virtual-reality

[hot forge]

is this what you meant by disabling the fire wall

[weak bluff]

That might be op but its one way

I suggest disable by selected applications

Right below there "Allow an app through firewall" is what you should do

[hot forge]

i turn it off and it still saying it not detcting anything

[weak bluff]

Do the updates then

[hot forge]

should i try to use cable first then change to bluetooth?

[weak bluff]

Bluetooth?

[hot forge]

i meant airlink

[weak bluff]

Sure

[hot forge]

should i have this one checked

[weak bluff]

This is in windows firewall settings?

I dont remember what is the check for

[hot forge]

yes

[weak bluff]

One is public one is private?

The ticks

I dont remember if tick is on or off firewall

[hot forge]

the full image

[weak bluff]

Oh

Oh ok you dont need to change anything

Go update your headset

[hot forge]

ok

[hot forge]

it say no software update is available

[weak bluff]

Hmmmmm tricky

Yeah I'm done maybe repair Oculus software

I don't have any more suggestions

Double check is not wrong WiFi or forgot to connect something

[hot forge]

i am trying to uninstall and re install the software on the pc

[weak bluff]

Man we are just sitting peacefully in the middle of burning drama

[hot forge]

well nothing seems to work

[weak bluff]

You have 2x 5Ghz or ethernet and 5Ghz?

Also hows cable connecting

[hot forge]

1. i have both ehernet and 5ghz
2. cable works

[weak bluff]

Hmm maybe its router fault?

Idk anymore

[hot forge]

idk about this since i don't have access to the router settings

and i don't think anything was changed

[weak bluff]

I got same issue before and 2 solution fixed me: Restart Oculus in Beta settings and update software

[hot forge]

now it showing general device preoble what would that mean?

[weak bluff]

Hover over it

What does it says

[hot forge]

its gone now after restarting

before updating to window 11 ( i already roll back to windows 10) it usually have the app on start up when ever my pc turn on

and it instantly detect it b4 yesterday when it started having this problem

and then when ever i am in th eairlink menu i press pair to my pc it usually show a code instantly and now not anymore

[cedar belfry]

I get that message literally all the time, it's a false positive for me and Oculus Link still works

[hot forge]

it work with cable but i cannot connect it wirelessly

[cedar belfry]

ohhh my god i fucking LOVE Oculus, best damn headset EVER

Thanks for being the best headset to ever exist, it's never had any errors

[hot forge]

At least u get connected mine not even detecting any hardware at all

[cedar belfry]

I'm so tired of using this piece of shit hardware

[cedar belfry]

I get connected for like... 2 minutes at a time if I'm lucky

[hot forge]

I don't get connected at all anymore

[weak bluff]

Are you using OculusKiller?

[hot forge]

The pairing tab doesn't even show th PC any m9re

[cedar belfry]

I am, yes

It's literally just an issue with my headset at this point, my SECOND one

[hot forge]

What's that?

[hot forge]

Oof tuff luck bud

[weak bluff]

Its a way to launch SteamVR and bypass Oculus software

[hot forge]

OK I see

[cedar belfry]

oculus dash*

[weak bluff]

https://github.com/LibreQuest/OculusKiller

Oculus Dash yes

[cedar belfry]

I'm gonna go cry inside of my second quest 2

sick of it

[weak bluff]

Return?

[cedar belfry]

past warranty

[hot forge]

i am here to annouce i manage to fix the problem

i just need to delete the oculus file using safe mode

nvm it work for just 5 seconds

[weak bluff]

so close

[lusty dagger]

Have fun with steamvr on steam Hardware.

Mostly works, but they there are times where it simply doesnt.

With my rift s f.e., never had a Single issue.

Other than the hmd just being not great xD

[rancid kestrel]

I had issues with my Vive until I changed a setting.

[drifting siren]

have you guys seen the open source headset

https://www.relativty.com/

I want to create a high fidelity headset cheaper then a pimax

[finite turret]

anyone else install the android discord app on their quest 2 for fun

it has layout issues because it seems to think that it is in portrait mode despite the width

but most important stuff works

[weak bluff]

its not worth it

[little plinth]

i use pico 4 but it works the same
just use the browser version

[finite turret]

yeah ik

its obviously not practical but i tried it out of curiosity

[weak bluff]

Second hand Index owner can you claim HLA for free?

[hot forge]

update 2 i manage to get it working this time its because for somereason when i updated to window 11 all of my startup app was removed so i had ot manually set it up again in windows 10

[gloomy crater]

nope

It gets credited to your account when you make the headset purchase on steam. No headset purchase on your account = no free copy of HLA

Which sucks bc even though I already had a copy of the game before buying my used index kit, I would've really liked to have the skins that come with buying an index.

[celest loom]

Anyone used VorpX? I've been curious to use it for years but so very dubious of it as it looks like a scam, there's no trial, and they don't do refunds.

[rancid kestrel]

Can you run Switch games with Toycon VR support on Steam VR?

[leaden ruin]

i always hear people having problems with oculus. only issues i have sometimes is tracking in beat saber when my controller batteries are below 30%

[cedar belfry]

my tracking is fine, i have issues with link itself

[leaden ruin]

ah you don't use cable?

i use the rift-s

[rancid kestrel]

It's weird that adding a cable is an upgrade and removing a cable is an upgrade.

[cedar belfry]

i use cable

[rancid trench]

Did they ever fix the VR issues with the 7900XTX?

Specifically the ones that led to the 6900XT outperforming it?

[lethal peak]

Interesting question. Could run Breath of the Wild in better than DK1 VR

[weak bluff]

yes but i cannot test it myself

i think 1 youtuber reviewed it

[pale orbit]

https://youtu.be/zDX9qZ0ttz8

[weak bluff]

this one correct

[rancid trench]

Awesome! Great video thank you!

[paper mason]

Hmmm I was looking at used vr headsets but have 0 clue what to look for. I was planning to use it for playing my steam games on vr for fun. So only a few. I would plug it Into an i7-4770k rx 570 8gb pc.

What would your recommendations be?

[haughty thistle]

Prolly first order of business is to upgrade that GPU. VR requires a ton of GPU horses and I wouldn't recommend running VR on anything that's less powerful then a 2060 these days...
If you still wanna try, make sure it's either an OG Vive or a Rift CV1 (both only available used these days). You should have the easiest time getting these to run on your (for VR purposes) weak GPU...

[rancid kestrel]

I have a 3060 and some VR stuff is kinda slow (at times) on my Vive.

[weak bluff]

https://twitter.com/VRChat/status/1692314381013434879?t=n9JMmMokmcKrMqWF_2Fl7g&s=19

VRChat (@VRChat)

The VRChat Alpha on Android is now available for VRChat+ subscribers!

Read our blog on how to get started: https://t.co/UigHZ1U6RH

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Twitter · Aug 17, 2023, 11:16 PM

Oooooof

[rancid kestrel]

That'll be awful on cardboard.

[soft gulch]

what the fuck

I hope there'd be an option to not play with them... introducing a mobile app for such a thing lowers the barrier of entry far too low... if trolls aren't already an issue, they certainly will be now

[weak bluff]

https://twitter.com/jav6868/status/1692334475064365512?t=P_PjbimX1jN2ar4qd1GZ3w&s=19

YORIMIYA (@jav6868)

VRChatスマホ版のアルファテスト試してみた！これで本当にどこでもVRChatできる。よさげ
#VRChat

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[lusty dagger]

Its most likely something like desktop

[lusty dagger]

Theres vrc Desktop, the bar already is basically non exitend

[soft gulch]

you underestimate mobile users

[little plinth]

ordered a pair of lenses for my pico4

finally

no longer fighting with my glasses for comfort lmao

[weak bluff]

its great and it adds extra layer of lens protection

[gloomy crater]

I'd never consider using my glasses in VR, there just aren't any headsets that do it well. Even before my lenses arrived for both of my previous headsets, I would just use contact lenses whenever I wanted to play because putting them in and taking them back out was still easier than dealing with fitting my massive frames into a headset

[haughty thistle]

Afaik the mobile build is basically just the Quest version adapted for a touch screen. No cardboard support whatsoever.
And because it's the Quest version it has the same/similar requirements for a similarly mediocre experience. The Quest 1 is already too slow for VRC mobile I'd argue (lags worse then a Reverb G2 on a 2070 Mobile in a decently large lobby all while being super pixelated), so minimum SoC performance would be Quest 2 equivilant; aka Snapdragon 865 or higher...

[haughty thistle]

Also wow. Great to see that the outer screen on the Flip 5 actually is usable for apps. You can do that on the Flip 3 already, but the apps are usually super broken and half the things don't work...

[weak bluff]

if apps are broken because its not designed for squareish ratio then VRChat is designed for it

[little plinth]

Breh my S20 would have been powerful enough if the seller didn't mistakenly sent the exynos 990 version

The exynos version is... More dogshit

Compared to the snap 865 ver

Despite being the "same" phone

[lusty dagger]

Im waiting for people to get the rog phone cause its like 1% better for vrc xD

Okay actually it might be a lot, cause they have models with giant ram

[paper mason]

Don't get me started on the exynos

Thingy

S21s are the only phone which had a smallish difference compared to their exynos counterparts compared to the s20

[haughty thistle]

Thank god Samsung omitted their Exynos chips from their foldables. They all got Snapdragons which I'm thankful for...

[paper mason]

I think they called the one for their foldable.

Snapdragon 8 gen 1 galaxy?

I'm going to assume that because the foldable was released later it could better optimise the proccesor so samsung called it that????

Eh there is probably an answer on Google

[cunning shale]

Is a small amount of space ok for the Quest 2?

[warm stirrup]

As long as u don't hit anything while playing its fine

[cunning shale]

Ok. Is there any games that require you to actually move around instead of just standing still?

[warm stirrup]

There are some but you don't have to play those. Beat Saber, gorn, gorilla tag, and others like that would be an issue if you can hit something

[cunning shale]

Alright, what about something like bonelabs or half life alyx?

[haughty thistle]

Those are basically identical to the non "for Galaxy" versions of the Snapdragon chips, only customized as to what else goes into the chip for Samsung. Qualcomm tries to make their chips as generic as possible so that as many companies can use them, but then Samsung partnered with Qualcomm to get customized variants of those same chips. Afaik that's the only difference...

[weak bluff]

Yes just play on sitting mode

[rustic garnet]

how small a space are we talking

I've got 1.6m by 1.6m

about 5x5 feet

[cunning shale]

like if i take a bit too far of a step theres a risk i hit a wall

[haughty sable]

heavily depends on the game

[rustic garnet]

can u give measurements

[rancid kestrel]

How much might a fully kitted out Vive go for?

[haughty thistle]

OG Vive?

And what exactly you mean with fully kitted out?

[rancid kestrel]

Wireless and the headphones.

[haughty thistle]

Given that the Vive Wireless adapter is still the best wireless PCVR experience you can get rn (if paired with the Vive Pro 1) and it's still being sold new and forwards compatible with even the newest headsets, that alone will bump up the price significantly... (I think 250-300 bucks for the WA alone used would be a decent price)
And instead of headphones for the OG Vive, I'd rather target a DAS instead. Decent built-in audio and a massive comfort upgrade. I'm not sure if you can even still buy these new, but the fact that some people still prefer it over other alternatives as a strap replacement (not just for the Quest mind you), I could very well imagine this one also bumping up the price by quite a bit as well. Tho if you pay more then 70 bucks for barely used DAS these days, then you're prolly overspending.
For the OG Vive I wouldn't pay more then 300 bucks for it (which is essentially what a pair of lighthouses would cost new).

The tl;dr: I'd expect roundabout 600-700 bucks for a fully kitted out OG Vive in parts; often you can get an OG Vive with a DAS already attached for similar pricing as one without. The WA easily doubling the price tho... 😬

[azure marlin]

Does anyone know how to fix my tracking on my quest one? I link it to my pc and it tends to bug out and my controllers specifically my left one just bug out constantly

[cedar belfry]

i need a new phone

[warm stirrup]

If they don't add Google cardboard support, I'm going to be disappointed

[cedar belfry]

Alright, WHO DID THIS

[cedar belfry]

I'll just install the Quest version of VRChat. I did last time

[rancid kestrel]

Dang, that's wild.

[cedar belfry]

rip, i don't wanna pay for vrc+

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, I'd rather just run the SteamLink app on the Switch and play the full PC version. Tho definetly interested in trying this out myself once the VRC+ requirement get's lifted

[weak bluff]

you need 6GB of RAm to run this

[lusty dagger]

If you want to actually use it, more than that even

[eternal warren]

Is there a way to get vive business streaming (or just Vive 3 in general) working on linux?

[haughty thistle]

If ALVR is a thing on the Focus 3 then you should be able to use that. Afaik ALVR is the only standalone streamer that has a working client for Linux. All alternatives (Vive Business Streaming, Quest/Air Link, Pico Streaming Assistent, Virtual Desktop, etc.) all require Windows because they only come with Windows compatible SteamVR drivers...

That said, I'm not sure if ALVR is available for the Focus 3. On top of that ALVR is generally not that great of a streaming client to begin with (not very efficient video encoding, just to name one issue). At least it's open source

[tranquil girder]

What software do you use for full body tracking? Driver4VR? Amythest?

[molten solar]

its struggles even on 8GB ram

[molten solar]

also i think u need like android 10 or smth

[cedar belfry]

I have Android 12

[molten solar]

hmm weird

[weak bluff]

do you have CPU equivalent or better than Snap XR2

[cedar belfry]

no it's cuz i have a 3GiB phone

[sullen linden]

I have a Valve Index (warrenty expired) that has pretty much reached the end of its life. I'm looking into the Bigscreen Beyond, but I want to know what other options are out there for me. I'm looking more into comfort, and the Index is a bit heavy for me. It's not a big issue, but it'd be nice to have something lighter. I spend a lot of time in VRChat, but I also play a lot of other games. Any reccommendations?

[weak bluff]

Beyond is peak comfort

alternatively maybe Arpara 5K?

Not enough review and presence for Arpara

[burnt oasis]

beyond tbh

serious uplifts in comfort, visuals, and colors, and better mic too, downgrade in fov and need headphones or earbuds

[haughty thistle]

Because they basically scammed their Kickstarter backers. They never sent out units to their Kickstarter backers and just randomly started selling it regularly in China.
Wouldn't recommend buying from them for that reason alone

[weak bluff]

at least its possible to get them outside kickstarter

[haughty thistle]

The XR2 and 865 are very similar in terms of GPU and CPU spec (just the XR2 being higher clocked)

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but still...

[weak bluff]

im gonna wait for Bigscreen Beyond first discount

they say never buy first gen product so the successor will probably be a lot better

[burnt oasis]

it'll take years tho

[weak bluff]

while I wait i guess i will treat myself with used Index

[gloomy crater]

Meanwhile me with used index, hoping desperately that something will come along and free me from this prison

I just want something that's SteamVR native like the index, but with better visuals, is that so much to ask for?

[warm stirrup]

Durability is more important to me

[weak bluff]

better headset but do you have the hardware to run the upgraded headset

[warm stirrup]

Or money to even buy upgraded headset lol

[weak bluff]

What will better sell is the Nintendo of VR

[gloomy crater]

I mean, maybe? 5900X + 6950XT is my current setup

[weak bluff]

great software but eh hardware

Nintendo is an example of profit in both selling the hardware and software without being loss leader and leading in hardware tech

[gloomy crater]

u right u right. I graduated from college thinking it would help me get a job but still unemployed three months later, hence why I can't replace my index controllers. VR is kind of an expensive hobby I've come to realize. My car pricing excursions have desensitized me I guess

[weak bluff]

that is more like economy problem post pandemic and recession is the WORST time to graduate

just ask post 2008 financial crisis graduates

[warm stirrup]

But sells mariokart for 60 bucks, never goes on deal, bans streamers and ytbers just for playing their game in content, and ignores a huge issue with their controllers that costs ppl to either engineer their own solution or spend another 60 usd

[weak bluff]

oh well but this is Valve we talking abotu so we just hoep Valve level of pro consumer

HLA is not even $60

[warm stirrup]

It was like 60 or 70 last time I checked

For 2

[weak bluff]

nope check steamDB

unless you live in those countries

yuck

it sucks being a Swiss gamer

[gloomy crater]

Yup, seems that way. Building and troubleshooting computers, especially working with them every day, is worse now that I have a certificate in computer support lol. I don't wanna spend time messing with VR software anymore because it reminds me of my OS courses, haha

[weak bluff]

oh wait i did not realise there are sizable countried above $60 price tag

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/540842981695946762.webp?size=48&name=thinkjoy&quality=lossless

[gloomy crater]

w o w

[weak bluff]

go open a bank accont in Argentina

buy HLA for $10

or in Turkey

[little plinth]

Don't even need to do this

You can use a regular old visa card from anywhere kek

But of course using argentinian bank account reduces

Chances of getting banned

[weak bluff]

you need to switch region plus have that region card

after that buy with VPN

[little plinth]

Not really, i used mine to buy in indian steam and my visa card isn't from there

I also did that with youtube premium

Speaking of regional pricing
Assetto corsa was 17 cents in Argentina a while back lmfao

A whopping 98% discount

[haughty thistle]

That GPU might already limit your options. Varjo Headsets for example straight up won't work on AMD GPUs, the Pimax 8k X is limited to 75Hz on native for AMD GPUs and the Native resolution option doesn't reliably work on AMD.
Just to name 3 examples that spring to mind...

[weak bluff]

Without being big name AMD by default does not work

Arpara (I know you hate it) also does not work on AMD

[haughty thistle]

Don't get me wrong. I don't purposefully hate on AMD. I'd love to have the option to go either of the RGB teams. But tis the sad reality of VR 😔

[charred river]

wait so amd make vr go bye bye?
or am i just failing to get into this conversation very late

[weak bluff]

AMD only works on mainstream VR headsets

they also sometimes get issues and fixes late

[charred river]

soooooo, if we talking q2?

[weak bluff]

Quest 2 works

All Meta, HTC, Valve works

[haughty thistle]

Well, even on HTC Vive you can get some flakey behaviour on some of their headsets with AMD. At least the Vive Pro 2 does...

[gloomy crater]

I'm more concerned about the actual performance potential than compatibility. I'm not planning on buying a headset from either of those companies so I should be good. The two I'm looking at right now are the Bigscreen Beyond and the Somnium One. The Beyond looks nice, but I'm really concerned about the FOV. I've been using my Quest 1 recently since my index controllers are broken, and it's made me become painfully aware of how used to the index's FOV I am. Somnium looks like the best bet honestly, so as long as it works with AMD there shouldn't be an issue

[molten solar]

my friend can run it on a snapdragon 665 so i don't rly see hardware being the issue

unless if vrc android doesn't support soc's outside of snapdragons

[lusty dagger]

Vive trackers.

If you want not actual fbt, get standable fbe, imo a lot better than anything driver 4vr can offer.

Cause the kinect based stuff can either only see you directly facing it, or f. E. Not stuff like sitting/laying down.

Standable isnt fbt obv, but it at least understands that you can turn your head seperate from the body and can lay down and stuff, i actually like it a lot.

[little plinth]

Can standable be combined with actual FBT solutions to increase accuracy

[lusty dagger]

When they Update that, yes, im currelty not following their development, but the have it planned

[weak bluff]

Possible

But no one done it yet

[lusty dagger]

Until v2 its not possible.

And they are working on it.

[little plinth]

my lenses are here

its so nice not using glasses

oh

back to square one in motion sickness resistance

[rustic garnet]

isn't that just normal when getting new prescription glasses

[little plinth]

But the prescription is like

The same as my glasses

[gloomy crater]

Well yeah. My contact lenses are the same prescription as my glasses, but my vision is still messed up every time I put in my contacts. I think it's something to do with the distance the lenses are from your eyes or something, idk

[charred river]

anyone posible know why my quest + steam vr is running at like 15 fps

[weak bluff]

too little context open task manager see what task take most

[haughty thistle]

Also what GPU and CPU you have would be helpful

[haughty thistle]

Not necessarily. There's also what's called "High-Index value". The higher this value the thinner and lighter the lenses, but also the more distortions they introduce to your vision.
It's very likely the glasses from @little plinth have a different High-Index Value compared to the inserts they got. Then ofc it's gonna cause some motion sickness. Had to go through that myself IRL when my current glasses had a different High-Index compared to all my previous glasses 😅

[little plinth]

just takes some dimenhydrate to fix

[rustic garnet]

Optical systems can't be boiled down to just a +/- prescription

[rancid kestrel]

This is a really stupid idea, but imagine using RT in VR where it can simulate the lenses and stuff to create a better image.

[mint vine]

Something like this but applied to VR?
https://news.mit.edu/2014/new-display-technology-automatically-corrects-for-vision-defects-0731

[little plinth]

Problem with those on mobile devices

People with different level of refractive error in each eye

I assume would be strict on viewing angle too

But it can work on VR headsets

[haughty thistle]

Also this was 2014. If it was viable for mass production you'd think they'd be pumping these out by now...

[warm stirrup]

I was running windows 7 in 2014 lol

[haughty thistle]

Besides: what's so bad with vision correction lenses or just designing a headset to be compatible with glasses?

[little plinth]

using glasses would be inferior and immersion breaking even if the headset can accomodate

attachable lenses are pricy and only works on one headset

contact lenses is the way

[haughty thistle]

Not if the headset is accomedating enough. The Vive Pro 1 with it's default foam was prolly the most usable with glasses. It was like not even wearing glasses (only meant a reduced FOV due to the lenses being further out)

It had actual cutouts for glasses on the left and right. That's what I mean by "accomadating for glasses". Most headsets don't do that, and a lot not even spacing for glasses. Forget using the CV1 with glasses. That thing is gonna scratch your glasses like they're made of butter...

[haughty thistle]

Not every prescription can have contacts, and not everybody can use them. Besides, I don't wanna put anything into my eyes. Even if it's for vision correction...

[little plinth]

if you only have one headset attachable lenses is the best option

[haughty thistle]

I'd be honest, a proper correction lens that is adjusted to my prescription seems a lot better of an idea then some wishy washy diopted wheel on the lens. Not to mention that that wheel can only adjust for diopter, but I need astig adjustment too 🙃

[little plinth]

but it'll suck when you wanna switch headset

i'd need to remake my lense if i ever switch to Q3 from my Pico 4

unless it's possible to simply refit it to the new frame if the Q3's frame is smaller

[haughty thistle]

The prices of inserts really depends on your prescription. Mine only cost 70 bucks, which in light of a VR headset cost is nothing...

[little plinth]

mine is 40

though yea i guess it's cheap compared to the headset

and mine is done in like 4 days

still it'll be wasted if you ever switch headset

which just doesn't sit right with me

just feels, wrong

[haughty thistle]

Where the heck did you get yours? VRO is making some nice high quality inserts and 70€ (including shipping & tax) is literally the cheapest they offer with prescriptions...

[little plinth]

local

[haughty thistle]

Can always sell the thing with the headset as either a lens protector for when not in use or for them to bring the frame to their optician for new lenses...

[little plinth]

someone in a VR enthusiast group of my country also makes these lenses

so it's cheaper and quicker

[haughty thistle]

Huh...

[little plinth]

only serve locally though

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, figured as much...

[little plinth]

cheaper and quicker for me
also supports local business at the same time kek

win win

[haughty thistle]

VRO is about as local as I can get, aside from printing insert frames myself and bringing them to my optician...

They're based in Germany...

[little plinth]

these lenses are awesome
it's like you're free

my glasses was

so so annoying

made a lot of light bleed

and also annoying when i wanna take off the headset, it being stuck to the facial interface

[haughty thistle]

The only headsets I've used where glasses were no problem were the OG Vive and Vive Pro 1, but both only with the foam they came with. Quest Pro was fine after fenagling in, but it's a pain to put on with glasses. Varjo Aero and the Reverb G2 were also both fine with only minimal discomfort after hours. Index always felt too wobbly on my face so I was worried it'd scratch my glasses, and Pimax (all of them), OG WMR and the Rift CV1 were all unusable with glasses...

*should mention the Aero and CV1 were also both a pain to put on and off with glasses, just like the Quest Pro...

[weak bluff]

https://twitter.com/ZGFTECH/status/1694280847287869912?t=VNRAfQYhR8pIL6ABxxJV7g&s=19

VR Panda. Alex From CHN (@ZGFTECH)

Quest 3 leaked early again #metaquest #Quest3

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Twitter · Aug 23, 2023, 9:30 AM

[rancid kestrel]

"leaked"

[late vortex]

I want it

[next trench]

Yes

[weak bluff]

https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1694321930650759430?s=20

Brad Lynch (@SadlyItsBradley)

Very cool to see lens depth adjustment confirmed in Quest 3

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Twitter · Aug 23, 2023, 12:13 PM

Also today I learned Windows 10 does not support Wi-Fi 6E nor Wi-Fi 7

if meta ever gonna use them for Oculus Link then Meta must have Oculus Software run on Windows 11

[little plinth]

Does that matter

If you use ethernet

For the PC

[cedar belfry]

bsr 311d0
fun map, angles and bomb resets included
beat saber is funnn

[rustic garnet]

do u mean correcting for lens distortion with real time ray tracing

that absolutely doesn't need to be in real time because the hardware setup doesn't change

there's a precalculated correction profile as part of the headset driver

[rancid kestrel]

Did I say it was a good idea?

[rustic garnet]

well no ..

[rancid kestrel]

It could potentially be adjusted for eye movements and prescriptions though.

[rustic garnet]

oh that's true, i didn't even think about the pupil moving around

[rancid kestrel]

It's an interesting idea, but it's not very practical.

[haughty thistle]

It does for incoming Wifi. At least p. sure it does.
Plus, like Fionya said, it doesn't really matter. Letting your PC host the Wifi isn't ideal (causes a lot of CPU overhead and makes the experience very stuttery; trust me I tried), so you'd want your PC connected via LAN to a dedicated Wifi AP just for your Quest anyways.
I assume the only reason the AirBridge dongle works is because it's being directly controlled by the Oculus PC software and doesn't host an actual Wifi, moreso it only does the bare minimum for Wireless PCVR (still not as ideal as a dedicated Wifi AP tho)

[devout anvil]

yo

is it worth getting a decent Wifi 6E PCIe card for wireless PC VR? I plan to buy my first VR headset (meta quest 3) in December and I also want to use it for PC a lot.

[haughty thistle]

Rather just buy a decent Wifi 6E AP or Router and plug it between your PC and rest of the network. Trust me, you'll get a bazillion times better results then using a Windows Hotspot, no matter the hardware...

[devout anvil]

how exactly would that work? Do I just place the router in my room and done?

[haughty thistle]

You'd have to configure it to be a different Wifi name compared to the rest of the network, and you'd have to make sure there's a LAN connection between it and your PC. Lastly only connect the Quest to that Routers Wifi 5/6/6E endpoints. But those are all things easily looked up (or even mentioned the manual)

[lime bone]

Does anyone use a KVM extender across rooms , if so any recommendations?

[devout anvil]

does it need connection with the main router?

[haughty thistle]

If you want internet on your Quest and PC then yes. But again: only over LAN

[devout anvil]

sadly LAN is no option for me because my router is sever meters away. I'm already connected via powerline adapter. That's why I thought about a decent Wi-Fi 6E PCIe card

and then connect via windows hotspot with that 80mhz / 160mhz workaround

well can you recommend any decent routers below 80€?

[dull tide]

You don’t need a router just an AP. Technically you can reconfigure a decent router into an AP if used.

[haughty thistle]

Well, from the powerline adapter you get a LAN cable. That you can plug into that Quest Router and plug your PC into that Quest Router as well. The router can act as a network switch connecting your PC and Quest to the rest of the network through your existing powerline setup and the Quest get's it's own Wifi

[haughty thistle]

The benefit of using a Router tho is that they usually have a built in network switch when configured in AP mode

[dull tide]

that and used routers are more common that used APs at least online and in stores.

although getting a PoE AP to use in a different room is just damn nice.

[devout anvil]

i'm connected via wifi to that powerline adapter

[dull tide]

my AP is set in the living room with more room and cooling. I use a laptop to 'remote' into my main gaming PC.

then again i play slower VR games.

[little plinth]

you only need LAN connection to the dedicated AP

[devout anvil]

so my current situation is: PC connected via wifi to powerline adapter in the next room

[little plinth]

your PC can stay connected via Wi-Fi to the internet

[devout anvil]

either decent PCIe card or extra router for my room

[weak bluff]

powerline quality is between wired ethernet and wifi

[devout anvil]

tho router is way more expensive

[weak bluff]

how much is your powerline bandwidth?

[devout anvil]

theoretical throughput?

i think its 1300mbps

[weak bluff]

wait you only use powerline for internet no Link is used on it right

in that case it does not matter

[devout anvil]

hmm?

[weak bluff]

so its your PC --wifi--> router --wifi--> headset?

is that your current setup

[devout anvil]

powerline is in the next room. Connected via ethernet to my sisters PC and wireless to my pc (roughly 1.50m distance)

[devout anvil]

I have no VR headset yet so im planning

but probably yes

[weak bluff]

ok so taht is your plan

[devout anvil]

but powerline

latency

and its in the next room

[weak bluff]

your pc connected to your sister's... pc?

[devout anvil]

no

Powerline Wired > My sister's PC
Powerline Wireless > My PC

[weak bluff]

it is recommended to go like this
PC --ethernet--> router --wifi--> headset

can you do that

[devout anvil]

by router you mean main router?

[weak bluff]

access point or switch works too

[devout anvil]

that's not possible. my main router is 10m away from my PC. not even 2.4 GHz signal is reaching it

[weak bluff]

hmm and your planned headset is?

[devout anvil]

Meta Quest 3

(wifi 6e so I thought about getting wifi 6e PCIe card for direct connection)

some windows tuning and it should work?

[weak bluff]

instead of that maybe buy a router instead

a router on top of spreading wifi ccan act as receiver too

[devout anvil]

wait

lemme canva that rq

[weak bluff]

you can use wifi router connected to your pc and act as wifi adapter

and to create own wifi for Quest

[devout anvil]

do i need additional setup or is it plug, configure and play?

[weak bluff]

you need setup but new router should be easy to do

[devout anvil]

i dont need any wifi contract?

[weak bluff]

its simply use app or log into address and pick optiosn what you want the router to do

router have multiple operating mode

onee of those mode is use as wifi receiver

[haughty thistle]

Wouldn't recommend that though. For a Wireless PCVR you'd want the Quest to be the only Wifi device on the routers 5GHz and/or 6GHz bands...

And if you use a router as a Wifi bridge it will use 5GHz for better latency and performance

[weak bluff]

So... That's my solution right?

[devout anvil]

so would this be my setup then?

[weak bluff]

Yeah

[haughty thistle]

That would work, yes.

[devout anvil]

but a PCIe card could work too? (but overall slower and only with workarounds)

[haughty thistle]

You would need to occasionally connect your Quest to your main router for updates and such, but that'd be a minor nuisance

[weak bluff]

Bit different i suggested is i would use that addition to connect WiFi but either way works

[little plinth]

some router has wifi extender features

which allow your quest to also get internet

[devout anvil]

my main router is the Vodafone Station (Cable Internet)

[haughty thistle]

It would not. The Problem with that is, that Windows would act as a router and it bogs down CPU resources so much that the PC can#t keep up encoding the frames for the VR link anymore. Trust me, I tried.

[devout anvil]

my cpu is quite powerful

(i think)

[haughty thistle]

I tried it on an i7 10850H 🙃

[devout anvil]

is that a laptop cpu?

[haughty thistle]

Yes, but a really powerful one

[devout anvil]

I have a Ryzen 7 5800x

[little plinth]

it's on the lower end nowadays though performance wise considering it's a laptop 10th gen cpu

even a desktop 12100F would beat it

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, but Windows Hotspot is really CPU intensive

[haughty thistle]

Doubt that

[little plinth]

12100F beats 10900k in single threaded workload so there's that

and even in some games

alder lake was simply that good

or am i mistaking it for 12400F

[haughty thistle]

The more data you send over Windows Hotspot the more CPU it takes up. It's multi-Threaded, so SPC doesn't matter. Air Link and VD just send so much data that Windows can't keep up

[weak bluff]

It is but should also say does not mean 12100 can replace it out you make it sound like userbenchmark lol

[devout anvil]

what if?

[little plinth]

eitherway the 10850H is underpowered by today's standard

[weak bluff]

So wifi wifi

[haughty thistle]

I can try later VD over Windows Hotspot on my Main Rig (Wifi 6E on the mobo; Ryzen 5900X), but I doubt the experience would be any better. It's especially bad when the Wifi is also used to connect the PC to the internet

[devout anvil]

I mean what latency is good for pcvr? below 40ms?

[haughty thistle]

Only when going PC -> LAN -> dedicated AP for Quest (with the Quest as the only device on that Wifi)

[devout anvil]

could that setup work?

[little plinth]

the 5800X is a decent chunk faster and has two extra dedicated cores
i'd still get a dedicated router but PCIe might work also

[devout anvil]

my onboard only allows 20mhz tho

[haughty thistle]

I don't think this would yied any good result. You're sharing the same Wifi antenna for both sending to the Quest and receiving from another device. Not only does that increase latency, but also reduces bandwidth. I'd not recommend

[little plinth]

below 40ms is really hard to achieve via Wi-Fi

even my fully wired setup does like 35ms even over 40ms

[haughty thistle]

Even I get 50ms on my Quest Pro, and I do have a dedicated Router literally just for the Quest 🙃

[devout anvil]

well OK i guess i'd get a router then

[little plinth]

PC -- Ethernet -- Switch -- Ethernet -- Headset is my setup

[devout anvil]

if router seems to be the best option amongst all of them

headset via ethernet?

[little plinth]

USB ethernet adapter

[haughty thistle]

You can't do that on Quest. It's a Pico thing

[weak bluff]

I read someone tried that on quest 2 it no longer works

[little plinth]

wait quest can't do that?

[haughty thistle]

It never worked on Quest

[devout anvil]

what if I just get a Link Cable from third party? My case has a USB-C 3.1 port and my mobo has a USB-C 3.2 port

[little plinth]

i'd prefer wifi since you can use virtual desktop

you'd be stuck with oculus link using a cable

[weak bluff]

As someone with 3rd party it is fine but non fiber optic are quite thick

[devout anvil]

i'm still torn between oculus airlink and VD.

[weak bluff]

And i broke 3 cables already lol

[devout anvil]

many say VD is better

ok i guess additional router it is

so, which router to get?

[little plinth]

very DIY but works

can charge at the same time too

hence the silver adapter

[devout anvil]

Cyberpunk 2077

[haughty thistle]

Meta has basically their own Network stack written. The benefit is that it allows them to do things like the Quest Pro controllers and lower the latency for Air Link, but as a downside they got rid of LAN drivers and VPN support

Quest Link is honestly not that bad....

[little plinth]

wait no VPN too?

[devout anvil]

why a VPN for wireless PCVR?

[little plinth]

i hesitate on Quest 3 more and more ngl

VPN not for PCVR

more for standalone

[devout anvil]

oh ok

[little plinth]

going around shitty geoblocks

[devout anvil]

there are geoblocks on vr

[little plinth]

you'd need to setup router based VPN on a quest

not really on the games

it's for watching netflix

[haughty thistle]

They do have VPN support, just their own custom thing. Can't use any standard Android VPN app tho

[little plinth]

i just sideload windscribe on my pico

[devout anvil]

how much should I invest into a router for PCVR

[little plinth]

i heard many recommend the Asus AX55

[haughty thistle]

Max 80 bucks. Otherwise just get the Quest link cable

[little plinth]

the AX55 is pretty cheap

there's also the AX53 if you wanna go even cheaper but i have no idea about the performance of it

[devout anvil]

should I go for wifi 6E since the Q3 will support it or is wifi 6 decent enough

i mean it only affects bitrate?

[little plinth]

i'm not sure if WiFi 6e will have any latency benefit tbh

[devout anvil]

whats the latency on wifi 6

[little plinth]

@haughty thistle got 50ms on the QPro

[devout anvil]

which router

well im in germany so everythings a bit more expensive

quest 3 isn't 499€, it's 569€

[weak bluff]

We have no idea how Wifi 6E runs

You should wait for the headset to be released for a bit for reviews

[weak bluff]

American price tag does not include taxes that seems right

[little plinth]

are you going to use the standalone feature that often

i'd just find a reverb G2 tbh

it should be plenty in europe

i think

[devout anvil]

i will use standalone and pcvr

[weak bluff]

Maybe try ask in #networking

Nerdy people might call you too frugal then come back

[devout anvil]

i'd rather stay here then

[little plinth]

i'd ask on VD server lel

people on dedicated niche channel like audio, keyboard, and networking...

have

different standards

to say the least

[devout anvil]

tplink has much stuff to offer

[little plinth]

tplink has unknown stutter issue

[devout anvil]

i can relate. powerline

every 10 mins it becomes a stutterfest

[little plinth]

asus AX55 is the best bang for your buck option tbh

[devout anvil]

lemme check that out

100€

[little plinth]

from where

[devout anvil]

Amazon DE

used router

[little plinth]

now i remember why i left europe

[devout anvil]

Lol

[little plinth]

AX53 @devout anvil

it's a slightly cheaper model of the AX55

[devout anvil]

what about

[little plinth]

no idea but

it seems good

[devout anvil]

whats important

wifi 6

[little plinth]

and cheaper than the AX55

[devout anvil]

dual band?

[little plinth]

it should be above the AX55

[devout anvil]

seems to be alright

i'd consider that as an option

[little plinth]

why the fuck is it so cheap

[devout anvil]

?

[little plinth]

it's like 170

supposed to be

[devout anvil]

that router?

its reduced

[little plinth]

yeah i'd get that

because it's discounted

[devout anvil]

why do they have spiders

ok that router is overkill

[devout anvil]

OK i'll consider that for now. maybe it changes

thanks

[little plinth]

i wonder if pico will make a pico 5

[devout anvil]

probably

[little plinth]

does the pico 4 sell well

[devout anvil]

pico 4 is considered as one of the best options for pcvr

maybe because of its "cheap" price

[haughty thistle]

It isn't that great in my experience. It's prolly better for PCVR then the Quest 2, but I sure as heck don't share the opinion of MRTV that the Pico 4 is better then the Quest Pro. It isn't even close...

[little plinth]

when did you get that pico 4 btw

since there's the november 2022 batch

that's faulty

[haughty thistle]

January

[little plinth]

my educated guess is around a million unit of global sales including china
i think

[haughty thistle]

It wasn't just the hardware. Software was also atrocious. VD made most of that mute, but that romscale setup was broken, half the time it had rando issues with my Wifi, the menu was blurry AF, activating passthrough would crash VD, etc...

[little plinth]

passthrough never crashed my VD

[haughty thistle]

Plus there was the Tracking debakle. When I got it Tracking was unusable. Then the initial update fixed that, not quite as good as WMR, but usuable, then came an update a day before I returned it and tracking was so out of whack, the thing became unusable...

[little plinth]

the menu is perfectly clear, setting up boundary never been a hassle
no idea about wifi
only one i hate is streaming assistant

CPU guzzler

[haughty thistle]

Streaming assistant is unusable. The highest res it allows is lower then Index res. Blurry AF...

[little plinth]

for controllers, it has received many updates

but i can't say about the quality of it

i don't have a frame of reference other than my memory of using friend's Q2 a while back

[haughty thistle]

In general I kinda get the feeling that quality VR is getting more and more expensive, while the actual affordable stuff is only getting worse with each generation. I have my doubts about the Quest 3 controllers being all that usable in Beat Saber, if the Quest Pro already struggles in that game...

[little plinth]

i mean Q2 is

heavily

subsidized

[weak bluff]

I just want to see Quest 3 reviews

Imagine tracking suck for BSaber then lawsuits comes

[devout anvil]

there are already unboxing videos

[weak bluff]

I know i literally posted here

That tells nothing much

[rustic garnet]

I never understood how that works

[devout anvil]

well it tells something

[strong vortex]

Tips on beating/easing motion sickness in VR? I can do static games (eg Beat Saber) and teleport/snap-turn games just fine but smooth movement/turning will cause issues within minutes. I don't have any "technical" issues (like low FPS or reprojection).
I'd like to try and fix this cause there's lots of fun stuff to do that mostly require smooth movement, like Skyrim VR and such

[little plinth]

Exposure

Play more, buiild resistance

To help ease symptoms, use anti motion sickness drug like dimenhydrinate

[devout anvil]

drugs for gaming?

[little plinth]

it's not some scary drug

it's usually used for travelling

but also works for VR motion sickness

[rose peak]

Work your way up to it over time

[harsh niche]

sales tax is different everywhere state/county level so it’s just easier to show the price then add on tax once location is important during checkout

[tawdry dove]

I mostly don't like smooth turn even though motion sickness isn't a problem for me

But just putting yourself in games that make you motion sick is the best way

Don't puke or anything but the more time you get in there the less it will effect you

[rustic garnet]

So u don't know how much you're actually gonna pay??

like sales tax here in sweden is about 20% iirc that'd be a huge discrepancy between price tag and bank withdrawal

i guess tax is lower in america than here though

[harsh niche]

Locally I do

but if I go anywhere I’m not familiar with or haven’t researched then it’ll be a surprise until they give me the total at checkout

it varies more state to state than county to county

like where I live it’s 8.75% and California’s base tax level is like 7% or something

I believe that 1.75% goes to either my city or the county itself I’m not sure

7% goes to state gov

it’s weird

then places like Oregon have 0 sales tax

some places have 0 income tax too

[dull tide]

Built up resistance. A lot of water and a fan blowing toward you help massively

[strong vortex]

Damn I might have to buy a small fan then, the only one I have is way too big to use when in VR

Or get one of those shitty laptop usb fans, plug it to the headset and aim it and my neck idk lmao

[rancid kestrel]

Honestly with the motion sickness do something you can sit down with, eventually you'll get used to it.

[dull tide]

Big fan, lower speeds, less noise and buffering

Part of it too is the narrower field of view too

[strong vortex]

the problem with the big fan is that it's huge and i'm severely space-limited, it's fine for when i'm sitting down on my desktop but when i have to make room for standing VR and moving around it's a health hazard

[gloomy crater]

Well this sucks. I can't play VR or exert myself at all for like a week bc the surgeon doesn't want my mouth sutures popping out. My muscle memory boutta be horrible by the time I'm healed enough to play again.

[strong vortex]

man it really is hard to develop motion sickness resistance

turned on smooth movement on a game for a bit, only like 5-10mins, and 8hs later i'm still feeling a bit wobbly

[sullen linden]

Hey yall, I'm looking for the small community of piemax users out there. I love the idea of 200° vr, and I'll do anything to get it. All I play is bonelab, blade and sorcery, and sometimes some other games and recroom. I also don't mind having to do some troubleshooting to get things to work. I currently have a quest 2 and all I use it for is link. Also I have a 4070 so I'm not to worried about pc power. I have a vr pully system and everything I got the whole shebang. I want to upgrade, and I really like fov. So I'd rather have the piemax than the index. Also I'm currently looking at the 5k super. Is there any noticeable difference between the 5k super and the quest 2 graphics? I don't really care about the graphics that much, but I don't want it to be like a world's difference yk.

[rustic garnet]

Yeah u should never push yourself too far quit as soon as you start feeling ill

[weak bluff]

oh dear pimax user

Any native headset will have better image quality than Quest 2

im saying this as i just suffered awful bitrate yesterday

[haughty thistle]

Honestly, I feel like Pimax has kinda turned into a cult. You're either brainwashed by the big corp to absolutely love every single thing they pump out, completely ignoring the laundry list of issues, or you absolutely hate them.
Don't get me wrong, I love that FOV too, but that's about all positive I can say about them. Had tried the 5k Super and the 8k X, and while the 8k X was a bit better, it still wasn't nearly as good as literally anything else I tried to that point. The color calibration on both was off and everything looked kinda washed out (and despite what some Pimax shills say, changing software settings only mushes the colors further out in the physically limited color range of the displays), the 5k Super was really dim no matter the brightness setting and it also had a really extreme contrast to it I couldn't get away, You will not find any space for glasses in either of these headsets (so if you're one of those you can already forget a comfortable experience), the 5k Super panels aren't fast enough for anything more then 120Hz (just turns into a blur beyond that), and the lenses are kinda crapshoot. Glare basically hiding most of the outer FOV as soon as there's anything bright on screen, the focus plane is really wavy and the center isn't in focus (it's more like a ring around the center)...

Lastly, the MAS headstrap is feels like an Offbrand Vive Pro strap. The Vive Pro imo is one of the most comfortable headsets, but that's because the strap is self balancing and has really plush foam in the back. Neither of which the Pimax equivalent achieves (hard foam, and not at all balanced). The Vive Pro strap also has a bit of resistance moving the strap up and down, this is for tilt adjustment, the Pimax one is floppy like a soggy spaghetti...

And this is all without even mentioning the janky software not properly working half the time
I seriously can't comprehend how anyone finds this experience acceptable at the prices they're charging. If it were cheaper, and they'd at least be honest about their issues, then maybe? But as it stands rn, they feel more like a bunch of liars pushing out garbo to keep their most loyal fans happy...

[rustic garnet]

so switching gears to a more reputable hardware manufacturer, can anyone give me a quick recap on what valve is cooking with the deckard i dont really feel like watching bradley for an hour

[weak bluff]

nothing

brad is just data mining

and data mine have history of being unused

[haughty thistle]

Yeah. All that the data mining reveals is what Valve is toying around with internally and too stupid to remove from prod builds. It doesn't indicate on what hw they actually intend on putting in a potential Index successor. Same goes with patents and whatnot...

[little plinth]

So.. turns out my left eye is getting worse

The prescription i got 6 month ago is already getting outdated
Meaning the lenses for my pico i got a week ago is about to be useless already

A very unlucky turn of events

Though idk why it gets worse.
I'm afraid if using VR has anything to do with it

If it's my VR headset my right eye should be getting worse too

[haughty thistle]

Tru dat

[lusty dagger]

[soft hound]

Well, a lot of what Chickenbread already said on this is true, but there's some things I'd like to chime in, as someone with hundreds of hours on an 8KX

1. That FOV is not horizontal, it's a diagonal FOV, but it's big nonetheless (I can't switch to my index anymore, as it feels like looking through binoculars). It also, however, requires you rendering at the "large" FOV setting, which has a lot of extra rendering to do for what it effectively a small blurry image at the edge of the lenses. "Normal" FOV is much better overall, since you lose very little visually, but your GPU won't be screaming

2. The work required to get the headset to a usable level was extremely high for me. I'm talking experimental firmware that bricked my headset, followed by DMing Pimax support to send me new firmware, and entering recovery mode to flash that firmware. I had to do software offsets for the IPD, which took a good hour or two. Finally, I had to buy a Modmic, as the in-built microphone is awful, like, worse than Vive awful

3. Regarding what was said about comfort, yes, the headstrap is a clone of the Vive's, however the back foam (while hard at first) gets softer over time. After about a week of daily use, the back foam on mine became nice and squishy, and the headset no longer felt like it was hurting the back of my head

Now, all of this stuff happened over the course of the first couple of (painful) weeks. However, now that I'm well past that, the experience has been (mostly) seamless. I just launch PiTool, and launch SteamVR, and things are fine. The FOV is amazing, though it takes a bit to get used to the distortion (about a week for me). I really don't notice it anymore, so that's all good. Also, as a side note, make sure you get the DMAS version (if for some reason you choose to buy one), as it's the only one with an amp for the headphones, and they honestly sound totally fine, to the point I don't even miss my Index's audio

So yeah, the Pimax experience is awful at first, it really is. However, once you get everything dialed-in, it's fairly clean. There are some drawbacks though, mainly connectivity, as the base stations and controllers will no longer turn off when you exit SteamVR, and you can't see battery percentages on any software (OVR Toolkit and FPSVR won't show anything), so your controllers and trackers will just suddenly die without warning. I love my 8KX now, and can safely say I won't switch to any other headset any time soon, strictly because of how great the FOV is, but I did have severe buyer's remorse for the first week or two, so just a heads up.

[sullen linden]

I see. Thanks man for making all this it really helps. I'll definitely be getting the dmas version. Honestly, I really don't mind even if it takes 3 ish weeks to get working fine. I just want a good pcvr headset with good fov. The 8kx is too expensive for me, because I don't have index controllers and base stations currently. So I'm going to buy the 5k super, and buy everything else with it. Only thing was I was worried about yk spending close to or over 1000$ on a headset for it to either be not good or have unfixable issues. Thanks man, you definitely helped me out big time.

[soft hound]

[rustic fossil]

I've heard about the Pimax 8KX having quality and software issues. Is it the same on the recently launched Crystal?

[haughty thistle]

From what I've heard: yes. Especially QC issues, where prototype plastic lenses were sent out to customers, the headset is just being shoved into an older 8kX box (and because it doesn't fit it breaks the plastic clip that holds in the top strap), a number of functions the headset is supposed to have aren't enabled (like yes, you can enable 120Hz, and software reding the HMD refreshrate will say 120Hz, but rendering is locked to 90Hz, which is what the HMD reports through debug tools), etc.
Y'know, just the usual Pimax stuff...

[rustic fossil]

Oh wow.

I've had my Oculus Rift S for a good five years now, the only thing that broke on me was the built-in microphone, it actually doesn't work anymore. So I had to buy a ModMic wireless.

[haughty thistle]

Maybe a blessing in disguise. The Rift S mic isn't really that great quality wise, and it has that pescy robot-mic issue...

[little plinth]

what are all the options for 2.4GHz dongle headsets

preferably ones that isn't costing an arm and a leg

[rustic fossil]

I'm on a pretty overkill system for VR btw.

[haughty thistle]

Not really. If you're running something like a Reverb G2 or higher res that GPU might honestly be a bit underpowered

[little plinth]

My 3060 struggling to run my pico 4 at medium VD:

DCS required me to use FSR 70% (looks like shit) and Performance Balanced FFR

[rustic garnet]

How do you mean

[little plinth]

Wireless headset/earbuds like the soundcore VR P10

Which uses a usb dongle

And sends it over 2.4GHz

Low latency wireless

[rustic garnet]

oh i figured u meant vr headsets

look in #audio-tech i'd say

i was like "does she want to use airlink over a usb wifi card???"

[haughty sable]

hi bois

my friend is trying to use their quest 2 to use pcvr and they have to use air link

but for some reason it wont recognize his pc

any help would be appreciated

we made sure they are connected to the exact same network and that bluetooth is enabled on both devices

[warm stirrup]

Honestly just use link lol unless u don't have a cable, or you could try VD, airlink is so buggy at least for me

[strong vortex]

Have them go to the desktop Oculus app > Settings > Beta > Restart Oculus

See if that does anything

[haughty sable]

k

[real pasture]

if thats not overkill, then im wondering how tf i was playing mcvr at 30fps with my weak ass pc and being able to record/stream it at the same time and not have significant issues with low framerate/motion sickness

[rustic garnet]

30 fps is a significant issue with low frame rate bruh what u talking abt

[rancid kestrel]

Recording is basically free with modern GPUs (even ones that are pretty old).

[little plinth]

not if you use non-native headsets

nvenc/amf already occupied

unless you have iGPU with QSV

[rancid kestrel]

That counts as a GPU.

[little plinth]

but not the ones used by the VR headset

but the point is if your headset isn't native recording isn't free

but tbh if you have a non native headset just use the standalone recorder

i used a lot of buts

[real pasture]

i suppose its not a problem for me then

then again, im still wondering how tf am i achieving all of this

[real pasture]

oh oke

[haughty thistle]

You can do that on all but the Quest 1 in my experience. The Quest 1 SoC is busy enough decoding the PCVR video stream and can't really handle recording simultaneously as well...

[rancid kestrel]

My 3060 handles recording and wireless fine at the same time.

[little plinth]

depends on FPS and Quality

[rustic garnet]

What hardware

[real pasture]

if i can get iVRy (steam app, windows only) to properly work on linux, ill switch to using my laptop instead

[rustic garnet]

💀

Vr on linux is basically not a thing

[real pasture]

ugh

if only my laptop wasnt so broken that i cant even use windows on it

[rustic garnet]

what

How did that happen

and what specs are you running

[real pasture]

okay so

my laptop is r7 4800h with amd igpu, 32gb ddr4 and a dedicated rtx 3050

but

[rustic garnet]

and wait which headset are you even using if you're using ivry

[real pasture]

whenever i try to install amd igpu drivers

on windows

it either makes it

• bootloop
• bluescreen
• not even boot windows sometimes

[real pasture]

my phone lol
its actually good /srs

[real pasture]

and without these drivers, windows is basically unusable since every display plugs into the amd igpu, not thr dedicated gpu

so no acceleration or anything

[rustic garnet]

So which hardware are you running now and getting 30 fps in minecraft

[real pasture]

i7 2600 😂

[rustic garnet]

integrated gpu??

[real pasture]

and radeon rx 570 with 16gb ddr3

[real pasture]

doesnt have igpu

[real pasture]

30fps in vr mode ofc

[rustic garnet]

yeah okay that sort of figures

minecraft vr is terribly optimized

I assume we're talking about vivecraft

[real pasture]

iirc its the only vr mod that even exists

[rustic garnet]

There is an official vr version on bedrock

or there was at least

[real pasture]

oh

bugrock

[rustic garnet]

i don't think it even had motion control support though

[rustic garnet]

oh please

[real pasture]

I know it does work on ps4 somehow

and ps5

[rustic garnet]

Java is an anthill of bugs

[real pasture]

haha overused stereotype

but on consoles it really sucks

[rustic garnet]

Yeah because bedrock was built for consoles and phones

[real pasture]

my phone runs bedrock better than my ps4 💀

[real pasture]

vr on ps4 sucks, i just saw some people play it

and unofficially its not better either as well

[strong vortex]

what's the point of bedrock without all the modpacks 😔

better to just run vivecraft

[little plinth]

Vivecraft is quite a bit heavier

[strong vortex]

Oh for sure but I just tend to assume almost anyone that does PCVR has a banger PC anyway (since PCVR is pretty resource intensive)

[real pasture]

me:

okay it is playable

[tawdry dove]

the ps4 does happen to be 10 years old by this point

[rancid kestrel]

I found another glitch/exploit in Beat Saber.

If you're about to slice a block backwards you can do a weird twitch movement and still have it count.

[lusty dagger]

Yea thats how some of the heaviest pattetn maps work like the oh no Show off/ticktok map

Basically only Sketchy Cuts

Also if you mean by weird twitch movement, getting in half of the Block the wrong way and hitting it then from the correct orientation, it should be intentional.

As long as its still in hitbox

[lusty dagger]

I dont see pcvr as really recource intensive

Played most games on my Index with my then 1060. It worked.

Cpu tho, you need a good cpu.

Gpu only for really demanding games, minecraft shouldnt really be one of them with vivecraft

[mint vine]

1060 was about the minimum for VR tho, anything below that you risked motion sickness from low fps

[mint vine]

PS4 basically had a HD7850 iirc

[weak bluff]

31 days left for Bigscreen Beyond to ship on time

[lusty dagger]

Either way, disprooves the point that vr alltogether is pretty resource intensive.

[lusty dagger]

You ordered it?

[weak bluff]

nope

[lusty dagger]

[weak bluff]

ima wait for 2nd gen product or discount

[lusty dagger]

I want to get it, but only if i know that it really is that good - heh

[weak bluff]

if first gen product is good then second gen will be way better

[lusty dagger]

Ltt should do a Labs comparision, Pixel response times and stuff

[lusty dagger]

Or like valve, be never released lmao

[weak bluff]

idk if LTT will review it really hope yes

[lusty dagger]

Linus got one

But not sure if it gets a subjective Review (maybe without comparision to Index at all) or a objective one via measurements etc - tho not sure how easy you can do that in a vr hmd...

Filming through the lens isnt really a great indicator tbh.

[weak bluff]

I want through the lens comparisons anyways

[lusty dagger]

Id love to have a Eye Perspektive - cause not a Single ttl comparision i watched about the Index showed how strong the lens glare is. - which is weird.

And dont know why its that way

The Single most annoying thing about the Index imo.

[weak bluff]

All Linus VR review is more about goofying around and having fun rather than review specs with exception to Acer WMR and 2016 headsets

I prefer if Linus review it like Acer headset

[rustic garnet]

it feels like linus is straying from being an actual tech channel and more into a tech themed variety channel

And the tiktokification of even long form video content is a plaque site wide

[little plinth]

people like entertaining content better

[mint vine]

That's been happening ever since Luke left to do floatplane

[haughty thistle]

I wouldn't consider LTT as a informative channel at all these days. Good for entertainment and maybe the occasional "Oh, I haven't heard of this product before", but that's about it.
If ya wanna know hard facts (and not VR related) go to GN

[little plinth]

a lot of the time i fell asleep half way through when watching GN in bed

no i'm not kidding

[haughty thistle]

never said GN was for entertainment

[rustic garnet]

Fr i just skip through a gn video for the graphs

His voice is kind of annoying to listen to ....

[rustic garnet]

but like nowadays with the obnoxious in your face captions in the video intro and removing the animated title card with the laszlo song just feel like they're catering to an audience of younger and younger people with attention spans grilled by growing up with instant on demand content at their fingertips

[little plinth]

Wish VD has foveated encoding also

Like ALVR

It should also lower the decoding load right

[haughty thistle]

Probably increases it, as now you don't decode a single video stream, but possibly 3 (one for the low res bg, and one for each eye in the foveated part)

[little plinth]

don't the encoded video data already include the low res area

why would it be separated

[haughty thistle]

Foveated rendering makes sense for the rendering part, as you can take rendering shortcuts for the parts outside the fovea, or at the very least don't have to compute it to the same precision. With foveated encoding, the best you can get is better utilization of the bandwidth, but at the cost of more compute overhead for encoding and decoding the video streams...

[little plinth]

it seems like it would increase both encoding and decoding

[haughty thistle]

Well, from my understanding the way it works currently is with a fixed function distortion curve applied to the video feed before encoding and after decoding. I'm not sure if you can apply that in a dynamic fassion in a way that's efficient...

[little plinth]

how ALVR's works at least

[haughty thistle]

Oh you mean with fixed foceated encoding. Well, Quest Link, Air Link and VD all are doing that

[little plinth]

i don't see any option for FFE on VD

[haughty thistle]

Meta said (when they first announced Quest Link) that it wouldn't be possible without, and ALVR looks like dogs### without it. VD and Quest/Air Link just have it always on with no way of turning it off

[little plinth]

do they really?
if i record it on standalone there isn't any reduced resolution visible

if i enable FFE on ALVR it is visible on the end recording

[haughty thistle]

It's dynamic foveated encoding I'm not sure is possible, but fixed foveated encoding it already a thing since day one on Quest Link and I'm pretty sure VD does so too...

[little plinth]

FFE on ALVR result in clearly pixelated image on the outer regions

[haughty thistle]

I'm not an expert. Maybe they just don't do it to the same extreme as ALVR are doing it

[haughty thistle]

Maybe it's just slightly blurry on VD?

Doesn't have to be pixelated to be lower res

[little plinth]

i will try to record a video on the standalone and see the result

if it's worse or not

since if i see it myself there would be the lense having less clarity on the edge

damn

my controller batteries dead

got replacement luckily

i really need one of those rechargable AA batteries

[haughty thistle]

Heh. While rechargables don't allow for quick bat swaps they do have one benefit: You can just leave them on a charger and they're fully charged when needed.
You can't do that with NiMH bats (which rechargable AAs usually are)

[little plinth]

these alkaline non rechargable batteries are quire pricy tooo

they last pretty damn long tho

zinc carbon ones are garbo

rn i'm ending up admiring the massive FoV on my pico again lol

since when i'm using glasses i can't use it fully

recorded the video

oops i have to set it to square aspect ratio

16:9 has some warping going on

Recorded on the standalone, VD Medium 87Mbps HEVC

Snapdragon upscaler off

i can't see any quality degradation on the edges

though i may be limited to my 1080p monitor

this thing is 1920x1920 afterall

you can try checking @haughty thistle

[tawdry dove]

I don't see any pixelation looking around the video

though this amount of compression is an oof

It looks like it cleans up a little bit after the first frame

[little plinth]

good enough

it's probably just the recorder

since it's compressed again

[haughty thistle]

Yeah, there is some blur towards the edges. It's not that wide of an edge where it is blurry, but it's definetly there:

(you can see the text getting progressively blurries the closer to the screen edge you go)

[little plinth]

I don't really see it

[haughty thistle]

Right around the word "you" on the second line from the bottom is where I feel like it get's quite noticable

[little plinth]

It can very well be compression artifact

Since FFE can only work through slice or warp.
Not gradual like that

[tawdry dove]

I noticed that but I didn't feel it looked like a drop in resolution, not a large one anyways

[little plinth]

Even if it is FFE the gains would be super miniscule it's pointless

The pico can output HDMI, perhaps i can record with a capture card

To eliminate the recorder's compression

[cedar belfry]

welcome to hitbox calculation

[rancid kestrel]

So it's known that they messed this up, fun.

[cedar belfry]

it's actually a feature imo, like if you mess up and you realise it, you immediately fix the issue

[rancid kestrel]

It makes me wonder if you can get to a point where you don't have to care about the arrows. To me it's like pressing the wrong buttons in Guitar Hero then switching to the right ones...

The popular clone lets you get away with that too and I don't like it.

[cedar belfry]

if you pass with barely any effort or fixed fuckups thennn congratulations you're hated by the entire community for cheesing

[rancid kestrel]

If the community dislikes people with skill I'm glad I'm not a part of it...

[cedar belfry]

No, you are praised for having decent skill, that is until you're caught cheesing (if you cheese ofc)

[gloomy crater]

There's another rhythm game I play (won't mention it bc it's universally hated but I still find it fun) that has a similar feature in older builds where if you're hitting notes at a high enough note speed, the game will forgive a couple instances of mis-hits (hitting the note next to the correct one, at the correct time, and it counting as a hit even though it was the wrong note) this only happened above 10 notes per second and was pretty inconsistent, but I was good at it so I could FC a song back then while actually technically missing like 5 or 6 notes. I'm glad it doesn't happen in the newer versions bc it was kinda broken but yeah

[cedar belfry]

definitely adofai

[real pasture]

why would adofai be hated? i played it and its a cool game

i wonder if adofai would make sense in vr

[little plinth]

is it just me

or do i often see posts of Q2s committing 12VHPWR situation

how the hell do you make USBC melt

considering USBC itself can handle 100w charging without issues

[warm stirrup]

Last time I heard about the USB c burning thing, someone explained that the plug itself is easily broken. Kinda like Nvidia 4090s burning up if they weren't completely in but clicked in

So basically for a lot of models, if you are slightly off with the USB c plug in, it can burn up

Mine never tho

And I had it plugged in basically 24/7 except of course the times I used it

[weak bluff]

I have plugged with 3rd party charger and play at same time a lot of times

[haughty thistle]

I know that on some Pimax models some electronic component near the bottom USB-C port can get so hot that it can start a literal fire inside the headset. There's a picture of that somewhere on reddit...

[weak bluff]

sounds like a short circuit

[haughty thistle]

There wasn't even anything plugged in there, sooo... yeah...

[warm stirrup]

I heard to just use a magnetic cable so you don't have to unplug and plug in the thing

[little plinth]

Many of these happen even with using the official charger

Even if not, any decent USB-compliant charger should work without any issue

I feel like there's a design flaw in the Q2 charging

And Q2s have an abnormally high amount of these cases.

Like these happen wayy more rarely on phones despite nowadays they do 20W+ charging

[real pasture]

all this is from minecraft

and why does it show "ivry_settings.exe" lmao

[cedar belfry]

guys im playing beat saber on my phone

[rancid kestrel]

UI mods?

[rustic garnet]

How are you controlling it

[haughty thistle]

I assume they used Riftcat to use Cardboard with SteamVR...

[rustic garnet]

no it says ivry in the screencap but i mean like for the motion controllers

very hard to play beat saber without tracked hands ...

[haughty thistle]

Oh right. Lol

Maybe Wii controllers? I've seen people use those for Riftcat/iVRy before...

[rustic garnet]

is it even possible to beat most maps with only 3dof controllers

[little plinth]

Sounds like more pain than fun

[real pasture]

would any controller with gyro work though?

[rustic garnet]

if ivry supports it ig?

[weak bluff]

gyro and accelerometer is not enough for position tracking

[little plinth]

Mannn

Exclusives just suck

I wanna try out Asgard's wrath 2 but it's only on quest devices

So i need to shell out money for a shittier headset just for it.
Or spend $200 more for Q3.
Even then, stuck on a mobile SoC when i could have used the PC

[haughty thistle]

I remember back whe the CV1 and OG Vive where the only options Facebook ensured everybody that they were only paying devs to release on their plattform first. Yeah, as if that was ever the case with all the games that were originally planned to release on both and became Oculus exclusives after the Oculus sponsorship...

At least with the Oculus PC titles you can play them through SteamVR, even if the experience is a bit downgraded. For Quest exclusives however, I'm all on board with you. When the Climb 2 came out I really wanted to play it, and despite me already having a Quest, I couldn't play it as it's Quest 2 exclusive <.<

[rancid kestrel]

Why can't you use an emulator or something? Isn't it just Android?

[rustic garnet]

No drivers i guess

[haughty thistle]

Android is the base OS, but basically everything on top is custom...

[cedar belfry]

iVRy

[cedar belfry]

I'm not, was just testing it

[rancid kestrel]

Beat Saber has a different UI than normal though.

[cedar belfry]

mods

like a normal person

[rancid kestrel]

I don't use mods in BS.

Wait.

So I asked about UI mods and you pinged me about something irrelevant then admit to using them later?

Odd but okay I guess.

[real pasture]

did you also had issues when connecting the phone via usb?

whenever i tried steamvr would just crash

so im forced to use ivry through wifi

[cedar belfry]

No, that's steamvr and beat saber ui is because it's modded

[cedar belfry]

nope, no issues

[lusty dagger]

Daym you are a man of the classics when it comes to anime, not when it comes to beatsaber maps xD

[cedar belfry]

I don't even have the app open rn lmao

the connection is broken

[cedar belfry]

key 32059

:)

[lusty dagger]

!bsr 108c6

[cedar belfry]

You are disgusting for giving a key to a tech map

/j

[lusty dagger]

Dont really see it as a tech map, i have worse one there.

[cedar belfry]

I'll try it tmr

[lusty dagger]

https://www.beatleader.xyz/leaderboard/global/108c691/

Its also not really a tech map acording to the Triangle.

[cedar belfry]

Hm, if it's acc, that's free pp

[lusty dagger]

Basically

[cedar belfry]

People are getting like 600+ pp for 88%

[lusty dagger]

The x Version instantly got my top score.

[cedar belfry]

My highest acc is like, 98%

[lusty dagger]

Feels like the time Chocolate lily got released and was by far my highest score for years.

Then the Star rating got corrected.

[cedar belfry]

https://www.beatleader.xyz/u/76561199143207720/beatleader/acc/desc/1

[lusty dagger]

I guess the amongus cringe Song still is my top score on ss

[cedar belfry]

mine is metal pipe apparently

[lusty dagger]

I was about to say that its impressive Star Passes for you considering im ranked higher but then saw na and nf.

[cedar belfry]

yeaaa

we don't mention thattt

[lusty dagger]

Lol

https://www.beatleader.xyz/u/76561198202552497

Das me

[cedar belfry]

we share the special clan

[lusty dagger]

Acc so low cause most of the time i played speed - at least for my relative skill...

And now cause im Bad at stamina im getting better acc on slower maps.

[cedar belfry]

I need to grind pp, i keep losing my 4.1k globally

[lusty dagger]

I keep loosing local 175

[cedar belfry]

if i was in germany i would be placed 222

damn it

[lusty dagger]

Never change your country xD

[cedar belfry]

well TIL

[little plinth]

just realized

mutrix, the beat saber clone on pico

can use beat saber custom maps

very delighted to know that

even less reason to sell my pico later on lel

now VR Chat, i'm fine being stuck with PCVR, my BF uses the quest version and it's sooo cut down

still pissed about asgard's wrath

[gloomy crater]

Huh. It's always strange to see people competing in leaderboards and stuff for beat saber, considering I didn't even have access to score sharing until like two years after I started playing

I've always sorta wondered what the process is like, playing songs for the sole purpose of increasing your rank. I have no way of telling how I'd stack up because idk where you get ranked songs from or how the scoring process works but I'd imagine I'm pretty bad compared to someone who's been playing more consistently

[little plinth]

regular players are definitely built different

i get exhausted and become a sweat fest

[gloomy crater]

That only happens to me when I'm done for the night and decide to intentionally play a really fast map that I won't be able to continue after, like Sadistic Music Factory, Cirno's Perfect Math Class, or TTFAF. For the most part, as long as I'm playing songs 7NPS or under, I can play for hours. The worst part of that is just that my feet start hurting

The only thing stopping me from playing more regularly is that it's not really part of my routine and I don't think to do it very often. I tried setting up a script on my computer to check whether I'm playing another game at a certain time, and if I'm not, launch beat saber automatically so I have an excuse to play it more, but I discovered I'm not very good at scripting so I gave up.

[weak bluff]

https://wccftech.com/meta-lg-making-apple-vision-pro-competitor-for-2025-launch/

[fallow robin]

Oh no

[agile mortar]

According to developers, Apple Vision Pro is actually really good. I don’t know if they’ll be able to beat it.

[weak bluff]

They don't need to beat it to sell

In fact i call beating it now is quite stupid

Just sell what is accessible if you are not Apple

[cedar belfry]

SongDownloader > Filter > Ranked

[gloomy crater]

Huh. I don't use song downloader, I just get all my songs off of bsaber. Maybe they have a ranked filter too, I'll have to check

[cedar belfry]

They do, but it sorts it by ScoreSaber ranking, so if you use BeatLeader it might not be ranked

[cedar belfry]

use more wrist

[lusty dagger]

Not good tho.

Takes scoresaber ranked to Account, aka beatleader not always, especially newer maps, and bl only ranked also not.

[cedar belfry]

I mentioned that

[lusty dagger]

Lmao ye

Just saw xD

Beatleader itself also has a good Song list, but only on Desktop, and i dont think 1click install is a thing for quest.

[cedar belfry]

I mean, you can drag a few zip files through BMBF web thingy

[lusty dagger]

Yea thats how my friend on og quest did

Annoying tho

[gloomy crater]

I checked on both beatleader and scoresaber earlier out of curiosity. Beatleader had no ranked songs listed as having ever been played on my account, and Scoresaber said I had only ever played 5 ranked songs lol. I have abt 170~ songs but barely any of them are ranked, so I guess I'll take into account whether a song is ranked when I'm doing waves of new song installs in the future and go from there.

[cedar belfry]

and that right there, is the most annoying difference

[little plinth]

recently pico 4 just passed Quest 1

though i do wonder how much this number actually is

since majority of pico 4 PCVR users uses VD

and VD emulates quest 2

[lusty dagger]

Download from beatleader directly and save the hassle.

Iirc, Songs that were scoresaber ranked pre beatleader All got ranked on beatleader. But newer Songs are seperate.

Also Star levels dont Match up

[lusty dagger]

About half vrc users i met that stream pcvr, use the pico.

[little plinth]

so many PCVR users on a local facebook group for VR i'm on also got the pico

[lusty dagger]

Daym Facebook

[little plinth]

my country don't use discord often

[lusty dagger]

Didnt hear that for a Long time xD

[little plinth]

so

i am forced to if i wanna interact with my local community

[lusty dagger]

Ye

[little plinth]

i did a poll on that group a while back

though that poll is just for headset ownership in general

not PCVR only

Quest 2 obviously still

dominate

but pico 4 got a solid 25%

[lusty dagger]

"wats better Index or quest 1"

Remember the times lmao

[little plinth]

Q2 around 50

[lusty dagger]

Hurts me tbh.

Pico is very cool, but link still not great for me. Q2 is just horrible Overall and i wouldnt even use it for standalone, the price for me in that regard doesnt matter.

Simply cannot wear the q2 for longer...

[little plinth]

i am simply shilling for pico hoping for more marketshare so it gets even more games

[lusty dagger]

Pico tho, has the link issues for me - i just dont like any way currently, and doesnt even offer good standalone...

[little plinth]

though pico will never ever get oculus studio games

which is cringe from meta

[lusty dagger]

But the Headset itself is comfy - at least more than the quest 2.

Ye.

Meta goes Console Mode...