folding-and-boinc

[hushed bobcat]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/1972-award-ceremony/

[proper fractal]

oh shoot, I forgot to post that. Thanks 😁

[hushed bobcat]

Np

[proper fractal]

I think I will continue to fold. I fell off a while ago cuz I would turn it off while gaming (my computer is never idle, so it folds all the time) and I would forget to turn it on again, but given I've played gta without noticing I was still folding, it'll be on for the next little while. I might switch to boinc, especially as world community grid started gpus semi-recently

[rich depot]

What's the difference between boinc and F@H anyway?

[stark bough]

Anyone running a reference 3080 for folding?

[proper fractal]

boinc has a wider range of projects. like you could contribute to researching prime numbers, or astronomical things, or anything of the sort, including projects similar to fah. they're similar in that they are both distributed computing services, and have some common projects

[hushed bobcat]

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/nvidia/folding_profile/ga102_geforce_rtx_3080_10gb_20gb

This is going to be a mix of reference and board partner cards

But should give you an idea of the folding performance

[stark bough]

Not really interested in the perf, but the cooling solution for 24/7 operation. Sound, odd quirks

The weird passthrough solution vs the more traditional layout of the TUF

[humble rover]

BOINC also lets you tailor your system resources and has built in scheduling (though this can be done with FAH as well); mostly leverages CPU/ram but some gpu projects have come online. Doesn't only target pharmaceuticals but also climate change and such.

[rich depot]

Hmmm, alr thnx

[rich depot]

Do people still fold? Has it amounted to anything?

[humble rover]

@rich depot Major discoveries in 2020

https://foldingathome.org/2021/01/05/2020-in-review-and-happy-new-year-2021/

[rich depot]

Thanks. I’ll read though this.

[humble rover]

Theres less devices folding now than at the start of the pandemic yes, but still several petaflops of power out there

[stark bough]

Also some people might have jumped to crypto with their cards

[humble rover]

Why you gotta call me out like that

[proper fractal]

lol

[keen field]

Oh yeah. In fact, I'd say that even more people started doing so.

I started BOINC and Folding@Home in early January 2021

Sorry for the ping lol.

[rich depot]

no worries it's a cool project

[stark bough]

You can see where I started Folding full force for covid in April

[graceful patio]

Are quad CPUs good for folding

[hushed bobcat]

do you mean quad core or quad socket?

[graceful patio]

quad socket

[hushed bobcat]

i have a dual socket system and find folding has a hard time with multi nodes

data seems to bounce around between the CPU's

however this is on Windows, i know Linux is usually better for this kind of thing

IMO for a quad socket system i would run proxmox and force each CPU to its own VM, then fold in the VM's

[graceful patio]

yes I just don't know os is that support quad socket that are not windos 10

are they all running a hypervisor number one

[hushed bobcat]

im pretty sure any popular linux distro will work

but again i only have a dual socket system

actually i dont think win 10 will support quad socket

im pretty sure you need windows server

[austere ruin]

What's the best hardware recommended for folding?...is boinc better or folding@home?

[humble rover]

Any hardware is acceptable, though you will see efficiency gains with newer hardware for obvious reasons. The answer to the latter question lies in what your priorities are wrt contributing with CPUs/GPUs, or if there is a specific project you're invested in.

[austere ruin]

Ok

[placid goblet]

woot, my Pentium III is running BOINC On the LTT team!

[rich depot]

🥳

[placid goblet]

And 11 hours later I'm 2.36% done.

The "time to done" is going up at 1 second per second.

[sonic violet]

what is folding

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about/

[sonic violet]

oh thanks

[ashen root]

So can you pull your battery out of camera @brittle heath

[brittle heath]

yea

[ashen root]

Could you send a picture of the battery??

[brittle heath]

yea, just give me a second

@ashen root

[ashen root]

Hmm okay

One sec googleing

[brittle heath]

I think this is the camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShuAmLYv8p8&ab_channel=B%26HPhotoVideo

[humble rover]

@brittle heath @ashen root Just so you're aware, this channel is for distributed computing projects not photography tech support

[brittle heath]

He told me to talk here in tech support

Just talk in dms @ashen root

[ashen root]

I'm aware but I figured that it was empty here and very busy in tech support

So I went here

[hushed bobcat]

Keep in mind that WU's have a time limit, and if you take longer than the limit your results are thrown out

[placid goblet]

I'm not running F@H. I'm running PrimeGrid via BOINC.

[hushed bobcat]

Ahh

[placid goblet]

I'm fairly certain F@H doesn't even support P3's.

Too old - they have x86, MMX, and SSE.
That's it.

[humble rover]

Some of the records on our team lol

https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=953039

[neat bear]

it is folding and BOINK it break

[wild shoal]

wtf even is folding or boinc

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about/

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[neat bear]

Thank

[torpid inlet]

what stuff has folding contributed to covid-19 research and dev

[placid goblet]

I have no idea.

Also, woot! 22 million!

[humble rover]

Fundamental understanding of the spike protein and targeting opportunities of interest where vaccines or other proteins can be most effective

https://foldingathome.org/2020/04/03/capturing-the-covid-19-demogorgon-aka-spike-in-action/

Lots of interesting reading here: https://foldingathome.org/papers-results/

Latest 226 (SARS-CoV2 activation mechanisms)

In this work, we first show how Nsp10 binding to Nsp16 activates Nsp16, and then, by comparing motions of Nsp16 and its human homolog (CMTr1) we identify a way to disable Nsp16 without disabling the human protein.

[humble rover]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=693

Apparently I missed this LOL

[hollow seal]

so i couldn't use ARM?

[rich depot]

If you used emulation, It might happen?

[placid goblet]

I'm not sure.
I don't think my Katmai P3 will work with F@H, though it does with 3 BOINC projects.

[hollow seal]

Lol i was asking to see if i could use my Apple M1 to help

[humble rover]

AFAIK it's via rosetta for now but the native arm support is still very early stages

[fickle needle]

folding through Rosetta is going to be slow, but even if they released the F@H client for Apple Silicon you need to temper your performance expectations, the M1s are really focused on power efficiency above all

[rich depot]

But it should be better than i7 6700 right?

'cause that CPU still nets me about 10 WUs

per day

[humble rover]

Can't speculate on the architecture without seeing the numbers. In any case, low power cores might see better use on boinc where projects of less depth are readily available.

[toxic wing]

im trying to make the rtx 3070 in my pc start folding but it just says paused and if i click it and hit fold it wont fold

[humble rover]

Do you have it on full power?

[toxic wing]

oh nope should it be?

[humble rover]

Yes if you want GPUs enabled

[toxic wing]

👍

how would you say these numbers are for my parts?

just updated to this

[humble rover]

Let it run for a few minutes to get a proper baseline, you can always check the LAR database to see how you fair against the average.

[toxic wing]

ok im gonna get a shower ill be back and we can see then

[toxic wing]

it is at this now

[humble rover]

Looks pretty nominal

[toxic wing]

so i finished the task on the graphics card but it didnt update my points uet, when do i get my points?

[humble rover]

Whenever the server processes it and when it updates in the next 3h time bloc

[toxic wing]

ok thanks for answering my questions

[fickle needle]

Lol, maybe? But you're comparing a 1k laptop vs a years old machine I could probably get for 200$

disclaimer* an I7 6700 folding machine wouldn't need a GPU or an SSD, and only enough of a PSU and RAM for it to boot up, which helps the price

[toxic wing]

is there an individual leaderboard of points people have gotten?

[humble rover]

http://stats.foldingathome.org/donor/ or https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/

[toxic wing]

thx 🙂

How come my 3070 can burn through tasks super quick and makes a ton of points, but the 10700k takes hours and gets fractions of the points as the 3070?

[humble rover]

They are working with different architectures of WUs, hence the different points structure

[toxic wing]

Oh i see

[humble rover]

Also this https://foldingathome.org/faqs/points/bonus-points/

[toxic wing]

Ok, so since the graphics card does more jobs and does the jobs quicker then it gets more points

[toxic wing]

what is the highest point value job you had ever gotten @humble rover ?

[humble rover]

400k on a 6h gpu unit or something

[toxic wing]

wow

i just got 187K on a 90minute gpu unit

if i set it to only work when the pc is idle, what counts as idle?

[humble rover]

Not sure what specific CPU load, but generally whatever causes the screensaver to come on

[toxic wing]

oh ok, thanks for all the help

[placid goblet]

23 million!
Kepler-only Folder 🙂

[fading coral]

What determines how many points a work unit is worth?

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/faqs/statistics-teams-usernames/how-do-you-decide-how-much-credit-a-work-unit-is-worth-how-do-you-determine-how-many-points-a-work-unit-is-worth/

[fading coral]

thanks

[rich depot]

this channel is ded

[placid goblet]

'Cause there's not a whole lot to talk about.

[humble rover]

What are you contributing with this comment?

[vagrant summit]

they're contributing a message

which therefore is making the channel less dead

[humble rover]

Wow so insightful

[rich depot]

I made the channel undead

[rich depot]

So you've learnt the secrets of Darth plagieus, now haven't you?

[fickle needle]

Spring is hitting here, it's so hot I had to turn off one of my folding rigs

[rich depot]

Meh, I live in a desert and summer temps are pretty high, so having a computer fold or something, really doesn't add much to the temps

[humble rover]

It's spring? I hadn't noticed since this week I'm back into single digit lows and risk of flurries LUL

Anyways even though I posted the news (late) i'm finally getting around to chucking a gpu onto OPN after briefly dabbling in mining

[placid goblet]

Passed 24 mil!
Close to earning the Bronze badge 🙂

[rich depot]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifinakis-hangover-hangover-alan-alan-hairflip-gif-13142173

[humble rover]

Its snowing outside, time to turn the folding rigs back on

[fickle needle]

lucky fart with snow

is too damn hot out here

[lucid obsidian]

folding and boinc

[mighty widget]

whats boinc

[rich depot]

FINALLY broke a million folding just on a CPU (using just 4 threads) from 3 days before this year's 1st Folding event starting at 100,000

[humble rover]

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[placid goblet]

Nice!
I'm 540968 points away from 25 million, GTX 650 Ti BOOST 2GB Folding only.

[hollow seal]

if i were to start folding on a Core 2 Duo E6300 and a ATI Radeon 5450, with 1GB RAM, what can i expect? I plan on running windows 7.

[humble rover]

Not great points wise

https://folding.lar.systems/gpu_ppd/brands/amd/folding_profile/redwood_radeon_hd_5600_series

[green sleet]

what is folding, and what is boinc lol

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about/

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[green sleet]

ty

ohhh

[hollow seal]

i see.

[placid goblet]

So close...

Tomorrow it is.

[humble rover]

woooo more GPU work after a few days drought

[placid goblet]

Almost there!

[placid goblet]

69
nice

[north delta]

What is this

[placid goblet]

Folding @ Home
I have the F@H in the dark plugin installed.

[rich depot]

Mind donating a GPU to fold under my name /s

[placid goblet]

How much you willing to pay?
I have 2 GPUs. The ones shown in the screenshot.
~80000 PPD.

[rich depot]

btw /s=sarcastic

[placid goblet]

Yes I know.

[rich depot]

Okay, just making sure

[weak kelp]

I used to run folding at home on my pc, but then I had to rma my gpu (unrelated issue) and lately, I havent been using my pc as much and left it on doing nothing, so I have decided that I am going to run folding at home again.

[placid goblet]

Welcome to the Fold!

Ah, this is a very useful comment. Not.

[tranquil sable]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/184763463728?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACUBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%252Fn%252BzU5L90Z278x5ickkbhMs1po4WbP07exDt0IQHxdmR5WNWH9AMagI4z2gPQu3zeRkcHA%252F4xTrmbOET%252FlYE57Eft7cWDBGZiZTdtvRfga2eD2cb1n8ncswUGaLQQzX5S%252FtBH8EVeMb0QhXFZfJ%252FTyEzovg4%252FuN6eX5Cr3tW5Z9027AvR4PyU4KnAvGwHMYERfm0MUTIEM8I7mlKT5VSvAoxU%252FcAe1%252FJqSJsRg7nEqBHSymrKQbYWPzrooDbbDmvPQjA8P27%252FppoPdwIubGsWw2dQwAEWbXiX09NVDaMDa90UIH%252BcQ99khhEM4oI1TYDSeSxJU7e5540mw%252BVjRFrvWukr6X2OiqM3Vgou2NULVecIbNKXTsntoXwxc4ozkXwGDpQ1lJ%252FBWJASbyp4JdB5UleF61Il4GwF3gm9qoPoV4WHEfBWuPFe8BJ6JntiBvGK3lCszrws34bPARmpBreb2yTTvlnsXDPU0InyX4VHr2IG7ZuKnxlA2cvIOHSU%252FvKfBkDm%252FTJRI2%252FdVOPbmVYLOOADVBhyuL6MNVU%252Fosc4xdcare1micnpX4Y1fE83et89sOlFLa%252FM66LmjuG%252FNWx9FKvQ4Ah3cV6TggPjYCcdPirnk6OJjnhFD6wKJ1VCBANzvNX4YGagDgzbTv20QSNQ61rDqkOiA6zKMNZs%252FK9Otyd1XpyODWMiznvSGF8%252FkHPJnBRmR447uSUml%252FYLbk0LzcVtHAV%252BrTlqH8kv3%252F6JG6vLs4xhyWow80YPCBonE%253D|cksum%3A18476346372856d3e82c0f5e4c63a5069c0879e274fd|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A3268220&chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=184763463728&targetid=1192081307464&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9004205&poi=&campaignid=12519035887&mkgroupid=117007084057&rlsatarget=pla-1192081307464&abcId=9300518&merchantid=114753007&gclid=CjwKCAjwg4-EBhBwEiwAzYAlsob5oYJw-FA_IDY7AerliO6mDk2drrKCx3Jd_eY-exLIZ4hAySFJhRoCuMAQAvD_BwE

this is a steal rn

why is the url so long

[humble rover]

Thats just an ebay thing

[tranquil sable]

https://stockx.com/nvidia-zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-3060-amp-zt-a30600f-10p-white?country=US&currencyCode=USD&gclid=CjwKCAjwg4-EBhBwEiwAzYAlsrBpboThmWG1lB0CBXyFxgvBONJ8eJVZezURGcqa-pOPFYsmzvcr0hoCyxwQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds this looks so damn beautiful

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133740267383?epid=27030517196&hash=item1f238a8777:g:dk8AAOSw2JBghKKn&autorefresh=true is a steal

[weak kelp]

How do I make it so Folding at Home doesn't open on startup?

[humble rover]

Disable it from your windows startup or set the pause-on-start flag to true in advanced expert options under FAH

[weak kelp]

It doesnt show up in task manager

and I cant find it in the advanced settings

[humble rover]

You have to add the flag

[weak kelp]

is that on the expert area?

[humble rover]

Yes

[weak kelp]

what do I type after I hit add?

[weak kelp]

thanks

[placid goblet]

Alright, got 25M F@H points and 77533 BOINC credits!

[humble rover]

Get dat badge boyo

[placid goblet]

BOINC:
https://www.boincstats.com/stats/-1/user/detail/822823c099679bd766715230a09b2395

F@H:
https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=1204339

[placid goblet]

Submitted earlier today.
There's a request from yesterday too, so I imagine TVWazHere is doing something elsewhere.

[humble rover]

He is usually busy yeag

[humble rover]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,43386?messageId=1116606.1102.1619457545267&utm_source=gpuStressTest&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gpuStressTest&utm_content=body-forum-link

[humble rover]

lol these always clear overnight this is the first time ive seen one live

[rich depot]

WHoo! My Team [e-mail] is still at place 48

folded just lill bit 4 ever ago.

[rich depot]

I know I am the Folding team leader, and I should be encouraging you all to get on board folding that isn't what I'm doing today.

LTT will be taking part in the BOINC Pentathlon once again this year where our community goes up against others on a variety of projects on the BOINC platform. It would mean the world to be if our regular folders are willing to sign up and get involved to really show the BOINC community what LTT is made off.

Also I would like to see my fellow folders write a status about this, feel free to quote mine or create your own!

Happy Boincing,

Spec.

[humble rover]

Hope they keep the tap open for gpu projects by the time the pentathlon starts, the results are quite promising thus far

[rich depot]

When's the pentatlon?

[humble rover]

Early May

[rich depot]

Oh kay

thnx

[tardy dirge]

boink

[proper fractal]

maybe this will be my return to the forums, after being absent for a while

[proven marlin]

Official start date is 5th May. The main project is typically announced a few days out to let folks do some crunching ahead of time to do bunker dropping fun.

[rich depot]

Heres the event thread for the pent guys https://linustechtips.com/topic/1331844-boinc-pentathlon-2021

[rich depot]

So newbie question but would this be my BOIN credits?

[humble rover]

@rich depot the team primarily uses boincstats for points tracking (regardless of if the project has its own points system)

https://www.boincstats.com/stats/-1/team/detail/b85bbff1c6df413a4b44cfb82854273f

[rich depot]

Thanks

[haughty lichen]

where can I get asus motherboard heatsink plate, DM me if you now 🙂

[humble rover]

eBay; you'll struggle without providing the mobo SKU, unless you're talking about the cpu backplate.

[haughty lichen]

okay, thanks!

[haughty lichen]

Where can I get this kind of thing?

[humble rover]

These are usually motherboard specific, so without knowing your motherboard it will be a goose chase. Also you might want to try #tech-support in the future.

[haughty lichen]

my motherboard is asus maximus ix hero

[humble rover]

Did your motherboard not come with one?

[haughty lichen]

no

[humble rover]

They are usually optional cooling accessories and if you really need one there are plenty of aftermarket options if your drive doesnt have one included.

[haughty lichen]

Where can I get one of this then?

[humble rover]

Literally search the internet, short of a LMGTFY

[haughty lichen]

I have tried to search over the half internet but I cant find it...

[humble rover]

Unless you are looking for the specific one you linked, which is from the forum and specific to the Z390-F...

You couldn't find this? https://www.google.ca/search?q=m.2+heatsink&ei=6jGMYJ6BBon0tAap9JTYCg&oq=m.2+heatsink&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQgAEJECMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeOgcIABBHELADUMcaWMcaYKIcaAJwAngAgAFsiAGuAZIBAzEuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQjAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwienomls6bwAhUJOs0KHSk6BasQ4dUDCA4&uact=5

[haughty lichen]

yes, I have seen this before, but I cant find out where I can buy this exactly piece.

I try to find the m.2 heatsink from the asus ROG maximus X hero

[silver wing]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1333451-boinc-pentathlon-2021-quick-start-marathon/

Guide for anyone that want's to help out, event starts in about 2 days 😀

[glad flint]

Guys I need a laptop where I can fold the screen

Is that possible?

[rich depot]

Fold the screen

That's new on me

[hushed bobcat]

you mean a 2 in 1?

also this channel is about Folding @ Home and BOINC, not folding screens

[rich depot]

That's not very boinc of you

Spread virus, but script just does som good guy folding?

[rich depot]

​
Right everyone, another shout out for some BOINC crunching!

LTT is participating in the BOINC Pentathlon against other communities and it would be awesome to have you guys get involved.

We are currently looking to get as many CPUs running the marathon task as possible. You can find all of the details needed on the thread below.

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1331844-boinc-pentathlon-2021/

[rich depot]

Seriously we need people

[wise otter]

my R5 3600 will be there

[teal tusk]

what is BOINC

[humble rover]

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[teal tusk]

h ok ty

[rich depot]

@wise otter Awesome stuff

[wise otter]

pog

[humble rover]

Bunkering commenced !

[rich depot]

The Pent starts in around 40 mins guys, good luck and have fun

[humble rover]

Shoot I thought it was tomorrow lol

[rich depot]

RIP

[proven marlin]

good ol UTC catching folks off guard

[rich depot]

@rich depot Have I joined it?

I believe so, best to check on your profile to be sure

will look like this if you are signed up correctly

[rich depot]

yes works , when will I start getting credit ? when the first task is over rit

Basically yeah

[rich depot]

First day report has been posted, it seems we are being called out a little...

https://www.seti-germany.de/forum/content/1353-BOINC-Pentathlon-2021-Day-1-Off-of-the-starting-blocks

[fickle needle]

man, this BOINC not all doing GPU tasks is kinda cringe bra

all my rigs are GPU optimised XD

[rich depot]

They only recently added GPU support

on most projects, it's still in beta

[rich depot]

@fickle needle what project are you running?

[fickle needle]

SiDock@Home

[rich depot]

I didn't think Sidock has any GPU work units honestly

If you wanna do GPU crunching do Primegrid and bunker the WUs for when that event starts

@fickle needle ^

[fickle needle]

ahhh, that makes sense

[rich depot]

to bunker WUs follow this guide https://linustechtips.com/topic/1188373-idiots-guide-to-bunkering-on-boinc/

[rancid crag]

Been folding for about a year now. Now If only I knew how to use my computers for selfish gain like mining dogecoin.

[rancid crag]

On another note, Im being an idiot and mining dogecoin

[fickle needle]

lol

the main thing for me is Folding will work on pretty much any hardware

you can still CPU fold

Crypto sneers at you if you're using anyting other than a 3080 or a dedicated miner XD

[cinder cairn]

bitmain released its ethereum asics, so difficulty will climb up soon which will deter the hoarders soon

[rich depot]

And then, they might start mining RVN tho

[fickle needle]

Exactly my point, besides, if Etherium goes that way the scalpers and leaches will switch to Dahmercoin, or onlycanbexchangedfordrugs coin or whatever the next one that comes along

People made the same argument when Bitcoin was trading at a bamillion dollars but I still couldn't buy a card for a decent price

[cinder cairn]

it has gotten to the point where i crave for the times when i could build a whole computer with the fanciest liquid cooler and stuff, and now for the same money i might just be able to get the cpu/ram/mobo/psu

[rich depot]

Tho tbf, not all of it is Miner's fault

Sure they exacerbated the issue, that isn't up for debate

[fervent otter]

"consider joining a team"

😂

[rancid crag]

why should I

[wise forge]

how do i change the project that i contribute to with folding?

i put it to covid but that only does it on my cpu, which is what i dont want it to do

[humble rover]

@wise forge Cause contributions are only a preference not a guarantee, you will receive WUs based on what servers have available at the time (this is a moving target based on what research is being done)

[wise forge]

ahh alright

[rich depot]

I mean, if you are on the LTT forums, you could've gotten a badge. (And the tier 2 one at that)

[rancid crag]

Whats that worth though. Probably not much

[rich depot]

You help to support LTTs push to become one of, if not the highest team. It really depends how much you like the LTT community. All you have to do is enter the team number 223518, it's easy @rancid crag

P.S. I'm slightly biased as I'm the folding team leader

[rancid crag]

yeah im not really too attached to the LTT community in general

from my experience, any time Ive tried to interact with anyone here

its been pretty hostile

[rich depot]

Well, hopefully that changes soo

n

[rancid crag]

well I mean

every single interaction Ive had on either the forum or here when I wanted to ask for advice or something

has been immediately followed with "Are you a tard or something?"

and I eventually just stopped interacting here

[rich depot]

I'm sorry to hear that, although I know what you mean. I do enjoy the folding/BOINC community though as for the most part we're a pretty close knit community who's always pretty supportive

[rancid crag]

I used to fold for LTT, but I started folding independently when I started having issues

[rich depot]

That makes sense, well even if you don't fold for LTT. if you ever need any help or support please do feel free to reach out to us on the folding community board.

[rancid crag]

Besides, If I switch back to LTT. I would lose all my progress.

[rich depot]

Not really, you can still see your total points separately from your team points

[rich depot]

The report for day three of thte BOINC Pent

https://www.seti-germany.de/forum/content/1358-BOINC-Pentathlon-2021-Day-3-Its-so-calm-around-here

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1331844-boinc-pentathlon-2021 Guys wanna help out without running boinc, RT this tweet and teg the LMG peeps to get us noticed!
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1331844-boinc-pentathlon-2021/?do=findComment&comment=14714755

[rich depot]

I just realised I didnt post todays report

https://www.seti-germany.de/forum/content/1360-BOINC-Pentathlon-2021-Day-5-The-big-headscratching

[fickle needle]

looks like there's a task open for Primegrid

is there a specific team number or whatever we're supposed to use so people know what team we're on?

[stark bough]

Honestly, I probably should have been mining doge years ago

[fickle needle]

chill dog, #crypto-currency is thatta way

[rich depot]

It should be on the first page of the Forum thread if there is

[stark bough]

Team number is in the description of this channel. Visible when you tab the bar on mobile

@fickle needle

[fickle needle]

is that for folding and BOINC? mighty coincidence there

[rich depot]

I think BOINC has a different one, not sure tho

[rich depot]

You add yourself to the team LinusTechTips_Team through the project website. @fickle needle

Sorry I've not been on here for the last couple days

PrimeGrid event ends in around 12 hours, after that swapping to Einstein@rapid fractal for GPU crunching would be helpful

[rich depot]

Day 8 report of the Boinc Pent

https://www.seti-germany.de/forum/content/1365-BOINC-Pentathlon-2021-Day-8-Halftime

[solemn plume]

i am on the curecoin team

[rich depot]

Traitor /s

[solemn plume]

i was on curecoin before i even heard of LTT

I did SETI before FAH was a thing

[humble rover]

Open bunkers in a mo 👀

[fickle needle]

SETI was the shizz

[humble rover]

Think you missed a channel there bud

[vague sand]

fuc

[humble rover]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=702

[meager geode]

Can I fold using storage?

[humble rover]

Unlike mining, no

[high coral]

I dont understand what this is

is it using your extra resources to help out scientists?

[keen field]

In simple terms, yes.

It's late so I can't explain it well. I'll leave it to the others. Cya later

[high coral]

aight, cya

thanks

[rich depot]

@high coral, If you need anymore assistance, the LTT forums are your best bet

The Folding and BOINC teams are pretty active there

[high coral]

Oh, alright, thanks!

[hasty sedge]

boink

[humble rover]

bjonk

[fickle needle]

Fjolding abd Boink?

[rich depot]

"ima fold you up. BOINK!" -def scout tf2

[humble rover]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=705

The scientists for OpenPandemics - COVID-19 provided us with approximately 30,000 batches of GPU work (equal to the amount of work done in about 10 months by CPUs), and we let these batches run until they were fully processed.

The stress test took eight days to run, from April 26 through May 4, 2021. Thank you to everyone who participated in this important test. We expect to have a forum post from the tech team soon to summarize what they learned about World Community Grid's current capabilities and limitations.

[fickle needle]

booo, get that weak WCG nonsense outta here

[heady pasture]

how does folding work?

[humble rover]

Same as rendering a benchmark

[heady pasture]

do you need a beefy pc to do it?

[humble rover]

Anything from the last 10 years will be able to do it

[heady pasture]

oo oky

[mighty widget]

whats the folding at home ltt team number

nvm i found it

is this good for just half of my 4 core 8 thread cpu

(only 4 threads)

[rich depot]

pretty good

[rich depot]

@mighty widget Welcome to the teammm

[mighty widget]

right at the beginning of quarantine I was doing folding at home and then i stopped because my pc was bad

[rich depot]

Every little helps my friend

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about/

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[trim rain]

I run it as low priority process on the background

[mighty widget]

nice

[eager vault]

you need to decrease your rate by 226 ppd to get the ultimate 420169 rate

[exotic venture]

nice

[rich depot]

is there any way to assign my igpu to play games while my dgpu is folding?

i did assign the power saving thing to valorant in windows graphics settings , but its still running on the dgpu

[dire girder]

@rich depotdont think so

valorant will always default to your most powerful card

[rich depot]

Oh alrighty 🥲

[spare widget]

It is possible

[spare widget]

if you use nvidia control panel or even windows settings has options, as far as I know you can decide per app/game what GPU to use,

[rich depot]

The windows setings doesnt work with valorant for some reason but i could try the nvidia control panel way

[spare widget]

yea the panel is janky but i somehow got it figured

[rich depot]

how do i do that?

could you please guide me

do i just turn off all of these?

[mighty widget]

just plug your monitor into your motherboard

[mighty widget]

that was just a spike im doing 250000 now

[mighty widget]

nice

[sacred sonnet]

Almost One Million 😄

[cunning kettle]

Does anyone know if a m1 mac mini is good for folding at home? I was thinking of setting it up for folding at home and possibly nice hash and wasn't sure if its powerful or optimize enough to help;

I figured the low heat and power draw would make it easy to leave running since I mostly use it when doing media creation or production tasks;

[high willow]

id think its good enough, the question would really be how well would it play with x86 folding jobs

idk if fah has an ARM port yet

[hushed bobcat]

actually i think they ported it so it would work on raspberry pi's a little while ago

so it should work

plus i think the M1's have a program where they can emulate x86 instructions

[humble rover]

The M1s have rosetta emulation but no ones bothered testing it yet

Oh nvm reddit says 8t m1 gets ~57k via rosetta2

https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=268214

~50ish +-20% depending on power profile/cooling it seems

[fickle needle]

ouch

[mighty widget]

im at 1.4 million

[sacred sonnet]

Nice :D

[fierce steppe]

Been unable to connect to F@H assignment servers all day, anyone else unable to download new WUs?

[humble rover]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=713

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,43504_offset,0#659962

The key findings of the stress test revealed the following points:
We had previously determined that in 2020 the volunteers contributing to World Community Grid delivered the computing power similar to a cluster of 12,000 computing nodes running at 100% capacity 24x7 for the entire year where node each contains 1 Intel Core i7-9700K CPU @ 3.60GHz processor from CPUs only. We can now further state that the volunteers are able to provide an additional 8x that computing power from GPUs.
The current World Community Grid infrastructure is able to meet the load generated by this computing power with this particular mix of research projects. However, the infrastructure was pushed to its limit, and any further growth or possibly a different mix of research projects would require increased infrastructure.
The OpenPandemics - GPU workunits consisted of many small files that created high IO load on both the volunteers' computers and the World Community Grid infrastructure. If we were able to combine these small files into a few larger files, this may reduce the IO load on both the volunteers' computers and on the World Community Grid infrastructure. This change would likely allow the infrastructure to handle a greater load from the volunteers and improve the experience for the volunteers.

[charred monolith]

Hello

I just downloaded folding at home earlier today, how do I know it's working?

[humble rover]

Monitor your gpu in software or at client.foldingathome.org

[charred monolith]

ok

thanks

Should I join a team? If so, which one?

[humble rover]

I mean considering you're in the LTT folding discord

223518

[charred monolith]

alright

[rich depot]

ANd btw

Most of the stuff does happen in the ltt forums

[charred monolith]

ok

[mental sinew]

what're you guys folding

[earnest shoal]

An keyboard 😁

[hushed bobcat]

I leave mine on auto

[elfin inlet]

https://tenor.com/bj9EB.gif

[north delta]

what’s folding?

[rich depot]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1328180-official-ltt-fh-foldinghome-faq-guide-team-223518/

[north delta]

so like buying and selling items virtually

for irl money

[rich depot]

no

You're in essence, donating you computing power

for these scientific endeavours

same thing with BOINC

https://linustechtips.com/topic/151235-official-ltt-boinc-faq-guide/

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about/

[north delta]

ohhhhh

[rich depot]

Yea, I probably should've linked to that instead

[hushed bobcat]

nice

[hushed cypress]

GUYS WHAT IS folding \

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about/?lng=en-CA

Whys this in japanese lmao

Folding @ home (FAH or F @ h) is a distributed computing project that simulates the movement of proteins, dealing with the process of molecular folding and the behavior of proteins involved in various diseases. To that end, the project is working with citizen scientists to collaborate on these simulations on their computers. The results obtained will help scientists deepen their understanding of biology and provide an opportunity to develop treatments.

[mighty widget]

holy shit

[keen field]

I tend to leave my PC running 24/7

So I might as well use it for something :P

I also take pretty frequent breaks from games

[mighty widget]

why not mining?

[keen field]

I just haven't really gotten into that yet.

[hushed bobcat]

Requirements are also more lax for folding

[humble rover]

Yeah its just a matter of whether you want it to be profitable or not

[keen delta]

Heya, someone from the F@H team here

if you have any questions for the F@H devs or about F@H itself I'm here

[violet pond]

i got my upgrades in, so folding is back on. gtx 970 to a 3060

[keen delta]

That's our test website

No idea why it's like that either

somebody is just testing apparently

[hushed bobcat]

Curious as to why the F@H team made an ARM client, is ARM more efficient for folding? (more work per watt of power consumed)

[rich depot]

I mean, you've got people folding on macbooks and Raspberry Pi s

[hushed bobcat]

yea, but it just seems like a very small amount of people would actually use it

also ARM devices tend to be much lower power

so they tend to not get as much work done

[humble rover]

Individually yes, but kubernetes and networked clustered computing aren't too far fetched from what ive seen in homelab

[keen delta]

As far as I'm aware mostly due to the vast amount of smartphones out there

[hushed bobcat]

In my opinion anything that's a high sustained load is bad for a battery

Also very few phones can really handle the thermal output

[keen delta]

It isn't as easy as you might think it is

[keen delta]

Not all WU's are the same

[spice pewter]

Whats this? Uh, the galaxy z flip is junk

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

[spice pewter]

Ohhh cool

Thanks

[keen delta]

Any questions?

[humble rover]

Any updates on moonshot? 👀

[stable ferry]

do u get paid anything for folding?

[rich depot]

Nope

[hushed bobcat]

Curecoin is a cryptocurrency based on folding

[stable ferry]

so whats the point of folding than?

[rich depot]

It's in essence donating

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

[hushed bobcat]

you are volunteering CPU and GPU computational power for medical research purposes

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.29.339317v1.abstract

https://www.cio.com/article/3616676/crowdsourced-supercomputing-zeroes-in-on-covid-19.html

[humble rover]

To put it in more real terms, Moonshot and OpenPandemics are both evaluating potential drug targets against SARS-CoV-2

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01571-1

[keen delta]

What's the latest update you got?

There are some news

but I think it's all public

[humble rover]

Nothing in particular, just feels like it's been ages since sprint 6 ended haha

[keen delta]

If it's anything new to you, they are currently testing (themselves, not the FDA) a vaccine and apparently it's also effective against the delta variant

I'm just someone who contributes and helps out

but the actual science isn't open to me either

I can ask the scientists, if you want though

[humble rover]

Nah its all good let them be, I'll just watch the WUs as they come out haha seems like an even split between cancer and covid drug targets atm

[humble rover]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=715

[keen delta]

Anyways, it's interesting

[pulsar arrow]

looking for good boinc sites ne1?

[keen delta]

Not that

[light axle]

Nice

[solar geode]

Hey my motherboard came with m.2 pads and I don’t know what there for. I checked the manual and it doesn’t really say anything about it all it says is that it is optional what do they do?

[humble rover]

#tech-support but also they're probably for your heatsinks (if applicable) when you swap ssds or something

[solar geode]

@humble rover oh sorry clicked on wrong channel😂

[keen delta]

Very nice

[keen delta]

It's a bit quiet here

[humble rover]

lol usually is outside of events

Forum is more active

[keen delta]

Outside of events?

[humble rover]

Yeah this group runs a summer sprint and winter marathon for FAH, but outside of those theres not much engagement unless something major comes up

[keen delta]

That's interesting

but good to know

I wish we had a dev blog or something

an active dev blog to be exact

[humble rover]

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/blog/1345-mid-week-madness-folding-sprint/

This was the last event

Most of the activity is here

https://linustechtips.com/topic/902973-folding-community-board/

[hushed bobcat]

this channel was crazy during the "Folding Boom" of 2020

especially right after the LTT folding video came out

[stark bough]

I’m paying for my power now and I can’t get a replacement GPu so I’m on Hiatus for folding.

[keen delta]

That's okay

F@H will probably be a thing for a long time

we are also working on some "big" improvments and features

you'll see soon

[twin holly]

what is boinc

[humble rover]

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[twin holly]

also is the ltt team for fah still up?

[humble rover]

The team never disbanded

[twin holly]

oh

[midnight smelt]

Is an GTX460 and an C2Q Q8300 any help?

[high willow]

Not much, but both that cpu and that gpu should be able to fold

I had it running on some core 2 duos before, took like a full day to do a single work unit but it did it

[midnight smelt]

C2Q is quite an improvement over an C2D, basically it should push 2 workloads a day then. Hm. That GPU is also fairly decent, but i mean, nowhere close my 1050ti and Ryzen 5 2600x eh ill see

[tired crow]

There will be a summer sprint event as soon as Gotspectrum can free up some time to get it organised.

It should be soon.

[rich depot]

Yay

[stark bough]

I’m holding my folding power for the winter. Tooo hawt.

[keen delta]

Yeah, we have different work units

Anything that you have

[midnight smelt]

okay, i already folded a bit on my main system, but didnt in a long time. well, ill see what i can do in the winter when i need an warm room!

[keen delta]

Alright

[high coral]

What is folding and bionic

What is this channel about

[spare widget]

Bruh.

#folding-and-boinc message

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[keen delta]

Anyways, I probably really should get some work done

[keen delta]

You know, updates and stuff

[keen delta]

Might give a little sneak peak

[hushed bobcat]

I can't imagine what more F@H client would need

i mean all it has to do is download jobs / let the pc crunch the numbers / and send the completed results back

so im quite curious about these new features you keep talking about

[keen delta]

It maybe sounds that easy, but isn't

also I didn't say new feature

but also just a lot of rework

nothing is perfect

[keen delta]

I don't promise anything

[keen delta]

Whatsoever, you'll see

[plain cloak]

What computer specs are you guys running?

[midnight smelt]

Is the folding software able to be ran on win xp?

Might have a ton of pcs then

[humble rover]

Site says XP SP3 or newer

[midnight smelt]

If win 95-98 is supported too, then a alot more xD

[midnight smelt]

YES 500mhz single core cpu 512mb ddr1-100 laptop leesss goo

[plain cloak]

How many do you have excactly?

[tired crow]

Ryzen 7 2700X, 16GB (2x8) DDR4-2400, 2 X RTX 2060 SUPER

[plain cloak]

Geeze

[hushed bobcat]

This is what I ran during the last folding sprint @plain cloak

1. i7-8700k @4.7GHz (8 threads), GTX 1080Ti, P106-90
2. i7-4790k @4.4GHz (4 threads), GTX 970, P106-90
3. 2x Intel Xeon E5-2667V2's (24 threads), GTX 660Ti, 2x P106-90's
4. i5-2500k @4.0GHz (2 threads), GTX 660Ti
5. Ryzen 5 3600x @3.6GHz (8 threads)

[plain cloak]

Holy crap... Is my Asus tuff gaming A15 even a comparison?

[hushed bobcat]

every little bit counts

alot of my stuff i just cobbled together from the cheapest stuff i found on eBay

system #3 has like $300 in it

System #3

system #2

well in that pic it has a 660 Ti and a 970

i moved the 970 to the top slot and put a p106-90 in the bottom slot

old mining cards are great for Folding

[midnight smelt]

How many win xp machines?

About.. 10? Atleast able to boot atm.

Should be able to get another 3-5 running if stuff still works

[fickle needle]

can confirm, folding on old junk is fun AF

[keen delta]

Officially no

It's difficult

"we" have to choose between compatibility, speed etc.

and we have small work units, but many are not that small

so yeah

[keen delta]

I always feel a bit akward when I say "we"

[humble rover]

"we", "the team" is all the same lul

[midnight smelt]

Ahh.. there was that one programm tho. Kernel.. idk.. might try lul

[keen delta]

I mean it's still a bit weird

anyways, I might give you an update

don't take it for granted though

[humble rover]

An exclusive 👀

[keen delta]

Might or might not be

anyways, it's not too critical

but doesn't look like I'm allowed to talk about it

I mean I could, but I'd probably get removed

it's basically a "big" client update

I can tell that much

[humble rover]

It's metro UI, calling it

[keen delta]

I can pretty much guarantee you, that this is not the case

it's hard to guess probably

[humble rover]

Mobile app

[keen delta]

You still have some guesses left

and yeah

although that's not a secret

just very unknown

but that's not what I meant

[high willow]

ive run core 2 duos on folding
they took about a day to complete a work unit, but were able to do it

[midnight smelt]

Ohh fancy~

Well, lemme have some guesses

Selectable Workload difficulty

Support to older Hardware/software

Opensource?

[midnight smelt]

Huh, Pocophone F1 go brr. Also Wiko Rainbow Lite

[keen delta]

1. No (Pretty sure)

2. We already do that

3. Yesn't

also not so many questions at once

please

[midnight smelt]

Heh, okay

Tho, to one, sad.

Could i have a main pc, controlling my other pcs to do shit?

Just a general question

[keen delta]

Uhm

I think you can already do that

[midnight smelt]

Raspberry pi's arent supported,no?

[keen delta]

With the regular client

[midnight smelt]

Oh, cool.

[keen delta]

Dude

[midnight smelt]

Hm?

[keen delta]

https://foldingathome.org/2020/11/24/new-client-with-arm-support/?lng=en

[midnight smelt]

?

[keen delta]

The news are from last year

[midnight smelt]

Ah i see

Yeah cant look atm xD

[keen delta]

F@h does support ARM

[midnight smelt]

But pi's arm is.. a bit different, atleast kinda

Ill look later, like, in 10-15h.

Rn its 2:38am

[keen delta]

https://download.foldingathome.org/releases/public/release/fahclient/debian-stable-arm64/v7.6/fahclient_7.6.21_arm64.deb

[midnight smelt]

How does overclocking affect folding? Is it bad?

Or is it fine?

[keen delta]

Might seem weird, but "we" usually recommend undervolting

accuracy is more important than speed

[midnight smelt]

Saving power and less heat, and that

[keen delta]

We also have enough contributors

[midnight smelt]

I dont know how many pcs ill be able to host here tho. Probably 2, maybe 3. Amd also not non stop..

[midnight smelt]

Well, more power (unoced) is better, no?

Like, more workloads done = more progress?

But to get more workloads done, more pcs are needed (or more powerful)

[keen delta]

If the accuracy is shit and we have to calculate the same stuff over and over again no

[midnight smelt]

Or am i getting this wrong-?

[midnight smelt]

"Unoced"

[keen delta]

Kind of

[midnight smelt]

So, stock speeds, they should be accurate, no?

(also overclocking makes stuff less accurate? How do games and renderer combat that then? Is it just not needed there?

((like, im actually curious now

[keen delta]

Uhh

[midnight smelt]

Like, i dont know much about this, i know a fair bit, but you keep on learning.

[humble rover]

Computational mathematics are error adverse because one miscalculation means you scrap the unit (as it's procedural instead of individual frames)

Even with several parallel calculations, that's wasted time if you have to recalculate

[midnight smelt]

Ah.

[keen delta]

Did you try googling it

[midnight smelt]

I cant atm

[keen delta]

Why can you write here

[midnight smelt]

Like i said, here.

[midnight smelt]

Used up mobile data.

[keen delta]

Just google it tommorow in that case

[midnight smelt]

Ig.

But, well, if i would start folding. Overclocking bad, stock speeds ??, Undervolt good?, Underclock ??

Like, what is the best i could do between accurate and quick?

Just stock?

Or should i underclock + undervolt?

Or overvolt + underclock-?

Like, you recommended undervolt.

But wouldn't full voltage (or stock) be more accurate?

Thats just the thing that buggs me

[humble rover]

We've seen during past events that undervolting + bumping up speeds can do just as much work with less thermal load, but you still shouldnt push it to the extremes

tldr stock is safest

[midnight smelt]

Ok thanks finally.

So just stock speeds and cruise.

[humble rover]

In essence, under-volting allows you to run a higher clock frequency at a lower GPU core voltage and thus at a lower heat load making GPUs more efficient.

The same effect can be had by lowering the power limit and adding a positive Clock Offset. The issue with this approach is when a Work Unit (WU) checkpoints, or something else occurs which reduces the GPU load for a longish interval, when returning to activity the offset tends to apply to an already fairly high clock frequency typically causing the WU to fail.

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1259546-how-to-undervolt-nvidia-gpus-in-linux/

[rich depot]

You could also install Linux distro on 'em

[plain cloak]

So what Ive learnt from this discord is: Gpu for folding and cpu for community grid?

[humble rover]

Yep (though WCG now also supports GPUs)

[midnight smelt]

no, i cant, already tryed.

[keen delta]

Well

doing design work

:v

[rich depot]

Ah, sad

[midnight smelt]

They just refused to boot, aka Kernel Panic, driver issues, just a black screen and then a reset, all wierd stuff. Oh, that one time i got a old version of ubuntu up and running, and performance was terrible

[high willow]

ive also had weird issues with old hardware and linux
especially nvidia chipsets

[midnight smelt]

Yeaah

nForce and such.. ehhh

(dumb question, but, could i write my own folding client and like, let a gameboy fold? Simmilar to mining Bitcoin on a GB

[high willow]

lmao
the work unit would expire long before it finished

[midnight smelt]

(I mean not nessescarly

(how long does a workload live?

[high willow]

on the fah client it only lasts like a day

[humble rover]

Anywhere from 2 days to a week depending on hardware deadline

[high willow]

but idk if that’s artificially imposed

[humble rover]

It is calculated based on their baseline hardware and project data requirements

[midnight smelt]

Hmm well, baseline hardware, gb cpu

[high willow]

all i know is i wouldnt want to be some researcher who’s waiting on this protein to come in only to find out it’s being done on a gameboy and it’ll take like a month

[midnight smelt]

Aka, time >= ∞

[midnight smelt]

*year or two.

[midnight smelt]

I meaan, its still faster progress kinda. I mean, the main calculation power goes up by like, 0%

Warship?

[high willow]

lol

[midnight smelt]

0.1-E∞% if that makes sense. Tho, closer to 0%

[high willow]

if only older gpus could fold
anything under fermi/amd 5000 cards won’t work in fah iirc

[midnight smelt]

Wai-

Wow- gtx460, did ya hear that? In the winter youre gonna be heating my room!

[high willow]

heat the whole house with folding quad sli gtx 480s

[midnight smelt]

I mean ok

Ill probably be folding on these machines if i can. (Machine 2 is pretty surely yes.)

Machine 1:
Ryzen 5 2600x
1050ti
16gb ram

Machine 2:
C2Q Q8300
GTX460
4gb (ordered upgrade to 8gb.)

Machine 3:
Laptop with Celeron n5040 passive cooling and it instantly hits 105C under load
8gb ram

Machine 4+:
Random Laptops And WinXP PC's.

Maybe im able to do something!

[hushed bobcat]

GTX 970 WU:

P106-90 WU:

it could be a coincidence but it seems the lower power card is getting more time to complete a unit

[humble rover]

Oh theres finally a new sprint? lool

[humble rover]

They have different project deadlines, 17804 is 2 days and 18202 is 5 days

[keen delta]

We give out simpler WU's to older hardware

just one's that aren't that powerful

and I think this'll do more harm than good

[modern vine]

would anyone here be able to help my spec out a system for crunching World Community Grid
tasks on boinc ? I am thinking of going with some xeons just based off of how cheap you can get reasonable fast cores on the second hand market and second because I want to work with server hardware thoughts on this as a whole? and yes I do know it will take more power but I am not worried about that as I think I could deal with the power needed for one or two rigs than again I could be wrong so feel free to comment on that. I would say I probably have around 500usd budget for starting out but will be able to put more into in the long term if that would be a better route. "
thanks in advance for any help.

[humble rover]

Early ryzen does as much work as 2P xeons in some cases

If you want a general reference for what cpus do in terms of work to guide your purchasing @modern vine

https://www.boincstats.com/stats/6/host/breakdown/cpu/

[modern vine]

well the problem I have been told about with boinc stats is that it doesn't show if a pc is running just world gird or is running two different projects is that going to be a problem ?

[humble rover]

Chinese X99 boards are a fun look on the budget too

Not really no, it scales pretty predictably

[modern vine]

or would it make more sense to throw a more powerful cpu into my rig right now
I am running a ryzen 5 3600 on a msi b450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC any good options to put into that motherboard ?

[modern vine]

with this should i be looking at Average credit per CPU?

[humble rover]

Yeah, though I believe most boinc tasks are assigned per thread

[modern vine]

yeah I think something like that

[modern vine]

is this for world community gird or boinc as a whole ?

[humble rover]

BOINCstats as a whole, you'd have to compare against users for project specific cpu output

WCG also reports points differently than BOINC

[modern vine]

f that sucks that is going to make this a lot harder

[humble rover]

For WCG (I think)

https://www.boincstats.com/stats/15/host/breakdown/cpu/

[modern vine]

ok thanks

[outer sage]

[humble rover]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=722

GPU

Available for download: 6,338 batches
In progress: 5,441 batches
Completed: 60,876 batches
9,520 batches in the last 30 days
Average of 317.0 per day
Estimated backlog: 20.0 days

[hushed bobcat]

I managed to resume folding for a couple days but then we had a heat wave :(

[humble rover]

I had to stop when it was pushing 40c with humidity aha

But now we're gusting back down to 14c (spring temps)

Within a week lmao

[hushed bobcat]

Yesterday it was 97F (36.1C) at 70% humidity

House AC ran for probably 8-12 hours straight

[opaque valve]

thar's a heat wave? In australia that would be wednesday

[humble rover]

It definitely is when its causing wildfires

[hushed bobcat]

the humidity is what kills here

[humble rover]

And even then its still not as bad as asia lol

Its all relative

[rich depot]

and in the middle east as well

[proven marlin]

while I'm over here thinking everyone must of stole Florida's weather

[spare epoch]

Anyone have input on using some older gpus for folding? Considering using my older game system to fold

[high willow]

how old
i think gpus before fermi (gtx 400) and hd 5000 isnt supported

[tired crow]

Supported System Configuration
The following Operating Systems (OS) and hardware configurations are supported by F@H Software for folding. Please note that the older the hardware is, the longer it needs to fold per day to ensure that it can finish the assigned WU successfully before the Timeout date:
Windows (32 bit) - Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7
CPU with SSE2 or AVX2 or better - Intel Core 2 Duo or newer, Athlon 64 or newer
GPU with OpenCL 1.2 with Double Precision - AMD Radeon HD 5830 or newer, Nvidia GeForce GT 710 or newer
Windows (64 bit) - Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7
CPU with SSE2 or AVX2 or better - Intel Core 2 Duo or newer, Athlon 64 or newer
GPU with OpenCL 1.2 with Double Precision - AMD Radeon HD 5830 or newer, Nvidia GeForce GT 710 or newer
Linux (64-bit) - Centos, Debian, Fedora, Mint, Redhat, Ubuntu
CPU with SSE2 or AVX2 or better - Intel Core 2 Duo or newer, Athlon 64 or newer
GPU with OpenCL 1.2 with Double Precision - AMD Radeon HD 5830 or newer, Nvidia GeForce GT 710 or newer
macOS (64-bit) - Catalina, Mojave, High Sierra, Sierra, El Capitan, Yosemite, Mavericks, Mountain Lion, Lion
CPU with SSE2 or AVX2 or better - Intel Core 2 Duo or newer, Athlon 64 or newer

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[midnight smelt]

Wait.. the gtx 460 isnt supported?

[high willow]

guess not
i feel like anything fermi and above was supported, but maybe they updated the requirements

[midnight smelt]

If it aint, rip, cant heat my room with that thing

[placid goblet]

F@H supports Fermi, so you can use it as a room heater if you wish, along with generating meaningless Internet points and helping with research.

[midnight smelt]

Nice.

[proper fractal]

great job selling Folding

[keen delta]

It's more of a philantrophic thing

so yeah

[midnight smelt]

I always liked that stuff, and was active in the last winter

Just, on my own

Like, i installed it, choosed an thing, and let it run-

[placid goblet]

It's a strategy I've developed
Put the important parts at the end and the interesting stuff at the beginning, so they get hooked

[midnight smelt]

not like i was hooked already, but yep, would have worked.

[rich depot]

If you guys have been wondering where I've been then read the post below. https://linustechtips.com/status/303432/

[opaque valve]

Yeah it be like that.
Had myself a good old breakdown or 3 in 2020

[rich depot]

If anyone is wanting to help out with the next folding event, expected to be towards the start of next month drop me a DM on the forum.

[rich depot]

Next folding event thread is now live! https://linustechtips.com/topic/1364726-ltt-summer-folding-sprint/

[rich depot]

Yay

[midnight smelt]

Hm. Im able to join when it gets cold here

[timber grove]

it kinda sucks that i wont be able to join the event

[silver wing]

Test pointless message, please ignore

[hushed bobcat]

Roger captain

[timber grove]

very hard to ignore

[viral tangle]

Z flip go brrr

[maiden turtle]

@viral tanglethats for the advise im taking it into consideration when i get one

[timber swift]

Dont forget the Folding Sprint is September 10th! You have until the 8th to sign up 🙂

[silk rose]

May I ask what the Folding Sprint is?

Or what Folding/Boinc is, just in general?

I am aware of Folding@Home, as in the research that uses computer resources in order to simulate tasks, but is there any information that could be given as to how I can help?

[lost relic]

Ltt made a video all about it.
https://youtu.be/KU4qOebhkfs

[silk rose]

Okay. Thank you!

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/about-2/

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

@silk rose TLDR you contribute your hardware to solve (mostly) medical research problems or potential pharmaceutical breakthroughs, or aid in research paper data. FAH is covered in great detail, BOINC less so but it does mostly the same thing but leveraging more CPU resources than GPU and covers a slightly wider range of (mostly) related topics including climate change. Don't feel like you have to have it on 24/7, just contribute whatever makes you comfortable and when you can spare it; every little bit helps

To get started, download either client, set up your account and link it to the LTT team!

[hushed bobcat]

signed up

nearly forgot

[proven marlin]

hmmmm, may join in, though the heat here been toasty of late

[midnight smelt]

Ill def join when it gets colder, which it does. Btw, i assume Linux works too? (And is there a PacMan package, or an AUR one?)

(yup there is an AUR package)

[humble rover]

Yes there is a linux client for both gui and cmd I believe

[fickle slate]

sus tech tips

[timber swift]

A few hours left to sign up!

[silk rose]

Just signed up, and I am folding :)

I think I have it set up right.

[silk rose]

Would you guys be aware of any average of points that I would be getting on my system?

I am currently getting an EST of

[humble rover]

Check here:

https://folding.lar.systems/

[silk rose]

It seems I am getting way over my estimated PPT, is that about right?

EST on the website you linked is
175968
I am getting around
247310

[humble rover]

When you are early in the work, it takes time for the estimate to become accurate

What card is it

[silk rose]

3700x and a 1070

That was CPU statistics

[humble rover]

It also varies by project

[silk rose]

Gotcha. Alright.

Looks like we're 100% pegged tbh

[humble rover]

Some users find you gain a bit freeing up CPU threads, as long as you leave one for the GPU and generallyy one for the OS

But its up to what you find most comfortable

Also you dont need to have the visualizer open unless you just find it looks neat lol

[silk rose]

i just had it open to see what it was

folding both @ home and @ work

[ornate talon]

Hi, Idk if this is the best location for this question. I have been looking at smart watches but have an allergy to cheaper metal. Are there any Smart watches that feature a plastic back or something hypoallergenic? I think there was some kind of mention of plastic being used for the TickWatch E3? Thanks in advance.

[proper fractal]

hey everyone. reminder that the folding sprint starts in about 6 hours. forum thread for it is here https://linustechtips.com/topic/1364726-ltt-summer-folding-sprint/

[rich depot]

@silver wing Check LTT PMs

[hushed bobcat]

a little late but i just fired up my setup

[humble rover]

Back to wishing you could pause WUs without losing PPD, unlike boinc 🥳

[plain cloak]

My group "The_Snaccs" is up and running, lets beat cancer! You can join it here!: https://join.worldcommunitygrid.org?recruiterId=1146390&teamId=1XRCP9WCG2

Here's the computing options for you technical people out there. Its made to run whilst your listening to music or watching videos, it should pause while your gaming as well. I've reduced some of the settings to save power and optimize my computers temps cuz its burnin'

[humble rover]

But LTT already has a WCG team 🤔

[tame saddle]

Hi, i have a proposal to make for a project called Leela Chess Zero, that could need some help from the LTT community. Its about Chess and Neural Nets basicly a more progressed and Open Alpha Zero version, since they need a lot of GPU power to train the Nets it would be fun to see if the LTT-Community could rocket boost this Project.🚀🚀🚀
Thanks and best regards😄
http://training.lczero.org

[rich depot]

Try making a post on the forums as well,
Folding/BOINC team is a lot more active there

[tame saddle]

Which forum can you give me a link?

[tired crow]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/902973-folding-community-board/

[humble rover]

World Community Grid is becoming part of Krembil Research Institute, a leading scientific research institution in Toronto, Canada. Krembil Research Institute is part of the University Health Network, which is North America's largest hospital research network, and affiliated with University of Toronto, one of the world's top public universities. And just as importantly, it's the professional home of Dr. Igor Jurisica, Senior Scientist at Krembil, Professor at University of Toronto, and longtime World Community Grid collaborator. Dr. Jurisica will lead World Community Grid as it moves to its next chapter.

IBM created World Community Grid in 2004 as a proof-of-concept for distributed (or grid) computing. During its years with IBM, the program built a global volunteer base and became a significant source of computing power for humanitarian scientific research. And now, Krembil Research Institute will continue expanding the program.

🇨🇦

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=732

[tame saddle]

@tired crow thanks, could you help me on this since english isnt my native language and i dont have an account there.

[hushed bobcat]

thats a meaty WU

[humble rover]

A8s are nice like that, but theyre running long now

[flat apex]

This is abit of a late response but if you're still wondering, yes the tic watch e3 is a high quality plastic, but if you were looking at the tic watch e3 pro it's unfortunately metal

[delicate crane]

Up

[hushed bobcat]

ive been noticing my PPD is way over the average for some reason

power target is set to 80% too

[humble rover]

Oh the event is over lol

[trim rain]

how can i verify that FAHClient support my GPU

because i installed OpenCL ICD and driver and its doesnt work 06:01:21:WARNING:FS00:No CUDA or OpenCL 1.2+ support detected for GPU slot 00: gpu👎-1. Disabling.

clinfo tells my GPU is Device Version OpenCL 3.0 NEO

it should statisfy 1.2+

[humble rover]

@trim rain what GPU do you have and what driver?

[trim rain]

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation GeminiLake [UHD Graphics 600] (rev 03)

and OpenCL 3.0 works when i try to make a short test program in C using OpenCL with CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU

[humble rover]

Is this a laptop? AFAIK FAH doesn't support most iGPUs

[trim rain]

yes

but the error is confusing it say it need OpenCL 1.2+ but the iGPU i have, work with OpenCL 3.0

[humble rover]

All I got is this

https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=36512

[trim rain]

ok

You will probably have to add the option GPU-BETA set to TRUE for it to work. how to do this

[trim rain]

ok

is case of the letters matters?

[humble rover]

no

[trim rain]

ok

like this?

ok

same thing even after readding the GPU slot

still it show my GPU not support OpenCL 1.2 or later when it work when i use OpenCL 3.0

or it something else

u there @humble rover ?

[humble rover]

bahaha I like how the URL has it as 2009 awards ceremony

https://linustechtips.com/blogs/entry/2009-award-ceremony/

Next LTT folding event is slated to begin NOVEMBER 1

[rich depot]

Yay

[twin holly]

Should i get my old laptop to do this?

[humble rover]

Depends how old and whether you want to leave it on all day

[twin holly]

its got a A8-5550M apu

its basically waste

[humble rover]

You're looking at a few thousand points I reckon

[twin holly]

ok

it would be on a shelf, as a space heater since like winter is coming XD

i wonder if it would shutdown due to bad thermals

lets find out!

[humble rover]

Run the LAR extension if you want, theres a few APUs on there but they're pretty far down

https://folding.lar.systems/cpu_ppd/brands/amd/

[twin holly]

All set up. It predicts 1200 points per day

hard drives take soooo long

[high willow]

lmao
I think my core 2 duo got higher than that

[twin holly]

This is bulldozer architecture, and it was a mobile chip. Also according to hwinfo, it hits 100°C almost instantly and hovers between 92-97°C. AMD was not at a good point....

And its an HP laptop

Basically what im saying is im not surprised

[hushed bobcat]

IMO it'll probably die pretty fast

Then you won't have to worry about it 🙂

[proven marlin]

lappys, there lies the answer. Think only laptop I had of late that don't cook itself while crunching is my old Toshiba with an duo core i3. I haven't dare to do any crunching with my latest lappy; gets toasty enough with games and VMs. xD

[twin holly]

its been like that for years

it needs a new cooler

but i dont wanna spend more money on an old laptop

[humble rover]

I used my XPS for an event for the lols, then realized I could use a r9 290 for heat and still get higher ppd

[hushed bobcat]

Yes but you haven't been running it at 100% load 24/7

Most laptops are made to work in quick bursts

Running hard for long periods tends to cook components you don't think of

Like VRM's and chipsets

I had an old Lenovo Thinkpad W541 (Haswell) that broke the solder joints for the discreet GPU

[high willow]

wonder if you could take the mb out of the case and improve the cooling with some of those little aliexpress heatsinks on vrms + a zip tied on cpu cooler for the cpu

probably wouldnt be worth it for that setup ofc

[hushed bobcat]

that would be interesting to try for sure

i'd even replace the CPU heatsink and fan with a bigger more desktop like one

[humble rover]

Take a page out of blade servers, just run the laptop without the back cover and put it downwind of an industrial fan LUL

[hushed bobcat]

blowie-matron

[high willow]

thats what I was saying

[hushed bobcat]

ohh

my bad totally missed the last part of your statement

[proven marlin]

don't gib me ideas; I been tempted to do that to my Dell G5. Considering, taking off the bottom is not super hard.

:3 see how long this 2070 Max-Q survives

though, came close to killing an old Nexus 7 with BOINC. xD Ya talk about toasty, the back side of that got toasty one time where I ran it 24/7 for a full week

[high willow]

get that phone water cooler thing Linus did a video on a while back

[proven marlin]

no thank you. I did water cooling in the past and no more. Either hardware survives or it dies. Plus, old arse Nexus 7, if that dies, not much lose really.

[humble rover]

https://foldingathome.org/2021/09/27/covid-moonshot-wellcome-trust-funding/?lng=en

[humble rover]

https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/article.s?articleId=736

Woah WCG UI got a massive overhaul, very nice

For the past few months, the research team has been preparing to send a second set of compounds for lab testing as potential treatments for COVID-19. They have now sent an additional group of approximately 170 compounds for testing by collaborators.

[keen field]

Hey y'all. I've had a lot of aborted tasks just sitting in my tasks bar forever now. I want them to disappear without having to show active tasks only. Is there a way I can do that?

[humble rover]

@keen field try resetting the project under Projects tab?

[keen field]

Won't that reset all of my stats though?

[humble rover]

Only the tasks you are currently working on or havent submitted, your stats are stored server side

[rich depot]

pro choice machine

[keen delta]

Yeah, looks nice

[timber swift]

FOLDING@rancid agate EVEN 2021 IS NOVEMBER 8TH https://linustechtips.com/topic/1380289-ltt-official-folding-month-2021/?do=getNewComment

[keen delta]

That's gonna be fun

[tame saddle]

Any love for chess?
https://training.lczero.org
This Project needs also some help folding/running the client to train Neural Networks. Works best with Nvidia GPU's
Would be great if someone could make an LTT account on the list that everyone from the community can contribute to.

[severe warren]

hey is this a pretty decent profile? thinking I should put this on my linkedIn page in the projects section but I have no clue if this is an acomplishment

[tame saddle]

Your hired!😄

[rich depot]

Just bumping folding month

[hushed bobcat]

Thanks for the reminder

[hexed night]

hi

ive got two pc

i want to shre files within them

ihave connected both of em with rj45 cable

both are private network

but i couldnt share my files

[spare widget]

Wrong channel? More proper channels are tech support or networking?

[random harbor]

Hey what is this ?

[green fern]

Just getting back into is... is it still true that AMD GPU's don't perform nearly as well as NVIDIA?

Debating on bringing my NUC online with an RX 540, but still haven't decided if I want to set it up for that quite yet

[rich depot]

nvidia has better driver and game support Im told

[rich depot]

how much have hassanabi folded?

[green fern]

Folding... game support?

[humble rover]

The current work units prefer CUDA over openCL for the most part, and cancer units have a tenancy to cripple amd cards; that being said there are some WUs that prefer opencl but they are few in number

You can get a good overview of hardware stats here

https://folding.lar.systems/

[green fern]

I've been looking for a tool like that that! Thanks!

[proper fractal]

thinking of buying a new gpu, but havent really been keeping up with tech lately. what do yawl think is the best gpu in terms of value for folding, either new or second hand

[humble rover]

Everything is still inflated lolol last I checked KOs were still hot items? And obv ampere if you can find one I suppose

[proper fractal]

kek imagine having money for ampere

would 20 series be good?

[humble rover]

Maybe but the power draw over pascal hurts it, you'd be better off with ampere near the top of the stack

[proper fractal]

im seeing 2070s for about 800, which seem quite expensive, but thats pre shortage me talking lol

[humble rover]

1080s were still getting >1m ppd pretty reliably with the last wu bump haha

[proper fractal]

good to know. having rtx capability would be good to have for my other escapades. hate having to make decisions

[humble rover]

Good luck with black friday coming up lolol

[graceful patio]

20 series wasn't really a big upgrade from 10 series

[hushed bobcat]

my 1080Ti will manage 1.8-2.2mil if i recall

[timber swift]

1080ti's are now close to the 2M PPD mark, my 1070ti's (similar to 1080) are about 1.4-1.5m PDD each (a zotac mini and an EVGA FTW2)

20 series didnt have a huge bump in performance, but it does have a power efficiency bump, which is important if you're folding long term like I am. If you're not planning on folding year round then any card will do, but newer cards will sip on electricity rather than gulp it.

Nvidia cards are by far and away better for folding since the newest Work Units are designed to take advantage of more of the GPU's capabilities, so if you plan on folding (especially on linux) Nvidia seems to be the way to go. LAR_Systems on the fourm created both an LTT skin for the stats.foldingathome.org page as well as a GPU database that can track PPD per card (Or CPU) https://linustechtips.com/topic/1200195-fh-web-client-dark-skin-with-ppd-comparison-by-gpu-wu/

[hushed bobcat]

WU Reward = OOF

[graceful patio]

Is there a way to set up folding to increase and decrease the limits depending on time because I have a solar setup

[humble rover]

Probably not ideal adjusting slots on the fly like that, more likely to pause/start a slot for time of use

[graceful patio]

But I'm still happy it running at night just at maybe half power

And say between 6.20 a.m. and 5 p.m. run the machine at full power because it's running off the sun

[hushed bobcat]

the only way i can think of is power limit via a program like MSI Afterburner

but i've never heard of doing that on a schedule

you could do it manually

save 2 profiles in MSI Afterburner, and just switch between them before you goto bed and after you wake up

[glad flint]

What is boinc?

[humble rover]

https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/BOINC-Berkeley-Open-Infrastructure-for-Network-Computing

[hushed bobcat]

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1380289-ltt-official-folding-month-2021/?do=getNewComment

[rich depot]

what is folding and boinc

[midnight smelt]

@rich depot folding is basically simulating an illness and trying to find the cure against it. An example is covid, and cancer. And basically all you need is a decent gpu. (This probably isnt really all you need to know, so, someone please add to/correct me)

[rich depot]

and what’s boinc?

[midnight smelt]

Boinc is described in the message i responded to

[rich depot]

you said folding not boinc

[midnight smelt]

This

I replied to that in the folding message, if you didnt notice

[rich depot]

where in the message you never mentioned boinc

[midnight smelt]

The message i responded to, aka, i replied to an message, and pinged you..

(and no, thats not an custom Client, thats Discord Mobile in Amoled mode.)

[rich depot]

didn’t see you replied to the link

[midnight smelt]

Its alrighty- now you did-

[pseudo abyss]

Signed up for the folding month, will probably not fold as much as last years because electricity isnt cheap and dont want to make dad mad...

Almost missed it

[humble rover]

Every bit helps!

[thick holly]

Hey guys, if I still have everything set up, I just need to click fold, right?

[fluid merlin]

also protein folding is not that

you are simulating proteins

not illnesses

[midnight smelt]

I suppose

[humble rover]

Sooo folding month is on now, yeah? oops

Was too busy playing halo

[humble rover]

welp it be goin

[frail pine]

nobody talk in this chat for a month i wanna see how long this lasts

[analog steeple]

I couldn't help it :(

[keen delta]

No

[silk rose]

Are there any recomendations for folding on Linux?

[hushed bobcat]

Using Pop OS removes a couple steps so its a little easier to setup

[humble rover]

Didnt have many issues with mint, as long as its on ubuntu 18

[hushed bobcat]

i think i used Pop OS 20.04

mightve been 21

[silk rose]

Running ARCH @ the moment.
Unsure of where I would start. I will look into the AUR and see if there's anything on Folding.

[humble rover]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdvLGhIdzl8

Imagine

[hushed bobcat]

I've thought about getting one of those multi GPU servers for folding

[humble rover]

Mining frame prob better for cooling tbh

[humble rover]

Its hilarious the variability in p18201 points payouts lmao, but also the wildly different run iterations

One card always gets 30% less despite a higher power limit, but a much later evolution

[hushed bobcat]

the problem with mining frames is they tend to rely on mining motherboards that use USB to connect multiple GPU's

but myself and another user did some testing on here and we found Folding actually uses quite a bit of PCIE bandwidth

[humble rover]

Well yeah but you could always just opt not to use a moning board and go the gorgon way of pcie breakout so you still get min 4x per gpu

[dire latch]

🥴 🥴

[mellow prairie]

wow redstone engineers rise up

[thick holly]

I can't remember. CPU or GPU is better?

I will fold on both until I get an answer.

[tired tartan]

gpu is faster iirc

[silk rose]

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