dedicated-servers

[vapid bridge]

let me know how it runs when you do it like that, (I'm genuinly trying to help you 🙂 )

I wanted to ask, when running a dedicated server, is there a way to keep the tutorials from the "single player" game?

[rare grove]

I just did an actual system restart (because hadnt done that in a while either) so its taking longer than it normally would

[rare grove]

What do you mean?

[vapid bridge]

another suggestion I was going to suggest you was, why not take a server in G-Portal?

[vapid bridge]

when my friends connect to my server the game is very stand alone, there is no starting tutorial for them

[rare grove]

Oh yeah no everything is shared so your progress in the story is shared. I would suggest them to do a brief run through in a single player world

[rare grove]

I see no specs there and I dont really want to pay for something where i dont know what I am paying for

Plus I use the VPS for other odds and ends when I need a linux server

[vapid bridge]

thats the benefit of gportal, you dont need to worry about specs, the game server will run with optimal performance.

[rare grove]

I just generally dont trust that in all honesty but setting the CPU to a lower usage doesnt appear to have made much if any difference

[vapid bridge]

I used to run a 50 people SCUMM Server and it worked great... with Gportal and was fairly cheap to cover.

[rare grove]

To each their own I just personally dont trust it

[vapid bridge]

is there a particular reason why? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

well anyways, did you change the CPU Limit?

[rare grove]

Like I said mostly just don't know what I am paying for
Also yes I did we are running a lot better now. Not sure if it was limiting the CPU or system restart that helped but it feels a lot better so 🎉

[vapid bridge]

so the reason it was failing before is that when you run "unlimited" cpu limit, it just uses all the threads instead of some, so you dont have processing power left. By using cpu limits then you still have threads for processing that arent consumed by the server.

[stable spear]

Thanks for the help. I was able to pull a save that looks to be stable from 5 minutes before the crash. Hopefully I can get it restarted off of that. I think we may need more ram though 😂

[rare grove]

I mean but the CPU usage of the whole server was only 25% so I don't know if that is necessarily true in this case but I do know what you are talking about.

[vapid bridge]

I have been running a game server manager for over 3 yrs and I have never had a problem, I have like 20 game servers running and I never have issues with my game servers like you were having. You also need to learn to trust people who have more experience because you have trust issues that you need to work on if you are coming to request advice.

just saying.

glad its working better for you

[rare grove]

What specs are the server that you are running?

[vapid bridge]

Well it depends, my baremetal?

[rare grove]

Yes

[vapid bridge]

sigh the bot here removed my post because it had one link (super dumb) so let me rewrite my text...

[rare grove]

Rip

[vapid bridge]

I have Dell T430 with 484 GB of Ram and 100TB of storage. On top of that I have Proxmox where I run different vm's for a ton of things... one of those vm's is 256gb and 1tb for Debian 12 and there I run a fork of Pterodactyl called Jexactyl.

I paid like $300 for the server and spent like $250 in ram, and about $300 in Storage.

I have it connected to a 1 Gigabit connection and I use cloudflare for tunnels so all is safe behind CF.

One of the servers I run in Proxmox is a Firewall so I do all the port forwarding there

this architecture is my "home lab" I'm currently building a newer server that is going to have way more ram and storage for Development of Large Language Models.

[rare grove]

Well yeah you have no issues you have machine to throw at games for days. I however do not

You still have to port forward to that Proxmox server to start with

[vapid bridge]

when "I first started I had, a regular gaming pc, with 64gb of ram, running windows, and using a GSM called Windows GSM it worked out pretty good for hosting one or two game servers to play with friends...

[rare grove]

Thats fair

[vapid bridge]

well my setup is a little bit more advanced, but I have a separate firewall that takes care of the port forwarding...

However

that is easily done with one server

even a raspberry py can do it

[rare grove]

Yes but you need to have access to your network to actually direct traffic to those firewalls is what I am getting at

That is out of the picture for me being in an apartment.

[vapid bridge]

i mean I live in an apartment too

[rare grove]

*my apartment

[vapid bridge]

don't you have access to your internet router box?

[rare grove]

No I do not

[vapid bridge]

where do you get your internet from?

[rare grove]

The complex has the internet network

[vapid bridge]

are you in the US or Europe?

[rare grove]

US

[vapid bridge]

i have never seen that setuop

[rare grove]

Its pretty frequent

[vapid bridge]

even if the pipe goes to the distribution line of the apartment it still goes to your router

and you can get access to your router

[opal cove]

not super frequent, but not uncommon. probably more common in student housing

[vapid bridge]

I dont portforward from my router btw

[rare grove]

You still need to direct the connection somehow

[rare grove]

fair

[vapid bridge]

@rare grove are you in student housing?

[rare grove]

No I am not

[vapid bridge]

ok my internet box, connects to a wan port, where it goes into the firewall, where I route the ports to the other servers.. Idon't manage my port forwarding from the internet router

INTERNET Router Modem > Firewall > Servers > Proxmox etc.

[opal cove]

could always use something like cloudflare tunnel, or even get your friends to set up wiregard and run it over that. no port forwarding necessary. but it does make it more annoying

[rare grove]

Thats still directing the connection

[vapid bridge]

yeah this is what i use precisely

[vapid bridge]

you are not understanding

[rare grove]

I could or i could just continue using the vps i have currently

[opal cove]

for sure

most people dont want to do that 🙂

[rare grove]

I am understanding and i am telling you i can not physically do that which is what you suggested previously

[vapid bridge]

i mean you can, but in the longrun what you are trying to do it would be cheaper to run it on a local computer. Or gwet a g-portal account

[opal cove]

cheap is relative and not always the primary goal

[vapid bridge]

its whatever

[rare grove]

I agree it would be cheaper to run it on my own computer long term but at the moment not physically possible so there is not point in thinking about it also for gportal is basically the same price that i pay but i know what i am paying for

[vapid bridge]

its different because they manage the hardware you just take care of the game server.

and it results in cheaper

so its not the same you are paying...

[vapid bridge]

i mean it is if you need to add more performance to a vps that will cost a shitload of money

[rare grove]

Alright you know i will trust your word on that and not go find out for myself

[opal cove]

not necessarily

[vapid bridge]

well in the cointext of this conversation it is.

[opal cove]

mine is in azure, if i needed a beefier cpu it would add a few dollars

[rare grove]

Not really when your suggestions are throw money at something that you dont know what you are paying for or setup a system that is not possible to set up

[rare grove]

Fair

[vapid bridge]

eh you dont need to worry about what you are paying for as long as the game server runs... and runs optimally.

[rare grove]

I like to know what my money is going towards and if i am paying $16 for 4gb of ram I would rather not do that

[vapid bridge]

ok

well like I said you do you.

have a good night, I'm going to sleep.

[deep turret]

if you can't forward anything to your computer :
you do not own your internet connection

1. you lack freedom of internet use
2. you can't secure your personal network

so if you're supposed to own your internet service to at least some extent I suggest you ask to get at least some ports forwarded to you for both TCP and UDP

how are you doing wifi for instance ?
you could bypass that by setting up a tunnel on a cheap but performant vps (only need 500MB of ram, can run on arm Linux)

[lusty fulcrum]

can anyone vouch for some solid server providers for NA east coast? my nitrado server is expiring and i had horrible performance with them once my group was in phase 3 and 4

[neat iris]

budget? I'd get a dedicated server tbh

You get full control of everything (including the OS itself)

[lusty fulcrum]

yeahh thats exactly what I'm looking at. I really only need a month for my buddies to close out our playthrough, so anything up to around $20 USD per month

The last provider we rented a dedicated from had awful CPU that would max out with only one person online. Just looking kinda looking around for a new server host that others have had good experiences with

[neat iris]

Okay maybe not a dedi for that price ngl

I personally have a home server but anyways, try "Indifferent Broccoli"

They offer a free trial before you even give them your money

[lusty fulcrum]

word i'll give them a look

[neat iris]

So load up your save, bring your buddies do a field test and if its all good, give them your money

[lusty fulcrum]

is $20 cheap for satisfactory hosting? i don't really mind going above that, just didn't expect the pricing to be that much higher

oh nah nvm theyre right around that pricerange, ty for the suggestion!

[lusty fulcrum]

oh mybad, i'm just realizing you meant actually getting my own server lmao. ty for the help!

[neat iris]

Well if your budget allows, I would get a dedicated server you have full control of. Basically a whole PC in a datacenter. Just so you can host Satisfactory and a bunch of other games

Obviously not a requirement but a VPS works too

[lusty fulcrum]

Yeahh I can deff see the benefits of that, I'm just looking to do a month or so for my buddies and I to finish out phase 5 in a Co-op playthrough tho. Broccoli looks like it's gunna do the trick assuming the trial goes well

[void gorge]

I just got a second computer left over and decided to start a dedicated server on it. Now I've got a problem. I cant have dedicated server running on the other can and play on my primary computer at the same time. Do I need a second Steam account AND another copy of the game to do this? It used to be fine to run server and game on the same computer. I dont see the legal difference. Its still the same account running the same 2 programs.

[topaz scarab]

server doesn't dep steam

[grave zinc]

here you have tutorial how to do it: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Dedicated_servers.

[void gorge]

Already read that. It says "Launch the Satisfactory Dedicated Server from Steam just like any other game." and that is what I did when I ran server on the same computer I was playing from. Just figured different computers would make it easier and less demanding.

[grave zinc]

do you have steam cmd ?

[void gorge]

I'm not sure what "dep" means. English isnt my primary language.

[topaz scarab]

short for depends on

[void gorge]

Not at the moment. Never needed it since all the setup could be done from within the game but if that path can solve my issue then I'd give it a go.

[topaz scarab]

just run the server exe

[void gorge]

Oh, so you're suggesting I'd simply run it without Steam.

[grave zinc]

in steamcmd you dont need acc with the game to create satisfactory dedicated server

[void gorge]

So more of a CLI solution. I'll try that.

[grave zinc]

yea

[crimson cargo]

Just to give information back:
I switched to indifferent broccoli as host now and close to every problem i had vanished.
Sometimes when i save my Colors in the customizer it lags for 5 seconds but everything else is now finally working.

So we can conclude - Host Unlimited.de is not a good Game Host for Satisfactory( in my experience), it also explains why my other game servers were buggie aswell.

Thank you all for your help 🙂

[rare grove]

Yes i know i dont own my internet thats why i said its controlled and managed by my apartment complex

[granite crystal]

you can use all-in-one https://github.com/asidsx/SatisfactoryPyServerInstaller

[neat iris]

I think it’s also wise to mention, if you don’t have access to your panel, use a vpn if it is just your friends like ZeroTier or Tailscale

No port forwarding and it is also safer

[wraith fog]

do i need to port forward to make a dedicated server?

[topaz scarab]

generally yes

[neat iris]

Yes and No

Yes if you don’t want to tell ur friends to connect to ur VPN. No if you’re okay with telling ur friends to connect to ur vpn

No if your friends are LAN partying inside your network

Also in general, no port forwarding is required to actually make the dedicated server

solutions like Tailscale, Hamachi(but no one uses this anymore), ZeroTier all are good solutions to 0 port forwarding

[wraith fog]

oooo ok nice

[deep turret]

note that setting up zerotier and the like will always be slower than setting up port forward if your isp box/ router is good enough (which it isn't sometimes)

but especially if you are connecting often multiple things and new things with the same persons
zerotier and the like will in the end be more reliable more flexible and faster

but also a bit less secure (there are pros and cons)

[shy forum]

noob here..

just started my own dedicated server and im not at all tech savy.. should there be notifcations showing "notifyingacceptingconnection" from multiple ips even when no one is logged in playing?

[grim mica]

Just means some client is querying the server

If its added to ServerManager, the client is constantly checking status

[shy forum]

okay. thank you. i also looked up some stuff and it doesn't seem like anything abnormal. just got kinda freaked out cuz i'm not using a vpn (only me and 1 friend) and seeing all those IPs after opening up my network and port forwarding made me nervous. lmao feel so dumb.

[grim mica]

Its not a big deal, just 7777 TCP and UDP to the dedicated is exposing only that application

Perhaps there are vulnerabilities on the server side.. but nobody is really attacking game servers from an elevation standpoint

Just dont run the server/service with an 'admin' level cred and should be quite safe

[shy forum]

hmm.. how would i know if I'm doing that or not?

[grim mica]

How are you starting the DS process?

[shy forum]

Steam library

currently on my main pc (because i was just testing to see if i could figure it out)

[grim mica]

It will then run as whatever user is running Steam, so if you are an admin its running as that

[wanton quartz]

can anyone help me setup a dedicated server via a docker with truenas?

[wicked geyser]

Hi all,
i have issues with my late game (Phase 4 near ending) DS and of course we build a lot of stuff. Now in the last days lagging of trains started etc. The assigned CPU core is of course on fire (windows, amd 5600g, SSD, enough RAM).
Are there any performance optimizing suggestions, lowering the tickrate or some .ini stuff i can improve to get a few percent out of it? (networkquality ultra)

[deep turret]

bots probably start to randomly ping servers now
the ip should not be so random
if you want to go out of that a bit you can use an other random port so 7777 does not join your server (but bots may try any ports)
if only you and friend have added it to the game then only these 2 ip should constantly show up
and it's weird it's checking even when not in server manger

[deep turret]

assigned core ? I would recommend refraining pining the game manually

[wicked geyser]

i played around with process lasso, does it help? i don`t know ...

[wanton quartz]

can anyone help me with portforwarding my dedicated server? i can connect locally but the portforwarding is refusing to work

[deep turret]

dont limit it to one core, it will use up to 5-6 burst
also you dont have issues with it going around on your processor

your processor is homogeneous

[round marsh]

explain what you have done, how things are configured, and what you have tried already

[round marsh]

this is unnecessary, just let the processes use however many cores they need

[wanton quartz]

well i am running the server in a docker (https://github.com/wolveix/satisfactory-server) on my truenas scale server. I am able to connect to the ip 192.168.1.65:7777 locally in satisfactory but when i try to portforward this nothing happens.

[round marsh]

👍 post your port forwarding config

[round marsh]

hmm that looks correct. Do you have anything else forwarded to that truenas server?

[wanton quartz]

nope

[round marsh]

I'm also assuming you already confirmed that port 7777 isn't forwarded by any of your other rules

[wanton quartz]

these are all my rules

also the turenas server itself has the ip 192.168.1.64, the docker has .65

[round marsh]

is that Arc server running on the same host? Either way, is it currently working?

[wanton quartz]

uuhm no the arcserver is running on a seperate pc, and i am not sure if it is on as i am renting out that pc to a friend of mine

[round marsh]

no worries, I was more curious if your router was possibly not forwarding traffic for some reason

if you had another service that was working, that'd rule out that issue

[wanton quartz]

hm

i know the remote desktop rule is working

[round marsh]

does it have any kind of firewall settings in the router? I'm wondering if you need to manually open the port in addition to the forward

[opal cove]

when you say locally, does it work from another machine, or is "locally" from the same machine?

[round marsh]

okay tht's good enough

[wanton quartz]

i can also check using canyouseeme.org that the port is open

[wanton quartz]

dont think so, no

[round marsh]

I was assuming another machine since the server is a docker container running on truenas

but fair question

[wanton quartz]

yup

my gaming pc (windows) is connecting to the truenas server

[opal cove]

yeah just double checking, docker can have local networks. just trying to guess at the config there

[wanton quartz]

so seperate boxes

[opal cove]

ok, probably not that then

[round marsh]

ah, have you tried to have a friend connect to it? Someone not in your house

[wanton quartz]

uuhm no

[round marsh]

I'm wondering if this is a hairpinning issue

[wanton quartz]

it is 1 am where i live rn

can you maybe try to connect?

[opal cove]

truenas does have a firewall built in, that could be blocking udp i guess

[wanton quartz]

does it?

[round marsh]

I'm traveling for work and I only have my work macbook with me

[opal cove]

yup

[wanton quartz]

o

sleipnir can you try conecting?

[wanton quartz]

how do i check that?

[opal cove]

sure, dm the ip?

[wanton quartz]

done

[opal cove]

iptables -L -n -v

[wanton quartz]

in the shell?

[opal cove]

yeah, as root

[wanton quartz]

zsh: command not found: iptables

[opal cove]

(or add sudo)

[wanton quartz]

ah sudo works

that is alot of stuff

what am i looking for

[opal cove]

hmm probably easier to just open it. try iptables -I INPUT 1 -p udp --dport 7777 -j ACCEPT

typed from memory so it might be wrong

[wanton quartz]

it didnt give an error

also tcp?

[opal cove]

thts good, sec

well you say the tcp is working, so i assumed itallowed it

but sure doesnt harm

[wanton quartz]

did i?

[wanton quartz]

do i need to like refresh anything after this?

[opal cove]

no

[wanton quartz]

hm

alr i did the commands

[opal cove]

doesnt seem to connect

[wanton quartz]

hm

[opal cove]

alright try sudo tcpdump -X -n port 7777

(this just displays all the network traffic to that port)

[wanton quartz]

yes

alot

alot of udp packets

also sending the name of the server i see

i think

[opal cove]

anything from an ip that starts with 50?

[wanton quartz]

o it was all local trafic i think

OH YES

i see it

[opal cove]

one direction only? or both?

[wanton quartz]

sorry..

uuhm

not sure

i think one directional

[opal cove]

ok so good news is the port forward is working, bad news is something else is still blocking it

[wanton quartz]

it is only from
IP YOURADRESS > 192.168.1.65.7777: UDP, length 13

[round marsh]

@opal cove I've never used truenas but it sounds like they're running k3s behind the scenes: https://www.reddit.com/r/truenas/comments/15mnlin/best_way_to_use_docker_images_in_truenas_scale/ From a few other posts I've seen, they have some odd default config settings.

[opal cove]

yep. let me check something. not super familiar with truenas

k3? k8 ?

[round marsh]

k3

it's a lighter weight version of kubernetes if you haven't run into it before

[opal cove]

first time yeah, i mostly deal in large scale these days 🙂

luxaas try this as well. in case it's blocked on output iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -p udp --sport 7777 -j ACCEPT

[wanton quartz]

alr

i did

lookslike still only one way

[round marsh]

It's useful for certain use cases. Some of our teams use it locally for dev/test. Chick-fil-a runs all of their in-store compute on k3s - their engineering team has a few blog posts if you're interested

[opal cove]

ok, not sure then. it could be any number of issues, not necessarily firewall related. unfortunately i need to go pick up my son

[wanton quartz]

hmmm alright

thank you for the help

[opal cove]

mikecon, thx, ill give it a read later

[round marsh]

@wanton quartz this is likely fixable, but from what I'm reading it's going to be a big pain in the ass. the overwhelming result from what I'm seeing online is "run a <insert linux distro> VM instead and run docker there. truenas sucks for containers"

[thorny wharf]

Hello all I setup a dedicated server for 1.0 on one of my VPS (16GB ram and SSD) the setup went fine went full vanilla no weird configuration, and we connected fine to it and can play the game on it.
However, we are experiencing huge lag spikes (think whole seconds where nothing can happen) and every 20min or so they get so big we get an auto time out.
Is that a known issue with dedicated servers or did I do something wrong ?

[wanton quartz]

hmm

doesnt a vm cause a performance hit tho?

or is it no that bad for linux?

[opal cove]

less than you'd think these days. likely <1%

[round marsh]

probably your VPS host oversubscribing the RAM to your VPS and it's swapping

[wanton quartz]

ah

well

then i should probably do that

it is only a 2200g running the server

but alr

not like it is doing anything else atp

what distro would you recomend?

[round marsh]

@wanton quartz I don't know how much you have invested in truenas, but for a home lab, proxmox is free and great. You can run truenas as a VM on proxmox

[wanton quartz]

not much tbh, is proxmox beginner friendly?

[round marsh]

I'm not a great judge of that - it's been a long time since I've been a beginner. I'd generally say yes. It's really popular on /r/homelab and /r/selfhosted for a reason

[wanton quartz]

hm alright

[round marsh]

I'll tell you it took me about 10 minutes to set up a proxmox install my first time doing it

[wanton quartz]

and then what would you run on the truenas vm? just the nas part?

[round marsh]

you got it

[wanton quartz]

hm

alright

ill look into it

[round marsh]

anything else you want to run (game servers, docker containers, etc.) would run on proxmox

[wanton quartz]

btw for example im also running pihole on truenas, that would then also run on proxmox itself ig?

[round marsh]

@wanton quartz https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/14r3tmt/truenas_on_proxmox_or_just_bare_truenas/

[round marsh]

you got it

[wanton quartz]

alright

[thorny wharf]

You think ? That would be an odd practice for an application ready VPS no ? There is nothing in the server console that would point to a memory issue, how would I go about troubleshooting that

[wanton quartz]

ill do that tommorow, then setup the server. hopefully this time without all the networking problems. thank you so so so much for the help @round marsh and @opal cove

[round marsh]

I doubt you'd see it on your side if that was the case. If you truly mean VPS, they are usually crazy oversubscribed because that market is so low margin

let me DM you a link @wanton quartz

[wanton quartz]

alr

why is github banned

[thorny wharf]

I'm using scaleway Dedibox, I thought from a bit of research that was a decent one 🤔

From my understanding it should be a dedicated server and not a VPS actually

[round marsh]

okay, that's a good thing

linux or windows?

[thorny wharf]

Checked and physical resoures are not shared across users, so that shouldn't be it

[thorny wharf]

linux

[round marsh]

have you taken a look at something like htop when it's really bad?

[thorny wharf]

Nope I've just been looking through console logs looking for out of memory issues and the likes to no avail, will try that thanks 🤔

[solemn monolith]

Hi all. I've been playing on my LAN server running dedicated Satisfactory server on Linux since 1.0 dropped. Suddenly today I can't join the server with this error message. I've restarted both server and clients, ran the steam update command on the server (even though there was no new update), but nothing helps.

I can't find anything related to "entry ticket" in the game settings.

[deep turret]

give more time for your game to start / double check your steam / epic client is online, maybe it is your game doesnt sucees in identifying itself

[solemn monolith]

If I chose "join game" and enter the IP address rather than going server manager -> join, I get a different error

[2024.10.30-00.48.06:422][779]LogNet: Warning: IpConnection_2147458635: No EncryptionToken specified, disconnecting.
[2024.10.30-00.48.06:422][779]LogNet: UNetConnection::SendCloseReason:
[2024.10.30-00.48.06:422][779]LogNet:  - Result=EncryptionTokenMissing, ErrorContext="EncryptionTokenMissing"

Nothing has changed since it last time worked, other than I restarted steam possibly. The server is always running.

[deep turret]

this is not related and expected

[solemn monolith]

Oh interesting. I loaded up a single player world and now I can join my server again. Did not playing in single player for X days cause something to expire?

[rose python]

Server only stays up for my particular client if I'm running Wireshark pcap

[noble sluice]

Proxmox is a hypervisor and it will not resolve anything or make anything easier than bare metal will do.
The only thing that Proxmox will make easier is the ability to download predefined containers (LXC) and run in a virtual environment.
But it's no easier than Hyper-V or other virtualisation program on Windows 11...

[grave zinc]

Hello, I have problem: I placed in my world hosted on my second pc conveyor belt relog and the conveyor belt is not showing but is there, I cant delete it or replace it, but i can stand on it in glitchy way.

[solemn monolith]

I get ghost foundations sometimes. Usually fixes itself after relog/restart (server or client).

[grave zinc]

i did but didnt help

i just came back to base and its fixed

[languid palm]

More people have issue when using deticated server steamcmd that the game not run smooth. When i save the server file and start it local it runs perfect.

Server settings are ryzen 5 3700x
16gb mem
M.2
1000mbit internet connection
Server runs in my 1gbit network
Load on mem is 62% rest is under 10%

[vale parrot]

@wanton quartz and the rest talking about Proxmox and stuff. You are all doing a lot of assumptions trying to talk Luxaas out of using TrueNAS.
TrueNAS scale is based on Debian and has the same hypervisor options as Proxmox (also Debian based) for example, so you will not gain any significant performance switching to Proxmox.
On top of that, TrueNAS has some serious requirements regarding storage (requires direct access to the drives). Although you can run TrueNAS as a VM if you know exactly what you are doing, it's is absolutely not recommended for home-users. It's not a question about if you are losing data, it's about when you are losing data.
If Luxaas is now using TrueNAS as a NAS system with shares, moving that into a VM running on Proxmox makes no sense at all.

Moving to the Satisfactory server part:
TrueNAS Scale has both VM and container virtualization possibilities which work fine. My recommendation would be to leave the "Apps" for container solution as soon as possible since it's discontinued, this solution also requires way more knowledge about the underlying technique (K3s - Kubernetes).
If you want to run containers I would strongly advise you to set up a VM (with a dedicated IP on the network) in TrueNAS and then configure docker in that VM to run the container. This will not impact performance and works the same as running on Proxmox or any other hypervisor.
Also, running the current "Apps" will not have any impact on performance either, it's just added complexity and problems with the next version of TrueNAS.

Excuse the wall of text, but, respectfully, the advice you are given doesn't make sense if you see the whole picture. Feel free to ping me if you have any other question regarding this. You are fine running TrueNAS and switching won't give you anything over what you already have now.

[lunar condor]

So I’m trying to host a 1.0 server on an old PC and using noip aduc for the hostname instead of external IP. I’ve forwarded port 7777 for the box, created firewall rules, and can connect via internal IP but externally it shows as offline when put in Server Manager and shows a UNetConnection error when using the Join Game menu. This happens with both the noip hostname and the external IP. I’ve hosted servers pre 1.0 without issue on this same PC, same ISP and same networking hardware. I even completely wiped the PC and setup everything from scratch. Still running into this issue. Anyone have suggestions? Using a UDM Pro for networking.

Dedicated server was created with SteamCMD, using NSSM to run as a service, and the hosting machine is a Windows 10 PC.

[wanton quartz]

Thank you for the info. Right now I have basically nothing stored on the nas storage so if I would want to switch It would be smart to do it now…

I am also interested in learning more

[deep turret]

make sure your noip setup client run on the server hosting machine and that the forwarding rules target it for both UDP and TCP
also double check you used the official wiki script for opening firewall also for both TCP and UDP on same port on the server hosting machine still

Also if you use commandline launch script I highly recommend you use -multihome=:: argument to make sure it binds fully (because of a current bug in binding)

[lunar condor]

The ADUC client is running as a service on the host machine and I used the official wiki commands. I also tried disabling Windows firewall altogether and still have the same issue. My port forward is set for both protocols, and I've checked that the server is listening on 7777 for :: and 0.0.0.0

[wanton quartz]

As I would be free to switch at this moment, is truenas scale a good OS to start with on the nas? I have some Linux experience mostly from using raspberry pi’s, (and macOS on my laptop) so I am not a complete noob.

[deep turret]

truenas is widely used and is more targeted at NAS use cases than proxmox which is optimized for various virtual environments hosting

[lunar condor]

The PC is in a /30 scope so there's only the one available IP so port forwarding stays consistent

[vale parrot]

The question is, what is your main purpose.
If you want to have a NAS system and do some occasional container hosting on the side, TrueNAS is fine.
If you don't need a NAS system and want to go full on virtualization, then try proxmox, hyper-v, VMware.

[hidden forge]

(Technical two IPs (if you are talking v4))

[wanton quartz]

Well I’m still figuring out the nas part, on how I want to set that. Right now I have a mix match of drive in the pc which isn’t ideal so I haven’t been using it a lot. I do wanna mess around with virtualizion and have a kind of home lab.

[lunar condor]

Yeah, just one available for the PC to pick from.

[deep turret]

yep it's known as p2p networking
net
peer1
peer2
broadcast

[lunar condor]

I just added the command to test and it still won't allow external connections 😦

I'm so confused why it isn't working. I've read so many potential fixes but nothing has worked so far.

[scarlet fox]

We're running into an issue where the server instantly crashes upon deleting items from a blueprint

It seems to be with a specific item in the blueprint being a smart splitter

Cant use blueprint dismantle mode either since that has the same result

[brazen zinc]

Blueprints in MP are buggy as hell in 1.0. Probably delete it in scim

[deep mortar]

So, here's a question for everyone. Is there a way to run command line arguments in the server console after a restart/reboot?

automagically, that is

[grim mica]

Probably.. what commands do you want to run?

[deep mortar]

net.MaxNumberOfAllowedTArrayDeletionsPerUpdate=4096
net.MaxNumberOfAllowedTArrayChangesPerUpdate=4096

actually, for console command, it would be net.MaxNumberOfAllowedTArrayDeletionsPerUpdate 4096

no equal sign

I'd just add it to a config file if I knew where to put it

[grim mica]

Did you search this channel? I had already answered that for someone else

#dedicated-servers message

[deep mortar]

I had a while ago and found the command itself for console use. but It didn't occur to me to search for a follow up

thank you!

that's exactly what I was looking for. Had considered adding it into the engine.ini but wasn't sure where to put it

Also, you were correct. It did seem to require the = signs

@grim mica Should I need to set this on my client end as well anywhere?

[fringe plaza]

heya any fix for running the dedicated server inside containers yet?

i spent a few hours going absolutely insane about it and found a screenshot from apparently this discord saying it's borked and no fix available

i'm not using docker but just normal lxc

running it outside the lxc is not an option sadly

i've double checked all the ports, i'm getting all the packets, but i'm still running into the Server API issue

i dropped the multihome command and it's binding to 0.0.0.0:7777

[vestal ether]

Hey! does anyone know why I have this problem here?

I am getting this "No subscription" error when I try do download an older verison of the game dedicated server

[fringe plaza]

it's just dropping it

[deep turret]

526870 is not satisfactory dedicated server

[vestal ether]

I got it from steamdb

[deep turret]

that is not the dedicated server at least

[fringe plaza]

try 1690800

this should work

[deep mortar]

@fringe plaza Unfortunately, I only have experience with Docker. And that works fine.

[fringe plaza]

apparently docker is broken too? from what i read. the underlying tech is still lxc just without the bloat, how did you get it to work?

running docker is not an option for me

well, i could, but i don't wanna nest containers.

[deep mortar]

Well, i have 1000 hours on my docker server

[fringe plaza]

that's really cool but doesn't solve my issue

[deep mortar]

As for "How" I just use Wolveix docker container for satisfactory

[fringe plaza]

yeah, i got the github page open

[deep mortar]

The only thing I can think of is that the ports changed with 1.0

[fringe plaza]

i don't see how that would work though

[fringe plaza]

did they?

[deep mortar]

yes

[fringe plaza]

it's not in the official docs, they still have the same ports

[deep mortar]

they dropped 15000 and 15777

[fringe plaza]

im not using those

[deep mortar]

Now it's just TCP AND UDP 7777

[fringe plaza]

i'm using 7778 and 7779

[fringe plaza]

i confirmed i can receive packets on 7777 TCP/UDP

[fringe plaza]

they're reaching the container but the server is dropping them

[deep mortar]

There's a screenshot of the Wiki where they talk about it

[trim robin]

ah shit i need 112 copper refinery's how do i math this out xd

[fringe plaza]

also the logs specifically show that the Server API doesn't bind to the correct address

[trim robin]

any tips for placin 112 reinferys for copper xd

[deep mortar]

@pumpkin145 Not sure what you're asking.

[trim robin]

i need 112 reinferys any way to do this easyer then 2 lines

[deep mortar]

@fringe plaza Yeah. Dunno. The only time I ran into the API issue was when i hadn't mapped ports correctly.

[fringe plaza]

it worked fine before the update

i changed nothing about my configuration

and i saw this:

oh lord i'm guessing the docker image does indeed just use the host network mode

[deep mortar]

@trim robin Lets step back and try this again. What are you trying to do/make.

[trim robin]

oh this is wrong channel

my b

[deep mortar]

@fringe plaza I believe you are correct.

[trim robin]

ment to go 1 down to math

[fringe plaza]

i hate docker with a passion, ugh.

i really hope this gets fixed soon

[deep mortar]

It's funny, because I really thought this had been patched a few weeks ago

[fringe plaza]

apparently not!

[deep mortar]

And since I've never used lxc I can't offer much more than what i have already given 😂

[fringe plaza]

well, youre using docker, which is lxc

afaik

just with a lot of bells and whistles

[deep mortar]

I'm relatively new to Docker in general, so I'll take your word for it.

[fringe plaza]

take it with a grain of salt!

[deep mortar]

My wife says I need to eat less sodium... how about sriracha?

[fringe plaza]

im wrong actually

because why not reinvent the wheel while you're at it ✨

[grim mica]

Pretty sure its a server-only setting

[deep mortar]

In their defense... it lets me run Satisfactory 😂

[fringe plaza]

works for me!

[fringe plaza]

yeah but i hate docker for the simple reason that everyone just tells you to use docker and it's near impossible to get support for anything else anymore

[deep mortar]

That's how I feel about portainer

[fringe plaza]

i'm using proxmox as a hypervisor and i'd need to create a lxc container to then install docker inside, which is just too many layers for me

it would work but it's icky

so you're saying you just installed the image and it worked for ya?

[deep mortar]

Yeah. I just downloaded it, used the YAML wolveix suggests and it pretty much just worked out of the box

I've been running his images for about 2 years? i think?

[fringe plaza]

thats how it worked for me before, yea

i just followed the wiki and made a systemd service and the server worked just fine for ages

until 1.0 just borked it

[deep mortar]

Well, the TCP/UDP change hecked up everyone's setups

[fringe plaza]

i'm just trying to host a server for my gf man i don't want much 😭

[noble sluice]

lxc and docker are both fingers but not the same finger...

[fringe plaza]

i did correct myself

they no longer use lxc

[deep mortar]

Right now it feels like the middle finger... 😛

[fringe plaza]

you're getting it!

[deep mortar]

Danke

[fringe plaza]

OMG

I AM SO STUPID

IM RUNNING A TERRARIA SERVER ON 7777 TCP

*dies of death*

[deep mortar]

🤣

[fringe plaza]

not my proudest moment

[deep mortar]

I won't tell anyone if you don't.

[fringe plaza]

i'm a network engineer btw

notwork 😔

[deep mortar]

I like that...

[fringe plaza]

one might even say intern't

[deep mortar]

btw, I enjoy your profile bio. "Not like other girls - worse"

👏

[fringe plaza]

it's true!

[deep mortar]

While Docker and Linux are still relatively new to me, I did Tech support for 20 years and the "I know what I'm doing" has led me to my own downfall on far too many occasions

[fringe plaza]

i do not know what i am doing and i am fully prepared to admit that

[deep mortar]

I have a fun story about 3 hours of troubleshooting a network lab because of a batch of dead monitors only to realize I turned off the power strip.

[fringe plaza]

also thanks ❤️

[fringe plaza]

noone is immune to layer 8 issues 🤣

[deep mortar]

PEBKAC strikes again...

[fringe plaza]

alright quick reboot, let's see...

[deep mortar]

:Crosses fingers and toes:

[fringe plaza]

i am going to cry why DOES IT NOT WORk

[deep mortar]

I have to keep an excel spreadsheet for all my docker shenanigans because 1: I can't always remember whether I made a YML or just used command line - and also because of port mapping

[fringe plaza]

im actually hosting a bookstack instance for that xd

[deep mortar]

oooo

You just introduced something that I might want to add to my server so my wife can store recipes

[fringe plaza]

i have a whole windows domain, two firewalls, several game servers, three webservers behind a reverse proxy, a few assorted containers, and a lot of shitcode i wrote myself all on this hypervisor

ain't no way i'm keeping track

[fringe plaza]

whoa! happy to hear that!

[deep mortar]

I have a RPi running an Omada host controller and a Samba backup server with an AMD box for satisfactory, (used to Terraria - yay tshock) and eventually corekeeper

[fringe plaza]

lmk if you need help setting that up

now let's get back to this GODDAMN SERVER THOUGH

[fringe plaza]

i know a few of these xd

[deep mortar]

I sent you a friend request for harrassment of the technical support variety

And possibly they occasional cat picture

[fringe plaza]

well im getting SOME packets

no tcp though

that's not ideal

[deep mortar]

Which is weird because TCP was the one that was already a thing

so I'd think that one would continue to work

[fringe plaza]

im actually fairly confident it was UDP

ah

tis the terraria server again

may need to reboot the hypervisor

[deep mortar]

The irony of the number of hours terraria has stolen from me, being the reoccurant problem you can't shake is not lost on me

[fringe plaza]

i really do not want to

[deep mortar]

Hah. you and your lengthy uptime + reliable power grid

[fringe plaza]

hetzner my beloved

i probably should restart atp because i gotta be behind a few kernel updates but also i need to manually rdp into like 5 windows boxes and shut them down because well, windows just sucks

and i could also simply not do that

[deep mortar]

That is one thing i love about my debian install

you can yank the power cord on that sumbitch every 10 minutes and it just comes right back up

[fringe plaza]

there's gotta be a way to clear iptables nat rules manually

[fringe plaza]

debian is just so good for servers

not my personal choice for a workstation but so damn stable

[deep mortar]

I use Win 11 for day to day

[fringe plaza]

ah, so you're a masochist

[deep mortar]

but as far as learning server stuff linux seemed like the only real option

look. if it isn't difficult, it isn't fun!

[fringe plaza]

i mean you can totally learn windows servers if you don't feel suicidal enough

i personally just run arch on my workstations, that's enough torture for me

[deep mortar]

I'm a massochist. Not a crackpot.

[fringe plaza]

(i use arch btw)

[deep mortar]

Well... that's not entirely true

[fringe plaza]

you are my kind of person

i recently elected to learn php and because i'm full-send insane i decided to just write a whole website from scratch in laravel

[deep mortar]

In college a friend of mine loaned me one of his spare WinServer 2k keys and I ran that as an OS for a while for my pc...

I don't recommend it

I got visited by the College IT guy with some... questions...

[fringe plaza]

i can imagine

[fringe plaza]

also imagine paying for windows 🤢

[deep mortar]

Yeah. So. Here was my train of thought. "I've been having fun learning Python in my spare time, but I want to write my own webpage on my intranet! So I guess I'll need to learn this thing called flask. And I need an OS to run it on... Linux would look good on my Resume... and Docker containers seem to make setup easy from what the internet claims, YML files can't be -that- hard to write..."

So my first adventure was trying to figure out how to install linux headless

the rest was just ... a journey

[deep mortar]

I try not to. it makes my wallet cry.

[fringe plaza]

hang on i'm currently wrestling with iptables and i'm loosing

[deep mortar]

Sounds like you need a folding chair

[fringe plaza]

i may need a nuclear warhead

so this server has been up for over 200 days

every time i reload the network interface file it doesnt drop old rules but just adds new ones on top

[deep mortar]

eww

[fringe plaza]

i reload it up to like 30 times in one go when debugging

[deep mortar]

if this was windows there are probably some fancy ipconfig dns flush options

just blow out the entire controller

but linux....

I have to google all the network commands....

[fringe plaza]

so do i!

🤣

[deep mortar]

My least favorite part of linux is the myriad of places you can hide automatic settings

what's that? they change if you run them as Sudo?

[fringe plaza]

if it was windows it'd probably be unfixable

[deep mortar]

I was always good at fixing the unfixable

[fringe plaza]

actually there's pretty predetermined places for it

on windows stuff is scattered everywhere and settings are hidden behind 18 layers of UI gore

[deep mortar]

When in doubt, blow it away in device manager

I was in support back in the days when Sony and their ilk would hide viruses on their software CD's to disable burners and the only way to fix them was to manually edit the registry

[fringe plaza]

im currently assembling an absolute warcrime of a shell command

i'm in awe but also really icked out

[deep mortar]

Imagine having to clean that crap

I used to know the reg keys by heart

That and printers...

:shiver:

but yeah. When valve finally convinces nvidia to make a decent linux graphics driver, I may switch my daily driver to linux...

brb. updating my drivers to fix a security vulnerability that is apparently... geforces fault?

[fathom fern]

desktop nixos is where the real torture is

[fringe plaza]

oh god

[fathom fern]

it Stockholm syndromes you so hard that you can't ever try another distro, but it's so painful you pray for lightning to hit you every day

ope this isn't math and meta, I'm not native to this place

[fringe plaza]

50/50 chance this works or bricks my entire network

wait hang on gotta remove the head

ugh

i love bash who doesn't love special character gore

it did in fact not work

OMG I FIXED IT

😭

it worksssssss

[fringe plaza]

that's just arch for me tbh

but it's not quite as painful

[fringe plaza]

that's evil. i love it

[fringe plaza]

how about nvidia just finally dies

AMD is better either way, nvidia only outperforms them because windows has a LOT of hacks specific to them

plus benchmarks are optimized for nvidia

[fringe plaza]

and they don't even, anymore

[deep turret]

how tf you call bash special characters gore when there are regex out there

[fringe plaza]

i mean.

wait, lemme fetch the script

ugh nvm i can't rn but essentially imagine combining both

[deep turret]

#dedicated-servers message you mean that kind of stuff ?

[fringe plaza]

i have a script that needs to run a regex inside containers and basically it's impossible unless you like, drop the commands to be ran into a file to then push into the containers because basically it's IMPOSSIBLE to pass it as an argument to lxc-attach

simply because of how bash works

[deep turret]

when will people finally understand it's impossible to pass fully escaped text in bash

[fringe plaza]

i've started just simply writing stuff in C

[deep turret]

there will need a safe language to replace bash stuff some days

[fringe plaza]

please, not ANOTHER shell 😭

[deep turret]

not an other shell

[fringe plaza]

bash isn't a language though

[deep turret]

just will have a bait fake shell interface shortcut thing so that shell lovers can use it correctly somewhat

[fringe plaza]

you can't "replace" it with a language without massively changing how you interface with your system

[fringe plaza]

that sounds honestly even worse

[deep turret]

it's not because it perform safe well defined reviewable actual script

[fringe plaza]

bash is fine just don't try to do anything reasonably advanced in it

just write it in C or whatever language you prefer

[fringe plaza]

i cannot parse that sentence

[deep turret]

I'm talking task like echo 3 > /sys/proc/vm/drop_caches but in safe language

[fringe plaza]

... a) why

and b)

[deep mortar]

Well. Duh... If the text escapes, how can you pass it along!

you have to catch it first

[deep turret]

go write a c bin just so you can rename anyfile that contain a list of special character

[fringe plaza]

include <stdio.h>

int
main () 
{
    FILE *file = fopen ( "/sys/proc/vm/drop_caches", "w" );
    
    if ( NULL == file ) 
    {
        perror ( "Error opening file" );
        return 1;
    }

    fprintf ( file, "3" );

    fclose ( file );

    return 0;
}

there you go

free of charge

[deep turret]

-# install gcc and devel

"free"

[fringe plaza]

imagine not having that installed

also it's free im not charging you anything

[deep mortar]

Does installing devel require signing over my immortal soul? because there's already a lien

[deep turret]

there are not only desktops outthere you know

[fringe plaza]

what?

what platform has bash but no c compiler

[deep turret]

your isp router

[topaz scarab]

but the license does require you to say "free of charge" out loud every time you run the program

[fringe plaza]

no it just takes like a few mb

[fringe plaza]

what

what fucking router has bash

but no gcc port

also how does that edge case justify replacing how we've interacted with computers forever

[deep turret]

gpl being like

[fringe plaza]

system ( "wall 'free of charge' " );

[deep turret]

disown watch -n5 wall 'free of charge' 2>&1

[fringe plaza]

that'll do it

[deep turret]

how to prevent anyone from ever using terminal

[fringe plaza]

i keep forgetting about watch

i'd just crontab it

[deep turret]

ahahah

echo 'systemd stuff' | sudo tee /etc/systemd/system/free.service && systemctl daemon-reload && systemctl start free

wait did I do piping wrong ?

always forget if pipe first over &&

[fringe plaza]

i think you're gonna need to $() that

$(echo 'systemd stuff' | sudo tee /etc/systemd/system/free.service) && systemctl daemon-reload && systemctl start free

or jus use backticks

if you wanna do it the deprecated way

[deep turret]

$() is for using result in commandline

[fringe plaza]

it also is evaluated first

so that just runs the command first

[deep turret]

but here I dont want result

[fringe plaza]

it's hacky but works!

[deep turret]

result will not be true

notice how bash already got ambiguous in a single line

[fringe plaza]

skill issue

you can only dream of achieving the level of gore i am capable of when coding or scripting

could also just declare it as a function that returns true

[deep turret]

nah I was right

[fringe plaza]

huh

just echo out the correct return value or just save it in a variable then

[deep turret]

that does not work

[fringe plaza]

correct but i fixed it

[fringe plaza]

see

[deep turret]

your disabling the next &&?

oh you right you are not because also echo is in &&

[fringe plaza]

ill grant you are raising a valid issue but you can always just write a lil script and it'll work just fine

you can heredoc it directly into bash too

which is cursed but works

like i'll grant shells are a bit wonky at times but that's not reason to replace the entire concept of it

[deep turret]

if you narrow down eventually "concept of it" to "use case for it" then there are better things to implement

[narrow moon]

So i'm not sure where else to ask for help.
I have an Unraid server with the Satisfactory docker installed. I have the server up and can access it locally no problems. I have also set up a subdomain that routes external traffic to my public IP. I can ping the public IP from external sources but none of my friends can access it. I have port 7777 forwarded on my router. I've seen someone mention opening the port in Unraid but i'm unsure if i've done that. I know the docker is set up for that port.

Any help would be super appreciated.

Also i've set up a Minecraft server the same way and it is accessible from an external network.

[fringe plaza]

haha ive just had this issue myself

i think

[deep turret]

anyway apparently my code was working, | always have precedence in chaining over && and ||

[fringe plaza]

what is your issue

[fringe plaza]

you havent actually said

you cant reach it externally?

you need TCP AND UDP now

[narrow moon]

so i can type in my external IP on my local computer and it will access it. But my friends who are out of my network cannot

[hollow summit]

i was about to say you didnt finish with what the issue was

[fringe plaza]

:D

[deep turret]

did you double check you forward both TCP and UDP ?
if you can select "BOTH" option in your forwarding rule you may have to delete rules about a specific protocol because they could override each others in some router configuration

[narrow moon]

OMG... sorry. lol

yes i cannot reach it from an external network

[hollow summit]

firewall?

[fringe plaza]

yeah the external ip doesnt leave your network boundary from your own PC

you're blocking the connection from outside

make sure 7777 UDP and TCP is forwarded

and ensure it's accessible by using nmap

[narrow moon]

My rule in the router is for both UDP and TCP

[fringe plaza]

if you're insane enough to give me your IP i can see if the ports are open

[narrow moon]

what is nmap and where do i use that? CMD prompt?

[fringe plaza]

correct but on windows you need to enable it first

[deep turret]

tbh using browser to connect on port is more reliable now as it uses http for tcp connection

[fringe plaza]

you can pry my nmap from my cold, dead hands

also what

wym it uses http for tcp connection

[narrow moon]

i've turned it off to test and it didn't matter on my end.

[fringe plaza]

what if you wanna test for UDP?

[deep turret]

satisfcatory dedicated server tcp port ends on a http stack, so to test connection you can use usual browser and watch for the JSON api error response

[hollow summit]

http and tcp are literally different protocols lol

[narrow moon]

you mean my public IP doesn't leave my network?

[hollow summit]

the p in both in the acronyms is literally protocol

[fringe plaza]

not if you're accessing it from inside

[narrow moon]

i'd be glad to send you a dm with it to try if youd like

[fringe plaza]

exactly

[fringe plaza]

sure!

[deep turret]

dont be confused by calling it different protocol, http is on TOP of tcp

I never said they are the same

[fringe plaza]

also correct

[narrow moon]

it says you don't like friends. lol

[fringe plaza]

that may work for satisfactory

[hollow summit]

fair nuff

[fringe plaza]

what

i was literally friended by someone else on here before

[deep turret]

thats what is being tested

[fringe plaza]

wait

[fringe plaza]

well yeah but nmap works for everything :3

[deep turret]

except it used to crash satisfcatory servers :3

and browser does not need special enabling

[hollow summit]

rip

[deep turret]

(ps when trying to perform buggy udp poking

I admit it's a bit of a hollow argument

but it's true that falling back to nmap without context can bite

[fringe plaza]

that's horrifying

[hollow summit]

rip i forgot no links

use an ip checker to re confirm you got the correct external ip

[fringe plaza]

uwu

[topaz scarab]

banned! jk

[fringe plaza]

:D

[deep turret]

or you can use things like api4.ipify.org

for debloated querying

[topaz scarab]

is that a full on guide, link

[hollow summit]

also make sure the port is really open with www.portchecktool .com

just enter the port number to check

[hollow summit]

i have these in my notes handy

better than typing as fast as i can to stay relevant

[fringe plaza]

yeah im not gonna have random-aah websites portscan me when nmap exists

[hollow summit]

well i dont use nmap :3

typical gordon enjoyer

[fringe plaza]

telnet, then

[hollow summit]

telnet good if you know how to do basic cmd stuffs

[fringe plaza]

you can just telnet to a specific port and if you get a shell, it's open

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-time-gif-14813190

:/

[hollow summit]

and im assuming they didnt know that, welcome to the advanced user tier

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471

anybody actually running a server atm?

like public style

[deep mortar]

and let plebs on my server?

nu nu nu nu nu. I am an enlightened player. I only use my server so it can run while I'm at work without heating up my office... 😛

[fringe plaza]

i could host one

[hollow summit]

would be goated

ive spent too many playthroughs solo, i wanna try a collab for 1.0

[fringe plaza]

depends on how many people would play

i've just set up a server for my gf, i'll be playing with her there

if you get a few people together i can whip up a second instance

[hollow summit]

i was thinking of just paying for a hosted to get people to join

[fringe plaza]

im literally paying for a dedi

[hollow summit]

shockbyte?

or another host

[fringe plaza]

hetzner

[hollow summit]

nice

[fringe plaza]

it's not the best, but it runs a LOT of stuff

[hollow summit]

i can see that

lots o memory

[fringe plaza]

.

i'd argue i can spare some processing power

[hollow summit]

and is that 16 cpus?

yup

[fringe plaza]

16 core, yup

[hollow summit]

i may start my own server rack but until then i ill use a pay to host

good value you think?

[fringe plaza]

hetzner imo is by far the best provider

get them from the server auction section

[hollow summit]

do they have a ui or is it cmd line

[fringe plaza]

it's a dedi

that's up to you

[hollow summit]

sweet

[fringe plaza]

you'll get a GUI with the option to install a few preset OSes

[hollow summit]

i like the ui for convenience

[fringe plaza]

or just a shell and an install script

i'm running proxmox, which has a nice web interface but also lets you do everything via cli

basically just install debian bookwork and then slap proxmox on it

[deep mortar]

So, if you have a little money to waste, i found a nice tiny AMD 5700 box on amazon with a bunch of storage options. I just slapped 64gigs of ram into it and a couple of old NVME drives and was off to the races.

[deep turret]

I feel like posting the tape on water tank meme, but I feel it's a bit inappropriate and I dont have the material, but then you see what I mean

[fringe plaza]

heh

you can also install proxmox directly but it's a bit harder to use a custom image

i'd rather advise this way to a beginner but either way there's excellent documentation

https:// community.hetzner.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-proxmox_ve

[topaz scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/flex-tape-gif-10921536

no embeds booo

[fringe plaza]

ikr

[deep mortar]

@grim mica Looks like those lines need to be added to engine.ini in your appdata\local as well

[clear lagoon]

👀 the 3700x is an 8-core cpu with smt

[fringe plaza]

you're raising a valid point

i never bothered to check if they're physical cores because this server is like 10x as powerful as my desktop

my desktop has 3 physical cores. like not even 2 or 4, goddamn three

i guess i know now. Thanks!

[noble sluice]

Just curious what is your CPU again?

[brazen mason]

Hi all, new here. Is anyone running multiple instances of a Linux Satisfactory Dedicated Server on in the same machine and user account? When I started the 2nd instance (with new ports) it wanted to access the ~/.config/Epic folder and caused a whole heap of issues. I haven't found anywhere I can change this directory location in the config files.

[hidden forge]

Sounds like a FX

[fringe plaza]

garbage

i think it's 3 physical, but even if 6 it's insanely cursed

[fringe plaza]

i'm guessing there's a lock on these files

are you using any kind of virtualization or containers?

you totally could use docker (ew) or just lxc containers for each instance

this isn't a port issue at any rate but due to several processes attempting to modify the same files

you can solve this by duplicating these files but im guessing the paths are hardcoded so, containers would be the cleanest solution

[brazen mason]

Thanks for the reply. I solved it by creating a separate user account and and running a new instance of the game, it has a unique ~/.config/Epic location. But this is messy and I don't like it. I was hoping for a cleaner solution. The setup is Proxmox with a VM devoted to game servers.

[fringe plaza]

oh, yeah

🤦🏻‍♀️

[fringe plaza]

omg if you're using proxmox just do lxc

that's literally what im doing

also using a whole VM for a headless server is silly

that's wasted resources, you don't need a whole seperate kernel and all, you're already on debian

if you don't wanna do a firewall VM and connect the containers to that i can show you how to set up containers for that

that IS the cleanest solution and kind of how you're meant to be using proxmox

in fact running several servers in one VM is just icky all around

you should always try to only run one service per server

[hidden forge]

Ah no, thats 6 physical. Just without hyperthreading

[fringe plaza]

idk but that's somehow worse

[hidden forge]

2nd core > hyperthread > single core

[fringe plaza]

i mean it's better ofc but also even more upsetting

6 cores is weird

[hidden forge]

No? Pretty normal actally

[fringe plaza]

let me hate my CPU >:(

it's bad

[hidden forge]

All modern Ryzen 5 are hex-cores
Just with SMT

[fringe plaza]

alright

this is a really old intel CPU though

[hidden forge]

If you need a reason to hate your CPU: its a F version.

[hidden forge]

Only 3 gens behind Intels last good gen

[fringe plaza]

that, too

[fringe plaza]

i hate intel in general xd

[hidden forge]

But more CPU hate should probably happen in #off-topic-tech

[fringe plaza]

if you want any more help with that feel free to add me and shoot me a dm and i'll walk you through how to properly set this up in a cleaner way

[fringe plaza]

fair, fair. in my defense, i didn't initiate the convo :p

[brazen mason]

Thanks for the offer, I considered lxc's but I am hosting a range of VM's, all for different services and purposes. Cluttering up the host OS with direct kernel access for games doesn't sit well, if the host crashes it takes all my VM's with it. So I chose to use VM's everything. I have a R620 so the additional overheads for the VM's is justifiable.

[fringe plaza]

counterpoint; cluttering up the host OS with having to virtualize a seperate kernel for every VM sits even worse

that's just bad practice

containerization is pretty secure and it's not really "direct kernel access" in that sense

the entire POINT of lxc is basically that

also a container crashing doesn't affect the host

the additional overhead is not justifiable since it serves no purpose whatsoever :)

it's your network and your server so you can do whatever you want, but i'm just trying to tell you best practices and what i think you should be doing, since you initially did ask how to do this in a neater way

seperate users < seperate vms < seperate containers

IF you insist on using a VM, i'd recommend installing docker into it, and then running your servers in docker. BUT, that's just containers again :) so just another layer of needless virtualization

[deep turret]

not necessarily useless

[fringe plaza]

not necessarily, yes

but imo in this case, very much

[deep turret]

but you definitely don't want to run one vm for each services that's true

Also note there are different vm configurations and default ones are usually not thin

[fringe plaza]

proxmox doesn't really do thin vms well

they're pretty chunky

well you can thin provision the disk space but that's about it afaik - i don't use VMs in there if i can help it, and i 100% CAN help it

[deep turret]

^

I agree mostly

it's just the line is blur if you zoom in
but here we re zoomed out anyway

[fringe plaza]

am just saying in this specific use case i think there's absolutely no justification for using a VM over a container for a simple game server

if that ends up crashing the whole host, that's a really, really badly written game server

[topaz scarab]

can't live migrate ct

[fringe plaza]

unless you absolutely need GUI and--

[fringe plaza]

you were faster

[deep turret]

really really badly weiten kernel

[fringe plaza]

i'm doubting they're running a cluster where live migration would be a common occurance

[fringe plaza]

debian is pretty solid

[deep turret]

So it will not crash

[fringe plaza]

correct

proxmox is written on debian, and some of the most rock-solid software i've ever seen, even with the free repos only

[topaz scarab]

you're right, i should try xcpng in a vm

[fringe plaza]

i've never even heard of that

running a hypervisor inside a vm inside a bare metal hypervisor?

sure, what could go wrong 🤣

[topaz scarab]

that'll help find all the bugs for sure

[fringe plaza]

also you can clone it and simply change some iptables rules and it's pretty close to live migration

good enough for a game server i think, should be fast enough xd

but never tried

[fringe plaza]

if anything can crash debian, it's that

xd

[topaz scarab]

i did that for sds once actually

[fringe plaza]

oh shit, did it work? curious now

[topaz scarab]

worked fine, just took a while to backup+copy+restore

so it depends on your ct size

dont even need rules, dhcp sees same mac

wait that wasnt clone then was it

[fringe plaza]

no i think that would in fact be the same mac

since templating containers has that exact effect when cloning them

ig it's a different one if you use a different NIC/bridge?

[topaz scarab]

vmbr0 is vmbr0

[fringe plaza]

you could use a seperate one and just do a lil script to shift iptable rules so the traffic gets sent to the migrated-to interface

that way you could totally have 100% uptime maybe

in theory, i think

i don't actually know

[gloomy maple]

Anyone good at troubleshooting this server with IPv6... Got a server running just find on v4 but isn't responding on v6 to the game. despite the API reporting okay with basic HTTPS test

server itself I can RDP to it's v6 address, and use test-netconnection to verify port 7777

[fringe plaza]

can you even host on ipv6 only? i was under the impression ipv4 is required

[fringe plaza]

did you port scan from outside the network and check if you're getting the packets at all?

[gloomy maple]

well both are enabled while I'm on LAN, it I'm going from internet I'll only have v6 open

[fringe plaza]

if nmap responds with open|filtered it's not getting filtered but also the packets are just not received

since nothing is listening

are you on windows?

[gloomy maple]

server console shows activity when I'm trying, so there is something there

yep windows

[fringe plaza]

damn

wireshark it is then

have that running on your gateway interface and see if you receive the packets when connecting

note you need UDP and TCP

if you're seeing both kinds of packets arrive, the server isn't listening on IPv6 addresses, i think. otherwise i'd look at firewall rules

[fringe plaza]

if you feel comfortable giving the public IP you use to connect out i can just nmap it rq and see if it's filtered or dropped

[fringe plaza]

unfortunately this tells me nothing since i have no idea how the server actually works :/

looks to me like it doesn't listen on IPv6, though

[gloomy maple]

and from server console:

[gloomy maple]

thats where I'm falling over too. I'm confident i have the network side setup correctly, I think the issue lies in the software config

[fringe plaza]

hang on i am not very good with windows

wanna run netstat -aof | findstr :7777 for me?

that should let us see where the server is binding to

i'm assuming it's binding to 0.0.0.0:7777

[gloomy maple]

D:\SatisfactoryDedicatedServer>netstat -aof | findstr :7777
TCP 0.0.0.0:7777 DESKTOP-A1H8DHN:0 LISTENING 13036
TCP 0.0.0.0:7777 DESKTOP-A1H8DHN:0 LISTENING 13036
TCP [::]:7777 DESKTOP-A1H8DHN:0 LISTENING 13036
UDP 0.0.0.0:7777 : 13036
UDP 0.0.0.0:7777 : 13036
UDP [::]:7777 : 13036

[fringe plaza]

oh it's binding alright

[gloomy maple]

yep

[fringe plaza]

but the UDP port isn't listening?

wait im dumb it's udp

hmmmm.

[fringe plaza]

what exactly isn't working, are you getting an error message?

because i'm really bad with IPv6 and out of ideas here

also double check firewall rules i guess. windows firewall could be blocking it

[fringe plaza]

oh so you're not getting ANYTHING ok

wireshark on your gateway and see if anything arrives

let's HOPE this is a network issue

[gloomy maple]

first test was to turn off windows firewall, both server and client

both are on same LAN segment

[fringe plaza]

oh they're inside the same network too?!

i got nothing, sorry.

[gloomy maple]

at least it's not just me

[fringe plaza]

nmap it and wireshark it

that's all i can recommend atp

and then wait for someone actually competent to help you :)

found this on reddit:

Here's what I did to get it working in 1.0 over IPv6! This approach might not be 100% functional but it works for me.

Open / Forward Port 7778 TCP and UDP in your Router to your Server

Start the Satisfactory Server with following parameters:

./FactoryServer.sh -multihome=[Your Global IPv6] -Port=7778

For example: ./FactoryServer.sh -multihome=2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334 -Port=7778

3. Remove every old connection to your server from your Satisfactory Client Server Browser. This is important because the client reuses old addresses.
4. Add your server using the IPv6 Literal Notation. You can convert your IPv6 to a literal here: https://ipv6-literal.com/

It should end with a ".ipv6-literal.net", or use DynDNS or some other provider that does that automatically for you. I use DynDNS and it works fine.

Add your URL to the server browser using the .ipv6-literal.net IP and Port 7778

The "Unable to connect to the Server API" error should be gone now.

Apparently the game client can't handle normal IPv6s.

I made a script that automatically gets the servers IPv6 and starts it with the right parameters. Message me if you like to have it.
The server can then just be accessed over IPV6 only. Which is fine, because I like IPv6 more than IPv4.

source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/satisfactory/comments/1ff7pos/i_cannot_get_the_1001_dedicated_server_running/

different error message ofc but may be a good next step

[gloomy maple]

no go.. although again the console shows my client's IP after I add the entry to server manager

so traffic is getting to the server

[fringe plaza]

but is it getting back? because apparently not, then

once again wireshark the gateway and set a filter for the conversation and see if the server even answers back

then wireshark on the client and see if you receive the response

you may be loosing the packets on the way out

that's just about my last idea here

[gloomy maple]

wireshark is interesting... appears the server may be replying with a different IP than my client is contacting? not unusual to have multiple IPv6 addresses, so i'm not sure if this should be an issue or not

BINGO

updated dns to use that 7c7 address the server was responding with and it's working

but... i think thats the random IP the server has, where as the 10e7 is a reserved DHCPv6 issued one

actually.. i think that dhcp address is wrong... doesn't have the subnet 0 in it. There is my issue

and why the server is replying with a different address

wait.... :: is short for 0000 so i'm back to not sure why this doesn't work

[noble sluice]

No it's 6 cores without HT (Hyper Treading). I had one of those.

[fringe plaza]

i have already been corrected 🤣

[fringe plaza]

yeah why does it have more than one address

that sounds like a configuration issue

also why on earth would you use DHCP for this

give it a static IP and be done about it

i avoid DHCP like the plague and ONLY use it for VPNs and like domain workstations if i have more than 10

it's not short for 0.0.0.0

[noble sluice]

Well I've been out and I don't read the whole tread before answereing.

By the way this channel is for dedicated satisfactory server.
Please respect that and head over to OFF TOPIC channels for OT talks.

[fringe plaza]

but ::0 is short for 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0

[fringe plaza]

yeah that conversation has indeed stopped since

we're currently debugging a dedicated server not working :3

[noble sluice]

DS is working!

[fringe plaza]

i'm reasonably confident this is indicative of his server not working :)

oop sorry for ping

[deep turret]

no ::1 is

:: or ::0 or 0:0:0:0:: or 0::0 .. is same as 0.0.0.0 for ipv6

and 0.0.0.0 is not local host
127.0.0.1 is

and you noticed but your messages keep living

[fringe plaza]

yeah my bad english is not my native language and i'm sorta stupid but i did correct myself ^-^

i don't actually know what you'd call these addresses in english and was too busy to look it up, my bad

[fringe plaza]

i can delete them if you'd like?

[deep turret]

idk, is just that someone else may see it and be like "wait that's not true" again

[fringe plaza]

correct, they're gone now

[fringe plaza]

also besides this is absolutely true but i was just trying to say ::0 doesnt translate to 0.0.0.0 even if it's the IPv6 equivalent of it. at least afaik. it's possible the windows network stack does something weird there and it's not like anything is really following any standards there and that's what i learnt, anyway 🤣

[deep turret]

0.0.0.0 never translate to ::
but :: behave similarly to 0.0.0.0 on ipv4 when it's dualstack
that's why for no ambiguity it would show as listening on * instead

because of ipv6 mapped ipv4

[fringe plaza]

that's precisely what i thought but didn't wanna assume!

i'm pretty bad with IPv6

[winged cloak]

Need some help:

So a Multi Player game (hosted locally) that is uploaded to a dedicated server crashes every time anyone joins it (on the dedicated server).. does anyone else have this issue?

Scenario: me and my friend played MP on a dedicated server. I downloaded the game from the server to my laptop, then we played as I hosted from the laptop. Then, I tried to upload the newer save file to the server (no problem), however, when anyone joins that newly uploaded file on the dedicated server, the server crashes.. I can't see anything in the logs indicating what the issue with when it crashes. It happens every time as soon as any one person joins.

[deep mortar]

@winged cloak Mods?

[winged cloak]

None

[deep mortar]

Works on your laptop, but not on server

same save file

[winged cloak]

If I go back to a save on the dedicated server that was before we played on the laptop (host), its works fine (but it's an old save at that point)

[deep mortar]

ahhh

[winged cloak]

It's 100% reproducable

[deep mortar]

How are you moving them back/forth?

the save file, i mean

[winged cloak]

This is only the 2nd time, and the same behavior.. I thought the first time was a fluke.. now I just want to have the save file fixed so it can be loaded. I probably won't do the back/forth again after this

[deep mortar]

Right. But how did you move it.

[winged cloak]

When you join a server through the game client, you go to 'manage saves'.. there you can download/upload from your local client device to the Dedicated server, and once uploaded, you can then make the server load that game save file

it's all done through the vanilla Satisfactory code

[deep mortar]

Ok. So you're using the integrated satisfactory download/upload feature and not manually moving the files.

[winged cloak]

correct

[deep mortar]

Cool. Have you tried just moving the save file manually into the folder with your saves

i.e. from laptop -> Server

[winged cloak]

no, I could try that.. standby 🙂

[deep mortar]

🙂

[winged cloak]

I did the copy, now the server is starting up, will try to join momentarily

[deep mortar]

You might have to manually load the save

[winged cloak]

Just did that, it's "creating a new game" now

About 10 seconds after clicking "join", the dedicated server crashed

[deep mortar]

hmm

[winged cloak]

yeah.. this is the 2nd time we've lost hours of work.. my friend will probably quit Satisfactory over this (he was quite new to it)

[deep mortar]

Did your session name change?

[winged cloak]

Not that I'm aware of.. I just loaded the savefile to satisfactory-calculator.. going to try to re-save the file and re-upload

[deep mortar]

That was going to be my next suggestion

You can also verify the session name in options

options->Map options

[winged cloak]

session name unchanged (and no spaces)..

starting server now on 'fixed' file from website

[deep mortar]

no special characters too?

[winged cloak]

No, just letters, numbers, underscores, hyphens