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#networking
tame carbon
@twin zealot Deltafiber is a two-prong company
they have the fiber operator "Delta Fiber"
and the ISP "Delta fiber nederland"
even though I use weserve, I still pay delta for the fiber itself
twin zealot
nice
tame carbon
charred meadow
Is this a reasonable deal? (price in cad)
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3376772452418792
tame carbon
facebook don't work on my network :3
charred meadow
200$ Canadian, but it was posted 3 months ago so I'd ask for less. Looks a bit bent but, they don't show up much around here.
tame carbon
not a very deep closet, is it?
do you have the dimensions?
I mean, depends on how many U you need
that looks like a full rack, 48U
but depends on how deep it is, what you can actually put in
networking gear is fine, but servers are larger and much longer
@charred meadow those mounts on the right side look pretty banged up
charred meadow
Yeah, that definitely does not look deep enough for my servers
tame carbon
I have a tiny 12U closet, and the server case is tiny too
I forget the dimensions
$200 is a ripoff honestly
that thing is worth more in scrap metal
like $15
charred meadow
There's one other on marketplace that's a way better deal. But I can't get there cuz of covid.
tame carbon
do you just have a pile of servers for the moment? xD
charred meadow
Yep
tame carbon
hehe
charred meadow
In a dusty crawl space.
tame carbon
@charred meadow problem with bent rails is that their internal strength is compromised
and idk how heavy the equipment is that you are putting in
plus, bent mounts + sliding rails dont mesh well
charred meadow
I'll probably just build something myself at some point.
tame carbon
@charred meadow scrapyards, sometimes get this kind of stuff to come in
could call them, ask them if they have any of them
or any come in, they send you an email
sadly cus corona lot of things cant be done rn
like when companies go bankrupt, auctions can be nice too
get cheap crap, nobody is after racks
charred meadow
That's a good Idea. Thanks!
tame carbon
@charred meadow company writeoffs are great
cus they have stuff to get rid of
and they pay to have it disposed of
so you can usually buy it for cheap
thick minnow
Hi, would there be a way to run Ethernet with minimal disturbance? I can’t really have the floors pulled up or anything. It needs to go from one floor to another. The two spots are also the other side of the house.
dry shoal
Powerline adapters maybe? Zero intrusion, extra cost.
tame carbon
@thick minnow cable gutters along the walls near the floor/ceiling?
you can get ones you just stick on
ethernet can still be bent relatively tightly
thick minnow
<@456226577798135808> cable gutters along the walls near the floor/ceiling?
Like cable trunking sort of thing?
tame carbon
ye
you can get them in all sizes
and all you need is a blocksaw to cut those 45 degree corners
thick minnow
Ok, thanks!
honest saffron
I know this is a bit of a shot in the dark, but does anyone happen to know what 25GbE Mellanox NICs LMG is using for their network upgrade? I have been trying to find a good NIC that plays nicely with Windows 10, because the Intel ones I have only have drivers that work in windows server
honest saffron
if only i could 
tame carbon
if you plan on doing file sharing with windows @ 25gbit
good luck
the windows network stack is terrible
tame carbon
25G is very expensive
compared to say, 10G
goes up very quickly when you go above 25G
honest saffron
i already have all the infra, just need a NIC that works in windows 10
tame carbon
yeah no idea :/
clear igloo
I'd go with something like this:
https://www.fs.com/products/75603.html?attribute=4840&id=199931
Mellanox NIC is there too
honest saffron
Intel XXV710 and the 800 series dont have windows 10 drivers :/
clear igloo
really?
tame carbon
@clear igloo I was looking at that exact page
as you linked it
@honest saffron what, need windows pro or something?
tame carbon
yeah
better cough up that money for more bs propietary lockdowns
or find another chip maker, mellanox you said?
clear igloo
What about the Mellanox one on the same page?
honest saffron
yeah apparently mellanox works
but they are known for having a million skus
i was going to order straight from them, but its like $600 USD with like a 50% restocking fee or something
tame carbon
clear igloo
wait
Thats the same one as here:
https://www.fs.com/products/119649.html?attribute=4840&id=199930
clear igloo
But the one @honest saffron linked I mean
Same card but half the price on FS.com over mellanox directly
honest saffron
Yeah Crystal the one you linked doesnt have PCIe 4.0, and the one you linked Lurick doesn't either
tame carbon
its backwards compatible
clear igloo
oh, weird, it's the same sku it seems but not
honest saffron
when you go to the connect-x6 it gets even better
sacred gorge
Hey guys, possibly a bit unconventional question. I'm trying to get my wifi signal to reach a neighbors house who just had their house built and comcast wont install service for another 3 months so they have been using hotspots for their kids school and their work, as of now the network does not reach them, we're about 150ft away and have direct line of sight with nothing in between the houses. Is there a "best way" to go about this?
waxen saddle
Without spending any extra money: Place your WiFi as physically close to your neighbor and as free from obstructions as possible.
sacred gorge
They're willing to spend a little to get a connection seeing as they have basically no service at the moment so anything under like 100$ isnt a big deal for them
and we only have coax in one location so I cant really move the modem or router
Our house is 120 years old and only got coax put in 2 years ago
thorny vector
@sacred gorge MoCA can do 300 foot coax runs without signal loss. Gigabit speeds, should stay in price range too.
sacred gorge
can you explain that to me @thorny vector Im not familiar with MoCA at all and I was on the mindset of using wifi bridges or something along those lines.
thorny vector
It uses coax cable (similar to docsis modems from ISP’s). So you get wired speeds, but weather proofed coax is way cheaper to buy weather proofed Ethernet, and you can run it longer without a repeater.
sacred gorge
oh god
let me find a less awful link
Could this just work? https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/outdoor-radio/cpe210/
without needing to put down any wires
thorny vector
That’ll work. Just have to make sure both sides are aligned for good signal.
sacred gorge
ok, do I need to have two of them for it to function?
thorny vector
Yeah. They both need to be able to have the extended range, or else only one one will hear the other, but not the other way around.
sacred gorge
ok, thanks I appreciate the help. and im sure my neighbor will be excited as well.
they've already been a month on only phone hotspots and with 3 young girls I can only imagine the struggle entertaining them
does it work as a router on the other end? or will we need to have a router plugged into it there?
serene willow
so i am on a gig connection why is my upload so slow i ussally am in the 600s
tame carbon
@sacred gorge point to point is another option
you need line of sight, but it allows you to set up a highspeed link between two buildings
without cables
@sacred gorge though I wouldn't trust tplink for this xD
ocean pivot
ocean pivot
I guess its amazon, I can try it and return if it sucks lol
tame carbon
all I know is you need to make sure it's Capable of DOCSIS 3.1
@ocean pivot nah
you need to look at the specs
what DOCSIS standard they use
its the specification for data over coaxial
But I've never used it myself, only seen it in passing reference here
@peak cloak might be able to give some tips
if he is around, that is.
@ocean pivot I can';t really find any good information on what the actual link speeds are
ocean pivot
Okay thank you
tame carbon
it says 1G, but is that half or full duplex ? :D
sacred gorge
<@!175456691620413440> point to point is another option
Ok thanks, I have a real clear line of sight here so thats not an issue.
tame carbon
@sacred gorge mikrotik also sells CPE equipment
you can get a gigabit p2p link for under 150 bucks I believe
sacred gorge
ok, I'll talk to my neighbor and see what he is wanting to spend. Its just a temporary solution so I don't want him to have to spend too much on something he won't have a use for in the future
I saw a ubiquiti one that was like 50 bucks a unit
the nanostation Loco I think
peak cloak
all I know is you need to make sure it's Capable of DOCSIS 3.1
wut, dociss is for ISPs. Moca is a different coax protocol
tame carbon
@peak cloak oh, really?
peak cloak
yeah
peak cloak
idk much either
but they are two different things that run on separate frequencies
if you want techincal specs
tame carbon
@peak cloak I thought MoCA was the overarching term for the DOCSIS specs
similair to ATM for DSL lines
peak cloak
idk anything about DSL
moca and dociss are different specs
dociss 3.1 uses 6.4 MHz to 96 MHz for upstream, 24 MHz to 192 MHz for downstream
moca on the other hand uses 500 to 1650 MHz
peak cloak
Okay thank you
look for moca 2.0. Moca 2.0 is capable of 1 gbps.
peak cloak
<@!222482269829332992> I thought MoCA was the overarching term for the DOCSIS sp...
from what I read, there are 3 main things running on coax, CATV, DOCISS, and MOCA. CATV is just cable TV, DOCISS is for internet, and moca is for local within-location communication. I've seen people put moca filters on their incoming coax to filter out moca signals from other homes. It just seems like such a mess
tame carbon
@peak cloak yeah coaxial is just one fat medium
with bandwidth for everyone
its like your own private radiospace, except your entire neighborhood is interfering with you
shell raptor
Romanian Digi's Internet plan^^
(I added things like converted prices and converted the text into English)
For the Canadians out there:
30 LEI = 9⁵⁴ CAD
35 LEI = 11¹³ CAD
40 LEI = 12⁷² CAD
pearl flame
my fibernet. enough in 2021?
fossil yew
for ray william johnson probably enough
peak cloak
my fibernet. enough in 2021?
it's alright
that's not fiber is it?
if that's fiber that's terrible
waxen saddle
yes. Definitely enough for streaming
idle idol
Would the lack of IPv6 effect the speed tests im doing? for a 1GB plan, im seeing 500mbps. Mediacom says they see nothing wrong with the modem so im trying to find any issues. The do however provide an IPv6 address so im curious if by not supplying clients that behind the NAT it could hinder the speeds
distant tusk
yes. Definitely enough for streaming
thanks
peak cloak
Would the lack of IPv6 effect the speed tests im doing? for a 1GB plan, im seein...
unless there is some sort of bug, it shouldn't
most speedtests are ipv4 only
idle idol
unless there is some sort of bug, it shouldn't
I doubt that SpeedTest.net would be any different then. got IPv6 working and increased my ping time by 10ms.. eyeroll
peak cloak
your ISP may not have that great of ipv6 implementation
idle idol
your ISP may not have that great of ipv6 implementation
I dont think they do at all. They rolled it out year before last. But im thinking its just my system. my wifes system as old as it is, is able to saturate the 1G line at 880mbps.
Just tested that a few moments ago. So at least i dont have to hear her complain about it..
tame carbon
@idle idolspeeds should be the same
though peering may be different
so you may get different routes on v6 compared to v4
night quail
i have a quick question y'all, why don't cable internet providers use two coax cables(one for download, one for upload) insted of one?
primal ice
cause they don't need to. the transmissions are done with frequency. like fiber optic the transmission is done with light wave lengths (or frequency so to say). why waste the extra materials.
night quail
oh i was wondering because the upload speed for cable internet is far less than the download
primal ice
that is just them being lazy and only putting together so many channels (frequencies) for upload.
night quail
oh
peak cloak
oh
yep, it's on the ISP to set how many channels they want to delegate to upload and download. Most prioritize download rather than upload
if you want to take a look at the DOCISS 3.1 spec
pretty complicated
night quail
bruhhh 220 pages long
peak cloak
dociss 3.1 is theoretically capable of 10 gbps download and 1-2 gbps upload
shell raptor
my fibernet. enough in 2021?
I live in the middle of nowhere and despite having fibernet, my village is just cursed do I have lower speeds
I have 5Mbps download and 30Mbps upload
But Imma update my plan to 40lei ($10)
(min 200Mbps, max 940Mbps)
idle idol
When setting up your own DNS server, what is a goal pheasable goal to strive for the average processing time? im sitting at 30ms with a RPI4
primal ice
just use cloudflare or quad9 or google for dns. :p
idle idol
I was getting worse belive it or not, and without the adblocking
primal ice
yes faster connection / name translation would be the goal.
its still going to have to connect to higher tier dns servers for stuff it does not already have a record for.
idle idol
yes faster connection / name translation would be the goal.
Right, and thats alright by me. What im after is to "accellerate" common websites. we have a noticeable lag between pressing a button and it to initiate loading of a domain. Thats why we went in house with the DNS
waxen saddle
First DNS resolution will take x time as it has to reach out to the Internet. Subsequent soon-after lookups will be very fast.
peak cloak
@idle idol you can use DNS Benchmark to find the fastest DNS server to you https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm
stone kite
Are there any FTP experts in the house?
peak cloak
Are there any FTP experts in the house?
just ask, what's the issue?
waxen scroll
Ask just to ask
stone kite
I can't get it to be public
peak cloak
for one, you don't want to use ftp over the internet
use a secure version of it like sftp
waxen saddle
FTP is perfectly fine. It's sending passwords and expecting it to be secure that is bad.
peak cloak
yeah
true
maybe some ISP's block it?
idk
@stone kite you mean to the internet or to your LAN?
stone kite
Internet.
unborn sluice
Generic reply:
Did you port forward
Are you on cgnat
stone kite
Yes. The nas doesn't seem to care tho
peak cloak
if not, then are you under CGNAT, which is what Kyou said
stone kite
It's a Zyxel nas326
stone kite
I haven't tried it locally. I am more concerned with external than internal.
peak cloak
well, that's part of troubleshooting. Got to break it up and see if it works locally. Eliminate ISP and port forwarding as possible problems and make sure it works locally
thorny vector
How about we don’t expose any consumer hardware like that to the internet?
hollow marlin
How about we don’t expose any consumer hardware like that to the internet?
Zyxel is already doing it for you. Second known backdoor came out a few weeks ago
thorny vector
It’s felt like the cyber world has blown up since solarwinds
@hollow marlin
I know/hope everything since then isn’t related to it, but it’s been a shotgun blast what’s felt like every week, and it’s affecting almost all our customers
At the same time we’re migrating tools, so that’s been great training guys on indicators and the tools
hollow marlin
Yeah its only getting worse. I know some companies still struggling with the SW migration.
unborn sluice
How about we don’t expose any consumer hardware like that to the internet?
Some of them just don't care
Verbatim:
"It's just family photos, nothing important here" -Some guy.
unborn goblet
DoS Protection On/Off in router settings? 
thorny vector
On
peak cloak
That said, I don't think a regular home router would be able to prevent against a large DOS attack?
maybe against TCP SYN floods?
thorny vector
It's actually REAAALLY easy to defend against a DOS. Just setup a drop rule against an IP. Which I imagine that setting does. Then the nic handles all the drops, with minimal impact on the device
peak cloak
ah yeah, DDOS on the other hand
thorny vector
Second verse, same as the first. More of an impact performance wise, but really only large groups these days can orchestrate DDOS's that have any kind of impact
And at that point, you have other worries than a DOS. You have a large scale actor after you.
peak cloak
true, I just realized that if you just have a small service running it would pretty easy to see the abnormal traffic from the rest.
obtuse oxide
jusht farded
fresh jacinth
this problem has been bugging me for months, i cant seem to port forward, i disable my firewalls, reset my router, contacted customer service, still nothing. now im starting to wonder if the issue is that im using a sim card for my router
so is it that u cant port forward on a sim card?
lone fossil
hey guys
i just did an nmap on my IP, and there are a few ports that concern me
are these supposed to be open?
primal ice
if you did it from the internal network it would be normal. if you did it from an external source - using your phone as a hot spot or the wifi at the cafe down the street (starbucks), then I would be worried.
lone fossil
i did it from within my lan
fresh jacinth
@primal ice do u know a solution to my problem? #networking message
lone fossil
Because it was strange, i wanted to host my website with flask, and i got it all to work and even a friend of mine that is on the same ISP could see my website on port 80
but when i tried from my phone's mobile data, i couldn't
i also tried DMZing my computer
but then i got a 443 C&C ransomeware
and i paniced and shut everything down... now im doing some digging and trying to learn how everything works
primal ice
so is it that u cant port forward on a sim card?
most likely because you are using LTE (sim card) you are behind CGNAT so will not be able to port forward.
fresh jacinth
but somehow i actually port forwarded for a while
with a sim card
but then it just suddenly stopped working
primal ice
do a tracert to 1.1.1.1 if you see multiple private address -10.x.x.x or 172.x.x.x you are probably in a CGNAT environment now and possible before you were not.
fresh jacinth
well heres where another problem comes in
some of the cmd commands r missing in my system32 file
this happened most likely after i updated java for some reason
but commands such as ipconfig and tracert r unrecognized
primal ice
try running the command prompt as admin
fresh jacinth
o well that was dumb
running as admin worked
and yea it shows multiple ips but some have timed out
so i cant really do anything huh
primal ice
it will show multiple IPs mines 8 to 15 hops depending if I do ipv6 or ipv4 should default to ipv4 unless you specify ..
fresh jacinth
hollow marlin
do a tracert to 1.1.1.1 if you see multiple private address -10.x.x.x or 172.x....
No necessarily true. If the ISP didn't setup the primaries correctly you will get responses from their internal. Not all interfaces are always public within.
primal ice
and the timeouts just mean the router isn't responding to ICMP
fresh jacinth
No necessarily true. If the ISP didn't setup the primaries correctly you will ge...
well still means i cant really do anything about it
correct?
primal ice
i also tried DMZing my computer
yeah DMZing the anything without a good built in firewall (windows is not a good built in firewall unless its server edition) is a bad idea that tells your router to forward all the incoming packets to that computer fully exposing it to the internet.
primal ice
you would need to forward the ports in your router and then test it with like your mobile phone to see if it can get through. most likely unless you have a business plan with your ISP it is possible the ISP could be blocking those ports. but each ISP is different.
lone fossil
I have an assumption that they are blocked
i tried hosting a flask application
i forwarded port 80 to my pc, and only people with the same isp and on my local area network were able to get through
anything outside couldn't
i then tried to host it on port 81 and forward that aswell
and that made it available to everyone (even outside my ISP's client users)
primal ice
I would set it to 8080 or 8085 unless you have a service running there and test that. gets you out of the lower range ports that could cause some issues.
lone fossil
well honestly i was pretty sad i couldn't host it on 80
i hated the idea of making everyone type :81 after my website
for now everything is down until i learn most of this stuff and try to be secure
i do not want to be handing my credit card information to random people, or to let people inside my lan
thorny vector
@lone fossil get with me later today, I can help you set up everything self hosting wise.
Can get you set up with a domain and cert for ssl real easy.
stone kite
OK so I was able to get local working with 2 accounts. One with read/write perms and another with read only.
Read/write user is separated from admin tho.
I still can't get the external stuff working.
I am able to port forward with no obvious issue.
(my brother and I play dolphin emulator with no issue when connected to my ip as the server. This is how I know it forwards. We are not in the same house)
As for exposing my hardware, I am not worried. The drives are blank and even if they weren't, it'd all be copies of stuff stored elsewhere. I gave the hardware model to get more specific help. I don't wanna be that guy that's asked what kind of computer he has and says "a black one" and expects the support to know which it is. Lol
unborn sluice
There we go, another guy with "I am not worried"
stone kite
There's nothing on it. Literally a newly formatted volume.
There's a test text file containing the phrase "Hello World" so I would have something to look at when I finally get it to work
tame carbon
I live to see this day
stone kite
As far as the outside world goes, it may as well not exist because I can't get it to exist
stone kite
RDP on a personal cloud nas?
I'm not using windows. Thats the reason I am not overly worried. Also, like I said, it's blank and the ip is uncooperative.
Do I need a domain for it to work?
Is there a place to get a free domain if that's the case?
unborn sluice
Do I need a domain for it to work?
No
unborn sluice
Is there a place to get a free domain if that's the case?
Yes
stone kite
@unborn sluice could you recommend me a place that registers domains for free?
unborn sluice
Not a domain, but a subdomain
stone kite
Doesn't that require a normal domain first?
unborn sluice
Yes
stone kite
Can I get a domain of my own that isn't through some service on the internet?
I'm just looking to put files in a place that my boss can access that won't cost money each month. We got a NAS and some drives. It's configured locally but I just need external to work.
Like Google drive but it's personal and not a subscription
tame carbon
@stone kite VPN
unborn sluice
Can I get a domain of my own that isn't through some service on the internet?
What does this even mean?
You could buy a domain
or yea, choose a VPN so no port forward whatsoever
so asked your boss to pay for something
like a business link
tame carbon
@stone kite what are you attempting to do?
stone kite
Basically FTP type of thing but using the browser so my boss can't move stuff around. (this happens and it drives me nuts trying to find stuff)
tame carbon
Read only file share?
I mean, you could just set up a webserver, with static file listing
stone kite
Boss goes to website.
Boss logs in
Boss downloads file
File is downloaded
Boss exits browser
That's my goal.
tame carbon
webserver with basic http auth and SSL
you need a valid domain to set up SSL encryption
basic http auth can just be configured on the webserver itself
basic auth looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/pz8Kogl.png
browser spawns a dialog asking for username password
but I would only use this with SSL, since passwords are otherwise sent over the internet unencrypted
stone kite
Should I be worried about encryption if the access is read only?
tame carbon
@stone kite if you want password identification, you should use SSL.
you can get a free SSL certificate with letsencrypt
all you need is a valid subdomain that points to the IP address of your webserver
stone kite
The files are for the radio station I work at. The programs are made into podcasts after they air and are publicly available.
Feels like I may as well have it open but I realize that can be a dumber than having a bad password.
tame carbon
@stone kite question is
is the material you are making available subject to licensing ?
if so, you should not expose it publicly
stone kite
No license involved. It's all stuff produced In house. It's up on YouTube for the world to access. The national stuff doesn't get podcasted by us, we just link to their site
unborn sluice
if you don't care about encryption at all, then you could literally store it in the public could
instead of going all these
tame carbon
@stone kite look, webserver is one thing
encryption is another
but running a webserver without encryption, is still a bad idea in general
if you require a password, or have any sort of confidentiality; encryption is a MUST
unborn sluice
tbh, it might be cheaper [and better] to pay for a cloud storage. since you still need to pay for electricity
stone kite
The worst that could happen is someone listens to a program a day or two before it's aired.
tame carbon
@stone kite just rent a box in the cloud
and show people how to share files with SFTP
much easier, requires 0 setup
only issue is, doesnt work from the browser
unborn sluice
or nextcloud whatever
linode have stackscripts for nextcloud iirc
that way, you don't expose your home network
stone kite
I'm reluctant to do any cloud stuff. Call me paranoid if you like, but the station I work for is conservative news talk format. Big tech has been getting quite unfriendly toward folks who disagree with mainstream stuff.
I think it's best if we just stay out of their sight.
stone kite
The cloud services have the power to shut everything off and hault operation.
unborn sluice
Your powerline company could cut your electricity
stone kite
I don't think it works that way. Altho they certainly could, cloud services are not a utility, electric is. Clouds are private entities and can cut you off for any reason.
My isp has the same power. They could issue me a new IP and screw everything up.
I'm OK with little to no encryption bc it's only me and my boss and maybe a select few other users (trusted people) who would be accessing. Most of those folks are old and wouldn't know what ip stands for, letalone do something dastardly or hacky to my network.
idle idol
^^
Lots of bad things have happened when an IT person marks folks as "Trusted People"
No one is trusted. Not even your own account
unborn sluice
You are your own enemy
idle idol
Just takes one person to allow a program to be downloaded or a drive by malicious code to be ran on their computer and poof... by by network appliances
The risk level may be acceptable to you under the ruse of "old folks".. but i do see them as more susceptible to allow those kinds of attacks because of the fact they dont know what they are doing
idle idol
So ports are open, AdGuard is running, it is accepting requests from other clients, but when i go to run NSLookup it keeps timing out.. It doesnt have any client blocking enabled for anyone and i can lookup other DNS Servers fine.
Im thoroughly puzzled
Nvm.. since i dont have the DNS on its own box, HomeAssistant blocked it due to a security issue in the last release.. -.- i gotta move this to a dedicated box soon
waxen saddle
@stone kite Have you looked in to FileZilla server? It is been a long time since I’ve touched it, but if you could set up SFTP (NOT “FTP”), you might be golden. As for a URL, a lot of routers are able to sync with a service. Check which ones yours can sync with and sign up with a random name, like “cowsrule.dyndns.org”
Then just set up FileZilla client at work.
It’s the only method I can think of where you can get “one-way” file sync/ download that doesn’t get complicated fast.
Oh, and change the port you host it on. Never run a specialty service on the default port unless you are prepared for millions of attacks designed to take down your service.
waxen scroll
@unborn sluice i gotta agree. I'd rethink using AWS if I was cloud shopping based on parlor alone. Amazon should have 0 say / creative control over what I choose to host and if I was not left leaning or if I was a competitor with any of AWS bigger customers the risk for me to host there is now huge
they've shown they'll take your company offline before you can even get your data
Employees feelings should not get in the way of active contracts
unborn sluice
Amazon should have 0 say / creative control over what I choose to host
I believe in a free internet
waxen saddle
No ISP competition stopped that dream long ago
unborn sluice
Though the authorities go after the hosting companies if they don't take down certain sites
unborn sluice
yee haw
This is why, hosting in countries that US have little to no jurisdiction may be the way to go
however
How free should our internet be
waxen scroll
For free speech hosting or other types of content that one side doesnt like, nowhere is safe TBH
like you look at spotify, which is based in.... uh I wanna say netherlands
the employees there were trying to cancel joe rogan (US based podcast)
unborn sluice
yikes, nobody is allowed to say anything anymore
waxen scroll
yes, messed up world we're in lol cant even trust any of the media to tell the whole story either
clear igloo
Amazon is completely free to choose what content they host, that's freedom of speech and expression, unless you want to talk about compelled speech that's dictated by the government
waxen scroll
Man had a gun, shot at cops, cops killed them
Media: LATINO man brutally killed by police during [INCIDENT]
unborn sluice
Amazon is completely free to choose what content they host, that's freedom of sp...
So it's freedom of speech and expression to refuse others to exercise theirs
clear igloo
So it's freedom of speech and expression to refuse others to exercise theirs
Yes, completely so, I can, as a private business, allow or restrict whatever I want because nobody is forcing you to use my services
waxen scroll
Companies are entities and not people. They have no freedom of speech or expression.
clear igloo
Companies are people, that's why money is freedom of speech
unborn sluice
Yes, completely so, I can, as a private business, allow or restrict whatever I w...
Point taken, but such should be written in TOS or something
We have butthurt therefore you can not host the following:
- etc
its in the TOS but the problem is so is "30 day notification"
they killed off the site without that
clear igloo
Point taken, but such should be written in TOS or something
They should be more open and I'm sure there is some 25 link deep mention of that. I'm not saying I 100% agree with it but unless we want to start down a path of forced speech and compelled speech then it's the best we can do right now
unborn sluice
its in the TOS but the problem is so is "30 day notification"
this tbh
clear igloo
I see the argument for both but I'll leave it at that since this is #networking 🙂
unborn sluice
I see the argument for both but I'll leave it at that since this is <#3870227874...
routers and switches
clear igloo
routers and switches
hubs and coax
unborn sluice
I agree that no one is forced to use aws networks.
However people should be given notices with such incidents.
there it's networking again
clear igloo
Yah, I agree on that
@waxen scroll My hyperflex clusters don't want to pair up 😦
Error message is beyond meaningless "Check logs, could not pair". Well thanks!
waxen scroll
yeah well, my APIC upgrade did the same thing
cannot install, check logs. what logs?
clear igloo
Exactly! At least tell me what log(s) to check
waxen scroll
oh we checked the logs all right, nothing was there to say why it failed
RMA'd the whole server
clear igloo
👏 Nice! I couldn't even figure out which logs to check so I'll probably have to open a case
clear igloo
lawl, fail
tribal ferry
How do I connect to a Linux Samba share that is not within my LAN?
Have a file share in the cloud to keep my files there if I'm not at home, but I don't seem to be able to connect.
Worked fine connecting with smb:// on my MacBook Pro, but I don't seem to be able to get it to work on my Windows 10 Pro PC.
peak cloak
shouldn't smb never be connected to the internet
little schooner
shouldn't smb never be connected to the internet
correct
tribal ferry
uh
little schooner
you can use vpn and then its okay
i gave up on it because my upload speed was too slow
dense eagle
Hey, need some help. Would love it if someone could help me out. So, I have a ethernet coming to my console and I want to turn that one wire into 2 using a hub. But which hub do I use?
clear igloo
Buy a 5 port gigabit switch for $15
peak cloak
Hey, need some help. Would love it if someone could help me out. So, I have a et...
yep, don't use a hub, get a switch
dense eagle
@peak cloak will that work with 1 ethernet as a input?
peak cloak
yeah, why wouldn't it?
a hub just retransmits all packets to every port
a switch on the other hand remembers each port's IP and therefor much better as it's "active". The way it works is much more complicated but that's basically what it does
peak cloak
I myself have ethernet going from the basement and I use a switch to distribute to other devices
dense eagle
Is that one fine.
Since my internet speed is around 80mbps. There no need to buy a gigabit one. Lol
dense eagle
What is 10/100 mean?
clear igloo
So you don't want to transfer anything over 100Mbps locally or ever plan on the internet speed increasing?
peak cloak
ethernet is split into different categories of speeds you have 10Base-T, 100Base-T, 1000Base-T and higher. 10/100 means it supports 10Base-T and 100Base-T
Even if you don't, if you want to sell it, a gigabit switch would be easier to sell than a fast ethernet switch
dense eagle
Ayt thanks.
peak cloak
Ayt thanks.
dense eagle
Okay thanks.
tribal ferry
shouldn't smb never be connected to the internet
well uh, what would you recommend for doing it over the internet?
was planning to use this server to run a lamp stack on and then edit my php whether i'm at home or on the go
tame carbon
@tribal ferry either a VPN
I usually use ssh for file transfer from remote sites
much safer and easier to use
tribal ferry
<@!517852052563427329> either a VPN
I'm needing to use it as a remote NAS.
tribal ferry
Any other easier way?
tribal ferry
I mean, besides having to set up a VPN server on there for me to connect to.
tame carbon
that's the point
this is how you securely set up an end to end tunnel between two networks
so you can then use your samba fileshare
tribal ferry
Seems like a pain having to VPN in every time I want to use it.
tame carbon
on most operating systems you just flip a toggle
tribal ferry
I know, yeah
tame carbon
l2tp/ipsec is supported by all operating systems
no need for some odd thirdparty client
tribal ferry
Alright
stone kite
OK you gyys managed to convince me. Even if I see no threat in making it open and read only, shit can still happen. Being that it's on my home network, it could be bad for me personally.
As for cloud services, I wish to avoid them. Not only is this based on parler's shut down but the way it was shit down. The person who used speech not covered by 1A and the whole platform was punished. The go-to is yelling Fire in a crowded theater when there's no fire. The appropriate response is to arrest the individual, not shut down the theater. As a result, I do not trust these services and want to stay as far from them as possible.
I did have plans to eventually have paid access to a separate share for podcasts rather than relying on YouTube but that seems like not a great idea now.
If yall know how I can have an easy distribution of mp3s without relying on big tech, I'd love to hear it. I have thought of using torrent files as a transfer method
tame carbon
@stone kite set up your own big tech company
'cloud' just means "someone else's computer"
not sure what the ban on parler has to do with this
stone kite
I work for a conservative talk radio station. Big tech has been not very friendly towards conservatives lately.
tame carbon
@stone kite set up your own server?
rent a fiber line from some ISP
I mean, at some point, someone has to agree to peer with you
if they refuse, rip
stone kite
My isp has a regional monopoly, so they probly won't hesitate to charge me out the butt
tame carbon
well, then I guess you are SoL
stone kite
Also I live with my sister and brother - in - law. They are quite stubborn. Legendary stubbornness.
tame carbon
??
stone kite
Convincing them to get a second internet line is impossible
tame carbon
what do you want me to say?
As for cloud services, I wish to avoid them.
Being that it's on my home network, it could be bad for me personally.
there's no alternative
the internet isn't some magic cloud
if you want an unfiltered version of the internet
try the onion network
stone kite
I'm not looking for an unfiltered internet....
tame carbon
@stone kite well idk what you are looking for
either you host said content yourself
or you have someone else do it for you
peer to peer is one way to do it
stone kite
I guess I'll host it myself.
tame carbon
@stone kite what's wrong with setting up a VPS in the cloud though?
stone kite
What are my options for self hosting?
tame carbon
considering you come to LTT with these problems, I doubt your radio station is any blip on the radar of 'big tech'
usually they go after the bigger fish
tame carbon
What are my options for self hosting?
a fast enough internet pipe, and a computer to handle said requests.
stone kite
We actually simulcast to YouTube and twitch 24/7 in addition to OTA. XD but twitch noticed us and buried us. We had like 200 views at nearly any given time and now it's been reduced to like 4.
tame carbon
probably because you flout fake news or something
besides
you don't need twitch to stream radio
This is great ^
stone kite
We have a fair bit of non political programming. We do our best to not present fake news. Gotta be careful talking any further about it. I apparently upset the bot.
heavy cedar
Is there any way that I can use a static ip when connecting to l2tp vpn on iOS?
stone kite
@tame carbon reason we stream on twitch and YT is bc sometimes we actually do video livestreaming. It's a blast to be a part of. We're on a few other places like tune-in, streema and others. I'll take a look at that site and look into adding it.
thorny agate
@heavy cedar pretty sure that’s VPN- rather than protocol-dependent
You’d have to check whether your provider supports static IPs
heavy cedar
You’d have to check whether your provider supports static IPs
I use my own l2tp vpn to a unifi setup. Wanted to see if I could set a static ip so I can access some things that require that.
thorny agate
I don’t think there’s anything stopping you? What trouble are you running into
I haven’t worked with unifi admittedly, so I don’t know how much help I’ll be if it’s specific to that
peak cloak
@stone kite you could look at colocation if you are willing to pay?
your own hardware, in a datacenter
other than that you really have no choice
there are some private vps hosting providers
very privacy focused
stone kite
Surely hosting mp3s can't be difficult to do at home tho. Would I have an easier time using windows as a host than a NAS box?
peak cloak
Surely hosting mp3s can't be difficult to do at home tho. Would I have an easier...
if it's just mp3's then yeah, it should be pretty easy. Linux is the best tbh.
you could just setup a HTTPS server to let other's download files
stone kite
Could I run a host on, say, my old q6600 machine with ssd? (effectively)
peak cloak
and maybe find some sort of front end webui?
peak cloak
Could I run a host on, say, my old q6600 machine with ssd? (effectively)
maybe, that cpu is old, but I was able to run linux on things much older than that (like 2000). Idk how good the performance might be. The motherboard may not have gigabit ethernet
stone kite
It has gigabit. I have enjoyed gigabit on that machine for years.
stone kite
It used to be my nas. Just sitting there running a share folder on windows
stone kite
This may come as a shock to many of you in the channel but I am not an expert in networking. XD which OS do I need for project send? I have heard of MySQL and apache but don't know what they are besides server sounding things. I was hoping the hosting stuff would be easy. I didn't mean to show up and basically ask you all to hold my hand through setting up a server. Lol
thorny agate
MySQL is a database backend, Apache is a web server
peak cloak
This may come as a shock to many of you in the channel but I am not an expert in...
linux is usually the standard for servers
unborn sluice
This may come as a shock to many of you in the channel but I am not an expert in...
none of those are OS
stone kite
This is my goal in a nutshell.
thorny agate
Oh, just an ftp server?
stone kite
Yes. My nas claims it can be an FTP server. All I can get out of it is local FTP. I forwarded 21 to the nas box but no matter how much I swear at it, I can't get it to work properly on the outside.
hollow marlin
Opening FTP to the world is just asking for problems
unborn sluice
Opening FTP to the world is just asking for problems
we can't convince him
stone kite
No, you did manage to convince me there should be encryption and use accounts and stuff. My focus now is just getting it to work.
I can't find a setting that "allows all connections"
hollow marlin
Encryption and accounts don't matter to vulnerabilities and opening a well known port means it will be discovered within minutes and its a count down until they're in. If you absolutely need FTP, its a VPN or reverse proxy.
stone kite
Should I us another port then? Forgive my ignorance to all this but I don't really know much about networking. I thought this was a case of open a port, type in the public IP, enter some login creds and it's done.
I came here bc I thought maybe I missed a step or the ui had an option I needed listed somewhere I didn't think of looking.
I wanted to share my Petabyte of assorted 4K, 8K & 69K memes with the world, but I guess it's just too risky.
😢
unborn sluice
I wanted to share my Petabyte of assorted 4K, 8K & 69K memes with the world, but I guess it's just too risky.
stone kite
I seem to have found a DyDNS setup register wizard kinda thing. What's your opinion on these services? These were in the drop down menu.
Do i even need this?
unborn sluice
For people with dynamic IP address and wants a subdomain
@stone kite
Q: do you need it?
A: Not necessarily (not required)
Q: would you want it?
A: If you have dynamic IP, you need to always your boss and the employees about the new ip to access your services
Q: Any preference between those?
A: I only tried noip.com however I do own domains
stone kite
Hmmm good info to have.
Our current website is thru godaddy which, I believe, offers subdomains for free. Is it possible (realistic) to set up a subdomain and have it direct to my nas..... Somehow?
unborn sluice
Is it possible (realistic) to set up a subdomain and have it direct to my nas..... Somehow?
Yes, people do these all the time. As long as you don't have wildcard like
*.waffles.com that already point somewhere (or redirect)
x.example.com
y.example.com
Can point to different servers and it's fine
Realistically, several servers are behind these domains. (and internet websites)
But with magic. the customer can feel like it's one big server
stone kite
OK so I could do something like podcasts.waffles.com and how does that point to my nas? Is there the same risky stuff going on that people keep warning me about? Or bc it's going through other servers then it's probably fine?
stone kite
What can I do to make it less dangerous?
unborn sluice
What can I do to make it less dangerous?
By not doing it
stone kite
Well I guess you have a point. Can't lose a race you didn't enter. Lol what if I use a different port? And only allow https and have stupidly complicated passwords?
unborn sluice
And only allow https
So it's not FTP
Lol what if I use a different port?
You need to tell your boss and employees about the port though, soo
stone kite
Whichever the secure version of FTP is
unborn sluice
FTP over ssh or you mean FTPS (over ssl)
stone kite
Networking is not my strong suit. It's all alphabet soup
unborn sluice
so have you considered hosting it somewhere
stone kite
We are a small operation. It'd be me, my boss and a few show hosts that insist we email their shows so they can hear themselves talk even tho we put it all on YouTube.
Right now we use Google drive for everything and we end up with like 4 copies of everything in the main folder and it drives me nuts. I need something easy to access that I control so I can give my boss the illusion of saving money by not having to use the paid plan on Google drive.
I am basically the only employee who would need access... Our sales rep doesn't need access and nether do the few others that don't work directly with the shows.
If sftp is gonna be less disastrous, then I'll have one of those please. Lol and some Dr pepper
stone kite
The reason I am drawn to FTP so much is bc that's also how many radio stations distribute syndicated shows.
I didn't know it was a bad thing.
If it's so ungood to have the port open and whatnot, why do nas boxes and other tech still support the protocol?
unborn sluice
I don't even know radio stations distribute their shows through ftp
If it's so ungood to have the port open and whatnot
That's not the point we are trying to make
why do nas boxes and other tech still support the protocol?
That is not an argument at all
Why do windows have backward compatible bugs? It's there so it must be useful
stone kite
Then what's the argument? Maybe it was explained badly or maybe I am bad at understanding things or some combo of the two.
What's the drawback of using FTP? Is it the sharing part where other people would have access?
unborn sluice
What's the drawback of using FTP? Is it the sharing part where other people would have access?
It's about opening it to the internet
Imagine leaving your frontdoor unlocked then saying "if it's bad, then why do doors have unlock"
stone kite
If doors didn't have unlock, they'd be a wall. XD
unborn sluice
If i can't convince you
stone kite
I see what you mean. I was just being jokey. It's like leaving my car unlocked. Anyone can jump in and start it and drive away.
Or I could lock it. And then they'd have to smash a window to accomplish the same task.
stone kite
Wow! I lost so much weight!
unborn sluice
But it works, yea?
stone kite
And height!
unborn sluice
so you should go with your FTP boogaloo
stone kite
So another idea I concocted in my head.
FTP but connections are only allowed from approved IP addresses that I set.
Is this a thing?
unborn sluice
What firewall do you have
stone kite
Ummmm the one that comes with my router I guess would be the one for my nas box. Unless it has its own.
Probly not a great one
unborn sluice
Since you already have this "only approved" thing
Why not "don't open FTP to the internet"
stone kite
For someone to do something unkind to my network, they'd first have to know my IP and know I have a port open and which port it is, correct?
unborn sluice
Yea, sure
stone kite
And then what? They take over my nas or delete everything or ransomware it or something bad like that?
unborn sluice
They can if they want to
stone kite
What's the worst they can do? (I mean that as a genuine question. Jot trying to be a smart ass) Can they control my router?
unborn sluice
What's the worst thing that could happen to your personal pc?
stone kite
Why would they have access to my pc?
I back up my pc pretty often and have cold spares
unborn sluice
So it's okay for you if they have access to your pc
no private or sensitive information whatsoever?
stone kite
I don't think I'd be OK with it but I do have avast premium with remote desktop firewall thing. Only the addresses I specify have access to the share folders.
I can't just connect a new pc and have access to my backup machine.
Also my network is a bit complicated already. We have a router that runs downstairs into another router that then goes to my computers.
The nas for the ftp has to be connected to the first one for the port to be forwarded.
Any attacker would have to break through 2 routers. Not sure if that's extra secure or extra dumb tho.
unborn sluice
so you have 2 nat?
stone kite
Yes, I guess.
I wanted better wifi downstairs. If it's more secure as a result, then that's just a side effect. I promise I am not that clever or smart to have done it on purpose. Lol
unborn sluice
you use 2 nat for security?
stone kite
Not exactly. I have the 2nd router so I get better wifi downstairs. If that happens to add a layer of security (idk if it actually) then that's just something that happened as a side effect of being a router.
Is it more secure? I can't imagine it'd make security worse.
I never thought about it as extra security til just now tho.
It was purely for convenience. Lol
It's the same principle of how people buy something like an Xbox. They get it for games. The fact it plays DVDs and blurays is just a thing it happens to do whether they know it or not.
stone kite
I have 2 networks of different IDs. They ate not in tandom or bridges or anything. Just a modem router with another router connected thru ethernet. Nothing I'd consider fancy.
desert briar
@stone kite an attacker can do anything, really. Including trying to attack your PC. Better question is, why would he do that?
Your network topology isn’t complex, compared to what you’d see in “enterprise” environments.
Taking over your NAS wouldn’t be hard, if you are using FTP. FTP sends passwords in cleartext (no encryption) and so all the attacker would need to do is wait for you to log in and then intercept that password. If you want to “prevent” that use SFFP or FTPS.
Getting into the network though isn’t as simple. Unless you port forward a vulnerable service theres not much an attacker can do, so yeah. Don’t have much to worry about. I’m sure theres no reason for anyone to target you as well, so you can relax 😄
thorny vector
Or just use a cloud storage platform like nextcloud or pydio
desert briar
If you’d like to see how a skilled attacker “thinks”, read this - https://gist.githubusercontent.com/jaredsburrows/9e121d2e5f1147ab12a696cf548b90b0/raw/87cd99f3c69f979384913328559cb52140a838c3/gistfile1.txt . That being said, don’t take it as an inspiration to do illegal stuff and stay legal. Not responsible for anything you do.
unborn sluice
Or just use a cloud storage platform like nextcloud or pydio
no matter how many are we, he still wants FTP open to the tinernet
thorny vector
Meh, whatever. Can lead a horse to water.
desert briar
SFTP is the answer
unborn sluice
Not using ftp is the answer
Or atleast don't expose it to the internet in the first place
desert briar
or SSH tunnels (basically SFTP, lol)
SFTP/FTPS should be fine. It's encrypted
SFTP uses port 22 too (works over SSH)
tame carbon
@desert briar which is not to say that FTP cannot be secured
another issue with FTP is that passive FTP behind a NAT is tricky
hollow marlin
The issue isn't securing the protocol, its blindly opening it to the internet
little schooner
@waxen scroll start of the semester is already going bad. Vendor updated portal software that students interface with and their best recommendation to everyone is to clean their cookies and cache
And they pushed the update 2 weeks before classes started
I bet they didn't even test well
Now all these helpdesk tickets are coming in
It's not even our fault
It would help if they actually tested their advice first before giving it to everyone
Bc it doesn't fix it
waxen scroll
help desk is really good at clearing cookies tho
unborn sluice
help desk is really good at clearing cookies tho
Someone should pay these people to clear cookies
tidal frost
So this might be a really dumb question. But can i add a Switch between my Comcast Gateway and devices? Everything im finding online talks about adding a router too, but i dont have the money at the moment to get a fancy router.
Use case for the switch being cleaning up my entertainment stand and having everything plug in in 1 location.
peak cloak
Use case for the switch being cleaning up my entertainment stand and having ever...
yeah
you really only want one router in your entire home
because double-NAT
however if you want more wifi "emitters" you can get more APs
tidal frost
That makes sense. So if i got a router in the future, i would either disable features on my gateway, or call comcast to downgrade?
peak cloak
you would want to put the comcast gateway in passthough mode
so it doesn't route
or do NAT
the thing is idk if it supports it
tame carbon
peak cloak
because then it's just being a modem, not a router
tidal frost
Okay. Thank you
peak cloak
@tame carbon js overhead?
tame carbon
@peak cloak quite a lot
most of the rest services I've written in java, need like 64MB ram
this node VM just starts with 150MB xD
lean pebble
Finally some decent support guy from the ISP called and said that he saw the DSL failing all the time
lean pebble
They called me back
tame carbon
neat
tame carbon
pro tip: get that man's direct phone number within the company
lean pebble
He will call back soon again
tame carbon
or his email address
so you can have 1 on 1 with him, without going through regular support channels
my ISP actually gave me contact details to the rep I should call for problems
lean pebble
I had the internet infrastructure tech private phone number long time ago
After 10 other techs failed to provide a fix I called him and he came and fixed it
5 minutes
What they couldn't do in half year
Well I understand that I need to download games like Watch dogs legion and hitman 3 for them to see the problem xd
I downloaded hitman 3 at 21.01.21 and only then they got it in their system
@tame carbon good tip
51% packet loss while downloading
to the ISP Gateway server
tame carbon
@lean pebble so my suspicions were correct
those disconnects, and packet loss are the result of line faults.
lean pebble
yap
lean pebble
I guess the network rack that my house connected to is not working correctly
the one that near my gate
lean pebble
ya
I say that because the main rack already replaced the card
so this is the only place that no one touched till 2 years ago after I complained to their CEO
little schooner
help desk is really good at clearing cookies tho
They attached me to their catch-all help desk email so I am watching the chain of events. I'm happy I don't have to use it at all tho for this position
Can simply focus on SharePoint instead
tame carbon
@lean pebble yeah so they stop vectoring
and move you to ADSL2+
slower but more stable
lean pebble
ya
tame carbon
but this isnt a fix
lean pebble
I'll switch the internet infrastructure
tame carbon
this is just a lame excuse
lean pebble
To someone else
ya I know
I told him
He said switch the internet infrastructure
to someone else
waxen saddle
I've seen a lot of Microtik talk around here. This video is making me consider moving away from Ubiquiti (potentially to Microtik) on my next network hardware cycle in a few years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QQ3Nd4huH4 (Note: I'm not affiliated with the video or creator in any way, shape, or form)
peak cloak
oh yeah ubiquity was already kinda bad
I only bought one switch because it was like the only managed, active poe powered switch
waxen saddle
No, it's more like they are changing direction to be more anti-consumer and anti-business.
...and continually not adding features that would help them grow in those markets
AKA the beancounters have taken over the direction of the company. Which is always a bad thing
tame carbon
why does this not surprise me
tame carbon
I've seen a lot of Microtik talk around here. This video is making me consider m...
join us, on the lighter side of the force
Thanks for the heads up
I was initially thinking about getting unifi for a wireless network
probably just going to use mikrotik now
waxen scroll
i wont be moving from ubnt
tame carbon
they should send one of these to LTT
so they finally stop doing their lame windows file transfer benchmarks
they seemed to be upsold on the fiber tester, which was a meme itself
waxen scroll
no kidding
problem is they're $20k+ and its a waste to give LTT one
his audience wont go out and buy them
tame carbon
that name though
waxen saddle
It won't stop them from making a video on it anyway. They just released a video about 8K gaming on graphics cards you can't buy.
waxen scroll
i would argue $8k and lower is within LTT audience
higher than that dont bother showing
waxen saddle
They've shown multiple items and setups above that price point. We watch anyway. lol.
tame carbon
@waxen scroll they need to showcase this stuff, with a way for consumers to buy this
like
I challenge LTT to showcase the CRS305, show a concrete guide on what to get if you want 10G home networking.
@mystic hull
you can do it for about $250
hollow marlin
Well Linus did briefly show his Mikrotik switch in the past
tame carbon
true
@hollow marlin that's a rare fanboi moment
@hollow marlin lol, the streets are not calm tonight
what is hapenning over here lol
hollow marlin
Ah, like the major cities here in the US
tame carbon
@hollow marlin people not happy with the 9pm curfew
saying we live in a police state lol
even though the british strain is spreading like wildfire
@hollow marlin it gets better
and now the footballclubs have gotten involved
so called 'hooligans' calling their townfolk up to protect their town from vandalism and looting
by that i Think they mean, beat up the other hooligans
like its just fireworks on twitter this evening
hollow marlin
US 2.0. 
tame carbon
like, everyone is condemning what is happening, its a very small group of frustrated people
@hollow marlin nah not as bad here
we didnt have the orange guy
@hollow marlin its like US lite
once they use teargas, they clear out, everyone goes home
they all go out on the the street under the guise of 'peacefully drinking coffee with my neighbor'
thats what they put on signs 'n stuff
hollow marlin
He wasn't the one that had authority to control the cities experiencing the same, just the man to blame.
tame carbon
@hollow marlin one big difference here I guess is
they arrested 250 people in a single night
in USA you can storm the government without being cought lmao
peak cloak
not really, the FBI has lots of arrests
hollow marlin
We actually had peers back out of some of the COLOs here on the east coast in NYC and move to another DC because NYC lack of control caused issue accessing the DC.
tame carbon
@hollow marlin what due to corona?
hollow marlin
Riots
hollow marlin
Well yeah, that too
hollow marlin
NYC loves him. No clue how though. I live in NY but farthest away from NYC
hollow marlin
Do you speak Dutch as well?
tame carbon
Yes
@hollow marlin I'm both dutch and german citizen, but I feel more european than any one country
whats it called, dualcitizenship
but doesn't matter which one I carry, both are valid
hollow marlin
Same for my wife. England citizen as well as US. Born in England and few years later moved to US.
tame carbon
@hollow marlin dutch dad, german mother
I live like 5-10 mins from the dutch-german border
its not a border really, more like a street with a sign that says "Wilkommen Nordrhein-westfalen"
and underneath the max speeds for the different road types
peak cloak
so like us states kinda
tame carbon
Well, NRW is a german state yeah
but there's no real visible border
only thing that changes is the reflectors on the side of the road lol
and the quality of the asphalt
dutch-belgian border is an experience to be had
you go from smooth driving to: every loose screw's gotta go
belgian roads are terribly maintained
keen matrix
can someone setup my minecraft server ? im trying to start it up for nearly 30h
its a modded server with forge 1.6.4
peak cloak
can someone setup my minecraft server ? im trying to start it up for nearly 30h
what's the issue
keen matrix
thats the problem idk whats happening i can send you log if you want
stone kite
Renting one is like $4 a month. I forget where I had mine, but that was the cost.
I could dig up my old purchases and get the info if you'd like
stone kite
A minecraft server, that is
stone kite
That might be like a $15ish tier.
clear igloo
I've used serverminer.com for my hosting, it's been amazing for up to 20 people at a time for like $7/month
peak cloak
yeah for vanilla it should be fine
clear igloo
Even with ~30 mods it was good BUT I also ran spigot
clear igloo
Yes
peak cloak
forge is resource intensive
clear igloo
They offer a forge server install but I can't comment on how well it runs. They give you unlimited CPU but limit by RAM
peak cloak
at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.LaunchClassLoader.findClass(LaunchClassLoader.java:186)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:425)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:358)
... 31 more
Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: Attempted to load class bfe for invalid side SERVER
at cpw.mods.fml.common.asm.transformers.SideTransformer.transform(SideTransformer.java:50)
at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.LaunchClassLoader.runTransformers(LaunchClassLoader.java:274)
at net.minecraft.launchwrapper.LaunchClassLoader.findClass(LaunchClassLoader.java:172)
... 33 more
``` These are the important linesIsn't minecraft server software single threaded?
clear igloo
Yup
mods can use multiple threads but the main process is single threaded almost completely
peak cloak
things like papermc also do threaded chunk loading, but that's about it
clear igloo
Yah
peak cloak
that's why you want a high clock rate for minecraft
keen matrix
so this doesnt want to work beacause the server is too slow?
peak cloak
I don't think so
wouldn't it say out of memory or something
or running slow x ticks behind
keen matrix
yea it would say that
peak cloak
what are the specs
keen matrix
5 gb space 2gb ram and i dont remember the cpu
stone kite
I think the one I had for modded was like 20 a month. A friend and I played sky factory 4. Not sure how heavy that is on the resources but the nether in that version is not a real nether. We could place water. XD I wanna say It had like 3 or 4 GB of ram and allowed 10 people or something.
It was whenever sf4 was new
peak cloak
oh yeah I don't think a forge server with so many mods will be able to run
peak cloak
@keen matrix you could just try a regular vanilla server
and maybe add server-side mods
use papermc
with these garbage collector flags
keen matrix
nahh im too tired with all of this im just gonna stick with aternos ready to start packs that work
lean pebble
Minecraft!
cedar lance
Anyone here have knowledge of streaming and could possibly help me figure out why im droipping frames?
waxen saddle
^this is currently being discussed in #tech-support, which is the appropriate channel for your question. @cedar lance
tame carbon
fuck yeah. finished my graduation project, and I PASSED :D
just got the evaluation back, and im so fucking stoked :D
tame carbon
@clear igloo you know what this means?
I can finally, work on something that isnt a complete waste of time :D
and make good money while doing so
clear igloo
lol, yah! 😄
drowsy moat
unborn sluice
I can finally, work on something that isnt a complete waste of time :D
Maybe it's time for me to switch jobs
now do I actually want to do networking for a living
neat sage
trust me nope I iddn't like doing it when I did it for work the cable running and hooking things up is easy but if you want to sit there for a couple of hours ripping your hair out trying to program the router than yeah it is a great job
unborn sluice
trust me nope I iddn't like doing it when I did it for work the cable running an...
Currently a developer, so this " couple of hours ripping your hair" isn't really far off
neat sage
yeah I get that one to
neat sage
I haven't taken mine yet
unborn sluice
though i did learn outside of that
neat sage
I'm currently in college for all of the IT stuff but I went to a place in high school called boces which is two years of hands on training and the first year we had to learn nothing but java script with a bit of it but it was just as hard my second year was nothing but IT I spent 90% of the year rewiring the classroom because the other classes fudge evrything up with the ethernet cables
unborn sluice
Hmm, I am thinking of the networking job where you install things
Like a client wants to have wifi on their hotel.
neat sage
yeah that stuff is pretty simple but you still have to know command line stuff which is where i ripe my hair out I like my nice interfaces and all i have to do is hit a couple of buttons
clear igloo
Hmm, I am thinking of the networking job where you install things
Install is boring after a bit, troubleshooting and architecture is the really fun stuff (imo)
Of course you can't always just jump right into that either, gotta get familiar with the basics
unborn sluice
Install is boring after a bit, troubleshooting and architecture is the really fu...
Yea, but I kinda think those 3 are one
unborn sluice
Of course you can't always just jump right into that either, gotta get familiar ...
For the basics, I think I already can install equipment. however I don't have specific skill for a brand
like say. knowing how ubiquity does thing
or how to make cisco express forwarding
neat sage
for me i know all about cicsco because my college is partnered with cisco
clear igloo
Learn the specs, how things should be, know how to troubleshoot and what to look for, commands/syntax/etc can be tought
Thought process for a good troubleshooting engineer can't be taught
unborn sluice
commands/syntax/etc can be tought
Yea, since CCNA is just student choking on cisco equipment
I certainty need to broaden my horizons
unborn sluice
Thought process for a good troubleshooting engineer can't be taught
Agree
clear igloo
If you know how BGP should operate, how OSPF should interact, etc. then you're much more of a good target for hiring than someone who just knows 'show router bgp' gives BGP info on X box
unborn sluice
If you know how BGP should operate, how OSPF should interact, etc. then you're m...
Well, yea
but I kinda need certificates or it's just my word of "I can do this"
if only cisco won't break the bank
neat sage
yeah i agree with that cisco is good brand but a pain in the rear to configure due to the fact that not all of there routers or switches are gui yet and still command line
unborn sluice
gui yet and still command line
Ain't a problem
clear igloo
True BUT certs aren't everything either, I've turned down people with CCIEs and ZERO experience over someone with a CCNA and experience and the ability to talk to what they know
unborn sluice
why is even not having a GUI a problem
unborn sluice
True BUT certs aren't everything either, I've turned down people with CCIEs and ...
Comforting to hear
guess I just need to buy networking equipment and experiment
so I can be more familiarise and stop doing what cisco taught
clear igloo
If you want hands on some 2800s and whatnot are cool but you can do virtual labs with GNS3 or CML pretty good these days
neat sage
it is a problem for me because I can't memorize half of the command that you need to know my professor wrote up a sheet for us on cisco with all of the commands you might need to know and it was over 6 pages long and that was size 12 font times new roman
clear igloo
Bullcrap, you never need to memorize commands
Question mark that sucker out or look up the config guides 😄
unborn sluice
If you want hands on some 2800s and whatnot are cool but you can do virtual labs...
Virtual labs is fun, but I certainly need to know how the industry works. like what is the typical infrastructure
unborn sluice
it is a problem for me because I can't memorize half of the command that you nee...
I didn't memorise the cisco commands
I think grammar matters more
like what command goes after the other
neat sage
Bullcrap, you never need to memorize commands
yeah well welcome to America and going to Monroe Community College
unborn sluice
Well yea, for schools
I even need to memorise software designs for some reason
and yet here am I. not remembering half of those
unborn sluice
You shouldn't
tame carbon
most of the commands I use frequently
clear igloo
Yah, no interviewer will say something like "show bgp (blank) (blank) summary" will give you output for IPv6 or anything like that. Knowing how to find things and the basic tree is good but that's about it
tame carbon
I know automatically
unborn sluice
Remember the phrase
"memorise =/= learning "
tame carbon
@unborn sluice knowing how to read the docs, and using them, is all I need
RTFM is the biggest step in learning
clear igloo
You'll learn frequently used stuff over time but beyond that, config guides are the holy grail for anyone and knowing how to read them
Yup
unborn sluice
Yah, no interviewer will say something like "show bgp (blank) (blank) summary" w...
Sounds like an interview reading what certification test looks like
You'll learn frequently used stuff over time but beyond that
This tbh, if the command is so useful. your brain would remember it.
If it's not, then forgetting it is a good thing
clear igloo
Sounds like an interview reading what certification test looks like
Yah, I'd never ask those questions UNLESS I knew someone was screwing with me and trying to google while on a video call -.-
unborn sluice
Yah, I'd never ask those questions UNLESS I knew someone was screwing with me an...
Frankly, it sounds robotic
tame carbon
like
I can eyeball a oneliner
and know what it will do
if you blindly follow a guide
and you get stuck
because your version or distro is slightly different
you wont ever learn
once you understand this
unborn sluice
fuck them distros, just learn the basics of how linux works
tame carbon
using any linux distro will feel natural
since they all have their own ways of doing a specific thing
unborn sluice
since they all have their own ways of doing a specific thing
like networking brands
I still want to know who created mikrotik scripting
Welp, thanks for the insight guys @tame carbon @clear igloo @neat sage
tame carbon
mikrotik scripting is highly custom
unborn sluice
certainly need to think about it more if it's what I want for the rest
neat sage
no problem
tame carbon
@neat sage https://xkcd.com/2259/
unborn sluice
I'll never know how networking people correlate these things
One way to find out
Be one of them
neat sage
yes i have to agree very much with that statement @tame carbon