#virtual-reality | Linus Tech Tips | Page 83

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:11 PM

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I could get a brand new Vive Pro for escentially 499€ (rather then the 649€ that HTC is asking)

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Resellers are only scalpers if they are selling the item during the items production window for more then 20% above its first hand cost. (At least that's my opinion).

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Well I was thinking about pro but Im not sure about it, doesnt it have only 90hz? and worse controlers?

jagged echo Dec 7, 2020, 7:11 PM

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U mean the first production window? So just on release

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I can get that tbh

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:12 PM

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silk oasis Well I was thinking about pro but Im not sure about it, doesnt it have only 90hz...

The Vive Pro isn't worth it, unless you really intend on upgrading to wireless, and don't trust rumors

jagged echo Dec 7, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@silk oasis yes vive controllers are huge dildos and it only can do 90

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:12 PM

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@haughty thistle Oh true if you are getting new vive pro it makes sense as the pro eye is still quite expensive.

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Also the Vive Pro lenses are closer to those of the OG Vive then anything else recently released

jagged echo Dec 7, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Why would u want close to og vive lenses they were super low res

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:13 PM

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You know what I hate about scalpers? Mostly they doesnt give a fuck about our hobby, they are just here to make money of group of people that are pasionate about something

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Lenses are not the same as screens

jagged echo Dec 7, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Oh oopsieee

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My b

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:14 PM

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The OG Vive lenses aren't the greatest with blurryness at the edge of the FOV, small sweetspot and godrays AF, but one thing they have going for them is a large FOV without having the lenses too close to the face (as they use quite big lenses actually)

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There are really only two things going for the Vive Pro over the Index, and that is it's OLED Screens and Wireless adapter support. Other then that, might as well go with an Index (which I already have)

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:26 PM

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I really wish it was easier to build custom wireless systems, but so many of the parts are hard to integrate well. Picture a wireless adapter that works for all headsets, and is at 100Ghz (a much better frequency then the 60Ghz 802.11AD standard, due to less molecular interference) communication band. I don't remember the theoretical bandwidth, but it would be enough to have pretty low compression if the encoding and decoding are done well.

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:27 PM

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I would love to be able to buy wireless display ports adapters

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:28 PM

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They exist in the cinema and events industry but are not all that good for moving targets and take a lot of power, and are bulky.

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Wireless hdmi is much more common though

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Plus: From what I've read about a wireless HDMI adapter, it had horrendous Latency. Like a second or two

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Yep some are that bad

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:30 PM

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It wasn't even that cheap. I think it was like 200$ or something...

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Most i have heard are at best a hundred ms. On $500 and more models.

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Maybe one day wifi will be able to transmit like 32gbit/s and we could just use it 😛

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Haha, "laughs in physics".

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:33 PM

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Wifi 6e is a step in the right direction, but the marketing is BS. Only Wifi 6e (with the e not the one without) is actually running at 6GHz. Regular Wifi 6 is just a protocol improvement over Wifi 5 (or Wifi 5GHz). Wifi 6e is where the actual meaningful improvements come in for VR

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:33 PM

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"802.11ay can achieve much higher speeds: 277 Gb/s" Isn't that enough?

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:34 PM

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Those are theoratical speeds

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Real world speeds are usually much lower then that

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:34 PM

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yeah so even if we split it by 10, it should be enough right?

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:34 PM

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My Router says it can transit up to 1.3Gb/s (Gigiabytes). In real world performance it's limited to around 700Mbit/s (Megabits) (which is much lower)

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:35 PM

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its more then half of the speed 🙂

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:35 PM

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700Mbit/s is closer to 87.5Mb/s

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:35 PM

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ah GB didnt read the ()

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:36 PM

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The problem with 60Ghz is everything that interferes with it.

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Yeah... But it's like the best we have rn...

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Anything over requires insane electronics to drive afaik

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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haughty thistle My Router says it can transit up to 1.3Gb/s (Gigiabytes). In real world performa...

What kind of router offers 1.3GB/s? most I can find gives 6.77 Gb/s

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Prolly 6.77Gbit/s

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I've seen marketing crap pulled off like this multiple times

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:39 PM

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Tbh I hate using bits instead of bytes thats the crapiest

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also gigabytes as 1000 not 1024 O.o I hate that

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 7:40 PM

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I haven't really seen Wifi 5 routers that have theoratical rated speed of over 5Gb/s

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:40 PM

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well.. ofc. giga = 1000 but still...

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:41 PM

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That would probably be an AC11000 class router 11000 Mbps is a bit over 1.2 GBps.

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To go above 1.5 GBps you need enterprise grade equipment usually

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Tbh I would prefere to just use cable 😛

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:43 PM

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But yep the 802.11ay spec could theoretically transfer displayport 1.4 wirelessly

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 7:44 PM

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how far are we from first routers with 802.11ay?

gentle coral Dec 7, 2020, 7:54 PM

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But to get around the interference issues you would probably be looking at needing multiple directional transmitters placed around a room so that you can't block it easily. Or bigger horns on the headset receiver. As i was easily able to occlude the wireless receiver if i was bending over to pick something up off the ground once or twice, and the decrease in fidelity was instantly noticeable.

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802.11ay is already available in a few enterprise buisness solutions and a few short distance airfiber solutions.

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Qualcomm started production of chipsets in 2018

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First notable use seems to be this

https://www.cablinginstall.com/wireless-5g/article/14168110/common-networks-rolls-out-80211ay-rooftop-hardware-for-1-gbps-fixed-wireless-broadband

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There seems to be a big lack of consumer 802.11 ay transmitters and receivers.

silk oasis Dec 7, 2020, 8:05 PM

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Hmm thats interesting 🙂

haughty thistle Dec 7, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Oof... I just calculated how much it would cost me to get a Full Vive pro + Wireless setup and it would be almost 900€ already including the 100€ cupon I have... Now I'm not so sure whether I want to get it or not tbh...

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I might just get the Vive Pro now (for the OLED screens), and the Wireless adapter later

rustic garnet Dec 7, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Can you use the vive wireless with any other headsets

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It's just usb+hdmi isn't it?

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Most other headsets either use displayport, or use a different method for power, which would not work with the wireless adapter. Also I don't remember if the wireless adapter for the pro uses the proprietary connector or the non proprietary connector.

rustic garnet Dec 8, 2020, 1:20 AM

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God when is vr cabling gonna get standardized

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Virtuallink was on the right track and they just dropped it

upper delta Dec 8, 2020, 1:26 AM

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how do i get the mic to work on vr chat? i unmuted it in game and went thru my pc settings and came up with nothing

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desktop mode if that helps

night gale Dec 8, 2020, 2:04 AM

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any upcoming inside out tracking vr headsets that seem to be around the same quality of tracking as the oculus quest 2 but is not an oculus vr headset?

grim falcon Dec 8, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Would you recommend the quest 2 as a good vr headset

sullen linden Dec 8, 2020, 2:33 AM

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big navi has come kinda vrlink thing

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wierd how nvidia dropped it tho

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 4:20 AM

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gentle coral Most other headsets either use displayport, or use a different method for power,...

The Vive Pro and Vive Cosmos both use the proprietary connector with the Wireless adapter

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 4:24 AM

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rustic garnet Virtuallink was on the right track and they just dropped it

From what I've heard the biggest problem with VirtualLink was that it couldn't supply enough power for headsets like the Index, while also being too new for any headset to just use it as it's main connector. Basically, it always would've been just utilised with adaptors (similar to how the Index would've used it) just so that other people without said connector can also use the headset.
Besides that, It's always easier adopting a higher spec connector down to a lower spec one, but not the other way around, which is another reason to do it this way...

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Ultimately, it wouldn't have solved the proprietary connectors on the headsets, it just would've switched what kind of connector(s) you use on the back of your PC

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 4:53 AM

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There were also stability and cost issues, as making a full length cable that supports virtualLink would be extremely expensive due to needing to transfer the data and power over a longer distance than most cables are usually tested for, or rated to. I haven't heard if the AMD cards have a virtualLink port, or if it is just a displayport alternate mode USB type c port (there is a difference). The proper answer to all these issues will probably end up being just have all headsets use two type c connectors at the each end (usb+power, displayport). And if your computer can't power it over the type c port, have it come with a power breakout adapter.

sly falcon Dec 8, 2020, 4:59 AM

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grim falcon Would you recommend the quest 2 as a good vr headset

yes, very

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 5:45 AM

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grim falcon Would you recommend the quest 2 as a good vr headset

well yes but if you have the money to spend for an index get an index

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 7:10 AM

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bc its probably the best vr headset currently

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but if you budget is lower you can either get a quest 2 with outstanding value or a reverb g2

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:16 AM

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The Quest 2 is a decent headset, with decent PCVR support. But if you're willing to spend more, you'll probably find a better headset for PCVR pretty easily

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 7:29 AM

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but one thing about the reverb g2 is that the controllers arent good

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they dont look comfortable

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the reverb g2 would have been very close to the index and probably wayy better and very close to the index if it shipped with the knuckles controllers

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i know the price of the knucles controllers are pretty expensive

rustic garnet Dec 8, 2020, 7:41 AM

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haughty thistle Ultimately, it wouldn't have solved the proprietary connectors on the headsets, ...

You could have one on the headset end as well

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So just a long usb c cable

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:43 AM

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thick nest they dont look comfortable

Apparently the G2 Controllers are pretty comfortable (stillw waiting on my G2 so can't confirm). The biggest downfall imo on the G2 Controllers is the lack of capacitive sensors. This means social VR applications are going to be hindered by these Controllers

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:46 AM

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rustic garnet You could have one on the headset end as well

I already explained why that wouldn't have been the case:
Because most headset would've just opted for the VirtualLink connector as an adapter from their proprietary connector, rather then fully embracing the format. VirtualLink had also the problem it was somewhat of a proprietary connector on it's own with it's USB 3.1 speed rather then the standardized USB 3.0 seen when using DisplayPort Alternative Channel

iron turtle Dec 8, 2020, 7:55 AM

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My Valve Index is not working with the pc

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it dosen't load my games

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its a hassle for me

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 8:29 AM

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wdymm

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it doesnt load games

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can you give more info please

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 8:57 AM

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haughty thistle Apparently the G2 Controllers are pretty comfortable (stillw waiting on my G2 so...

ehh from what im seeing the didnt change much from prvevious windows headsets

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i would have given the g2 a 10 if it came with knuckles

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Like I said, I can't give a proper assessment without having one on hand, but from what I can tell, both the production quality as well as Controller shapes are much more hand friendly then what they used to be on WMR

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The old ones were pretty Square with the small Plattform kindof just Glied in at the top. The grip button was in a very unnatural place, hard to press and digital

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The G2 Controllers are much rounder with an analog grip button and a shaped trigger (compared to the flat one on the old WMR ones)

📎 hp.1040.627.ma1c.12.jpg

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:17 AM

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iits bascially a quest 1 controller with the ring in the middle

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Considering the G2 Controllers missing the capacitive sensors, it isn't as great as the Touch V2 (OG Quest/Rift S). The G2 Controllers are also significantly larger

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:18 AM

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and the ring is pointing outwards instead of inwards at the end

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:18 AM

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That tracking ring hasn't changed in size, and from what I remember on my Lenovo WMR, that thing is huge

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:19 AM

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what do capacitive sensors tacker

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track

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ohhh

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Whether you have your finger on the analog stick, face buttons or on the Trigger on the back

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:20 AM

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yeah thats actually cool

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bc it gives developers more options to give users immersiveness

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:20 AM

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Since the G2 is lacking them, Social VR games like VRC are going to be not as great with these Controllers

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:20 AM

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yeah

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but im guessing you can get a pair of knuckles to connect with it

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:21 AM

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VRC uses the capacitive sensors to do hand gestures. On the G2, you have to press the buttons to simulate that :/

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:21 AM

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does that work on the q2 controllers

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i wanna try that out actually

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:21 AM

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You can use Knuckles, but like with any other headset, you have to bring your own lighthouses as well as dongles

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:21 AM

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yeah

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at that point im guessing just get an index

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Yep

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Although, if you're more into sim games, you might not even care about the Controllers, or maybe you already have an Index in which case the G2 headset is an upgrade (you can just use any native SteamVR headset as a pair of dongles by only leaving the video connector unplugged)

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:25 AM

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nice

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i wanna see how good it will look in games

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when it gets here

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:41 AM

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According to Bestware, I can expect mine to arrive on the 10th. The batch should arrive today actually, so I might get a shipping notice today even if everything goes right

rustic garnet Dec 8, 2020, 9:49 AM

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thick nest yeah thats actually cool

Before my rift broke it was super awesome

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:55 AM

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lol

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:55 AM

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haughty thistle According to Bestware, I can expect mine to arrive on the 10th. The batch should...

mine should arrive in the next 2-3 days

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hopefully

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nothing goes wrong

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Same herr

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The 10th is the day after tomorrow for me

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 9:56 AM

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haughty thistle I already explained why that wouldn't have been the case: Because most headset w...

Actually displayport alternate mode is usb 2.0 when using full bandwidth displayport. If you drop to partial speed displayport you get a lane of USB 3.2 gen 1x1 (usb 3.0, or usb 3.1 gen 1)

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:57 AM

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I guess one never stops learning

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 9:57 AM

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Alsi for people wondering about the G2 controllers i talked about them in here a few days ago

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:57 AM

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All I knew was that the implementation in VirtualLink was not standard confirm xD

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:58 AM

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haughty thistle The 10th is the day after tomorrow for me

same here

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Yep Virtuallink swapped the 2.0 lane to be 3.0 5gb

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 9:58 AM

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my excitment level is 1000000

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Or usb 3.0 power 27watts if I remember correctly

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Let me repost my accessing of the g2 controllers again

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 9:59 AM

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Wouldn't a link to your last message about the Controllers suffice?

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Example: #virtual-reality message

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Controller ergonomics i would give a C+, buttons B, main trigger C-, side trigger D-, stick D, battery access C.

I am most disappointed by the side trigger as it is in a bad location for people with medium to large hands as it starts to far forward, and is to soft. I expect I am going to be accidentally pressing it a lot. It is the only part I found fundamentally worse in every aspect compared to the original WMR controllers. Though the main trigger is also very soft.

I will probably 3d print some controller mods to help fix the issues in ergonomics. At least until I get some index controllers and base stations.

If I want to hold it properly there are massive gaps all over the place, and my grip on the controller becomes very weak.

Also the stick is way to small

Its smaller then the old WMR controller. It is about half the size of a normal Xbox stick. And the texture is terrible for edge control. This means people need to have their thumb over the whole stick to use it, instead of just needing about 30% like most console controllers. I will definitely 3d print a cover for the stick.

Bigger sticks on controllers are better for all hand sizes due to the ability to reach them easier, and use them with only a portion of their finger.

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 10:05 AM

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i kinda expected that actually

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they should have switched to knuckles

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or gone cheaper and fully copied oculus tbh

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 10:09 AM

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I think the main issue is that HP designed the controller instead of Microsoft, or actually getting an xbox controller team member to give input.

Its like they tried to copy oculus while never actually having tried the oculus touch controllers and just looked at pictures.

The proportions just seem weird in a few aspect, mainly the side button and the stick.

Though I have been enjoying my G2, and will post my review here in a few days.

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 10:11 AM

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yeah imagine if xbox designed that

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DAMN

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it would be sickkk

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and actually verry comfortable

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 10:15 AM

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I personally find the Switch Pro controller more comfortable

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 10:15 AM

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Its why i actually feel the original WMR controllers felt better in terms of the buttons.

I can definitely tell Microsoft probably didn't have input on the controllers due to all the issues that any of their controller hardware people would pick up instantly.

Having a recent Xbox controller, and both sets of WMR controllers here, I can tell that the Xbox controller designers worked on the old standard controller based on how the triggers and buttons feel.

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 10:16 AM

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The Sticks are also smoother and the ABXY buttons also feel better to me on the Switch Pro controller

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 10:17 AM

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I got a Dualsense controller and using it and the G2 in VR games is great so far

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 10:17 AM

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The Old WMR controllers were an ergonomic mess. As if the Xbox team said what parts to use and then the Windows or surface team designed the damn' thing

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Just hope updated haptics come to steam for reactive triggers.

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 10:18 AM

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haughty thistle The Old WMR controllers were an ergonomic mess. As if the Xbox team said what pa...

That is almost exactly what i think happened

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 10:20 AM

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gentle coral Just hope updated haptics come to steam for reactive triggers.

I mean y the idea of adaptive/reactive triggers is great, but considering how the 2h battery life of the Vive Wireless Adapter scared people away from it...
Imagine peoples reaction if it's the included Controller on their next headset

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At least from what I've heard the PS5 Controllers have a battery life of roughly 2h...

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 10:25 AM

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My idea of the WMR pitch meeting to dell, acer, asus, lenovo, hp, samsung ...

Microsoft- here we have a prototype WMR controller built by some xbox people.

Everyone-can we use it

Microsoft- even better you can hire a ergonomics team and design your own, and just use the parts we recommend.

Everyone- let's just use their one, Xbox team built it.

Microsoft- but its a prototype.

Everyone- so?

Microsoft (internal)- why do i even try to help these companies.

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@haughty thistle I always use my xbox and Playstation controllers plugged into my computer, so i don't really care about battery most of the time.

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 10:27 AM

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bascially yeah

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yeah me too

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i use a nacon wired controller

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its bascially if ps4 and xbox made a controller

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 10:33 AM

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I am excited as i might get back into designing controllers and haptics soon, and with the somewhat sad state of third party controllers for VR I think I have a few ideas that are finally viable.

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 10:37 AM

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that would be sick

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my modeling sucks currently

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i would like to improve them

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but im not sure when i can start

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 11:45 AM

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I reall want to enjoy VR theatre gaming

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It's so fun but I just can't get it to click for me

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Currently playing Fallout 4 in big screen

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 11:46 AM

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@pastel echo do you mean playing non vr games in a VR headset?

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 11:46 AM

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Yeah

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I'm doing that with Fallout 4 right now using my speakers after taking off the Rift ear things but even though it's fun I just can't really find myself wanting to do this regularly

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Maybe it's a resolution thing though

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 11:52 AM

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I agree that there is still something a bit off. A few reasons i have found that have caused me issues is not having a pass-through or VR synchronized keyboard, mouse, and controller. And the VR spaces to play games on a floating giant screen are not all that well made, and distract from the gaming. Resolution is also sometimes an issue but i need to test with my G2 to see if the extra resolution really helps. Once VR can be used instead of a monitor for any use case i will be very happy.

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I think if passthrough was better for using keyboard and mouse it would make a big difference

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 11:55 AM

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how do you mean pass through?

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I don't quite understand

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 11:58 AM

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The only easy way to view a real physical keyboard while in VR is to use the headset cameras in passthrough mode.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 11:58 AM

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OH

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I didn't even think of that

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I have about 90% keyboard memorized sorry for not realizing that's what you meant

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:01 PM

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Yep i am decent at typing while not looking, but if i need to use multiple devices it gets hard fast.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:02 PM

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Multiple devices?

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keyboard /mouse and controller?

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:04 PM

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I also have a few macro keypads, and have access to hotas, racing wheel, touchscreen, keyboard, and a few other things sometimes.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:05 PM

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now that you mention it I had those problems too I remember how I solved em though it is dusty

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Big screen just crashed my computer haha

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Anyway I have my keybinds and logitech gaming software open on a second monitor and displayed in the virtual space if I look to my left

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But yeah I agree with you, some sort of visual representation that isn't aids like that would be really good

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:06 PM

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Also i have to think of solutions that work for a majority of users. And touch typing is not something most people are very good at.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:07 PM

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That's why I didn't even think of it, also children use vr too so they would be at a disadvantage

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Elon needs to finish neuro link so I can get an oculus mod for it haha

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:08 PM

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Logitec was going to make a steam vr tracked keyboard but i dont think it ever was released

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Oh haha 😂 big screen didn't crash my computer

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It was discord somehow

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:10 PM

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https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/3/16602674/logitech-bridge-sdk-htc-vive-tracker-keyboard

The Verge

Logitech made a VR keyboard kit so you can type in the Vive

Logitech is making a virtual reality accessory kit that lets you see its keyboards inside VR, called Logitech Bridge. The Bridge system works with HTC’s Vive VR headset, using a Vive tracking disk,...

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That was in 2017, and would use partial pass-through to show where your hands are (but render everythingin simplified geometry). As full pass-through looks terrible.

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And recently an oculus app added a similar feature. Where you place a virtual keyboard ontop of where your real one would be.

https://uploadvr.com/immersed-real-keyboard-support/

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And oculus and Logitech are working on a keyboard passthrough feature together for Oculus infinite office.

https://uploadvr.com/quest-2-infinite-office-announce/

UploadVR

David Heaney

Oculus Quest 2 Gets 'Infinite Office' Features & Logitech Keyboard

Oculus Quest 2 is getting 'Infinite Office' features with the aim of making it suitable for real productivity, including a Logitech keyboard you can see in VR.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:24 PM

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mannn I am excited for Quest 2

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I have to wait till probably January to use mine

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:27 PM

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WMR, and steamvr eally needs to catch up if they want to be competitive (and considering how much windows is trying to improve ar and vr support in windows I will be sad if their version of this is not being fast tracked).

I also think steam needs a controlled passthrough mode soon, but don't know when that would come out.

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What i will probably try to make is a passthrough volume, where only the area i designate will show pass through, while everything else is still in the virtual world.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:36 PM

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Off topic

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:36 PM

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I also want to make some steamvr tracked accessories for my vr spaces. Things like -
chair
Cupholder
Desk
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pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:36 PM

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I have a facebook account I made a lot time ago with my real name, I since changed the listed name to a fake name, and I linked that facebook account to my Oculus account back in January or so

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I'm wondering if I have to change my listed name to my real name or if it's working on my Rift CV1 will it probably be fine on my Quest 2 as well

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Got any ideas? I don't know if they specifically double check people when they turn on their Quest 2 or if since I'm already merged I'll be fine

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:39 PM

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I am not sure what to expect, i have heard stories of it being fine, and stories of people being banned.

Since you already merged it, and it originally had your real name it might be fine, but i would check with others to be safe.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Aw see that is what I've done here, I'll probably ask again tomorrow when more active

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I just don't want people I actually know to look me up and find me on facebook, if they do that Facebook will be able to make the connection to who I know in real life again

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They haven't had accurate data on that since 2014

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I really like the idea of VR tracked spaces, I get really worried about spilling my waterbottle when I'm using desk experience VR

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 12:42 PM

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I havent logged into my oculus account since February when i last did a gametesting livestream for a Friend. I have yet to see exactly what has changed in regards to accounts that were already connected.

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@pastel echo The cupholder idea actually came from valve and the company that makes the steamvr tracking parts

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:48 PM

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i would do this all the time

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i would watch class game with my friends video chat with people

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it would be sick

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@pastel echo why are you gonna have to wait till january

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and i would recommend sticking with your real name in facebook

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and setting the can other vr users and friends see my facebook real name

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i did that

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:53 PM

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Well I changed the listed name back in 2015 or maybe it was 2013 and the url for my account is still my real name and due to me having a very unique name I am the only one you can find via search

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:54 PM

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soo

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no one would be able to see your name anyways if you had that option on

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:54 PM

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People in real life would be able to look me up on facebook .com

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:54 PM

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what would that change

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:55 PM

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It would change people in real life's ability to look me up on facebook .com

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I have a very unique name and I do not want that

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:55 PM

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if people know you in real life

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wouldnt it be normal if they had your facebook

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:55 PM

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I do not want people to have my facebook I do not use my facebook

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:56 PM

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so what

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if they have it

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they cant get data off you

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:56 PM

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I have accepted being a data identity to be sold and traded between companies but there is no connection to me in real life as it stands. The only thing you could hope to find is an archived newspaper clipping from 2006 and that's with specific keywords

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If real people start looking around and easily finding me online those lines will be blurred and I don't really want that

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:57 PM

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make a new account

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and set everything from a random name

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to a random date of birth

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to a random pfp

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but make it look real

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:58 PM

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That would be foolish because if facebook asks for your Drivers license you are dead in the water

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:58 PM

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like if your age is 30 and your picture is a kid

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what

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:58 PM

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and besides my oculus and facebook are already linked

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:58 PM

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do they actually do that

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:58 PM

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yes

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:58 PM

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wow

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all of that for an account

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 12:58 PM

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I do not know other countries but here in the U.S. they can

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Apps like Uber and Bird Scooters can do it too

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 12:59 PM

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big ooff

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umm but i still dont understand something

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how would people from vr get your identity if your username is not the one you used from your account

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:00 PM

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I don't care about the VR people haha they do not matter to me

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I care about people who know me in real life looking for me and finding me and building a web of connections that ties to real life me

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as it stands there is no way for someone to do that because I cannot be found online unless you already know how to find me

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:00 PM

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so its bascially if someones gets your name irl and searched around on facebook and got stuff from you

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oh ok

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Basically yes, it would let facebook build my social connections profile and now be able to give that info to others and build it larger

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:02 PM

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cant you hide your posts from people other than your friends

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just do that

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and hide your pfp and profile bar

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make it where only your friends can see it

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im pretty sure facebook has a setting for that

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Yeah I could and it's what I will do if I have to change my listed name

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I just want to minimize people in life finding my presence online

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:05 PM

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ok

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i hope that helps

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bc other than that idk what other options you have

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Not get quest 2 lol

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but I think I've accepted that where my life is headed now a data overhead wont affect me

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:07 PM

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me too

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:07 PM

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but your younger years are when it matters most to secure your data because who knows where you'll be going in life

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that's why I didn't even allow people to take photos of me until I was around 17 or 18

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:07 PM

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i can feel less social anxiety before i join publics

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now

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why the heck is usps status soo useless

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it gave me the same status "IN TRANSIT "

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like if its still in transit dont update it

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:13 PM

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also to answer your earlier question, I can't use it til January because I am traveling / moving this december and shipping delays made it only possible to have it shipped to family near where I am moving so when I visit them I will get it for christmas, and then family will keep me occupied until probably January

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:14 PM

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oh that sucks

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not the moving and stuff

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waititng

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:14 PM

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I have a rift and I hate VR so it's not that difficult haha

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 1:15 PM

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It is hard to keeo a small presence online, I have a unique name as well and my extended family is well known so i have no chance of having a small online presence, and now that i do a lot of activism, journalism, education and other stuff, I switched from minimizing my name, to controlling it and exactly how I'm seen online.

Once i start doing more biodata and neurodata related VR stuff i will really need to lock down what data websites, games, and apps get from me. Especially since i participate in scientific VR, and gaming studies.

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:15 PM

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yeah me too

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:15 PM

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gentle coral It is hard to keeo a small presence online, I have a unique name as well and my ...

Ah you see that is exactly where I am at, I have not yet determined how I need my online presence to appear so I keep it locked down until then

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:15 PM

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once i started publishing apps/games

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:16 PM

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I only want my name associated with good things and positive stuff, nothing from my youth which is why despite how stupid I was I am glad I understood that haha

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:17 PM

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lol

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:19 PM

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I hope quest 2 will make it easier for me to enjoy VR though. My problem is that whenever I think about VR I get this weird nausea behind my eyes that makes me never want to wear my headset

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This is probably a result of ignoring VR sickness when I first got my rift for way longer than I should have while playing games like Blade and Sorcery / Beat Saber/ and Gorn

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now I know how I should have trained my brain to build up it's VR tolerance but it is much more difficult now because I must also untrain my brains feelings towards VR

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@gentle coral have you any thoughts on this given your more scientific looking into VR? tips and tricks you could say lol

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:22 PM

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well shit my headphones which are white stopped making sound from the left ear

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so i cant hear anything from my left ear

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:22 PM

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oh damn

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:22 PM

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it lived wayyy more than i though

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3x my expectations

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:23 PM

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probably a cable issue I tied the cable of my old headset into a knot and got an extra 2 months out of it

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:23 PM

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mine are wireless

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and i tried wired

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Probably a wireless cable issue, I've tied the wifi bands of my old headset into a knot and got an extra 2Ghz out of it

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:23 PM

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thick nest and i tried wired

well

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and my cable is perfectly fine

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:24 PM

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I got a free bluetooth / aux headset from this company on amazon last night so I'm gonna try that with the quest 2 and hope it will be good enough

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:24 PM

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im not sure how those connect

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i've always wondered

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how do they choose a device

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does the device have to be the only On bluetooth device in range??

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:25 PM

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because I just tried headset + rift and it was an instant upgrade over any form of ear thingies like these I've used before

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it'll usually have a priority order based off the order it's been paired to things in my experience

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:26 PM

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ok

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:26 PM

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but if another device sends a connection request it will just switch to that

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unless you have a device that states otherwise

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:26 PM

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so it might suck

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just get a super short 3.5 mlm aux cable

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 1:26 PM

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pastel echo Ah you see that is exactly where I am at, I have not yet determined how I need m...

For me one thing i make sure is that i at least own my real name on any platfrom that people would think I might use (even if i don't use it). Thatq includes google, facebook, and twitter. I also search my name often to check what google pulls up on me.

And in VR, gaming, and a few other places i use nicknames that are loosly tied to the real me.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:26 PM

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That is the plan

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:27 PM

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yeah

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I do that too 🙂

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:27 PM

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i dont

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:27 PM

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I still need to secure a twitter though

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I'm still using the twitter I made in 2009 because I hate twitter

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The name has something to do with dragons being super or something

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:28 PM

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dragon ball super

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:28 PM

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I only log in to twitter to subscribe to giveaways so I really dont' know

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 1:41 PM

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pastel echo <@!217881989343215627> have you any thoughts on this given your more scientific...

There are a lot of effects of vr in terms of perception that are not all that well understood yet, but I have heard of similar issues in many VR users. It might be a conditioned response that you are having where because of you previously getting sick in vr but not leaving, your mind started to associate the feelibg with vr enough that you feel it outside of vr when you think about it. This is probably also affected by the way are brain switches its perception about things while we are in VR (enough that us can somewhat be considered in the same vein of cognitive shift that some drugs give). When you go in VR enough your mind percieves as a different true reality, and your mind and senses change to accommodate that to some degree.

A lot of what i just said has not been scientifically tested yet, as it is only this past year that doing brain imaging while people are in VR actually really got to the point that it is usable for research. But a lot if the neurotech people I work with agree with aspects of the statement above and that at least in theory, everything above is possible.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Mannn it sounds pretty accurate though because this eye nausea is pretty much what I feel right before the VR sickness hits

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It's like my brain is sending off the warning signal that I'm about to get VR sickness, which I've experienced bad enough to not leave bed the entire next day

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I guess I'll have to just keep slowly retraining my brain to like VR again

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maybe I'll eat my favorite choclate or something whenever I play VR lol

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 1:47 PM

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You might want to try recondition how you view VR so that you go into VR with a different mental state. Maybe doing things in VR that dont cause much motion sickness might help, so that you can get used to the perception while in there. Meditation, watching movies, playing slower VR games, doing art in VR.

Also making sure you are hydrated, and not hungry, as even more then regular gaming, it is hard to take breaks sometimes while in VR.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:48 PM

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I've been trying to do that with Big Screen recently

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Rift has bad resolution though so I can't read any text makes it harder

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Yep reading in vr is annoying

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:49 PM

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I'm gonna buy superhot VR when I gues the Quest 2 and I'll have a pretty busy work schedule the couple first months after I get it where I wont have a lot of time to play things

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I may use that time to rebuild my VR stamina

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I've already beat Superhot VR before promptly returning it on steam so I remember it not being too hard on the brain and it's a game I can easily quit after 5 minutes without feeling too bad

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:51 PM

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i dont know why but last time i played super hot was on the switch

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Even with the G2, text often still looks fuzzy (when it isn't scalable vector text).

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:51 PM

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i saw walkthroughs and the levels werent the same at all

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:51 PM

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Blade and Sorcery on the other hand, oh man that probably hasn't helped that whenever I get really in the mood for VR I play blade and sorcery for like 3 hours and typically get a little sick

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:51 PM

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nintendo switch's version was wayy shorter too

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I was annoyed at how short Superhot VR was. as a Quest game I kinda get it because I'll be using it to showcase VR for people who haven't used it before. but after beating it in under 30 on steam I was proper annoyed

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 1:52 PM

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I like superhot vr for the harder difficulty modes (endless, headshot only, time attack)

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Getting good scores on those modes is quite hard depending on the level.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:54 PM

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That's fair, I don't really enjoy shooters I prefer stuff with physics like Blade and Sorcery so maybe that's why I couldn't vibe with it

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also I really enjoyed Superhot the original

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:54 PM

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yeah i feel like playing with physics is really sick

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and fun

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 1:54 PM

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If they fixed the throwing mechanics in superhot vr i would enjoy it even more.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:54 PM

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my first play though of Superhot I challenged myself to never fire a gun and it wasn't until I beat the game that I learned there is a challenge mode after you beat the game where you play the campaign without being able to fire guns 😐

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:55 PM

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and one of the games im excited to try out on q2 is that hand tracking physics game

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i feel like those are really cool

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and they shouldnt be paid

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since its super easy to finish the whole thing in 2 mins

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:56 PM

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My next headset in 2021 will probably be an index and when that time comes I hope the finger tracking will be good and epic

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like in games that I enjoy

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I know it's not the same as the Quest 2 thing I just thought of it because fingers

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 1:56 PM

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at that time i think an index 2 or another major vr headset would have released hopefully

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i gtg now see ya guys later

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 1:56 PM

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Peace out

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I don't really see how the quest 2 hand tracking will be useful other than maybe in media apps

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 1:57 PM

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Hand tracking is fun, but a lot of people think it will be a lot better then it can be at this point, as without haptic gloves, most UI is downright annoying. Though hand gestures is so much fun in a few demos i have tried.

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This is a similar reason to why keyboards havent been replaced with screens on laptops, and that it tactility.

pastel echo Dec 8, 2020, 2:00 PM

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oh man I couldn't even imagine trying to type on a touch screen laptop

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maybe have a rubber or whatever material layer on top though to give the feeling of making contact with a distinct key and you'd have me convinced though

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I'd definitely lose a few dozen words per minute but have a dual screen touchscreen device may be worth it

gentle coral Dec 8, 2020, 2:08 PM

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Yep some people have doen the rubber cover idea, and it does work, but can be annoying to take off every time you want to use the second screen. An idwa that has been floating around has been to put tiny actuators behind the screen to raise it up in little bumps where the keys would be so that there is some decent variability in the touch surface.

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But when your hands are in the air, clickimg on things is much harder.

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 2:48 PM

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some give you haptic feedback

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but they still suck

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though hand tracking was added by an update for the quest 1

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so its bascially free

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i wanna see it where if you play vrc on q2 it can track your hands and use controller input

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at the same time

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that would be cool

gloomy crater Dec 8, 2020, 2:54 PM

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In my eyes, VR will never be as good with hand tracking as it is with controllers. Partially because of that tactility thing, and partially because I don't see hand tracking ever getting as reliable as I would need it to be for me to be willing to use it over controllers

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 2:55 PM

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index knuckles be like
am i a joke to you

gloomy crater Dec 8, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Like, comparing WMR tracking to base station tracking. There isn't really a way to base station track my fingies

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 2:56 PM

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well isnt that how the controllers on the quest 2 are tracked

gloomy crater Dec 8, 2020, 2:56 PM

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Oh yeah. Speaking of knuckles. I got my index lenses yesterday and the only thing that isn't tanked in resolution bc of my GPU is the SteamVR menus so the games still look bad but I can see my controllers in the 3D environment amazingly now

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 2:57 PM

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bc they get tracked by lights

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rotational tracking is a bit harder

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but they managed to get it from the help of AI

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and i feel like as more companies do hand tracking it will get even better

umbral garden Dec 8, 2020, 3:19 PM

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The hand tracking on the quest 2 sucks absolute Dick

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Well, the tracking itself isn’t terrible but there’s zero functionality for it, and the gestures are incredibly finnicky

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Also, the lack of feedback with the hand tracking on the Quest make it more of like a tech demo then anything really immersive...

carmine wharf Dec 8, 2020, 4:22 PM

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i mean how would they even provide any feedback though

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 4:27 PM

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That's the problem with hand tracking if there's nothing strapped to your hand

thick nest Dec 8, 2020, 4:30 PM

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thats not oculus's fault

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and did you guys see the videos

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the camera can track your fingers by PICTURES

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so really expecting index quality tracking isnt ideal here

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i use the hand tracking sdk and there are multiple ways to give feedback like a controller

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from gestures and such

modest heart Dec 8, 2020, 7:25 PM

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hey guys, i have had an oculus quest (1) for a few months. i recently got a job ,i am 16 btw, and i was thinking of maybe saving up for the valve index (will take some months) but what is you guys' view on that?

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 7:36 PM

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The Index is like the best VR headset you can get right now. If you do intend on playing a lot of VR in your free time, the Index is the best choice you can make

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There are headsets that beat out the Index in one point or another, but what all these headsets have in common is that they have compromises. Take the PiMax headsets for example: Way higher FOV, but they generally come with rubber straps, the included audio is way worse if included at all and the lenses cause massive distortions...

modest heart Dec 8, 2020, 7:49 PM

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yeah i plan to play a lot when i get an index since the quality is so much smoother

sullen linden Dec 8, 2020, 7:49 PM

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index is the best all around one i'd say

modest heart Dec 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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with the quest i feel like im using a cardboard vr with an 2008 android phone in it

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sometimes*

sullen linden Dec 8, 2020, 7:50 PM

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i like how the index is back compat with the vive stuff

odd pivot Dec 8, 2020, 7:54 PM

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I personally would just wait a year or two the VR market will change a ton and pcvr headsets should be way cheaper and better than the index

modest heart Dec 8, 2020, 7:58 PM

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idk what else i should do with my money (if i wont get fired cus im ass at the job)

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i could save up but i dont like to leave my money with the bank since corona is pretty much fucking everything up

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and idk what i should save up for too lol

odd pivot Dec 8, 2020, 7:59 PM

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I’m so confused at the problem here

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Put money in bank

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Done

modest heart Dec 8, 2020, 8:00 PM

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ye i know

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 8:27 PM

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Not always is saving up money worth it. Many banks now take fees for putting down large sums of money. In such a case, it is much wiser to just invest in stuff...

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I don't see a PCVR headset better then the Index rolling around anytime in the next 2 years at least. The Index Controllers will probably stay the gold standard for even longer, until either a cheap VR glove get's released (which I think is way further away then some might belive), or Valve follows up with a newer variant. The Pimax sword controllers are either on-hold indefinetly, and the Etee Controller is missing face buttons and is thus not really competition to the Index controller...

modest heart Dec 8, 2020, 8:31 PM

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thats exactly why i dont wanna save up

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especially now

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 8:32 PM

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The Reverb G2 improves on the Index in the areas that count the most for VR sceptics: price and SDE. But for VR enthusiasts, it cuts the wrong corners like the Tracking, Controllers and Refreshrate. Personally, I'd love to see more companies focusing on refreshrate, and I'm not talking about PiMax's half-assed solutions just so they can advertise "best headset" (which it really isn't)

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If you want the best VR experience for the foreseeable future, the Index is the way to go. Maybe even go with a pair of Index controllers, lighthouses and a Reverb G2 headset if you really have money to burn. But waiting for a better headset to come around is like waiting for the next GPU generation a few months after the last GPUs of the current generation have dropped...

modest heart Dec 8, 2020, 8:35 PM

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alright then i can save up for a better one ye

haughty thistle Dec 8, 2020, 8:36 PM

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What I want to say is, unless the current products are already reaching the end of their lifecycle, waiting for the next products to come only really is worth it, if you have to save up until then anyways...

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Like that "Fastest Gaming PC for now" video Linus made recently with a 10900k and 3090. It's processor might've been dethroned, but at the time of release of that CPU, the 5900X was nowhere to be seen...

sullen linden Dec 8, 2020, 10:43 PM

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I have a problem

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I have lags ca all 2 seconds but it’s not be my gpu is overworked or sth it doesn’t matter what resolution i let it render even if I put it on 800 p or 4K it’s always the same ( I am running virtual desktop over my oculus ) what is the problem?

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 3:24 AM

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modest heart alright then i can save up for a better one ye

Measure your cost per year of the device you own. If you are going to spend the money because saving with your bank options nets you a loss either because your banks are bad or aren't insured and spending the money will work better for you (at 16 it's not the end of the world to spend $1000 if you have money for college or whatever anyway). Then you should see the purchase as an investment in entertainment. If you think that the specs and capabilities of the index will last you long enough to be happy with how much you paid for each year you own it then go for it. If you think you'd only be happy for a year then wait. If you think the Index as it stands would last you 4 years then might as well get it.

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I got a Rift CV1 in January of 2019 because I felt it would last me at least 2 years netting me $200 per year and that $200 per year allowed me access to Blade and Sorcery / Gorn / Beat Saber. Which alongside free options I've spent 100 hours per year in VR (on the safe side).

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Meaning with price of games I've spent probably around $2.3 per hour of entertainment in VR

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That's cheaper than some of the AAA titles came out would have netted me, cheaper than seeing movies I might of paid for otherwise, and cheaper than other forms of entertainment such as gambling I've partaken in before as well

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If you view your big purchases in this manner it's easier to ascertain whether the cost is worth it or not

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@modest heart

thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 3:58 AM

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just realized that usps is stupid it took them 4 days just for the package to get departed

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 4:03 AM

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can the Oculus Rift S be used while wearing glasses?

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 4:04 AM

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Probably need a glasses spacer but they exist

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 4:04 AM

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glasses...spacer?

thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 4:04 AM

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yeah

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oh wait

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wasn't there a piece of plastic

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Yeah so you'd have to have a headset to make sure it works with your glasses since I don't know how big yours are BUT if yours don't fit in the Rift S you can either get prescription lenses I'm pretty sure or a 3rd party facial interface (the part that touches your face) that supports your glasses

thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 4:05 AM

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inside the box

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prescription lenses are your best choice here

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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They always will be if you can afford them

thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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they wont hurt the fov

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 4:06 AM

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do you know how much space there is between the top and bottom of the little eye holes?

thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 4:07 AM

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wdym

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 4:08 AM

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thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 4:08 AM

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ohhhhhhh

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im not sure actually

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uhh did you find anything on google

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 4:09 AM

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lemme see

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i think i should be good

thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 4:10 AM

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ok

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 4:10 AM

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it says 50mm max

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should've googled instead of opening my mouth lmfao

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 4:13 AM

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I understand that feeling but it feels so much nicer to talk to people haha

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 4:18 AM

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mhmmm

thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 4:25 AM

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yeah

haughty thistle Dec 9, 2020, 5:09 AM

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jolly geode can the Oculus Rift S be used while wearing glasses?

The Rift S has a button on the bottom to slide the headset forward and back. It's more meant to adjust the headset for different headshapes, but I used it to fit my glasses just fine. Just let there be known that if you slide out the headset a lot, that at some point it won't be properly stabilised on your face anymore meaning more light leakage as well as the headset might wobble in-front of your face (not a great experience; and I had that happen to me)

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Also: sorry for the late answer ^^"

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 6:00 AM

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awesome, thanks @haughty thistle

silver marten Dec 9, 2020, 3:43 PM

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I just got the quest 2 for christmas!!!

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Does anyone have any recomendation on accessories/games

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I plan on getting a carrying case and for games beatsaber, superhot vr, and phasmophobia

haughty thistle Dec 9, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I'd suggest getting the Elite strap. Trust me, you'll love it (well, get one once they're back available)

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Definitely wait for reports that the new elite straps aren't breaking like the old ones though lol

silver marten Dec 9, 2020, 4:02 PM

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alright

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thanks

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 4:15 PM

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silver marten thanks

Also look into Facial Interfaces namely the brand VRCover

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The foam will be fine for a couple months so no rush but after a couple months it will feel like the sweat sponge that it is

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also if you're doing link cable clips for the strap are good

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a battery bank that can be used as a counter balance (like the one that comes with the elite strap) are good too

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Uh controller grips and stuff are a good idea

silver marten Dec 9, 2020, 4:24 PM

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alright I'll look into them

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I appreciate it 🙂

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 4:26 PM

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No prob bob, other than those basic quality of life things just watch a modding video and you'll realize there are a million and one things people have come up with haha

modest heart Dec 9, 2020, 4:55 PM

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i recommend playing blade and sorcery

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or tales of escape on steam its an escape room

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and its free

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Blade and Sorcery is fucking epic

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The new 8.4 Beta made it possible to have like 20 enemies on a map on a GTX 980 of all things

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If you're going to spend the money though save it for now and wait until the 8.4 update goes officially live. The current 8.3 official runs like complete hot garbage and all the features haven't been re implemented into the 8.4 beta yet

upper delta Dec 9, 2020, 4:59 PM

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How much gpu do i need to run a vr headset?

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 4:59 PM

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What do you want to do and what headset?

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@upper delta

umbral garden Dec 9, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I just got a 1070 and will get a long boi USB cable later this week so I’m excited what I can do PC wise with my quest 2

upper delta Dec 9, 2020, 5:04 PM

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@pastel echo most beat saber and vr chat

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@pastel echo im still looking at headsets rn

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I have a friend sending me 32gb of ram currently have 16. Just bought a psu from new egg

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If that helps in any way

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Okay so like you'll need to figure out your headset but you'll probably be fine with a 1660Ti or higher

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I run those games of a GTX 980 but since you can't really get those other than used you might as well go 1660Ti or 2000 series cards

upper delta Dec 9, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Theres one guy in a nearby city selling an 8gb for $100. Is that good enough?

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I use a gt710 cause I just got a new pc that can handle a bigger one

pastel echo Dec 9, 2020, 5:19 PM

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selling which one?

upper delta Dec 9, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Hang on I'll tell you

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Radeon rx580

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 5:24 PM

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I'm gonna get a Rift S, but I need a new graphics card first lol

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my friend is selling me his for 100 bucks

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 5:25 PM

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I have a 2060 super for my rift s

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I have a 1050 ti atm but I'm planning to upgrade when I can find a 3060 ti

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The first time I tried VR it was so magical lol

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It just felt so amazing

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 5:28 PM

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My issue is I have a sff build, and the case can't fit high end gpus

jolly geode Dec 9, 2020, 5:28 PM

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o tru

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 5:28 PM

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the 2060 super mini was about the best I could get

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 7:57 PM

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lavish moon My issue is I have a sff build, and the case can't fit high end gpus

what case?

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 7:57 PM

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coolermaster elite 110

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 7:57 PM

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ok

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 7:57 PM

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it's older

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But the 2060 super mini was the biggest one I could fit in

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 8:00 PM

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ik this isnt the right chat to say this

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but i just built a computer for a friend in a fractal design core 500

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kinda old

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but it fit all the full size parts in a mini-itx case except the mobo

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 8:01 PM

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nice

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I wasn't too worried cause it's not my main rig, just for vr

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 8:01 PM

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oh nice

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Main rig is way overkill

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 8:01 PM

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he wanted a powerful lan rig that could also run blender

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since that's his only pc

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 8:02 PM

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my main is fantastic for blender

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 8:02 PM

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what is it?

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 8:02 PM

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3960x and 3090

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 8:02 PM

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nice

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im running a 2060 and 8700 (non k)

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 8:03 PM

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not bad

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 8:03 PM

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for video editing

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32gb ram

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 8:03 PM

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The vr rig is a 2700x and a 2060 super

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 8:03 PM

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anyways

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Wife's is currently a 5800x 64gb and a 1080ti, moving to a 3080 tho

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 8:03 PM

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nice

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what vr headset do i get?

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rift s or quest 2?

lavish moon Dec 9, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I have a rift s

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had the cv1 but moved to the rift s

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quest 2 seems nice tho

unique thistle Dec 9, 2020, 8:05 PM

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quest 2

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got it

thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 8:05 PM

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nice rig

balmy adder Dec 9, 2020, 9:22 PM

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I think I broke my pc by playing beat saber

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cpuid hwmontior doesn't work at all and my pc is stuck on getting windows ready after trying to restart

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😔

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nvm turns out my usb to sata cable is shit and decides to freeze my pc when it feels like it

umbral garden Dec 9, 2020, 10:30 PM

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Your WHAT now cable

thick nest Dec 9, 2020, 10:48 PM

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NANI

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WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT

acoustic gate Dec 9, 2020, 11:32 PM

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my man

zinc timber Dec 10, 2020, 1:43 AM

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why the fuck does sata to usb cable exist

stiff lantern Dec 10, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Anyone know why I would get a constant "Your PC does not meet the new requirements" window for my Oculus Link? I have a 3060ti and i9-9900k so I have no clue why this would be the case.

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 2:32 AM

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it might be because the 3060 ti is a new card

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do you have drivers for it

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https://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/Windows/460.79/460.79-desktop-win10-64bit-international-dch-whql.exe&lang=us&type=TITAN

Download NVIDIA, GeForce, Quadro, and Tesla Drivers

Download drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards, video cards, GPU accelerators, and for other GeForce, Quadro, and Tesla hardware. US / English download.

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@stiff lantern download the file in the link

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i think the problem is probably your graphics card not having up to date drivers

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so oculus doesnt understand which gpu your using

gentle coral Dec 10, 2020, 4:24 AM

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Both oculus and the graphics cards currently coming out are having driver updates released very often, make sure both oculus and your graphics drivers are up to date.

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USB to sata is a very common cable for anyone who has ever swapped hard drives or ssd's in a laptop. Our uses an external 3.5 inch hard drive hot swap system. USB to nvme is also common for the same reason.

Any external hard drives or SSD's use that conversion somewhere in their system.

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 4:29 AM

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damn

gentle coral Dec 10, 2020, 4:30 AM

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I would never recommend running anything too intensive off of a external SSD or hard drive, but using a high end external ssd for a game library if you travel a lot or have multiple gaming computers is a great idea.

harsh gale Dec 10, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Is the 3080 able to do VR?

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 5:36 AM

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yeah lol

harsh gale Dec 10, 2020, 5:36 AM

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Dope

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 5:37 AM

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a 3080 can do vr easily

harsh gale Dec 10, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Is FPS a thing in VR? Or is it called something different

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 5:37 AM

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yeah it is

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same name

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whats your headset

harsh gale Dec 10, 2020, 5:37 AM

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What frames do you usually need for it to be smooth?

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I don’t have a headset yet

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 5:37 AM

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depending on what headet you'll choose

harsh gale Dec 10, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Just looking on what to get

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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what headset are you thinking of buying

harsh gale Dec 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Idk that’s why I came here lol

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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well whats your budget

harsh gale Dec 10, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Uhm 500 for like the headset controllers and cameras

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Is that enough?

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 5:39 AM

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quest 2 would be the good headset for the budget

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and connecting it through link to work as a pcvr headset

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right now its better than the rift s in pcvr

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and it can do standalone vr

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for the quest 2 you need fps over 120

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the 3080 can do that very easily

haughty thistle Dec 10, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Well... FPS are a thing in VR, but the more important measure is Frametimes, which is not the same. You want a consistent Frametime for the experience to be good

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 7:26 AM

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well he wont have trash frame times if he is gonna be running on a 3080 system

harsh niche Dec 10, 2020, 8:03 AM

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thick nest for the quest 2 you need fps over 120

wat why

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just buffer room?

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headroom? can’t remember the term lol

haughty thistle Dec 10, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Headroom is the term

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The Quest 2 is very CPU heavy due to the compression that needs to happen. If you have a budget gaming Rig, I'd advise against the Q2, and would suggest to go for an older WMR headset as they're way easier to run (even if you have to grab the used)

pastel echo Dec 10, 2020, 8:37 AM

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gentle coral I would never recommend running anything too intensive off of a external SSD or...

my entire game library has been running off an external hard drive via a eSATA / USB-3 hybrid enclosure

gentle coral Dec 10, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Just played a few hours of cyberpunk 2077 and I really wish it had a vr mode.

But it is very hard to run, and would never be playable in VR without a 3080, RX 6900XT, or 3090. My overclocked 1070 maxQ gets 45 fps at low settings in everything.

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I can actually turn up settings quite a bit without it going to much lower, but I really would like 60fps consistently.

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But the game is almost made for VR in terms of its design.

thick nest Dec 10, 2020, 11:47 AM

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harsh niche wat why

yeah basically and for the future

gentle coral Dec 10, 2020, 12:27 PM

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Just was looking into the Nvidia VRworks to see if there have been any decent updates, but they haven't uploaded any of the GTC 2020 talks yet. But I found a good one from 2019 that shows how with a combination of NVlink SLI, and quadro sync II cards you could scale up to 4 cards very well. And with the power behind stuff like the Quadro A40, I think it might be possible to run some of the crazier headsets coming out. I just need to check if I can get it to work ontop of steamvr. I am guessing I will only get it working in my own games and experiences, but maybe I can make a pre-configured unity project for people who want to try adding those features. Though I don't know how much longer VR SLI will be a thing, and if regular quadro sync would be a good replacement. Also with foveated rendering I am not sure how nessasary it will be.

Though considering my goal by 2025 is at least 4k per eye at 200hz with full Raytracing and HDR, in a game that looks as good as cyberpunk 2077 does, I am guessing that I will need everything available.

gilded tundra Dec 10, 2020, 1:06 PM

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No clue as to why its happening.just upgraded from a 1660 to a 3060 ti, and now steam vr says it cannot detect the headset. I just updated the drivers as well

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Any idea why?

gilded tundra Dec 10, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Fixed it

umbral garden Dec 10, 2020, 2:49 PM

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...And what did you do?

gilded tundra Dec 10, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Figured out that its finicky to restarts even after switching to a different port, so I had to uninstall all the USB related software on my computer, shut it down, plug the headset into an appropriate port without extensions (my card only has a single hdmi port, and I have an HTC Vive so it uses hdmi although it wasnt as finicky using my 1660 which allowed me to be able to use the headset through the extension) unplugged the USB connector, turned it on, boot and plugged the USB back in to reinstall software, then run steam vr @umbral garden

sly falcon Dec 10, 2020, 3:17 PM

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harsh gale What frames do you usually need for it to be smooth?

72 minimum, 90 perfered

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a 3080 can easily do 90 unless ur playing vrc

gloomy crater Dec 10, 2020, 6:07 PM

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I've finally got my lenses, which means my games look better because they aren't as blurry, but they still look horrible because my GPU can only do so much. Right now I'm running at 80hz with 70% render resolution, but once I get my new GPU I plan on going for a better visual experience. What I'm wondering is: are the refresh rate and render resolution the only things I can change with regards to the visuals of the games I play?

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I ask because back when I was using a quest, there was tons of stuff to change in the diagnostic tool that I'm not sure If I have to worry about for index

pastel echo Dec 10, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Can anyone who plays VRchat tell me what it actually is? I thought it was just chat rooms but I saw people playing VR Among Us in VRchat. Does it have minigames in it too?

haughty thistle Dec 10, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Well... Almost all content you see in VRC is usergenerated

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Since you can do some pretty advanced scripting in worlds, ofc there are game worlds

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The main performance hogger in VRC I found out actually are Dynamic bones. So an easy performance fix is to turn on the dynamic bone limiter, or even adjusting that. It will mean avatars don't look as dynamic, but at least well optimised worlds will continue to be performant, even with loads of people in the world

gloomy crater Dec 10, 2020, 6:29 PM

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With my current graphics card, most avatars in vrchat refuse to load at all

haughty thistle Dec 10, 2020, 6:30 PM

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big oof

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But that might be more of a download restriction...

gloomy crater Dec 10, 2020, 6:31 PM

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So I guess to reiterate my previous question in a more concise method: If I wanna get the best visual experience out of my index, do I have to worry about anything other than render resolution scale and refresh rate, like what I had to do with the quest?

haughty thistle Dec 10, 2020, 6:33 PM

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One thing not many people talk about is, that if you have the headset setup wrong (not sitting on your face properly), you might get a sub-par experience

gloomy crater Dec 10, 2020, 6:34 PM

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yeah, I had to explain that to my sister when she got her quest 2. She didn't take the time to dial in her IPD, and she didn't adjust the top strap at all, so the headset was hanging halfway down her face. With the index, I find it sits on my head and face much more comfortably than my quest 1 did.

haughty thistle Dec 10, 2020, 6:36 PM

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My recommendation on how to set it up the easiest way:

pull the top strap to be set as wide as possible
pull the back strap over the back of your head so that it sits slightly tighter then perfectly comfortable, not too tight, but also not loose either
pull the top strap to be as tight as possible (it should carry the majority of the weight)
open the back strap one or too notches to ensure perfect comfort, as well as proper sit

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One thing I for example did wrong, is I had the headstrap (the one that cups the back of my head) as tightly as possible (basically pressing the face foam to be as squeezed as possible). It not only wasn't as comfortable, but I also noticed later that there were more godrays and internal reflections noticeable with the headstrap setup in the wrong way

harsh niche Dec 10, 2020, 9:47 PM

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actually a good question about the visual settings

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in the oculus debug tool you can change a ton of things, one of the ones I like is the distortion curvature

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when reading thing I don't like having to move my head constantly, but I have to because if I move my eyes too far out of the center then it gets blurry, and changing that setting helps

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idk how to change it in steamvr though, maybe there's a tool somewhere or the OVR addon thing can do it

upper delta Dec 10, 2020, 10:59 PM

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Is the htc Cosmo any good?

gloomy crater Dec 10, 2020, 11:17 PM

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harsh niche in the oculus debug tool you can change a ton of things, one of the ones I like ...

yeah, that's one of the things I was wondering about. On oculus, there was pixels per display override, which is equivalent to the render resolution scale in steamVR, but the distortion curvature was a nice thing to be able to change and idk if I can do it in steamvr

gloomy crater Dec 10, 2020, 11:18 PM

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upper delta Is the htc Cosmo any good?

the vive cosmos is overpriced but it's the only headset that you can do wireless PCVR quality gameplay with. If you're going value oriented, or just straight up aren't planning on dropping the $300 on the wireless module, you'd be better off with a regular old vive

upper delta Dec 11, 2020, 12:48 AM

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That fair

kindred parcel Dec 11, 2020, 2:47 AM

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gloomy crater I've finally got my lenses, which means my games look better because they aren't...

Got lenses, like prescription lenses??

gloomy crater Dec 11, 2020, 3:36 AM

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yes. prescription lenses from VR Optician for my index

kindred parcel Dec 11, 2020, 4:02 AM

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How are they?

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I’m wondering if I should get some from VR optician or the other site.. widmovr

gentle coral Dec 11, 2020, 4:03 AM

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gloomy crater the vive cosmos is overpriced but it's the only headset that you can do wireless...

The vive pro and vive pro eye can also use the wireless adapter, and the vive pro is more comfortable in my opinion even though the Vive Cosmos is slightly higher resolution. Also you want to get the vive cosmos elite as the inside out tracking of the original vive cosmos is pretty bad. Also the vive pro and vive pro eye use the steamvr 2.0 lighthouses, while the vive cosmos elite comes with the 1.0 lighthouses, but supports the 2.0 lighthouses

kindred parcel Dec 11, 2020, 4:03 AM

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I played with my Rift S and glasses, yet somehow scratched the lens even though it was in the farthest back position.

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And somehow they still RMA’d it.

gloomy crater Dec 11, 2020, 4:16 AM

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kindred parcel I’m wondering if I should get some from VR optician or the other site.. widmovr

widmo apparently seats their lenses the wrong way around, which creates distortion. VRO makes high quality adapters, but they're in germany so they take a long time to ship and are very expensive. Mine were almost $100 and took three weeks to get here

kindred parcel Dec 11, 2020, 4:22 AM

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gloomy crater widmo apparently seats their lenses the wrong way around, which creates distorti...

Oh, I did not know that.

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I heard people say the Widmo fit better than the VRO, but nothing about distortion.

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I may have to try the VRO then. I’m going to try playing without glasses for a bit, but my eyes might be just barely bad enough to warrant getting the lenses.

haughty thistle Dec 11, 2020, 5:11 AM

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gloomy crater widmo apparently seats their lenses the wrong way around, which creates distorti...

That wasn't Widmo. VR Lens Labs puts the lenses the wrong way around. Widmo just uses very cheap lenses and lens inserts.

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Widmo is just plainly using cheap stuff to make expensive stuff. In my experience, I got a lower FOV on Widmo lens inserts then with the VRO lenses on my Index. Besides that, VRO just plainly uses higher quality lenses and inserts. I'd highly recommend them over any other lens insert company

haughty thistle Dec 11, 2020, 5:16 AM

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harsh niche idk how to change it in steamvr though, maybe there's a tool somewhere or the OV...

SteamVR doesn't have an equivalent to the Distortion curvature. It's afaik a Quest Link only feature, where parts of the image are encoded in a lower res then other parts of the screen. That's that blurriness that you are experiencing. Adjusting that in the Oculus Debug Tool, will affect all applications you're running through your Quest (unless Facebook is a d* and changed it so that it only affects Oculus Store games now)

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Basically, if you had any other headset, like the Vive or an Index, you won't have that problem. That's also why SteamVR doesn't have an adjustment for that

harsh niche Dec 11, 2020, 5:36 AM

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really? only oculus headsets do that? I thought they all did to get more frames or something

kindred parcel Dec 11, 2020, 5:54 AM

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haughty thistle Widmo is just plainly using cheap stuff to make expensive stuff. In my experienc...

This is good to know, thank you. I’ll be getting my lenses from VRO then.

haughty thistle Dec 11, 2020, 6:31 AM

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harsh niche really? only oculus headsets do that? I thought they all did to get more frames ...

Well, afaik just Quest Headsets even. I don't have the same edge blurriness on my CV1, as I have on my Quest. So I'd guess it's a Quest Link thing

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Besides that, SteamVR and WMR use a different technique to improve frames: by simply not rendering to parts of the screen that aren't visible. I honestly don't know why Facebook isn't doing this, but it is how it is I guess...

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The rendering mask technique of WMR and SteamVR require the system to know what parts are visible through the lens and which aren't. Since Oculus doesn't have these masks, it renders to the whole screen on these headsets

candid lance Dec 11, 2020, 1:29 PM

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any idea why i would be dropping frames often,

Oculus Rift S

i7-10700kf
RTX 2070 8gb
32gb DDR4 2666 corsair
1tb Crucial m.2 for my games.

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its kinda random, when it does happen it lasts for maybe a minute or so

haughty thistle Dec 11, 2020, 1:51 PM

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My guess would be Oculus or the Nvidia Driver (there recently had been a version that caused some dropped frames in SteamVR)

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Maybe try updating your driver and see if that helos

thick nest Dec 11, 2020, 2:55 PM

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bruh usps is trolling me

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my package just returned to the status departed from Chicago after it said arrived at facility

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package loop

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so 1 week after they had the package ready for shipment

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and they still cant just get it here

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3 days on a plane!!

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and now 4 days

haughty thistle Dec 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Big oof

thick nest Dec 11, 2020, 3:11 PM

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yeah im gonna be pissed when i call their support

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they probably just kept it thinking i dont check status

harsh niche Dec 11, 2020, 10:29 PM

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rift s on sale on amazon for $300 wow

pastel echo Dec 11, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Damn

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I got a quest 2 coming in but that's a tempting offer

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I'm not even entirely joking because the RIFT S offers a good experience for driving sims

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I have no idea what to do with my Rift now that I'm going to have a Quest 2 and it's not going ot be supported

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Should I just sell it while I still can?

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I still have the entire original kit, box, and everything is in undamaged condition

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oh and a 3rd sensor

candid lance Dec 11, 2020, 11:07 PM

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haughty thistle My guess would be Oculus or the Nvidia Driver (there recently had been a version...

tried drivers still the same, Kinda strange

pastel echo Dec 12, 2020, 2:29 AM

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Use your real name

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Make the account before you get the headset

full wharf Dec 12, 2020, 6:14 AM

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your facebook account

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You need to keep your Facebook account, that is what your Quest 2 is tied to.

pale orbit Dec 12, 2020, 6:44 AM

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gentle coral Dec 12, 2020, 8:07 AM

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That took less time then I thought, though I also haven't tried VorpX in years. I would have expected a custom independent mod. Though I am guessing you would absolutely need a 3090 to play cyberpunk 2077 native refresh rate and resolution with a valve index or Reverb G2

pastel echo Dec 12, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Oh god I don't even want to imagine the god awful headache I would get from attempting both VorpX and Cyberpunk at the same time

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Good video idea

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bad normal idea

sullen linden Dec 12, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Still deciding between a pimax Vision 8K plus or a vive pro. What do you guys think?

haughty thistle Dec 12, 2020, 2:26 PM

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The Vive Pro has better built-in audio, doesn't have noticeable lens distortion, does have OLED screens, is easier to run and actually renders at native resolution. Plus the Vive Pro has support for the Vive Wireless adapter, and is one of the few remaining selling points for the Vive Pro
The PiMax headset on the other hand has less noticable SDE, a bigger FOV (although at the cost of heavy lens distortion) and has an experimental 110Hz mode (although that probably will reduce the FOV to something similar as the Vive Pro)

All things considered, I'd go for the Vive Pro, just because of the fact that it doesn't have lens distortions like pretty much all PiMax headsets have, and the fact that HTC at least has native speaking support (unlike PiMax with their all-Chinese support)

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Remember that the PiMax 8k and 8k Plus both render at 1440p and then upscale to 4k. To get the headset render at native resolution, you'd have to get the 8k X

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And lastly: if you're thinking about the Vive Pro, the Index is not far off. Pretty similar price, but pretty much better in all regards (even better audio, 144Hz support, lower SDE at same render resolution, higher FOV and similarly if not better comfort)

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Trust me, the wait for the Index over the Vive Pro is worth it, just because of the Controllers alone

pastel echo Dec 12, 2020, 3:40 PM

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You can factory reset it

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@bronze lichen

vapid depot Dec 12, 2020, 6:09 PM

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yes

sullen linden Dec 12, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Basically rule one of the quest/quest 2 is don't do anything that might result in big brother nuking your account off the planet

harsh niche Dec 12, 2020, 8:10 PM

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just don't have 2 accounts

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simple

carmine wharf Dec 12, 2020, 10:30 PM

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the rule of the quest 2 facebook account: only use an account you actually use

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if you just make an account for the quest 2, and dont use facebook or instagram ever

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they will prob ban you

carmine wharf Dec 12, 2020, 11:08 PM

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its likely they would ban you as you arent making them ad revenue

harsh niche Dec 12, 2020, 11:21 PM

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@carmine wharf not true

carmine wharf Dec 12, 2020, 11:22 PM

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very true

harsh niche Dec 12, 2020, 11:22 PM

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you have 0 evidence, i made my first account just for the quest and haven't used it for anything else and nothing has happened

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they only ban multiple accounts

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so what if you don't use it? and it's not like people are getting banned left and right

carmine wharf Dec 12, 2020, 11:23 PM

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people ARE getting banned left and right

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good on you for not getting banned

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but it is happening

harsh niche Dec 12, 2020, 11:31 PM

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someone the other day said "index's break very easily" and then someone else said "just because something bad happened to a few people and it was made public makes it look like it happens all the time" and I said "just like the quest, people aren't getting banned as much as people and the media make it look like"

haughty thistle Dec 13, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Here's the thing tho: Index's breaking were a massive issue, but aren't anymore.
Quest 2 owners getting banned for not using their Facebook accounts is also getting massively reported, even till this day

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Really, with pretty much all issues that remain on the Index, if you know how to avoide them, you'll pretty much never run into them. And even if you do, Steam Support is happy to help out.
With Oculus/Facebook however, some issues just are out of your hand, and both Facebook and Oculus Support are not very helpful.
I've read of someone who was flatout denied re-access to his account because of supposed Facebook TOS violation. Facebook just repeated the same statement while Oculus Support didn't even respond

harsh niche Dec 13, 2020, 1:01 AM

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my point is, just because 1000 people on the internet said it happened to them doesn’t mean it’s a huge chance

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people who’s things work great and nothing wrong happens don’t say anything most of the time

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but that’s how news and media works, a lot of the time people only hear about the bad things

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probably a 1 out of 10,000 chance of getting banned

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and recently I haven’t heard a lot about it anyways so it’s probably handled for the most part

gloomy crater Dec 13, 2020, 1:17 AM

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My alt facebook account is still active. bc every time I log in they get ad revenue. Still waiting on the day it will be deleted. It will happen eventually. But something I've noticed is that I know four people who have bought quest 2's. One of them has had a facebook account for years, and is still using their headset with their original facebook account to this day. The other three people made a facebook account specifically to play the quest 2, but all three had to return their headsets because their facebook accounts were banned within hours of making them.

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I asked this question in the beat saber discord and got no response, but by any chance, has anyone else here had trouble with note and wall spawn animations not working correctly when playing wall art maps in multiplayer beat saber?

gentle coral Dec 13, 2020, 9:53 AM

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On day one it would have been closer to 1 out of 100, considering the number of headsets that were activated on day one vs the number of bans. And now after more the a month it should be way less the 1 in 10,000 but no matter how rare it is, the problem is that it happens at all with no resource available. If you buy perfectly working hardware and attach an oculus account that has 500 dollars in games on it, and it gets banned, you will now have a bricked headset, and loose 500 dollars in games. And the recourse is to give facebook your real ID, and then you might have a chance of getting it back. But if that doesn't work, then there is no other way to get your account reinstated.

The Quest 2 is almost the perfect consumer headset, but has a few stupid flaws that make it a headset i can only barely recommend to people.

thick nest Dec 13, 2020, 1:26 PM

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i have to agree on that

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well there was never the perfect device

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if you think about it

pastel echo Dec 13, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Mine is gift

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if I get banned I am at a net zero

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I just hope my facebook account still alive if so

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it's been linked to Oculus for like 8-10 months though so as long as they don't do a special "this mf just activated his quest" check I feel I'll be fine

thick nest Dec 13, 2020, 4:13 PM

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lol

gloomy crater Dec 13, 2020, 5:05 PM

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I gotta give them props for making the Rift S $300 now. So now you can have the quest 2 for people who want that standalone experience and higher visual detail, or you can have a superior PCVR experience with the rift S for the same price if you're willing to sacrifice the pixel density. I know I'd prefer the Rift S to the Quest 2 just because I like Rift S controllers way better

haughty thistle Dec 13, 2020, 5:11 PM

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With the Quest 2 there also seems to be lens issues. Not very widespread, but considering that this one guy had 3 bad picks 😬
I don't wanna know how many people think that a small sweet spot and heavy godrays are normal for that headset...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOpFwpbSxSg

YouTube

Virtually Real

Oculus quest 2 faulty lenses, my 3rd headset still bad, multiple re...

so my oculus pre-ordered headset is extremely blurry, has terrible god rays and is causing eye strain (ipd 63, setting 2 not that it matters)

I decided to buy another headset as oculus support have took weeks and they still haven't accepted it back.

my new headset was immediately bad, same story, very blurry, small sweetspot, god rays.

I then...

▶ Play video

young marten Dec 13, 2020, 5:15 PM

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PepeYikes

haughty thistle Dec 13, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Remember, things like these can happen. On the Index an early production defect was that some speakers started rattling after a few weeks of usage. It's fine usually, as you can just message the manufacturer and get a replacement. The problem occurs if the manufacturer is unwilling to replace things. Like this dude had to go out and buy a new one, as Oculus took forever (if not refused) to replace his first headset...

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And ofc, having the same issue on multiple units is frustrating...

young marten Dec 13, 2020, 5:22 PM

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At least it’s more understood as a product defect when people talk about it more.

pastel echo Dec 13, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Fellas am I stupid for selling my Near new condition Oculus Rift, 3rd sensor, and fake leather face plate for $260 so this 10 year old can get it for christmas? someone made the offer to me (only mentioned the kid after I specifically asked)

haughty thistle Dec 13, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Hmm... I got my nearly new condition CV1 (with just 2 sensors) for 270€, and a second, not so new condition one for 220€. Depends on the market price in your region I guess...

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But realistically speaking, both weren't stellar deals. For the first one I was originally going for 250€, but I didn't wanted to just have scheduled an in-person meeting during Corona and then end up leaving empty-handed, and the second one, it looked much nicer on the pics. You can always get ripped off even when the seller is genuine, I guess...

pastel echo Dec 13, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Hmmmm

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I am the seller

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it sounds like I am offering them a decent deal

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I didn't wanna goon myself and ask too little but I also don't wanna rip someone off and charge too much

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if I'm being honest I was gonna give the Rift to my girlfriend but I'd rather take the money and get her a Rift-S so her cat doesn't knock over the sensors or something

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Mannnn I just hope this kid enjoys the rift before it's not supported anymore

haughty thistle Dec 13, 2020, 6:19 PM

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I'd personally say 270-300 is a good price for a good in shape 3 sensor CV1 setup, while 250-200 is a good price range for good in shape 2 sensor setups

vapid depot Dec 13, 2020, 6:28 PM

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haughty thistle And ofc, having the same issue on multiple units is frustrating...

they took the same unit, replaced the box and sent it back wesmart

thick nest Dec 13, 2020, 7:42 PM

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lol

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big brain time

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bruh now im getting afraid of my quest 2 coming with a defect

jovial pine Dec 14, 2020, 1:04 AM

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imagine existing

carmine wharf Dec 14, 2020, 1:16 AM

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theres also the issue of somebody having an issue with a vr headset and not knowing its an issue

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if its bad enough they'll start thinking vr is bad, not their headset

signal snow Dec 14, 2020, 1:46 AM

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what are the technical differences between the Quest 2 and Rift S

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i was originally gonna buy a quest 2 but the rift s is also 300 dollars on amazon so now im in the dilemma of 'which one'

knotty acorn Dec 14, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I'

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I'm going to buy the Quest 2

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My friend that owns one said its good

regal breach Dec 14, 2020, 4:10 AM

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I had massive issues getting it working and installed to start out, but now that I've got the issues resolved it's been great.

carmine wharf Dec 14, 2020, 4:54 AM

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signal snow what are the technical differences between the Quest 2 and Rift S

quest 2 is 90hz and higher res, rift s is 80hz and same res as original quest. both use lcd screens im pretty sure, and both have similar tracking

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rift s is made for pc, so it has slightly better performance because it doesnt have to compress the video

signal snow Dec 14, 2020, 5:20 AM

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hm

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does the resolution and rr really make a big enough difference to sacrifice PC performance?

carmine wharf Dec 14, 2020, 5:26 AM

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well

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are you gonna use a vr headset only for pcvr?

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im not sure if oculus link even runs at full resolution on the quest 2

signal snow Dec 14, 2020, 6:22 AM

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yea probably

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if i get the quest i might take it to my friends house once a few months

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but otherwise

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yea

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mostly pcvr

carmine wharf Dec 14, 2020, 6:25 AM

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idk

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 6:41 AM

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signal snow does the resolution and rr really make a big enough difference to sacrifice PC p...

yes

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used to own a rift s and it would make my eyes watery if I used it for more than 30 minutes because of the screen

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and the not physical ipd adjustment, the quest has physical but it's only 3 settings

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I am luckily right on the 2nd setting, 63mm, as i have an ipd of 63.5

haughty thistle Dec 14, 2020, 6:57 AM

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If you're right in the middle of 2 IPD settings on the Q2 tho, you might want to consider a different headset with proper IPD adjustment, as the "between settings" Trick on the Q2 isn't officially supported and comes with it's own issues

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It's true that the Rift S doesn't have any sorts of physical IPD adjustment. If you're eyes don't line up with that, virtually any headset with physical IPD adjustment is better. But I've found that, given the Rift S being set up correctly, that the Rift S is a much better PCVR experience then any Quest Headset ever hopes to be

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 8:15 AM

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link for me is just a trash experience, virtual desktop is so much better

signal snow Dec 14, 2020, 8:21 AM

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whats virtual desktop

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i keep hearing about it in videos but no one actually describes what it is

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 8:28 AM

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it streams your pc to your quest wirelessly

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if you install a patch on the headset you can play from games instead of just the desktop

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for some people the latency is noticeable but I can’t see it at all, normally I run at 35 ish ms

signal snow Dec 14, 2020, 8:31 AM

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it uses wifi, yes?

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if so, does it make its own wifi connection or does it use another wifi connection?

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 8:33 AM

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your quest needs to be connected to the same network as your pc

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better if your pc is wired to a router or extender for better latency

sweet halo Dec 14, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Reposting this ^^^^^^

odd pivot Dec 14, 2020, 4:42 PM

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link for me is just a trash experience, virtual desktop is so much better
@harsh niche what’s your pc like?

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It’s great for me, with a good pc. Oculus auto adjusts tons of settings based on your pc specs.

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If your on nvidea turn on vrss

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 4:44 PM

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8700k, rtx 2070

odd pivot Dec 14, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Damn

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That’s odd then

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 4:44 PM

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it runs fine it just looks bad

odd pivot Dec 14, 2020, 4:44 PM

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I’m running a 2060 super

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 4:44 PM

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really blurry compared to vd

odd pivot Dec 14, 2020, 4:44 PM

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And it looks great

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Turn up res manually

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And adjust some stuff in the debug tool

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I also don't like the home area

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wish I could replace it

odd pivot Dec 14, 2020, 4:45 PM

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There are video online on how to make it not blurry

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wish I could replace it
@harsh niche you can?

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You can completely change the home

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 4:45 PM

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hm

odd pivot Dec 14, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I’m pretty sure I did it before

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Look it up

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 4:46 PM

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I mean that and the ui

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I hate the bar too where you click on things it just looks old compared to the new one

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and vd is wireless so

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oh well

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I think I can use the link cable for games that need me sitting down at my desk like flight simulator or driving games

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then when I need to spin around n stuff use vd

odd pivot Dec 14, 2020, 5:44 PM

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For sure

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I play Gorn with vd, the link just can’t compete in that game.

pastel echo Dec 14, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Is link really that bad? on Quest 2?

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damn 😔

haughty thistle Dec 14, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Everyone has different experiences with the two. For me for example, Quest Link is just about usable, but VD just has too much latency to be really useful for me

pastel echo Dec 14, 2020, 6:23 PM

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My internet is going to be mobile hotspot provided for quite a while so no internet and router to work off of

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I'm not even sure if VD will be possible with that configuration

haughty thistle Dec 14, 2020, 6:24 PM

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VD doesn't need an internet connection. Your PC just has to be on the same Network as your Quest

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But I'm not 100% sure on that as it could very well be a similar setup as with WebRTC, where the communication is direct, but there's a third system as the sort of "Discovery Service" involved, that just allows the two devices to find each other. But it could also just be using Broadcasts in the local network.
The latter works without internet, the first requires internet to start up, but then works without Internet too

harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 6:30 PM

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hotspots don't work that well idk why

pastel echo Dec 14, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Mannnn this aint it chief

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Hotspots also destroy mobile battery

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imma just cry and try to enjoy single player games for a few months I guess

gentle coral Dec 14, 2020, 8:30 PM

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You can use a wifi router without internet to create a local area network

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As long as the Quest or Quest 2 has been set up, you can use your computer and Quest to do virtual desktop

wise haven Dec 14, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Any recommendations?

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harsh niche Dec 14, 2020, 9:44 PM

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for what...?

cursive fog Dec 14, 2020, 10:09 PM

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wise haven Any recommendations?

I'd say to use it

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oh wait.. Are you missing a controller??

wise haven Dec 14, 2020, 10:13 PM

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No 😂 @cursive fog

cursive fog Dec 14, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Oh good xD

wise haven Dec 14, 2020, 10:13 PM

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Just some setting up tips is all I need XD I would have been really pissed considering how much I spent on it 🤣🤣🤣

cursive fog Dec 14, 2020, 10:16 PM

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Wooden floors can be reflective too, remember that, oh and plus windows. I installed mine in the ceiling, not in the wall

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And when setting up the boundaries try the advance setup option. It gave me a tiny bit more play area and let me frame out pathways away from the playarea so I really knew where I was facing

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Oh and be careful with the cable, lots of connectors. Try to avoid tipping the headset when putting it on as it strains the connector in that end

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And that's free tech tips

wise haven Dec 14, 2020, 10:26 PM

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Thanks Lisa 😁

gloomy crater Dec 14, 2020, 11:00 PM

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I tried to order my quest 1 from oculus and it gave me a two month delivery estimate. Waited a week, it appeared on amazon, cancelled the oculus order and ordered it on amazon, it arrived a week later. So if you can find it on another retailer before the oculus order gets filled, there's a good chance it will arrive sooner since they fill orders from retailers before they fill orders from their site.

gentle coral Dec 14, 2020, 11:36 PM

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@wise haven if games
Half life alyx (should be free with headset)
Beat saber
Superhot VR
Raw data
Tiltbrush
If you like star wars, any star wars VR game
All of the Google Spotlight stories (free)
Pavlov
If you like space sim (elite dangerous, and no man sky)

If accessories
Vrcover extra faceplate and facial interface

Also I agree with @cursive fog

Also some windows an mirrors are bad as it reflects the signal and confuses the system.

wise haven Dec 14, 2020, 11:37 PM

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@gentle coral yea I was working on a system to cover a mirror and it works 😆 until I set it up now 😂

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And also I have a lot of games already one sec lol

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Don’t worry 😂

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Boneworks ima buy aswell as another I forget the name 😂

pastel echo Dec 15, 2020, 12:33 AM

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gentle coral You can use a wifi router without internet to create a local area network

This I did not know, I might do that, connect it to ethernet, and then connect to phone hotspot via WiFi

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 2:01 AM

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I’m getting my Rift S back tomorrow from RMA

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Can’t wait to play Pavlov, got it on sale

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Alyx is pretty good too

signal snow Dec 15, 2020, 2:04 AM

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made my decision

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not sure if it was the right one.

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if i really am bothered by the 10 less refresh rate and lower res

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i'll just refund and get a quest 2 instead

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 2:11 AM

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I mean

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I like my Rift S

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You won’t really notice a difference unless you use them side by side.

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Honestly I’d say get whichever one you want to. If you’re mostly doing PC, Rift S seems like a good choice, I’ve seen some people say the ergos on the S controllers are better than Quest 2

signal snow Dec 15, 2020, 2:13 AM

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one thing i was thinking about was the space to move around

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my pc is in my room, and i dont have much walking space in my room.

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i have maybe 5x4 feet

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so with the quest i could just take it to a warehouse or somethin and just go all out

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idk we will see

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Fair enough, but I believe the Quest 2 runs at 72Hz when in wireless standalone mode? To save battery

signal snow Dec 15, 2020, 2:21 AM

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i heard there was a way to override that

harsh niche Dec 15, 2020, 2:42 AM

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kindred parcel Fair enough, but I believe the Quest 2 runs at 72Hz when in wireless standalone ...

nope

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still the full 90hz which is pretty swag

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Wait really??

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I had no idea.

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I wonder how bad that is on battery then

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I just thought it ran at it like that because it has a 72Hz mode in the specs

regal breach Dec 15, 2020, 4:25 AM

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oh is there a patch out to put the q2 in 90hz mode now?

thick nest Dec 15, 2020, 5:01 AM

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kindred parcel I wonder how bad that is on battery then

not really if it has 2-3 hours on games use then virtual desktop would be an easy task

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so im guessing over 3 hours

harsh niche Dec 15, 2020, 5:16 AM

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regal breach oh is there a patch out to put the q2 in 90hz mode now?

Since November

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they did a phased rollout though, luckily I was one of the first people to get it and it worked fine

regal breach Dec 15, 2020, 5:16 AM

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Do I need to update the firmware, etc...?

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I dont think I've played BeatSaber for a few weeks now.

harsh niche Dec 15, 2020, 5:17 AM

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I don’t know, just check for updates and if it’s at v23 then you have it

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mine said v27 or some reason but maybe I’m in a beta or I was just looking at the wrong thing lol

regal breach Dec 15, 2020, 5:17 AM

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yay

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harsh niche Dec 15, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Cool

regal breach Dec 15, 2020, 5:18 AM

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will do it later.

thick nest Dec 15, 2020, 5:54 AM

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guys usps finally gave me updates

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it says in transit after saying departed

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probably closer than the last week and a half

dry dove Dec 15, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Has Oculus said anything about the Elite Straps?

leaden ruin Dec 15, 2020, 1:58 PM

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kindred parcel I like my Rift S

bought it for my birthday even tho the quest 2 was cheaper, i heard the tracking on quest 2 with link can get jelly like especially when playing fast paced games like beat saber on expert or expert+, speaking from experience with that because a friend of mine has quest 2

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 2:02 PM

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I've just recently read an article that compared Tracking Volume of the different headsets (actually scientifically measured with like a robot arm and whatnot), and it turns out the Rift S more accurate and has a larger space from the headset where it can track the controllers

thick nest Dec 15, 2020, 2:02 PM

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well its expected

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the thing has a full view of your play area at all times

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Well, neither has

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The Rift S has 5 cameras, whereas the Quest and Quest 2 only have 4 cameras

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All of these cameras are on the headset and nothing placed in the room

gloomy crater Dec 15, 2020, 2:18 PM

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Man I'm always gonna admire the Rift S for a multitude of reasons. I may pick one up later on if they're still around, to go with the spare computer I have for if I ever get a girlfriend. That way I can supply the PC and the headset, while also trying to justify my poor spending habits

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I say while also trying to save up for a new chair, PC case, cooler, and graphics card

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 2:21 PM

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I prefer the CV1 over the Rift S, mostly because the CV1 has outside-in tracking, one of the best controllers ever, OLED screens and decent audio (which is apparently a selling point after the garbage Facebook has been consistently putting out since then)

gloomy crater Dec 15, 2020, 2:25 PM

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The CV1 has always been an interest to me, but it almost seems kind of... idk, alien? after all the stuff that's come out after it. Like, it's been so long that I don't recognize the CV1 anymore. I remember the first time I ever played VR was on a Rift S at a beatsaber booth at Sci Fi Valley Con 2019. I paid five bucks to play fifteen minutes of beat saber, and it's a fond memory. Maybe that's why I have such a soft spot for the Rift S despite having never owned one.

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 2:30 PM

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I remember thinking about getting a CV1 back in 2018 when I was still on my Lenovo headset. It was either the CV1 or the Vive as the Lenovo started to scratch my glasses. I ended up choosing the Vive due to the lighthouses not needing USB. Now I don't have the Vive anymore, and I'm not looking at getting one again (if any it'd be the Vive Pro)

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Yet, the CV1 just has something special in my heart. Maybe it's the fact that I never had one while it was still new? Idk tbh

gloomy crater Dec 15, 2020, 2:32 PM

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I remember originally wanting to get a Vive as my first headset, but ended up buying a Quest 1 just because it was so much cheaper

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I wanted a vive since I had this weird hatred for oculus at the time because I had an issue on the Rift S controllers at that convention where I kept pressing the oculus button and exiting the game, and it was super annoying.

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So in an alternate timeline, there's a good chance I would have bought a vive if it wasn't 200 more than the quest at the time

thick nest Dec 15, 2020, 2:42 PM

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haughty thistle The Rift S has 5 cameras, whereas the Quest and Quest 2 only have 4 cameras

yeah i forgot that the rift s used inside out tracking

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not light houses

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like the cv1

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but i got to say

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the cv1 has gotta be the best vr headset in its price for pcvr

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there is just one thing

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the resolution

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ofc its a bit old that explains why they didnt go 1440p or smth like that

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 3:03 PM

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The CV1 not just has the screen issue. The cable is a copper one as far as I can tell, and the ones especially on older CV1s are breaking. You can't get them new, so every CV1 is basically a ticking time bomb. Just a matter of time before it's for the landfill

thick nest Dec 15, 2020, 3:13 PM

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still tho

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180 dollars

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its actually insane

sullen linden Dec 15, 2020, 3:27 PM

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VR = Very cool.

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Imagine a Rift CV2. Outside-In Tracking with IR-Cameras, Passthrough cameras, The awesome CV1 controllers, same good speakers as the CV1, Verifocal displays, 2160x2160 OLED. Basically a dream if it was for the price of the G2...

odd pivot Dec 15, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Just buy a g2?

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I hate the controllers though

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On the g2

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Ummmm are you writing an essay

pastel echo Dec 15, 2020, 4:44 PM

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The rift's cable issue is another reason I'm glad I sold mine, I should have got a Rift S instead of a Quest 2 probably but the Rift S came iwth it's own issues and I don't have display port 🤷‍♂️ but man if my girlfriend gets into VR I'm gonna have her get a Rift S if possible

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Well, the G2 controllers are kinda crap, at least for social VR games. OLED Screens have issues with the subpixel arrangement, but the contrast is much, much better over an LCD, Verifocal Displays we haven't really seen yet, but from the Demos I've heard about it seems like really cool tech, and will probably be a must-have at some point, and lastly, Outside-In will always beat Inside-Out. Mostly because of the advantage an external sensor has over an internal one has...

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And while I'm talking like this is some sort of dream headset (well the 2160x2160 OLED screens are actually), many of these things Facebook has shown off in a prototype before. They just never ended up making a final product out of it...

thick nest Dec 15, 2020, 4:52 PM

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haughty thistle Imagine a Rift CV2. Outside-In Tracking with IR-Cameras, Passthrough cameras, Th...

and HAND TRACKING

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like the index

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then is can bascially be the index killer

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it

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Like I said, I don't think device-less hand tracking will be the future, you're missing any sort of feedback...

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Gloves are the future haha

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They honestly seem really cool from what I’ve seen

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 5:05 PM

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At this point I still believe that dedicated controllers will stay around for a while, as depending on the game, different input methods might be better over others. Like how a Steering Wheel will always be better at racing games then a keyboard, yet for many other games a Keyboard is basically irreplaceable...

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 5:07 PM

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True

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I get my rift s back tomorrow and I’m hyped to play

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Just worried about how the vision will be with no glasses

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Once we have gloves that can use haptic to basically emulate buttons on a controller,I think that's when dedicated controllers will finally only be a second choice. But that'll take years. With out current technology we can barely simulate te touch of an object, but no texture or similar. Mostly larger objects is what current gloves can display...

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 5:10 PM

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kindred parcel Just worried about how the vision will be with no glasses

Basically, if you can read smaller text at about 2m away, you should be fine. But in case you don't you can push the main headset unit away from your face to fit your glasses. the Rift S has much more adjustment range then like the Quest or Quest 2, so you should be golden. In terms of glasses support the Rift S is pretty similar to the Index I noticed...

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 5:10 PM

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That’s the only issue though

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I had to send mine in for replacement because my glasses scratched the lens

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Even though it was in the the farthest possible position away from them

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So I’m thinking of getting prescription lenses for it later.

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Basically, you have to adjust your headset so that you can wiggle your glasses back and forth with the headset fully on

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Hmm...

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That sounds weird... My glasses are actually pretty large, and I had 0 issues fitting my glasses. They're not big in the sens of wide or high, but they sit quite far away from my eyes, so I always had problems fitting them in headsets even ones with glasses adjustments like the OG Quest

timber harbor Dec 15, 2020, 5:19 PM

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I got a Quest 2, super fun way to exercise and game at the same time

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Well my rims are flat right against the glass, so maybe they just don’t provide the right protection ?

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I just don’t want to scratch the lens again. I got lucky and told them it was a smudge under the lens, and they believed me I guess

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That’s what I thought it was at first until I realized my glasses were scratched in the same spot as the “smudge”

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There’s like no rim protrusion

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haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Well, my glasses are frameless, so there's no real protrusion to speak of on mine either

gloomy crater Dec 15, 2020, 5:59 PM

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My glasses frames are wider than the entirety of my head, so I've never been able to fit them into a headset before

harsh niche Dec 15, 2020, 6:16 PM

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dry dove Dec 15, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Facebook is so fucked lmao

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Zucc can wave oculus goodbye

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Good thing tho

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No more Facebook accounts! 😄

gray reef Dec 15, 2020, 6:54 PM

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dry dove Zucc can wave oculus goodbye

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odd pivot Dec 15, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Funny

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This is kinda bad though

stuck garnet Dec 15, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Oculus won’t be disappearing though.
Should be good

pastel echo Dec 15, 2020, 7:48 PM

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I expected this and I'm super interested in how it would play out

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I'm pretty sure Facebook planned on this and it's interesting how they sold out their Quest 2 stock right around holiday time, a lot of users will go active around christmas and they'll get a lot of data before they might potentially have to remove facebook integration

odd pivot Dec 15, 2020, 7:51 PM

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I agree

pastel echo Dec 15, 2020, 7:52 PM

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How much you wanna bet they wont have to remove already linked accounts

odd pivot Dec 15, 2020, 7:52 PM

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Oh damn

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Mine is linked

pastel echo Dec 15, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Yep and I'd take a guess there wont be any process or if there is it'd be rather garbage to unlink that

odd pivot Dec 15, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Hm

pastel echo Dec 15, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Guess we'll just see how it turns out, I'm going into a field where they can have my data it wont matter at all so I already linked mine for Oculus social features

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Hopefully by 2023 though the average person can have a VR headset without signing away their wallet or life

odd pivot Dec 15, 2020, 7:59 PM

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Yep

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Headsets are reasonably priced right now

haughty thistle Dec 15, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I don't think Oculus will die due to this. A seperation from Facebook will in no-doubt benefit the VR market, but will also probably mean that VR will begin to be more expensive probably...

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It's just the cold hard reality: Sell your Soul by letting yourself get data mined, or pay more for something cbWhatever

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Oh sweet, they told me not to turn in my cable when I sent my headset in for RMA, and the new one came with a cable. So now I have two!

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So that’s $80 saved if the cable ever dies on me

regal breach Dec 15, 2020, 10:29 PM

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wait, they come with an Oculus Link cable now??

kindred parcel Dec 15, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Oh should have mentioned it’s a Rift S

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My bad

haughty thistle Dec 16, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Rift S cables are worth more the 80$ I think. Last time I checked Oculus asked 120€ over here for a brand new Rift S cable (back when they were still selling them)

gentle coral Dec 16, 2020, 8:30 AM

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If oculus does split from Facebook I know a ton of people who will rush back to work on new headsets and hopefully release the Rift 2 that was in the works until Facebook killed it and then had the original team leave. I might actually apply for a job there if they leave Facebook. Though it depends on who is running Oculus and if they care about personal privacy.

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Also for everyone asking about hand tracking gloves and hand tracking in general, I have to agree with @haughty thistle that it is currently not the game changer that most people think it is. Most object interactions and quick precise actions need some form of physical feedback.

Over the years I have tried almost every optical and glove based hand tracking device, and have worked on a few as well, and every single one has flaws (to big, not accurate, bad haptics, uncomfortable, expensive, hard to program).

I could go into a lot of details about all the issues and what can solve them, but I would rather give a short version about what would be critical for a good system.

The finger positioning and hand shape needs to be tracked well, to allow for accurate hapics to be triggered by games.
The finger position and hand shape can't be tracked by the gloves as that adds a lot of bulk to the gloves.

3.A bracelet for position of the hands in real space tracked by cameras OR low drift IMU is a good option.

On glove haptics should not be motor based. Piezoelectric, memory wire, acoustic, microfluidics, and muscle stimulation are all better options.
Fabric parts of Gloves must be breathable and stretchy, and can be separated for cleaning.
Tracking must be able to predict hands when one is occluded by the other.
Sensor fusion should be used to lower the processing needed by camera algorithms (cameras only process part of frame where the hand is).
Must not be to expensive (200 dollars Max).
If possible make it have versions for all common headset tracking options.
Glove must be able to be used with regular VR controllers without being taken off.

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Oh also a lot of this also applies to feet based systems as well. As shoes are a great platform for haptics and tracking as well. With accurate foot pressure maps and a combo of foot and ankle trackers you can do reverse kinematics of a big chunk of the legs more accurately then with an IMU or sensor based systems alone.

summer python Dec 16, 2020, 12:54 PM

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haughty thistle Rift S cables are worth more the 80$ I think. Last time I checked Oculus asked 1...

gotta love insanely expensive fiber cables

thick nest Dec 16, 2020, 1:17 PM

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gentle coral If oculus does split from Facebook I know a ton of people who will rush back to ...

i would still think the quest being the primary headset is still the good move here

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even if they split up

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standalone vr has alot more features than pcvr so in my opinion if somebody gave me 1000 dollars to spend on a vr headset i would probably get a quest 2 anyways

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i wouldnt go and buy an index

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its just the features i need most

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and steam vr's sdk isnt fun to play around with

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i prefer oculus's one

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i quit as soon as i tried the basic stuff

haughty thistle Dec 16, 2020, 1:21 PM

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I'd personally prefer PCVR with proper Outside-In Tracking any day over Standalone with Inside-Out any day

thick nest Dec 16, 2020, 1:21 PM

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as i said i wouldnt

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so thats just my opinion

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although maybe there are some issues i dont know of on the q2

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even though i watched every single youtube review on it lol

haughty thistle Dec 16, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Well, Inside-Out has a smaller Tracking Volume, is way less accurate and doesn't support full body, unless you want to track every piece of the body the same way as the headset...

thick nest Dec 16, 2020, 1:23 PM

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well full body is bascially a vr chat add on

haughty thistle Dec 16, 2020, 1:23 PM

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Not just VRchat my dude

thick nest Dec 16, 2020, 1:23 PM

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i know

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but its only useful or massively used in vr caht