virtual-reality

[cedar belfry]

I'll just switch out the strap between my two headsets then

[solar spire]

How’s this one look? https://a.co/d/3wXvBvV

It’s got a battery pack and whatnot with it.

Which is one of my biggest complaints about this device is the middling battery life.

[cedar belfry]

Try looking at KIWI straps

[solar spire]

Hmm

[cedar belfry]

I'm going to bed nowww

4:15 AM

[solar spire]

Alright, have fun.

[cedar belfry]

Can't believe I'm 16 either, damn

[weak bluff]

i prefer non-halo strap myself s i would avoid thatg

[solar spire]

I’m 26 and this kinda thing keeps happening to me cause I got a big ol’ head

[cedar belfry]

i'm a smol bean

[solar spire]

What exactly is a “halo strap” cause I haven’t been made aware of this concept.

[weak bluff]

halo strap is a strap that holds on your head in ring type way

see Rift S

[cedar belfry]

or quest 1?

[weak bluff]

quest 1 is not halo

[cedar belfry]

I swear it had something like it

[weak bluff]

no the force is focused on back type

[solar spire]

So the one I linked before is a “halo type”

[weak bluff]

the ideal (my experience) is somethign like this

where there is no force on upper head

plus

combine with a cheap powerback strap on back with elastic fabric

that way the weight balances out

and the only stress you feel is weight on top of head via top strap

[solar spire]

https://a.co/d/3wXvBvV This does have a battery on it.

Unless this is the halo thing

[weak bluff]

its like reverse halo

i say its worse than halo...?

[solar spire]

Hmm.

[weak bluff]

its worse to put counterweight too

This is how i do it

the strap must be a hard strap that cannot change angle except at the lens point

that way counterweight is more effective

[cedar belfry]

Hey, how in the world do you get the silicone cover on without an extra bump that slides around

[weak bluff]

like face cover?

[cedar belfry]

yea

the flimsy thing

[solar spire]

https://a.co/d/6rwwgNK alright how about this? This seem more reasonable?

[weak bluff]

yeah thats good with me

try find exacpt product but with lower price

[solar spire]

Good news is, it arrives today.

[weak bluff]

most Quest strap are same product with different logo and slight modification

[solar spire]

Hmm.

[weak bluff]

yeah... you can find kiwi strap straight from ali at cheaper price

[weak bluff]

just strap it tight?

[cedar belfry]

I tried

[weak bluff]

also the weight of headset really reduces that issue for me

in some kind of balance

plus I have diopter lens

[cedar belfry]

that's my issue and it's annoying

[weak bluff]

is that official strap or 3rd party

i mean

face cover

official or 3rd party

[cedar belfry]

official, it came in the box

[weak bluff]

hmm mine too not an issue

get a paperclip i guess

[solar spire]

Weirdly enough the one I linked is the cheapest option.

[weak bluff]

ok good

[solar spire]

So inadvertently I found the cheapest one by accident lol

Well, gonna put that $50 gift card to use I suppose.

The controller things can wait.

Actually scratch that, was able to get the foam padding as well, thankfully.

Well, I guess I’ll live with this strap one more night and then replace it tomorrow

[weak bluff]

https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1687299580600156161

Brad Lynch (@SadlyItsBradley)

Meta Quest 3 has passed the FCC certification process

The publications confirm that the new HMD will support the WiFi 6E standard just like the Quest Pro (6GHz)

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Twitter · Aug 4, 2023, 3:09 AM

there goes 1 spec confirmed

[rancid kestrel]

How the heck do you deal with head crabs?

[rustic garnet]

which game

[rancid kestrel]

Half-Life Alyx.

Merciful Fate would be an interesting Beat Saber song.

[dull tide]

Shoot them?

[rancid kestrel]

I feel like shooting your face is a bad idea.

[warm stirrup]

Shoot them before they are on ur face

[dull tide]

Kick them off your face /s

[rancid kestrel]

I normally do or pistol whip them when empty, but they occasionally get me.

[harsh niche]

do better

[rancid kestrel]

So you just reload a save, got it.

[little plinth]

soo

today's exactly 3 months since i got my pico 4

gotta say i love it

but

probably gonna get a Q2 for a second headset

for the standalone part

when traveling

and also for my siblings if they ever wanna play with me

as there's only one VR capable PC on my place and it's mine

my bro's PC has i3-3220 and RX 570 4GB

definitely not VR capable

[weak bluff]

Pico 4 is like a stroad - neither good as street nor road. Its neither great as standalone nor great as PCVR and being in between is... Eh. It is great for PCVR as cheap wireless with VD tho.

[little plinth]

Cheapest PCVR solution out there for me actually

The standalone part lacks games but still useful for watching movies

Reverb G2 is totally an unobtanium outside the US

My local online shop has none
Neither do AliExpress

Well they do but it's like 800 bucka

there's amazon but still 500 bucks

at 500 i would just wait for Q3

and i got my pico 4 for 300
so there's not really any other option

[haughty thistle]

Ehh... no? It's quite pricey outside the US, I do agree, but it's not unobtanium...

[little plinth]

it's unobtanium trying to get it for reasonable price

if price isn't a factor nothing is "unobtanium"

[haughty thistle]

They're not scalping the G2. That's the msrp for that thing in the EU...

[little plinth]

i didn't say it's scalped

but 750 for a G2 is definitely not the slightest bit reasonable considering the alternatives

[haughty thistle]

HP (those d###s) jacked up the prices when they released the V2...

[little plinth]

especially compared to a 300 bucks pico 4

[haughty thistle]

I think the only place they didn't do this price increase is in the US...

[little plinth]

amazon has them for 400 if you're in the US

i set it to my location and the only option is 512

not including the shipping

[weak bluff]

Its cheaper probably to fly to US and buy it plus get VAT refund when return

[little plinth]

soo yea

it has shortcomings but

it is the only one that fills the hole

can't complain at 300 bucks

[rancid kestrel]

I use an i7-3770K and a 3060.

I do wonder why Alyx says low settings are best for that card though, you'd think a modern high mid GPU would be good enough for at least medium.

Also, does anyone have a recommendation for a DC adapter for a wireless Vive?

[warm stirrup]

I mean a 3060 might be able to do it on higher settings but it's not really a high mid gpu

A high mid gpu is like a 3070 or 3070 ti, maybe even upwards of a 3080

My friend has a 3060 12gb, he runs medium settings on alyx

[little plinth]

if you wanna keep the graphics you can always use OXR toolkit and use FFR

and also FSR 90% scaling for extra FPS

[weak bluff]

People struggle to run HLA really?

my former RX 580 runs fine

[haughty thistle]

HLA auto-adjusts the rendering resolution based on hardware and graphics settings. It also bypasses SteamVRs super sampling setting. So in theory unless you have an absolute potato GPU it would just render very blurry if your GPU is not up to snuff...

[warm stirrup]

How blurry approximately would it be to play on my UHD 630 graphics

[weak bluff]

Too extreme would not work as expected

[rancid kestrel]

2x1 pixels?

[sullen linden]

does anyone know how to fix controllers not showing up in beat saber but are fine for everything else i have a htc vive

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah that's just Beat Saber being bad, happens with the wands for me too but the Index controllers are fine. It was an update a few months ago IIRC.

[haughty thistle]

Just another reason to stick to an older Beat Saber version tbh

[lusty dagger]

Stick with legacy 1.29 as long as possible.

[warm stirrup]

The moment you realize 1.29 is considered legacy and 1.17.1 is just old

[lusty dagger]

Its in the steam beta, cause they did a unity Update after that, which broke basically everything.

Protip, if you have a working beatsaber instance, make a Backup.

Steam does enforce Updates after a Release, but does not check the installed Version, aka after it Updated you can just drag your old folder over the New one and steam doesnt care.

[cedar belfry]

Beat Saber Legacy Launcher
Any update before Unity should be fine

[lusty dagger]

I hate the launcher, just Set the steam beta of beatsaber to legacy, mod it, Backup it.

[native prism]

best cheap headset

[haughty thistle]

When it comes to VR headsets there is no such thing as "the best one". Only what compromises you're willing to take and what fits in your budget.

[weak bluff]

Best value: Quest 2
Best PCVR all rounder: Valve Index (subject to change soon)

*Personal opinion

[rancid kestrel]

Cheapest is probably something off of eBay or similar.

[weak bluff]

Oh cheap used are a lot great value

Since many sits collecting dust its easy to negotiate

[rancid kestrel]

My brother keeps putting a fan in the middle of the VR space and he never puts it back in its home.

Stupid keyboard messing up its/it's.

[rustic garnet]

cant u literally just grab them off

[rancid kestrel]

I don't think I actually tried grabbing.

[lusty dagger]

For standalone obv quest 2.

For pcvr, it gets interesting...

Rift CV1, rift s used maybe...

Cant think of much more...

The best pcvr Headset tho not cheap currently still is the Index.

[rancid kestrel]

Valve made something so good they haven't had to touch it in years.

[lusty dagger]

The sad thing is, its not even that good...

Just basically noone cares about pcvr... Bigscreen being the only one utilizing current gen Display tech...

The Index was too early for proper oled, so it god lcd... Which then to its Release was basically outdated for something like this.

[gloomy crater]

Which is the reason I refuse to buy brand new index controllers after my current ones broke. I grabbed my old Quest 1 out of storage and will be using that until the deckard comes out. $300 for a pair of 5 year old controllers bc they won't service my broken ones since I don't have the steam ID of the original acc that bought them is bs

It was really weird helping my family member swap from Quest 1 to Quest 2 this past weekend. I have horrible eye sight but since I used to daily a Quest 1, I brought along my old lens inserts and installed them while working on the headsets getting files moved over, and while inside the quest 2 I noted how the video quality was very similar between the two systems. But then I realized that I only installed the lenses in the Q1 and not in the Q2. So the Q1 with perfect vision is about the same as a Q2 with horrible vision.

[lusty dagger]

The Index controllers will most likely even stay, if the deckard is a pcvr hmd.

And the controllers are super nice, and i still consider them the best ones out there - not sure what they should change - other than maybe repairability...

[gloomy crater]

Gimme a sec

This message up here contains everything I think they should change about the index controllers

[lusty dagger]

The Finger Sensors calibrate themself, the rest is more like Personal pref i think...

Cannot say much about the touchpad cause i basically only use it for thumb there or not

Stick i find fine -

But like said repairability should be a thing...

Like daym, im confident with like joycons and whatnot, but These things are like voodoo.

[gloomy crater]

What I meant about the sticks- the new ones feel fine yes, mine in particular don't but that's what I get for buying a kit that's from launch week, so it has the old sticks that don't click correctly and wear out very quickly. Even with the new sticks, they are guaranteed to wear out eventually bc of the physical contact nature of the stick design. But yeah, hall effect sticks wouldn't be necessary if we could just replace the whole stick assembly easier

[lusty dagger]

They learned with the steamdeck, so we can hope

Also im actually not sure which sticks i got, but i have a early unit.

[rancid kestrel]

The finger sensors suck.

I want to make those gloves one of these days.

[weak bluff]

LucasVR glove?

[little plinth]

what's other than rift s and cv1

there are a small amount in circulation

can be hard to get them outside the US

i've been trying to get one used since people here been saying they get used CV1 for 200 something something and i never been able to find one :(

[lusty dagger]

Rift s also not?

If both arent possible to get, there isnt really a good Budget Option besides quest 2.

[little plinth]

barely any listing

there's one

700 bucks

guy's drunk

[lusty dagger]

Lmao

[little plinth]

so

either i get a second pico 4 or wait for quest 3
i need one for my sibling

i can't let them use mine

seeing VR fail videos gives me

makes me paranoid

[lusty dagger]

So q3 id say.

Why not q2?,

[little plinth]

there's no compelling reason to get one compared to the other two other than it having few exclusives

and quest 2 needs a lot of accesories to be comfortable

which adds up price anyway

might as well wait for Q3

[lusty dagger]

Thats true.

[little plinth]

i'd get pico 4 since it's 200 bucks cheaper
but my siblings don't have a PCVR capable PC which basically leave me with one

i just hope Q3 last longer than my pico's sad battery life

it lasts like 2 hours

[weak bluff]

Q3 battery life is the same as Quest 2

said by CTO himself

Andrew Bosworth

same battery life, around same FOV, same single display design. 3 big let down from me.

[shrewd basin]

eh i got a quest 2 and i dont see any reason upgrading to 3

i mainly play pcvr ayway so ima just stick with my quest 2 and at some point maybe get a index

[weak bluff]

i cant find any good reason to uprgade

the only big thing is thinner and standalone performance that we know so far

the uncomfortable wear and poor display is discounraging

there is the Wi-Fi 6E and AV1 that I don't know how good they are yet

[shrewd basin]

yea i saw the design

the Q2 normal strap is horrible

and the facial interface gave me a rash

i mean i just use my quest for pcvr i never use the standalone os on it really

like maybe if im travelling and im bored yeah but apart from that i mena

mean

[haughty thistle]

You sure about the AV1 part? It may have a decoder, but given the overall lack of Hardware AV1 encoders on the PC, and those that do exist tend to not be very optimized for latency, I doubt that it'll be used for Link any time soon...

[weak bluff]

no use then

[shrewd basin]

my Q2 has a real wifi problem sometimes.

[weak bluff]

but overtime we get better AV1 encoders

nothing guaranteed

I have no idea

[lusty dagger]

At that point they could just add dp over type c.

But as the resoning for staying with usb link from people in this channel was that it would make standalone hmds a too god pcvr Option, and thus that wont happen, why would av1 then happen like at all for link? Or link improvements at all?

I think none of this will happen and link will stay as basic as it is, at most virtual desktop may use it.

[weak bluff]

it does not make sense for meta to add dp port ¯_(ツ)_/¯

we are just copium at that poitn wishing so

Hey Meta where is that long waited Oculus Software remake?

[haughty thistle]

It would likely eat even further into their standalone sales, so why would they make PCVR compatibility better? The only reason they offer it at all is to get people buying it in hopes of persuading them to try standalone later...

[weak bluff]

get people headset first then give reason to stay later

thats what Oculus Link is for

Meta biggest issue is people buying headset for free to play games and PCVR

they are trying to convert those people into profitable standalone users

[gloomy crater]

Yeah, it's in Meta's best interest for the Quest platform's standalone performance to be good, and the PCVR performance be usable but rather bad otherwise. Which is exactly how it is

[lusty dagger]

Exactly so av1 compatability for link wont happen. Like my last point

[gloomy crater]

Meta aren't trying to compete with Steam using the PCVR Oculus library left over from the Rift days, they recognize that they'll never be able to make a dent in such a giant by investing in PCVR so they've made standalone their playground and I'm waiting for valve to come along and smash that as well. All it takes is valve making a competent standalone headset and allowing devs to fork their PCVR titles to make versions that are optimized for standalone, and Meta's hold on the standalone ecosystem would TANK

[lusty dagger]

The thing is, q2 already is like half of steamvr xD

So yea that def wont happen, allthough people like me would get a standalone Headset then, if the link is actually good.

For Hybrid use ^

[gloomy crater]

Exactly. Which would you rather have: a Meta headset that requires you to rebuy all your games, and tracks your every move, or a valve headset that allows you to keep your same old steam library AND play exclusive titles like boneworks and half life alyx completely standalone, and then have the headset also be good at PCVR because they're not incentivized to make the PCVR experience crap like Meta are

[lusty dagger]

A pcvr only Headset thats actually good lol

[gloomy crater]

Fair point, but I travel a lot so I'm hoping for at least a worthwhile standalone headset to come along at some point. But then again, if they can make remote link fast enough, you could just connect your VR headset to your home PC from anywhere in the world that has a wifi connection, and then there'd be no need for standalone anymore.

[weak bluff]

they can compete but abandoned. When Oculus was still a PCVR company, the Oculus Store and SteamVR store was quite comparable. It was only until Facebook change strat and rebrand to Meta that now they just do not care.

[lusty dagger]

I dont need standalone, id basically never use it, and cause not having it would make the Headset better Overall in terms of weight etc or just better specs, id definetly prefer that.

[weak bluff]

Rift CV1 was prefered over HTC Vive back then. Oculus could become the next console platform that never was.

[lusty dagger]

They could def do it.

They simply dont want to tho

[weak bluff]

Facebook was not a gaming compay so they bought something that they are unfamiliar with.

[lusty dagger]

Ye

[weak bluff]

they just want the tech not the platform and community

[lusty dagger]

They were familiar with collecting data on mobile Devices tho, so they made a mobile device xD

[gloomy crater]

they just want the tech tasty user data

[lusty dagger]

And tried themself on vr social Media which Was just doa.

Like they are laughtably Bad at that, but have great engineers.

[haughty thistle]

I think at this point anything vs the Quest would be kinda like Android vs iOS. There a millions of people already deeply invested into the Quest standalone eco-system, so why would they buy Deckard if for them it would mean re-buying everything.

[weak bluff]

buy game studio then not only not releasing new game they even kill some like EchoVR cmon Meta

[haughty thistle]

I do agree, the only company capable of making a dent in Meta's standalone Marketshare is Valve, but it won't be the death of the Quest...

[weak bluff]

Meta shoudl ditch Qualcomm and get AMD semi custom that runs great both Android games and PCVR games. I just snorted copium there.

[lusty dagger]

Ye.

Steam would be Android then

I see modded steam OS on meta Hardware then

Something like holoos

Metard os - i hope that will be the Name

Spoken as the Word with R instead of m

[haughty thistle]

Cyanogenmod - but this time only skins Steam into it's old Military green theme from it's inception

[lusty dagger]

Meetard OS xD

[weak bluff]

Meta tried to make their own OS then gave up

oh well

[lusty dagger]

Its just as well their own OS as steam OS is, steam OS Linux, meta thing android

[weak bluff]

they could have called it MetadataOS

because they have your metadata

[lusty dagger]

UserdataOS

Metadata is mostly info about data tho

[haughty thistle]

They currently run an Android based OS. They legit tried to write something from scratch, or at the very least based on the raw Linux kernel and that's what they given up on

[lusty dagger]

Ye i know.

[haughty thistle]

I randomly had this thought for a name of a standalone VR OS: SLAMOS

[lusty dagger]

Metas lead dev being Android so no clue abt Linux

Meta "Gentleman and gentlewoman, we are goin Android babyyyyy"

[haughty thistle]

P. Sure that custom OS thing came after they already had the Quest 1 on the market...

They wanted to go custom as apparently Android isn't the best match for a VR appliance. Go figure...

[lusty dagger]

Thing is just, i know if steam would make a standalone thing and kill everything, then someone makes a fork of its OS running on meta Hardware, meta would go ios Mode and lock the Devices down to the Max...

[weak bluff]

I would be happy if Valve makes an OS and standalone for VR but knowing Valve they are not going to make their own hardware accessable like Steam Deck

[gloomy crater]

100%

[lusty dagger]

Currently you can do a lot to the q2

But theres just nothing really that would be a good Option lol

[weak bluff]

I don't think they can if the OS is Arch Linux since it is licensed with almost strongest GNU requiring forked code to open source

[lusty dagger]

At least we got adb...

[haughty thistle]

Meta Hardware is already locked down as much as they possibly can. At least from the OS perspective.
They allow you to run custom apps but that's about as far as you can go...

[lusty dagger]

Wdym

[weak bluff]

SteamOS is based on Arch Linux hence you can access source code and you are required to open source your code as well

[haughty thistle]

No root, locked down bootloader with no way of unlocking it, etc.

[weak bluff]

you can get SteamOS source code ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty dagger]

Im talking someone making somethin like holo OS when steam makes a standalone and mod the OS to work with meta Hardware

[lusty dagger]

I know?

[weak bluff]

oh that

[lusty dagger]

Thats why its great

[weak bluff]

liek custom OS?

[lusty dagger]

Like someone already did ye

[weak bluff]

then Meta has to use AMD CPU then?

[lusty dagger]

At least as far as steam handheld goes.

[haughty thistle]

If only you can run a custom OS on the Quest. That's the part where your assumption fails.
Locked bootloader = no custom OS

[lusty dagger]

No -

In talking when steam does make a standalone, im sure someone will be able to mod a fork of the OS that can run on Arm, if steam doesnt even use Arm themself tho

[lusty dagger]

People will find a way, they are not like Apple yet - and even there people found ways xD

[weak bluff]

Arch Linux itself is AMD64 (x86-64) only

it is a LOT of work to make it ARM compatible

[haughty thistle]

The only Meta headset to ever have it's bootloader unlocked is the Go. But given the Quest 2 and other more recent headsets run the same OS Plattform it's very unlikely for Meta to do the same for the Quest 1...

[lusty dagger]

We dont know what steam does for a standalone... They might even use something entirely different... Thats my point.

If they do that at all.

[weak bluff]

at that point something not forked from SteamOS would be easier since SteamOS is not made for ARM at all

[lusty dagger]

You dont get my point...

[haughty thistle]

Eh. The Android Bootloader when locked is about as watertight as iBoot on iPhones. Which is to say, pretty flippin' secure. The only exploit to crack open iBoot required a hardware exploit called Checkra1n and it was already fixed by the time it was discovered...

[lusty dagger]

Think of Deckard OS, steams Arm based OS cause they gone Arm for standalone.

A fork of that...

We dont know anything yet.

[weak bluff]

so you assume Deckard use ARM

[lusty dagger]

WE DONT KNOW

daym.

[weak bluff]

yeah as in your planned assumption

[lusty dagger]

We dont know if its standalone at all.

[weak bluff]

we dont know

[lusty dagger]

Its just a possibility.

[weak bluff]

but i really doubt Valve would make ARM software at all

[little plinth]

hmmm the HDMI out on my USB C splitter i use on my pico 4 actually works
i don't know if it's useful for anything though

[lusty dagger]

That said, i do think they should go arm for something like that.

Allthough i dont know if they will make standalone at all.

[haughty thistle]

Word on the street is that it'll be a hybrid but sensible. As-is just a normal PCVR headset in the front with an optional standalone compute unit you can mount to the back for standalone...

[little plinth]

not really any advantage over miracast other than latency which doesn't matter for spectators

[weak bluff]

nah they already haev great optimization with Steam Deck it would be better win if they use AMD semi custom

[lusty dagger]

Ye a very old Word - but the one Option id find very great.

Think of valve making modular vr.

Hmd and compute unit.

[haughty thistle]

Imo it makes the most sense. Offer a good standalone function without weighing down those who don't want/need it...

[lusty dagger]

Keep in mind that the battery life would be ass with x64

[weak bluff]

the Steam Deck with old Zen2 and RDNA2 was near performance of Asus ROG Ally shows how good Valve custom AMD CPU is there is no need to build entire ARm game lirbary from scratch

[little plinth]

ROG ally last barely an hour at full power

[lusty dagger]

As is the steamdeck, considering the large battery, you couldnt do that for a vr hmd.

[little plinth]

i wouldn't want that in a headset

[lusty dagger]

Exactly.

[little plinth]

and battery technology isn't getting better

[lusty dagger]

Exactly.

[little plinth]

and idk if i even want more energy in such a compact space
seems dangerous

[lusty dagger]

Allto it would make the whole concept quite expensive, they cant really cheapen it like the deck i think..

[weak bluff]

I dont think having good standalone battery life would sell anything

the battery is like UPS at this point

[little plinth]

though if LK99 is a real thing it will revolutionize energy technology

[lusty dagger]

2hrs is enough for most.

1hr not.

[weak bluff]

or do it Apple style xd

[lusty dagger]

People like us are used to like 8+ cause pcvr.

[little plinth]

i really hated apple's way of external battery

like how i hate using a powerbank on a pouch rn

it's, just not comfortable

[weak bluff]

some people love it some hate it

former Oculus CEO love it

[little plinth]

there's a reason we have bobovr batteries
people don't like them powerbanks

[lusty dagger]

I remember a sorta convention - it was basically ad for companies, where one had a vr space, backpack PC, vive Pro, a the picture was very Bad compared to what id expect... And b, the thing was tethered... Why use a backpack PC then tf.

[weak bluff]

or double down as counterweight

[little plinth]

though a good alternative to better battery is faster charging

[lusty dagger]

Which would make need of a changable battery.

[weak bluff]

ah yes that one time VR backpack wonders

[little plinth]

i'd be fine with it lasting 2 hours if it can do 100W charging like those phones

[weak bluff]

it existed once then never again

[lusty dagger]

Ye.

[lusty dagger]

Ye but that many cycles would break it fast.

[little plinth]

though quickswappable batteries seems ideal

[lusty dagger]

Ofc.

That would be it

Hmd Module, compute Module, battery Module

This would be King Tier.

[little plinth]

it doesn't really increase the amount of cycles
it just decreases the downtime between using them
which i guess would make you use up more cycles since you can go back to it faster but it's not really because of the charging speed itself

[lusty dagger]

That would leave room for a wigig Module instead of compute and to also just use hmd with tether - i find that idea great...

[lusty dagger]

You dont get my point.

The hmd gets a hecktonn of cycles, that which a extreme charging Mode is just Prone to death.

Phones already suffer from it.

And you can charge the hmd more than once a day if you really use it.

So its an even bigger issue.

Like id try to go like 1hr per maybe 5ah, voltage etc doesnt matter cause more cells and stuff.

Much faster, and id expect the battery to not last Long like at all.

[weak bluff]

standalone = poor form factor that sells

i kinda want it but also i dont want it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/874210614376013834.webp?size=48&name=anekodead&quality=lossless

[little plinth]

go the laptop approach and use multi-cell battery

[lusty dagger]

Exactly.

[weak bluff]

oh great we are using 18650 battery now

idk

should it

[lusty dagger]

But that would also only make sense for very large Batteries which both phones and standalone vr hmds dont have.

[weak bluff]

how about standalone that comes no battery at all?

if you want battery attach it

if you want wired plug it

[little plinth]

that's just

regular standalone hmd

[lusty dagger]

Removable battery, battery Module etc.

[weak bluff]

battery is a separate thing

not part of overall product

[lusty dagger]

Its not tho

[little plinth]

it will be lighter but functionally it just seems like a regular one we have now

[lusty dagger]

Remove weight from Front, make the battery be a Module on the back f. E.

[weak bluff]

standalone as afterthough you can only standalone if you plu battery

[lusty dagger]

Like the backpack PCs did xD

[weak bluff]

module must be distributed like IMU and sensors must be up front

[little plinth]

pico not making the back battery quick-swappable is such a missed opportunity

[lusty dagger]

It wouldnt be Lighter...

[weak bluff]

no its planned obsolescence

[lusty dagger]

Battery still there, but not in the Front, but as a Module in the back f. E.

[lusty dagger]

Bad planning cause they treat it like a phone.

[weak bluff]

and its not inside its an outside detachable

[lusty dagger]

Aka Form factor etc.

[little plinth]

you can still service it and replace it though

just not quickly

nor easily

[weak bluff]

like HTC Vive XR Elite but not the stupid eyeglass wear

with battery in back

swap back module

actually make battery and standalone computer in 1 module detachable

[little plinth]

well

with the EU law

[lusty dagger]

The additional Benefit would be, people could make Lighter and or heavier options. Just what they want f. E.

[little plinth]

some devices will have replacable battery

[lusty dagger]

Modular vr just sounds so logical to me..

[weak bluff]

if Meta want to be a holes they can make Quest 4 IP68 water resistant and does not have to comply

with battery removal

[little plinth]

IP68 on a VR headset

[lusty dagger]

Ipx8 is next to impossible with stuff like that.

What wonders me more - how to you want to make ipx7 f. E...

Youd have to screw the backside - or make it cliped hard and make the device like 3x the weight.

Samsung did water tight phones, i know, but not x7.

[weak bluff]

indoor device only
water resistant
guess for indoor pools

[little plinth]

the deepest pool in the world is indoor

[weak bluff]

Galaxy s5 ahhhh IP67 and removable battery

[lusty dagger]

It was x7?

[little plinth]

just not sure i'd trust S5's water resistance

[lusty dagger]

Thaught x6...

[little plinth]

if even my old S7 die barely getting hit by water

[lusty dagger]

Cause that would make a heck lot more sense...

[weak bluff]

Galaxy S5 charging port has a cap

[lusty dagger]

Doesnt matter -

[little plinth]

reminds me of the sony ones

[lusty dagger]

Im talking backside

[weak bluff]

absolutely breaks if cover is open or cap is open

[lusty dagger]

x7 is the point where even speakers are hard to build...

Let alone a loosly cliped backside.

I dont care what they said, i wont say it can do more than x6 without luck.

x8 is btw something like automatic car wash safe.

Aka, basically impossible xd

With anything cliped.

[little plinth]

is automatic car wash even that intense

[lusty dagger]

Next to the water Jets.

• directly there lol

Full submerge and high pressure - you could go dive with it, the car wash thing is just more like an joke, thats actually quite a lot lower.

[rancid kestrel]

About how far through Alyx is the flash light?

[rancid kestrel]

Alyx spoilers? ||I found a friend.||

[haughty thistle]

Not very far in afaik...

[weak bluff]

If its not that far its by design

[weak bluff]

SlimeVR got their first tracker shipped

The cheapest out of box full body tracker

[west fiber]

yes they did

and I had to back out because i need money

[rancid kestrel]

Eh, I think I'd just go with the HTC ones for now.

[proper elk]

rip

[proper elk]

tundra trackers are in stock

[rancid kestrel]

No idea what those are.

[burnt oasis]

more imus

[haughty thistle]

The Tundras? They're a Vive Tracker competitor. By far the smallest Lighthouse trackers on the market period, and they apparently even have a slightly longer battery life then the Vive 3.0 Trackers (9h vs 7.5h).
I got mine as part of the Kickstarter and absolutely love 'em, but they got a bunch of Firmware issues and I'm not aware of them having fixed any at this point. They might've, but I certainly didn't get any on my trackers <.<

In case you're curious what kind of FW issues:

• Trackers automatically turn on an connect to the PC when plugged in (as if you turned on a controller; fires up SteamVR; apparently intended according to their now defunct forum?)
• Sometimes get stuck on a Red LED when receiving a turn-off signal from SteamVR while charging (only fix to date is to let it discharge over the course of a day or two; they stop working entirely when this happens until fixed)
• Battery % readout is very inaccurate (jumps up to 15% in one go; rarely updates at all; readout changes drastically between sessions, even if just restarting them)
• They don't show battery life until they're already a bit drained

These are just the ones that I personally have ran into. In the forum there were a bunch more issues listed, but they apparently took the forum offline, so RIP

The battery readout issues have been somewhat mitigated by the OVR Toolkit dev, but there's obv. only so much you can do...

[junior pollen]

So I'm currently using a Ryzen 7 3800X and a 3080 in my desktop, but I'm getting a laptop with a 4070 (mind you mobile) and a i9 13900H, would that be better at VR than my current desktop?

[tawdry dove]

as it would turn out the 4070 mobile chip is severely underpowered compared to the actual rtx 4070

so it's basically going to be whether the game is more cpu or gpu bottlenecked

[junior pollen]

oh alr

[tawdry dove]

most games are going to run too slowly on the 4070 mobile to justify running vr on the laptop

as it would appear the 4070 is just a 4060ti

which at first glance doesn't seem too bad

[weak bluff]

Its definitely not a big upgrade

[lusty dagger]

The cpu is, and games like beatsaber, vrchat are very cpu bound - really depends on what you actually play.

[warm stirrup]

This real?

[soft gulch]

clearly clickbait

[warm stirrup]

Yeah it seems like it, never heard of it from any other sources lmao

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah I'm not touching those.

[soft gulch]

that issue list seems like a big "don't fucking buy these, ever"

[rancid kestrel]

What does "direct rendering" do and why does it make my wireless Vive work better?

[haughty thistle]

It's just a different name for direct display mode. Basically SteamVR will bypass the Windows desktop and all that jazz and render the image directly to the headset. Saves quite a bit of overhead

[weak bluff]

Here comes fresh branch of copium https://twitter.com/SadlyItsBradley/status/1689624329854578690/photo/1

Brad Lynch (@SadlyItsBradley)

VR陀螺 published information on a Samsung XR HMD prototype that was once the basis for what they wanted to make to compete with Apple

It included:
•Micro-OLED displays/Pancake optics
•Exynos 2200 chip w/ AMD RDNA2 architecture
•Inside Out tracking with dual RGB camera…

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/799897827324723200.webp?size=48&name=kekw_popcorn&quality=lossless

im sorry

Quest 1 wanna be?

[little plinth]

seems like a better vision pro

well

not technologically

but at least it's a "VR" headset

[soft gulch]

if it doesn't have the best displays of any VR headset, then samsung have failed

[weak bluff]

This thing have CPU worse than Quest 2

im sorry but its so shite

this is a canned headset btw which they did it in reaction to apple headset and will upgrade this headset

[rancid kestrel]

What's with the backwards tracking all over the place?

The Apple headset looks like it's going to be bad.

[soft gulch]

I perfer my VR without a computer built in and with base stations

[rancid kestrel]

A ground truth is always a good idea.

Playing Alyx makes me want to be able to walk around in VR, that's a first for me.

[dull tide]

I’ve smacked many a picture frame

[weak bluff]

First picture of SlimeVR delivered to outside customers

[urban glade]

Anybody know if there’s a be headset out there that’ll be good to run on desktop for steam and possibly on phone (like the oculus)

I’m not very familiar with anything related to vr

[haughty thistle]

What you're looking for is a VR headset you can use for both PCVR and standalone VR. Am I getting this right?

If that's the case then your best bet rn is either to wait for the Quest 3 (which is prolly gonna go on sale for this years holiday season) or get a Quest 2 rn...

As much as I wanna suggest alternatives, the only real one out there is the Pico 4 and it's standalone games market is notoriously bad (part being they're relatively new to the west and the other part being Meta literally buying up game studios to have their games as exclusives)

[cyan dew]

Hey all. Want to post a PSA for anyone running a new monitor & a Valve Index.

I thought my headset died... turns out it didn't. I purchased a new Monitor (AW34DWF) and plugged it into my GTX1080. After a day or so, magically when I turned it on to play, my PC wouldn't boot. Tore out and swapped PSU & GPU, neither of them fixed the problem. Turns out I needed to updage my GPU's Firmware (not driver) to allow both DP 1.4 spec. Took me getting a new headset to realize it wasn't the problem either. I haven't seen any other guides discussing this potential problem.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/nv-uefi-update-x64/

[rancid kestrel]

I do wonder if you can walk in Alyx.

[haughty thistle]

The GTX 10-Series were the first Nvidia cards to support DP1.4, so I'm sure they had a bunch of FW bugs in them. The AW34DW(F) are DP1.4 monitors while the Index is DP1.2. P. sure the launch/production FW just had a bug that didn't allow for using DP1.4 & DP1.2 together or smth...

[rustic garnet]

you can enable smooth locomotion if that's what you mean

[cedar belfry]

aphvdvupveu yessss
this gotta be worth it for driving 3 hours each direction

[soft gulch]

as long as you get to look in the box before handing them money, seems like a great deal

[cedar belfry]

i did a video call with them a bit ago, everything is basically mint condition

[soft gulch]

good, still look in that box before handing money over to make 1000% sure, can never be too careful

[cedar belfry]

the lighthouses still have the plastic on them ;-;

[soft gulch]

lol

[cedar belfry]

i'm $75 short

rip

[soft gulch]

time to beg a friend for a small loan then

[cedar belfry]

they did a video call and sent like 500 pictures through MMS. rip data usage

[spark root]

I do that with every game

That is why I don’t do blade and sorcery’

I almost killed my monitor once

[soft gulch]

your MMS images actually send? only time I can ever get images to send is via RCS

[cedar belfry]

change that in settings
i disable RCS on purpose because when i wanna send something, it shows that it didn't send

[soft gulch]

oppiste for me

[cedar belfry]

i thought you said you almost killed your mother...

[spark root]

I almost hit my mother once whilst playing the boxing game

Again, I move around a lot

To simulate walking

[cedar belfry]

here's how i got my younger brother out of my room
i didn't confirm the chaperone, and socked him right in the face (purposely), with him thinking i was in a game

i felt so bad because i full sent that punch

[rancid kestrel]

I'm curious, what hardware do you use for that?

[harsh niche]

he means he wishes he could walk around in every game

vr treadmills would be cool but it’s just not realistic at all

[cedar belfry]

quest 2, air link, big ass satellite for wifi, and a gym

[rancid kestrel]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IUTIUEA
Someone said this works with the wireless Vive, is there something kind of like this but cheaper?

[haughty thistle]

The Vive WA requires QC3 at 12V/1.5A/18W. Any brick with that should work. Some Anker chargers also have support for this, despite not stating QC3 support ('cause licensing; they call it IQ2.0)

[leaden ruin]

i have a inside out tracking headset (rift s) and even though i could theoretically walk around that is not the case because of my small playspace which is a shame

i am forced to stay on 1 point because of the chance of hitting something

had the same feeling when i played alyx

got used to it though

[cedar belfry]

i had to use cmd to move my beat saber folder cuz windows explorer wouldnt do it

[sullen linden]

Skill issue

[cedar belfry]

it said the files inside had a really long name and it halted

the issue was the scoresaber and beatleader replays

[sullen linden]

Still skill issue

[cedar belfry]

you can leave now, you're not funny

[sullen linden]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-homeopathic-medicine-degrees-gif-11272805

[cedar belfry]

you probably joined to come to this channel and yell at people with vr equipment, because you just joined and probably like, just 13 years of age

[sullen linden]

Meh

[cedar belfry]

hopefully you stay quiet

because you're really annoying

[dark torrent]

Someones mad my god

[sullen linden]

Ok

[sullen linden]

Who asked

[cedar belfry]

ffs

and that's how you get blocked

[sullen linden]

Meh

Bro thinks it's a flex to block someone

Also u scam people on craigslist

[cedar belfry]

I scam people? Oh that's really funny

Annoying ass kids istg

[sullen linden]

If anything, your dc server is

[cedar belfry]

you reallyyy wanna piss me off today huh

[sullen linden]

Tbh I'd tell you to touch grass but you've been probably been playing vrchat for so long that you should be touching cement instead because you're acting like your parents didn't love you and sent you to the Amazon forest to a dirt house

[cedar belfry]

And that's when I ping because you're just here to shitpost and start flamewars. You don't have to be in this specific channel, y'know

<@&750150305383186585>, sorry if i pinged for the wrong reason

[sullen linden]

Ping when you're scamming people LMAO?

[cedar belfry]

Explain how I scam people

[sullen linden]

💀

[cedar belfry]

Enlighten me

That's what I thought

You're here to start shit

lmao get botblocked

[sullen linden]

Bro had a bad day 💀

[cedar belfry]

Gaslighting people tho, how?

[sullen linden]

What is this low effort troll

Go engage with the society then maybe you'll get it

[cedar belfry]

Leave the server or mute this channel and stop pissing me off because I won't stop interacting with this conversation

[sullen linden]

Bro I'm not here to expose u go cry somewhere else

It's not gonna change anything ur just a total asshole

[cedar belfry]

I'm not an asshole, you're here to start shit on something irrelevant because of your boredom

So naturally I'm pissed

[dark torrent]

Rage issue

[sullen linden]

Brain issue

[cedar belfry]

sure, "skill issue" when copying then i explained why it was happening and here we are

[sullen linden]

Someones mad my god

[cedar belfry]

You probably have the same amount of time on gorilla tag and fortnite so I won't listen to you rant about how I don't go outside or how I should touch grass

[sullen linden]

Stay mad

[cedar belfry]

smigma grindset

are you here causing problems because your e-mommy didn't order you a choccy milky?

[sullen linden]

Nah it's bcuz I touch grass

And I have a real mommy unlike you

[cedar belfry]

Yet you are here complaining about me and starting lies

[sullen linden]

Actually I have two mommies I can borrow you one

[cedar belfry]

This is not the community to start wars in. I'm surprised this chat hasn't gotten purged yet

[sullen linden]

Sharing is caring tho

[cedar belfry]

Share some peace of mind then

[sullen linden]

Bro is truly on a filosofical high

[rancid kestrel]

They joined this place two days ago, block and move on.

[rancid kestrel]

That's annoying.

[cedar belfry]

How am I to move on
I've been accused of scamming? I'm not chill with that

They're blocked, also

[rancid kestrel]

They were just trying to get you worked up, they are winning.

[sullen linden]

Meh

[cedar belfry]

I pinged mods, they're probably eepy

[sullen linden]

Nah they just have skill issue

[cedar belfry]

this roblox kid needs some sleeby

[rancid kestrel]

I wonder why the wireless kit Vive doesn't just use USB PD.

[sullen linden]

Lol God complex

[sullen linden]

ask chatgpt for help with your godly task

[cedar belfry]

I don't think 5V over USB is enough for that though, how's it supposed to work?

normally

[rancid kestrel]

PD supports higher voltages, up to 20V if I recall.

Oh dang, it's up to 48V now.

240W of power.

[cedar belfry]

I need that for my phone

damn

[cedar belfry]

Classic oculus tracking

Moved my HMD position and everything

i was practicing jumps

[tame glacier]

yeah he is a troll

anyways, should i buy a new ocules quest 2 or a referb

[cedar belfry]

That's your decision

Tracking issues? yep!
Horrible battery? yep!
Does the software suck? in certain areas

[tame glacier]

i wish they would just bring back somethin like a vive, just the core parts, no battery and apu

[weak bluff]

What kind of vive is that

[tame glacier]

oh rift sorry

[weak bluff]

You mean just a PCVR headset?

[tame glacier]

yeah

[weak bluff]

Yep i wish too but i should not hope so

[celest sparrow]

i hope the valve deckard is still a pcvr headset like the index

i use the index daily and its great for tracking and performance (and fov)

im just hoping it at least uses lighthouse tracking (or something just as good) because vive tracker support would also be nice not having to sync your hmd position and playspace too

[gloomy crater]

If we could just get an index exactly as it is, just with better durability, higher pixel density, and access to a WiGig module for wireless PC connectivity, that would be perfect imo

[celest sparrow]

yea

a fov increase would be nice but not required tho

up to 130 compared to the 90 on quest 2 is already great

i have mine like 2mm from my eyes and its awesome

i kinda like the lower resolution because its easier for my pc to run usually

(and wired built in) makes it so much better then quest 2 at least for me

because otherwise i get super blurry all across the screen

happens to all my brothers and a few friends i have from online that usually stream stuff like beat saber with lots of moving stuff on the screen

[woeful ginkgo]

havent played vr for a while, any recommendations on vr games to buy on steam?

[soft gulch]

in the odd case you don't already have it, beatsaber

[cedar belfry]

vrchat
boneworks or bonelab
blade and sorcery
beat saber

[woeful ginkgo]

yeah i have all of those

bonelab was verrry fun

but im asking if there are any newer or non-mainstream games that i should try

[little plinth]

Vtol vr

[rancid kestrel]

I mean, there's the Index.

[lusty dagger]

Which is 5y old.

Over...

[rancid kestrel]

It's still a good headset, old doesn't mean bad.

[lusty dagger]

Its okay.

Lcd would and - oh does annoy me a heck lot.

Sound is best in class, tracking obv too.

It runs hot, lensglare of doom etc...

[rancid kestrel]

To me the tracking is one of the most important things.

Even the cheating Alyx does bothers me...

[dull otter]

Frankly, I have no best idea how to ask this, so I'm going to dive in...
Watching through (currently) through yesterday's WAN show, and noticed this part of the stream. I love the idea, thinking of buying one, or a few for some friends. Haven't decided yet.
The question I have is...especially since most of my non-work friends are VR friends, would LTT be interested in selling or working with someone to make the pin as a avatar prop in Chillout/Neos/VRChat? It's small and I think fairly simple (I've barely done much in blender, don't kill me), I don't think it'd be too much labor, but the legality is the real concern.
Or, if someone knows of something closely similar, that's fine too, lol.

[soft gulch]

I'd expect some sort of 3d model to already exist, as they've had to design it

[dull otter]

I thought the same, it just depends how well it exports and imports into Blender/Unity. That's why I mentioned Legality reasons being the main concern.

Speaking of which, I've been waiting to see a VR world build of the LTT Sets. If I had skill in either setup, I'd be up for the challenge. lol

[soft gulch]

scanning the lmg office would be fun

[dull otter]

I swear I misread that at first. Why do I misread two n's as an m... xD

[restive ivy]

What are the chances the pimax crystal will actually get face tracking even as an expansion module?

[gloomy crater]

Well this sucks. My sister's hp reverb g2 is causing her PC to instantly freeze the moment we plug it in

It's not even steamvr that's broken, it straight up system wide freezes the moment the windows mixed reality software loads

[gloomy crater]

And now somehow, trying to get her headset working has rendered the dolby atmos windows app also completely nonfunctional, so now all audio output sounds like it's coming through a tin can. I really should've just gotten her an Index. Sure it's old as hell and not that good in the grand scheme of things, but it's the one readily available native steamvr headset, and no matter what happens, it just works. And in this landscape of everything requiring troubleshooting before you can use it, having something JUST WORK is a blessing that's worth all the drawbacks that the index has.

[rancid kestrel]

Why do people keep saying old is inherently bad?

[gloomy crater]

Lack of useful features mostly. Old stuff will always lack eye and face tracking. Have worse pixel density. Be harder to repair / out of warranty, thus more expensive to fix. Will likely lose support sooner. All that

Tech always experiences deprecation way faster than any other product. A car from 2015 is considered rather new, but a phone from 2015 is thought of as old. The Index is just one example of a really well made product that's beginning to get up there in age, so it's hard to tell how long it'll be consistently good for.

[rancid kestrel]

Valve has been pretty good about repairing their stuff and what even uses face tracking other than VR Chat?

Heck, I have a Vive and it's still good.

[gloomy crater]

Tell that to my broken index controllers

[rancid kestrel]

Well this is unfortunate: https://www.ifixit.com/Parts/Valve_Index_Controller/Case_Components

How did you break them anyway?

[gloomy crater]

$300 for a new pair, or tear them apart and try to fix them myself are my only options. Warranty's are only possible for the first owners of each index kit, and with all the people buying used indexes nowadays, valve's RMA system is becoming less and less usable

[gloomy crater]

My left stick and thumb pad have stopped working, so I literally cannot move in any games that require either of those for movement, and my right controller's battery cells have degraded so badly that it doesn't hold a charge anymore, so it can't turn on

[rancid kestrel]

You could get someone else to do it too, that's the entire point of right to repair.

[gloomy crater]

I'm pretty sure I could find someone capable of soldering a new thumb stick, so I'd at least have a way to move in games. The right controller is the real issue. People aren't keen to go messing with batteries and junk on products that aren't supposed to be user serviceable in my experience. So I'm pretty much just hoping for news on the deckard to roll out, and either hear that they're including updated controllers so I know to just wait for those, or to hear that they're not updating anything and just keeping the old controllers so I know to bite the bullet and buy a new set since that's confirmation they won't be depracated any time soon

[cedar belfry]

slight performance boost

[haughty thistle]

Given that HP (a company with multiple times the budget) had to give up on their face tracker and HTC Vive took years to train their facial tracking neural network before releasing the hardware, I doubt that Pimax somehow magically can develop one in a lot less time then that to a similar degree of quality.
Just to reiterate, the G2 Omnicept has the hardware, but the software was never finished. After like a year on the market HP had given up and just released an API endpoint to access the camera feed.
And the Vive facial tracker was announced in 2019 with the Pro Eye headset, but only released in 2021. You can bet they already had worked on it for at least a year or 2 before the announcement.
Given the typical cycle for Pimax products (announce as soon as the first HW prototypes come in with an unrealistic release schedule -> delay beyond oblivion -> cancel years later and not refund customers properly), I doubt that the facial tracking they announced with the 12k is gonna be a thing. Heck, they even pretend now like the 12k was never a thing and it was the Crystal all along...

Fun-Fact: with a mount you should be able to use the Vive Facial Tracker on the Crystal, assuming it's auxillary USB-C ports are USB 3.0 Gen 1 speed. Just get yourself a 3D printed mount and have fun

[dull tide]

https://youtu.be/a9kJ2vbd7P0

Min Maxing

[cedar belfry]

just remove some of the extra plastic

like this

[weak bluff]

Remove the ring

Early access to Quest 3 controllers

[cedar belfry]

Hold on please (i'm gonna piss people off)

[cedar belfry]

yo guys today i got the quest 3 controllers, you can actually get a free upgrade using one simple trick

oh my god i feel horrible

i feel like i just committed an actual crime

[weak bluff]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Is it already dead before?

What?

[cedar belfry]

don't worry, the controller was beyond repair since the ribbon cable for the tracking ring was torn. Please understand this is for shock humour.

There's no fixing that ribbon cable

And the actual base of the controller was fucked

@weak bluff

[weak bluff]

I would extract that

Also entire tracker bricked due to cable that could be replaced. Bummer

[cedar belfry]

Oh the actual boards are fine, yea

The base of the tracking ring was gone and cracked, so I assumed it wouldn't be easily replaceable

[weak bluff]

Find another trashed quest 2 controller

Im sure it can be fixed

[cedar belfry]

I'd rather buy a new quest 2 controller, or at least used with no controller drift

I have wayyy more controllers where that came from. my school's tech recycling bin

[weak bluff]

Omg save them

You can (not good idea) convert them into FBT trackers

[cedar belfry]

Holy hell, the tracking occlusion from that would be insane

Also, how? You can only pair 1 of each controller to a headset at a time

[weak bluff]

Thats why you use 2 headsets

Its a horrible idea

[cedar belfry]

okay now what

xd

[weak bluff]

Uuuuuuuuuuh

Why you have... Nvm

There is a tutorial for that

https://youtu.be/FSfoYyIm0V8

Please don't do this

[cedar belfry]

One for VRChat and Beat Saber
The other one is for... other things

I'm joking. My other headset despises Oculus Link no matter what I do

[cedar belfry]

wasn't gonna lol

[warped cairn]

i know its not gonna have the best performance but
how well would a base rx 6600 run with quest link

[weak bluff]

I have 6600 XT and i would say not so good

[native crypt]

Its better than a 1660, and that was playable

[weak bluff]

it plays VR but air link will have poor experience when bitrate need is high

so will oculus link but link cable mostly fixes latency and signal issue not quality issue by much

[rancid kestrel]

I wonder if the Index 2 controllers will use magnets.

[little plinth]

AMD Encoder moment

is it H264?

AMD works better over HEVC

[weak bluff]

Auto

[little plinth]

i've seen someone lose half their perf on H264

6800XT

when on high bitrate

compared to HEVC

[weak bluff]

i have to try because in theory HEVC use more performance

[native crypt]

ALVR is decent. Still bitrate issues but usually manageable. I mostly have bitrate issues in just Neos (RX 6700)

[rancid kestrel]

If the hardware is there it should be comparable performance, plus you won't need as high of bitrates.

[weak bluff]

I have performance issue not bandwidth issue i dont really need to make smaller compression just better image quality

if H.264 can get better image quality but higher bandwidth ill take it

thats what i assume is the issue and HEVC is not magic sauce without cons

[little plinth]

it's not about H264 vs HEVC

but AMD Encoders are known to be better at HEVC

[weak bluff]

Yep its comparable to Nvidia

But idk if it matters

[lusty dagger]

For what?

[warm stirrup]

https://stealthoptional.com/vr/set-up-meta-quest-3/

What is the purpose of this article

[cedar belfry]

Some setup tutorial

[rancid kestrel]

The sticks.

[lusty dagger]

Just say halleffect.

I hope they have some Form of removable battery.

Id prefer Lithium Packs, but changable.

So you could have like f. E. 2 Sets.

[rancid kestrel]

18650s would be rad.

[lusty dagger]

But large and not that space efficient as a lipo Pack, so id actually prefer that

Safer ofc, but both arent exactly heath boosting when critical.

Lipos puff up, li ion tubes would vent out, Lipos could catch in flames, li ion dont really, but that happens very very rarely... And not with proper safety circuits and a User with a brain.

[rancid kestrel]

18650 is just a battery size.

[lusty dagger]

They are large compared to Batteries.

[rancid kestrel]

They can have protection and be any chemistry you want.

[lusty dagger]

Still big.

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah but there's plenty of space in VR controllers for one.

[lusty dagger]

Less than you think it seems

Look at a index battery f. E.

[rancid kestrel]

There's a massive cylinder you hold.

[lusty dagger]

Its shockingly tiny

[lusty dagger]

With Tons of Sensors inside...

[rancid kestrel]

Oh yeah the capacitive stuff.

[lusty dagger]

And the bottom Portion where the battery should sit would be too small.

[rancid kestrel]

That never really works right unfortunately.

[lusty dagger]

If its near the top, where theres no space for a battery, the weight Balance would also be f'd

[lusty dagger]

User error tbh. It calibrates itself, worked on every Person i tried.

It has a very Limited range, so it can track fingers only relatively close to it, but thats it tbh.

[rancid kestrel]

I always seems to think my pinky doesn't exist and the next finger is two.

[lusty dagger]

And it doesnt to 4 fingers, what a lot try.

[rancid kestrel]

It doesn't detect three.

[lusty dagger]

It does, do a few Finger waves and it should Pick up, if the controller is somewhat adjusted.

[rancid kestrel]

I've opened my hands and closed them repeatedly, drummed my fingers in both directions, tapped with each individual finger in different sequences, it just doesn't work.

[lusty dagger]

Then the adjustment is wrong

Try around with that

[rancid kestrel]

I've asked about how to hold the controllers before here and I was scolded for holding them. .-.

[lusty dagger]

It works from tiny child hands (9yo) to relatively big ones from my best friend

So i dont know whats up with your pair and or your adjustment.

Either way, its not a reason to hope valve ditches Finger tracking for a 18650 which is still too large for that.

[rancid kestrel]

I didn't say it was I just forgot about that because I can't think about it otherwise it will bother me that it never works.

[lusty dagger]

And id still prefer lipo based, either the thing directly with a plug - which Looks cheap, or a Module cause its higher energy density - most likely due to the metal shell of a 18650.

And for 18650s you have to have a very good Mechanism, not like the autoshutoff when the oculus Touch are too hardly accelerated xD

Drove me crazy in my rift s beatsaber time...

The only issue of any fast replacable battery is that it would increase the weight noticably...

So yea... Id also be fine with one where you at least are able to change it not like the Index ones where its like a 9 out of 5 on ifixit Ranking lol

[rancid kestrel]

If the connection thing is a problem you can use capacitors.

It's just a good idea for repairability, the batteries last long enough but after enough charge cycles they won't really work.

[lusty dagger]

More weight for nothing.

And not little.

[rancid kestrel]

It's not like they draw amps of current.

A handful of ceramic SMD caps should be workable.

[lusty dagger]

Thats why i say the best thing would be to have is swappable but not like that easy - something like a steamdeck does f. E.

So you are able to do it, but reasonably easy, not like current Index cons xD

[rancid kestrel]

I wouldn't call the Steam Deck battery swapable.

[lusty dagger]

But not enough most likely.

Considering the battery can be gone for like 100ms f. E.

A smd ceramic cap would be able to do like the Status led lol

[lusty dagger]

Im talking, you can open it reasonably easy.

Getting a smol glued battery out is pretty easy tho.

Steamdeck is large ad would need preheat so yea.

[rancid kestrel]

1.1Ah batteries.

[lusty dagger]

Daym thats bigger than i thought.

[rancid kestrel]

7+ hours they say, which means less ~20mA on average.

[lusty dagger]

1.1/8hrs is like 130ma And thing there.

[rancid kestrel]

So for less than a second you could 100% use a small bank of caps.

[lusty dagger]

Def not.

137,5mA constantly for 8hrs runtime.

To be specific.

Which would again mean relatively big caps.

[rancid kestrel]

1.1/7 is 0.16.

[lusty dagger]

Yes.

160mA.

1000mA is 1A.

[rancid kestrel]

Right I missed some zeros.

[lusty dagger]

Guess thats your issue

Ye

[rancid kestrel]

200mA.

[lusty dagger]

You have to keep in mind the led alone is like a few mA.

So 20mA was simply not realistic

Just sain - dont wanna be rude tho i am

[rancid kestrel]

Yeah I messed up the math and I admitted that.

[lusty dagger]

1F was compareable to 1 As? (amp second)

Or am i off now.

Idk.

[rancid kestrel]

I'm just trying to look up how to do the capacitance math but I'm not finding it.

[lusty dagger]

Google.

[lusty dagger]

Ugh 1C Was one Amp second...

Harder than i thaught gimme a sec.

Im guess ing 100mF - may be way off.

Aaaah

1 c is 1f is one Amp second it was that easy.

[rancid kestrel]

(0.2*s)/3.3 .-.

[lusty dagger]

No - dont know what you try

Forget volts for caps xD

Alltho its not that easy but lets ignore that.

[rancid kestrel]

Discord won't let me paste images.

[lusty dagger]

In theory. For 200mA for 100ms youd need 20mF then

But.

As you want to keep the voltage at some Level, it would have to be a lot larger.

Thats 33mF

Big.

Waaaaait.

Nooo

That 0.33mF

We need theoredically 20 min.

[rancid kestrel]

There are definitely caps big enough for this then.

20 minutes?

That's ludacris.

[lusty dagger]

We want 20mF

That pic is 0.33

And thats for 200mA for 100ms

And wed actually want more.

A Lithium based super cap could be a thing.

But this just prooves its not as simple as soldering a few ceramic caps which have a lot less than These electrolytic ones.

[rancid kestrel]

Anyway, something more like an old phone battery is better.

[lusty dagger]

Ofc.

If the Design is smart cause spring loaded.

Basically has to be Sprung to the top of the con, not to the bottom.

Aka the Design flaw of the oculus Touch Controllers.

[rancid kestrel]

If you do it like the old phone batteries you don't need a spring.

[lusty dagger]

The contacts are spring loaded.

The battery can be Pressed aggainst them

To Release it

So yes it is

[rancid kestrel]

They aren't spring loaded at all.

[lusty dagger]

Show a pic what you mean.

Every Model i know used that exact Mechanism i just explained

Nothing spring loaded at all doesnt work for anything not plugged

[rancid kestrel]

No springs.

[lusty dagger]

So like the idea i gave some time ago, plugged lipo.

Only issue, Looks cheap.

And isnt really fixed in the device, you could use foam though or something.

I can Tell you tho, this wont happen

[rancid kestrel]

It will have to with the EU stuff.

[lusty dagger]

But not like that.

I hate it...

Just give me a clear Text of what the EU guidline says not any sites refering to it, some say Smartphones, some cams, Laptops PCs etc - not anything like a Controller

Etc... Annoying af.

[rancid kestrel]

YOOO

[lusty dagger]

The Song is maybe played by like 200 people :p

I have something better.

Place 3 of 3 xD

https://www.beatleader.xyz/leaderboard/global/2bdd1xx91/1

[rancid kestrel]

That's hard to believe, it's Queen and this game has thousands of players.

[lusty dagger]

9 out of 350ish should be one of my best ratios

https://www.beatleader.xyz/leaderboard/global/affd51/1

[lusty dagger]

Map link?

Doesnt matter btw, if the map is unknown...

Also that game has more like Millions of players

[rancid kestrel]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2407768/Beat_Saber__Queen__Stone_Cold_Crazy/

Steam

Beat Saber - Queen - Stone Cold Crazy

Get the track 'Stone Cold Crazy' by Queen and slash the beats! This track is part of the Queen Music Pack, brought to you by Queen Music LTD, by arrangement with Sony Music Publishing.

Price

$1.99

[lusty dagger]

Oh god its Ost.

And got it, expert, basically noone plays that diff for rank

[rancid kestrel]

It's a good song.

[lusty dagger]

Doesnt matter, its Ost, Ost is mostly trash mapping

And slow.

[pulsar lantern]

I used a Google cardboard VR once and it was sick

[rustic garnet]

that's because cardboard isn't real vr

but it's a really good litmus test for if you're a vr believer or a doubter

Like if you're willing and able to look past the flaws and see the potential for immersion and interaction of the medium

Or if you only focus on the rough edges of what is basically a first stage prototype unit pushed to market to give the aforementioned people a cheap appetizer taste of tech to come

[cedar belfry]

da score

[paper mason]

I played a bit of vr for the first time using a friend's oculus quest 2.

Jeez it was

Like I was transported to a different world 0<0

[warped cairn]

no im 100% using a cable

[cedar belfry]

how am i just now learning about about nofio's existence

[cedar belfry]

94 FC

[scenic oxide]

Is there anyone here with experience with the Pico 4 if so is it ok for PCVR gaming

[cedar belfry]

I don't have a Pico 4, sorryy

[rancid kestrel]

I don't think I've ever been particularly immersed in VR stuff, but I have fun with it anyway.

[cedar belfry]

thats a new controller stat, huh

[little plinth]

it's good

[scenic oxide]

Okey thanks

[rancid kestrel]

Steam VR has always shown battery charge, I wish the wireless battery would tell the headset how much charge it had.

[cedar belfry]

Is there an addon or overlay I can install (that isn't ovr toolkit) so I can see the battery percentages on Quest

[rustic fossil]

So far liking the 7800X3D for VR. It's smoother than with my last CPU.

Still rocking a Rift S from 2018, had no issues other than the built in mic completely stopped working, so I attached a Modmic wireless to it

[little plinth]

VRC is really... "optimized"

looking at that makes me giggle

19% CPU 56% GPU and still not even 90FPS

[weak bluff]

I want to see which core is choked at 100% while the rest just watch

[rustic fossil]

Once I load into a 30 player server, it'll start eating.

[rustic fossil]

I mean it

[cedar belfry]

oh no, the rift s mic...

[paper mason]

Would plugging an occulus or a vr headset into a 4770k rx 570 8gb pc still improve performance even if the specs aren't the best

[warm stirrup]

It'll work but not great, definitely wouldn't be able to play more demanding titles at decent graphics settings

[rancid kestrel]

No idea, I have a Vive.

[warm stirrup]

Does gear vr still work on current Samsung phones?

[weak bluff]

not anymore

and even some past supported will lose GearVR support from Android 10

or 11 i dont remember\

Galaxy S10 is the last

[rustic fossil]

At least it's a really good quality wireless mic, and I can use it on a future headset.

[hot forge]

i need help i just update my window from window 10 to 11 and now for some reason my oculus quest doesn't want to connect to my pc via air link any know fixes i have tried re installing the oculus app on my pc and i had tried turning it on and off and nothing seem s to work

[hot forge]

update i tried downgradingto window 10 again but its still the same the air link doesn't work

[woeful path]

Rumors are saying that a possible Samsung VR/AR headset prototype has been leaked

What do y'all think

Are they really gonna

[lethal peak]

Hmmmm.....

I'm a VR Dev and I've seem MANY prototypes that "Almost" got released

They usually focused on one key spec, but lack in others.

I have a prototype Gear VR as I was one of the devs they brought on board for content before its launch

looked nothing like the final

Thats acutually something I was tempted to reach out to LTT about. I have some VERY old VR headsets from the 80s. The founding hardware so to speak.

He dives into dev hardware sometimes (most of which I'm very familiar with since I worked at PlayStation for about 10 years before going indie in 2014)

[lethal peak]

Here is one such vintage VR headset I have

This is the same model headset that was used in Lawnmower Man

[granite mist]

Anyone have an idea why I lag whenever I play anything on my quest 1, I have the official link cable and everything and my specs can’t be the problem as I have a 12900k and a 3070ti.

[lethal peak]

Your specs are good

Is it a laptop?

[granite mist]

It’s stutter a lot and even it causes my mic to lag behind

Nope it’s a pc

Or desktop I guess

[lethal peak]

Did the USB test in the oculus app show any issues? Its in the Devices section.

[granite mist]

Nope

[granite mist]

They said it’s all good I get an error when using airlink but that’s because I have 2.4ghz band

[lethal peak]

Hmmm...

What is your battery like on your Quest?

I know it can get warm when charging and using airlink at the same time

I don't think its any kind of thermal throttling, but its good to check all things

[sullen linden]

Hey I'm having this problem ONLY with blade and sorcery. I'm getting only 60 fps capped even at lowest settings. I have tried soo many fixes, including but not limited to changing my refresh rate in oculus, making steam run with launch conmands to change refresh rate, using a oculus killer application, resetting windows, reinstalling drivers etc etc. Some things to note are that I have a 4070, a ryzen 3800x, and I'm running bas on a 990 pro. I've switched gpus about 3 times since I've been playing bas, and my other gpus were capped at 72. One interesting thing I've seen, is if I put the quality all the way down, it seems to go up to around 64 fps. Also I've already done the option in oculus dev settings that halfs fps I've already tried turning that off. This has literally been a problem for years. I cannot get anywhere near high fps on blade and sorcery. But ANY other game like bonelab for example, I can run at a solid over 120fps on ultra. Now 60fps in a vr fighting game is horrible. Also my steam latency is like 3 to 4, well below the 120fps limit. If anyone has any ideas please let me know, this is extremely annoying and I just want to get this fps problem over with.

[cedar belfry]

Good job writing the paragraph... you're not alone on the capped FSP issue, I think it's the game not supporting more than 60FPS even with Steam's launch options

[sullen linden]

Really? That sucks, 60 fps on a fast paced fighting game in vr 😐

I saw this while looking I'm gonna try

[weak bluff]

Oculus sofware in settings > Beta there should be an option to restart Oculus Software

[weak bluff]

we discussed shortly before #virtual-reality message

[sullen linden]

i'll try the comment right now and see if it works i'll keep you guys posted

[weak bluff]

sounds like you have ASW on

its intentional to prevent you getting sick

[rancid kestrel]

There was a setting in Steam VR that was supposed to smooth over performance hiccups and make VR better but it just made it worse for me.

[sullen linden]

asw?

[weak bluff]

asynchronous spacewarp

for example if you can run at 69fps the ASW will auto cap your FPS to 60 for better latency

and will go to 90 fps if your PC can run above that

this is a technique used in VR to reduce latency and motion sickness

there is a way to disable it but... its like that to reduce sickness so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sullen linden]

oh i've already diabled it

it does nothing

for the fps

[sullen linden]

you can disable it in the oculus dev menu

it's not the problem

[weak bluff]

then im out of idea

[sullen linden]

tbh the comment that this guy made didn't work either

[sullen linden]

same... thanks for trying to help tho

[little plinth]

not what ASW does
and ASW worsen latency

it's almost like frame gen but different

[weak bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little plinth]

but the goal is the same

make them fake frames

though ASW eat up VRAM and runs on the PC's GPU

if possible, defo use VD and SSW

since SSW run on the XR2's motion estimation

so it won't give extra load to the PC

[sterile cove]

Anyone know a good shop that can repair index controllers? Both controllers have their USB-C ports unseated, and need re-soldered. Valve support is hinting that they wont replace the controllers. They said it might not be covered under the warranty.

i do have backups, my original index controllers. Which I replaced due to the fact the right controller is missing its joy stick, and only has the metal stick. Really screws with muscle memory.

[hot forge]

i tried it still not detecting my quest 2 it says it cannot find the quest

[weak bluff]

does the oculus link menu shows your pc in list of connected devices

you might have to disable firewall rule for all oculus software

another reason might be your software or headset is out of date

[hot forge]

1. it does show
2. how do i do that i have disable fire wall thru the windows defender?
3. i already updated it to the newest software