#the-wan-show

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merry karma
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Tis usually around now

Though if the evil Facebook overlords want them to do something it might get complicated xD

peak coral
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supposed to have been 30 minutes ago, approximately ... but they never start on time, and have been up to 2 hours late before

merry karma
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Well twitch says the time is 1am to 2:15am EU... (CBA to change timezone). Which is a good estimate of when it starts

knotty flint
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Probably too busy making OnlyPlane and "content" thonk /s

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Although it should be in 10 minutes or so, they usually stream it around 4-6 AM for me

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Which is an hour after the community calendar n such

earnest lava
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Hey guys, guess what

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WAN show is late

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Looks like I get my free space on bingo again tonight

knotty flint
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LMG's probably running on Valve time schedule ever since their visit. Owell, time to watch RTFM for a bit until WAN show (probably) goes live.

night sigil
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Soon (tm)

knotty flint
potent finch
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I dunno, if LMG was operating under Valve rules they'd have to up the ante

torn estuary
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I mean, yeah, there's way more than 3 WAN shows.

potent finch
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not only will it bee SOON(TM) but we'll have Steve from GN & Jay-z

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Jay from 2 cents? or Jay-z? YES

knotty flint
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New rap album announced in the far future. Thanks ian, back to you Steve.

potent finch
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that's Dr. Ian McCuckDuck to you

night sigil
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DuckDuckPotato?

torn estuary
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I don't catch the show live often... this is later than normal, right?

peak coral
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there is no "normal" for the start time any more

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apart from being late

brave bridge
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up

knotty flint
brave bridge
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I shoudl start streaming right before WAN show so I could get some followers that would be waiting for linus

knotty flint
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They're streaming rn

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At least on twitch, not sure about youtbue

peak coral
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its pre show

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testing and the like

knotty flint
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Changing sponsors 'n all

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Altho usually how long it takes varies each stream

earnest lava
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Been watching WAN on twitch because it's in sync better, but I agree with Linus... it has a very toxic chat

knotty flint
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Hence Floatplane. linusKappa

stark sail
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Is the audio weird? Like Linus seems a lot louder than Luke

brave bridge
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that's just normal 😉

knotty flint
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Linus talking about "legally" pirating windows, interesting.

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Let's see how long until that backfires.

grizzled urchin
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what the hell i literally just bought a 970 evo plus and installed windows 10 on it like 2 hours ago and now linus is saying this lmao

knotty flint
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Rip

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Test it out on crystaldiskmark and if there is an obvious speed change, you could try returning it

grizzled urchin
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alright

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it was manufactured in may 2021

brave bridge
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I have three spare win7 liscences that I could use for win 11 upgrades, right?
also got 1 win8 and two win10 machiens too

knotty flint
knotty flint
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Don't quote me though since I haven't tried upgrading yet

sharp tree
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this is a 2-3 month old P2(posting results from crystaldisk shortly)

red mantle
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I don't know my brain wanted to see that as "Pentium 2"

knotty flint
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TLC most def, not QLC

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I'll try to find a CBM for it though

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@ guru3D

index.png
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Altho its a 500 gb not 1 tb and is not full

grizzled urchin
grizzled urchin
brave bridge
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my win7 liscences are on netbooks that cannnot handle win10 , so I might need to buy some OS-less PCs to get the liscences valid and tied to win10/11

knotty flint
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Side note: since there are a lot of you who might be concerned about their SSD's TLC/QLC/specs, get SSD-Z and it'd be easier to figure out some specs. Should be helpful with finding out the firmware, the name of the model exactly, the interface etc etc

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It also has its own benchmark included w/ 4K, IOPS, sequential and access time (could be done to any storage on your pc, even USBs)

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Basically CPU-Z but for your SSD.

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sharp tree
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just tested, my p2 registers as unknown

knotty flint
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Still shows the model name and the more important names to compare with the old vs "swapped" NAND and has benchmarks as well as other useful features

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There are things that are unknown but overall you can use the model name alone to figure it out

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Some companies change the model number despite things like this, especially when refurbishing products so this does help to an extent.

normal pike
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In response to the question about network switches, any chance we could get a video at some point that helps people learn more about homelabs, networking, and how to set up our routers and devices to make it easy to share files across our local network (and maybe how to set up lan gaming in general since many gamers like myself probably have no idea how to set it up for games like the original starcraft anymore and i'm sure lots of people would love to do it);

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I've been learning a lot from the #networking channel so seeing some of that invaluable info in video form would be really helpful;

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networkcanuck has also been a huge help;

grizzled urchin
grizzled urchin
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they only changed the PN number on the sticker

knotty flint
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Depends on per case, but should head to #tech-chat-1 to discuss it further or see if anyone else has had the same hardware.

Note to self: don't say "laywers" in your timestamps otherwise YT might hide your comment

void pelican
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missed the show live and it's not Floatplane

peak coral
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its on youtube

zealous spire
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Does everyone have this red line?

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torn estuary
twin fox
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whoops, seems like Linus forgot to unselect a source in OBS

rugged panther
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during wan show linus said that he had talk with wendell about linux being future of desktop. is there any VOD of that podcast/show or whatever they had?

solid raptor
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There was mention of a facebook like audio room or something. Its not something I'm really familiar with

potent finch
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FB dropped the ball lol, I can't find hide nor hair of it

round jay
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I just noticed this. What happened to the wanshow notifications channel. I have the role for it but it doesn't show up in the channel list.

short ferry
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I think the Social Media Coordinator is Slacking lol

solid raptor
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I think wan show notification hasn't worked for at least the past year and a half

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I did get the notification from just it hitting the ltt releases channel. tends to take a bit for that to show up

crude harness
toxic spire
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They could do the wan show in a/as a stage event.

rich peak
# toxic spire They could do the wan show in a/as a stage event.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmYBENyp2JI

YouTube
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▶ Play video
toxic spire
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Meant like a discord stage lol

knotty flint
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I mean, Discord podcast is a thing but it takes some time to configure, and people would be annoyed by pings or the alerts. Might as well just keep it on three platforms, more than enough already.

potent finch
crude scaffold
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boop

peak coral
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countdown to them being late ... again

iron dove
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They're already late to the Facebook live audio room but they're doing right now, or at least the most be doing right now, I wonder if that means wan so it's going to be later than usual

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There we go, they started the audio room

brave bridge
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so anyone know of a twitch channel that one can sit in before the wan show to participate in a raid?

potent finch
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the first person to just set up a stream to do that, it could be pretty lame and people would still watch

potent finch
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WAN show when?

peak coral
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whenever they feel like it

merry karma
solid raptor
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I mean people are already sitting in the chat for LTT on twitch

peak coral
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Its supposed to be 5:00 pm Friday, Pacific Time (PT)

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so 39 minutes ago

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but they are NEVER on time

urban tusk
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would be nice if they would like tweet something out on fridays about when they might come on....so people are not always sitting around for nothing....

glass vale
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literally just about to ask when they are going to go live lmao

proven frigate
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just trying to stay awake for it

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so tired 😦

glass vale
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lol its 10:43 AM in aussie land

merry karma
proven frigate
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its only 8:43 in NYC but its been a long week

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lots of 18h days

merry karma
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its post midnight in europe...

peak coral
glass vale
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You live in Perth?

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Lucky your not in lockdown

peak coral
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yup

glass vale
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Meanwhile I'm in Sydney eek

peak coral
glass vale
urban tusk
peak coral
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our governments would not allow us to meet, so its never happening

glass vale
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Were going to be allowed international travel before we can enter each other states lmfao

urban tusk
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damn corona-virus preventing my ltt community fan fiction from coming true.... :p

glass vale
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A couple of months ago it would have been possible

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Until delta came in

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Now we gotta get vaccinated before we can do anything

proven frigate
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yeah... I cant wait to go home, but I am not looking forward to having my kids in school given the numbers 😦

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wish more people would just put on a mask and get stuck

crude scaffold
solid raptor
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Masks became mandatory for everyone again where I'm at, not that I had stopped wearing it

peak coral
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to many unvaxed people having parties in bondi starting this latest lockdown

proven frigate
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so many Kiwi's and Aussies here this week, I hope when the event is over they can actually go home

deep lion
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no wan this week?

proven frigate
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yet

merry karma
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is it worse since the facebook live stuff?

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should find it and jump up and down lol

glass vale
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No announcement on if it's been cancelled yet

proven frigate
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the title just changed so they are getting ready

brave bridge
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I could be watching silvervale

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or honeygoblin

merry karma
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live?

solid raptor
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Yup live

merry karma
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linus doesn't wear pants on stream confirmed

solid raptor
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I spy a washer and dryer rfgSausage

bronze barn
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6pm pst is the new timeslot? They've been starting around 6pm for over a *2 months.

warm palm
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should have discord notification for wan live

glass vale
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check their twitch

solid raptor
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linus has the munchies

lean perch
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There we go!!!! On YT now!

proven frigate
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linus does not even drink booze

ionic trout
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Hi everyone

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I'm tatsu, co-founder of Sanctuary RTS

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I'd like to get in touch with Linus, as I'm pretty sure he'd be interested in my in-development game

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heck maybe it's something he wants to talk about on the WAN show

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I don't know

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in any event he'll probably want to get to know more and get involved in some form

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is posting links to youtube here cool?

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Ok i'll take that as a yes

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here's me and nine (other founder) being interviewed by Gyle :

opal wagon
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^ as an RTS fan, I support this

neat oyster
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Can the wan show be uploaded on the same day on Spotify

solid raptor
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Wonder if the court filing a permanent injunction in the Apple vs epic case will make it on Wan Show or techlinked

torn atlas
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Or both

restive bronze
peak coral
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colour me surprised ... late again

merry karma
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are they facebook streaming (and i guess it will be after that...)

merry karma
knotty flint
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They honestly could use the google podcast instead of the facebook one so that way they can allow non-mobile users to tune in

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They already do that with WAN show (given that it's always a few days after)

merry karma
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i think facebook sponsored it

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also why mobile only 🙄

knotty flint
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I recall the facebook audio thing won't work on PC and is a mobile exclusive feature

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Can't find it on my web either

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Guessing they need to "fit in with the hip kids", otherwise the same feature would be available on the web (like how YT shorts is implemented, but at least that's still accessible )

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Worst part is it's iOS exclusive so you cannot use android emulators to bypass it

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(Well, android can still tune in but cannot host)

merry karma
knotty flint
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Blizzard Jr. incoming

merry karma
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Meanwhile it does show the photo of someone who tagged their facebook in the post in the sidebar XD

solid raptor
merry karma
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Yep though can see test ones from the 8th - can't view without the app either...

knotty flint
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Yes it forces you to use the app, you cannot even use a browser for it

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Not even Chrome or Opera on your phone. It's ridiculously funny just how badly they implemented it

opal wagon
merry karma
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Nah it';s deliberate, requires using the app and all that entails

knotty flint
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At least with YT you can access it in all other platforms

shut pine
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did I miss WAN show?

knotty flint
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Existing is better than non-existing, even if functionality is questionable

peak coral
merry karma
knotty flint
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I'd rather have a slow car over walk 100KM

shut pine
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oh, didn't know thhy did a FB live stream

knotty flint
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They have them on their events

shut pine
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whats the event?

knotty flint
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Give me a second

halcyon hollow
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where is the wan show tonight?

knotty flint
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On FB mobile you can see the events like this, planning to do the audio room

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Once you try to access it, it forces you to download the app otherwise yo ucannot tune in.

merry karma
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is there one now?

shut pine
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oh, I deleted FB years ago. guess I'll skip it

knotty flint
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Funyn thing is look at hte amount of likes

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And compare it to the normal 1.5-5K likes the page posts gets

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They're hosting for a dozen only lol

opal wagon
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same with the oculus

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like why do I need a facebook account to use a vr headset

merry karma
shut pine
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I just checked all their other socials to work out why WAN was so late, no mention of anything. didn't realise they did anything on FB tbh

knotty flint
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Oddly enough, no there is no audio roo mcurrently or any event

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The last one was the x64 i SS'd

merry karma
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it was the case previously at least twice recently, not sure if and when they do them now

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still over an hour later than usual

neat oyster
halcyon hollow
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is there just not a wan show tonight?

knotty flint
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They're always late

halcyon hollow
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its been like 2 1/2 hours

knotty flint
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Unless Linus is doing a private podcast on FB that is not announced yet, you just gotta wait till they (might) go live

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Speaking of the devil

merry karma
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ooh floatplane ping

knotty flint
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Streaming rn

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On twitch and floatplane

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They're gonna take 10 20 40 minutes soon™️ though since they're gonna do the sponsor spots n such

merry karma
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perhaps not...

bronze barn
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👊 stop 👊 starting 👊 after👊 6pm pst👊 👊 👊

knotty flint
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Also I thought this was a tech show, not a movie trailer live reaction

merry karma
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annd gone (calling it)

knotty flint
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It alraedy is

merry karma
knotty flint
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Is this going to be the new floppy bird in an iPhone on eBay

merry karma
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with ppl just selling the normal pink ones yep

opal wagon
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I remember playing an arcade machine or something with it where it was on a big screen

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Bet that's worth a small fortune nowadays

nimble kettle
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Did they just not broadcast to YouTube tonight?

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Nevermind. Today's Thursday. I'm a certified idiot.

solid raptor
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Working from home can really mess with your perception of day of the week I thought wednesday was tuesday

halcyon hollow
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late again

nimble kettle
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I agree, Roca. Working from home and just being up late in general has messed with my perception of time itself. Since I don't have to travel, I can stay up late and play games. Then it's morning and I haven't slept. Lol

Labor day really messed with me. I had my time perception back til that gave me a day off and then I thought Friday was Thursday. It gets bad sometimes. Lol

nimble kettle
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Now taking bets on how late they will be. Winner gets bragging rights for a week.

halcyon hollow
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starts in 30 min is my guess

merry karma
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20 minutes?

quiet quartz
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10 minutes?

somber quiver
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5 minute?

merry karma
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gets more hopeful KEKW

solid raptor
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Running real late today

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Realized the time and figure I might of missed the start but nope still nothing dukFeesh

nimble kettle
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Imma go with 10pm eastern

frosty tendon
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maybe even 11pm EDT lol

solid raptor
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Clearly this is a consequence of all those late night Linus game streams

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o Twitch Title update, so Soon

frosty tendon
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oo yup

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probs clickbait about how the ipad mini is basically a iphone but only costs abt half as much

solid raptor
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They have said that in at least 2 videos this week XD

nimble kettle
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Does it look as ridiculous to hold an iPad mini up to your face rather than a large iPhone? Lol

solid raptor
knotty flint
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It's on now.

halcyon hollow
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yep

nimble kettle
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Do we count it before or after they go live on YT? Bc it's on twitch now

halcyon hollow
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before

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so I was the closet

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Pog

nimble kettle
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I belive meowwww guessed without going over. @somber quiver now has bragging rights. Lol

halcyon hollow
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....

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I did't go over too....

nimble kettle
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Oh you're right

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Didn't see that message.

Like I said before, I'm a certified idiot. XD

solid raptor
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hmm looking at my time stamps seems like hockey went over by maybe 1 min , started 7 mins ago so that would of be 35 and i see hokey guess of 30 mins at 06 XD

raw zephyr
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I hope Linus talks about LGs rival “The Wall” TV

nimble kettle
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Again, do we count twitch or live in YT as officially live?

solid raptor
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I count twitch but only cause I only care about YT if I'm watching late XD

halcyon hollow
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I got it right you nerds. hehe

knotty flint
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The only time I'll sign for Floatplane is when OnlyPlanes is a thing

solid raptor
halcyon hollow
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I-

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Bruh I have yet to watch shit about the 13 or or Ipad mini

solid raptor
pliant apex
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Why aren't they on yt?

solid raptor
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They should be now

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its just preshow of them shooting the s before startingg

raw zephyr
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LG Wall > Samsung Wall

halcyon hollow
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They are on Yt now

solemn zenith
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what's the floatplane link, i can't see it?

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oh nevermind it's back

knotty flint
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Twitch is usually 20 seconds ahead

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Not sure about FP

halcyon hollow
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I jUsT gOt OfF a PlAnE

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iTs NoT mY fALt

merry karma
knotty flint
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That Colton call made me remember the public roast of LS

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Will need to watch that again after the show lol

rapid rain
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8xx yea

normal pike
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https://onyxboox.com/boox_nova3color

Part of the reason so many people attack ereader tech imo is they haven't seen how far it has come and that many people such as myself have medical reasons not to use oled or led/lcd at night such as sleep disorders or eye strain. I think for people such as myself, we're more than willing to pay a premium for ereaders because the alternative is impacts on our health long term which is far more impactful than the price premium;

ONYX BOOX NOVA 3 Color E Reader :: ONYX BOOX electronic books
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BTW not promoting this specific color eink reader. all of them atm are still new and have different things that they excel at. in my case i chose this one so i could use android apps on it because i read most of my manga on the shounen jump app and i primarily read manga on it;

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definitely would love to see a review of all the major options for readers and see a video helping people decide what device is well suited for each of their use cases;

solid raptor
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all OLED life, burn in to scary for my normal use, maybe in another 5 years caltanYAH

pine hornet
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What I don't get is Linus knows about burn in, so why would he use it in a way that causes it?

merry karma
solid raptor
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1.7Mil tv dukFeesh I'l take like 10 of those LG signature R TVs that just rolls up into a box

glossy urchin
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I've had to install 98" tvs and I can't imagine installing one of those beefy lads

solid raptor
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go figure power hungry and very hefty

knotty flint
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Pros: TV can be used as a realistic heater.
Cons: 1.7M fireplace

solid raptor
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another Con, need to rewire your house KEKW

glossy urchin
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dewire*

knotty flint
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*Rewall

glossy urchin
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You're not allowed any electric besides the wall

knotty flint
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Imagine the costs of milling and drilling into the wall without affecting supports just to make the TV flush with the wall like they did in the office

solid raptor
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Its oled so you run it at less when you want everything else. movie night, turn everything off in the house. Maybe hook up your fridge to that one $1k Jackery thing they have done videos with XD

knotty flint
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That sounds like a video based on"Sub-Zero Home Theater Cinema TV Cooling" linusKappa

merry karma
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Because a 4kW tv dieing may make a mess?

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Make a 1.8million house - it's a wall with a sofa and roof, with its own substation for the TV

solid raptor
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Put it on Air BNB 😄

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make the sofa those ones with pull out beds dukLUL

knotty flint
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Am I the only one who realized that the LG is a "budget" option of having a seamless floor on top of industrial glass floor so you can change the color, lightning and theme to your mood?

solid raptor
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Hey look at that talking about making a 1 room theater BNB XD

knotty flint
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Some malls in here use that for audible reaction to footsteps on entrances and some floors but all of them are seamed, having such a floor is a huge feat.

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Wonder if one could submit a graphic or design that they created and can get royalty from LTTstore salesthonk

uneven veldt
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We have in house designers

knotty flint
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Fair enough, will keep them to myself for the near future

keen bloom
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Pc froze right here

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Not surprised since I'm running windows 11, first crash within like a few weeks tho

edgy solstice
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that's because Windows 11 is 🔥

normal pike
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Wait people actually are using 11 and they aren't microsoft employees?;

edgy solstice
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some people like to live dangerously

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and honestly, if it's not your daily driver, like are you really going to know it?

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I wouldn't put it on my work computer, but would I setup a 2nd computer and use that as mucha s I can... oh yah

knotty flint
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🤔

wind fjord
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How much too late was this week's wan

edgy solstice
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every body hurts some timmmme

knotty flint
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114 minutes ago which is 1 hour 54 minutes, currently it's 3:39 AM for me at GMT so you do your math for CST and such.

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It'd be 2:33 AM GMT, not sure how Canada/US timezone works so

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Nvm did the math, in Surrey it'd be 6:33 PM so around 2 hours and 3 minutes late if following the 16:30 PT.

keen bloom
nimble kettle
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Wan show is private now? What did he leak this time? Lol

ember bronze
solid raptor
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I see they doing Diablo tonight dukPog

edgy solstice
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show ideas, the state of RGB (the different standards , how to tell them apart, what works with each others, extra)

opal wagon
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And a portion of the money earned from that release goes to whoever wins

merry karma
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Yes but they probably arent allowed to use a dickbutt drawing for copyright? linuth

proven cairn
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How long do the wan-show after-show's typically last?

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@merry karma

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@opal wagon

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@edgy solstice

nova gate
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theres usually not an aftershow, when the show ends the twitch stream ends too. Pre-show is more often a thing that can range anywhere from a few minutes to 30 minutes depending on if they get chatting about stuff.

edgy solstice
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do they even edit them, or is it just the same as what's posted on youtube?

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like if there no editing, the video on youtube should be a good indicator

eager junco
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I think the youtube videos are usually the youtube stream recording, and floatplane videos are usually the most complete version of the wan show iirc

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but usually, it's all the same

solid raptor
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Yeah, Twitch they turned off vods due to beat saber. And youtube starts when they actually start the show.

knotty flint
edgy solstice
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it's easy to say that, harder to prove.

knotty flint
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Not really, you can easily ask for WIPs and make sure to have inspiration/source of the ideas too

zinc jackal
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I know Linus said the model of his new headphones in the latest WAN Show, but I can't seem to find out where he said it. Anyone know the time stamp/model?

zinc jackal
edgy solstice
torn atlas
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Isn’t the floatplane version of the wan show the unedited one? Why does it take longer to show up there than the YouTube one? I am kinda confused

merry karma
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Remember PUBG until 7am european time, but that was mainly Luke

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monkaNDA donotdrop T W I T C H T O S superHammer

potent finch
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lol, 'Kindle is 250$, i'd happily spend another 250$ and get an iPad' where tf is Linus where you can get a 500$ iPad? maybe used? from some crazy person that dropped it down a flight of stairs?

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i'm corrected, you can get a Wifi+64 gb ipad mini for 499$, but a 64 gb iPad is going to be a bad time

keen bloom
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Watching this Ultimate PC Repair challenge. The twitch chat really needs to be subscriber only. It scrolls so fast it's completely pointless.

whole spruce
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agreed

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treadmil ass chat

upbeat sable
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isn't it like that for live chat all the time?

keen bloom
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too fast to read? im sure. once a channel gets large enough, it's best to switch it to sub only, otherwise it's just a fast scroll of nonsense.

solid raptor
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Yeah pretty much anything large you need to at least enable slow chat

potent finch
knotty flint
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Considering how fast the chat goes during superchats, I doubt having members/subs only would slow it down at all. If anything, people would sub just for the attempt to troll Linus (like they did on WAN show @ LTX)

livid pulsar
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Is WAN streaming tonight?

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Or did I get the night mixed up again? I swear Friday's but usually listening while at work on weekends

blissful hound
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theyre usually this late

serene arrow
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I hate being an on time person trying to watch this live. I always get side tracked and end up watch during the week

sleek kayak
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I wonder what was up with tonight's abrupt ending. That was out of nowhere

ionic reef
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Same. I would like to know

warm helm
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Ending was weird. Maybe Linus forgot he had to do something, so maybe he got a text from his wife or something reminding him.

ionic reef
solid raptor
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I assume he had plans in normal life. Hence the eating during wan show and sudden end.

drifting creek
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Linus gets money without trying

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tight crescent
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just watched the wan show. Loser should get a clippy or BonziBuddy tatoo.

tepid dock
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... guns are what's gonna save us from the apocalypse? Sure

grave rain
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the wan wan show

ionic trout
restive bronze
# ionic trout Hey all! I'm still interested in making this happen

Hey tatsu, the best place to put video ideas is in the forum here: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1322697-thread-for-linus-tech-tips-video-suggestions/

Writers check fairly regularly so they may see it and reach out if interested. If you want Linus himself to see it, it's pretty much a random chance he may respond on Twitter or during WAN lol
*though don't spam either or I'm sure he won't want to check it out lol

Linus Tech Tips
Thread for Linus Tech Tips Video Suggestions

Hit us with your best Linus Tech Tips video suggestions! This is to replace our old What should we review next thread. Linus or one of the writers will read these suggestions, but they may not reply to you in this thread directly. Linus Tech Tips https://www.youtube.com/LinusTechTips

barren adder
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would love to see this mentioned on wan show today

raw whale
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Hey all... I'm browsing my floatplane and realize that Live tab is no longer available... is it new? so, are we no longer able to watch wanshow live on Floatplane?

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knotty flint
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Should check it again, they're live.

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I jinxed it lol

raw whale
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oh, it only shown when there's actually livestream this time. noted. thanks

plush cradle
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MX Linux is my favorite Linux distro rn

drowsy comet
drowsy comet
plush cradle
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MX Linux is Debian-based

drowsy comet
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@plush cradle I know

plush cradle
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k

drowsy comet
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The thing about gentoo is you choose if you want it to be stable or not if your using the stable version of gentoo its just about as stable as debian but if your on testing its like arch

opal wagon
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gentoo isnt for beginners

round bramble
drowsy comet
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my example was you could have it like debian where its stable and have it like arch where its not

round bramble
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oh sorry must have misread what you said, i thought that's what you implied

drowsy comet
round bramble
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the one thing i liked about gentoo, at least back when i used it, was the documentation

drowsy comet
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@round bramble Yeah tbh its better then arch its more straight forward and user friendly

round bramble
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i genuinely can't remember why i went from gentoo to arch

drowsy comet
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@round bramble The main reason why most people do that is because its very hard to mantian if the system breaks it would take longer to fix it then just reinstall the entire os

round bramble
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for some reason gentoo SEEMINGLY has this aura of "complicated wall of text + dependency hell" thing

drowsy comet
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@round bramble Oh fuck dependcy hell

round bramble
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which, i mean, that's basically as true for any OS where you compile packages

drowsy comet
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It's not gentoo's fault and I understand why they did it that way but it is fucking annoying to deal with depencies in gentoo

round bramble
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is it any worse than other OS's where you can compile things?

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arch, BSD...

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though maybe the thing with gentoo is you CAN'T go binary if you wanted? i can't remember anymore, is gentoo source ONLY basically? (without counting custom ebuild servers or whatever)

steady stone
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im lazy

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AUR easier

drowsy comet
# round bramble though maybe the thing with gentoo is you CAN'T go binary if you wanted? i can't...

The thing is the reason why the package manager is so good on gentoo is not simply just because you compile shit from source that is way to high-level of a explination its how it manages those packages hense the name package manger the flags on gentoo makes it so much more convient then going into the files of software and shit its just a more desktop orianted source based distro compared to other stuff its meant to be simple to use but not let that simplicity hurt the freedom of the user gentoo is not trying to be hard or anything it just has to because thats the kind of distro it is a distro for enthusisasts and I hate when it is compared to arch arch is not good because its more flexible then other systems its good cause its easier to configure

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and people intrepet that as a personal attack agianst people who use arch its not its litterly the arch philocphy just being easy to customize but also being easy to use

round bramble
drowsy comet
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and yeah thats the reason its good not just because it compiles stuff from the source code

round bramble
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oh yea, ofc

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that's what i mean, i feel like gentoo has this reputation of being this crazy hard distro

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which is odd to me

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anyway now i'm on thinkbsd and loving it

drowsy comet
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oh yeah I love freebsd also used it for a while

round bramble
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OMG are we gonna make Linus use gentoo?

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please say that's what's gonna happen

round bramble
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also, where straw poll?

opal wagon
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that was during the wan show bud

round ermine
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What Distro of Linux are Linus and Luke going to use?

opal wagon
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we dont know yet
But probably Pop OS or Ubuntu, that seemed like what they were leaning towards

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and id have to agree with that choice, those are some of the best distros for new users

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ive heard linux mint and maybe manjaro (but that last one could be a touch more advanced) are good options too for newbies, but i havent tried them

round ermine
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Not steamOS?

round bramble
round bramble
opal wagon
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by luke

opal wagon
round bramble
round bramble
hardy harbor
round bramble
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how is pop os vis a vis poeterring crap type stuff

opal wagon
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features which are present for free on other distros mind you

hardy harbor
round bramble
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they...what? on a linux distro? that's new

hardy harbor
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though you're right, I should see what that paid version offers

round bramble
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unless its like red hat where it's pretty much just support stuff (iirc)

hardy harbor
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hm yeah the features that are paid are not ones I happen to need. Though yeah I would use Pop OS if I start feeling dissatisfied with Zorin

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well actually I lied, I'll probably just go back to Ubuntu

Hm actually I don't like snap so much so probably will use Pop

opal wagon
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you just get some wallpapers and additional layouts

round bramble
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what exactly is "professional grade creative suite of apps"?

opal wagon
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lmao

hardy harbor
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yeah, not apps I would need anyways

opal wagon
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the screenshots actually show that they are using gimp and kdenlive

hardy harbor
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yeah maybe they just save you a step of installing?

opal wagon
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so youre paying for stuff that was already free KEKW

opal wagon
round bramble
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you're paying for isntllation support IMO that's what it always ends up being. which is pretty huge IMO

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also, wait people DON'T pronounce QEMU as "Kh (as in lochness)-emu"?

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whatever it is its pretty stupid
speaking of which... BAHAHA http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/ is a real thing somehow (Hannah Montana Linux). i'm rewatching the bits of wan show i didn't catch and someone mentioned it on chat ithought it was a joke

opal wagon
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ye it does exist

round bramble
undone ravine
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I was really hurt and sad to hear Linus outright dismiss Fedora Linux for gaming

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as one of the developers of Fedora Linux that focuses on the desktop and gaming, I was really surprised to see him say that he wouldn't even consider Fedora Linux

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some of the main folks that even do game development and porting of games to Linux use Fedora Linux (Ethan Lee [flibitijibibo], Ryan Gordon [icculus], etc.)

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In the past few years, myself and other developers of Fedora Linux have been working on improving the desktop on multiple dimensions: responsiveness, power/thermal management, graphics performance, audio performance, and ease of use.

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meh, okay no mentioning people

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Ah well, apparently there's a link limit and mention restriction here, so I'll just say instead that we did a lot in Fedora Linux 33 and Fedora Linux 34 to improve the quality of the desktop and Fedora Linux 35 (releasing at the end of the month, beta out now) has a bit more coming too. I'm sure Anthony has been following the stuff going on in Fedora and can point to the Fedora Changes centered around desktop and gaming done recently, since it comes up in the Linux news quite a lot.

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well, I've said my piece... 😦

willow cedar
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ive been gaming on debian with xfce for over 10 years

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just watched the last wan show. mase me wanna put in some personal experience

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just recently reinstalled my os. this time i ent with ubuntu with gnome. setting up graphics drivers for nvidia was super simple. steam installs and runs good. even steam vr works. with lutris i can play many non steam games.

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was hoping they added a ltt linux channel 😆

idle notch
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I sure hope he realizes his mistake lol

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Especially since he mentioned Gentoo. That would be an interesting first video though

round bramble
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i'm still getting over the shock of "linus is a linux newbie"

kindred scaffold
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Where is the poll for what distro linus

knotty flint
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Oh right, linksa ren't allowed to be posted

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Its in strawpoll , id is z57pyrzxw

kindred scaffold
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How do I set that up on my android phone

knotty flint
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You can just add that after the url's slash

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Although I can'tsay much as they could ban people for evading filters so

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Want me to DM you the link instead?

kindred scaffold
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Shure as I want my vote to be counted

knotty flint
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Sent

kindred scaffold
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Thank you if mods get involved sqy that I asked for the link

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I am surprised about what's being done now we the followers chose a distro for linus

undone ravine
remote zenith
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I think his perception comes from the name. Linus and Linux.

knotty flint
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Imho they should've done Linus vs Anthony for the Linux challenge for a chance of redemption, then again that would be one-sided just like that challenge.

twin fox
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here's an ordered top 5 list of what I personally would recommend to Linus:
1. pop_os Pop!_OS
2. kubuntu Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE)
3. opensuse openSUSE Tumbleweed
4. fedora Fedora
5. mint Linux Mint

ionic trout
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the moderator claims I was advertising?

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that's what started me on this epic quest

undone ravine
knotty flint
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They're from ubuntu hideout server

twin fox
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yeah, I too was kinda weirded out when I saw Arch and Gentoo there but they left out Fedora

undone ravine
knotty flint
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Since the last year and 8 months, yes

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Which reminds me, I forgot that I had Ubuntu on my PS3, need to look if it still runs as slowly as I remember with that amazing 256 MB ram

tulip glacier
twin fox
knotty flint
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It did work as a little home theater for a bit so it was at least able to run videos

twin fox
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the SPEs made PS3 actually a quite powerful little machine when programmed properly

tulip glacier
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What distro do u guys figure linus and luke will end up on? What would u use, if u were in the same position.

knotty flint
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He thought Fedora wasn't good until rectified, so Red hat /s

twin fox
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I personally would (and do) use openSUSE Tumbleweed

tulip glacier
tulip glacier
twin fox
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I'm more excited than ever tbh, Linus goes Linux, Valve makes Linux hardware which seems to not suck this time, and Linux is probably starting to get mainstream

tulip glacier
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Sucks that LMG is stuck in the adobe pipeline. Cause pop os and davinci resolve man on man so great

twin fox
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as far as I'm aware, I have zero Windows 10 installs anywhere

tulip glacier
twin fox
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but network mounting your home directory so all your files and configs sync across your PCs, absolute bliss

tulip glacier
twin fox
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or well, I'm switching to Nextcloud sync so I get a little better performance but still, not something easily doable on Windows

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and then, SSH'ing into your computer is really useful as well

tulip glacier
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I guess i could google it, but what do u use it for

twin fox
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it's a bit like Google Drive, but self-hosted

tulip glacier
twin fox
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web service

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though someone has probably made a KIO thingy for it, I need to take a look

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actually no, I don't think I need that

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I run it on FreeBSD with Nginx, MySQL and PHP

tulip glacier
# twin fox web service

Thats really useful! I gotta check it out for lighter stuff. I need a classic nas mount for the video stuff tho. That is a lot of places!!!

twin fox
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I use it mostly for backup, though I do have a script which generates my website based on Markdown files in a directory in my Nextcloud account

tulip glacier
round bramble
remote zenith
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i bet there are a tone of people that make that connection

round bramble
twin fox
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yeah it's a great server OS

round bramble
twin fox
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yeah, my website is made completely from scratch by me

round bramble
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oh sweet

twin fox
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the link is in my about me

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it's still WIP

round bramble
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that is really nice actually

twin fox
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yeah, I made the stylesheet as well and everything is as simple as possible to save bandwidth

round bramble
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so you did all the stylesheet, html everyrthing?

twin fox
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yeah

round bramble
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nice, i thought about that but thought it'd be much too much work

twin fox
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it took a few afternoons to get it perfected

round bramble
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but i love the idae, websites these days are way too complex

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lol i'd have to learn css first

twin fox
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yeah, "this website requires JavaScript" is one of the most annoying things about modern web

round bramble
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my workplace has this website that is entirely dynamic

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like there are literally NO LINKS

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so 'f' in vimperator for example, useless

twin fox
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bruh

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I mostly looked at W3Schools for ideas, feel free to steal the stylesheet and the basic layout off my website if you want :)

round bramble
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i basically want to do a very basic 'profile' website so nothing too complex

twin fox
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if it's a single webpage then that's actually really simple

round bramble
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pretty much yea

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with maybe some simple graphics and links to anchors on the side

twin fox
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I haven't tried stuff like that myself

round bramble
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honestly i wish i cud just convert latex to html or smthg

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like it's all there in latex

twin fox
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my script runs my Markdown documents through a tool called "markdown", then adds the other stuff to build it into the HTML document you see when visiting my website

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it also scans for other documents in the same directory, it also has a format so it can link to other websites

round bramble
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ooh nice

twin fox
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cron runs a script which runs the script for all eligible documents every hour

round bramble
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nice

wheat crescent
#

I just finish watch the podcast and noticed that Dune released a statement today A personal message from our CEO


Greetings everyone,

Every backer of the campaign has shown their support and trust in Dune by backing and purchasing the Dune Pro. I am truly grateful for your support, yet at the same time, disappointed that I have not yet delivered to you. I take full responsibility for this and I am deeply sorry to everyone.

As certain expectations have not been met, you may have felt frustrated, anxious and understandably pessimistic about Dune. This is especially saddening as Dune was founded on the promise of giving you the “Power to Choose”. You chose us and so far, we have fallen short on delivering this promise to you.

There could not have been a worse time to embark on this journey. The COVID-19 pandemic has presented unforeseen challenges to everyone, both personally and economically. As I look back during this period, there are times I should have done better. From today, we will be implementing immediate corrective steps to regain your confidence in our team. This is part of a comprehensive plan to greatly improve our communication with you by listening more to our backers who brought our project to life.

 

I am confident, as a result of these actions, Dune will emerge as a company our backers can trust. I have committed myself to provide more frequent and reliable updates on our progress. 

 

You deserve better, a lot better, from our team and from me. Nothing is more important than your trust. Our next Indiegogo update will include information regarding shipping dates. This will be the first step to rebuild your trust and all of us at Dune hope you will give us an opportunity to do so. ```
twin fox
#

it kinda has an "apologies for getting caught" feel to it

undone ravine
#

If you want something similar to legacy CentOS where you just want "free RHEL", you could use actual RHEL for free (up to 16 instances) or go with AlmaLinux.

undone ravine
willow cedar
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so D2R plays verry well on linux

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better than my my windowsbox

twin fox
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yeah, some games work beautifully on Linux

willow cedar
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i used ubuntu and lutris

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beautiful linux

twin fox
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not a bad choice that

willow cedar
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true

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what i so first is install all the wine 64\

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lutris does half the ....

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well instalation...

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if ya can use sudo apt update or/and update

potent finch
#

can't wait to decide what Linux/Luke pick for Linux versions

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I might have to start using one of their choices, my hope is that Luke goes some Arch distro

twin fox
potent finch
twin fox
potent finch
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if they both just pick a Ubuntu variant i'm going to cry

twin fox
potent finch
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oh lol

twin fox
potent finch
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or wait, are you running Tumbleweed now?

twin fox
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yeah

potent finch
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do you dabble in Proton/Lutris/Steam at all? if so, what's the story like on Tumbleweed

twin fox
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Steam + Proton works better than on Ubuntu

potent finch
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sweet

twin fox
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I haven't got around to try Lutris yet, haven't needed to try it

potent finch
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i'm guessing you mainly run AMD graphics?

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if not, what's the Nvidia driver sitch like

twin fox
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that's what I'm planning to get next because f*** Nvidia

potent finch
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welp, if AMD could stock cards XD

twin fox
potent finch
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cool

twin fox
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but you do have to install codecs yourself thanks to the patent owners

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but I think that's done by sudo zypper in opi && opi codecs

potent finch
#

dealing with that myself

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I added a Blu-ray drive a month back, got VLC working, and then it reverted to not reading BLu-rays

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that's technically an encryption issue, but that's part of a codec

twin fox
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but once you get the Nvidia drivers and the codecs, for me it's all been smooth sailing after that

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btw I like how this chat has basically turned into a Linux discussion

potent finch
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I don't know where else this would go tbh, i'd suggest they add a linux channel, but there's no suggestion channel either

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also it's pursuant to the topic of the WAN show

twin fox
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yeah, they really should create a Linux channel

willow cedar
#

diablo 2 r runs flawless on lutris

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had a few crashes installing it at first. but its on my old amd with a gtx970.

twin fox
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I tried running GTA V, on one Proton version (can't remember which) it went absolutely mad

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my car would "catch wind" and crush itself and start flying

willow cedar
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Lol

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Haven't tried gta v yet.

heavy wigeon
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GTA V used to run perfectly for me up until I switched to the RX 6800 XT. It's still alright, just some odd shadow (I think?) issues.
Arch btw

twin fox
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there was an Nvidia driver update which broke Far Cry 5 so that the ground wouldn't render properly

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there were also some other problems lighting wise

ionic trout
willow cedar
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@ionic trout nice ill check it out later

dim oriole
twin fox
willow cedar
#

i dual booted debian/ubuntu and windows for over 10 years on dated hardware. steam games played better in ubuntu than windows. years ago i stumbled upon a dev wine for 64bit. took just a minute to install

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think having both 32 and 64bit wine installed helped a bunch

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anyone get a htc vive cosmos elit working in linux?

twin fox
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aight, Linus seems to have installed Pop!_OS

serene arrow
#

was reading this article by the new york times that seems to imply that PIA VPN might be compromised / not as secure as it used to be, i was wondering if there were any thoughts on this since they appear to be a regular sponsor. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/06/technology/personaltech/are-vpns-worth-it.html

The New York Times
By Brian X. Chen
It’s Time to Stop Paying for a VPN

Many virtual private network services that were meant to protect your web browsing can no longer be trusted. Here are other ways.

weak oracle
#

linus had a discussion not too long ago on the wan show about how to approach him as an employer

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"treat me as a human being" or "by the book and expect nothing else back" or some such

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anyone have a link to the rant?

serene arrow
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I don't think that really applies here unless i'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say

weak oracle
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it doesn't apply to anything i was just looking for a clip of linus ranting to illustrate my point in a discussion elsewhere

ionic trout
twin fox
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well....he managed to ""brick"" the installation in minutes (well the desktop wouldn't load, probably a driver issue)

ionic trout
#

jesus

twin fox
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people were complaining in the comments how he didn't use an Arch based distro, they really wanna ruin this don't they

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(it's a YouTube story)

queen nebula
#

Arch based distro is the best linusSmirk

twin fox
#

not for a beginner

keen bloom
potent finch
#

Has Luke announced?

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He might be the shining Arch savior

keen bloom
#

arch is a decent, rolling desktop distro but it isn't something you will take a beginner to

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it is something you might want to use after being more familiar, after all it is popular for a reason

potent finch
#

I guess I don't understand what you mean by 'manual intervention'

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do you really think Linus isn't going to blow up Anthony on Teams whenever he has a question?

keen bloom
# potent finch I guess I don't understand what you mean by 'manual intervention'

manual intervention is when, by mistake, there is a problem. Like an upgrade will not go forward unless you edit this config, or pass this option to pacman. They are easy as one liners copy paste most of the time, but you need to keep an eye on them. This mistake happens sometimes as humans aren't perfect and it's rolling release while keeping itself bleeding edge package versions.

potent finch
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lol IG

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though i'd argue those still exist under Debian/Ubuntu, as we've seen

keen bloom
potent finch
#

the real question is whether Luke and Linus are going to hash out running Nvidia drivers Pop OS/ Ubuntu or whether they're going to suddenly announce a new AMD (TM) branded video and both be rocking 6900 XTs

keen bloom
potent finch
#

I forget, have they found an excuse to give Luke a free 30 series card?

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he's going to be having a fun time if he's rocking a 980 Ti or something

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then again i'd have infinite respect if Luka just booted up Ubuntu LTS 180.4.5 and went nope, not palying your game this works and i'm going to run it

twin fox
warm helm
#

Is wan show 5 or 5:30? The channel description says 5 but I remember from last week I remember 5:30 for some reason.

vapid mauve
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They can be late up too 3 hours

knotty flint
#

Wait, is that an in-person WAN show set?!

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Last in-person wan show as on December 14 2019

nimble kettle
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Are they on right now? I didn't get a notif

knotty flint
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Yes, on floatplane and twitch

nimble kettle
#

Ah ok

knotty flint
#

YT streams later when they'r edone from placing the ad spots

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That was 664 days ago

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If only they can be late as far as 2 days

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"This is too HD, you can see every hair that is on my hair" Linus Sebastian 2k21

merry karma
#

well at least it might be harder for them to late properly now (except setting up for this lol)

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ah that was good

knotty flint
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Ye sorry was croppin lol

sleek kayak
#

is there no wan show tonight?

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Im confused to whats happening

knotty flint
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On-set WAN show rn, live

sleek kayak
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oh okay

knotty flint
#

Enjoy

raw whale
#

I fucking hate that floatplane hide live button until there's actually some livestream. I didn't get any notification either. smh....

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I had to keep refreshing

knotty flint
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They're live now after the pre-show

merry karma
#

haha can't turn the luke laugh down (much) now

merry karma
#

They should do it that they have to go back to Windows 11 xD

merry karma
#

KDE 😉

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he is just flaming github at this point lol

knotty flint
#

Just realized they're still using the thumbnail from four WAN shows ago

merry karma
#

oo

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ps

twilit finch
#

?? What is T9 dailing??

twilit finch
narrow zephyr
#

If you're trying to call your Dad, you can press 323 to bring up Dad

twilit finch
twilit finch
knotty flint
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It's basically the old phone (and home lines) where you can add "contacts" aka favorites

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It used to be the rage in phones 2002-2010 until the touch screen overcame the market.

twilit finch
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It literally brings up my dad's contact

knotty flint
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Especially in HTC phones

twilit finch
#

That's sick

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I never even knew that feature existed 😮

merry karma
twilit finch
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Actually, not gonna lie, I actually hate how Github doesn't let you download files individually as raw

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im like

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"Where the heck is the download button???"

knotty flint
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tldr is linus downloaded github for script, gets html instead of script, people mock him when he raises the point of having a SAVE AS button.

merry karma
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Yeah response from earlier was "need download button"

twilit finch
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Ah

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Yeah, Github needs a download as button

narrow zephyr
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I don't think github is really meant as a dropbox-like service, it's to distribute source code and usually you don't download just part of a projects source

knotty flint
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It's meant to be more of a open source code depository rather than a cloud based code sharing system

twilit finch
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True

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But they should at least have an option somewhere tho

knotty flint
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Eh, if you know Github you wouldn't fall under the average PC user, since if you end up there you're basically dedicating your time for development, coding & assigning projects.

twilit finch
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Yeah

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Lmao Mom is 666

knotty flint
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Not to mention Linux is anything but an average Joe's PC operating system, I know those who have no clue how to search files or what CMD is.

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Also mom is 6-666-6

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But wouldnt work as speed dial

twilit finch
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Like, no shade on my dad

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But ~_~

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He needs to take a computer class lol

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I remember him coming to me, and asking "How do I know of the internet is connected??"

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Now to his defense, the software on the computer is from his company, and it is quite unintuitive, it doesn't use the stock stuff in Windows 10 that he's familar with

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_> And sometimes the software just straight up breaks

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Or just refuses to connect to his work's vpn service at all (And the instructions for it suck)

polar locust
twilit finch
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And if you don't know how to save it, you'll end up saving it as an HTML

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It just shows you the file in raw format

polar locust
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You right click on the Raw button and Save Link As.

merry karma
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Also if your a newbie that aint obvious

polar locust
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At that point is kinda on whoever made the script for not documenting it well enough.

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Like putting a download-jump link in the README.

merry karma
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yeah competent forums do

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also the releases tab kind of does that but I didn't realised they moved it? xD

polar locust
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The releases tab is also something you'd link to in the README.

twilit finch
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I've seen alot of repos not even include anything in the releases tab though

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And like, if you're new to the website it's not exactly very clear on where to download the file

polar atlas
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Jesus we talking tech or casting a LoL tournament, who designed the set?

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twilit finch
latent raven
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Hi I've heard Linus is already documenting his experience with Pop OS somewhere, may I know where to look for it?

narrow zephyr
narrow zephyr
twilit finch
narrow zephyr
polar locust
# latent raven Hi I've heard Linus is already documenting his experience with Pop OS somewhere,...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvk5tVMZQ_U

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twilit finch
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LOL TEAMVIEWER

merry karma
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also lol yeah can easily theme things to look like windows 7 lol

twilit finch
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Yeah

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Lmao

merry karma
twilit finch
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Lol

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I would love for there to be a Arch Linus distro LOL

rich peak
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But I do agree, the new set where they're looking more at each other than at the camera is a little wonk for a show that is primarily video-streamed and not primarily a podcast like it would be for Carpool Critics or whatever it's called now. Seems like a lot of the inspiration for this set was taken from the experience there, but I think it feels more awkward when they have to turn and look at the camera but their natural position is them looking off into the distance

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(Especially since every other WAN Show design ever was them looking directly at the camera naturally, but turning to engage in conversation with each other for asides, then turning back to the camera to continue the show)

languid cedar
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are any of you nerds about the production equipment used to make the wan show?

solid raptor
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o wow that was a real long stream

warm helm
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tl:dr GitHub needs a download button.

round bramble
round bramble
round bramble
zealous spire
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holy shit the new set looks soooooooo good

zealous spire
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whats up with the compression in the background? (I'm watching on youtube if that helps)

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void pelican
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I really wish it would come on floatplane faster, I can never watch it there the next day

coarse thorn
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When Linus was complaining about GitHub

weak oracle
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speaking of github

coarse thorn
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I made a solution 😛

weak oracle
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that linus rant was amazing

coarse thorn
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I just made a solution lol

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Never made a browser extension before

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Wasn't that hard

weak oracle
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i don't think github has to be measured by the same measure of user friendliness as linus wanted it to be, since it's a git repository first and a file sharing file second

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but then again i use it for a living so i'm biased

coarse thorn
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Check out the extension

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Adds a handy dl button

weak oracle
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i'll just read the source lmao

coarse thorn
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yeah go ahead, build it or whatever you need lol

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I just resorted to having the svg in a string and setting the innerhtml there because well, fucking hell creating html elements gets lengthy

weak oracle
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imma make a PR

coarse thorn
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go ahead

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I kinda threw it together and it is my first extension, I usually do more server-y stuff in my freetime

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I used some ES6 stuff but I just went classical JS for that, just in case that causes issues with older chrome or firefox installs

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I should add that image to the README

weak oracle
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that was what i was doing lmao

coarse thorn
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oh lmfao

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shit devs think alike

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maybe you're not shit

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idk

weak oracle
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ok - now its ready

coarse thorn
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yeah i merged it

weak oracle
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wew we're doing opensource in linus tech tips

coarse thorn
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Well it solves his issue, an issue I never noticed I had lol

weak oracle
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my go to was click raw and then cmd+s

coarse thorn
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now with my extension it's "click"

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It got moved to tests unfortunately

weak oracle
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Sorry, there is a problem

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coarse thorn
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oh

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yeah they moved it

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they dont know where to put it lol

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I but it in linux

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put*

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but they pushed it to tests

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:(

weak oracle
coarse thorn
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you're a dirty forker who only forks

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how dare you

coarse thorn
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I don't mean to spam but I don't want this getting lost

ionic trout
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so far, to me, I'm getting exactly what I wanted out of Jake's and Linus' journey. They have the right kind of open mindset if a little bit under the yoke of the sensationalism there's been around the linux crowd, but that'll sort itself out soon.

They're doing the right thing by hardlining going it alone and without anyone acting as their crutch. this will send a much more positive message as an end-result.

The bleeding edge hardware is going to cause them a tad more issues then your typical user but it's only ever a matter of how hard you google. they'll also figure that out quick.

we all did 😉

twilit finch
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I remember when I first switched to Linux on my main machine

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I used Ubuntu, since I actually used it before (had it on a Mac computer because MacOS on it started acting up), gave it a spin for about 2-3 months

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Then I discovered KDE Plasma, so I switched to Kubuntu, then KDE Neon

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Then I started finding myself not liking how Debian user packages worked, so I started searching for something that wasn't Debian based

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Found ArchLinux (Fedora sounds interesting but at the time I didn't consider it), saw vanilla ArchLinux was scary so I started looking for something that was based on it xD That's when I found Manjaro, so I gave that a spin and actually really liked the AUR repo

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Stayed on there for the longest, then switched to EndeavourOS for a bit then back to Manjaro (also started DE hopping during the time of using Manjaro, tried basically every DE except the tiling window managers and qutefish, found myself staying with KDE Plasma)

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And very recently, just switched back to EndeavourOS for a particular package that I didn't feel like compiling was available on the main ArchLinux repos (which Manjaro didn't have added). Also trying out XFCE because Im having this strange screen tearing and constant browser/system lock ups and crashes on my desktop

solid raptor
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I definitely have taken the approach with git before of going "I need this 1 short script file" and just copy the contents of the file and paste it into a file to save as a script.
Cause its faster then me figuring out how the hell else I'm supposed to get 1 file from a repository

ionic trout
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it's really easy to check if a script is nefarious

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does it contain an ip address?

solid raptor
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specially when you help make it dukLUL

ionic trout
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or a url? if yes check the url

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nah I mean for a layman

solid raptor
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yeah, have another discord I'm in where guy is a secuirty person and while showing an old woman how to do something, a phishing thing messaged her on facebook. so just went okay so this is why that is bad

twilit finch
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So far, XFCE actually works nicely than the last time I tried it

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Though I can't get scaling to work properly on my laptop 😦

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And my desktop still has the crashing issue, but it seems to be isolated on the browser and not the system

round bramble
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guys has linus and Luke ever done the Linux challenge b4?

twilit finch
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No as far as I know

twin fox
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Linus hasn't daily driven Linux before this

round bramble
twin fox
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yes, because Luke has

keen bloom
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I’m not sure if this point has been made earlier but I think that the problem with GitHub is not that it doesn’t have a download button but that GitHub is not the place to distribute stuff for end users. It is a git repository hosting service, it is designed to be used with git first and all the web based stuff is secondary (my opinion).

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Though I do agree that it would be much simpler if they just add a download button. Atleast for Gists.

summer glade
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Watching the recent WAN show now. Regarding why people buy non-rechargeable batteries I think marketing is a big part of it. I bought myself a battery charger and rechargeable batteries long ago. Just yesterday I bought a robot toy for my nephew requiring two AA-batteries. The toy store only sold non-rechargeable to go with it.

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There is also a small price and capacity difference, but being able to recharge is convenient imo. We also have good battery recycling systems (every store selling batteries has to accept old batteries for free).

coarse thorn
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I wrote an extension that adds a download button

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@keen bloom

twin fox
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yes, GitHub used to be basically an implementation of Git, but nowadays it's the homepage of many open-source projects, I feel like they should recognise the change and embrace it, making things more welcoming to the end users (just these small things, like a download button, maybe put Releases between the file tree and Readme instead of to the side)

keen bloom
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I agree but I still think that things like having to download scripts from GitHub makes Linux less end user friendly, Windows on the other hand does not even ship with a compiler by default

uneven veldt
steady sun
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just yes

keen bloom
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So I'm watching the WAN show and I don't think all of Linus's complaints are entirely fair. First of all, Linus' setup is not standard and quite technical and complicated. I completely agree that Linux should be more user-friendly for non-technical "normal users" like he said so himself, but the problems he's experiencing aren't really what 99% of other people would face.
Also, Github != Linux. Just to make it clear. But I agree that downloading things from Github could be made easier. As a developer myself, I always forget where I find "releases" so I always just end up searching for it on google.
Another criticism he spends a fair bit of time on is file extensions. I'm not exactly sure what he is downloading and how, but I'll take his word that github fcks up and he downloads an HTML file, with the file extension of .sh.

Windows would just look at the file extension, and just open it with GNU Bash which would immediately crash. Linux on the other hand would detect that it's HTML using it's MIME type and open it in your browser where it at least works. The problem here is that he is so used to file extensions that he can't wrap his head around the OS just checking the contents instead of only relying on the name.

Some of these issues aren't Linux being worse than Windows, but rather Linux being different.

Lastly, you should always know what scripts you run. The car-comparison is stupid. Does he just install all .exe applicaitons that claim to do X and Y without doing some research on what it is that he's downloading?

fossil fern
jovial bison
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He just means on YouTube. That's what the videos will be, they aren't out yet.

fossil fern
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OK, thanks @jovial bison, he made it sound like he had released some info already. Must have misunderstood.

jovial bison
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Not as far as I know.

ornate robin
ornate robin
# keen bloom So I'm watching the WAN show and I don't think all of Linus's complaints are ent...

The fact that his setup is weird is important. Everyone's setup is slightly different and while it might works out of a box "new comers" must be prepared that some gimmicks will not work on Linux or will require a bit of tinkering (same story other way, there are things that runs on Linux flawless but needs extra work on windows).

GitHub != Linux is true but how many Windows users needs to download something from GitHub to setup their PC's? And how many Linux users will need GitHub?

And basically same question for running some random scripts from the web. When setting up windows most people just need whatever apps and drivers came with system and couple more from well established developers or hardware manufacturers. With Linux you need to get help from community (which is great) and question is do you trust that community? Do you trust that .sh file that you're starting as root will do exactly what it says?

I made my move to Linux multiple times (mostly Ubuntu and other distros based on Ubuntu, but tried Fedora, Mandrake - yes I'm old, arch and many others) and it never stayed as my main OS for longer then a month. Mainly because of lack of compatibility with games (Linux don't have anything that more that I need and windows wouldn't have, so whenever I wanted to play games I ran windows and switching OS just to do other things was stupid). If SteamDeck will help with convincing developers to prepare their games for Linux it's going to be a great time. I can't wait how it's going to play out.

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Although I'm really enjoying the Linux content, I guess I don't really understand the premise. It seems by "normal" user, we're talking about someone who just wants to play games and do some general productivity stuff (and isn't particularly technical). These kinds of users should probably just stick to Windows. Linux shines at developer / sysadmin type workflows where users are comfortable with the command line. That's been my experience anyway. I love Linux, but I use it when I'm coding, or messing around with servers. I don't rely on it for gaming 🙂

ionic trout
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These kinds of users should probably just stick to Windows

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missconception

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Linux shines at developer / sysadmin type workflows where users are comfortable with the command line
out of date information

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I love Linux, but I use it when I'm coding, or messing around with servers. I don't rely on it for gaming 🙂
linux is already good for gaming.

And is full of untapped potential that's lying there waiting to be tapped into in order to make it impossible for windows gaming to catch up

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it's going to take some time

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it might even happen incredibly slowly

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but it is unstoppable now

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once wayland is finally production-ready we'll gain access to the overhead that's waiting to be exploited by vulkan

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add to that a native port and you've got a linux version of the experience for said game that's better than the windows one

torpid shale
keen bloom
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Ubuntu is very usable by default for most things if you just want something that works out of the box and are willing to accept that it is not Windows. Though as soon as you go off the beaten path, the rough edges appear.

coarse thorn
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Linux is great for gaming, it just isn't as mainstream as Windows or even Macos (although in recent times Linux > Mac for gaming as macOS Catalina killed all games that were 32bit, which seems to be most), but Proton is solid as fuck, and my only issues I've had was the proprietary NVidia Driver being dog shit at times, and anticheat and DRM, all of which are fixable and are not Linux's fault, at all. Most of the time I get much better performance in my games, despite me running my Linux install on a 5400RPM Sata 3 drive, load times are definitely worse but that's the drive, but once all is up and runnng, much better, everything

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I have yet to try the open source driver, so don't ask me how that runs

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Even with Proton

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It's surprising how much Windows, at least for me, kills performance

heavy wigeon
coarse thorn
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I’ve had to use scripts on Windows more, surprisingly

coarse thorn
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Usually relating to unethical removing of activate windows watermark but then i got a license key for $4

plush cradle
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so Linus mentioned on WAN Show that Louis Rossmann wanted a message spread about wanting to meet an EU regulator who was meeting Tim Cook (Apple CEO) in New York

Louis wasn't rejected by the EU's competition chief for a meeting about Right to Repair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW1VJKDu4LU

YouTube
Louis Rossmann
I WASN'T rejected after all! 😃

https://twitter.com/vestager/status/1446782652883816449

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-ceo-tim-cook-in-new-york-for-meeting-with-eus-competition-chief-margrethe-vestager.2314858/

https://youtu.be/0Ksq-dfeifI

https://youtu.be/CVCasJChpf4

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side note: wow Louis posts a lot of videos, and wow Louis was so excited in the original video (title: make this happen!) where he was trying to spread the ask for a meeting with her

plush cradle
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I was just re-listening to the WAN Show and I think the problem Linus was having with the .sh file not working as-expected is a permissions problem.
there's a way to do it on the commandline, but I always just (in whatever gui file manager) right-click the file and click properties, then look for permissions or a checkbox that says something about execute/executable; check the checkbox to make it executable

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Then the thing will execute when you try to open it, as-expected

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one thing that occassionally annoys me about Linux is that sometimes it seems to take file permissions a little too seriously, and I've had relatively minor issues with file permissions that I don't remember ever having on win7

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I don't remember ever noticing that file permissions were a thing when I was using win7 (which imo is the way it should be) unless I was trying to access stuff I wasn't supposed to have access to (teachers' stuff and other students' stuff on school computers, mostly)
Otherwise, I never had a problem using or accessing or modifying a file that I personally (as a person, not just the computer's user concept of whether I was the same user) made

serene arrow
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chmod +x filename fixes that. Or in the case of a one time run, you can just type "sh filename.sh"

plush cradle
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I think what happened was Linus ran into execute permission problems and didn't know he needed to make it executable, which why should he have to
I downloaded it, I should be able to execute it

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I always thought that sometimes linux was a tad too "secure" for its own good, impacting usability

serene arrow
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You can still run files by explicitly calling for them to run by prefacing with bash, sh, python ect

plush cradle
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I seem to remember a meme about unix, you give somebody a document and the person receiving the document is like I don't have permission to read this

serene arrow
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Linux needs to be secure though. It runs a good portion of the internet.

plush cradle
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I could totally see this being a small mark against it for everyday use by at least normies, if not the vast majority of situations that don't require the most security

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and I use Linux myself

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I quit Windows in 2017

serene arrow
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I don't use linux at home, but i've been working in the datacenter environment since 2012, and we're exclusively linux at both companies i worked for. So i'm just used to it at this point.

plush cradle
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Why should normal people have to know that execute permissions are a thing that they have to set
It should just work, but it doesn't, from the pov of the vast majority of people
especially if you downloaded it, why shouldn't you be able to execute it

plush cradle
serene arrow
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For normal people, i'd argue that viruses and malware would spread less easily if people couldn't just run what they downloaded

plush cradle
keen bloom
plush cradle
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Linux has conditioned me that every time there's a permissions problem on the commandline I just add sudo in front, or in a file manager if there's a permissions problem (other than executable) I just open folder as root/open in root instance of file manager
at some point, more security (without the regular users understanding or agreeing with it) just encourages more getting around the security by any means necessary, which is at least as bad security as if people could use the stuff how they expected in the first place

plush cradle
keen bloom
serene arrow
plush cradle
serene arrow
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mac os at least forces you to hold down a key to be able to run it, it's harder than just clicking yes. you have to be aware that you're not able to open it. Kind of the same logic as applying sudo, but not quite the same

serene arrow
plush cradle
serene arrow
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windows 7 is not windows 10 or windows 11 even.

plush cradle
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yes, I purposely never used a Windows after 7

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I don't know Windows after 7
I saw the writing on the wall and in 2017 finally switched to Linux so I didn't have to switch to a later Windows

serene arrow
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windows 7 is no longer getting regular security patches, and really shouldn't be used as a daily driver IMO.

plush cradle
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yes, I saw the writing on the wall and I wasn't gonna switch to Windows 8 or 10, and I knew 7 was gonna go the way of XP at some point, so I stopped using Windows

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XP SP3 and win7 were peak Windows

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(imo)

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XP for looks, 7 for not being terrible otherwise

serene arrow
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windows 10 is pretty solid, i'm worried about windows 11 a bit. stay away from 8 and 8.1

plush cradle
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various versions of 10 had some major problems

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Microsoft was messing up stuff left and right by the sounds of it

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probably because they laid off or fired the whole desktop testing division

serene arrow
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Windows 10 is the best of windows 7 and 8 tbh.

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I use windows as a desktop at home. Apple for mobile devices. And Linux at work.

plush cradle
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I use Linux for my personal computers, and Android for phones.
Nothing else

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I don't have any job

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Linux has plenty of problems, but I feel like Windows' problems are stuff that's purposely bad, whereas mostly the linux stuff that's bad is bad because they don't get enough outside perspective and testing with actual people and normies and see how they go about using stuff and what they get hung up on

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or (some of) the difference is ideological, and I'm more ideologically opposed to Windows

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or where Windows' problems aren't purposely bad, it's because they laid off or fired their whole testing team

serene arrow
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Maybe you just don't like operating systems or something. Kinda sounds like you hate them all

proven frigate
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work pc is windows because IT, everything but my wife's ipad is linux at home. Kids computers on are Manjaro, and I run a mix of manjaro KDE and ubuntu server

plush cradle
# serene arrow Maybe you just don't like operating systems or something. Kinda sounds like you ...

I've never found one that was anywhere near perfect
as much as I have huge amounts of nostalgia for Windows XP, I realize and recognize that it had other huge problems
I think win7 was a bit of a step backward in pretty colors and cool funky designs (XP had some cool funky stuff), and I perfer XP's paint program to 7's, but 7 was a huge step up in wifi support and had a lot of practical going for it when XP became untenable

I had been dual or multi-booting win7 with Linux for a number of years when I finally decided to quit Windows in 2017 because it was getting worse and not better and there was an alternative that I found more easily acceptable to me

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I just couldn't justify to myself using Windows much longer, and I knew I'd be practically forced off eventually

proven frigate
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windows is just spyware now

serene arrow
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I think that windows 11 will be a bit of a forced hand because of the TPM requirements, but windows 10 is basically the windows xp / windows 7 of the current times.

plush cradle
plush cradle
serene arrow
proven frigate
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IT has it locked out so I cant make any changes to my work computer

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but i would rather just run linux at home and live free

plush cradle
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I feel like the ideal system is the one where stuff you "delete" goes to trash instead (and you empty at your leasure), and that doesn't have any user or root password but that you have to fix or replace (wipe and reload) if you mess up

proven frigate
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its silly to have to go into my "operating system" that I technically paid for as part of a volume licence from the computer MFG and modify it to stop spying on me

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linux just avoids the whole issue

serene arrow
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Thats true

plush cradle
serene arrow
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Unfortunately spying on us is the internet now

proven frigate
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if I could reliably get MS office to work on linux I would dump it in a heartbeat

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sadly I need Visio for work

plush cradle
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I've hardly ever had to use an office program except in school

proven frigate
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the rest I could make work with other applications or 365 web apps

plush cradle
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I don't get why people have to use them tbh

serene arrow
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Both windows and mac utilize the trash can method

plush cradle
serene arrow
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Unless using command line on mac, then it's just gone

proven frigate
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I have to make system diagrams and worflow drawings most days, plus lots of spreadsheets that are edited and modified by other people on my team as we fill in information

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dont use word, or powerpoint or any other office products much

serene arrow
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i hate to be making this plug, but quip!!! our team hates using quip, but uses it for everything. it's annoying

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^^with reference to collaboration

proven frigate
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salesforce is evil

plush cradle
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it seems to me that safeguards should only exist when a well-informed user who cares about their own well-being would willingly place them on theirself for their own good, like how you'd (hopefully) use ear plugs or other hearing protection to protect your hearing when there's gonna be loud stuff, or wear sunglasses when it's too bright, or use much better eye protection when welding, or wear fall protection when you're on scaffolding that may not be as stable as it should be, or have guards on some mechanical saw things so that you're less likely to cut your finger(s) off, or the trash mechanism on your computer so you're less likely to delete something without thinking about it enough (or at least you have to kinda consider it twice), or wear gloves if the situation calls for it (not with rotating machinery though, apparently)

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I feel like in that spirit, some things should be warned/protected against, but if you insist a couple times it should let you do it
I feel like some stuff isn't warned/protected against enough, and other stuff is too protected against.

serene arrow
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A lot of those use cases are put in place because someone who didn't know what they were doing tried to use something in a way they shouldn't.

serene arrow
proven frigate
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I was trolling

serene arrow
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ah

willow cedar
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my old linux gaming rig on superposition

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its not very impressive but it still games well

spice iris
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I'm trying to remember which Linux Tech Tips I was just watching. I think it was the wan show, Linus was talking about his experience as a new user on linux and disagreeing about usability, can anyone remember which episode it was?

narrow zephyr
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The latest one

spice iris
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Thanks. I thought it might be but it wasn't showing up on my history.

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So, I went and I watched all the ones there.

shell heron
hardy niche
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Haven't daily driven Linux in a while, but it feels good. The switch from windows wasn't as bad as I expected. All of my steam games work with almost no tweaking(Still have to test to see if the games work well). All in all a smooth transition. Thanks LTT for pushing me to make the switch

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