dedicated-servers

[rose valley]

It's a bug. Will be fixed soon ™️

[solar remnant]

I think it would be a huge inconvenience when you're hosting on a shared server resources, and have asked for three ports and then find out that's not all. @rose valley
Altough usually it's the same port in and out.

[rose valley]

Try to paste it from clipboard as a workaround.

[minor hinge]

is there a way to change the name then? I dont see how I could load a different save file otherwise

[lofty latch]

usually the 'query' is simply a subset of the session negotiation part of the protocol

[minor hinge]

Ill try that

[lofty latch]

so you negate the need for different ports entirely, and port redirection stops being a problem

[rose valley]

I'm also open for considering other options. At the moment we kinda depend on the query port. It integrates with the nice in game UI and all and I really want not just to keep that but keep improving it.

[lofty latch]

My recommendation then would be the offset method

[gray mist]

I like this method

[solar remnant]

How about not forcing the UI on server admins?
If I want to do CLI, I want to do CLI. :)

[lofty latch]

query is always Game Port + X and you have to redirect both by the same increment

[rose valley]

Server admins do not have to use the UI. It's for clients.

[minor hinge]

haha a super quick paste+enter did the trick. Thank you @rose valley

[solar remnant]

They do for the initial setup.

[quick mist]

@rose valley I would suggest not automagically stepping up the port if the desired one is in use. Throw an error and stop. There has been a lot of confusion around "whoops, why am I on port 7778 now?"

[lofty latch]

This 100000000x

if the port is in use, kill it and log it

[gray mist]

Agreed as well

[lofty latch]

anything else results in unpredictable behaviour

[rose valley]

Wait, guys. Let's stay focused on one thing at a time. I really want to address all your concerns.

[quick mist]

sorry

[lofty latch]

xD

[rose valley]

Let's start over. Who wants to go first?

[lofty latch]

everyone is too polite...

[quick mist]

Port advertising. make the "ad" port default to the "real" port if not specified; make the "real" port default to the "standard" port if not specified, then it only gets complex if you have to start overriding ports

[lime portal]

somebody have also problems with the pistol is crashing the server ??

[quick mist]

rebar crash is known

[rose valley]

Okay. So that's kinda my thinking too. Keep it simple for the simple use case and have it slightly more complex for the more complex use case. Although I do kinda like the offsets method, it kinda smells of hack. That's not a yuge problem tho.. our computing world is built on hacks.

[lofty latch]

If I may, collectively the biggest issues for server management in no order are:

• Port incrementation causes unpredictable behaviour and shouldn't be there by default for dedicated servers. Makes sense for listen servers on a local network but not otherwise.
• Port redirection would be nice to address to help with routing issues, either by advertising a different port or using a fixed offset.
• Inability to run any kind of commands that control the server without being in-game.

most peoples complaints are a variation on those 3 themes

can I get an amen?

[gray mist]

Well put!

[quick mist]

hear hear (but for the fact that our benevolent dev wanted to talk about one topic at a time (: )

[rose valley]

So, okay. On the topic of port redirection. I'm tempted to stick to additional parameters for the advertised ports.

[quick mist]

that definitely gets my stamp of approval

[lofty latch]

I'm happy with that

[meager summit]

bogdan doing overtime? ;D

[rose valley]

Wonderful. I hear not everyone might be happy with that but we also have to reconcile our internal architecture too and this plays best with that.

[lofty latch]

7PM here and I'm still working too xD

[solar remnant]

hear hear

[rose valley]

This is not work, Joshie. It's just a usual after work chill out lol

[onyx arrow]

I'm working from home ... playing Satisfactory with friends on the dedicated server. So much for my real-life productivity. Good that i'm self employed. xD

[rose valley]

So shall we move on to the next topic?

[meager summit]

i should probably get back to the game rather than AFK'ing at caterium

[quick mist]

Aye, let's. What's next on the agenda? (:

[meager summit]

admin joshie

[solar remnant]

Probably the server admin thing

[lofty latch]

Port incrementation is undesirable on dedicated servers

Especially since not all of the ports do it - if the query port is in use it crashes out as expected

[rose valley]

Let's go with a first come first serve (sorry Mike!). Server admin. So I want to hear a case of why exactly the current administration approach might not work?

[quick mist]

I can provide one example

[lofty latch]

because it requires you to fire up the game client, connect, and then deal with it - rather than being able to use your phone for example to fire off a command to kick a disruptive user

[upbeat adder]

you might not want to be in-game to change a setting

[quick mist]

if I want to (for instance) trigger a manual save using the SaveGame command, I can't do so from the console or via an rcon-like interface right now

I have to fire up the game client

[hidden rock]

soo.... remote work

[lofty latch]

server admin is not necessarily in game, nor available to join the game when something needs dealing with

[rose valley]

It kinda sounds like a remote control API (or RCON how it's usually called) might make y'all happy?

[quick mist]

exceedingly so

[lofty latch]

ideal would be accepting commands over STDIN

[rose valley]

But a 3rd party would have to step in and set up the tools (web pages, console clients, android apps or whatever)

[lofty latch]

you rang?

[quick mist]

even a REST API to send commands or queries to would be fantastic if not full-on RCON

so long as that API has documentation (:

and yes, I know, documentation is Work

[solar remnant]

I really don't want to fire up the game to initialize the server and do admin things on it.

[lofty latch]

that comes back to our previous discussion of pre-shared HMAC keys

[hidden rock]

didnt the modding community try to do remote factory work before? maybe that can be used for this too?
If i remember right someone managed to monitor their factory from an arduino

[gray mist]

This isn't always possible, at that

[solar remnant]

I want to be able to do things from the server CLI where the thing is running.

[lofty latch]

^

[rose valley]

But with an API you wouldn't have to do that. Do you feel like (as long as the API was complete enough) that could satisfy your needs?

[solar remnant]

No, I don't.

[quick mist]

absolutely

lol

[meager summit]

I should have a global admin availability, admin me on all servers i join, hard coded epic ID

[foggy agate]

what do you want more then an API with full controll over the server 😄

[hidden rock]

thanks joshie very pog

[rose valley]

The server CLI is tricky. UE4 does not have a convenient way of reading stuff from stdin. And we're not going to be able to rework core aspects of the engine.

[quick mist]

let's say hypothetically this API includes a PUT endpoint for "console command to execute here"

[foggy agate]

I can't imagine something better.

[quick mist]

and there is documentation of console commands

I think that would satisfy most needs

[solar remnant]

Even very simple ones to choose the admin password, create world, and the basic setup tasks on the CLI would help.

[rose valley]

I mean we could. But we'd be stuck doing that.

[lofty latch]

If it was Unity I could furnish you with the code to read from STDIN xD

[rose valley]

And also how do you read from STDIN when running as a service?

[meager summit]

unity > unreal

[hidden rock]

dumb idea but, wouldnt giving the server an adress list and telling it "these guys can send you remote commands" work

[rose valley]

The most reasonable approach other daemon like applications follow is to open a socket to receive commands on the localhost.

[quick mist]

you still needs a vector for those commands to be parsed, McG

[lofty latch]

Using a wrapper service, this is what our application does - the server management tool runs as a service and the game servers themselves have their STDIO redirected.

[quick mist]

a tty or terminal port to interact with would be just fine

[rose valley]

Which is a step away from an API which you could also access from the hosting machine itself.

[quick mist]

I mean the "server console" in the server manager is effectively that TTY interface already

[lofty latch]

If you made it a named pipe rather than a network socket you'd free yourself of security issues

[rose valley]

But the API could have far more uses and we don't have limitless resources so we'd rather prioritize the more versatile solution.

[quick mist]

so exposing that to a TCP port (with some basic "auth with the admin password" protection) would probably work nicely

[lofty latch]

well that makes it too easy to be insecure directly

[quick mist]

(or better, a token rather than a cleartext password)

[solar remnant]

The API is probably a good idea, but the basic initial setup needs to be able to done without firing up the client at all.

[lofty latch]

it's why this whole thing about HTTPS for a REST API came in since most users can't be trusted to secure it

[meager summit]

this channel is now #off-topic-tech 2.0 xD

[lofty latch]

^ this

[rose valley]

Yeah, it should be able to do anything the game does (bar play the game).

[quick mist]

not-serious suggestion: implement an SSH server with keypair authentication to access the console

[lofty latch]

@quick mist no joke, we do this.

[prime gorge]

Two additional questions for Bogdan:

• Are you investing in multi threading application for the server?
• Are server side mods a thing? Or will this be up for the moders? Or are we going to load mods on the server as well as on the client side?

[rose valley]

There's no console. What you refer as console is a combination of a terminal + shell. Our game is neither of those.

[lofty latch]

Someone didn't watch the stream!

[solar remnant]

The mod thing is probably best asked on the modder discord.

[prime gorge]

There was one? Then you can happily sum up my questions 🙂

[rose valley]

Short answer on mods, it's up to the modders and they have all our support for that.

[prime gorge]

Neat 🙂

[quick mist]

moral support (:

[foggy agate]

As far as I was aware, about a year ago, CSS talked about a real official way to support mods. But I might missed something in the last year.

[rose valley]

If and when they need more, we'll do our best.

[solar remnant]

Like you have done in the past with the plugins thing.

[hidden rock]

i think dedicated received priority over that?

[meager summit]

what a model developer

[rose valley]

Don't change, Josie ❤️
(also don't tell anyone I said this)

[foggy agate]

yes, thats what I heared too, but I never received any update or if that has been killed in the last year.

[meager summit]

I wont Bodan

[hidden rock]

good boi Jüshi

[foggy agate]

because I think mod support as is right now, works good enought.

[hidden rock]

its not really support as in "we try not to make the modders life hard" is it?

[quick mist]

getting back to the interface discussion: as an admin the main things that come to mind that I'd want are the ability to do remotely extrinsic of the game client "is the server up?", "How many players are online?", "Save the game", "List available saved games", "list known session names", "Set session name to X", "Load game X", "Restart the server", "Shutdown the server"

[rose valley]

I fear I don't have broad enough overview to be able to answer that. atm I'm the server guy.

[minor hinge]

😅 dumb question but where/what info do my friends have to input to join my satis server?

[lofty latch]

Also "chat with the server" and "kick/ban player"

[gray mist]

we'll see how it goes with dedicated server though... A lot of us will want Linux support as well

[calm saffron]

Back to the API question, I think a lot depends on whether you're going to be making and supporting console commands either way, or if you'd drop the console commands if you had an API. If the former, I'd probably look at whatever the easiest way to receive those are, since you don't have to support both API and Console Commands. If the latter, it's a bit more interesting.

[prime gorge]

@quick mist What's wrong with the auto save every 5 minutes?

[hidden rock]

"set autosave interval to x"

[quick mist]

If I'm about to shut down the server for Reasons, triggering a save Right Hecking Now is desirable

[solar remnant]

OOooh, I remember something. I would love to see the autosave message even if I'm on a dedicated.

[gray mist]

I like being able to manually save right before shut down, or doing something really dumb like testing if rebar guns crash the server :p

[rose valley]

I mean, if there is room for a higher level API call to achieve something, then it should be prefered. And we should also have a console for all the other things.

[prime gorge]

Update 5 -> Main Menu -> Server browser -> add -> IP and Port if different from default value

[wintry panther]

Console commands are much better than an API, plus from what I know there's already all the header files so writing something to interact with the game isn't that hard

[foggy agate]

exactly like do it, in the server manager, put the IP there and might give them the password if you set one.

[minor hinge]

thank you!

[rose valley]

When it comes to the API, I used to prefer a REST approach. However, now I'm leaning more towards something built on Websockets. Does anyone feel very strongly towards one or the other? I'll still have to figure out how to secure the darn thing but that's a topic on it's own.

[lofty latch]

I massively favour websockets.

[foggy agate]

+1

[quick mist]

I like REST. for security, use Certificates. Make the server a local CA

I would be happy with sockets though

[lofty latch]

It allows real time communication, so you can properly log player join / leave / chat

[wintry panther]

I like console commands. Websockets works best, e.g. Rust's implementation is quite good. RCON is another solution but ehh.

[calm saffron]

Interesting! From what I've seen, WebSockets seem to be falling out of favour, but maybe that's only in browser-based apps?

[lofty latch]

It's very much not, discord is based on them xD

[quick mist]

Discord is a web browser pretending to be an application but that's an whole otehr can of worms

[lofty latch]

Your secure it by only accepting connections from localhost and requiring a pre shared auth token

[rose valley]

The real time connection makes it quite compelling. The statelessness of REST APIs is kinda getting in the way of things.

[lofty latch]

A JSON message per event and a message to invoke methods

JSONRPC over websockets xD

[solar remnant]

websockets would work.

[rose valley]

Oh and sorry for having to open yet another port in your firewalls

[lofty latch]

REST also means lots of polling for information

Lol well you wouldn't expose that publicly usually

[calm saffron]

Yeah, that's always been the biggest issue with REST. You could just do long-polling? 😏 😛

[rose valley]

If it's secure, I'd like to. It can be used for a lot of third party apps. But that's a big IF.

[quick mist]

At least we will have one TCP port that we can to proper netcat tests with (:

[rose valley]

Without enforcing domains and CA issued certificates every solution will be some sort of compromise. And that's too much.

[quick mist]

well if Satisfactory is the local CA.. (:

[solar remnant]

That port should probably be exposed by default on localhost only.

[calm saffron]

I'd almost rather have two WebSocket ports - one for admin commands, and one for not 🤔

Just add a dependency on Let's Encrypt? 😂

[lofty latch]

That gets messy

[wintry panther]

This websockets thing is sounding messy already lol

[rose valley]

Yeah that's what's likely to happen in the end.

[lofty latch]

Plus most people would either use their admin tool which only connects locally, or use a tool in ssh

[quick mist]

rather than two ports why not just expose different data streams based on the authentication used?

[lofty latch]

Speaking for myself and my users I only care that its accessible via localhost.

[wintry panther]

Make it http, if someone wants https, nginx reverse proxy 😉 done

[rose valley]

But then people can just open it up as http and then hold us liable when their server is insecure.

[wintry panther]

There is no domain names involved here so certificates won't work really

[rose valley]

People have a very underdeveloped sense of cyber-security in my experience. Even experienced folks.

[lofty latch]

If it only listens on 127.0.0.1 then you raise the barrier to entry to people who can set up an RP

[wintry panther]

Ehh, what is this for though? Is it so servers can have a store and sell splitters for $5 each or is it passing sensitive data?

[calm saffron]

Oh yes. Security is hard to get right, and tends to be a major inconvenience when you do 😕

[quick mist]

inb4 air-gapped Satisfactory servers

[rose valley]

Which is something most of them will copy and paste from some tutorial without giving it much thought. But I agree that it can be a way forward.

[calm saffron]

One issue would be if the API exposed some sort of RCE vulnerability

[rose valley]

lol I'm a bit of a freak on security I guess. I think it's too often overlooked.

[quick mist]

I applaud you

[lofty latch]

I agree

[quick mist]

though

[calm saffron]

History agrees with you - I'm looking at you, insecure-by-default MongoDB 😂

[quick mist]

the "first person to connect to this server wins ownership of it" kind of belies that

[cursive zenith]

Just dropping into the conversation, but about APIs... the issue I have with websocket instances is the fact that you MUST be connected all the time, and this can become troublesome when you are trying to scale.. though I don't know what type of API we are talking about.

[lofty latch]

@rose valley this is why named pipes have such a huge advantage. It doesn't run over the network but allows real time information exchange.

If an external tool exposed that over a network socket it stops being your problem

[rose valley]

Okay, I have accumulated a lot of insights on your preferences wrt to an API. Are there other outstanding issues to delve into?

[wintry panther]

@rose valley Steam query!

[lofty latch]

Port incrementation!

Nuuuu

[calm saffron]

Yeah, I agree with this.

[rose valley]

Yeah going back to APIs then. I like named pipes a lot but I'm a little ignorant on them. Do they work on Windows? (those are unix sockets basically, or? )

[prime gorge]

I second this. Security is just that totally obscure and unnecessary thing which just makes everything way more complicated than it has to do. Nothing worth just applying basic things ...

[quick mist]

unix sockets are very similar to named pipes but there are subtle differences

[lofty latch]

@rose valley yes - they function almost identically

[quick mist]

there is a large large overlap on their Venn diagram though

[lofty latch]

I am more than happy to give you a rundown of the APIs and how it all behaves.

But the approach is entirely portable across OSs.

[foggy agate]

until now, not really, most works fine, I think trains have a bit of an issue, latency is a bit silly sometimes (at least from testing it on GCC and DO). But for an super super early version (as it is called in the patch notes) it works awesomely well! 🙂 You guys made a good Job!

[quick mist]

outstanding issue from the earlier list is the request to kibosh automagic port binding incrementation

[cursive zenith]

Trains def. ^ a lot of issues, besides that just some optimizations that need to be done (mid-late game desync because a single core is being hammered), etc..

[solar remnant]

I would love to know how the latency is calculated in the manage players menu when using a dedicated? Is that roundtrip latency?

[lofty latch]

On Windows its a little more similar to a FIFO stream in that you read and write from/to a file handle.

[calm saffron]

God I hope so

[wintry panther]

Truck fuel is one. Trains also when you're inside them on auto mode are capped to 31mw (on server only, single player in update 5, they're not capped).

[prime gorge]

Running into some minor issues here and there. But they are all covered on QA already. Super happy with the current state. Looking forward what's yet to come for us 🙂

[rose valley]

I will self study named pipes on my own and consider them. Let's take the next thing then. Let's take the port autoincrement and then the rest.

[lofty latch]

Disabled by default on dedis. Crash out if the port is occupied with a clear error.

[calm saffron]

100% agree

[quick mist]

As a server and systems admin, when I start a service and the docs say "runs on port x", it is suboptimal for it to quietly decide "I will instead use x+1" without my asking it to.

[rose valley]

That's vanilla UE4 behavior. I can understand why it can be annoying. I also don't know if anyone would explicitly rely on that. People who need control would use explicit ports anyway.

[wintry panther]

That's a bad idea lol, we should be able to control the ports. On Windows auto incrementation is no issue too.

[rose valley]

But vanillaUE4 or not, I think that it would be far easier to just disable it.

[lofty latch]

It's useful for LAN usage where you don't care.

[calm saffron]

Well, if I'm going to use the default port, I'm not going to add a flag to set the port to the default. Why would I do that?

[prime gorge]

Only thing I want to ask, having the luxuary of you being here, is to have a second dedicated server channel for troubleshooting/setup questions so we can have suggestions and brainstorming events like these not being pushed away by the tenth question on where to put IPs or how to setup servers.

[quick mist]

and we've had several folks in here we've needed to help wherein the solution was "wait what this is running on n+2 for some reason?"

[prime gorge]

like #dedicated-servers-troubleshooting or something

[lofty latch]

@wintry panther it's absolutely an issue. It screws around with firewalls and routing to no end.

And makes diagnosing network issues that much harder.

[wintry panther]

We've had no issues with it due to Windows firewall allowing us to dynamically allow the port the game chooses

[lofty latch]

I don't know of a single other server application that behaves this way.

[rose valley]

I'm sorry I may be hogging the channel now, I understand. Maybe I should look into who can set up another channel for these discussions.

[wintry panther]

I wish we could just define the ports, which is what most games do 😛

[quick mist]

idea: Threads!

[prime gorge]

Thanks alot - exactly what I am asking about 🙂

[solar remnant]

@rose valley Create a thread? :)

[lofty latch]

@wintry panther you can

[wintry panther]

Do they actually use what is defined now?

[cursive zenith]

create threads for the discussion under this channel!

[lofty latch]

Yes as of the latest documentation on the subject.

[wintry panther]

ah that's nice, i guess our firewall workaround isn't needed now

[rose valley]

I don't seem to be allowed to create threads. Will have to postpone this discussion until I figure this out.

[quick mist]

no worries

[solar remnant]

It seems a lot of the channels don't have the permissions for threads. :(

[quick mist]

they defaulted to 'off' when they were introduced

so I'm not shocked

[solar remnant]

Huh, I don't think it did that originally.

[wintry panther]

@rose valley I know there's now a command for save, which is nice. Is it possible to add commands to listplayers, pause and resume to the server?

[rose valley]

@oblique owl , so sorry for the ping. Do you know who might be able to enable threads on this channel?

[solar remnant]

My guess is Jace or Snutt.

[calm saffron]

Probably need someone with the @ Admin role

[fluid turret]

Threads are always enabled I think only mods can create them

for some very good reasons I might add

[foggy agate]

anyways, to round up this all, I really feel like a big, warm thank you is needed, not just for doing such an awesome job with the servers, but in genereall for being here and looking for what we need to enjoy the game. Also thanks to all in the team, you are awesome. 🙂

[cursive zenith]

Is there a help command yet?

[quick mist]

here, here, RedLiz

[solar remnant]

I love how CSS actually cares about what the people need/want and that's a really nice thing to see. (Looking at you Ubisoft)

[quick mist]

we need to see what it would cost to hire a xenogeneticist to create a genuine Lizard Doggo to send to CSS

[lofty latch]

Lizard doggo go space?

[foggy agate]

there are only two commands, as stated in the wiki. 🙂

quit and savegame 😄

[quick mist]

four, but three are synonyms

[wintry panther]

there's 4 technically, but 3 do the same thing 😄

I would like if save game could be ran without passing in a save name

[lofty latch]

Ooh, other major issue - save game location

[solar remnant]

I wouldn't call it an issue.

[quick mist]

is it all that major? if you want it some where else, make a symlink

[wintry panther]

It's a big issue, means we have to symlink

[solar remnant]

Why is it an issue?

[quick mist]

even Windows has symlinks now

[wintry panther]

If I'm running 30 instances of Satisfactory on a system, that's a lot of symlinks that don't have to be there.

[solar remnant]

Aaah, right

[lofty latch]

It screws with binds as well if you run the instances in containers.

[wintry panther]

Then we have to check the links every start/stop and make sure save files don't get lost.. Symlinks aint fun 😛

[lofty latch]

Also makes it harder for external tools to keep everything tidy and packaged up.

And again, most server applications don't behave this way.

[wintry panther]

Valheim 😉 well not anymore but there you go 😄

[quick mist]

stashing saves in ~/.config/Epic was not an obvious choice but at least it's predictable

[lofty latch]

Aye they fixed that mercifully

[solar remnant]

I would expect them to be in the same directory as the actual game server files.

But yeah that Epic folder is predictable at least.

[calm saffron]

Conversely, I wouldn't expect that - that hasn't been common for games in a very long time 🤔

[quick mist]

stashing save files in the server binary tree is suboptimal

[foggy agate]

I wouldn't call '/home/USER/.config/....../ predictable.....

[quick mist]

that means you lose your saves if you reinstall with rm -fr

[solar remnant]

True, but so is .config

[austere yoke]

I have a problem, when logging into the server, the namespace appears, but after 12 seconds the connection drops. How do I fix this disconnection issue?
#satisfactory-experimental message

[quick mist]

it's predictable in that it's a place that does not change once and is known once you read the docs

[lofty latch]

If you want a snapshot of the entire game server state for a backup it shouldn't be necessary to go hunting for multiple directories.

[wintry panther]

Is it in %appdata% %localappdata% or %localappdata%Low .. it's always uncertain with games

[runic hemlock]

Any fix for the dedi, thats stopping from alone?

[lofty latch]

If the servers actual configuration isn't in dot config...

[cursive zenith]

It's certainly predictable if you have been under linux for a while, given that the equivalent of %appdata% on linux is ~/.config/.

[faint wagon]

anyone have an nginx config example for using an FQDN rather than IP?

[cursive zenith]

nginx for what? tcp proxying?

[wintry panther]

@faint wagon dns?

[solar remnant]

nginx is TCP, game is UDP

[austere yoke]

help pls

[quick mist]

game has nothing to do with HTTP/S, why are you involving ngnix?

[austere yoke]

#dedicated-servers message

[lofty latch]

Also on Windows, if you run Satisfactory as a service then the save game data ends up in c:\windows\serviceprofiles

Reeeeealy not ideal

[cursive zenith]

nginx is tcp or http, with fqdn matching only being available in http because domains aren't a concept in raw tcp

[solar remnant]

That sounds like a hazard....

[faint wagon]

I run a rproxy server to handle incoming traffic would love to have traffic forwarded to the nginx rproxy first, then to the game server

[lofty latch]

It's not great

[wintry panther]

I think I know what you mean @cursive zenith let me check and see if i have something for that. HAProxy might be a better option

[cursive zenith]

Not possible with domains, the best you can do is port redirection, and nginx wouldn't be the tool for that since the game uses UDP.

[runic hemlock]

Server, made with lgsm is stopping from alone. Any fix?

Is uptodate

[faint wagon]

@quick mist you can use other ports in nginx? just looking to use it as a local proxy for incoming traffic rather than forwarding straight to the game server

[calm saffron]

Satisfactory doesn't support external port not matching internal port, IIRC.

[solar remnant]

Not gonna work for the game server. Game uses UDP, nginx uses TCP/http.

[faint wagon]

@solar remnant

[wintry panther]

Game traffic doesn't matter, it's about the query

Game uses TCP to query, so it can use a domain, then gets the UDP port and uses that to play

[lofty latch]

I should reverse engineer the query protocol xD

[quick mist]

Sure you can use that steel bookshelf as a screwdriver if you try hard enough but it's a lot more work than it needs to be

[cursive zenith]

TCP does not have the concept of domains

[wintry panther]

@lofty latch already looked, it's source engine query

[lofty latch]

@wintry panther no shit?

[wintry panther]

Yeaah that's why i don't get why it isn't working as standard lol

[faint wagon]

@quick mist eh, that's a little extreme. I use nginx for a lot of things and I like to keep all my translations in one place

[quick mist]

they're using TCP data payloads on a UDP connection? the what?

[lofty latch]

@wintry panther last time I tried I couldn't connect using steam

[wintry panther]

I ended up writing a python script to read the logs to get player count

You can't connect via steam and it doesn't show on steam, but it is source engine protocol

[lofty latch]

Otherwise steam://connect/instaban.com/15777 would work and show a query response

Huh

[wintry panther]

Yea go figure 😄

Perhaps non standard

[quick mist]

I will concede that I am somewhat ignorant of nginx, in my head it's mainly "Apache httpd only not"

[lofty latch]

Is it A2S?

[faint wagon]

@quick mist no worries, it was a shot in the dark anyway

[calm saffron]

NGINX Plus supports TCP/UDP. Unsure if NGINX OSS does. Either way, the port(s) NGINX is listening on have to match the ports that Satisfactory is listening on.

[cursive zenith]

Likely a quake engine protocol evolution? since unreal and source are both forks of the same engine

[wintry panther]

It appears to be Half-Life query based

[solar remnant]

Using nginx for it, is a lot more trouble that what it's worth I think.

[rose valley]

Is it happening on retries (ie if you restart the game and/or the server)?

[faint wagon]

@calm saffron yeah, was hoping for a quick copy/paste if someone else had one. I'll work on it and report back if anyone else things it's useful. As someone else noted, having 30 instances gets almost impossible to manage with just ports

[wintry panther]

Packets match it yes

[hidden rock]

i dont even know half these spells

[lofty latch]

Interesting.

[cursive zenith]

🧙🏻‍♂️

[austere yoke]

I restarted the server and the game still gets the same errors and the game crashes

[austere yoke]

Client Error

[calm saffron]

But you don't have a choice. NGINX server directive for TCP/UDP doesn't support hostnames, as far as I can see, nor would any other TCP/UDP reverse proxy.

[rose valley]

That's a crash call stack I haven't seen before. Thank you! I'm afraid I don't have any advice for you right now. What platform are you on/ how are you setting up your server? Edit: Platform is clear. Other question still applies.

[lime elm]

Hey guys, Got an odd issue. I was running AMP on my Windows 11 PC with 2 servers going. I have now got a VPS and installed AMP etc and copied the saves over. But 1 sever will load its's save fine, The other server just loads a fresh game up and wont load the save I copied over. Any ideas? not a clue if this is an issue with AMP or satisfacorty though 😦

[faint wagon]

@calm saffron i'm not sure whatyou mean by that, i use nginx to route dns names to local IP addresses all the time?

[cursive zenith]

Does the second server's save have a session name?

[austere yoke]

Pterodactyl panel linux centos 7 use.

[cursive zenith]

If you left the session name box empty when you created the save, that's going to happen ^

[faint wagon]

i just want satisfactory.example.com to hit my router, go to my nginx config, and forward that traffic to 10.0.0.X @calm saffron

[lofty latch]

@lime elm hello again, which user owns the save game files?

[lime elm]

it asks me to create a new game, I enter the save's session name that i want to load and hit enter.

[calm saffron]

That part is easy - just point satisfactory.example.com to your machine, expose the ports, and off you go.

[lime elm]

this is a windows install

[lofty latch]

Sorry im slower to respond, it's dinner time xD

[lime elm]

but also the same issue on ubunti

[faint wagon]

@calm saffron that's exactly what i'm trying NOT to do lol

[lime elm]

ubuntu*, there its an AMP user

i have a feeling there is soemthing wrong with the save file its self sadly

[cursive zenith]

For domain to IP translation you can ONLY do using DNS. Nginx has nothing to do with this part. What nginx can do, is UNDER HTTP, redirect different domains to different HTTP endpoints when talking the HTTP protocol. This is only possible IN HTTP, you can't know which domain was used in other protocols because it was translated to an IP before the connection was made.

[rich void]

@austere yoke I am taking a leap here but the error is with the Beacon section. Can you confirm the port you use for beacon is not in use? Default is 15000.

[lofty latch]

Quite possibly if it's ignoring the save

[calm saffron]

If you want satisfactory.example.com and satisfactory2.example.com to point to the same server and both use the same ports, then that's not possible unless the machine has two IP addresses assigned. It works for HTTP requests because it's using the Host header to route the request. But IIRC there's no equivalent for TCP/UDP packets, so you're SOL.

[cursive zenith]

Join the server on the empty map -> esc -> load game -> see if the old save is there somewhere

If you can load that way, at least the save is there, the next step is then identifying why it can't auto-load it

[lime elm]

the saves for the server and the saves for single player are not in the same location

i can copy it over and see if it loads in single player

[faint wagon]

@calm saffron correct, i have several VMs, all with different IPs. my rproxy is on my DMZ and is much more hardened. Gotta be a way somewhere, people do it all the time in the real world

[calm saffron]

For HTTP, sure. For raw TCP/UDP? Not so sure about that.

[cursive zenith]

Not possible in TCP/UDP. You can only do port redirection (and can be done with a firewall/no tool required)

[lime elm]

ohhhhh s***

[austere yoke]

I was told that the default port is 7777 but

[faint wagon]

"For UDP traffic, also include the udp parameter. As TCP is the default protocol for the stream context, there is no tcp parameter to the listen directive:"

[lime elm]

i just figured it out

at some point in the transfer.... i think its overwritten my save with a new one..

[cursive zenith]

It probably did that when you created a new session with the same name as the old one

[cursive zenith]

.

[rich void]

yes thats the game port, there are 2 other ports being used too. Beacon uses 15000 and query uses 15777. Your error appears to be with the beacon, so check to see if another application is using 15000

[lime elm]

ok no.. thats not it..

[cursive zenith]

Have you managed to load (or find the save) when connected to the server?

[austere yoke]

I checked it is not using
The server does not appear as active in the server management section

[lime elm]

i just loaded an old save from the 27th oct into single player and.... its a fresh game still.

so the save is goosed?

[sacred peak]

mz train onlz drive with up to 31 mw in autopilot mode, is that an bug?

[lime elm]

think i might cut my losses and try and load one of my older single player saves

[rich void]

Ok, you may want to change the beacon port to another number and see if that worked.

[cursive zenith]

only happens when a player is inside the train, go on top and it should go as fast as needed

[wintry panther]

that's a thing on servers only, if you're not in the train itll go full speed

[sacred peak]

thx

[sacred peak]

ohh, while writing i had leaved the train, now im waitring for the train

[austere yoke]

Not connect ?

[rich void]

the server is getting it but the client is not receiving the "acceptance" code

[austere yoke]

Server start command

./Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Server-Linux-Shipping FactoryGame -multihome={{SERVER_IP}} ?listen -Port={{SERVER_PORT}} -ServerQueryPort={{QUERY_PORT}} -BeaconPort={{BEACON_PORT}}

[rocky sentinel]

What container are you running in your egg config?

[austere yoke]

Pterodactyl Panel use

[rocky sentinel]

Yes I see that, but you don't need to run the UE4 command, it works with ./FactoryServer.sh -ServerQueryPort={{SERVER_PORT}} -BeaconPort={{BEACON_PORT}} -Port={{GAME_PORT}}

That's of course assuming you are running the right egg setup

[austere yoke]

I've installed the egg and haven't made any edits, I'm installing with the default setting.

[lofty latch]

Sounds like so much effort for a tool thats supposed to make it easy 😂

[rocky sentinel]

eh, easy is relative.

[lofty latch]

Thankfully for me xD

[crystal eagle]

Guys im looking for the config file for the server, when i follow the wiki as in picture in the config folder there is no WindowsServer! help anyone please 🙂

[quick mist]

have you started the server at least once?

you need to do so for the default files to be generated.

[rocky sentinel]

The default files don't get created until you shut the server down gracefully at least once

so start your server, and then issue a quit from the in game console

[crystal eagle]

yes it has been running for moer than 24hrs and three of us have joined

[crystal eagle]

I did shut it down today for a restart but nothing shows, btw it is a steam server not steamcmd

[rocky sentinel]

How did you shut it down though?

[crystal eagle]

i cannot type in the console so i press top right x to quit

[quick mist]

there's the problem

[rocky sentinel]

Right, that will just kill it, it doesn't shut it down gracefully, you have to type quit in the console or on Linux issue a SIGINT to stop the process

[quick mist]

start the server, connect to it in the game client

and then in the server manager go to the Console

and there, issue the 'quit' command

[crystal eagle]

Oh in the game! brilliant thanks I'll try that

[quick mist]

clicking the 'X' just shoots the process in the head, no time is given for it to clean up after itself

(or, in this case, write state to disk)

[crystal eagle]

I managed to shutdown the server from the console and the WindowsServer folder was there but looking through the config files i couldnt find what i was looking for mainly to increase the player count to at least 6

[quick mist]

#dedicated-servers message
make that addition to the specified file

[austere yoke]

Why does this happen?

[versed merlin]

usually happens if ports aren’t forwarded correctly on your router

[fluid turret]

or timeout

[versed merlin]

Or, if your client is taking too long to complete the connection

[rich void]

esp if you changed the beacon port from default

[orchid lodge]

yo anyone wanna go halfs on a server host and play together? if so dm me

[lofty latch]

yo @fluid turret - that rule 3 change is very uncool

Putting your own agenda over making sure information is accessible to users is very king-of-my-castle.

[tame solar]

It's about as cool as Fandom's community guidelines which we must abide by. You should really give them a read.
https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Fandom_Community_Guidelines

[lofty latch]

I don't see that anything there applies - it's not spam if it's relevant, useful to users. The "must be free" is entirely arbitrary

[fluid turret]

This is not something to discuss in public channels.

[lofty latch]

Heaven forbid some accountability

Fine, may we continue discussing this in private?

[fluid turret]

I suggest messaging Ondar as he is the wiki guardian but its totally up to you.

[wintry panther]

I have to say, I just read that and I fail to see the word free in it.

[lofty latch]

^ by that logic all 3 of them are 'adverts' of a kind - just for software that is free to use

[foggy agate]

is this still on topic? 🧐

[lofty latch]

#off-topic-general for wiki discussion?

[foggy agate]

seems so

or #off-topic-tech ?

[lofty latch]

I'd DM him to discuss it but he has them turned off and I can't send him a request either

[final hemlock]

how can I make myself administrator on a server that's already running with a save?

when I started it up I claimed it, but after I moved the server to another vlan (and thus, different IP) I'm not administrator anymore since I had to re-add it in satisfactory.

[valid geyser]

Is there actually an official bug tracker or can we use the wiki for that? If there is one, could you maybe pin it here somehow?

[hushed gate]

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports at https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ - <3 @fluid turret

Nov 2, 2021, 10:01 PM

[fluid turret]

The QA website tracks everything, bugs, feature requests, questions.

just look for the tag dedicated servers

[valid geyser]

Oh to easy

[devout dune]

given that I am in linux, how does one update the server?

[balmy glacier]

how you install?

If steamcmd steamcmd +login anonymous +app_install 1690800 +validate

[cursive zenith]

When you are adding the server in-game, you use the admin password instead of the normal password

this grants your connection admin privileges

[crystal eagle]

Hey thanks

[sudden ferry]

is there a public test server?

[final hemlock]

damn, fairly sure I know what I set it to but it's not working. I'm probably just forgetting honestly

is there a way to reset it? or should I just create a new instance of the server and port the save over?

[cursive zenith]

unsure, porting the save over should work tho

[final hemlock]

or is the admin password part of the save lmao

[quick mist]

no, the admin password is encrypted in the server settings file

[final hemlock]

you mean this file?

[plush fjord]

is anyone else experiencing weird things with belt speed?

[foggy agate]

no

and we don't recommend any service pr server.

[plush fjord]

just upgraded a full production to mk4 belts from mk3 and nothing is overflowing like it should

[foggy agate]

miggt wanna take a look at #looking-for-group-old

[spring sable]

any workarounds for the trains not unloading?

[devout dune]

exactly, thanks!

[cursive zenith]

are they just stopping -> instantly going away?

[spring sable]

they wont unload at the station

and yes i have told it to unload

[cursive zenith]

U need to be a bit more specific, is the train stopping at the station and staying there

or is it just stopping and instantly leaving the station

[spring sable]

oh sorry

its stopping and staying

[orchid lodge]

yo anyone wanna go halfs on a server host and play together? if so dm me

[cursive zenith]

Hm, if it's stopping and staying there isn't much of a fix, if you enter the train, does the UI show a "Docking..." indicator?

[spring sable]

yes

[cursive zenith]

Yeah then you are out of luck, it's a known bug in dedicated servers

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/617cf913831c852052356a19

[spring sable]

ok, thank you for the help

[foggy agate]

#looking-for-group-old

[cursive zenith]

You can try rebuilding the entire station+train+wagons+platforms and then recreating the timetable

but it might not work

[spring sable]

ok its worth a shot

[orchid lodge]

Yh I got 1 hour to wait so as its somthing to do with a server I put it here

[cursive zenith]

a friend of mine managed to get two trains to work in our save with that issue you reported, we are still unsure how though

[devout dune]

how to make server always load the same save?

like I don't know why does it always make me initialize a new world

[foggy agate]

you have to put a session name in the server settings tab.

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Loading_a_save_file

[proper wedge]

Okay so belts are just disappearing. Server restarts bring it back.

[quick mist]

the good news is that while the belts are disappearing, the things they carry do not

[proper wedge]

true

You have a point fish, but its tough to work on things when they poof on me lmfao

[frosty gale]

anyone know a good server hoster for satisfactory where i can pay for a server?

[quick mist]

there are myriad. Search for "VPS Provider" and you will literally find hundreds of hosting options

If I could be bothered, could even probably prepare an AMI for AWS EC2, but Effort.

[devout dune]

Engine crash handling finished; re-raising signal 11 for the default handler. Good bye.
Segmentation fault

wow

[cunning bane]

so do signs just not work currently?

[quick mist]

yes.

they tend to revert currently

[rose lotus]

This is working surprisingly well. Granted my base is tiny, but the server is only using around 10% at the moment.

[sonic ridge]

invisible belts, random odd conveyor rendering, signs reverting, trains not unloading, yep, works well 🙂

[quick mist]

I mean in the grand scheme of things, it does work pretty well

particularly for a week since first release

I didn't get to see how broken multiplayer was when it first rolled out but I'm sure it had its warts

like "oh, I'm not the host, there is no actual way I can fight any of the native hostile creatures successfully"

or "what even is driving?"

[sonic ridge]

yeah, i'm enjoying my time with it so far

[foggy agate]

what do you expect from an super early version? 😄

[sharp geode]

Anyone else having signs, vehicle routes and programmable splitters reverting / bugging way out?

I understand this is an experimental thing, but I'm just curious if it's wide spread.

[fluid turret]

Yes its widespread, you should check out the QA site. @sharp geode

[hushed gate]

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports at https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ - <3 @fluid turret

Nov 2, 2021, 11:50 PM

[sharp geode]

Sorry, new to the game and wasn't aware this was a thing. Thanks!

[vestal yarrow]

Any news of the dismantle crash?

client thing or dedicated server thing?

[fluid turret]

Yes as linked above the QA site has many reports on this, I think its marked as fixed internally.

[foggy agate]

this only seems to happen when the hologramms are still in the fov... so massdismantle, press for leaving it and when the holograms are away, try again.

[unborn rover]

this is an interesting bug. there are working pipes and conveyors that are invisible?
also had this happen when deleting objects, they would become invisible but still have hit boxes and be there.
possibly a server to client coms issue?

[cinder wind]

I saw some of that with conveyors disappearing but still having hit boxes yesterday, logging out and logging in seemed to fix it

[unborn rover]

tried that a couple of times, even with fully closing the game. only way i managed to get it sorted was a restart of the server. even then its not brilliant. (understandable though as its very rough implementation at this point)

[cinder wind]

Do you have you server set to pause when no one is there?

[hushed lance]

Has anyone ran into a bug not being able to load items into a train station?

[brittle arch]

Ive seen people reporting that alot on here

[grizzled bobcat]

Hello , do i have to own two coppies of satisfactory steam , to create a server ?

if not , how to proceed with one account .. i'm lost

i have linux on my friend server

and i have my game on pc

what should i install on my friend server exactly ?

should i install steam there ? and how to bring satisfactory dedicated server ? !

is this the right command ? steamcmd +login anonymous +force_install_dir ~/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer +app_update 1690800 validate +quit

[vale frost]

Nope.

You don't even have to own the game at all to make a server.

[grizzled bobcat]

so how you install the server on the linux

i mean the dedicated server

app

[vale frost]

No idea. I don't own any servers, and both my computers are windows machines.

[grizzled bobcat]

ok , explain to me

on your other windows

how you launch the dedicated server ?

[vale frost]

Please check the pinned messages.

[hushed lance]

This is right

But follow the wiki to do it right

[grizzled bobcat]

ok , after that , is it going to ask me for steam logins ?

[hushed lance]

no

go to the wiki

[grizzled bobcat]

i am on it

[vale frost]

My isp doesn't allow port forwarding (I intend to rectify this soon), so I can't set up ANY server, so I'm no help except for general know-how

[hushed lance]

Then follow it.

[grizzled bobcat]

i am , thanks anyway

we did open the ports forwarding and i had a message which i didn't understand

i'll capture for u guys , if this , isn't working

this is what asks me

i did port 15777 when i create the server

is it this one i should port forwarding on my router ?

[cinder wind]

There's 3 ports you need to open 15777, 15000, and 7777

[grizzled bobcat]

it's working now !

[grizzled bobcat]

Thanks again mate 😉

[alpine relic]

How do I set/reset the interval of server restarting?

[cinder wind]

I have a cron job set to restart mine at 3:00 am every morning.

[grizzled bobcat]

i have access to the server but once i want to join the server i have this message

i have 4gb of ram and 4 cores and 20gb on hard drive , is the ram the issue

[alpine relic]

Thx, I'll try it.

[cinder wind]

Maybe the RAM, I thought they said 6GB was recommended

[grizzled bobcat]

6gb is the minimum , i'll add 4 gb and restart the server and see

upgraded

let's see now ..

[slim spoke]

one of the devs said as a reply to somoene.. so far 6gb seems like a good min ram amount.. its not official cause servers arent done

[grizzled bobcat]

It's working finally but i noticed that the server needs around 9Gb of ram as showed on the performance summary , look right screenshot .

[cinder wind]

Mine has 16GB available and uses around 30% with just me on it.

[grizzled bobcat]

ok regarding my save , where i put on linux ? should i put on a folder called server here ? /home/speedfragger/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer/FactoryGame/Saved

[versed merlin]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Loading_a_save_file

[grizzled bobcat]

Thanks !

but that's for client , what about server ?

[versed merlin]

read the wiki.

it tells you where to put the save file

[keen orchid]

i think as usual.. more is better

[grizzled bobcat]

let me find it

[keen orchid]

my server is using nearly 5gb in early game.. im sure that will go up a lot late game

[versed merlin]

Depends on playerload, factory setup, etc. BUt yeah, expect it to only go upwards 😄

[keen orchid]

number of players likely makes a difference too

[versed merlin]

Currently, with two players, I’m running about 7GB of RAM usage, in a end-game server (2.3mb save file)

[cinder wind]

In your home directory .config/epic/server/savegames

[grizzled bobcat]

this is what i have my home and i don't have .config/epic on linux

i did the manual installation

[versed merlin]

ls -lah

[versed merlin]

then go into your user’s home directory

or the user that installed the dedicated server files

and do an ls there

[keen orchid]

my docker saves them in this location "appdata\satisfactory.config\Epic\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\server"

[grizzled bobcat]

here

im using dedicated machine btw

[versed merlin]

same the .config?

*see

[grizzled bobcat]

Thanks so much man

[cinder wind]

CD .config

[keen orchid]

mine was from a network share.. so yeah wasnt a complete path

[grizzled bobcat]

okay

[cinder wind]

Not sure why the saves aren't saved in the same directory as the server.

[versed merlin]

Welcome to the world of the Unreal Engine dedicated server.

[grizzled bobcat]

😄

[cinder wind]

My Conan Exiles server keeps them in one place, but it has its own list of problems

[grizzled bobcat]

to restart the dedicated server should i reboot the machine or the service

[versed merlin]

to be fair, I expected it to be a bit better… the last time I hosted and ran UE dedicated servers was Unreal Engine 2 games (UT 2003/2004).

[versed merlin]

do you NEED to reboot the machine?

[cinder wind]

I just restart the service

[grizzled bobcat]

what's the name of the service ?

[versed merlin]

oh, god.

[quick mist]

zomgcore: theology dumped

[versed merlin]

[grizzled bobcat]

i'm trying to restart

[fossil sinew]

From our personal testing, 6gb is the minimum. You can start a server on 4gb but you cant really play on a server with that amount.

[grizzled bobcat]

damn i couldn't load the save :/

i added it manually and couldn't figure it out

it keeps loading the fresh new game

[slim spoke]

i already know this .. i was just saying in here one of the dedi devs said as reply to min ram .. 6gb is good min ram amount so far

cause i seen the chat about it and it comes up alot

good to know dev said and it should still be searchable .. its not just opinion from people .. cause u say 6 people think/say ok so 4 should be good for now unless the devs say different

so we got a stop point from dev for now

speedfragger, did u check the wiki lately it seems to be updated with some info

i havent tried changing or loading session names yet

[alpine relic]

Is there gracefully quit command using CLI?

I wanna periodically save game and quit/restart on my linux server.

[boreal flame]

Do you need graceful shutdown? The save should be everything the server needs to continue, I can't imagine there's any reason to worry about corrupt files or broken state.

[keen orchid]

the server seems to do an auto restart every 24 hours

[hidden rock]

Yes

Thats to reduce any buildup of errors

Or something similar

[keen orchid]

sounds about right

there is only a steam server for now

but you dont need to own it on steam to run a steam server

i think you can... but the server would still need to run on steam

[alpine relic]

Is there any way to set the interval or time?

[hidden rock]

Afaik no. You can restart your server manually before the 24 h

[alpine relic]

If I restart the server manually, does it reset the restarting schedule?

[hidden rock]

But at / after 24 h , it needs to restart

[slim spoke]

yes

just up a scheduler

[alpine relic]

k, thx

[slim spoke]

script to send ssh .. could save exit and launch .. .or app could restart for downed server after script does its thing

then schedule windows or wahtever to hit that script for u

[alpine relic]

I wonder when I quit the game program, will it save the current game?

[slim spoke]

check setting for server

there is option for save when person exits

[alpine relic]

I mean kill the program

[slim spoke]

it might not save if u say exit .. im not sure without testing it

but there is save cmd u just send that first then exit

[crystal eagle]

Guys atm only 4 players on dedicated servers?

[slim spoke]

and iether launch from cmd or let app do it

yes

but u can change it

seearch here for how to increase player

its just the ini u need in right folder

and make sure the maxplayer section is first section in the ini

[crystal eagle]

Game.ini right

[slim spoke]

think so do a search of what i said

it will find a paste i posted of the info from someone

[crystal eagle]

Thanks

[alpine relic]

i see, thx

[slim spoke]

cheers

also that search if u go back will find other peoples posts about it incase that one isnt making sense

yw hmqgg

[alpine dawn]

anyone having issues with noblisk on dedicated servers?

[slim spoke]

problem throwing it?

[warped valve]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/617f0876831c852052357f23

[alpine dawn]

yeah

[slim spoke]

ya thats a know bug

[alpine dawn]

cool

I managed to get it to glitch enough to kill off a bunch of gas plants

lmao

but its pretty unusable

found that if you put enough arc on the throw they do indeed throw

but yeah its buggy

[warped valve]

is there a fixed release cycle for exp. or does coffeestain release bugs when ready?

[slim spoke]

they release patches as they are ready to

they dont hold and wait for a day/time

[upbeat pendant]

Any 1 having a bug with the train and truck stop not wanting to unload on there servers?

[slim spoke]

yes known bug

should be another patch maybe today ... on stream they were saying it was in the works

but build server was taking the day off so hopefully soon

[alpine dawn]

I will be extremely happy if I come home tomorrow from work and find patches for some of the more obnoxious issues

[slim spoke]

yup yup

[alpine dawn]

For now it's bedtime

[slim spoke]

l8r

[austere yoke]

Error help me?

steamclient.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[S_API] SteamAPI_Init(): Loaded '/home/container/.steam/sdk64/steamclient.so' OK. (First tried local 'steamclient.so')

[main void]

Looks fine to me

If you are having problems it will be related to something else

[slim spoke]

yup 2nd line says the api loaded what was needed

[austere yoke]

I connect to the server but after 1 2 seconds it disconnects from the server.

[slim spoke]

check your ports

port forwards

1 sec ill look which

15000 Beacon Port

beacon should keep on u the server

[austere yoke]

I tried it didn't work

[slim spoke]

still say its port

cause ur joining so 15777 works and 7777 if ur getting data

then last would be beacon which if not working will do that

and ur having nat detection failed

so maybe that port is already in use or something in tcp

15000

thats my guess at it 🙂

do you have ipv6 or some serious nat setup.. server isnt doing ipv6 yet far as i know so u might need to bind to the ipv4 ip on the dedi server for either one

-multihome <ip address> Bind the server process to a specific IP address rather than all available interfaces -multihome=192.168.1.4

[hoary ridge]

im trying to join someones server and its supposed to ask me for password but its not im getting this error, any ideas

is it possible for me to connect via session ID instead

they have ppl who could connect its just me it seems

[trail lichen]

Check if ports are open. If they are open:
restart the server

if that not works:
restart the computer the server is running on

[hoary ridge]

ok thx

[trail lichen]

also did you restart your game?

I discovered that if I have an error with my server and can't connect or it appears offline it is often fixed by restarting the game.

[hoary ridge]

i restarted once

my client is giving the error, ISERVER:NO like it thinks that what im connected to is not the server

not a satisfactory server*

[trail lichen]

never had that error - did you check on Q&A for it?

[hoary ridge]

nah, no point taking it that far until host has a chance to restart server

[rose valley]

I can see your ping is very high. It's a known issue that the timeout window for establishing connections is a little low now and we have bumped that up significantly. That is coming with the next hotfix.

Unfortunately until that point all you can do is wait.

[hot ivy]

Hi there,

When running a dedicated server as a service on Windows, should it respect any program arguments such as '-unattended -log -nosteam'? I've added it as a service via both NSSM and Powershell and neither seems to launch the server with a log window opening up, or working with the other arguments.

[rose valley]

That's just confusing wording. The client is in fact referring to itself as not being the server.

[hoary ridge]

ok thanks

[hoary ridge]

i can pm to let you know if the hotfix fixes this issue if u like

[rose valley]

I would appreciate a ping in this channel so that others may be kept in the loop too.

[lofty latch]

Did we end up with the patch they mentioned in the stream yet?

[rose valley]

Keep an eye on #patch-notes

[lofty latch]

👍

[velvet abyss]

biggest hope for the next patch is signs being fixed

[hidden rock]

That and trucks

Hmm.... Wonder if i should also get a dedicated server and see how many automated factory carts it takes to crash one

[velvet abyss]

oh, and trains

signs, and trains

[proper wedge]

Got trains working on dedi, had to build the trains in single player first and verify they were working, and then moved the save back to the dedi and as long as nothing is touched so far they are working.

[velvet abyss]

i saw that comment and tried it and i didn't have any luck with it

[trail lichen]

I wonder how some ppl get so many votes in Q&A - well...

[trail lichen]

good luck 😄

[velvet abyss]

loaded sp and it didn't work, replaced station and it didn't work, then i couldn't interact with the station at all, then i just gave up

[proper wedge]

You have to delete everything, even the rail, put 1 empty platform before the station, and the followed by freight platforms, dont put rails down for it to replace. that seems to break it for now.

idk how else to describe it, but this worked for me.

[austere yoke]

I login to the server but when I press server management the game crashes

All ports are open

[lofty latch]

are you using an existing save or a new one?

[austere yoke]

New one

[rose valley]

@austere yoke, please don't DM to ask for help. Ask it here. Some of the members here may have been where you are too. If you fail to find a solution with the community, please report your issue to https://questions.satisfactory.com

More detailed information ( client logs ) would help use pin point what is going wrong more quickly.

[lofty latch]

I'm surprised you even have DMs open to people who aren't added as friends

[trail lichen]

start a new game solo and save it, put that save into the save folder of the server - and don't forget to type in the session name

[rose valley]

It's my inexperience with the platform. Lemme fix that up real quick.

[lofty latch]

Mine are locked down, you can't even add me as a friend unless I add someone first

[hollow pine]

Hi,

2 days ago, for unkown reasons our dedicated windows server crashed. Since then, we can't load our save to the server, they're still there and we did a backup but the server won't recognize it and ask to create a new game. I tried to do a new game and see if the save would load but nope. Anyone who experienced it ? Thanks

(I did some research and it's too fresh to have online answers so here is my last attempt x))

[warm swallow]

How do you launch it from PS?

I tried & ".\FactoryServer.exe" -log and got the log window

[cinder wind]

I don't think you need .\ on windows

[heady notch]

.\ mean acutal directory

[crystal eagle]

Guys is there a config file which have the players id’s so I can delete players? Or there is a command to boot players or something? The reason is I have logged in with both steam and epic but on steam I have connected in with admin and client so that is taking two of the four slots

[ember thunder]

i think you need it in powershell

[heady notch]

for CMD too ...

[ember thunder]

i launch it like this for PS .\FactoryServer.exe -log -unattended

[heady notch]

The call operator (&) allows you to execute a command, script or function.

When you have only that one line its OK. But when you have more, the other will never execute without &

I have see that in the LOG when changing a sign then at the end its = flase and not false. Maybe a problem?

Maybe that why the sign not saved.

But its only a supposition.

[warm swallow]

It's either full path or .\ and I am lazy

[viral surge]

I´ve been searching the .ini Files for a max. player value, but there isn´t anything like that. Is it currently not limited to 4 players ?

[cinder wind]

They recommend 4 max, but you can have more

[warm swallow]

Yea think Jace said in a video that 1-4 is supported and 4+ is basically glhf

[viral surge]

Yea I saw that as well, but there are some bandwith values in the .ini files, so maybe I play around with them once the server issues are ironed out a bit, thx

[cinder wind]

We should be getting a lot more control for servers before they're launched for EA. They're pretty primitive right now.

[crude tapir]

We have had 4 pretty much online all night, every night. Things can definitely get buggy, especially if you're all near one another or building within line of site of one another, at the same time. However, it has been fun as hell, and this game was already crack, now it's just crack with friends!

[vocal jungle]

player would need to make the same changes to there ini for that to work

[cinder wind]

What's your RAM usage and CPU load with all 4 playing?

[crude tapir]

I host with a service. Loads are like 7%

We are about to unlock trains on our server, but they are still super buggy / possibly non operational, correct?

[foggy agate]

yes

[rich ember]

is it known that signs reset on the server? i set a sign, disconnect myself and join back and the sign has been resetted, i dont care but just want to know if someone else knows figured this out ^^

[unique spoke]

Yep

[nimble ibex]

We have been steady around 3GHz and 7.3G RAM with 2-3 players

i think the processor is my limit as it is seems to be only single treaded. (one of my cores is maxed 100% and the others are quiet)

does anyone know a way to make it use more than one thread?

[lofty latch]

it does use more than one thread

[foggy agate]

there is no way to make it multi thread... but it uses more then one core in my experience.

[subtle sundial]

try -USEALLAVAILABLECORES in launch args

[lofty latch]

lol

[subtle sundial]

idk if it does anything, but it's a valid option in client

[lofty latch]

you should watch the most recent stream, they covered multithreading

[nimble ibex]

I gave it a shot but didnt see a change. My 2nd core is getting roasted. 🙂

[lofty latch]

short version is that it does use multithreading, but there's a limit to it because it relies on the main game loop for a lot of things

[nimble ibex]

well 1 out of the 8 is getting cooked.

[versed merlin]

hmmm…. I’m not seeing anything in the wiki for this, but that doesn’t mean it ain’t there :D. Anyone figure out how to remove guest players from the server, from an imported save file? Got a few guest pioneers sitting around sipping their coffee. :D. is this a save editor kinda thing?

Or can I just “server.kickplayer Guestxxxxxx” and go on about the business of exploiting nature for Ficsit?

[velvet abyss]

you can kill them but i don't know if they respawn without the person rejoining

[versed merlin]

They’re from where the clients logged out in the save file, while the save file was still on a client machine before being moved to the dedicated server. so the same players have been joining, but their ghosts are still on coffee break.

I mean, it is like a transporter accident and suddenly everyone’s got a doppelgänger 😄

[velvet abyss]

ya the little sitting dudes. you can bash their head in to get the model to go away

[versed merlin]

Sweet. I’ll see what I can do. I’ll head off to the UE server side of things and see if there’s some commands I can try. If there’s one that works, I’ll add it to the WIki.

[plush iris]

is there anyone else experiencing random server reboots when trying to shoot with a rebar gun?

i can craft the gun and reload without any problems but when i try to aim/shoot, the server just crashes ant reboots itself

[velvet abyss]

Yes it’s bugged. You can’t use it right now

[plush iris]

okay thanks 🙂 do the devs know?

[velvet abyss]

Yeah it’s listed on the site

[grizzled bear]

Anyone else having a weird behavior with the Hoverpack where sometimes after you crouch jump it sends you to max height?

[vocal jungle]

that always happen to me

[grizzled bear]

OK glad it's not just me. I can't figure out if it's something I'm doing, if it's intended or if it's a bug

[vocal jungle]

its not related to dedicated servers it always been a thing

[grizzled bear]

Ah gotcha. This is the first time I've gotten to Hoverpacks haha hadn't played much since U3

[vocal jungle]

i find it happen if i hit a menu or when middle clicking

[nimble ibex]

Ok so I watched the stream video to get info on the CPU issue. You were right it is a game loop thread issue. The CPU I am using is a I7 but each core is only 2GHz. So the game loop can only have up to 2GHz. I guess I need to find a faster CPU for the server. 🙂

[foggy agate]

wich Gen do you use?

[nimble ibex]

I was hoping to offload the processing to an older laptop. So we would have to keep the gaming rig on 24/7. But now I know why that wont work 😦

it had a 2630QM

[foggy agate]

oh yeah this prob won't work 😄

[nimble ibex]

if the game loop could use all the procs it would have but I didn't know about that limitation

[foggy agate]

but you should look for a CPU with a IPC (Instructions per Cycle) that means if a CPU can do one Task per Cycle you have 1 * 10^9 Instructions every secound, but if the CPU can handle 2 Tasks per cycle you basicly double your performance by using the same power and clock cycle...

[safe haven]

A little slower but I run my server on an i5 2500k without issue.

My thought process is, what the server's doing used to be done on our own machines. And the same thread used for processing the server's event loop was probably also handling thread delegation and part of the render pipeline, networking, etc.
So it feels like a cpu half as powerful as say a 4th gen i5 should still be capable of running the server, no?

[nimble ibex]

the 2500k is double the GHz/core over what I tried so that would work a lot better.

[safe haven]

The 2630QM is ~45% slower than a 4690K in single-threaded performance.
Based on what I said above, unless the laptop's throttling and can't make use of its full boost frequency, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Assuming you don't hit other limitations like available memory (Probably want 8GB in there), or disk performance (SSD pls).

There are other reasons you might not want to run a server right now like the sheer amount of bugs.

[safe haven]

IPS is best measure. IPC is only part of the equation.

[foggy agate]

but its the most effective part of the equation, because its build into the CPU design....

[safe haven]

Indeed. My CPU has such a high IPC.. but it performs like crap because it overheats and runs at 1.2GHz.

But it's high IPC so it must be good right?!

Long and the short, high IPC means nothing without some clock speed behind it.

[nimble ibex]

the laptop I was using had 16G ram and a nice SSD the cpu is the limiter

my plan is to find a replacement with an i5 with 3.x GHz and try to get turbo working on this old laptop in the meantime

[heady fossil]

wait, in order to create a dedicated server, do I need to buy a game in steam?

[quick mist]

no

The server is freely available to anyone

[heady fossil]

Why does it run only from Steam?

[quick mist]

CSS is still working with Epic to get the server onto the EGS

the Wiki has directions for how you can get the game from Steam regardless of whether you own the game there

See this channel's pins for directions

[steel osprey]

Where is the problem, to dl it from steam?

[steel osprey]

i see no problem

[heady fossil]

LogOnline: Warning: STEAM: Failed to initialize Steam, this could be due to a Steam server and client running on the same machine. Try running with -NOSTEAM on the cmdline to disable.
LogOnline: Display: STEAM: OnlineSubsystemSteam::Shutdown()
LogOnline: Warning: STEAM: Steam API failed to initialize!
LogOnline: Display: STEAM: OnlineSubsystemSteam::Shutdown()
LogOnline: OSS: Unable to create OnlineSubsystem module STEAM
LogOnline: OSS: TryLoadSubsystemAndSetDefault: Loaded subsystem for module [EOS]
LogOnline: OSS: Creating online subsystem instance for: STEAM

in which cmdline should I enter -NOSTEAM?

[steel osprey]

the error is clear

[heady notch]

in the cmd that start the server

[heady fossil]

what if i run from windows?

[heady notch]

.\FactoryServer.exe -log -unattended -NOSTEAM

that is from Windows

[slender idol]

That error is normal as the steam subsystem isn't used at present.

or if it is, not used to get server queries like it normally would.

I spent god knows how long doing the standard troubleshooting for that error (which means it doesn't appear in steam) until I thought to just try to connect to the server. Head was in my hands for a while...

[warped osprey]

Anyone having issues with the Conveyor Lift Belt Hole ?

Can't put the second lift below as it tells me another similar build is in place, which is logic as there's a second lift above to get items out

[steel osprey]

See Bugreports. But it should be fixed internally

hope patch comes

[open current]

HI all

looking to work out how i got stuck in a train and booted me from the game and when i log back in i am a new player

[quick mist]

That's a known bug

it will happen if you get disconnected while in any vehicle

[hidden rock]

I just now noticed that Ghoti is this memey way you can possibly spell "fish" and ONLY NOW do i get your pfp xd

[quick mist]

You get a gold star! not many get it (:

[hidden rock]

Thanks Tom Scott

[pallid atlas]

Hey there, i've got a bug to report: When using the Spiked Rebar the dedicated server will crash with the error message SIGSERV. Detailed:

[quick mist]

Using the Rebar Gun is known to crash the server quite reliably, and will hopefully be fixed in the next patch

[pallid atlas]

Nice

[quick mist]

the QA site shows it to be 'fixed internally'

[lavish cliff]

Thank god

[quick mist]

personally I'd thank the devs but you do you (:

[steel osprey]

you can see all fixes here:
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/latest

[devout dune]

where does the server leave the logs on linux?

[lavish cliff]

Yes I know this, I just haven’t checked in a few days lol

[lavish cliff]

Depends, how are you running it, as a service?

[devout dune]

yes

[quick mist]

For the logs, look in the main install dir, in FactoryGame/Saved/Logs if memory serves

[lavish cliff]

journalctl -xefu satisfactory (or whatever you named the service file)

I’d pipe that into lnav for easy viewing

[devout dune]

can I grep this?

ok that answers

[lavish cliff]

You can yes

[quick mist]

if you can pipe it you can grep it (:

[lavish cliff]

I prefer to pipe into lnav, that journalctl command will tail it too, so if it’s running you can see it live, lnav just makes it easier to scroll, search, etc

[quick mist]

(my last car had a bumper sticker on it that said: sed|awk 20[0-9]{2} -- Together we can do anything!)

[lavish cliff]

lol

[devout dune]

what does this do?

[quick mist]

it gives a laugh to those who know. sed and awk are incredibly powerful text manipulation tools

[lavish cliff]

Search it, or run it, your choice

[quick mist]

(it's not an actual command, it was a spoof of US presidential campaign stickers. "Cheddar|Monterey Jack 2028: Make America Grate Again!")

[lavish cliff]

lol

[crystal eagle]

Can I migrate server files from steam server to a steamcmd server?

[quick mist]

yep

all you should need to do is set up the new server, claim it, and set up the same Session Name and you should be able to load the save file right away

[crystal eagle]

I just copy the SatisfactoryDedicatedServer folder to the one in steamcmd?

[quick mist]

naturally shut down the old server first

no, use SteamCMD to re-download it as though it's a new install

if you want to install it to the same place, remove the old one first

the save files are in a different place from the server itself so you'll be fine

(for those wondering yesterday why the saves were in a different spot-- this is exactly why! (: )

[crystal eagle]

Oh so i shut down the steam one and run the other, claim it and it should load the saves then, is that right?

[quick mist]

just so!

[crystal eagle]

Its saved in a different place

[quick mist]

that makes your life even easier (:

[crystal eagle]

cool thanks

[dusty ermine]

Does anyone know hos to fix this?

[viral wraith]

looks fine

[quick mist]

nothing to fix, that is an ignorable warning

there are other warnings you can ignore like the ones about the Epic Overlay and whatnot

[dusty ermine]

But shouldn’t it open the experimental version?

[quick mist]

I don't understand the question

[viral wraith]

what?

it doesnt launch the game

[quick mist]

the only available dedicated server is for the Experimental build

[viral wraith]

its just a server

[dusty ermine]

Ok ty

[crystal eagle]

happened to me i was knocking my head against the wall till i figured out how to port forward

[quick mist]

there is an overview of which ports to forward in the wiki (see the pins)

[dusty ermine]

But i already did 15000, 15777 and 7777

[quick mist]

for details on how to forward, consult your router's documentation

double-check that you are forwarding the UDP ports and not the TCP ports.

[crystal eagle]

ok now add server with your external ip address

[quick mist]

(forwarding both is fine but you must forward UDP)

[crystal eagle]

exactly

[dusty ermine]

Oh… i didn’t

[crystal eagle]

not tcp

[hushed lance]

Am i the only one going crazy about this "Bug fix" that is coming out?

[safe haven]

Hm?

[crystal eagle]

I need help please, I migrated to steamcmd server, it is working fine was able to connect and play, now, closed epic and steam where the server is running and moved over to my main pc now both steam and epic says 'Continued without multiplayer' could this issue be due having both games on both pc's?

[hushed lance]

I what this bug fix update to come out now. I hope it fixes alot of stuff that is broken

[safe haven]

Ah, yes. I've been checking back daily to see when the next patch is released, as exploring without explosives is a little more annoying.

[hushed lance]

I what Trains to work more then anything right now.

[round basin]

Hey. Sorry for the (probably already ansered) question... I own Satis on Epic. Now i want to make a server for my dudes to play with me... Do i have to own the Steam version to make a Server?

[hushed lance]

no

[round basin]

is there a tutorial where i can read how to get the server version with epic?

[quick mist]

No, but that's okay

you can get the server from SteamCMD without owning it on Steam

[round basin]

Im not very good at this stuff. sorry.

[quick mist]

instructions are in the Wiki

see the pins

[hushed lance]

They Wiki in the channel

[round basin]

oh cool. i will try to read and understand it 😄 thanks

[quick mist]

good luck - and we're here to help if you get stuck (:

[round basin]

👍🏻

[devout dune]

fix what? looks fine

[open current]

fun programming splitters kills the server

[alpine dawn]

lol

most advanced things seem to be causing issues for the server at present

[sacred peak]

does the railgun crahs the server

[alpine dawn]

rebar gun?

yes

[sacred peak]

rail gun

[quick mist]

using a train track as a projectile launcher is prone to cause crashes now that they're implemented, yes

[alpine dawn]

lmao, if it flys or explodes it seems to cause issues

[open ridge]

Hey guys 👋
I'm having some brainfarts over here trying to set up a server for my existing satisfactory world. I have a game server hosted by LogicServers. But I cannot manage to set it all up using the satisfactory wiki on dedicated servers. What exactly do i have to do on the server side and then on my client side?
Any tips?

[quick mist]

is your hosting provider giving you a complete host to set up, or are they providing just access specifically to a Satisfactory server instance?

[open ridge]

specifically for satisfactory

so from my understanding the server .exe is running already

[quick mist]

in that case, all you should need to do is make sure you have the Experimental branch for your game client, and from the Main Menu, to go Server Manager on the left

once there, you should see an Add Server button. Click it

In the dialog, enter the address and port (if you got one) from your provider, and you should be off to the races

[open ridge]

I've done all that. And in the serverlogs i can see that there is a connection from my side. But the thing is I can not manage to get in to my save file. It always says in the server manager that i have to create a game or load a game. But when i click on "Manage Saves" it says "Under Construction"

[quick mist]

okay, got you

[open ridge]

Do I have to upload my savefile to the server or should it pull it from me locally

[quick mist]

before you can import a save, you have to have the server start a new game and have it running

once it is you should be albe to upload the save through your hosting service

make a note of the Session Name for the save

once the save file is in place, set that Session Name in Server Settings, and the go to Load Game and you should see the save ready to load

[open ridge]

ohh okay

[quick mist]

once you do the server will after a moment kick you out

once you reconnect, that save should be loaded

[open ridge]

okay I'll try that

It worked! Thanks very much!

[devout dune]

looking for a keyword in logs when someone disconnects, but apparently the server does not give a shit and it doesn't log anything

anybody found the same?

where can we give them feedback?

[quick mist]

The server logs quite a bit actually, incluiding both connects and disconnects

look for the magic words 'closing connection' or 'connection accepted'

or 'Join succeeded`

[devout dune]

no results

the only thing I saw is Join succeded but I knew that before you said it

[quick mist]

try with grep -i

[devout dune]

found it, ty

[quick mist]

better yet, start tailing the log into a capture file, and connect and disconnect a few times, then review. Glad to've helped! (:

[devout dune]

I can review it in real time, I'm alone atm

but it'd be cool to tail the logs and filter them only a file

[quick mist]

and yes, the logs do a lot of logging, I imagine when it gets closer to production they'll take out and make more-readable some of the debug-level stuff we're seeing now

[devout dune]

for example to only have connects and disconnects

[quick mist]

you can

[devout dune]

that'd be a dream

[quick mist]

tail -F file | grep -E 'this|that|the other'

[devout dune]

would like to set it up automatically

but I'll have to learn further into linux services for that

[wild herald]

Hi ive lost the connection to the server while i was in dead screen. After rejoining I saw MY dead body and revived him and now hes sitting there like an offline player.