tech-chat-1

[peak swan]

Ah

It's an A40

[hardy horizon]

lovely color

i miss the physical bttn

[peak swan]

And nice size too

[south arrow]

Its alright for comparisons but most modern models have ram variations to account for also can use this for like gaming bench comparisons (mind you actual results vary due to case, room temp etc) https://benchmarks.ul.com/3dmark-android

[hardy horizon]

why does top right have a lock?

[hardy horizon]

cool the say the s11 is as good as ipad Pro, ordering now, mnedia consumption and as a 2nd screen fro my windows and mac laptops

[peak swan]

It has a removable back that locks in
Galaxy xcover 2

[fringe prairie]

lmk if you get the tab to work with the mac

full screen

i’ve been trying on my s10+ but it only allows for 16:9 over airplay

[random gyro]

sup

[hardy horizon]

duet and Deskreen

[hardy horizon]

the other option is teh ipad pro 13, which is 4:3 so same video size as teh Tab s11, and $555 vs $1,318. yeah ipad woudl be "easier" but like .... $700+ more :/

[foggy marsh]

Is kingston renegade g5 a good drive or should i go with a samsung drive?

[hardy horizon]

is that the duet app? or deskcreen?

[rigid fjord]

neither, just go for a decent gen 4 drive like a sn580 or sn5000

[foggy marsh]

Its basically the same price as those two only 20 more

[rigid fjord]

what country?

because a gen 5 drive is double that of a gen 4 drive

[foggy marsh]

kingston gen5 is 200
Sn5000 150
(and i actually was wrong its not 20 more i was looking at sn850 not sn580)
there is also a 990 evo plus 4tb at 267 that also seems pretty good

[foggy marsh]

Slovakia

[rigid fjord]

so you're looking for 4tb nvme drives?

[foggy marsh]

2tb (i just mentioned that 4tb samsung that it was a pretty good price at least compared to the kingston drive, only 67 more for 2x capacity)

[lavish needle]

Will I get a cheaper pc with voxtek

[ashen hearth]

I did it

I managed to get a GPU for its ~MSRP price after waiting for so long (GTX 1080 gang)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/439502850578710539.gif?size=48

[rigid fjord]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dgqrxr/
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/266NnQ/
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7kH99/
i would look for one of these

[fringe prairie]

c910 ehhhhhhhh

[tiny wharf]

anyone know if the EKWB EK-Nucleus AIO 240 is any good?

[foggy marsh]

Hmm yea okay i will see what i can get but also 200 for that kingston gen5 is not that bad right?

[fringe prairie]

https://sk.pcpartpicker.com/product/wfMMnQ/western-digital-wd_black-sn7100-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t4x0e-00cja0

if you want “gen 5” get the p510

[dull willow]

will be fine running 2x16gb ram at 2133MT/s shown on system settings and adding a trident skillz 3600 16gb

that my brother took out from his pc

same gen and all

[rigid fjord]

you'd want all the ram to be running at the same speed, ad 2133 is absolutely horrible for zen3's performance

[dull willow]

2133 is absolutely horrible for zen3's performance

meaning?

should i change something?

[rigid fjord]

the ram should be running at 3200 minimum

[ivory mountain]

is ddr4 2133 CL80 the new meta

[dull willow]

CORSAIR Vengeance RGB Pro SL 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600MT/s CL18 Black Desktop Memory Kit (CMH32GX4M2D3600C18)

this is what im running in my rig

[ivory mountain]

is bros xmp even on

[dull willow]

nope

[rigid fjord]

no

[ivory mountain]

use the 2 corsair sticks and turn on xmp

[rigid fjord]

downside is it's corsair ram

[ivory mountain]

fair

[dull willow]

i thought it bans from warranty and is unstable no?

[ivory mountain]

"bans from warranty" huh

[dull willow]

corsair ram is bad?

[rigid fjord]

no, and it can be when it comes to corsair ram

[dull willow]

meant as in like doesnt it [cant rmbr the word] from warranty

[grizzled frost]

xmp is specifically designed to be used

[rigid fjord]

seen people have issues with corsair vengeance line for stability

[dull willow]

can i run 3x16gb ram two corsair and G.SKILL Trident Z RGB Series?

[grizzled frost]

no

[south arrow]

Xmp is fine its if you set custom clocks and speeds and then claim it doesnt work where warranty would have to be like "user error"

[ivory mountain]

just put 1.9v without a fan bro smh

easy stability method

[south arrow]

Lmao

[dull willow]

arlight will do

also question, can 64gb ram be unstable cuz my brothers pc kept restarting by itself when left without using for a while

any idea what it kept happening? faulty psu?

[ivory mountain]

my 64gb ram knows better than to be unstable

[proper gull]

If XMP voided the warranty, you'd have to sue every ram manufacturer for false advertising because it's required for meeting the speed on the box if it's advertised as anything above the default

[south arrow]

Couldn't say could be alot of things but making a #1027757333117415424 with all the details and things tried and when it occurs, what the error is etc somone myte come along 🍀

[dull willow]

thank you

[thick hound]

i have a ls520se rn and plan on upgrading to a 7800x3d i only have the am4 bracket does that work with am5 or do i need to try and buy a replacement bracket

[tawny lava]

Which power strip is better for mounting under desk

Bar or block

[mental relic]

i’m trying to mount a gpu vertically but do i need to attach the riser cable to the case? i’d if that makes sense

[formal sonnet]

Depends entirely on the size of your desk, whether or not you want the built-in USB ports, if you would benefit from the flat wall plug, and how many annoying power brick's you need to plug in.

[gleaming rose]

apparently the cpu in my server is going for $12 a pop

it cant possibly be that slow

[hexed tapir]

are they UL 1449 rated?

[agile gale]

Gonna be attempting to upgrade my system this weekend from intel i3 7100 to r5 5600x.

Any tips to look out for? It’s going to be my first time really messing with my old pc. Most I’ve done was add new ram and add a gtx 1060 this year.

Dust box currently look like this 🫣

[dull crow]

what rgb software do you guys use to control all your stuff?
I have lianli fans if that matters...

[left dove]

Did you need a tissue?

[gleaming rose]

oh GOD that is bad

[dusk patio]

tech tip: if you're not sure about something, there's this wonderful thing called reading the manual

jokes aside (not really joking tho) make sure you swap the power supply cables for the new ones. A lot of people think they can reuse the old ones, but the pins are NOT standard on the PSU side

[left dove]

I think my bowel movements have better per core scoring

[south arrow]

Lmao

[frigid blade]

What cpu

[balmy tapir]

hey i have a poweredge R610 sitting right next to me!

[south arrow]

Looks great just take it slow. Each part should have a YouTube demo if needed and yuss as recommended above be sure to use only the new cables woth the new psu, also you'll have to take it all out. Then put the motherboard in first then you can decide the rest

[south arrow]

Signal rgb 4 lifeee

[balmy tapir]

very much a just okay server. i have a few running various VMs for webhosting and an MC server lol

[gleaming rose]

dual Intel Xeon E5-2690 v3

[left dove]

All 3 of my hairballs are laying on my feet it's so fucking WARM

[gleaming rose]

for $250, 5tb after raid 60, and 64 gigs of ram and an r730xd chassis though i cant complain

[proper gull]

It's long below "ok" at this point, it was an "ok" budget server in 2017

[frigid blade]

Can you find me an R940/XA for that price?

[gleaming rose]

not my expertise

like i have no clue what you're talking about

[gleaming rose]

it's a piece of shit, it's loud, and it's hot, but damn it works

[agile gale]

Thanks for the heads up. I think I’ve read somewhere before what people end up with issues or even fire hazard when trying to use the old cables. Luckily I don’t think I can f that up since I can’t remove my cables.

[gleaming rose]

and i mean $250 for all of this i cant really complain

[frigid blade]

Dell R940, you have an R730XD

[balmy tapir]

hey working hardware is working hardware. more than good enough for websites and vms lol

[gleaming rose]

even nowadays i would pay $250 for the barenaked hardware platform

[south arrow]

Oh and maybe put in the cpu 8 pins up top before installing the cooler ❤️

[gleaming rose]

i love enterprise hardware

[frigid blade]

I can’t find anything better than $700 for a barebones R940

It’s quad socket which is why I want and it’s the newer xeons

Also ddr4

[gleaming rose]

this is ddr4 too

[balmy tapir]

theres some pretty solid supermicro storage servers out there for cheaper

[frigid blade]

Yah but not my kinda cheap I’m the type of person to watch eBay for months for a super cheap listing

[balmy tapir]

ah quad socket also

[frigid blade]

Yah I want the quad socket so bad

Idk why, it’s just super cool

[gleaming rose]

quad socket lmao

isnt dual socket already a security risk on top of being incredibly wasteful

I know hyper threading is

[proper gull]

2010 called, they want their server back

[frigid blade]

I think you can get 28 cores and 4.5GHz boost on the R940, times 4

224 threads, yum

[balmy tapir]

the 940 is 2020?! my 610 is 2012!

[gleaming rose]

tell them I said no, it's my server now

[gleaming rose]

my r730xd is 2013 iirc

[frigid blade]

It’s a 2020? They’re pretty cheap for only 5 years

[proper gull]

2012? Huh? Which CPU does it have then?

[frigid blade]

Oh it’s 2017

Thats still very modern for a homelab

Can’t wait to set it up with 300TB of storage and never use it

[proper gull]

Based on the spec sheets the r610 is using CPUs from 2010

[balmy tapir]

interesting, i just pulled up a spec sheet and checked the copyright date lol

[balmy tapir]

no clue tbh

[frigid blade]

Google said 2017

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proper gull]

how do you not know what cpu your server has??

[balmy tapir]

i forgot

[proper gull]

bad nerd

[balmy tapir]

and its just sitting next to my desk unused lol

[frigid blade]

Send it over

[balmy tapir]

electricity too expensive and 1u server is evil

[proper gull]

Chuck it on the ewaste pile

[frigid blade]

Bro there was someone here offering to donate servers and no one took it cuz shipping

[proper gull]

Where it belongs

[frigid blade]

It would be coming from Australia

[balmy tapir]

nah it will be going in my Unis LUG server rack at some point to be a mirror or something maybe

haven't quite decided yet

[frigid blade]

I wanted a rack of blades at one point

But I decided it’s not as cool as quad socket

[left dove]

I want rack of lamb

[frigid blade]

https://tenor.com/view/lambon-velon-goat-tongue-cute-gif-14464060

[left dove]

Slaughter him for the curry cause

[proper gull]

It is 2010, R620 was 2012

[balmy tapir]

it was manufactured in 2012 however

[proper gull]

when it was built doesn't matter

It's spec is from 2010

[balmy tapir]

that it just what i was going off when i said the year 😭

[lunar idol]

Just finished porting Terraria to my CASIO fx-9750 G iii

[balmy tapir]

i somewhat doubt that

[lunar idol]

I used something called "Terrario" made by the people over at planet-casio.com

https://www.planet-casio.com/Fr/forums/topic16373-2-terrario-a-terraria-rewrite-for-the-calculator.html

[edgy valve]

Fn on performance mode has dotted textures and what looks like moving textures, why?

I also am getting 240+ fps consistently but game doesn’t feel smooth

[balmy tapir]

i see, you downloaded it from there? not porting it yourself?

[lunar idol]

Yeah, sorry for the wording. Couldn't think of another way to word it

[balmy tapir]

sorry for being pedantic, doesnt quite matter really

[lunar idol]

I didn't think you were being pedantic for the record, don't worry.

[real quiver]

Has anybody here used a creality 3d scanner?

I'm thinking about getting one but I don't know anybody that has one and I know creality is really hit or miss

Specifically looking at the ferret or ferret se

[lunar idol]

If you think it's hit or miss, I would go with the SE. Keep in mind this is from someone who knows NOTHING about any of this.

[real quiver]

The only reason I kind of want the regular ferret is so I can use it without a laptop

I don't need crazy high fidelity scans but I've tried photogrammetry and it's just far too inconsistent

[lunar idol]

I mean, being standalone IS a cool feature

If it's important to you, go for it

[hot trail]

How do I post help in this

[balmy tapir]

what

[dusky flare]

I wanted a console just so I can play gta 6 but I might get a steam machine even though I can't

I have a console worth of games in my steam library alone

[left trellis]

Any pcie slot power gpus that are better than the 3050 6gb under 100 usd used reccs?

[balmy tapir]

i think that is the most recent card

[novel burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/danganronpa-king-of-the-hill-jeff-jeff-boomhauer-boomhauer-gif-11348832211969904905

[thin bloom]

I think I need to clean my pc💀

I will clean it later. It's almost 9 pm for me and I just want to put it back together and play games

[nimble burrow]

Curious why the 5070 has 12 gigs of vram but the 5060ti has 16

[topaz shale]

5070 a scam

5070ti is the real 5070

[ivory mountain]

no u got another 8 years on it

[real quiver]

Because nvidia

It's like the 3060 vs 3060ti

[thin bloom]

My pc would probably look like my parents pc caked with dust. Image is from 2023

[real quiver]

3060 had more vram despite the 3060ti being the more capable card

[astral lichen]

is there a place to like see good current tech deals on amazon with this black friday deal?

[formal sonnet]

Yes, Amazon's website, when the deals start. Everything else is just speculation.

[azure latch]

did Steam just broke

saw concurrent player for cs2 dropped from a million to 300k

[astral lichen]

i feel you know what im talking about

[formal sonnet]

I actually do not. I cannot read minds. Say what you mean, and mean what you say. ❤️

[astral lichen]

i dislike you.

[nimble burrow]

(all prices in cad) looking at getting a new pc. I game and stream. My monitors are all 1080p @165 My options are 7700 + 5060ti (1599) 7700 + 9060xt (1399) 14700f + 5060ti (1799) 14700f + 5070 (1999) which pc should i get (9060xt is 16 gig version and 5060ti are all 8 gig versions)(all prices in cad) looking at getting a new pc. I game and stream. My monitors are all 1080p @165 My options are 7700 + 5060ti (1599) 7700 + 9060xt (1399) 14700f + 5060ti (1799) 14700f + 5070 (1999) which pc should i get (9060xt is 16 gig version and 5060ti are all 8 gig versions)

[tired path]

bro linus's be courteous advice is so clutch im getting a 1080ti for 7k rupees which is like 65 usd

[thin bloom]

I only got to put the gpu in now. I moved the wifi card from the top to the bottom but i had to lightly force the wifi card to go into place. Hope nothing goes wrong when I power it up

[topaz shale]

explosion

[thin bloom]

I'm about to take a video of me powering it on. You just got to wait and see

[topaz shale]

count me in for team explosion

[topaz shale]

good thing its level

[agile topaz]

Sound card sag

[topaz shale]

@thin bloom dumb question did you attach the antenna

[thin bloom]

Yes

[topaz shale]

its kinda strange you have a cable that needs to plug into ur wifi adapter

[thin bloom]

I think that pcie connector is fucked up. I remember pluging the gpu in that and the fans didn't work. The stupid thing I did in the past was I put the wifi card into that slot while pc was powered off and it sparked and turned the pc on

[agile topaz]

[thin bloom]

I think I blew a capacitor on the board or something and that's why it don't work

The wifi card perfectly fits but I killed power to the slot and now I have to find why it don't got power

Now I just have to turn the pc off and pull the gpu and see if I can find the problem. Hopefully it's not a bad chip because idk if I can replace it since this board is from 2015

I hope it's a capacitor because I can pull off one from a dead board I have

I'm going to make a post in #1027757333117415424 to have help fixing the pcie slot

[south arrow]

[ivory mountain]

okay ngl this isnt that bad

[viscid helm]

bot

[ivory mountain]

bro fuck all of these teammates

[south arrow]

They had one jobbb

Poor dudes level 3 just doing his bestt

[ivory mountain]

he joined late

im ready to make this new pc so bad mannn

[south arrow]

The build bug will getcha

[viscid helm]

anyone used this?

$410 here

[mint umbra]

Will steam frame have hand tracking

[mint umbra]

I just buy the Chinese knock offs

For like 100 bucks

[proper gull]

Buy once, cry once

[mint umbra]

You got me fucked if you think I playing 600 bucks for a vacuum

[proper gull]

And how many of the knockoffs have you bought for $100 so far?

[mint umbra]

One and it's still going strong

[proper gull]

Then word your shit better because what you said implies you've had to buy many

[mint umbra]

It's just a fact Dyson shit is Overpriced

I've watched reviews comparing models and the difference is marginal

[empty quartz]

@proper gull i think im getting old

I got fucking excited about really good fuel economy

[proper gull]

[empty quartz]

(Average over 112km)

[plush wren]

Why is that a thing that makes you feel old

[empty quartz]

This car is not a hybrid

[proper gull]

Huh

What car is it?

[empty quartz]

2014 honda accord with a k24 and cvt

[proper gull]

tf

black magic

[empty quartz]

It makes like 183hp

[proper gull]

I can get under 7 in my 2zz corolla but damn, a bigger engine getting less

that CVT is doing some heavy lifting

[radiant geyser]

sad times, bricked my 9070xt. So i orderd a msi trio 5070ti

[tired bear]

How?

[rigid fjord]

nope, some how the X axis gantry was off by 2mm on either side forcing it one side of it to be higher than the other and causing it to clog up, and i knew i measured it correctly to ensure that wouldn't happen the first time

[radiant geyser]

changed my paste and pads. Messed up the screws somehow and now the hotspot is over 100 playing High demaning gpu games. Iv opened it many times. Idk what happend, but il contact asrock to see if they can send me a new presure plate for the cooler to the gpu dye

[sleek ibex]

[radiant geyser]

so minecraft, roblox, and similar games has to do

[plush wren]

[radiant geyser]

or play on my switch

[random gyro]

god bless

[polar bane]

just buy it, but check out the newer models, sometimes the price diff is pretty small

[random gyro]

i think you can get it repaired at a shop

but i hope the best for u and ur financial loss

[radiant geyser]

maybe maybe. That whould be nice tbh. But the sticker thats losses the warenty is gone, but lets see when i call asrock if they can send a new plate. Probobly not

[random gyro]

i think that you can get parts for gpus from chinese manafacturers but im not so sure

[radiant geyser]

well iv tried, if you like, you can try to find that frame that puts pressure on the cooler to the gpu dye on a 9070xt steel legend @random gyro

[random gyro]

sure, im a wizard at finding shit from shenxhen XD

ill pm u if i find one\

[radiant geyser]

just dm me if you find anything, i will be inn your debt xD

[random gyro]

what variant of the 9070xt is that again?

[radiant geyser]

the white steel legend from asrock

[random gyro]

hm okay

[tranquil terrace]

Got my new pc yesturday

[scenic juniper]

not sure if right channel

any way to bypass failed gpu?

[random gyro]

god damn the prices for a nice 16:10 monitor

theyre cheap, but shipping isnt quite so

i think if i find a good deal from australia or china i might have a chance (?)

[long brook]

this will be intresting to test https://x.com/nvidiacc/status/1991313650058219829?s=20

NVIDIA Customer Care (@nvidiacc)

NVIDIA GeForce Hotfix Driver v581.94 is now available.

This update resolves the following:
✅Lower performance may be observed in some games after updating to Windows 11 October 2025 KB5066835

Click below to learn more: ⤵️
https://t.co/qXUeFIew3Z

X · Nov 20, 2025, 1:12 AM

[midnight rampart]

Airflow ok?

[pale flint]

intake?

[tawny lava]

Is it worth it to buy 2 more AW2725DF to match my main monitor or just keep the cheap monitors on the side

[rigid fjord]

perfect

[rigid fjord]

would be at the bottom there but half of it is coverd by psu

[pale flint]

oh alright

[pale flint]

i'd keep it as it is but if you got extra money to buy 2 monitors then go ahead

[indigo basin]

do we think this port is repairable

it's meant to just be power delivery

but it has data lines connected for some reason

[tawny lava]

like replace the port?

[indigo basin]

yeah

[tawny lava]

yeah but typically for repairs like that you'd want a hot air station

[indigo basin]

mhh don't have that available to me

[pale flint]

what country are you from?

[tawny lava]

you could use a normal soldering iron to replace the component but you'd risk putting too much heat on the board and damaging it

[indigo basin]

soldering iron would probably just solder off the nearby components too

[rigid fjord]

not if it's a fine tip tbh

but ideally, hot air station would be better

[midnight rampart]

Don't have

[pale flint]

bruh

[tawny lava]

through hole components like that are just a pain in the ass to do with a normal soldering iron, i would just get a hot air station

[midnight rampart]

Nothing to change?
Cpu idles 40, heats to 85
I think that's stock cooler maybe

[rigid fjord]

nope, that's perfect for the cpu

you can add an extra fan at the bottom if you want an intake added in

[midnight rampart]

5600G

[indigo basin]

how plausible would taking it to one of those random ass phone repair stands and asking for a replacement

[pale flint]

85 max is perfect

[midnight rampart]

Hmm, it's actually my office pc

[indigo basin]

would they even have the hardware

[midnight rampart]

I game on it as well

My main pc is 12700F and 3070

[rigid fjord]

if they got usb C sockets, and a hot air station for the repairs, very plausible

[solar moat]

thats fine

[indigo basin]

might try asking the engineering teacher at my school first, if not I'll try that

[rigid fjord]

no harm in adding 1 more fan, but temp wise, perfect on the cpu

[strange atlas]

What would take more time downloading a game to ssd directly or copying from hdd to ssd

1000 mbit internet

[indigo basin]

depends on the SSD and HDD

HDD will be faster than the SSD if you want the same game on the SSD (copying)

[strange atlas]

my hdd can do like 115 mb/s

[indigo basin]

then the HDD is unlikely to be the issue

for copyijg

it'll be faster than your internet

1000mbit is like 60mbyte/s

[strange atlas]

okay thanks

[rigid fjord]

125MB/s

[indigo basin]

oh right

1000/8

[rigid fjord]

divide it by 8

[indigo basin]

that would put it on par with internet, local would still probably be faster since there's no unzipping overhead

[rigid fjord]

dude, if you're using steam, it'll be quicker to just transfer between the drives

[strange atlas]

yes steam how

back it up then move it?

oh damn didnt know about this

[rigid fjord]

nope, just straight up move the game over to another drive, it's a built in option on steam

[random gyro]

guten morgen

i have found out you can put skins on apps

my setup will be complete and it will look very sugoi amazing desu

i was gonna say i found a case for my laptop but i remembered i already shared it

[rough salmon]

so funny

[west arrow]

Can someone recommend a good and cheap mini-led ips monitor? (1440p at least 144hz)

[untold hornet]

So what would be a good gpu setup for photo editting, image rendering an slight 3d modeling an slight gaming. Good as is in price wise i was thinking 2-4 vega 64 fe 16gb hbm2

[scenic juniper]

how do i stop my gpu from short circuiting every time i boot up?

[untold hornet]

Check power cables would be the first thing see if theres any unplugged parts are broken connectors. Check to see if that the gpu itself is ok may need to reply thermal paste or just dust it. Then see if the power supply is able to supply all power needed to the whole pc an the pc isnt crashing from that

[scenic juniper]

laptop gpu

it failed a couple months ago so i was surviving on an integrated gpu

[untold hornet]

Like a external gpu

That had failed or like one built into the pc @scenic juniper

[rigid fjord]

no fixing it yourself

[random gyro]

go go! tech repair shop!

[rigid fjord]

the dgpu on a laptop is built into the laptops mainboard, it's essentially a complete replacement of the mainboard

[untold hornet]

I would take your lap top appart WATCH A TARE DOWN FIRST to see how normally my experience with a laptop gpu is that it needs new thermal paste put on an dusted out

[scenic juniper]

but that's boring and expensive

[untold hornet]

@scenic juniper

[scenic juniper]

i tore it down 3 times already and there's still thermal paste

old though very old but i don't think that would fix the problem

[random gyro]

you need your gpu, right?

you like your laptop enough and want it to last long?

[scenic juniper]

no i just need it to boot up on the igpu which it did for 5 months

[random gyro]

go to a tech repair shop

[scenic juniper]

i want it to last 1 singular day extra so i can back up the ssd

[rigid fjord]

you're not fixing it yourself, it's literally a replacement

[random gyro]

or brick your computer

your choice

[rough salmon]

is it true the base steam machine might cost like $800

[rigid fjord]

the ssd is removable and can be put in another laptop/desktop

[random gyro]

this

[scenic juniper]

wouldn't it just format the drive because the drivers are different

[pearl fossil]

unless you know bga work

[scenic juniper]

ie msi drivers and acer drivers

[random gyro]

whoooo careees

[rigid fjord]

which means you have the skills and a decent hotair station, which i really doubt he has

[random gyro]

your laptop turns on, yes?

you can still use it normally?

[pearl fossil]

i found a few pcs at school, wish i could take one home

[thin plover]

iirc all that's known is they said it would be cheaper than current gen consoles

[scenic juniper]

how did it work for 5 months and why did it stop working today? everyone i boot it up i press the heat sink and i can feel it going to unholy temps then either shuts down or boots normally for 20 seconds then freezes

[rough salmon]

so itll be around maybe $500?

[thin plover]

no clue

[random gyro]

oh... ohhhhg..... that monitor is so good and crisp

[thin plover]

ps5 pro is 800 here

[rough salmon]

if its swappable ssd then ill for sure get the base model and then just buy a 4tb nvme ssd

[pearl fossil]

i love old computers

[rough salmon]

either that or i get an external ssd

[pearl fossil]

this one has a 2.8ghz pentium 4, 768mb ddr ram, 80gb ide hdd

integrated intel extreme 2 graphics

[rough salmon]

oh nice, will work for mc bedrock server haha

[pearl fossil]

and it has windows xp pro installed atm

[rigid fjord]

this is what you'd use for one of a few retro builds

[rigid fjord]

no

[rough salmon]

download linux mint onto it, bring life

[pearl fossil]

fuck you

[rough salmon]

chrome os flex

[random gyro]

LMAO

[pearl fossil]

still linux so fuck you

[random gyro]

windows xp is lively

[pearl fossil]

mac os x snow leopard

[pearl fossil]

those are the people who run linux

[rough salmon]

so im a nerd for having a steam deck huhhh?

[pearl fossil]

i mean yeah but we're all nerds here in a way or another

[random gyro]

but my phone is android... do i look like that

[pearl fossil]

what regular person would like tech so much as to join a tech youtuber's server

[rough salmon]

um actually windows 11 is already cloud based 🤓

[pearl fossil]

nah, it might be based off the linux kernel but it's so drastically different and way more mainstream than any pc linux distro

[rough salmon]

same with the quest 3

[pearl fossil]

btw y'all... i'm saving money to get a macbook... sorry

[rough salmon]

keep forgetting the quest 3 is android lmao

[random gyro]

its ok.... but why a macbook

[pearl fossil]

why windows

i prefer macOS than windows

[random gyro]

understandable

[pearl fossil]

and i have an iphone and ipad anyways... my macs are all old intel so i think it's time for an upgrade

like my newest mac is from 2014 yk

hackintosh is mostly dead so i'll just keep my hackintoshes on sequoia for now

[sleek ibex]

I haven't used a Mac in ages. My experience was mostly on G3 and G4 era ones

[random gyro]

i never used a mac outside apple stores 💔 so i wont really understand

[pearl fossil]

the operating system does look and feel nice though right?

[random gyro]

yes

[pearl fossil]

i like the little animations and the general snappy feel

i'm going for a 16gb m3 macbook air 15"

[random gyro]

i love how it looks, but im just used to windows, and macbooks are extremely expensive where im at

[sleek ibex]

Those were running mostly Mac OS 8-9

[pearl fossil]

yeah... same here, i'm in europe and they're super expensive

that's why i only buy second hand or refurb

[random gyro]

even second hand or refurbished they're the exact same price of a brand new mid-high tier gaming laptop

[pearl fossil]

or if someone else buys it for me 😭

[edgy holly]

wait fr ? that's a banger holy shit

[pearl fossil]

yeah but you don't get them for gaming

[random gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333565770986426501/1411863487080300574/resize.webp

[pearl fossil]

i mean you can game on them and the performance can be good but eh

[edgy holly]

if it is im buying it instantly 😭

[sleek ibex]

I remember when Mac OS used to have a small but decent selection of games like Marathon

[plush wren]

[pearl fossil]

nowadays you can use windows translation and emulation layers or make an arm windows vm

[edgy holly]

i dont really need the gabecube but i love the idea too much

[pearl fossil]

or just emulate x86 64 windows

[plush wren]

since when are you a cat

[random gyro]

my idea of gaming is the sims, minecraft and project zomboid...

[plush wren]

[pearl fossil]

i know minecraft works at least

[edgy holly]

project zomboid is like the sims if they had zombies

and if the devs fucking hated the playerbase

[timber ocean]

Could a humming sound in a pc come from the hard drives?

[random gyro]

i can barely survive a day in zomboid...

[edgy holly]

when do yall think the preorders for the gabecube and the steam frame will come out 🤔

[random gyro]

fans as well

[timber ocean]

I have stopped all besides one which I cant access but didnt change anything

[thin plover]

the gabecube

lmao

[random gyro]

so yes harddrive

[thin plover]

I think 2026 though

[timber ocean]

so its time to see where the harddrives are mounted and press down slightly on them to test or can I test it any other way?

[edgy holly]

it comes out early 2026 they said if i remember well

[edgy holly]

it makes perfect sense to call it that

[edgy holly]

so i think they'll maybe open the preorders for christmas ?

would be smart i think

[thin plover]

ohhh

would be a good Christmas present

a preorder

[edgy holly]

ikr ?

[edgy holly]

if they do release the preorder around that time ill prolly ask for financial help to buy the steam frame if its in the 500-600 euro budget otherwise ill just get a steam controller or a gabecube if it's cheap

[lapis talon]

should I go for a MSI Katana or a Lenovo Legion 5?

which one has a better build quality?

[vague talon]

Can't we just have a stable market for ONCE 🥀
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[cold gust]

anyone done/know a review on the Gigabyte GeForce RTX 5080 WINDFORCE OC SFF? I find barely any mention of it anywhere.

[west arrow]

Which is beter the Xiaomi G pro 27i or the AOC Q27G4XM? I chose those two because theyre mini-led qled ips and theyre basically the chapest.

[sinful cobalt]

What are you specifically looking for? It works, doesnt have bad temps

arguably the ventus is the shittiest

[glass perch]

i think I have a weird overlay where i cant open drop down stuff or select options in some apps whenever I have chrome open, can someone help?

I don't know what to ask on google though I tried similar searches and got nothing useful

[outer cave]

Guys I need help #1439665838083805236 for a bit of context. What do I do

[mint umbra]

Will steam frame be affordable

[sinful cobalt]

Depends what you consider "affordable"

[mint umbra]

And if If steam frame doesn't have hand tracking that's an L

Since the quest does

[mint umbra]

Similar to quest 3 pricing

[grizzled frost]

definitely not

[alpine heron]

It has controllers and controllers have tracking?

Generally your hands are on the controllers

[grizzled frost]

only the apple vision pro does that well

and it doesn’t actually make good use of it

[mint umbra]

Quest 3 has controller free tracking

[grizzled frost]

its not great though

it’s camera based iirc

[mint umbra]

I means it's good enough for like browsing when watching vr YouTube ect

[alpine heron]

I don't see the point of that honestly

[cold gust]

no, it's just the cheapest 5080 i was able to find, it was on black friday sale

[alpine heron]

I don't need even more gesture control junk

[mint umbra]

Wasn't expecting to play beat saber

[grizzled frost]

to be fair, beat saber is like the ultimate test for tracking

[mint umbra]

Wdym geasure control junk I don't see issue in having more options

[grizzled frost]

i can feel when my controller is off by a couple mm

granted i play expert+ levels

[alpine heron]

More options means more hardware and software which means more money and if many don't want that.. Its a waste

[grizzled frost]

my excitement for the steam frame is the wireless pc streaming

no more head cable!

[mint umbra]

Still if this thing is priced same as index I dont think it will be worth

[grizzled frost]

I think it absolutely will be

if you price it the same as the index minus the base stations, it’d be a great price

[mint umbra]

I mean it has worse controllers than index worse audio ect

[cosmic idol]

I just posted in #virtual-reality, but considering we're talking about vr stuffs here too;
what are our thoughts on an oculus rift s, for something to just plug in and use, without a lot of fussing about..?

[grizzled frost]

it has a computer, battery, and inside out tracking

[alpine heron]

Different controllers and different sound you mean

Isn't straight up worse

[cosmic idol]

yeah.
It actually looks really promising
a lot of wireless implementations thus far have been.. uhh. hmm.
"ah this is is supposed to be 5k, why does it look like its 720p 😔"
So I'm really curious to see how it goes

[mint umbra]

The audio def gunna be worse without the integrated headphones

Just having some speakers gunna sound worse

[alpine heron]

Different not worse

They shifted some focus of the product so its optimized for a different usage

[grizzled frost]

i'm also curious how the latency will be

i'm rather sensitive to it

[cosmic idol]

Yup!!!

[alpine heron]

Its not worse for its different to use

[mint umbra]

Mate you acting like they gunna be putting some expensive ass speakers in there

[cold gust]

it also costed like 11990kr (1176 usd), and it being 25% import it would be 882 dollars pre-import

[mint umbra]

Most vr headset speakers are shit

[grizzled frost]

why are you assuming they aren't going to have a quality audio solution?

[cosmic idol]

me when I move my head and it takes 2-3 business days for it to update lmao

[grizzled frost]

even just 10-20ms is nauseating

[mint umbra]

Cuz I've yet to see good speakers on a ve headset

[grizzled frost]

the headphones on the valve index are essentially speakers

[mint umbra]

It's much easier to make headphones sound good at low costs

Unless they driving prices up even more

For high end speakers

[grizzled frost]

as long as it has a 3.5mm jack i'm happy

i throw in some IEMs and i'm set

[mint umbra]

And the controllers just look like quest controllers

[alpine heron]

I'll rock my own audio solution

[grizzled frost]

okay?

there's only so many comfortable shapes for vr controllers

[mint umbra]

Index controllers were better

[alpine heron]

But I'm the crazy person using some rcf art 935 as speakers in my house, and some custom iems for portable use

Did you know that index controllers still function?

And you can mix n match devices? That's part of what is so awesome on PC

[mint umbra]

It's a downgrade in controllers

[grizzled frost]

so don't buy the controllers?

[alpine heron]

If it doesn't fit your use case don't get it

For others it's a welcome change

[mint umbra]

I mean your still paying for the controllers when you buy the device since they come included most likely

[alpine heron]

And they should get it

[grizzled frost]

you'll almost certainly be able to buy just the headset, like with the index

[alpine heron]

That's a bold assumption given that wasn't the case with the last VR setup valve released

[broken perch]

I don't ever remember seeing an index bundle without the controllers

[grizzled frost]

you can buy any single part of the index on it's own

[mint umbra]

I mean ppl assumed steam machinewas gunna be close to console prices and they would sell at loss but that doesn't seem case

Based on what I've heard

You should never assume

[broken perch]

When it came out, you could simply buy JUST the index. Nothing else? I duno about that one frank

[grizzled frost]

i bought just the headset when i got the index, as i already had the controllers

[grizzled frost]

yes, you could buy just the headset, or you could buy just the controllers, or just the base stations, or just the headset and controllers, or everything

[mint umbra]

Still think it will be too expensive for not much of an upgrade

[broken perch]

I could be wrong, but I thought when it released, it had two main bundles. With the little stations to place in your room, and without them. Could have sworn those were the only few.

[grizzled frost]

a transition from a tethered headset to a completely stand alone headset with inside out tracking isn't enough for you?

[mint umbra]

No

[broken perch]

It'll basically be the quest 3 on steroids

[mint umbra]

I'm not walking around my house using vr

[alpine heron]

You certainly could. Each component was sold and then there was a bundle. I hopped on the controllers waitlist immediately

[grizzled frost]

okay?

[mint umbra]

So wireless don't matter really

[lapis furnace]

VS Code disappeared from start menu and nothing shows up when I search for "visual" "vs" "code" "visual studio" etc. send help

[grizzled frost]

then you're not the target audience

[broken perch]

Actually kinda insane they did that. I honestly didn't know.

[mint umbra]

Wired connection will always be more stable

[alpine heron]

Cool, this product was optimized for a different use so doesn't appeal to you

[mint umbra]

Wireless has issues

[grizzled frost]

as previously stated, you're not the target audience then

[grizzled frost]

as does wired

[mint umbra]

Unless your moving from room to room not really

[alpine heron]

The tether is "okay" but don't lieke it

[broken perch]

I love my quest 3 being able to literally walk downstairs without having to take it off. Then resuming when I get back into my pc room. Shit, I've played games laying down in bed. I remember play star trek just chillin.

[grizzled frost]

you know how many times i've stepped on the tether and yanked on my skull?

[alpine heron]

Have you don't much dancing and spinning?

[broken perch]

Playing phasmaphobia vr was enough of a reason to not be tethered for me lol

[mint umbra]

I attack vr tether to ceiling

[grizzled frost]

I happen to be fairly experienced with VR

[mint umbra]

Attach

[grizzled frost]

ceiling fan

[alpine heron]

So you're saying you can do a backflip and not get tangled?

[mint umbra]

I don't have those

[broken perch]

I honestly dont see much of a clarity difference between being tethered and non with quest 3.

[mint umbra]

Im not doing backflips

[grizzled frost]

yet again, just because a device isn't an improvement for your situation, doesn't mean it isn't a massive improvement for many

[mint umbra]

I'm not trying to break my neck

[alpine heron]

Again, cool, this product is not optimized for YOU. It is optimized for other people and those other people matter too

[broken perch]

What, you not pulling a Fillian and jumping off chairs?

[tired bear]

Disassemble it and send a photo of the paste spread, maybe it didn’t spread out fully

[mint umbra]

I doubt 90% of ppl are doing back flips

[alpine heron]

Some of us are

[grizzled frost]

Plenty of people don't want a tether

[mint umbra]

What's a fillan

[grizzled frost]

Being able to just walk around wherever you want and use your headset is a massive benefit for many

[thin plover]

I prefer wireless for vr

[grizzled frost]

it gives you far more flexibility for where you can use your headset

[alpine heron]

Some of us are in places where we can't realistically use base stations or ceiling mounted tethers or a plethora of things

[broken perch]

Also, one less thing to buy and worry about connecting

[thin plover]

don't have the cable or the roof attachment to hang up a wire

[grizzled frost]

two less things

[mint umbra]

I mean you still have to stay in the zone that is mapped

[broken perch]

Technically yeah

[alpine heron]

Kinda?

[grizzled frost]

Still gives you the flexibility to be able to move to another area and play there instead

[broken perch]

I have an index with base stations. I still prefer quest 3

For the freedom

[grizzled frost]

instead of being locked into wherever you happened to have mounted your base stations

[alpine heron]

I got rid of my index whenever I moved as my new space didn't support it really

This might actually be an option that gets me back in

[broken perch]

Sucks. It is such a good vr

[grizzled frost]

Love my index

[alpine heron]

By got rid of I mean I gave it to a friend

[grizzled frost]

i've tried the og vive, vive pro 2, index, and quest 2, and the index is my preferred headset

[broken perch]

I remember modding monster hunter world and playing that in vr on my index

[mint umbra]

Not having colored pass through is an L

For a wireless headset

[broken perch]

Lol

[grizzled frost]

colored pass through is such a gimmick to me

[alpine heron]

Again... You are welcome to believe that, but just like you're not finding value in some things that's one others don't find value in

[mint umbra]

I mean being able to like do other tasks other than just gaming

[thin plover]

just take off your headset to get colors

[broken perch]

Having a quest 3 with colored pass through, its ... meh, its clear enough I could take it or leave it

[viscid helm]

they won't last bro

[thin plover]

too blurry anyways, just lift the headset up if you do something

[grizzled frost]

just admit the headset isn't for you, damocles, and move on

[viscid helm]

I can't believe this comment

[mint umbra]

It's lasted 3 years now

[ivory mountain]

my one experience with VR was like a week or 2 after a rly bad concussion safe to say i never tried it again

[alpine heron]

Passthrough is mostly a quick check on what's going on, it's VR not AR

[grizzled frost]

do not use VR with a concussion

[mint umbra]

Vr still too niche not enough big games come out

[broken perch]

Yeah, I'd you want AR get the one apple one, and spend 5k on it

[broken perch]

Bruh

[grizzled frost]

i don't see how that's a complaint about the frame

[alpine heron]

Cool so save your money and play something else?

[ivory mountain]

i got cleared to look at screens again as soon as i looked into the headset i got sick and got dizzy 😭 this was like 2021

[grizzled frost]

there is some adjustment to be had

[mint umbra]

Where are the games on half life Alxy quality

[alpine heron]

I'll be over here playing some VR games whenever I get a free moment to do so

[alpine heron]

That game sucks compared to vrc for me

[grizzled frost]

half life alyx is like solidly okay

[mint umbra]

Like it's been years and that's still the best experience I've had on vr

[alpine heron]

Solo game? I don't have time for that

[broken perch]

There are a ton of them, you clearly are just making shit up.

[grizzled frost]

it doesn't really use the VR medium all that well

it feels like a desktop game ported to VR

[alpine heron]

If it doesn't have multiplayer it's not worth booting up

[grizzled frost]

not a huge fan of MP VR

[broken perch]

Clearly you dont know a quality vr game until you play VR Paradise, a vr stripper game

[mint umbra]

Would play single player games over shit like vrc

[broken perch]

[mint umbra]

Vrc is cancer

[slow grove]

Hello
I was thinking to make something like a home server. I will probably use it as like a cloud storage, pi hole and maybe streaming. I dont really know much about making home servers and stuff but i found few pc’s. What do you think? Do you have any recommendations? They will run 24/7.

Dell OptiPlex 3050 USFF

• Intel® Celeron® G3900T (2M 2.6GHz)
• 16GB DDR4
• 256GB SSD
• Intel HD Graphics 630
  63.91 €

Fujitsu Esprimo Q556 USFF

• Intel Core i3-6100T (3M, 3.20 GHz)
• 16GB
• 256GB SSD
• Intel HD Graphics 530
  73.11 €

HP EliteDesk 800 G2 SFF

• Intel Core i5-6500 (6M, 3.20 GHz, до 3.60 GHz)
• 16GB DDR4
• 256GB SSD
• Intel HD Graphics 530
  105.33 €

HP ProDesk 600 G3 SFF

• Intel Core i5-6500 (6M, 3.20 GHz, до 3.60 GHz)
• 16GB DDR4
• 1TB HDD
• Intel HD Graphics 530
  123.73 €

Dell OptiPlex 3050 USFF

• Intel Core i5-7500T (6M, 2.70 GHz, до 3.30 GHz)
• 16GB DDR4
• 256GB SSD
• Intel HD Graphics 630
  128.33 €

Dell OptiPlex 3040 Tower

• Intel Core i7-6700 (8M, 3.40 GHz, до 4.00 GHz))
• 12GB DDR4
• 256GB SSD
• Intel HD Graphics 530
  132.94 €

HP EliteDesk 800 G3 USFF

• Intel Core i5-7500T (6M, 2.70 GHz, до 3.30 GHz)
• 16GB DDR4
• 256GB SSD
• Intel HD Graphics 630
  137.54 €

Dell OptiPlex 3070

• Intel® Core™ i3-8100T (6M, 2.40Ghz до 3.10Ghz)
• 16GB DDR4
• 256GB SSD
• Intel UHD Graphics 630
  137.54 €

HP 280 G2 SFF

• Intel Core i5-7500 (6M, 3.40 GHz, до 3.80 GHz)
• 16GB DDR4
• 1TB HDD
• Intel HD Graphics 630
  137.54 €

[grizzled frost]

holy fucking wall

[alpine heron]

VR mp is pretty niche

[broken perch]

I just dont think vr is for you my guy

[grizzled frost]

also #1106613567966429224

[alpine heron]

Payday 2 VR was a good deal of fun though

[mint umbra]

I've played VR I just don't like vr mp

[alpine heron]

Since could play with non VR folks too

[mint umbra]

Gate keeping vr lmao

[random gyro]

"first glasses free 3d handheld" as if the 3ds didnt exist since 2011

[grizzled frost]

i'm not a huge fan of MP in general to be fair

[broken perch]

Its fine to say vr isnt for you. But clearly its getting more and more popular. They have a slew of AAA games. Freedom of movement. Work and professional support. Exercise games. Rpgs, cozy games.

[alpine heron]

I need mp. Games are purely for socializing for me

[stuck spruce]

i know the os is based off of android but i cant prove it

[broken perch]

I looooooved metal gear solid, the one card game on my 3ds

[mint umbra]

I wish steam machine was windows out of the box

[sinful cobalt]

get out

[grizzled frost]

that is the worst idea i have ever heard

[alpine heron]

I don't

[broken perch]

Wtf is wrong with you

[random gyro]

its good to see 3D having a comeback though, has anyone seen the samsung odyssey 3D display?

[alpine heron]

I don't like spending an extra $100 on an OS I don't want to use

[mint umbra]

Can't play games with anti cheat

[random gyro]

its a game console, not a pc.

[grizzled frost]

windows has to be the worst possible OS for a VR headset

[broken perch]

Yes you can lol

[grizzled frost]

how many VR games have kernel anticheat?

[mint umbra]

A game console that can't play popular no titles cuz of anti cheat

[broken perch]

Bro, you just trolling and rage baiting at this point

[mint umbra]

Like battle Feild

[sinful cobalt]

dude is just either really stupid or just rage baiting

[grizzled frost]

ah yes, the famous VR game, battlefield

[broken perch]

They literally showed them playing bf6 on one of their trailers / interviews

[random gyro]

i see your point there, but i believe that game consoles should be for gaming only and not...doing your science homework

[random gyro]

https://www.samsung.com/ph/monitors/gaming/odyssey-3d-g90xf-27-inch-165hz-uhd-ls27fg900xexxp/ :>

[mint umbra]

I said steam machine not steam frame for windows

[grizzled frost]

Oh, yeah also horrible

[sinful cobalt]

im not sure if I should call the fire department or the vet after he made that horrendous statement

[alpine heron]

Glad that's a game I don't play so don't care if it runs or not

[stuck spruce]

kind of a bummer that there isnt a oled 1080p monitor

[sinful cobalt]

its both burnt and raw

[grizzled frost]

Also there's a solid chance kernel anticheat will work on the steam machine with its translation layer and valve's relationship with these large game brands

[wheat torrent]

If you want a processor than Is smaller than the usual PC CPU where do you go, what companies make such things except intel amd and snapdragon

[alpine heron]

Smaller? Why?

[random gyro]

its a bit of a shame but i think theres a good reason why they dont exist (they do but theyre less abundant)

[broken perch]

Besides, the steam box is a pc, you can install windows if you want to take a 10% fps hit to all your game. Having windows doesn't mean "anti cheat" can be used. The games now want secure boot which is done on a bios level. You dont know what your talking about. Just stop. Its ok to be wrong and have an opinion. But not present it as fact.

[mint umbra]

Many games that use battle eye can't play on Linux either

[wheat torrent]

For whatever reason, some small device or whatever

[alpine heron]

Okay. And?

[wheat torrent]

Is there any company that makes small efficient processors but still powerful

[mint umbra]

Basicly any competitive game you can't play

[grizzled frost]

apple

[alpine heron]

Have you looked into mini PCs?

[stuck spruce]

arm cpus exist

[wheat torrent]

But those are like private

Is there no other company that actually sells such things

[mint umbra]

And some ppl like those games I don't see what your not getting

[random gyro]

theres one reason, such as how production costs make it cost closer to a 1440p or 4K oled, which i see. oleds are expensive

[grizzled frost]

then don't buy it?

[stuck spruce]

true

[mint umbra]

It's a machine made for playing games that can't play all the games

[grizzled frost]

you act like every product ever has to be perfect for every person ever

[alpine heron]

Same situation as some people like wireless VR. Not everyone cares some do. Play and buy what you like

[wheat torrent]

We have AMD, Intel, snapdragon and that's it?

[grizzled frost]

also,

Also there's a solid chance kernel anticheat will work on the steam machine with its translation layer and valve's relationship with these large game brands

[alpine heron]

And apple

[random gyro]

and so as the xbox, playstation, and the nintendo, its a game console that cant play all the games.

[broken perch]

Are you smooth brained?

[mint umbra]

That's copuim

[random gyro]

you forgot that ibm makes the powerpc? ;-;

(jk, powerpc dead)

[grizzled frost]

IBM doesn't design silicon anymore

[alpine heron]

Can it play bloodborne? Or insert whatever PS5 exclusive is hot right now

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-leclerc-i-am-stupid-gif-18097436

this legit the energy you’re giving off

[random gyro]

yep, theyre dead

[alpine heron]

You forgot about silicon graphics and irix

[mint umbra]

Linux isn't popular enough for these devs to have Linux work on it

[random gyro]

zilog? the z80 hasnt been changed since the 70s, you know its futureproofed when it hasnt been changed for 50 years XD

[broken perch]

The steam box isnt perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But itll be a great mini pc for what it is. And having built mini pcs, it can be a nightmare. The fact it can do what it can, is short of a miracle for what they will sell it at.

[grizzled frost]

i think you vastly underestimate the sway that valve has

[wheat torrent]

Do they actually sell the chips

[mint umbra]

Depends on the price

[wheat torrent]

Like I'm not talking about the products

[alpine heron]

Did they announce the price of the steam stuff?

[wheat torrent]

I'm talking about processors itself

[grizzled frost]

no

[alpine heron]

No

[grizzled frost]

you don't want socketed processors for a mini pc

[broken perch]

Steam is notorious for taking a hit on their hardware, because they make it back 100 fold on their ecosystem and games on steam

[sinful cobalt]

you can play like 90% games on linux now I want to know what Damocles is smoking

[grizzled frost]

worse cooling and takes up more room

[mint umbra]

If they had that kind of sway they would have done so on the steam deck already

[random gyro]

its also a mainstream gaming console thats competing against the xbox, playstation, and nintendo :0

[wheat torrent]

Oh hold on though I forgot we have ampere CPUs

[grizzled frost]

comparing a low power handheld to the steam machine is fucking wild

[random gyro]

im sure any kid who gets it for christmas wont care if it doesnt have all of the games. theyll still have fun with it and thats all that matters :)

[mint umbra]

Didn't Linux say something about 509 dollars to valve and they reacted Negitively

[wheat torrent]

Even not socketed, like there is no way there is only 4 companies that sell the actual chips as a product

[mint umbra]

Linus*

[alpine heron]

What?

[wheat torrent]

I forgot about ampere through

[grizzled frost]

there's only 3 worth considering

[broken perch]

No, lol. They answered that they dont have an official prixe yet.

[wheat torrent]

What are they

[alpine heron]

That's kinds how that works

[grizzled frost]

there's a million other brands, but they all suck

[grizzled frost]

no idea, never looked into it, because they're objectively inferior

[broken perch]

Even at 700$ its still a good price for what it can do

[random gyro]

except zilog my beloved ofc

[wheat torrent]

Hmm so what other brands are like up there

[grizzled frost]

there aren't any

[wheat torrent]

We have
Amd Intel snapdragon Ampere

[alpine heron]

There's other architectures

[wheat torrent]

There has to be something else

[grizzled frost]

you're either AMD, Intel, Snapdragon, sorta amper, or you're entirely irrelevant

[wheat torrent]

That's kinda goofy

[alpine heron]

Not sure what you're calling ampere

[wheat torrent]

The ampere cpus

[alpine heron]

Which are what?

[grizzled frost]

ampere computers, they're arm based desktop socketed processors

[stuck spruce]

nvidia cpus?

[grizzled frost]

used to be popular in homelabs some years ago

[alpine heron]

Oh I don't care about that

That's still arm

[grizzled frost]

yeah basically no one does

[alpine heron]

We have x86 arm and riscV basically

[wheat torrent]

Like of course there is a monopoly but there still has to be something else

[grizzled frost]

in this case, there isn't

[timber elk]

is this good or trash

[alpine heron]

Outside of that you're talking FPGA or dedicated

[wheat torrent]

I find it odd that there aren't something that is as good as 10 year old amd/intel

[mint umbra]

He litterly said he brought up that price point and they reacted Negitively

[grizzled frost]

Because it's impossible to compete with the big three

[mint umbra]

So it's not going to be priced like a console

[wheat torrent]

But it should be possible to compete with the big three from 10 years ago?!no

[mint umbra]

It's prob gunna be like 800 dollar

[grizzled frost]

the investment and experience required is so absurdly high that you'd have to be insane to invest in it

[alpine heron]

X86 is old... Go look at when that chip/architecture was released

[mint umbra]

They said it's priced as a PC

I wouldn't expect cheaper than 700-800

[grizzled frost]

even if there was a company that could compete with 10 year old amd/intel, it would be so much more expensive that the demand would be zero

A, you buy an old chip from AMD/Intel for cheap and get pretty good support
B, you buy a new chip from a random third party you've never heard of, that is 10x the price, and has little to no support

[random gyro]

woah, the intel 8086

[wheat torrent]

There is no way like china didn't make their own CPU from scratch even if not that good I'm sure they would of done it, maybe not mass produced?

[stuck spruce]

the only support you can expect on it is it will run linux and thats it

[wheat torrent]

Yeah you got a point

[alpine heron]

That's in the works but isn't really relevant outside if China for now

[grizzled frost]

i don't think you understand just how big the monopoly on silicon production is, there is pretty much one company that actually produces competitive silicon

and that's TSMC

[wheat torrent]

I mean you have one singular country making the processors which is crazy

[grizzled frost]

Apple, NVIDIA, AMD, Intel, Snapdragon, all subcontract to TSMC

[mint umbra]

Need to stop relaying on tsmc

[grizzled frost]

how do you plan on doing that?

[wheat torrent]

So like we are at the level that

[grizzled frost]

there is literally no one else even remotely close to competing with them

[mint umbra]

Start building up other manufacturers

[alpine heron]

Do you have a cool hundred trillion USD to toss at that

[wheat torrent]

Its probably impossible for something other than tsmc in the next 100 years?

[grizzled frost]

then you don't see a return on investment for 10-15 years, if ever

[random gyro]

making a cpu by scratch (part 1 of many)

[stuck spruce]

no one (except for samsung, ew)

[mint umbra]

Depending on one manufacturer is going to cause trouble

[grizzled frost]

you act like there's another option

[mint umbra]

That's why they need to invest to building up others

[alpine heron]

Wait till he learns about foxconn

[grizzled frost]

then you don't see a return on investment for 10-15 years, if ever

[wheat torrent]

Can a company evolve so far to reach the point of there being literally no other viable alternative for decades

[alpine heron]

More like 5p

[wheat torrent]

Its a wild concept idk

[alpine heron]

50* which at that point is investment only a government can take on

[random gyro]

im gonna continue watching cuz this is absurd and funny haha

[grizzled frost]

i don't think you understand just how complex modern lithography is

[wheat torrent]

I do but

[steel umbra]

I don't

[grizzled frost]

If you think there can be competition, you don't

[mint umbra]

It's still problematic

[wheat torrent]

Im just thinking

[steel umbra]

nope

[grizzled frost]

Absolutely, but there's literally no other option

[steel umbra]

Asml has been cooking for decades

and made sure it stays proprietary

[wheat torrent]

Everyone relies on 1 entity and doing anything else is not a option

[mint umbra]

And with how China has been saying they own Taiwan I get China gunna take over the chip market and fk everyone over

[steel umbra]

hard to reverse engineer as well

but nothing is impossible

[grizzled frost]

Correct

[grizzled frost]

You act like that's even an option in the modern climate

[steel umbra]

That has been a thing since taiwan existed

[scarlet tartan]

Taiwan is too important for everyone to be given away to China as a b'day gift

[stuck spruce]

wym by causing trouble, like if there would be something bad like an earthquake in taiwan everything goes in shambles including all the companies like amd, nvidia?

[alpine heron]

That will be ww3

[grizzled frost]

The US basically has a constant military presence in the area specifically to prevent china from doing that

[steel umbra]

It's not impossible for china to acquire it via le war

[mint umbra]

No one wants ww3

[alpine heron]

Not to get political but Taiwan is the single target that would trigger ww3

[mint umbra]

It will never happen

[scarlet tartan]

China will be flattened and or sanctioned.

[mint umbra]

If ww3 happens world is gone

[steel umbra]

Yet you still see the us sinking some ships in venezuela

[timber ocean]

Do I need to worry about anything if I unplug my gpu and restart my pc? Static or sth?

[random gyro]

then dont start another chip manafacturer company rofl

[stuck spruce]

ah yes the us and the chinese propaganda

[wheat torrent]

Y'all know the story of the library of alexandria, if say tsmc gets absolutely obliterated, I wonder how much time it would take for us to recover

[alpine heron]

Modern life relies on Taiwan so heavily that there's no doubt what happens if someone has a hot temper and invsdes

[grizzled frost]

what

[grizzled frost]

static is a non-issue

[steel umbra]

Us now sucks, they behave like the russians they sanctioned

battling venezuela over oil and hiding it behind drug trafficking

[mint umbra]

China will just do what Russia did and mfs won't do a thing

[wheat torrent]

If all facilities just get removed from earth will we be able to recreate it in a decent period of time or is it going to take decades

[grizzled frost]

china attacking taiwan is one of the few times the US would be forced to act

[scarlet tartan]

Deep down I fear the same.

[timber ocean]

Just do be sure. This is the power cable?

[alpine heron]

To Taiwan? Nope. That legitimately is ww3

[grizzled frost]

All lithography facilities? 50+ years to rebuild

[mint umbra]

Nope cuz ppl know ww3 would cause the end of the planet

[alpine heron]

Which is about the case either way.

[wheat torrent]

Wait when you put it this way

[alpine heron]

Losing Taiwan is losing daily life

[grizzled frost]

and the US allowing China to take taiwan would be the US essentially accepting defeat to china, which is never going to happen with the current political climate in the US

[wheat torrent]

Tsmc is the most important thing we have in earth?

Or am I glazing

[grizzled frost]

the one thing the US hates more than anything else, is to lose

[grizzled frost]

Without a doubt

[alpine heron]

At this point in time. Yeah

[wheat torrent]

I never thought about it like that wow

Tsmc is literally everything we have

[mint umbra]

They already are losing wdym

[stuck spruce]

imagine if it doent exist

[grizzled frost]

The world would not be nearly as modernized as it is without TSMC

[wheat torrent]

Its probably common sense but I didnt think about it before

[alpine heron]

Its not common sense

[wheat torrent]

Quite a realization

[grizzled frost]

Guess what happens when the US loses its entire supply of advanced silicon?

[mint umbra]

China has been losing to China for years

Losing to USA*

[grizzled frost]

They either get it back, or destroy it so their adversay can't monopolize it

[alpine heron]

Folks worry about the middle east or Ukraine etc, but the scariest thing is is poking taiwan

[wheat torrent]

Is all facilities literally in Taiwan?

[grizzled frost]

most production facilities

[scarlet tartan]

Most of the innovative fab is indeed in Taiwan

[grizzled frost]

there's numerous research facilities elsewhere, but they can't produce at scale

[mint umbra]

They are making a fab shop in USA

[stuck spruce]

if america is brave then they would make facilities and everything would be cheaper

[ivory mountain]

do we think taiwan has W opsec?

[stuck spruce]

but the thing is

[lament flint]

thanks, ill be doing this. i ordered it today, and got the tiny 2 for only 129 dollars. ended up getting it quicker for 30 usd, so ill be sure to test it out before my case comes over and ill be able to build

[grizzled frost]

it'll be a decade before they produce anything meaningful, and they'll immediately be behind TSMC

[mint umbra]

They are making a fab shop in Arizona pretty sure

[grizzled frost]

literally everything made in the US is more expensive

[wheat torrent]

So if you would want to do the most destruction to humanity in an efficient way you would just nuke TSMC facilities

[ivory mountain]

W pfp send the source thanks

[stuck spruce]

that the costs of making a facility is so high that its not even worth it

[lament flint]

honestly, i just googled a meme based on that i was in an open relationship lol

[grizzled frost]

Global specialization is the single best thing to happen to the world in recent history

[mint umbra]

Could be worse than USA could be Canada, Canada doesn't make any tech advancements

[grizzled frost]

Countries specializing in certain goods and services is what allowed the world to modernize so quickly

[wheat torrent]

Though we would still have the current chips so I guess at first there wouldn't be a big effect for a short period of time

For a few days

[grizzled frost]

i don't think you understand just how fast we consume chips

[lament flint]

no offence, but the US is lucky

[mint umbra]

90% of shit comes from China or Taiwan

[grizzled frost]

if Taiwan stopped producing silicon today, there would be global shortages in a week

[wheat torrent]

Yeah a few days at most

[grizzled frost]

entire industries would be bankrupt in a month

[wheat torrent]

Thing is you would have certain companies just buying everything in 1 day

And the rest will just be gg

[lament flint]

we have a huge tax from wares that are imported. TCL has a 98" thats very good going for 2000 USD on retail.
in Norway the taxes are so huge its actually cheaper to import it from you guys.. because the stores sells it over here for 98k nok (9,8k USD) retail

[mint umbra]

Don't help companies are using so much shit on their ai data center are will implode one day when they realize they don't actually make money from ai

[lament flint]

same tv, same producer, different taxes

taxes if i were to import it from US would be 3,6k usd. so still cheaper than buying in my own country by almost 3x

[wheat torrent]

That makes me think Taiwan must have some crazy defence in place no?

Or is everyone just chill because it's a necessity for the whole world
Except China

[stuck spruce]

have you remembered the bitcoin mining incident that happened to the gpus? thats whats happening and they will throw away the gpus and realize that ai wont make that much money, right?

[lament flint]

educate me, what happened?

[mint umbra]

There will be a crazy crash when AI bubble pops

[stuck spruce]

remember the 2020 days where companies starting to buy a shit ton of gpus and the prices started going crazy

[grizzled frost]

Yes, The US military

[stuck spruce]

they were trying to mine bitcoin

[mint umbra]

Japan said if China attack they will attack China

[stuck spruce]

now ram prices are going crazy too because of ai companies

[mint umbra]

Which is why Japan and Chian are beefing rn

And China is basicly giving middle finger to Japan rn

[wheat torrent]

Okay so we have ASML and TSMC which are interconnected

[lament flint]

honestly, i wasnt aware of that. but that makes sense, and the fluctuation in prices of the bitcoins have sparked the roof ever since it came out.
i remember asking my dad if he could legit use some of my confirmation money to invest in bitcoin very early.. with 10k Nok, i would have had atleast 1,3m today

[wheat torrent]

No ASML no machines for TSMC

[lament flint]

thats about 130k USD

[mint umbra]

I don't trust USA to do anything

[wheat torrent]

So technically ASML would be as important or more important than TSMC?

[lament flint]

is that the reason why?

[hallow jasper]

What they meant is just the mining craze and great GPU shortage of 2020+. Bitcoin specifically quickly became unprofitable on consumer GPU.

[mint umbra]

For now

[stuck spruce]

yeah the demand is insane

[mint umbra]

It's not even that expensive for ram

[lament flint]

ive been thinking: why doesnt the companies over here do bitcoin mining, it would surely be beneficial.. but maybe you just dont hear or see it over here :/

[grizzled frost]

then you can't trust much of anything

[lament flint]

ive been considering getting a rig myself, investing.. but it seems a bit too late for it

[mint umbra]

It's like 200 cad which doesn't seem that exoensive

[grizzled frost]

basically everything relies on the US, or relies on something that relies on the US

[mint umbra]

Why would I trust USA

[grizzled frost]

the US is one of the single most influential countries globally

[hallow jasper]

You're blind, or have a very short memory.

[wheat torrent]

[mint umbra]

When I last bought ram it was only a bit lower

Ppl are blowing out of proportion

[wheat torrent]

US doesn't make chips yet without US those chips wouldn't be made

[lament flint]

define a bit? im having a pair of 64gb cl36 4800mhz over here, and im pretty sure i could get the retail price my friend paid for them as of today

[wheat torrent]

Or they would but there would be different factors at play 🤨

[grizzled frost]

if the US disappeared tomorrow global trade would collapse within minutes, and almost every country would face immense financial hardships

[stuck spruce]

which type of ram are you talking about

[hallow jasper]

I purchased a 2x16GB 6000CL30 kit in October 2022 for $260 US. That same kit sold for $107-$115 for two years after that. Today, its $280 US.

You're wildy confused.

[wheat torrent]

Its quite interesting how the dynamics work at such large scale

When we are talking about such technology

[grizzled frost]

a kit i bought for 329usd about a year ago, sells for 1175usd today

[wheat torrent]

Its all interconnected in complex ways yet it just works

[grizzled frost]

(2x48gb ddr5 6000 cl30)

[lament flint]

i wouldnt say global trade would fail. but alot of it, definitely. countries has deals with one and another, private deals like this isnt unusual.
but i would definitely say that some of these deals also goes through the US first, so there is definitely a glue there

[wheat torrent]

And if something goes wrong everyone gets affected

Yet somehow we are able to make it work more or less

[grizzled frost]

Almost every major industry is reliant on the US in some way, even if indirectly

[hallow jasper]

Just no big deal! /s

[grizzled frost]

Most global trades occur in USD as well

if the US disappeared then USD would be devalued instantly

[lament flint]

i mean, norway is huge in oil. so we are dependent on people wanting our oil for sure. but im not sure if the US is our biggest buyer or not, im not putting accusations here.. but i doubt it a little bit

[wheat torrent]

Idk I like USD

[mint umbra]

When I bought my ram a couple of years ago ddr5 6000 speed Gskill ram it was like 190-200 cad and same ram is like 250 cad

Not a huge difference

[wheat torrent]

Its the currency I use yet my country totally doesn't work in USD

[grizzled frost]

"when i bought a computer 30 years ago it cost 10k, now it costs 5k, what a steal!"

[lament flint]

did you buy on a special deal or something?

[mint umbra]

Mate it was like 2 years ago

Maybe 3

[grizzled frost]

3 years ago would be when DDR5 was still brand new and in extreme demand

[lament flint]

doesnt matter. deals are deals, and ram doesnt go down unless theres new generations. meaning we wont see that much decrease until ddr6

[mint umbra]

I had no such deal

[lament flint]

prices will still fluctuate a bit after, but after the release date of ddr6.. most likely everythings gonna lower first of all

this is why im considering selling my ram right now, buying a cheaper one

[grizzled frost]

this is a price graph of the most popular kit on PcPartPicker

[mint umbra]

I honestly don't even notice difference in higher ram speeds

[grizzled frost]

second most popular

[lament flint]

since my friend gave me his, and his are... very much more than anyone needs... i feel like i could make a bargain on selling the 64gb sticks and buying a pair of 32 or 16

[grizzled frost]

fourth most popular

[stuck spruce]

what the fuck bro