networking

[tame carbon]

thunderbolt?

[toxic chasm]

This at least has 1 10gb SFP+ port

No, just USB3

[tame carbon]

@toxic chasm yeah that 10G port is ment to go to your switch

[peak cloak]

yeah but it only has 1, that's the thing

[tame carbon]

realistically, you'll only be routing at most 5gbit through that router in and out anyways

[toxic chasm]

Cold I not thorw it to my NAS?

[peak cloak]

only has one sfp+

[toxic chasm]

Yeah

[tame carbon]

@toxic chasm I have that router paired with this:

thats a switch

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in#fndtn-specifications

[toxic chasm]

So that could give me a few ports that can communicate at 10gb between each other right?

[tame carbon]

Yeah

[toxic chasm]

Yeah, that sounds like it would work great

[tame carbon]

There's many choices in hardware

different amount of ports

and layouts

[toxic chasm]

I could get the router now and get that switch later

[tame carbon]

@toxic chasm yeah though I recommend buying the RB4011 without wireless, it is cheaper to buy them as seperate components

@toxic chasm you buy one of those hAP ac2's or cAP ac's

and you plug it into port 10 on the router

that powers it

[peak cloak]

yep, just keep in mind if you want to connect it up you need fiber and compatible sfp+ modules

[toxic chasm]

And in between I could throw my NAS on that SFP+ port right?

[tame carbon]

Yeah you could do that too

[toxic chasm]

Or is that just for between there branded devices?

[toxic chasm]

Cool

[peak cloak]

yeah sure

[tame carbon]

@toxic chasm let me show you how it works:

[toxic chasm]

Just thinking of stages

[tame carbon]

https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/RB4011iGSplusRM_180903.png

So you have a CPU, with two switching chips, each have 5 gigabit ports

each connected with 2.5G to the CPU

[toxic chasm]

Ohf, bit of a bottlenecks there

[tame carbon]

so you get at most from the SFP+ to the swiching ports, around ~5gbit/s

[toxic chasm]

Should be fine though

[tame carbon]

@toxic chasm true 10G routers cost a bit more I'm afraid ;)

[toxic chasm]

Only have 3 or 4 devices that hog bandwidth

[tame carbon]

upward of 500 bucks or more

@toxic chasm yeah but if its local clients hitting the NAS, and you have a switch

[toxic chasm]

Yeah, I thought that was a rather good price

[tame carbon]

you can fully saturate 10 clients with each 1G

This whole system is modular

and all those devices run same OS, so once you know how to configure one of them

you know how to do all of them

@toxic chasm all the interfaces connected to it: https://i.imgur.com/zuJVyKH.png

The last interface at the bottom, (sfp-sfpplus1)

that one goes to my switch

[toxic chasm]

Wow, that looks straight out of 1995

[tame carbon]

@toxic chasm its tiny windows program that connects to it yes xD but its actually very nice

[peak cloak]

yeah it's not the prettiest, the cli is good too

[tame carbon]

the router itself runs linux

[peak cloak]

http://demo2.mt.lv/webfig/

[tame carbon]

and there's a web config ^

I prefer using winbox

[toxic chasm]

Cool

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/uKRkdQa.png

@toxic chasm I have a couple mikrotiks

you can configure them without an IP address :D
you can connect straight to the MAC address

very useful if you lock yourself out

[toxic chasm]

I'll probably throw in an order for one. Anywhere better to buy it from than Amazon?

[tame carbon]

I get them from a business vendor

:3

@toxic chasm if the price is alright

most things are more expensive on amazon

or at least for me

[peak cloak]

the HEX S is msrp on amazon

for me

[tame carbon]

@toxic chasm the wireless RB4011 might not be terrible to start with then

I see it has MIMO so you can have very wide channels

and as I said, the wireless system is modular, so you can expand it with more devices

[toxic chasm]

Not really

[tame carbon]

oh btw, if you wanted full fat 10G:

that one can route 80gbit/s total

72 core router lol xD

[toxic chasm]

Nice

[tame carbon]

but you can run a town with this on highspeed internet

[bronze fulcrum]

I was told to come here to ask questions about virtualization.
I’m thinking about maybe making a virtualization gaming server for my and my girlfriend so I don’t have to build 2 new machines. What is the pros and cons of something like this?

[tame carbon]

@bronze fulcrum do you know how to use linux?

[bronze fulcrum]

Not really but I would learn if I need to @tame carbon

[tame carbon]

Yeah... I think.. this is a bit too difficult without experience

[peak cloak]

yeah linux is what you would want to use

[tame carbon]

hardware passthrough is already very tricky

[peak cloak]

also you would need 2 gpu's right?

proxmox can be used

[bronze fulcrum]

Yeah I would prefer 2

[tame carbon]

yeah two GPUs on seperate IOMMU groups

[peak cloak]

but still you need lots of cli

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak the problem with this currently is that, its not stable enough

and if the guest crashes and doesnt properly release the GPU

you have to restart the host

kinda defeats the purpose of VMs

nvidia cards in particular, do not like running in virtual machines

though you can get around their stupid restrictions

@bronze fulcrum I know LTT showed off their 7 gamers 1 CPU project

but their behind the scenes, took up months of time

messing around with kernel configurations and PCIe settings

[bronze fulcrum]

Yeah that and his home one made me interested

[tame carbon]

yeah its a lot harder to setup

than they make it look

and you are 100% going to run into errors if you follow a tutorial

[bronze fulcrum]

Yeah I figured as much

[tame carbon]

and if you dont know what you are doing

you are kinda.. screwed with a bunch of expensive hardware

[bronze fulcrum]

Ahh I wasn’t sure on price. That’s something I was wondering

[tame carbon]

@bronze fulcrum I mean, one of the cool things LTT did with their home rigs was use thunderbolt docks

they were connected with optical fiber thunderbolt to their network closet

so the computer was in another room, and the office where the Screen sits is totally quiet

[bronze fulcrum]

Yeah. For me the computer would be in the same room

[tame carbon]

yeah but with a dock, you have all the connectivity in a tiny box

[bronze fulcrum]

Right

[tame carbon]

and that box has something like 40gbit's to the computer

[bronze fulcrum]

Dang

[tame carbon]

for dual display

bunch of USB ports

networking

and sound

yeah there's lots of choices

the output of the GPU basically loops out of the back of the PC back into it

[bronze fulcrum]

Ahh

[tame carbon]

you basically do this ^

takes display output, and combines it with all the data facilities from the PCIe lanes

and sends it out a port

and well, there's lots of choice

this would be all the I/O you have access to ^

@bronze fulcrum maybe in the future, SR-IOV will be more available to consumers

that would allow two virtual machines to run with the same GPU

SR-IOV is used in supercomputers

[bronze fulcrum]

Ahhh

I mean I wouldn’t mind having to use two gpus

[tame carbon]

yeah but setting it up isnt that easy

[bronze fulcrum]

Yeah true

Let me ask this. Where do I need to start with learning all this? I think it’s a really cool idea and even if I can’t do it now. I think it would be a cool project to do at some point.

[tame carbon]

@bronze fulcrum learning how to use virtualization is kinda the starting point

like setting up your own NAS

with an old PC and a couple harddrives

using linux

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine

[bronze fulcrum]

Well that’s is something I could do. I have an old pc im using as a plex media server rn. But I’m running win 10

[tame carbon]

you can do that on linux too

There's packages for ubuntu https://i.imgur.com/z4TCMwG.png

[bronze fulcrum]

I never had had much experience with any Linux besides unbuntu to wipe or copy drives. That’s why I use win 10 on my media machine

[tame carbon]

Yeah but you gotta start somewhere? xD

[bronze fulcrum]

But I could start learning it.

[tame carbon]

linux is actually lot easier if you want to do more advanced things on your computer

90% of the stuff I can do with my pc, idk how to do on windows

[bronze fulcrum]

Ahhh

[tame carbon]

windows is confusing, poorly designed and clearly made for users

[bronze fulcrum]

I use it because that’s what I grew up using. But I’ve recently been wanting to learn and get more into computer and OS

[peak cloak]

I learned it by setting up a MC server

[tame carbon]

xD as did I

[peak cloak]

this guide is great

https://linuxize.com/post/how-to-make-minecraft-server-on-ubuntu-20-04/

[tame carbon]

early 2012

[peak cloak]

doesn't use screen like other's

and this

https://www.dlford.io/

for starting with proxmox

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak ewww, rcon

I'll use tmux

much easier

[peak cloak]

eh

I like running it as a system process

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/i2TmBOZ.png

[peak cloak]

I mean as a service

[tame carbon]

I guess you could do that

[plain siren]

How you really should.

[tame carbon]

pfft

not gonna make a systemd unit for something that I run temporarily

I hate systemd enough as it is

[bronze fulcrum]

Honestly y’all already lost me 😂😂

[plain siren]

This is how u network connect a car right

[tame carbon]

@bronze fulcrum systemd is system daemon, it manages all the background processes/services

@plain siren OBD2 ?

[plain siren]

Hotspot on a magnet mount lol

For stupid shit like this wifi connected radar detector

@tame carbon could you do some digging for me on Android and it's API

[tame carbon]

https://developer.android.com/reference

Its been a while since I last worked with it

[plain siren]

Funny

I'm trying to figure out is if I can intercept Bluetooth low energy commands issued by a certain application

[tame carbon]

yeah I am pretty sure you can debug that

[plain siren]

This radar detector uses Bluetooth low energy to set config options and send and receive detection alerts back to the phone

[tame carbon]

@plain siren you go to developer settings on the phone

and enable Bluetooth HCI snoop logging

[plain siren]

I never actually thought about that

[tame carbon]

pretty sure you can set it up so it dumps it over adb as well

its normally just dumped to a file

[peak cloak]

someone in another server said they were able to adb root into their car

lol

[plain siren]

I managed that on my Cadillac.

The entertainment center is running Android

[tame carbon]

all I know from the API side of things with bluetooth

is that you get packet level APIs, so its pretty much as low as you can

[plain siren]

The one on this Nissan is actually a Linux distro

And it's just as exploitable

[tame carbon]

yeah because they build shitty applications

[plain siren]

I think the best part is how mine is tied into an LTE connection and the self steering capabilities

I really want to try my hand at a Raspi car infotainment center.

[tame carbon]

@plain siren debugging capabilities on android really depend on the hardware you have, and how restricted the OS is you run

I know those Nexus series of phones and pixels are pretty much unlocked out of the box

and work with all the android features youd want as a developer

[plain siren]

Nexus 5 was one of my favorite phones because of how stock it was

[tame carbon]

yup

[tame carbon]

@plain siren they want me to use the Strategy Pattern

and at least 4 more from either GRASP, SOLID or GoF

I am overengineering this bit, gonna use a Composite pattern and Factory to construct composite strategies

get rekt.

I also think I can squeeze adapter pattern in somewhere

public class FlatAnswerScoreStrategy implements ScoringStrategy {

    private final int points;

    public FlatAnswerScoreStrategy(int points) {
        this.points = points;
    }

    @Override
    public int calculateScore(List<Answer> answers) {
        return answers.stream()
                .filter(Answer::isCorrect)
                .mapToInt($ -> points)
                .sum();
    }
}

beautiful.

[frigid pine]

All switches have same same bridge priority. So MAC would be used to figure out which Bridge ID is lower or higher. My ques is, would Core2 have per interface bridgeID since all interface have different MAC?

[plain siren]

The root bridge, which is the bridge that connects all the interfaces together, has a MAC Addr

[frigid pine]

So the bridge is kind of an invisible plane which contains all ports. And this bridge has a MAC. Like Mikrotik has a bridge interface with a MAC. Right?

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Network_Bridging.png

@frigid pine correct yeah, the bridge is what goes to the CPU on a mikrotik

and multiport bridging is what a big switching chip might do

[frigid pine]

Ok. Got it.

[frigid pine]

So in this scenario Core1 is the root. So which link shall end up being blocked between Core1 and Core2 using the third rule i.e. the lower port number wins the selection of being the DP?

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine I am trying to see what you mean

are you talking about Spanning tree?

[frigid pine]

yes. STP.

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine pretty sure the way this functions, is Rouing explained, each node sends a BPDU

and then it adds its own cost to it

before it lists to its neighbors about their neighbors

@frigid pine the moment you have a circle in your network

like that triangle

you'll want to use MSTP

You define regions

and then a cost between regions

I think RSTP also does this, you assign a horizon cost

and it increases the hop cost

but idk lol. Spanning tree always works for me, except when it doesnt

https://i.imgur.com/eetC9BM.png

[frigid pine]

I am concerned with CST right now. MSTP is used when there are multiple VLANs. My topology doesn't have any VLANs.

[tame carbon]

CST?

[frigid pine]

common spanning-tree.

the base version

whats also called just STP.

[tame carbon]

layer 2 shennanigans

[frigid pine]

PVST+, RSTP, RPVST and MSTP are built over STP/CST.

[tame carbon]

:( way over my head

[frigid pine]

np. You tried atleast. xD

maybe Rouing has some insight.

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine I underestimated you lol

2nd time this happened

[frigid pine]

When was the first time lol xD

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine when you came in here last time asking about... what was it vlans?

something else with L2

[frigid pine]

I am good with STP but never tried a topology where multiple links are running between the two switches. This kind of topology uses a rule where the lower numbered port is chosen to be the Designated Port. But I am confused that the port number that this rule refers to is on the concerned switch of the far end switch.

[tame carbon]

@frigid pine I thought STP is the old and busted

and RSTP is the new hotness

@main briar there's a channel dedicated to networking talk btw :)

[main briar]

wait i forgot

[tame carbon]

here, we piss on windows and laugh at unifi users

[main briar]

im on windows right now oooh

[waxen saddle]

Unifi is fine. It works.

[tame carbon]

AHAHA

jk

[main briar]

and whats so bad about unifi

[tame carbon]

The 🍎 of networking

[main briar]

ooh

[tame carbon]

if you have too much money and no technical skills

get unifi.

[main briar]

closed ecosystem etc?

[tame carbon]

I think so yeah

Though you can still make it work with other vendor equipment

networking standards still apply.

[waxen saddle]

It works with other network hear just fine. Just management is closed.

[tame carbon]

^

But this is the case with all vendors

unifi looks shiny

and its expensive

[main briar]

my isp didnt give me a IPv6 adress. they dont like the future or something

[tame carbon]

https://ipv6excuses.com/

[waxen saddle]

Cheaper than Cisco contracts

[tame carbon]

@main briarhere's an excuse generator ^

[main briar]

oh wow

[tame carbon]

There's no good excuse to not use ipv6.

[main briar]

stupid stupid world

[tame carbon]

only reason people dont do it is because of the cost involved

[waxen saddle]

I need to figure out how to lock IPv6 DNS requests so they only go through my pihole

That’s why I haven’t rolled out IPv6 yet.

[tame carbon]

@waxen saddle srcnat? :D

[main briar]

go for the money

[waxen saddle]

Never heard of that.

[tame carbon]

make outgoing traffic for DNS go to your pihole instead ;P

sounds like a hack, more than a solution

nvm

[waxen saddle]

Lol

[tame carbon]

outgoing 53 -> translate to pi hole

@main briar btw, 10G local is totally feasible these days :)

[waxen saddle]

I locked down my DNS so it’s firewalled if anything tries to use an outside DNS server

[tame carbon]

@main briar if you are just switching on your local network, you dont need an expensive router

so a highspeed NAS @ 10G can be done for less than $200 total

[frigid pine]

Yes STP is old and busted but the concepts remains the same. RSTP is just faster than STP but works on same concepts as STP. Or that's what I know till now. xD

[short condor]

Hello guys. I am in the looks for a new (less locked down and problematic) solution to my network. Atm I have a pfsense box with a 24port poe switch from ubiquiti and a nanoHD AP from ubiquiti. The pfsense box is quite versatile as i can reinstall opensense for example. What would you recommend as a replacement for the switch and AP? I want poe but not necessarily all 24 poe ports.

[tame carbon]

@short condor You're only gonna get mikrotik recommendations from me

[short condor]

Do they have APs also?

[tame carbon]

yeah, though they are only wifi 5

but they are cheap, and centrally managed

so you can have multiple

[peak cloak]

Tp-link Omada line has wifi 6

[tame carbon]

or that ^

[short condor]

I don’t care about WiFi 6. Also I have no use for 10Gig.

[peak cloak]

Ah ok

[tame carbon]

wifi 6 is nice in high density deployments

where you have 10+ neighbors all spamming at same time

@short condor and what about a switch?

[short condor]

I live in a pretty open area with not many houses or access points. The switch I would like to have at least 24 ports. The house has 20 Ethernet-ports and some cameras and stuff. I would like to have maybe 12 poe ports. 2.5gig is perfectly fine. I have Cat6A unshielded.

[tame carbon]

mikrotik doesnt have any 2.5G gear

[short condor]

Most of my devices are 1gig

[tame carbon]

2.5G is a bit of a meme

its not used in the enterprise at all

[short condor]

Well, 10Gig is better for future.

[tame carbon]

Its also just as expensive

[short condor]

If the price is right then that would now be a problem.

[tame carbon]

how much are you willing to spend?

because a 24 port switch with 2x 10G, costs ~190

but that is without PoE.

[short condor]

I have spent almost 1500 on my ubiquiti gear.

[tame carbon]

fuck me

yeah

this is why I dont buy that stuff

too expensive :P

[short condor]

If I’m changing the AP and the Switch then about 500 would be pretty ok? Or is that too cheap?

[tame carbon]

@short condor the dual band wireless APs from mikrotik cost $60 each

they have two gigabit ports, one of them has PoE in

[short condor]

I want 24 ports, 8-12 of them poe, 10gig and a AP with at least 6x6

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs328_24p_4s_rm

How about this ?

[short condor]

The good thing with the UniFi NanoHD is that it works really nice at my house. I am happy with that. I just hate the problems the UniFi echo system gives me. The slightest mistake and I have to reset everything to factory because the stuff is “managed by another”. -.-

[tame carbon]

mikrotik stuff is very forgiving

if you mess a config up, it doesnt tell you

it just stops working

configurations on mikrotiks are VERY flexible

so you can configure things that make no sense...

[peak cloak]

oh the managed by other is annoying. I have the Flex Mini, just because it was the cheapest poe switch that was managed

The amount of times I needed to factory reset it

[tame carbon]

xD

@short condor this is what the UI looks like for those mikrotiks: https://i.imgur.com/ZisTaY1.png

[short condor]

https://store.ui.com/products/usw-24

I have this today.

Sorry... this. https://store.ui.com/products/usw-24-poe

[tame carbon]

costs about the same as the CRS328

only has two instead of 4 10gigabit ports

LOL

wat

@short condor my god that thing is trash

only 120 watts

that CRS328 has total power of 500 watts

@short condor these are their APs btw: https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac

[hearty lotus]

Hello, guys! Cross posting because I was told I may be helped here! I bought 2 units of this network adaptor https://amazon.com/dp/B071CV36BM - each antenna is supposed to be 6dBi, reviews say it generally gives a huge signal boost. I've been testing both units since yesterday, with just the signal from neighbour WiFi access points, and the connection from my own home, and I've noticed the better performance is of only around +10dBi or 10% on average. This is compared to the internal network adaptors of a 10 year old Thinkpad X220, and a newer Ideapad S540. I tried buying the adaptors with strongest antennas I could find, so I could have a little more peace of mind while travelling, and these seem to be the best I could find. Is it normal that I don't notice much difference? Am I doing anything wrong, perhaps?

[peak cloak]

lol

[tame carbon]

not sure where to begin..

@hearty lotus wireless radios are subject to regulations

so max transmit power the same, regardless of the kind of device

antenna polarization and type have a much greater impact on signal strength

omni antennas just blast in all directions.

the answer to larger coverage isnt a bigger transmitter, its more smaller transmitters spread out over an area.

[ruby bramble]

Depends what you are doing

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble doesnt make much sense if you transmit at 19dBi if the client can't respond with that transmit power

[hearty lotus]

I don't know much. I've been suffering with weak WiFis when travelling for work, and some folks say an external adaptor with antennas tend to be stronger than the internal laptop adaptor, and they buy one for travel.

[tame carbon]

so you can see the network, but not connect to it because it is out of range

[ruby bramble]

What bout over 10km?

[hearty lotus]

Now I don't know what should I do

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble you need beam forming

so the AP concentrates its output power in a specific direction

instead of stray signals going everywhere

[ruby bramble]

Yea

[peak cloak]

for that you want a Point to Point connection

[ruby bramble]

But you still need more power

[peak cloak]

yes

transmitting

[tame carbon]

but max tx power, is still the same

just more concentrated.

@hearty lotus wifi, for travels? wat

[ruby bramble]

We “hacked “ our line for 970ishmb/s and we transmit to my best friend

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble with 802.11 that's not gonna happen, unless you have 160MHz channels

[ruby bramble]

Yea but its faster than their previous adsl

[hearty lotus]

I started my search from here: https://toomanyadapters.com/best-wi-fi-extenders-travel/

[ruby bramble]

Sick of bad wifi? Starlink

[tame carbon]

portable wifi is called LTE

and works a lot better

[ruby bramble]

But starlink

[tame carbon]

starlink

on your phone?

[peak cloak]

that needs a huge dish

[ruby bramble]

Ehhhhh ethernet to usb c?

[hearty lotus]

Not in the countryside, I rely on the hotels AP

[ruby bramble]

Its still portable

[peak cloak]

not really

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble these are pretty cool:

[peak cloak]

how in the world is it portable

[ruby bramble]

Portable enough

[hearty lotus]

*Not in the countryside or many other countries

[tame carbon]

@ruby bramble Wireless wire cube. comes in pairs preconfigured

you point them at eachother, and it establishes a 2gbit/s link

over 60GHz

[ruby bramble]

We currently use the same dishes in the ltt vid

[tame carbon]

These are up to 800 meters for 2gbit

[ruby bramble]

Oh no the karens

[tame carbon]

Pfft

ever seen what Ku and X band are ? :D

used by radar systems

[ruby bramble]

Yea lol

[tame carbon]

Muuuch higher frequencies

[ruby bramble]

Dont let them find out

[tame carbon]

60Ghz is attenuated by oxygen in the air

so those wireless wire cubes transmit with something liek 19 watts

quite a lot

[ruby bramble]

Yea

[tame carbon]

but very reliable

nobody uses 60GHz

xD

[ruby bramble]

We just needed powerful ones because theres a fucking metal wall in the way

(More like a wide stand)

[hearty lotus]

OK, so have I just wasted the money? How could I improve the signal from the router to my hotel room without having to install extenders in the hotel corridors?

[ruby bramble]

And theres no other way i had to carve out a tree to get perfect sight

[tame carbon]

@hearty lotus attempting to use extenders on a wireless network is already a bodge job

[ruby bramble]

Powerline? Ethernet?

[tame carbon]

especially if you do not own the network yourself

[lone sun]

🤔 I didn't know zip files can become depressed. The things you learn about pc stuff.

[ruby bramble]

Dont most hotels have ethernet

[tame carbon]

^

[ruby bramble]

Yea dont pay for software

[hearty lotus]

Not in most countries

[ruby bramble]

Ive seen ethernet in the congo come on other countries

[tame carbon]

@hearty lotus your best option would be a wireless receiver as close to the AP as possible

and then running a cable to where you need access

[ruby bramble]

Or beg the owner to let you do ethernet

[tame carbon]

^

[ruby bramble]

The hotel i went to in Ireland had drop ceilings so i ran ethernet for the whole building and diddnt have to pay for anything

[tame carbon]

I just have a 2nd sim card in an LTE dongle

that plugs into my laptop with ethernet

[ruby bramble]

If you somehow go to the same hotel as i did room 22 has gigabit the others have 100mb

(That was my room)

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/QvpdWZt.png

software design at its finest

[thick minnow]

Sarcastic is that meant to be?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow last assignment from like 3 years ago

once I have this done

I get my degree

[thick minnow]

Ooh nice

gl

[tame carbon]

This is just formal object oriented design

@thick minnow what you see there, matches what I have in my code

https://i.imgur.com/6wlRvQT.png

the assignment is pretty simple, I have a 3 page document that explains a game

I have to do a functional analysis, and write a technical specification and a prototype console app

[thick minnow]

Okay

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow its just...

fucking formalities

in practice, you rarely make these diagrams

only when things are complicated enough, that you need a diagram to explain it

[thick minnow]

hmmm alr

[little schooner]

@tame carbon I can only imagine how complex game project maps like this are

it is a bit overwhelming

[tame carbon]

@little schooner you really need to think hard before you start coding

Minecraft is full of flyweights and mixins

@little schooner

They use mixins to associate functionality with different types

pretty crazy and not so common design pattern

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin lol status update from the Camping. The fiber operator has struck another water mains today

the other one was last week, on the camping grounds thesmelves

this time, they hit a water mains in the nearby town

[tame carbon]

this is linux refuge camp

[thorn stratus]

help

[tame carbon]

server people are the only ones who actually use linux regularly

[thorn stratus]

I want to windows sucks, things randomly break etc.

[tame carbon]

@thorn stratus installing a UEFI system is a bit involved, because you need to enroll keys so your linux install is allowed to boot

unless you disabled secure boot

[thorn stratus]

does secure boot compromise performance?

[tame carbon]

no, its a security mechanism of the motherboard firmware

[thorn stratus]

*security, sorry

[tame carbon]

it makes sure that unknown software cannot be booted on the system

@thorn stratus it digitally signs the kernel that runs on the system

[thorn stratus]

ok

[tame carbon]

during the installation you have to create a one time password

and after the install is completed

when your motherboard starts, will prompt you with the same password again

and then you accept the key

[thorn stratus]

ok, I think I understand

[tame carbon]

but I think it should prompt you with this

last time I installed mint on a system this went without any issues

I remember the face of the guy whom I installed it for

when his linux install booted in 1 second

[thorn stratus]

lol, I can get used to that

[tame carbon]

nvme in a laptop

that stuff is speedy, kernel is only like 20MB

takes milliseconds to init the system

[thorn stratus]

I'm formatting the usb, actually rufus is

[tame carbon]

@thorn stratus ok with rufus right?>

ok

flash drives have a limited amount of cycles

especially if you write them with rufus many times

you keep rewriting the bootloader sector at the start of the disk

and those cells wear out

and then you can't write to them anymore

I've thrown away

20 or so flash drives

because of that

[thorn stratus]

I only used this one for simple powerpoint/word things, I think its fine

[tame carbon]

yeah most of the flashdrives I use for this

are just old ones I got somewhere

[thorn stratus]

copying iso

[thick minnow]

Ayy, so you got someone to "convert" a person to Linux

[thick minnow]

I've kinda just used ventoy and a hard drive

way more eaasy that way

if only it had a macOS version

[thorn stratus]

done

[tame carbon]

@thorn stratus okay, so do you have another way to communicate other than this computer?

[thorn stratus]

yep my iphone

Btw, this wont affect my windows install right?

[thick minnow]

If you do it right, no it won't affect

[thorn stratus]

oh help

[thick minnow]

but doing it wrong is pretty hard

unless you click erase everything and install

[tame carbon]

@thorn stratus no, you're fine, you get a selection where you want to install the system

[thorn stratus]

sounds absolutely not terrifyng, my english is bad

[tame carbon]

and the bootloader is installed onto your external drive, so it leaves your C:\ untouched

[thorn stratus]

ok, the usb stick is done btw

[thick minnow]

What distro btw?

@tame carbon ?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow mint

though I moved to pm

[thick minnow]

Ah alr

It's fine

Just curious

[hollow marlin]

Thats why here in the US always dial 811 for digsafe before any digging is done

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin you have no idea, this is deep rural germany

theres hidden tunnels and pipes

everywhere

old fuel depot lines

and such

the lake

used to be a water basin for the fire dpt

the entire foundation is one giant concrete tub

40 years ago

it was abandoned and set up as a campsite

americans btw (the military base)

[hollow marlin]

Id lose my mind being in charge of digging in locations where there are no marked services

The fines are quite high here if you hit anything. Especially utilities

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin we've flooded that town before

its fine

they are used to it

xD

couple years ago

there was a flash of insane downpour

and suddenly there was a 1m high mudslide that came out of the nearby waterstream

swept 1 mobile home into the lake

and went to the downstream town, covering it in mud

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo y tho

*** No matching command found in current mode, matching in (config) mode ***
  <1-511>  Sub-Interface number (<1-63> for SI on satellite port)

it hates values like .2031

@hollow marlin i pay all this money, i dont want limits

ubiquiti would never limit me like this. never.

[hollow marlin]

@waxen scroll Only 511 sub-inf?

[clear igloo]

that must be really old code or hardware

Switch(config)# int ETh1/10.?
  <1-4094>  Sub-Interface number (<1-63> for SI on satellite port)

[waxen scroll]

its eve-ng

vNX-OS

im out of ports on my ASR so I was testing to see if I can tag an L3 from nexus

[clear igloo]

@hollow marlin About to rip my hair out figuring out why my bottom MPLS PE node can't talk to the top PE nodes even though routes exist and everything looks good. I swapped the P nodes today so I figured I'll upgrade them to the target code. One reload later, everything works

[hollow marlin]

Got to love it when a reboot fixes it. How did the labels look before the reboots?

[clear igloo]

All over the place

It would take one path and then take another and die at seemingly random locations going from PE to P

Thankfully it's not prod, just a lab, and I noticed it before anyone said something 😄

[hollow marlin]

lol

[clear igloo]

I think that code had a MPLS bug but I didn't bother to dig too much once I realized it was out of date

[hollow marlin]

Were you using RSVP or LDP? Or even better SR

[clear igloo]

I'm pretty sure LDP

[hollow marlin]

Id probably bank on a bug and stuck FEC. It sounds like it was a loop with ECMP playing a part in the randomness of it.

[void heart]

is 350 mbps down/ 17 mbps up good for like twitch streaming and stuff

or good in general

[tender hazel]

@hollow marlin question for you.. or actually for anybody else actually..

we deliver IPv6 on our network via PPPoE and DHCPv6-PD

I'm helping someone set it up and he is not running pppoe, just regular DHCP and DHCPv6-PD

the customer routers won't request a DHCPv6-PD prefix unless there is a /64 on the shared ISP subnet that is sending router advertisements

the downside of doing that is that then the customer routers get a SLAAC address on their WAN port and that SLAAC address isn't really controlled or tracked, so if the customer is cut off for non payment that address will continue to work

so I'm wondering what the typical solution for that would be - can they simply disable the A flag to prevent this while still getting the customer routers to request a prefix via DHCPv6-PD?

[waxen scroll]

block their mac address, turn their port admin down, bla bla bla

[tender hazel]

that's not a suitable solution

[waxen scroll]

gotta redesign. they should never be able to feed you data unless you expect it

that means cutting off layer 2 at a minimum

[tender hazel]

well I mean the client should be able to get RA's from the router

[waxen scroll]

If they've paid.

😄

[tender hazel]

the DHCPv6 prefix delegation is driven by radius, so that stores the prefix information for blocking if they haven't paid

[waxen scroll]

could you perhaps null them ?

[tender hazel]

and in that case their prefix would be blocked but this one extra address in the /64 that isn't really necessary would not be blocked

[waxen scroll]

whats the layer 1 tech?

[tender hazel]

a mixture of wireless radio equipment by different vendors and fiber to the home

[waxen scroll]

what do you do with v4 when the bill isnt paid?

[tender hazel]

the IP that they receive via DHCP is tracked by the radius server, and is automatically added to a block list

[waxen scroll]

hm. so does that address really need to be internet routable ?

I dont see why it would

[tender hazel]

no - but if it is not, the customer router doesn't request a prefix via DHCPv6-PD and then they don't get any ipv6 internet whatsoever

I mean it might be possible to use ULA for that

but there has to be some kind of.. standard solution for that

because this can't be an issue that nobody has experienced before

[waxen scroll]

@hollow marlin idk i dont see why the WAN network needs the routing to exit the local network

you only need it as a next hop

[void heart]

is 350 mbps down/ 17 mbps up good for like twitch streaming and stuff

or good in general

[tender hazel]

the customer router WAN port doesn't need a global ipv6 to exit the local network, but it won't request a prefix via DHCPv6 prefix delegation unless there are router advertisements coming from the upstream router

[hollow marlin]

I do not know of any easy solution for that other than when they don't pay, the RA/NAs on the port are blocked/filtered. Our services will remove customer VLANs from the ONT upon non-payment which avoids that situation.

[tender hazel]

yeah but that doesn't work in a standardized way for a cross vendor environment

[waxen scroll]

i can tell you on comcast the layer 2 drops

the US/DS light no workey well

[hollow marlin]

Most vendors ACLs/filters can block ND messages and I guess could be scripted.

[tender hazel]

hmm so I just checked my upstream cable ISP router advertisement packets

they do NOT have the A flag set

so it should be possible to just disable the A flag to prevent the customer from getting an IP on that subnet

they could still give themselves a static IP which would be a problem, but that could be blocked with either a firewall/ACL rule or using a ULA /64 for the WAN side

[waxen scroll]

yeah customers like @rocky badge are a nightmare

he got like 3 subnets from his ISP

[tender hazel]

so that's probably the way to go about it

that way the blocked user can't get online using any means, without needing any kind of scripting

[waxen scroll]

@tender hazel but what if you want them to use their dead service to pay the bill or start service?

[tender hazel]

that's not a problem actually - the rules that are added based on their IP and IPv6 prefix block them from going to the entire internet except our website and billing portal

they aren't completely cut off as a result - they are just cut off from most of the internet

they actually get displayed a message that they haven't paid their bill and are given a link to the billing portal

to avoid them calling tech support and wasted time troubleshooting a service that has been cut off for non payment

[tender hazel]

but this is why I prefer PPPoE personally - it provides a nice solution for this without having to find workarounds

lots of people seem to hate pppoe because it is old

but when you are trying to secure a network where customers get their IPs through regular DHCP, you have to find other solutions to issues that you wouldn't have in the first place with a tunnel solution like PPPoE

802.1x looks like the only potential replacement on the horizon

but I haven't really seen much in terms of 802.1x configuration for off the shelf home routers that you can buy

[waxen scroll]

802.1x is dependent on you, not the customer

at least thats how it is in an enterprise setting

though i do forget that we had to use cisco clients for it, so i guess it depends

its all part of the VPN software

@rocky badge did you ever send your ISP BPDUs?

[rocky badge]

no lol

[midnight smelt]

What channel for printer help

[peak cloak]

probably here is the best bet, but we all hate printers

[thorny vector]

Just got a SOLID reminder that I need to update my windows 2016 server iso. Just spent all day doing 4 years of updates

RIP

[lilac coyote]

Hey uhh i need hlep

[thick minnow]

Could you care to explain to us?

[heavy vapor]

im having a hard time understanding DHCP roles etc on server

can someone explain lol

[tender hazel]

What?

[thick minnow]

Is there a setting im missing to lower ping in games? Do i need better internet i get 200mbs? im on ethernet too, I heard something about changing the dns server?

[robust plinth]

lowering game ping depends on that server location to yours.

[thick minnow]

I have 4k hevc files I'm trying to watch on my phone

They are located on a network shared hard drive on my computer

Computer ethernet to router. Wifi from router to phone.

The video should be 50mbps but my phone keeps buffering with it every few seconds.

Any clue how to fix

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow increase buffer size

[thick minnow]

On vlc for a android and ios how?

[tame carbon]

More -> Advanced Settings -> Network Caching Value

you bump that up to like 5 seconds or something like that

that's 5000ms

VLC on the desktop has a buffer by default of 1000ms

[thick minnow]

Any negatives of increasing this?

Should I decrease it when I go back to 1080p?

[tame carbon]

negatives?

oh no, just takes 5 seconds for the stream to start

cus it has to buffer a bit more

but that helps if network speed fluctuates

it buffers a bit more, less chance of it freezing while playing

if it keeps freezing up

then the bandwidth is too much for the wireless connection

[thick minnow]

Oh still buffers :(

I'll try on my ipad

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow you need to compress the video footage lol

50mbit/s is 4K

uncompressed

[thick minnow]

How can I allow it to not be compressed

Like

Which piece of hardware is the bottleneck

I just have a bt infinity hub router

[tame carbon]

the file itself :P

bitrate is too high for the connection

[thick minnow]

Wdym?

Wifi can be like a few hundred mbps

So I don't get how 50 struggles

[tame carbon]

not sure what you are trying to do

never done this kind of thing on a phone :P

[thick minnow]

Tryna watch 4k video on my phone :(

[tame carbon]

I've only ever used a NAS + raspberry pi

@thick minnow 4K is your problem.

its too unwieldy

to handle uncompressed footage

idk if it is VLC

your phone

or wireless causing this

[thick minnow]

my nas i working again

[thick minnow]

will a gigabit home network be fast enough to stream high bitrate hdr 4k movies from my pc to philips tv?

[tame carbon]

should be

[thick minnow]

What program should i use?

[vale bough]

anyone know how to use 2 radios for one connection on openwrt? individually they seem to cap at around 200mbps each. which isnt anywhere near the speed the radios are supposed to hit anyway

[static knoll]

question

what the hell is a wifi cable?

nvm

[thick minnow]

Uhm, its not wifi then

[static knoll]

He was referring to a cable providing internet

to the yellow ports on his router

idiots i tell ya

[thick minnow]

Wifi is waves

oh okay

[static knoll]

yeah

i honestly don't understand why they don't call them internet cables

that plug into the router

like, it provides Internet not WiFi

[thick minnow]

The consumer marked really did a good job messing up names

everyone calls acces points routers

And they think a slow wifi connection is the same as a slow internet connection

[static knoll]

yeah pretty much

[thick minnow]

You can have a gigabit internet connection and use 30 dollar acces point in a huge mansion and they say its the isp problem

bruh

or try and use wifi from an acces point trough a huge concrete wall and say its bad wifi

im sorry but you cant ignore the laws of physics

I also dont know how people not know how wifi works, doesnt everyone have basic physics in high school??

[static knoll]

Well, some of them barely know how waves work

so

[thick minnow]

How do they pass their exams then?

[static knoll]

They don't take physics/cheat lol

Or, they forget immediately after exams

[thick minnow]

Oof

I only have that problem with french and german

[tame carbon]

internet cable is incorrect.

the internet isn't a thing. its just what we call the interconnected network of networks

Ethernet is the correct term.

[thick minnow]

almost every cable can be an internet cable, internet is just data

[tame carbon]

no it isnt

what you call the "internet"

[thick minnow]

Wait

[tame carbon]

is TCP/IP, which is much higher in the protocol stack, than the cable is

[thick minnow]

the cable IS the internet

[tame carbon]

no it isn't.

The cable is for an ethernet network.

[thick minnow]

Its part of the internet bcs the internet is everything connected to each other

[static knoll]

@tame carbon internet cable meaning the cable supplying internet to the router

[tame carbon]

even that is ethernet.

or encapsulated ethernet.

[static knoll]

internet cable as a term is incorrect, but it's easily understandable for the consumer

[tame carbon]

ethernet networks are used to exchange IP packets.

[static knoll]

some people just can't understand the different between ethernet and internet

[tame carbon]

the process of moving IP packets from one ethernet network, to another, is called 'routing'

[thick minnow]

But does someone know if i can connect my philips smart tv to my pc as a monitor via an ethernet cable?

And if its possible, how?

[hidden hull]

is internet repeater worth it?

[tame carbon]

Nope

they interfere more than they do good

[hidden hull]

i thought they speed up ur internet

[tame carbon]

;-;

[thick minnow]

No, they only extend your wifi coverage but slows it down by about half your speed

[hidden hull]

i have thought does changing ur ip in windows defender firewall makes ur internet faster

[tame carbon]

what.

[thick minnow]

My brain hurts reading this

[hidden hull]

XD cuz u havent know

[tame carbon]

again, what.

[peak cloak]

[hidden hull]

ill show u guys wait

well i cant show u cuz my ip is in nvm

[thick minnow]

draw over it in paint

[hidden hull]

NOOOOOO

[thick minnow]

?

[hidden hull]

...

[thick minnow]

What does your ip look like what you dont want us to see?

[peak cloak]

Unless you have ipv6 it's a private ip

Your router does nat

We ran out of ipv4s to give to everyone

So you only get one

[hidden hull]

I told

Nvm

[static knoll]

anyhow

[thick minnow]

192.168.?.?

That ip is local you can show that to us

[static knoll]

no you can't make your internet substantially faster without paying more

that is it

[thick minnow]

You cant legally 😀

[hidden hull]

it'll increase Ms if u pay more

[tame carbon]

that has nothing to do with it

[hidden hull]

it doesnt boost u up

well for us

[thick minnow]

What ip adress did you change

[hidden hull]

bruh

Nvm

why u keep asking

[thick minnow]

Because it makes nu sense

no

[hidden hull]

the code is like 8888 or something whatever

[thick minnow]

What code?

[tame carbon]

🤣 dns

[thick minnow]

Did you change your DNS?

[hidden hull]

oh yeah DNs sorry

Not ip

No where close

[thick minnow]

Ohhh, what was your previous dns?

It couldve been a slow one

[peak cloak]

Dns doesn't make internet faster

[hidden hull]

Really?

[peak cloak]

Its just makes dns resolution faster

Sometimes

Which makes it feel faster

[thick minnow]

@hidden hull Did you do speedtests?

[hidden hull]

damn my internet is trash

i meant not trash suck

[peak cloak]

How much do you pay for?

How much do you get over ethernet

[hidden hull]

usually 40 dollars

[static knoll]

1.1.1.1 usually > 8.8.8.8

unless you're accessing Google, then 8.8.8.8>1.1.1.1

[thick minnow]

No what speed do you pay for

[hidden hull]

over around 35 mbps?

[thick minnow]

I also use cloudflare

[peak cloak]

I just have both and it's cached in the router

[static knoll]

1.1.1.1 gang

[static knoll]

eh when you don't have router access 1.1.1.1 is fine

[tame carbon]

wtf.

[thick minnow]

And do you get 35mbps?

[tame carbon]

I am 100% confused by this conversation

[static knoll]

$40 for 35mbps isnt unreasonable

bad contract probably

[tame carbon]

you guys are talking about speed, and then about DNS

[peak cloak]

Fr

[radiant shell]

i use 1.1.1.1 after it goes through my local dns server

[tame carbon]

Those things have NOTHING to do with eachother.

[hidden hull]

no

[thick minnow]

Yeah remember he changed his ip? it was his DNS..

Still doesnt make sense

[peak cloak]

Started from this #networking message

[hidden hull]

im confuse in this conversation but okay?

im along with you

[thick minnow]

My brain hurts

[hidden hull]

near demise

[thick minnow]

thats pretty expensive imo

[static knoll]

Yes, but for the people in bad contracts it's not

Look at Fios

150Mbps, $350 second year after contract

1st year after 250 for an originally what, $100 something plan?

[tame carbon]

thats insane

I pay 85month for 250/250

[peak cloak]

They don't have a 150 plan?

[static knoll]

yeah no, better off making a new contract every 2 years or so in the US 🤭

[peak cloak]

At least here

[thick minnow]

Contracts are fun, we have some really old contract and something went wrong and how we have the most expensive tv plan with 1000down50up and we pay -80 euro lmao

[static knoll]

they did, at least back a couple of years ago

[radiant shell]

im in Australia & pay USD$85 for 100/40

[thick minnow]

We get 80 bucks every month LMAO

[peak cloak]

Yeah it's a a matter of just hopping between contracts and stuff

[static knoll]

pretty much, or starting your own ISP

[tame carbon]

I'm not hopping between contracts

The ISP I have right now can't be beat.

[static knoll]

which will cost you a nice 100k US

[tame carbon]

I can get extra IP blocks, and dont have to deal with crappy ISP hardware

[peak cloak]

We used to pay like 160 for 200/30

[thick minnow]

Oof

[peak cloak]

But it was with tv which we never used and phone, but still

[thick minnow]

We pay like 25 per month for 1000/50, our isp hates us

[peak cloak]

Optimum was pretty fine

[tame carbon]

assymetric lines are a pest.

[peak cloak]

Until atlice bought it

[thick minnow]

Tell Ziggo to use fiber

[tame carbon]

I thought they have fiber?

with their giganet

[thick minnow]

nope

[tame carbon]

LOL wait?

I seriously thought it was fiber

[thick minnow]

Giganet is 1000/50 on copper

[tame carbon]

its still coaxial?

LOL

[thick minnow]

yeah

[static knoll]

copper sucks

[tame carbon]

fucking ziggo

useless

https://i.imgur.com/4ga3ukd.png

I rather have 100/100 than 1000/10

[thick minnow]

My mom used to work for UPC, then ziggo and they started shutting down services to migrate to fiber in 2015, they still dont use it. Shes glad she quit but we still have employee plans so thats why we pay almost nothing

[tame carbon]

I was using UPC in early 2010

[thick minnow]

liberty global really fucked with their employees

[tame carbon]

it was shit back then, and it is still shit today

[thick minnow]

UPC was fine but after migration with Ziggo it all went downhill

[tame carbon]

yeah because they are overalllocating their bandwidth

you don't get 1000M guaranteed.

[thick minnow]

What do you mean?

[tame carbon]

coaxial is a shared medium

if other people in your neighborhood are downloading

your speed will go down

[peak cloak]

I mean everyone overallocates unless you are paying for like a dedicated line

[thick minnow]

They cant give everyone their giganet services, they boost the streets with people who have it

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow thats what they advertise though

[thick minnow]

Yeah talking for insiders, they cant

[peak cloak]

Overallocation is also a problem on fiber

[thick minnow]

KPN is laying fiber everywere (and connecting homes for free) so hopefully ziggo will rent their connections

at least here in alkmaar

[tame carbon]

https://youtu.be/9PfQcXc9E9k?t=260

So. Sick.

MAN. I miss being able to party

cant wait for this stupid pandemic to be over.

[thick minnow]

I never party

[tame carbon]

booooring

[thick minnow]

Thats on having no friends

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow basically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PonLJ9kcq-o

The kind of place I go to ^ :D

[static knoll]

@tame carbon is the party master

[thick minnow]

woah

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow yepp, that's 16kWatts of pure sound powah

[thick minnow]

I hate the pandemic too i just wanna see movies 😫

[thick minnow]

My dad does the sound in those sort of things

[severe wigeon]

Well this isn't networking

I think this channel is mislabeled

[tame carbon]

Sssshhhhhhhhhhhh

[thick minnow]

music venues have networking too

:DDDD

How do you think wireless mics work

[radiant shell]

not over wifi

[tame carbon]

they use different frequency

and its just PCM over RF

[thick minnow]

Same waves lol

[tame carbon]

nah

different frequencies, different modulation

@thick minnow this festival is once a year in netherlands: https://youtu.be/z465P9sk0PA?t=4664

5 days in a row

[radiant shell]

as an AV Tech, you would be surprised at the amount of fibre and ethernet cables are now used in installs

[tame carbon]

@radiant shell what's that protocol that those pioneer DJ decks use?

[thick minnow]

Yeah

[tame carbon]

Seen them before, connected via ethernet

is that Dante?

[thick minnow]

how can i change the raid cofig on my nas

netgear

[peak cloak]

Idk look at the manual

[radiant shell]

Nah not dante, each dj brand as they own flavour of protocol, all still tcp/ip based

[tame carbon]

brilliant

so they reinvent a protocol

instead of using a spec.

[tame carbon]

music industry headshake

[radiant shell]

thats from one of the many racks from the venue i used to work at

that rack is all for lighting. video and sound data

[tame carbon]

@radiant shell you guys using artnet these days? or is it still XLR's coming out of a buffer ?

[radiant shell]

depends on the event

[thick minnow]

This is what my dad worked on, there is a LOT of networking involved

[tame carbon]

I've written DMX controller software before

with an arduino, some voltage regulators and soldering

192Khz signals are annoying, because chip is so slow

[radiant shell]

typically we go artnet from the lighting desk over rj45 in to our very expensive fiber converters then back out to a artnet to dmx splitter

[tame carbon]

the actual modulation was written in avr-atmel assembly xD

because I couldn't get the timing right

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thats an event ive worked on

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@radiant shell btw, fiber has more latency than copper does

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our venue has one of the biggest dante install networks in the world

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the extra layer in signal conversion actual makes short distance cable runs faster with copper than on fiber

latency-wise

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not these converters

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Well, you must be using SFP to terminate those fibers

that signal conversion, is slower if first converted to fiber

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if it was normal tcp/ip traffic over fiber yes it would

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ethernet.

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thats what we use

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https://i.imgur.com/QCoVPUX.png

These ^

Are your fiber modules

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those are madi audio interface

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fiberCON?

I see etherCON as well

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Yea fibercon

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circular interfaces wat

;-;

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https://www.neutrik.com/en/products

locks like XLR/DMX 5 pin

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https://i.imgur.com/0saBGsq.png

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and poweCON

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propietary af

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not really

You can plug in a standard RJ45 cable into etherCON

you just get reinforced & locking

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https://www.neutrik.com/en/neutrik/products/opticalcon-fiber-optic-connection-system/opticalcon-advanced/opticalcon-quad

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Which is important for onstage for us

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4 fibers

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Most professional equipment you'll see etherCON/have the choice

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the big metal housing doesnt break off like the plastic clip on rj45

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^

the etherCON connections on our jumbotron controller lol

There's even locking USB lol

https://www.neutrik.com/en/neutrik/products/multimedia-connectors/usb

@radiant shell You guys doing video over IP?

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maybe.....

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😄 nice

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we can route over 1000 3g-sdi signals in our venue

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nice

converting sdi to other mediums?

or going right into a router lol