networking

[tame carbon]

its not a full tcp/ip stack

but you can use it for telemetry, logging and remote site communication

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoRa

like 10km range

@peak cloak https://lora-developers.semtech.com/uploads/documents/images/Topology.png

This is kinda the idea ^ You have your own, or public gateways

each gateway handles message passing, to some internet service, on which your application runs

typical to run this with MQTT

[smoky estuary]

Just had to factory reset my raspberry pi because raspbian became corrupted after running pi-hole for a year and a half straight with a few occassional restarts (that were intentional)

[peak cloak]

sounds like a bad sd card

[waxen saddle]

This is why I disable a lot of the logging on my PiHole. It wears on the SD card.

[tame carbon]

@smoky estuary you should disable write caching on your pi, that prevents random corruptions like that

power cycling without a shutdown can cause corruptions

ideally the filesystem would be readonly.

[little schooner]

Wish my IoT devices supported more than WPA2 psk and 2GHz

[tame carbon]

@little schooner no PEAP?

[little schooner]

Not that either

It's WPA2 and 2ghz only

[tame carbon]

@little schooner does it have ethernet?

[little schooner]

It's geeni smart power outlet

No ethernet no

[tame carbon]

oh

@little schooner lol damn, I would never get this xD

[little schooner]

It's terrible

[tame carbon]

only acceptable solution for me

[little schooner]

When it's off wifi long enough it refuses to reconnect

[tame carbon]

would be a box with relays

and rj45 ethernet

preferably artnet

[little schooner]

More reliable than I got for sure

[tame carbon]

artnet is kinda designed for this

ment for controlling lights and such in your home or on stage

[peak cloak]

I just want a simple ethernet contolled outlet

you can make a wifi outlet but you can't make a cheap ethernet outlet

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak well, would be cool to have a system that uses dlan

so instead of using it to tunnel ethernet

we could use it to control other devices on the same power grid

[plucky crescent]

So is the mikrotik hex not capable of high speed queue routing? Why would my speeds tank to 50mbps when I disable fast track?

[hollow marlin]

Because its now hitting the CPU. I think the hex is a lowered clock single core

[tame carbon]

@plucky crescent 50mbit sounds a bit low

my RB4011 pushes 10gbit regardless

routed between two subnets on a vlan

[plucky crescent]

That is the tough time I am having. With fast track off, my bandwidth dies. With it on, the queue doesn't work.

[tame carbon]

though way different cpu architecture

@plucky crescent yep.

you can't use queues with fastpath

You'd need a more powerful router

[plucky crescent]

So I cannot Qos my internet without choking the life out of it?

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/Oy6rXJI.png

[plucky crescent]

So what is the difference between fast path, and fast track?

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/UdkG7dj.png

@hollow marlin here was the specifics on bridge ^

@plucky crescent #networking message

wait

@plucky crescent queues use bandwidth shaping

[hollow marlin]

I know whats required, its the forwarding aspects. Such as this:

Of how its handling the bridge fast path with say two bridges at L2

[hollow marlin]

What is your config? It can easily be a configuration issue too.

[plucky crescent]

so if I have a queue running, will it just fastpath single tcp connections for dumps, but still manage the traffic with the queue? I'd be fine with that if that were the case.

[tame carbon]

Its just simple queues and global queues

[hollow marlin]

No, once queuing is enable, fastpath is disabled

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin entirely?

[hollow marlin]

Yep

[tame carbon]

Yeah, kinda makes sense

since the whole idea of fastpath, is to avoid the cpu

but queue, uses system memory as buffer

[plucky crescent]

I gotta go to a meeting, will brb tho. I would really like to get this sorted if there's something I need to change.

[tame carbon]

@plucky crescent you need a bigger router to do this

more horsepowers

[hollow marlin]

You can though use fasttrack with certain traffic and simple queues for other traffic. But that is only specific to fasttrack if im not mistaken

[tame carbon]

wait

can't you just mark individual firewall packets

and force them to use fastpath?

[hollow marlin]

You can, thats what I am referring to

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin https://i.imgur.com/jGys2Bt.png

@hollow marlin guess I could optimize my stuff even more lol

[hollow marlin]

Yeah, thats how the default FW rules are setup, but the fasttrack is setup as a catch all

[tame carbon]

I must have removed those rules

still only 3% cpu usage @ 250mbit/s traffic ¯_(ツ)_/¯

@hollow marlin can't you set up queues for the service you are attemping to limit? and then fasttrack anything that doesnt match the filter rule?

or is that how you do it xD

[hollow marlin]

Yesm that is is what I am say xD

Since fasttrack does not kick in until the connection is successful, its all CPU for the first 2 packets, so queuing can be done on certain traffic and fasttrack on others

[oak night]

What is the difference between cat6a F/FTP and U/UTP?

And which is better?

[peak cloak]

FTP means foil?

[oak night]

I think yes

But idk

[feral ridge]

U is unshielded twisted pair

[peak cloak]

utp means unshielded

ftp is shielded

[oak night]

And what about S/FTP?

Cuz i dont know what to buy between those

[feral ridge]

depends on your use case, what are you using it fdor

[oak night]

10 gig home network

[feral ridge]

shielded cables are normally used when there is a high chance of cross talk with lots of other cables, or if you need some sort of fire rating for running in walls

for the majority of use cases utp is just fine

[oak night]

Well it runs in the wall

[peak cloak]

If you don't want to worry about powerlines being in the way then get shielded

[oak night]

But not near Electric current

So ok then better s/ftp or f/ftp

[peak cloak]

with unshilded you don't want to run it parallel to power less than 3 inches I think

like there should be at least 3 inches space

[feral ridge]

yeah if it is going to be run next to the electrical wiring (more than likely will be) best to go with stp

[oak night]

Ok

[hollow marlin]

Having tested UTP next to our incoming grid power, unless you are planing on running the lines in a power station, shielding really is not a factor for at home use

[oak night]

For what I saw it costs less

Shielded

[hollow marlin]

Shielded is 100% more expensive

[tame carbon]

I only need that for ur mom

[plucky crescent]

How do I make that happen? Is it super complicated? I have literally zero experience in RouterOS and have only just done a read-thru of a networking book, so dunno much.

[pseudo isle]

Hey guys, I'm planning to upgrade my home network from 100Mb network to 10Gbe one. When doing so, I'd get 1Gb internet. The 10Gbe network cards aren't expensive, the cat 6/7 cables aren't bad either, but I'm struggling to find switch with at least 410Gb RJ45 which isn't rack mounted motherfcker at 3080's MSRP. Do you think I should go with RJ45 or is better to go for sfp+ for those speeds?

[peak cloak]

at those speeds I think you could use copper or you might as well just go fiber sfp+. Copper sfp+ modules are expensive, although the pcie sfp+ cards are pretty expensive (like 90 bucks)

and fiber itself isn't that expensive

[pseudo isle]

Rj 45 cables are quite cheap even for 10gig

As i said, my problem is finding the switch

[peak cloak]

sfp+ switches are cheaper than just copper

[oak night]

I'm doing the same thing

[peak cloak]

although copper sfp+ modules get hot

and use more power

and are expensive

if I got 10G I'll use fiber

[pseudo isle]

I'll think about the glass then

[peak cloak]

I'm not an expert in fiber but I know the gist of it

[pseudo isle]

There are some transceivers needed for sfp+, right?

[peak cloak]

wdym?

sfp+ is just a standard kinda like rj45

although there is a module between the sfp+ interface and the fiber/rj45 interface

[pseudo isle]

Dunno really, my life has been RJ45 basically

😉

[peak cloak]

there is also DAC

Direct attached copper, but that's for short distance in a rack

idk how they will be able to push > 10 gig over copper

at some point you just gotta switch to fiber

[hollow marlin]

First, you should post your queue configuration. Jut looking at official test, HEX should be able to hit far above 50mpbs without fast track

[peak cloak]

cat 8 is like the MAX

[tame carbon]

[peak cloak]

it's over short distances

[tame carbon]

@pseudo isle you know fiber is cheaper right?

[solar spoke]

But wait can't cat8 get to 40Gbps

?

[peak cloak]

over only like 30 meters

and tell me what adapter supports that

[solar spoke]

Oh so those are like sustained speed?

@oak night ?

[oak night]

Why?

[solar spoke]

?

[peak cloak]

at that point just do fiber

[solar spoke]

That is true

[peak cloak]

you are in qsfp+ territory

[solar spoke]

But isn't it cheap?

[peak cloak]

fiber itself

yes

hell, even a 150m 40G qsfp+ module is 40 bucks

which is cheap

but like why

that's DC and ISP stuff

but qsfp+ pcie cards are expensive

[hollow marlin]

Cat7/8 don't exist and never will in the eyes of many engineers. 10gig is the end for copper, anything above it is and will be fiber

[peak cloak]

yeah

[lean pebble]

We all need 40Gbps at home

Best gaming experience

But only if it comes with arbor (ddos protection)

[tame carbon]

@solar spoke at high speeds, copper doesnt make sense anymore

fiber optics can carry much higher bandwidths, at much longer distances

[lean pebble]

At must cheaper costs

[tame carbon]

copper just has limits

[peak cloak]

Arbor?

[lean pebble]

Like my ISP

[lean pebble]

https://www.netscout.com/arbor-ddos

[peak cloak]

why arbor specifically

[lean pebble]

It's one of the best in the market

I know that one of the ISPs here uses it as last resort

They first have the regular enterprise gear and at the end arbor

[plucky crescent]

is this enough?

I don't know why there are 2 instances of bridge in the target, it keeps adding it.

[lean pebble]

Someone familiar with docker ?

[peak cloak]

yeah

[lean pebble]

I need help with installing it with this shitty panel pterodactyl for my friend, he keep saying he wants it.

😩

[peak cloak]

oh that

I tried installing that once

[lean pebble]

You know that ?

[peak cloak]

pterodactyl panel

[lean pebble]

Let me guess

You couldn't make it work

[peak cloak]

I just learned cli now

yep

[lean pebble]

I knew it

xD

[peak cloak]

I probobly could set it up now

I was much less experienced

I prefer cli anyway

[lean pebble]

I installed the panel and docker sperated now trying to understand how to connect them both

Well I prefer normal virtualization

[peak cloak]

what are you using docker for?

[lean pebble]

He uses

[peak cloak]

wdym

[lean pebble]

He wants for game servers

Like minecraft

And such

[peak cloak]

yeah, but wouldn't you want to install pterodactyl in docker as well

[lean pebble]

I'll try now again on centos 8

[peak cloak]

and the database in it's own docker container as well

[lean pebble]

He installed it at the beginning then I killed it because it didn't worked

I configured everything with redis and mariadb

But I still hate this panel

I think make the db on different server not docker

[hollow marlin]

While you are using the web gui, can you go to the Terminal on the left hand side, type in export hide-sensitive post the output? BTW you can press tab as you are typing to auto complete

[lean pebble]

On another VM for db

Much stable

[plucky crescent]

is this what you need?

[lean pebble]

The only problem I had with this panel was the networking

It just couldn't connect to the internet for some reason

[hollow marlin]

Yep but copy and paste for easier reading. Just make sure you paste as a code block

[plucky crescent]

uhhh... I'm not sure what that means, paste as code block.

[hollow marlin]

Type the tilde ( ~ ) 3 times, paste, type it 3 times again.

Like this

[tame carbon]

oh

arbor got taken over

5 years ago lol

[plucky crescent]

It's telling me it's too large

[peak cloak]

put in hastebin or pastebin

[tame carbon]

garbagebin

[hollow marlin]

NVM then, I just hate reading config in images but Ill look over it that way

[plucky crescent]

I'm sorry guys, I don't do this kind of communication on the regular

[tame carbon]

no I wasnt criticising

just commenting xD

[plucky crescent]

https://pastebin.com/RYafnddg ok did that work?

Sorry I'm in and out, I'm trying to paint some speakers as well as help my kiddos in their schools

[hollow marlin]

Well you queue is set to 50/10mbps, thats why you are getting 50mbps silly
add dst=ether1 limit-at=10M/50M max-limit=10M/50M name="all data" queue=pcq-upload-default/pcq-download-default target=bridge,bridge

[lean pebble]

Really?

By who?

By those scouts?

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin lol, that makes a tonn of sense

see, I thought 50mbit wihtout fastpath couldnt be right

[plucky crescent]

but I thought it is 50M, not 50m?

I'm getting 50mb

when fiddling with the numbers, it has acted as though it treats those like megabyte

[tame carbon]

its all bits

bytes are for warehousing ppl

[plucky crescent]

well that helps a bunch

Should I put that line into terminal?

[tame carbon]

@plucky crescent I assume you are using winbox?

[plucky crescent]

if by winbox you mean windows 10, yes.

[tame carbon]

thats just the commandline representation of whatever you set in the GUI

no winbox, the utility for routerOS

https://mt.lv/winbox64

[plucky crescent]

I'm modifying it thru web interface?

winbox better?

[tame carbon]

easier

[peak cloak]

winbox doesn't need a L3(IP) connection to the router, it can work on L2 among other benifits

[plucky crescent]

cool beans, I'll give it a shot.

[tame carbon]

@plucky crescent you can even use winbox without an assigned IP address, using its MAC

[hollow marlin]

networking is measured in bit, except when talking about packet size or flags its bytes, but also with shaping queues are done in bits, except the token buckets overflow are in bytes. I mean its pretty straight forward

[plucky crescent]

that's handy dandy

[clear igloo]

It's more of a guideline than a rule 😄

[plucky crescent]

I got myself all twisted about bits/bytes because I kept making changes, and the results didn't make sense to me, so I thought I must be misunderstanding the units.

[tame carbon]

when you have 10 meganibbles/second

[plucky crescent]

OK, having upped my limit to 400mbps, now I get 300+ easily, which is all I really need. Thank you guys.

[clear igloo]

2 nibbles per byte 😄

[tame carbon]

a halfbyte, a nibble

that would be the most epic troll

[hollow marlin]

I will never understand what went through the IETF's mind when it came to shaping. I get the bits/bytes really to do with packet depth in the queue, but man the first run around getting depth with QoS is rough mashing the two up

[tame carbon]

reconfigure a router to use that as a unit

and then in the motd, include a conversion chart

and then ofcourse

the customers be like: 100megabytes internet

a nibble would be meeting halfway

a fair compromise.

[plucky crescent]

Is there any point in messing with bucket size?

or burst limits?

[tame carbon]

burst allows you to overshoot your limit, so the average is your limit

[hollow marlin]

Without understanding QoS, I would avoid it and leave it as default

[plucky crescent]

ok I will leave it. Thank you.

[tame carbon]

I have a 250M plan, but when I start a download, it bursts for like 0.5 seconds

[plucky crescent]

My main goal in all this was to smooth out my network traffic so games and such have less "wtf" moments in them.

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/iv74DVd.png

https://i.imgur.com/onKiBad.png

but it averages out

[hollow marlin]

@tame carbon This is a screenshot of the QoS diagram I made for training. Once a month the engineers spend and hour or so teaching a topic

QoS is a lot more than people throw out there

[tame carbon]

I don't both with QoS on my network tbh

its never congested

I only use two queues for downstream routers

I don't want them sucking up all my bandwidth

[hollow marlin]

More bandwidth is the true solution, QoS is a band aid and tends to break more than it fixes

[tame carbon]

xD

https://i.imgur.com/YjkqoQd.png

51M, so speedtest shows a perfect 50M

no risk of being accused of faul play

lel

@hollow marlin total downlink last month: 5TB

140GB up

IPTV is like a constant 14M feed

[plucky crescent]

I'm using Comcast, and it seems like I get bufferbloat any time I approach my connection's tier, and using QoS seems to stop that from happening. Is there some other solution I could be going after?

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/UF3OtkF.png

https://i.imgur.com/pXrxx51.png

wot

xD

that's the interface of the surveilance server

[plucky crescent]

I see some interesting MTUs in there, why do you modify MTU?

[tame carbon]

ethernet is 1500

if you add a protocol like a PPPoE tunnel to your network stack

you may want to adjust for that

Its the 'maximum' transfer unit

amount of bytes you can put in a single frame

[plucky crescent]

I also see some that are adjusted a bit, why would you up your MTU?

[tame carbon]

There should be two columns

actual MTU and L2 MTU

[plucky crescent]

do you just test to see how much can fit in one frame, and try to max it out?

[tame carbon]

it should automatically adjust for this

@plucky crescent 1500 is what you should use

you dont need to change it

[plucky crescent]

rogers.

[tame carbon]

defaults are correct

@plucky crescent if you were to for example set up PPPoE over a 1500 MTU link

you need to adjust for the headers of the PPPoE protocol

@plucky crescent this has to do with packet fragmentation

and efficientry transfering packets of a certain size over networks that transmit variable length packets

With certain highspeed network applications ,you may want a higher MTU

sometimes called 'Jumbo Frames'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumbo_frame

if you hook a 9000 byte line and switch packets to a 1500 bytes link. you need to fragment the packet

creating overhead

your ISP internally may use much higher MTU

but 1500 is what you should end up receiving

[peak cloak]

mynameisjuan said that bufferbloat is an ISP problem

I don't really think there is another solution

[plucky crescent]

Isn't it just Comcast being lazy about how they clamp my speed?

[peak cloak]

maybe idk

I'm not a network engineer at Comcast

[grizzled plover]

Do routers turn off on their own?

Cause mine did and now I’m having dhcp errors

[waxen saddle]

Turn it back on

[thick minnow]

did you already try unplugging it for a few minutes?

[grizzled plover]

I did that already

[thick minnow]

it may have an automatic shut-off when overheating, is it dusty?

[grizzled plover]

Nope

[thick minnow]

can you connect to the routers settings menu?

and does the outlet work

like have you tried it with other stuff

[grizzled plover]

Like through the gateway address

[hollow marlin]

That correct. Bufferbloat is to too deep of queue, well past what consumer chips can handle. Sometime engineers will attempts to fix congestion and packet loss by increasing queues, some reaching up to a 1s worth of traffic. This makes the problem worse and why they should police instead of shape. At the customer port, bufferbloat is not a problem because it would consume way too many resources so its a problem further in the network.
What @plucky crescent is seeing is as you reach your speed cap, its a cap, they are either going to police (hard drop packets) or shape (queue/buffer packets) to keep speeds within scope. You can setup a queue in Mikrotik that mimics a policer to alleviate some of the problems.

[tame carbon]

"Visual studio has encountered an unrecoverable error"

"Please save your work and restart"

[hollow marlin]

Standard place in ISPs to have L2 MTU at the highest available. VLAN, QinQ, MPLS, etc. Usually well over 9k

[tame carbon]

ffs, VS. at least crash with dignity.

[waxen saddle]

TCP is supposed to detect packet drops and adjust it's speed automatically.

[hollow marlin]

Yep, thats why policing is preferred for 99% of cases

[tame carbon]

im heading off to bed

night

[peak cloak]

they shouldn't, if it does it's usually overheating

gn

[plucky crescent]

Is that different from the queue that I did set up? Like, is there something specific to a policer queue that I should do?

[hollow marlin]

Id have to look it up but I think I remember it being along the lines in the simple queue to set it to a depth of just 1 packet

[plucky crescent]

If you happen accross a mention of it could you ping me? Its the whole reason I'm even going thru this

[hollow marlin]

Sure can

[waxen scroll]

👀

[thick minnow]

hello, ive made minecraft server but i dont think ive done the port forwarding correctly on my router anyone help?

[peak cloak]

1. Can you connect locally?
2. Are you under CGNAT?

[thick minnow]

I can connect locally and no i dont know what that is @peak cloak

[peak cloak]

ok so your friends can't connect?

show port forwarding settings

@thick minnow

[coarse storm]

does anyone know why i’m only getting 200kbps on my pc on wifi vs the 4 i get on my xbox on wifi?

[peak cloak]

kbps??

thats SLOW

[static knoll]

Compare that to DSL

Wait

Isn't DSL 200kbps

[peak cloak]

no

wait

maybe original dsl

[static knoll]

Yeah dsl 1

not new dsl

[peak cloak]

slowest DSL connections are around 10–20 Mbps

[coarse storm]

WHAT

i pay $80 a month for 3-4 kbps

[coarse storm]

*mbps

[peak cloak]

where are you?

in the middle of nowhere?

[static knoll]

The bit rate of consumer DSL services typically ranges from 256 kbit/s to over 100 Mbit/s in the direction to the customer (downstream), depending on DSL technology, line conditions, and service-level implementation.

[coarse storm]

basically

[static knoll]

any server errors, i.e. double nat or anything?

[peak cloak]

ok so look for WAN ip somewhere

it should be on the main menu maybe?

example:

and show the first 2 octets

[coarse storm]

i waited almost a week for cod to download non stop

[peak cloak]

maybe you could have a use case for starlink

[coarse storm]

how do i do that

i need it badly

[peak cloak]

where do you live?

[coarse storm]

virginia

[thick minnow]

@peak cloak yeah i found it

[peak cloak]

ah

[peak cloak]

virginia is in Starlinks range

[coarse storm]

i’m failing school because half the time my assignments WILL NOT GO THROUHJ

[peak cloak]

https://www.starlink.com/

[peak cloak]

send what the ip is, you can block out the last 2 octects

I need to check the first 2

just to make sure you are not under cgnat

@coarse storm starlink can do >100mbps

or even more

[thick minnow]

Ipv4?

[peak cloak]

yeah

[coarse storm]

i doubt my parents are gonna want to pay for it

[peak cloak]

I mean it's that much more expensive

[coarse storm]

it’ll be in my area mid to late 2021

[peak cloak]

users for $99 a month, plus $499 for a setup kit

[coarse storm]

yeah they don’t wanna pay for the $499

[peak cloak]

that's subsidized to

the dish actually cost MUCH more

I think it's like 2000

[peak cloak]

ok so you are not under cgnat

now, hmm

[thick minnow]

i have to be on a cgnat for it to work?

[peak cloak]

no

what are you running the server on

[thick minnow]

My pc?

[peak cloak]

windows?

[thick minnow]

yeah

[peak cloak]

and how are you testing that it works locally

on the same pc?

[thick minnow]

my brother joined from his pc

locally

[peak cloak]

oh ok, perfect

so you obviously know the IP of the PC and that it works, must be the router then

[static knoll]

shitty routers kinda suck

[peak cloak]

Bedrock or Java @thick minnow

[thick minnow]

Java

[peak cloak]

ok

perfect

[static knoll]

Some routers have port forwarding hiding god knows where

Pain in the butt

[peak cloak]

@static knoll confused by WAN connection list

[static knoll]

hmm

[peak cloak]

mob posted this before

[static knoll]

shouldn't there be more connections

[peak cloak]

@thick minnow what other options are under internet WAN conenction list?

[peak cloak]

no that's port forwarding menu

[static knoll]

there should be at least 1 from the brother's pc, and several from other devices

[peak cloak]

look at the top left

[static knoll]

yeah this is the port forwarding menu

[static knoll]

connection mode maybe? dunno what that's referring to

[thick minnow]

This is in WAN status

[peak cloak]

no what is under this

[static knoll]

yeah that's what i was referring to

there should be more there

[peak cloak]

@static knoll suprised to see VLAN there

[thick minnow]

Nothing

[static knoll]

Eh, some have it

[thick minnow]

its just that option

[static knoll]

Nothing?

[peak cloak]

hmm

[thick minnow]

But when i click this i get options

[peak cloak]

custom settings

that's just premade options

[static knoll]

wait, don't you haave to add the LAN port to allow for connections

TCP is correct to my knowledge, you can connect on that

but if you don't put in the LAN port it wouldn't know what device

[peak cloak]

that's correct, in the image the html form isn't filled in but look below that's the actual rule

[static knoll]

oh yeah

not sure if the lan port is 25565

i know the pf port is 25565 for mc

[peak cloak]

MC is 25565 by default

[static knoll]

is the internal client the local server?

idk there should generally be a setting for the PC's info

[peak cloak]

it works locally

they said

on a different LAN device

[static knoll]

hmm

usually the server logs have something to say if outside connections can't connect

depends on the build tho

this router could be behind another one

[lean pebble]

Good night fellas

[peak cloak]

gn

[static knoll]

Gn

[thick minnow]

Good night

[peak cloak]

Homework or troubeshooting ipv6

what should I do

[lean pebble]

I think I Need to start go sleep earlier 😆

[static knoll]

Up to you

[lean pebble]

And not at 4am

[peak cloak]

I should do HW

[static knoll]

Ah

[peak cloak]

yes

[thick minnow]

wait

[peak cloak]

I go at 11

[thick minnow]

it's 4 am for me too

we have so much in common

what's your IP

[static knoll]

lol

[lean pebble]

Hahaha

[thick minnow]

xD

[lean pebble]

1.1.1.1

😆

[static knoll]

That's a DNS

lol

cloudflare go brrr

honestly tho cloudflare > google

[peak cloak]

mine is 130.81.189.138

[static knoll]

i really wish more people would use iPV6

iPV4 is so bad

[peak cloak]

same

no more NAT

[static knoll]

too many connections on the same iPV4

[static knoll]

would solve all of my problems

i think the ISP has to provide addresses though

isn't it expensive to incorporate iPv6

[peak cloak]

I would get at least 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 ip addresses

I do

but though he

[static knoll]

yeah honestly I would have a running MC server rn if it wasn't for stupid NAT

all my homies hate NAT

[peak cloak]

you under cgnat?

[static knoll]

double nat

[lean pebble]

Before it was cloudflare it was intel or cisco I'm not sure which one owned it but 100% that was one of them.

[peak cloak]

wdym?

by ISP?

or yourself though 2 routers?

[static knoll]

so I've mentioned this before, there's two routers

I need 2 routers, one for wifi 6 and one for coax

[peak cloak]

I forget

[lean pebble]

I want ipv6

But my ISP sucks

[static knoll]

obviously i'm connected thrrough Enet

[peak cloak]

oh you are the person I told about the moca adapters

your on fios?

[static knoll]

issue is, I can't set the damn verizon router to brridge mode since i don't have coax on the nighthawk

[lean pebble]

I hate moca

[static knoll]

I hate coax

And I wish IPTV was more prevalent

[lean pebble]

Just use rj45

[static knoll]

tv

[waxen saddle]

Make your own IPTV

[static knoll]

uncle wants TV

[peak cloak]

@static knoll TV box can connect directly to moca, just use a spliiter and get a moca adapter

[lean pebble]

My tv have rj45

[peak cloak]

make sure it's a moca splitter

[static knoll]

Yeah, issue is that I can't do anything physical (over 10k miles away)

[peak cloak]

oh

[lean pebble]

I just removed the mocas from my tvs

[static knoll]

Everything would have to be on software

i have access to the networks

would need to search for the info but I do

[peak cloak]

in college?

[waxen saddle]

Make your own IPTV using OTA tv: https://github.com/fishscene/TV2MultiCast

[static knoll]

nope

highschool

[peak cloak]

why that far?

[static knoll]

was bored of living in the same place for all of my life

wanted to move and honestly was getting drained of life

going back for college tho lol

[peak cloak]

same

[thick minnow]

Hey guys, I'm Mob's friend. first of all thanks for the help, What would you recommend us to do now?

[lean pebble]

I love my house I wish I could move it to another country

[static knoll]

Well, you never mentioned if there are 1 or 2 routers.

[peak cloak]

I honestly don't know what could be the issue except the router

[static knoll]

some routers are disgusting

horriblee UI

[peak cloak]

@thick minnow what's the error it gives you

[thick minnow]

there's this drop down list in "portforwarding" that shows a number of apps like, "skype" "call of duty" and things like " remote desktop"

[peak cloak]

when you try to connect

[lean pebble]

Ya

[peak cloak]

yeah ignore that

[lean pebble]

Like my ISP

[static knoll]

minecraft would need to be custom

never is a default option

[peak cloak]

the amount of addresses in a /48 is insance

65,536 /64's

I get get a /48 from HE

[lean pebble]

I want ipv6

I get to

[peak cloak]

just need to work on my ipv6 certification

[lean pebble]

But I don't want nat

[thick minnow]

@static knoll it's 1 router with 2 wifi connections, a 2.4ghz 5ghz

[static knoll]

Oh

[lean pebble]

I have ipv6 /48 from he tunnelbear

[static knoll]

I thought it was 2

[peak cloak]

what's the error when you try to connect

[peak cloak]

you can have seperate SSID's for 5ghz and 2.4ghz

I have them on the same ssid

[static knoll]

yeaah you can

idk why you would host on wifi tho

so unstable

[peak cloak]

yeah

[static knoll]

ethernet is life

[lean pebble]

My wifi pretty stable and good

[static knoll]

$3 pluggy boi

[peak cloak]

bandsteering is cool

my AP is pretty nice, I love it

[static knoll]

No wifi is more stable than ethernet

[lean pebble]

Hell no

[peak cloak]

ethernet > wifi

[static knoll]

Pluggy Boi > Air Internet

[peak cloak]

@thick minnow let me know the error when you try to connect

[lean pebble]

But it more stable than my teacher in college / academy 😆

[peak cloak]

hmm timed out

[peak cloak]

@thick minnow if you can run an nmap scan we can check if the port is actually blocked

[static knoll]

oftenly it says its open

but its not

[peak cloak]

or just some other weird thing

because the TCP port may be open

[peak cloak]

often it says filtered

[static knoll]

Agreed

Router sucky

[lean pebble]

Filtered is good

[static knoll]

Filtered is good, but not when troublshooting

[thick minnow]

enable mapping ?

[static knoll]

When you want something to work, its bad

[lean pebble]

I like it filtered

Nah

[static knoll]

https://www.varonis.com/blog/nmap-commands/#:~:text=At its core%2C Nmap is,operating systems they are running.&text=Nmap was developed for enterprise,through thousands of connected devices.

nmap

[lean pebble]

Filtered is nice opened automatically only when you use it when not using it it's filtered

[static knoll]

See, what if you lag too much and filter says no? Then its an issue

[lean pebble]

Nope

[static knoll]

oh its happened alright

[lean pebble]

Because it's never filtered if you use it

[thick minnow]

Ok, we'll download the nmap scan and do it

[static knoll]

when your ping is over 2000ms to a server, the filter closes by the time you can connect

[lean pebble]

Do you run windows and antivirus?

[static knoll]

that or connection timed out

[lean pebble]

So?

[static knoll]

Means you can't connect lol

[thick minnow]

Yeah we run windows firewall @lean pebble

[lean pebble]

It's mean you shouldn't play I agree with this logic

[lean pebble]

Maybe windows firewall messing with you

[static knoll]

Well obviously, but im just saying having a filter ain't too good in some cases

[lean pebble]

Can you disable it?

[static knoll]

Don't disable it, allow incoming/outcoming 25565 connections

[lean pebble]

Problem

Not all servers use that port

[static knoll]

All minecraft servers use it

[lean pebble]

Disable only for the test

[lean pebble]

Nope

There are servers that use 25566

[static knoll]

from context im assuming 25565 is that they're using

[lean pebble]

And 25567

Windows firewall usually messing around with the connection

[thick minnow]

We have 2 rules

inbound and outbound with the port 25565

[lean pebble]

Blocked or open ?

[thick minnow]

open

[lean pebble]

Ok

Because minecraft uses only tcp can you try open all tcp port for the test ?

Just change the rule from specific to all

[thick minnow]

Ok

we went to the router's website

to find the TCP spell

but we couldn

what other form of black networking magic can we try ?

[lean pebble]

.

Even that I don't think this is the issue

[thick minnow]

Yeah...

I have a feeling we just need to port forward something

and use the ip we get

but we don't know how to do it

because either

1. this router is garbage
2. we don't know how to use this router

[peak cloak]

minecraft is just 25565/tcp

[lean pebble]

The timeout you get while login or joining a server?

[thick minnow]

joining the server

other serveres work fine

and joining locally works fine

[peak cloak]

must the router then

[lean pebble]

So only one server not working?

[peak cloak]

also, what's the router?

model

[thick minnow]

G-240W

Wait @lean pebble can I have directions to YOUR tcp 😉

Some nokia shit

[lean pebble]

Have fun 😆

[thick minnow]

lol

too cringy

[lean pebble]

Too tired

But can't sleep

[thick minnow]

hey

thank you for the help

go to sleep

[peak cloak]

https://fccid.io/2ADZRG240W-C/User-Manual/User-manual-3804012

[thick minnow]

you have a window

the stars are beautiful

look at them and you'll sleep

[lean pebble]

Body is tied brain is fully awaken

[thick minnow]

tell me when you look

so I can look at the same time

it'll be romantic

[lean pebble]

My window only show me the neighbors house

[peak cloak]

just to make sure it's the correct local ip?

[thick minnow]

what if I'm your neighbhor

have you thought about that

yeah cause my brother joined

[peak cloak]

I'm stumped

idk

[lean pebble]

Interesting...
I know my neighbors

Can you send the IP of the server?

[static knoll]

Lol

[lean pebble]

Is it local server ?

[static knoll]

well even if you did know you wouldn't be able to connect

[thick minnow]

^

[lean pebble]

I can do anything

[thick minnow]

they are lying to do @lean pebble you might be able to connect

what if you're computer was MEANT TO BE connected to my computer

[static knoll]

lol

[lean pebble]

Lol

[thick minnow]

you know what they say, 2 computers are destined for each other

[lean pebble]

The beast and the bast

😆

[static knoll]

beauty (my PC) and the beast (your stinky PC)

hehe

[lean pebble]

Lol

[thick minnow]

i just want to play some minecraft guys

[static knoll]

I know, we're a bit at loss

[lean pebble]

So this is local server

Ok

And you both on the same network ?

[thick minnow]

im in another country

im his friend

trying to connect

[lean pebble]

Well you need to connect to his external IP for playing on his server

And he need to open port 25565/tcp

In his router

[thick minnow]

I know what an rtx 3090 is

[lean pebble]

Do port forwarding

[static knoll]

@thick minnow you might need to open it on your end as well

[thick minnow]

what you're talking about is above my paygrade

oh

i think we found the TCP

1 sec

[static knoll]

On the server computer, search for "what is my IP address"

[lean pebble]

Only the server host need to open it

[static knoll]

should give you the external

[thick minnow]

The tcp and udp is active

[lean pebble]

Dnx

[thick minnow]

or should i make the tcp only

[lean pebble]

Do you want some coax ?

[thick minnow]

theyre both active

[lean pebble]

Minecraft only tcp

[thick minnow]

but i dont know if i put the correct info for LAN and WAN correctly

[static knoll]

NO coax

[static knoll]

Well, can you connect using the external IP?

[lean pebble]

I'll send you coax over ethernet

😆

[static knoll]

@thick minnow if you give @thick minnow the internal IP, he won't be able to connect

[thick minnow]

Which one is that exactly

[lean pebble]

From one side of the world to your side

[thick minnow]

ipv6 is external ipv4 is internal right

?

[static knoll]

Search on the server's google chrome "what is my IP address"

[lean pebble]

Both can be in and ext

[static knoll]

No, those are interchangable

[lean pebble]

Whatismyip

https://www.whatismyip.com/

[thick minnow]

it worked

I think

[static knoll]

Can you connect?

[thick minnow]

I got " failed to verify username" that means that I am on cracked and he is on premium

[static knoll]

Oh that means it works

[lean pebble]

I want to host minecraft server on 1.1.1.1

[static knoll]

He can just turn off online mode so you can connect @thick minnow

I might connect, what's the IP?

[lean pebble]

And on 8.8.4.4

[lean pebble]

Buy the sexy game

[thick minnow]

it works perfectly

im inside the game

[lean pebble]

Good

[static knoll]

can we get that IP

bored lol

[lean pebble]

Lol

Dnx

[thick minnow]

come

he killed me

with a strength potion

its working!!!!!!!

in creative mode

thank you guys

[lean pebble]

Wanna be my builder ?

[thick minnow]

erina

you have to save me

[lean pebble]

When

[thick minnow]

I'll be your builder 😉

[lean pebble]

I already hear the birds

It's time to sleep

😆

[static knoll]

Soon

Let me finish class

[lean pebble]

Dnx do my hw

[static knoll]

What version @thick minnow

[static knoll]

no.

[lean pebble]

Why

[thick minnow]

1.16.5

latest

[lean pebble]

Full stuck project

[static knoll]

Ok will do in a bit

[lean pebble]

Just missing 2 more pages

Gn

Cya in 3 days

[static knoll]

Gn

[opaque mesa]

i need a router that is capable for both zoom meeting and gaming. I bought about 3 different routers and they all worked fine until a month later and i start to experience issues. My sister does zoom calls for her work and my zoom calls for school. i recently bought this router called "Eero" and it came with three routers i guess you can say. worked fine for about 2 months and now its really bad. i have an Ethernet cable connected to one of the three routers it came with so i have one in my room, other one in my sisters, and the final connected to the modem in the living room. Her and I both depend on the WiFi for entertainment and work/school so if anyone can help that would be much appreciated

[static knoll]

Does it have to be a mesh network or can it be one router? How much is your budget?

[opaque mesa]

i dont know much about those so im not sure just whichever is better i guess and i would say my buget would be around $100-250

[static knoll]

Mesh would be one main router and several different "extenders" around the house, while normal routers would be just one main device.

How large would you say the coverage has to be, several thousand sqft?

[opaque mesa]

my house is 1,300 sqft

[static knoll]

1300 sqft should be fine with a single router, I'll take a look

[opaque mesa]

i bought the NETGEAR - AC1750 Dual-Band Wi-Fi 5 Router and it worked fine but then it started to act up

[static knoll]

Yeah, I'll try and look for a good wifi 6 router

[opaque mesa]

alright ty

the asus router linus reviewed looked fine but i just wanted other options and advice before i buy another one

[paper valve]

how fast is your broadband plan though

no point getting a fancy wifi 6 router when your internet cant even saturate half of its capabilities

[static knoll]

Wifi 6 isn't just speed but sure go off

Still busy so I haven't had the chance to find a router for him yet

[rare echo]

Was gonna comment but i only know basics of networking

[unborn sluice]

[primal ice]

guessing - plug rj45 jack in to rj45 port - done.

[tame carbon]

thats the problem with these fancy consumer routers

they look shiny and new when they are in the box

[tame carbon]

and then they act up

@opaque mesa is it just the wireless?

[little schooner]

It saturates my local network when I copy to NAS

[primal ice]

what speeds? my nas doesn't saturate my 1Gb comes close to though. 114MB/s

[static knoll]

LOL

[tame carbon]

wrong ping, and wrong message derp

[little schooner]

600 mbps

[static knoll]

derp

[primal ice]

oh right wifi.. okay.

[little schooner]

Yes. I did away with my cable

[static knoll]

@thick minnow Is that server of yours still on?

[thick minnow]

It's on but there aren't players now to my knowledge unfortunately

And I'm not on

[static knoll]

Ah

I might join if you do

Have about 30 min to spare or so

[thick minnow]

Unfortunately I can't

[static knoll]

Ah that's a shame

[peak cloak]

vif 10 {
            address 2001:___:_:5c2::1/64
            address 10.0.10.1/24
            description "IPv-6 Test"
            ipv6 {
                router-advert {
                    name-server 2001:___:20::2
                    prefix 2001:___:_:5c2::/64 {
                    }
                    radvd-options "RDNSS 2001:___:_:5c2::1 {};"
                }
            }
        }```

@tame carbon

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak mh. I'm afraid I dont know enough about the gear you are using

[peak cloak]

yeah you know what, I'll just put my pi on the ipv6 vlan

it's not prod anyway so meh

just want to get the cert

[peak cloak]

wtf

why

and on the router

either slow routing or the switch

might as well try to run a websever

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak HE wont give you full bandwidth unless you complete certification

~30-50mbit is about the most you will get

[peak cloak]

ik, but it's kilobytes currently

top is on my pi

bottom is router

so something is wrong on my end

ok, so webserver worked

time to setup email

this is going to be a pain

[primal ice]

err what cert are you doing I did not have to set up a web server or email.

[hollow marlin]

Looks more like a connectivity issue that bandwidth

[peak cloak]

he ipv6

[peak cloak]

wdym? yeah it's an issue on my end. Anything I could try to do to troubleshoot it

[primal ice]

packet inspection

[peak cloak]

what's the linux tool called?

I remember hearing about it

[hollow marlin]

tcpdump

[peak cloak]

tcpdump?

yeah

[hollow marlin]

Going off the retries then complete silence indicates its being dropped at some point

[primal ice]

Okay guess I'm only an explorer. and yeah it looks like they added stuff 🤷

[peak cloak]

hmm it says 51 packets dropped by kernel

https://pastebin.com/ZK8T8UFz

@hollow marlin I don't see any apparent issues

[cedar igloo]

Is running VMs over gigabit ethernet going to be much slower than locally? I know the speeds won't be as fast. I'm trying to decide whether to run VMs off ESXi with local SAS storage, or using NAS storage with SSDs

[primal ice]

nas with ssd's would be slower than local with sas .

[cedar igloo]

where would the bottleneck lie? would it be the ethernet speed between the two machines or something else?

[primal ice]

yeah the ethernet

[frosty hawk]

any suggestions for gigabit 24port POE switch (with SFP)

[dry dove]

depends on what you are running in your environment.

and budget 🙂

[dry dove]

Personally i use Unifi at home, Cisco at work (i don't have to pay for it 🙂 ) if you want something simple, get the TP-LINK 24, or the Cisco SG110-24hp, then if you are looking to run something with a high power budget you may want to take that into a consideration.

[tame carbon]

@frosty hawk https://mikrotik.com/product/crs328_24p_4s_rm

$379

Total PoE power of like 500 watts

@peak cloak https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808724377986269214/808748968363294730/20210209_224936.jpg

Just helped someone diagnose their ram.

Verdict: test successful, patient deceased.

[peak cloak]

lol

email is a pain

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak hehehe

I quit at this exact point

[peak cloak]

currently trying mailcow

[tame carbon]

you're an Enthausiast now

just as I am

@peak cloak try mailinabox

[peak cloak]

can't on a pi

maybe, but I would need to edit the install script

or install ubuntu

[tame carbon]

install a VM?

[peak cloak]

I guess I could

but

[tame carbon]

or dockerize that shit

https://hub.docker.com/r/mtrnord/mailinabox/

[peak cloak]

I didn't setup vlans on proxmox

ah

they do have docker

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak actually

that image looks old

5 years last update

[peak cloak]

eh

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak https://mailu.io/1.7/

[peak cloak]

if it works it works

[tame carbon]

alternatively ^

mailu also has docker images

[peak cloak]

yeah I tried that

so does mailcow

[tame carbon]

all too fat to get off the couch?

[peak cloak]

for mailcow:

ERROR: no matching manifest for unknown in the manifest list entries

[tame carbon]

brilliant

wat.

[peak cloak]

when doing docker-compose up

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak https://jacobsalmela.com/2013/11/03/ipv6-certification-walkthrough-administrator-level-hurricane-electric-part-4/

if all else fails

here's a step by step with postfix.

[thick minnow]

how do i get ethernet in my house without breaking the walls and adding ethernet jacks in

[cedar igloo]

powerline?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow the short answer: you don't

[thick minnow]

what

[peak cloak]

never head of postfix

[waxen scroll]

wireless to wired adapter ;p

[thick minnow]

not vvery reliable

[peak cloak]

All the other things are so overkill for this

[thick minnow]

ive heard of powerline

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak its a mailserver

@thick minnow powerline ethernet has suboptimal bandwidht

you're lucky if you get >50mbit/s over it

[peak cloak]

yeah now I know

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak if you ever used mail() in php

that uses postfix internally

[peak cloak]

nope

[tame carbon]

its like the defacto oldschool standard for mail on linux

[thick minnow]

would a rasperry pi work as a good NAS?

[peak cloak]

depends on your defenition of a good NAS

[thick minnow]

like a 50mb file at a time

w

[unborn sluice]

w

[thick minnow]

alr

[peak cloak]

bruh, Unable to find MX for domain

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow as a cheap network fileshare, its alright

not as reliable as say a propper NAS would be

[thick minnow]

well yeah

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow its at least fast enough to saturate a usb harddrive

new pi 4 gets like 800mbit/s over the network

and its no longer bottlenecked by the usb controller bus

so you can use both

[thick minnow]

i only need it because my printer hates my macbook

[tame carbon]

the CPU itself, has about 4GB/s memory bandwidth

[thick minnow]

ah

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow by comparison

my duo core i7 (with hyperthreading) does about 21.7GB/s

and my old i7 2700k @ 4.2GHz did 34GB/s

[thick minnow]

oh

[tame carbon]

Yeah but its RISC vs CISC

[drowsy sand]

Guys I am looking for a case with a lot of 3.5" drive bays. So far I have found a Chieftec case with four bays (Chieftec HQ-01B). Any other reccomendations?

[tame carbon]

@drowsy sand have you checked 45 drives?

[drowsy sand]

nah

[tame carbon]

they are bit overpriced imo

but these are the ones that linus uses

[drowsy sand]

Well, it should be 40€ max.

[peak cloak]

bruh google dig for mx shows I have an mx record but HE says I don't

and I'm using dns.he.net

[drowsy sand]

I am looking for a normal ATX case for my homeserver.

[tame carbon]

@drowsy sand you'll want to look for a used fulltower

[drowsy sand]

I am

[tame carbon]

yeah, try ebay?

[drowsy sand]

The best I found was some LC-Power with five bays.

On Ebay, yes.

[tame carbon]

@drowsy sand like, what number of drives do you expect to jam in there

[mossy badge]

Guys can anyone help me figuring out how can I achieve RDP my PC while using a VPN? So far my laptop can connect to my PC externally using a DDNS, but the moment I turn my IPSec VPN I can’t access it :(, this is my “topology”

[tame carbon]

@drowsy sand instead of a case, you may want to look for just 5.25" drive enclosures

[drowsy sand]

Whatever is the most. but 4 for a minimum.