts in good shape than not. Cable management just shows you care about what you bought

[haughty quail]

It could be an analogy for anything that's disorganized imo and requires energy but I agree with you as well

[lusty orchid]

i would draw akin to a birds nest for those who don't have it cable managed

[haughty quail]

Before she asks how it helps with airflow: having disorganized cables allows dust to build up and ruin the airflow

[lusty orchid]

because wires can knot up and jam together which can lead to a point of failure over time

[open iris]

also air happens to move better through nothingness than through cables

[haughty quail]

Real

[lusty orchid]

aka turbulence

[haughty quail]

That's true as well. I just don't think it showcases why it's important to have cable management, it just shows it being disorganized. I think she is asking about the specific function so it's better to use an analogy that states "not having X can lead to consequence of Y"

Knowing dream, just saying "imagine a bird's nest" will not draw any connections in her mind 😭

[lusty orchid]

well poorly cable managed = removing all the cables to just find that 1 you want

[haughty quail]

Yep, but she thinks it's purely aesthetic

[lusty orchid]

cable managed but layered and easy to get at

[spare sedge]

is there airflow down there

[lusty orchid]

there is

[spare sedge]

but doeant a shroud direct airflow

[lusty orchid]

yes and no

[spare sedge]

so full mod isnt worth if there is a shroud

[lusty orchid]

a solid shroud would, a mesh shroud doesn't

[lusty orchid]

incorrect

[spare sedge]

well thats what i meant. i never even heard of a mesh shroud

[haughty quail]

A shroud can direct airflow, but having obstacles in front can block the airflow and make it less effective

[lusty orchid]

the picture of a 4000d airflow's shroud is mesh

[open iris]

eh its just nicer to have less cables in the case youre not using

[open iris]

also for the airflow some people legit just leave their pcs like this lmao

[haughty quail]

😟

[lusty orchid]

tbf that's a sub 2010 case where you need to cable manage it in a way like how oem's would originally do it

not an expert but i can tell you that it can be easilly cable managed and increase the airflow inside it

[brave brook]

Back before cases had motherboard trays

Has dream cemented anything about power supplies into her brain

[spare sedge]

are those noctua fans

so something with bad cable management has bad airflow which means it has a higher all around temp which can hinder performance

[haughty quail]

those are

why are noctua fans crap brown?

oh nvm

its so that people know that its from noctua

[lusty orchid]

because to noctua black = premium

[haughty quail]

its a marketing trick

so people imediatly know its noctua

[lusty orchid]

also they love reminding people what taco tuesday/thursday looks like

[spare sedge]

yeah they look horrible tbh

[haughty quail]

its kinda cool

[lusty orchid]

fun fact, best air cooler is only $34

[haughty quail]

shit pc 💩

[haughty quail]

noctua good at making air coolers

[lusty orchid]

meanwhile thermalright doing it better for less

[haughty quail]

yeah

[vast geyser]

u can prob buy a pa120 and a t30

for cheaper

and perform better

sadly i dont think a t30 will fit in the middle

[lusty orchid]

pa 120 + p12 max you mean

[lusty orchid]

nope, as it's 30mm thick

[vast geyser]

p12 max in the middle, t30 at the front

actually

what thickness is the lian li p28

28mm

p12 max in the middle, p28 in the front

this is the way

[spare sedge]

okay so i understand modular i think

what is psu type?

[vast geyser]

wdym by type

IOH

the size

sfx, atx

you pretty much only care about those 2 since the rest is server stuff

[lusty orchid]

modular would a kind of type

otherwise there's atx,sfx, flex-atx

and a couple others

you only need to focus on atx psu's

[spare sedge]

i meant this

[vast geyser]

?

[haughty quail]

?

[open iris]

didnt know mini itx was a thing heard of all the others

[lusty orchid]

that's just different models from different brands

[vast geyser]

i only knew of atx and sfx

[lusty orchid]

i know of flex, atx and sfx tbh

most expensive of the 3 is flex atx

second most expensive is sfx for the better part

[vast geyser]

eh, eh

theyre sometimes on some decent sales

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Lt3NnQ/phanteks-revolt-sfx-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-sfx-power-supply-ph-p750gsf like almost the same price as an atx one

[lusty orchid]

with a $25 mail rebate yeah but they're essentially going for atx/matx build

[vast geyser]

yep, just saying

[spare sedge]

wth is flex atx

[vast geyser]

server

[spare sedge]

wdym youve never heard of itx

[open iris]

I meant as a psu form factor

[vast geyser]

mini itx and sfx is different

in psus

[spare sedge]

wtf is sfx

[vast geyser]

...

what

small farm factor

[spare sedge]

thats sff

[vast geyser]

same thing

[spare sedge]

how

[vast geyser]

it just is

[spare sedge]

that makes no sense

[vast geyser]

sfx is i think for psus maybe

same shit anyway

dont worry bout it too much

[spare sedge]

wdym its for psus

[vast geyser]

..

u can move those cogs in the brain

[lusty orchid]

sfx also covers that when it's psu's

[lusty orchid]

depends, it's usable for sff builds, replacements for oem psu's, and servers

sff covers a whole build type, does not cover psu/gpu fully

[spare sedge]

idek what you are saying

[vast geyser]

great

SFF = SFX

inform me what the difference is

[spare sedge]

one stands for small form factor

[vast geyser]

and what does the other stand for

[spare sedge]

idk

[vast geyser]

so im not wrong

[spare sedge]

what?

[vast geyser]

so ure contradicting me

while not knowing the answer urself

while everything points to me being right

[spare sedge]

no. youre the one who doesnt know the answer

[vast geyser]

surely

[spare sedge]

i dont even need to know that what it stands for to know they arent the same thing

[vast geyser]

what could it possibly stand for

[spare sedge]

sff is just for the whole build and doesnt even matter or mean anything really cause itx is more specific.

[vast geyser]

.

..

[spare sedge]

and sff isnt for cases either

[vast geyser]

sfx means small

ill stand corrected when you provide evidence

[brave brook]

Sfx and sff are the same

Sfx is specifically the small form factor psus

[willow hamlet]

👆

[brave brook]

Hehe

[spare sedge]

i already know what sff is

[vast geyser]

and sfx is the same as sff

synonims

[spare sedge]

is the x just silent kmao

[brave brook]

No

its pronounced "S F X"

[willow hamlet]

Basically if you are doing an ITX build SFF or SFX is probably the best size of PSU to get

[brave brook]

sfx is sff

[spare sedge]

that makes no sense to me

[brave brook]

so for itx, you need an sfx (possibly an sfx-l) psu

[vast geyser]

its not a hard concept to understand

[vast geyser]

itx cases r so versatile you cant be sure

[spare sedge]

sff isnt even a type of case

[willow hamlet]

I’ve seen some people fit a full sized one in an itx case before lmao

[brave brook]

yes it is

[vast geyser]

sff means small farm factor

[spare sedge]

find one case that says the type is sff

[vast geyser]

it can be applied to anything

[brave brook]

there are small form factor cases lmao

[vast geyser]

its a very wide term

[spare sedge]

we can just come back to it later

what is efficiency rating?

[open iris]

Sff isn't a standard it's literally just a term to describe what it means

[vast geyser]

ok so like

ure planning a van life

and dont know what efficiency means

[spare sedge]

nope

[vast geyser]

its literally in the name though

[brave brook]

how much wall power is used vs how much power is delivered

[spare sedge]

youre not makimg any sense to me

[vast geyser]

the efficiency of the power supply

?

[vast geyser]

80+ white, bronze, silver, gold, platinum, titanium?

[spare sedge]

oh so its just the efficiency of the psu?

[brave brook]

and bronze

yes

[vast geyser]

how tf did that not cross my mind

[brave brook]

lol

[spare sedge]

then wtf is 80 and all this bs

[vast geyser]

the company that gives the certification

[spare sedge]

where is the efficiency number

like the actual meaning

[vast geyser]

you have to use 3rd party reviewers to find the efficiency

[spare sedge]

like it wouldnt be gbps

[brave brook]

80% of the power from the wall is delivered

[spare sedge]

itd be something else

[vast geyser]

its.. wattage

70% 80%

[spare sedge]

no cause the wattage is a separate thing on here too

[brave brook]

no its not

[spare sedge]

it is

[vast geyser]

its literally how efficient the psu is

next question

[spare sedge]

which is my next question

what is wattage

[vast geyser]

u know the answer to that

please

[brave brook]

are you kidding me

[brave brook]

volts x amps = watts

[spare sedge]

ik that my cpu and gpu have a certain wattage

[vast geyser]

holy fuck

😭

[spare sedge]

idk shit about volts or amps or watts or wattage lmao

[lusty orchid]

this

[spare sedge]

but im gonna be a master at the end of this

[vast geyser]

wattage means how much power it can supply

[brave brook]

https://battlebornbatteries.com/amps-volts-watts/

[vast geyser]

do u not have physics classes over there in the US

[lusty orchid]

and as for silver, while it's not used, models that was silver efficiency got split into gold and bronze

[vast geyser]

oh so thats why i dont see any silver rated

[lusty orchid]

not really

[lusty orchid]

yeah, prime example is the cx-f line

[vast geyser]

goated

[lusty orchid]

from corsair

[brave brook]

for the record, that was a 2 second search

[vast geyser]

i wanted to learn but forgor

[brave brook]

that should have been done by dream

[open iris]

i may of got a d in physics but i know this much

[vast geyser]

wtf amps and volts were

[lusty orchid]

to work out wattage, it's volts X amps = watts

[vast geyser]

on a "technical" level

[brave brook]

lies

not a technical level

[vast geyser]

hence the " "

[open iris]

electricity is frankly the only reason i hated physics it's way too long and filled with garbage to know

[brave brook]

should be common knowledge

[open iris]

yet for at least my school it was 60% of the course

[vast geyser]

nah i just never knew what the difference between volts and amps was

[lusty orchid]

eh, ohms law, and knowing how to work out wattage, amperage and volts covers you for most of it

[open iris]

you also had shit like electromagnetic induction, resistence, magnetic fields, semiconductors, electroemotive force etc

too mcuh for my small brain

and too many formulas

[lusty orchid]

the 2 most used equations when dealing with electrics

[open iris]

compared to like lenses its not fun

there you literally just remember 1/u + 1/v = 1/f and the chapters golden

[vast geyser]

i swear im not dumb i just

[brave brook]

it isnt always intuitive

[open iris]

found an old pdf of my physics book this was everything. very not fond memories

[vast geyser]

anyway lads

lets not

[lusty orchid]

til you're dealing with ohm's law

[vast geyser]

i have a week left till school starts

stop it

[open iris]

kinda sidetracked lmao

thankfully never have to look at a physics book again though

couldnt escape math tho /:

[brave brook]

i cant believe we were asked what watts are

[lusty orchid]

tbf, magnets/magnetic fields in electricity is only worth it if you're building a generator from scratch

but the cost of making one, it's cheaper to buy a turbine instead

[haughty quail]

Wish we had a school chat or smth

[spare sedge]

yeah thatd be nice. but it should really be a school forum

so that people can just ask the thing instead of it being just a silly tech chat thing.

itd be more valuable than reddit or quora combined easily

so amps and ampere are the same thing

how do you pronounce ampere

[vast geyser]

uh

with your mouth

[spare sedge]

and is amp the letter I in equations

[spice yacht]

please keep this thread on topic. If off topic conversation continues this thread will be locked.
thank you

[vast geyser]

1984

[teal pond]

dream with the pc you are building a 1000w psu will be ideal

plenty of headroom

[vast geyser]

going with 990 pros and not buying an ax1600i

[teal pond]

waste of money, only heavy overclockers will need that psu

990 pros have reduced power consumption too

or better power usage or somethin

[vast geyser]

r u insane

its like 2w difference

[teal pond]

I didn’t realize that was you woopy 💀

you changed your pfp

[vast geyser]

crazy

ye

[teal pond]

still a difference

[vast geyser]

uh

[brave brook]

Not something to care at all about

[vast geyser]

u realize it would be a better of a difference to buy a higher tier psu

[teal pond]

ye

[brave brook]

Undervolt your cpu and gpu before you buy “efficient” ssds

[teal pond]

ye

isnt there platinum 1000w ones

[vast geyser]

ofc there are