lol
#virtual-reality
cyan drum
whole fossil
i was thinking for a basic way for rn is to cut the hands off the model and use that for the meantime and if i feel like it adding a blood affect to it
cyan drum
lol that would be funny
whole fossil
yep
in the preview you can see a model in a t-pose kinda and i wanted to try to get the hands and arms working first but i dont know if i can do it
meybe l8r but i think the cutting of hands will be a good idea until i know how
cyan drum
i know this is off topic of #virtual-reality and should go in #networking but this guy sounds like a Indian scammer https://youtu.be/ajXfkBg4lqo
whole fossil
yeah it kinda does
cyan drum
yup
whole fossil
i sound like another version of the otaku killer when i talk about the hands
cyan drum
Lol he us Grammarly
whole fossil
but at lest im not the otaku killer, that dude is weird
cyan drum
Trying to say "link" saying "ling"
whole fossil
wow
another thing that will be weird to do is uploading avatars
i could just use the engine i made in c++ and make a avatar creator
idk
cyan drum
Hmm
whole fossil
the engine in c++ is not done
i could release a plugin for ue4
like how vrchat has their sdk
im just making plans in my head and i want to make them but ue4 is still downloading ;-;
i wish epic games launcher would scan the dir for existing engines
When you hear "this video is brought to you by" SPAM THE J KEY
also i love this mod
whole fossil
well for the vr game im just going to merg it with the game im already making becuase it would be faster
plus i already wanted to make it vr
i have made chat commands
i have a feeling this wont work
scarlet robin
Add vive support
whole fossil
ok yeah nvm i can just add it to my project
main kraken
No umm.. air fiber is already sounding like a scam without hearing what he says
main kraken
The yt link above
cyan drum
oh
main kraken
Like I said the name itself is already triggering my scam warnings
void grove
What could it mean? 
https://twitter.com/htcvive/status/949339978521169920
Might just be the standalone daydream headset.
main kraken
hope gen2
uneven osprey
main kraken
well resolution might mean they're adding new res model
wider fov, higher res, better lens, better cable clutter management, would prolly be main improvements current gen needs.
- space for fuckin glassess 😛
rather expecting 2nd gen either this or next year
full lotus
Seriously though if they are increasing res I really hope they put better lenses in this time
willow tartan
I hope they tell people that a 1060 wont cut it lol
1060 “vr ready” no, only for mediocre vr
full lotus
They'll likely release some kind of 'HD-VR Ready' for 1440 red stuff and 'UHD-VR ready' for 4k VR stuff I would guess
Cause yeah 1060 won't cut it
wooden cove
i have a quick question
cyan drum
what
wooden cove
i have a GTX 960 4gb, and i was wondering if its good enough to play VR chat or Elite dangerous with a Rift? i dont mind turning down some setting to get at least 90+ fps
cyan drum
hmm, im not really well educated w/ the rift... sorry but Ill google stuff 😃
wooden cove
imma gonna run the Steam vr perfomance test and see if i get over 90fps without droping.
cyan drum
ok
wooden cove
i mean the minimum is 970, being so close to that i realy dont want to upgrade by being so close if its good enough
cyan drum
lol, yeah
wooden cove
my cpu is a i7 6700 so that wont be an issue
cyan drum
yeah, my 6700hq can play vr fine
wooden cove
so i guess Elite dangerous will have to lower some setting but VR chat might run pretty good,
cyan drum
idk but probably 😃
wooden cove
dire monolith
I'll just leave it there
cyan drum
lol I was doing other stuff, and this is a laptop 😃
dire monolith
I'd probably not try to show what my XPS is capable on this test tho...
dire monolith
Yeah, my old 4790K (non OC-ed because it isn't stable) have some issues ^^'
Still great tho ^^'
wooden cove
i found an old model for a Skyrim mod that i love
Vimune, and i viseme'd her face and dynamic't boned her tail
whole fossil
best command on windows
cyan drum
yes it is
cyan drum
😃
cyan drum
lol, yeah he hasnt uploaded much recently
whole fossil
well he was killing memes
cyan drum
lol
cyan drum
windows isnt registered? LOL RIP
whole fossil
well its a vm
cyan drum
lol
whole fossil
because why not
cyan drum
Win10 cant do that I think
whole fossil
no its just windows7-8.1
cyan drum
the WEI?
cyan drum
windows experience index
cyan drum
my VM got full marks 😃
whole fossil
i had a vm i used alot, it was on my mac and that thing i used for playing ps2 games on my mac
or any other emu
cyan drum
lol
cyan drum
whole fossil
i have too meny vms
cyan drum
lol
whole fossil
at lest i have a big hd for it
cyan drum
installing VMware tools
whole fossil
nice
cyan drum
so I dont have to run at a small res
whole fossil
ffs windows
whole fossil
scew windows update
cyan drum
Windows 7 is updating
whole fossil
i just want to boot windows 98
cyan drum
ewww Windows, non aero theme
whole fossil
i miss aero
whole fossil
i already have one
cyan drum
oh lol
whole fossil
i have a folder full of isos
cyan drum
me too
whole fossil
i know what i need to get
cyan drum
virtualization text channel? 😃
whole fossil
that would be nice
cyan drum
whole fossil
theres a mac os kernal that supports ryzen
cyan drum
yeah
whole fossil
idk but i like mac os just not the mac's, the only mac's i like are the towers that you can upgrade the cpu, ram and pci slots
cyan drum
yeah
whole fossil
i have a 2008 mac and that thing still works great
cyan drum
cyan drum
lol
cyan drum
whole fossil
i really want to run mac os on my pc again
cyan drum
whole fossil
cyan drum
1GB of graphics memory too
whole fossil
i gave it 2
cyan drum
no windows https://i.imgur.com/0ikSniB.png
whole fossil
i ran minecraft on windows nt
cyan drum
lol
main kraken
cyan drum
😃
slim schooner
Hopefully has the new tracking module
sharp minnow
New vive?
sharp minnow
I hope so to i was being smart i didnt bought the last gen vive month ago
slim schooner
I bought the vive like a year ago and I love it if this one is cheap I might buy it only if its under 400
slim schooner
Im gonna probs get it under these circumstances: under $400, built in audio strap, auto room tracking, better controls, better comfort
Probably not gonna happen
but I can hope
slim schooner
Nah, it's like a family thing so I'd have to buy it myself
I could sell and old gpu for some extra cash but I don't know where I would
sharp minnow
Yea
slim schooner
Think anyone would buy a 960?
slim schooner
I might ask my friends then :D
sharp minnow
Xd
full lotus
I just want to see if they put better lenses in this time
sullen linden
So, my friend gets to somewhere around the yellow line with his 960 in the SteamVR Performance Test but when I do the test with my GTX 780 (FE) I'm in the red zone? Why? https://gyazo.com/91e856cd3fe6d75be8f14d02083dd286
But what's weird is that after doing a minor OC of +50Mhz and +3 core clock it's all of a sudden capable? https://gyazo.com/536cb662b03a61b7d1dcb09f165c294d
reef fulcrum
who is the president of uganda
void grove
HTC annoucement is today. 
Watch it be standalone Daydream or the current Vive with just a resolution change.
dire monolith
Probably the same Vive but with the same resolution as the Samsung one (the Windows Mixed Reality one, Samsung Odysey ?) and maybe with better lenses
void grove
What if it's a cheaper Vive with a lower res? 
But I think that's very unlikely
dire monolith
Totally unlikely
The only cheaper Vive would be the actual one if there is a new*-ish* model coming
full lotus
TBH, if they up the resolution but haven't changed the currently not so great lenses then I wont consider it
if they have improved the lenses though then yeah ill be pretty pumped
strange tusk
Eh
full lotus
Increased res is nice, but no better lenses :/
Guess ill wait for oculus 2.0
I hope that leak is false. It would be a shame if they dont make the vive a bit more comfortable.
The wireless adapter sounds interesting though
void grove
It was two cameras now! and dual microphones
And it looks more compact, not sure though
They didn't mention anything about new lenses
What? It uses Type-C 3.0
There goes anyone on older platforms. :[
Yeah, the only place were the product page mentions lens(es) is at the bottom for adjustment. So they're probably using the same ones
Buy Vive button is currently broken.
scarlet robin
wireless adapter and multiple lighthouse support is the only thing worth it in there. Someone will find a way to get those features to work on the normal vive seeing as their virtually the same (pun not intended)
main kraken
It doesn't day there's no new lens
It just doesn't mention them.. guessing they don't want to talk about it... that said until late it's confirmed new ...
That said they didn't try to increase fov?
That said.. wireless. . Depends on input lag
Not saying I'm not looking forward to it... just ain't gonna believe it till I experience 24h play session without puking
full lotus
Wireless module will basically be a vive-branded TPCast (though hopefully a bit better than TPCast)
void grove
Twitter
main kraken
https://www.facebook.com/viveport/posts/1798243133809733
Says enhanced optics..
So you're gonna get stutters whenever someone farts?
main kraken
Well if they stay on same inferior lenses they're gonna hurt big if oculus throws a new model bit later
void grove
I don't think Oculus has anything planned until Project Santa Cruz sadly.
exotic sand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eix7fLsS058&t
my friend made this video
void grove
Well, there's also Oculus Go, but we don't talk about that.
But I think Santa Cruz might be a flop if you're not able to connect it ot a PC, because they've said that it's a standalone headset. :/
void grove
dense wadi
I am god look under the environmental section!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda
upbeat bane
modern stag
So Dirt Rally on my PC is messed up. It keeps spawning me at knee height whenever I go to drive and isn't recognizing my G29 wheel. Any ideas for a fix? The view I think can be reset in the options menu but I'm more concerned about the controller not working.
It's still saying "Push 1 to do whatever action" or "3 Back" so it is using the buttons for the controllers. My only guess is because I'm using the Rift with steam vr, the Touch controllers are overriding the wheel, but this has never been an issue the other two times I've gone to play the game in VR on the same setup.
dire monolith
With my G27, Dirt Rally always showed me numbered buttons, I had only one issue, at one launch, my G27 wasn't regcognized, I had to close the game, unplug and plug it back then restart the game and it worked just fine (I'm using Revive for VR but it shouldn't be an issue, even if Revive have some UI placement bugs with Dirt Rally...)
Maybe try to run it through Oculus thing (SteamVR closed)
smoky sail
Okay so
How SFW is vrchat
and how close to second life is it
Is it full of microtransactions like second life
void grove
@smoky sail VRChat is completely free from what I can tell, and it's as SFW as any online game, so not very.
And it's more like IMVU then Second Life
But I've never played Second Life. 
vivid goblet
Oculus Go is so bad
" It's the sweet spot between power and portability" - Mark Zuckerberg
But actually, it is Gear VR with built in display and nothing else
also, are those cameras on the front of Vive Pro for AR stuff or future inside-out tracking?
or just for making it look like two eyes?
weary yarrow
void grove
I think the cameras are for looking around the room in a pinch.
sullen linden
@modern stag I had the same problem for my project cars 2 detecting my g29. Go to device manager and uninstall the device. After that unplug and replug it in. That worked for me
modern stag
awesome will give it a shot thank you @sullen linden
whole fossil
i wish RPCS3 would have a vr rendering thing
that would be pretty sick ; )
30fps vr, hell ye
i need to kno de wey on uncapping fps
dire monolith
Most games are broken on console when you uncap framerate.
whole fossil
yeh but you can uncap persona 5's fps
dire monolith
And even games made for VR can be "broken", Fallout 4 VR have lockpicking screens going too much fast because of the physical engine refreshing at each frame
whole fossil
but you need to modify the eboot
dire monolith
@whole fossil Not all but most console games are. Because of framed animations/physics/scripts based on actual framerate
dire monolith
It's really anoying to see that number of games that can't be uncapped through emulators because of that
whole fossil
yep
the hatsune miku games on psp run great at whatever fps
i wish i knew how their rendering works on ppsspp so i could make a vr mod
dire monolith
It was funny to learn that MGS 3 HD version was running at 60 fps instead of 30 on the PS2 version and that is causing some bugs/difficulties (guards spotting you more often). Thanks AGDQ speedrunners for giving those infos while running ^^
whole fossil
neat
dire monolith
@whole fossil I think it's some kind of custom made OpenGL renderer
dire monolith
https://github.com/hrydgard/ppsspp Maybe you could find something to help you here
whole fossil
oh god i remember trying to make my engine support vulkan, i gave up on vulkan
because im dumb
dire monolith
Graphics APIs could be really difficult, specially when they are poorly documented on some functions...
whole fossil
opengl is really simple which is nice
you just need like GLFW for making a window
for vulkan its really hard because just to init its like 200+ lines of code
dire monolith
Vulkan is obviously more difficult because you have basically a nearly direct access to GPU, so more things to do by yourself
whole fossil
but vulkan is low level
i dont know how directx works becuase i have never touched it
dire monolith
low level APIs are a pain in the a** for some stuff, but when you use it well, it's makes any engine/program running so much faster.
whole fossil
ye
idk i might try some day to learn it
becuase i really want to use it
vulkan is pretty cool
dire monolith
Learning stuff (or at least try it) is always a good idea, you'll always learn something out of it.
dire monolith
Yeah. I have to go, need some sleep for school tomorrow ^^' Bye !
whole fossil
see ya dude, nice talking to you
dire monolith
Always a pleasure to discuss about interesting subjects like those ^^
whole fossil
yep : )
sullen linden
anyone here use a 1050 ti for oculus? and if so how is it
whole fossil
nope but my gpu might be close to that
idk
my gpu is a amd rx 470
and its runs fine but in the beta with the new home it runs like shit, now it is in beta so it might get better
once its fully released
i looked it up and it seems like my gpu is better then a 1050 ti, didnt know that.
void grove
But why is it in #virtual-reality? 
dire monolith
@sullen linden I have used my XPS 15 with my Vive, it got a 1050 4GB, it have decent performance but only on little games (SUPERHOT for example dropped frames a bit when there is a lot of particles). A 1050Ti would be a bit better but for a better experience, you should get a 1060 6GB.
sullen linden
@dire monolith have u ran oculus tray tool to stop ASW from dropping frames to 45fps?
dire monolith
I didn't have an Oculus so I can't really help you with that :/
sullen linden
oh ok
whole fossil
the only time i have used oculus tray tool is for adding steam vr to my library
whole fossil
black
surreal rivet
I hate blue
whole fossil
yeah i think keeping it black is a good thing
surreal rivet
Do you think my pc can run this at xsupersampljng and x as in what number
1800x
1080ti
32gb ram
whole fossil
not in vrchat
whole fossil
altspace? isnt that dead
whole fossil
yeah i remember looking at it once and the game was dead
whole fossil
oh god no
surreal rivet
Lol
whole fossil
depends on what world your in and the players
surreal rivet
Not even with a 1080ti?
whole fossil
idk
surreal rivet
Wow
whole fossil
ok well the servers are online
but from this it sounds like the player base is low
whole fossil
yes
whole fossil
but you might get kicked idk
whole fossil
in vrchat?
surreal rivet
I think so
whole fossil
well the host can kick you
whole fossil
pavlov is fun
surreal rivet
Heard so
whole fossil
just wish when you die you can snap turn
becuase for somereason its disabled when dead
whole fossil
umm
let me see
well duck season, roborecall and echo arena
oh w8
echo arena is not on steam
surreal rivet
Doom?
surreal rivet
Teleport?
whole fossil
yep
surreal rivet
Hmm
whole fossil
its stupid
surreal rivet
Rec room?
whole fossil
look it up on steam but its a basicly has a lot of games in it
surreal rivet
how’d they afford vr
whole fossil
its from PSVR
surreal rivet
I hope Vive Pro is $600 or so
whole fossil
yeah
whole fossil
yeah always wait a bit
surreal rivet
Yep
whole fossil
i got a oculus rift with one more sensor on sale so my vr setup coasts like
Rift with touch: $350
1 more sensor: $60
total of $410
Lol
I mean vive has the best sensors
And with the badass resolution now
Same as Samsung hmd Odessy
whole fossil
well still for the price of a rift its pretty good and you can setup the rift sensors like vive
im planning on mounting them like the vive
but rn how i have them setup is really good becuase i get 360 tracking thats pretty good becuase i got all my sensors using 3.0
also helps that my motherboard has all 3.0 on the back of it
surreal rivet
Lmao
whole fossil
but im glad i got good vr becuase before i was using google cardboard with a steam controller
surreal rivet
Lmao
whole fossil
and sometimes ps move controllers
surreal rivet
But people these days say vr sucks
Because of gear vr
Which Samsung heavily marketed
Gear vr is trash
And oculus fault
They sort of committed suicide there
whole fossil
well for phone vr it would be hard to have motion controllers
whole fossil
it would have to be like mixed reality from microsoft but i dont think the cpu's in the phone can handle that idk
whole fossil
i need to find a gta 5 vr mod
yes
oh no i have to use vorpx
i dont have that ;-;
i know what im going to download
also anyone who has a rift
i have never played raw data but it looks fun, so i cant wait
tacit vortex
@whole fossil apparently thats the best gta5 vr mod
whole fossil
yeah but you have to get a tool for it and it even said not to buy it just for this mod
tacit vortex
Yeah he said it was not worth the effort
agile salmon
lol
whole fossil
i need to throw my touch controller in my monitior
void grove
Is it a ti? Because oculus uses a thing that "doubles" the framerate, so they dropped the min spec to 1050ti
whole fossil
i really want to see a game like forza horizion 3 in vr
dire monolith
@sullen linden
And also, because it using Nvidia "Optimus" tech, you can't use direct mode on your VR headset, and so decrease performances. A 1050 would be enough for casual VR but not more than some little games.
You should definetly get a "VR ready" laptop, it would have direct mode compatibility and so better performances, as well a better graphics card.
sullen linden
oh i am dual 1070 enough ?
north goblet
A single 1070 would be fine for VR, dual can run into sli issues but would still run it.
honestly if your upgrading save the money go single 1070
cyan drum
my laptop 1070 can run vr, SLI VR is for where each gpu renders each eye
north goblet
For games that support it yes, but most doint support it, in fact the vast majority dont
cyan drum
yeah
full lotus
What games support VR SLI?
I had 2x 1080's in SLI for a while and a grand total of 2 games supported it, one of which was nvidia's tech demo 😦
strange tusk
I think Serious sam 3 VR is sli supported
surreal rivet
Overwatch too
green cliff
no
full lotus
@sullen linden What?
surreal rivet
@vivid goblet no as in good sli/cf support
full lotus
@sullen linden please don't post your (or other) IRL addresses here
strange tusk
There should be more sli supported games for vr
inland meteor
SLI is a dead meme
Was needed back when things weren't as powerful, now, one card is plenty for gaming
sullen linden
@inland meteor gaming is still changing, at CES with those 65" 4k 120hz panels and no graphics card can push that resolution at max settings yet for AAA titles
and VR is growing with higher resolutions like that one "8K VR" headset (not saying that will be the one we all use but those resolutions will soon be met) and the min specs for that was a gtx 1080 ti or the new volta GPUS
full lotus
Yeah but the problem is, its upto game devs to implement it
VR is already a niche market, so game devs get a lot smaller returns and lower sales than they would for a normal PC game
The added development cost and time to implement SLI for the tiny fraction of people that have it isnt worth it
Also, those 4k 120hz panels are going to likely be several thousand pounds, and the people who will be buying them are the kind of people that could also drop money on a titan V
Though the most likely scenario is that by the time those panels, and the next gen of VR headsets are out, volta/ampere will be here anyway
right now a 1080ti can handle most games at 1.5x supersampling easily, which is 2.25x the pixel count of the native res
novel crypt
proven trench
Poi
deft crater
i tried vr with single gtx 760 😄 it was an slide show
cyan drum
...
deft crater
tested superhot vr
jagged ingot
which should i go for vive or rift
deft crater
i got the vive recently
sullen mulch
depends
jagged ingot
do you like it?
sullen mulch
both are good
deft crater
yes but havent tried rift
jagged ingot
see tehe thing is rift has better roomscale
deft crater
i like the ease of use on roomscale
sullen mulch
but for me Rift seem overall just little bit better. but this is coming from a person that dont have any of them and mostly used internett about them
deft crater
the tracking is perfect
jagged ingot
rift is like 400 and vive is like 600 now
sullen mulch
vive has the possibility for bigger area roomscale. at least the recomended max
deft crater
dont you need usb cables for the rift cameras?
sullen mulch
but Rift is lighter
deft crater
oh?
deft crater
thats what i thought i like the vive so you need just powr
sullen mulch
and possibly longer cables than you would need with vive
neither of them is best in ALL ways
sleek adder
save yourself a couple hundred bucks and get the oculus
and hopefully you dont hate vr's second gen 😄
jagged ingot
ok
deft crater
i like the vive for its fexability over rift
what are your thoughts about the vive pro?
sullen mulch
Just catching up to Oculus
plus higher res screen
Audio strap should have been included with the vive from the start
without costing more
deft crater
do you have one of them sorry if i missed this earlier
sullen mulch
No
so
what I say might not be the best
but its also not biased because I have it
because I dont
deft crater
thats what i thought
yeah but its most unbiast if you ow both of em
other than self prefrences
sullen mulch
those that have both of them is generally more trustworthy than those that have one or none of them, yes
full lotus
I had the vive and the oculus for a while
Both are great, whichever one you get you will really enjoy
But, these were my thoughts:
Benefits of vive:
-easier integration with future SteamVR hardware
-Arguably better business practices
-Wider FoV
-In theory the max roomscale you can do with it is bigger than oculus, but to be honest I had a MASSIVE playspace and both systems worked indestinguishably from eachother so I would completely ignore that. Not to mention that the vast majority of games are designed for standing/small areas anyway cause not everyone has a big open space to use VR
Benefits of Oculus:
-Much clearer display with noticeably less SDE (at the cost of slightly reduced FoV)
-No noticeable blur or ghosting around edge of view, whereas this is quite bad on the vive
-Hoooly f**k so much more comfortable, even than the vive deluxe strap
-Included headphones are so goddamn nice
-Touch controllers are lightyears ahead of the vive controllers. Vive controllers feel like just that, fat, clunky controllers. Whereas oculus touch it just feels like using your hands.
Im sure knuckles will be better than either of them, but for now they aren't here so don't count those.
-Much cheaper. You can buy an oculus, an extra sensor, a bunch of games and still have money left over vs the cost of a vive
-A lot of the best games imo (lone echo, echo arena, robo recall, arktika) are oculus exclusive. Yeah oculus may have some "walled garden" aspects but the extra cash has gone to funding the development of amazing games that otherwise wouldn't exist
-Oculus dash is amazing. You can open up your desktop, grab and pull out a window and position it in VR space. You can literally be flying in elite dangerous and have a netflix window open in your cockpit. Or have your twitch chat or discord up in the game while you play/stream
Both headsets are amazing pieces of kit, and I think the vive pro + knuckles will likely be the best option ONCE its out, but I dont know if the cost will justify it. Especially since you will need an insane PC to run that res.
For now, I would say oculus is the better product. I ended up selling my vive cause it just sat on the shelf gathering dust
But, its really good that there is fairly equal competition
Competition in the market is good for us consumers 😃
tacit vortex
"-A lot of the best games imo (lone echo, echo arena, robo recall, arktika) are oculus exclusive."
Cant you just use revive and play them on vive anyway
scarlet robin
or you can play onward
cyan drum
I love the vivecraft mod it's awesome
whole fossil
yep
its the only way i can play mc
this game looks fun
yeah i cant wait to play this in 2 days
sonic obsidian
One of my rift touch controllers was faulty so I have to send the whole system back
deft crater
i will test that game out too 😄
final patrol
@full lotus hey. Dont you lose alot of game campatibility with the rift? Alot more apps are made for vive then rift... and the dif between touch and vine controllers makes really hard to play steamvr games or apps.
Is the lower price really worth it when you have less apps overall to use.( use without a hassle at least)
full lotus
@final patrol no, all steamVR games work on the rift
Anything that works on the vive also works on the oculus
final patrol
Sure, but are the controllers optimised? I heard some problems with ex tiltbrush the brushslider does not work properly with the rift touch
More things like that
full lotus
Havent used tiltbrush cause I dont use the creative stuff much other than trying a couple for 5 mins
But yes, it works fine. SteamVR has native mapping for both oculus and vive controllers.
Meaning that the trigger, buttons, tracking, everything is the same
final patrol
Ahaa cool. Was not sure... asking cuz any of them is an investment so you kinda need to do some research to not regret your choice
full lotus
Yeah I had both for a little bit
Sold the vive in the end
But yeah, both controllers have a front trigger, a grip button, thumb stick/pad, and two buttons on them
So games work absolutely fine on either
Only difference is that games that have native oculus support as well as just steamVR can take advantage of the finger proximity tracking and extra gestures
Plus oculus has some cool stuff like Asynchronous SpaceWarp which if you have a lower-end PC is really cool
final patrol
Interesting
whole fossil
well soon im getting the mounts for my oculus sensors, so its not on my desk anymore
thats going to be great
i also got all my sensors using 3.0
obtuse palm
Any thoughts on this: https://www.amazon.com/Acer-AH101-D8EY-Windows-Wireless-Controllers/dp/B075PVLN2P
deft crater
well
full lotus
@obtuse palm the Windows MR stuff isnt great
Its ok if thats all you can get, it is a lot cheaper than other options, but actual game support is very limited, tracking only works when the headset can see the controllers etc, its just not great
obtuse palm
@full lotus thanks
whole fossil
yeah, WMR is neat on how it works but if you want to play vr you should just wait and get more money for a rift
but idk where you live
deft crater
Oh i forgot to test that game :(
whole fossil
oh
hmm is this the 2.0 update 
good news everyone! the 2.0 update is out of beta!
hell yeah discord in oculus
whole fossil
well now that its out of beta oculus home is not that laggy anymore! On beta at low settings it would lag like a MFer and now on release i can run it at low settings with good fps
which makes sence
whole fossil
oh thats cool, your home's 360 photo is used for your banner
full lotus
@whole fossil its still in beta
whole fossil
yeah but so far i love it
i think i fixed my laptop, the speakers were making a buzzing noise so i unpluged them on the main board
since rn i have my laptops ssd in my desktop i installed linux on the hd of it
and im going to play csgo for a long time to see if it still does it
azure dove
Hey y’all I was wondering if the “mixed reality” line of VR headsets are worth it
full lotus
Not really @azure dove
They are OK and better than the awful phone VR stuff
But lack far behind oculus or vive
Poorer tracking and much less game support, controllers only track in view of the headset cameras etc
Only benefit is that they're much cheaper
void grove
Wut...
tacit vortex
probably trying to get rid of dumb rgb mousepads they have in stock and cant sell lol
void grove
Should I get a rift? I might be able to get one if I forego some non essential subscriptions.
void grove
It won't make me poor, but I'll miss out on Netflix and crunchyroll for a month.
void grove
xd
final patrol
In VR
void grove
With dash, or is there another way?
void grove
The only reason why I'm even considering it, is because it comes with a few games I want to play and I have a couple of Steam games that supports VR. :U
Oh, the KFC training demo is publicly available.
void grove
I had the Oculus software already installed and I enabled the beta and updated it and now it looks completely different! o:
full lotus
@void grove when you buy the oculus in the box or on the reciept email there are some codes for some free games too
and a lot of them, like rec room, Echo arena (best vr game i've played imo) etc are free
void grove
I was going to get it on Newegg, because they won't tax me and I have free 2 day shipping through shoprunner.
void grove
In the meantime I'll just browse the Oculus subreddit.
void grove
I've been looking into seeing if I can get away with only two censors. :U https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/6nslpr/are_two_sensors_enough_for_me_a_two_sensor/?st=J585LLI9&sh=4ff45a39
sullen linden
.....i need to make the ultimate decision
oculus... or vive?
leaning towards oculus but maybe wait until vive 2.0 and then get the old one at reduced price?
void grove
If you're considering vive, I'd wait to see how much the pro is.
Also, I'm not sure how true this is, but there's a rumor that the Vive Pro is more geared towards an upgrade for current Vive owns, but that would really suck if that were the case. :/
@sullen linden If you haven't yet, I'd try to see if you could try them out before buying, because IMO touch is what really sells the Rift for me.
And I doubt Kunckles will be released with the Vive Pro. :/
final patrol
Does rift have a wireless option?
Like the vive wifi thingy
Or is it usable on both?
void grove
I don't know, but the Vive wireless thing AFAIK just uses USB and HDMI, so it could work, but I'd wait until someone can actually try it before you spend you cash.
void grove
Apperently the TP-Cast supports Rift, but I heard the product they had at CES was super stetchy... :/
The issue you'd run into with the Rift is cable length for the Vive solution, because AFAIK Oculus only sells the 4 m cable.
final patrol
No biggy.. i can wrap it around my neck... not attached to anything that moves... so no choking hazard. :))
Or around the sholders like a car seat harness
Lol
full lotus
@final patrol Yeah the vive wireless adapter will also work on oculus once its out
though you can use TPCast for now if you want something urgently
sullen linden
Has anybody tried the TP-Cast? I can see a lot of latency issues with these things might make you dizzy like any other wireless dongle
full lotus
From everything i've read, it seems that it works very well with no noticeable latency and no noticeable difference from wired.
BUT, apparently many people have had to force their wifi routers and some other wireless devices to specific channels so that the TP-Cast can be not interfered with as it is apparently VERY sensitive to that
tacit vortex
@void grove idk why you think its an upgrade for current owners but they did say you can just buy the HMD for people who have a vive already so they dont have to buy sensors and everything else as a bundle again.
void grove
That's what I heard, I said that I wasn't sure if it was true. :/
void grove
Someone made a VR version of GZDoom. :U https://github.com/cmbruns/gz3doom/releases
mortal plinth
Is it just me or does it feel like HTC is teeing up another company to steal all the new VR business?
I was looking into getting into VR, but didn't end up buying anything because HTC announced the Vive Pro. But they're only releasing the HMD on its own, so I'm stuck waiting until Q4 to buy the bundle with tracking 2.0, since buying the rest of the bundle stuff alone is basically the same price as buying the whole bundle with the Vive HMD.
I feel as though there are a bunch of people like me, and all it's going to take is for someone like Oculus (or a newcomer) to release a high res display full bundle, and all those people that are now waiting are just going to buy that instead.
void grove
LG is making a SteamVR headset, but I don't remember the res. :/
mortal plinth
Probably using the same new panels that are in the Vive Pro and Samsung Odyssey
void grove
I don't know.
mortal plinth
I know they manufacture ALL the TV panels.
void grove
It's 80% of what the Vive Pro is pre eye. :/
mortal plinth
Yep
Another reason I'm kinda annoyed with what HTC is doing..
Even if I bought the 2.0 bundle..
I'm still going to need to buy the Knuckles when they eventually come out
@void grove - Which headset do you havE?
void grove
Plastic cardboard? xd
void grove
But I plan on getting a Rift soon™.
mortal plinth
I actually ordered one.. And then cancelled it..
A friend was telling me that the resolution on the first gen hedsets is very meh...
OK for some games... But not great for stuff like Bigscreen
void grove
You don't really notice it if you're playing an intensive game, imo
mortal plinth
I decided to wait for the higher res headsets.
I feel like it's going to make a pretty big difference.
Especially if you want to use VR for anything other than gaming... Like productivity, watching videos, etc.
final patrol
But you will need a better gpu as well...
void grove
Speaking of GPUs, has anyone tried Asynchronous Timewarp on Rift?
mortal plinth
@final patrol -lol (assuming that was a joke)
I have a Titan X (Pascal)
Probably good enough for the Vive Pro
void grove
Wait, Palmer Luckey still has a link to the Oculus website on his Twatter even though he left almost a year ago. 
sullen linden
ehh I still supported/promoted a company I used to work for because I really believed in them long after I'd left also... or he could just not care about his twitter profile that much - also like me
final patrol
@mortal plinth how would i know what gpu you had to be joking... i was assuming you had a gpu like a normal person, not like a baller that has stacks of money laying around...
But yeah... it will most likely be enough
full lotus
anyone want to play some 'from other suns' or 'echo arena' add me on oculus 😃
name is just goldiefoxx
void grove
The Dell HMD is also crap. :x
minor vector
well yea, and you can get like oculus touch bundle for 499
why are they so expensive
full lotus
I wouldn't reccomend the windows MR stuff tbh
It's worth paying the extra for proper tracking and steamVR support
minor vector
mostly just interesting on getting a display I can use in bed, and 3D
mortal plinth
I just want to VR, ya know?
I just want a bundle... with all the stuff... with a decent resolution..
void grove
I was joking about building your own. :U But yeah, I agree.
mortal plinth
lol. Yeah. Saw the Relativ the other day. Hilariously awesome, but surely nausiating AF
It just frustrates me that the Vive Pro won't be released as a bundle, and even then I'll still have to wait for decent controllers.
Maybe Oculus will come out with a highres headset soon.
void grove
They said that they weren't releasing another Rift class product. :[
mortal plinth
Maybe it won't be a new Rift. Maybe it will be an "updated" rift.
I can hope, can't I?
void grove
And I wouldn't expect anything until Project Santa Cruz comes out.
There's Oculus Go, but we don't speak about that.
mortal plinth
Yeah. Sadly I don't think there will be anything.
I have a friend who is good friend with Boz (head of the Oculus team), and he hasn't heard anything. 😦
Not his area though. So you never know.
void grove
I'm kinda interested in the specs of Go though, and I wonder if there's more than one model...
Oh, at OC4 they confirmed that it's 2560x1440...
Still interested in what SoC they're using though.
minor vector
oculus go could be functional system if it supported streaming
also
that's a safety hazard
whole fossil
beat saber looks like fun and from some gameplay it looks like you have to move around sometimes, i wonder how the PSVR port will work since its really a standing type of vr thing.
void grove
Welp, looks like I'm getting rift a month later than expected. :x
Time to resub to Nitro and Netflix...
mortal plinth
@void grove - Why a month later than expected?
void grove
I need to buy pants...
mortal plinth
lmao
open lintel
SteamVR doesn't launch, like the toolbar icon thing in the corner which shows your headset, sensors, and base stations.
It just doesn't show up, and when I click the VR button again it just says "SteamVR is already running".
I've tried reinstalling both steam and steamvr, unpluggin and replugging everything (even the base stations and everything connected to the PC and breakout box).
Please help!!!
final patrol
Try compatibility mode win 7 or 8 with admin rights
open lintel
I did that
void grove
CV2 is lookin' good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RueT9FhiCtg
whole fossil
yeah the glove looks pretty cool
dire monolith
A lot of time ago
mortal plinth
Vive users... How do you feel about the Wands vs something like the Oculus Touch or Valve Knuckles?
Try and respond without bias
dire monolith
I'd definetly prefer having Oculus controllers or Valve Knuckles, which are far more better than the wand. Tho, the wand is pretty well tracked and its trackpad is quite good. But finger tracking would be a killer feature to have
full lotus
@mortal plinth I had the vive and oculus for a while
The vive wands are ok, they do the job well, tracking etc is great. my issue was that they didnt feel like they were designed to emulate you using your hands, they are controllers that happen to be tracked.
Whereas oculus touch is something that has controller-like functions but with a huge amount of thought put into making gestures and finger use feel very very natural. You can forget you're using them sometimes.
I think knuckles will be a step beyond both of them once they're out though
nocturne idol
Anyone into VR flight simming?
mortal plinth
@full lotus -Thanks! You've confirmed my suspicions
whole fossil
Knock, knock, it's Knuckles, the bloat thrower
Independent flower, Magical Emerald holder
I'll give you the coldest shoulder
silver field
My only thing with the controllers is I've raised them into the ceiling fan a couple of times... VR is immersive.
full lotus
I did have to buy some new touch controllers once.
Got very immersed in echo arena and punched a wall XD
void grove
mortal plinth
BREAKING NEWS!
The newer, higher end Vive will be more expensive than the older, lower end Vive 😮
/s
https://www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-pro-targeted-prosumers-will-expensive-consumer-vive/
final patrol
Lol... oculus keeps cutting down prices... htc keeps raising them.... real nice.
sullen mulch
even more reason to continue to want oculus rift over htc vive
dire monolith
HTC keeps raising the headset quality tho, so of course it will cost more. Then, when they will be able to produce parts in high quantity/at a lower price, the headset price will drop
dusty estuary
Just double checking - the wireless adapter is compatible with the current version right?
dire monolith
It should
But I don't see anything that would prevent that
And if I recall, HTC does said that it was.
dusty estuary
Sweet, gonna get one when it comes out - although it does look like an alien spacecraft landed on your head
final patrol
Were there any price cuts ever on the htc vive? Cuz by now they could get the production cost down... but they still charge the same price.... so im not really seeing your point to be a real one.
They are like apple... why cut prices when they will pay this much for it anyway...
void grove
sullen linden
I’m sure it could
dire monolith
My XPS 15 (with a GTX 1050) can run my Vive, but not with the best experience (and because of the Optimus thing, I can't use my Vive in Direct Mode)
But it works for little showcases on the go.
I had a funny christmas hollyday with my Vive on familly dinners.
nocturne idol
I run my vive on a 1060 and an i7 930
vr flight sims are fun if you have a joystick
dull tide
@nocturne idol What about HOTAS or a Mixed Reality setup? (^ω^)
dull tide
Kinda want MR just to try driving courses like this.
Yeah, the biggest annoyance for Flight Sims is having to use the hat switch to look around
and since you need so many controls, you cant really do VR
unless its arcade style
modern ore
i Sware if my vive dosent come tommorow im going to scream
cyan drum
Lol rip
sullen linden
@modern ore download the steam app that tests how compatible your PC is. It’s pretty accurate estimating framerates and whatnot
modern ore
ok i got it today it works great
whole fossil
well i got my laptop working and holy hell playing vr games in full 90 fps is amazing
modern ore
I think im Addicted to vr
final patrol
Lol you just got it... how can you already be addicted
opaque slate
i've tried it twice and i'm addicted
i just don't have the money to fuel my addiction
it's like being addicted to prescription meds but you simply can't get them
nocturne idol
Just huff some fly spray
final patrol
lol
whole fossil
i would love to see a vr mode in RPCS3 now that would be amazing
final patrol
Is that the ps3 emulator? What does it have to do with vr, and its barely has any fully playable big games...
whole fossil
well it would be cool to see some ps3 games in vr and yeah of cource it cant play alot of games at full fps but thats because its still in alpha.
its the same thing with dolphin vr its just a cool thing to play the games in vr.
whole fossil
well my vr stuff is being weird
like im using my oculus and after 1 sec it goes black and randomly turns off and on
stone garnet
occulus vs. vive...go
stone garnet
I mean, does it really matter? Aren't most games that are VR ready hardware independent?
whole fossil
wat?
strange tusk
Is that a good game if you’ve tried it yet lol
whole fossil
it pretty fun
whole fossil
if you have 360 tracting you need to turn off the settings for the arrows
so you can turn in the game with your body insted of using the joysicks
i can play 2 races but thats my limit for awhile
also i just got a achievement
opaque slate
Im looking at a cheap way to get into the VR side of Vrchat, i currently have a Daydream capable phone and a PC that can handle streaming through Riftcat, but i want to add some form of external tracking
Any suggestions?
With a quick google i have found my own
Freetrack, with a usb battery bank and some LEDs attached to my 20 dollar headset
I wont have hand presence but thats fine
dull tide
1060 TI 6 GB should be able to handle an oculus rift, right?
sullen linden
@dull tide there is no 1060 ti, but the 1060 6gb should be fine for almost everything in the oculus library with no supersampling
scarlet robin
I run my vive on a 1060 6Gb, few stutters here and there, mainly when loading scenes (especially in Onward) but it runs perfectly fine after that
chrome idol
can i pust stuff related to vr chat here ?
dull tide
@sullen linden
Thanks. Still trying to navigate these naming schemes
sullen linden
@dull tide no problem. The 1060 is kinda confusing in the naming scheme since it has a 3gb and a 6gb. I have had both and for VR I would definitely recommend the 6gb since some games need more than 3gb of VRAM
dull tide
I run a lot of mods so the added vram will be nice
stone garnet
Anyone play ED on VR? If so, do you still use a flight stick or do you use the controllers?
dire monolith
I still use my mouse and keyboard and I'm fine with it, you just have to remember where which key is
And ED on VR is so much better than without VR. Specially in dogfights
whole fossil
well i found out how to make a VR player controller and its pretty simple
which is nice
whole fossil
spectator view
ornate socket
Does anyone know if a 980 would have good HTC Vive preformance
ornate socket
well the problem is i dont actually have a 980
i wanted to know b/c im considering buying one.
sullen linden
@ornate socket I just built my brother a ryzen 5 1600, gtx 980, 16gb ram system for vr and it runs smooth on intense oculus games, and passes the steam VR compatibiliity test
sullen linden
@ornate socket no but he plans to use it for more than VR
sullen linden
Mainly VR and some fps games, but also for video editing
ornate socket
@sullen linden oh ok, that makes more sense]
scarlet robin
I'd imagine VR SLI would work quite well seeing as theres two displays that need to be driven, but I havent done any research
sullen linden
@oak raven im sure it will be incorporated in more games in the future, but as of now it is very slim of how many games optimize for SLI
whole fossil
well i got vr chat to work on my gpu and got some games to run at 90fps by overclocking my gpu with a little bit more voltage
i can even run sprint vector with 100% res scale
stone garnet
How does it compare to rift and vive?
mortal plinth
I'd be interested to see the difference in tracking latancy between Windows MR's edge detection, and the tracking of Vive and Rift.
sullen linden
@stone garnet there are a few nice things about the selection of WMR headsets. you can get a higher res headset with the WMR with CERTAIN headsets (about the same res of the soon to be vive pro), but you lose tracking reliability since it uses the cameras on the front of the headset to see the controllers, instead of having sensors to setup. I’d say it’s best for mobile setups, and maybe with sales, a good budget option, but you do lose out on some titles and the superior motion tracking
digital hearth
Hey, my rift's HDMI isn't being detected, what should i do?
whole fossil
well you can buy another cable from oculus
if its the cables falt
the cable btw is $50 usd
digital hearth
@whole fossil can you send me a link to that?
digital hearth
thx
whole fossil
and you should find it
digital hearth
@whole fossil I actually got my rift to work by unplugging it
But thanks for helping
digital hearth
Like from the rift side
whole fossil
yeah ik
rugged kraken
Is there upcoming deals on VR headsets like oculus or vive?
I been wondering when they are going to put the vive pro out.
with that I know prices are going to drop in theroy.
mortal plinth
@rugged kraken - They haven't officially said a date, but the Vive Pro headset is being released in Q1
And the bundle is rumored to be released in Q4
which is really dumb
vagrant crescent
i need help choosinga phone
i realy wanna hop on the vr train so need a hpne with the sensors and screen size needed
my only issue is diaplay resolutio
is 4k needed / minimum or will 1080 p give me a good experience
i am aiming for immersion but then again not a lot of vr content is even in 4k
i had the nexus6p in mind but want the 18:9 aspect ration and the reassurance of a good battery
mortal plinth
@rugged kraken - You'd think, but no... They've already stated they're just going to be the same as the old wands, except they'll be blue and support the new tracking 2.0
No word on when the Valve Knuckles are coming
whole fossil
i really need to learn how to overclock my gpu a shit ton more
wow when my gpu crashed for a bit shadow warrior just resumed once it was working again
whole fossil
well i got my gpu to its highest clock i can do on it
time to test it l8r for vr
all i know is vr chat will still run like shit
full lotus
@whole fossil what GPU is it?
whole fossil
xfx amd rx 470
full lotus
What currently is your bottleneck in regards to overclocking further @whole fossil ?
whole fossil
well if i try and go higher on my core clock it will crash when a lot of action is happening in a game
full lotus
You need to increase the voltage to the GPU
Higher clockspeeds means a weaker signal, which means more instability.
You can compensate for that by increasing voltage, at the cost of more heat output.
You just have to make sure that a) your GPU doesn't get too hot, as it will both make it more likely to be unstable (A gpu could be stable at a certain speed at 60 deg but unstable at 80), and increased degredation
Degredation will also occur faster the higher you put the voltage
whole fossil
well i already put more voltage on it and i adjusted the fan curve
full lotus
Well when overclocking the three things you can do to improve stability:
-Keep temps lower (why extreme OC stuff uses liquid nitrogen)
-Increase voltage
-Use a better quality power delivery system, which isnt an option for the avg person so the top two are what you need to do
whole fossil
well all i know is i cant overclock it more but at lest vr chat runs a bit better
full lotus
Technically you can always overclock it more :P
The only point at which you can't overclock it further is when the chip actually dies
whole fossil
well im trying to keep it safe, i dont want to hurt my only gpu
because fuck buying one rn
full lotus
What is your voltage?
whole fossil
i dont remember
full lotus
And what is your clockspeed?
whole fossil
oh sprint vector has a update
tropic oasis
As long as that isn't a nauseating 84 fps
whole fossil
it isnt nauseating becuase of ASW
whole fossil
yeah games like rec room look fine (because of ASW) but vr chat will freeze for a bit when a lot of shit is happening which is most of the time
whole fossil
welp on my quest to get my ram stick working again i have concluded that it just wont work.
tried to get it working so i can use the new oculus home with more than 700mbs free in ram
river turtle
rma rip
whole fossil
nvm just did a bios update and its fixed
whole fossil
well now theres two rhythm games that look neat
thanks crypton
the model for miku looks bad doe
like just looks too weird
they should of got sega to make it
yeah sega would of done better
whole fossil
sprint vector is great and its like a AAA vr game
whole fossil
lol
polar heath
Anyone got experience running Elite Dangerous VR on a 970?
whole fossil
nope i have a AMD RX 470 i think a 970 is slightly better than my card idk
rugged walrus
It seemed to run fine on my 290, which is pretty similar to the 970. Just not much room to dial up the settings
low ingot
Could we have up1000$ vr ready pc build
whole fossil
$1000? thats one gpu
low ingot
@whole fossilyep but I know they could make it easily by something somehow and in some time
In future
dull tide
Any recommendations for someone getting into MR?
dull tide
thanks, im check them out
cobalt cloud
Simple question: Oculus or Vive? Which should I buy? By the time I get the money, the Vive Pro will probably be out.
vagrant crescent
Oculus for sleekness, included headphones and games library (yes I know revive exists)
Vive for tracking and expandability and ease of setup
Also Oculus for ergonomic contr9ollers
cobalt cloud
Yeah, I really like the tracking on the Vive
My friend has one
I want to see how much the pro will cost
vagrant crescent
Windows MR for great quality headsets, OK tracking but most of all it works anywhere
Vive Pro ehhhh
I wouldnt
Id go Santa Cruz
cobalt cloud
I’ll wait and see
cobalt cloud
Make my judgements when the final products are out