networking

[wide shadow]

The 20 sata one

Just dunno if it's any good idea... could be interesting to cram 20x8TB + 4x8TB (total 192TB) on that poor NAS 😈

Make it raid6, 176TB total usable storage, 2 disc failure.

Something tells me that it's bad idea and that pcie will be bottleneck.

I mean... if i can split that pcie x16 to pcie 4x4 i could make it storage monster with little to no bottlenecks...

But dunno if that motherboard supports it

[wide shadow]

Soo... mobo supports raid 0,1,5,10... will go with raid 5 i guess

But does this work with raid5???

Someone help

[wide shadow]

Soo... mobo has only pcie x16 gen3 but i should be able to get x16 to 4x pcie x4 card

Please someone tell me if i am wrong...

Updated list:

pcpartpicker:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TXq6db
4x pcie x4 of this:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EuwSx3Y
1x this:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EGtl5ZG

[lone crane]

those cards are 10000% fake

wtf is dis

[topaz patrol]

No?

[lone crane]

mhm

[topaz patrol]

They work, they're not claiming to be a brand or anything

How are they fake?

[lone crane]

x1

how tf would this work

[topaz patrol]

At a lower speed

[lone crane]

the issue is that they use sata splitters

O DEAR LORD

imagine paying like 1k for a shit ton of HDDs and using em with this

[topaz patrol]

Well yeah, it's a dumb idea

But it'd probably work

[lone crane]

o yeah also, why get a motherboard that supports ECC one of em super rare ones and you know not using it

[lone crane]

fine it would work just super dumb doing it

this is a legit sata thingy https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006677307588.html

[topaz patrol]

I would suggest instead of getting so many drives they invest that money into something offsite

[lone crane]

eh i dono, i like my on site shit

like if im hosting a SMB share for video editing WAY WAY rather wanna have that on site then off

[topaz patrol]

Do backup for 8 - 12 devices
Be used as cloud storage
If it's only in one place, it is neither of these things

[lone crane]

vpn?

i just have tailscale on 24/7 on my phone

and laptops

[topaz patrol]

I mean for when their house burns down

[lone crane]

xd

well yeah have a offsite backup for that

[topaz patrol]

It's not a backup when everything is all in the one spoit

[lone crane]

i meant backup for the one in main

aka 3 1 1

as in ofc the data is on the client then the client backups to the main server and then main server backups to the backup server that is offsite

this is what i do

[topaz patrol]

They are only getting one machine

[lone crane]

they can get a normal board and 32GB of ram and buy some used workstation and make a basic offsite server

[topaz patrol]

That is essentially what I am suggesting, instead of having 20 slow drives

[lone crane]

yea

[topaz patrol]

Or putting it in B2

[lone crane]

also i was joking about the pcie card but now read above and jesus wtf

he should also rather go 12100

i suspect he wants to stream jellyfin

[topaz patrol]

aka not old crap :p

[lone crane]

yeeaa

[topaz patrol]

🤣

[lone crane]

like the 9100 is fineee but it does lack a good few things and the small issue of it being deprecated

well the quick sync stuff about it

[amber urchin]

It's for Chia mining. Not suitable for NAS.

[lone crane]

The thing that died a long time ago

Also I swear you still want speed

I can send a link to a good 16i card

[amber urchin]

Nah, the speed really isn't all that important once the disks have been plotted. I think with the current filter, 1 in 128 plots pass the filter so most disks don't even have a plot to check

[wide shadow]

@lone crane @topaz patrol @amber urchin
Soo two things:

1. Someone suggested this:
   https://a.aliexpress.com/_EyOdFHU
2. What would you suggest?

[lone crane]

tell me every single thing it will be used for

any size limitations
is the data SUPER important to the point you would require ECC

[amber urchin]

My build is an X99 Taichi with a 16c Xeon e5-2697a v4, 256gb registered ecc. Not much more expensive than that combo.

Well, I mean aside from the ram that isn't included in that bundle

[lone crane]

ngl if you do not need ecc i would just go 12100

[amber urchin]

12100 supports ECC. Just UDIMM version, not RDIMM. Although it apparently now needs a special chipset.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-enables-ecc-on-12th-gen-core-cpus

[lone crane]

yeah was gonna say that

but the price for those boards and availability makes it a hard buy for me at least due to not really having anything that needs ECC anyways

[amber urchin]

Yeah. The W680 thing was an L. X99 was the last great platform and I'm not sure if we'll ever have something so wonderful again.

[lone crane]

x299 is so sad

i have 8 slots but nothing i can do to get ECC on it

[amber urchin]

X299 has some perks like bifurcation that isn't supported on X99, but not being able to drop in a Xeon and ECC really hurt it incredibly.

[lone crane]

yeeaa and no igpu at all

tbf on both that is the case

but its the reason why i changed to a 11900

[amber urchin]

I'd be more willing to pay the crazy Lite Workstation pricing they have going on now if I was able to get a dirt cheap server CPU to plop in later like with X99, but I mean even if I could then I'd need to navigate the vendor lock minefield. So much down in the compute space that people overlook in the last 10 years.

[lone crane]

i kinda just love the high price for it now since i got a good deal on some shit a while ago sooo im gonna sell the old shit

my stufffffff #networking message

[wide shadow]

Backup, streaming, download, archive.

Main idea is to archive apps/programs/videos/photos/audio that might get whipped from internet later on or could be impossible to acquire legally later on. Mainly will be used by me, family and few selected friends.

Imagine own private Netflix/g-drive/Spotify/Steam substitute so that i can for example:

1. give a link to my cousin and they can download Driver: San Francisco (game that can't be bought anymore as far as i am aware).
2. Press button and move photos/videos somewhere protected
3. Could watch any tv show or movie i have copy of from anywhere without having to rely on either scatchy website cuz the movie isn't streamed anywhere, cds aren't made nor sold anymore (or like some ancient movies VHS).

Basically just want access to media that might disappear one day cuz big companies don't care anymore.

[lone crane]

ok so n100

that is it

just n100 and grab BIG HDDs

[wide shadow]

Maybe part list?

[lone crane]

could just get a NAS

i dono 4 to 8 bay

[wide shadow]

would by they seem too expensive

like... i could copy what they use and get it cheaper that way

but still

[lone crane]

no just go with a proper NAS or 12100 stuff

[amber urchin]

You're not in a cheap playground. You pay either way. Either in hardware or in electricity. My 'NAS' for example is easily over 300W because it's 16 hard drives on an older platform. His suggestion of the 4 bay n100 (4 'e' core intel CPU) type NAS likely uses about as much power as just the RAM in my system (before adding drives).

It's a shame the Del Precision 3660 Workstation doesn't have a nice heap of drive bays. It supports ECC although not with i3 processors. Kinda strange. It used to be the opposite back in the day - only the i3's supported it.

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge did you ever get into ansible?

[stiff steeple]

how do i set up an openvpn connection in ubuntu such that only LAN connections (192.168.*.*) run over the VPN?

[amber urchin]

I'm confused. Are you trying to encrypt all your LAN traffic that way locally thru a private VPN?

[stiff steeple]

okay, such that only connections on a couple specific subnets (192.168.111.*, 192.168.112.*) run through the VPN.

my ip address to the router here is on 192.168.0.*

but the VPN connection gives me a 192.168.111.* address.

the issue is, connections outside (say, steam download servers) are routed through the VPN.

which i don't want.

[amber urchin]

Sounds like a routing table thing.

[clear igloo]

split tunneling is what you want

[rocky badge]

no

[stuck grove]

2.5g networking my beloved

[lone crane]

Ama need to buy some cat 6 ans then I can do 4x as much as you

[wet wigeon]

🥱

[amber urchin]

Jake likely already won this constest while doing the pi video

[stiff steeple]

my VPN config ip pool today assigned me an IP address that should belong to infrastructure.

i try to limit users to IP addresses greater than .100

but i got .10...

how do i change the IP pool?

NM

192.168.111.128/25

[opal pagoda]

thats an diffrent subnet
you wont be able to reach the "infrastructure" ip's without router in between

[twin pier]

Idk what they're using but if its wireguard, subnet doesn't matter since you're just writing out IP ranges

I wonder if stuff like openvpn would be the samd

[muted needle]

IP pools also sometimes use CIDR notation, which doesn't affect the subnet values for the network in any way

[waxen obsidian]

update: powerline network adapters are actually the most ass thing i ever bought even when being used on the same circuit. returning these on the third of june. i found a better solution for free using a switch and a spare router. I advise against this product unless your house is like really low of "noise", like coming from routers and stuff

[topaz patrol]

#networking message

You were warned lol

[waxen obsidian]

yep

well, at least now i know for the future

[fallow cloak]

Can be useful in some situations but yeah almost certainly shit, also introduces a lot of noise on your power circuits. Seens ome extremely weird behaviour when powerline adaptors are plugged in.

[stuck grove]

powerline is extremely susceptible to noise on the circuit it’s on or other circuits

you can get decent performance out of it, like a gigabit ish, but that’s extremely hard to see in practice

[meager ginkgo]

Use MoCa Adapters instead if you have coax ports

1000x more reliable and almost guaranteed to give you the full MoCA bandwidth your adapter is capable of.

[waxen obsidian]

I wanted to do this but unfortunately I don't have coax. Will remember for the years to come

[waxen obsidian]

Well, my internet plan is like half a gigabit, when on the same circuit as the router I only get likeee 12ish mb/s. I gave up on those adapters and just hooked a switch up to my modem and hooked a second router up in my room giving me full speeds. Circuitry and space worked out cause the modem is right outside my room.

[stuck grove]

if you’re ever doing new runs, do ethernet not coax

[fallow cloak]

Why did you hook up a second router? You're probably double NAT'd now which in theory is fine but not ideal

[torn barn]

A ubiqity ap should be able to work on a 500ft cat6a cable right? I have tested that the cable has data without too much packet loss (<1%) and the poe works too. But the ap refuses to acknowledge the wired network.

im aware that 500ft is far beyond the recommended length and am planning to cut ot down to about 350ft, but i want to make sure the setup works before i cut custom length cables cus i only really have one shot at this. Should i just pray to the ubiquity gods that by cutting the cable down the ap will recoginize the network or is there something i can try to get it to use the wired connection before i cut and burry this cable across my property

[peak cloak]

why can't you test the AP on a much shorter cable just directly connected

[torn barn]

i can, and when i use a shorter cable it works

[peak cloak]

which AP is it btw?

[torn barn]

its the unifi AC mesh

[peak cloak]

ok so seems like it's just POE, that'll work for 100m or 328ft

[torn barn]

the thing is that there is enough power for it to turn on and boot, but it just stays in an isolated state or tried to wirelessly mesh into the network, neither of which are the desired behavior

[peak cloak]

could be some fuckery with the cable being so long, I'd think it would work with a proper cable length assuming no defects in the cable

[torn barn]

ok, so we pray to the ubiquity and the cable gods that it just works after i cut the cable to length

[peak cloak]

you tested the cable you said?

[torn barn]

i currently have my laptop plugged into it and have run a few basic tests

i get about 10mb up and down, and when i did a ping test to the network swich im pluged into i only had about 1% packet loss

[peak cloak]

hmm yeah I mean worth a shot I guess

[torn barn]

Looks like it was just some cable fuckery, I cut it to length and its happy now

[waxen obsidian]

Well it's full speed rn so it's not really an issue. I just split my modem using a switch. I'm not daisy chaining routers

There's like 0 latency too

[stiff steeple]

this is openvpn; config is occuring in tplink omada SDN.

for some reason, it specifies the IP pool for VPN clients in CIDR notation.

after i set that notation, and reconnected, it assigned me the IP address of .143, and i could still access the infrastructure IP's without issue.

[lavish eagle]

anyone know of like a modem/router that i could buy for like $100 and have good connection?

[stiff steeple]

separate your modem from your router.

don't buy combination devices.

[lavish eagle]

do yk of a good one for both thats cheap?

i have absolute 0 clue with anything networking

i just have a problem w my computer where it drops while gaming and will cut back in and out

[stiff steeple]

not really. cheap networking equipment is an endless source of frustration, at least for me in the past.

[stuck grove]

the one from your ISP

[stiff steeple]

buy an appropriate modem for your ISP. they generally publish a list of compatible modems.

[lavish eagle]

we have fiber internet i just need another modem to plug into

[stiff steeple]

you have fiber... doesn't the ISP provide the modem?

at that point all you need is a router.

[lavish eagle]

we have a modem but its in living room and mom dosnt want me to move it at all

and we had the extender modems but they discontinued them to make us pay for them monthly

[stiff steeple]

...i'm confused. what are you calling a modem?

[lavish eagle]

idfk the big att thing in my living room XD

[stiff steeple]

your ISP will only recognize one modem. you plug an ethernet cable from the modem into the router's WAN port.

then any other wired devices into the router's lan ports.

[lavish eagle]

yeah so i got a modem but no routers

[stiff steeple]

okay...

so you're looking for a router recommendation?

wifi?

[lavish eagle]

yes

for ethernet plugin

[stiff steeple]

wait, what?

does your personal device connect to the network over wifi, or wired?

and how far is it from your personal device to the modem?

[lavish eagle]

i just dm'd u a pic of it

[lone crane]

he is just looking for a AP

[lone crane]

"sends a D pic"

fyi just do not DM pleas

[lavish eagle]

sorry

so i just need a cheap ish wireless mesh

[clear igloo]

If you have AT&T fiber you have the BGW210 or BGW320

Likely the 320 if it's a newer install in the past couple of years and that's the ONT/Router
There is no modem with fiber installs

The question is do you need ethernet from their device to your device or do you need to do WiFi to connect your PC to the router and just need better signal?

[stiff steeple]

googling, the photo he sent me is a BGW320, and he had a wifi range extender that apparently got discontinued.

or ATT stopped supporting/took it back

not sure.

[lavish eagle]

they discontinued it

sent a email out and everyting

[stiff steeple]

manufacturer discontinued?

do you own the range extender?

or did ATT?

[lavish eagle]

i own it i think bc they didnt ask for it back

[stiff steeple]

then what's stopping you from continuing to use it?

[lavish eagle]

bc it just blinks red

they stopped it on their end from connecting to modem

[stiff steeple]

hmm

my recommendation stands, i guess.

[clear igloo]

The extender is likely the AirTies 4920 or 4921 which is dead because it's WPS connected and the BGW320 software was updated to remove WPS support

[clear igloo]

Do you need wireless connectivity to your router or does it need to be hardwired?

[lavish eagle]

uhhh like i need another wireless airties to then connect my pc to

[clear igloo]

So wifi, got it

Get a mesh system, depending on how much you want to spend

[lavish eagle]

i got like $100

[clear igloo]

yah, it's wired only into the node which is wifi back so you're basically on wifi

[lavish eagle]

https://www.amazon.com/WiFi-6-Mesh-System-AX3000/dp/B09WTM34DF

like this one

[clear igloo]

Yup

[lavish eagle]

u think i will have to call att to get it approved?

[clear igloo]

Nope

[lavish eagle]

so itll be plug n play for most part?

[clear igloo]

Pretty much, yup

There might be some settings you'll want to change to avoid double nat with the mesh system connected to the AT&T box but honestly, not a huge deal if you're not port forwarding

[lavish eagle]

i ordered it so hopefully it fixes

it gets here anywhere from 4am-8am

[honest plover]

I just moved to my parents and they pay for decent wifi but it's routed through the top floor and that's where the router is, I have a tp link for my pc in the middle floor but my TV in the same room struggles to watch 1080p sometimes as the connection is quite bad, and bottom floor gets basically no connection. Although there's just 1 room on bottom floor.

Is there anything that we csn get to fix the wifi signal on the 2nd floor? The TV i have is a 4k oled so want to be able to watch 4k but like I said struggling to even do 1080 at times

In the UK if that helps

[stiff steeple]

MOCA + mesh wifi?

if they own the house, run an ethernet cable

if the wall near where the box is on runs through all 3 floors, pull a cable to each floor through the same wall.

[meager ginkgo]

This would be my recommendation, UK typically doesn’t have the same level of coax infrastructure most US houses have unfortunately however.

[topaz patrol]

Keep in mind having someone do a run of cat6 will often about the same price as a pair of MoCA adapters

[meager ginkgo]

true, but in majority of cases, it's almost impossible to run cabling without doing some kind of damage.

Can also grab a two pack of 2.5gig moca adapters for around $60 on ebay new.

[opal pagoda]

you can stealth run the cable in most cases
you will just need to drill small hole in the wall in between rooms

[topaz patrol]

At least $200 here ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ruby geyser]

You could try the Devolo powerline lan kit. The 'Magic 2' is meant to be 2.4Gbps (ideal). It's a bit spendy (made in Germany), but might help. Amazon UK has it.

They do ethernet-only ones, along with units with WiFi APs.

[honest plover]

If it was an option I would

[honest plover]

Not sure what that is

Hoping to get something thatll fix the issue but not be annoying to setup, no drilling etc

Or putting holes anywhere

[topaz patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUkewknce4

[honest plover]

Dont think we have any of those outlets

Never seen one before

[opal pagoda]

360 noscope right through my cables

[clear igloo]

ouch, that's a bad no scope 😦

[flint sage]

whats the loweset internet speed you guys had?

[pastel monolith]

28.8 modems, we had a 14.4 but it got replaced pretty quickly to 28.8 then 56k then the jump to broadband/coax became available

[stuck grove]

200mbps

[lone crane]

You are 100% nor allowed to show that

Also this is why you torrent

[lone crane]

Get rekt, how much of the building got nuked, and god dam do I hope those were cat 5 so it at least can get a upgrade

[twin pier]

5 kbps via verizon

cell service sucks at my house

[flint sage]

i have the fastest

[twin pier]

Hmmmm

[stuck grove]

did you not hear the “You are 100% no[t] allowed to show that” bit?

[lone crane]

Also what is that file format

[stuck grove]

a “pre-rendered video file” format

[lone crane]

O wow

[stuck grove]

i’ve never seen it before

but video piracy gets weird with formats sometimes

[flint sage]

what bit

[opal pagoda]

Just access controll and couple of cameras

[flint sage]

oh shit

[stuck grove]

the message sim sent in response to you posting that image

[flint sage]

hell no

[flint sage]

i realised my mistake

it was for my 3ds thats why its .moflex

[opal pagoda]

When building was built cat6a was used, we use cat7 now

[flint sage]

its for 3ds

[flint sage]

3ds, its for the 3ds

[flint sage]

i realised my mistake

[lone crane]

O wow not seen any deployments using gg45 yet

[flint sage]

it FOR the 3ds becuse nintendo hates normal stuff so .moflex files are made by nintendo

[opal pagoda]

We use cat 7 with regular shielded rj45 cat6a connectors due to it having enhanced shielding which is benaficial for our usecase

[lone crane]

Nice

[stuck grove]

i wonder how far they’ll go with increasing ethernet speeds before fiber becomes more ubiquitous for the general public

[lone crane]

But why did they need to make this holes in the first place

[lone crane]

Ngl even 10gig you should go fiber

[flint sage]

whats the use case

[stuck grove]

Yeah that’s what i’ve done at home

[lone crane]

And there is no rj45 over 10gig

[opal pagoda]

Something relating to the new chiller instalation

[lone crane]

Long runs in a higher emi place

[flint sage]

ohhhh got it

[flint sage]

that explaines the hole

[lone crane]

I wonder how you are going to rerun it now

[stuck grove]

pull a new run

[opal pagoda]

Runs in cable trays which are sometimes shared with electrical, industrial enterprise use

[honest plover]

Since I can't do coax, what mesh would work. Hoping I don't need to spend a ton to get one that'll do what I want, which is to be able to watch in 4K without buffering

[stuck grove]

or curse out whoever drilled the hole and make them pay for a contractor to come out and do it

[stuck grove]

4k video is such a low bar

that’s like peak 20mbps

[flint sage]

oh so u bought that to hopefully not get noise

[opal pagoda]

Good luck with that lmao
This will be paid from our opex

[lone crane]

No like they need that hole but that hole has the plastic run thingies in the concrete

[stuck grove]

probably have to drill some new holes for conduit

[lone crane]

I wanna see how it ends up

[opal pagoda]

Or just wall mounted cable tray to make it extra ugly

[lone crane]

What I was imagining

[fallow cloak]

tik at night looking

[random siren]

cat 8.1 is theoretically specced for rj45 25gig iirc but only with a cable length of 30m max instead of the usual 100m
(would personally start using fiber at 10gig+ though)

[clear igloo]

My 10G RJ-45 with POE++ would beg to differ
or did you mean above 10g speeds (ie 25g) with RJ45?

[clear igloo]

It's only theoretical, there is not a single device in the market that does 25G over 8p8c RJ45
8.2 is 40g too for 30m

[lone crane]

Yes

[clear igloo]

Yah, I can't read good today either so I had to second guess myself after my first sentence, lol

[random siren]

oh ye absolutely its only theoretical. and i dont think this will ever change aslong as 1gig is not replaced as the cheap default or maybe ever

[clear igloo]

Even then it would take a miracle to get the heat output down too
10g fiber SFP outputs like 1 watt of heat or less
10g copper SFP up to 2.5w depending

Integrated 10g rj45 though, no SFP, is still power hungry though so I imagine 25g would be worse

[honest plover]

There's not much else I can think of that I need, Im using a powerline av for my pc in the same room, I only get about 40 upload 30 download or whatever, but the TV struggles to do 4K with how crap the signal is in here for wifi, which is why I wanted to try get something to fix it.

[honest plover]

Would the TP-Link Deco M4 be fine? £74.99

For a 2 pack

[stuck grove]

for 75euro it isn't bad

though it is only wifi5

[honest plover]

GBP

[stuck grove]

pounds, euros, and usd are all pretty close anyways

[honest plover]

And whats the difference between wifi5 vs wifi6? Do I really need it if my goal is just to be able to stream 4K on my tv

[stuck grove]

not really tbh

[honest plover]

Just need to see if I can actually fit the mesh if I get it, one of the outlets in the socket is broken. The other one has my powerline av in and inside that is the extension lead which I think the router is plugged into

Which if that's the case I don't have anywhere I can put the first mesh, as it ideally needs to go into the router with ethernet to be more stable (from what I saw online)

[amber urchin]

Only depends on the run. You can get passive direct attach copper cables up to 3 meters for speeds up to 800gig / 2 meters for 1600gig (in development) and it is better to use them than fiber for most applications.
https://www.optcore.net/what-is-direct-attach-copper-cable/

[lone crane]

Ofc, but I meant as in 8p8c due to hoe common it is

[opal pagoda]

They are excelent for connecting server to leaf but outside of rack is questionable

[lone crane]

Yeeaa

And ofc if ya wanna go more then like 10-20m got to be fiber

But then it's a fiber dac

[pastel monolith]

Yeah ideally is just the mesh router setup really and turn off other WiFi APs usually main mesh router acts as the configuration point and can directly hook to a modem (or other router acting as "bridge" or with "passthrough" to the main mesh router)

Power wise can always get a splitter though too

Ideally want each access point you have about mid way between the target device and the main router but is always matter of where is there power and where can it live too

About WiFi protocols like a/b/g/n/5/6/7 you can only really make use of those if the radio on both sides supports a given protocol, only reason I've seen to go with the latest ones is VR streaming from PC, for all other cases it's pretty much negligible anything like "802.11n" or better can support the bandwidth for 4k (assuming not shite signal)

I guess if moving big files over wireless is worth having the extra bandwidth but above like 25-30mbps should be all that's needed for a 4K stream

[honest plover]

Thanks for the info, ideally the mesh would go in the hallway outside the room with the router in, and ethernet those 2 together, only issue is that if they shut the door the cable is gonna get trapped and don't want it to break. Otherwise it would be in their room, and if the door is shut not sure if that will make a big impact. As for the second one, I'd just put it outside our room assuming that's the best place for it to go

And I assume that'd all you need to do for it to be setup?

Just want to try understand it a bit better snd make sure i know where they can actually go before buying it

[pastel monolith]

Yep for sure and yah they each just need power outside first one that needs some wired connection

[amber urchin]

The fiber version of a DAC would be AOC (active optical cable). Personally, I would go with transceiver plus fiber over AOC (most likely OM3, though OM4 is also a possibility for a bit longer distance).

[pastel monolith]

About the door would probably just do some testing and see if worth it to snake a wire out somehow or punch a hole to pass the connection through, WiFi always finicky and depends a lot on the materials if it'll reflect or get absorbed so always just takes some hands on checking.

Also about passing through is just usually the best option if the routers aren't made to mesh or else end up with more noise on WiFi bands so can make overall bandwidth worse (again depends on a lot of factors, using different WiFi channels far from each other can help for example but is extra config most people don't do, my latest router has some auto optimize thing that picks the channel based on noise)

[honest plover]

grv9517uac34-a-sa
That's out router if it helps in any way

[twin pier]

if you want shitty YouTube quality

actually decent 4k is like 50-80 Mbps

[stuck grove]

which is most likely what they meant

[twin pier]

what if they jellyfin

[stuck grove]

then that's unfortunate

[twin pier]

I should say streaming quality then

actually I wonder if you use av1 if they also use the same cap so its way higher quality

[topaz patrol]

Wdym? Netflix doesn't limit itself to only 15Mbps

[twin pier]

Oh then even better

When you posted that I thought you were saying that Netflix was also low bitrate like youtube

[topaz patrol]

I don't think Netflix cares too much about bandwidth, they've already got open connect boxes everywhere

[weak spindle]

just upgraded my home network to a full ubiquiti setup, got everything at the santa clara micro center that just opened in the bay area (finally)

unfortunately this is the fastest speed my ISP offers rn thanks to high split cable only and no fiber

ATT is rolling out its 8gbps fiber nearby though, and everything I have is ready for 10GbE ethernet + WiFi 7 when that arrives

when my house was custom built in 2018 I had every single room wired with at least 1 ethernet port with cat 6a runs for all of them, some rooms have 3 lol, but tbh I shouldve done some fiber runs I didnt anticipate the wildly increasing data usage after the covid era

my unifi controller/network server is a jailbroken fanless chromebook with a Y series i5 and a ethernet adapter i stuffed in a closet but if it works it works

[meager ginkgo]

AT&T doesn’t offer 8gbps fiber? It’s up to 5gbps

[peak cloak]

It's more than enough for most people

I have 300/300 because it's cheap

No real need for more

[weak spindle]

Gosh I confused it with Google fiber again

[weak spindle]

That’s good tho and fiber has low latency

[flint sage]

i cry at myself after seeing your internet speeds 😭

u have infinite money

[honest plover]

4k for everything, currently only have netflix but thinking abt disney+.

Well "everything", I mean netflix for now, not sure what other services are actually worthwhile to pay for

[fallow cloak]

Depends on region ig. I pay £60 for 5Gb/5Gb

1Gb sym would be £20

[flint sage]

The fucj I've got a 40mbps unlimited data pac for $10 and have been using a python script to bypass the speed

[fallow cloak]

sadge. how does the bypass work?

[meager ginkgo]

Upgraded to the U7 XG APs recently

[flint sage]

basically the provider im using brags about its speeds in speedtest.org, but when i go to other internet speed test, its shit, absolute dog water. so i was like hmm if i start a download and load speedtest, will it increase the speeds, and yes it does. But after 1 minute it would slow down again, that can be fixed by reloading the page. so i made a python program that opens a insistence of crome and refresh speedtest every 40 seconds
i never had speed issues since

[steep tartan]

anyone have exp with Powerline adapter?

[lone crane]

not me personally but heard dam bad things.

[eager urchin]

not really a network thing, BUT...

(( caution : big ahh chat ))

so... i didn't like the fan noise of my gaemeng pc, so since i have good network and internet overall, i installed my pc in the same cabinet as my router (my pc's in a small custom cardboard box, and connected via ethernet, to stream it to my mac upstairs.

and i have an access point/repeater upstairs which is also connected by ethernet to the router downstairs (shielded CAT6 cables in walls)

the cabinet really isolates the sound and it doesnt come upstairs, it could've since my house has like a big empty space in the living area, between the first and second floor.

and yeah, im streaming it rn with parsec and the latency aint that bad actually, and it isnt that important to me

btw, any tips about how to turn on my pc by ethernet ? (it has an aliexpress intel X99 mb, with E52630V4)

[lone crane]

WoL

[eager urchin]

nvm at 50percent fan speed its heard a bit

i'll put it in the basement there's ethernet cables there too

[cunning lion]

The Problem I see with a 3 M.2+2 5.25" bay NAS is that M.2 ssds do NOT have the same capcity as 5.25" HDDS

https://a.co/d/5hx6oHr something like this basically

[amber urchin]

2.5" ssd, 3.5" hdd, 5.25 optical

[cunning lion]

You know what I mean

[lone crane]

5.25 HDDs?

[lone crane]

no

[lone crane]

i think the point is to have a large pool for like 20TB HDDs then another for 2 4TB nvmes in raid one for some dam fast stuff and then in the end using that last nvme slot for caching

[cunning lion]

At this point I am thinking I may repalce my old i5 3570k+2060 Super system with an AMD based MiniPC+DAS for HTPC/NAS setup

There are plenty of Ryzen 9 based ones I can pickthrough

[lone crane]

install bazzite on the old boy and do steam streaming from the main server

[cunning lion]

Already running Bazzite LOL

Its a Large ATX build that I would love to miniaturize into something smaller

as can be seen currently sitting on the floor lol

[lone crane]

NUC time

[cunning lion]

Yeah I am thinking an AMD based mini PC wpuld be a great replacement

[ornate jungle]

Yup. I've setup powerline AV adapters in various people's homes. Sometimes they work well. Sometimes they're complete garbage. And sometimes they work until someone turns on a high-power device, like a vacuum.

[flint sage]

u can buy onenna those thingis where you can turn your pc on remotely like a pokeball or smh

[topaz patrol]

Treadmills too

[cunning lion]

Yeah powerline is hit or miss at best of times. Honestly MOCA is a better option if you have coaxail in the house

[prisma scaffold]

I am setting up a lancache using lancache.net as a Truenas Application (after several failed attemps with a regular ubuntu vm). So far i get sent to the cache when using nslookup and i also recive an answer, yet steam is stuck at 0 bits per second. Any fixes?

[lone crane]

o yeah i wanna try the same some time

[granite idol]

I have a cheap annke NVR and camera set and the interface / mobile app kinda of sucks. I want to sell it and get something else. Noticed that Ubiquiti unifi has this and people say it's overall high quality but a bit on the pricier side, which is not a problem for me.

Also since their UNVR is part of their unifi lineup... it made me look more into their gateways, which would provide an easier interface to work with for all of the network in my house, and their switches are pretty nice, they seem to be having quite cool stuff, which made me think of things that I could do with this tech.

I'd like to be able to power on my computer remotely, it already automatically launches sunshine, so I could access it from wherever. I'd also like a easy to access NAS, not sure if unifi provides tools for that. They do have a NAS they are marketing now, but it has way too many bays I don't need and cannot run apps like plex or qbittorrent for my linux ISOs like stuff synology offers :/

Not sure how to go ahead and figure out what I need for it.

[untold idol]

can anyone tell me if this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0DC99N2T8?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 with this is a good combo https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07M8BNVSD?smid=A1KWJVS57NX03I&psc=1

[topaz patrol]

If you want wifi 7 that is barely wifi 7

Doesn’t even have 6ghz

[ornate jungle]

Technically, if it doesn't have 6GHz... can it legally be called "WiFi 7" as per the IEEE 802.11be spec? 🤔

(I'm aware TP-Link and ASUS have a few models like this. Just seems weird they're even allowed...)

[untold idol]

i dont want wifi 7 just wifi 6

[twin pier]

i dont think its required

[topaz patrol]

It’s probably TP-Link purposely ignoring the definitions in rfc2119

[ornate jungle]

It is to be certified... https://www.wi-fi.org/wi-fi-macphy

[ornate jungle]

https://dongknows.com/tp-link-archer-be3600-wi-fi-7-router-review/

[topaz patrol]

Those pesky should/may/must/shalls

I think there was an argument about auto negotiation here involving a similar confusion

[untold idol]

so is it good?

[ornate jungle]

No idea. Just thought I'd link you to a place that compares these things so you can formulate your own opinion about the product depending on your needs.

[untold idol]

i mean i use ethernet on xbox and my pc then i have wifi hooked up with everything else so im just looking for soemthing that doesnt brake the bank and the range isnt anything i need to worry about. but also 1 gig is the highest speeds ill get up here

[topaz patrol]

It’s not a horrible deal, especially with 2.5GbE ports

[unborn sluice]

Ok

[random siren]

Looks like 6ghz isnt mandatory. But this https://mrncciew.com/2024/12/14/wi-fi-7-overview/ is the only source ive found that even says anything about 6ghz being mandatory or not. most say neither, just that its available since 6e.

from what i can find, most are saying wifi 6 was mostly about ofdma. 6e was about supporting, but not making mandatory 6ghz ofdma. and wifi 7 is about mlo and mru.

[ornate jungle]

Ah yes. Good old https://xkcd.com/927

Why bother standardizing things when we can just make exceptions to the rules? I understand that 6GHz isn't available in all countries but this kind of undermines the entire purpose of standards so... 🤷

xkcd: Standards

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

[twin pier]

wikipedia says its required and cites this page, but i don't see where they got it from on the page https://documentation.meraki.com/MR/Wi-Fi_Basics_and_Best_Practices/Wi-Fi_7_(802.11be)_Technical_Guide

i would love to read the actual document to see for sure but i'm not rich

anyone here have $380 to spend on a discord argument

[opal pagoda]

it is optional
just like 5ghz is optional in wifi 6

[opal pagoda]

it is not 6ghz capable

[random siren]

wikipedia does not say 6ghz is required and that link also does not say 6ghz is required

[random siren]

i just dont like that it isnt very obvious what is mandatory and what isnt

[ornate jungle]

Right? It's like USB-C all over again. The problem with optional features is most consumers don't even know they're a thing to look out for, let alone know where they should look.

[opal pagoda]

https://www.scribd.com/document/782509184/Wi-fi-7-in-depth
it is from this doc but it is ass to search in

[twin pier]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_7

Idk why the link doesn't say its required though but I already said that

[random siren]

bro, everybody already said its not mandatory. show me the line that says it is

[twin pier]

Huh I can't find it anymore

Now I'm confused

I also thought it wasn't mandatory but I couldve sworn it said so on that page

[clear igloo]

Don't worry Wi-Fi 8 will fix it 😄

[twin pier]

they'll add 40 GHz and then make it not mandatory

[clear igloo]

Nah, 8 is focused on stability and not new frequency thankfully

Wi-Fi 9 will add 1THz and make it optional on Tuesdays

[twin pier]

That's sound

[lone crane]

i BADLY hope 6GHz becomes mandatory then

[wet wigeon]

mmm i can feel the radiation wifi

[opal pagoda]

for 6e it is mandatory

[fickle lily]

anyone have used rconfig with mikrotik to back up your router and switch ?

[topaz patrol]

That’s a bad question

What are you wanting to achieve, or what do you want to know?

[thick mirage]

Is there a way to open ports on a main router to only specific devices?

The main router will be down the line for locational reasons within my parents house

[fickle lily]

i am havign problem with mikrotik on rconfig back up . the template seems to only allow 10 second of timeout and it would logout the ssh connection before it finish the back up .

[topaz patrol]

Much better question 🙂

[peak cloak]

Yeah

That's how all port forwarding basically works

[stuck grove]

just got me a ubiquiti aggregation switch and u6 pro from microcenter

[opal pagoda]

what will you use aggregation switch for?

[stuck grove]

top of rack switch for my server rack

[stuck grove]

just gotta get some more DACs so i can actually use the damn thing

i kinda forgot i have like no SFP+ cables/transceivers laying around

[stuck grove]

anyone got a link to something like this but on amazon

[opal pagoda]

Just mount your ag switch "backwards" in the rack (on the rear 2 rack posts)

[lone crane]

yeah no got no clue what you mean

[topaz patrol]

Air works quite well

[stuck grove]

Not an option, i have some stuff directly behind my rack

[opal pagoda]

you take a switch (preferably a port side exaust one) and mount it in the back of the rack

it ends up looking like this

[lone crane]

o wow

[silent flax]

this is end result of network addiction. You start with a single switch, and end up with a full height rack

[crystal viper]

question is a ubiquity mesh worth it?

right now have a t-mobile 5g

[halcyon elm]

setting up a Landing page for a Unifi Network. for more control of the page looks would coding my own page be worth it or would using unfi built in captive portal work fine. i will be running pi hole on the network so i can run the page through that.

[meager ginkgo]

Ideally you wouldn’t use mesh

you’d wire each unit back to the router via Ethernet or MoCA adapters (coax)

[stuck grove]

so pretty

[cosmic shore]

Just joined sharing my networking stuff I'm only 15 and I'm got a pretty nice setup for only paying around a hundred bucks for everything

[cosmic shore]

should i change the fw port num for my minecraft server, it got hacked

[amber urchin]

firewall blocks all non essential ports from the outside, change passwords, start server from scratch and only install from official sources

[wet wigeon]

Speed

Result 1 is my u6 enterprise, 2nd is my u6+

However, I gotta properly mount them, and maybe I'll get better results

[lone crane]

how to tell someone is in Australia without them telling you it, do not even need the logo

[topaz patrol]

I mustn't be in australia

[lone crane]

its not sym

[topaz patrol]

It can be, just shape it down to 500/500

We do that for 100/100, 200/200 and 400/400

:p

[twin pier]

Placing my bets on the original guy being from Midwest USA

[topaz patrol]

Zekrom? He’s Aussie

[twin pier]

darn

I thought you guys were implying it wasn't known

[pseudo blade]

And I guess a plane can be a very tall car if we just take the wings off

[topaz patrol]

Also true!

[pseudo blade]

Would it kill NBN co to stop trying to gating upload speeds behind ludicrously expensive plans just in case we might be making any money off the connection?

[topaz patrol]

Too bad no symmetrical speeds for the next 15+ years

[pseudo blade]

I just signed up for 1000/400 because FTTP went live on my street today

$200 a month
Fucking insane

Company's paying for it or I'd never consider even that

[topaz patrol]

The new F-NTDs aren’t even capable of symmetric above 800mbps or something

[pseudo blade]

Eh? GPON can do symmetric gigabit

It's like 2.5 down and 1.something up on the link

But obviously not for individual consumers

[topaz patrol]

The F-NTDs are the limitation now, politics aside

The new F-NTDs have a maximum upstream capacity of 900mbps or something

[pseudo blade]

I'd like to know what limitations you're talking about

Got a doc I can read?

[topaz patrol]

I can show you part of a doc

[pseudo blade]

I'll take what I can get and then I can do my own digging from there

[topaz patrol]

I'm sure someone has leaked it on whirlpool if you want the full document

1100mbps

[pseudo blade]

Because I know GPON is the underlying technology and the NTDs have to obey that

Yeah but from that I can't tell if it's policy or hardware

I'd be tempted to say policy

[topaz patrol]

It's hardware, see W-NTD specs

8.89Mbps isn't policy, that's hardware

[pseudo blade]

Could still be a mix of the two

God the first gen fixed wireless NTDs were shit though

[topaz patrol]

Likely. But I doubt they can do symmetrical 2gig

Still a couple hundred out in the wild. They're a pita because orders need to be done manually with a trouble ticket

[pseudo blade]

No the technology forbids it

2.5 down, 1.25 up

[topaz patrol]

Exactly what I was saying

[pseudo blade]

For GPON, looked it up

But that's for everyone on the link

[topaz patrol]

xgspon is being rolled out on demand

Has been for the last 12 months or something

[pseudo blade]

You can't just upgrade one terminal, you have to upgrade all subscribers on the fiber

To my understanding

[topaz patrol]

You can upgrade the OLT pluggable

It's backwards compatible

[pseudo blade]

Is it a module on the NTD?

[topaz patrol]

OLT, the head end

[pseudo blade]

Ah yes

Well you'd still need to switch out the NTDs

[topaz patrol]

And that will be done when ordered

[pseudo blade]

All of them, even those not desiring the speeds to my understanding

[topaz patrol]

Incorrect

[pseudo blade]

Oh look at that

[topaz patrol]

Nokia has some fancy name for it

[pseudo blade]

Combo PON

[topaz patrol]

https://blog.zcorum.com/gpon-xgs-gpon-options-for-fiber-deployments#:~:text=Also%2C XGS-PON systems are backward compatible%2C meaning they can operate at the same wavelengths as an existing GPON system.

[topaz patrol]

Yeah something like that

[pseudo blade]

Funny what you can find only once you confidently state the contrary

[topaz patrol]

[pseudo blade]

Me

[topaz patrol]

Oh

lol

[pseudo blade]

Yeah

[frosty stone]

Yikes, you can get symmetrical 4gbps on XGSpon for less than that here in nz, Gpon max (~900/~500) is usually $100-120nzd

[topaz patrol]

Opticomm has 4000/50 or something stupid like that

Just be glad you're not stuck with opticomm lmao

[frosty stone]

The fuck kinda cable spec speed is that

[pseudo blade]

"Don't you dare run a business on this"

[topaz patrol]

Don't worry, it's fibre! 🤣

Sorry. 4000/100

[frosty stone]

Burn their office to the ground

[topaz patrol]

Opticomm is ridiculously stupid

[pseudo blade]

The joy of monopolies

Everyone forgets that one so it gets away with more too

[topaz patrol]

They make it cheap for the developer then fuck over the RSPs and end users

[pseudo blade]

Be glad they're not maxing out at 50/20 for $150 I guess

[topaz patrol]

I'm sure they would be if the ACCC let them

[frosty stone]

Annoyingly the only way to get the SFP ONT module is with a high priority access business plan which is 1000/1000 for $580nzd/month

[pseudo blade]

What we see here a bit is in-town folks using 4/5G instead because NBN pricing is so uncompetitive it has a chance

[topaz patrol]

You can get an SFP ONT if you're a traffic light or smart bin in Australia, does that count?

[frosty stone]

Wtf

[topaz patrol]

Not joking

[pseudo blade]

Everything I've seen is cellular

For smart bins

[topaz patrol]

https://www.nbnco.com.au/develop-or-plan-with-the-nbn/new-developments/smart-places

[frosty stone]

I now identify as a smart bin

Give me SFP module

[pseudo blade]

Some are Bluetooth

[topaz patrol]

Yeah, because smart places is ridiculously expensive, but nbn would love all the smart bins to use their product

[pseudo blade]

I suspect that product pitch is more... aspirational... than practical

[pseudo blade]

Yep

[topaz patrol]

lol

[pseudo blade]

NBN co would of course like you to pay wholesale rates to connect your random pieces of garbage to the internet

In reality NB-IOT or CAT-M are the way to go for a myriad of reasons

[topaz patrol]

Makes sense for traffic lights and cameras, and public wifi

Not much else

[pseudo blade]

If it's suitable for the use case LoRAWAN

[frosty stone]

Oh so there is another SFP option for normal business plans

But I can't find anyone that actually provides it

[topaz patrol]

I’m glad chorus at least has equally shit speed tier names

Home fast super fast ultrafast hyper fast

Next we’ll have home hyper fast pro max

[frosty stone]

The 300/100 just got upped to 500/100 for free

[topaz patrol]

Similar thing is kind of happening here

[pseudo blade]

Home fast but not upload fast fast super ultra mega 50

[topaz patrol]

They’re making a real mess of everything

Like for fucks sake, why

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/934533744197513269/1377935485602893845/image.png?ex=68400bec&is=683eba6c&hm=9d532b779707d13ac519b519195af542ef902b0d0423759a7c3922d23ef234d8&

[frosty stone]

Petition to ban HFC branding

Actually, petition to ban marking anything other than FTTP as fiber/fibre

[topaz patrol]

It’s more transparent than some places in the US where it’s advertised as fibre but it is still docsis

And I’ve seen some dodgy ads from American wisps essentially saying their diy ubnt crap is fibre

That Facebook group is hilarious

[opal pagoda]

i live in the datacenter walls

[topaz patrol]

You need to shape that upload speed. Unacceptably high!

[opal pagoda]

clearly

[ionic grove]

I could see if in the future places started attaching ev chargers to electric poles it could also make sense

Not sure how high up the scale of hypothetical that is tho lol, iirc I heard the idea in a Technology Connections vid

[topaz patrol]

No it wouldn’t, the pricing isn’t very competitive compared to LTEM and NBIOT

[opal pagoda]

in reality if chargers are dense enough a zigbee like mesh network with one acting as a gateway would be cheaper

so a cluster of up to 50 chargers on one street with one acting as a gateway (this could also be a payment terminal)

[cosmic shore]

In my opinion 250 megabit fiber internet is better than 1 GB cable internet

[twin pier]

why

[sleek patio]

Nasa internet be like

[cosmic shore]

Fiber in my areas a million times more reliable than cable

[cosmic shore]

I got a Cisco ASA 5510 for free is it any good?

[pseudo blade]

Not really?
It's pretty old

If you wanted to lab an ASA or perform basic low-speed networking it can do that but the firmware's likely very old so kinda defeats the point of a "security appliance"

[cosmic shore]

I was wanting to put it in my homelab

It dose have the ssm 10 module

[pseudo blade]

I'd personally look at using a VM with Snort or Suricata

Over an old ASA

[cosmic shore]

would it be good to learn the cisco software on?

[pseudo blade]

Well... it's obsolete and the newer stuff does newer things

So in the event of you working at a place that doesn't refresh their stuff sure... do you want to work there though, and would they hire a newbie and treat them properly? anywhere else... No, you would be ripping and replacing these and either going for another vendor or the much newer stuff

End of support for the 5510 was September 2018

[cosmic shore]

ok, do you now anything about the nanopi r3s I was looking at it to replace my router

[pseudo blade]

Bit spartan, no WiFi and only two ports

Could route on a stick I guess if you want homelab stuff

[cosmic shore]

ya I was going to get the u7 lite if i got it

[pseudo blade]

I presume you want openwrt or something

[cosmic shore]

or should i make my own router

[pseudo blade]

That depends on you I think

It's usually a more expensive approach than buying an integrated option

[cosmic shore]

dose openwrt have good parent controls

and a phone app

[pseudo blade]

You'd have to arrange that yourself, it doesn't have a built-in option

[cosmic shore]

ok

[pseudo blade]

No firstparty phone app

[cosmic shore]

ok

what do you think about the Cloud Gateway Ultra?

[pseudo blade]

No WiFi, cheap for a security gateway, bit expensive for an (effectively) gigabit ethernet router if you weren't using IPS.

Is the UniFi Express 7 a better option for you? Less ports, higher price, but more highly integrated (you could skip the AP)

[cosmic shore]

that would work i would only have to buy 1 u7 lite

i do have 48 port switch

[split jewel]

does anyone know a good alternative exactly like the matrox Extio F2408 that is rack mountable,i am looking to send the 8 diplays from my rackmounted pc to each of my workstations in my home for audio production and gaming

so basically a kvm extender with 4 monitor outputs each

[pseudo blade]

If you need multiple APs and want any features other than networking the gateway ultra can do that, express does only networking. I don't think the express 7 is any different speed-wise though, so it'd be based on if any of the other apps appeal enough to pay the difference

[cosmic shore]

ok thanks

[crystal viper]

why not use the business ones which dont require ethernet

[meager ginkgo]

huh?

[crystal viper]

its more ideal for my situaton

[meager ginkgo]

business ones do use Ethernet.. 99% of businesses use a wired connection

[crystal viper]

the ones linus used for his house in that one video

[meager ginkgo]

Those have Ethernet behind them…

Mesh is garbage most of the time.

[crystal viper]

not the access points

[meager ginkgo]

Sure do.

I have UniFi installed in my house, I would know lmfao

[crystal viper]

wait the enterprise need it?

[topaz patrol]

They do, it’s just hidden in the wall and ceiling cavities 🙂

[meager ginkgo]

Yes. Wireless networking is not 100% reliable

[crystal viper]

i dont have ethernet conduits upstairs rip

[meager ginkgo]

Do you have coax?

just grab a pair of MoCa Adapters for $60

[crystal viper]

you mean the tv ethernet cable thing

[meager ginkgo]

yes

[crystal viper]

yea i have those

[meager ginkgo]

https://ebay.us/m/CxnPxr

[crystal viper]

is it even worth it

[meager ginkgo]

those hook up on each end, and you get 2.5gig Ethernet

[crystal viper]

its not even my house its my parents and we need a better wifi because we a ton of devices @meager ginkgo

[meager ginkgo]

yeah..

MoCA is basically guaranteed to give you a good connection as long as you don’t have crap coax in the walls

[crystal viper]

i aint going that high tho i think like the plan is 500 mb/s

[meager ginkgo]

that’s fine

that’s just the limit

[crystal viper]

wish i had fiber 😭

[crystal viper]

why were some people saying that mesh sucks

[topaz patrol]

Eero or TP-Link mesh will be better than UBNT mesh

[meager ginkgo]

Would avoid eero at all costs

[topaz patrol]

They are designed for mesh, UBNT mesh is sort of an afterthought

[meager ginkgo]

TP-Link is ok though

[crystal viper]

house is big so thats the issue

lets say not to doxx myself 3000+ sqft

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah you’re going to want a wired connection then

[topaz patrol]

Eero is great for people who just want their shit to work and don’t want to touch it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager ginkgo]

Mesh in larger homes is just a band aid

[meager ginkgo]

Oh yeah for sure. There’s just way better options for cheaper / the same price

[crystal viper]

i was just looking around after seeing that linus video where he used ubiquity mesh and showed that it worked fine

i dont know if he made a follow up

[meager ginkgo]

If you only have 500mbps, just grab a tp link mesh system but instead of using mesh to connect the units, use MoCA adapters to send Ethernet to each.

[crystal viper]

would it even matter given i dont have fiber

[meager ginkgo]

yes. Wireless signals degrade through walls

[topaz patrol]

Why are you suggesting people run two pair security cable in their new homes lol

[crystal viper]

placement is hideous because the adapters are outlet level

[meager ginkgo]

Huh?

Because wireless in general is inferior to wired?

[topaz patrol]

In your bio

[meager ginkgo]

Wired gives you more options instead of proprietary wireless systems

[crystal viper]

how is it gonna work tho because i would have to run those ugly wires up the wall or somthing since they are outlet level

so i mean like 4 inches from the floor

[meager ginkgo]

Also not jammable

[topaz patrol]

Cat6 gives you more options than two pair security cable :p

[meager ginkgo]

That’s not the industry standard

for security systems

[crystal viper]

are you listening

[meager ginkgo]

Are you talking about Ubiquiti?

If you don’t have Ethernet already in the walls, I wouldn’t recommend it

[crystal viper]

i have the thing i need an adapter

[meager ginkgo]

What thing?

[crystal viper]

the issue is its really low on the floor meaning i would have to run a wire and tape it to the wall

[crystal viper]

the tv- ethernet

[meager ginkgo]

Coax?

[crystal viper]

yea

[meager ginkgo]

You shouldn’t really have to mount anything on the wall lol

[crystal viper]

for acess points?

[meager ginkgo]

For access points you do yes.

But I wouldn’t recommend that in your case

[crystal viper]

so you are saying buy individual routers?

[meager ginkgo]

Just get a WiFi 6 or higher mesh system off Amazon / BestBuy / w/e

then a pair of MoCA adapters to connect them to the internet

[crystal viper]

because there is a lot fo stress cause its like 16 devices right now tied to 1 5g adapter

[meager ginkgo]

16 devices isn’t a lot 😛

I have 55 on my network lol

[crystal viper]

im getting low speeds

100-200 mbps

[meager ginkgo]

What’s your current setup?

[stuck grove]

what’s your isp provided speed

[meager ginkgo]

500 he said

[crystal viper]

1 5g t-mobil adapter downstairs

[crystal viper]

*it should be 400

[meager ginkgo]

Oh, you’re on 5G internet?

[crystal viper]

yea

[meager ginkgo]

that’s naturally gonna fluctuate

[stuck grove]

does it say “up to 400mbps”?

[meager ginkgo]

5G doesn’t give you a guaranteed speed like a wired ISP would

[stuck grove]

i guarantee you it’s an isp internet connection issue, not a home network topology issue

[meager ginkgo]

^

can test that by plugging into Ethernet on the T-Mobile gateway and doing a Speedtest.

[stuck grove]

you could spend 10k on the best home networking gear and not see much benefit

[topaz patrol]

Very few residential internet connections will ever guarantee speed

[meager ginkgo]

They don’t necessarily “guarantee” but they do make sure you get around the speed you pay for.

At the gateway level at least

internal networking is different

[topaz patrol]

Not saying that fibre etc is worse than 5G, but no residential connection is guaranteed

[topaz patrol]

Best effort 🙂

[crystal viper]

so i should get better results

with 1 router? with isp instead of t-mobile

[meager ginkgo]

? - 5G internet is naturally gonna vary.

[crystal viper]

it sucks hence why the switch

[stuck grove]

are you switching to a new ISP?

[crystal viper]

200 base is bad

[meager ginkgo]

200 isn’t really that bad

[crystal viper]

i was using t-mobile but now maybe switching

[crystal viper]

its bad enough to where we couldnt get a doorbell

[stuck grove]

wired internet would most likely have a benefit

[crystal viper]

because of lack of signal strength

[stuck grove]

yeah that isn’t the reason

[meager ginkgo]

That’s a WiFi issue

[stuck grove]

where the access point is the issue, not the network speed

[crystal viper]

hence the switch

[crystal viper]

no accesspoint

[meager ginkgo]

You’re misunderstanding lol

[crystal viper]

a single router for the whole house

[stuck grove]

If you have wifi, you have an access point

[meager ginkgo]

I mean physical hardware issue.. not the ISP

[crystal viper]

ohh

[stuck grove]

it’s usually bundled in with the router for isp provided hardware

[meager ginkgo]

^

[crystal viper]

so take it up with t-mobile?

[meager ginkgo]

Most “wireless routers” are an Access Point + Router + Switch all in one

[crystal viper]

ic

[stuck grove]

no, you pay for the hardware you got

it’s doing what you were promised, so there’s no issue as far as t mobile is concerned

[crystal viper]

then why the doorbell not connecting

[meager ginkgo]

because your wireless strength isn’t enough at the front door

[stuck grove]

signal strength is too weak

[crystal viper]

and having constant connection issues all over the house

[stuck grove]

You can get more access points and connect it to your router using a wired connection preferably

[crystal viper]

so then i should switch right and get access points around the house

[crystal viper]

they charge for it

[meager ginkgo]

Switch what exactly?

[stuck grove]

switching ISPs won’t change your signal strength…

[meager ginkgo]

T-Mobile is NOT the issue

it’s your internal networking…

[crystal viper]

from t-mobile to local isp and buy my own aps

because if i want it from t-mobile they want you to "upgrade"

[stuck grove]

don’t buy it from t mobile

[meager ginkgo]

Well how much is the local ISP? If it’s the same price or cheaper and you get similar or higher speeds, that could be worth it but won’t necessarily fix the issue

[stuck grove]

buy your own, and wire it to the t mobile provided router

[meager ginkgo]

also that ^

[crystal viper]

50 for the service no router included
t-mobile is 45 with a router and 55 with 1 ap

[meager ginkgo]

what speed?

Again though, this is kinda unrelated and won’t necessarily fix the WiFi issue

[crystal viper]

isp: 500
t-mobile 100-400 but i only get 120 and 200 max if its kind

[meager ginkgo]

oh yeah. Do the local ISP then.

[crystal viper]

thats why i was asking about aps

because i would need those even when switiching

[meager ginkgo]

APs doesn’t really have anything to do with ISP?

[crystal viper]

no for signal

maybe a router will work idk

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah, just grab a WiFi 6 or higher mesh system. Some MoCA adapters and call it a day.

[crystal viper]

so no aps?

[meager ginkgo]

The “mesh” system has that built in

[crystal viper]

oh

then how does the signal go farther>

[meager ginkgo]

You’d be using the system as basically just APs. It’s just cheaper usually then buying dedicated AP devices (and easier for the common user)

[crystal viper]

like if i want signal upstairs

[meager ginkgo]

It uses the coax cable already in the wall to carry the signal from unit to unit

[crystal viper]

oh you you are saying to use coax cables and plug in via ethernet?

im confused

[meager ginkgo]

MoCa Adapters just convert Coax to Ethernet essentially in easy terms

[crystal viper]

second issue now is that my computer doesnt have ethernet

[meager ginkgo]

First MoCA adapter gets installed by your router and connects to a coax jack on the wall, then Ethernet into the router. The other one gets installed by the other “mesh” unit and converts the coax to Ethernet so the other unit has a wired Ethernet connection.

[crystal viper]

its a dell xps 9530 (2023)

i would need a usb c- ethernet

[meager ginkgo]

That’s fine, they’re usually around only $10

[crystal viper]

i have 3 ports bro

all usb-c

[meager ginkgo]

You don’t have to switch completely to Ethernet, I’m just saying make sure the WiFi system is using Ethernet

[crystal viper]

one is already used for power
second is usbc- displayport
third is their default hdmi and 1 usb-a adapter

[meager ginkgo]

Typically a mesh system uses wireless signals between units to “extend” the connection. I’m suggesting that you use MoCA adapters between units instead so the signal doesn’t deteriorate and is more reliable.

[crystal viper]

wait let me send a photo of this cursed shit

@meager ginkgo

Yes it’s an adapter plugged into an adapter

[meager ginkgo]

Not sure why that’s really relevant?

[crystal viper]

Point is I don’t have many ports

Therefore I can’t use Ethernet

[meager ginkgo]

You don’t need to use Ethernet on your laptop like I already said lol

[crystal viper]

Wait what then what do I need on the coax thingy

[meager ginkgo]

.

Reread from here

[crystal viper]

So MoCA adapters work like a cheap mesh?

[meager ginkgo]

They just allow you to get an Ethernet connection from Coax

it’s not really a mesh

[crystal viper]

Oh

Ok so I guess just stick to getting a router first @meager ginkgo

Let’s go step by step

Let me find a good one

[meager ginkgo]

https://a.co/d/8iOvYsy

[crystal viper]

read my mind

ok just use that and call it a day

i might need 3

[meager ginkgo]

You can try it, but I’d still recommend using MoCA adapters in addition

[crystal viper]

yea thats the plan

god this is gonna add up

2 adapters (already have 1) + 2 ethernet cables (already have 1) + the mesh

[meager ginkgo]

Grab the adapters from that eBay link I sent earlier

they’re way overpriced on Amazon

[crystal viper]

i dont trust ebay

i would rather pay more on amazon

[meager ginkgo]

You’ll be paying $120+ for the same thing on Amazon

[crystal viper]

bad experience with ebay

[meager ginkgo]

You do you lol

[crystal viper]

bet

[meager ginkgo]

I’ve had people buy that exact listing before and had no issues though lol

[crystal viper]

K

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo Got the homelab for the apartment down to 70W

[stuck grove]

ebay has really good buyer protection policies

its exceedingly rare that you get scammed, and if you do, you just get a refund from ebay

[crystal viper]

Yea but it’s whatever my parent say @stuck grove

[clear igloo]

Up the power!!!!

[silent flax]

from aliexpress you can get this for like 18 euros

[lone crane]

yeah i should

[lone crane]

2.5 gig networking?

a usb one is like 25$ and that is only the 2.5gig port

[silent flax]

that is a hub, card reader, can pass through USB-PD (power input into that rear C port), audio, HDMI and 2.5g ethernet, yes

[silent flax]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005612524605.htm ( IDPW-9P25R-GY is what i bought)

[lone crane]

o no wait the old one i was looking at without extra stuff i maybe confused NOK and USD i dono but its more like 8$ for dat

anyways yeah might get that

[rocky badge]

Nah I like it

@clear igloo UPS lasts like 2 and a half hours. No heat. No noise

[clear igloo]

Nice!

I assume all the power draw happens back home? lol

[rocky badge]

Dell OptiPlex micro running proxmox with Debian PowerDNS recursor, home assistant, and a Minecraft server

Yeah truenas box and dell epyc server at parents place

That stuff consumes like 350W and loud

[clear igloo]

hehe, nice

[rocky badge]

Truenas box is fully contained

It runs its own plex with GPU and Nextcloud with a cloudflared tunnel container

No external server needed to serve those services

So realistically truenas at parents can be on a gigabit port

But I’ll probably put it on a 10G in case I wanna use it as backup storage for the proxmox nodes

[clear igloo]

nice, very well setup indeed

[crystal viper]

I need more than 2 usb a

I don’t even need hdmi

Like a mix of usb c and usb a

[silent flax]

well there are other types too. But in general with USB-PD you get one upstream USB-C and then via hub two USB-A and one USB-C

[crystal viper]

I don’t need sd either

[crystal viper]

I wish I had like 4 usb a and 2 usb c

Nothing else

Current setup works fine tho

[silent flax]

only gigabit tho

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008722805361.html

nevermind, only 100 mbit

but if you need USB-PD, it is very limiting

without USB-PD, you can get stupid stuff like

[crystal viper]

Thx

[lofty hawk]

I had PON combined router with Ipoe connection. but I switched to a Tp Link XZ000G7 and ER605, Unable to configure settings help.

[silent flax]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006375638399.html not even expensive

[opal pagoda]

what do you mean "unable to configure settings"

you aren't able to access router UI?

[lofty hawk]

I don't know how

[lofty hawk]

Wan can ping google 8.8.8.8 but I cannot access the internet through lan

[opal pagoda]

have you gone through quick setup?

[lofty hawk]

Yes I did

[opal pagoda]

what does it say in network/lan

[lofty hawk]

@opal pagoda but I can access webui and ping on the wan profile in settings diagnostic

[lofty hawk]

Give me one min

@opal pagoda

[opal pagoda]

yea this is normal behaviour

there is no device with ip of 1.1.1.1 connected to that interface

[lofty hawk]

But google.com isn't working on LAN how to get internet out of the device to other wifi routers

[opal pagoda]

are you able to ping 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8 from device connected to lan?

please run a "nslookup google.com"
do you get any output?

smells like misconfigured dns

[lofty hawk]

I am currently in a different space and do not have access to it RN

Just guide me on how to share internet over lan?

[peak cloak]

That's not really how it works

I can show you my settings in a bit

[lofty hawk]

Please can you make a step by step guide?

[peak cloak]

no, don't have the time. It's just kinda general networking knowledge

@lofty hawk did you use the quick setup?

[elder hazel]

My 8TB spinning rust drives just hit 6years lol

[silent flax]

counts as brand new disks... look at mine 😄

[hazy peak]

I am cooked

This is physikal issue, isn‘t it?

On the ssd

[lone crane]

intel NUC NASing

[elder hazel]

Damn son

[thorny osprey]

how do I turn on sqm cake only for upload?
and keep download speeds with hardware offloading?

[pseudo blade]

What Router OS?

[thorny osprey]

openwrt

[pseudo blade]

I'd look for you but I only know the generic stuff and their wiki insists that I am a bot

[thorny osprey]

their wiki for sqm has no tuto for my specifdic question ;-;

[pseudo blade]

You don't need a tutorial lol

You need to know how their interfaces represent queue targeting

[thorny osprey]

no idea wat dat means

[silent flax]

i got only 1.24TB data on that 6TB WD Red, 140GB of that are temporary files from transcoding, 880GB of that is File History/Time Machine. So i could easily replace it with a 1TB SSD for temporary stuff and move the File History/Time Machine elsewhere

[elder hazel]

My friend has a old wd red 4tb from me and last time we checked it had like 700 pending sectors xD

[safe orbit]

Hi, I'm trying to setup a NAS (or probably host https://immich.app/) but my internet provider does not provide reserved IP so I'm thinking to use either Ngrok or route my traffic through a VPS using ssh tunnel.
Which one should I go with? Are there any other options which I'm not able to think of?

[silent flax]

this one is mostly perfect, it only has few Ultra DMA CRC errors from cable issues

[silent flax]

1. if you only want it for yourself, you could consider setting up Tailscale instead to allow access to that NAS from elsewhere
2. if you need public access, i personally used VPS - the method of connecting that VPS to your NAS is then your choice. Either also Tailscale, or you could set up the SSH tunnel from your NAS to the VPS and port forward the required hosts/ports

[honest plover]

I was gonna get the TP-Link Deco M4 2 pack which is 74.99 and a cat6 cable, but is this better than the m4? it's cheaper by a tad https://orders.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=1542389

I didnt have a set budget but also just need better internet from upstairs to middle floor as it's so bad that I cant even watch tv in stable 1080p so want to be able to watch in 4k.

My powerline speeds on my pc in the living room are 42 download, 42 upload (which is the same room I want better speeds for my TV)

[safe orbit]

I'll see what's tailscale. I mainly need it for friends & family

[silent flax]

free Taiscale is limited to 3 users/100 devices. I use it for myself (connecting to my home network from away from my own devices), so not an issue there. You can still combine it with VPS tho. VPS being the "public access", and then you use tailscale for both your personal access and to let the VPS connect to the required server.

In the end, both options are valid, i actually use both

i have some publicly accessible servers tuneled to VPS via SSH, and i use Tailscale to access everything else

[peak cloak]

I like the additional security of having it behind a vpn

[frigid night]

hi, everyone iam going to build a network and nas for my dads business. Because my dad is 60 year old he wants "extra nas security" so I invented this solution: I would use TP-Link TL-SG1016DE and some router. I would make 2 vlans "nas" and "main" with tunnel only for samba. I am attaching a diagram.

is it a good idea?

[crystal viper]

saw this on reddit 😂

yes this is an actual restroom

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1l4sxox/i_just_finally_upgraded_my_network_how_did_i_do/

the lmgstaff would love this post

wan show worthy

[honest plover]

😭

[peak cloak]

yeah that can work

don't even need to use vlans

just need two subnets

[crystal viper]

didnt even notice that 🤣

[opal pagoda]

replace "router" with pc running opnsense and it is good

or some other firewall

[peak cloak]

if it's a good enough router it's fine

[opal pagoda]

yea, just dont expect isp provided router to do it

it has to atleast support acl

[ashen plover]

upgraded to 10g, what services support that speed? sad steam is limited by my cpu because of decompression

[stuck grove]

basically nothing supports that to a single client

also i’m so jealous

[peak cloak]

torrent

[ashen plover]

ordered 2.5g because that was supposedly the max speed, but this was what i got. can´t complain

btw any of you guys experiencing, ipv6 not working after 10min, then reseting internet connection fixes it for about 10min again... (running gt-be98 pro with asus-merlin). should have gone with something else i can see now, in the future, i´ll prob use this router just as an ap, and a separate system for routing and a 100g switch. with 25g 50g 100g in the horizon.

https://www.nokia.com/newsroom/nokia-and-elisa-become-first-in-europe-to-trial-100g-pon-over-live-fiber-broadband-network/

[stuck grove]

i don’t use ipv6 ever

only ever ipv4

[ashen plover]

my isp offers 10 Gbit, IPv6, BGP, static IP-adresse, etc, whatever you want, just request it

[stuck grove]

i personally don’t like ISP provided routers

i’d much rather use my own and have all the control i want

i ditched my spectrum provided router for a UDM SE a while back and it’s been great

[topaz patrol]

IPv6 is for povvos who can’t afford v4 space

[twin pier]

:/

[topaz patrol]

Can't hide from the truth! :p

[twin pier]

It seems you are able to

[frosty stone]

"ipv6 will be the future"
CGnat suddenly exists

[topaz patrol]

IPv6 should be illegal

Trump needs to sign an executive order that prevents US companies from using IPv6

[native seal]

I know I know, switch goes to FE 0/1, not whatever I did

either way, rack was free, router was free, switch was £35
just need some AP's and an NVR for my cctv and we golden

rest of this rack is going to be for UPS's and pilontech batteries

gon do the ol' charge overnight and don't draw from grid at day thing

I yoinked a broken PV inverter too lol

fixing that up soon

[topaz patrol]

Where are you that electricity is still cheaper at night?

[pseudo blade]

NSW still does despite it making no sense whatsoever

Peak pricing from 2PM, meanwhile wholesale pricing for energy is negative

[topaz patrol]

Really?

Crazy

Especially when FiT goes to basically zero or negative

[pseudo blade]

Yep

I imagine it's because they'd prefer to make more money from times where people are more likely to have no choice but to use power

After all there's no particular reason an infrastructure monopoly's supply costs need to follow demand costs if supply is cheaper

[jolly coral]

rate my home setup

[pseudo blade]

Probably a few too many ports for just your house lol

Got FTTP today, so happy about that