dedicated-servers

[quick mist]

Password: 

[silent sequoia]

letmeinplease!

[versed merlin]

I figured. :). hence my humor. 🙂

[quick mist]

NO CARRIER

[versed merlin]

WE GOT THE PASSWORD, BOYS! LET”S GO!

[silent sequoia]

that moment when root login disabled on ssh 😦

[reef lily]

im a tech guy but not familiar with linux. could you elaborate on the overhead advantages? less ram usage overall, less background bloat, both, better kernel packaging...?

[silent sequoia]

do you guys actually use ssh keys?

[versed merlin]

As for the issue at hand, is anyone else able to connect to the server, or do they all see it as offline??

[quick mist]

put simply, with Windows, the computer is at all times having to deal with painting a desktop, a graphical login interface, the mouse input, all of the Sturm und Drang that come with Active Directory... a lot of cruft that's just not there on a headless Linux server

[silent sequoia]

im gonna get slander for this screenshot

[versed merlin]

when I’m connecting from my iPad to my ubuntu server at home, yeah. and when using PUTTY from my windows system to the server, yeah. Rest of the time, if it’s a one-off connection I use my user/pass

[quick mist]

whenever possible, yes

though I've been mulling over switching to SSL certificates

[reef lily]

gotchu. less GUI all DOS, meaning less drivers, background processing, overall less to do besides run the server

[silent sequoia]

i just dont port forward ssh and zerotier to access them and only allow connections from the vpn

linux is just godly for servers

[lime elm]

Ugh, guys pls... help... Keep getting insane lag on the server and when its happening the average tick rate plumets to less than 10. There's only 2 of us on the server. What could be causing this? I have also noted that the tickrate drops as more players join

[silent sequoia]

is it when the game is saving?

[versed merlin]

Have you checked the QA site to see if there’s others reporting similar issue?

[quick mist]

more players means more updates means the server has to work more per tick which means the tickrate may go down if there are not enough cycles to do all the math in the universe 30 times per second. It's largely dependent on the singlecore clock speed of the host's processor. periodic lag spikes, every 5 minutes or so, may be due to the additional load of periodic autosaving

[lime elm]

hmm

[reef lily]

i tried to learn linux a long time ago but i just couldnt make it stick. iv learned a lot since then so i might give it another shot. but what linux distros do you reccomend? when i tried to learn before i used a GUI heavy ubuntu

[lime elm]

the cpu on the server is a Intel Xeon Gold 6230R seems to be a 2.1Ghz jobby

with boost to 4ghz

[reef lily]

whats you ram capacity on the server?

[lime elm]

8gb

[reef lily]

right there

[silent sequoia]

jobby lmao are you scottish?

[lime elm]

na lol

8gb should be fine, AMP shows usage around 6gb

[silent sequoia]

amp gang 💪

[lime elm]

😉

[next smelt]

Anyone else getting like a desync issue? When i join my server, I'm just stuck in place and only my arms bob up and down. When i relog, I am in a new position, but still stick

[versed merlin]

Ubuntu’s server distribution is pretty good for newbies not used to a text-only environment. Asking a question like “What’s a good distro” will get you as many answers as there are admins nearby 😄

[reef lily]

im just now upgrading my server. my usage showed about 7 out of 8 but i saw it was using the paging file system. might be an optimization thing or the server could be reserving a little space for data shuffling but ill let you know if my upgrade fixes our issues 🙂

[next smelt]

repsawning seemed to fix it

[versed merlin]

Each distro tends to focus on a distinct thing… Ubuntu tends to focus on stability at the cost of its software packages being a little behind the bleeding edge, etc…

[lime elm]

so the tick rate is down to 10 ish and the server is not saving, CPU usage is not spiking

[reef lily]

fair. should specify. whats a good learning distro that will still be a better version for the server lol

cool

so ubuntu 🙂

[silent sequoia]

ubuntu server but go with an lts version

[versed merlin]

it’s what I, personally, recommend for new folks to get their feet wet. Stick with an “LTS” version (currently 20.04) for “Long Term Support”

the other versions, while newer, will get sunset sooner, and you’ll have to update the version more often.

[reef lily]

last question. would there be any issue trying to port over a save file from the current windows server the the new linux? are they the same file type and readable?

[versed merlin]

no issues.

[reef lily]

thanks guys. ❤️
huge help

[versed merlin]

the windows server will read the linux file, and vice-versa.

[silent sequoia]

upload it that way if it makes it easier

[quick mist]

I like Ubuntu Server, because it's lightweight and has pretty good currency with later releases. But if you really want to get elbows-deep and learn A TON, I recommend Gentoo

[silent sequoia]

for servers?

[quick mist]

for learning Linux in general

(but as was said: ask ten folks "what is a good distro" and you'll get forty-seven answers)

[dull bronze]

Has anyone had it where they click on "authenticate" - the password window pops up. You type it in. Hit confirm - and then nothing happens?

[timid slate]

So, I keep getting the server offline message. And when I check the logs on the server I see this message: "[2021.11.24-19.49.04:826][729]LogNet: NotifyAcceptingConnection accepted from: MyIP:Port"

[quick mist]

I have not seen this

[timid slate]

So, seems like the server is running kind off?

[quick mist]

that is typical behavior when the query port is forwarded but the other two are not

[timid slate]

Q.Q It's Nitrado 😦

[silent sequoia]

so its not just the truck then the vehicles dont unload aswell 😦

[quick mist]

probably not a super helpful response but "vehicles are working fine on my server"

[bold atlas]

I spotted a bit of a bug in the dedicated server.

[quick mist]

care to elaborate?

[versed merlin]

well, that was specific. you’ll go far in these parts

[timid slate]

Just one?

[bold atlas]

It saves games in $HOME/.config/Epic/FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames, but it should be $HOME/.local instead

[quick mist]

what makes you say this?

[versed merlin]

why do you say it “SHOULD”?

[bold atlas]

Savegames aren't config files. Sure, let me pull up the RFC.

[quick mist]

ah, so not a bug per se; a design flaw.

[silent sequoia]

how can i get notified if an update comes out for the dedi server?

[quick mist]

watch #patch-notes

[bold atlas]

Depends on perspective, but the .config directory isn't guaranteed to be local, or even writable

(Although I wouldn't bother dealing with non-local .config folders)

[versed merlin]

True.

[quick mist]

nothing is guaranteed, but it's usually a safe bet that one can write in one's own home directory

[bold atlas]

Typically.

Okay.

I can point anyone who wants at the spec.

[quick mist]

that said:

[bold atlas]

By private message, I guess

[timid slate]

Apparantly, on Nitrado I need to use the Query port 🤷

[reef lily]

right click #patch-notes and add notifications

[quick mist]

if you do want your host to conform to the spec, you can move the files to .local and create a symlink at the old location so that the server does not get sad

[silent sequoia]

ive done it lol i thought it was just for the game and not for the servers

[bold atlas]

I'm not that bothered. This is very much a nit.

Let's see... h t t p s : / / specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html

[quick mist]

my main nit was "why are you stashing save files in a hidden directory tree by default" (:

[mossy radish]

Arch is another good linux distro for learning, mostly because a person has to do a lot of stuff themselves

[timid slate]

So, who wants to know if a Linux server is more performant then a windows server? I have my save running on both atm.

[mossy radish]

Exact same build on both?

[timid slate]

Yup

[mossy radish]

I'd guess they perform mostly evenly

[timid slate]

Only thing I don't know is the specific hardware

[silent sequoia]

how much is windows using tho?

[bold atlas]

Without identical hardware that's not a useful comparison..

[quick mist]

that's kind of an important control for an A/B performance test...

[timid slate]

Windows: 10
Linux: 18

I know, just want to hate a bit more on G-Portal 😛

[silent sequoia]

I could do it in 2 vms if i could be bothered

[timid slate]

Though both G-Portal and Nitrado say they use top of the line hardware

[bold atlas]

That would be way more useful.

And you believed them? 😛

[timid slate]

Currently I believe Nitrado more then G-Portal 😂

[quick mist]

they use top-of-the-line only in that it is above the line marked 'TOTAL DUE' on the invoices they send out

[silent sequoia]

someone make a satisfactory benchmark save file

[quick mist]

paging the guy from Let's Game It Out..

[timid slate]

So, almost double the performance I had on my old server now = me is happy 🙂

[silent sequoia]

i was having performance issues but i had power saving mode enabled in my servers management panel

[fleet silo]

the belts in the dedicated server are a bit broken haha

[mossy radish]

LOL his radioactive tornado is nuts

[azure jasper]

Any recommendations on hosting sites? I dont have the bandwidth to host a server myself

[versed merlin]

“Hi, I’m Josh, from Let’s Game It Out, and it’s time for more Satisfactory. The game where we find new and creative ways of ruining my frame rate, killing Lizard Doggo’s and create new methods of destroying whatever this thing is…”

[quaint forge]

Evening All,

A couple questions:

1. Are people still having issues with large saves - where it kicks everyone out of the server?

2. Is there a way to extend the interval between saves (e.g. every 6 or 12 hours)

[severe badge]

2. https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers/Configuration_files

[quaint forge]

oh awesome! Is it the mNumRotatingAutosaves I need to configure?

[severe badge]

Nope, look below that

[quaint forge]

Nevermind - read further below.

Got it. Thanks

[quick mist]

I am on the verge of having a command line tool to do a ping / health check for a server

[sturdy bough]

Can someone tell me, if I run a dedicated server, does my factory continue to 'run' as long as the server is running? (eg. when I'm not playing)

[idle flower]

yes, if you uncheck the sleep when no players mode.

[sturdy bough]

@idle flower thanks

[idle flower]

sure

I know this has most likely been asked a bunch, where should I keep an eye on when modding is supported for dedi's? Will it be SMM/SML?

[quick mist]

for the latter question: No idea whatsover; it may be one of those or it might be something totally new. As for where to watch.. probably whatever venues in which the modders are currently active

[idle flower]

TY, I will keep my eyes peeled 🙂

[alpine dawn]

bet you could build like a nagios check or Zabbix

[quick mist]

$ python3 sfcheck.py "$MYHOST" 15777
        Response Time   33.61msec
        Server Status:  Live
        Server Version  173618

[idle flower]

cat sfcheck.py 🙂

[quick mist]

adding some sanity checking

stand by

[idle flower]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-mandalorian-stormtrooper-standing-by-stand-by-gif-15911372

[wary bluff]

Olla - anybody has seen this Error on Dedicated with Debian ?

[2021.11.24-20.55.04:600][387]LogCore: Error: appError called: Assertion failed: Cast<AFGBuildableConveyorBase>( mSnappedConection->GetOwner() ) [File:D:/ws/SB-211116092526-440/UE4/Games/FactoryGame/Source/FactoryGame/Private/Hologram/F>
make sure we are only connecting to conveyors

[2021.11.24-20.55.04:651][387]LogCore: === Critical error: ===
Unhandled Exception: SIGSEGV: invalid attempt to write memory at address 0x0000000000000003

happens quiet often and then The Server restarts

[quick mist]

import socket, sys
from time import time

serverStates = {
    1 : 'Idle',
    2 : 'Preparing world',
    3 : 'Live'
}

def probeServer( address = 'test.example.com', port = 15777 ):
    msgID       = bytes.fromhex( '00' )
    msgProtocol = bytes.fromhex( '00' )
    msgData     = bytes( 'PingTest'.encode() )

    srvAddress = address
    srvPort = int(port)
    bufferSize = 1024

    UDPClientSocket = socket.socket( family=socket.AF_INET, type=socket.SOCK_DGRAM )
    time_sent = time()
    UDPClientSocket.sendto( msgID + msgProtocol + msgData, ( srvAddress, srvPort ) )
    msgFromServer = UDPClientSocket.recvfrom( bufferSize )
    time_recv = time()
    response = msgFromServer[0]
    rspState = response[10]
    rspVer=response[11:15]

    return( ( rspState, rspVer, time_recv - time_sent ) )

def main( address, port ):
    response = probeServer( address, port )
    print( f'\tResponse Time\t{response[2]*1000:04.2f}msec' )
    print( f'\tServer Status:\t{serverStates[response[0]]}' )
    print( f'\tServer Version\t{int.from_bytes( response[1], "little" )}' )
    return None

if __name__ == '__main__':
    if len( sys.argv ) < 2:
        print( 'Please provide a host address to check, followed by a query port.' )
    else:
        main(sys.argv[1], sys.argv[2])

[idle flower]

niiiice

[quick mist]

does this happen repeatably when doing a specific thing in-game?

[wary bluff]

I wasnt able to isolate this until now

I have a clue it happens if you use mass-dismantling

[quick mist]

aaah.. that may be related to a bug in an earlier version that it was thought was fixed.

or a similar problem

[wary bluff]

hm.. using latest version 😕

[quick mist]

Try, if at all possible, to figure out a way to make it happen on-demand so that it can be replicated and fixed.

but as a workaround, when mass-dismantling, try to avoid dismantling the holograms of things you have already dismantled

(that was the seeming proximate cause of the earlier bug)

[wary bluff]

K.. I'll try to reproduce and report on Q&A, if is not already

[idle flower]

works great, thank you!

[quick mist]

making a rev that allows the port to be left out to use the default

[idle flower]

I'm curious what else can you get from that API, is there a doc that you're referencing?

[quick mist]

I can get server version, state, and the beacon port; that's it

[clever quarry]

anyway to make the server saves .. non-blocking ? Each time the server is saving we are finding ourselves pulled back 1-3 seconds

[quick mist]

new and improved. For reference, see #906213950524379186 for the data I was working from.

$ cat sfcheck.py
import socket, sys
from time import time

serverStates = {
    1 : 'Idle',
    2 : 'Preparing world',
    3 : 'Live'
}

def probeServer( address = 'test.example.com', port = 15777 ):
    msgID       = bytes.fromhex( '00' )
    msgProtocol = bytes.fromhex( '00' )
    msgData     = bytes( 'PingTest'.encode() )

    srvAddress = address
    srvPort = int(port)
    bufferSize = 1024

    UDPClientSocket = socket.socket( family=socket.AF_INET, type=socket.SOCK_DGRAM )
    time_sent = time()
    UDPClientSocket.sendto( msgID + msgProtocol + msgData, ( srvAddress, srvPort ) )
    UDPClientSocket.settimeout(5)
    try:
        msgFromServer = UDPClientSocket.recvfrom( bufferSize )
    except socket.timeout:
        print( f'Connection timed out.' )
        exit(1)
    UDPClientSocket.close()
    time_recv = time()
    response = msgFromServer[0]
    rspState = response[10]
    rspVer=response[11:15]

    return( ( rspState, rspVer, time_recv - time_sent ) )

def main( address, port ):
    response = probeServer( address, port )
    print( f'\tResponse Time\t{response[2]*1000:04.2f}msec' )
    print( f'\tServer Status:\t{serverStates[response[0]]}' )
    print( f'\tServer Version\t{int.from_bytes( response[1], "little" )}' )
    return None

if __name__ == '__main__':
    proceed=False
    if len( sys.argv ) == 3:
        host = sys.argv[1]
        port = sys.argv[2]
        proceed = True
    elif len( sys.argv ) == 2:
        host = sys.argv[1]
        port = 15777
        proceed = True
    if proceed:
        main( host, port )
    else:
        print( f'Please invoke {sys.argv[0]} with a host to probe, followed optionally by a port.' )

[glacial vortex]

What should the server tick rate be ideally?

[dense grotto]

one of my friends is getting this when trying to join dedi

[quick mist]

thirty

[quick mist]

only one of your friends? can others connect okay?

[dense grotto]

yep

[quick mist]

Future updates will be here: https://github.com/dopeghoti/SF-Tools

[dense grotto]

me and another are in and he's getting that

[glacial vortex]

And if its dropping? Any tips for optimising? Mines dropping to ~15, on a gcloud machine where load average is ~1.2 on a 4 core VM

[mossy radish]

Changing MaxTrickRate to 60 appears to have affected connection stability

[quick mist]

it's taking his client more than 30 seconds to connect to the server and it's timing out. if his computer is a potato or his hard dive is a chiseled stone tablet that may cause problems. there are steps in the Wiki to increase this timeout limit if you want to try it

[dense grotto]

yea he has hdd and usually last to load in

[quick mist]

depending on the speed of a single core, that's not too concerning. Tick rate is just the number of times per second the world is getting updated and is not directly connected to the client frame rate. if it gets really low you might have some rubberbanding issues

[dense grotto]

thanks, i'll give it a try

[glacial vortex]

Oh no issue with frame rate, I have issues with belt and machine throughput being way off

[quick mist]

it may be that the individual core speed may be insufficient.

[glacial vortex]

gcloud pretty annoying for that. picking number of cores is easy, the size of those cores is not

[earnest willow]

when using console in the Server Manager to save, is this just a bug

Saving game to "

[quick mist]

Yes, I believe that's a known bug.

[earnest willow]

i think i broke it, can you have a space in session name

[marsh dawn]

Should I run flake8 on this? 😛

[vapid hazel]

anyone know there is a Exclamation point in a red triangle near the server management?

[quick mist]

I use three-space indentation so it might not be pleased.

[quick mist]

yes, that is always there. it's there to draw the eye to the new menu option, not to indicate a problem

[marsh dawn]

56 warns 😄

[quick mist]

but no errors \o/

[marsh dawn]

Well to me all warns are considered errors xD

But meh, if it works it works ^^

[quick mist]

$ echo '# flake8: noqa' >> sftest.py

fixed!

SMH.. why does apt want to install python2 when I try to install the python3-pyflakes package?

[marsh dawn]

what linux you're running?

[marsh dawn]

Probably apt being stupid or misconfigured.

[hidden grove]

I coulda swore I seen a command to add more admins to the dedicated server, but now I cant find it... was I imagining things?

[ornate osprey]

You should just need to give them the password to enter into their client when they connect

[quick mist]

Ubuntu server. Also wow, PEP really hates spaces around parens. Well heck PEP, it's way more readable as print( f'output of { function( list[ subfunction( arg ) ] ) }' ) than as print(f'output of {function(list[subfuction(arg)])}')

(to me at least)

[ornate osprey]

So, I got my dedicated server up and running this past weekend... I guess a couple times it's given players a 30 minute notice before a reboot, and the only other person with admin access hasn't been rebooting it, nor have I... is this something that just regularly happens?

[quick mist]

The server automagically restarts once every 24h

[ornate osprey]

I was thinking that was the case but wanted to verify it was expected

[marsh dawn]

Spaces are evil 🙂

[quick mist]

don't tell me you :shudder: use tabs

[marsh dawn]

4 spaces = 1 tab (common in the industry)
But IDE converts tab to spaces so you don't have to worry.

[untold finch]

3.5space tab ftw! 🙂

[safe path]

https://youtu.be/IEi2ivDt5iw

A little Video I made with all the Issues we ran into.

[north dragon]

Where are the server save files saved? Because I have moved the folder to another place and started it as a service but the folder with the saved games does not appear, it tells me that I have to create it again

[spiral root]

Windows or Linux?

!wikisearch save

[hushed gate]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=save

[spiral root]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Loading_a_save_file

[marsh dawn]

root? spicy.

[north dragon]

nothing

I have moved the Steam folder to / opt and when starting it with satisfactory.service it does not detect the save folders

[spiral root]

It wont save files will always be in ~/.config for the user.

Not in .steam

So if you run as root it will be /root/.config/Epic/...etc or if your using the cristianhd341 user then it would be /home/cristianhd341/.config/Epic...etc

[north dragon]

ty

[burnt estuary]

can one help me? I will create a Server (Steam), but i can`t run.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/874027105854312448/913204542986924092/Screenshot_83.png

[quick mist]

(but please do not run it as the root user)

[north dragon]

Where would I have to move the save folder to detect it, because the service is being executed by another user who does not have / home

[grizzled sundial]

Is anyone else seeing a big ram hike since yesterday’s update? Was riding solid at 4GB ish for days and now server steadily grows to max ram over time. Until crash…

[severe badge]

Yep, noticed the same. Here's my graph of memory use. It maxes out at the limit of memory that I've granted the VM, then keeps on growing and cannibalizing the file cache etc.

[grizzled sundial]

Yup mine as well.

[severe badge]

Guess I'll make the https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ post then

[severe badge]

If anyone else is noticing memory use increasing, go ahead and upvote this and add your experiences:
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/619ed0fb831c8520523616fc

Also... is there a way to do code formatting on that site? I'm not seeing anything...

[copper niche]

I set up my dedicated server (windows). How does my friend join it?

[quick mist]

make sure the port forwarding is set up properly, and your friend can punch your IP address into the Server Manager in eir game client and join that way

[dusky valley]

the port forwarding is the fun part, I am still banging my head against that since my modem/router is being a pain

[copper niche]

Where do I find my ip? Just my public ip like at whatsmyip?

[dusky valley]

yes, IPv4

[copper niche]

If my internet goes out temporarily, is there a way they can find it again or do I need to look it up each time?

[dusky valley]

you will need to look it up any time it changes

[lime elm]

Cant play like this, so laggy.

[copper niche]

aight thanks

[dusky valley]

should be able to just play until they have trouble connecting, then look up and try that

[quick mist]

if your IP address changes, yet, you'll have to get it again and have your friend refresh it. but you can also set up a dynamic DNS service (which is beyond the scope of this channel) to automatically keep a hostname up to date

[copper niche]

Port they connect to is 15777 right?

[dusky valley]

Anyone had luck with port forwarding on an ATT fiber modem?

yes

unless you've changed it in server setup

[lime elm]

anyone elses tickrate so low its unplayable??

[quick mist]

I'm not on Tier Eight yet on my server, but it's been pretty solid for me. There are reports of a memory leak though so if your server has been up for a long time you might want to do a graceful shutdown and restart to 'clear the pipes'

[lime elm]

server was fine for the most part, this past week its been this bad. I have reinstalled ubuntu and its still bad

[untold finch]

hmm.. my 4th freight platform hates me.. the wagon is loaded, the platform is set to unload like the other 3, and yet, the train pulls in, and that wagon doesn't unload.. tried rebuilding the freight platform, now testing with a parallel station.. it's like it decides there isn't even a wagon to unload or something.

[lime elm]

u need to delete the train

all of it

[quick mist]

try ripping out and reconnecting the power to the station

[untold finch]

well.. same train into a parallel station unloads all wagons.. tried cutting power to the station, no change

I'll try rebuilding the station and all 4 platforms..

total rebuild of the station and all platforms fixed it

[hazy magnet]

anyone around with any server experince

[untold finch]

I'm running it in docker on win, (previously docker on linux) .. not the most obvious way, but works for me, as I'm familiar with docker etc

[hazy magnet]

i am running hte gui varient through steam. it will not allow me to change the session to friends only though

[untold finch]

docker is using steamcmd to download it.. I don't remember when I set the session type, when I created the session on the server I think.. I've not changed it since making it

[hazy magnet]

if i remove the server does it get rid of it or can i make a new one and see then as i dont even see this option

[untold finch]

I don't know what you mean by 'remove the server' or 'get rid of it' .. both are kind of important

[lime elm]

Ok, ive been doing some digging... there seems to be a multithreading issue. I thought they patched it? is there something I can do to fix this? The server is pegging 1 core and may well be the cause of my bad tick rate

[untold finch]

the last patch made a huge difference for my twin xeon system.. but I had to move it from there to my i9-9900k with windows docker, I'm not sure how many vcpu's are allocated in docker at the mo.. but I haven't had any issues to need me to go look how many cores are loaded yet.

[lime elm]

i dont run in docker, should i give it a go?

[quick mist]

not unless you really need to

it adds needless complexity

[quick mist]

#dedicated-servers message
The game does leverate more cores, but it's still mainly single-threaded. it does what it can

[untold finch]

Aye.. I'd agree.. I use docker all the time for work, so there's zero extra effort for me, and I get the ability to treat the server like I treat all my other containerised services, which is a bonus for me.

[quick mist]

well go for it then (: we can help troubleshoot server issues, but not docker issues, is all (:

[untold finch]

If you're not into containerised stuff.. stay away from docker 🙂

[quick mist]

I still need to look into it more, but it still just reads to me as "virtual machines with magic smoke"

[untold finch]

Exactly.. fwiw, I'm using wolveix/satisfactory-server:latest and it's decently well built.. I just restart the container to pick up patches etc, the game & config & saves are all stored in a dir mounted to the container, so it doesn't need to go get them all again every launch & they survive container deletion etc.

I do a lot of docker/k8s stuff as part of my day job, where I play with various cloud native architectures, and patterns.. if you're running docker on linux, there are no vm's .. it's all just magic smoke (pretty clever stuff.. but a LOT lighter than a full vm).. docker on win/mac has (had? not entirely sure now with WSL2 and hyper-v and stuff on win) used a VM to provide the linux env for the containers.

Kinda wonder what a horizontally scaled microservice architected Unreal Engine might look like ;p

I mean.. you'd need like a 16gb server just to fire up the framework to host it.. but I hate to think how many people you could get thru it 🙂

[heavy shale]

Anyone know how to install mods on a server?

[quick mist]

by waiting until literally any get released, for starters

I imagine when that happens, they will come with directions

[heavy shale]

So what the only way to play with mods with multiplayer is just a player hosted world?

[quick mist]

Ask those who made the mods if they're compatible with dedicated servers and if so, how to install them. I've no idea.

[severe badge]

On mac it runs a linux VM for the containers as well

[reef gull]

Am modder, no, no support yet for servers. It is in the works though. I think we were caught off guard, but I'm not privy to the secret-sauce channel on the Modding Discord.

I have a mod geared more for servers... trust me, I'm keeping in the loop the best I can. Ben has been kind to let me know what he is permitted.

[brittle sonnet]

Some have already been released for U5

[quick mist]

for dedicated servers?

[carmine jay]

closest I get to mods is save edits. lol

[oblique gale]

does any one know how to fix invisible conveyors? I have deleted and rebuilt the equipment it was attached to. It shows for a little bit then goes invis again.

[carmine jay]

restart server and client?

[quick mist]

They're working on getting that Really For Real Really Fixed, but I've found that wandering away (like 1Km) and back seems to fix it when it happens

[severe badge]

Definitely look into it. Containers and Kubernetes are the way the industry is headed these days.
For personal use, yes, it takes some additional knowledge, but once past that I find it much simpler to deploy containers to launch services and keep them running.
XKCD has an opinion on the matter that you may appreciate though xkcd com / 1988
(to get around the link whitelisting)

[oblique gale]

ok ty

[quick mist]

Zen and the art of Microservices right there (:

[carmine jay]

got a docker-compose file that docker image? 🙂 I tried it initially in docker, I forget what happened but it didn't work so I want native with steamcmd.

[severe badge]

Not sure if you're talking to me, but this might be what you're looking for: https://github.com/wolveix/satisfactory-server
I ended up going with LGSM to set up my server, personally

[fickle gorge]

depends on the applications and setup ;)
I use KVM, xen and LXC mainly at work (and home).

[celest bough]

Hey guys... Looking for some help. I've tried starting a dedicated server via Steam and SteamCMD on Windows 10. When I launch the dedicated server the console will come up and it goes through its motions but then closes. I haven't been able to 'pause' the console to see what the server is doing and why it's closing

[fickle gorge]

but nevermind, the "Trainstations built in multiplayer (dedicated server) don't correctly load/unload" bug is kinda gamebreaking for me...

[carmine jay]

just anyone using it in docker but fair enough. I ended up using LGSM just for the auto updates.

[fickle gorge]

I've set up my gameserver before there was support for it with LGSM, autoupdates can be easily achieved with a systemd unit file, and a cronjob/systemd-timer restarting it regularly

[carmine jay]

I had it running with a systemd file. tried to get it to auto update with a cron but it never did. :/

[fickle gorge]

but I usually set up gameservers myself (including writing scripts) anyway, so I know exactly how it works and can troubleshoot it easily.

[quick mist]

if you're using the provided example systemd unit file with the ExecStartPre directive, all your cron job needs to do is systemctl restart satisfactory.service and it should update properly

[carmine jay]

I'm no stranger to linux but never ran a game server till now. just did it because I could.

[fickle gorge]

^this

[carmine jay]

ah, the cron I had ran a steamcmd command.

[fickle gorge]

oof

[carmine jay]

yep

[fickle gorge]

that could mess up your stuff, if the service is still running but you change the files

[carmine jay]

steamcmd +login anonymous +app_info_update 1 1690800 +quit once every half hour.

[fickle gorge]

a bit excessive >.<

[carmine jay]

and deleted from the crons. XD

[quick mist]

waaaaaay too frequent

[fickle gorge]

just do it daily...

[carmine jay]

it didn't actually update anything when the sf server went public though.

I thought for sure I had configured it for every 12 hours.

[fickle gorge]

because there wasn't really an update for it

[carmine jay]

different branch?

[fickle gorge]

naa, EA branch is the same then experimental at the moment

[quick mist]

they are different, though near-identical, builds

[fickle gorge]

and I think the dedicated server has it's own appid I think

[carmine jay]

wouldn't the experimental branch be updated when EA was updated? like a temp merge of the branches till they update experimental again.

oooh

[quick mist]

no, the app ID is the same. See the Wiki

[carmine jay]

yeah ^

[fickle gorge]

Satisfactory app ID: 526870

dedicated server: 1690800

[quick mist]

that's the game itself. The dedicated server app ID is unchanged.

[fickle gorge]

I know

the branches are part of the game itself, the dedicated server is it's own application and up to this point doesn't have other branches

when it was released some weeks ago, it was already "update 5" and stuff, so when they pushed the game update, they didn't had to change anything about the server

[carmine jay]

ooh, so they'll create a new branch when they start working on experimental again.

[fickle gorge]

maybe?

depends how they handle that stuff

[carmine jay]

I'd think they would. to keep in sync with the game itself.

[quick mist]

The dedicated server as of U5 going into EA now has two available branches. again: this is documented on the Wiki

[carmine jay]

it'd fit the theme.

hasn't checked the wiki lately.

[fickle gorge]

well, that was a day ago ;)

but my point still stands, when U5 hit EA, the dedicated server was already up-to-date

(the stable/EA branch of it)

[quick mist]

Sort of. At that time, the DS's default branch switch to EA; you have to intervene to keep it on Experimental.

there was a specific update on that day because Exp and EA are different versions yesterday/today

[carmine jay]

they already updated Exp?

[quick mist]

Not as such: the build released to EA was a slightly higher build number than Exp, so they are not compatible

[carmine jay]

gotcha

is LGSM supposed to auto update or do I gotta schedule that?

[quick mist]

No idea

you'd have to consult its documentation

[carmine jay]

fun

[severe badge]

they have some suggested cron entries for that. it's pretty step-by-step

[fickle gorge]

wait until you have to go through a 700 page manual for a managed switch ;)

[carmine jay]

LOL

I see the cron examples

[keen vortex]

i seem to recall that my server updated when i restarted it after U5 released

but i wasn't watching that closely

[keen vortex]

a managed switch with a manual that's only 700 pages long? pshaw.

[quick mist]

it would have, it'd have fetched the Early Access build

[fickle gorge]

have to to start somewhere ;)

[keen vortex]

(former network engineer here. mainly cisco.)

[quick mist]

ah, so for you 700 pages would be the 'cheat sheet'

[keen vortex]

the "getting started" guide is about that long

[fickle gorge]

<-- never worked with cisco stuff, and from what I read all the time, I will continue to not work with it ;)

[keen vortex]

cisco manuals should be required to bear a surgeon general's warning

of course, these days one of my major reference documents is the intel architecture reference manual, which clocks in at over 6500 pages

[fickle gorge]

sweet :3

ask for a printed one

[keen vortex]

all so i can better mod dwarf fortress

[fickle gorge]

.<

because of the dedicated server train bugs, my "construction" train is completly silent while driving, quite surreal to drive it >.>

[carmine jay]

wait, they make noises? I only recall the toot toot when the auto pilot leaves a station. XD

or the hiss of the breaks.

[fickle gorge]

and some other sounds

[quick mist]

clickity clacks, vrooms, and SKREEEEEs too

[clear frigate]

Open the lgsm configs, common.cfg for instance, and add branch="experimental"
With that you'll be prepared for the Dedicated Server updates, providing you,re playing on Experimental

[sweet forge]

Anyone having issues with belt lag on dedicated servers? For some reason all of our machines are receiving items really slowly... so if I have a Mk2 with 120pm going to a storage container for example, it gets hung up going into the bin

[keen vortex]

i've had issues with conveyors not connecting

also with rendering issues

belts that render empty but ar enot

[alpine dawn]

this sounds like the sequence of events at the end of the work day

[frosty gale]

I...I think I did it.

I spoke too soon. I am "connected" to my server (hosted on AWS lightsail), I was able to claim it, and start a new game. However, when I try to join the game, it says I'm not connected to the server. It presents me a button to connect, which I can click, then it brings up the session view. I click join, and repeat infinite loop of not being connected to the server.

[alpine dawn]

oof

[frosty gale]

If I let it sit, I get a network connection error with the following text:

UNetConnection::Tick: Connection TIMED OUT. Closing connection.. Elapsed: 20.01, Real: 20.01, Good: 20.01, DriverTime: 20.01, Threshold: 20.00, [UNetConnection] RemoteAddr: *.*.*.*:7777, Name: IpConnection_2147479917, Driver: PendingNetDriver EOSNetDriver_214749918, IsServer: NO, PC: NULL, Owner: NULL, UniqueID: INVALID

(I've masked the server IP address here)

[sweet forge]

Out of curiosity, what tier of lightsail are you using?

[frosty gale]

The one with 8gb of RAM

[quick mist]

not 7777?

[frosty gale]

Oh, it is 7777. Sorry, typo. Can't copy and paste from the UI Window that's presented in satisfactory

[alpine dawn]

I will have to look that up

[frosty gale]

It is pricy.

[alpine dawn]

is it different than a regular VPS?

[copper niche]

It's taken more than half the day but I have somewhat been able to merge my friends and my maps via the blueprint thing in satisfactory-calculator and host it in a Dedicated Server.

It seems so buggy. Like, some save files crash the server when loading, and others don't, despite changing nothing. The Show All Map option doesn't seem to work either. And I had to use someone else's map as the base map, so my character is naked.

Is there a way to move my character in satisfactory-calculator or anything to my side of the map? There's no logistics between us right now because the trains are all broken, and I have no idea where my friends' storage stuff is to build anything.

[frosty gale]

Not really. I guess my only experience with renting any VPS was for minecraft hosting back in the day. So maybe it's competitively priced and I don't know it? Didn't really do research, I just had an instance from when I was hosting a Valheim server and figured I'd go with what I know. The package I pay for is ~$40/mo

[alpine dawn]

ah

so its a regular X86 CPU

[frosty gale]

I believe so, yes. I have access to 2 cores with my package

[quick mist]

I mean it'd have to be amd64 because the binary's not 32-bit is it?

[frosty gale]

Mine is x86, I had to install 32-bit libraries for SteamCMD

[alpine dawn]

well no but some guys have managed to get emulation to work on high end ARM CPUs

so I didnt know if Lightsail was another setup like that

[frosty gale]

Lightsail let's you pick from x86 or ARM

[quick mist]

the game server binary is 64-bit, but yes, Steam itself is not

[alpine dawn]

one extra bit

nice

😄

I typo'd my making fun of your typo

CARMA FAIL

[frosty gale]

Another typo

[alpine dawn]

FML

I am going to jump off a building

BRB

[frosty gale]

isn’t it karma😳

[alpine dawn]

ok back

yes

its karma

but I am not going to fix it

haha

[quick mist]

don't fix it; FICSIT

[frosty gale]

what would be the recommended cpu for a dedicated server

apple m1 max cuz highest single core performance or is it not single core?

[quick mist]

it's multicore, but not M1-compatible

[alpine dawn]

lmao

[fickle gorge]

because making multithreaded stuff is quite hard to do... probably a CPU with high IPC but still a few cores, like 6 or more I guess

[quick mist]

you need an amd64-compatible chipset

[frosty gale]

so intel or amd cpu’s on x86 only….

[fickle gorge]

don't forget VIA >.>

[quick mist]

the server is multithreaded but most of the threads are ancillary; there is one primary worker thread that gets the bulk of the load

[shut hedge]

Seems to be primarily single-core. Maybe at least the main process? On my hosting platform I have not observed a server using more than 1 core and a little extra on a second. (I presume netowrking?)

[frosty gale]

so a massive xeon or thread ripper wouldn’t be as good as say a 12900k? but if you want multiple servers go big on the cores

[alpine dawn]

I run 2 players fine on an old ass X3470

[quick mist]

this for example is the timeslice from a server with a couple days' uptime with a few people on and off over the past couple days:

[fickle gorge]

as I said, a CPU with high IPC and 6+ cores should be fine

[alpine dawn]

its my file server

XD

[shut hedge]

So can anyone think of a good way I can stress a dedi for this? IDK how to summon 100+ people and not too sure where to find a laggy AF factory.

[frosty gale]

so not like a mc server where single core is all you need

[quick mist]

correct.

[frosty gale]

interesting

[shut hedge]

MC servers on my platform can tend to harness almost 4 cores entirely.

[fickle gorge]

so a high clockspeed epyc or ryzen with not too much cores should be fine

[frosty gale]

I'm at a loss on why I can't connect to my game :(

[quick mist]

ask in #looking-for-group-old if someone can share a postnuclear endgame save with you to throw up on a server?

[fickle gorge]

ask let's game it out for his save file :P

[quick mist]

Do Lightsail nodes work through SGs in the VPC like EC2 instances do? you might want to double-check the allowed ingress traffic includes all three ports?

[shut hedge]

AH HECK YEAH, If I can get his attention that'd be amazing

[alpine dawn]

yeah @frosty gale your issue looks like a port filtering issue

[frosty gale]

Duplicated for IPv6 as well

[alpine dawn]

udp for all 3

you fucked up

XD

[frosty gale]

Oh, I did

LMAO

shit

[quick mist]

you have 7777/tcp not 7777/udp, that's the an issue

[alpine dawn]

bet it works after that

[frosty gale]

Oh look at that. Immediately loads right after

[alpine dawn]

lol

nice

sometimes it just takes another set of eyes

[frosty gale]

do the servers work differently than multiplayer built in game?

[quick mist]

the short answer is 'yes', but did you have a specific question to narrow that down some?

[frosty gale]

cuz my isp is like no port forwarding for you so i was wondering if i could host a server without port forwarding

[alpine dawn]

no

[quick mist]

no, port forwarding is required if the host running the service is behind a router

[frosty gale]

rip

then how does multiplayer work?

[quick mist]

multiplayer works by having a centralized session manager (hence, "session IDs") to help punch through firewalls by having all the traffic be statefully outbound to the client's perspective

there is no centralization for dedicates servers

rather than sharing session IDs, clients just need the server's public address

[frosty gale]

so i need to either shell out money for a server in a data center or just play via steam/epic multiplayer

[quick mist]

if your ISP won't let you do any port forwarding, then yes (or switch ISPs)

[frosty gale]

we just switched cuz this one gets us faster speeds for less with no data cap

[alpine dawn]

seems like it came with some massive caveats

[quick mist]

it's rather unusual that they won't "let" you port forward.. usually you just have to log into your router and set it up

[frosty gale]

i checked

[quick mist]

if the router they gave you doesn't support it you should be able to get your own cheaply

[frosty gale]

it might help if i told you it was t-mobile 5g home internet

[alpine dawn]

likely carrier grade NAT

[quick mist]

oh, it's not an ISP, it's a Cellular internet hotspot

that explains it

[frosty gale]

Also, thanks for the help everyone! I'm sure I'll be back in here pulling my hair out again when I try writing a script to check for updates. ;-;

[alpine dawn]

yep its CGNAT

[frosty gale]

basically

Unless...they don't do mini stable updates?

only missing feature i see from this new router from the old one

[alpine dawn]

take a look at the wiki there are pre-made scripts

[quick mist]

is your instance not just a linux virtual server? use the systemd unit file from the wiki and the server will check for updates any time you restart it

[frosty gale]

if only fiber was available and my city was going to spend the make home to upgrade each house

I am using a systemd unit file. I just don't want to have anyone unable to play if I'm not around to restart when an update comes around

[quick mist]

set up a daily cron job to once a day run systemctl restart satisfactory.service at, say, 5:32AM

[alpine dawn]

oh I see you are making a externally available script so anyone can do it

[quick mist]

no, just schedule it on the server itself

[frosty gale]

Well, I was going to do a cron job. I just didn't think to have the cron job run the systemctl restart xD

[quick mist]

or if you trust one of the players to be an admin, teach them to use the quit console command and systemd will check for updates and restart the server

[alpine dawn]

not helpful if an update is released and it has to go till that time till you can play again

[slow lynx]

You can host a server without port forwarding if you use a vpn (that is running outside of the network)

[quick mist]

that's just port forwarding via proxy :p

[frosty gale]

i’ll still need to pay for a vpn

[slow lynx]

yea

[frosty gale]

might as well rent a sever

and set up my own vpn or SF server

VPN probably cheaper tho xD

[slow lynx]

^

[quick mist]

caveat emptor.

you get what you pay for

[frosty gale]

True, true

[fickle gorge]

not if you run it on the same server ;)

[frosty gale]

and have my ip sent to some random company that makes profit from private investments. i’ll pass

[slow lynx]

I mean vultr sells $1 vps's you don't need a powerful sever for a vpn

[fickle gorge]

depends on the throughput and the encryption

[quick mist]

ROT13 encryption isn't computationally expensive (:

[frosty gale]

i’ll still need a decent pc to run a SF server. not gonna that in a laptop LOL

[slow lynx]

haha

yea just rent a vps or dedi for statisfactory at that point

[frosty gale]

vultur has a 1000gb data cap

Viability of starting up a side business hosting dedicated servers for people?

and linnode

[quick mist]

ask nitrado (:

[shut hedge]

Very good

[frosty gale]

without fiber😳

fat chance

[shut hedge]

Looking at adding Satisfactory to mine by the weekend. Lookin' good.

[fickle gorge]

I guess I'm lucky then that I can get a 25GBit fiber connection for the same price as a 1GBit one (symmetric of course)?

[alpine dawn]

thats what colo facilities are for

[frosty gale]

most isp here cap out at 40 up via coax

[frosty gale]

tell me where and i’ll move there in a heart beat

[fickle gorge]

Switzerland ;)

[frosty gale]

omw

Hmmm. Well, I don't have the internet or server racks. I was going to just rent a large VPS and docker it out. xD Maybe there's not enough profit margin there

is the whole country fiber or just in big cities

[shut hedge]

Renting a VPS then going from there SIGNIFICANTLY reduces profit margins. Had to take a loan and colo to get decent margins.

[frosty gale]

how much in usd?

[fickle gorge]

about the same

sFr. has a slightly higher value I think

[frosty gale]

colo?

[fickle gorge]

maybe about 800$ a year

[frosty gale]

you pay 355 for fiber a month?

or you can

wait that’s setup fee

[alpine dawn]

a place to put physical servers

[shut hedge]

Colocation, basically your own server rack and send it to a datacenter and they will provide power and a internet connection at usually a very reasonable price

[fickle gorge]

yeah... those 25Gbit optics aren't cheap

[frosty gale]

😭

[frosty gale]

Oh, actually, that is a very interesting prospective...

[fickle gorge]

but I also have a server in their DC ;)

[alpine dawn]

used to work at a COLO

[slim spoke]

#off-topic-general

[frosty gale]

what would you do with 25gb symmetrical

[fickle gorge]

sharing linux isos of course ;)

[shut hedge]

Using one right now about 100 miles north of me, planning to send another server to the other side of the US soon too :P

[fickle gorge]

but yeah, sanctum is right, quite off-topic >.<

[frosty gale]

😉

@shut hedge Do you run it under a commercial license?

[alpine dawn]

#off-topic-general is where I am

[keen vortex]

really only viable if you already have a hosting business, otherwise you won't have a whole lot of margin over what you pay in hosting expenses

i'm still seeing a good number of weird desync issues

several times i've been sucked into a hypertube, only to be shot back out the same entrance i went in

it's like "whoops, no, you didn't really do that"

also still seeing the delayed damage behavior

had one where i killed a spitter, collected its organs, used a medical inhaler to heal, and then after all that it damaged me out of nowhere for half a health bar

also, all of our doggos stopped being friendly after the 24-hour server autorecycle

and the order in which items appear in the crafting bench changed after the 24 hour recycle

[unborn siren]

Anyone have belts you place down, go the opposite direction? What about boulders you blew up and then leave the server and come back for them to be there but not actually be there---meaning you can walk through them but you can't drive through them? I am will assume also that y'all are still having train problems?

[slim spoke]

desyncing

restart the server and clients

[unborn siren]

I have restarted the server about 5 times today and it wouldn't fix anything... I am using 'Shockbyte' for the Server, guess i am just going to have to wait for the bugs in Dedicated servers to be fix over time.

[dry iris]

on a side note I love the very descriptive server logs this game puts out

It's good to know the server screams as much internally as I do.

[unborn siren]

you and me both... mine is similar

[slim spoke]

turn on loggin lol its unattended

[stuck drum]

i seem to be having some annoying bloody trouble with the port forwarding

[slim spoke]

lol

[unborn siren]

Its funny how my server is easy for my group to connect too but when I try I have to 'retry' about 5-10 time until it actually connects....

[slim spoke]

lol

could be net stuff in inis

[sleek ruin]

what do I do if I forgot the admin password?

<.<

.>

[slim spoke]

read the wiki page

[sleek ruin]

phew

[slim spoke]

i read the topic lol im smrt

[sleek ruin]

didn't seem to work

[slim spoke]

it does if u remove the file or whatever it says

[sleek ruin]

I did

deleted it

then started the server

[slim spoke]

restart

wiki has the right info to reset the admin pass .. i dont know what ur doing

[sleek ruin]

I deleted the file

then started the server

[slim spoke]

ok and thats nice and all but

if u do it right it will have to reset cause thats where the pass is stored encrypted

not being mean but its the right info and it works

[sleek ruin]

https://gyazo.com/8e41f2c63b3f9f8368ce50fbdbc02e38

but file doesn't even exist anymore

idk

[slim spoke]

wrong server folder or something

honestly im not trolling ya or being a dick

or u have server running in background?

[sleek ruin]

no I stopped it before deleting the file

[slim spoke]

i would guess its wrong server folder then

try rebooting

[sleek ruin]

same thing

[slim spoke]

then ur doing something wrong

[sleek ruin]

I go in the saves folder

delete the serversettings.port file

start the server

it asks me for password

I stop the server

and it makes a new serversettings.port file

[slim spoke]

ya cuase its resetting it

asking u for new admin password

imagine that hahahahahahaha

do again so password isnt blank

[sleek ruin]

tried that now

nothing

[slim spoke]

dont know what ur doing lol

u just delete and run server .. setup like u did before

[sleek ruin]

it doesn't come up with the setup though

[slim spoke]

then u didnt get it to reset... ie. did something wrong

[hallow night]

My Friend couldnt join via IPv6 nor Static lease
what would be going wrong
i've port forward 15777 on my firewall and router

[slim spoke]

dont bind to 0.0.0.0 pick one

or 2 ... u ip,ip

or just bind the : :

if u want v6 only

[sleek ruin]

https://i.gyazo.com/61ce39e47963e5ba132b03d12c786856.mp4

am I doing something wrong?

[hallow night]

If i want to start again because i think i fucked something along the way how would i do that?

[slim spoke]

delete the folder and reinstall

multihome can set what adapter to use for server

then u just have to fix that

[hallow night]

cool, would when i first connected using 'localhost' would that of been the thing that not letting him connect

[cunning stream]

Hey, do we need to stay on Experimental version of the game or the stable to connect on server ?

[slim spoke]

they are the same

[cunning stream]

oh okok thx 🙂

[slim spoke]

regular install of server is becoming ea server

[stuck drum]

is there an easy way to remotely restart the server?

i.e if i fucked up a port forward number

or can i only do it if i've already set up remote acces to the other pc

[slim spoke]

wiki page has the info

or just remote and kill it

[stuck drum]

well that's shit, i can kill it from the console, but not restart it

[slim spoke]

your supposed to set that up

there is lots of ways to do it

[sleek ruin]

gives up

[slim spoke]

the info is on the wiki for u

[hallow night]

do i have to port forward all 3 codes?

15777. etc

[stuck drum]

pretty sure you do

[hallow night]

when they join via server manager do they have to change 15777 to another port?

[slim spoke]

yes

u need all 3 ports like the wiki tells you to setup

15777 is port for starting connections

thats why its default suggested in server manager

[still forum]

So I have a server up and running. How do I get people to join or how can I join others?

[desert scarab]

hey peeps - quick q, we have been running a dedicated server since it was launched in experimental, is cutting over to Early access as simple as triggering the update? I can see in the wiki to specifically set the commands to run experimental, but not the Early Access branch, so assuming that is default now?

[slim spoke]

dedi setups as they were are going to be EA servers

[compact nebula]

Setting up a dedicated server needs another PC right?

[slim spoke]

u have to change cmdline to use exp once they are going

you can do on same comp but it wont help alot

[compact nebula]

And the PC has to be constantly on for it to run yea?

[slim spoke]

yes

[desert scarab]

@slim spoke yeah but if we already running exp from before the release - if we just run an update, will that automatically kick over to Early Access?

[slim spoke]

thats the point of dedicated server

the cmd line as it is .. is for ea

if u want exp u will change the cmd line like the wiki tells u to

[desert scarab]

yeah we don't, we want to move over the Early Access

[slim spoke]

read the wiki

im done for the day

[desert scarab]

I have - it isn't covered

[slim spoke]

they added about how to change to exp servers

wiki changes almost daily

i didnt read it cause i dont need the info/help

[desert scarab]

yes but not the other way round if you are transitioning from Exp to EA via command line

[slim spoke]

the cmd line is for ea

if u want exp u just change it like the wiki says to get exp

then u play with exp game

simple as that

[desert scarab]

yeah, before EA though, that was the same command in Exp

[slim spoke]

cuase there was no EA then

[desert scarab]

correct

[slim spoke]

but they are splliting it

so go read the wiki so i can stop typing

[desert scarab]

so what I want to know is how do we move from Exp (pre EA release) to EA now

that isn't in the wiki

[slim spoke]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers

im done

[desert scarab]

i'm on the wiki it isn't there

anyway

I'll update and see what it does

[slim spoke]

the cmd is for ea server regul

what dont u get

[desert scarab]

if I was building a new server that is fine

[slim spoke]

if u had it already it used that cmd

that cmd stays teh same

its now the ea servers

[desert scarab]

yes so now with EA I'll connect with EA client

yes that is what I wanted to confirm

[slim spoke]

u dont do shit .. u change the cmd line if u want to use exp server and client

thats it

[desert scarab]

correct - so post eA release - if we want to use Exp we use the command line, otherwise no changes needed we just connect with EA and happy days

[slim spoke]

Experimental Branch Selection
To download the Experimental branch of the Dedicated Server, add -beta experimental to the end of your SteamCMD invocation. See the following example commands for Linux and Windows respectively:

and there is from the wiki how you do that

lol have a good nite

[desert scarab]

yeah I had that - it was just the transition I wanted to confirm that wasn't clear

cheers - you too lol

[slim spoke]

if u add its exp .. if u dont its ea

[desert scarab]

yep perfect

cheers

[sleek ruin]

@slim spoke maybe next time just say you need to click the reset admin button under the backup manager?..

silly

[slim spoke]

no

[teal bluff]

Anyone had issues with conveyor floor holes randomly not connecting with production units, train only loading half of itself? I'm on a gportal server.

[sleek ruin]

yes

wasted a ton of time

[slim spoke]

thats a you problem

[stuck drum]

ffs

[slim spoke]

i didnt know there was a button so why would i say it

[sleek ruin]

why would you pretend to help if you don't know

[stuck drum]

i just spent several hours trying to establish this server, only to discover my ISP uses CGNAT

[slim spoke]

i told u to read the wiki

get over yourself

[sleek ruin]

wiki must be outdated

[slim spoke]

not my fault

[golden roost]

play nice

no need for hostility

[slim spoke]

i tried im getting trouble for wiki not having info

[sleek ruin]

I mean they insulted me several times

[slim spoke]

i didnt know there is a button so i dont know what u expect

[still forum]

If I want my friends to join a dedicated server, do I need to give them an IP or something? Cause I don't see a browser list of public servers?

[uneven sigil]

yes you need to send them the IP of the server

[still forum]

aah okay

[uneven sigil]

or how did you connect to the server ? 😄

[still forum]

same way 😄

[timid slate]

Known issues. And G-Portal isn't so good. Been on them the entire experimental stage and performance is meh. Nitrado seems to be 20% to 50% faster (higher tickrate), that should resolve some, but not all, issues

[stuck drum]

@golden roost heya, i dunno who you've got in charge of the wiki, but there's a lot of info dump on there that non IT people will struggle with, you might want to consider getting someone to make it a bit easier to read and understand from an end user perspective

[teal bluff]

Thank you kindly

[still forum]

instead of an IP can it also be a hostname if correctly set up?

[slim spoke]

wiki is all done by community people

cm's dont have anything to do with that

[uneven sigil]

the wiki is fully driven by community. the devs dont work there

[golden roost]

wiki is mainly maintained by community so if you have suggestion on making it better then go for it!

[stuck drum]

sorry, i thought you might have had a low level CM on those, ok when i get time i can make an effort there

[golden roost]

I will say tho that setting up a dedicated server isn't really a cakewalk by itself so to some degree it's not always easy to make it easy to understand and still maintain enough info

[stuck drum]

that's true, as i recently discovered in spending hours to set up mine only to find out my ISP is blocking it

i used to write documentation for end users, so i can give it a go, maybe split it between windows and linux etc

[uneven sigil]

but if you have troubles i think you can come in here and maybe there are some people arround willing to help ya 🙂

[golden roost]

@stuck drum I can set you up with the wiki folks that are more active maintaining the wiki if you'd like

[stuck drum]

that'd be handy

[marsh dawn]

Hostname is just an alias for the IP address.

[still forum]

So it's possible @marsh dawn?

[uneven sigil]

yes

[marsh dawn]

It should.

[timid slate]

most likely

[uneven sigil]

if there should be a problem you still can just send over the IP 😉

[still forum]

True true

[hallow night]

Are the port local ports or remote ports?
15000
15777
7777

[slim spoke]

they are udp ports on server comp

[slim spoke]

put the ports in both

u want to forwad thru

[hallow night]

ty

[slim spoke]

user manual for router should have better instructions then me though

[hallow night]

this is AVG, my router should be done

[slim spoke]

lol ok

[hallow night]

also when my friend goes to join my server what port should he use in manage server

[slim spoke]

15777

its defaulted in there

[hasty girder]

i think you have to forward 3 ports

cause my Server didnt work when i only forward 2

[slim spoke]

he is .. just wanted to know which was connecting port

[hasty girder]

ok

[hard lintel]

If I have myworld_autosave_2.sav file, would its session name be myworld?

I haven't renamed anything

[slim spoke]

yes

if u didnt change it from default naming

[hard lintel]

thanks

[slim spoke]

yw

[hard lintel]

4. Insert the Session Name from step 1 into the server settings tab in Server Manager, press ↵ Enter.
   The server should initiate a search for the save file with the matching Session Name.
   What does Server Manager mean here?

[slim spoke]

ingame menu

where u add the server to play mp

[hard lintel]

in a vps

[hard lintel]

oh it's in the client?

[slim spoke]

ya

[hallow night]

ive port forward all the ports and it no working

how do i set up multihome?

[feral dawn]

If you actually need multihome (most users do not), u can bind to the right IP Address using -multihome 1.2.3.4, where 1.2.3.4 is the IP of the adapter you want to bind to.

[hallow night]

where would i set that up

it my first time ever dealing with server stuff

[slim spoke]

cmdline to start server after .exe

[feral dawn]

Do you have more than one network card in the machine you are hosting the server from?

[hallow night]

just my ethernet port ate the back of pc to router

[slim spoke]

wiki has more info if u search the dedi pages for multihome

[feral dawn]

So, if you only have 1 ethernet port, you dont need multihome

usually 99.99% of the time lol

[slim spoke]

android where is the server compared to ur client

[hallow night]

could you explain that in another way, i dont know what that means

[slim spoke]

same comp ... lan . friends .. hosting company

[hallow night]

same PC

[slim spoke]

ok have u gone to server manager and been checking with localhost and 127.0.0.1

add the server 2 times incase

[hallow night]

yes local host

[slim spoke]

that works ?

u can connect and play

[hallow night]

i can get into the server but my friend cant join

[slim spoke]

ok

[hallow night]

and play

[slim spoke]

what do u have for internet

[hallow night]

NBN

[slim spoke]

like ipv4 v6 .. adapters?

can u tell it use this ipv4 ip

or do u care?

[hallow night]

moderm router all in one

when i use find my IP it give me both

does my friend have to port forward?

[slim spoke]

if ipv4 ip like 127.0.0.1 is fine then u can just multihome=IPonthelan

and forward the ports to that ip in the router

no ur friend is good

just have to get your ports from net to the server on comp

usually u dont need multihome at all

and u do port forwarding for the ip you want to use

then server only gets info on that one

[feral dawn]

A few things I would check:

• Please provide pictures of your routers port forwarding configuration.

• Please do not block out Local IP addresses (starting 192.168, 10., 172.16)

• Please provide us with either an ipconfig (windows) or ip a ifconfig (linux) screenshot (as long as this screenshot only provides internal IP's such as those listed earlier.)

• If you have any software based firewalls, such as Windows Defender or a 3rd party Anti Virus/Firewall bundle, please disable the firewall completely and re-test. This test ensures that this piece of software can be rulled out from the problem, as if it starts to work then either windows firewall or your 3rd party firewall is incorrectly configured. (plz remember to turn them on again)

[hallow night]

on my router wanted a destination IP i had to set up a static IP, i've been getting him to import when i was port forwarding

[feral dawn]

That looks fine, the ipconfig / ip a / ifconfig screen plz next.

[quick geyser]

Looks fine? Isn't .255 the broadcast address?

[feral dawn]

it's 225

not 255

[hallow night]

how do i get the ipconfig

[quick geyser]

Oh, my bad. Sry

[feral dawn]

plus, if it was a /23 or lower, the .255 would be usable 😄

but meh lol

@hallow night press your start button and type in cmd and hit enter

then in the black box, type ipconfig and hit enter

[hallow night]

is there anything that i should censor for privacy

[feral dawn]

sec

[slim spoke]

internet ip <- dont show that

[feral dawn]

you're good as long as you only display the 192.168.x.x ip

Example that is fine:

you may wish to block any IPv6 addresses, if they dont start with fe80

[hallow night]

cool one sec snipy magic happing

[feral dawn]

tbh the only line i want is the Ipv4 Address line 😄 lol

to ensure it matches with your port forwarding rules

[feral dawn]

and this is where the server is hosted?

[hallow night]

my PC

[slim spoke]

just a side note .. in port forwarding i always set UDP so nothing tcp can use the forward

[feral dawn]

if there is nothing bound TCP the other end, the connection will still fail, but it's good to limit ^

[slim spoke]

if something ran that wanted the port it would be open on tcp thats what i dont like

seen a few that had that with their servers hehe

[feral dawn]

@hallow night if what you have given me is where the server process is loaded

then your port forwarding is invalid

in red is what it should read.

[slim spoke]

that would be it

[hallow night]

okay i had thought i had to set up a static lease then use the lease ip

[feral dawn]

Have you rebooted the machine since you setup the static DHCP lease?

[hallow night]

No

[feral dawn]

right so, small lesson here, if u want it

DHCP works by your PC asking your router "Oi, I need an IP address please" and it'll return your PC with an IP from the pool.

adding a static lease without renewing the lease on the PC will do nothing, if that PC has not been rebooted, or the lease has not expired.

so you have two options

1. Start CMD again, and type in the following: ipconfig /release && ipconfig /renew

OR

2. Reboot the PC

[hallow night]

ty, ill try with option 1 for ease.
should i restart my router?

[feral dawn]

No need to reboot router bud

If you get an error like "This operation requires evaluation" or something like that

you'll need to run cmd as an administrator.

[silent sequoia]

going to test how well zerotier works with satisfactory might be helpful to some people that cant port forward

[feral dawn]

in theory zero tier will be fine, as no traffic is actually going over their servers. It's just NAT Punching (which is cool)

[silent sequoia]

ive had issues with minecraft on it from time to time which was why i was wondering

[feral dawn]

hm i see, well i will be interested in your results 🙂

[hallow night]

should i move on to option 2 reboot?

[feral dawn]

no no

do ipconfig on it's own

has the new IP shown up?

or is it still 192.168.0.118

[hallow night]

it is still ^

[feral dawn]

then try a reboot, if your IP still has not changed since the reboot, either your static IP assignment is wrong, or your router is just not playing ball.

the ipconfig release, renew should have done it though

However, plz note that: If you still have an IP not as you expected, you can set it statically within Windows to what you need.

[silent sequoia]

some routers are weird and make you select the client to be port forwarded and not the actual ip address

[hallow night]

do i
ipconfig then
/release && ipconfig then
/renew

for order of operation

[feral dawn]

the single command i typed ipconfig /release && ipconfig /renew will execute them both.

[feral dawn]

Yeah, I both like and dislike these routers lol.

hugs pfsense

[silent sequoia]

my router is garbage

[feral dawn]

You know, as you said about ZeroTier.

[slim spoke]

ddwrt

[feral dawn]

OPNSense, if you're into that stuff has Zerotier built into it.

[silent sequoia]

yeah because i know hamachi has bandwidth limits and its trash

[feral dawn]

so u can do all of ur nat punching from your router directly, and port forward as needed.

[silent sequoia]

its working from a different network

[feral dawn]

perfecto

[silent sequoia]

thats actually so helpful because you the clients dont need to sign up to zerotier they just download it and enter the code

[hallow night]

i restarted it didnt change. so sould i scrap the static lease and

[feral dawn]

Two options here @hallow night

[slim spoke]

just fix the forward

[feral dawn]

1. Configure the DHCP Reservation statically on Windows

2. Fix the forward.

it depends really on how important the static lease is to you.

[slim spoke]

it might be reserved on router lol

[feral dawn]

however, one would assume the static lease isnt working due to an invalid MAC address given to the router.

[slim spoke]

like my dlink will reserve ip for net adapter

[hallow night]

gotcha, not at all i just want to play on the server with friends

[feral dawn]

You had the right idea though, setting the IP statically is the best approach.

either via DHCP Reservation, or via the adapter.

[slim spoke]

i would just fix the forward and see if ip changes

[feral dawn]

but, fixing the forward will work, but if it starts to break again, check to see if your IP had changed and fix the forward again.

[slim spoke]

either way is fine and totally up to you

[silent sequoia]

my tickrate is only 13 on a windows server 🤔

[feral dawn]

is it running on a different server-based CPU, or on your gaming rig @silent sequoia ?

[slim spoke]

good ole billy keepin those ticks low so we dont burn out

😛

[silent sequoia]

it was running better on a hyper v virtual machine on the same server

now its running worse on the windows host 💀

[feral dawn]

plz dont swear at me 😛

[silent sequoia]

im pretty sure it was also running in a docker container in the linux vm aswell lmao

[feral dawn]

docker is just a glorified chroot, with pretty much zero performance problems compared to running on the docker host. (i believe!)

either way

if u have like a Xeon CPU with a shit tonne of cores, dont expect satisfactory to run well

[silent sequoia]

lmao hello

[feral dawn]

lol there ya go 😛

throws VMWare at you

[silent sequoia]

weird how its running better in a hyper v virtual machine then

[slim spoke]

single core performance is the way

[silent sequoia]

is this game mostly single core

[feral dawn]

yes

[silent sequoia]

my windows is bugged and isnt showing graphs

[slim spoke]

the client part of game is 3core

[silent sequoia]

that makes a bit more sense

[slim spoke]

but workload is majority serial work so single core helps

[silent sequoia]

maybe its using a busy core on windows then

ive got plex and cctv stuff running so it might have a core to its self on the vm

[tall oasis]

I typed in a as a save-file name

[slim spoke]

ya vm is separating it for ya

[feral dawn]

The server "can" use up to 24 worker threads, however I believe (this is totally speculation) that these worker threads really are only used for proper async tasks, such as IO and stuff.

[tall oasis]

but yeah I can't save the game, period

[feral dawn]

The game does have parallelization, for belts, belt groups, pipes, etc etc.

[tall oasis]

it just refuses to do so

[feral dawn]

but i am unsure how simple that would be to "merge" the async data back onto the game thread, which in theory would be required.

[slim spoke]

thats why threading/cores is limited in how much u see used on dedis

only so much work it can spread out

[feral dawn]

multithreading is a ballache lol 😄

[slim spoke]

oh no i see u

lol crc hows it going

[zealous cairn]

yeah, I normally see 90%+ cpu usage on one core, and ~2-8% on others

[slim spoke]

has that changed any with the last few patches.. they did some work on that

[silent sequoia]

hyper v vm with way more progress into the game compared to the windows server host running it

[zealous cairn]

that doesn't seem to have changed much with the threading update...... but there are more threads that do stuff that are still in the 2-8% range

[feral dawn]

Thankfully, you should not be able to see me typing, if my modded discord is still working as intended lol 😄

[slim spoke]

probably just isnt in need enough yet

which is good

[feral dawn]

Agreed, however i have seen spikes to 200-300% CPU usage (on a 4 vCore VM) sometimes, not during a save operation. which is nice to know that work is being scheduled correctly now onto a different thread, than overloading the game thread at that point.

[zealous cairn]

yeah - I guess it depends if it starts lagging due to CPU bound stuff - but its hard to tell if thats the case or not....

oh - I notice the saves all go in a different thread.....

[hallow night]

i changed the destination IP for router
i disabled AVG
i have port forward on windows defender
he still cant join

[silent sequoia]

guess im going to have to make 2 brand new vms one windows 10 and one ubuntu server and see if its actually a massive difference then

[feral dawn]

@hallow night just to check

You're not giving him 192.168.0.118 to connect to, right?

[hallow night]

i did yes

[feral dawn]

haha okay

so that's your internal IP Address, he wont be able to access that

[zealous cairn]

but this is on a 32 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 v3 @ 2.40GHz (2 Sockets) - so its lots of cores, but not uber fast cores....

[feral dawn]

you'll have to go to google, and search for what is my ip address, and give him that.

[inland sequoia]

how rename a server pls ?

[feral dawn]

Ever used pterodactyl?

[slim spoke]

check in server manager

[silent sequoia]

im using amp panel just now

[feral dawn]

@inland sequoia I believe you have to stop the server, remove the server settings file ServerSettings.15777 %localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames and start it again.

[silent sequoia]

i could never get it to work and AMP was just one script and it installed

[feral dawn]

Yeah that's one thing that annoys me about Pter, is the install process could be simplified

[inland sequoia]

im on linux

[feral dawn]

~/.config/FactoryGame then i think

[inland sequoia]

ok ty

[hallow night]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH
@feral dawn @slim spoke
IT WORKS THANK YOU AGAIN

[feral dawn]

enjoy OCD simulator

[slim spoke]

your very welcome ... have fun! 🙂

[zealous cairn]

hahahahah OCD simulator 😄

[feral dawn]

😄

[zealous cairn]

rebuilds belt angle 8 times to get nice 90 degree bends

[feral dawn]

there ya go haha

always remember "two steps left/right from the line"

instant 90 degree

❤️

[zealous cairn]

redesigns half the factory because bad planning means can't get one 90 degree bend right

[feral dawn]

I've spent the last 12 or so hours of my game time building a dual railroad around the map lol 😐

still not finished yet...

[zealous cairn]

although, I must say:

    761 steam     20   0 9574472   4.7g 181444 R  46.5  60.2  29:55.04 UE4Server-Linux                                                    765 steam     23   3 9574472   4.7g 181444 R   6.9  60.2   1:45.16 TaskGraphHP 3                                                      766 steam     23   3 9574472   4.7g 181444 R   4.0  60.2   1:07.79 TaskGraphHP 4                                                      767 steam     23   3 9574472   4.7g 181444 S   2.0  60.2   0:39.77 TaskGraphHP 5                                                     1665 root      20   0   10712   4252   3452 R   2.0   0.1   0:00.15 top                                                                402 root      20   0       0      0      0 S   1.0   0.0   0:00.45 btrfs-transacti                                                    481 root      20   0  105780  44152  43088 S   1.0   0.5   0:00.26 systemd-journal                                                    776 steam     20   0 9574472   4.7g 181444 S   1.0  60.2   0:09.03 HttpManager                                                        781 steam     20   0 9574472   4.7g 181444 S   1.0  60.2   0:27.89 CIPCServer::Thr                                                    792 steam     20   0 9574472   4.7g 181444 S   1.0  60.2   0:01.63 CIPCServer::Thr                                                

that's certainly more threads

just not very heavily loaded :p

[feral dawn]

text overload lol

hugs

[zealous cairn]

    761 steam     20   0 9612468   4.7g 181444 R  58.0  60.6  31:14.28 /home/steam/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer/Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Server-Linux-Shipping FactoryGame -multihome 0.0.0.0                     771 steam     23   3 9612468   4.7g 181444 S  15.0  60.6   7:12.40 /home/steam/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer/Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Server-Linux-Shipping FactoryGame -multihome 0.0.0.0                     765 steam     23   3 9612468   4.7g 181444 S   6.0  60.6   1:50.74 /home/steam/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer/Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Server-Linux-Shipping FactoryGame -multihome 0.0.0.0                     766 steam     23   3 9612468   4.7g 181444 S   4.0  60.6   1:11.18 /home/steam/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer/Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Server-Linux-Shipping FactoryGame -multihome 0.0.0.0                     767 steam     23   3 9612468   4.7g 181444 S   2.0  60.6   0:41.82 /home/steam/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer/Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Server-Linux-Shipping FactoryGame -multihome 0.0.0.0                     563 root      20   0  255084  18552  16176 S   1.0   0.2   0:50.95 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon                               803 steam     20   0 9612468   4.7g 181444 S   1.0  60.6   3:41.01 /home/steam/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer/Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Server-Linux-Shipping FactoryGame -multihome 0.0.0.0