networking

[glacial linden]

Oh I see... which router do you have? I've never seen a UI like that before

[rocky badge]

Fortigate 40F

https://www.avfirewalls.com/FortiGate-40F.asp
https://www.fortinet.com/content/dam/fortinet/assets/data-sheets/fortigate-fortiwifi-40f-series.pdf

[raven falcon]

ive been looking at motherboards, and i havent found any that aren't limited to 1Gbps ethernet. Does this mean that you're better off using WiFi instead? I've seen some boards with 2.4Gbps wireless

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll @clear igloo i love watching AP status LEDs change from green to blue when walking underneath them lol

[pseudo blade]

Generally no, and even if you didn't misread 2.4ghz as 2.4gbps it's a theoretical speed requiring uncontested frequency, diminished greatly and rapidly by distance.

[raven falcon]

~2400Mbps

[pseudo blade]

Namely 160mhz Wifi6 with 2 spatial streams

AKA not actually going to happen

[raven falcon]

interesting, thank yu~

[clear igloo]

And when he walked underneath the AP and checked, it was ALREADY BLUE!!!!!

[sudden kayak]

just to clarify further even though meagus got it right - 2.4Ghz is the band it uses for the wifi, unrelated to the theoretical (let alone real world) speed you'll get. the most you'll realistically get on wifi is maybe 500Mbps if you have a higher end AP, unless you get into super fancy stuff with wifi 6E. and no matter how high end, the latency on wifi will always be worse than on ethernet which matters much more for many things (gaming included)

also I'm not sure where you're looking but there are many motherboards now with 2.5GbE or even 5/10G Ethernet if you look at fancy gaming motherboards

sorry for link gore but here's a direct link to a pcpartpicker search for mobos with better than GbE https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c0=2x10000-2x1000,2x10000-1x1000,2x10000,1x10000-1x2500,1x10000-2x1000,1x10000-1x1000,1x10000,1x5000-1x1000,2x2500,1x2500-2x1000,1x2500-1x1000,1x2500

[full monolith]

i live in germany and the best provider i get here is vodafone with 1gbps cable internet. i have 2 lines with a older wifi ac router and a new one with wifi6. before i even tested the wifi from these routers i used 2 tc4400 modems and unifi. now i sold all my unifi stuff and the first time testing the wifi of both routers was kinda weird... the routers itself are littearly garbage but the wifi 6 one kinda blew my mind after giving me 900mbits over wifi6 2x2 160mhz
the older one with wifi ac gives only 550-630mbits

Until i get new gear for a whole new network i need to use these but running only 5ghz on the wifi6 model and 2.4 on the older one is working fine because those shitboxes littearly die with like 20 clients

Any ideas on what hardware i could use for my new network? i will still use my tc4400 modems but im not sure what i want to use behind that

[pseudo blade]

I guess to answer that I'd have to ask why you sold your Unifi gear?

Also are you're just using this for home use? what kind of coverage you need with WiFi, do you need wired networking...

If you're happy with your Wifi 6 router why buy new stuff I guess

If the routers are garbage what would make them not garbage? features etc.

[full monolith]

I sold my unifi gear because it had to many bugs and software issues... sometimes one or 2 accesspoints of 5 total just randomly gave only 9.5mbits upload speed and the udm pro just has so many issues that made me ragequit ubiquiti. I need to cover around 120m² with all stone walls. i prob get a xiaomi ax6000 and use it together with a modem. The ISP Router is just missing usefull stuff. You cant even change dns servers or just do basic network configuration. the only thing you can change is the wifi settings thats basiclly it it doesnt even have a dect station build in so i need to use a seperate dect station for phones.
I wouldnt need that but i live with my mom and she still uses nromal telephone instead using her smartphone for all that...
I dont really need wired lan at all because my cable connection is in my room.
Before i had the unifi gear i used a fritzbox 6600 and that was pretty fine tho.
Im not sure if i just get the latest fritzbox cable and call it a day lol

[pseudo blade]

Hm, ok

Why 5 access points for that small of a space?

If you weren't looking for full gigabit over WiFi I'd point you to the hAP AX2, but it's only 80mhz 2x2 and it seems you're able to benefit from 160mhz 2x2 based on that download speed

There is apparently two Xiaomi routers called the ax6000 and they're completely different, the Redmi and Mi

Go figure

[lime girder]

Will a ethernet connection help my speeds even if it’s decent without?

[pseudo blade]

It will if your internet is faster than your current speeds over WiFi

It may also improve your latency if that's something you care about

[lime girder]

Even if it’s through an amplifier?

[pseudo blade]

Your question doesn't make much sense

If you plug directly into your router and test, do you get better results worth persuing?

That's your answer

[unborn sun]

Hey- Is it normal for my parents to pay for gigabit internet and only top out at 300mbps up and down? I am on a wired connection so no wifi bottlenecks...

[pseudo blade]

It isn't

[lime girder]

Ok thanks

[unborn sun]

hmm

[pseudo blade]

I would be very disappointed if I only got 300mbps and was paying for gigabit

Is the speed very consistent, regardless of the time of day?

[unborn sun]

yes

lowest ive gotten in this config was ~290

[pseudo blade]

Probably either ISP shaping or your router's not cutting it

[unborn sun]

ive tried bypassing the router before when they werent home and still topped out

[pseudo blade]

Or you've left a VPN on - had a guy who did that recently and was wondering why his speeds sucked

[unborn sun]

then again it was a year ago

[unborn sun]

my proton is inactive atm

[clear igloo]

What kind of internet? Coax? Fiber?

[unborn sun]

Fios

[pseudo blade]

Sure it's not just the 300mbps plan? they have one

[clear igloo]

Was just about to say that

[unborn sun]

I hope it is cuz otherwise they are getting ripped off

rn we have this as a router-
https://www.amazon.com/Verizon-Fios-Updated-Version-Internet/dp/B08VMYKZFY

[peak cloak]

Verizon is usually pretty good

[full monolith]

I used lower power and lan connection to get better speeds

Because of the stone walls i only get like 300-500mbits after 2 walls

Or not even 300 sometimes

Depends on how thick the wall is

[pseudo blade]

Yeah it's kinda hard to beat that speed with consumer devices

900mbps is pretty much perfect performance out of 2x2 WiFi 6, literally anything not being perfect and it'll slow down

And 4x4 is rare in consumer devices

If it's worth it to you, get a WiFi 6/6e AP for each room

...Or just plug in when you need more than 500mbps

[steep stirrup]

If a ISP was throttling my internet would it reflect on torrenting speeds?

[rocky badge]

lmao

[snow elk]

That's... Pterodactyl DMS

Oh

[rocky badge]

he didn't ask about pterodactyl

[snow elk]

Wait wrong image sorry lol

[rocky badge]

he replied to a screenshot fro my router

[snow elk]

Is that opnsense?

[peak cloak]

.

[snow elk]

Those things do ips at 1gig?

Hold on lemme read it

[frank terrace]

For anyone that uses process explorer/hacker, is it normal to look in the network tab and see a bunch of remote address: "kubernetes docker internal" (spaces are dots) remote address in the "time wait" state? It's a bit weird and idk if I'm accidentally running a vm or something with docker or if my system has been compromised? whenever I launch or close an application it seems to change to something like "FIN wait 2" and "close wait" and a bunch of them appear

(Also sorry if this isn't supposed to be here)

Just noticed that discord had one of those too so it might be a normal thing, but just in case

Forgot to say I'm on a windows 10 machine, that's probably important (and theres also a sleep related issue when plugged in that I already have in tech-support, could maybe be related to this network activity?)

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak @clear igloo Know iptables? Trying to get a VPS to route public IP -> zerotier private IP

[peak cloak]

barely

ik vyos rule syntax

but it should be a dnat and masq rule

[rocky badge]

hmm

[bold drum]

No more crawling around in fiberglass!

[ruby bramble]

I saw that

[ruby bramble]

Show us your theatre

Also u need a bigger switch

[bold drum]

I know but I wanted multigig for the few things actually hooked up.

Full fat 10 gig switches are still overpriced even by enterprise standards. Forget consumer or used.

[ruby bramble]

Show us your theatre and office lmao

Also what is middle 1

[glacial linden]

Tried using both openvpn and wireguard for full tunnel to my VPS as a VPN, both configured to use one of the two 1Gbps VNICs, download speeds are nice on my 100Mbps home network (getting 90 Mbps on both) but upload speeds are much slower - 20Mbps Up on wireguard, 27Mbps Up on openvpn with speedtest (to the same speedtest location too).

Any idea why uploads are this slow?

I have samba working on the VPS which I connect to using zerotier (encrypted vpn tunnel over port 9993) and uploading files there, I get near full 100Mbps speed (12.3 MB/s). Same 100Mbps upload speed if I connect to samba over wireguard too, but in speedtest it's slow

[full monolith]

upload is bullshit but i dont need much upload so im ok with it

sadly theres not more upload pssoible on my line so i need to wait untill they upgrade hardware

[meager ginkgo]

What ISP is this

[torpid creek]

i forgot to buy a motherboard with wifi and im on a tp link will getting super-wifi fix it?

[meager ginkgo]

what’s super-WiFi?

You need a WiFi card for your pc

[torpid creek]

supeer wifi

[meager ginkgo]

?

I’ve never heard of super WiFi. Haha

[torpid creek]

its baisiclly a mini router in ur room

[meager ginkgo]

just get a WiFi card.

AX210 is what you want for a WiFi card

[peak cloak]

an Access Point???

[torpid creek]

i got it built by a company and if i open my pc my warrenty is gone

[meager ginkgo]

Think it may be this..

[peak cloak]

idk, I also see this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Wi-Fi

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah I saw that too. Super confusing lol

[peak cloak]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/spectrum-microsoft-super-wifi-overview.pdf

[full monolith]

i live in germany and this is Vodafone cable internet

[meager ginkgo]

Interesting

[peak cloak]

at that point just allocate more channels to upload

I'd rather have like 1000/500 than 2000/50

[meager ginkgo]

I thought I was looking at DOCSIS 4.0 at first lmao

then I saw the “low” upload

[torpid creek]

is there anyway that i can get less than 200 ping without opening my computer or ethernet?

[full monolith]

its still 3.1

[meager ginkgo]

200 ping is high. Sounds like you have a weak signal

[full monolith]

i only have that high download because i know someone really good working at vodafone so he littearly was able to get me near to 2gbps but the upload will prob be the same untill they change shit in their whole network

they wanted to go for 100mbps uppload this year already but yea

[torpid creek]

im on a tp-link

[full monolith]

germany and internet is a joke by itself

[meager ginkgo]

That’s just a brand.. doesn’t help much.

TP-Link makes thousands of models

[meager ginkgo]

Come to the US 🙂

[full monolith]

nah man

[meager ginkgo]

900mbps down and 20 up

[full monolith]

us is cool for a few weeks but i would never move there lol

[cobalt iris]

420 69 or bust

[meager ginkgo]

I think only like 10% have fiber here

[peak cloak]

comcast?

[meager ginkgo]

yeah, not my connection though

[torpid creek]

This one

[meager ginkgo]

I’m one of the lucky few with multi gig fiber in my area

[peak cloak]

verizon fios is honestly probably the best big ISP here

[meager ginkgo]

We still can’t tell what it is. Is there a model?

[full monolith]

here there are local isps that do fiber but also not for everyone

[cobalt iris]

Circa 2004

[full monolith]

my city is like 40% fiber and only 200mbps or less over fiber

[torpid creek]

my peak is 25,455

[meager ginkgo]

We have AT&T Fiber.. the reliability and speed is awesome. But having to use their equipment is total BS

[carmine moss]

well using one of those usb stucks is never really good for wifi

[torpid creek]

threw the box away

[peak cloak]

I mean I have to use verizon's ONT, but other that I can just plug my equipment in without any bridge bs

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah. We have to use one of their BGW gateways w/ an external ONT or a BGW320 with integrated ONT

I still have a G010 Nokia ONT with a BGW210

[carmine moss]

also where is the router in your place if it's one or two rooms away yeah makes it really bad connection and if's the a box that is like 5+years old and came from the isp it's for sure bad

[torpid creek]

?

[full monolith]

thats the only contract with fiber here... its so expensive that you littearly can get gigabit from vodafone for only 40€ instead

[cobalt iris]

That's just how some work. They provide a switch that they program on their end.

[peak cloak]

I'm looking for a new router tho, the ER-X struggles sometimes

[meager ginkgo]

AT&T does dumb authentication on their gateways so you can’t directly plug your own router into the ONT

[meager ginkgo]

Budget?

[full monolith]

get a xiaomi ax6000

[peak cloak]

somewhat, like 100ish

[full monolith]

its a fukin monster

[peak cloak]

nah, one without wifi

[meager ginkgo]

I’m assuming you don’t need built in WiFi

[full monolith]

oh ok

[peak cloak]

yeah no, just route + NAT

[meager ginkgo]

Yeah.. ok.

[peak cloak]

I already have wifi infa setup

[full monolith]

what about a mikrotik routerboard

[meager ginkgo]

I have an ER605 Omada router right now and it handles my gig fiber fine. I’m gonna be upgrading to a UDM Pro soon though.

[peak cloak]

I was looking a mtik, but I need something is more noob friendly

[full monolith]

i have one but i dont use it. it has to many software bugs

[peak cloak]

I was looking at that one

[meager ginkgo]

Were you using the controller or standalone?

[full monolith]

udm pro and 5 aps

[cobalt iris]

Comcast fiber comes with a switch with a 1g port enabled for the nighthawk router and a 10g port for the rest of your internet. Each have a static ip

[peak cloak]

Already using omada APs

[meager ginkgo]

Omada is coming out with a rackmount router soon. Probably out of your budget though

[peak cloak]

how's the ipv6 support?

[peak cloak]

if it's like 200ish I could still maybe justify it

[meager ginkgo]

I haven’t properly configured it. But I know it works with the “ghetto” setup I have it with right now lol

[full monolith]

or just save up a bit and get smth nice later

[peak cloak]

well this is for parents mainly now, so I need something that works well, but still has advanced features like vlans

[meager ginkgo]

Almost double

[peak cloak]

ah yeah, I don't need 10 gig tho

[full monolith]

its good for future tho

[meager ginkgo]

Omada feels unpolished to me.

That’s the main reason I want to switch completely to UniFi. I already have U6-Pros

[peak cloak]

ehh, I doubt I will need 10gig anytime soon or ever in that house

[peak cloak]

unifi hardware seems pretty good, I just don't like the software

[full monolith]

yea

the hardware is good but the software is hell

[meager ginkgo]

I prefer the software lol. Omada software feels very.. clunky

[peak cloak]

I like being able to setup APs standalone for example

[full monolith]

unifi is clean etc but with the bugs it has its just not better

[meager ginkgo]

I’m pretty sure UniFi can do this now with the mobile app. No web UI though

[peak cloak]

exactly, I don't want a mobile app...

[meager ginkgo]

I haven’t experienced any bugs over 4 years. And I have mine on auto update 😂

[peak cloak]

maybe my boss has some sonicwalls they want to get rid of

[full monolith]

bro i have so many issues lmao it doesnt even saves the meshing settings i do to each ap

[peak cloak]

now that they are moving to sophos

[full monolith]

i want to change it to only connect to other aps or just nothing and it wont save it

[meager ginkgo]

weird. Some people have 0 issues with UniFi then others have tons I’ve found.

[full monolith]

or it just fucks up the whole network and dies

and its not my fault for doing wrong configs or so

[meager ginkgo]

What is your controller on?

[full monolith]

its like working fine 80% of the time and then when its the worst time to fail

it fails

i had to reset teh whole thing like 3 times after it broke down by itself

[peak cloak]

I really want just a updated er-x

I can do advanced things in cli, and then basic things can be done in the gui

even advanced things can be done in the config tree gui, but at that point I find cli faster

[full monolith]

my setup is littearly the most basic ever right now after selling all my unifi stuff... still need to find a better replacement

but i think ill go more simple this time

[meager ginkgo]

I want to try the FS WiFi gear

[full monolith]

dude im selling my udm pro for 370 and someone littearly just said he pays me 340 because he would get it new for like 20€ more

its not like you can even get a udm pro for less then 430 new here atm

even at europe store its nearly 460 rn

wait im dumb

nvm forget what i said my brain wont work

[waxen saddle]

Place me in the camp of zero-issues with UniFi for 5+ years. The only issues I’ve had were due to unscheduled power outages and my own tinkering. Nothing that can be chalked up to Ubiquiti. I have also never had a custom config and I subscribe to stable updates.

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak I hate iptables

[peak cloak]

Who doesn't...

[waxen scroll]

I told him about connection marking and now his head hurts

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo I once made a linux router that load balanced between 4 or so default gateways

without marking it would blow up

[clear igloo]

load balancing go brrrrr

[waxen scroll]

@peak cloak have you marked in iptables before?

[peak cloak]

If you count copy and pasting

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo I just realized that blob got more advice from me in 1hr than this whole chat in years

should have got paid 😐

[clear igloo]

rip

[bold drum]

Middle bedroom.

[bold drum]

It's been upgraded and I don't have a recent photo. No more ceiling wires.

@ruby bramble

[cobalt iris]

I has those lamps

[rocky badge]

lmao

[cobalt iris]

blob tech tips

[bold drum]

I'm trying to remember what that is. External SATA adapter IIRC.

[cobalt iris]

I'm referring to sitting on the floor

[bold drum]

Oh. So? No air intake down there.

[cobalt iris]

https://tenor.com/view/panicking-gif-22262539

[bold drum]

Never understood that mindset. It's quiet and out of the way. More desk space

[cobalt iris]

Idk can pickup a little more dust. I have my psu intake and have it raise on wheels lol

[bold drum]

Get better air filters

MERV 10 forever

[cobalt iris]

Air filters are fine. Just don't wanna clean em as often. Mines only raises by like 4 inches lol

I'll straighten it up better one day lol

btw 90° coax adapter makes cable management so much easier

[bold drum]

I need me some runners

[cobalt iris]

I also bought these for managing the cables inside the closet better and on the rack

Easier to add or adjust cables than the other ones

That bottom pic shows it as a strap for some reason but it's a clip

Oh nvm has 10 ties

[meager ginkgo]

Is there a light in this closet.. if there is you can buy a combo outlet/switch and have power in there

[cobalt iris]

Nope

[meager ginkgo]

bummer.

[radiant fable]

is there a way to make a router be the same as the modem so the router is just an lan/wifi extender?

[pseudo blade]

Make a router be the same as the modem so the router is just a lan/wifi extender Generally these two are mutually exclusive, so I'm going to skip the first part of your request and answer the second. Will you have ethernet where the second router will go, or should it connect to your existing router?

[radiant fable]

there will be an ethernet cable to the router

[pseudo blade]

Plug the "extending" router's LAN ports into your computer directly, navigate to its config page, set it's IP to a static address in the range of your main router and prevent your main router from assigning it via DHCP. Disable DHCP on the "extending" router. Then connect the cable from the first router's LAN ports directly to the "extending" router's LAN ports.

So if your main router's 192.168.0.1/24, make router 2's IP 192.168.0.2/24 or something, and reserve that address or resize the DHCP pool on your main router to exclude it

If your routers are openwrt/mikrotik/otherwise actually good you can do it better, but the above works for consumer stuff lacking that flexibility

[topaz smelt]

Alright I’m sure this is a common question, what’s the best Modem/Router for under $200? I’ll be in an apartment so I’m sure that’ll influence the signal.

Trying to pick something up from MicroCenter or Best Buy before Saturday.

I found this, open box for $217.

[faint bronze]

Router + modem?

[topaz smelt]

Yes

[faint bronze]

DOCSIS modems are very dependent on who you have providing the internet.

I looked into why you can not just buy a box and use it, and found that it is because the internet providers need to use keys and they will not load their keys onto your box unless it is one of the ones they allow you to use. This sounds like the crypto they are using is symmetric. (Did not yet read the spec)

[empty tendon]

i wouldnt be surprised if the modem i have is under 200usd these days, amazon has a openbox of it for 90 usd

[grand stratus]

are we expecting the 4 or 5 port 2.5Gbit switches to be expensive forever? or can we expect them to drop down to the 1gbit switch prices within a reasonable amount of time?

[faint bronze]

It will fall just not as fast as gbe since commercial companies are selling used hardware for gbe and they are not buying 2.5gbe as fast, so there will be a smaller used market.

[carmine moss]

commercial companies rather buy 10gigabit over 2.5 also

[neat quarry]

Anybody got experience setting up a reverse proxy for docker services?

[sudden kayak]

not really a good deal, get a separate modem & something w/ wifi 6

[sudden kayak]

it has to be docsis compliant, but i'm not sure there are actually any modern docsis modem models that aren't approved by your average cable company anyway

and yeah it does require your modem to be authorized - pretty sure it's certificate based PKI behind the scenes

as in, when the modem is manufactured and firmware is flashed, it gets a client cert verifying its exact MAC address - hence why to set up a COAM modem, you just call and tell them the MAC and they provision it

not my department though so i'm fuzzy on the details

[topaz smelt]

I see where you’re at but I don’t have any devices that are 6 compatible yet, are there any that are reasonable at the moment or would I be paying a premium since it’s new?

[sudden kayak]

i mean it's been out for 2+ years so you're probably not paying a premium for it as much as they're discounting older wifi 5 stuff. $217 for that after the open box discount and considering it's a bit older is still pretty steep...

if you don't have anything with wifi 6 and aren't likely to upgrade in the next year or two, a wifi 5 router could be a good option, especially if you can find a good deal on it (like under $150) paired with a decent separate modem

my hot take is that docsis 3.1 is mostly pointless rn except for future proofing. docsis 3.0 is fast enough that most modems are still faster than your cable plan, and by the time we get above the performance ceiling of docsis 3.0, it'll be time for docsis 4.0 anyway

what cable provider & plan are you looking at? could help figure out what's worth it and what's overkill if you're ok sharing

[topaz smelt]

I definitely thought it was newer than that.

I’m kinda stuck with using Spectrum, the apartment I’m in is new construction and they aren’t letting anyone else run lines because they’ve got individual representatives for each property location on a contract or some dumb shit

I’ve got it scheduled for them to turn on the gig internet as soon as the building is right.

[sudden kayak]

yeah unfortunately MDUs tend to be stuck with one provider. im not sure what speeds they actually provision for their gigabit plan but I'd guess it's not worth going above gigabit ethernet (so the max real world speed you'll get is ~940Mbps)

[cobalt iris]

I get up to 1400 on my 1200 plan from Comcast

[thick minnow]

anyone know how lan pc's work??

like i get the part until you keep it in the server room

but would'nt you need to connect it to your monitor somehow

and im not really to fond of a single long cable

[peak cloak]

thin client

[thick minnow]

hmm

out of curiosity how do things like input latency and all perform when using thin clients

[peak cloak]

depends on the network quality. I actually use Azure VD for school rn, and it works pretty well for CAD and such

[thick minnow]

hmm

[peak cloak]

and I can remote into my PC anywhere on campus, and it's pretty good. Microsoft's RDP protocol is pretty good

[thick minnow]

im personally really interested in things like homelabs

and the idea of a quiet and cool room is nice so im doing some research

[peak cloak]

problem I find is needing local access with USB devices and stuff

[thick minnow]

oh that is a problem...

[peak cloak]

I mean you can do USB share, which works for most people

but like for dev and tinkering it can cause headaches

[thick minnow]

i use the logitech's g stuff and im wondreing if it'd get any problems with it

since that would mean my dongle's would be in another room

[peak cloak]

no you would connect them to the thin client

and then that would share it over the network

[thick minnow]

hmm

[peak cloak]

that is if you want to do it the network way, there are other ways to connect peripherals long distance

I just assumed that since it's #networking

[neat quarry]

Like Linus's USB over fiber dock and optical display cable

(both of which are expensive af)

I'll probably mess around with HDMI over Ethernet and USB (2.0) over Ethernet just to see how it'll be, installing Ethernet around the house over the weekend, 2 drops for each plate

[peak cloak]

keep in mind over ethernet and over IP are different

[thick minnow]

i mean as long as it performs as well as if it was right next to me i think id be happy

[blazing karma]

Just curious about something that’s related to Linus’s new vid

So I’ve been planning an OPNSense/pfSense build slowly to replace my ISP provided TP-Link router, and I plan to run it under proxmox with pcie passthrough of some network cards

I want to do 10GB to LAN, which in general costs about 60-80$ ish for a dual 10gbe card

But I also plan to add more network ports (1gb/2.5gb/10gb mixed) to make it a makeshift network switch cause 10gbe switches are really pricy, is that a feasible option compared to a dedicated 10gbe switch? (Something like the Flex XG 4 port)

I heard from multiple places that a cpu can’t get to the same level as a asic(? I forgot what’s it called) that is dedicated to just take on the task of a network switch

For my fibre box I plan to abolish that all together to do a SFP ONU GPON module that basically emulates fibre boxes to cut one more device from my chain of network devices, which I can technically just passthrough straight to my OPNSense/pfSense VM

[vital pilot]

Guys, am thinking about using my old PC as a storage server (since it has 2TB of HDD storage just lying around and my laptop doesnt have another slot for any SSD/HDD). I watched "Your Old PC is Your New Server - LTT" on YT and they used Pulseway and Plex.
Now, do I need to buy Pulseway for this 'coz google says you can get a 14 day free trial only?
Or is there any other remote access application I can use?

[clear igloo]

Building a router is easy and pretty simple, trying to use a CPU as a network switch is a bad idea because a switch ASIC is much faster, lower latency, and higher throughput all around. It's possible with a beefy CPU but doing 10g or more is definitely going to hurt if you can even get close to that level of throughput

[peak cloak]

You can't always do that

Yes gpon is technically a standard but not as much a dociss

You can't just use a gpon module and expect it to work

Some ISPs do provide a sfp module on request which will work but majority won't

[sudden kayak]

technically it should be provisioned to 1500, if your router can handle it... what i meant was that i don't know what spectrum actually provisions for their gig plan, but it's probably not a big enough jump over GbE speed to be worth spending a bunch extra for 2.5GbE given he's on a budget

[sudden kayak]

pulseway is kinda dumb, they probably just sponsored the video. just set it up as a regular Linux server and you don't need any extra paid software

[sleek garnet]

Can y’all confirm if this is an SC connector? Just moved to a place with fiber (yay!) but I’m not terribly familiar with fiber cabling. I’d like to relocate the AT&T gateway elsewhere in the apartment but I need a longer fiber to do that cable. I believe this is a multi-mode patch cable as well? Just not 100%.

[meager ginkgo]

It’s a singlemode SC connector

[sleek garnet]

Ty!

[clear igloo]

To be clear it's a single mode APC connector/cable

You specifically need APC cabling as well not UPC

[vital pilot]

Can I use windows RDC on linux (ubuntu)

[waxen saddle]

TeamViewer (free for personal), VNC, etc…

[peak cloak]

you can also just ssh in if not running a GUI

also there are webuis such as like https://cockpit-project.org/

[vital pilot]

I see

Thanks!! @sudden kayak @waxen saddle @peak cloak

[blazing karma]

So a dedicated switch like the Flex XG will be the feasible choice?

[blazing karma]

There’s already been research on my specific ISP on how to emulate the fibre boxes

And I already have all the info, now just need to purchase the ONU module to verify if it’ll work with my solarflare SFP+ adapter

PLOAM password + ONT serial + ONT HW/SW version + model I have all the info needed for emulating my ISP provided box

Granted I’ll lose VoIP through RJ11 but I’ll experiment more once I get it setup to get the function back

And doing this also gives me more bandwidth from my ISP as people has reported being able to pull more than gigabit speed on a gigabit plan with some modification to OMCI info

[sudden kayak]

yeah you can get software that enables windows remote desktop but honestly something like cockpit is a much better recommendation for a beginner

[sudden kayak]

I'm not sure that's worth the extra effort vs just using their gateway in bridge mode, especially since if you get caught trying to get speed you didn't pay for you'll be a bit screwed

[blazing karma]

I'm combining all my machines into one box

=lower power consumption running everything just under one hypervisor

and there's no point to NOT do it, we get the default 4 port fibre terminal, which only one port we use, so why not just shrink all that into one single SFP module

and getting caught? not really, you're not "hacking" the system so to speak, you're just changing OMCI value to get more speed, and with normal fibre terminal boxes, with a 1 gigabit connection getting 950mbps is already considered good, why not just get that speed and a little bit more

at least I don't view it personally as hacking the system as we're just trying to get the advertised speeds

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4982695&st=1980&p=104286872&#entry104286872
Something like this is just better in general compared to 2 boxes, that's if I was only to look to compress it into a single router from like mikrotik or unifi

[peak cloak]

There are

Putting everything in one box can be a pita, that's the whole reason I don't virtualize my main router

When you break the config or something and it's not accessible for example

[blazing karma]

I’ll have a high availability cluster available

So I’m not that concerned

Also OPNSense can automatically backup configs

[pseudo blade]

Gigabit routing+NAT's really easy on CPU, the gotcha for a converged setup like that is that if it breaks it's really easy to end up in a situation where you can't log in to start your router VM because your hypervisor/client can't get an IP, and if it really dies all is lost

All possible to plan around

Don't bridge multigigabit on a CPU. Use a switch instead

[junior lantern]

you guys out there with 10 gigabit networking and i have barely 2mb :D

[pseudo blade]

lol tell me about it, my gigabit router's going to outlast me at this rate

[civic elk]

What are u doing at home that u need more than 1gbps uplink/downlink

[pseudo blade]

Wanting things to happen fast?

Not wanting to wait for downloads?

WFH uploading/downloading large files?

I don't think most people need multigigabit to their homes but it'd certainly be nice to have.

Tell me you wouldn't get this if it was available to you

It is stupid and insane

And I would build a network to compensate for it in a heartbeat

I am not convinced this person lives on the same planet as me https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2022-05-14-http-and-https-download-25gbit/

[civic elk]

Well, i cant think of any service thats employed through the internet that supports those kinda rates. Maybe im ignorant

[pseudo blade]

Just use multiple services simultaneously

200 TV channels, 85 in HD? Watch them all at the same time, why not

Connect to AWS and get a block device faster than your local SSD

The internet may as well be next to your desk

Don't even bother with bulk downloads, using it in-place and streaming it is faster

I think part of the reason they can offer 25gbps for ~$100 is because nobody's going to be able to think of ways to saturate it for long

1000:1 contention? Doesn't matter

25gbps is more bandwidth than my local ISPs have for Sydney suburbs

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo Your router sucks. Build your own instead!

[clear igloo]

nou!

[civic elk]

Good ol telstra, had some fun working on their projects for awhile in singapore. Its not that bad here, but ive heard the opposite in australia itself.

[pseudo blade]

Telstra's completely dysfunctional and surviving solely off the brand recognition and lack of options that aren't reselling the same shit

In a truly free market it'd be dead

[civic elk]

Their services on the international circuit isnt bad, id say.

[topaz smelt]

The offers I had from Spectrum went from 500 to 1 gig for a $10 difference in price

[waxen scroll]

why not? doesnt going from 5w to 300w usage make sense?

[clear igloo]

Yes, more watts = more speed

[waxen scroll]

save $50 and spend $300 in power?

[pseudo blade]

What would you fuck up badly enough to get 300W draw

[blazing karma]

yes ill do this, ill probably get a switch flex xg and use it with my either 48port gigabit poe capable switch or my tp-link 8 port with 4 poe ports, but for everything else (except ap) its gonna be esxi/vm

[pseudo blade]

Everything downclocks for efficiency, it'd be like 50w tops

[hollow marlin]

If you're paying for a gig plan and getting 950mbps, you're getting the advertised speeds.

And yes, its doesn't fall under hacking but it does fall under a malicious actor and they can take legal action. But there should already be provision in place that prevent this.
Most GPON vendors I've worked with have alarms enabled out of the box for config diffs (changes to the OMCI) and it's fairly easy to spot. But if they are not paying enough attention to it, they may not care.

Your biggest concern with GPON is you're introducing a 3rd party optic into a TDM medium. That means if your optic is faulty, you can take 31-63 customers down with you. At that point the ISP is not the only one able to take legal action, but depending on your laws, the gov will step in as well because your now interfering with e911 services. The risk to reward is not worth it.

[blazing karma]

Sure but you're talking about something that people has actively deployed in their own home, and for a year or two without any visible reports that I can see

[pseudo blade]

It's more likely they'll just tell you to stop

But 950mbps is pretty much the real world limit for a gigabit interface

[blazing karma]

If they tell me to stop of course I'll do it, but if it doesn't cause any problems, would they even care? Except OMCI ofc

[pseudo blade]

Using more bandwidth on GPON is also a bit of a jerk move because it can impact others

[blazing karma]

And honestly speaking if there really was failure, there's gonna be reports from multiple ISPs, cause the repo for this is open on github and there's multiple users from different countries that has successfully deployed it, but since the repo was publicized two years ago, there's not a single issue that has been raised about them being able to take down a whole infra that they're connected to

[civic elk]

Fiber optics is all fun and dandy until u realise its invisible laser weapon

[blazing karma]

From my knowledge of following this, there's been reports that OMCI modification has been detected from ISP side, so I'll not be taking advantage of it of course

It was just an example

[pseudo blade]

I'm not sure why you're pointing at a Github repo as a seal of quality

[blazing karma]

Cause it originated from there

And I'm referring to it

[pseudo blade]

Or that people would post issues saying "0/10, got sued for stealing bandwidth"

[hollow marlin]

I'm not saying a failure will impact their entire infrastructure, it will impact the PON which is shared up to 32 or 64 customers depending on their deployment.

[blazing karma]

Still, if there's issues from users deploying it, ISPs here would actively hunt down these users since from your reference, they can detect OMCI modification right? But there's been no issues here

[pseudo blade]

*that you are aware of

[hollow marlin]

Depends on the ISP, many may not care or are not monitoring it. I am just pointing out the risk on the hardware side.

[civic elk]

I bring picture to discussion

[sudden kayak]

yeah I'm talking about equipment, not the plan price. as in, going with their gigabit plan, if they actually provision 1000Mbps, gigabit ethernet hardware will get around 940Mbps. spending double or triple the amount for 2.5GbE to remove that slight bottleneck and get ~60Mbps more probably isn't worth it

[pseudo blade]

I'd do it if the ISP actually overprovisioned their services to do so

But I'm in Australia and speeds over 70mbps are hypothetical to me

[civic elk]

To be fair, even if he did went ahead and did as he wanted. Its unlikely hes gonna consume 1gbps consistently. Unless...

[sudden kayak]

just to be clear this is a response to a different person who has DOCSIS spectrum broadband 1Gbps, not the GPON hacking person

[civic elk]

Oh yes, i was refering to the latter

[sudden kayak]

the GPON hacking is just generally a terrible idea, even if you don't care about equipment cost, but that person seems to have already made up their mind and seems really invested in rationalizing it so i don't think there's much i can do lol

[pseudo blade]

Currently working for a shop using a 2950 as a core switch and an 887 as a router

Though I would rather they did not

[civic elk]

What u working as

[pseudo blade]

Oh that's just a temp role, between jobs - Telstra retail stuff

[sudden kayak]

Telstra

[pseudo blade]

I know

Trust me I know

[civic elk]

Hey telstra gave my old company some pretty sweet contracts to work with. Cant complain bout them

[nimble sable]

anyone know of any benchmarks of protectcli stuff with pfsense/opnsense? i want to buy the one with 2.5Gbe but...is the processor good enough? how fast will the IPsec be?

[pseudo blade]

In my last role I actually got to interact with their senior IT staff a bit

It was dysfunctional

So many genuinely moronic decisions

I will say no more on that

[sudden kayak]

I think even we're probably doing better than them at this point

and one of our DCs is on fire as we speak

[civic elk]

Who are we

[sudden kayak]

telstra makes the whole industry feel better about itself :)

i technically shouldn't go around saying because I'm not supposed to do anything that could be construed as representing the company but ... a large and very unpopular american ISP

[civic elk]

[sudden kayak]

(granted the bar is pretty much on the floor for american ISPs already)

[pseudo blade]

But they have to be the best, that's why they're one of the most expensive ISPs to peer with on earth!

[civic elk]

Hmmm

[snow elk]

does anyone know another way to peer to peer between two hosts at this moment?

over the internet, and unencrypted.

using the tunnel to assign a public ip address to a minecraft server and i have an antibot on it. problem is now with wireguard if there is a bot attack the cpu on the router jumps to 100% (the wireguard endpoint)

GRE for now is not happening since i am NATted

[pseudo blade]

I feel it's a pretty terrible idea to disable encryption for that reason, you're just going to move the denial of service somewhere else.

It's also quite fast as it is

[sharp elm]

What do you guys think about TP-Link TG-3468

I'm planning to buy a Network card for under 30$

[proper peak]

building a router ayy ?

[proper peak]

it is good with spec but not with connectivity

[sharp elm]

What do you recommend

I can't use Ethernet because I'm not allowed to move the router

[proper peak]

what are you planning to use the NIC for

[sharp elm]

Gaming

[peak cloak]

it's a ethernet NIC ?

I don't understand

[sharp elm]

I saw some with antennas but people say NICs that are inside the PC are better

And I want to buy a NIC which detects my Wi-Fi without any wires

[peak cloak]

So you want a wifi NIC

that's an ethernet NIC, it's useless for wifi

[sharp elm]

Yes

Oh

I understand

[cobalt iris]

tbh wifi is wifi. pcie ones can be faster but USB ones are typically easier.

I'd just use a good USB one with an extended USB cable

[peak cloak]

Pcie is more stable, I'd always recommend it over usb

[cobalt iris]

USB cheap af tho and can easily be shared. If you go pcie you can even get a longer antenna for better signal

[sharp elm]

I'll look for a PCIe NIC

[cobalt iris]

You can place the antennas somewhere for better signal. The ones attached to the back I wouldn't use

[sharp elm]

This is for 10$?

[cobalt iris]

No lol

That one has wifi 6e

A $10 card will be old and not good

[carmine moss]

can get the cudy ax5400 for cheap it's an intel ax200 card

[sharp elm]

Problem is I don't have 47$

[carmine moss]

that card is also 6e and can be upgraded as it's a laptop wifi card in a adapter

[sharp elm]

I'll look it up

[carmine moss]

that is 30 usd on amazon

[sharp elm]

Oh

[carmine moss]

it's as good as that gigabyte card for cheaper

[sharp elm]

I have one last thing

TP-Link Archer T3U Plus (1300Mb/s a/b/g/n/ac) DualBand

[carmine moss]

the cudy card is a lot better then that as 6e vs 5 and it uses a good intel card

[full monolith]

Gigabit powerbank👍🏻😲

[carmine moss]

for 8 usd more it's a better buy

[sharp elm]

Hmm okay

[carmine moss]

even if your wifi isn't 6e yet your set for the future by having support for it

[sharp elm]

Nice

I don't know if my PC has Bluetooth

Do they need bluetooth adapters?

[carmine moss]

that card also has bluetooth the cudy one tho needs an internal usb2 header

[crude scroll]

Hey guys, I'm using openwrt on a Netgear r8000 to extend my network wirelessly through the relayd package. I'm just wondering, do the LAN ports still work on the back to connect wired devices or do i need to configure that first?

[pseudo blade]

If you've already done it, why not just test it?

You'd have your answer in a minute or so

[crude scroll]

Because it wasn't working, and i wanted a sanity check and i didn't find an online article talking about connecting a wired device to wireless relay, only wired to wired or wireless to wireless

In any case, only one port works apparently but screw it, I'm not using this network anyway

[pseudo blade]

Is your upstream router using openwrt as well?

[crude scroll]

Nope, it's stock firmware. The only reason i used openwrt on this router is because Netgear decided it didn't need wireless ap capabilities on a 400 dollar router

Now to see if i can put openwrt on the Huawei AP i have

[hardy fractal]

everyone: has a switch
my solution: a lot of routers Etherneted together for a diy switch with their wireless disabled

[faint bronze]

What you are referring to as a "router" is actually a router + access point + switch combo. A router works on the IP layer and switches work on the Ethernet layer. Access points are in reality just a media converter from Ethernet to radio waves.

[hardy fractal]

i know

[hardy fractal]

heres a drawing from mspaint describing the solution

[pseudo blade]

I'm reminded a little bit of the "gnu/linux" copypasta lol

[peak cloak]

Those routers have internal switches

[hardy fractal]

i know but they are low in ports

[pseudo blade]

But yeah it's just a bunch of unmanaged 4-port switches at that point

I certainly hope you're not buying them for that use case, that's all I'll say

Especially because this solution results in... 7 ports between three routers if they have 4 lan ports each?

[hardy fractal]

i found all of my routers in device recycling bins and they work

so free routers

[pseudo blade]

Understandable

However: https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-8-Port-Gigabit-Ethernet-Unmanaged/dp/B07PFYM5MZ/

[hardy fractal]

would the solution work??

[pseudo blade]

Of course, it's just three times the amount of equipment, more than three times the power and more than three times the size.

If none of that matters, using recycled routers is cost-effective

[hardy fractal]

would be tthere any impact on speed?

[pseudo blade]

Most switches have internal bandwidth greater than that of the interfaces (usually nonblocking, so fast enough to use all ports at full speed between eachother), so you get better performance out of connections between ports than between switches.

And if any of those routers use 10/100 ethernet they'd be significantly worse

[hardy fractal]

how so?

[pseudo blade]

It's one tenth the speed of a gigabit interface?

Anything connected to it for switching purposes would then have to share a 100 megabit/second uplink to the other switches

[hardy fractal]

ill risk it

[hard pier]

Not sure if this is the place lol but is there a browser that does per tab vpn?

Trying to avoid going the route of emulation to have vpn on each

[hard pier]

Nice I’ll see if what I’m trying to do is tied to mac address

[cobalt iris]

It would actually be easier on the main router if one of the others handles the wifi and it only does routing

[peak cloak]

mac address is not visible outside LAN

aka outside of local L2 network

[cobalt iris]

Unless the modem is plugged straight into the pc and you look at the ipv6 address :p

[peak cloak]

even then it's not

and it doesn't matter if it's plugged straight into modem or not, ipv6 shouldn't need NAT

[fresh tinsel]

Qos setting speed to max but another device still gets more than main device

[cobalt iris]

Yea. Most things don't need ipv6 yet. Even tho the ip would be different the last 64bits could easily be converted into figuring out the mac address. But even then it's just a mac address and it would be silly to have a pc plugged straight in.

[peak cloak]

the most v6, the better

64bits could easily be converted into figuring out the mac address
false pretty sure

that was the whole point of EUI-64

[peak cloak]

silly to have a pc plugged straight in
doesn't matter, even behind a router it will get a public IP address

[cobalt iris]

Isn't the ipv6 based on the mac with fffe added and just one decimal flipped

[peak cloak]

or it may the privacy extensions

[cobalt iris]

It's too bad we been using ipv4 for so long tho tbh.

I wonder how long til we stop seeing :: replacing all them 0s. Probably won't go away within our lifetime

[peak cloak]

yeah

[peak cloak]

yeah it's privacy extensions which is based on md5 it seems

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4941

[cobalt iris]

I kinda wanna build the son of a forbidden router that level1techs made but pretty sure it would be overkill lol. So might just use a Poweredge R330

Both would be a huge upgrade from my R210 II

Wish I knew someone that had free decommissioned servers lol

[wanton stratus]

hello?

[cobalt iris]

Hello

[wanton stratus]

so when I download games from steam and battle.net my internet speed is 11.9MBps and in chrome or the geforce experience the speed is 50KBs in these 2 photos you can see it when I have only chrome and I'm not getting the speed of other game lauchers its very wired, any ideas?

[wanton stratus]

I have this problem, Im on win11

[cobalt iris]

What does speedtest show

[cobalt iris]

Oh. Is only the driver download slow?

Nvidia do be slow sometimes

[wanton stratus]

no anything I try to download in any browser

and games are fine when downloading

[cobalt iris]

Have you tried restarting pc

[wanton stratus]

yeah multiple times

and updated network drives

[cobalt iris]

Different browser?

[wanton stratus]

opera

[peak cloak]

It is always a possibility that Nvidia's cdn is just slow rn

[cobalt iris]

U got a antivirus?

[wanton stratus]

I did say that I have tried to download other things as well its the same

[wanton stratus]

windows defender

also youtube is fine and its full speed

this is heaven benchmark

[cobalt iris]

U have a VPN?

[wanton stratus]

no

[cobalt iris]

I'd say try turning one on

If it's still not working then something has happened on windows

[wanton stratus]

that is what im thinking

i have the windscribe extension dose that suffice?

did nothing

[sly lark]

How do I set up my Netgear N300 as a WEP connection????

[nimble sable]

https://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/EX2700/EX2700_QSG_23Nov2015.pdf?_ga=2.33474679.870643670.1668135529-675046264.1667579696#page=10&zoom=100,34,34 shld work

[sly lark]

Ok so I can make my wpa connection with my arris router become wep using a netgear n300?

[nimble sable]

n300 is the wifi extender yea? i believe all that does is extend existing wifi, it can't change anything about it. if you want WEP your wifi has to be setup as WEP

[sly lark]

Fuck

I will ask to make sure

[meager ginkgo]

Why are you setting up WEP in 2022

[nimble sable]

whats wrong with WEP btw?

[meager ginkgo]

It’s an extremely old and insecure protocol for WiFi passwords

it goes back to 1997

[ornate jungle]

WEP can be cracked in a matter of minutes with inexpensive hardware. May as well just leave your WiFi network completely unsecured.
https://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=simple_wep_crack

[meager ginkgo]

You should be using WPA2 or WPA3 nowadays for your WiFi.

[nimble sable]

ooh damn i thought they'd just improved it over time,wow

[pseudo blade]

Keeps the honest people out at least

Think of it like a Master lock - master keys work with all(well, multiple) locks, Master locks... well... if you're prone to losing the keys just keep a wave rake on you

[ornate jungle]

"This is the WEP-key picking lawyer, and what I have for you today is a WiFi network secured by a WEP key..." 😄

[bold drum]

Yay all terminated

[pseudo blade]

No keystones for 15/16 with cables running through, don't like the big knot over the switch

At least it's not hanging everywhere and keeps to the space allocated

[cobalt iris]

I like using punch downs

[clear igloo]

mr fancy rack over here!

[rocky badge]

lol

[snow elk]

not really... 300mbps on four cores and no more than 10k connections per second

[faint bronze]

What use does the small switch have?

[rocky badge]

PoE

[faint bronze]

Then I guess the 48 port switch is not a poe variant. Right?

[pseudo blade]

That would be a reasonable assumption

[pseudo blade]

Gigabit wireguard is pretty easy to do even on quite pedestrian hardware

[rocky badge]

it is not

[wind edge]

Hey LTT guys , there's some 100gbps network cards on eBay at a very good price QSFP28 4x25 gbps for 77 UK pounds/ 83 EUR : https://www.ebay.de/itm/124225301575

Review from servethehome here : https://www.servethehome.com/hpe-620qsfp28-4x-25gbe-single-qsfp28-port-ethernet-adapter-review/

Passive DAC cables QSFP28 100g to 4 x 25g SFP28 start at around 63$ on fs.com (for 1m), 86$ for 2m, 109$ for 3m : https://www.fs.com/products/50494.html

[cobalt iris]

Are those monoprice patch cables?

0.5 feet

[rocky badge]

fs.com

[cobalt iris]

Oh. Looks like the monoprice ones. Mine are orange lol

[rocky badge]

https://www.fs.com/products/66742.html

https://www.fs.com/products/69180.html
https://www.fs.com/products/73403.html

[cobalt iris]

Similar with the clear parts and looks slim too

Someone told me they make their own cables. I'm not making those short cables if I don't have to lol

[wind edge]

0.9$ each in a bag of 50 (can't vouch for the quality though, never tried them) : https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/micro-connectors-inc/E08-001BL/16186477

[bold drum]

Bleh. Is a rack mount L2/L3 gigabit switch with PoE and >1G uplink too much to ask for these days?

[cobalt iris]

You mean without giving a leg?

[bold drum]

Yes. I need both my kidneys.

[cobalt iris]

Mines a 10 port 2.5g with 2 of the ports being 10g RJ45 or you can use SFP+ (can't use both at same time) only thing it's missing is any poe but I don't use poe

[bold drum]

That a Netgear MS510TX?

[cobalt iris]

It's also a managed switch so wasn't cheap

[cobalt iris]

QNAP QSW-M2108R-2C

https://tenor.com/view/spared-no-expense-jurassic-park-gif-24788506

The ubiquiti one was an option too but it's 10g were only the sfp+ ports and I wanted RJ45 as an option

[bold drum]

https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/qgd-1600p
Not even going to bother looking at the price of their PoE stuff lol

[cobalt iris]

That's a switch and NAS all in one

They specialize in NAS

[bold drum]

The plain PoE switch is $800

[cobalt iris]

They ain't cheap lol

[bold drum]

It would serve my needs almost perfectly but goddamn that wallet damage.

[wind edge]

$100 + shipping for Alcatel-Lucent OS6850E-P48 : https://www.ebay.com/itm/284532599009

maximum 410w poe power

[bold drum]

I need like 5 ports tho lol

[wind edge]

you were asking about rack mount, who the hell would do rack mount with 5 ports

look at microtik maybe

[cobalt iris]

I rack mounted with 10 ports lol

[bold drum]

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08MBFLMDC/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
This would do me fine for PoE needs, but I wanted something with more ports for the rest of the network to save rack space and for less clutter.

[cobalt iris]

How many poe do u need

[bold drum]

3 cameras at 10/100, 2 APs at gigabit

[cobalt iris]

Could just use injectors. Wouldn't be as clean of a setup tho

[wind edge]

maybe https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Gigabit-Lifetime-Protection-GS108PEv3/dp/B00M1C03U2/

[bold drum]

The cameras have injectors but I wanted to keep things clean as possible without just tossing money away. My patch cables are on order. Need more ports for the rest of the house as well, so a rack mount 16 port with half PoE and a multigig uplink would serve me nicely.

[bold drum]

Yeah I was going to get that but was really hoping for a 1 U.

[cobalt iris]

U want faster than 1g?

[bold drum]

my server is 10g capable. my desktop can do 2.5 but those are both on the fast switch I have now.

[wind edge]

Nortel BayStack 460-24T-PWR Power over Ethernet Switch - switch - managed 24 x 100mbps ports with poe and rack ears : https://www.ebay.com/itm/173406613769

[cobalt iris]

So you just want a cheap poe switch to add

[bold drum]

The whole house is wired for 10 gig but can't justify that cost yet lol

[cobalt iris]

10g switches can be cheaper than 2.5

But not all will be compatible with 2.5g devices

[bold drum]

24 port 10 gig is still in used car territory

[wind edge]

$88 rack mountable HP JE008A ( 170w poe ) : https://www.ebay.com/itm/264536765964

if you get optical 10g they're cheap

asked unixsurplus for a friend a couple weeks ago if they have something like that not listed on their site, got this in the mail : 273$ for Juniper EX4200-24T Dual Power SFP+ Switch 24-Port 10G w/ EX-UM-2X4SFP (4 x 1G SFP)

[marsh vine]

hey does anyone know what would be better for me, i recently upgraded my internet from 24down to 550 down and like 36 up or something but my wired pc is only getting 100down where as my wifi is like 550, would i really get faster speeds on my pc just from wireless or a better eth cable

[pseudo blade]

~100mbps to me suggests you've got a 10/100 ethernet adapter or bad cable

Can't think of any AC 2x2 routers with 10/100 ethernet so it's probably not that on the router side

[marsh vine]

i think ive got cat 4 but not sure

[pseudo blade]

That is unlikely

But if so that would definitely need to be replaced

[faint bronze]

Cat4 has a max near 100BASE-T

So 100mbps

[thick minnow]

anyone know how to do dynamic bandwidth allocation such that when a device is not consuming a minimum amount of bandwidth it’s allocation is not active (ie if i’m downloading a game i will get full speed but if someone starts to watch netflix it allocates for them)

[waxen saddle]

Do you mean QoS?

[thick minnow]

does anyone know how to boot offline this guy is making fun of me

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[pseudo blade]

I generally do this by installing an operating system on my computers

[bold drum]

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/managed-switch/tl-sg3428xmp/v1/

[wintry pike]

not bad eh

[coarse rapids]

What parts of a wireless setup on a motherboard affect whatever version of Wifi and/or Bluetooth is supported? Is it just the chip? or do the antennae and cables also affect this?
Next motherboard I'm getting supports it, but want to put the antennae on the left side of my desk when I PC is on the right, and route it in a way the cables aren't visible (other than at the edge of my desk.) So that probably means using an extension cable even if it comes with cables already.
I'm also not sure if it just comes with antennae that are screw in directly or come with cables, if it's the first I might have to use different ones.

[pseudo blade]

The chip determines supported WiFi version and offloads if applicable, the antennae have to be tuned to perform well in the required frequency bands.

Bluetooth is always 2.4ghz

[coarse rapids]

to be clear I care more about the BT than wireless

for my controller, I'd just use wifi for smartphone 4G hotspot if my connection goes down

[pseudo blade]

BT version is determined by the Bluetooth radio, implemented in silicon

[coarse rapids]

cool, thanks

can cable length affect signal integrity?

[pseudo blade]

Of course it can.

If that matters or not is another question, you'd have to have a pretty long cable from the radio to your antenna for it to matter much

[coarse rapids]

I probably wouldn't need more than 5'/150cm

[pseudo blade]

Sorry 150cm?

That's nuts, just move the radio instead

[coarse rapids]

I mean from the motherboard to the antennae

[pseudo blade]

You can do it if you really have to

Five feet to the antenna is a lot

[coarse rapids]

well it depends on how far the signal reaches I suppose

[pseudo blade]

You could do it with the right cabling, but it doesn't really make sense to do in any use case I am presently aware of

What I will say is moving the radio is the more sensible approach if that length is needed

[coarse rapids]

PC on right side of desk, triple monitor, TV to the left of the desk where I'd be playing

[pseudo blade]

Bluetooth range isn't generally that bad

It can be behind the motherboard and it'd be fine

[coarse rapids]

I am coming from a USB BT adapter that has pretty shit range for my controller

I used to have it hooked up to a USB hub, but for some reason now it won't work anymore unless plugged directly into my PC

or I can use a shorter cable and put the antennae on the beefy backside of my middle monitor

it'll still be closer

[pseudo blade]

I think I misinterpreted your question a bit due to context. You mean USB cable don't you?

[coarse rapids]

no in this case I was talking about the cables for the antennae

[pseudo blade]

Yeah don't

Run a USB cable instead

Or just get a better bluetooth adapter

[coarse rapids]

well that was no longer working, hence looking to switch to mobo bluetooth

wasn't looking at getting a board that has one as much as the board that I'm thinking of getting supports it

[pseudo blade]

It's very likely leaving the antennas where they are will be fine for the same room

[coarse rapids]

I'll see how it works with the stock antennae and cables and go from there

thanks for the help

[sour pewter]

Anyone know how I can share my internet connection from my wifi card in my PC with my NAS through my mellanox card??

[glacial steppe]

At the back of your computer should be this thing called an RJ-45 plug. Looks like a fat phone cord. Its what allows him to connect to you. Unplug that and he will be booted off

[bleak merlin]

should i get a wired network adapter or a wireless one

[waxen saddle]

Wired is more reliable and consistent. Go with wired whenever you can.

[waxen saddle]

That’s an ISP problem, not a technology problem. There’s a reason all these ISP’s eventually aggregate on wired connections. Wired is faster, more reliable, and consistent.

[wind edge]

i have 500 mbps down / 25 mbps up cable

at work company gets fiber internet, they pay more for 20 / 20 through fiber , only because the company also bundles some VPN stuff for remote work

there's a competing company that has fibers in the same bundle with this company's fibers outside the company building, they offer 100 / 100 for like 20$ a month in local currency but they don't have good hardware vpn offerings and the non-it people at the company said 20 mbps is enough

I used my phone internet with usb tethering just for fun, got around 20-25 MB/s download through 4G/LTE but it was probably usb 2.0 limitation, downloading straight to phone is faster

[buoyant palm]

20/20 doesn’t make sense for a business connection. You’re saying your whole office is on a single 20 down 20 up line?

What’s your latency like?

[wind edge]

Yeah, 20/20 for a office with around 10-15 people. It works well, because at most people are listening to online radios, so there's not much bandwidth used. Mail is using most of the bandwidth (mails with 20-50 MB of attachments)

[buoyant palm]

That is super shocking. I’m pretty sure my office has dual 10gbps links.

A couple hundred people so it is larger

That’s better than I thought

If you live somewhere where slow dsl is your only option then 5g is probably worth it

Is 400 pounds cheap for a 5g modem?

What if you went with another modem brand, similar price?

[wind edge]

Orange here has 4G internet / data plan for 9$ a month with free modem if you subscribe for 2 years ... it's a ... eh, whatever, Huawei B311-221 Flybox 4G with 150 mbps down / 50 mbps up : https://www.amazon.com/Huawei-B311-221-Unlocked-Mobile-Venezuela/dp/B07TK2X6NS?th=1

the plan has 200 GB of traffic included, and no metering between midnight and 7 am ... yeah, you can do better than that, but it's free instead $100+ if you stay subscribed for 2 years

[onyx hawk]

hello, can i make own router? what specifically i need to do that? since i have 5G router but no traffic monitor where users downloading so i can check and limit to speed parameters

My 5G router zte mc801a , tell me if its bad , i can buy another router whats best router which you recommends 🙂 i've been searching but not sure what choose indoor or outdoor router :/

@royal estuary okay , what hardware i need to get? are Mini PC is enough and just add PCIe wifi 6 right?

and ill go just pfsense then,

@royal estuary i'll take ryzen mini pc since its enough powerful handles almost everything 😄 okay tomorrow i will do search 😄

what model you using? might have a look

how do you feel? its good?

[wind edge]

check the servethehome forums for great deals thread, there's some small computer deals posted there

[sour pewter]

Windows 11, both PC and server are on

[wind edge]

for example 80$ for HP T540 with Ryzen 1305g with ac adapter and keyboard (front usb ports not working) : https://www.ebay.com/itm/275444864184

[bold drum]

@cobalt iris https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B0973TVGMR

[cobalt iris]

Do you need 24 ports tho lol

[bold drum]

no but there's no 16 port version

[cobalt iris]

There's a 299 one thats 24 ports

[sour pewter]

Thank you!! It took some time to figure my particular needs but the bottom of that article you sent was exactly what I needed

[fringe saddle]

I'm looking at getting a 150ft ethernet cable to connect my router and my PC. Is cat6 good enough? I saw a cat7 version but its double the price

Is there a difference between the two?

[thick minnow]

cat6 is easily enough

[frigid sphinx]

6A is good to 10Gbe at that distance

but you'd probably get away with cat 6 but it might not 'certify'

[wind edge]

in theory cat6 can do 10gbps up to 55 meters ... but I wouldn't use it for more than 30 meters / 100 ft ... and of course, not the cheap CCA (copper coated aluminium / copper clad aluminium), don't use CCA cables with such long distances as the wires have higher resistance and therefore you have higher losses

With long CCA cables, on some cards you have to disable "green mode" / power saving features so that the card keeps transmission power higher for stronger signals

[radiant fable]

does anyone know how i can use a router to extend wifi from a modem/router?

and not be different wifi?

so its all the same wifi connection?

[faint bronze]

What you are describing is called a mesh network (I think).

[radiant fable]

how does one make a mesh network then?

[shadow bluff]

usually your router will show you in its control center whether your router is mash capable or not (usually by going 192.168.1.1)
normally many new routers comes with AP mode instead of mesh which needs cables. but if your router has built in mesh for that particular model then its possible

[faint bronze]

You would have to have a router that can do that and then look it up on the web. The different brands make their routers support it on different pages and such.

[peak cloak]

No

[peak cloak]

What you want is another wifi Access Point

[peak cloak]

Mesh is what doesn't need cables since it uses wifi to connect APs so it usually is less ideal than just a wired backhaul

[peak cloak]

phone might not trust it

What??
That's not how it works.

You can have multiple APs with same SSID and the client device will choose which AP aka base station to connect to

[shadow bluff]

it depends on what he need. if he is going AP then yes hes gonna need cables anyways which is much ideal than using a mesh wifi. that doesnt account whether signals in his area is crowded already

[peak cloak]

It takes a second or two to switch between stations

[faint bronze]

Updated

[radiant fable]

so is it mesh or access point?

[faint bronze]

Depends on what you need.

If you cannot run a wire from one to the other then choose mesh network. If you can run a wire then AP.

[radiant fable]

ap it is

so i need to find out if my router supports ap?

[faint bronze]

Yes

https://kb.netgear.com/20927/How-do-I-change-my-NETGEAR-router-to-AP-mode

This might be helpful.

[radiant fable]

thank you!

[faint bronze]

If you have a Netgear router

[radiant fable]

in fact i do lol

also do i want dynamic or static ip?

also whats the different between ap and bridge mode?

[faint bronze]

AP mode for wifi. Bridge mode just acts like a switch.

I would say set it up with DHCP and then use your main routers static assignment page to put it at a predictable IP so you can change things later if needed.

[radiant fable]

so if i use ap i can still use the lan ports as well?

[faint bronze]

Bridge mode supports switching and AP mode supports wifi.

You might be able to select both.

[radiant fable]

there its in ap mode

but theres still two wifi connections showing up?

[faint bronze]

Same username and password?

Is it relaying the DHCP requests?

[radiant fable]

does it have to be exact same name and password?

capitals and all?

[radiant fable]

how do i check this?

[faint bronze]

Nevermind, it looks like Netgear disabled DHCP so that shouldn't be a problem.

[radiant fable]

ah okay

[faint bronze]

Can you log into both?

[radiant fable]

the other one i cant since idk the password to that one lol

but the ap router i can

also do i need to make the wifi on the ap router the same as the main modem/router?

[faint bronze]

As in what? SSID and password yes.

[radiant fable]

okay then

io think i did it 🙂

thanks for the help!

[bold drum]

Yeah but it drops to 1 gig uplink instead of 10

[clear igloo]

What you linked though is only gigabit though

You need SFP+ for 10gbit

[bold drum]

The listing is wrong, it's sfp+ on their website but not Amazon

[clear igloo]

https://www.tp-link.com/us/business-networking/managed-switch/tl-sg3428mp/
I see gigabit SFP only

The XMP version has 10gig but it's $600

[bold drum]

well goddammit

I must have misread it

[clear igloo]

Yah, the single letter in the name makes the difference

[bold drum]

Hate it when they do that. so the difference between the 2428 and 3428 is PoE vs Poe+

[clear igloo]

Yup, and for 10g vs 1g uplinks it's the 3248XMP vs 3248MP

[bold drum]

https://www.tp-link.com/us/compare/?type=smb&typeId=5351&productIds=42226%2C44201%2C45179

wait wat, the 3428 isn't PoE+, just a bigger power supply?

TP-Link needs to sort their shit out, that stat block is disorganized.

[clear igloo]

It is, just listed poorly

They put PoE+ but in the PoE slot, lol

[bold drum]

I expect this from Newegg and Amazon but not an actual OEM site.

[nimble sable]

I have a question, just watched a video where James installs a TP-Link router in his house. It includes a bunch of the usual cool stuff like parental controls, guest network etc... But also has IPS? How is it doing IPS? Gigabit IPS requires quite a powerful cpu, the router just has a Broadcom 1.5ghz, 3core soc

I've had to pay at least $300-$400 for an appliance device with a cpu good enough to IPS gigabit and even then it's a maybe

[limpid laurel]

Guys I'm having trouble with my wifi motherboard. It seems like the adapter isn't working and it only gives me the option to hook up a Ethernet cable for Internet

Nvm just bought a long Ethernet cable I don't feel like messing with it tbh

[meager ginkgo]

Maybe via cloud processing? Or a subscription?

[nimble sable]

oh, hmm cloud processing maybe...i assumed that's be too much delay?

[meager ginkgo]

I'm not sure haha. Just throwing out guesses

[sudden kayak]

i mean if it's passive IDS/scanning then cloud would be fine i guess

u sure that's not what it was?

[nimble sable]

Oh i have no idea that's why i'm asking

[fringe saddle]

Finally switched to ethernet. Ive been on wifi with my PC for two years but it's been bad with MW2. First pic was on wifi.

[ember badge]

wow grape

u connect to router or powerline adapter

[fringe saddle]

Connected to a TP Link Archer router

I’ve tired powerline adapters in the past. Didn’t really work well

[ember badge]

i am forced to use one right now, barley getting 10mbps

[fringe saddle]

damn

[shadow bluff]

powerlines were never meant to be great even if it was rated for ax5000+. its just there to repeat signal or grab its proxy

its best to just long wire direct router connection instead

[full monolith]

German 5G is the best no cap🗿

Fake 5G sorry

[prime dawn]

i get 12 down at my desk, also DTAG

which is better than the 0 down vodafone gigabit cable gives me every now and then

[thick minnow]

Telekom LTE+ (My pixel says that, dunno what the + means)

[full monolith]

Thats my max so far on real 5g

[full monolith]

• stands for advanced

[thick minnow]

I only had the fake 5g so far. But tbh: I don't need it faster than that ... LTE is faster then my dsl

[thick minnow]

Ah, okay...I don't know what that means either, but I guess small improvements. :D

[full monolith]

For me my internet at home is faster i get like 1800mbits but like 100-300 on mobile is enought

Idk why people cry about not having 3000000mbits on mobile

[thick minnow]

Yeah.....

I prioritize stability / coverage WAY over speed.

10mbps would (at the moment) be enough for my mobile device. Something around that.

But when I am somewhere, where no connection is (or Edge 🤮 ) I wanna die

Some may need a bit more, but for me it is not relevant

[full monolith]

10 is too slow but 100 is a great deal. Thanfully in my region theres no Edge anymore and i littearly have 5G out in the woods lmao

[thick minnow]

Yeah, can totally confirm. But for ME it is enough.

I have nothing against more. Without any doubt.
Yeah, I nearly got everywhere 5g/LTE....but when I am in the building of my company, there are some places where the LTE signal can't reach, but edge does....so edge it is .... Sadly...

[fathom river]

Hi There
im thinking about changing my home networking gear to 2.5G
do you think OPNSense Router such as the topton miniPC from aliexpress will do?
anyone tried them?
how can i know if it will handle the throuput?

[faint bronze]

I got a 2.5gbe router off of Amazon and so far it was amazing although I am still setting it up.

[full monolith]

You prob need more cpu power a celeron, pentium or a atom prob wont do it

I got 10G local and use a ryzen 5 3400g as router cpu

But i3 or smth is prob enought for 2.5gbps

[fathom river]

this is what i worry about

[full monolith]

I would rather get a used i5 pc with like 4000 gen i5s or smth

For like 100$ or smth

And a dualport 2.5g pcie card

[faint bronze]

1/2 correct. Routing takes little effort if you are talking about 2.5g, but VPN or the like takes more effort. On a 2.5 gbe I sit at maybe 10% when routing with an i3. I got the i3 so I can use it to host a VPN.

[full monolith]

Yea you right but i still wouldnt use the cpus i said lol

Already because of future proof for more later

And getting a normal pc you can just switch out lan cards or sfp cards and u good to go with more or whatever

Getting one from aliexpress with like 4 ports you cant upgrade anything

[fathom river]

do you have something to recommend?
or i just need to find a pcie card with a good enough NIC?

[full monolith]

I would just get a like optiplex or smth with 2 or more pcie slots and get 2x 1 port 2.5gb nics

I have a 2x1g card and sometimes it cant even do 1.5gbits over the 2 ports at the same time

[faint bronze]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304687472639

Maybe...

[pseudo blade]

Can I get 0.3428 ounces of network card, please?

[waxen saddle]

Lol!

[unborn sluice]

Lol

[meager ginkgo]

Anything based on Intel I225-V should be fine

[fathom river]

Cool thanks.

[full monolith]

Looks good 👍🏻

[novel dome]

I bought a Netgear N300 WNR2000v3 for $5 the other day and the plan is to deploy TrueNAS on my old laptop with a 1TB external HDD attached and run that network parallel to my home internet

[thick minnow]

Lmao, German cellular internet is horrible in general. You don't get good coverage outside of cities and towns too.

[thick minnow]

Is this n78?

[prime dawn]

what i find hilarious is that supermarkets are like perfect shelters from 5G

[full monolith]

Its better lol i live in the middle of nowhere and there no bigger city then 1k people and i have like 350mbits eveywhere

[prime dawn]

you enter your local Rewe or Netto and wham, you get EDGE at best

[full monolith]

Even in the middle of a forest

[prime dawn]

while on the parking lot, 5G

[thick minnow]

I only had that happen to me once, in Hofer.

So the Austrian Aldi

[thick minnow]

On 5G or LTE+?

[full monolith]

5G

But i mean its dss anyways

So 4g with extra frequency

[thick minnow]

I get 280mbps on 2CA LTE with 3AT here, in the middle of nowhere

[full monolith]

Thats in the middle of a forest lmao

[thick minnow]

Nice, is your plan unlimited?

[full monolith]

Yes

[thick minnow]

But the coverage maps show villages without 3G, 4G and 5G

[thick minnow]

How much do you pay for it?

[full monolith]

Coverage maps show alot of crap sometimes lmao. I pay 65€ for it

Its so much but i cant live without it

[thick minnow]

Mine is 27€ a month and I have unlimited 5G

but Austria has speed caps on all plans. Mine is up to 350mbps

[thick minnow]

Do you use it instead of DSL?

I have an extra plan for LTE so I can use it instead of slow DSL

[full monolith]

Nope in general when im not home i mean

I have 2 cable gigabit connections

In bonding

[thick minnow]

How much is that?

[full monolith]

Get like 7-11Ping 1870mbits down 110 upload

[thick minnow]

Better than 40mbps DSL by T-mobile

[full monolith]

80€ monthly and 40 for the bonding server i use

[thick minnow]

That's a scam bruh.

[full monolith]

Nah lol

Normal here for some readon

I mean i need a backend server capsble of 2gbps or more

[thick minnow]

80€ pre paid sim card

[full monolith]

Thats expensive

[thick minnow]

It's Dubai soo

[full monolith]

Lol

[thick minnow]

But it's 2gbps

My dad actually constantly had issues with signal on German highways.

[prime dawn]

i pay 49.99 for "1 gigabit" over DOCSIS

[thick minnow]

Calls dropping constantly, slow internet and so on.

[thick minnow]

Yeah but you share that bandwidth

[prime dawn]

yeah

[thick minnow]

3AT has 5G+ plans with guaranteed speeds.

[prime dawn]

that's why the scarequotes

[peak cloak]

you share bandwidth regardless of medium

[full monolith]

yea i mean you csnt have good mobile internet if i dont use telecom

[thick minnow]

The first carrier on earth to do that

[thick minnow]

I avoid Telekom usually but I'm stuck with 2 internet contracts so I got my sim only plan there too, because it's cheaper.

[full monolith]

Ok

For mobile theres nothing better in germany

[prime dawn]

for any issues one may have with DTAG at least their mobile internet always worked for me when vodafone shat themselves locally or nationally

[thick minnow]

Telekom messes up so bad

b20 LTE only towers, congestion

[full monolith]

Lmao

Wanna see where i am and my speeds?

[thick minnow]

3AT LTE 2 ca

Then their trash

"5G".

[full monolith]

You know 5g isnt 5g lol

[thick minnow]

I am surrounded by my mountains and 3 has almost 300mbps on LTE

[full monolith]

Most times its dss and its basiclly 4g

[thick minnow]

It's NSA, I know but the LTE is 3ca

[full monolith]

Ok

[thick minnow]

So technically, it should still be faster.

It has more BW too.

Drei has 15mhz+15mhz

Telekom is the slowest here, in fact

[thick minnow]

But sure.

Go ahead

[full monolith]

Ok sec

so my city is like not even 3 or 4k people we have 4 towers and like littearly 300+ mbits everywhere... ik theres better speeds but for a small ass shithole thats good lol

[thick minnow]

That's a huge town for Austria

Ofc it's 300mbps.

But I'm in an actual rural area, where there isn't much here.

[thick minnow]

Only 375mbps?

and LTE seems to be 2ca 2x2mimo too

[full monolith]

yea but they built a new tower with n78 i think but i will get online in jan or feb next year

lemme see if i got drone pics of it

cant remember if i still got them

[thick minnow]

Yeah so if it's n78 it's not a small town.

[full monolith]

its small my city just spends more for it

[thick minnow]

I have the rural b1 and b20 site here on Tmobile and it's barely acceptable for 2022

[full monolith]

our city is not big they just want better mobile internet lmao

i mean its like 11 small citys combined our idk what its called and thats all together like not even 6k people

[thick minnow]

https://tyler-will.shutoffyourinter.net/📸/ypamj7wm.png They didn't even cover the capital city in 5G yet

[full monolith]

lol that looks funny

[thick minnow]

https://tyler-will.shutoffyourinter.net/📸/f7c8cxne.png embarrassing carrier

[thick minnow]

They only care about population size I think

[full monolith]

nah telecom has a like extra thing where they build out smaller towns

and we are luckly a part of that programm

[thick minnow]

Yeah, do you see the holes in coverage?

[full monolith]

yea but who cares theres nothing anyways

[thick minnow]

I mean yeah but I can show you a few examples

It does get quite ridiculous

[full monolith]

show me

[thick minnow]

4G and 5G coverage btw

[full monolith]

bro thats bullshit

littearly everywhere but not in the town

[thick minnow]

https://tyler-will.shutoffyourinter.net/📸/m4af0oo4.jpg

Yes, it's because the signal is too weak