tech-chat-2

[brisk jolt]

my 9950x3d 5090 doesnt want to touch a peasant’s game called valorant

[steel stream]

if it doesn't have PT, the 5090 can't run it

[frank zealot]

it's hilarious how many people still want to whine about radeon drivers, but managed to ignore NVidia's months of fuckups and driver recalls, and emergency updates

[brisk jolt]

DLSS as well

[frank zealot]

"Nope, that versions busted, time to remove it and roll a new version ASAP!"

[cyan canopy]

$22,38

[wraith steeple]

Yeah I'm not going to defend 50 series drivers during that time frame

[frail beacon]

Essential is $5.34. Ultimate is $11.65
Not bad
The PC only one is ₹879/month [$5.34]

i dunno if this is the updated one but if it's getting cheaper then great.

[cyan canopy]

Ultimate is more expensive in the US than in Norway

[frank zealot]

you know it's bad when people are asking "which version is safe currently?"

[wraith steeple]

My 9070 XT has been rock solid so far

[cyan canopy]

My 7900XTX has been rock solid so far.

[steel stream]

minus FSR4

[cyan canopy]

Still a stronger GPU

[frank zealot]

I'm getting annoyed at Cyberpunk, but it's not my GPUs fault.

[wraith steeple]

I mean sure some of the complaints of Radeon are somewhat valid..... But ATi was arguably far worse in the driver department.

[frank zealot]

just hack it in, cuz... reasons

[frank zealot]

them trying to mothball 1 gen old hardware 3 years after launch is a VERY REASONABLE REASON TO BE PISSED AF

the immediate backpeddaling doesn't change what they were trying to get away with

[wraith steeple]

[frank zealot]

Do we get to expect 10 years of support? Of course not.

But the support had better be longer than the manuf's warranty on the fucking hardware is. >.<

[cosmic gazelle]

oh no guys i am not gonna be able to play the new call of duty anymore

what am i gonna do

[cyan canopy]

I mean, my 5700xt is also staying strong, along with the 6800xt and 6950xt

[slim pebble]

No idea why you ever sold that kit, I bought one just so I could get your performance with dual rank. It’s really good for a work PC

[cyan canopy]

To be fair, when support ends the gpu still works.

[slim pebble]

I’m curious to see what it can do all PBO tuned up on water

[topaz veldt]

I hate having memory kits for desktops laying around - they typically tank in value

I replaced 6400 CL32 DR with 8000 CL32 SR

[slim pebble]

Says the guy with a whole box full of server DDR4 kits.

[topaz veldt]

those hold their value

like i bought the 96GB 6400 CL32 kit, pre AI, for $400 or so and sold for like $250-275

[cosmic gazelle]

this is fake, I have a 6700 xt and an AMD representative came to my house and snapped the card over his knee and left

[topaz veldt]

Not knowing this would be where we are, I should have held it

[slim pebble]

I bought one of the CL26 96GB kits for $500

[cosmic gazelle]

snail are you affected by paypal going down to 3.5

i just saw that they did that

[cyan canopy]

EXCUSE THE FUCK.....
$10704

[slim pebble]

With tax, it was 400 something before tax

[cosmic gazelle]

typo maybe?

[frank zealot]

but not getting updates / optimizations for new games could mean that you straight up can't play the new titles sometimes

And that's not appropriate for 3 year old hardware

[steel stream]

this feels like a placeholder/typo

[cosmic gazelle]

while I have the exact same opinion as you, this doesn’t happen suuuuper often

[frank zealot]

Will most games work on a 780 TI today?
Absolutely. Most will.

However, there are titles that it 100% cannot run, since support ended like.... 3 years ago?

[cosmic gazelle]

does a 780 ti have full dx12 support lol

[topaz veldt]

Nice - 6000 Cl26?

I am fairly certain I can get the 6400 CL32 kit to 6000 CL26

[frank zealot]

yup... well, mostly:

DX12 = yes
DX12.1 = no

[cosmic gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

only has base level support

[frank zealot]

that however, isn't a driver thing, it's hardware level.

Even in 2015/16 that was an issue

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah i know im just saying a newer driver won’t fix the api support not allowing games to launch

[steel stream]

the best video game experience is playing tetris in your mind

[cosmic gazelle]

ball knowledge

[slim pebble]

I told you when I bought it, and you made fun of me for getting one of the 1.4v kits instead of 1.35. The latter sold out instantly 🤣

[topaz veldt]

it doesn't really matter

[frank zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/waynesworld-waynes-world-waynes-world-movie-waynesworldmovie-waynes-world-car-gif-16710460511963109542

[slim pebble]

Should I be running 2000 fclk with this or 2100-2200 at 6000?

[topaz veldt]

Whatever your CPU likes

what is your vsoc set to

[slim pebble]

I think it’s 1.2 at 6000 on auto

[topaz veldt]

crank it up to 2200 and see if its stable

[slim pebble]

I had a really tight 6200 and even 6400 working before, but after the last two BIOS updates I just CBA to tune it again. I just set EXPO, 2100 fclk, and 65536 refresh. It’s C26ffs

I didn’t notice THAT big of a performance difference for the effort

[hoary hatch]

Blegh

[steel stream]

lovely

essentially drinkable air

[pure garnet]

i think usps lost the 7700t

[steel stream]

USPS still has not delivered my roommates Mario Super Sluggers for the Wii

[muted matrix]

https://giphy.com/gifs/gifboom-mountain-dew-eUHgsKbzTshby

[cosmic gazelle]

what are you gonna use it for

[pure garnet]

upgrading my thinkcenter i use as a server with a 7500t

[cosmic gazelle]

the real man’s choice

[pure garnet]

that doesn’t socket in the m710q i already own

[steel stream]

I love youtube

[cosmic gazelle]

i know i’m kidding

i just want to someday build an ultra low power consumption gaming build

with a like 50w limited 5060 ti or some shit

[pure garnet]

well those don’t exist

[cosmic gazelle]

well yeah

but you can just set a tdc

[pure garnet]

the vbios tops out at -17%

[cosmic gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

simply edit it

[pure garnet]

you can’t

it’s not maxwell anymore

[cosmic gazelle]

anything is possible with Christ

[hoary hatch]

Kyoko just mod your board to support coffee lake cpus

[pure garnet]

it’s a lenovo oem small thinkcenter

[cosmic gazelle]

holy moly 😭

i feel so bad for whoever’s buying this

cheapest one

[pure garnet]

it’s just mia

[steel stream]

USPS has been wack recently

[pure garnet]

by recently do you mean like the past 8 years

[steel stream]

idk my last package played pinball with distribution centers

[cosmic gazelle]

they just do this now, it suxks

Also apparently the best option for a gpu limited to 50 watts is the a2000?

does that sound right

[steel stream]

4000 ada sff might be better

[pure garnet]

3050 6gb is a 75w 1060

[smoky orbit]

pro b60 sff?

[steel stream]

is that a thing

i don't think it is

[cosmic gazelle]

apparently there’s a pny 4000 that ships with a 50 watt vbios?

[smoky orbit]

Woups meant the b50

[smoky orbit]

I should have said b50 https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChsSEwiDufvFvf-TAxUPY0cBHZDbAlAYACICCAEQAhoCcXU&co=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwwJzPBhBREiwAJfHRncabWyKWZwsf2IPWLBP3py23nkwOGIb0ITZcpiYQjoowa8Ib23dKRBoC7kQQAvD_BwE&sph=&cid=CAASugHkaMRGanP-jVK0wFNAMiOgxpazMlw3BevjsnWYOnKabxq95FF9wHmilfW9UwxZQJmUteI1zhOe7OV0Fukd8B7ghTPCr4bN2e5QS4tcyh0VuiAxf2jAFkTjjhTSOlUM6u6xNSc5TrJEGQWO5v-QYlCsDWjqZhC97k7p7muBaNIvLNTfiu_BDpzWGEZ7FiEQfXjDfSQztnWrBRrVH57B-_MhGteMVTEuZItZpC53mRXDNCCr_sba5adGK0k&cce=1&sig=AOD64_3LI6DHx4bDjf2_ELqJpIfIy1i8ag&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjp8fPFvf-TAxW_L1kFHRYULR8Qwg8oAHoECAkQCg&adurl=

[muted matrix]

i just saw a review on this. they are trying to bridge that gap price wise. if it'll run older games decent or newer games lower stats i think its a good compromise

anybody have one?

[cosmic gazelle]

okay well it’s $2000 so maybe not

[steel stream]

what?

[cosmic gazelle]

my only concern is the card using more than 50 watts to boot because afterburner won’t have loaded

because that kind of defeats the whole purpose

[pure garnet]

i should buy a 9950x3d2

[smoky orbit]

The pro b50 is 75 watts

[cosmic gazelle]

i kinda just wanna see what kind of performance a 9700x can put up limited to like, 45 watts and tuned accordingly

[smoky orbit]

Why do you want a card with a max of 50 watts? The pcie slot can give 75 watts

[cosmic gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[smoky orbit]

I tried reading up but I don’t see the reason

[cosmic gazelle]

low power consumption build made to operate off of a 100w capable power bank

it’s a dumb idea it just sounds fun

[smoky orbit]

Oof, pretty sure you’ll have to go with an old sff workstation card, I haven’t seen a 50 watt card in good while

[cosmic gazelle]

just posted a 4000 ada that ships with a 50 watt limit

it just is 2 grand

[smoky orbit]

Yeah, I mean reasonably priced card

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah of course, it’s worth it for the right person

it’s just not the price range i’d be looking for

[steel stream]

pocket change

[topaz veldt]

Did any of you watch the GN video for "not" AMD?

[brisk jolt]

we cant stop winning!

[topaz veldt]

Its pathetic

GN is masquerading as "we tell the truth so they blocked us"

and then proceed to make a video loosely affiliating Lisa Su with Epstein

its moronic

[hoary hatch]

Sorry, I only watch cruise ship reviews now

[steel stream]

ever since you left my tax bracket you haven't been the same man :(

[fervent chasm]

We're Winning too much, it's just not fair!

[steel stream]

I don't bother watching him anymore

[fervent chasm]

We’re going to win so much, you’re going to be so sick and tired of winning

[brisk jolt]

sorry guys I didnt watch 9950X3D2 reviews I knew you’d all just say that Lisa Su is the dragon warrior

[brisk jolt]

amd will announce their version in 2030 and release it in 2070

[hoary hatch]

Oh I just find big boats fascinating

Cruises seem boring for the most part

[topaz veldt]

Its like what little merit he had.... he has annoyed everyone enough to where they don't involve him, so now he's like breaking all the dishes in the kitchen

[civic reef]

Less than a week left till laptop :3

[steel stream]

I started watching this dude who maintains lighthouses, it's pretty cool

[topaz veldt]

YES I watch the same thing

[hoary hatch]

https://youtube.com/@brightsuntravels

[brisk jolt]

He crashed out on AMD knowing damn well if he published a review on it they’d get slandered either way

[wise bear]

he likes big boats and he cannot lie

[brisk jolt]

better to save that thousand bucks XD

[topaz veldt]

@steel stream this guy?

[hoary hatch]

It's a floating city, cruise ships are crazy

[steel stream]

some of his exposes are good, like the china GPU stuff, but man you don't have to do giant articles against people

[wise bear]

i'd buy a cruise ship if i won the lottery

and just roam the seas collecting friends

[steel stream]

yeah! I spent my saturday night watching lol

[fervent chasm]

What’s bigger cruise ships or aircraft carriers, probably cruise ships right?

[hoary hatch]

Old cruise ships are very cheap when they're ready to be scrapped

[wise bear]

yee

and highly renovatable

[hoary hatch]

Tonnage? Definitely aircraft carriers

But cruise ships are the largest passenger vessels

[wise bear]

imagine owning an aircraft carrier and building a town on the flight deck

[fervent chasm]

Yah I was thinking as a city not tonnage

[topaz veldt]

its awesome and sort of terrifying

[hoary hatch]

A normal aircraft carrier personnel complement is less than a mega cruise ships passenger capability

[topaz veldt]

Its just like... they know what he's going to say, and all the other reviewers say it with him, except its HOW he says it... so they didn't send him a CPU, so now he's saying Lisa Su licks trumps boots and hangs out with epstein its moronic

[steel stream]

only the natural thought process, dude needs like a 3 month vacation

[steel stream]

I'd like to spend a night or two during a storm on one of them, would be an awesome experience

I want to sit in the light room and watch the world

[brisk jolt]

tell me in what universe he’ll praise AMD for the 9950x3d2 anyway

[hoary hatch]

Yeah a fully booked cruise ship (passenger + crew) is gonna be a lot more people than an aircraft carrier's standard staffing

Which makes sense
Different vessels designed for different tasks

[fervent chasm]

Is Intel pulling ahead in CPUs again like they used to?

[steel stream]

remains to be seen

[hoary hatch]

In mobile yes
On desktop uhhhhhhhh AMD is still king

[wraith steeple]

And people wonder I don't watch many TechTubers

[topaz veldt]

so fun fact/story - Key Biscayne has this lighthouse on the southern side. We visit it, etc. My kids are like "why are there giant fireplaces when its so hot here." Turns out, when they scoured the coasts for trade routes, etc., they built light houses and they built the SAME keepers quarters. So like the architects from lighthouses in Massechusetts built the keepers houses in Miami... lol

[brisk jolt]

where do you see them pulling ahead rn

[fervent chasm]

I remember for a few years people were talking about how AMD had caught up and Intel was falling behind

[fervent chasm]

Panther lake

[steel stream]

oh wow, that's actually pretty cool

[hoary hatch]

Lunar lake arrow lake panther lake
All fantastic mobile platforms

[steel stream]

speaking of, I think framework announced PTL stuff today

[brisk jolt]

I mean

in their defense I feel like every amd laptop is a shitter

[hoary hatch]

The verge said "with core ultra 3"
I'm gonna make a big assume that they meant series 3

[brisk jolt]

speaking of framework they’re now in singapore xd

[fervent chasm]

That pricing is not as bad as I thought it would be for UX9

I thought it would be overpriced a lot (for all laptops)

[steel stream]

mem not included

[frail beacon]

that's gonna be half the price then I assume-

[fervent chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-binh-gif-6142726653922245520

[hoary hatch]

Oh shit the site is up now

[fervent chasm]

I still can’t find and panther lake laptops on Amazon lol

[steel stream]

yo you can get a transparent bezel on the thing

[hoary hatch]

Ehhh check best buy and newegg

[steel stream]

and it uses LPCAMM2

[hoary hatch]

Amazon is mediocre for laptop shopping

[fervent chasm]

I know but I have credits at Amazon

[worthy ridge]

hey guys this is acutally good right (i dont have my old viper v3 ptfes anymore)

[fervent chasm]

I’ve been waiting

[placid blaze]

I don't think Intel is up on performance over AMD at this point but they make a much stronger value proposition, DDR5 be damned

[brisk jolt]

yeah framework is doing ptl now ig

[vestal granite]

i assume not but i have been wrong 2 or 3 times before

[worthy ridge]

gulp

[vestal granite]

oh just the slides

[worthy ridge]

yeah its the slides

[steel stream]

ok honestly not terrible

[vestal granite]

yeah probably idk i use fuckin sandpaper on the bottom of my mouse

[worthy ridge]

💀

[wraith steeple]

TFW I have been mostly watching Retro Computing channels like LGR, Waybach Tech, HighTreason610, or Ancient Electronicsthan most mainstream TechTubers is a telling sign

[steel stream]

we need transparent plastics back

[worthy ridge]

what the hell dou need sandpaper for bro are u controlling the acutal gunn recoil tf

[fervent chasm]

Those bezels are big

[teal orbit]

@shell void so I guess I'm going to be buying lpcamm2 memory

[fervent chasm]

Why so big

[steel stream]

idk

probably makes it cheaper

[hoary hatch]

Exchange for best buy gift card

[teal orbit]

guys I couldn't listen to the framework live with audio is the haptic touchpad compatible with the regular framework 13

[fervent chasm]

On those 3rd party sites?

[steel stream]

no idea

[teal orbit]

hopefully the panther lake is though?

[steel stream]

🤷

[teal orbit]

Did they not say that in the live

[fervent chasm]

Framework is a really good idea but I feel like the quality isn’t there no?

I haven’t watched too many videos but that’s what I remember being a lack of

Maybe it’s improved since then

[steel stream]

I would think it's pretty hard to do full modularity and quality

[brisk jolt]

i dont think I can ever justify the framework as is rn due to their price- Its just not for me

[low sorrel]

No it is not

-framework 13 user

[shell void]

?

[frail beacon]

I dont think Framework is meant for quality. It's meant for upgradeability and the satisfaction that if any part of your laptop dies, you can replace it without replacing the entire thing

[teal orbit]

framework announced panther lake and its lpcamm2

[frank zealot]

NGL the 358H looks absolutely baller

[teal orbit]

ah yeah the panther lake boards are compatible with the old framework 13, I can see it on the product page

[steel stream]

yeah I think that's the way to go

[frail beacon]

The high end surface laptops are meant for their quality (but the prices are crazy high soo I definitely wouldn't recommend it)
Dell XPS would be one of the best in terms of quality I would assume?

[fervent chasm]

I don’t mean it has to be high quality btw

They just look flimsy

[brisk jolt]

I can see the framework with the same PTL config as the Dell XPS powercreep it entirely in price

[shell void]

oh fire

i was starting to wonder if theyd ever offer panther lake

[fervent chasm]

Yay upgradable memory

[shell void]

X7 358H and X9 388H my beloved

easily the best X86 laptop processors atm in my opinion

[fervent chasm]

I’m checking every week for a 388H to be on Amazon

[brisk jolt]

i dont think my ram tune likes valorant

[pure garnet]

amd blacklisted tpu from 9950x3d2 reviews? lol what

sorry if i missed the discussion earlier i went outside

[fervent chasm]

TPU is what total power usage?

[pure garnet]

techpowerup

[fervent chasm]

Oh

[pure garnet]

the review outlet and developers of gpu z

[fervent chasm]

I thought they blacklisted reviewing a specific part of the CPU spec haha

Yah that makes more sense

[steel stream]

oh they got TPU too? I thought it was just GN

[pure garnet]

tpu gn and computerbase

[low sorrel]

That's wild

Did LTT get a sample? I haven't seen their video yet

[steel stream]

wow

[shell void]

the total CPU power usage on AMD is called “PPT” (Package Power Tracking) which includes the CCD(s), IOD(s), and Infinity Fabric

it’s 250W on the 9950X3D2 which is up 50W from the 9950X3D

[hoary hatch]

I once bought a best buy gift card on Amazon using an Amazon gift card

[pure garnet]

i think this has made me wish to purchase a nova lake cpu more

[steel stream]

https://tenor.com/view/let-the-hate-flow-through-you-your-hate-has-made-you-powerful-emperor-palpatine-star-wars-gif-15799521

[low sorrel]

What about factorio

[steel stream]

what are you talking about

[low sorrel]

We all know factorio is the be all and end all of cpu performance trust

[steel stream]

oh

[pure garnet]

nova lake bllc

[steel stream]

nova lake balls

[low sorrel]

How does the 9950x3d2 perform in factorio

[hoary hatch]

NVL dual bLLC

[low sorrel]

I wanna see number go higher

[shell void]

14900KS is the king of late game Factorio because eventually the 3D cache is exhausted and your performance tanks

[hoary hatch]

How about quad dies nvl

[shell void]

HUB covered this in a video at one point but i don’t remember the title

3D cache is beneficial early and mid game tho

[pure garnet]

i wonder how the 14900ks would fare in the catgirl game

[steel stream]

what

[pure garnet]

final fantasy xiv

[steel stream]

ah

[frank zealot]

mmmmmmm XIV

[shell void]

i’m curious about the rumored 6p12 bllc nova lake cpu that jaykihn mentioned a few days ago

[frank zealot]

does more than fine

[shell void]

that could be the sku that really squeezes amd if intel launches it on day one at an aggressively low price

[pure garnet]

i meant vs a 9800x3d in limsa

[steel stream]

I would think like 250-300?

[hoary hatch]

$250

[frank zealot]

I'd expect the 9800x3d to win without a doubt

[hoary hatch]

$250 would rule

But I want single die fully unlocked

[shell void]

cheap Z970 board with 6p12e bllc the zen 6 value reaper

[hoary hatch]

$500 probably

[shell void]

i want the flagship dual tile sku unless it’s significantly worse in games

if it’s significantly worse then i’ll just get a single tile

[wise bear]

aw shit eq apo got some slick updoots

[steel stream]

I too would enjoy 52c

[low sorrel]

@wise bear is this true

[steel stream]

wow that is quite different

[low sorrel]

Wait shit you play satisfactory

Not factorio

[shell void]

i can’t tell what’s different

[steel stream]

I now no longer use Peace APO though lol

[edgy laurel]

i don't know what EPO looks like anymore since installing peace

[low sorrel]

You use base APO???

[shell void]

i’ve never used peace

i’ve used og since day one

[fervent chasm]

you cant do this anymore

[steel stream]

I used peace for a while, but when i upgraded my dac/amp I stopped using it

[turbid locust]

I just don’t EQ my shit and thug it out

[steel stream]

I've been fucking with flat response too recently

except I tune my hifimans because the treble/ higher freqs sound quite harsh without it

[turbid locust]

I don’t think I can EQ better than Sennheiser engineers so

[wise bear]

idk i haven't updated it since my old intel build

[topaz veldt]

I just shoot my firearms without ear protection and then everythign sounds fine

[fervent chasm]

sorry wrong photo

[wise bear]

Haven't tweaked it yet, new install

[low sorrel]

I just use the auto eq thingy

[steel stream]

is this the method?

[steel stream]

what auto eq thing

[fervent chasm]

South Carolina will forever by my opps

[topaz veldt]

its definitely one of them

[fervent chasm]

It took them 600 days to give IAA the title for an auction vehicle

that car has been up on IAA since August 2024 and it just started pre-bid

[low sorrel]

In peace

[steel stream]

for your mic or headphones

[edgy laurel]

when I disable peace now for testing i'm horrified

[steel stream]

reject EQ, embrace the out of box experience

[edgy laurel]

in too deep. I have automations setup now too when I switch output devices it swaps the eq

as I have something specific to pull out a bad resonance on my speakers. michaels suggestion

[steel stream]

Somehow I got lucky and I have no crazy resonance (I think)

[edgy laurel]

when I reinstall windows next i'm going to be in for it. never looked into backing up the whole config yet

[steel stream]

This is why you get Element IV and store EQs on device 🧠

[edgy laurel]

ok ok mr fancy pants

[low sorrel]

Head phones

Idk how to eq a mic

[devout ridge]

pick EQ software of choice, EQ it, done

[low sorrel]

How to eq it

[devout ridge]

i am just now realizing how hard it is to describe how to EQ

[steel stream]

use peqdb to eq your headphones

what headphones do you have jerry

[devout ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRa_Zk90lDc

[low sorrel]

560s

[smoky orbit]

Woof

[wise bear]

🪿

[steel stream]

should be able to import this into peace

[mighty frost]

Guys my aw3225qf is 4k 240hz would you guys rec dp 1.4 or hdmi 2.1 or it dosne't matter cause I mtrying to do 4k 240hz and it will just get DSC anyways

[low sorrel]

I just use the auto eq profiles that peace has from crincle

[wise bear]

..4k 240?

[devout ridge]

HDMI 2.1

[wise bear]

the fuck

[devout ridge]

what's wrong with 4k 240

[mighty frost]

bless brosky

[cosmic gazelle]

any EU people in here?

[mighty frost]

yeah 4k 240hz

[steel stream]

I am technically a citizen yes

[cosmic gazelle]

I’m seeing electric callboy tonight which is apparently a band that is far more popular in the EU

[wise bear]

doesnt hdmi 2.1b max out at fuckin' 4k120 10-bit

[low sorrel]

No?

[devout ridge]

Yes, yes it does

[low sorrel]

Wait yes

[wise bear]

dsc = ew

[devout ridge]

both options are gonna force DSC or a low refresh rate, so HDMI 2.1 gives the most bandwidth between the two choices

both choices suck, HDMI 2.1 sucks slightly less

[cosmic gazelle]

we act like Jerry’s 3060 would be able to drive a 4k 120 monitor in the first place, would use all its cuda cores to display 4k60

[wise bear]

yeah im really glad i got a full-feature fiber optic hdmi cable for the tv den run

otherwise I would cry

[low sorrel]

What

[devout ridge]

Display Stream Compression

[low sorrel]

I use dsc

It's fine

[devout ridge]

my condolences

[wise bear]

ew lmao

[devout ridge]

also we know, you're using a 3060

[wise bear]

jerry out here using 4:2:0

[cosmic gazelle]

@topaz veldt is this what you thought would happen

[mighty frost]

isn't there like no difference using DSC not like I can change it since my AW3225QF is set by default and forced

[devout ridge]

There absolutely is a difference using DSC

[cosmic gazelle]

is it really that noticeable

[low sorrel]

Actually I should probably swap over to 2.1 instead of dp 1.4 it's higher bandwidth

[wise bear]

yes jerry listen to the adults

[mighty frost]

I thought its like lossless compression, and can't really tell the difference

[devout ridge]

4k 240 8bit requires roughly 60Gbps, HDMI 2.1 will yield 48Gbps, DP1.4 32.4Gbps

[devout ridge]

There is no such thing as truly lossless compression

[low sorrel]

Actually no

I forgot my monitor only has a HDMI 2.0 port

[shell void]

yes that’s true, you’d have to pixel peep high resolution still images to be able to convince yourself that you might see something

[wise bear]

"lossless compression" is a kek

[steel stream]

it's visually lossless, but not lossless compression

[low sorrel]

Well it's loss LESS

Not lossless

[cosmic gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/60fps-knee-slapper-spongebob-milkcord-gif-27449345

[mighty frost]

but yeah Ill just get the hdmi 2.1

[civic reef]

SN7100s are now on sale for $203

Come pick up your DRAMLess drives today off of Amazon!!!

[shell void]

nvidia fixed the DSC compromises on the 50 series, and it’s here to stay forever because we need it to push higher refresh rates

[low sorrel]

No

[civic reef]

Why is this in a weirdly high refresh rate

[cosmic gazelle]

it uses DSC

[mighty frost]

wouldn't it be better to use dp 2.1b since it supports it?

[low sorrel]

Yes

[civic reef]

B-B-B-But... They're 46% off!!! Think of the money you're saving! You can buy all the DRAMLess drives you'd ever want!

[shell void]

yes we’ll be using DP80 and DSC

[civic reef]

With 64 whole Megabytes of host memory buffer!!!!!

[civic reef]

Display Stream Compression?

[pure garnet]

old dsc was wack

like if i go above 60hz my colors get deep fried

[topaz veldt]

yes

[civic reef]

How old of DSC

[pure garnet]

maxwell

[mighty frost]

So im buying a dp 1.4 and a hdmi 2.1 just so I can have an extra cable incase of anything ( would this Club 3D run 4k 240hz with DSC?)

[smoky orbit]

[shell void]

DSC was added in the 20 series, and it had compromises until the 50 series

[civic reef]

I might go and pick my new laptop up tomorrow 👀

[low sorrel]

Y'all think I need a new bezel

[pure garnet]

oh it's not dsc then it's uhhh

[smoky orbit]

Yyayayayayyay

[pure garnet]

what's it called where they fry the colors for more refresh in the same bandwidth

[shell void]

it’s probably doing chroma subsampling but that shouldn’t make your colors look deep fried

[pure garnet]

subsampling yeah

[shell void]

media and such isn’t 4:4:4 by default

[pure garnet]

i can boot the pc up real fast

i think the colors drop to like 1:2:0 or something weird

[mighty frost]

@shell void is this alright before I buy

[steel stream]

damn

[shell void]

your monitor should come with a cable, but yes Club3D is a good brand

their cables are all officially certified

[low sorrel]

@wise bear why does my monitor allow me to turn off dsc at 165hz but it has same random artifacts sometimes

[civic reef]

I did tell you that the one with a 5060 & i7-14650HX turned out to be not viable right?

[wise bear]

bandwidth, signal integrity

[shell void]

i use club3D

[mighty frost]

It did buy my kitty chewed it, before I could instal my new table that has cable managment inside the legs

[low sorrel]

So what your saying i need a shorter cable?

[devout ridge]

or just a better cable

[wise bear]

or a better cable

[mighty frost]

sweet ill get those, do they do HDMI as well?

[shell void]

yah they have hdmi2.1 48gb cables

[wise bear]

I got 85ft of fiber

[low sorrel]

@brisk jolt

[low sorrel]

That's expensive

[smoky orbit]

What, what happened?

[wise bear]

yea it was like $150

[mighty frost]

sweet, thank you bro

[wise bear]

but it's full hdmi 2.1b

[civic reef]

Store temporarily halted their payment plan policy

[low sorrel]

Why not 2.2 broooo

[civic reef]

Now reverting back to other store that needs a 30% downpayment

And wants 14% of yearly interest

[wise bear]

nothing in my stack has 2.2 compatibility

[slim pebble]

Every corporation donates to whatever party is in power. It does not matter who. That’s lobbying. It’s how you get what you want. Period.

[civic reef]

It's okay though I can manage it

[smoky orbit]

Ohhhh, probably cause of the current situation causing more financial instability (im guessing) qwq

[shell void]

holy moly

[civic reef]

Yep, correct

[low sorrel]

Gotta future proof :p

[smoky orbit]

Don’t put yourself in debt “just” for a laptop 🥺

[worthy ridge]

hey guys this is acutally good right (i dont have my old viper v3 ptfes anymore)

[hoary hatch]

The flying fuck

[wise bear]

fuckin nifty little 50gb/s tx>rx solution, carries CEC, eARC, VRR, ALLM, etc etc etc

[hoary hatch]

My laptop just refuses to delete some folders
I have to delete the sub-sub folders individually

[low sorrel]

So did you get CEC working

[civic reef]

I can manage it, plus I am not taking a REAL loan really, just paying it off in installments

[pure garnet]

@shell void @steel stream this is the deep fry mode

[wise bear]

yes & no

[hoary hatch]

Could there be a path length issue with deleting files

[topaz veldt]

But watch the GN video its not even that involved, he just starts hitting every dish with a bat because he's not allowed in the clubhouse

[civic reef]

Try saying that 5 times quickly lol

Real loan really

[wise bear]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPWRW2JG

[fervent chasm]

thats still 4k120

[smoky orbit]

Oki doki

[fervent chasm]

lol

[civic reef]

Hopefully things work out

[low sorrel]

FUCKING AMAZON

[wise bear]

I have to have the CEC controller more downstream in the line so it's gpu>fiber stack>cec injector>tv
because having the cec controller before the fiber causes conflicts

so I got another 30ft active hdmi cable to just run usb to the cec controller

[low sorrel]

Haha cheaper in Canada

[smoky orbit]

Wishing you goody luck

[fervent chasm]

oh thats why you deleted it

[wise bear]

thats not detachable

[fervent chasm]

lol

[wise bear]

I got mine for when I get my forever home I can just easily run it in the wall

and if need be i can get longer fiber

cause its just om3

[low sorrel]

Fell for one of the classic blunders

[pure garnet]

these are good btw

i ran those on a viper v3 pro until i move to glass skates with my superstrike

[civic reef]

Ty girlyy :>

[pure garnet]

jerry you should get a superstrike

[low sorrel]

The first of the which is to never get involved in a land war with Asia and the second one slightly less well known is amazon

[low sorrel]

I don't even play FPSs anymore

Literally haven't booted up valorant or CS this month

[pure garnet]

ah yes the only 2 fps games

[low sorrel]

Yep

Only 2 revalvent ones

@steel stream hear me out

OLED but with a micro led backlight

[mighty frost]

Got the Club 3d, Euro 6.43from Euro 21.25

hehe

[worthy ridge]

thank you man finally a response , are they as good as the stocks?

[low sorrel]

Better

[shell void]

@teal orbit okay that's pretty clean

[low sorrel]

You could also buy glass dots

[shell void]

75WH in a 13" is solid

[worthy ridge]

ngl im done w glass skates in general, i think ptfes are good enough for me xd

[topaz veldt]

screen seemed mid

[shell void]

yeah matte edge lit LCD makes it a no-go for me

[pallid marsh]

Apple neo CPU vs framework base pro 13

[low sorrel]

@steel stream hop on arc tn I need to grind for expedition 3

[topaz veldt]

do the points and shit just keep stacking

so I'd get yet another 5 pts?

[muted matrix]

lol man linked in is blowing up about this ipv8. some calling it a scam, others saying 'now hold on a moment.." lol

[pallid marsh]

Did you find your airpods

[low sorrel]

Yes

[muted matrix]

let's see where this goes lol

[topaz veldt]

sigggghhhhh

@low sorrel do I get more stash space too?

[smoky orbit]

We’re already talking about ipv8??? We haven’t even properly implemented ipv6 yet

[devout ridge]

it's mostly a meme standard

[low sorrel]

Yes

[topaz veldt]

Linked In

[muted matrix]

yea somebody published something right after april 1st and some thought it was aprils fools. it's actually 64 bit, with an ip+asn combo per address

[smoky orbit]

I beg you

[topaz veldt]

hmmmmm

[devout ridge]

Do me a huge favor and compare M3 to M5 pro

[smoky orbit]

How about no

[muted matrix]

😆

[low sorrel]

Xp repair and scrappy buffs also stack

[topaz veldt]

I told myself I wouldn't do it again

[low sorrel]

@pallid marsh IT COSTS 100 BUCKS AFTER SHIPPING AND TAX FOR A FRAMEWORKS 13 BEZEL

ITS HUST A PIECE OF PLASTIC

[muted matrix]

@smoky orbit here's the killer, you have to implement it first on windows vista!

[topaz veldt]

sigh

[pure garnet]

ipv6 is a meme standard

[devout ridge]

what's the pre tax and shipping cost

[frail beacon]

Is the neo using the og A18 pro? Isn't it a slightly downgraded version of that?

[devout ridge]

last time i tried to hate on IPV6 in #networking i got yelled at

[gentle gale]

oof

[smoky orbit]

Yeah, with my ass

[gentle gale]

the x7 isn’t awfully priced compared to other higher end ptl laptops

[devout ridge]

Love you, i could not get the geekbench site to cooperate

[topaz veldt]

now do M3 max vs M5 Pro

[devout ridge]

coopa is now just geekbench score looker uper

[topaz veldt]

yes

[low sorrel]

60

[devout ridge]

i'm upgrading from an M3 MBA to a M5 pro MBP

[pallid marsh]

Wait I did the weak M5 pro not the strongest

[pallid marsh]

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-apple_m3_max_16_cpu_40_gpu-vs-apple_m5_pro_18_cpu_20_gpu.

[pallid marsh]

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-apple_m3-vs-apple_m5_pro_18_cpu_20_gpu with beefy 18 core

[devout ridge]

I was planning on get a M5 pro base spec chip, but i might consider the M5 pro high spec

[low sorrel]

@pure garnet I did Sudo pacman -syu and it kernal panicked after finishing installing and now arch is broken

[devout ridge]

fuck..........

I really should get the stronger chip

This went from a 2200usd purchase to a 2800usd purchase really quick

[pallid marsh]

God damn

[devout ridge]

Goddamnit, i really should just spend the 200usd more on the higher spec M5 pro

[topaz veldt]

but what do you plan on running that needs it - thats my issue in Apple ecosystem

[low sorrel]

You should upgrade the storage and ram

[devout ridge]

Using it for college, So computer engineering related software

I mostly want the increased performance so i can just buy the laptop once, and not worry about it for the next 4 years

[devout ridge]

already upgrading to 48gb of ram vs the base 24

[wise bear]

literally how every single one of my projects goes lmao

[devout ridge]

Cause it goes from "oh this should be good enough" to "well if i'm already spending X amount, I should spend Y more so i can just not have to worry about it"

[topaz veldt]

yeah I would be interested to know what they forecast there

[pallid marsh]

Apple should give me a commission for making you spend more

[devout ridge]

3usd commission

[spiral quarry]

In the class syllabus or just something with the program?

[devout ridge]

Recommendation for the program i'm going into, not a specific class requirement

[spiral quarry]

ah

[devout ridge]

I also kinda want the greater performance so i can use better render settings in vectorworks

my M3 MBA does not handle anything beyond potato settings well

[frail beacon]

my next laptop might be an ARM laptop if Windows makes the translation layer better (or probably Intel if Intel keeps releasing banger CPUs)

[spiral quarry]

My sound design for tv/film class had a recommended requirement

[pallid marsh]

Is this with the education discount?

[spiral quarry]

Originally I was like whatever until I started seeing those issues mentioned in the syllabus

[devout ridge]

2700usd with the education discount

[pallid marsh]

Almost rtx 5090 money

[spiral quarry]

Unfortunately yes lol

[hoary hatch]

Panther lake 👊

[frail beacon]

If I was buying a laptop now, I definitely would go with a panther lake one

[hoary hatch]

Yeah
Too bad I don't need a new laptop

[frail beacon]

Unfortunately I bought this Asus TUF 2 years ago. This is good for 3-4 more years so I am definitely not considering anything else

[hoary hatch]

My laptop needs have diminished significantly in the last 3 years

My m1 MBA will probably be fine till 2030

[frail beacon]

I was about to type that 2030 is so far away, but it's just a little over 3.5 years from now

[pallid marsh]

The $400 cheaper base M5 MacBook Air is 40% faster in single and multi core vs the framework 13 pro base both 16gb ram 512gb ssd. When will framework start being affordable

[hoary hatch]

Never

[frail beacon]

Unless they can scale their operations significantly, and reduce the number of options available, never

[hoary hatch]

Framework pricing only makes sense if you know you will keep it for as long as possible and swap out the motherboard over time

But the compare it to MacBook air where you can get some decent deals, replace it every 2-3 years and make some decent money back on selling the old one...yeah it's a tough sell from a pure value perspective

[devout ridge]

It's actually only 2600usd for the M5 pro max spec 48gb, 14in MBP with the education discount

[pallid marsh]

As a regular user the only pro I see with FW is the customizable ports

[devout ridge]

vs 2819usd without the discount

[hoary hatch]

I have like 0 interest in framework

[pallid marsh]

It's a great idea just too high of a premium over the competition

[frail beacon]

They are targeting entirely different consumers so I wouldn't say they are "competing" that much tbh

[spiral quarry]

framework has it's target, I am not one of them, but I do admire what they bring to the table

[frail beacon]

If you are planning to buy a laptop and are considering a Macbook Air, would you be considering Framework as well with a similar use-case in mind?

[pallid marsh]

Apples neo is super duper repairable and faster in single core at half the price

[frail beacon]

I am one of them but it is not available here yet, and I do not have the money for it-

[frail beacon]

But it's not upgradable

You have to be stuck with 8GB RAM in 2030s

[shell void]

totally different products IMO

$600 apple chromebook-type thing is not comparable to an intel X9 388H

[pallid marsh]

Even on windows HP I think started to do more repairable laptops

[spiral quarry]

Albeit if the smaller/med clients based companies I support for my mom's friend for IT consulting, the framework could have its place if budget is accounted for lol.

[smoky orbit]

*but has half the ram of the base spec of the framework and not an upgradable ssd, it’s super great for who it’s targeted at, not sure framework’s consumers are said target

[pallid marsh]

https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-chromebook-edition $999 FW flash back

[smoky orbit]

Oof

[frail beacon]

Windows laptops in general are really repairable and upgradable
Availability of parts might depend on which laptop you are buying, but the upgradability is great

I have a secondary m.2 slot so I was able to reuse the M.2 ssd I had in my desktop back at home. I am going to be upgrading my network chipset soon. I can also upgrade RAM if I sell my kidney

[spiral quarry]

Yea the HPs I've worked on are pretty repairable, parts are interchangable depending on generation

like the one previous etc

[shell void]

generally i find framework to be super overpriced, and im not sure why this SKU even exists, but the X7 358H and X9 388H options are a totally different class of product than a macbook neo

i think this U5 325 is a waste of time because it's so weak

[pallid marsh]

325 getting beat by phones

[spiral quarry]

Leads me to frankenstein some in the event the laptop is mission critical.

[gentle gale]

the x7 sku price isn’t terrible for a cnc laptop with haptic touchpad

[frail beacon]

If Windows OS improves like how they have promised, and if the RAM prices start to stabilise, and companies like Intel continue with stuff like Panther Lake, then Windows 12 is starting to look like it will be good for the OS.

[gentle gale]

the t14s g7 would be its main competitor but i’m willing to bet that’ll cost more than the fw

[young void]

My 2nd msi meg 1300 came with a A1250GL 12vpwr kinda weird but itll do

[pallid marsh]

https://www.newegg.com/lenovo-ideapad-5-touch-screen-amd-ryzen-ai-7-350-amd-radeon-860m-16gb-memory-1-tb-nvme-ssd-cosmic-blue/p/N82E16834840683 even if you upgrade your framework core, a semi eco friendly refurbished laptop is cheaper 499 vs 599 same CPU

[cosmic gazelle]

this is the issue i’ve had with framework

i’m all for sustainability and all that but their products price points make zero sense

[gentle gale]

unfortunately yeah

[cosmic gazelle]

Why can I buy a whole new laptop and pull the motherboard out of that for less than your motherboard costs lmao

obviously economy of scale but

they have to figure that out

[gentle gale]

i wouldn’t be opposed to the new 13” though. pretty decent pricing actually

[turbid locust]

The entire point of framework was simply to be more eco friendly. It was never meant to be cheaper lmao

[cosmic gazelle]

I wasn’t necessarily arguing for cheaper, I’d pay like, 20% more

their products are nearly twice the price as the cheapest equivalent

[pallid marsh]

Wonder what the eco math is buying refurbished vs framework

[devout ridge]

It basically has to be more expensive, you're essentially paying the green tax

[cosmic gazelle]

.

[edgy laurel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pretty-cool-cool

[turbid locust]

The example shown above is quite literally 20%

[cosmic gazelle]

?

it’s 20% more for a motherboard than an entire laptop costs tho

that’s not what i mean

[gentle gale]

i mean currently the cheapest 358H laptop is the ob7 16” for $1499

xps 14 is $2199

framework is $2099 if you buy the ssd, ram, and charger separately

[turbid locust]

Bruh lmfao

[pallid marsh]

Mobo with no ram or SSD too

[turbid locust]

the entire point of framework is that you’re not buying a whole entire laptop

[cosmic gazelle]

xps is a shitty deal tho to be fair

but the high end frameworks do seem like a better value overall

[gentle gale]

slim 7i ultra is going to cost similar lol

[edgy laurel]

LPCAMM2 tho. worth it

[turbid locust]

if your argument is “why buy framework mobo when other laptop cheaper” you are not frameworks target audience lmfao

[cosmic gazelle]

you’re strawmanning when i’ve already explained my argument

[gentle gale]

nobody else has x7/9 skus with 32gb under $2000

acer has one with 16gb for some reason

[turbid locust]

k

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah this seems like the distinction, intel x3 is a million times better than ryzen ai 3 for the money it seems like

[turbid locust]

the real option for budget laptops right now is simply the Neo

Unless you specifically need windows for some reason, Neo is the choice

[pallid marsh]

Can't wait for schools to upgrade Chromebooks to neos

[cosmic gazelle]

looks pretty foolproof to emulate arm windows on it as well if you like really desperately need to run a windows application

[turbid locust]

The only thing I can’t over with the Neo is the size

But they’ll never make a 15” version cause why buy an Air atp

[cosmic gazelle]

i got my laptop for around the same price as the neo and i’d rather have mine

that said it’s not going to have the fit and finish at that price point

but i have zen 4 and an aluminum frame for $660

[turbid locust]

#1 priority for me in a laptop is battery life

if I have to plug it into a wall to do any meaningful work fuck it

[cosmic gazelle]

yeah my laptop will play youtube for like 7 hours so not the greatest

[turbid locust]

this is the main reason I didnt get deep into gaming handhelds

[cosmic gazelle]

https://youtu.be/-XB0NGf1Vc0?si=Z_zWz7WipJpJgqsc i have this but incidentally without the screen that the title is based on lol

[turbid locust]

the battery life just isn’t there

[pure garnet]

my steam deck can only offer me ~7h runtime on a snes game

[cosmic gazelle]

what snes game do you play

[turbid locust]

yeah I had a steam deck and emulated GBA games a good bit limited to like 15W and was still disappointed in the battery life

God forbid you play anything even mildly demanding

Battery life goes to like an hour and a half

[cosmic gazelle]

i specifically got the ryzen 5 and LCD version of my laptop for battery life and I’m not dissatisfied but it’s the 45w sku so when you push it hard without bios power caps it will die in 90 minutes

[spiral quarry]

Lol for a second I read gaming headsets . But yea same here, gaming really is less frequent for me now.

[pallid marsh]

Guys I get geekbench favors apple cpus , but is the r7 7735u really this shit

[spiral quarry]

I have steam open, but haven't opened a game in a month.

[cosmic gazelle]

i’d rather have a pc with a tv mounted above my bed than a gaming handheld personally

[turbid locust]

I still game a lot, just desktop

[cosmic gazelle]

it’s a u sku dawg

[edgy laurel]

I don't want to play PC games on a tiny screen. Makes the decision easy.

[cosmic gazelle]

single thread is quite a lot worse

[pallid marsh]

I don't have amds decoder wheel what that mean

[cosmic gazelle]

multi is quite a lot better

[cosmic gazelle]

half the power limit

[edgy laurel]

Also in my life, the times i'm not at home it wouldn't make sense to be using a gaming handheld. I'm not at home for a reason and usually focused on whatever that is.

[cosmic gazelle]

see passmark screenshot above

[pallid marsh]

Ah

[cosmic gazelle]

the reason i’d assume the multi core scored this well for the a18 is that geekbench is an extremely low-thermal benchmark typically

where passmark or something else is going to cause the a18 to instantly throttle

the single threaded performance being nearly double is bullshit though

[pure garnet]

ff6

[cosmic gazelle]

fire

[low sorrel]

why am i imagining master chef using a steam deck at their grandmas house

[cosmic gazelle]

master chief? might I ask what you’re doing with that device?

mining for diamonds, sir

[frail beacon]

Debatable
It is true if battery life and build quality is your main concern

But 8GB ram will be a bottleneck a few years down the line

[cosmic gazelle]

eh

macos ability to use swap helps a lot

4gb macs run sonoma very smoothly

[frail beacon]

Chromebooks are like 100USDs? and can be replaced easily. Students are not going to be handling their devices safely so I doubt all schools will move to the Neos. Some might, but Chromebook will still be the champion in this

[frail beacon]

Well, they're also not providing that much storage for the price. 256 in 2026 seems really less

[cosmic gazelle]

well i imagine things would be different in an era where 512gb ssds didn’t cost 70 bucks

[gentle gale]

256 is honestly fine for your average student

[low sorrel]

the macbook neo is sold out

[gentle gale]

that probably uses cloud storage

[low sorrel]

was

[cosmic gazelle]

i have i think 512gb in my laptop? can't remember but i could honestly do 128 if i didn't have to run games in class lmao

[frail beacon]

I'm not saying it is a bad laptop. It is pretty good value for the money. But it has a specific target audience. I liked the way MKBHD described it.

[gentle gale]

the target audience is basically anyone that needs a good basic laptop

[cosmic gazelle]

not a super specific target audience when said audience is approximately 80% of computer users lmao

[gentle gale]

so like the majority of non-techies lol

[cosmic gazelle]

your average joe can literally use a like, sandy bridge i5 for their daily tasks and not notice the difference

[pure garnet]

it's less that that neo has a small audience and more the second you watch a review before buying a laptop you're likely not the neo's main buyer

[frail beacon]

That's the thing
I might not game today, but I love having the opportunity to be able to game on it when I want to.

I only had 512GB SSD in my laptop. I installed an additional 512GB ssd so that I can play the big games. I could have done that in 512 itself if I was just playing the normal games. But now I installed Microsoft Flight simulator and that itself is taking up 300gigs of storage.

So having that option where if I want to do it at some point in the future, I am not restricted by my hardware is nice.

[low sorrel]

@misty magnet I finally got around to watching your lie in april and now im depressed

[pure garnet]

yeah this is not what the average laptop buying is doing though

the average neo buyer is likely served entirely through chrome

[frail beacon]

Yeah they're definitely not doing that.
As the other dude said, an average laptop user definitely will not notice the difference at all.

My point is that it has it's pros and cons. "the real option for budget laptops right now is simply the Neo" is the point I was disagreeing with. If you are on a tight budget, but you have other priorities, then neo is not a good option. It is good for browsing and many other basic tasks

[cosmic gazelle]

ooh i just found out about how they will sell you a case to turn your old motherboard into a server

now THAT's some cool shit

[pure garnet]

i mean what is the neo not doing besides gaming?

at $499 from the education store nothing else is beating it price/performance let alone build quality

[cosmic gazelle]

nothing NEW is beating it price/performance

important caveat

[low sorrel]

CAD

[pallid marsh]

They are way more than $100 for new current gen

[pure garnet]

ah yes the main task of a $500 laptop buyer

[teal orbit]

I really wanna do the pro upgrade but that'd be like buying an entire new laptop
I'm hoping panther lake will make the 61 Wh be fine, and then I might buy the pro input cover for the haptic trackpad, then that's it

[frail beacon]

Well, schools get it at a major discount

[brave panther]

there is something beating it, a neo with a thermal pad

[gentle gale]

“it is good for browsing and many other basic tasks”

aka what the majority of people need a laptop to do

[pallid marsh]

it can play some aaa games and it has ray tracing too

[low sorrel]

also cannot run an ai model

[fervent chasm]

if they actually added cooling it would be not bad

[cosmic gazelle]

woah, ai 7 350 laptops are only $400 used now

[pure garnet]

jerry you may not be the sharpest

[cosmic gazelle]

that's actually less than i thought

[fervent chasm]

but because it thermal throttles so fast its not good

[frail beacon]

The biggest pro about it is also one of it's biggest cons. It is part of the Apple ecosystem.

[gentle gale]

what?

[fervent chasm]

what?

[gentle gale]

you can use a mac and not use an iphone lol

[low sorrel]

nuh uh i have a 4k 27" monitor it's very sharp

[frail beacon]

I dislike the walled garden that's it
If you use iPhones already, then you're going to have an amazing experience with it's integration with the iPhones (which is a major Pro). But because it is part of that, you might not have that same experience if you are using a non apple phone.

Even pixels had to reverse engineer some stuff to make Air Drop work with macs.

[gentle gale]

i know lots of people with android phones and macs

[spiral quarry]

lol I was one of those for a while

[fervent chasm]

is air drop really the deal breaker here? lol

[pallid marsh]

Is this not enough?

[low sorrel]

i was a person with airpods and android phone until yesterday

[fervent chasm]

obviously not from the benchmarks lol

[low sorrel]

also do yall know where i can buy an airpods pro 2 case

[frail beacon]

That wasn't my point. I meant that if you have an Apple device already, your experience will be much better than with a non-Apple device. It's not like a deal breaker or anything but the ecosystem should be more open.

[gentle gale]

your experience will be good regardless what

[pure garnet]

what does google reverse engineering something have to do with the neo

[pallid marsh]

The non metal heatsink is very powerful

[frail beacon]

Uhh no but such features should not be "exclusives". They should work across devices.

[pure garnet]

you can’t open an ecosystem it just wouldn’t be an ecosystem then

the macbook isn’t locked down if you wanted to write an alternative operating system you could

[fervent chasm]

i think the issue is the expectation of apple to develop stuff that isnt for their own products

[frail beacon]

I am talking about it "relatively". Im not saying that anyone's experience is going to be bad.

[gentle gale]

which they don’t have to

[low sorrel]

Welll

[gentle gale]

why should apple develop airdrop for windows? their competitor

[low sorrel]

Doesn't airdrop work on android now?

[gentle gale]

on some pixel/samsung devices yes

[frail beacon]

No the expectation of Apple is to use stuff like RCS instead of keeping people locked out with degraded features, and also having a different coloured bubble when texting

[gentle gale]

rcs exists on iphone

[fervent chasm]

it does use rcs

since ios 18

[gentle gale]

not apples fault people prefer imessage 🤷‍♂️

[low sorrel]

It uses radar cross section

do people actually care about green bubbles

like i've never had it once come up

[frail beacon]

Google reverse engineered it after some EU regulation iirc. You need to keep it open to "everyone" for 10 minutes

[gentle gale]

people who are under like 16 sure

[low sorrel]

I also don't use sms

I just use discord and insta these days

[gentle gale]

same

[fervent chasm]

wait yah i didnt even see ricky mention the bubble, why do you care what color it is

[low sorrel]

idk it never came up back then either

everyone asked for snapchat insta or discord

[frail beacon]

Now, yes
But I meant that Apple should be more ready to use things which help make it easier for people to communicate.

Apple "doesnt have to do it" is a good argument from Apple's side. But from a consumer's perspective, it's good for everything to just work with each other using a common protocol. How it is presented can be different but the underlying architecture must be same.

[pure garnet]

what does any of this have to do with the macbook neo

[smoky orbit]

yes

[frail beacon]

I'm also wondering that
We've deviated so much off topic

and it is 0230 here so I am going to sleep

I will reply to anything tomorrow

[fervent chasm]

because you could airdrop to macs with apple but not android devices, lol

[young void]

[low sorrel]

then someone mentioned rcs

[scarlet arch]

where are you exactly

[low sorrel]

fun fact you can just use imessage anyways on android if you have a mac

[frail beacon]

I am in front of my laptop
I am from India

[spiral quarry]

I’ve mostly used discord for group projects lol.

[scarlet arch]

both are correct

[low sorrel]

dude insta groupchats suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[spiral quarry]

Though atm it’s been text group chats for the last two since some don’t frequently use discord

[gentle gale]

acting like alternatives don’t exist lol

[devout ridge]

airdrop from phone to mac is beautiful

I've airdropped some pretty big files and the transfer is pretty fast as well

It's also just so convenient

[spiral quarry]

client called saying they’re setting up a new router Verizon sent out and fucked up the rest of the network without calling me or anyone that support them remotely

Time to have some fun lol

[teal orbit]

Localsend is pretty decent as an alternative if you don't have an iPhone for airdrop

[steel stream]

I have an exam on thursday

[low sorrel]

nerd

get on fridsy

[steel stream]

two papers due lol

[low sorrel]

uh saturday

[steel stream]

3 finals next week

busy bee rn

[pallid marsh]

@low sorrel what's the update on airpods

[scarlet arch]

K-9 didn't help

[low sorrel]

k-9 ate the case /s

[scarlet arch]

my condolences

[steel stream]

go throw hands with it

[scarlet arch]

Or wait for the case to come out naturally

[steel stream]

that takes too long

[scarlet arch]

Perform a traumatizing puppet show and take the case out?

[hoary hatch]

Sounds cool
Not enough to tie me into an ecosystem, but cool nonetheless

[hoary hatch]

Finalfinalfinal.akn

[steel stream]

it is my final week on earth

after my parents see my GPA

[late atlas]

I'd be sad for this week to be my final on earth with current ram prices

I at least want my grandkids to have reasonably priced ram 💔

[fervent chasm]

are you dying or something

[pallid marsh]

Put me in your will

[late atlas]

No but akn is

[late atlas]

Sure, what's your name

[pallid marsh]

Cooper

[late atlas]

Done

Cooper you're in my will

You can get my m.2 ssds

[pallid marsh]

Poggies

[merry stirrup]

@shell void doritos blazin buffalo any good? you fw food

[pallid marsh]

I think I had them but I don't remember if they were good

I think they were mid if I recall right

The naked puffs are fire though

[merry stirrup]

i got myself a bag of turbos instead then

[late atlas]

Turbos

[merry stirrup]

turbos

[late atlas]

With this angle of the picture, you look like you have like 3 fingered alien hands

Are we sure you're human?

[merry stirrup]

my hands just oook like that

[hoary hatch]

What in the knock off Takis is this

[steel stream]

it just looks like he has a long ass thumb

[merry stirrup]

they’re the same brand homie pretty sure 💀😭

[steel stream]

they must be italian they look like pasta

[late atlas]

What's your typing speed like with them hands

[merry stirrup]

~120

[late atlas]

Thought it might be above 100

[late atlas]

It literally cost him 4 dollars wdym Italian

[merry stirrup]

3.99 aint bad

[fervent chasm]

i hate these

worst flavored hot chips out there

[steel stream]

they look like fusilli pasta

[merry stirrup]

you are lying to yourself

[fervent chasm]

fuck no i had them once never again

[merry stirrup]

they taste like takis seasoning and lime

[fervent chasm]

ngl i be eating the dollar store takis these are so good

[fervent chasm]

no they do not

[merry stirrup]

fieras 😭

[late atlas]

Canadian?

[merry stirrup]

usd

[fervent chasm]

theyre actually good, its way cheaper than a big bag

[late atlas]

That's a fucking scam

4 dollars for a bag of whatever is too expensive, unless cocaine

[fervent chasm]

its like $2.50 for 2 bags thats equal to a big bag of takis

[merry stirrup]

i usually keeep a big bag for like 2-3 days so its not that deep to me

yeah if the dollar store was close maybe id use your methods

[fervent chasm]

well mine is like a 2 minute drive

so i dont mind i go when i do groceries shopping

theres actually 2 near me so if one ran out i go to the other lol

[merry stirrup]

neat lokwey

[fervent chasm]

i always get those or the um

spicy sunflower seeds

idk why i like them so much

[merry stirrup]

i got me some monsters and chippies

[fervent chasm]

i dont like monsters either

my gf put me on alanis and theyre ok

[steel stream]

I get meijer brand potato chips and meijer brand french onion dip 🐐

[fervent chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/aurora-minding-her-business-gif-5427639855366489667

[merry stirrup]

mid and overly expensive

[fervent chasm]

she gets like 35% off from working at target

[steel stream]

isn't Alani the Kim K one

[fervent chasm]

thats why we get them

its kinda wild, she gets half off of groceries also

[steel stream]

yeah they are

[merry stirrup]

interesting

[fervent chasm]

so we either shop target or aldis

[steel stream]

wait you get half off at Aldi too?

[fervent chasm]

no, its just overall cheap there

[steel stream]

I was about to say, an additional 50% off at aldi, you could get enough food for a week for like $15

[fervent chasm]

we got a bunch of drumsticks for like $5 total when they were on clearance/discount/whatever because they expired in the next few days or something

made them the same day and i love drumsticks

[steel stream]

Meijer needs to have a clearance section I'd be shopping there all the time

except it's just candles and picture frames on clearance

[fervent chasm]

i grew up poor so even now everytime we go shopping i just look for whats the best deal

lol

[merry stirrup]

man i cant say what i wanted to say

[fervent chasm]

what did you say, restarded?

i couldnt see it all

oh its gone again

[merry stirrup]

yeah

[steel stream]

I just buy whatever protein is on sale

[merry stirrup]

cant do it a third time thats the no no number

[steel stream]

didn't see it

[fervent chasm]

neither did i lol

[steel stream]

use your words floppa

[merry stirrup]

cucumber and some (returned) rubbers on the shelf 🔥

[fervent chasm]

just spell it like s to the p to the e to the l to the l

[pure garnet]

guards smite down this flop

[merry stirrup]

NO PLEASE

[fervent chasm]

oh lol you did try to say that

[merry stirrup]

IM A GOOD FLOPPER

[fervent chasm]

why is that word filtered

its not even a bad word

[steel stream]

that's the walmart clearance section I think

[merry stirrup]

accidentally joined copilot voice

[steel stream]

cucumber?

[fervent chasm]

the other word for rubbers

[merry stirrup]

if you get insanely lucky you can find clearance gpus at walmart from online prucahses

cuz you can just take it back to a store yk

but they have no idea what to do with it

[fervent chasm]

lol have you seen those videos where they buy like plushes with freaky stuff in them

[steel stream]

yeah I see posts about it and it pisses me off, why do other people get nice things

[merry stirrup]

yeah thats why i look still 😭

my homie gone bro

[steel stream]

i just don't go to walmart

[fervent chasm]

bro my internet is so bad rn the latency between me sending and discord recieving the messages is wild

[merry stirrup]

go downstairs and theres just nothing

[fervent chasm]

its like multiple seconds

[steel stream]

le new goon cave

[fervent chasm]

im on fiber

[merry stirrup]

speaking of i get fiber on the 28th

3 gbit up down
70$ monthly lifetime

[steel stream]

the closest grocery stores are meijer (8 minutes), and kroger (5 minutes). Anything else is like 15 minutes and not worth it

[merry stirrup]

fair

midwest demon

[steel stream]

I live in a decently populated spot, just a weird spot I guess

[merry stirrup]

nah just local stores are weird

[fervent chasm]

I have a jewel 0.7 miles from me

FairPlay 0.6 miles

There’s a lot actually

We got lucky with where we moved to

Right next to multiple plazas

It’s not that large of a town either

[steel stream]

I wish I was within walking distance of some local grocer, but I am within walking distance of a liquor store so it's ok

[turbid locust]

There’s like 3 Walmarts near me and none of them have a tech section it’s bullshit

[merry stirrup]

yeah do you have superstores?

[steel stream]

I go to the liquor store when I want Ben and Jerry's ice cream, I don't drink

[merry stirrup]

if theyre just normal walmarst thats why

[turbid locust]

Like one across the city

[merry stirrup]

yeah you need a supersto

[turbid locust]

supasto’

[merry stirrup]

supa sto

[steel stream]

supasto fs fs

[fervent chasm]

I have a supercenter 4 miles away too

And 5 miles away

[merry stirrup]

i have a 9600x now guys

[steel stream]

me and the homies pulling up to the wally world supa sto'

[steel stream]

oh nice

[turbid locust]

Correct

[steel stream]

what are you going to use it for

[merry stirrup]

kinda trade deal between the last roomie, got that and his 3070

[merry stirrup]

gonna give it to another homie who has a 7500F and get that back for my mom to get her off am4

[steel stream]

fuck you warship

[low sorrel]

HEY WHATS WRONG WITH AM4

[steel stream]

unironically in high school, me and friends would just go to walmarts and meijers to mess around for fun, not much else to do in michigan

[merry stirrup]

garbage

[steel stream]

dope dope dope

[turbid locust]

yeah same in the middle of nowhere KY lmao

but at the Walmart

the singular Walmart

[steel stream]

yeah I think we had just the one

the meijer was next door though so that was nice

[merry stirrup]

somewhat idk if she even needs it i may skip it entirely, we'll see

now that shes on ITX i have way less incentive to do anything ccause board pricing

her current 5500 may be okay enough

[steel stream]

honestly, I think you just leave it alone unless she complains about it

[merry stirrup]

im thinkin so

she did before i got her the 3070 but now that she has that the game runs at full 60fps in 4k

+dlss broken so, its fire

girlfriend upgrade when i buy kyokos crap

stupid idiot kyoko i hate you

[spiral quarry]

[steel stream]

real

[wraith steeple]

Same here... And I live in the fucking city

[steel stream]

yup yup lol