networking

[tame carbon]

ATM3+ needed like 10GB ram

[static knoll]

For the server?

Or for the client

[tame carbon]

And took 5-10 mins to start

Server 4GB

[static knoll]

i mean, any modpack with over 100 mods will do tht

[tame carbon]

320 mods

[static knoll]

To my memory PO3 took 10 min

POL 5

[tame carbon]

ATM is huge

All the mods

[static knoll]

Well yeah its all the mods lool

Imagine if someone made a 1000 mod modpack

The build time in forge would be insane

[tame carbon]

ATM customized their entire mod arsenal

To make sure that every resource worked with every mod

@static knoll ever played technic?

[static knoll]

No

[tame carbon]

Beta 1.7

[static knoll]

Only 3 I've played have been PO3, POL, and RLCraft

[tame carbon]

First time some made a pack with buildcraft and industrial craft

That pack, ushered in the era of power, fluids and item pipes

And gave us the hopper in vanilla

[static knoll]

Ah

[tame carbon]

Pistons were also a mod at one timd

[static knoll]

I am going to start a modded SMP sometime soon

[tame carbon]

Until they were added to vanilla

[static knoll]

Likely next weekend

[tame carbon]

What pack?

I have like couple old ftb instances on my server

Always looking for people who want to waste time together

[static knoll]

Dunno yet

[tame carbon]

NuclearCraft is crazy

[static knoll]

Maybe POL

[tame carbon]

I love tech mods

[static knoll]

POL probably, seeing that its only 130 or so mods

[tame carbon]

Pol?

[static knoll]

If I go above 150 (above 100 is already cutting it) my friends cn't join

[static knoll]

Project Ozone Lite

1.12.2, 130 mods

[tame carbon]

I'm sold

AE2. Thermal Foundation, enderio

Forestry?

[static knoll]

Mybe

[tame carbon]

I had a base once completely powered by bees xd

[static knoll]

I took a break about a week ago to focus on studying

[static knoll]

How????

[tame carbon]

Binnie's mods, extra bees, adds 100 species of bees

And its. Careful painful breeding

[static knoll]

Ah

Fluid cows are enough for me

[tame carbon]

Yeah but

They make oil

Diamond

Anything you need

[static knoll]

I can get diamond from the digital miner

Like

Stacks on Stacks on Stacks

[tame carbon]

Yeah but bees, are infinite

Every generation, it makes more drones

[static knoll]

Fair point

[tame carbon]

And you can scale up and up

[static knoll]

Issue with organics is that you can easily kill them

Like I've killed several of my cows

[tame carbon]

There's no forestry

Ahh its fine

At least you got botania

[static knoll]

Yeah it has botania

Last I logged on I was working on a bit of mana

2GB of server ram is barely playable, but it works alright

[tame carbon]

I hate mana generation with botania

[static knoll]

Its not that good

But like most things it works

[tame carbon]

I always build a timer contraption with a lava placer around thermalilys

That way its automatic

Anyways im off slto sleep

[static knoll]

Gn

[digital zenith]

what is the current recomdation for a good vpn?

know a lot of the ones in the past have had a few issues...

[plucky crescent]

I have routerOS questions, is anyone around to help with that?

I'm trying to smooth out my traffic, but the queue I made doesn't seem to be working properly, just hoped someone could help me with a few parameters.

this is my configuration

these are the results I get.

[plucky crescent]

I think I'm just not getting the target/destination right. It doesn't seem to be using the queue the same amount as I am downloading

[plucky crescent]

Yeah, it seems like if I have fasttrack enabled, it bypasses the queue, but if I have it turned off, it chokes my traffic way too low.

[static knoll]

Maybe @tame carbon can help later, he/she is good at this

[plucky crescent]

thanks, the weirdest part is that it seemed like it was working properly for like a day

[lean pebble]

Morning

I guess crystal sleeping right now

[plucky crescent]

seems that way.

[lean pebble]

ya he was here till 3am

2am in his place

[oblique marlin]

anyone wanna run my payload

i wanna see if i can listen to connections coming outside of my network

[lean pebble]

you can by using nat if you're on home network

[oblique marlin]

i have to download windows 7 on virtual box

[lean pebble]

they're on the same network

?

[desert briar]

Download a windows 10 iso, make a VM. It takes 20 minutes to set up. No one is gonna run your malicious reverse shells, lol @oblique marlin

[oblique marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/life-hard-baby-tantrum-gif-9873062

[lean pebble]

xD

Karspersky automatically will remove it

[lean pebble]

lol

Lavenza fix my tv

[desert briar]

have you tried to turn it on and off?

[lean pebble]

hahaha

😂

it already turned off

[desert briar]

have you tried to plug it in and out?

[granite bridge]

Restart it (Says every IT professional)

[lean pebble]

Nope

But fix it

I need to put 2 network cables from the room behind it to the bridge near my tv

[desert briar]

tbh from my experience I had more luck with wifi on TVs

[lean pebble]

nah its for the tv reciver

[static knoll]

TV internet sucks

[desert briar]

both TVs I worked with had only 100mbit ports. Making wifi much faster

[lean pebble]

he doesn't support wifi

[static knoll]

Terrible UI most of the time

[desert briar]

well, easy solution. You either drill a hole

[lean pebble]

the internet pretty good on wifi and cables

[desert briar]

get a powerline

or get a wireless bridge

[lean pebble]

why power line

I have the rf hole in the wall

[desert briar]

you said you want to connect 2 rooms together

then you can use some adapters

MOCA I think

[lean pebble]

I hope I can move it from there

I hatemoce

thats why I added the wifi brdige

[desert briar]

know they are a thing, never used them myself

[lean pebble]

I'm disconnecting them because they are sucks

always get stuck

[desert briar]

yeah wireless bridge is a good way to go. Some people have more luck with powerlines, it depends. Have to try and see what works.

[lean pebble]

I juce have 1 more tv that I need to do it for and I'm disconnecting the last moca I have

it works pretty good

[desert briar]

Well, seems like you have it figured out then

[lean pebble]

finally a good vod downloading speed

come help me cabling xD

the only thing I hate is to make the end of the cable

[desert briar]

im fine, thanks

yeah, it can get tedious. You'll manage 😄

crimping cables is a good skill to have

[lean pebble]

I usually use female connector because the male one annoying

[oblique marlin]

sexist

[lean pebble]

but then I need 4 more cable that I don't have

[oblique marlin]

[lean pebble]

Can I connect rf cable as rj45? xD

😂

[supple hare]

Shall I try that now ?

[peak cloak]

Best practice is to punchdown not crimp cables in the wall apparently

[tame carbon]

@supple hare wat

@supple hare what have you done since?, sorry I just joined the chat '

and oh, my. Everything is white outside :o

we got snow :D

@supple hare yeah, I was curious on how that bbox gets its IP address from that fiber modem

there's various ways this can be done

@plucky crescent suh

[lean pebble]

I'm using female connectors shielded keystones but then I'll need another 4 cables. 2 for each cable

[tame carbon]

punchdown is just ez af

no fiddling with keystones

you just slam dunk each wire

[lean pebble]

I tried at least 15 times to make the regular male connector and failed

[tame carbon]

really?

[lean pebble]

ya idk why

[tame carbon]

like, I know RJ45 crimping can be annoying

but 15x?

[lean pebble]

I guess because the colors

female just ez af

modular keystones

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble lol that picture of my network rack that I keep posting

those RJ45 patch leads, I cut myself xD

[lean pebble]

Ik

Xd

[tame carbon]

I had a box of 5 meter network cable pieces

so I just started cutting, and terminating

like one afternoon

[static knoll]

Heyo crystal is here

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble if you want easy installation of rj45, the trick is: remove more plastic than you need

then, pull the wires in order, straighten em out

[static knoll]

@tame carbon can you help this person out

[tame carbon]

and then, just before you put the rj45 header on, you cut the wires flush, to length

and slide in, and crimp

the outer plastic should be fully inside the jack

[lean pebble]

Thats what I always do

I have modular rj45 to

xD

[lean pebble]

Just the problems is the color types xD

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble color blind?

[lean pebble]

ya thats my modular keystone

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble thats punchdown lol ^

[lean pebble]

the modular rj 45 that I have not like this

lol

[tame carbon]

you basically put the wire in

and the punchdown tool, pushes the wire into the blade

[lean pebble]

Ik I have it

[tame carbon]

and then it has a tiny knife on the front

which cuts off excess wire

@lean pebble I originally got those punchdown tools for DSL lines xD

[lean pebble]

That's what I have

I got all the needed tools

😆

[tame carbon]

DSL lines in the netherlands are terminated in a demarcation point

looks like this ^

that's telephone wires ^

[lean pebble]

Ik I have in my house

I hate my ADSL

My cat6

[tame carbon]

I got a box of that somewhere too

and another box full of cuttings

[static knoll]

That's a lot of cable

[lean pebble]

Ya

[tame carbon]

@static knoll when you start laying cable, such a roll is empty quickly

running ethernet for IP cameras here

I went through 200 meters

[lean pebble]

Crystal can you put a cable from netherlands to Israel ? 😆

[static knoll]

Ah

[tame carbon]

@lean pebble lol we can use direct satellite uplink? xD

[lean pebble]

Maybe

Soon

Ask Elon musk

There is a fiber cable that already goes from Germany frankfort to Israel

[static knoll]

I want a fiber cable directly from the US to Indonesia but I know for sure that's not going to happen

[lean pebble]

I want from Israel to all europe and us

[static knoll]

Israel has a bunch of tech startups no

[tame carbon]

https://www.submarinecablemap.com/

[lean pebble]

Yes but the internet sucks

[static knoll]

That's more likely than US to Indonesia

[lean pebble]

That's why they keep moving to US

[static knoll]

Fair point

[lean pebble]

Land is expensive af here and Internet sucks

[tame carbon]

EU is quite nice for internet

esp central europe

since thats one of the densest points in the internet

[static knoll]

Zoom zoom

[tame carbon]

Frankfurt, Amsterdam, London

[static knoll]

Issue with EU internet is no memes

Or whatever that biz was

[tame carbon]

That's not true

[static knoll]

Then what was that whole thing about illegal memes

[tame carbon]

Article 11 and 13

[static knoll]

Ah yes

What happened with that

[tame carbon]

but I think it is article 13 that made headlines

[static knoll]

Article 13 is what I was referring to

[lean pebble]

2.5m ILS is 760097.9006 USD and that the cost for basic 250 meters house in Israel or even less than 250 meters

[tame carbon]

@static knoll law was passed by EU parliament, but its up to member states to implement them

but so far, nobody has done so

[static knoll]

ah

then its ok

Free memes for everyone!

[lean pebble]

lol

[static knoll]

I also got my ETH earlier lol

Money Time

[lean pebble]

I feel like I'm the only one here what have adsl

[tame carbon]

@static knoll like, brussels can vote on laws. But if they are so impractical, nobody will implement them

Like, link taxation, forget it

[static knoll]

No, my uncle's house has ADSL

[tame carbon]

not gonna happen

[static knoll]

yeah

ADSL should be banned

[tame carbon]

:3

[static knoll]

It should be a human right to have equal access to the internet

Just 5mbps

[tame carbon]

what

no

everyone should have 1gbit/s

[static knoll]

Bare minimum should be 5mbps

[static knoll]

In some countries 5mbps is exorbitantly costed

[tame carbon]

5mbps is below the global average in network speed

20mbit/s is the average

[static knoll]

5mbps is enough for education

[tame carbon]

no it isnt

[static knoll]

not zoom

like

[tame carbon]

HD youtube stream needs at least 8 mbit/s

[static knoll]

g classroom assignments

[lean pebble]

up/down

[static knoll]

1gbit up and 100 down must suck huh

[static knoll]

Ok fine, 10mbps per person then

that's a bare minimum

usually it should probably be 20

Getting internet access to the wilderness is hard

[tame carbon]

EU's digital agenda for 2020 was 30mbit/s for every European broadband connection

[static knoll]

That, plus stability

[static knoll]

EU is already relatively advanced no? In comparison to other countries

[tame carbon]

'relatively advanced'

we're ahead in all major fields, more freedom more democracy xD

[static knoll]

Yes exactly

That's why I said 10 minimum, avg 20

30 is what some people call "fast"

[lean pebble]

In Israel the Agenda is something else

[tame carbon]

Amsterdam supposed to have 1gbit/s for all households by end of 2025

after that, the rest of the country

[lean pebble]

specific building should get fiber and the rest shouldn't

[tame carbon]

@static knoll solving the bandwidth issue has to start by running fiber optics.

Many ISPs still rely on their copper network

and do not invest into their network

[static knoll]

yeah

Fiber is the best

[lean pebble]

all the rest ADSL

[static knoll]

Its the future (so far)

[tame carbon]

That's what they did here, they literally dug a trench to every house

and ran fiber optics

[static knoll]

ADSL is copper isn't it?

[lean pebble]

especially private houses

[tame carbon]

@static knoll ye

[static knoll]

thought so

copper cheap

fiber expensive

[tame carbon]

copper is more expensive

the only reason it appears 'cheaper' is because its already in the ground

[static knoll]

Yes, that's what I mean

Actually ripping it out and replacing it makes it "cheaper"

[tame carbon]

the cables themselves are a joke

its the fact that you need to pay wages to people who operate the excavator and shovels

[static knoll]

mhm

people expensive

[tame carbon]

ye

@static knoll lol it was really odd

the contractor here was a dutch guy

but the people doing the gruntwork

were all from the Balkans

[static knoll]

Lol

[supple hare]

Nothing at all except hoping for changes xD

[supple hare]

How can I check that

[tame carbon]

@supple hare go to the router settings page

it should be located somewhere, the thing is.. yours is in french, so idk xD

can you somehow make it Anglais xD

My french is only as good as when I left highschool: abysmal

You're looking for 'WAN' settings

[supple hare]

ok ok I'll look for it xD

My pc even disappears from the list of connect devices with Ethernet. Didn't find WAN but ONT is checked

[supple hare]

Idk if that's useful

Now it pops on again

[supple hare]

Can't find it, nor a way to put everything in english

[peak cloak]

anything below that?

[supple hare]

There's nothing

There's a category "ip" but idk if I can send it here

(yep I'm a noob with everything related to internet)

[waxen saddle]

Can you click on the orange WAN port?

[peak cloak]

block the last 2 or 3 octetes

let me show you an example

this is mine for example

[supple hare]

Doesn't do anything

Ok

[peak cloak]

hide the last 2 octetes of the first IP

[supple hare]

x) ty

[peak cloak]

wait, so crystal wanted to see your WAN page?

[supple hare]

yeah

[peak cloak]

what was the issue again?

DNS issues @tame carbon ?

[supple hare]

Ethernet connection keeps disconnecting, that's all I know

That's what he wanted to see

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak layer 2 conflicts

@peak cloak But I was looking for what kind of tunnel technique they use for their internet

so I could recommend a replacement router

[peak cloak]

Ah

[tame carbon]

@supple hare Yeah, that screenshot is close. I am not looking for the obtained address, but how it obtains the address

DHCP, PPPoE, PPTP,

[supple hare]

I think I found something, sending it

Sorry for the French, can't change it

[peak cloak]

ah that's local

local DHCP settings

what we are looking is how the WAN ip is received

[supple hare]

Not in there ?

[peak cloak]

if anything it would be under WAN

[supple hare]

There isn't anything saying wan

[lean pebble]

can someone tell me why in 2021 and browser stopped support autoplay for audio in websites ?

[little schooner]

@lean pebble that's good. I hate autoplay

It should be opt in

[lean pebble]

I want it

XD

I wanted autoplay for my project

[supple hare]

What is it supposed to look like ?

[peak cloak]

each router is different

if I wanted to use PPPoE I would add a PPPoE interface instead

mine's a bit advanced so I don't expect yours to be anywhere similar

[supple hare]

k

I really don't see anything closer than this

There isn't much

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak you think this is just DHCP?

could plug the laptop directly in the ONT

and see what happens

[peak cloak]

might as well

[tame carbon]

@supple hare plug your PC directly on the fiber box, and see if windows can obtain an IP address

if its DHCP, you can just use whatever router you wish

[hollow marlin]

If his original picture is to go off, it's PPPoE because it's a /32

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin which one?

[peak cloak]

think this one

#networking message

[hollow marlin]

This one

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin can it not obtain a /32 over dhcp?

[hollow marlin]

Yes but you would need a secondary for routing

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin he has two boxes

the fiber ONT, and then this random box

'bbox'

[peak cloak]

the router

[tame carbon]

Yeah, but I think it is just a bridge in the modem, and that the PPPoE stuff is already handled

[peak cloak]

bbox is the router, 99.9% sure

huh

maybe, idk

[hollow marlin]

You still need a secondary, a /32 will island him off. There is no ethernet standard other than P2P or PPPoE that would allow that to work properly

[tame carbon]

He did mention he already replaced his router multiple times

how does the configuration even get passed ?

[hollow marlin]

Also given the settings of his BBox, MTU is 1440 supporting that it's PPPoE

[tame carbon]

afaik PPPoE doesnt have autoconfig, does it?

[hollow marlin]

No it doesn't, but you can use no authentication which beats the whole purpose of using it as an ISP

[tame carbon]

oh

so no auth = whatever is on that line, we give an address?

@hollow marlin those DSL modems I used to have, did configure themselves

[hollow marlin]

If setup that way, yes

[tame carbon]

but that's TR-069 I believe

[hollow marlin]

Yeah, best way to manage the end points

[full comet]

what causes Jitter?

[tame carbon]

Congestion, packet loss, retransmits

[full comet]

i used to get 0ms till last month

now im getting 1ms

[tame carbon]

the horror.

[full comet]

no no im not saying theres a problem

im just asking why that would happen

[tame carbon]

jitter is just the standard deviation from the average

so if you send 10 packets, average 10ms

[full comet]

see, i used to get 0ms

[tame carbon]

you may have 2ms jitter

because you get 9ms, 10ms and 12ms

[full comet]

ahhh

so its the average difference in latency

[peak cloak]

yep

[tame carbon]

Standard deviation

https://i.imgur.com/UnVU7Ba.png

[full comet]

gotcha

[tame carbon]

1ms jitter ^

[hollow marlin]

Yes, when running speed test, you are introducing congestion so that little is of no concern

[full comet]

i know its of no concern lmao, i was just asking why it happens

[tame carbon]

if your jitter is more than half of your ping, then you might ask yourself: whats wrong

[full comet]

i meann, it is half of my ping

my ping is 2ms and jitter is 1ms

[tame carbon]

yeah but <10ms its all

but jitter on wifi and mobile internet is more considerable

[supple hare]

yep, that's right, at least I think

[full comet]

this is on wifi

ethernet is the same tho

[peak cloak]

huh, must be some good wifi

very little noise

[full comet]

there is no difference between my wifi and ethernet

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak I get 1ms extra latency from my wireless :P

[peak cloak]

I get + 9 ms on wifi

[full comet]

i get no speed difference and no ping difference

so i just dont bother running a ethernet cable to my pc

to be fair i have the router in the same room

[peak cloak]

Ethernet still better than wifi, more reliable

[supple hare]

Where can I see the address when doing this ?

[peak cloak]

in cmd: ipconfig /all

[full comet]

i mean this is reliable too, ive never had a problem yet

[supple hare]

ok ty

[hollow marlin]

I haven't gone back through the comments, what issue is Tom trying to resolve?

[peak cloak]

L2 conflicts

let me find it

crystal knows more

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin his router reported a layer 2 device with an IP conflict

giving 20% packet loss

to 1.1.1.1

I had him remove all the devices from his router

[full comet]

tbh it could also be the isps fault

[tame carbon]

and connect wired, but he still had packet loss

the loss was to his local router

[peak cloak]

nah we checked on traceroute

[full comet]

oh

[peak cloak]

it's to the router

[tame carbon]

let me pull the trace back up

https://i.imgur.com/xv04bSC.png

@hollow marlin ^

@full comet packet loss on the first hop, either means: router shit, or cable shit

[full comet]

gotcha

[tame carbon]

100% just means server ignores pings

but the 11% is across the board

@peak cloak you know what I hate? https://i.imgur.com/JD1Wqb6.png

websites that just, make you wait 5 seconds for a stupid download

instead of just giving me a direct url from a cdn

[peak cloak]

what website?

never had issues like that?

[tame carbon]

sourceforge

and then nothing happens.

[peak cloak]

oh yeah

forgot about that

[tame carbon]

like, 5 seconds?!

thats like an hour for someone with fiber

[full comet]

lmao

i have fiber

[tame carbon]

you click click click

speedbump

[full comet]

nah im much more patient

[tame carbon]

same with those STUPID cookie banners

on mobile

[full comet]

maybe cuz i had 8/0.5 internet for the longest time

[tame carbon]

they always come a few seconds after the page loads

so its while ur in the middle of reading

Do yUo WaNt cOoKieS?

[full comet]

now that i have 120/120, im more patient

idc if i have to wait some seconds lmao

[tame carbon]

see this is what I expect a decent internet connection to return in a trace

https://i.imgur.com/FOFBJur.png

none of that, cannot resolve router

[hollow marlin]

Probably a bad cable, have you had him try a constant ping to the second hop only? Rule out any screening shenanigans?

[supple hare]

I get this

[tame carbon]

@supple hare 169.254.0.0/16 is a private range

linklocal

[hollow marlin]

169.254 /16

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin pssh

I was looking it up and corrected it lol

[supple hare]

which means ?

[tame carbon]

@supple hare computer gives itself an address when there is no DHCP, it just means that @hollow marlin was right

and that your router gets its internet connection from the fiber box, probably with PPPoE

Point-To-Point Procotocol over Ethernet

[supple hare]

okk

is that good or bad news ?

[tame carbon]

information

[hollow marlin]

@supple hare is there a page on your ONT that shows any login information?

[supple hare]

x)

[tame carbon]

if you can get your hands on the login details

you can just use any router that supports PPPoE

can windows do pppoe?

[hollow marlin]

You can also login right in windows with PPPoE

[tame carbon]

yeah

if we can detect 0% loss on that

then we know its something with the bbox

[supple hare]

on the ont itself ?

[hollow marlin]

Correct

[supple hare]

I'll check

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin I think thats the router here

he has two devices

one is fiber to ethernet from PON

[peak cloak]

My ONT from what I read has no info (fios)

so idk if his does

[tame carbon]

here its just plain ethernet over fiber

[peak cloak]

no need to flex

lol

I wish

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak no, but I am just confused

by the unnessesary level of complexity

that comes out of PON

[peak cloak]

less individual runs needed?

[tame carbon]

but the whole network stack

[hollow marlin]

Well which ever one he has the screenshot of the public. That's what he will need to login

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin https://i.imgur.com/KwHRSxd.png

?

[supple hare]

There's IMEI, PROD ID

Not much else

[tame carbon]

can you show the menu

[supple hare]

the sticker ?

[tame carbon]

no in the router, you've only shown us detail views

but can you send us a screenshot of the menu options

[supple hare]

Yeah ok

[tame carbon]

@plain siren are you alive?

can you translate? xD

[tame carbon]

omg xD

its a router

what have they done ?!

xD

Descending occupation

lol

[supple hare]

Wait just to be sure, you wanted a screenshot of the page that I get when connected to the router right ?

[tame carbon]

ok, click on FttH

@supple hare oh, are you using their telephone btw?

[supple hare]

No xD

[tame carbon]

ok, good

cus setting that up, is hell

xD

are there no settings or things you can change?

no configuration fields?

[supple hare]

Nothing at all

Turn the wifi on and off

Schedule it to turn off

[tame carbon]

most limited router I've ever seen

@supple hare you should call your ISP, and ask them for the PPPoE login and configuration details

[supple hare]

There's also this useless crap

[tame carbon]

@supple hare you can get your own router and just configure a PPPoE client

as long as you know the login information

[supple hare]

Okk thanks

[tame carbon]

but i'd call the ISP first and ask

[supple hare]

But how would that solve the problem if getting another of their router wouldn't work ?

[tame carbon]

well

I think this router is just

bad

and if you can get the login information

[supple hare]

xD very accurate tbh

[tame carbon]

you can just put your own device there

its not that expensive

[supple hare]

ok tysm !

[tame carbon]

you get full control over your local network

and firewall configuration

[supple hare]

any specific one ?

[tame carbon]

I use only mikrotiks here at home

european company makes those

they get software updates for like at least 5 years after purchase

and are very affordable, and can basically do it all

[supple hare]

that's nice

ty

[tame carbon]

@supple hare what network speed do you have

so I can recommend a specific one

and also, do you need wireless on it

[supple hare]

Yes wireless too, I used to have 550mb/s with the router that I have rn

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac3#fndtn-specifications

this is the king among home wifi routers in their lineup

since you have fiber optics, need a router that can at least push gigabit speeds

this one is brand new, came out a few months ago

I have this one: https://mikrotik.com/product/hap_ac2

Its smaller, but just as powerful, except its wireless coverage isnt as good as external antennas

And in their software, you can just configure a new client https://i.imgur.com/HedHJIY.png

we can help you set it up

but, we need that login info, or we got nowhere. so plan this out

[supple hare]

yep, definitely will

Thanks !

[tame carbon]

@supple hare I think that hAP ac2 and ac3 are both capable of routing something like 2gbit/s xD

which is not bad for a 60 euro router

[oak night]

Where should I buy cat6a cables i can't find them?

Possibly in europe

[clear igloo]

Amazon?

[waxen scroll]

kek

[oak night]

Can't find

I need like 300m(1000ft) of cable

And cant find it

Anywhere

[clear igloo]

https://www.fs.com/de/products/58727.html
https://intellinetnetwork.eu/collections/bulk-cable/products/intellinet-en-cat6a-sftp-bulk-cable-solid-23-awg-705035

[oak night]

Ok thanks

[waxen scroll]

as an ex datacenter tech, screw those wooden reels

weighed a ton

*shames Lurick

[supple hare]

omg 😮 what is the next thing bottle necking such speeds ? Cables ?

[simple rapids]

How can i configure the dns of easy.box

[robust plinth]

run the " ipconfig /all "command in powershell

It will show your DNS

[waxen saddle]

You can get 10gigabit over CAT6A.

[pale mantle]

remember tho the pinouit for 6a and 6 are the same

[peak cloak]

always is

it's just shielding

make sure you actually connect the shielding to a shielded port and connector or else it's useless

for the shielding to work it needs to be grounded

[tame carbon]

@supple hare network interface itself, is only 1gbit. so you wont ever be bottlenecked by the router

[tacit mantle]

i dont understand, what do i need to change

mine should be Wi-Fi but im not sure what i need to do

nvm i got it

[lean pebble]

Guys what do you think on this drive ? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H289S79/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_NJKA77YHEY5PZJZA1632?psc=1
For my nas configuration

[static knoll]

5900RPM? Surely a NAS drive should be at least 7200

[lean pebble]

Ya should be

[static knoll]

I mean it is 4tb for only $110 but regardless

[lean pebble]

Those are ironwalf

153$ for me

[ocean pivot]

What are you using the nas for?

[lean pebble]

Shipping included

Backup my pc and plex server

I already have the plex server just I need storage for it

[ocean pivot]

For plex definitely get an ssd for your app data

but 5900rpm should be fine

[lean pebble]

I have an old SSD that I can use

[static knoll]

It is slow tho

[lean pebble]

And ssd is cheap I'll use it for acceleration

[static knoll]

What's up with 10000 RPM drives btw

Are they any betterr?

[lean pebble]

2 expensive

[ocean pivot]

Unless you're doing 10g the network is going to be the bottleneck anyway

[static knoll]

Ehhhhhh I guess

[ocean pivot]

10k rpm drives are usually server drives now a days, they used to be a good boot before ssds were widely available

[lean pebble]

I'm jobless so need to cut on specific parts

[ocean pivot]

I did shucking for my first drives for my nas

[static knoll]

Hoo boy

[lean pebble]

I have a bunch of 300/600gb sas to

[static knoll]

Do I smite this kid who hasn't been paying attention or talk to him firmly

[lean pebble]

At home

I have 1.2tb of sas raw storage

[static knoll]

Do I smite this mans or no???

[lean pebble]

With raid controller but I don't know it I can take it out from the old server and use it in different computer

Full tower server

[ocean pivot]

smite who?

[lean pebble]

Old hp G6 server that making a noise or 10 airplanes combined

[static knoll]

My friend, who said:
ya ima stop mining, its taking too much time
i need to draw

He didn't pay attention, so obviously he didn't find out that he made ETH from his mining...

[ocean pivot]

lol

[lean pebble]

Lol

[static knoll]

Like, am I responsible for letting him know? I pinged everyone in the server lol

So the question is, do I smite him or what

Not actual smite with fire lol

[lean pebble]

Take his eth

[static knoll]

See that would be wrong of me, but I want it

[lean pebble]

😆

I mined on my dedicated server in Germany on CPU and my server cpu got fried out at some point

[static knoll]

Its my duty to pay people right, but he didn't pay one bit of attention while the others did

At an impasse rn

[lean pebble]

Lol

[static knoll]

@lean pebble What's the best course of action here

In your opinion

[lean pebble]

Ask where he mined and mine by yourself

And tell him to pay attention next time

[static knoll]

No, I know what he's owed, I manage everything

[lean pebble]

Oh

[static knoll]

Yeah, I probably shouldn't smite him seeing that the more miners we have the better lol

[lean pebble]

So mine to

😆

[static knoll]

No like I have a whole subpool

7 miners

[lean pebble]

Nice

I want to join but I have nowhere to mine

[static knoll]

I should just talk nice to him

[static knoll]

You can mine ETH with us

[lean pebble]

But the program should run on my pc

[static knoll]

Everyone is welcome (assuming they pay attention and are respectful)

Yes it should run on your PC

MInimum 5GB VRAM, recommended 8

[lean pebble]

You see I can't do that

[static knoll]

How much vram do you have?

[lean pebble]

Electricity is too expensive here

[static knoll]

How much is the kWh?

in USD

[lean pebble]

I have my beast pc

[static knoll]

How much is the kWh where you are

Like, how much does a kWh cost

[lean pebble]

Let me check but everything here is expensive

[static knoll]

If its from 0.1-0.2 dollars per should be ok

Less is even better, more is a bit ehh

[lean pebble]

I hope this is update and accurate

How much kwh a month this needed

And I really don't want to kill my GPU

@static knoll

[static knoll]

Hmm

That's about 17 cents a kWh

I assume you have household and not business?

[lean pebble]

Ya

[static knoll]

What GPU?

[lean pebble]

GTX 1060 founders edition and RTX 2070 super advanced

[static knoll]

Hmm

Should be ok

@lean pebble you would have to do a bit of undervolting but should still be profitable

Maximum I'd say for mining is 20 cents to the kWh

[lean pebble]

For how much mining?

[static knoll]

Wdym how much mining?

You can mine as much as you want

[lean pebble]

The profit

[static knoll]

Oh

I have to calculate that, gimme a bit

@lean pebble 1060 will net you about 1.50-1.70 a day, 2070S 3.00-3.20 daily

[lean pebble]

1.5-1.7 bitcoins or ethereum I lost you 😅

[static knoll]

USD

You really think you can make 1.5 ETH daily with a 1060? Lol

[lean pebble]

😆

Bitcoin not for sure

[static knoll]

Lol

So what will it be @lean pebble

[lean pebble]

Now I can't 😅

[static knoll]

?

[lean pebble]

Maybe after I'll finish my studies

[static knoll]

You can let it run while you sleep yk

[lean pebble]

Or I'll do it on the nas I'm planning

[static knoll]

You need GPUs for it

CPU and other stuff doesn't rlly matter

[lean pebble]

I'm building it with old gear I have

I'll get a gpu don't worry

[static knoll]

Alright

[lean pebble]

Gpu is pretty cheap

[static knoll]

I'll invite you to the discord then, so you caan take a look

[lean pebble]

If I'm not going of high end gpu

1660 gtx will give me more than the 1060?

[static knoll]

well yes

[lean pebble]

Well I'm off to bed cya tomorrow

[static knoll]

Cya

[plucky crescent]

@tame carbon are you still in here?

[static knoll]

@tame carbon is idle i think

[plucky crescent]

I was not around when they addressed me....

[static knoll]

Ah

[plucky crescent]

I just need to understand how to make a simple queue and fasttrack work together. It may be that they already are, since my guess is that the speed test just opens one TCP stream? I have no idea what I'm talking about though, just throwing out guesses.

[waxen saddle]

What is fasttrack?

[hollow marlin]

Fasttrack and simple queues cannot work on the same traffic. Fasttrack marks a flow and all subsequent packets bypass the CPU, which includes the firewall and simple queues. Simple queues requires CPU processing, which is why Fasttrack is meant to eliminate

[hollow marlin]

In some linux based OSes like RouterOS and Junos, Fasttrack is used to reduce the CPU usage on firewalls by "marking" a connection (source/destination IP and port) on the first 2 packets. The 3rd packet that comes in now instead of going through 10-20 processing steps is accepted in the first/second processing step.

Here in Junos for example

[waxen saddle]

Is that software processing? Or hardware? Or both?

It sounds a lot like flow processing instead of per-packet processing

[hollow marlin]

Mikrotik it is indeed software

[waxen saddle]

Ah ok. Thanks for explaining. I heard a few rumors of flow-based routing, and it made sense to me. I just never saw any products that used it or really heard about it for years up until this very moment.

[hollow marlin]

Flow based routing is used with equal cost routes (ECMP). Not to save resources but per-packet routing over equal cost routes can lead to out of order packets. You can configure Juniper/Cisco to do per-packet routing but there is more downsides than benefits. Fasttrack is really used on firewalls, its short for fastpath connection-tracking

Firewall services really cannot be done in ASICs (not entirely true) hence need to process via CPU to do what a firewall does best.

[dusty osprey]

It could probably still be done in specialized chips though right?

FPGA's or so

[hollow marlin]

Yeah, thats why I mentioned not entirely true. There are FPGA switch chips able to handle it

[oblique marlin]

@tame carbon

i am not able to recieve connections

on my port 8080

i have set port range from 8080 to 8080

but still i am not able to listen

[hollow marlin]

If you are referring to port forward 8080, you are going to break a ton of things

[molten storm]

How many MB/s do you guys get?

[thick minnow]

MB orMbit?

[tame carbon]

@oblique marlin check firewall, local IP

@hollow marlin though fastpath and fasttrack are two different things, right?

https://i.imgur.com/W71QBkc.png

I have this disabled because I use queues, and the RB4011 can easily route 10gbit/s without fastpath

fasttrack you can just mark in firewall https://i.imgur.com/8biN1dJ.png

[lean pebble]

Good morning to all the crazy doctors out there that have more than 20tb storage in their house and log the log of the log.
And good morning to the other normal ppl that just want nas and talking here about everything xd

[granite bridge]

Good morning!

[lean pebble]

🙂

[tame carbon]

https://i.imgur.com/ZX6S9Zp.png

new splash :o

[thick minnow]

wasn't aware of that channel lol

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow here be dragons

[thick minnow]

i suck so much in networking that that can be true

i found a product that maybe can work

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow You have an ADSL connection?

[thick minnow]

https://www.amazon.it/TP-Link-TL-R470T-Balance-Broadband-Router/dp/B004UC9V8Q

[tame carbon]

Did you get anything from your ISP, a modem or router?

[thick minnow]

it's not for me tbh

it's for a small office, but i usually don't follow networking stuff

but he need it, it's an old client, so

well, long story short, he have a fiber connection and an adsl connection

5 or 6 pc

and he need to connect everything together

:E

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow you can ditch the adsl line

and just use fiber optics

[thick minnow]

i can for sure, but he want both

[tame carbon]

wat xD ok

[thick minnow]

he think it's like an hospital, dunno

it's just a small office, if internet go down for an hour or two it's nothing

but well, he pay two bills and he's happy, so be it

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow yeah my point being, you can't really use two internet links like that in paralel

unless you set up some kind failover, but that seems a bit over the top

[thick minnow]

no it's ok with a load balancer

[ancient basin]

Use the adsl as backup maybe

[thick minnow]

yep

[tame carbon]

so, failover.

[thick minnow]

i found that tplink above that it's a load balancer

and COULD be ok, but really dunno

[tame carbon]

Load balancing is for the other way around

incoming -> two or more machines

You'd use fiber optics as primary internet, and ADSL as failover

updating internal routing tables if one link goes down

[thick minnow]

that should be surely enough

[tame carbon]

I really doubt tplink in being capable of doing this

and failover configuration isnt exactly easy

[thick minnow]

hum, i'll go for the easiest way

[ancient basin]

You need some way to detect when the primary line is down

[tame carbon]

@ancient basin on mikrotiks I do this with a script

script pings the gateway, and if it times out, it switches over

@thick minnow easiest way is not bothering with failover. Getting a regular router

and then just plugging ADSL in, when fiber goes down

xD

[lean pebble]

lol

I ahve no failover

so if adsl down I'm down

[tame carbon]

https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Failover_with_firewall_marking

[thick minnow]

if it's not a failover it's ok, i mean

[thick minnow]

if it's more a trouble than other

[tame carbon]

The way this works

https://i.imgur.com/91GZPPU.png

You define two routes to the internet

and set the primary with a shorter distance, and a gateway check

[thick minnow]

well, the theory behind it it's simple (i think)

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow its all been abstracted away, so on paper its quite simple

its just a bit finecky dialing in the specifics

[thick minnow]

no well, i think i'll go for something more plug and play :E (the more i can)

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow plug and play with networking, is a fantasy

[thick minnow]

if i need to script things too, who know what i can get

lol, please tell me that there is a load balancer with dhcp

like, i plug the two adsl in a router, plug an access point in it and the thing is over

😦

[tame carbon]

Mikrotiks come with sensible default configuration

with a DHCP client on port 1, and LAN on the other ports

and a default firewall

you can just configure failover, as per their guide on their wiki

but its advanced configuration, for which you'd be able to ask us for tips

@thick minnow the situation you have, is that you have two WANs

and routing between two WANs, is a bit more complicated

[thick minnow]

yes, that for sure :<

[tame carbon]

but the mikrotik guide on this

https://i.imgur.com/IRlQr6A.png

this is pretty reasonable

[thick minnow]

i'm still lagging about this, like: what i need to connect the two wans?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow any router, that is at least more capable than consumer routers

[thick minnow]

the script is ok, but on what hardware?

so, even one of the router used by ISP?

or a new one?

[tame carbon]

https://mikrotik.com/products/group/ethernet-routers

I'm only knowledgeable in one brand right now

so if others here have a suggestion, they may chip in.

[thick minnow]

to be honest i know nothing (more than others!) about microtik, are they good?

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow I'm a big fan, 5 years software updates after purchase

and they have enterprise features, for a consumer price

@thick minnow what speeds are we looking at on the fiber?

https://mikrotik.com/product/hex_s

This is a pretty solid ethernet router

you can pair it with a switch, to connect more computers

[thick minnow]

i think it's like 100mbps

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow all the mikrotiks run the same software, so that guide applies to all

[thick minnow]

and adsl is 20mbps

[tame carbon]

^ that one comes with SFP, for fiber

There's also a variant without SFP

you can ignore the markings on the box about 'internet' and 'LAN'

that's just default, you can remap the ports to your liking.

You'd plug both internet connections into that box, and then configure the firewall and router accordingly

Wireless, you can also manage with this

https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ac#fndtn-specifications

You can buy standalone wireless access points, connect them to the router

and then you can manage them from the router directly

[thick minnow]

hum, if i read that it sound quite simple

but i'm sure i'll do something stupid

is there a guide, like, for children?

an anti-idiotic step to step guide

you don't know me, but i do, and i don't trust myself in nothing that it's about routing/cables/internet

[ancient basin]

The tp-link you linked might work looking at the spec sheet quickly. No idea how the load balancing actually works on that

[thick minnow]

about the quality, i have no particular needs; i mean, the two adsl doesn't even have problems lol

it's just a paranoid think, but usually the connections are stable

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow as a company, you'd hire a contractor to do this for you

so no, there's not really a children's guide to do failover

@thick minnow You dont have any special needs, if you only use a single connection

but just plugging two modems into a router, doesnt automagically work.

[thick minnow]

i want automagic!

):

i need to study about this thing

[tame carbon]

@thick minnow if you get one of those mikrotiks, I can help you set it up

That guide doesnt look to complicated, I'm sure we can replicate their setup

[thick minnow]

i'll tell him about this

need to check this stuff in euros

then i can tell him the price

[tame carbon]

hex S is like 60 euros

those access points cost about the same

and for a company, that's a laughable amount of money

[hollow marlin]

They are different but related. Fastpath can speed up bridge/routing/mpls at the hardware level, but the bridging is really unclear to me if you look in the packet flow of where its being sped up. Fasttrack relies on fastpath and connection tracking (aka FastTrack) to speed up the firewall processing. Fasttrack makes sense, fastpath in bridging does not to me

[tame carbon]

@hollow marlin I learned about this the hard way lol

I was setting up a queue, to limit bandwidth to a downstream router

and it didnt work..

so I was like testing and debugging trying to figure out why it wasnt working

and in doing so, I had Torch running in the background

and then mysteriously, the queue worked...

so I was like: cool, job done

so I closed everything

and then the queue was not working xD

Turns out, when you run torch. (it even says this in documentation), that routing behaves differently

because it disables fastpath while torch is running xD

and you cannot have queues and fastpath enabled

[oak night]

Is a Buffalo terastation worth 20 euros with no drives?

[peak cloak]

seems fine

idk

[tame carbon]

20 bucks for a computer

[oak night]

Ok so yes

And in there there i also a switch of 24 ports 100mb/s

[tame carbon]

I also.. what?

found?

[oak night]

Sorry for my English

[tame carbon]

100M switches suck. Though if it has 1G uplink ports, it may still be of some use

[oak night]

I saw this used package of thing and bought is for 20 bucks

[oak night]

Ok how much can I sell it for ?

[tame carbon]

idunno

I wouldnt buy it

I just know, I wouldn't throw it away either

since you never know when a lan party happens

[thorny vector]

The terastation alone is worth it. I wouldn't bother trying to sell that switch. Keep it around as a backup, is my suggestion

[tame carbon]

and a 24 port switch is a pre for a lan party

xD

[peak cloak]

parties

[tame carbon]

last time I partied was 2019

I remember it like yesterday though xD

@thorny vector I got a box of 3com switches I saved from the garbage bin

3x 48 port (with 4x 1G uplink)

My plan for them was to hold onto them, until the day that I plan on doing my own home automation

48x 100M for IoT is great

[waxen scroll]

i just bought my first wifi IoTs

shelly

never done MQTT or any of that yet

im gonna migrate off zwave where I can

not happy that zwave devices cost double wifi and the protocol is kinda temperamental

they're not here yet so IDK, but im hoping the reaction of wifi ones are just as fast

[peak cloak]

I'm not a fan of wifi IOT as can't someone just crack the wifi and have access to everything iot

unless you go WPA-Enterprise

idk if IOT supports that though

[waxen scroll]

im not concerned much

even if i had a wifi lock, i have a security layer that the automation stuff cant disable but can read

[tame carbon]

@peak cloak Lora is a decent alternative

has way more range than wireless

[peak cloak]

huh

[tame carbon]

and even exists as a public network :D