networking

[tame carbon]

einstein says no.

@lunar spade Computer -> Switch -> Router:

crystal@private:~$ ping 192.168.88.1
PING 192.168.88.1 (192.168.88.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.143 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.182 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.134 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.144 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.207 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_seq=6 ttl=64 time=0.134 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.1: icmp_seq=7 ttl=64 time=0.149 ms

the connections are fiber optics.

let me add 1 more step, to the downstairs wifi router, that one is on copper.

64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=10 ttl=64 time=0.250 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=11 ttl=64 time=0.209 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=12 ttl=64 time=0.234 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=13 ttl=64 time=0.227 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=14 ttl=64 time=0.281 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=15 ttl=64 time=0.201 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=16 ttl=64 time=0.195 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=17 ttl=64 time=0.175 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=18 ttl=64 time=0.208 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=19 ttl=64 time=0.214 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.88.4: icmp_seq=20 ttl=64 time=0.226 ms

average is a bit higher... but its still less than 1ms in total

[lunar spade]

I was being sarcastic with the ping being long

[tame carbon]

nah

but its a good question nontheless ;)

crystal@private:~$ ping 127.0.0.1
PING 127.0.0.1 (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.022 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.022 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.029 ms
64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 time=0.022 ms

Even localhost has some latency to it

[lunar spade]

Intresting though, i thought it would be 2-7

[tame carbon]

faster cpu is obviously lower latency :D

Its IPC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-process_communication

wifi adds a lot of latency

especially with a crappy access point or poor signal

https://i.imgur.com/gAZznaS.png

phone is my pocket right now, and my body is inbetween me and the AP, and there's 2 walls

still 58 mbit, not bad

lets try ping :)

Pinging 192.168.88.88 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.88.88: bytes=32 time=456ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.88.88: bytes=32 time=267ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.88.88: bytes=32 time=26ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.88.88: bytes=32 time=729ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.88.88: bytes=32 time=74ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.88.88: bytes=32 time=574ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.88.88: bytes=32 time=121ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.88.88: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=64

total garbage

[lunar spade]

K thanks

[dense furnace]

ooof

[lone sun]

🤔 makes sense

[lunar spade]

I got the 24 port network switch and i got all 20 ethenert jacks plugged in now

my network speed is 750

im able to get 760 and same with my borthers pc, but my dads pc only gets 100 megabits per second, i double checked the cable and it is CAT 5E, what could be the reason

he has a Ryzen 5 3600 in his machine

[willow hinge]

I want to upgrade my home network. I have recently been experienceing internet slowdowns on the wired devices. So I want to upgrade the entire network with ethernet cables and multiple wireless access points. any recommendations?

[peak cloak]

it's the cablle 100%

100mb is the difference between 1000Base-T and 100Base-T

or the pc

[lunar spade]

how is it the cable

i already checked, and it is Cat 5E

[peak cloak]

is it certified cat5e

check another cable

because the connectors may not be crimped properly

check the connectors

I have cat5e wired here

[lunar spade]

It is certified, and was bought just today, its a 25 foot cable

[peak cloak]

try another one

could also be the ethernet card

[lunar spade]

I dont have any other 25ft cables

[peak cloak]

on the PC

try the 25ft cable on your pc

to verify it works

[lunar spade]

I doubt its the board

I have the exact same board

[tame carbon]

@willow hinge unifi if you want an easy setup, mikrotik if you want to have more options, but its bit more involved to setup

mikrotik also much cheaper

one of the mikrotik devices (usually the router) acts a controller to the wireless access points

generally pretty easy to setup

https://mikrotik.com/products/group/wireless-for-home-and-office

cAP ac for wireless APs, and a router, that really depends on your needs

[lunar spade]

@peak cloak i get 700-800

[peak cloak]

same port on the switch?

just to make sure

if everything works fine then it's the PC

[lunar spade]

The switch is in my basement, the 2 pc are upstairs

[peak cloak]

still

try on the same port

[lunar spade]

So no they are different ports

[peak cloak]

to verify the port isn't the issue

[lunar spade]

I dont know which port goes where

There is 17 of them

[peak cloak]

find it

and label your cables

for next time

[lunar spade]

They are unlabeled, and were installed 15 years ago

[peak cloak]

you sure the cable in the wall isn't the issue

[lunar spade]

No idea

My house has Cat5e running through it, thats all i know

[peak cloak]

get a cable tester

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak mikrotik released a new device https://mikrotik.com/product/knot

[peak cloak]

it's really helpful for troubleshooting

[lunar spade]

How would that work

[peak cloak]

interesting

[lunar spade]

Since ethernet works on it, but at 10% the speed

[peak cloak]

tells you what pairs are good and if there are any faults

[peak cloak]

exactly

at 100mbps

100Base-T only requires 4 wires

(2 pairs)

1000Base-T requires all 8 wires (4 pairs)

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak huh. apparently this thing can use Modbus

which is an industrial protocol for things like smart meters and gas meters

it has gpio ports and can turn modbus into tcp

this is for things like site monitoring

if you have a temperature sensor or something else

[lunar spade]

So there is different physical cables?

[peak cloak]

no

cat5e is cat5e

but the way someone termianted it

show a pic of the termination

[lunar spade]

I have no idea what that means

[tame carbon]

@lunar spade cat5 is twisted pairs, cat5e is twisted pair and twisted core

[peak cloak]

termination is where the cable is crimped

[lunar spade]

The cable is Cat5e

[peak cloak]

ok

[tame carbon]

cat6 is twisted pair with twisted core around a plastic core

[peak cloak]

but show us the termination

[tame carbon]

cat6a is the same, with difference in metal shielding

this is for 10gbit

[peak cloak]

@tame carbon I feel it's something with the termination, some weird thing where they split one 5e into 2 100Base-T

[peak cloak]

the in wall cable

[tame carbon]

another one of those?

[peak cloak]

we know that cable is certified

[tame carbon]

what are you trying to do?

[peak cloak]

he only gets 100mbps

on his dad's pc I think

[tame carbon]

does the device he connect to support gigabit?

and vice versa?

[peak cloak]

he said it's the same motherboard as his

which works

[tame carbon]

yeah but the switch or router he's connected to?

is that gigabit?

[lunar spade]

Yes

[peak cloak]

in the basement

the termination

[tame carbon]

then its a busted line

[peak cloak]

yeah

or bad termination

or some weird split thing they did

[lunar spade]

I have no idea which cable goes where

They are unlabeled

[peak cloak]

ok

but show us a general view of the terminations

you said it's in the basement

[tame carbon]

you have fun with that

im going to bed

[lunar spade]

We have one werid split thing yeah

[peak cloak]

show a pic

[peak cloak]

no patch panel?

something like this is a patch panel

if not that's alright, just curious

[lunar spade]

Oh i just realized they are labeled

[peak cloak]

to know your setup

[lunar spade]

And i read “bathroom bedroom”instead of “bowness room” for the split one

[lunar spade]

We removed it

[peak cloak]

why...

[lunar spade]

Thats what we did

[peak cloak]

ok whatever

did you find the cable

[lunar spade]

Yes i said earlier

I relized they had writting

But the marker used was kinda smuged so i misread “Bonus Room” for something else

[peak cloak]

oh

ok

and this?

#networking message

[lunar spade]

There is the split

[peak cloak]

ok, and is that the cable from your dad's pc?

[lunar spade]

It goes to that room yes

[peak cloak]

if so, there's your answer

ok

that explains everything

[lunar spade]

Guess my dad is screwed then

[peak cloak]

what you can do is reterminate the cable to be one

and then

do to where the outlet is and reterminate that as well

[lunar spade]

Oh yeah that could work

[peak cloak]

problem is

you loose one outlet

because it looks like it's wired to 2

[lunar spade]

The other outlet is used for a TV/Console

[peak cloak]

see, yeah

if you reterminate it to gigabit then the other won't work

what you can do is buy a small switch

and put that in the room to split that cable to dad's pc and TV

and your dad will still get gigabit

[lunar spade]

Yeah

Thanks for the help

[willow hinge]

Thank you for the information

[hexed fox]

Any reason to throw cat 8 cables onto a home gaming setup?

[lilac knoll]

no

[peak cloak]

no

[peak cloak]

cat6 is enough

anything higher is really a waste

if you want overkill you go for fiber, lol

[hexed fox]

also what does this mean 16 10/100/1000Mbps Auto-Negotiation RJ45

[lilac knoll]

It can connect to 10/100/1000 mbps ports

[rocky badge]

16 ports that can operate at 10/100/1000Mbps automatically

[hexed fox]

looking to buy a switch for 3 PCs

[lilac knoll]

Older hardware may have 10/100 mbps ports; this means it is backwards compatible with those

[hexed fox]

ahhh

[rocky badge]

^^ or IoT stuff

but yeah, it works with any of those

[hexed fox]

you guys recommend any switches or is it mostly all the same stuff at a consumer level?

[rocky badge]

Just connecting multiple things, you don't need anything more?

[hexed fox]

yeah

router>switch>PCs

[rocky badge]

tbh a simple tplink/netgear should be fine

[peak cloak]

most is the same

unless you want anything advanced like vlans, etc.

[hexed fox]

Im curious, nothing that I'm gonna do today, but, if I have a patch panel and I wanna shoot ethernet to all the rooms in a house what would I be looking for within the panel?

[peak cloak]

I don't really understand your question? You have a patch panel? Or you want recommendations on one?

[hexed fox]

theres a weird patch panel set up in my friends house from a previous owner and they're trying to figure out how they'd be able to utilize it to get ethernet to all the wall jacks in the house

[peak cloak]

usually a patch panel should already be wired to around the house

the point of a patch panel is to terminate everything at one location

[hexed fox]

doesn't seem to be happening atm

[lilac knoll]

Cat7 in the walls; rj45 wall plates to the rooms; patch panel takes the cat7 from the rooms and you patch it to the switch

[peak cloak]

cat7 is a bit exesive

cat6 is perfectly fine

[lilac knoll]

You’re gonna want that 10gbps eventually and running cable is not fun

[rocky badge]

cat7 is not a standard

[peak cloak]

cat6 can do 10 gig

[rocky badge]

https://www.cablematters.com/blog/Networking/what-is-cat7-and-why-you-don-t-need-it

[peak cloak]

also anything above 10 gig, just use fiber

with fiber your limited more by transceivers than cable

[rocky badge]

for 10 gig I'm using fiber lol

but I can do 40 gig over it if I wanted to

[peak cloak]

yeah fr

I would too

[willow hinge]

Can I use a unmanaged POE+ switch with non poe devices like a computer

[lilac knoll]

For short cable lengths, DACs are faster

[peak cloak]

yeah

[willow hinge]

Thank you

[peak cloak]

poe checks if a device is poe before sending power

except for passive poe

watch out for that

that's why I don't like passive poe

[rocky badge]

802.3af/at/bt should

[peak cloak]

there's been cases of it not?

[rocky badge]

passive PoE can send voltages that may damage the device

but most conform to 802.3af/at/bt anyways

[peak cloak]

yeah, passive poe is annoying

[willow hinge]

can I use the netgear GS308P without issues, I cannot find anyting about it being passive, just wanting to make sure. I cannot find much online either.

or what would you reccomend,

[rocky badge]

That's fine

[willow hinge]

Thank you

[buoyant shell]

So I’m changing my Wifi channels will it affect anything around me because my speeds are faster but I’m curious if anything else is affected I changed it from Upper Channel 6 (40Mz) to Upper Channel 1 (40Mz)

[plain siren]

No, that change was transparent to you basically. It just happened to be that Ch. 1 was less crowded and as a result, better condition than 6 for you. It just tuned to a new freq and does its thing as normal

[buoyant shell]

Alright thanks cause my speeds were is kbps before and it’s like 30 Mbps which is near my advertised speed

Would ping also be affected along with my wireless and wired wifi extenders?

And what does lower secondary channels mean? Compared to upper

[plain siren]

Its just how they are logically partitioned for identification (Lower and Upper. It literally relates to the Frequency [High or Lower of the Band]) The channels are there to allow for many AP's to sit next to each other and not talk over each other. Think of your local RF Environment as a Telephone Switch from back then. There is a limited amount of channels. You got many people making calls near you (Your RF Environment). So in order for lets say 5 people to talk at the same time without hearing each other, the band was split up into multiple "lines" (lets say 5 in this case, so 5 people, 5 channels)

Devices on the same channel that are WiFi AP's can actually see each other "Neighbors" as its called and learn to take times talking to they dont collide and talk at the same time. But the more AP's you have using the same channel, the longer an AP has to wait before sending out its info again.

[buoyant shell]

Oh ok thanks

[tawny flint]

hey guys will this https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B000W3V2TS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3JCEYBC5L8UJ8&psc=1 work with ReadyNAS PRo6

[tribal ferry]

Not going to explain the backstory behind this because its late, but would this coaxial cable be RG6?

Lists itself as “Series 6” on the cable, not sure if that identifies itself as RG6

[plain siren]

@tribal ferry Yes, thats another "marketing friendly" term used for RG6

[tribal ferry]

Was double checking, thank you!

[plain siren]

Seems you got a Belden Series 6 Plenum RG6 Cable

@tribal ferry https://secure.libertycable.com/RUB_IMAGES/images/spec/BEL9118 Specification.pdf Your cable

[tribal ferry]

Yeah, I’m running some cabling in my basement into my new server room for my modem.

Was testing a splitter to make sure it worked and this was the only cable laying around, I’ll go around and pick up a longer cable tomorrow.

[thick minnow]

Zerxal, what are you running a server room for?

[tribal ferry]

Homelab

Converting a closet into my homelab center

[thick minnow]

what OS's are you going to run?

[tribal ferry]

ProxMox

[plain siren]

I put my HomeDC in my Attic, cba to move everything to basement

[tribal ferry]

I’ve picked up an R420 and MicroTik switch for this

Will move the rest of my unifi hardware down here as well to prevent the amount of heat going into my office

[tribal ferry]

Your attic is going to get hot fast

[plain siren]

Its a finished attic with its own 1T HVAC Unit

[tribal ferry]

Ah alright

Yeah, my basement is naturally cold

Have an A/C down there coincidentally, will be helpful if things get a tad too hot in the summer

[plain siren]

I got 3 Racks up in my attic rn, its putting out enough heat to raise the temp from 74 to 79 while HVAC is on full blast + the exhaust fans/vents in the server room running

[tribal ferry]

3 racks?

three 42U racks?

[plain siren]

48

[tribal ferry]

For what?

[plain siren]

42U + 6U Net Box stack attachments

[thick minnow]

i get too frustrated with servers. I just shut my pc down when i'm done with it

[tribal ferry]

How much do you pay in electricity?

How much per kWh?

[plain siren]

Lots of shit tbh. For example; I dont have storage in any of my workstations/PC's

Its all network boot over the 100Gbit uplinks to the High BW Fiber Switch + the NVMe Flash SAN Array (Over a 400Gbit Backbone)

I get bored

I can run virtual desktops and network stored user profiles/roaming profiles quite easily. It makes it easy to modify (even heavily) and configure/update the environments to meet needs.

[tribal ferry]

I definitely considered running mmf to interconnect my basement and second floor but the current cable works fine for now

If I ever run a 10G backbone for aggregation I’ll have to rerun the outdoor cabling to be cat 6

What fiber switch do you use?

Something from Cisco or Juniper, or a different manufacturer?

[plain siren]

7504R3 Aristas

[tribal ferry]

How much did that cost you?

[plain siren]

about 281,000

Dont ask

[tribal ferry]

$281k?

[plain siren]

Base model is 204K

[tribal ferry]

[plain siren]

Im running an ISP out of my house to the rest of the neighborhood.

[tribal ferry]

USD?

OH

[plain siren]

Yes USD

[tribal ferry]

Okay

That makes more sense

Thought this was purely for home servers

[plain siren]

I got 6/8 x 100G Fiber Uplinks to the local IX, dark fiber

[tribal ferry]

How did you go about getting 100G fiber to your home?

[plain siren]

Money

If you can get it from an ISP, you bury the cable yourself

[tribal ferry]

Guessing you live quite close to a large metro area?

[plain siren]

it was 31 miles of cable

Im in the Greater area of a large metro area and I wanted Direct to T1 access

[tribal ferry]

Are you in your local IX?

Oh

Didn’t see that message haha

My god I cannot imagine how much 31 miles of cabling would cost

[plain siren]

Yeah, I rent space for access links and even offer IP Transit and Peering options to everyone else in the cab

[tribal ferry]

Wouldn’t it be more cost effective to colocate all of your hardware?

[plain siren]

I have to be able to aggregate all the homes here physically

[tribal ferry]

The datacenter would already have those dark fiber uplinks or be significantly closer

[plain siren]

I aint using a PON Network to serve uplinks to customers, I am using Active Fiber so each customer is a port/dedicated link.

The IX was the DC.

I just made a direct link from the DC (Which hosts the IX) closest to me with T1 full spec offerings and my physical location

Latency is an extra 4ms

[vale reef]

I thought you were planning a UDMP

[plain siren]

Hahaha, I ditched all that Unifi Shit

[tribal ferry]

So, is the core of your network at the IX and your home is just a switching area to aggregate the connections to clients?

[vale reef]

What did you replace it with

[tribal ferry]

I apologize if I’m being nosy, this is just really neat lol

[plain siren]

At the end of the day, I can use Vyatta VM's and prob do some Infra as Code shit and get better results

[tribal ferry]

Why Vyatta over something like pfsense?

[plain siren]

Infra as Code, SDN

[vale reef]

@plain siren #public-chat message
How did you go from unifi to 100gb fiber in 4 days

[plain siren]

That was POC for another house

I used my own previous layouts

[vale reef]

"My wallet has been burning for the past 2 months... Oh well."

[tribal ferry]

Is the core of your network at the IX and your home is just a switching area to aggregate the connections to clients?

[plain siren]

Indeed. You see all the amazon shit I was messing with

[plain siren]

Its a node in the mesh

[vale reef]

Wait how does dark fiber have a speed though, isn't dark fiber unused strands?

[tribal ferry]

Dark fiber is unused fiber, yeah

You can purchase wavelengths of it

[plain siren]

Or privately owned but shared conduit

[vale reef]

then how does it have a speed

[plain siren]

Limitations of the uplink?

[vale reef]

Ok

@plain siren Do you have any pics of the fiber or your network? It sounds super interesting

[tribal ferry]

Was about to ask to see if there’s any diagrams of the full network lol

[plain siren]

I can prob get the ones the contractor sent me, I know I printed them and stuck them in the filing cab lol

[vale reef]

You don't have any on your phone?

Oh sorry nvm you were talking about just fiber

My b

[plain siren]

I have a total of 2 pics on my phone rn

[tribal ferry]

Of the fiber?

[plain siren]

Anyways think of a ring/spiderweb mesh of router/switch ISP Dist grade hunks of machines. One of the physical locations was my place but they are physically placed around the neighborhood to reduce total amount of cable needed.

[tribal ferry]

I’m guessing the dark fiber goes to the IX, and from there is the 31 mile cable to your home?

[plain siren]

Yeah its basically a really long WAN Link

Although 2 strands are directed to another router on same side but opposite the cross way at the corner of the neighborhood to ensure high avail.

[tribal ferry]

Don’t know if you know anything about this, but there’s a fiber strand that runs along the road parallel to my house.

The only company I know offering fiber from it to my home is xfinity, are these sort of cables owned by companies or the township?

I have a hard time believing only one company offers service out of it

[plain siren]

AT&T Pays for 80 Gbit 99.999% Uptime Transit permissions so thats nice.

Ok so this really depends

The "Core" or "Backbone" network which ties ISP's that you normally interact with together is the the T1 Providers. They own the cables and make up the submarine and main cross-nation data line.

[tribal ferry]

Yep, the major providers

AT&T, Comcast, CenturyLink

[plain siren]

The bigger consumer/business ISP's that are B2C and B2B such as AT&T, Comcast, etc, will alot of the time own their shit

Actually the T1 Providers is L3, Hurricane Electric, tata, etc

[tribal ferry]

Cogent, yeah

The main thing that throws a red flag is that I live quite rural but the road is trafficked decently

I’m not in suburbia

[plain siren]

They usually own partial of many of the DC's that make up the IXs and hold them. Usually ownership is shared amongst the T1 or some other company that is partnered just to make said DC.

Ofc AT&T and so on have their own major backbones and DC's but they have at least 50% of their network spread across these "co-tier" networks

Then you have your smaller players

They resell ISP plans basically

There is times when ISP's will partner and take shared ownership of cables too

Usually to split costs, make a project actually within budget if split, etc

Much like Pipelines, Gas Lines, and Electrical Grids works too

More than likely Comcast or whoever does own that fiber line next to you, but I bet they would sell some of the bandwidth to another provider if asked

Its the real-estate that holds value

[tribal ferry]

It’s an above ground cable

Who would I contact to find who owns the cable?

Comcast or the township?

[plain siren]

Your Tax Office may be a good start

They usually can show Easement Use Directories

[tribal ferry]

I’m not looking to buy some major 100G connection, just see if there’s anyone who can potentially provide fiber to me besides Comcast

Alright, would that be the only place or anywhere else?

[plain siren]

https://broadbandmap.fcc.gov/#/

Most providers are filing 477's now so if its an option, itll show up here

[tribal ferry]

Yeah, I’ve checked there before

Fiber does not show up for any of them

[plain siren]

When was the fiber delployed?

[tribal ferry]

I do not know

But I can look out my window right now if it was day and see a white optiloop plainly in the air

One of these things

[plain siren]

Ahh

[tribal ferry]

And it has to be on the road, I’ve contacted Comcast and they’ve confirmed that Gigabit Pro is available at my address

[plain siren]

And most likely they have some sort of deal with local politicians that will allow them to hold ownership of that fiber infra and block other installations

Oh shit did I say that out loud?

[tribal ferry]

Haha

More I’m looking to see if I can avoid $300/month + $1k installation for 2G up/down

Installation cost I understand, but the monthly cost seems a lot

I have 1G down/50 up cable from Comcast at the moment, but maybe I can do better lol

[hollow marlin]

300/month for 2g/2g is not unreasonable depending on what is lighting the fiber. Also they are not holding on to prevent installs, once you license a slot on the pole, you own it until you sell it or go under. Little is stopping another ISP from licensing another slot (vertical position on the pole)
Just contact your county office and ask who is licenced on the pole, it's public information.

[tribal ferry]

Yeah, it’s not a pon connection either as I’ve mentioned before, full unshared fiber.

Not sure if I can get it any cheaper than what comcast lists for it

They do lock me into a 2-year contract with it, though.

[hollow marlin]

That's just called AE, typically reserved for business customers but not uncommon to see it for residential. I'd just see what you can find who is on the pole

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin hai hai. question for you.
What outdoor AP do you recommend for omni directional connectivity?

I was leaning towards the metal 52 ac

It'll be backed by a 1000/500 fiber link. And there will be around 200 users over a wide area

Also wondering if an RB4011 would be fast enough to handle the queueing (since each user would be limited to a certain speed)

They also sell those mAnt sector access points, though they are only 5GHz. and I am unsure if its useful to have a 5GHz only public hotspot..

[desert briar]

You going for all mikrotik infrastructure? @tame carbon

[tame carbon]

@desert briar that was the plan

I need to set up three networks

a private one for the owners of the business

a business network for the computers and POS systems

as well as a public hotspot, with a captive portal (german laws and whatnot require this)

Now i know mikrotik can do that captive portal bit, its just a matter of selecting the right hardware

and I'd like to have a single AP type, in the case of damage or repairs (I cant be on site, since its a 4 hour drive)

I just want to have a single AP type, we can just deploy as we want

[desert briar]

if you want to traffic shape cant you just do it on the switch?

[tame carbon]

only way I know of limiting traffic is with queues

backbone is just gigabit ethernet

[desert briar]

Yeah well, queues = traffic shaping

[tame carbon]

I wanted to use the RB4011 for this

[desert briar]

I wonder though, no idea how tik performs

[tame carbon]

It can do 10G xD

without hw accel

[desert briar]

Yeah well, question is whether it can handle shaping

i guess it all goes to the CPU

[tame carbon]

@desert briar I'm using it here at home for two tenants

to limit them to 50/50

at full load on their line, its 1% cpu

so I think its safe to assume, It can do it.

The issue is more one of selecting wireless APs

[desert briar]

Well, in that case I think you will be fine. But its better to wait for juan to say his thoughts, he is the man after all

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/RBMetalG-52SHPacn

I was considering these ^

[desert briar]

I only have a mikrotik swith and a small RB2011 router

[tame carbon]

the RB4011 is the big bad brother of the 2011

it has 10G and a faster cpu

[desert briar]

Yeah I know, its also the big bad brother when it comes to price

[tame carbon]

$190 ?

I think thats laughable in comparison to many other vendors

[desert briar]

Yeah well, I know. Still. I guess if you work fulltime and can afford it

[tame carbon]

Budget for this whole network is around 3000-4000 at the most

Cable laying is not an issue, since we have an excavator on site

@desert briar the current ISP that operates there, uses a 2.5km p2p antenna

they own and operate the public wifi as well (with overpriced vouchers)

and its crappy 20mbit/s

[desert briar]

Im just surprised u can get those speeds. My ISP wont sell anything more than 1000/100, despite having a fiber optic cable

Would be nice for hosting

[tame carbon]

they use p2p for the wifi covarage over the area

[untold elbow]

do you need to design/build a NAS? 😄 because i can help with that 😄

[tame carbon]

@untold elbow nah its just an internet solution

[untold elbow]

😦 ok ill leave

[tame carbon]

its my dad's camping lol

they dont even have sewer installations

[desert briar]

Maybe one day when I wont be limited to refurbished hardware 😛

[tame carbon]

twice a week a big tractor comes and pumps the sewage tanks

[untold elbow]

get that elon musk internet

[tame carbon]

they managed to pressure the local municipalities to run sewer systems

and at the same time, we found a business fiber operator

willing to peer with us

they will be running 5km fiber optics

[desert briar]

Thats pretty amazing tbh

[tame carbon]

my dad went to a convention last year, to look at what other business have in terms of wifi solutions

and those are all overpriced.

so I convinced my dad, that we can do it ourselves

[peak cloak]

When you mean peer? Does that mean you yourself need an ASN

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak details.. I don't know yet

[desert briar]

Oh, thats what I assumed

[peak cloak]

Ah ok

[tame carbon]

all I know is they deliver business internet

and support multiple IP addresses

which is important.

[desert briar]

Props to going mikrotik though, almost every small business I see in my area uses ubiquity

[peak cloak]

Because I thought when you peer you don't even get ips, you get ips from iana and you announce them?

[desert briar]

kind of takes the beauty away 😄

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I guess peering wasnt the right word

but either way, internet service.

1000/500

[peak cloak]

Ah ok

Nice

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak currently. they dont even have flatrate.

they pay 1,50/GB

its rediculous.

[desert briar]

ouch

[tame carbon]

yeah the ISP in the area is the only one

and he's a total ripoff.

[desert briar]

I pay 24 euros a month for 1000/100

before we had fiber we paid 30 for 10/5 DSL

[tame carbon]

@desert briar the ISP wasnt even willing to supply internet

not until we agreed that they would be allowed to sell wifi vouchers to the camping guests

those vouchers dont work half the time

and you get some stupid vouchers like 5GB for 2 days -.-

which is useless to most camping users

[desert briar]

Oh, thats why you want a captive portal. It was actually a requirement

[tame carbon]

@desert briar captive portal is primarily for law

we need to log MAC addresses and time of sign on

[desert briar]

Yeah well, law or not I dont think theres any other way to distribute internet with a "voucher" like access without a captive portal

[tame carbon]

@desert briar in the long term we're unsure as to what the plan was

probably gonna give everyone free internet

like 4mbit

and if they pay us extra

they get the full fat 50mbit/s

or something like that

The camping itself is in a valley, with no mobile phone service.

and its a big turnoff for young people

[desert briar]

I mean people camp to get away from tech and relax. If you give them 4mbit its perfectly sufficient to do their texting, maybe watch a video

[tame carbon]

@desert briar yeah thats what old people will say

but the next of kin they drag with them, don't agree

[desert briar]

but you just said there are no young people because theres no service!

and excuse me but Im 20

[tame carbon]

@desert briar 16-25

at full capacity there's around 1200 guests

majority over 40 ofcourse, but still they have families too

[desert briar]

Offtopic, what about covid? Thats a lot of people

[tame carbon]

well, season isnt in yet..

last year, they worked within covid restrictions

and actually had the best year ever.

only restrictions in place are "keep your distance" "1 person in kiosk at most"

and pool was also restricted

@desert briar but that's besides the point right now. We're offseason, so we can still do digging and infrastructure things

and we got word that the fiber operator will start digging operations soon

[desert briar]

Sounds like plan, sorry I couldnt be much help

also

good morning juan 😄

long time no see

[tame carbon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tJcfkLdPx4

[hollow marlin]

I have no experience with their WISP products. One of our WISP peers was all Mikrotik up in the mountains and while I did get pulled in to support him, I never saw what APs he was using

[hollow marlin]

Morning dude!

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin the current ISP that provides internet there, has a combination of metal ac's (the older variant) as well as those SXT-2's for backbone p2p

but there's at some points, 3 hops of p2p antennas

service is awful.

we're planning on running ethernet to them directly. and skipping on the p2p

[desert briar]

Goodluck man, hope you get your answers. Kinda out of my skill zone at this point

[tame carbon]

Well, I set out a query to my African friend

[desert briar]

Let me know if you need someone to wreck the network though

[tame carbon]

he's the one who taught me the mikrotik magic

and he sets up wireless networks in south africa

in rural areas

I think he spent a good weekend talking to me, teaching me all the ins and outs

everything else I managed to cobble together by tinkering and asking here :)

[desert briar]

Its always nice to run your ideas through with other peeps

[tame carbon]

@desert briar lol and he sits on a treasure trove of AFRINIC v4 prefixes.

[desert briar]

I seriously need to get back to my homelab, ive been neglecting it for the past month

Was working for something work related and now that project pretty much overtook my free time as im developing it further, building on top of it

[hollow marlin]

That like our campsite, they went all Unifi and its complete crap. I was going to offer rebuilding it on the side but don't feel like supporting it every time im there

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin I've had good experience with CAPsMAN, and thought i could scale it up big time

[desert briar]

I feel like ubiquity is like apple of networking. Great for users who want something good out of the box, but it doesnt give you much breathing room when it comes to advanced configurations

[tame carbon]

I know unifi has an easy way to do voucher based access

but mikrotik can do this too. with the only downside: API only.

so I'll have to write a small program they can use to manage these vouchers

@desert briar come to think of it. I haven't heard from my african friend in over a year now..

[hollow marlin]

These are the airMax series too which all I have read is complete garbage. Combine that with shooting through trees and 2-4 APs, its just a mess

[tame carbon]

I know he was struggling with dependency issues

hope he's still alive :/

[desert briar]

Hope he is well too. I met a guy on one of my courses like half a year ago too. His name was adam, he worked at cisco for 16 years, got laid off due to covid. One day he just complained about big abdominal pains

havent heard from him since

Messaged him on linkedin too. Wonder about him all the time

[tame carbon]

idek what substances he was taking.

His doc prescribed him stuff to deal with the pain from previous abuse

so he was already quite fucked

[desert briar]

fingers crossed man

[tame carbon]

weather today here is so weird

this morning we had an insane amount of downpour

then hail.

and then thunder

[hollow marlin]

Finally was warm enough yesterday all the snow melted and woke up to another inch of snow ffs. Never experience weird until you have thundersnow

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin Global warming yes :)

more unpredictable and extreme weather patterns

[clear igloo]

thundersnow, scare them peeps, thundersnow 10 feet deep

Never had thundersnow, would probably scare people to death in the south

[tame carbon]

@desert briar nah I think he's cool was last seen 21 days ago.

last time he check in on IRC

so he's around

[desert briar]

IRC damn man

Didnt use that in ages

[tame carbon]

I use it daily :P

keep in touch with friends

[desert briar]

Theres this whole stigma around irc, blackhat hackers using it and what not. People dont realize that most of the servers are plaintext

[tame carbon]

@desert briar thats why we use it

because its so simple

we dont need bells and whistles

and we've been using it for a long time

IRC also doesnt keep logs around

[desert briar]

Yeah, I feel you. For me novelty kinda wore off. But its a good platform for sure, if you know what ur getting into

Meh

anyone can say that

[hollow marlin]

Just got my fancy voice training certificate. Thats going straight on the fridge

[clear igloo]

Haha, frame it!

[hollow marlin]

Moms going to be so proud!

😆

[little schooner]

Last time I used IRC was for one mmo that didn't have a dedicated find groups features to do activities together with ppl. The game didn't have anything built it so people went over to IRC to make groups

[hollow marlin]

Now that this was done, up next is call routing and translations is next in 2 weeks which will be a blast. We're going national by the end of the year. Im lead for designing the network but I need to be familiar with the voice side of things as well. I am pretty familiar with the handoff side of things (SIP trunks, T1s, PRIs etc) but carrier routing is foreign to me

[little schooner]

Then years later the website came for groups and IRC just died

[desert briar]

Congrats

[thick minnow]

Wow congratulations, is this for a Cisco cert? Becoming a network engineer?

I'm working on some OpenShift certs this month, I'm not terrible at networking but it's definitely one of my weaker points. I think network engineers are underappreciated in the industry - and definitely well paid as hell.

[tame carbon]

software developers make more than network engineers

;)

[hollow marlin]

It was just a prerequisite vendor course for carrier voice. No testing or anything. I already have my NP for both Juniper and Cisco. Im a core engineer for an ISP but this project is quite large and the network engineers will be taking on a majority of it so we are going through some training to have somewhat of an understanding. I hate voice, but sadly I cannot escape it in the telco space

[tame carbon]

I like how the terminology on POSIX signals comes from the telco space

HUP Hang-Up

https://i.imgur.com/wgqXsmB.png

[hollow marlin]

Devops and security is where the money is make in the networking space. Engineers/architects have a low cap in scope of things.

[hollow marlin]

Wouldn't surprise me. A lot came from the early days of ATM

[tame carbon]

ya, but now you have a network. With no software to run on it :)

that software is usually the most expensive part, especially if its custom

[hollow marlin]

By expensive you mean man hours fixing their code right

lol

[tame carbon]

Yes.

@hollow marlin yeah but considering that individual features can take 2-4 hours to implement

that's about the largest timeframe you allocate for a task

@hollow marlin at all the previous employers, the network admin was usually 1 guy

offset by 8 or more developers

but you always need both :)

without a network engineer, the software developers can't do work

[hollow marlin]

Thats about right. Even smaller enterprises, only a few are needed. Hell my teams is 4 core engineers supporting 10,000s of customers across two states. Just need a NOC that handles the customers and some of the provisioning of the last mile circuit.

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin they hired an external company to do the devops. while the developers said they wanted to do it themselves

we just wanted a clustered jenkins machine, debian repo and maven repo

[hollow marlin]

There is a larger ISP the steam rolled in the north-east of the US and they don't have that much larger of a team

[tame carbon]

and didnt need a consultant to conclude the same thing

and then when the consultancy came

they didnt look at the build pipeline

they wanted to make CD before we even had CI

I scoffed, told them good luck.

they had a mess in their software stack, with dependencies manually installed

and they wanted to use ansible

[clear igloo]

who needs proper code when you have ansible 😄

[tame carbon]

@clear igloo I actually spend 3 months

rebuilding the packaging solution

so each of our components was its own debian package

with dependencies and all

acceptance pipeline was a full stack integration on a virtual machine using scripts

that installed the entire environment

but idk why they hired a consultant for this

we could have done it ourselves

[hollow marlin]

I need to just sit through the INE overview for Ansible before my subscription expires next month. Ill never use it but I guess I should have an understanding before its too late

[clear igloo]

Yup, take advantage of it while you can

[hollow marlin]

Basically just uses netconf right?

[clear igloo]

I'm not 100% sure myself, I need to dig into ansible too

I just checked on my INE account, I've apparently got 1100 rack tokens, lol

[tame carbon]

wow this is rad. you can play CIV multiplayer like this: https://i.imgur.com/Khfm9rs.png

split screen multiplayer

[hollow marlin]

discord movie night? lol
Nothing says Friday night parting like 8 hours of Ansible training

[clear igloo]

Yah!

[clear igloo]

@hollow marlin So, you'll love this, customer has been using catalyst 9000 switches for a while and just recently "found out" they have USB ports on them for console and FLIPPED their ever loving lids like it's some big evil thing anyone can just plug into and siphon data from or something. Like what about the ethernet console port that has been there for years? How about some AAA on the console port or some security in your data center instead? They asked, with a straight face, how can we remove the USB port from the box? Can we rip it out at the factory!?!

[hollow marlin]

lmao 😆

Wait to they find out most vendors have USB console in any equipment released over the past few years. I guess hoping that hackerman does not have a console cable is considered security.

[clear igloo]

Haha, USB just spews data when plugged into 😛

[hollow marlin]

I vaguely remember on r/networking someone mentioned they glued the console port on their equipment for physical security

[clear igloo]

Haha, that doesn't surprise me, a dead/shutdown port is the most secure port 😄

hackman can't get me if they can't get in to start with

[hollow marlin]

Thats the preferred method, we cant imaging going the route of RFID badges and locked doors for physical access

[clear igloo]

locked doors? That's evil!

[slate sonnet]

Hey all, so a couple days ago I setup a vps and setup wireguard to bypass a cgnat so that I can host a minecraft server. Could I technically setup a second minecraft server, add it to the wireguard connection and be able to connect to the second server too?

If I change the port of course

Since I don’t think I would be able to keep the same port

[hollow marlin]

Yep, just add a new PREROUTNIG and POSTROUTING rule like before with the new src. port. I can't remember the exact rules you had but you might have to tweak some of the iptables rules depending how you have WG setup

[slate sonnet]

So basically add a new ip into the wireguard config

And copy paste the rules I have for my pc but with a different port

Correct?

[peak cloak]

it's more of iptables than wireguard

show your current iptables on the vps

[slate sonnet]

1 sec

[grave fulcrum]

Someone told me to ask here

So my dad uses a mac to edit 4k+ videos and he uses a "LaCie Rugged Mini 2TB USB 3.0 (2.0)". It becomes chaos because he has 20+ of those. Is there a easier way to have a harddisk management or for example will a nas work?
that also will be fast at transferring files?****

[clear igloo]

Get a DAS or a good NAS and just do DAC cables for 10Gbit

A DAS will probably be cheaper if you don't need remote access since it's just a NAS without networking and you plug it right in but I haven't looked at a DAS system in forever so not 100% sure on that price comparision

[rocky badge]

I want a NAS :(

[peak cloak]

yeah what lurick said, a NAS or DAS would be good. Just make sure to always have offsite backups

[clear igloo]

I thought you had one

[rocky badge]

Nope

@clear igloo I need a new 10 gig switch

[clear igloo]

lol

[grave fulcrum]

And will a nas and a das system be the same speed?

[clear igloo]

Depends on the NAS and DAS and drives you get

[peak cloak]

nas is also limited by network speed

you would want 10 gig

[clear igloo]

yup

[grave fulcrum]

can you use wired nas?

[peak cloak]

yeah you WANT to

never wifi

[grave fulcrum]

so the nas just goes directly into the pc

[peak cloak]

you can, or use a switch

[clear igloo]

a DAS goes direct to the PC, a NAS CAN go direct or not

[slow pivot]

I am shocked you don't have a SAN tbh

[tame carbon]

ez win https://i.imgur.com/ENhoUqp.jpg

@grave fulcrum a NAS is for a multiuser environment. The moment multiple machines need access, it is superior

[rocky badge]

Lol

@clear igloo so I tried the second ethernet port on my ONT

It is active, but probably not bridged to the GPON connection

Since I don't get an IP from it

[clear igloo]

Sounds about right

[hollow marlin]

Yeah, ONTs are provisioned at the port level for services. Its actually a pain configuring a bridge on Adtran ONTs between the ports

Also prevents the customer from looping up at their ONT because STP is not to be run past the PE

[rocky badge]

Oof

@clear igloo @slow pivot I'd love a NAS/SAN for VM storage....

That's the only use I have for it tbh

But I'd want it to be all NVMe....

Since I love having local NVMe on my ESXi hosts

but $$$$

[slow pivot]

I am gonna have to increase my VM storage; almost filled 4TB of nvme now

[rocky badge]

:(

I only have 1.5TB of NVMe

[slow pivot]

Are you using it all atm?

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/GnkDkxUpEo.png

https://blob.rocks/ixqmmImiBy.png

[slow pivot]

Not too bad

You aren't near full is that is good :)

[rocky badge]

Lol

https://blob.rocks/gCY7gcgPcI.png

For 20 VMs

[slow pivot]

Yeah, I have a few more VMs atm

Plus about 10 client vms

[rocky badge]

I want more servers

but I want a rack first 😛

[slow pivot]

How many are you running now?

[rocky badge]

2 actual rack servers

2 random PCs I had around

[slow pivot]

That is pretty nice

I need to think about finding a proper rack at some point

[rocky badge]

my parents would kill me though

[slow pivot]

Although frankenrack is doing great

[rocky badge]

I also want a new UPS

This smol temp UPS is ok but not enough https://blob.rocks/b2y8GsX9aJ.png

Its only 600W

So that's around 420W used

https://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1500PFCLCD-Sinewave-Outlets-Mini-Tower/dp/B00429N19W/

Server UPS then make that the network UPS

Because its the servers that succing the wattage

[little schooner]

@slow pivot what NVMe drive are you using

[slow pivot]

960s and 970s

[little schooner]

Neat

[rocky badge]

nice, I'm using an ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro fo rmy main server and a PM981 for another

Looking at getting a WD Black SN750 for another server

https://blob.rocks/GroejqqhaX.png

[slow pivot]

Since a lot of the high speed storage is all client-related, the cost doesn't bother me. The performance and reliability mean more

[rocky badge]

I need the high IOPS

Because my DBs are on the NVMe SSDs

and Windows Servers

[slow pivot]

You should pass through smaller nvme drives then for the best performance

[rocky badge]

Its still snappy 😛

[carmine moss]

adata xpg sx8200 pro are nice ssd runnin them best value where i am

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/0kmswpGIKx.png

👌 😩

[slow pivot]

Oouf

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/gCyRLQBusM.png

[slow pivot]

That is still kinda slow latency

[rocky badge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Better than HDDs and SATA

[slow pivot]

True

And that is averaged over all seeks/writes

[rocky badge]

https://blob.rocks/tXQTTrbddV.png

[slow pivot]

Dang

The heck are those numbers :P

[rocky badge]

Lol

Fine for Windows Server 😛

Running AD DS

[slow pivot]

Rnd4k seems really high

[rocky badge]

And MySQL performance is fine for my usage lol

[slow pivot]

Yeah I wasn't saying they are garbage numbers, I meant they seem really high

[rocky badge]

Ah lol

Idk if ESXi does memory caching or whatever

I don't think it does tho

[slow pivot]

Ah that might be it

It is possible

[rocky badge]

Shock surprise 970 Evo is around the same as a PM981 😂 https://blob.rocks/NzbDxQ4vim.png

[slow pivot]

Especially given the way CDM does benchmarking

[rocky badge]

one with the black title bar is the 970 Evo

on my desktop IOPS....970 Evo https://blob.rocks/nzTo46IKwS.png

[clear igloo]

Needs some PCIe 4.0 😄

[rocky badge]

lol

[rocky badge]

:p

[lilac knoll]

Are there any remoting solutions that do higher than 60 fps

[rocky badge]

Parsec

[wheat solstice]

Anyone recommend any good APs that are suitable for a larger house? Looking for something that does handover well. I believe that means I want 802.11r?

[rocky badge]

How many APs

[wheat solstice]

honestly not sure since I haven't moved in yet, 524m² over 2 floors. I'm guessing I'm gonna need at least 4.

[rocky badge]

so ~1.7ksqft

[wheat solstice]

524m² is 5640sqft

[rocky badge]

wait yeah m2

And you have Ethernet to spots?

[wheat solstice]

yea

[rocky badge]

Anything in particular you want besides 11r?

WiFi 6? Single management? Easy? More involved?

[tame carbon]

Cost

[wheat solstice]

nothing I can think of I'd need that was special. I'd like it to be decent and I have money to spend, Wifi 6 would certainly be nice, I'm looking at microtik gear atm so yea

[rocky badge]

^Also yeah, cost?

Also, where are you putting them

[wheat solstice]

🤷 these things don't seem to be super expensive, even the unifi wifi 6 ones are like £130... so yea

[rocky badge]

Ceiling? Wall?

Yeah the UniFi WiFi 6 ones are nice

[wheat solstice]

could be either, the place has ethernet wall sockets in most rooms, but I'd be open to running more cables to get them on the ceiling. Mostly just learning about my options atm

won't be moving for a month so just hitting the prosumer network gear learning curve early 🙂

[rocky badge]

if you wanted WiFi 6, the U6 Lites are €79 excluding VAT

What are the interior walls

Drywall?

[wheat solstice]

That's interesting, I was looking at the unifi ones and not sure which to get. Would I not want the HD ones?

[rocky badge]

HD = high density

[wheat solstice]

honestly not sure, it's a 2009 new build so I'd guess drywall, but can't be sure

[rocky badge]

Probably drywall then

[wheat solstice]

I know the floor for the upstairs is solid concrete though, so that's gonna ruin the day 😂

[rocky badge]

Yeah, are you gonna have APs on that level?

or going to try and rely on the floor below it lol

[wheat solstice]

yea I will, imagine it will be required for good functionality

there's ethernet ports up there anyway so no reason why not

[rocky badge]

https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-access-points/products/unifi-ap-6-lite
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329068706019934218/817108482062024755/image0.png

834Mbps local from U6 Lite to iPhone 11 pro

in a real home environment

[wheat solstice]

fancy, should do the job nicely. Can I run the unifi controller software to manage them if all I have is APs?

[rocky badge]

Yeah

You can run the controller software on Windows, Linux, macOS. Or buy their dedicated hardware controller

And it doesn't need to be on 24/7, that's only if you want real time/historic stats or captive portal

[wheat solstice]

yea I already had a fiddle with it in docker, have a home server so it'll live there happily.

[rocky badge]

Ah yeah

But for the price....they're pretty nice

[wheat solstice]

so basically:

RB2011UIAS-RM (Router)
MikroTik CRS328-24P-4S+RM (For powering PoE cameras and ethernet ports around the house)
MikroTik CSS610-8G-2S+IN (For my office, can get 10G into my home server/nas)

• however many unifi 6 lites I need

And I'm set I think \o/

[rocky badge]

👌

I also put an AP outside

[tame carbon]

@wheat solstice RB2011 is pretty old. I wouldnt get that one

[rocky badge]

because why not 😂

I get pretty decent speeds outside too 😂 ~400Mbps in the yard...

[wheat solstice]

@tame carbon what would you recommend?

@rocky badge nice, I was thinking I might have to get another AP to cover the yard. Time will tell lol

[tame carbon]

@wheat solstice either an RB4011 or a hEX S

[rocky badge]

Also....multi user is pretty good too

[tame carbon]

@rocky badge do you have any experience with mikrotik outdoor APs ?

[rocky badge]

I can get ~200Mbps+ on two devices simultaneously on the same AP

[wheat solstice]

@tame carbon that explains, I searched for RB4011 (you mentioned it before) and I got a RB2011 in the results and missed the difference 😂

[rocky badge]

no lol I only use unifi outdoor

and I don't use mikrotik aps at home

[tame carbon]

@wheat solstice differences are striking. https://i.imgur.com/Rdut6XD.png

RB2011 ^

[rocky badge]

pretty good for a 3x3 AP lol

Both phones pushing the same AP

[tame carbon]

RB4011: https://i.imgur.com/zHOZSZ0.png

also has a very fast cpu, so you can do whatever you want it without it ever getting bottlenecked

[wheat solstice]

nice, only a few £ more so that works

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/hex_s

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo I wish I got more of these https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/usw-flex-mini

[tame carbon]

hEX S would be the cheaper alternative

https://i.imgur.com/GSO3Zg7.png

[rocky badge]

I'd love to throw them wherever I need to

[clear igloo]

buy 5 pack 😛

[rocky badge]

😂

[wheat solstice]

@tame carbon seems like unifi is the way to go with APs though? do you agree on that one too?

[rocky badge]

I'd also love to have one just in my backpack

[tame carbon]

if you want wifi 6 then you dont have a choice with mikrotik

they only have wifi 5 right now

[rocky badge]

Guess who you're asking

:P

[tame carbon]

🔥

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo My friend has 7 of them

[wheat solstice]

@rocky badge haha, I know he likes microtik, but nothing more than that 😂

[tame carbon]

full disclosure

[rocky badge]

lol

[tame carbon]

mtik routers are pretty sweet

[rocky badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/765292850219843645/795430320665133076/Capture_2021-01-03-18-15-59.png

[tame carbon]

unifi ap's are nice too

[rocky badge]

7 of then

[clear igloo]

why?!?!

[rocky badge]

All over his house....PoE powered

I just have the one...on my desk

[wheat solstice]

@tame carbon the hex S seems a lot cheaper and no real downside, since my internet will be 500mbit (1gbit coming "soon")... might as well use that?

[rocky badge]

Them being PoE powered tho is a really good selling point

and for $29....shit

[lilac knoll]

old aruba iaps pretty decent; not wifi6 though

[tame carbon]

@wheat solstice its a nice one yeah. both have SFP, though the RB4011 has SFP+ and is 10G ready

[rocky badge]

And it integrates with my existing UniFi network....even more shitttttt

[wheat solstice]

@tame carbon yea I was thinking that, but then since it doesn't have a second SFP+ port it's not as useful. I imagine by the time my ISP gets to >1gbit offerings there will be much better microtik gear for less money 🙂

[tame carbon]

@wheat solstice I use it with a 10G switch alongside

[rocky badge]

Never used Aruba at home...lmao

Although iirc some have a standalone option?

So you don't need the WLC

[lilac knoll]

Yes, the IAPs are standalone

[rocky badge]

ah are those the Instant line?

[wheat solstice]

@tame carbon do you need 10G on the router if you have 10G on the switch that everything is connected to anyway?

[rocky badge]

Tbh I'd kinda like a tunnel based controller setup for wireless lol

So runs to APs only have one VLAN

[lilac knoll]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/303874533050

[rocky badge]

And then all of the traffic is tunneled back to the WLC

Kinda like Cisco

[lilac knoll]

$40...

[lilac knoll]

Correct

[tame carbon]

oh wat

https://mikrotik.com/product/RB3011UiAS-RM

I haven't seen this one before, this is new

very strange

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo me can haz https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1439/1668/products/USW-Aggregation-PRO_001_1024x1024.png?v=1600764797 😛

[clear igloo]

Needs more ports

[rocky badge]

I wanna 10 gig everything

but uh

I need at least 9 SFP+ ports 🤣

Is 28 enough then?

[tame carbon]

@rocky badge https://mikrotik.com/product/crs326_24s_2q_rm

[rocky badge]

lol

[clear igloo]

no, 54 😛

[tame carbon]

24 ports

[rocky badge]

128!

[tame carbon]

$500

[rocky badge]

I wonder....if I could find a pair of Cisco switches that can mc-lag 😂

[lilac knoll]

Mellanox sx1024 ... 48 sfp+/12 qsfp (40/56gbps)

[clear igloo]

Catalyst 6500s 😄

[rocky badge]

O.O

@clear igloo Its gonna cost $350 for fiber/nics/transceivers alone

[clear igloo]

ooof

[wheat solstice]

If I have a setup like:

heX 5 (1 gbit ethernet) -> switch (10gbit SFP) -> other switch (10gbit SFP) -> home server
Does that mean that my server can do 10gbit on the LAN (well, at least, multiple 1gbit)? or does the heX 5 also need 10G?

[rocky badge]

Just wait until I'm out of my parents house and have my own place

😛

[clear igloo]

No, unless it's on a different subnet

and the switch isn't L3 capable

[rocky badge]

yeah ^

As long as its the same layer 2 domain

the switch should switch by MAC

And doesn't go through the router

[wheat solstice]

Ah I see, so on that basis if I wanted that functionality, I should upgrade to the RB4011 like Crystal said, plug the switch into the 10G SFP+ port on the RB4011, and then my home server can do 10G?

[rocky badge]

but if you're going across VLANs, the switch needs to be able to forward Layer 3 or router has the capabilities

[rocky badge]

is your server going to be on the same VLAN as your PC

if yes, you don't need 10 gig on the router

[clear igloo]

no going to be*

[wheat solstice]

this assumes I have learned about VLANs yet, still figuring that out 😂

but we'll go with yes, on the basis that I don't really need to separate things out.

[clear igloo]

if it's all one vlan then no 10g on the router, if different vlans then 10g on router is needed for 10g

[rocky badge]

^

[wheat solstice]

cool, thanks 🙂

learned a lot from you folks, been very helpful 🙂

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo Imagine building a house so large you need to stack access switches

[clear igloo]

😄

[rocky badge]

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409988

https://sponaugle.com/newhouse/IMG_7456s5.jpeg
like holy shit dude lmao https://sponaugle.com/newhouse/IMG_8099s5.jpeg

[clear igloo]

Are you SURE that's a home? 😛

[rocky badge]

https://sponaugle.com/newhouse/IMG_8591s5.jpeg yes its a home 😂

like jfc dude lmaooooo

[clear igloo]

wow, yah

A buddy at work just built his home, ran over 5000' of cable and I thought that was a lot

[rocky badge]

This guy says he has miles of cables...

and I believe it

[lilac knoll]

It’s not just a house ... includes a shop too

[rocky badge]

Yeah...

@clear igloo like the shit dude 😂 https://sponaugle.com/newhouse/IMG_0101s6.jpeg

[clear igloo]

I think the economical thing at that point is a 100Gb link into the home and host the servers in a DC 😛

[rocky badge]

😂

[clear igloo]

Like imagine not having a raised floor data center in your home

[lilac knoll]

Dude’s got a ton of land. Just needs some tesla batteries and a solar array

[rocky badge]

When you need a p2p bridge to get networking on your PROPERTY

@clear igloo When the networking and storage is probably the cheapest part of that house

Because a lot of that could've been from eBay for "cheap"

[clear igloo]

Yah, looking at the thread I can only imagine the cost of building that house

[rocky badge]

millions

Given the future of electric cars, I am putting 100 amp circuits on both sides of the upper garage (on a single shared 100amp breaker, but with low voltage wiring so two Tesla chargers can share), plus two 100 amp drops in the lower garage for the same thing. All of these will be off that dedicated 200 amp meter that does time of day, which means when the Teslas are programmed for charging after 10pm the cost per kWh goes down to about 5.5 cents.

``` shitttt

I saw somewhere he has 240v to the server room lol

[clear igloo]

Oh definitely

[tame carbon]

Instead of bickering which mikrotik is best for an outdoor setup

[rocky badge]

I got my first shipment of low voltage wire. 50,000 ft of Cat 6A and Cat 6, lots of speaker wire, security wire, and about 2600m of fiber. My low voltage trailer is coming along!

[tame carbon]

Im just gonna buy one

[rocky badge]

50k ft of Cat6(A)

[tame carbon]

so I bought the metal 52ac, probably going to test it, see how well it does

[clear igloo]

8500 ft of fiber ffs!

[rocky badge]

https://sponaugle.com/newhouse/IMG_0683a.jpg
https://sponaugle.com/newhouse/IMG_0681a.jpg

jfc

first shipment

[clear igloo]

That's enough to run ethernet to an airplane's cruising height with plenty to spare 😛

[rocky badge]

lmao

[clear igloo]

I was scared those would say navepoint at first 😛

[rocky badge]

😂

[clear igloo]

monoprice good

[rocky badge]

Electrical panels are getting populated. There are a total of 9 panels in this house, so lots to do.

https://sponaugle.com/newhouse/IMG_6322s4.jpeg

@clear igloo holyyyyy

[clear igloo]

why even bother with mm at that point

[rocky badge]

ikr

I moved over my UPS for the server room. This is an 8/16 kVa APC Symmetra UPS that will be hardwired into a dedicated panel. All of the server room, the media room upstairs, and my office will be in the UPS.

https://sponaugle.com/newhouse/IMG_7342s5.jpeg

What internet does he even have coming into the house lol

[tame carbon]

@rocky badge btw there was a small update on the #OVHFIRE

according to them, the fire might have started in one of the UPSes

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[tame carbon]

which had received maintenance prior to the fire

so someone messed up xD

now I'm not so sure if Rouing was kidding xD

cus he said "that's what happens if you drop a screwdriver on a bus bar"

[lone marten]

Hi everyone! This is the firewall logs section on my router - any idea what this means/how to solve this?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/381193783296917507/820332983025795082/unknown.png

[tame carbon]

the firewall is dropping invalid packets

thats probably just random noise from the internet

[peak cloak]

says invalid state

normal for router to drop that

@lone marten https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/57423/how-to-understand-why-the-packet-was-considered-invalid-by-the-iptables

[lone marten]

Get lots of them, just traced the IP and it seems mostly from Google and Facebook (source IP)
Any idea whether this is harmful/needs checking? The internet (both wifi as ethernet) are both drastically slow last couple of days - no idea why

[peak cloak]

iirc source can be spoofed

[tame carbon]

rip https://i.imgur.com/XDyxt6V.png

[dusky rover]

when is rgb becomming a standard in racks

[rocky badge]

lol