♡ i am still building my first pc ever ♡

[teal pond]

or a debate

[brave brook]

ive tried to stop multiple arguments (except the ones i had with pokey)

[haughty quail]

idk ngl dream just ignoring most of us when we confront her or dont agree or smthn like that

Cause she gives people smth to argue about 🤣

[haughty quail]

why not stop with pokey?

WHO IS POKEY

thats the worst kind of arguement

[haughty quail]

@solar cliff

[haughty quail]

he shitposted here a lot

Ahh, I see

yeah

[brave brook]

he was like "you should check what humidity and temperature youll be operating in to make sure the cooler can handle it."

[haughty quail]

yeah lmao

[spare sedge]

im actually shocked this isnt his pfp

[haughty quail]

https://tenor.com/view/yh-gif-25406060

[teal pond]

“if you live in South Africa, you’ll need a 420mm aio.”

[brave brook]

the rog 4090 can sit in 50C
the 7950x3d will be more than cooled with a 360mm aio

[haughty quail]

LMAO

[haughty quail]

https://tenor.com/view/me_when-medic_tf2-medic-tf2-team-fortress2-gif-26480318

[haughty quail]

exctly

[spare sedge]

okay so my next question about cases

what on earth is this

[haughty quail]

bro

thats gpu slots right?

[teal pond]

expansion slots

they are used for gpu

holding it

[spare sedge]

this is for cases

[teal pond]

they hold the gpu

[brave brook]

lemme answer it

[haughty quail]

its gpu slot

[teal pond]

creeper boy is better at answering tbh

[haughty quail]

i mean we do all bombard her with answers

[spare sedge]

and then also what is full height vs full height via riser? whats a riser?

[haughty quail]

uh oh me not remember

CREEPER BOY SAY SOMETHING

[brave brook]

getting a picture lel

Red is the 7 full height brackets
Yellow is the 2 riser brackets.

the riser runs from the top pcie slot to the bottom of the riser brackets

the 2 means you can only fit dual slot gpus (i wouldnt recommend this because the fans would be choked by the tempered glass side panel)

[haughty quail]

now i remember what riser is 🙂

[brave brook]

use bold instead xD

[haughty quail]

i using bold too much

stupid warship

[brave brook]

the real way to do vertical gpu mounting would be a conversion kit

its actually really convenient i have this case

[brave brook]

@spare sedge

[spare sedge]

so thats the rear panel

[brave brook]

yep

[spare sedge]

i thought expansion slots were motherboard pcie slots

[brave brook]

theyre used in tandem

pcie expansion brackets and pcie slots

[brave brook]

whats under the "more definitions"

[teal pond]

dream good brands for cases are Corsair, Lian li, nzxt, phanteks, and fractal design. If you plan on comparing cases, compare those brands.

[spare sedge]

so even though they are called expansion slots on pcpp, they are really more like expansion brackets and they are used for the expansion slots on the motherboard??

[brave brook]

in tandem
"alongside each other; together"

[brave brook]

yes, exactly

[spare sedge]

what does / what can an expansion bracket do for the expansion slot that the expansion slot cant do by itself?

[brave brook]

the bracket is used to secure whatever card is being plugged in, so there isnt as much strain on the pcie slot on the motherboard

[spare sedge]

cause the graphics card is heavy

so like what it screws into the expansion bracket and it helps keep it from sagging basically?

[teal pond]

you can buy gpu brackets to vertically mount and prevent sagging

[spare sedge]

what about the other expansion cards

[spare sedge]

ive seen those

[brave brook]

theyre all the same

[spare sedge]

but those are different from expansion brackets right?

[brave brook]

you, dream should buy a gpu support bracket, for van life

[spare sedge]

is it just cause its heavy?

[teal pond]

you put them in those then add gpu (I think)

[teal pond]

Yes

[spare sedge]

ive always wanted one after seeing it

[teal pond]

that will benefit

[brave brook]

even with the liquid suprim being "smaller" in the pcie slot

[teal pond]

its always good to have secure components, even if you dont have it in a van

[brave brook]

not really, i mean, it does prevent sag, but its only connected on one side, so theres only so much you can do to secure one side to keep the other side from sagging

[spare sedge]

yeah i like the idea of it regardless i think it so dumb that the gpu just hangs there

[brave brook]

if i had the liquid suprim in a pc on my desk, i wouldnt use a support bracket

[spare sedge]

so what else is the expansion bracket good for

[teal pond]

i wouldnt unless it saga which it shouldn’t

sags*

[spare sedge]

besides physical support

[brave brook]

it just provides physical support

[spare sedge]

also

[brave brook]

and ig its a way for all the ports of any card you plug in can be accessible from the outside

[spare sedge]

why does it say i have 7 of them

[teal pond]

there is 7 slots

[spare sedge]

so like the rear io on a mb

i thought the whole thing was a "full height"

so its just each individual rectangle thing

[haughty quail]

full height is size of gpu

[brave brook]

the full height is distinguishing from "low profile" brackets

[spare sedge]

so there is full height and low profile expansion slots / brackets

is there mid height

[haughty quail]

no

[spare sedge]

or medium profile

[haughty quail]

no

[teal pond]

no, it’s low profile and normal

[spare sedge]

and normal is just full height

lmao

[teal pond]

yes

[spare sedge]

okayy

[haughty quail]

lp is for like old office pcs

[spare sedge]

so i saw the vertical ones in yellow

[haughty quail]

yeah

[brave brook]

heres the difference between full height and lp

[spare sedge]

what is a riser

[haughty quail]

riser is the vertical one

right?

[brave brook]

a big ribbon cable for pcie

[spare sedge]

oh so one is just longer. i was thinking thinner

[haughty quail]

oh right mb

[teal pond]

they are same width

[haughty quail]

gpus already pretty thin

minus cooler

[spare sedge]

so two of the expansion brackets come with a ribbon cable for each one?

on this case

[teal pond]

yeah there is a big difference in looped gpu sizes and unlooped

[brave brook]

no, the ribbon cable is separate, and you can only really use 1

[haughty quail]

no they are vertical

[spare sedge]

what does looped and unlooped mean

[haughty quail]

you need a riser

for the vertical ones

[teal pond]

just custom cooling vs no

[haughty quail]

water cooled and air cooled

[teal pond]

a loop is custom water cooled

[spare sedge]

is the ribbon cable in this picture?

[haughty quail]

there isnt one in pic

[spare sedge]

so riser = ribbon cable

[haughty quail]

yes

[brave brook]

what picture

[spare sedge]

whoops

[haughty quail]

looks like this kinda

and you plug into gpu

[brave brook]

no, i dont have one, and i dont have the gpu vertical

[brave brook]

not kinda, it is that

[haughty quail]

people like vertical gpus for aesthetics

[spare sedge]

so its basically an extension cord that you can use but you dont have to use it

[haughty quail]

yeah i was just showing the cable

[haughty quail]

if you want vertical then you need it

[spare sedge]

what is a vertical gpu

[haughty quail]

bro

look at yellow brackets again

[teal pond]

literally just a vertically mounted gpu

[haughty quail]

holy shit my brain

[spare sedge]

isnt that still horizontal tho

[brave brook]

no

[haughty quail]

what

no

[teal pond]

it’s vertical

[brave brook]

the fans face out instead of down

[spare sedge]

its just turned on its side

[haughty quail]

which is vertical

🤯 holy shit

you mean like

length wise up and down???

thatd be ridiculous

[spare sedge]

vertical would be

[brave brook]

no

[spare sedge]

is this possible

[brave brook]

thats not what vertical means in this context

[haughty quail]

no

[haughty quail]

no its not

[brave brook]

on some cases

[haughty quail]

wait what

[spare sedge]

okayy

[brave brook]

not there exactly,

[teal pond]

very few cases

can do that

[brave brook]

the o11 d evo

[spare sedge]

maybe a special shroud bracket lmao

[haughty quail]

who tf would do that bro

[teal pond]

a menace

[spare sedge]

is vertical mount better

[brave brook]

some one

[teal pond]

Personal preference

[brave brook]

depends on how its done

[spare sedge]

like is it better for performance

and cooling

[brave brook]

no

[haughty quail]

not really

[teal pond]

not so much with the liquid one

[haughty quail]

maybe the slightest bit

[teal pond]

very small difference if any with the air one

[brave brook]

best case scenario, its the same, worst case scenario, its worse

[brave brook]

it aint gonna do shit with the liquid suprim

basically the only reason ppl vertical mount, is to show off their gpu

[spare sedge]

so wait how does the bracket know where to punch out the holes if it doesnt know which gpu you will pick

[brave brook]

its replaced lol

[spare sedge]

is it called a gpu rear io

[brave brook]

the gpu has its own bracket that replaces the case ones. the case brackets are just to cover the gaps (for blocking emi, a lot thatll do)

[brave brook]

id just call it the gpu ports, video ports, or something like that

[spare sedge]

what is emi

[brave brook]

electromagnetic interference

[spare sedge]

oh that seems important

[brave brook]

not really, when the entire side of your case is glass

[spare sedge]

is emi bad

[brave brook]

not really, to my knowlege

also considering cell service, and wifi

the little bit that gets out of the back of your pc aint gonna add much to that

[spare sedge]

so how does the gpu "replace" the expansion bracket?

i thought it needed it for physical support

[brave brook]

the gpu has its own, as i said

usually either 2 or 3 slots, depending on the gpu

[spare sedge]

wdym. like 2 or 3 brackets?

[brave brook]

you need to remove 2-3 brackets for the gpu

[spare sedge]

you can remove them??

[brave brook]

yes lol

[spare sedge]

how

[brave brook]

with the (usually) thumb screws

[spare sedge]

oh is that how the gpu has its rear io facing out

[brave brook]

yes

i said that too

[spare sedge]

so its customizeable then?

[brave brook]

the gpu ports?

[spare sedge]

can you take all the brackets out?

[brave brook]

yeah, but its not gonna do anything

[spare sedge]

what about emi

[brave brook]

theyre just there to look nice

[spare sedge]

oh well what if i dont like them

[haughty quail]

how would you put the gpu in 🤣

[brave brook]

if the entire side of your case is glass, all the emi will get out there

[brave brook]

then take them out, no one cares

[spare sedge]

thats where i was confused. i thought it was just support to hold it in place

[brave brook]

but i can almost guarentee itll look worse

[haughty quail]

its a cover

[brave brook]

have you watched a build video?

[spare sedge]

why doesnt the side panel hold the 4th side of the gpu up

[haughty quail]

like how you can put a knife in a sheath, but for the case

[brave brook]

because it needs to be removed

[spare sedge]

oh yeah

for troubleshooting probably

[brave brook]

and to put everything in in the first place

[spare sedge]

i guess itd be hard to see if it wasnt glass

[brave brook]

see what

[haughty quail]

see what?

[brave brook]

you can take the side panel off

[spare sedge]

the 4th support from a side panel in a theoretical design

but anyway

[haughty quail]

how would you get to the parts if it didnt com off lmfao

[brave brook]

the way that'd be done is screwing it in from the outside

[spare sedge]

i think im on board

[haughty quail]

maybe

prob not

[spare sedge]

so does the case impact performance at all

like airflow

[haughty quail]

airflow would impact thermals

[brave brook]

no, other than airflow

[spare sedge]

or like pc performance

[haughty quail]

thermal throttling ig

but you dont rly need to worry about that

[brave brook]

the airflow is the main reason for chosing a case

[haughty quail]

exactly

[spare sedge]

so very light temperature performance gains

[brave brook]

uhhhhhh

[spare sedge]

but not real performance

[brave brook]

nothing will be as good as an open test bench for thermals

[haughty quail]

i mean like shes gonna use an aio right?

[spare sedge]

so picking a case is like picking a motherboard but less

its a feature based choice

[haughty quail]

what?

[spare sedge]

like motherboards dont really impact performance

[brave brook]

for you: find a case that looks nice, check its fan configuration, and aio support, and front panel, and buy

[haughty quail]

yeah

[spare sedge]

but they can on a very small scale

[haughty quail]

yeah

[spare sedge]

when choosing a motherboard you choose it based off the features and add ons

[haughty quail]

yes

[spare sedge]

is that what you do with a case

since theres no benchmarks

[haughty quail]

i mean yeah

[spare sedge]

unless there is case airflow benchmarks

[brave brook]

if theres any specific features you want (e.g. drive bays, radiator support)

[brave brook]

gamers nexus makes a yearly "best case" video

[spare sedge]

what is radiator support.

[brave brook]

how big of radiators are supported and how many

[spare sedge]

can you post this years in here for 2023

i dont see the radiator support listed in the case specs on pcpp

[brave brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYM9t4c_ev0&pp=ygUWZ2FtZXJzIG5leHVzIGJlc3QgY2FzZQ%3D%3D

[spare sedge]

thank youu

[brave brook]

4000D:
top: 280mm
front: 360mm (possibly with removed hard drive bays depending on rad thickness and gpu length

with your configuration, you kinda need 360mm in the front and top, because of your gpu's radiator

requiring at least a 5000D, or a 7000D

[spare sedge]

is 5000d another model

[brave brook]

imagine the 4000D, but bigger

[spare sedge]

where did you get the 280mm and 360mm numbers from

[brave brook]

i know that the front is tripple 120 (which is 360mm), and the top is dual 140 (which is 280)

i memorized it because its my case

also please tell me you know that "mm" is millimeters

well, i gtg now, gn

[spare sedge]

ohhh

i do know mm is millimeters

they keep talking about mesh

[lusty orchid]

there are benchmarks for motherboards and cases, gamernexus for cases, hardware unboxed for mobo's

though you have to realise, getting the best of everything does not mean you're gettign the best for your use case

[lusty orchid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtHOOyWYiic

[lusty orchid]

tbf the side panels barely add any support in any case unless it's a super cheap case that uses the flimsiest build

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTFUa60ozKY

[vast geyser]

usually cases that have a mesh front and decent fans are like the same

[brave brook]

What about it

[green echo]

im still convinced this thread is a troll

[haughty quail]

yeah kind of a bs thread

but i stay

[brave brook]

I wouldn’t be able to keep up a troll this long

[haughty quail]

idk man

kinda seems like it

[green echo]

you underestimate people

[haughty quail]

yep

[haughty quail]

Unfortunately people like this are real

But I hope it is

[brave brook]

….

[haughty quail]

yep

[brave brook]

You hope this is a troll?

[haughty quail]

JIM 😠

BAD JIM

[spare sedge]

what are the benchmarks for? what do they test? and what do they compare? do you have any examples? because i cant find any

[spare sedge]

are the same as what

[spare sedge]

for cases or case benchmarks

[vast geyser]

temps

[vast geyser]

gamersnexus

has reviews for a bunch of popular cases

[open iris]

He tests the thermals and noise from case fans in his case reviews

Also usually comments on how easy it is to build in and cable manage

But his main focus is performance

[lusty orchid]

did you watch the hardware unbox vid?

[brave brook]

benchmarks test anything someone might care about in a product. they compare similar products in a certain category

[spare sedge]

im at work. but i will. but im asking about cases not motherboards

i watched that one by gamernexus for 2023

[lusty orchid]

ah well like the others said, for case benchmarking it's the airflow + component temps, mainly cpu and gpu

[spare sedge]

a bench case might even be mote up my alley

[spare sedge]

so its just airflow temp stuff

any videos like that?

[lusty orchid]

a case that doesn't have good airflow ends up making the components inside run hotter

[spare sedge]

yeah but is that its only metric you could optimize if wanted

[lusty orchid]

you'll need to look through gamernexus case review vids

[spare sedge]

he doesnt really review them tho

he just talks about them

im looking for actual benchmarks and testing

[lusty orchid]

which is a way to review them

[spare sedge]

im looking for airflow comparisons

[open iris]

he definitely does benchmark them though

[lusty orchid]

he does a standardized test which takes out any possible discrepencies

[open iris]

He shows temperature comparisons that's effectively the same thing

[lusty orchid]

to compare airflow you need to compare the temps a cpu and gpu gets inside it and the noise for when fans are running

[spare sedge]

oh wow so this is him

yeah this is exactly what i wanted

[lusty orchid]

he does this alot

[spare sedge]

i cant believe there is a brand called be quiet

wait so cases can make noise?

[open iris]

the case fans

[open iris]

he tortures himself testing lmao this one was funny when i saw it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUeZQ3pky-w

[lusty orchid]

but when buying pc parts to build a pc, you buy based on use case as tbh gettign the most expensive of everything doesn't mean you're getting the best for you

[lusty orchid]

did you see his one about paste amount?

[open iris]

no lemme look it up

[lusty orchid]

https://youtu.be/EUWVVTY63hc

he trolled the trolls with it

[green echo]

always put paste under your cpu so you can cool it from both sides

[lusty orchid]

no

[spare sedge]

In that one video there was some really cheap cases that look insane

[teal pond]

No, cover your cases mesh with it to have maximum heat removal

And put it in your ram slots before you put the sticks in

[spare sedge]

Well ig I'm ready to talk psus

[lavish nexus]

EVGA/Corsair

Montech Titan seems to be a decent contender too tho

[spare sedge]

What is type
Modular
Efficiency rating
Wattage

[lavish nexus]

EVGA/Corsair

[lusty orchid]

you'll want modular for ease, preferably at a reasonable wattage

also, you decided on mobo then ? @spare sedge

[teal pond]

dream you’ll want to be looking at 1000+ wattage, 80+ gold or above, atx, and modular

[lavish nexus]

I just copped a older evga unit

EVGA SuperNOVA G2 1300w

Overclocking my 7900 xtx and 5800x seems super solid but it’s not a crazy power strain anyway so

[vast geyser]

i think you know what efficiency rating and wattage means

[lavish nexus]

She definitely does

[lusty orchid]

and as a reminder, efficiency rating does not denote that it's a good quality unit

@spare sedge

[brave brook]

(psu tier list)

[brave brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQoLFIuJBGQ

[haughty quail]

oh boy were gonn be here forever

[teal pond]

power supplies will be easy

not that hard to explain

[lusty orchid]

she'll be wanting it explained to the level of an EE

[lavish nexus]

Don’t explain it just point her to every Johnny guru forum from the past 10 years

And cybenetics

[lusty orchid]

his site is down

so it's more pointing it to the cultist site instead tbh

[lavish nexus]

Forumssss

As in Reddit forums

[lusty orchid]

psu cultist will have the same details

plus the tier list is referenceable

[lavish nexus]

To simple, she’ll want someone to explain every part individually

[vast geyser]

tell her to open up a psu and find out

[lusty orchid]

which is on the cultist site, and in the spreadsheet for the tier list

remember the spreadsheet for the tier list contains links to reviews of multiple psu's

[lavish nexus]

Won’t help too complicated she’ll just want it from us

[lusty orchid]

you think a reddit post is going to be any different?

[haughty quail]

It's better than the former

[brave brook]

better than what

[haughty quail]

The former... meaning the original option

[brave brook]

which is?

[haughty quail]

Did you not see what you responded to originally 😅

[spare sedge]

wdym as a reminder. we never went over that

[brave brook]

theres nothing that would hint at "another option"

[haughty quail]

I'll reiterate: I'd rather this is a troll than a genuine person

Make sense?

[brave brook]

oh

why

[haughty quail]

If it's a troll, there would at least be a little more hope in humanity

That people can understand the difference between satire

If it's a real person, then there's no hope

[lavish nexus]

Yes cause it has uneducated people asking questions

[lavish nexus]

It has been mentioned in chat more then once

[spare sedge]

yeah but its just the quality for me lmao

efficiency rating is what you sort by

so obviously go titanium or whatever

[open iris]

No

[haughty quail]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[open iris]

Efficiency is literally just how efficient it is

It could be titanium and still be a bomb

[spare sedge]

What is type
Modular
Efficiency rating
Wattage

[haughty quail]

It's literally in the name too, dayum

[spare sedge]

that makes no sense to me

[open iris]

Modular is whether you can remove/add/swap cables

Efficiency is how efficient it uses power

The wattage is how much power it can output

[haughty quail]

Efficiency rating and wattage are self-explanatory imo

But not knowing modular can be understandable

[spare sedge]

wdym

[haughty quail]

What?

[haughty quail]

For modular, you can determine how many cables to attach or unattach as needed

Not sure how in-depth you want to go but there are several types:

Non-modular: cables are already attached
Semi-modular: some cables are attached (semi- meaning some)
Fully modular (or just modular): no cables attached

@spare sedge Permission to DM? I think I have a word limit

[brave brook]

What are you confused about?

[haughty quail]

dream is a little dense

more dense than me somehow

[brave brook]

you could also add that the ones that are attached are the cpu and motherboard power (for semi-modular)

[brave brook]

ive decided to answer the questions as best I can, and not roast her for not understanding something

[haughty quail]

i mean yeah

but how can someone ask something like 4 times???

we should be pinning the important stuff ngl

[brave brook]

i think its only her that can do that

[haughty quail]

😐

then she should

but i think it would take too long to tell her

[brave brook]

how

[haughty quail]

wait imma test it

yeah we cant :/

that sucks

[haughty quail]

its a joke

cuz she takes a while to learn some stuff

[brave brook]

not a very nice joke

[haughty quail]

yeah ik

but still its like 40k messages in total from both threads

which is a lot

[brave brook]

wow really? never woulda thought that....

[haughty quail]

lol

still kinda absurd

[brave brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[haughty quail]

Tbh it's not really "learning", it's honestly spoonfeeding

[haughty quail]

ngl

your kinda right

[brave brook]

not the first time thats been said

[haughty quail]

Real

ACTUALLY?

[brave brook]

yes

[haughty quail]

I think anything ever said in here has been said multiple times 😭 sadly

prob

[brave brook]

either rauko or atomic sub i think

[haughty quail]

makes sense

[spare sedge]

alright, if you wanna redeem yourself

feel free to dm me if youd like. i dont mind how long the message is

[haughty quail]

I'm going to be blunt: I honestly don't care how you view me, I just want to elaborate on what the modular thing was

[haughty quail]

👍

[spare sedge]

^

i cant dance before i learn to walk

[haughty quail]

you got a point

DMs are not working @spare sedge

but you prob gonna forget 80% of this crap after u build

like me lmao

[brave brook]

because 80% of it literally doesnt matter

[haughty quail]

exactly

[brave brook]

maybe not that much

[haughty quail]

estimate obv

[spare sedge]

my retention with most things is really good. but my retention with things we took the time on, has been almost lossless imo

[brave brook]

but at least 50%-60%

did you watch the power supply video i sent?

[spare sedge]

some things people just think they explain it fully cause they already know it. when its like. only the obvious answer to pc builders

[haughty quail]

yeah ur right ngl

[spare sedge]

i just got home from work

[haughty quail]

but for psu go for at least 80+ gold, prob more for such a build

DMs aren't working 😭 I just refreshed Discord

[haughty quail]

oof

[brave brook]

more than gold for this kind of pc. probably titanium ngl for van life, to get as little power usage possible

[spare sedge]

only so far. but judging how i am with literally everything. i doubt i will have a significant decrease in retention. only cause im still kicking on like all my other binges like for nutrition and finance and everything. it just keeps going. i think im gonna do cars next

[haughty quail]

I love cars frfr

[brave brook]

do a friend req

[haughty quail]

oh you do this with everythingg?

yikes

[haughty quail]

I did, it probably still says I'm blocked lol

i think ive been a bit harsh here ngl

[brave brook]

not the first time thats been said either xD

[haughty quail]

Dream, do you have ADHD? Not in a rude way, it's a genuine question but getting medication could actually help you

With retention

[haughty quail]

i got adhd theres no retention, but there is different kinds

its kinda the opposite

[brave brook]

she said she was good with retention lol

[haughty quail]

Yeah, I was wondering if she was struggling with retention for that matter but some people with ADHD tend to hyperfixate

[haughty quail]

Not everyone with ADHD struggles with retention the same way

[haughty quail]

yeah it is true

[haughty quail]

exactly, theres 3 types

i forgot all i remember is im the balanced one

[brave brook]

oh, thats interesting

[haughty quail]

Some people are high-functioning, others are low-functioning. It is what it is

[brave brook]

can we get back on topic tho

[haughty quail]

yeah you gotta learn about urself

Yeah, she just needs to open DMs 😭

[haughty quail]

yeah

[spare sedge]

i dont think so.

[haughty quail]

i will say the meds do somewhat work

but its mainly willpower to do important stuff

[spare sedge]

ive taken adderall before tho

for other reasons

[haughty quail]

Yeah, people will build resistance over time to the meds

[spare sedge]

mostly just cause retail is stressful

[brave brook]

^

[spare sedge]

and i dont get much time

[haughty quail]

no not really resistance, they just get use to it

[haughty quail]

That's what I mean 😅

[spare sedge]

but ive actually been off alcohol, and caffeine for over 10 months or so

[haughty quail]

When you start out with a dose, your body is still impacted but when you continue taking it, your body is no longer affected the same way. That means you developed resistance and need a stronger dose

[spare sedge]

and dairy

[haughty quail]

ight we prob should get on topic now

[haughty quail]

not how it works but ok

..That's literally how it works

it helps you gain the willpower to do things

[haughty quail]

but anyways ^

Yes, by increasing retention 😭

[brave brook]

on. topic.

[spare sedge]

yeah i actually only took the adderall like 3 or 4 times. on different days

[haughty quail]

STOP

[brave brook]

cmon, we'll get there eventually

[haughty quail]

ugh

boring imma go waste money on csgo skins now

[haughty quail]

I still can't DM for some reason

[brave brook]

maybe she needs to dm you first

[haughty quail]

dream try to dm jim

Yeah, that might work

OH I THINK IT WORKED

[brave brook]

watch out on the caps lol

[haughty quail]

yep

warship annoying fr

[brave brook]

just doing its job

well, i gtg now, gn y'all

hope something changes while im gone :D

[haughty quail]

gn bro

[haughty quail]

My bad 😅

lol

[brave brook]

I just said that so warship doesn’t delete your message

[haughty quail]

fr

[green echo]

dang i missed the drug banter

[strange storm]

Story of everyone's life who has posted here or on the other thread.

Honestly, I can only imagine the questions about to be asked if she ever does build this pc.

[lusty orchid]

that's basing a buy on efficiency rating dude, never do that

[strange storm]

For the "most part", 80+ gold psu's will do most builds justice. But yes, some still suck, and some are God tier.

[lusty orchid]

and the fact that their are fake and explosive 'gold' efficiency rated psu's tells you that efficiency rating is not how you choose it

[lusty orchid]

nope not at all

[lusty orchid]

and the thing is, efficiency rating does not denote it being a quality unit

if anything you sort by the wattage you want, and whether it's modular/semi-modular or non modular, then you look up by model number, there are some brands that consistently produces good products for psu models, and some that don't, there are also OEM units which are up on the tier list that also get used as the basis for certain brands under their own specifications

i.e. seasonic, fsp, cwt,gw as the OEM

also i.e seasonic prime (oem model) unit which is used as the base for a phanteks revolt X (brand model)

there are also some brand models that have gone through different versions with different oems in mind

i.e. nzxt C psu, v1 has seasonic as the oem, while v2 has cwt as the oem, and that's just for the 'gold' efficiency version

so like i said, buying based on an efficiency rating is not a good choice to do

@spare sedge

[haughty quail]

ik but it is a rule of thumb

obv some brands are shit, but still 80+ gold or better

[lusty orchid]

not really

[haughty quail]

well ig you are right

[sour kite]

this thread is still alive?

[haughty quail]

tier c or better on psu cultists tier list wouldve been better to say

[haughty quail]

yep

[sour kite]

the new tech chat 1 lol

[haughty quail]

fr

[brave brook]

For van life, dream should probably get an 80+ titanium unit to use as little excess power as possible.

[haughty quail]

prob

yeah

[lusty orchid]

nope, a gold efficiency model would be fine tbh, it's still might cause issues in regards to inverter and power draw vs power gen

[brave brook]

All this shit about power management in a van makes me wonder if she should really do van life

[haughty quail]

fr

[vale prairie]

If I were dream I’d just get a gaming laptop or something, much more efficient

[haughty quail]

FR

so much more simple

[brave brook]

B-b-b-but it’s not the most performance 😔

[vale prairie]

🙃

[haughty quail]

too bad mafaka

[brave brook]

-_-

[haughty quail]

lose that performance for more efficiency

[vale prairie]

I wonder if you’d loose a significant amount of performance undervolting a 4090 to like 100 watts

[brave brook]

Or just undervolt the 4090 for almost the same effect

[lusty orchid]

if you drop it to around 60% of it's power draw then there's really no performance loss, but dropping it to 100w and i doubt it will work stably

[vale prairie]

So the mobile 4090 would beat a desktop 4090 at the same power draw

[vast geyser]

mmm not really

[vast geyser]

33% less power for -10% performance in a benchmark

so in real world performance, even less

[haughty quail]

Unfortunately it's been a suggestion and you can imagine how that went

[vale prairie]

Like this I’d assume? ^

[lusty orchid]

aye, basically 5fps difference

and it's not even much less of a drop if reduced by 60% either

[brave brook]

They increased the power that much for so little?

[haughty quail]

lol what did you expect?

nvidia to do something smart?

[brave brook]

I mean….

[lusty orchid]

10% performance gain for a gpu is like a 3% gain for a cpu

amounts to fuck all in the long run

[lusty orchid]

6650xt = 5% gain over a 6600xt, only worth it if the 6650xt is cheaper than the 6600xt

[vast geyser]

yea, it was from 120 to 100 something lol

and again, in a benchmark

in pubg it was like no difference for 100w less lol

[lusty orchid]

a little more than 5fps, but tbf at the same time it just shows that they could have actually made the 4090 much more efficient

[vast geyser]

legit the 4090s only downside is the price

[lusty orchid]

still fustrating about the transient spike it has

leave it bog standard without an undervolt and that 4090 does 600-650v as a transient spike, especially when OC'd after

tbf i can't wait to see what rx 8000 series will be like and that's without rumours and leaks when they get released

as current 7000 series shits on what what great about 6000 series

the power draw with 7000 series sucks, though that could be just due to the way they changed the gpu core's design

[spare sedge]

alr today im gonna watch videos while at work

[lusty orchid]

6000 series dies

7000 series dies

ga106

ga104

ga102

ad106

ad104

[haughty quail]

Check DMs

[lusty orchid]

ad102

[spare sedge]

thank you for all this

so i know modular more in depth and all the categories in here but

what is modular

is it just the cords then?

the psu cords

[lusty orchid]

yes

[haughty quail]

Np 🫡

[spare sedge]

why are they called modular and not just psu cords

[lusty orchid]

personally i wouldn't go for a psu that uses 18 gauge wire (namely seasonic on this one)

[lusty orchid]

because you can add and remove the cable

it comes in the terms of it being modular

[spare sedge]

so modular just means it has a custom cable

[lusty orchid]

nope, custom cables implies a different thing tbh

[spare sedge]

cause i see full modular.

semi modular.

no modular

[haughty quail]

Modular from a definitive meaning just means "basic design". In software, it just means a system that has different configurations.

It's like how a dishwasher can contain more than just dishes, but can have dishes in it. Consider the PSU cords as the dishes and modular the dishwasher. Hope that makes sense

[lusty orchid]

or like building blocks

[haughty quail]

^^

PSU cords are simply part of the modular, but not the main part

[spare sedge]

how can a psu have no cords

[lusty orchid]

how can a phone charger have no cable

it's the same principal

[haughty quail]

Fully modular just allows you to cable manage better and looks cleaner. It's better for airflow, is all

[lusty orchid]

and with modular you only connect what you need on it

making cable management so much easier

[haughty quail]

Just to elaborate: just because there aren't dishes in there, doesn't mean it's no longer a dishwasher lol so it's the same with fully modular vs semi/non

[spare sedge]

it cant tho

[open iris]

If it wasn't clear modular psus come with the cables you need

You're not buying a psu with no cables you just choose which ones to connect

[spare sedge]

i wanna be all like. yayy i get it. thanks. but i dont lmao

[lusty orchid]

it can, it can comes with cables, just they're fully removable from the psu

[haughty quail]

I mainly use analogies because if someone doesn't understand the main thing, making a comparison is the next best thing. But yeah, like Mage said, fully modular just means they already come with what you want therefore you don't need to do much. Semi-modular and non come with certain ones attached

[open iris]

Technically a computer only needs 2 psu cables to function

[lavish nexus]

Well if they’re very clearly explaining it to you. And you still don’t get it then you’re a lost cause

[open iris]

3 if no igpu

So the advantage of a modular one is not having the extra cables be attached

[lavish nexus]

No offense but you make yourself look very dumb sometimes. A 3rd grader would understand this the way they’re explaining it

[open iris]

and well no lp gpu

[haughty quail]

It's more like she asks questions like a third grader (constant "Why why why why") without really thinking deeply about it. We can give very basic definitions but the rest should be thought about a little more imo

[lavish nexus]

No ability to critically think I guess

[haughty quail]

I think it just has to come with acceptance that some things are just like that 🤣 they just exist

[lavish nexus]

There’s no way if she really learns like this…that she did well in school

[haughty quail]

this thread is actually a brain tumor

[haughty quail]

LMAO

[lusty orchid]

though with some brands, they do a custom cable as an optional extra to replace the default cables that coem with the psu

[haughty quail]

shush ive said this like 5 times now

[lavish nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/kindergarten-cop-tumor-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-5168776

[haughty quail]

Bro I'm just agreeing with you 😭

[haughty quail]

nuh uh

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[lusty orchid]

3 whether a gpu or not is in the build tbf

[lavish nexus]

I sincerely think she’s just trolling the men in this thread to continue to get attention at this point

[haughty quail]

mybe

[haughty quail]

I honestly hope it's just a troll but some people are unironically like that, plus it's carried over 3 threads so 😢

[lavish nexus]

Something like 2 months and the PC hasn’t started to being built?

[haughty quail]

2 months i think yeah

This is not the first thread

yeah

first thread was calmer tho

until shitposts

which is why theres 2 threads

cuz 1st one got shut down

[lavish nexus]

If it takes this much help she does not need to build a PC she needs to buy a highend prebuilt from somewhere like origin or build redux and call it a day

Cause I’d hate to see what the PC looks like after being built

[haughty quail]

fr ngl ^

i legit built my pc using a yt tutorial and thats it

besides part help on here

[lavish nexus]

I figured out the parts I wanted, bought and built my pc in like 2 weeks

[haughty quail]

dont know why she needs to know what a modular psu is or usbs and all that shit

[lavish nexus]

The thing that took the longest was waiting on parts

[haughty quail]

built mine in a week

[haughty quail]

same

She wants to learn but is prob just focusing on the incorrect things

[lavish nexus]

Then later on I upgraded my GPU to thr 7900 xtx

[haughty quail]

yeah ngl

like whats mroe important the actual parts or psu modularity?

Imo no need to worry about the specifics, the people who manufacted your parts are doing that for you 😅 all that's left for you is to build the PC after research

yep

all i needed help was with whether or not parts were good

idfc about usbs bro

and stuff like modular psu is one google away from knowing what it means

[lavish nexus]

Tbh my pc is cobbled together with a few used parts 😂

And it still looks amazing

[brave brook]

So did anything change since 15 hours ago?

[haughty quail]

same

my r5 1600 is not keeping up with my 6600 very well

[haughty quail]

no not really

😢

Yeah we just went down another rabbithole from types of PSUs to PSU cords

[brave brook]

That’s a rip

[brave brook]

What….

[haughty quail]

My exact thoughts

[haughty quail]

she is kinda dense

[lavish nexus]

I got an absolute steal on a used 5800x for 140

[brave brook]

loses 69 more brain cells

[haughty quail]

WHAT

DEAL GOD DAMN

[lusty orchid]

nope

[haughty quail]

i got a b450 and a r5 1600 for 110 dollars

[lavish nexus]

oh yea

[haughty quail]

not too good of a deal

[lavish nexus]

dude had no idea what he was selling ig lol

[haughty quail]

💀

im getting a 3600 soon

[lavish nexus]

then i got a $170 gigabyte aorus pro v2 for $100

[brave brook]

Weren’t there 2 different 1600s? Which one was it

[lusty orchid]

tbf, an r5 1600 not the greatest, an r5 3600 would be better

[haughty quail]

ok

[haughty quail]

ae

af is basically lower clocked 2600

[lusty orchid]

'af'

[haughty quail]

bro

[lavish nexus]

the 1600 and 2600 weren't that great

[haughty quail]

i was saying the one i had you dimwit

[lavish nexus]

but the 3600 and 5600 really blew it outta the water comparatively

[haughty quail]

fr tho

3600 and 5600 are fire

[lavish nexus]

no gpu really bottlenecks 5000 series cpus

[lusty orchid]

2000 series fixed the ram issues 1000 series had tbh

[lavish nexus]

not sure about 3000 series if theyu do its not by much

[lusty orchid]

4090 does

[lavish nexus]

by like 1% lol

[haughty quail]

thats it pretty much

[lavish nexus]

at 4k and 1440p theres really no bottleneck

[haughty quail]

and yeah the ram issues suck ass

[lusty orchid]

tbf a 4090 will bottleneck even a 13900k

[lavish nexus]

plus why use the 4090 at anything other then 4k

3600 and a 4090 isn't a problem at 4k

[lusty orchid]

which i why i said about it being an overkill 4k res system that they want to have

[spare sedge]

i like analogies usually. but im a little lost

[haughty quail]

Is there something I could explain better with mine? What is the part you're struggling to understand?

[haughty quail]

about modular psus?

[haughty quail]

I was explaining modular, sem-modular, and non-modular

with analogies yes?

Pretty much

wait lemme try to explain

I was telling her that dishwashers don't suddenly change properties if there aren't dishes in them. They don't suddenly not become dishwashers

She was trying to understand how a PSU could have 0 cables

[brave brook]

They just aren’t plugged in….

[haughty quail]

non modular psu have all the cords built in
semi modular have some built in and some you can take off
modular all can be taken off

They do have cables but the point is they don't have extra cables. Just the ones you need

[haughty quail]

Exactly

legit so damn simple

[haughty quail]

Yes, but she doesn't understand that. She is asking "how can a PSU not have cables"

😭

[brave brook]

They all “have cables” but they wouldn’t have to be plugged in

[haughty quail]

Exactly

bro how can someone be this dense

That's what I mean tho. Just because they're not plugged in doesn't make it not a PSU

seriously

Same thing with a dishwasher lol no dishes doesn't mean it becomes an oven or smth else

how?

[haughty quail]

fr

[brave brook]

There are technically infinite cables per power supply, if you custom make them

[haughty quail]

just cuz the cords arent there doesnt mean its not a psu

you can choose what cords to plug in

so you dont have a rats nest of cables with non modular

[brave brook]

It will always be a “power supply unit”

[haughty quail]

yes

[brave brook]

Whether it’s plugged into the wall, plugged into the components, or neither

[haughty quail]

thats like removing the case on a phone

its still a phone

[brave brook]

How in the fuck is she confused

[haughty quail]

like i said

very dense person

[haughty quail]

or like taking keys off a keyboard

still a keyboard

She just needs to view it as a noun (because it is) and not that something makes it that way. The inverse is the truth

[haughty quail]

or taking paper out of a full binder

still a binder

🤯 🤯 🤯

[brave brook]

The entire point of modular psus are that you can leave out any that you don’t need (e.g. molex, sata, extra pcie)

[haughty quail]

exactly

[brave brook]

Now let’s slow down on the messages until she can answer us directly

[haughty quail]

yep

[glacial schooner]

Still haven’t picked the parts?

[lavish nexus]

Well most semi modular only include cpu and 24 pin

[haughty quail]

yep

[haughty quail]

I think he meant fully modular

its been like 2 months

[brave brook]

Yeah

[lavish nexus]

Aye

[brave brook]

Well both, but most pcs will use at least 1 pcie

[lavish nexus]

I don’t even know of any that have cables wired in anymore

At least all the cables

All I’ve seen are semi and fully

[brave brook]

Because they’re way better

[lavish nexus]

Yea

One good thing is it lets you use full custome cables

But I prefer cable extensions anyway. They always seem to be cheaper

[brave brook]

The drawback to those is the extra slack that’s added

[lavish nexus]

Eh high quality extensions don’t really have an issue

Cable mods, and asia horse are pretty solid

[brave brook]

Everyone doing custom cables are doing them exactly to length, which probably justifies the cost

[lavish nexus]

Yea

But dam they look noice 😮‍💨

🤌🏻😮‍💨

[brave brook]

Yeah. That 24 pin looks kinda weird

[lavish nexus]

Why?

[brave brook]

Idk, the way it angles down

But that’s just what I think

[open iris]

dont like the fact the gpu ones are spread out kinda

[lavish nexus]

Ahh yea it’s just cause they’re isn’t really any room on the back side of my case to fix it any other way

[lavish nexus]

I fixed em that’s a older pic

[brave brook]

Thats what I was talking about with extensions

[lavish nexus]

It would’ve been the same thing if I had cables lol

[brave brook]

Really?

[lavish nexus]

Directly behind the 24 ping is a ssd and fan hub

[brave brook]

Ohhh ok

Makes sense

[lavish nexus]

So no room to route it directly backwards

[vast geyser]

people need combs

for their 8 pin

[lavish nexus]

Idk it came with extra so I put it on

Added 1 more shortly after

[spare sedge]

yours was great and very informative and ik modular means basic but ig idk what

no modular
semi modular
full modular

means or how it ties into anything

[brave brook]

1. Fully modular means every cable can be removed or plugged in.
2. Semi modular means most of the cables can be removed or plugged in (excluding the motherboard and cpu power)
3. Non modular means all cables are wired directly into the psu

And modular does not mean basic

Where tf did you get that information

[spare sedge]

oh so no modular doesnt mean no cables.

it just means you cant change the cables out and customize them?

cant**

[haughty quail]

I sent an explanation in DMs on it

[spare sedge]

yours makes more sense now.

[brave brook]

Yes

[haughty quail]

Pretty much

[spare sedge]

okay i get what you guys were saying about mobile phone cables now

so then is there any point to fully modular besides being able to pick out your own cables

is modular only aesthetic basically

and whats the point of semi modular if it is still gonna have the "ugly" cables

[haughty quail]

@spare sedge

[open iris]

its not really about how the cables look

[haughty quail]

It's not so much the aesthetic but the ability to attach/detach as needed

[open iris]

its more cable management

[haughty quail]

fr ^

[spare sedge]

but dont you need everything? how can you just leave your motherboard or cpu unplugged? i thought the psu only plugs into the motherboard and thats it

[open iris]

no

plugs into gpu, mb 24pin, cpu on mb, sata ssds, hdds#

molex fans need to connect to psu

some fam hubs probably

[lusty orchid]

psu plugs into the mobo, gpu and sata powered drives

also the molex and sata can be used to power a pump for an aio/custom loop

[spare sedge]

so the psu has multiple cords that plug into all these different places?

[open iris]

yes

[lusty orchid]

yup

[lusty orchid]

preipheral = molex

nope

[spare sedge]

whoops

[open iris]

lmao

[spare sedge]

these are all connected to the psu??

[lusty orchid]

yup

[spare sedge]

thats insane

[brave brook]

Not as much floppy, but yeah

[spare sedge]

is it always just these 6

[lusty orchid]

the floppy sometimes comes as a molex to floppy adapter

[open iris]

again though you only really need cpu, mb and pcie which is why modular ones exist

[spare sedge]

OHH

why

[lusty orchid]

and sata sometimes, depending on storage/pumps

[haughty quail]

you can plug in the stuff you need

[lusty orchid]

because 90% your ssd is a nvme drive so you're powering your mobo and gpu

[haughty quail]

less clutter

[lusty orchid]

though any cables not used should be stored away safely

i use my mobo box to do that for most of my cables that's not used

[open iris]

imagine having a modular

[lusty orchid]

imagine not having modular

[haughty quail]

hey 😠

dont be mean to my gx2 😠

[lusty orchid]

i experienced it before your gx2 was even concieved

[vast geyser]

my b12 disagrees

i keep forgetting to mount it the other way

[haughty quail]

idc

gx2 🥰

[brave brook]

Wth

[vast geyser]

seasonic b12 😻

[open iris]

any p850gm users

[lusty orchid]

corsair rm650 ftw

[brave brook]

What is this convo 😂

[lusty orchid]

with which version?

[spare sedge]

so in this example. you might not need the sata cable if you dont want to power the sata bus. because you might not have any sata ssds even if your mb supports 4x sata ssds.

does this mean that if you leave the sata cable unplugged and you had 1 sata ssd plugged in, it wouldnt work? or get power?

[lusty orchid]

explosive, doa or shadow-fixed

[vast geyser]

they still sell the explosive?

also, isnt UDGM theoretically the fixed PGM

[open iris]

explosive of course is fun

[lusty orchid]

correct

[lusty orchid]

yep

[vast geyser]

and theres a separate fixed PGM?

[spare sedge]

is it bad if it doesnt get power or does it just disable that component of the pc?

[lusty orchid]

yeah, creating it to be a 1 in 3 chance instead of a 1 in 2 chance for it to explode

[brave brook]

It just won’t turn on/be recognized

[lusty orchid]

well a storage drive with no power = not recognised as being there

[spare sedge]

can any component run without power?

[lusty orchid]

no

[haughty quail]

yes

obv

[haughty quail]

no

[lusty orchid]

no power = deader than a dodo

[haughty quail]

🤦‍♀️

obv if something doesnt hve power it wont work

[vast geyser]

perpetual machines

[lusty orchid]

those exist in theory, not in reality

[vast geyser]

i dont think they exist at all

cause they make no sense

[lusty orchid]

in theory, aka on paper

[open iris]

in a perfect vacuum it could exist

[brave brook]

Conservation of energy effectively disables it

And energy is neither created or destroyed, only changed

So you cannot create energy

[lusty orchid]

nope, 3rd law of thermodynamics prevents it from existing

[vast geyser]

so then not even in theory

[open iris]

well i got a D in physics for a reason

[brave brook]

LOL

[lusty orchid]

anything in motion creates heat as a by product

in theory a perpetual engine/machine does not create heat from it's motion

as it's suppose to run 100% efficiently

so yes only in theory it exists, in practicality it doesn't

[haughty quail]

science lesson

[haughty quail]

from friction

[lusty orchid]

the common joke about a perpetual machine is the use of a cat and a buttered piece of toast being stuck together

as toast always lands butter side down, and cats always lands on their feet

[haughty quail]

Schrodinger's Toast I guess

[haughty quail]

lol

[lusty orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/toast-cat-antigravity-spin-gif-16349419

[vast geyser]

thats like

nvm thats not like that

was about to say the cover yourself in oil

[haughty quail]

flying cat toast hybrid

[lusty orchid]

that only works if you want to go down a slide faster

if it's the older metal slides, "a crispier side of bacon" = you

[lusty orchid]

yup, and there will always be friction which makes a perpetual engine impossible

[haughty quail]

yep

[lusty orchid]

that and you also need to spend energy to start it

[haughty quail]

what if its in a vaccuum

[haughty quail]

yes

[lusty orchid]

still same issues, just without air

[spare sedge]

fanless coolers tho

[haughty quail]

they dont reuire power to run

[lusty orchid]

that's just a large heatsink

[haughty quail]

no air friction

[haughty quail]

theres nothing to power

[lusty orchid]

still friction as it spins

[haughty quail]

oh damn your right

[lusty orchid]

i usually am, sadly

[haughty quail]

hey 😠

[lusty orchid]

when you're right about alot of things, you wait more for the times you're not

[haughty quail]

ok

[lusty orchid]

those times makes you want to learn more and read up on things

[spare sedge]

so with a non modular psu. couldnt you just still not plug everything in?

[open iris]

yes

[spare sedge]

so whats the point then

[open iris]

because then you have to deal with the extra cables

[spare sedge]

of semi or full if you dont have to plug anything like the nonmodulat

[lusty orchid]

the amount of cables you'd have to manage and hide away

[open iris]

makes cable management harder

[spare sedge]

oh so just less clutter

[open iris]

yes

[spare sedge]

isnt that just aesthetic tho