tech-chat-1

[tulip sparrow]

@tall sandal normally yes

[tidal geyser]

taxes are less

[tall sandal]

Yea I’ve noticed it, it’s significantly cheaper

[tidal geyser]

significantly cheaper?

[tall sandal]

It is

[gritty panther]

yes

[tulip sparrow]

@tidal geyser also places tend to have sales such as best buy

[gritty panther]

much cheaper. source: me. i grew up in south east asia

[tidal geyser]

everywhere has sales 😐

[jaunty apex]

I think that's moreso good luck and bad market conditions ngl

[gritty panther]

pro tip: best time to buy a Laptop is blackfriday at bestbuy

[tall sandal]

I’ve seen it on Amazon US its a lot cheaper

[tall sandal]

Similar in the UK

It’s more expensive here too

[tidal geyser]

keep in mind in the US taxes is after while in europe higher taxes and ofc its on the shelf price is already taxed

[tall sandal]

Compared to Amazon USA

[gritty panther]

best buy deals on black friday is insane.

[tulip sparrow]

Yeah got a $900+ Lenovo Yogs for $650 myself AMD 8840HS and 16gb of ram and a 1tb ssd

[tall sandal]

Still I will be a given a certain amount of money potentially by someone. A deal

It’s a fixed budget.

[gritty panther]

got a $950 G14 2023 3 years ago. ryzen 9 7940HS, 16gb (upgradable to 32) 1TB SSD 4060 laptop (130w) on black friday.

[tall sandal]

So yea, taxes don’t mean anything to me at this age. I’m a university student

[tidal geyser]

you still pay em?

[tulip sparrow]

Eveything is bloody taxed in the US

[tidal geyser]

cant just say no thnaks at checkout

[tall sandal]

I dont live in USA

[tidal geyser]

*1st world

[gritty panther]

everything get taxed in the Philippines too. we got VAT over there. and it's not worth it lol

[tidal geyser]

is there a country without electronics sales tax

[tulip sparrow]

Pretty sure the only taxes I pay since I am on SSI is the post payment taxes on things

[tall sandal]

Wait so is the tax not including the price shown?

[drowsy isle]

I would wait for the steam frame though no official word on price yet but never know if it ends up being a better buy than the meta quest 3 or meta cuts prices on the 3

[gritty panther]

atleast here in the US I get it back during tax return season lol

[queen trout]

Fractal northhhh

[tall sandal]

Is it added on at checkout?

I don’t see this much in the UK

[tidal geyser]

in the US yea?

[tulip sparrow]

AKA my fixed income of sub $1k a month isn't taxes but I pay taxes when I purchase things

[tall sandal]

Yea

[proud hound]

Sales tax in US is a state level thing

[tall sandal]

In the us it’s like that right?

[proud hound]

So Oregon doesn’t have sales tax

[tidal geyser]

o wow

[tulip sparrow]

No taxes aren't calulated in the price of things here in the US

[gritty panther]

not included. your $2000 Galaxy Fold 7 will be $2200+ at checkout

[tulip sparrow]

AKA the price you see on the shelf is NOT the final price of an item

[gritty panther]

atleast here in California

[tall sandal]

Ahh

[tulip sparrow]

the state tax applies at checkout

[hollow sorrel]

Which is dumb

[tidal geyser]

anyhow in europe and countries that were once part of it, the price on shelves or online are the price you will pay

[tulip depot]

Going to be my first vr headset 100%, I have 100s of games on steam and being able to play them on the go with the frame would be nice

[tall sandal]

Here it’s called VAT

[gritty panther]

I moved from a country that has VAT so I was used to it

[tulip sparrow]

the tax percentage depends on state

[tall sandal]

It’s already included in the price shown, not at checkout collected

That’s why I was confused. I get it now

[gritty panther]

California is heaven compared to Philippines 😄

[tall sandal]

But it’s horrible

Turns out it’s 20%, that’s why things feel cheaper in USA. Even the tax I think is less in USA

So it’s still actually cheaper even including sales tax

[tulip sparrow]

but then most vat is 20%+ for you comapred to sub 10% for state tax

[tidal geyser]

yup

[gritty panther]

stupid VAT. it's on top of the usual tax

[drowsy isle]

I'm forced to sell my quest 3s since best buy is only giving me $95 back when I paid $300

[tidal geyser]

25% here in Norway

[tidal geyser]

swear there are full fat quest 3 for like 200$ or less on ebay

so yea makes sense

[tulip sparrow]

In the US state tax isa between 0-10%

[gritty panther]

I honestly didnt like that the Frame didnt have colored passthrough lol

I ultimately decided to just keep the Quest 3. the upgrade is not big enough

[tall sandal]

Outside the US in the uk where I live it’s included

In the price shown. That’s why it feels more expensive

[jaunty apex]

Apparently it can be added at least

[tall sandal]

But it is still more expensive even accounting for tax in USA

But can’t do anything about it, I don’t live in the us

[tulip sparrow]

aka some states don't pay a tax at checkout

[tidal geyser]

is it a upgrade?

[tall sandal]

I mean I do have family, but still

[stray portal]

If you dont have one already then a steam deck is a much better choice

[gritty panther]

asterisk* it doesnt exist yet so who knows.

[drowsy isle]

but this was a return, which returns are suppose to give me 100% back, and there should be no restocking fee as I iddn't even sign a waiver either

[stray portal]

Vr headsets get frustrating to use after a while

[gritty panther]

but the frame has a type c port on the front and it's through pcie right

crazy. love valve products

[tidal geyser]

the only thing the frames have over the quest 3 that is at least massive would be eye tracking

[tall sandal]

dell bought back XPS

[gritty panther]

and standalone PCVR games.

[tidal geyser]

i never understand returns

[jaunty apex]

Usually I'd agree, but the thing does run Linux and they expose connections for addons

[tall sandal]

so dell premium is gone right

[gritty panther]

it has a translation layer like Proton on the steam deck

[tidal geyser]

quest 3 is native

[gritty panther]

dont get me wrong. If I didnt have the Quest 3 Id get it without even blinking lol

I should've just stayed with the Quest 2. that was fine too

[stray portal]

But then quest 3 only plays mobile games by itself

[tulip depot]

You can also play your steam library both flat screen games and vr games

[gritty panther]

I never really use it as native

99% im just wireless PCVR

[stray portal]

Also the quest 3 price is kinda misleading you need to add atleast 100 dollars worth of accesories to make it bearable

[gritty panther]

Meta doesnt like me that much. I never bought software lol

[tulip depot]

But I'd have to rebuy all my games

[jaunty apex]

Im jumping ship soon as I can afford the frame. I never wanted a Facebook product in the first place

[tidal geyser]

no

[tulip sparrow]

Yeah Quest 3 can do both native vr games and PCVR

[tall sandal]

Dam I literally just found out about MKBD speeding

I’m so late to this lmao

[tidal geyser]

i can play portal 1 on my phone, is it a phone game then?

[jaunty apex]

My headset is still on like v73

[gritty panther]

Quest 3 can do both btw(

[tall sandal]

Just yesterday I found out

[gritty panther]

PCVR and Standalone. and they both work well

but afaik Steam Frame will be better. more wifi antennas etc.

[tidal geyser]

or subnatica, it both has a pc only and phone only version like many quest 3 games

[stray portal]

Quest 3 is kinda stinky for pcvr only very good way is through steam link

[tulip sparrow]

You are real late to that info @tall sandal LOL

[jaunty apex]

Warframe is a phone game

[tall sandal]

Yea fr

[gritty panther]

very wrong lol. never heard of Virtual Desktop?

[tall sandal]

someone left LTT right

[tidal geyser]

thought that was like 2 years ago

[gritty panther]

I've been using Wireless VR since day 1. it works flawlessly

[stray portal]

Thats paid

[tidal geyser]

many

[gritty panther]

yes it's worth it.

[tulip depot]

Already have a switch 2 which I never use, I just want to get into vr gaming

[tulip sparrow]

@tall sandal several people at this point

[jaunty apex]

ALVR is free and open source

[gritty panther]

PCVR isn't cheap.

[tidal geyser]

20$ for a like 300-400$ headset

[tall sandal]

The video yesterday

[tidal geyser]

and then 2000$+ pc

[tall sandal]

You guys have seen it, explaining why he left LTT

[tidal geyser]

you are so late to the party

[tall sandal]

Jake

[gritty panther]

AV1 10 bit works amazing if you have RTX 4/5xxx gpu

[stray portal]

Ah then dont get a quest, steam frame would be ideal since its valve hardware but you can also look into the psvr2 + pc adaptor or vive headsets

[gritty panther]

if you have AMD you're screwed 😄

[jaunty apex]

I haven't seen it still. Saw it posted but haven't finished it, got busy

[hollow sorrel]

Who?

[tall sandal]

I’m a casual viewer of LTT

[jaunty apex]

HVEC is fine

[gritty panther]

9070xt/9070 works great

[drowsy isle]

Yep horizon link has treated me terribly now I can't even connect wirelessy anymore for a few days wired and wireless weren't working until they fixed it with an update

[tall sandal]

Jake made a video why he left LTT

[hollow sorrel]

Ohhh I see

Didn't he go to do a car channel

[jaunty apex]

He's got a couple

[tidal geyser]

wat

[tulip sparrow]

That was Alex and Andy with the Car channel

[tidal geyser]

wat, works great

on my XTX

[stray portal]

Meta just wiped my account one day for no reason and didnt respond to me for over a year, they only responded a week before my account wouldve been permanently deleted but they lied saying it got unwiped

[tall sandal]

Why is intel core ultra 9 285k performance behind in games compared to AMD

[gritty panther]

I am not sure

[tidal geyser]

have you tested with one?

[stray portal]

All my games lost, my headset bricked i had to factory reset but it was just never the same after that

[gritty panther]

XTX encoder/decoder is kinda poop

[tidal geyser]

h264*

[sleek ibex]

I'm surprised to have found out I'm older than Jake

[tall sandal]

Cinebench scores are similar, but that doesn’t mean everything

[frigid blade]

AMD what

[stray portal]

I got a psvr2 but now i somewhat regret it, shouldve gone for a pimax or vive

[tall sandal]

Top end chip

[gritty panther]

only one way to find out

[tidal geyser]

benchmarks show h265 and av1 are fine

[tulip sparrow]

Pretty sure I am older then most people at LMG including Linus

[tall sandal]

9950X3D

Intels top consumer chip is ultra 9 285k

[tulip sparrow]

I use a mix of ALVR and Meta Link personally

Dpending on if I can be assed to start up ALVR LOL

[drowsy isle]

I was thinking of those high end ones but I like the ability to just put on my vr headset and just game without needing to set up anything

Which is why I went with meta

[tidal geyser]

X3D

[stray portal]

meta meta u need to setup accounts and other things

[jaunty apex]

I think all headsets have some sort of setup

[stray portal]

Vive has also inside out so no setup, pimax is also good

[tall sandal]

Yes but why

[stray portal]

But if ur willing to save up for the frame then go for it ig

[tall sandal]

What makes intel perform worse in games

[gritty panther]

you might need a Steam account for the Frame lol

[tidal geyser]

well X3D as in more cache

cache is everything for gaming

[tall sandal]

Ahh I see

[drowsy isle]

which are simple if you already have fb or IG accounts did mine in less than 5 minutes, connected my headset o my pc and started gaming

[stray portal]

duh how else would u play steam games? Everyone has a steam account tho

[tall sandal]

That’s the part I missed

[stray portal]

Also for pcvr u have to install other bs apps

[jaunty apex]

I'd imagine you can flash some other OS on it if someone decides to fork Bazzite or something for it worst case

[gritty panther]

it's the double standard. if valve does it it's fine. but if it's meta it's evil. I try to avoid this mentality and try to be as fair as possible

[tall sandal]

I was of the mindset cinebench scores tell you everything

[stray portal]

When i got my quest 2 it was forced facebook account

[tall sandal]

Now I realise it’s not the case.

[tulip depot]

Gabe can do no wrong

[tulip sparrow]

Onlything you have to really install is Steam VR LOL

[gritty panther]

Valve is nowhere near perfect but that's fine

[stray portal]

valve does the bare minimum how do u expect the headset to get ur steam games if u dont sign in with steam

[gritty panther]

very human. not ran by AI /j

[stray portal]

That with steam link, but for doing it the meta approved way u need the meta desktop vr app

[jaunty apex]

The issue for me is one is an open platform, you have the whole OS exposed for you. Meta doesn't like it when your headset is offline.

[tulip sparrow]

Unless you mean for something like the Quest for PCVR then yeah you need either ALVR or VD but thats about it

[gritty panther]

The Quest 3 is VERY cheap for the hardware you're getting. small price to pay. I actually think they don't like me very much. they expected to make the money back with software sales. Im just purely PCVR so they lost money on me lol

[stray portal]

And then spend another 100 for usable headstrap and such

[tulip sparrow]

Meta does give you diagnose software and the ability to tweak things with it

[wispy thunder]

But here's the issue - 7000 series are now mostly stable, 9000 series has not been for nearly a year I think now?

[gritty panther]

got a cheap kiwi design with battery for like $45

[jaunty apex]

Reddit being helpful as usual lol

[gritty panther]

you dont have to overpay. use your noodle hehe

[wispy thunder]

And AMD is still failing to fix the issues, why keep buying the latest for it to fail?

[drowsy isle]

I can't even delete videos that I recorded offline without an internet connection on the 3s

[tulip sparrow]

This thing comes in handy for tweaking things

[jaunty apex]

That's fair. But for me the price is the only thing it's got going for it atp. I block connections to meta and the hardware is just inferior. Headset is alright but the controllers side by side? No contest

[gritty panther]

Buy Virtual Desktop for PCVR. highly recommended

[tulip sparrow]

There is one option you can change that really makes a difference

Can't remember what it was

Something about FOV i think?

[drowsy isle]

I was thinking about it but since I'm getting the steam frame I think it'd be a waste but using horizon link is painful when it decides to not work

[gritty panther]

you probably wont need it with steam frame

[jaunty apex]

And people have been bashing headset updates for a long time, I think they are starting to get more stable finally but for a long while it sounded like all woes

[tidal geyser]

you 100% will

[gritty panther]

but if you do have a Quest 3 I highly recommend it. Join virtual desktop discord server. a lot of helpful people there

[gritty panther]

I was thinking it would be native Steam VR lol

[tulip depot]

Wait so you have to buy virtual desktop for $15 on steam and $35 on meta horizon to do pc vr?

[tidal geyser]

native 4k translated games on a midrange phone cpu

[gritty panther]

you only buy it once. you download the streamer app on their website

[tidal geyser]

no only on quest

also WTF 35 i swear i bought it for 15

[gritty panther]

is it $35? I couldve sworn it was $10 when I bought it

[rigid fjord]

a couple non-x3d also

[gritty panther]

right?? wtf

did they have a big price increase?

[drowsy isle]

In the meta os it's $25 not $35

[tidal geyser]

i am DAM sure nothing but X3Ds beat the 285k

[tidal geyser]

its a one time buy so i dono

[gritty panther]

I bought it years ago lol. I dont even remember

I probably bought it with the Rift S

[plain cypress]

Amtrak outside of the northeast corridor is just bad

[plucky lodge]

kek

[drowsy isle]

yeah they did it's $25

[gritty panther]

there is a standalone game that I play a lot

Thrill of the FIght lol. Love boxing games

been boxing since I was 11 yrs old.

it's a good workout. that game will kill you if you're not in shape lol

[rigid fjord]

7700x/9700x better than it for many games tbh dude

[tidal geyser]

this feels like before 200s boost or whatever its called

[tulip sparrow]

You want to change the FOV Tangent Mulitpler when using the Quest 3 to something like 0.8-0.9

[rigid fjord]

the application optimization, you mean?

[drowsy isle]

what's the name? it's not on steam?

[hexed tapir]

Damn*

[tidal geyser]

that too but no bios update or something that did improve performance by a bit

[drowsy isle]

wait nvm you said it

[tidal geyser]

nono dam

[hexed tapir]

That's for water

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dam-damn-gif-27530020

[tidal geyser]

its what im talking about

[rigid fjord]

jean claude van damme

[lavish spire]

Is JetKVM good/the best? any other suggestions?

[tulip sparrow]

the ultra cpus are worse then 14th/13th gen LOL

[lavish spire]

(Remote Management)

[tulip sparrow]

Level 1 Tech KVM hardware is the best honestly

If thats what you are on about

Unless you are talking software

then no idea

[tulip sparrow]

he said standalone name is Thrill of the Fight

[lavish spire]

Hardware Remote management thingie. JetKVM seems cheap and powerful 🙂

[tidal geyser]

yeh

i just made my own

[drowsy isle]

That is a downer, I like being able to walk to the kitchen to get water with the headset on well can still do it, just everythings gray

[drowsy isle]

I found it said it right after

[tulip sparrow]

Meta store I take it?

[drowsy isle]

^

[tulip sparrow]

lol

[drowsy isle]

no steam

[tulip sparrow]

Ok

[gritty panther]

that's one of the best featues of Quest 3. you can actually use your phone and everything. I dont want to lose that

[tulip sparrow]

Phone usage for me is a pass with the passthrough on the Quest 3

[hexed tapir]

Ultra 7 265KF is $270 though

[drowsy isle]

on the 3s it's so rough with how blurry the Fresnel lenses are to use my phone but it's somewhat usable

[tulip sparrow]

The view is nowhere NEAR as sharp as the videos on youtube claim it to be

[drowsy isle]

black and white would be harder

[gritty panther]

it's decent on the Quest 3. I dont struggle to reply to quick messages etc.

[drowsy isle]

yeah it's so blurry and even worse on the 3s

[rigid fjord]

there's always pikvm, and others like it

[tulip sparrow]

Its a NIGHT and day difference between what you actually see and what the Videos on youtube show

[odd marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[drowsy isle]

I like the vision pro the most when I did a demo but man if only it could game and wasn't $3500

[gritty panther]

I havent even seen one in person yet lol

I dont really go to apple stores lol

[tulip sparrow]

mobile devices are unusable for me with the Quest 3 unless I smush it completely agains't my face

but that cloth facepad sucks for that

[drowsy isle]

Apple was doing demos where you could try it on(probably still are), i've seen only one person with one on

[gritty panther]

I also use $20 chinese IEM's for my Quest 3

[tulip sparrow]

text on mobile is unreadable for me

[gritty panther]

the sound quality is very good and passive noise cancellation is excellent

[drowsy isle]

You'd have to schedule it anyways

[gritty panther]

if ya'll aren't bothered by IEM's I highly recommend that with VR headsets

I know the Quest 3 speaker is decent but IEM's take it to the next level imo

[tulip sparrow]

I can't stand things in my ears

[drowsy isle]

Yeah I'll be using the astral iems with my 3s

[gritty panther]

I understand. very subjective

[tulip sparrow]

also things like that fall out far to easily for me as well

[drowsy isle]

the iems cost more than the headset lmao

[tulip sparrow]

I prefer open ear earbuds that hoo around my ears

currently have a set of Shokz openfit airs

[gritty panther]

I really like using the Zero 2's with the Quest 3. $20 and sounds amazing

very immersive with a VR headset. much better compared to stock speakers imo

[tulip sparrow]

they work quite well minus needing to fiddle around with them to get both charged in the case

aka I have to take them out put them back in several times before both start charging correctly

They tend to last long enough it isn't really an issue aka just have to do it once a day

when I do use them

[gritty panther]

I use it with my phone too. I like sleeping with these on. Im scared with wireless IEM's. I wake up and they're gone lol

[drowsy isle]

I used airpods pro 2 with my 3s too and it was pretty decent, noise cancelling works too

[tulip sparrow]

Can't really use my Audio Technica ATH-m50x's and FiiO combo with the quest 3 LOL

[gritty panther]

I have Sony WF1000 XM5's but I also enjoy the $20 iem's sometimes

[gritty panther]

not comfy lol. lighter the better like iem's

[muted fox]

I got a new power strip

[tulip sparrow]

That is a power strip alright LOL

[tulip depot]

Holy outlets

[ebon marlin]

Bro has more outlets than my whole apartment combined

[rigid fjord]

i hope you paid for it's therapy

[tulip sparrow]

LOL

[muted fox]

this is my therapy it will solve all my problems

[tulip sparrow]

Is that 60w or 80w on the USB ports?

[wispy thunder]

KSC75 >

[tulip sparrow]

I personally have a UPS myself for my desktop and desk

[tulip depot]

I just have my pc plugged straight into the wall

[muted fox]

It says 60w shared I think 45w for the USBC shared and 15w on the usb a shared

[hexed tapir]

Get a surge protector at least

[tulip sparrow]

I had an old one from like the late 90s that I inherated from my dead grandpa in 2001 or so and yeah

[tulip depot]

Never used a surge protector and never had anything die on me

[tulip sparrow]

I have since replaced it with a modern one

Never had a powerline backfeed into a house I take it

[muted fox]

I love the side spaced plugs almost all power strips u can't use half the ports cause they're too fat or they go sideways and cover the one next to it

[hexed tapir]

And I have never been in a high speed car accident but I always wear a seatbelt

[tulip sparrow]

^^^^^^

[drowsy isle]

Same I just have a power strip, even though power does go out during tornadoes and winter storms never had a PC or TV die from it but don't think people should take risks

[muted fox]

I don't think ur PC having an unsafe shutdown is the same as dying in a car crash lol

[balmy tapir]

can highly recommend seatbelts

get hit by someone going ~80mph would be a lot less fun without them

[tulip depot]

It's just hardware but I've never had anything die on me from surges

I have a 4090 and 13900kf too which do take significant power

[balmy tapir]

real question is how are you having enough outlets to plug everything in??

[gritty panther]

I had a monitor that the hdmi port got fried after a power outage (vga port worked fine tho)

[hexed tapir]

Smh not protecting a $2000 gpu

[tulip depot]

I have one monitor one pc

[gritty panther]

learned my lesson. used surge protectors ever since lol

dont learn your lesson the hard way like me. surge protectors aren't even expensive

[muted fox]

#tech-chat-1 message 🙏

[tulip depot]

ehh I'll consider it just haven't had anything or had a family or friend get the pc/displays fried from a surge

[gritty panther]

it happened to me I swear on my momma lol. 😄

[balmy tapir]

lowkey could use that lol. link ?!

[gritty panther]

I dont want it to happen to you. not a fun experience. get a surge protector asap

[hexed tapir]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-6-Outlet-Surge-Protector-Tap-with-Tamper-Resistant-White-37155/307715035 literally $13

[gritty panther]

very cheap lel

[brave brook]

to be fair, surge protector won't protect again the worst source of surges

[gritty panther]

yep but it's better than nothing.

[tropic surge]

Im confused

[muted fox]

I haven't plugged it in yet so idk if it's any good but lots of good reviews on Amazon https://a.co/d/1oaD2QF

[gritty panther]

atleast no fried HDMI ports for no reason

[brave brook]

i mean, for lightning you need way more than a surge protector

[gritty panther]

power outage didn't really break anything but that hdmi port. weird

[brave brook]

and for the rest... well, you might as well buy an UPS, which has that feature built in

[tropic surge]

me personally i just dont use my pc when there are storms???

[gritty panther]

I used to live in the tropics and every year we get thunderstorms. never had a UPS lol

[tulip depot]

Wait nevermind I have been using a surge protector for years and just stopped using it recently

[gritty panther]

Surge protector/AVR was good enough for my beef PC back then lol

[tulip depot]

it caught fire one day and just been having my PC plugged into the wall since

[balmy tapir]

cool thanks.

[brave brook]

you can get electronics destroyed even that way, even when disconnected. A lightning traveled a kilometer or more in air. Do you really think the small gap from the socket to the disconnected power cable is going to stop it ? Also induced power can kill electronics too

[tropic surge]

unplugging it

[brave brook]

lightning strikes near you will still destroy your electronics, even when it is not connected to power

[drowsy isle]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-meme-gif-8106042913805676066

[muted fox]

I've had bad luck with UPS a lot of them don't support the full outlet wattage, actually well below. Whatever my server or PC starts doing intensive stuff it starts beeping. I've stopped using all mine lol. I need to find a good one

[tropic surge]

okay let me but my computer in a lightning safe box

[brave brook]

only thing unplugging during storm helps with if the computer is plugged in and the lightning hits the wire between you and nearest transformer

[tropic surge]

ive had so much storms and shit it hasn't done anything to my old pc's

we get thunderstorms here often

[muted fox]

Your name rhymes with paranoid so this checks out

[hexed glade]

My wife got 2 from her work stole that we use in our duel setup, 0 issues. We get a lot of thunderstorms where I'm from, as well as tornadoes, so I wanted to make sure I didn't shoot myself in the foot

[tidal geyser]

or find one rated for the max wattage of what you will plug into it?

make sure to confuse va and w

[muted fox]

yeah the price goes up dramatically. I've just stolen ones from work they must have been for routers or something lol

[brave brook]

because you underspecced the UPS. Your PC peak is 600W, you need to buy a 1000VA UPS (or more)

[jaunty apex]

I hate being strangled more

[hexed tapir]

Flexing the wife card

[hexed glade]

Just find someone who doesn't hate you, easy peasy

that being said, that means you have to go outside, which is hard

[wheat torrent]

this cant be real

[drowsy isle]

Had to disconnect my PC during a small winter storm, lights kept flickering, holy shit it only dropped to 4f at the lowest too

[hexed glade]

I met her in college so I didn't really have to go outside as much tho

[tulip depot]

All hell goes loose when its below zero in texas

[frigid blade]

Upscaling is pretty good these days

[jaunty apex]

Man I gotta make time to clean my desktop soon

[drowsy isle]

Seen people wear jackets during 80 degrees weather

[jaunty apex]

Don't want it to be as messy as I got it on Windows and my last Linux install

[muted fox]

the horse turned white lol

[jaunty apex]

..lmao

[tulip depot]

There was a time it dropped from 95f to 85f and some of my classmates were saying "It's chilly"

[frigid blade]

Pretty sure it is white it’s just the thing around it got more of the pixels in the left photo

[hexed tapir]

All the milk eggs and bread gets sold instantly when the weather man says the word snow

[hexed glade]

I have never used Linux as a daily purely because I play competative games with anticheat, and I am also lazy af and don't want to go thorugh the process of setting up dual boot

[frigid blade]

There’s a bunch of anti ice protests at my gfs school and I guess she has the day off now

[jaunty apex]

#tech-chat-2 message

[frigid blade]

More gaming

[muted fox]

I dual booted Linux for 6 months and one day didn't go back 🤭

[hexed tapir]

pretty sure a different horse spawned on the second benchmark playthrough

[tulip depot]

Don't know if it's just my area but I haven't seen ice agents yet

or maybe I'm not lookign hard enough

[muted fox]

Back to Linux sorry I'm back on Windows lol

[odd marsh]

nah

[hexed tapir]

Please tell us she is in college

[jaunty apex]

Yeah, yeah I figured that's where that was going

[hexed glade]

or that youre also in highschool

[hexed tapir]

A used m series macbook

[wheat torrent]

this is making details out of nothing

[muted fox]

a ballin Chromebook

[tulip depot]

Your honor my client says she is a teacher at the school

[tulip sparrow]

would be my guess

[jaunty apex]

Would it not have to be trained on the game itself to be that good though? I'm not seeing video so I can't judge artifacts

[tulip sparrow]

I have had plenty die thanks to a powerline outside backfeeding into the house and yeah frying everything eletronic

[tulip depot]

I realized I was using a surge protector for years it just caught fire on me recently and been plugged into the wall since

[tulip sparrow]

lossless scaling

[jaunty apex]

Happened to me once

[hexed tapir]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Edar5tpGIfI?si=uM0Qz-cm-r3kkEKD

[jaunty apex]

Surprised hasn't happened again, but I've been careful

[jaunty apex]

-si

[tulip depot]

yeah and don't get why people whine about it, you want more fps yet don't want to pay $1000s due to moore's law being dead, well this is the way.

[muted fox]

was it trained on that game?

[hollow sorrel]

OK I got a shot of my friend's VR headset and it's pretty cool

[delicate oar]

anyone who's informed about "asus com service" APPCRASH error and completely nuking my pc requiring a full reboot to get it working again?

[tulip depot]

It's an issue when game devs require upscaling but just don't play the game and don't support the devs if they want to release garbage

MOst of those games with shitty performance are also bad games anyways

I mean who's playing highguard

[frigid blade]

Uni yah

[hexed tapir]

that was close

[tidal geyser]

uninstall armory crate

[robust trail]

I mean, if you want to run games at crap framerates because you don't like upscaling, that's on you

[tulip sparrow]

YUP

[frigid blade]

._.

[tulip sparrow]

PC Devs: what even is optimization these days? uh duh

[tulip depot]

Exactly, new dlss models and even AMD are so close to native if not better it's the to point where why would you not enable it.

[robust trail]

Right?

[frigid blade]

moores law isnt dead we're just slightly behind

[robust trail]

It requires less power which means less heat 😉

[tulip depot]

If only NVIDIA would also get more into handhelds, imagine an rog ally with an nvidia blackwell chip that can use the newer dlss

[tulip sparrow]

Also depends on the sector we are talking about

[tulip depot]

Then why is my 4090 still the 2nd fastest gaming GPU

[tulip sparrow]

Intel NOT have compitition for years is why we are behind honestly

Nvidia doesn't have compition either at the highend so yeah

[robust trail]

Moores law is starting to die. We're bumping into physical limitations

[tulip depot]

^

[robust trail]

you can only make things so small before shit starts falling apart and electrons decide to do whatever

[tulip sparrow]

Quantam level yeah

we barely know how things work above that level so yeah

[robust trail]

simply need different and more efficient ways to render. That's why upscalers and frame gen is starting to crack into game stuff

[tulip sparrow]

Borderlands 4 CEO just shivers

[robust trail]

you can only do so much before the hardware needs to be assisted by software

[craggy cove]

alr sure i guess i just cant

[tulip sparrow]

Blizzards famous You don't have a phone line anyone?

[tulip depot]

5080 is just an overclocked 4080, 5090 is not that much faster than a 4090 for an insane markup(was suppose to be $2000 but good luck). Beyond cooked

[brave brook]

and this kids is why you buy only open protocol stuff, like zigbee https://www.belkin.com/support-article/?articleNum=335419

[tulip sparrow]

60 series after my 2060 Super isn't all that great either and not worth upgrading to from that

Yeah companies shutting down things is never good

[craggy cove]

well if you go by msrp the 5090 was pretty reasonably priced... and it was actually possible to get them for msrp (for some time, not anymore tho)

[tulip depot]

yep but if a game is going to require that then I want better graphics than what cyberpunk full pt offers

[tulip sparrow]

Hence why I will NEVER buy a piece of hardware that relies on a server to function

[robust trail]

Blackwell is architecturally different than Ada so it isn't just opverclocked. I wouldn't even bother buying the 90 tier GPU... it's a freakin prosumer card.

[tulip sparrow]

90 is a titan class card yeah

[robust trail]

I wish it still had a titan monkier so people would stop whaaaaa about the price

waaaaambulance

[craggy cove]

its genuinely amazing to see how many people just like to burn money

[tulip depot]

$500 increase for 30% performance after a generation. We use to get 70% performance bumps(2080 to 3080) for the same price. Although finding a 3080 for $699 was difficult

[tulip sparrow]

the 70s tier going up in price over the generations is NOT fun

[craggy cove]

saw a reddit post about someone buying an astral rtx 5090 with klarna

[robust trail]

https://klipy.com/gifs/you-got-28

[craggy cove]

400$ actually and the big thing is the +8gb of vram too

i love nvidia!

[tulip sparrow]

I was hoping that the 50 super series would be out but NOPE

[craggy cove]

coming out never

[tulip sparrow]

basically dead before arrival

[craggy cove]

thx to all of the geniuses who commented on hardware forums "wait for 50 super series"

[tulip depot]

$400 doesn't make it any better

[craggy cove]

now u cant even get msrp

[stray portal]

Yall is this good for basic stuff it has decent stuff and nice design

[tulip sparrow]

I would make use of the extra vram on the super series

[drowsy isle]

I'm lucky I pulled the trigger on my 5080 for $850 although still mad at myself for not buying a 4090 when I had the chance

[robust trail]

5090 only really went up $200 more than 4090 when you account for inflation

[tulip sparrow]

18gb of the stuff on the 5070 sign me up

[brave brook]

you hoped for 50 super and instead we lose everything above 5060 8GB. We don't lose them on paper, there just won't be any stock

[robust trail]

always gotta account for inflation

[tulip sparrow]

@brave brook exactly

[drowsy isle]

Same 16gb of vram is just not enough

[craggy cove]

an extra 8gb of the newer gddr7 + 2 years of inflation + just more performance seems reasonable

[drowsy isle]

would have loved 24gb

[frigid blade]

how is 16gb of vram not enough

[tulip sparrow]

Now I am looking at 20GB 7900 XT

[brave brook]

cheapest 5080

[craggy cove]

the 5090 should be a titan card but gamers love burning money

[tulip sparrow]

@frigid blade VR modding

[brave brook]

cheapest 5070 Ti is priced where 5080 should be

[craggy cove]

and the 5080 was priced kinda bad even at msrp compared to the 5070 ti

[tulip sparrow]

VR takes another 1-2GB of vram ontop of what a game requires for me at the very least

[robust trail]

when you have influencers selling you things you don't need that happens

[drowsy isle]

I can max it out with PCVR, I can also max it out by playing cyberpunk while streaming it on discord

[tulip sparrow]

Remember the 12gb 4080?

[robust trail]

gotta get that extra fps that doesn't make a difference

[craggy cove]

the consumer can think for themselves too (or maybe not ig)

[craggy cove]

they changed the name... and what now

[robust trail]

youtube watching zombies

[craggy cove]

still the same price

[tulip sparrow]

I think it was that one

[craggy cove]

gamers won!

[tulip sparrow]

@craggy cove only after the people raged about it

[craggy cove]

yep

[gloomy sleet]

there was a 4080 without 12gb?

[tulip sparrow]

that is the future that Nvidia was looking towards for the "Gaming" market

[robust trail]

I talk shit but I really just want everyone to have a good time. Though I think battling for a 90 series card to game on is sort of silly

only to game on.. if you're doing other stuff than have at it

[gloomy sleet]

90 series is overkill for basically anything

[brave brook]

nvidias's future is "if only we could ask $2000 for a 5050 level card, we would"

[robust trail]

they're good cards

[tulip depot]

ehh feel like I got my money's worth with the 4090

[gloomy sleet]

buying a new 90 series is like buying the newest iphone

[robust trail]

hey I need to afford new shoes okay

[tulip sparrow]

16gb was the 4080 the 4080 12Gb was just a 4070 (ti) (super) basically

[gloomy sleet]

oh

[gloomy sleet]

that’s fair

[brave brook]

shoes ? you meant

[tulip sparrow]

So yeah trying to sell what is basically a weaker card for more then its worth and naming it incorrectly

[gloomy sleet]

i unironically want to get the jenson jacket

[robust trail]

I don't really do the whole leather thing. I rarely eat beef. I do sit on cows in my jeep tho.

[tulip sparrow]

$900 for a 70 class card yeah NO THANK YOU NGREEDIA

[brave brook]

i have a suspicion he has them on even in the shower

[tulip depot]

4090 i'd say was the only newer-gen 90 class that was somewhat good value, 3090 and 5090 were both unreasonably poor in value

[brave brook]

like have you guys ever seen jensen without the jacket ?

[robust trail]

nah he scoots around the office in a tshirt quite a bit

[frigid blade]

i got my 4090 prebuilt at the price of a used 4090 now

[tulip depot]

3090 wasn't that much faster than the 3080 and double the price, vram was its only leverage, and 5090 welp-

[hexed tapir]

Rtx 5070 12gb is now $620

[tidal geyser]

dollar has also become funky

[tulip sparrow]

the 60s aren't any better then the previous one to boot if at all aka the 3060 was not worht the cash over a 2060 super and the 4060 wasn't wortht he cash and neither is the 5060

[tulip depot]

Microcenters are like the last bastions for reasonably priced gpus in the US now before it all goes to hell

[frigid blade]

id buy a used 5090 now if it was around $2.5k

never gonna find that though

[tulip sparrow]

3080 performance for a 60 class would be ideal but nope

[brave brook]

yet as usual, apple never corrects for exchange rate, with exception when eur gets weaker than usd

[gloomy sleet]

when are the jacketless jenson files dropping

[tulip depot]

If you don't got one near, tough luck

[hexed tapir]

Remember the og 6gb rtx 2060 😆

[brave brook]

3g 1060

[frigid blade]

the only other card i have from the 4090 is my 1060 3gb

[frigid blade]

jinx

[tulip sparrow]

Yeah I have a 1060 3GB in my Sager(Clevo) laptop with i7 7700hq

[brave brook]

and nobody forget the 3.5GB+0.5GB 970 /s

[frigid blade]

oh no mine is a desktop

not mobile

[tulip sparrow]

I had the 970 before I replaced it with my 2060 Super in my old i5 3570k system

[drowsy isle]

I had a really weird 2060 gpu that had a 2080 die. the evga 2060 ko

[hexed tapir]

gtx 1060 had "10" desktop types 3gb , 3gb GP104, 5gb, (og) 6gb, 6gb rev 2, 6gb gp104, 6gb 9Gbps, 6gb gddr5x, mining version, and the unreleased 8gb gddr5x . no video should have made more

[brave brook]

i only had 980 and 960 from the 900 series

[tulip sparrow]

I replaced the 2060 Super in my Ryzen 7 system with a 3070 Ti

and so the 2060 super ended up in the i5 system since the vram of the 970 wasn't keeping up with what I was doing with it

so I doubled the vram and its much better

[hexed tapir]

Yeah Nvidia forgot to fuse off some parts of it so in certain applications it beat the regular 2060

[tulip sparrow]

now I am thinking of replacing the entire i5 system with an amd mini pc+DAS for HTPC/NAS/Emulation/Game sever setup

[frigid blade]

im thinking about buying the 395 + pro whatever its called mini pc

[tulip sparrow]

Need to shrink the physical system down a lot

[hexed tapir]

Ddr5 mini amd PC?

[drowsy isle]

yeah regular 2060s were tu106, mine was tu104 which was the 2080 super weird gpu lmao

[tulip sparrow]

@hexed tapir a prebuilt minipc might be the way to go compared to a barebones model

[brave brook]

and on other side recycling the same core for multiple cards... GK107 was in 1030, 630, 640, 720, 730, 650, plus bunch of OEM models and laptop models 😄

https://videocardz.net/gpu/nvidia-gk107 recycling at it's finest

[hexed tapir]

Crazy family tree

[tulip sparrow]

the 1030 was a beast of a HTPC(MEDIA) card

[hexed tapir]

Until the ddr4 model was born

[tulip sparrow]

Pretty sure the 1030 was the GP108 die

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-gp108.g808

Reason the 1030 was a beast at htpc usage

[hexed tapir]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005011559973277.html $465

[frigid blade]

thats a lot

[tulip sparrow]

Like I said be cheaper then buying a barebones and then sourcind laptop dimms and an ssd

[frigid blade]

https://www.amazon.com/ACEMAGICIAN-S3A-5600MHz-Computers-Offices/dp/B0FGV2LH49

[hexed tapir]

$301 to buy laptop 2x8gb ddr5 and a 512 nvme

[tulip sparrow]

Ontop of the $300 a barebones costs

[hexed tapir]

Fuck pcs are so sad now

[tulip sparrow]

yeah

[red cedar]

hell yeah this gun be the best purchase I will EVER make

[frosty ruin]

RTX 5090 without core and vram

[red cedar]

yeh

you just told it, I saw the listing and its hs

[tulip sparrow]

Yeah very liklely flipped 5090 with missing/broken parts

[tidal geyser]

leboncoin?

[red cedar]

yes why

[tidal geyser]

missing core and vram if it aint a case of kidney losing

[tulip sparrow]

lol

[minor ivy]

Hey qq peeps my networking skills are kinda lacking so thought id give it a try here,

I have 3 wireless devices headset keyboard and mice all 3 using wifi 2,4 (just a dongle that came with it) Is that going to cause a problem for me? They are plugged in close to eachother in a kvm switch and are like 30 cms from there destination Would like your imput on this THANKS!

[tidal geyser]

should be fine

but also uhm not ideal

[tidal geyser]

linux right?

[feral stream]

Yep

[tidal geyser]

what thingy is dat

[feral stream]

?

Like what I’m using to display info?

[tidal geyser]

yes

the app

[feral stream]

It’s called resources

you can get out on flat pack

[tidal geyser]

oh dis is bazzite?

[feral stream]

Yes

[tidal geyser]

ah ok makes sense

can you open btop and show

cmd

[feral stream]

I’m adjusting in CMD right now

[tidal geyser]

or does bazzite have it installed

[feral stream]

Bios***

[tidal geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/375436620578684930/1106613567966429224

[north pulsar]

ok

[lavish spire]

When I try to use Rufus to create a bootable TrueNAS setup stick. Which should I pick?

[tidal geyser]

rufus never worked for me for whatever reason so i have used raspberry pi imager but you can try with no i guess

[north pulsar]

it works well for me

[gritty panther]

no.

[topaz copper]

If you got a bunch of ram, you might as well use BTRFS and cash a bunch

[tidal geyser]

.
-# thats ZFS

[glacial cliff]

what do you guys think is the most re-sellable case right now if i were to buy a case for a PC build and intended to resell the case relatively soon thereafter?

[tidal geyser]

wat

a case should lose easily half of its value or something after use

[ocean axle]

cases aren't really resellable

[tidal geyser]

i dono iv sold plenty somehow

just price them at next to nothing

[ocean axle]

they are large, heavy, very cosmetic (so people like to have a new one), and usually not that expensive
getting rid of them for basically nothing is usually about all you can do

its only very unique things that really hold any value, because collector's item

[tidal geyser]

really easy to scratch and with all of them they get dust in places not easy to clean

[glacial cliff]

A: who said i was gonna use it i said buy it 😛
B: thats fine, which one would be easiest to resell at half value

[ocean axle]

why would you buy it to not use it?

[tidal geyser]

why would you buy something you are not gonna use

this is gonna be interesting

[hexed tapir]

Any with good airflow like a mesh front panel

[tidal geyser]

food

[hexed tapir]

Hey I'm hungry

[tidal geyser]

im sleepy

[twin grove]

nice to finally have ltt cables but I wish they had longer high speed cables I know why they don't but I was hoping for a good cable to recommend for quest link cable since you kinda want 5Gbps minimum

[twin grove]

take a nap then

[glacial cliff]

if I can't get insurance to cover the PC I want to build to replace my damaged PC, i'll need to purchase something they accept as "equivalent" to the damaged PC, then if I decide i want to instead build the PC I want that they wouldn't cover, sell the parts they paid to replace i didn't want and invest that in the parts i do want

[sleek ibex]

If you ever come to the Metro Detroit area, I can introduce you to some good Middle Eastern restaurants

[tidal geyser]

wait are you the person with the house that was on fire

[glacial cliff]

nah apartment that had a radiator pipe burst and has water and steam damage

[tidal geyser]

no wait water damage

[ocean axle]

shouldn't you be able to get a cash payout instead of actually purchasing "equivlent" stuff?

[glacial cliff]

yep das me

[hexed tapir]

The problem is I'm white and can't really handle spice 🤣

[ocean axle]

also, if handled quickly enough, returns are an option

[glacial cliff]

cash payout is the actual value unless you repalce it, then they pay the replacement value.

actual value on electronics is purchase price - 20% depreciation a year (due to actuarial tables saying all electronics depreciate 20% per year)

depreciation on my main rig would make it worth 0 dollars

[tidal geyser]

no

not how math works

[ocean axle]

cash payout should be replacement cost

[hexed tapir]

I can handle medium store bought salsa, spicy is iffy

[ocean axle]

probably -20% of new price, $0 after 5 years

which is wrong in and of itself, but whatever

[glacial cliff]

yes tell me how accounting works, 1 semester away from my accountign degree, and how insurance claism work with my brother who has been an insurance adjustor for 10 eyars giving me advice throughout plz.

I'm happy to be proven wrong

[ocean axle]

anything less than replacement cost is bullshit

[glacial cliff]

it is, if you replace it

[ocean axle]

actually replacing it shouldn't be required

[hexed tapir]

Do they not include ai ram/ssd inflation?

[ocean axle]

you are paid out the amount of what it would cost to replace it, what you do with that money isn't any of their concern

[glacial cliff]

yeah that doesnt let them fleece their custoemrs for millions of dolalrs a year, which would hurt their profitability, so they won't do that.

#insurnaceisascam

[sleek ibex]

Damn then Iraqi is definitely out of the question.... Though Lebanese might be doable..... Syrian could be a coin toss

[glacial cliff]

for actual value, no, for replacement value, yes

[tidal geyser]

im sleepy

[ocean axle]

how quickly do you expect them to pay out?

[true stirrup]

5 min to midnight
Go to sleep

[ocean axle]

ie: can you buy stuff and then return it within the window

[tidal geyser]

you first

[glacial cliff]

hopefully i'm donewith the headache by the end of the month of february, if I get receipts to them in a timely manner after replacing everything

[ocean axle]

if you return sealed NIB stuff, storers can still sell that just fine, so usually its not much a poblem for them

[glacial cliff]

that would be insurance fraud, i would never do that

[ocean axle]

and most have a 30-day policy

[true stirrup]

Sure
Good night

[glacial cliff]

waves politely at any insurance investegators in chat

[ocean axle]

you bought a replacement, they paid you for the replacement, and then you did with your replacement as you pleased (returning the parts)

they are also likely unable to verify that the product wasn't already returned by the time they pay you out, so you could submit the reciepts, and then immediately return things

[tidal geyser]

300$ yes or no

https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/Yoga_Slim_7_14AKP10

[glacial cliff]

waving politely to any insurance investigators in chat

I would never defraud my insurance company in any way shape or form, and intend to keep/use/and or resell on 3p markets any products i purchase as a result of my current ongoing insurance claim

[glacial cliff]

the more specific specs on that specific configuration ftr:
https://psref.lenovo.com/Detail/2653?M=83JY001LMX

[tidal geyser]

i even found the screen :3

[glacial cliff]

ryzen 7 16gb ram for 300 bucks isn't the worst deal in the world

[rare pasture]

16 gigs of ram is practically $300 rn anyway

[glacial cliff]

ikr 🤣

[tidal geyser]

its also special kind athat does 7400MT

now to flip a 4 sided die

[topaz copper]

On Desktop or Server ?

[tidal geyser]

yes

[hexed tapir]

Did you do a tear down of your parts to find what still works yet? I would assume the storage and ram survived

[tidal geyser]

ZFS the file system uses unused ram for caching

[topaz copper]

I understand

But you use it on Desktop ?

Kinda unique

[rare pasture]

wwhat kind?ddr5?

[tidal geyser]

im so inpatient i have like 3 screens as i keep buying the wrong kinda pin screen

and this laptop aint helping me with that

[ocean axle]

i have/do, granted linux desktop

[glacial cliff]

i plan to claim the whole PC and not deal with the stress time/energy to breakdown all of it.

after insurance has replaced everything, I may go through part by part on my own to see what works and sell it locally on fb marketplace at a steep discount with warnings for possible damage from humidity from a steam leak, for the stuff that does still work

i know the desktop has issues because it was running and on the floor and right in front of the issue. when i was let back in the apartment liek 12 hours later i tried to turn it off (all the RGB was still on but all the monitors were off), and i held the power button down for like 45 seconds to no avail

[frigid blade]

i totally forgot you can insure computer parts

[glacial cliff]

so i know something is damaged

[frigid blade]

can I insure my pencil then

[glacial cliff]

all personal belongings are covered by renter's/home owner's insurance, yes

[frigid blade]

oh i thought you meant the one they try to sell you while buying parts

[glacial cliff]

home owner's isn't worth it though the deductable is tpyically a percentage of the home's value and would make your deductible worth more than a new PC on it's own

renter's insruance is generally cheap as hell and has decent deductibles

[ocean axle]

unless you have other damage too that makes it worthwhite

ie: house was damaged (claim) and also stuff (PC, add to existing claim)

[tidal geyser]

what even are the specs of de puter

[glacial cliff]

home owner's insurance is nearly always a pain to get above the deductible without like structural damage.

I had a second floor water drain pipe for my washing machine pop out of the drain in the wall and drop an entire load's worth of wash cycle and rinse cycle on the floor, causing floor damage on the second floor, and then drained down to the first floor with damage there as well, and the repair quote was like 6 grand

insurance deductable was like 5500

so for $500 insurance rates would have doubled for the next ten years on my home owner's insurance

i said f that and paid it out of pocket

[frigid blade]

just find someone who charges 15x

[tidal geyser]

i think im gonna yolo buy a screen once again

meh i think im gonna be patient for once

[latent gull]

14?

[tidal geyser]

450.0gl09.0001

[tidal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/measure-tape-gif-23048056

[ocean axle]

a 14" monitor?

[tidal geyser]

m yes context is smart

[ocean axle]

laptop?

is that a good price for it?

[tidal geyser]

no thats a desktop

zen 5

its a few months old

3 months old

so new it has a copilot button :3

[ocean axle]

i have a snapdragon laptop that has one of those

[frigid blade]

wdym thats a desktop

[ocean axle]

its never been intentionally used

[azure topaz]

gonna compare it to an 8 core desktop and be like “but it’s portable tho”

[tidal geyser]

1800x

[frigid blade]

its a laptop u can put it in ur lap

[tidal geyser]

on

[ocean axle]

if we are going by that, ive got a 64 core 1u laptop

[tidal geyser]

tis only a 4 core

[ocean axle]

thats, 8 cores?

4 z5 + 4 z5c

[tidal geyser]

nono i have to be fair when i compare intel vs amd

o sick 780m but different name

[ocean axle]

so, its 8 core?

[tidal geyser]

feel like iv seen that laptop before

[tidal geyser]

the joke is i do not count non P cores

its dumb i know

[ocean axle]

z5 vs z5c isn't the same as p vs e

[tidal geyser]

i know

its just compressed zen 5 architecture

[azure topaz]

z5c just has halve cache

[ocean axle]

z5c is physically different, but logically identical to z5
intel uses entirely different core designs

[azure topaz]

yeah

[ocean axle]

usually

[tidal geyser]

i know but its close nuf

[ocean axle]

some zen compact cores have shared a CCX with non-compact cores, so they dont even have that

[tidal geyser]

ANYWAYS i get to test something close nuf to the 780m

gonna be fun

panther lake you are so close yet so far away

[ocean axle]

Phoenix 2 has 2x Z4 and 4x Z4C, all on the same L3/CCX

[tidal geyser]

die shot

jebus

found the full model dets
https://psref.lenovo.com/Detail/2653?M=83JY001LMX

hmmm

why are they telling me to wait so they can get less money

[gaunt spade]

cuz they good people

[azure topaz]

shpping will also go up 35$

[tidal geyser]

xd

[tidal geyser]

65nok rn

ama just say it so its saveed

o wait you can see it in the pic anyways :3

[mint umbra]

alright im not using aliexpress again too much fake/knock off shit on there

gotten burned to many times now

[tidal geyser]

so do not buy it?

buy actual legit brands on ali

[mint umbra]

how am I suppose to know if its a fake or not

[tidal geyser]

google.com

[mint umbra]

all the ads look the same

theres like 20 listings for the same item

[tidal geyser]

i always have a great time with anything that has a brand name

also you cant really mess up a part number

[frigid blade]

if theres a lot of reviews and actual photos and stuff

its usually not fake

[mint umbra]

alot of the reviews seem fake have never seen anything under 4 stars on there

[tidal geyser]

i have tons

[frigid blade]

because the top suggestions are high reviews by default lol

[mint umbra]

Like which one is real

[tidal geyser]

do not buy crap

[frigid blade]

all of them can be real, theres no 1 real rest fake lol

[mint umbra]

They wouldnt have such a price difference if they were all real

[frigid blade]

thats not how that works

if i list that at 120 cad does that make everything below that price fake

[tidal geyser]

this is the shit i buy

[mint umbra]

if only gotten one thing from ali express that actually worked

got screen protectors from them before that just didnt work

[tidal geyser]

how many things have you gotten from aliexpress

[frigid blade]

dude screen protectors from aliexpress

[tidal geyser]

did you test it by hammering your phone?

even premium screen protectors can only do so much

[mint umbra]

no I mean it just didnt stay on the adhesive just didnt work

and thumb print scan didnt work

like with other screen protectors

[stiff sonnet]

Guys my motherboard has an pcie power plug do I need to plug it in

[tidal geyser]

was your screen dirty?

[mint umbra]

like with other tempered glass

[azure topaz]

no

[mint umbra]

no its was basicly brand new

and used cleaning tool provided

[stiff sonnet]

I’ve never seen it should I, like what’s it for

New mobo

[azure topaz]

multi gpu

[mint umbra]

also go a screen protector for my laptop but it didnt even fit lol

got*

for now on im just gunna buy off amazon

[stiff sonnet]

Oh okay gotcha, should be fine w/out single right. My gpu uses 3

[azure topaz]

more than

you basically just dont need it

its a marketing plug making you think youre better than others

[mint umbra]

would rather pay more from amazon then get screwed over on aliexpress

[stiff sonnet]

Lmaooo

[frigid blade]

dude if it doesnt work just request a refund

[azure topaz]

im sure it may do something electrically but even with multiple gpus on the board id imagine it would be fine

[mint umbra]

amazon seems to have less shit that are just knock offs

[frigid blade]

they give out refunds left and right without even wanting it back if its cheap enough

[mint umbra]

and refunds are much easier with amazon

[azure topaz]

really wish i had 2 sticks of this red stuff

[mint umbra]

I dont even need the box I just drop it off at staples

[glacial cliff]

yes, i am indeed said person 😄

ok guys next question, whats the best thermal paste to get (but not liquid metal because i don't wanna deal with that headache)

[gaunt spade]

ptm prolly

[ivory mountain]

get normal paste for cpu (i use mx6)

if youre repasting a GPU or laptop cpu/gpu, get PTM

[glacial cliff]

yes which kind

[ivory mountain]

arctic mx6

most pastes are the same shit

[glacial cliff]

does "i'm not the one paying for it, insurance is trololol" change the answer?

[topaz copper]

PTM7950

[glacial cliff]

was considering it. I'm already going to have to do an order from LTTStore anyways as part of the insurance claim to replace the corsair dock i bought on the black friday deal

[azure topaz]

he said which kinds man

arctic mx6 and the PTM from the LTT store for according products

do NOT use PTM on a CPU with an IHS

its not effective, its usually worse than just using normal paste lol

[sleek ibex]

CPUs: any would be fine paste wise
GPUs: PTM like Phasesheet, Helios, or the legit PTM in LTT store

[azure topaz]

yah

[glacial cliff]

and i asked if the cost not mattering mattered to his answer, as he recommended a pretty affordable option, so i could understand it being a default answer to save a buck when saving a buck matters

[azure topaz]

nah thats basically it

[glacial cliff]

"no" is an acceptable answer to my question and id go roger that and add the artic to the list

[azure topaz]

pastes are within like 10c of eachother in t he worst cases anyways

[glacial cliff]

awesome thanks

[glacial cliff]

nice callout thanks

[left trellis]

$350 5070 copped

[topaz copper]

I bought a big sheet of PTM and never used all of it

Still gotta do my Epyc

[sleek ibex]

Yep PTMs for CPUs is more for like Delids

[azure topaz]

yah

[ivory mountain]

you dont use PTM on a cpu IHS lmao

[azure topaz]

i mean you can

[ivory mountain]

fire

[azure topaz]

its just generally not any different or a little worse than the best pastes

[ivory mountain]

but its pointless and costs way more than just using paste

[topaz copper]

Why not
It works fine
Temps are correct

[azure topaz]

yes

[left trellis]

Thoughts on the thermal grizzly high performance heatspreader?

[azure topaz]

useless, you dont have a delidded cpu lol

[left trellis]

I can delid

[azure topaz]

do not

[left trellis]

why not 😭

[gaunt spade]

bro what

daylight robbery?

[azure topaz]

why would you

[ivory mountain]

0 point you arent throttling

[azure topaz]

"errm uhhh performance uhhh"

[sleek ibex]

I have a few Packs of Phasesheet for GPU block installs

[topaz copper]

People still delid?

[left trellis]

interesting thing to do

[azure topaz]

and annoying

why would you delid your cpu just to run a heat spreader too LOL

[ivory mountain]

how about you give me a 5090 pcb and you get to keep the block great deal

[left trellis]

bc custom loops are expensivveeeee, its a budget build

[azure topaz]

then dont delid

[left trellis]

card trade

[topaz copper]

Last delid I did was a 8700k

[azure topaz]

youre paying money for the heatspreader

[gaunt spade]

?

[left trellis]

w money on top

[azure topaz]

put that money toward anything else

[gaunt spade]

so technically not a 350 5070

[azure topaz]

if youre going to delid cheaply just set the ihs back on top of the cpu

[left trellis]

7900XTX bought for 500, trade for 5070 + 150

[topaz copper]

If you’re really on a budget, you don’t need to spend money on esoteric stuff put the money into actual performance gains

[left trellis]

:( okay

[azure topaz]

that is delidded

[gaunt spade]

👽

[azure topaz]

liquid metal is not fun to work with, if done wrong itll kill your components and stain a lot of stuff, it also removes retail value entirely

[topaz copper]

7900xtx for a 5070 isn’t really a come up ?

[azure topaz]

its just not smart to do unless extreme/more than normal oc is your thing

especially stupid for performance

[left trellis]

7900XTX is a bitch to sell tho

nobody wants it 😭

[topaz copper]

For 500?

I could’ve found you three buyers today

[glacial cliff]

i mean ease of use is a factor, and cost is not 😛

but it might be harder to convicne the insurance beancounters of switchign to a thermal compound sheet instead of a paste

[left trellis]

I mean id want to get more than 500 on it

[left trellis]

Do I start overclocking as an excuse to delid

[left trellis]

5070 is a more than easy $500

[ivory mountain]

u still wont get close to throttling so its pointless

[left trellis]

:(

[gaunt spade]

on everyones soul bro i had to swap to a 4060

[topaz copper]

Better than some people

[azure topaz]

thats not how this works but yes he would hes on ryzen

[topaz copper]

There’s people still rolling 1080ti

[gaunt spade]

theres people still rolling 1060s

[left trellis]

no im not what lol

[azure topaz]

oh i thought you were

[left trellis]

13900k

[azure topaz]

anyways

[azure topaz]

especially not if you have 0 clue of what youre doing, all for more people getting into oc though

[ivory mountain]

on floppa's soul im going to find a 5070ti at retail price

[ripe marsh]

does have any recs for quick and dirty benchmarks for testing when buying a used gpu? I'm mainly considering furmark.

[azure topaz]

https://klipy.com/gifs/daeth-funi-1

[left trellis]

ill have a training arc

[azure topaz]

3dmark demo

[left trellis]

come back an OC demon

with a 14900KS

[azure topaz]

read up on hwbot

doesnt matter what parts you have imo

oc is oc it kinda doesnt matter if you like the hobby

could be ddr2 or ddr5

[gaunt spade]

best gpu test it a 10m drop test

[tidal geyser]

If I can manage to replace a pd controller dis is mine

[left trellis]

bought a mobo with bent pins, lets see if im on the comeup

[azure topaz]

what board?

[left trellis]

MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI DDR4

[azure topaz]

damn

[left trellis]

for 80 usd about

[azure topaz]

why z690 and why ddr4?

im not even going to hold you cancel the order

[left trellis]

was looking for 4 m.2 slots and I only have ddr4

[glacial cliff]

top is the PC that was damaged in my apartment, bottom is the build i just did to replace it, I think i did a pretty good job gettin my money's worth from insurance, considering I didn't include a whole custom watercooling loop in the PC they're buying me 😄

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/GwenBD94/saved/TJgK23

[left trellis]

😭

[azure topaz]

i paid 100$ for my z790e-e board a year ago

[frigid blade]

g7 spotted

[azure topaz]

and it was yknow...working

[left trellis]

idk if thats possible now gng

[azure topaz]

its boards not ram it should be more than

the DDR4 only part is however a problem lol

[topaz copper]

Is yours forecast replacement or is it like the 80% thing some insurance to?

[azure topaz]

you can find good z790 boards for cheep

[stiff sonnet]

Error code c5 is memory training right, manual doesn’t tell me

[left trellis]

yeah

[azure topaz]

yeah i would shift your priorities from delid then

[empty quartz]

Hai floppa

[topaz copper]

I had a 25k claim when I had a Electrical Surgr

[azure topaz]

max your cpu out if you want till ur cooling limited then do ram until you can buy d5

[left trellis]

after I get this mobo idrk what else to do w my pc

[azure topaz]

then learn d5

[left trellis]

word

[azure topaz]

13900K if you have enough skill w/out delid should do (allcore) 5.7/4.4 ht off (i suggest ht off for an oced daily)

thats assuming pretty ideal scenario tho

like 360mm cooler and contact frame and such

[left trellis]

I have both of those

got the ali frame for $3

[azure topaz]

w/delid i dailied 5.9/4.5 ht off

[gaunt spade]

sfx psu
no 5090?
hdd?
windows license

[azure topaz]

but the power draw during stability testing was 400w

well, 390w

which just barely stayed cool

[left trellis]

custom loop delidded or

[azure topaz]

aio + delid + ihs set on top + lm

[left trellis]

like you just take it off and place it back ?

[azure topaz]

AIO
PASTE
IHS
LM
CPU

[azure topaz]

yes, with liquid metal instead of the solder and the glue scraped away

[left trellis]

ah

[azure topaz]

if you want like the stack order

[ivory mountain]

make sure you crack the die, boosts performance

[left trellis]

[left trellis]

Where I go to learn to oc the 13900k

[azure topaz]

worry more about the SMD's near the the die if youre going to delid

[left trellis]

also wyg now

[glacial cliff]

mine is what i plan to argue as plan B

[steel umbra]

i thought removing solder balls with a spoon was a better method of oc

[azure topaz]

fragile, i think thats how my KS is dead dead

[glacial cliff]

plan A was i went to a local PC store and got them to write me up a quote i should get it tomorrow

[azure topaz]

265K in progress but 9000

[left trellis]

😭

[tidal geyser]

This kind?