#virtual-reality

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weak bluff
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there is a reason why reactOS did not take off

deft perch
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Sure Linux is objectively better
But app support is still not perfect

deft perch
weak bluff
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app support is not bad its just too many stuff are made for windows

hexed heron
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should i switch to windows 11 is it better or still glitchy

deft perch
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Yeah that's what I mean
Its not that Linux doesn't support apps, apps don't support Linux

weak bluff
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reverse engineering a large closed project never succeed that well in the past

deft perch
weak bluff
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for example

hexed heron
weak bluff
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Nvidia Nouveau is attempt to reverse engineer nvidia proprietary driver on linux

hexed heron
weak bluff
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not so great

deft perch
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Nope

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Not joking

deft perch
weak bluff
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the recent hack is great news

hexed heron
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linux ew linux looks like a app from 2002 which never gotten an update

deft perch
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Yus!!

weak bluff
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nvidia seems refuse to open source

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but

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with leaked files

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community can reverse engineer it without being sued

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and on newest and best code

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it should fix nouveau

deft perch
weak bluff
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linux is futureproof linux does not need fancy changes because everything works across the time

hexed heron
deft perch
weak bluff
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also its not meant to average people that smoke windows

deft perch
hexed heron
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linux is just hard to use

deft perch
hexed heron
deft perch
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Try zorinOS
Delightful operating system, very easy

deft perch
hexed heron
deft perch
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Lmao

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You're joking right

hexed heron
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its just a waste of money if i switch than windows would ask me yoo kid wheres ur license key ? than i had to buy a new copy of windows

deft perch
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Just save the license key to a USB smh

weak bluff
hexed heron
deft perch
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What..

hexed heron
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windows 11 is free

deft perch
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Windows 10 will be end of life in 2 years
And beyond then you'll be fucked by viruses

weak bluff
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ubuntu is made by a corporate different from other community made distro

deft perch
hexed heron
hexed heron
deft perch
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Windows 11 is a """" free"""" upgrade to windows 10

weak bluff
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windows 11 is de facto not free but de jure free

hexed heron
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oh ya so i can switch to windows 11 when ever i want

deft perch
weak bluff
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microsoft just does not want to admit they want people to get windows free

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also they profit selling license to laptop manufacturers

hexed heron
weak bluff
deft perch
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I bet the whole reason of windows 11 is a corprate deal with hardware companies

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Microsoft is why I hate capitalism /j

weak bluff
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also windows 11 will be 64 bit exclusive

hexed heron
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is windows 11 still glitchy

weak bluff
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kinda

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but not too bad

deft perch
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Windows 11 is windows 10 but it has like, two things changed

hexed heron
deft perch
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Oh look guys I made KDE look different
Boom whole new os

hexed heron
deft perch
hexed heron
deft perch
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It looks too much like Mac / gnome for me
I don't like the rounded corners

hexed heron
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comfortable in my eyes

weak bluff
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windows 11 biggest noticable change: the look

deft perch
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Have you tried disabiling the rounded effect
Oh wait you can't.

hexed heron
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np

weak bluff
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Microsoft newest laptop

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have rounded screen corner

deft perch
hexed heron
deft perch
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Surface laptops are Ewaste anyway

weak bluff
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whyyyy microsoft

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hexed heron
deft perch
# hexed heron the instalization part

I could do it In my sleep

You Download thing from Microsoft, you open thing and go through installation process

From the standpoint of how operating systems work it literally could not be easier

hexed heron
honest heron
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linux

deft perch
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Solution
Don't use windows

honest heron
deft perch
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YESSSS

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big brain time

honest heron
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yeah we onto something

deft perch
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Alpha Chad Linux gamer

hexed heron
honest heron
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do you use linux? @deft perch

deft perch
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I dailydrive arch owo

honest heron
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nice

deft perch
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You?

honest heron
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i just have dual boot cause i need windows for school 🥲

deft perch
deft perch
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Fair

honest heron
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.NET development is not ideal on linux

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XD

deft perch
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.NET framework is open apparently

honest heron
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the only thing i miss in linux is like the overall compatibility

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like

deft perch
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But not .NET

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Yeah

honest heron
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most programs are windows only

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ugh

deft perch
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QEMU virtual machine offers device pass through and is really good

honest heron
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hmm

hexed heron
deft perch
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Also with near native performance through KVM (for everything besides windows I think....)

deft perch
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Tis the nature of windows NT

honest heron
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i hate that win11 forces you to use internet connection and setup microsoft account and stuff

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i know there's workarounds but still

deft perch
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You don't have internet?
Gonna cry?
-windows

hexed heron
honest heron
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windows overall is just unstable as hell

hexed heron
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can i use ethernet in windows 11

honest heron
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linux rarely has any problems at all

deft perch
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The only reason for buying windows pro (besides being forced to as a developer) is not having to sign in with Microsoft
They removed that

haughty thistle
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Win11 still has way too many problems for me to even consider installing it

honest heron
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hmm

haughty thistle
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Especially for VR

honest heron
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i don't have pro

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xd

deft perch
honest heron
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Wow lol

deft perch
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As per the EULA

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ITS SHIT

honest heron
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which is like a couple 100 per year

hexed heron
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ahh man what am i gonna do switch to windows 11 fear of losing files staying on windows 10 nah no updates after 2 yrs not safe lets switch to 11 nah its glitched stay on 10 nah the world is moving to windows 11 youtubers are making tutorials on windows 11

haughty thistle
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Main reason I have a pro license is because I got it essentially for free through like MS Imagine or whatever my School had a license for lol

deft perch
haughty thistle
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Yup

hexed heron
hexed heron
honest heron
deft perch
haughty thistle
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Linux may still have a lot of problems for the Average Joe (especially in terms of gaming and especially especially for VR), but I found it to run more stable, has more useful features and I am the one in control of the system. Not M$ and whoever is currently the highest bidding ad company...

honest heron
deft perch
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Servers that run the internet use Linux
Discord uses Linux for their hosting

All android phones (80 percent of all phones) are running guess what
Non gnu Linux

honest heron
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Ever realized it's a linux distro?

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xd

hexed heron
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yt tutorials are based on windows

haughty thistle
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Love how Browser Updates come in through the same utility in which I also get general System Updates. Thanks Linux Mint 👍

deft perch
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PlayStation and Nintendo switch, both Linux (for the most part)

deft perch
hexed heron
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linux is the hardest os of all time

haughty thistle
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It isn't?

honest heron
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zorinOS is basically windows lightweight edition

deft perch
hexed heron
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i strugglled to find the file manager folder

haughty thistle
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Like you can get started with a Linux machine quicker then with Windows (depending on the Distro that is)

deft perch
honest heron
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exactly

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Most people think linux is this:

deft perch
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I am confident in the Linux command line, and I have uses windows my entire life.

But I can't use Mac for shit.

hexed heron
deft perch
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I find Mac hard to use

hexed heron
honest heron
honest heron
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it's not that hard

deft perch
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Macos is simple to the point of being difficult to use as a power user.

honest heron
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and linux can run on ancient computers

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windows shits itself with less than 4gb of ram

deft perch
deft perch
hexed heron
honest heron
honest heron
deft perch
honest heron
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^^^^

haughty thistle
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Mac may be easy on the eyes, but trying to find software that isn't $$$ is difficult. Like everything for the Mac costs money...

hexed heron
honest heron
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you have different distros

hexed heron
honest heron
deft perch
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Here's the great thing about Linux
Don't like something? Change it, find a community for it.
If you're alone then become the first
Customise, create, and so what you want.

The limit is really your skills.

honest heron
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it's just text that's displayed that's hidden in windows my man

deft perch
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Linus is a windows guy that's pretty obvious
But he gave manajro a try and was really fair about it.

hexed heron
deft perch
deft perch
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Come on
I dare you :3

hexed heron
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ok wait

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let me check

haughty thistle
deft perch
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Lel

hexed heron
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i am gonna go through all the programs i use

deft perch
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Ok

hexed heron
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adobe photoshop

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7 zip

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does not supports

deft perch
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7ZIP is stupid and is not needed on Linux

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Linux comes with zipping tools

hexed heron
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adobe photoshop

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bruh CANT RUN A PHOTO EDITOR

deft perch
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Adobe Photoshop yeah
It doesn't run because adobe is a greedy company

deft perch
hexed heron
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adobe is the best company bruh they makes the best editing software

hexed heron
deft perch
hexed heron
deft perch
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They make poorly optimised software, most of which is half baked

hexed heron
deft perch
deft perch
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Adobe sit on their ass collecting money while they make 0 improvements to their software

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So besides programs that you cannot afford and don't use anyway
Anything else that doesn't run?

hexed heron
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then why is everyone else using it so is adobe r u trying to say that adobe is like apple where u get crocheted deep into their ecosystem and does not matter if the product is worth buying or not u will buy it anyways

deft perch
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Yes

honest heron
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there are a LOT of people that don't want to use adobe

deft perch
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Adobe is like apple
Except apple makes improvements
They innovate
They create

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Very few people can and willing do pay for adobe

Why bother when there are better alternatives for free

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Davinci resolve
Krita
Inkscape
To name a few

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All free, with the same features and less CPU overhead

hexed heron
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its crazy like how their eco system is that good

deft perch
deft perch
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M1 hardware is amazing

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Granted it can't run a third of the amount of programs that Linux can

hexed heron
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intel core i9 still better and cheap amd cpus r my fav

honest heron
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@hexed heron ever wondered why apple products need much less RAM than others?

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their optimization is on point

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and integration

deft perch
hexed heron
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not only apple no one actually needs 2 sticks of 64 gb ram stick

deft perch
hexed heron
honest heron
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4gb is more than enough for them

hexed heron
# honest heron just look at their phones

my phone have 6 gb ram its cheap made by xiami can run high end games like pubg codm gets 30 fps no lag i really dont get it like how a cheap xiami phone can be that good the camera is also great

deft perch
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I don't really wanna talk about apple rn
They're arguably worse than Microsoft in some regards, my only interaction with apple devices is how they don't work with anything

hexed heron
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starbucks is like apple once u get addicted u cant do anything about it

deft perch
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What

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Solution
Stop using apple
Bonk

hexed heron
hexed heron
deft perch
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I don't understand your stance
If people are too apathetic to change ecosystem then that's a major problem

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I don't want advertisements in my PC

hexed heron
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i like apple they are sweet

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healthy

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and

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costs 500 dollars

deft perch
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Nor do I want to be spied on so some prick can insecurely sell my information online so he can go and spend that money lobbying against right to repair

hexed heron
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i have trust issues so bad my covered my webcam with tape

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membrane keyboards trash

deft perch
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I don't need tape on my webcam uwu
I know what's running and its all safe
I like the peace of mind

hexed heron
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nothing is safe big tech companies are always watching

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ever heard of that stupid brave browser?

deft perch
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Well guess what
Linux isnt made by big tech

deft perch
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Yes

hexed heron
deft perch
deft perch
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Meta is Facebook btw

hexed heron
hexed heron
deft perch
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I'm learning cybsercurity at university I'd know

deft perch
hexed heron
honest heron
deft perch
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Its called windows

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Windows is the spyware made my Microsoft to make money off selling your information

hexed heron
honest heron
deft perch
honest heron
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you can see the code

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everything it does

deft perch
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^

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If there was something wrong with it, everyone could see it

honest heron
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And trust me there's plenty of people looking at the code all the time

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to make improvements etc

deft perch
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Windows NT is closed source and so it gets viruses all the time.

Actually windows in terms of security is equivalent to an anti vaxxer

honest heron
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hell if you want you can customize and rewrite half the code if you want

hexed heron
# honest heron it's **literally** open source

thats a another mystery microsoft could own every open source app and they will use it to spy on u even if its pen source like they will hide things that microsoft dont want you to know about

honest heron
deft perch
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That's what checksums are for

honest heron
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^^

deft perch
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Bruh

hexed heron
deft perch
honest heron
hexed heron
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i should stop i am gonna get banned for misleading or spreading fake rumors informations

honest heron
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XD

deft perch
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That's why GNU Linux is open
Free as in freedom, anyone can see the code and it has 1000s of eyes on it

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Infact Microsoft needs Linux

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Microsoft's cloud based azure program does not run windows, it runs Linux
And so Microsoft spends millions In hardening the security of it.

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What are you even saying

honest heron
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he's just trolling at this point

hexed heron
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ok microsoft is sending a hitman to murder me cause i leaked all their secrets

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i am gonna stop now

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bye

deft perch
honest heron
fleet halo
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LMAO

deft perch
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Were you lurking the whole time???

fleet halo
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Yes

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It was hilarious

deft perch
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Wow I am sorry.
That was a waste of time

hexed heron
honest heron
hexed heron
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imma get grammarly

honest heron
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damn bro

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sick

deft perch
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You're so done with this I can tell

honest heron
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XD

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i enjoyed it

deft perch
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This video is sponsored by grammarly

hexed heron
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anyways time to try hard on mc bedwars

honest heron
deft perch
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And the deep state government that is Microsoft that defies the laws of mathematics somehow

hexed heron
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good night see ya

digital monolith
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i understand his mistrust of big tech (and it is founded) but the arguments he makes are just too funny

glad sand
nimble dagger
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I just over boot camp it

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Remove all of the apple software apart from the drivers

glad sand
weary cobalt
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I do amateur pc builds. Not super familiar with all the nuances of different vr headsets. I have buyer potentially interested in one of my systems, and I'm trying to research the best value gpu (under $500 CAD) to add to the system, as it only has integrated graphics currently. ( I source cards per build since they are pretty expensive otherwise).

TLDR - what are good graphics card options for entry-level pc vr using the Quest 2 / I'm looking at 1660ti/1660s currently

fickle whale
weary cobalt
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also probably still out of this guys price range.

fickle whale
weary cobalt
rapid otter
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They could be a good option

weary cobalt
rapid otter
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The 3050, 1660, and 2060 are in the lower end of VR performance

rapid otter
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From @ Menaced#7916

"Minimum recommended GTX 1060 6GB
Minimum recommended VRAM >=6GB
Not recommended that's in range (some will run ok but not smooth): 6500 XT (some case won't run), RX 5500 XT 4GB, any GTX 1650, GTX 1050Ti, GTX 1060 3GB, any 4GB RX cards, any GTX 9XX cards in graph, any Radeon R9 in graph (No new driver beware)
Don't even try (unless you enjoy 360 videos or powerpoint slide): Apple GPU, integrated GPU (except Kaby Lake G, RX 680M), below RX 560, below GTX 1050, anything else not in graph "

rapid otter
weary cobalt
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Yeah thanks sorry it wasn't labeled so I was trying to figure out the title

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Ok yeah, so essentially he can run it native on his quest 2 - or use airlink or link cable to run most games at med-high at 72fps with some of the lower end cards.

rapid otter
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Basically

weary cobalt
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If he wants performance more in the 80-90hz will probably need something better than a 3050 or 6600 / 2060 super

rapid otter
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It depends of games, i have a 2060 i can run all games at medium at 72 hz

rapid otter
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What's the CPU too ?

weary cobalt
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Whats the recommended scaling / resolution - for pcvr to get usable frame-rates / frame-times

for I guess 72-80hz?

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Either a 5600x or a 9900k so that shouldn't be a problem

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both have 32gb of ram

rapid otter
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On a R7 3700x and a 2060

weary cobalt
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Ok, got it - I will say it seems like the encoding isn't optimized well for pc vr from what I'm reading idk. Even high-tier cards struggle to keep up. I guess its just the scaling required for the lenses

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Idk if this is a quest 2 issue or just a general vr gaming issue

rapid otter
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Encoding, like in enconding the video to send it to the headset ?

weary cobalt
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That's just what I'm hearing like it just seems like you don't get massive or incredible performance boosts even closer to the top end of the card spectrum

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I'm sure 3090 does alright though

rapid otter
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Well it's similar to flat screen gaming

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The better the GPU the better the graphics and frame time

weary cobalt
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Fair

rapid otter
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A 3080 can run most headset at their native res with game at high

weary cobalt
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Can it reach 120hz well?

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out of curiosity

rapid otter
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A 3080 ?

haughty thistle
rapid otter
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And also of the game

haughty thistle
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And mind you, the Quest 2 is limited in render res as-is, so yeah...

weary cobalt
rapid otter
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It's not ideal but it's a great option still

haughty thistle
# weary cobalt Yeah gamers nexus chat said its not an ideal headset for PC VR - good standalone...

They were absolutely right. The Quest is the only consumer Standalone HMD, but only a "decent" PCVR HMD. It can get PCVR done, but native options will always be better, but are also more expensive out of the box. Granted, to get a Quest competitive with current PCVR HMDs, you do have to invest quite a bit of money: Dedicated AP or good Cable, proper headstrap, proper audio solution. By that point you're already close to the Reverb G2, which is a much better option for PCVR imo

weary cobalt
rapid otter
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It's imo a good headset but it wasn't fully designed for PCVR, so the software is kinda hanky at times... But overall i like it, for 300$ it's a good deal, also it's the only headset i can use without base stations or wires

weary cobalt
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I'm sure its great! Just sharing what I've seen in my reading and video watching to research this for my "potential client"

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Thanks for your help @fickle whale @rapid otter @haughty thistle

rapid otter
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Always a pleasure to help

haughty thistle
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Yeah no problem ^^

grim gulch
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no matter how much you take care if it
my wrist straps are broken, face plate cracked, and now the headstrap is broken. currently waiting on a replacement to ship from oculus

harsh niche
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you must not treat it very nicely… all of those things all at the same time don’t seem like a coincidence 👀

rapid otter
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Breaking a headstrap (only heard it on elite straps) is something but how can you break a strap ?

rapid otter
gloomy crater
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Okay so I've played the new OST V tracks for beat saber and these are my thoughts

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I decided I would sacrifice my arms to the new camellia track but only made it a quarter of the way through

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I Wanna Be A Machine is def my favorite of the new tracks, it literally has most of the better aspects of I Can't Fix You but with a different theme.

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The addition of slider notes has only compounded my hatred of stacked and split notes. If we could just move away from those and only have sliders for the rest of time and I never have to absolutely wreck the shit outta my arms because charters are obsessed with split and stacked notes, I would be infinitely grateful

tawdry dove
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I've gotten in hundreds of hours in beatsaber alone

cosmic monolith
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I have hundreds of hours just straight up punching walls and falling over, not a single crack

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Not even stick drift

harsh niche
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😂

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My brother has accidentally punched a lamp and smashed one of the halogen bulbs inside and the walls a ton of times

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and he throws it off of his head when he loses in thrill of the fight lol

hushed pond
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meanwhile my index controller die if i look at it wrong

rapid otter
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😂

gentle coral
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I have seen people run straight into a wall headset first, bounce off and the headset didn't even have a scratch (though it was a vive, so that might be part of the reason it survived). Had they not run into where a concrete pillar was they would have run out a window (on each side of the pillar). And they definitely ran fast enough to break drywall if it was a normal wall considering the dent in the wood facing of the pillar.

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I wish more headsets were built like tanks. Most of them feel way to fragile, especially some of the controllers.

haughty thistle
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Especially seeing how some companies seem to prioritise the looks of their HMDs over structural integrity. I mean... take a look at any of Varjo's HMDs. They may look nice out of the box, but I can guarantee you, one slip up with your controller, and the front has a big ugly scratch in it :/

left bluff
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This is kind of a common issue I think, but my Rift CV1 sometimes cuts out the audio randomly (most of the times when I change game or change scene in the same game) and I need to detach and re-attach the Rift's USB cable to make it work again, wich is kinda boring when in VR. I tried for a day or two using R7 5700g's iGPU instead of my GPU for the VR and there was not this audio issue. However with my GTX 1080 ti there is and I also tried with a Rtx 3060 and there still is the issue.
Does somebody know how to fix this? Maybe it's some audio drivers problem or idk but I also tried reinstalling the drivers idk

haughty thistle
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Sounds like Nvidias HDMI Power saving crap struck again, eh?

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Gimme a sec, I'll quickly find the link for the fix

left bluff
haughty thistle
# left bluff This is kind of a common issue I think, but my Rift CV1 sometimes cuts out the a...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/c72pg0/discussion_and_troubleshooting_for_index_hardware/esmjkz4/
This is unfortunatly something that resets with every Nvidia Driver update. It's even worse on the Index, where it doesn't always pick up the Audio device at all, so consider yourself lucky that it works in the first place xD

reddit
r/ValveIndex - Comment by u/nmezib on ”Discussion and troubleshooti...

283 votes and 997 comments so far on Reddit

left bluff
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Thanks when I get home I'll try but I think that's it

vital root
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htc vive 2

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my dads ordered quite a lot for his work

haughty thistle
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You mean Vive Pro 2?

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I mean... it's not a bad headset, just has bad Software. Like, the VP2 has higher res screens then the Reverb G2, yet looks about as detailed and soft as the Reverb G2 at 60% render resolution...

eternal storm
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Your friend ever punch the wall in playing Gorn VR?

south arch
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anybody have opinions on the new arpara vr tethered headset? it seems like a very intriguing headset compared to my quest 2.

flint ridge
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Thrill sums it up pretty well

left bluff
haughty thistle
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Hmm... It was an idea at least...

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Wait... Are you running Win11?

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@left bluff

left bluff
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Yeah

haughty thistle
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The only other idea I have is that it might be Windows 11. I don't know if your particular issue is caused by Win11, but I do know that Win11 still causes tons of issues in relation to VR...

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(which is why Win11 still isn't supported by most VR platforms, including Metabook and Valve)

haughty thistle
# south arch anybody have opinions on the new arpara vr tethered headset? it seems like a ver...

There's also this Video to keep in mind with the Arpara:
https://youtu.be/nzVklPa3Yu4
https://youtu.be/9rwosrub3qQ

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MRTV - MIXED REALITY TV
Should You Keep Your Arpara Kickstarter Pledge? Only 5 Days To Go!

The Arpara 5k Kickstarter campaign will end in 5 days. Unfortunately, nobody has yet tested the Arpara AIO. So should you keep your pledge? In this video I will let you know about what things you should have in. mind when making this decision.

Timestamps

00:00 Intro
01:30 Arpara Tethered
07:43 Arpara AIO

🔴 You want MORE MRTV content? Exclusi...

▶ Play video
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MRTV - MIXED REALITY TV
Is THIS Micro Oled VR Headset BETTER Than Varjo Aero & Reverb G2? -...

In this video I will review the Arpara 5k + SteamVR Tracker that is currently on Kickstarter! Is this a viable alternative to current high-end Headsets?

Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:10 Important Disclaimer
02:53 What Is This?
06:28 Specs
13:00 Build-Quality & Comfort
19:24 Visuals
20:24 Through-The-Lens: Alyx
23:04 MSFS
25:50 Elite Dangerous
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Tl;dr:
It looks good in dark scenes, but it's apparently not that bright. According to him and other pre-release testers it's like wearing sunglasses all the time

weak bluff
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im surprised oculus is slow with windows 11 support

teal wren
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do you guys think its a good time to buy a valve index rn?

haughty thistle
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The Index is for the time being the best all-in-one-box VR System a consumer can get. Yes, there are better HMDs out there, but they are either more expensive (Varjo Aero), or require some fiddling (HP Reverb G2 with Index Controllers)

sacred sierra
rapid otter
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Nice

solemn birch
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QUESTION. I recently got a new graphics card and I want good VR games to play. I can’t decide between Boneworks or Lone Echo. What do you guys recommend?

formal willow
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Boneworks and half life alyx of course

restive zodiac
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Is quest worth it even if I only plug it to my pc

weak bluff
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yes

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a burner facebook account too

rapid otter
magic trench
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I'm having problems with pc vr, I have had my quest 2 for 2 weeks now and I have been playing pc vr with oculus link perfectly, and the past few days it stopped working, whenever I launch a game in vr it lags so much and its unplayable, I need help fast.

solemn birch
magic trench
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the pc is low spec aswel lol

solemn birch
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It’s the meta servers trust me. Nobody knows why because there not working you can’t play offline games. There are a lot of issues so don’t worry they will fix it soon enough

magic trench
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so it affects third party apps like roblox, half life alyx and rec room on pc?

solemn birch
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Yes just your headset in general

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Your headset isn’t damaged it just can’t connect to the servers reliably because they are having issues

magic trench
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alright thanks

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any idea when the servers will be back up?

gentle coral
# solemn birch It’s the meta servers trust me. Nobody knows why because there not working you c...

this is why always online devices and software platforms are a nightmare, offline games really should not need the headset to connect to servers to run properly, but Meta (and many tech companies) make devices, and software that have a lot of core functionality tied to online access (either to lower the amount of overall processing done on the device, or to make it easier to collect data from users), Meta is mostly the latter. For software examples, I would point to autodesk fusion360, and many browser based software that don't actually need online functionality most of the time.

glad sand
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TLDR: don’t purchase Facebook products 😂 …to the guy who is only doing PCVR just get a native SteamVR headset and I think you’ll be happier

haughty thistle
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And then there's Varjo. Their VR-3 and XR-3 have a license check where the software needs to connect to a Server at least once every 48 hours, to ensure the license hasn't been moved to a different System. Rather then fully removing that license check with the Aero, they instead opted for a "perpetual free" license. Aka. the Software still needs to connect to a Server at least once every 48 hours for no apparent reason. And just like with the VR-3 and XR-3 they offer an unlock that removes the license check... for 600$...

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Mine doesn't have the unlock yet, but it'll defo be something I'd look into in the future, as Varjo moves onto other HMDs. Don't want my Aero to become a paperweight, once Varjo goes under, if you know what I mean...

rapid otter
rapid otter
haughty thistle
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600$ is the cost of the Unlock on the Aero. On the other two, it's a little over a 3-year subscription plan (the only one I know of the top of my head is for the VR-3 being roughly 2500$)

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Mind you, the unlock is a hardware embed inside the HMD, meaning the HMD needs to be sent back to Varjo for the Unlock. But the Varjo Base software will detect said unlock and won't even ask for a login afaik

rapid otter
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They are literally stealing you for 600$, yours is free anyway

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🤦🏻‍♂️

haughty thistle
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Yup. And it can't be data mining reasons, as all of the data Varjo Base sends back to Varjo can be reviewed by the User, prior to sending it, and it's always a manual process. The only reason I can think of, is that maybe they didn't want to anger their VR-3 customers?

rapid otter
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Maybe they want money ?

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The Lambo won't pay itself magically

haughty thistle
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There's no word of the Unlock anywhere on their Website, nor in the software. It's a word of mouth thing essentially. Not even the Resell Partners are mentioning this on their Website. The only way to get an Unlocked Varjo HMD is by contacting either Varjo Sales, or one of their Retail partners through a support ticket...

rapid otter
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That's weird

pallid hatch
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I feel like getting a steamdeck for vr use
Mostly vr chat that is how would it run?

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Ive looked as far as i can but only saw non vr gameplay

green crypt
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Quest 2 works if you put windows on it but the native Linux hmd's don't really work index doesn't. A prototype Vive does but idk about the release Vive working

deft perch
sacred sierra
haughty thistle
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Index, OG Vive and the Vive Pro 1 all work natively in Linux, but the experience isn't that great...

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Combining that with the limited power of the Deck, and I'd say, it's just not worth it, to get the Deck just for VR use. It's just not meant for that...

green crypt
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Yeah but steam deck outputs for the hmd is a mess as the index doesn't work with the steam deck atm but someone got a prototype Vive working

haughty thistle
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I saw someone with an early review sample upload a Video of him running an Index on his Deck. Since the SteamVR icons were green and not the blurple color, I'd guess it was running in Linux. 'Cause SteamVR on Linux was never updated to have the blurple icons

green crypt
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What I know on an index the screens don't power on but tracking does on the steam deck but have to see more

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Tho for sure it does something a headset in the steam deck as it looked like the vr display was working there

glad sand
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Though I think the problem is just how the port is wired on the laptop, every other device I own works flawlessly with the Index and I am currently RMAing said laptop

fleet halo
brisk locust
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ok need a bit of advice, i need to upgrade my setup to run vr and am planning to buy a quest 2, also need a new graphics card. what would i be best going with either the 1070 or the 1660?

formal willow
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1070 better

brisk locust
rapid otter
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A ton of ppl still use them

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They won't drop support soon

formal willow
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its not that old

weak bluff
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1660 my vote

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despite 1070 could be better

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i want something more reliable and better in encoding

harsh niche
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…

rapid otter
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GTX 1070's nvenc chip is really good

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Can record 4k and like 100mb/s bit rate

haughty thistle
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16-Series cards have the same NVENC chip in them as the 10-Series cards. If you want the better NVENC chip of the 20-Series, you'd need to go with at least a 2060

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This sort of split down the middle in terms of NVENC continues on with the 30-Series afaik, where only the 3080 and 3090 have the ability to record at 8k60, wheras the rest inherits the chip from the 20-Series. I'm not sure about the 3070 though...

rapid otter
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10/16 nvenc is more than enough imo

haughty thistle
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At the same bitrate the NVENC encoder of the 20-Series produces as significantly better quality video. Video compression isn't all about bitrate and codec unfortunatly...

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Just watch this video: https://youtu.be/lQucivv6LIs?t=1060
It's about an old camera that used the old MPEG Video Standard to record digital video, but it still applies to this day with modern codecs like h.264, HEVC and AV1...

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Cathode Ray Dude
Tapeless Video In '97: the MP-EG1

Here's a piece of video history that is not well remembered for very good reasons. It's astounding how much effort Hitachi put into this for what they got out of it - but I speculate in this video as to why that was.

If anyone has an M2, get in touch! Would love to compare it.

(This video has audio issues due to air conditioning noise I couldn...

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(timestamp to where he talks about the codec stuff included)

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And trust me, at 6MBit/s that you are tied to with Twitch, a better or worse video encoder can really show it's ugly side. Ask me how I know 🙂

weak bluff
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in fact, 1660 and RTX 20 series both used Turing

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RTX turing is faster than non-RTX Turing because it combines with Tensor and RT cores which is not pure raw performance

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but if your program cannot take advantage of Turing and RT your benefit is basically the same as GTX 1660

haughty thistle
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Well... Yes and no. Nvidia has stubbornly put the same "performance" Nvenc chip in the 16-Series cards. Look it up. Just because it's Turing, doesn't mean it has the same capablites as all the other Turin cards

weak bluff
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yeah performance wise obviously its not the same

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just feature and efficiency wise

tawdry dove
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Maybe even 4

brisk locust
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Ye but budget and I kinda want a fair bit of use out of the card

weak bluff
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your card will work ok

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Radeon R9 290 was officially supported before now no new drivers anymore

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still ok

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but any new issue wont be fixed

west fiber
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do you guys know what this is???

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haughty thistle
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Looks like it could've been a test bed for Qualcomm to test out their XR-line of processors before going into the hands of customers, or maybe to demo it to potential customers (the customer in this case being companies like HTC or Metabook interested in building their own product around it)

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The big "Qualcomm Snapdragon" logo on the front very much suggests this was used/designed by Qualcomm for advertisement purposes and the stickers on the bottom of the unit indicate that it may have been a prototype/low volume type of product...

tawdry dove
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Xr devkit

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Likely

final dome
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trackball mouse, ez

sullen linden
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Can the quest 2 be used with steam

steel oar
sullen linden
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I do.

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And that too

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I sure hope my 2000 dollar setup is enough lol

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6700XT(12GB)
i5-12400f
16 gigs of ram

steel oar
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nice

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i have a 1660 and i can run most games fine

sullen linden
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So it's good enough

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Mo

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Mk

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I plan on boneworks

steel oar
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mk?

sullen linden
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It means okay

steel oar
steel oar
sullen linden
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I have Pavlov on my quest

steel oar
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do you get the custom maps on quest?

sullen linden
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Idk

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Haven't played VR lately

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Sprained ankle that's still recovering

steel oar
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oh thats rough

sullen linden
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Yee

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Most I can do is play games sitting down.

steel oar
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no 360 no scopes in pavlov for 3 weeks, doctors orders

sullen linden
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Lol

steel oar
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oh no mans sky is on gamepass for pc and has vr support, you can play it sitting down

sullen linden
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Neat

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Need to attach my battery pack to my quest still

steel oar
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i need to 3d print a battery mount when i get home

sullen linden
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Mount?

steel oar
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yeah like it attaches to the back of the headstrap

sullen linden
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LANMU Battery Pack Power Bank Compatible with Oculus/Meta Quest 2 and Quest, Elite Strap,3350mAh Lightweight Extended Battery Accessories for Extra 1.5 Hours Playtime https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CYX16KX/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_QD0TQWS6GA66RPWERV59?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

LANMU Battery Pack Power Bank Compatible with Oculus/Meta Quest 2 a...

LANMU Battery Pack Power Bank Compatible with Oculus/Meta Quest 2 and Quest, Elite Strap,3350mAh Lightweight Extended Battery Accessories for Extra 1.5 Hours Playtime

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I got that one

steel oar
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oh thats nice

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i only have a quest one so i dont think theres anything like that

sullen linden
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And an RGB skeleton hand chucking people off.

steel oar
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wait what

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that sounds awesome

sullen linden
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Middle Finger 3D LED Optical Illusion Table Lamp Sleep Light 3D LED Acrylic Night Light Remote Control 16 Colors Dimmable Bedroom Decoration Easter Xmas Birthday Gift for Kids Boy & Girl Gifts https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095253KLK/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_J7Q9Z4YJ6V3B07GBHSFY?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Middle Finger 3D LED Optical Illusion Table Lamp Sleep Light 3D LED...

Middle Finger 3D LED Optical Illusion Table Lamp Sleep Light 3D LED Acrylic Night Light Remote Control 16 Colors Dimmable Bedroom Decoration Easter Xmas Birthday Gift for Kids Boy & Girl Gifts

steel oar
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thats awesome

sullen linden
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Yee

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My cable thing is 16 feet

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Should be plenty of wire

steel oar
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yeah plenty of room to 360 no scope

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(in 3 weeks)

sullen linden
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Lol

sullen linden
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Is it possible to play VR Minecraft with my quest hooked up to my PC? It's being stubborn loaded onto side quest

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As in constantly crashes

weak bluff
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it is

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there are 2 editions you can play

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the bedrock version and the java modded version

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the bedrock version require you own minecraft bedrock on windows store and download minecraft on Oculus store

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the java one works via steamvr (?)

steel oar
weak bluff
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yeah that

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but probably use some kind of openVR API

steel oar
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last time i did vivecraft my friends built a massive fast water tunnel thing and i went down it in mach 3

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then i almost threw up sadge

rapid otter
west fiber
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pallet auction

sullen linden
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Guys I got windows 10 working on my quest

wheat brook
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cool

rapid otter
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Wdym ???

leaden ruin
steel oar
sacred sierra
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updated and now it's only showing this

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sacred sierra
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fixed itself after 5 pc restarts so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

glad sand
sacred sierra
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internet says tracking issue

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screen inside was just showing grey

hushed pond
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i have to do that 80% of the time when i turn on my index

gloomy crater
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weird. that only really happens to me when my power goes out and my base stations turn on when it comes back, then the software gets confused

gentle coral
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Anyone here going to GDC 2022, there will be a few interesting VR talks, and a few cool XR parties.

sullen linden
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anyone use mocap for all?

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im currently having issues

plain forge
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I havent owned a VR headset in some years. Used to have the Oculus Rift CV1. I see Quest 2 being top "what to buy" on most sites, but how is the display quality and experience compared to the CV1. And for around 3-400 usd, is there any other option? How does Quest 2 REALLY compare to Vive Pro 2, HP Reverb G2 and Valve Index? It's gonna be primarly PC VR

formal willow
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Quest 2 is the cheapest and it has a high res but for pc the more expensive models might be better but using base station is a big minus

plain forge
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is the tracking and all better without cameras?

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i thought cameras would be a plus for optimal gaming if stationary in a square

formal willow
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I believe they have their pros and cons but cameras are just more convenient

tardy tendon
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is it worth it to upgrade from an original vive to a cosmos elite?

weak bluff
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value wise no better option

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you can try for used/refurbished Quest 2

haughty thistle
# tardy tendon is it worth it to upgrade from an original vive to a cosmos elite?

The Vive Cosmos and Cosmos Elite both have this nasty hinge thingy. Reason I'm saying they're nasty is, this hinge at the top never really holds the headset in place properly, causing the actual HMD to sit at an angle on your face. The result of that is that you'll have somewhat of a sharpness gradient with the bottom of the lens being the blurriest. You could to a DIY solution, glueing down the hinge in it's lowest position, but then getting in and out of the headset is a chore

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Otherwise, the Cosmos trades the much better OLED panels of the Vive Pro 1 with slightly better built-in headphones (they still aren't great, but at least better then what was included with the Pro 1). Generally tho, I'd say the Vive Pro 1 is a better buy compared to the Cosmos...

gloomy crater
# plain forge I havent owned a VR headset in some years. Used to have the Oculus Rift CV1. I s...

I'd say the Quest 2 is definitely an upgrade over the CV1 for most people, at least in terms of visuals. For the price the quest goes for, there isn't really any competition in terms of being able to buy brand new headsets. The OG vive does pretty well on the secondhand market for decent prices but even that has some limitations. The Quest 2 is good... for a standalone device. If you're gonna be primarily using it with a PC, then there's no real reason in going for a quest 2 when the HP Reverb G2 exists, even with the couple hundred dollar price difference. The quest 2 is more of a gateway to good quality PC VR, but in order to get the high end PC VR experience out of a quest 2, it would take so much money and effort that you'd be better off buying a dedicated PC VR headset.

plain forge
weak bluff
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the CV1 FOV is 110°

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Quest 2 is 89° (+-4° depends on IPD settings)

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in comparison Index is 130°

plain forge
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Ah.. hmm quite much lower

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How's tracking? Never used standalone headsets. Only CV1.

gloomy crater
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the quest 2 can run at 90hz now as well iirc

gloomy crater
# plain forge How's tracking? Never used standalone headsets. Only CV1.

If I were to describe it, there's definitely a level of squish in the tracking that just isn't there in outside tracked systems. For people who have only ever used inside out tracked VR, then the quest 2 seems to be up there with the Reverb G2 in terms of quality. But even the best inside out tracking will personally never compare to something like the index controllers and a pair of base stations. With that being said, I've never had an experience with inside out tracking that made me go 'I can't play with this'. So while imo it's definitely not as good of an experience, it's still very usable.

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Also something to take into account with the quest 2 is the software implementation. Let's just say that the quest 2 doesn't jell well with lower end systems, to an even greater degree than one would expect running VR... and imo it's a pain to spend fifteen minutes getting everything on the PC and in the headset set up before you can connect the two and actually start playing, compared to a dedicated setup that just requires you to launch the steamvr program and you're in

harsh niche
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most built in apps on the headset itself still run at 90 but pc runs at 120

haughty thistle
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Doesn't running the Quest at 120Hz significantly degrade image quality ('cause same bitrate, so you'd be trading image quality against framerate)

rapid otter
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I found no real difference between 100 mb/s compared to 200mb/s

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So if your re used to run at 200mb/s at 80hz 100mb/s at 120hz should be fine

harsh niche
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it looks the same to me

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I have my bitrate set at 350

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it lowers the resolution tho but you can crank it back up if you want

gentle coral
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Oh man i did not exspect gdc this year to not have a svvr event, there are many less parties in general as well. So everyone is trying to get into very few parties. Even my party already had over 150 rsvp's and it has only been up 3 days.

So far only one vr talk at my event.

Game devs love to party something fierce.

rapid otter
harsh niche
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Nah normal link

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@rapid otter

rapid otter
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Ok ok, how high does it go on link ?

harsh niche
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I think 500 @rapid otter

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while I was in there I also turned off ASW and the weird 45fps lock thing because it kept turning on when I drop like a single frame, making things much worse lol

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the controllers feel so much better and less jello-y now

leaden ruin
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man is half life alyx good on ultra maxed settings

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i thought it wouldn't make a difference really but its the subtle details and sharpness is so good

harsh niche
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How’s the performance?

leaden ruin
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constant 80 fps

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but i mean

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i have a 3070 ti, would be a bit weird if it didn't run it perfectly

glad sand
leaden ruin
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rift s

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bit lower res then the new ones i know

glad sand
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That makes sense though, it's only a 80Hz display so yeah might as well max it out

leaden ruin
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don't feel the need to upgrade to a quest 2

glad sand
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Crank that supersampling 😎

glad sand
leaden ruin
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and having those poles with trackers in my room is also a bit of a problem

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i have alot of things that would obstruct them

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otherwise i would perhaps buy a index

glad sand
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Yeah the only real upgrade for your use case would be a Reverb G2 but even then I'd wait a bit and get the next gen or yeah Index is bae but trackers ofc

leaden ruin
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wait reverb g2 is inside out tracking? man i need to do my research

glad sand
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Which imho is totally worth it I haven't had any tracking issues in any situation which has been incredible and worth it alone compared to my old Vive

glad sand
leaden ruin
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the resolution is a bit higher i see

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or quite a bit actually

glad sand
leaden ruin
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i see them here for 650 euro

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or sold out hehe_boy

glad sand
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Yeah depends where you look ig, I almost exclusively buy tech off Reddit at this point XD

leaden ruin
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apparently here they aren't that wanted so the supply and demand keeps price high i guess

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why 2 different prices

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but it says with cheaper that controllers are included

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it says here the expensive one has "ergonomic controllers"

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i may buy one in the future

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but for now vr is still very nice for me

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i can still immerse myself fully

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you know once i make the switch i'll probably be like "wow why did i still use the rift s its so blurry"

sullen linden
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GPU performance graphs for the RX 6500 XT in Boneworks, Half res graphics, x8 anisotropic filtering, 80Hz physics

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Temps haven't passed 50 C and usage peaked at 75%

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CPU is a diffrent story but its an i3 and I was recording and playing VR

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No noticeable stuttering or aliasing, Steady video is pretty well maintained with it even in intense moments with lots of particles, I thought the 4 gb VRAM of it would be a bottle neck, but it seems fine

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All in all I would say its a pretty budget VR card ONLY IF! you have a PCVR headset, But it is cheaper then most VR gaming cards, and its pretty much locked at MSRP because no one wants them

leaden ruin
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I remember when i had my rx 570

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it ran boneworks

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al be it on pretty low settings

sullen linden
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As expected I had to have it pretty low for my GTX 1650 but I can turn it much higher on my 6500

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I mainly posting this because I have a really big suspicion something's wrong with benchmarking the 6500 XT As it clearly preforms so much better than what the scores show

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Idk if its just my system configuration or I just got lucky and hit the silicone lottery, but this thing seems to preform Better than what scores show, and I proved it in a video i did

harsh niche
sullen linden
glad sand
# harsh niche how do you buy tech off of reddit?

Depending on what it is, r/HardwareSwap, r/AVExchange, r/AppleSwap, r/PhotoMarket, r/HomeLabSales, heck even r/MicrosoftSoftwareSwap...feel free to read the rules on HardwareSwap (the biggest of all of those) to get an idea of how it works, but TLDR you use PayPal Goods and Services to purchase and sell items that you verify with timestamps and over time you build up trade rep and relationships as you would in any market :)

harsh niche
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oh that's cool

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does that paypal thing also protect you from being scammed either direction?

glad sand
harsh niche
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Awesome! thanks for telling me, i'll keep it in mind next time i want to buy something

glad sand
haughty thistle
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Friendly reminder that Half Life Alyx always has constant framerates, as it scales down the render res to achieve it's target framerate. Meaning, if your GPU can't keep up, you get a blurrier image. HLA also ignores Render resolution settings in the SteamVR dashboard, so no way around that

leaden ruin
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mmhhh interesting

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never heard of that

sullen linden
haughty thistle
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You'd be able to see the performacne differences in Boneworks much better, as it doesn't scale the resolution. If the GPU can't keep up, it would drop frames in most games, including Boneworks, but HLA drops the resolution instead. Might not be as intuitive/visual as Boneworks...

flat pawn
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Easier to count frames than pixels

harsh niche
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Lol

fluid cape
# leaden ruin you know once i make the switch i'll probably be like "wow why did i still use t...

I really like my Rift S...pissed off at Occulus for discontinuing it so soon and dropping PCVR entirely but they're still p much the only headset manufacturer with exclusives besides PSVR to my knowledge so if I want access to basically all VR games I need a Quest which maybe I'll get one down the road but I dont need another headset rn
The other problem with Quest is to use it with desktop you need USB C right? Not super common on boards/cases even still

leaden ruin
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Well if i upgrade it will probably be a reverb g2

haughty thistle
harsh niche
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@haughty thistle does it even affect performance tho? I was looking in task manager and it said “ENCODE” unlike my game which said “3D”

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don’t nvidia gpu’s have dedicated ‘chips’ for encoding and decoding that isn’t related to actual 3D rendering and stuff?

haughty thistle
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Yeah, but afaik they're using CUDA or OpenGL for encoding the video (to get that low latency), which would run just on the normal GPU FP32 cores. Reason I don't belive they're using Nvenc (which is what those dedicated encode/decode chips on Nvidia cards are called) is because Nvidia, being Nvidia, locks Nvenc on consumer GPUs to just 2 streams at a time max. So if you have Shadowplay always running in the background, that would already count as 1, so you couldn't then also stream with Nvenc and also use the Quest.
As you can actually stream the Quest with Nvenc in OBS while also having Shadowplay active in the background, that already eliminates the possibility of them using Nvenc

fluid cape
rapid otter
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@haughty thistle we were discussing with some friends about GPU's and i told them i wouldn't get an AMD card because of the bad drivers for VR, is it still the case ?

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Honestly, I haven't looked into this for a while. What I know for a fact is that the DP DSC implementation on AMD cards isn't as great as on Nvidia cards, and as a result some of the higher resolution VR HMDs aren't supported at native res/refreshrate on AMD GPUs. The ones that come to my mind are the Pimax 8k X being limited to 75Hz on anything that's not Nvidia RTX 20-Series and the Varjo headsets not working with AMD GPUs period. I think the Vive Pro 2 is also limited to one resolution setting below native, but it doesn't really matter on there anyways, as the VP2 doesn't run at native res even on a 3090, because of it's stupid auto-res thingy...

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I'm sure as VR-HMDs outpace DP specs, seeing more HMDs just flat-out not working on AMD GPUs is something we'll see more often in the future. It's just the sad truth, that AMD didn't really care about DSC and as a result, these HMDs just can't be fed with the amount of data they need...

rapid otter
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Ho and tanks

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I forgot

glad sand
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I will say AMD GPUs I’ve seen lower than MSRP, specifically the 6900XT, so that’s pretty cool. Some workloads also drastically favor AMD, but some others also favor NVIDIA so check Gamers Nexus’ reviews to see what works best for your non-VR use-case. NVIDIA has certainly put more effort into VR features and such but the only issues I’ve really run into with VR have been issues related to Windows or like laptops not having DP out properly

haughty thistle
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4k 144Hz is possible with just standard DP1.4, no DSC needed for that afaik

flint ridge
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Does vr use dlss

formal willow
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no

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except no mans sky i think

haughty thistle
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Implementing DLSS for VR is different to implementing it in Desktop. I think "Into the radius" is one of the few games that does support DLSS in VR. No mans sky might only have support for it in Desktop mode, but I'm not sure...

weak bluff
sullen linden
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Vive, RX cant do oculus link

weak bluff
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just as i expected

sullen linden
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Still not too bad though, almost 280 dollars for 1060 like VR preformance

weak bluff
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i was suspecting RX 6500 XT cant do link because of no encoder

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was just confirming that

sullen linden
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Yeah definitely cannot I tried

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Both quest 1 and 2

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No video output

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It cant even do air link

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But luckily the vive breakout box handles the video encoding

weak bluff
sullen linden
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Oh then im probably thinking of the PSVR

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But still yeah oculus link, no go

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That's why I said it's a pretty good VR card only if you have a dedicated PCVR headset

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Rift, vive, ect

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Also if you plan to stream PC games, or VR games I reccomended an 8 core CPU so you can offload 4 cores to that task

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I have a 4 core cpu and all the games I play seem pretty good with that

glad sand
haughty thistle
glad sand
harsh niche
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recently i've noticed in in my quest 2 over link darker places have been extremely grainy and staticy

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not like a normal level but at a level where i can physically see the pixels, moving and being weird like a staticy tv

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kinda like this

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but over top of the color

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is there any way to mess with the debug tool in a way that won't make this worse? idk what i did

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oh you know what

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it might be the sharpening they added amplifying the noise from the compression

haughty thistle
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I know that on OLED, this is called "Mura". As every Pixel and Sub Pixel on OLED panes is self emissive, they will have varying brightness outputs from the factory. Mura can be calibrated in the factory, but it's a labour intensive task and thus not often done. Headsets like the StarVR One had a fine Mura calibration, while headsets like the OG Vive and Rift CV1 didn't really, making the image, especially on solid colors look grainy, like you described above.
Now, as the Quest 2 has an LCD panel, and Mura doesn't really happen on a per pixel basis there, I'd more blame it on the compression, being artifacts of that, and possibly a post-compression image sharpening highlighting those artifacts even more.
I should clarify, that LCDs also have certain discoloration issues. But they can be categorised into 3 groups:

  1. Backlight bleed: Where blacks look more like grays/How much the backlight shines through black pixels
  2. Light fields: Areas of the screen that let through more of the backlight then others; Especially noticeable in long-exposure shots
  3. "Dirty Screen Effect": Discoloured patches of the LCD. Usually indicates that a low quality or damaged panel was used
leaden ruin
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I mean only problem i have with nvidia and vr is that i cannot stream in discord playing vr, whole sound just dissapears till i restart oculus app. Something to do with dhcp

haughty thistle
leaden ruin
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Maybe a setting in discord can fix it

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Oh and by sound dissapearing i mean all sound

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If i listen through headphones its fine even before closing/reopening oculus

haughty thistle
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That is weird...

leaden ruin
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Yeah

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When i searched online it had something with dhcp mentioned

full ether
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God I love VRchat.
The fact I can physically walk up to the Halo Reach warthog and get in the driver seat is INSANE.
The Metaverse ain't got nothin on VRchat.

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harsh niche
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10fps? Lol

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Vrchat + high detail textures sounds like a bad time

young marten
acoustic gate
untold kestrel
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hey are there any controllers like the oculus cv1 controllers that work with any headset, im not a fan of the size of the valve knuckles controllers or the vive wands but i want out of the oculus system

wise crescent
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@untold kestrel As far as I know your only options are the vive wands and index controllers when it comes to base station tracking

haughty thistle
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Besides the two mentioned by Peety, there are also the Pimax Sword controllers (which are essentially a re-hash of the Vive wands) and, if they ever come to market, there's also the Etee controller. No word on their availability yet tho

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First image are the Pimax Sword controllers, second image the Etee ones, both with the grip shown from the front

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untold kestrel
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dang sad days

summer owl
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does steamvr work with windows 11

green crypt
summer owl
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ok im getting windows 10

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heres the updated list. i should be done by now

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hopefully

weak bluff
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you need that APU?

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also windows 10 is better with digital key

summer owl
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2 things

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tf is an apu

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and which one of these os’s is a digital key

weak bluff
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5600G is an APU meaning its a CPU with integrated GPU in it

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you don't need it if you have discrete GPU already

summer owl
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then whats a good cpu

weak bluff
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cpu without G are CPUs

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just saying since you might need it but i dont see you need it

green crypt
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Also a digital key is like less than 20usd just go to a key site

weak bluff
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if you dont know windows digital key then you stick with what you can understand better then

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but yeah

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digital key is significant ch\eaper

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or just dont use digital key and use without

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also if you dont need APU (the integrated GPU) you will save money with CPU without which is faster

summer owl
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then i gotta do that

weak bluff
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possible alternative is Ryzen 5 5600X

summer owl
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k

weak bluff
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but i did not check price so idk if its good deal

summer owl
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that one is 228

weak bluff
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ugh ima check the list then

summer owl
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thats like 10 dollars more than the last one i had

weak bluff
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yeah 5600X is definitely better but its extr price

summer owl
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this right

weak bluff
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yeah

summer owl
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k

weak bluff
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are you ok with that extra $20?

summer owl
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yeah

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its just 20

weak bluff
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its better then

summer owl
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ok

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now what do i do with the 108 dollars for windows 10

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110*

weak bluff
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you can exclude it

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you dont really need it to have windows

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and if you want license you can always buy later

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just get a usb with windows installation and install on pc

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and you can buy license later

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all is available officially no 3rd party or piracy

summer owl
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so what would happen if i run the machine without that key

weak bluff
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nothing

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no penalty

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except no persolalization and watermark

summer owl
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then whats the point of it

weak bluff
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its required on paper but you dont really need it since there is no consequence for it

summer owl
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a watermark is a pretty big consequence

weak bluff
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Microsoft pretend you need to pay for Windows but they really want you to use it even if it means pirating

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since they profit by you just using it

summer owl
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idc about the 100 im gonna spend on it im not dealing with a watermark

weak bluff
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also watermark can be removed without paying

green crypt
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Just find a keysite that sell a key for 20

weak bluff
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or that ^

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which you simply pay online

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they send key

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and you redeem in settings

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all solved

green crypt
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Or if you go to college or university you can buy a key off them in some cases

summer owl
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ill just stick with what i have

weak bluff
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yeah if this is confusing just do whatever

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TLDR its a ripoff to buy it but its the most easy way

summer owl
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alright

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updated list

weak bluff
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you might need BIOS update idk

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otherwise it works perfectly

summer owl
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bios update?

weak bluff
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updating motherboard firmware

pale orbit
sudden anchor
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Having yet another weird VR issue - my vive pro 2 has started doing the grey screen thing. In my first hour or two of play time every 5 to 10 minutes itll grey screen with the vive pro 2 software saying it cannot detect the USB cable and steamvr loosing contact with all controllers, pucks, lighthouses and headset

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itll loose contact with everything but usually all reconnects itself in less that 15 seconds

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this happens only within the 1st hour perhaps 2 at max of playtime

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once i have been playing a game for a while - the problem is gone

copper granite
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I have a samsung hmd odyssey, and a few months ago windows mixed reality did some fucking update that makes it look like they put vaseline all over the lenses

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any alternatives to WMR, or to fix this?

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my headset is fine, it's just the WMR software is garbage

weak bluff
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reinstall software

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if its broken future update prob will fix it

haughty thistle
sudden anchor
pale orbit
oblique hare
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Does anyone know if Climb 2 will be ported to RIft Platform or SteamVR at all

fluid cape
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Rift is dead, if it comes to PCVR it'd be Steam

haughty thistle
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Unfortunatly, the Climb has always been an Oculus Metabook exclusive, so the chances of it to come to Steam are slim. And like you said, the Rift Platform is dead (PC Oculus Metabook Store at least), so the chances of coming to that are also rather slim. all in all, unlikely to come to PC...

oblique hare
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I mean I do have a quest 2, but I absolutely HATE the non-link part of it

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i also have a rift

gentle coral
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GDC was weird this year, but quite fun. Lot of stuff I am still organizing, and a lot of talks I still need to watch. But I do know that some interesting tech is on the way for sure now, and that AWE (augmented world expo), and SID display week will have some pretty interesting demos.

One thing that seems certain now is that the Qualcomm XR2 gen 2 (based on the mobile chipset and maybe something like an XR3 gen 1 (based on the compute chipset) are much further along then most leaks would suggest.

The problem (and why i won't just yet upgrade any release timeline to early 2023 or late 2022) is because of the slowdown in hardwear subcomponent validation. We already see this with displayport 2.0 which was put almost 2 years behind schedule due to the pandemic, and mobile chip AV1 hardwear encoders being still a bit behind schedule. I also think they are working on improving their AI engine and sensor hub due to the increasing camera and slam requirements of upcoming headsets. Their current SOC subcomponent is the Qualcomm® Hexagon™ 780 Processor, and the second gen sensing hub.

The reason I think a compute chip based XR chip possibly in the works is the popularity of phone tether, and compute pack based headsets.

At GDC Qualcomm was showing demos of Snapdragon Spaces XR using the Lenovo’s ThinkReality A3 smart glasses (a XR1 inside) tethered to a special Motorola smartphone that has an XR2 in it (what one of them said) (or it might have been a moto G100, the recommended phone to tether to). It was really good, and they said that the tethered solution was very popular as it lowered the weight of the headset, and moved the cooling away from the headset as well.

rapid otter
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Very interesting

echo saffron
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wat

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w h y

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pretty sure this technically counts as a vr thing, even tho it's not good

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(not saying the suit isn't bad, the metaverse iz bad)

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(I have no clue about anything on the suit in fact..)

rapid otter
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What day are we ?

echo saffron
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April 1st? 2022?

haughty thistle
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BuT meTAvErsE!!1elefen

rapid otter
haughty thistle
echo saffron
rapid otter
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👆

echo saffron
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I don't get your point.

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oh

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wait

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you're saying the suit is an april fools joke?

rapid otter
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Yes it is

echo saffron
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ayy

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noice

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good

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gud gud

sullen linden
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Razer doesn't really prank people but instead disappoints them

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all the things they tell us about are theoretically doable

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this suit is really just advanced VR gear

haughty thistle
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Ya sure...

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What about that one Energy Drink they once had, or the floating mouse...

sullen linden
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yes the floating mouse could

haughty thistle
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(or the toaster that can make toast RGB)

sullen linden
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or put it on a hooverboard

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i wish the rgb mask was an april fools joke too

glad sand
gentle coral
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Almost all of the razer pranks are possible, and sometimes are even built. They have the R&D to definitely build a suit like that. Their downfall (like usual) would be QA testing, which they have sucked at for years (i have a few inside sources at razer).

Though then again the QA testing industry for games and end user electronics is an absolute mess (just as bad as the game dev exploitation).

Even valve fails at many QA related things with their hardware (just look at all the issues with early index headsets).

glad sand
gaunt lintel
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PSVR good if your looking to get into VR for like £70?

gentle coral
# glad sand Their QA for even things like their Blade laptop, which they’ve had for *years*,...

Yep, that is why i have stuck to Gigibyte for laptops now for 6 years, had friends with blades, and Asus Zephrus laptops that have all had multiple bad batteries keyboard issues, thermal issues, port issues, etc. Most of my game dev friends have gone through 3 or 4 laptops in the time I needed to switch once. Though considering how hard we push our laptops (for VR, compile, rendering, etc), we do push push laptops a lot further then most. I hope to get a new thunderbolt 4 dock soon, but most of them have been having coil whine, heat issues, or stability issues. Considering I usually have 3 extra monitors, my VR headset, livestreaming gear (cameras, audio, control), external storage, keyboard, mouse, macro keypad, 2 game controllers, etc. So I use dongles out the wazu. And my setup is quite tame to the multi-laptop setup of one of my friends who has 3 gaming laptops all configured for different work, with high speed data transfer between them (so he can do compile on one machine while working on music and assets on the others, and has 3 VR headsets always connected (1 to a shadow gaming server computer in the cloud).

He has gone through i think 3 razer laptops, and 2 Zephyrus laptops in the past 4 years.

glad sand
# gentle coral Yep, that is why i have stuck to Gigibyte for laptops now for 6 years, had frien...

Yup sounds about right, sounds like how I use my machines lol, though tbh I’ve been pretty light on my Blades (since my expectation is for them to not last) and have still had issues…they’re especially bad lol. ASUS laptops ain’t amazing either imho, but some can be, very case-by-case. They seemed to have made the 2022 G14 pretty compelling but the price is about double last year’s 🥲

patent dagger
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is the quest 2 worth it

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ima be using with my gaming pc

gentle coral
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I usually use 3 laptops as well, a mac, gaming laptop and my big media storage laptop (disc drive, and 3.5 TB ssd). But I need a new mac and am saving for a few tablets as well.

But getting more VR gear to develop with, and review is my current goal for the summer.

glad sand
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Also no Facebook :D

scarlet meteor
forest ermine
echo saffron
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sad?

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i'm kinda glad lel

gaunt lintel
forest ermine
gentle coral
# patent dagger is the quest 2 worth it

For its price Quest 2 is unbeatable. But if you have more money, the HP reverb G2 is quite good. Also not needing Facebook is a great aspect of other headsets (though you do loose some exclusive games and experiences. If you want full immersion then steping up to a steamvr lighthouse tracked setup gives you a lot of cool features.

restive zodiac
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Should I wait for the ps VR 2, I have a PS5 and a PC

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Or should I get quest 2 instead?

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I am pretty clueless VR wise

gentle coral
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If you have a PS5 you might wait a bit for the PSVR2 as it seems like the headset to beat right now. But do not pre order it (unless they have a cancelation policy), wait for third party reviewers as it might have a few issues. And it depends on what exclusives it gets as well. If it somehow works on PC as well then it might change the VR market landscape quite a bit.

I think sony, and meta will have some announcements this spring or summer.

It ultimately depends how much you want to wait. They could easily drop info at AWE, SID display week, E3, PAX East, or arround the time of apple WWDC. April, may, june is a big time for AR and VR tech behind the scenes.

lament scroll
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And if not any official support, if it’s gonna use more traditional connectors and bluetooth, I bet people would totally get into rigging it for pc

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Also hoping for that since, while the Quest 2 is tempting, I just don’t feel comfortable having to setup and link a facebook account to it.

haughty thistle
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Sony? Allowing a subsidised Product to be used on non-subsidised platforms? In what kind of dream world do you live in. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony implemented some DRM into the PSVR2 to make it work only with the PS5 tbh...

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And besides, the PSVR1 can already be used with PCs via custom software, but the controllers aren't supported at all, so the experience is sub-par. I'd say worse then even the OG WMR controllers (which also no game supported, but those at least can emulate a Vive Wand)

digital bolt
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definitely dont think there will be a first party way to use with PC (hope there would be though) but I do think there will be a fan made way to use it on pc also new controllers are much more similar to standard controllers so i'd bet theyd work (albeit the haptics probably wont be as good)

patent dagger
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can a 2080ti run the quest 2

misty solstice
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i have an rx570 and it's mostly fine

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games like hla, boneworks etc which are at the higher-graphics end of the pcvr market should be perfect

glad sand
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How much is an HTC Vive worth? Let's say with and without the deluxe audio strap. I've got one of each and am trying to figure out if $450 cash for both is reasonable or not, that's what someone offered me. They both include everything from new as well as a bunch of extra cables and protective cases and stuff

weak bluff
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thats not really a good price but possibly your personal preference might be ok with that

haughty thistle
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As the 1.0 lighthouses still cost 300$ new for a pair, I'd say you can expect about 250$ for those alone used. The Deluxe Audio strap is 120$ new, and could be used for HMDs as well, so other then the foam being a consumable on it, I don't see much depreciation on that either. The Vive Wands aren't really that great, so 100$ for the blue ones or 50$ for the black ones would be max I'd pay for a pair of those...
Lastly, the HMD wise, I honestly don't really have an idea in mind for what a good price for that alone would be. In a full kit (without the DAS) a good price would be around 350$. You'd be essentially getting the HMD for free with a pair of Vive Wands and lighthouses

weak bluff
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I personally prefer Rift CV1 over Vive

haughty thistle
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If you don't have that biog of a room and 3 cameras, I agree. But the Vive can handle larger playspaces much better, plus you don't need to run USB cables everywhere

patent dagger
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i am sore from the quest 2 right now that boxing game is life

pale orbit
gentle coral
# haughty thistle Sony? Allowing a subsidised Product to be used on non-subsidised platforms? In w...

Sony is changing quite a bit, and is moving to have much more PC support, so that they can compete with Xbox. Many Sony devs i know wouldn't mind if this was the last true play station console, and move to just a custom standard pc for PS6. Playstation has good enough exclusives that many people would happily pay $400 for a USB stick that allows for play station games to be playable on PC. I also know many devs who would love the simplicity of not having to port their game, and just sign a timed exclusive.

gentle coral
# pale orbit https://www.psypost.org/2022/04/virtual-reality-can-induce-mild-and-transient-sy...

That's a good concise article, thanks for sharing. The actual scientific paper is much cooler though, and has some really interesting findings that are much more suprising (DPDR is already well known in VR (even without studies to prove it, it has been understood for decades)). The finding part way down, that there is "No evidence for a VR-induced emotional or psychophysiological hyporeagibility" is very good news and very important as it means that our bodies already consider VR to be realistic enough to not cause much physiological change in our body (even with cybersickness). This also means we do not need to weight physiological metrics differently when in VR vs real world situations. And can use VR for simulations meant to change physiological responses.

Here is a link to the actual scientific paper

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0747563222000553

limpid vine
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just picked up a quest 2 and holy cow this thing is fun

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I got airlink set up and works like a charm its insane

gloomy crater
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Would I be justified in advertising this system as "VR-Ready"?

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Or would VR Capable be a better phrase actually

limpid vine
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Unless you're cranking up scaling out the wazoo you should be fine

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at least for any Index or quest 2 setup

gloomy crater
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Okay, that's good to hear. I'm getting ready to list this system for sale but I'm not able to test its capabilities cause my headset is across the state

limpid vine
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I know they have some crazy pimax 5k headsets which even 3090s struggle with, but any mainstream Vr should be more than ok

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speaking of VR/AR what do you guys think about leaks about apple AR glasses? They've been messing around with lidar on the phones for a few generations of iPhone and the iPad Pro lineup so i think it would be interesting to see for sure.

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especially considering how much better apple silicon has become with the m1 lineup it might be the bump they need to make a vr/ar centric device

gentle coral
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Considering their current timeline and leaks, i think dev units of their VR / MR headset will go out after WWDC and will probably launch in the fall.

I have yet to hear if they are going to do a fully standalone, or require a tethered device (wireless or wired) for main processing. I personally expect that they will do a tethered device methodology currently as that will give a much better overall platform, and they can target the experiences to meet their usual high standards. It also gives a lot of benefits for designing the headset to be much lighter and more ergonomic.

Even a wireless teather based headset could be fantastic thanks to their battery, antenna, and codec teams. Apple like Qualcomm is about to support AV1 hardwear encoding and decoding on many of their upcoming SOC's, which could help, along with DSC (display stream compression).

I know that they would do a fully standalone headset if it could meet their standards, but that might be hard.

It is likely whatever they choose certain features will only work when tethered to certain devices.

Also their AR stuff is probably still a few years out. But this VR / MR device will definirly be an onramp for that device.

However they do it, it will be out of most people's price range. I will probably only be able to get a press review unit.

rapid otter
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I'm gonna get some old GPUs next week and i was wondering how old (not really relating to compute power ) can you go ?
What are the limitations direct x ? Chip architecture ?

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@haughty thistle

gentle coral
haughty thistle
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Should have the right Display Out. That's for sure one point. Not any HDMI 1.4 GPU can output the necessary canvas dimensions for VR (the spec used by OG Vive and Rift CV1 are 1.4a). When it comes to DisplayPort, most headsets use DP1.2, although those utilizing DSC need DP1.4, even if they only use DP1.2 bandwidth.
When it comes to Quest Link, you'd need at least a 10-Series Nvidia GPU (excluding 1030 and 1050/-Ti) or RX 400 GPU from AMD...

gentle coral
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Yep the HDMI or DP are somewhat of the more noticeable limiting factor.

Also windows 7 can be used for VR, so software side you have some leeway.

I think almost anything after 2011 on pcie 3.0 works.

rapid otter
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I'm getting a GTX 260

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Wanted to try wireless because it's DVI

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But it seems unlikely it will ever work

gentle coral
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With a dvi to hdmi adapter it might be possible. But the gtx 260 is about the same processing power as the integrated vega 8 gpu, and less then the chip in the Nintendo switch.

gusty frost
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Could I play vr with a 980ti then?

gentle coral
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For sure, though not on a high end modern headsets usually (index, reverb g2, Quest 2). But most games would be playable with the right settings.

Quest 2 will work but might take some tweaking to get really playable, as it also demands a lot from the cpu for compression.

gusty frost
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Yeah, I'll play on the oculus quest 2

gentle coral
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There are lots of guides on getting good settings for wired or wireless pcvr on quest 2 using older hardware.

rapid otter
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I can do CPU video encoding

gentle coral
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It would be cool to check, but it might have a lot of issues. The headset would probably need to be set to 36 or 45 frames per second with application spacewarp, then render the rest in headset. But the render resolution even for airlink is usually about 3k x 1.5k. You would need to turn this down to get a stable 36 or 45 fps.

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Though I do know that oculus software does not always play nice on old systems. (Heck it doesn't even on new systems).

rapid otter
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It's not na old system it has an R5 2600 and 16gb of ram

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Just an old GPU

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Also i could try using amd fsr in games like Boneworks

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But it has 890mo of vram

gusty frost
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Ups, wrong channel

weak bluff
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just because it "runs" does not mean experience is good

unknown.png
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low spec VR is always a nightmare

rapid otter
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Imagine with my 260

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I don't even think i could launch anything

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Direct x 9

mental radish
#

My rx 580 was good enough for all the vr games I played

signal snow
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when will there be another game like half life alyx

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hla is the only vr game in which i was immersed to the point where i physically almost tripped trying not to walk into a wall

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in any other game i wouldve just went right through

red sable
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But when I’m not using my vr the thing pulls 144fps on ultra and I have no idea why

red sable
gloomy crater
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The lowest spec GPU I've ever been able to play with is a 4gb RX550 at super low res and detail in beat saber on my index.

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Wasn't a fun experience, even just going from that to a 4gb RX570 was a noticeable performance increase, but it was still bad

weak bluff
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Alyx is a result of a work not taking profit as priority but to mainstream VR

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(It did profit anyways)

wicked ocean
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Super excited to finally have a connection between the LTT and LucidVR communities hehe

gloomy crater
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Good to have you here

gloomy crater
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This just in: the grey screen glitch in the index is still a thing 🙂 guess I'm forcing my pcie slots back to gen 3