dedicated-servers

[gray egret]

Yeah, I do remember that there was this setting somewhere, but I couldn't find it.
thank you

[novel yarrow]

@frosty gale

[keen valley]

trying to find a way to do a clean shutdown of the Linux Dedicated Server, when I try SIGKILL it does not shutdown cleanly

[mint junco]

Morning all, first bug of the day.
This is actually from last night and has been observed many times but it's time to do something about it and actually log it in the QA site.
Despite the fact I have ini file edits in place for ipnetdriver all over the shop there are two network timeout conditions that are seemingly not covered by those settings.
This is one of them.

When a manual save is triggered (something I do before logging off for the night) this timeout error is triggered.
Actually I am still in the game as you can see from the background image but have lost connection to the server.
This save action is triggered from the client as an administrator.

I think that describes the problem well enough for the QA site.

[novel yarrow]

KillSignal=SIGINT not SIGKILL 🙂

[keen valley]

trying now

[2022.11.26-10.39.44:640][194]LogStreaming: Display: Suspending async loading (1)
[2022.11.26-10.39.44:654][194]LogStreaming: Display: Resuming async loading (0)
[2022.11.26-10.39.44:655][194]LogExit: Preparing to exit.
[2022.11.26-10.39.44:662][194]LogDeviceProfile: Device profile begin destroy: [0x7f82b2c57180] Linux
[2022.11.26-10.39.44:662][194]LogDeviceProfile: Device profile begin destroy: [0x7f82b2c570c0] Default__DeviceProfile
[2022.11.26-10.39.44:662][194]LogDeviceProfile: Device profile begin destroy: [0x7f82b2c57000] LinuxServer
[2022.11.26-10.39.44:664][194]LogOnline: Error: OSS: Leaderboards Interface Requested
[2022.11.26-10.39.44:664][194]LogOnline: Error: OSS: Leaderboards Interface Requested

just sits here

does the same with SIGKILL

[novel yarrow]

I can confirm this behaviour; seems likely this 45-sec timeout value has no correspondent option in INI files. But when server kicks out pioneer he stays logged but can do nothing eg. pickup stack of items; eventually server timeout occurs.

[mint junco]

I can actually still resume usually, so it's a console connection error and my ini file timeouts allow me to continue.
But it is telling that you can have these ini file settings in place which are not covered in certain scenarios.

[keen valley]

a second SIGINT does stop it, but it does not save

is there a way to just ask the server to "save" via SIG?

[novel yarrow]

have You this option enabled?

[keen valley]

yes it is

[novel yarrow]

try this trick (found somewhere on Github)

ah no, this is on disconnect

I don't think its possible, system waits for all process shutdown during HALT. It won't wait for save complete, just kills it:

[novel yarrow]

let's try SIGTERM ?

[frosty gale]

I need to set it to exact build version

[novel yarrow]

I don't see possible option in that json. "rules": "string|nullable|in:public,experimental"

[frosty gale]

but is there any official egg or way in steam cmd to choose build version?

[novel yarrow]

You would need specify:
+download_depot <appid> <depotid> [<target manifestid>] [<delta manifestid>] [<depot flags filter>]
instead of:
+app_update ${SRCDS_APPID}

in Your customised Egg.

[frosty gale]

where is that configuration the build number go?

[novel yarrow]

"scripts": {
"installation": {

[frosty gale]

no,no, no i mean i have satisfactory of 27 version but the server is 28 and i need to downgrade it (reinstall)

[novel yarrow]

@blazing halo may be more helpful with these magic numbers, I just rolled entire server from backup.

[frosty gale]

oke

[novel yarrow]

KillSignal=SIGINT
#KillSignal=SIGTERM
TimeoutStopSec=120
it does not save on exit in any of these scenarios. I didn't have such problem because my all servers are still running in the background and I have autosave enabled. I just load last autosave or in case of problems - last manual save.

[mint junco]

Oooo that's a new error

I am shtuck inside a hypertube.
Makes a change from dropping through.

[fleet wadi]

ive heard that theres a way to make your server run without a player online but I cant figure out how to do it. I have a shockbyte server

[odd crown]

#dedicated-servers message

[fleet wadi]

Thank you!

[vale elm]

is someone able to help me with my server

[blazing halo]

Non-issue.

[vale elm]

@blazing halo ?

so it works

[blazing halo]

Yes.

[vale elm]

ok sorry im dumb

[blazing halo]

Nah, the damn server spits out a lot of messages that look scary, but have nothing to do with the operation of the server.

[vale elm]

ok cool took me a while thanks for the help.

[blazing halo]

I have no clue what are versions 27 or 28. Satisfactory uses build numbers that are 6 digits long (currently EX is 209551, EA is 208976), and a version system that uses periods (currently 0.7.0.4 and 0.6.1.4 respectively, I believe?).

[frosty gale]

%localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\Config\WindowsNoEditor\Game.ini
Possible?

[blazing halo]

> Possible?
Uhm, what?

[frosty gale]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/b4fvzb/how_to_have_more_than_4_people_in_multiplayer_in/

[frosty gale]

im sorry i was too lazy to type in the rest of the build numbers

so its the 2 first digits

[blazing halo]

First two digits of what?

[frosty gale]

Build numbers

Creation of the dedicated server, file (.bat)

[blazing halo]

I don't know any build numbers that begin with 27 or 28.

[frosty gale]

oh well lemme check again

[blazing halo]

I'm sorry, what? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[frosty gale]

I'm trying to play with more than 4 players.

[blazing halo]

Yeah, edit Game.ini and find this heading: [/Script/Engine.GameSession]

[frosty gale]

well i have client version 208250 but the server is 208915 ( i remember server version very foggy), so the question is.. can i using steamcmd, pterodactyl, steam or anything else even downloading files for server from some mirror download the older version server files?

[blazing halo]

Okay, I must ask: why do you need to downgrade your EA server to match your client version? The current EA client is 208976 - update your client.

[frosty gale]

im sorry, but i just cant :/

[blazing halo]

Why?

[frosty gale]

dont have enough disk space :(

[frosty gale]

Help, WindowsNoEditor ?

@blazing halo

[blazing halo]

Edit Game.ini.

[frosty gale]

okay.

@blazing halo

[blazing halo]

Also, this isn't server-related. Just so you know.

[blazing halo]

Move MaxPlayers=6 down to its own line.

[/Script/Engine.GameSession]
MaxPlayers=6

[frosty gale]

@blazing halo

[blazing halo]

✓

[frosty gale]

Thanks.

[blazing halo]

Uninstall game, reinstall game.

Should install latest.

Downgrading versions is not a solution for insufficient disk space.

[frosty gale]

okay i didnt wanna say it but i dont have enough money to buy the game so i kinda ||pirated|| it and im so sorry

[novel yarrow]

wtf ? gotta be kidding, order NOW on Steam -40%

No excuses 😄

[frosty gale]

i know but my friends are 1 from Russia and other form Ukraine of i would have the money they dont :/

[novel yarrow]

2 gifts on -40% no problem then ?

[frosty gale]

waii lemme see

[novel yarrow]

time is ticking, special offer ends 29th

[blazing halo]

That's what I thought. ;]

*le sigh*

[frosty gale]

my wallet isnt really bottomless u know

[blazing halo]

I ain't going to chastise you. I did this myself years ago (Poland).

Did you get your server from STEAM, or steamcmd?

[frosty gale]

SteamCmd

[blazing halo]

Then why did you update it, if you knew you couldn't play on a newer version?

Think a little. ;P

[frosty gale]

The problem is i downloaded it today

[blazing halo]

Ah.

[frosty gale]

Yeahh

[blazing halo]

Yeah, well, we don't really want to help you with pirate versions. Sorry.

[frosty gale]

Okay, i understand

[torpid vector]

Is this a good place to get help with my server?

[blazing halo]

*looks at the channel name*

*looks at @torpid vector*

Nope, this is the plushie channel.

[torpid vector]

T.T

[blazing halo]

Whatchu need?

[torpid vector]

help 👉 👈
I don't really know what I'm doing with the server, I've had it completely setup before and running. Then all of a sudden the server didn't work anymore. I've been trying to troubleshoot it with Googling stuff, but I'm not really finding a lot of info.

[blazing halo]

Begin with describing the issue.

EA or EX? Which build? Operating system hosting the server? Any additional software in play (like Ptero, Docker, LGSM)?

[torpid vector]

EA, 208796, Windows 10, and No

4.26.2-208976

Recently the server crashed on startup, now I've got the command prompt screen to not shut itself down, but it freezes after a short while before fully setting itself up

It hits a wall, I guess

[blazing halo]

Can you show me the "wall" it hits?

[torpid vector]

[2022.11.26-21.40.11:203][ 0]LogGameState: Match State Changed from EnteringMap to WaitingToStart
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:205][ 0]LogReplicationGraph: Display: SetActorDiscoveryBudget set to 20 kBps (5333 bits per network tick).
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:205][ 0]LogNetCore: DDoS detection status: detection enabled: 0 analytics enabled: 0
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:207][ 0]LogInit: WinSock: Socket queue. Rx: 131072 (config 131072) Tx: 131072 (config 131072)
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:207][ 0]LogNet: Created socket for bind address: 10.0.0.22 on port 15000
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:207][ 0]PacketHandlerLog: Loaded PacketHandler component: DTLSHandlerComponent ()
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:208][ 0]PacketHandlerLog: Loaded PacketHandler component: Engine.EngineHandlerComponentFactory (StatelessConnectHandlerComponent)
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:208][ 0]LogNet: IpNetDriver_2147476123 IpNetDriver_2147476123 IpNetDriver listening on port 15000
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:218][ 0]LogLoad: Took 5.071930 seconds to LoadMap(/Game/FactoryGame/Map/GameLevel01/Persistent_Level)
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:242][ 1]LogOnline: Warning: OSS: EOSSDK-LogEOSP2P: NAT Detection failed, unable to resolve host
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:244][ 1]LogNet: UNetDriver::TickDispatch: Very long time between ticks. DeltaTime: 5.10, Realtime: 0.03. IpNetDriver_2147476123
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:244][ 1]LogNet: UNetDriver::TickDispatch: Very long time between ticks. DeltaTime: 5.10, Realtime: 0.03. EOSNetDriver_2147482292
[2022.11.26-21.40.11:546][ 11]LogOnline: Warning: OSS: EOSSDK-LogEOSAnalytics: EOS SDK Analytics disabled for route [1]

This is always the end where it freezes

[blazing halo]

Ah, yes.

So... you're worried because it says nothing else after that.

Have you tried connecting to it?

Also, how the fuck 10.0.0.22? 🤣

[torpid vector]

Yes, unsuccessfully

[blazing halo]

So damn close. xD

Used to run 10.0.0.* myself before I switched to 10.{realm}.{segment}.*

so my own server is currently 10.0.1.22 xD

[blazing halo]

Okay... So you tried 10.0.0.22 with port 15777 and it doesn't work?

[torpid vector]

Yeah

[blazing halo]

Disable Windows Firewall on the server machine (entirely) and try again.

Is that OS on bare metal, or is there some virtualisation happening?

[torpid vector]

I disabled it and it's currently sitting at the "wall"

What do you mean?

[blazing halo]

Did you install Windows on a PC,

or did you install Windows on a virtual PC?

[torpid vector]

Install on a PC

[blazing halo]

Okay, so bare metal.

Okay, so it should work.

I assume you're in the same LAN with it?

[torpid vector]

Yeah

[blazing halo]

I assume you can ping the machine?

[torpid vector]

Ping?

[blazing halo]

On your main computer, hit Win+R, in the lil window that comes up type cmd and ENTER or click OK

It will open a CMD window.

In that window, type ping 10.0.0.22 and tell me what it returns.

[torpid vector]

Pinging 10.0.0.22 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 10.0.0.22: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
Reply from 10.0.0.22: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
Reply from 10.0.0.22: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128
Reply from 10.0.0.22: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128

Ping statistics for 10.0.0.22:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

[blazing halo]

So you can ping it.

Also, you know how to use CMD edit mode, cool.

(I was kinda expecting a screenshot :D)

Oh hey

you have edit mode enabled.

Can you check if you accidentally went into edit mode on the server window? :D

Because that will stop it dead.

@torpid vector ^

[torpid vector]

I'm not sure? I can use all the same functions in the Sat Server that I can in CMD

[blazing halo]

You do know what edit mode is, right?

That thing you did with the mouse to copy the results of ping?

When you do that, the underlying process pauses execution for you to be able to copy the buffer.

[torpid vector]

Yes, but I'm not seeing anything change when I turn it off

[blazing halo]

Ugh, I'm not running the server on Windows, so I can't give you a visual aid...

[torpid vector]

one sec

[blazing halo]

It usually manifests as one block being white, inside the CMD window.

Easy to miss.

[blazing halo]

Okay. And can you connect to it now?

(also, I doubt it'll remember this unless you disable it for all CMD windows)

Is this happening on your own gaming PC?

[torpid vector]

Server is still showing offline and stopped at the lines from earlier.

Yes

[blazing halo]

Have you tried 127.0.0.1 as the IP?

Just to see if it'll go through.

[torpid vector]

As the server address in satisfactory?

[blazing halo]

Yes. If this is all on the same PC, it should work.

[scarlet crater]

Fun fact your could.type in 127.27.231.85 and it would be resolved to your PC

[blazing halo]

It would, 127/8 is all "this PC".

[scarlet crater]

Why did they reserve that entire /8 block tho it's insane

[torpid vector]

Still no change, Server is offline

[blazing halo]

No idea, but they did this back when it was all empty.

[scarlet crater]

Could the local machines firewall be the issue?

[blazing halo]

Already asked it to be disabled.

Not sure if it is, but he says so.

[torpid vector]

\

Is this correct?

[blazing halo]

That looks correct, yes.

I need to see your server log.

[torpid vector]

What IP am I supposed to use to Add Server?

[blazing halo]

In your local network, the LAN IP of the machine.

[torpid vector]

Because last time before the whole crash and couldn't use it, I used my PCs IPv6 and it worked. I just tried the IPv4 again and it finally worked

[blazing halo]

Ah, yes, if you told it to -multihome=10.0.0.22 then that is the only IP it'll listen on. So, 127.0.0.1 wouldn't work.

[torpid vector]

And I'm gonna feel reaaaaaaaaaaal dumb if that was the only problem

[blazing halo]

Uhhh...

Wait.

LOG

what was the launch command?

-multihome disables IPv6 when used with an IPv4 IP address.

Things aren't tracking for me.

[torpid vector]

.exe -log -unattended -multihome=10.0.0.22

[blazing halo]

Okay, so with that command, IPv6 can not work

because telling the server to use 10.0.0.22 forces it to use the IPv4 address space.

[torpid vector]

I apologize, I've been trying to work on this after work in the middle of the night and this is the first time I've not done that. It must've gone right over my head, dang...

But if someone wants to join, how do they do so?

Not on LAN

[blazing halo]

Public WAN IP + port forwards.

For starters, I'd recommend you replace -multihome=10.0.0.22 with -multihome=0.0.0.0. Makes little difference, but could save you a headache down the line.

It essentially does the same, except explicitly specifying which network interface it should listen to - 0.0.0.0 means all of them.

To check if your WAN IP is public, log into your router and find your WAN IP. Then, check with a website like whatismyip.com to see if they match.

If they do - your WAN IP is indeed public. If not - it is not, and you can't host the server for the Internet to reach.

[torpid vector]

Thank you, I've made those changes now

[blazing halo]

So, is your WAN IP public?

[lilac ledge]

when you are renting a DS, should you be able to load specific save files from the main list of saves? is there something that renting a DS would prevent there?

[blazing halo]

Yes, and no, unless your hoster prevents you somehow.

[lilac ledge]

I cant ftp download my saves. I have to ask for them to be emailed.

[blazing halo]

Ah, that's likely because many hosters haven't fucking bought a fucking clue

and figured out that saves are not kept in the server's directory.

[lilac ledge]

For satisfactory we would need to grab it for you as the developers have not given an option to migrate the save location. Which causes the save to go into the appdata folder. What is the name of the world and I will grab the data for you.

[blazing halo]

Yeah, on Windows it's in AppData.

And yes, the devs did not include a way to move it elsewhere.

Also, looks like your hoster did buy a clue.

Now I just have to wonder why they can't just remap that directory to a folder you own.

Because yeah, that's doable.

mklink /J <destination> <source> most likely

[sinful axle]

anyone taken a low.ms server to experimental yet? how is it working?

[fallen glacier]

when uploading a save that was previously local, is there a way to link profiles?|

I just moved our world to a dedicated server but our inventory has been reset and we can see "us" as player models as though we're offline.

[novel yarrow]

It should not happen like that, but... just kill orphaned pioneer and grab the inventory stuff.

[fallen glacier]

ahh thank you, it looked like we couldn't kill afk players

[thorn kestrel]

Hello. I'm running a dedicated server for a friend and myself to play on. When we're at his place everything works perfectly fine. However if I'm at home he's being disconnected if I log in. My setup in brief: I'm connected to an intel nic on my win2022 server and he's connected to it on the nic that goes to the fiber modem (static ip ; my server does nat for internal nic). I'm running the server via steamcmd. The game log doesn't tell me that the other player is disconnected or why, but after I connect he can't see the server as online anymore. I'm using the multihome commandline to bind only to the public ip. I had a similar issue when I was running an Empyrion server, and there I had to resort to putting it in a virtual windows 7 and routing the requests to it. I am also running a minecraft server however, and that doesn't seem to have any issues with multiple adapters. Anyone else with this problem or solutions to it? My current solution is to connect via a vpn so that I'm comming from the external ip myself.

[novel yarrow]

You'll need to listen on all available interfaces so in that case -multihome 0.0.0.0

[thorn kestrel]

I don't think that is the issue, because if I don't do multihome, that is the default behavour according to the wiki

[odd crown]

mutlihome 0.0.0.0 would listen to all ipv4 adresses on your network and ignore ipv6.
If you only listed your public ip in multihome, the server will only allow connections from your public ip

Similarly setting a multihome 127.0.0.1 would only allow connections from the same machine

[thorn kestrel]

Understood. But that doesn't address the problem I'm having. To reiterate - my problem is that once I connect from inside it drops the connection to the external nic. Now I'm connecting to the external ip, but since my router is also the same box that has the dedicated server my trafic is comming from the internal nic, and I know there's some edge traverse magic happening. I suspect it's got to do with that mayhaps.

[novel yarrow]

Ok so let's compare this to situation I'm having. I'm connecting over VPN (local subnet), the others go via WAN address. This indeed generate problem like that, since I'm the server admin looks like I'm sometimes reserving ports; effectively refusing other players. So what I'm doing is allow all players join first, then me over VPN. Sometimes clients just need several attempts (3-4) to join. -multihome set to local IP of the server, one NIC only.

[shadow meteor]

I found a bug. If the player left the game while he was in the car, the server records the defective savefile. At the moment of the next entry, the player and the car hang somewhere in the beyond. You can fix the problem by removing the player from the map using the calculator.

[novel yarrow]

This happend to me when server tickrate was set to higher than 30. On EA.

[thorn kestrel]

If it's triggered by being admin, maybe only log into the player side ? then your session isn't admin right?

[shadow meteor]

The DS using default settings of tickrate. I don't change anything.

[novel yarrow]

Yep, clearly an issue with in-vehicle position during save. Same on EA DS.

[novel yarrow]

Will test this... at some point.

[frosty coral]

Hey so i am stuck with the so called "ghost player bug"
basically everytime i join the server i spawn as a new character (also my original main character can't be killed so i can't get the loot back, when i revived it the model just kept moving straight and ran into a wall so thats where it is stuck now)
is there a known fix for this? i tried restarting the server/my pc but nothing worked

[odd crown]

You should be able to kill your old player but it does take fairly many hits... like around 50 or so

Likely the reason is that your game client is not connected to either epic or steam I'd imagine

[shadow meteor]

And how to fix it?

[novel yarrow]

There's no fix for that, it needs to be reported on QA site. Doesn't happen on singleplayer session though...

[frosty coral]

so after another server restart all the clones and my main character dropped their loot and dissapeared but i still always log in as a different player

[blazing halo]

Having a log of all of those attempts might help, actually... but this is a known issue - it just doesn't seem to happen quite that often. For most people, it happens like once, maybe twice.

[blazing halo]

Now this is a proper headscratcher, I have to admit. From the code's perspective, it should absolutely not matter where you're coming from... However, the game has a built-in "router" it uses to limit the number of ports it requires. It is enabled by default, and can cause some real headscratchers when it malfunctions. I would advise you try running the server with either -multihome=0.0.0.0 (if you don't care about IPv6), or -DisablePacketRouting (if you do care about IPv6) -- both of these will disable the internal packet router and force the game to use all three ports instead, with no extra layers of connection handling on top of connection handling...

[thorn kestrel]

Okay. I'll try the first one. I haven't even activated the ipv6 stack on the server, so it won't try to resolve any of that in the first place

[blazing halo]

In systems where it's enabled by default, I've seen the built-in router do funny things like :ff::127.0.0.1. :D

(or however that's written down...)

If it works, I would be thrilled if you could add a comment to my QA posting requesting the packet router be disabled by default.

[thorn kestrel]

it'd probably be 7F000001 at the end instead of 127 etc? ipv6 uses hex notation

[blazing halo]

Yeah, except it takes an incoming IPv4 connection,

routes it via IPv6, back to IPv4 localhost...

Because IPv6 first, I guess?

I doubt the IP stack is actually invoked for loopback, but it's still funny.

[thorn kestrel]

Not sure. I took my IT education before ipv6 was a thing :)

[blazing halo]

I just find it silly that they do this, and it does this silly thing, and then nobody ever mentions this anywhere, except for a line on how to disable it.

[thorn kestrel]

Well it's still a work in progress thing. I don't document things until they're done either. It's just how people are. Ineffective

[blazing halo]

I suppose...

I guess that's why auto-documentation is a thing.

But damn, at least drop a page on the Wiki for it. Just in case.

[thorn kestrel]

True

[blazing halo]

Ping me when you've tried it - I'm curious if it's the internal router being a shit again.

[blazing halo]

Likely because in SP, there's no ambiguity about who you are - there's only one thing you can be, the local player. If I were to guess, I'd say that if you load a MP/DS save and join in SP, it might give you a new body, but should afterwards stick to it.

[thorn kestrel]

If I remember I'll report back. Can't test until next weekend though due to work schedules

[blazing halo]

I expected as much, yeah. Do ping me, though, I'd like to know if it works.

I assume that if it doesn't, you'll be back here anyway... :D

[shrewd condor]

What host would you guys recommended for a 4-8 player game

[gray kernel]

<@&387163995947270144> Hi. New to the game. Just started a dedicated server. When I created new game, and joined, I joined as my solo game Tier 2 Character. How do I (and friends) join as a new character instead?

[violet fox]

Please don't ping us moderators for game related questions. We are here for issues with the Discord server and its member

Concerning your question: Are you hosting the game from a fresh save file or loading an existing game?
In any case, also check out our QnA forum over at #1038092680493801533 for anything game related

[gray kernel]

Sorry. Thought I had the right group. I'll hop to the other channel.

[violet fox]

It's fine, just wanted to point it out 🙂

[gray kernel]

I started a new file. My character was from a solo file in a different biome and everything.

[violet fox]

That is odd, since the progression of what is unlocked is not tied to the character but to the save file

Meaning a new save file should lead to start at 0, there is no way to "transfer" a character with more or less progress

As in, there is no tracking for unlocks/progression on a character basis. That stuff is only tracked globally for the whole save file/game

[blazing halo]

Are you sure that you actually joined the server, and not loaded your local/SP save file locally?

I see a lot of people failing to understand the distinction between session MP and dedicated servers - lots of questions about "invites" not working, or "privacy" not setting... so I ask.

[gray kernel]

Alright.. I'm back.

🤪

[blazing halo]

So, ^

[gray kernel]

More confused than ever. Under Server Manager I selected Create Game. I clicked a starting area. I made a new session name.

then I went to the status tab and clicked join.

I have now wiped the server, and did all of this again.

[blazing halo]

Did it happen again?

[gray kernel]

My solo game was in the rocky desert. this game is grass fields. Yes

I can stream my screen if you would like

[blazing halo]

... I would like to see that, yes. That's very curious.

[gray kernel]

Yes and my friend is now trying to join and it shows him as T2 as well

[blazing halo]

Well, once the game unlocks the tier, it's shared by everyone (game is coop-only in MP), so it doesn't matter who unlocked the Tier - it's unlocked for everyone.

Hmmm... Wait a second.

I keep forgetting what Tier 2 is.

This is a non-issue.

[gray kernel]

I had the game set to pause when no one was logged in. Not sure why it's showing offline. It looks online from the web portal.

[blazing halo]

Plays on the Dedicated Server do not go through the tutorial.

You spawn with Tiers 0 and 1 completed, and some basic building stuff in your inventory.

[gray kernel]

brand new game and I can search for copper and limestone out of the gate

and I had crafted materials as well as raw materials in my inventory

[blazing halo]

See above.

[gray kernel]

so the 4 autominers would be standard?

[blazing halo]

Gimme a sec.

This is the initial inventory for the Dedicated Server.

[gray kernel]

OOOOOOh. Okay.

[blazing halo]

I got lost for a second when you said that your character got transferred, but it was actually a coincidence that what you had in the inventory closely resembled what you get by default.

[brazen plaza]

Sorry if this has been asked before, I can not get blue prints working and I'm wondering if this is a known issue. they simply will not save, when I check the save location on both the server and local PC they are not there either.

[shadow meteor]

Posted it

[blazing halo]

Does the user you're running the server as have permission to create folders in the save directory? I assume it does, but just to verify.

[brazen plaza]

yes i do

if i go to a local game it works fine i found.

[blazing halo]

Hmm... I don't know what to tell you. I think it's been mentioned before, this issue, but I don't know it as anything other than "intermittent".

Maybe it's not so intermittent.

A QA posting is in your future, I fear.

[brazen plaza]

thats ok, i will post it in the Q A, thank you for having a think on it.

[solemn matrix]

urgh, whenever hosting a server for too long, you start not able to track other players on map

this is rather frustrating =\

[solar reef]

could someone try test mine dedicated server i wonder can someone else join exept me ?

[pliant night]

@brazen plaza A few questions. How are you running the server? Is it as a service or through SteamCMD? Also Windows platform? For the Blueprints are they not saving in game or is it that you see them in game but not in file explorer?

[solar reef]

hmm still nobody ... ? i would like to test out my dedicated server so when my friend come online we can instant play and skipp all the confing part :/ ?

[sinful quartz]

Hello, Is there a way to modify the ports of a server hosted via steamcmd? Unfortunately I did not find any configuration

[native geyser]

im using the docker implementation for the server. but i still run into issues, when i import my ongoing save, the server crashes. We where using a hoster before and it worked fine til update 6 and the world didnt boot anymore.. but when i try loading it into my client, it worked fine. because of multiple reasons we decided to get a vps instead of the more expensive game server. The server worked fine until i loaded the save and it cept crashing.Is there any way i can repair my save-file?

[tough matrix]

what is wapening?

[blazing halo]

Either via file modifications (2/3) or by CLI launch arguments (3/3).

[blazing halo]

How much RAM is available to the server?

[blazing halo]

?

[sinful quartz]

I tried that but it doesn't work

server already running

[native geyser]

i set a limit 6GB.
incase you know how to docker: the full docker-compose file is

version: '3'
services:
  satisfactory-server:
    image: 'wolveix/satisfactory-server:latest'
    ports:
      - '7777:7777/udp'
      - '15000:15000/udp'
      - '15777:15777/udp'
    volumes:
      - '/home/bnb/setup/satisfactory/serverfiles:/config'
    environment:
      - AUTOPAUSE=false
      - MAXPLAYERS=4
      - PGID=1000
      - PUID=1000
#      - STEAMBETA=true
    restart: unless-stopped
    deploy:
      resources:
        limits:
          memory: 6G

[blazing halo]

U6 requires 11 GB, U7 about 14.

[odd crown]

At least

[blazing halo]

Note: those are base requirements. Save size will influence RAM use (upwards).

[blazing halo]

How did you check that it didn't work?

[sinful quartz]

Trying to start the server

but error, instance already running

[blazing halo]

Result?

[native geyser]

is it required or is it a recomendation.. aka does teh server no liky, when i give it less. or will it still attempt to run?

[blazing halo]

Ah.

It will try, and then you will see a Killed when it runs out of RAM.

[sinful quartz]

maybe have to edit ServerQueryPort but I dont find the CLI option for that

[blazing halo]

Recommendation is 16 GB for U6, and I'd say 18 GB for U7.

[blazing halo]

-ServerQueryPort=

That's the CLI option.

Unless you meant the ini option, in which case - there isn't one. No, I have no idea why either.

[native geyser]

unfortunatly it does not.. it just spits a ton of errors...

i will try with 11 tho

[blazing halo]

Show me.

[native geyser]

those ate the last few, but they are all like this

[blazing halo]

All of these are irrelevant to server operation. They're game logic warnings.

[native geyser]

but it stays up with 11gb of ram...

[blazing halo]

Until you build some more, and then it'll tank again at some point.

But if that's how you want to run it...

[native geyser]

so you might be right with the gbs.. with is strange because i do remember it jsut running find on a 4gb server and after a restart it just...ded

[blazing halo]

Yeah, it needs something like that when not loaded into a game.

[native geyser]

i mean.. its already fine by me that it works on a non dedicated server and i can use it with docker

on the other hand... does the base game also need that much ram while also supporting multiplayer?

[blazing halo]

I'm just glad you didn't rage-quit with "I'll go back when it goes back to sane RAM use again".

Legit seen that happen. Good luck waiting for that. So far, every major update only increased RAM use.

Also, rage-quitting because an Early Access game isn't staying true to its initial hardware requirements is... sad.

But anyway.

[blazing halo]

I don't honestly know, but it needs 8-10 GB just to run, so I assume "something like that, yeah".

[native geyser]

well minimum is 8gb

[blazing halo]

Ask Taro for his single-player save. I'm told it exceeds 32 GB at this point.

[native geyser]

and i cant go higher then 12 because my server is a 16gb vm.. and doesnt do more or we pay up.. so might as well use it as it is for now and see how far 11gb will take us.. but i still need try to join it.. becuase i havent done that yet

[blazing halo]

Yeah, well. Running Unreal Engine dedicated servers tends to be RAM-heavy.

[native geyser]

what is the base ticket rate for the game?

[blazing halo]

Tickets of what?

[native geyser]

tick*

sry

[native geyser]

?

[blazing halo]

Your Docker probably has it set higher.

Don't go above 120, I'm told weird shit starts to happen.

I like your session name.

Self-distance is important.

[native geyser]

xD

[blazing halo]

As is accurate self-reflection... 🤣

[native geyser]

i mean.. it is my 2nd world i am playing

[blazing halo]

But eh, you're at LateGame,

clearly you're not morons at least.

Small joys?

[native geyser]

doesnt seem i can set that.. unless its goign by a different name

[native geyser]

small waht?

[blazing halo]

As in, you may be idiots but you're not morons.

Which is something, at least.

Right?

[native geyser]

<.<

xD

yea...sure

[blazing halo]

I'm sorry. I just came home from a long day at work. My current outlook on (and expectancy of) human intelligence is... shall we say low.

Which, I'm told, should actually reflect reality.

So there's that.

Anyway, the tickrate is configured in the .ini files somewhere. CBA to check.

[native geyser]

There is no such thing as professionalism.

• Phil

[blazing halo]

It's on the Wiki. Somewhere.

[blazing halo]

Yes, there is. Otherwise millions of people wouldn't huff in outrage when you doubt theirs.

[native geyser]

i will find it.. i can play on teh server.. tho it seems i have some connection issues, cause the train glitches into itself

[blazing halo]

At the end of the day... you get what you paid for.

Keep that in mind.

[native geyser]

unfortunatly... i have seen bigger companies working inside.. its just not there...

[native geyser]

bringing it up, because i wanted to check, if that might not only be connection related

[blazing halo]

Depending on the VPS provider, you may run into CPU time scheduling issues. I guess time will tell.

[native geyser]

cpu seems bored

[blazing halo]

(because obviously they overprovision, hoping that people won't all use it at the same time)

[native geyser]

i just dont liek the fact tha tthe server allocates the ram.. instead of dynamicly use it.. because im sure it wont need all 11gbs

[blazing halo]

(AKA how to sell a potato at the price of a kilogram)

[blazing halo]

It does, actually.

It tracks every single world cell.

Most of them aren't doing anything interesting, but it does track them.

Remember that long list of LogNavigationDirtyArea: Warning: Skipping dirty area creation because of empty bounds (object: FoliageInstancedStaticMeshComponent /Game/FactoryGame/Map/GameLevel01/Tile_X5_Y3.Tile_X5_Y3:PersistentLevel.InstancedFoliageActor_0.FoliageInstancedStaticMeshComponent_153)?

[native geyser]

yes

[blazing halo]

That's the tracking.

[native geyser]

ah

[blazing halo]

(it basically "warning" you that there's nothing interesting going on in that cell, so it just assumes default states for it)

[native geyser]

any idea how to get the inventory back? cause its lost now..

[odd crown]

Are you sure the tickrate is on the wiki somewhgere, Kad?
Last time I was looking for it I searched on the wiki and didn't find it

[native geyser]

how dirt.cheap the hoster is.. im pretty sure that is the case.. tho i dont mind as long as it runs

[odd crown]

Probably your old character is somewhere in the save and you can kill it to retrieve the inventory

[blazing halo]

Hm... no, I'm not actually. I assumed it's there, because it'd be pretty stupid (and entertaining) if it wasn't there.

[native geyser]

yea... somewhere

[odd crown]

I found it mentioned that it was added to the UI.... In some U5 patch

[native geyser]

is there no playerdata to look at and ge tthe coordiantions/change IDs?

[odd crown]

scim can do that 🙂

[blazing halo]

Please see https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers/Configuration_files

[native geyser]

because the save-file is quite smal. just in a format i cant open properly

[odd crown]

You can open it in SCIM in the map

ANd edit the locations of players among other things

Did you find it there, Kad? Or just find it in you own data? 😛

[native geyser]

tho where is the file?

[blazing halo]

In my own data.

Google says it's not there.

Well, I suppose I expected too much from people. Again.

[native geyser]

pff

[blazing halo]

But eh, you shouldn't need to modify it unless your hardware can handle it, and 30 is plenty.

So I guess... doesn't really matter?

[native geyser]

will try the tool later

[blazing halo]

$SERVERINSTALLDIR/FactoryGame/Saved/Config/LinuxServer

[native geyser]

but.. it smore then thatand i want to know to what it was set

[blazing halo]

Likely 100, if it's at 98.

Or 120.

[native geyser]

it did went over a 100.. and does fluctuate a lot

[blazing halo]

Then 120 probably, and your VPS can only handle so much. ;P

[native geyser]

yea.. its no thtere tho

[blazing halo]

Going over 120 seems to promote weirdness, so it's a good cap value.

(well, according to some, anyway)

[blazing halo]

Since we deal with vanilla DS instances here, I suppose you'd get better answers from either the guy that made that image, or Docker folks themselves.

[odd crown]

Well since my game crashes during the Tick. I should really edit it to zero 🙃

[blazing halo]

Try negative values.

Let's see if the game can run in reverse.

[native geyser]

xD

[odd crown]

Let me start with the elevator done and drag items out of it!

[blazing halo]

Note down lotto numbers. If it works, they might come in handy.

[native geyser]

ram the ores back into the ground

[blazing halo]

Also, kick me a cool mil.

For the suggestion, and because we're friends.

[odd crown]

What's the Euro jackpot tomorrow?

[blazing halo]

Run the game in reverse and leave the info in the chat tomorrow, so you can read it today.

[odd crown]

4head

[blazing halo]

Wouldn't that be insane though?

"Well, nobody tried before, so I guess..."

Now I'm legit curious what the game does when you tell it to NetServerMaxTickRate=-60.

Not curious enough to disrupt my empty server tho'.

[native geyser]

well it does seem to be functional.. i will try to give a littel more ram and see if that improved the server... or it might just be the ping..

tho that seems fine..

[native geyser]

well i found some player with decent items... and a coffe

[blazing halo]

Saw a woman today, driving her car and talking on the phone held in her left hand. I'm not sure she even held the wheel with her right. In a fairly recent SUV, which I'm sure has a hands-free. Hell, our 15-year-old Transit has one. I bet she could talk to her phone through hers. But why bother?

At least she was springy @ green...

[native geyser]

not allowed in germany ^^

[blazing halo]

Within 10 seconds, officially Not My Problem.

[odd crown]

Not allowed most places. People still do it

[native geyser]

to talk on teh phone that is.. cause you are not allowed to use the phone while driving anyways.. only hands-free

[blazing halo]

Yeah. But people are morons.

Or, they have no fucking imagination.

"What could possibly happen?"

A shitload of things, actually. But who cares? 🤷

[native geyser]

they alre already testing a new system that checks, if you are on a phone, while driving under a bridge

[odd crown]

What kind of system is that? That'd be nice to have here

[blazing halo]

"I love that you care and thank yee for your advice, but imma gonna continue being a danger to myself and everyone around me. Thanks tho'!"

Mhm... drive safe now...

[native geyser]

makes a pic of every car and then checks, with ✨AI✨ if you are on a phone

[odd crown]

I could take sooo many pictures out to the red just outside my apartment

People using phones while waiting for the light

[native geyser]

they also already tried gettign money from people.. but the system is not yet pushed in court so alot just rejected the payment

[blazing halo]

My boss likes to answer e-mails on his phone. While doing 95 mph (150 km/h) on a highway.

[odd crown]

😬

[blazing halo]

Told him to stop at the next rest, so I can get the fuck off, and he can continue on his merry way.

[native geyser]

tbh... i do it too but its a nono while driving

[odd crown]

Looks angrily at Phil

[native geyser]

<.<'

[blazing halo]

Meh. Today, he got pissed because a ped didn't cross the road until he was at complete stop.

Kinda ripped him a new one over that. Because fuck no I wouldn't trust him until he was conpletely stopped, if I were that ped. By default. And remember, I ride with the guy.

[odd crown]

Any bets on when #patch-notes light up?

[native geyser]

i havent been following the game so much recently besides the big features...

[blazing halo]

Download both via steamcmd, so I kinda don't care. I'll get to it whenever.

[native geyser]

yesterday some family of 4 tried to cross the street-baby in cart first while i was..a lready there with 50km/h

so.. 31mph

[blazing halo]

Oh yeah, I should mention, I'm in the EU as well. I translated km/h to mph because most folk here are in the wrong measurement system.

[odd crown]

Ah yes. But I'm not gonna get my friend to download from steamcmd. So it won't benefit me. If I wasn't okay with sometimes not being able to play, I'd play EA 😉 (And probably not dedicated at all :P)

[native geyser]

no street lights, barely visible at 6pm

[blazing halo]

True enough, and... true enough I guess. I mean, I'm okay as well. It's just a hassle sometimes.

I mean, I did pay the devs for access to the unfinished game. I obviously expected issues. :D

Finally someone noticed. Tough crowd tonight.

[odd crown]

No reason to laugh. It's obviously the truth

[blazing halo]

I was actually a bit proud of that wordplay.

But eh.

That'll show me.

[native geyser]

yea.. the topic was over and i didnt bother to write another message on it ^^

[blazing halo]

And I was recently told I should totes become a stand-up comedian.

Well, somebody lied.

[native geyser]

is there some documentation about NETWORKQUALITY

[blazing halo]

There's plenty on the settings it affects (look up Scalability.ini I believe),

but it likely won't help you, if you want it to help with what I think you do.

[native geyser]

i just googled it.. cause 1-4 rly?

[blazing halo]

Do FG.NetworkQuality 3, but I think it's default.

Also, 1-3.

If you look in Scalability.ini, you'll see what happens at each level.

[native geyser]

it is default

[native geyser]

.

[blazing halo]

(unless it's not in the saved one, but rather the default one... I unpacked my game to bits, forget if it shows up or not)

Nah, over the console.

Anyway, it's like 9:30 PM, and I still haven't unpacked my groceries.

(though I did come in like 30 minutes ago, so not too bad just yet)

Better get to it, however.

[native geyser]

alrighty. hav fun

[blazing halo]

Certes, that's the word I'm looking for. Fun.

[native geyser]

well.. i mean, its gonan be fun once you eat it ^^... funniyl enough if i add the tiles to limit the tick rate. it just goes over xD

hold.. it might be a user error

it wasnt there. because... docker, but even if it is present now it still doesnt lock to it.

is it like a soft limit? for it goes like way over...

[blazing halo]

It's a hard limit. If it's going higher than X, it means the limit is higher than X.

[brazen plaza]

Hi, thanks for the reply. Im running the server through the epic store not using steamCMD and on windows. The blueprints are not saving in game.

[pliant night]

I haven't tried doing anything with the epic store version of dedicated servers. Have you considered trying the SteamCMD version to confirm if the issue is with the Epic version of dedicated servers? It doesn't require you to purchase the game on Steam. It is very quick to setup and if you need help I'd be glad to assist if you are having issues setting it up with the wiki instructions. There is a good guide on the wiki under section 3.1.1.2. https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Windows. If this does work and you want to keep the server running this way I would recommend setting up the server as a service. The save location is in a different location so you would need to move the save files and load them once the server is started. Here is a guide for that if you decide to go this route. https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers/Running_as_a_Service

[brazen plaza]

Ok i will give that a try tonight and let you know how it goes. Thank you for your help

[pliant night]

Glad to help. Feel free to DM me if needed.

[next vapor]

there any mods or anything that can announce an impending autosave to clients?

it's been quite some time and I can't believe this hasn't been addressed yet

[blazing halo]

Mods are not compatible with the dedicated server, unfortunately.

[next vapor]

does this exist for non-dedicated server?

[blazing halo]

No idea.

My recommendation would be to ask in the modding discord, they'll likely know better than we do.

[next vapor]

I'm about to go old school Gameshark style and hunt down the memory location of the autosave timer, and make a bot for my group's discord

lol

[blazing halo]

It's a valid approach, I suppose... except it's likely that you won't easily find it.

I doubt there's a "countdown". More than likely, the autosave is scheduled alongside everything else.

But you absolutely can read the .ini file that specifies the interval, and read the log to latch onto the last timestamp.

[next vapor]

well, autosave on client side has a literal countdown

so maybe

[next vapor]

this would be a last resort

[blazing halo]

Most likely scheduled too. I doubt this game uses any sort of "timeouts".

[blazing halo]

That is likely your best bet, actually. And I think it's already been done.

[next vapor]

this game definitely has some....... interesting..... design decisions abound

like, I'm absolutely floored that saves are not async

[blazing halo]

Nah, that's just how modern games are designed. You have a scheduler for everything. Certainly holds true for UE games, and anything Bethesda pumps out.

[next vapor]

doesn't make it good design 😉

[blazing halo]

Considering that it needs to save the entire memory region, and then serialize it so that it doesn't save several GB of data per save...

[next vapor]

just a root design issue. each thing needing saving needs to just be CoW during the async save

[blazing halo]

But UE doesn't seem to be the greatest about this particular aspect. Every UE game seems to develop its own scheme. ARK just blindly saves big chunks of RAM. Conan saves all actions to an SQLite database as they happen. Satisfactory collates vis-a-vis template and serializes. ATLAS runs a Redis database (since it also needs to sync up to other "shards" running the same game).

[next vapor]

and commit the CoW data to the game state upon completion. user would never notice

[blazing halo]

It is something I proposed at some point, but considering how much RAM the game is using at any one time, it would probably be happening a lot.

[next vapor]

i mean, saves take a few seconds. a few seconds of CoW data to maintain state consistency seems minimal

and the squishing of that data back to the core state could also be async

[blazing halo]

Doing a delayed "shadow" that would, at worst, lose a few seconds of gameplay, would also be an idea.

But hey, I'm not a dev, not my decision.

[next vapor]

I'm a dev, just not for this game 😛

[blazing halo]

Again. Not a dev for this game. ;P

I'm also a dev, just not for games. ;P

(and let's assume that establishes me some street cred, ha ha)

[next vapor]

i've done work on tons of projects, including some games

[blazing halo]

What I'm trying to say is: we can moan 'till the cows come home. At the end of said day, it's still not up to us.

[next vapor]

I mean, I can hope the right person hears the moaning

[blazing halo]

But does it have to happen in the DS channel? 😂

[next vapor]

or I guess I could apply for an internship at Coffee Stain and do it myself

😄

[blazing halo]

Yes, you could. ;] Though I doubt you'd be given memory management to tinker with. xD

More likely than not, you'd probably sift through bug reports. :D

(though it'd be a great position to submit a few of your own... :D)

[next vapor]

first Monday after my first week: "What'd you do this weekend?" "Oh um... not much. I refactored the entire game core and made it 10x more efficient. That's about it."

[blazing halo]

Considering that save time has been a point of unrest for months, and the devs have been actively working on it, I'm pretty sure they're aware of the problem.

[blazing halo]

But hey, in that vein...

[next vapor]

They did multithread saves at some point, which improved times a bit, but there's still way too much lock contention for it to be the speedup it could be

[blazing halo]

Catch: nee.lv/2021/02/28/How-I-cut-GTA-Online-loading-times-by-70/

You could also make a QA posting with some suggestions, dev-to-dev, on possible solutions to this problem. Chances are they've considered all of them already, but you never know (as this link proves, sometimes there's a muppet doing something important).

[next vapor]

yeah, I've spent a minor amount of time poking around at Satisfactory in IDA, but I'd rather the devs do these things and me spend my limited free time enjoying the game vs fixing it hehe

i haven't done a QA for a year or so (last was asking for an autosave notice on multiplayer... haha)

it didnt get much traction

[blazing halo]

tl;dr that link: GTA Online did a parse on JSON with thousands of shop items, and not only was their parser naive - it also ran client-side dedup...

[next vapor]

yeah I remember reading about this

[blazing halo]

I was reading that and weeping.

Reminds me of the YandereSim if()elseif()elseif()... chains xD

Because why would you do a scheduler, or an event pump, or just a LUT, if you can check every single actor, every game tick, always.

More reliable, right? xD

[next vapor]

lol

I wonder if there's anyone at modern game studios that even knows how to do assembly level optimizations on such things

[blazing halo]

I would wager there's always That Guy, but... honestly? Likely not, and likely a good thing.

[next vapor]

really?

I feel like given a week of solid work I could cut the bloat off this game by a LOT

[blazing halo]

I sincerely doubt it. Most of the "bloat" is in Unreal Engine, to be honest.

And not just any bloat, list bloat.

Everything in this game is a list.

Usually of lists.

[next vapor]

yeah UE is bloat, but based on what the game uses the most there's tons of room for optimization

[blazing halo]

You know what?

Do some optims. Present your results. Contact CSS.

[next vapor]

for example, I recently discovered that using just a handful of programable splitters I can break the UObject limit lol

like... who designed that?

AND thought it was a good plan

[blazing halo]

Usually unintended side-effect of flexibility. But eh.

You should know how it is.

:D

But seriously. Contact CSS and give them a few ideas. Much more useful than griping about it. Much less grating, too. ;)

[next vapor]

usually when I'm up against something that's very open ended like that, I optimize the hell out of it

shrugs

[blazing halo]

Maybe you're the guy they've been waiting for? Who knows.

[next vapor]

this is their discord, so, I'm technically contacting them 😛

[blazing halo]

Put that smart back in your ass. ;)

Step up or shut up time. :)

[next vapor]

I actually have contacted them previously, and later even did so through a game studio I did some work for. they.... seem uninterested in fixing backend things

[blazing halo]

Well, can't really help there.

[next vapor]

which I guess makes sense. gotta keep the hype machine going

which doesn't generally include backend improvements

[blazing halo]

But might I suggest #satisfactory instead? Much wider audience, much more active community... Devs talk there too, sometimes.

[next vapor]

maybe. but most of my gripes are with the dedicated server, so haha

[blazing halo]

Or, or, you could help us debug some of the crashes we see on the DS!

I can read logs and stacks, somewhat, but I can't use IDA for shit. Your skills would be useful in generating much more useful QA reports.

If you want to, I mean. Nobody's forcing anybody here, we're all donating our time.

Something to think about.

[next vapor]

maybe. surprisingly, aside from some of the early EA releases crashing from blueprints, I haven't actually had our server crash lately

just client side crashes

[blazing halo]

There's a particularly persistent crash, actually.

Anyway... I was supposed to go to bed two hours ago.

You feel like chipping in at any point, the floor's always open.

[drowsy heron]

why is nuclear power such a pain

[sinful axle]

Is there a way to set the time that the server restarts the game?? seems to happen every 24 hours at the most inopportune time.

[blazing halo]

There's a setting to change the interval, but I don't know if it even works at all... All I do know is that you can adopt a simple rule: whenever you join the server, the auto-restart is 30 minutes from then. 🤣

It just is. 😂

[blazing halo]

Because, in all honesty? It kind of is.

[dreamy minnow]

so im running a server on linux and i cant seem to find the ServerSettings.ini in the file located on the Fandom Wiki, did this get removed?

[blazing halo]

Have you actually started it yet?

[dreamy minnow]

yup

and joined it

[blazing halo]

Did you shut it down at least once?

[dreamy minnow]

yup sure did

[blazing halo]

Then you're likely looking in the wrong place.

Where are you looking?

[dreamy minnow]

FactoryGame/Saved/Config/LinuxServer/

[blazing halo]

Of...?

[dreamy minnow]

of the host machine

[blazing halo]

You could be looking in ~/.config/Epic/FactoryGame/..., so I'm asking.

[dreamy minnow]

nope dont have it through Epic, the server is on a completely different machine and is hosting from SteamCMD

[blazing halo]

The answer I was expecting here was either "the install directory of the server" or "the config location of the user".

[blazing halo]

Yeah, they all put their shit there. It used to be offered through EPIC exclusively. That's where it's configured to put its files.

[dreamy minnow]

ok so if its on a dedi server it should be in that location tho, correct?

[blazing halo]

But no, the .ini files are kept in the DS install folder.

[dreamy minnow]

ok thats what i thought

this is all i have in there

[blazing halo]

What do you need to change, by the way?

[dreamy minnow]

tbh just a tinking around and looking since i just booted it today but i noticed i was missing that file

[blazing halo]

It's possibly not there because you haven't changed any settings that go into that file.

[dreamy minnow]

ok that would make sense then, i have ran multiple different game servers and i know they create files differently so just checking tho

[blazing halo]

Sure, sure.

[dreamy minnow]

but the only settings ive changed is the Auto Pause when No Players and Auto Save on player exit and Player Count

oh and the Auto Sort nventory but i did that in the GUS.ini

[blazing halo]

Mine has

[/Script/FactoryGame.FGServerSubsystem]
mAutoPause=False
mAutoSaveOnDisconnect=True
mUsePacketRouting=False

so I guess that's what goes in there.

[dreamy minnow]

yeah all of those are in my GUS.ini

[blazing halo]

You change it to true?

[dreamy minnow]

yes

[blazing halo]

Hmm... Can you test it for me, then?

[dreamy minnow]

as soon as i start building which will be tonight

[blazing halo]

I assume you've played the game some?

[dreamy minnow]

just started tbh

[blazing halo]

Oh.

Then I would advise turning it back to false.

[dreamy minnow]

had it for about 4 days and tinkered

why is that

[blazing halo]

Because there's currently a bug with the inventory where,

if you sort the inventory after picking up something radioactive,

the radioactivity won't clear when you (re)move the radioactive items,

necessitating a death/respawn to clear.

[dreamy minnow]

ahhh, i will deactivate it then

[blazing halo]

I don't know if it'll happen on autosorting, though, so I wanted to have you test it. ;)

[dreamy minnow]

yeah im not that far yet lol

[blazing halo]

Shouldn't they go into ServerSettings.ini tho'?

[dreamy minnow]

this is whats in my GUS.ini

thats how it was installed as well, maybe its a linux thing??

[blazing halo]

So, literally none of those settings are in your GUS.ini

[dreamy minnow]

no all of them are in my GUS.ini but i dont have a ServerSettings.ini

[blazing halo]

I don't see any of those 3 settings in your screenshot.

[dreamy minnow]

yeah so those settings are not...let me reverse the ticks through the UI and see if that file gets created

[blazing halo]

It should, I think.

[dreamy minnow]

we will see

[blazing halo]

You likely won't have mUsePacketRouting=false.

(you'd need to use either -DisablePacketRouting or -multihome=... to get it)

[dreamy minnow]

ok

[blazing halo]

You likely want to use those, by the way. I assume you know your way around port forwards, since it's much simpler than even bash.

Meaning, you probably don't want the internal router getting in the way, and it's likely useless to you anyway.

[dreamy minnow]

yup i have a pfsense fw so i have to lol

[blazing halo]

Then I'd recommend disabling packet routing (it's enabled by default). Should cut down on headaches connecting.

[dreamy minnow]

ok sounds good

[blazing halo]

If you don't care about IPv6, -multihome=0.0.0.0 will take care of that as well.

(as you would expect)

[dreamy minnow]

i think multi is already in my config but i will double check

[blazing halo]

I assume you mean the launch command, there.

(because if you find which .ini it goes into and it works, do share)

[dreamy minnow]

yes

yup thats what it was, i guess since i had them ticked when i first started the server it just didnt create it

[blazing halo]

So, it only makes that file if changes to defaults are made... but creates all the other ones regardless. Interesting.

[dreamy minnow]

yup

and it created this

so leave mUsePacketRouting=False

[blazing halo]

That will probably do it.

[dreamy minnow]

as far as multihome goes this is what i have so it seems to meet what you were talking about

[blazing halo]

Ah, LGSM.

[dreamy minnow]

yup

[blazing halo]

Someone should tell these guys that neither -log nor -unattended are necessary for Linux,

as they're implied.

At least they didn't cargo-copy the ?listen :D

[dreamy minnow]

i typically use them when i cant get my hands on a Server Manager for windows

so i can remove those 2 settings then

[blazing halo]

Yes. They're important on Windows (I already posted a QA to make the Windows version behave in-line), but not so much on Linux.

I mean, I'd like to see you try "losing" the terminal window... xD

[dreamy minnow]

gotcha

true

[blazing halo]

You can disconnect from stdout/stderr, but closing the parent process... heh. Good luck.

[dreamy minnow]

yeah true well they have been removed

and server restarted just to make sure

[blazing halo]

Also...

... you assumed I'm on Windows, right? :D

[dreamy minnow]

nope im dont assum unless you tell me

[blazing halo]

What about this? ;D

I mean, I just find it entertaining, is all.

[dreamy minnow]

coming from the Ark days...Windows would create files that Linux wouldnt

[blazing halo]

Wouldn't really know. :D

[dreamy minnow]

yeah thats why i said that tho

[blazing halo]

Nice to know...

[dreamy minnow]

thanks tho i appricate the help

lol

[blazing halo]

I didn't dare try hosting ARK on Windows... xD

It eats RAM like I eat KFC.

[dreamy minnow]

i have multiple times with cross trvel servers as well

but it does love some ram

Ive also ran a 15x15 Atlas server which is just Ark with Pirates and that thing loves Ram

[blazing halo]

Did it confiscate items on travel too? 😂

[blazing halo]

Oh I KNOW...

Still, 15x15 huh... that's industrial-size.

[dreamy minnow]

no i fixed all that, it was a pain to fix but i fixed it

[blazing halo]

Care to share?

[dreamy minnow]

well most of it has a lot to do with the Engrams you have unlocked, if you have all of them unlocked then you and your items are getting stuck

[blazing halo]

.. don't tell me - inventories are sent after the Engrams,

and the damn buffer overflows and fucks it up?

_<

[dreamy minnow]

but i had setup an external Storage that all the servers pointed to instead of the internal folder and synced it with the paid version of GoodSync and it just seemed to work

yup the buffer overflows for Ark suck

[blazing halo]

Huh... how would that help? I'm confused.

Why would an external folder be better than an internal one?

[dreamy minnow]

im not sure how it worked but once i told them to limit their engrams to a certain number which i cant remember now and i set up goodsync i never had another issue

[blazing halo]

Then I assume it's the Engram limit that did it.

I mean, the other option makes no sense.

[dreamy minnow]

that is the biggest issue

i agree it doesnt but since it worked i never touched it again lol

[blazing halo]

... having something that works but you don't know why is just as bad as something that doesn't... xD

[dreamy minnow]

you could travel with nothing in your inventory but all engrams unlocked and you would lose your character

you have any luck installing mods on the server yet?

[blazing halo]

Mods are currently not compatible with the DS, sorry.

[dreamy minnow]

yeah i keep reading mixed comments about that so figured i would ask

[blazing halo]

I can explain in a mo, on the phone with my boss atm.

Yeah, okay.

So... long story short: the server is capable of running mods, just like the base game.

However...

All of the mods currently in existence, every last one, all have a common dependency - SML, Satisfactory Mod Loader.

[dreamy minnow]

yup

[blazing halo]

And that is not DS-compatible.

[dreamy minnow]

so they would need to make a DSSML or make that one compatible

[blazing halo]

Pretty much, yeah.

I'm told they're working on the tooling, and they also want to make SMM available for the server at the same time.

[dreamy minnow]

yeah i mod a few games so i get it, just finding the time and people to do it

[blazing halo]

(though I would argue that I don't give a hoot about the SMM)

(and I sincerely hope they include a CLI version, because no X)

But eh. It's just one guy, as far as I know.

So...

They say "Soon™️" but they've been saying that for months.

[dreamy minnow]

yeah thats a lot for one person

sounds like the typically response from every game dev

[blazing halo]

I think they just don't have anyone who wants it on the DS.

You know how it is. You want something done...

[dreamy minnow]

yup sure is

[blazing halo]

If you're playing on EX and have the game on STEAM, you may also want to consider making a copy of your EX client (or downloading it via steamcmd as well). Some updates are... better than others.

You'd need to make a script that would temporarily rename the game's folder (since STEAM launches the App ID and not the .exe you ran). One is also available somewhere in #1038092680493801533.

[dreamy minnow]

sounds like another reason i dont like steam

[blazing halo]

Still better than EPIC. :D

[dreamy minnow]

true

[blazing halo]

And hey, games were moving towards this sort of always-online thing anyway, because there's money to be made there. So I guess I'm actually glad that there's a middle-man that sets some rules.

(and also one that's big enough to actually enforce them, and not outright fold when something bad happens)

[dreamy minnow]

yeah you have a point there

[blazing halo]

I'm not saying they're great. I'm saying that it could've been much worse.

But hey, there's GOG, so it's not all terrible.

[dreamy minnow]

Oh yeah it could have been way worse

[median zealot]

Discovered the "offline player" post crash bug yesterday, lol... buddy and I both crashed in the same spot while jet packing, which resulted in a sitting, coffee drinking 'ghost' scooting across the desert at mach 5

Did manage to get our stuff back though, but chasing them down was pretty funny

[frosty gale]

Hey

I tried installing an experimental server

and it crashes on startup

[blazing halo]

Log?

[frosty gale]

All I did were two commands.

[frosty gale]

where are they saved?

[blazing halo]

Install folder/FactoryGame/Saved/Logs

[frosty gale]

Is it bad to install the server in /home/user/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer?

[blazing halo]

I personally wouldn't, but it's a preference I suppose.

[frosty gale]

https://pastebin.com/WzkPyd1G

[frosty gale]

were are they usually stored?

All I did was this
steamcmd +force_install_dir ~/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer +login anonymous +app_update 1690800 -beta experimental validate +quit
and
./FactoryServer.sh

literally

Didn't configure anything

and also installed base-devel

Running on arch linux

[blazing halo]

Okay, so this looks like you somehow hit Ctrl+C when it was starting.

I see no other explanation. It started a normal shutdown the moment it finished startup.

[frosty gale]

Nope

I definitely didn't

Tried it again

[blazing halo]

Ah no, wait

there it is.

[2022.11.29-20.37.56:286][ 0]LogServer: Error: Failed to initialize server. Could not bind any addresses to port '15777'.This is very likely caused by another server instance already running. Use a different port number with the -ServerQueryPort=<port> startup argument if you intend to run multiple instances.

[frosty gale]

wha

something is already bound to 15777

dafuq

ok

[blazing halo]

Preceded by

[2022.11.29-20.37.56:286][  0]LogServer: Bound Server Query Socket to address '[::]:15777'
[2022.11.29-20.37.56:286][  0]LogServer: Bound Server Query Socket to address '[::]:15777'
[2022.11.29-20.37.56:286][  0]LogServer: Bound Server Query Socket to address '[::]:15777'
[2022.11.29-20.37.56:286][  0]LogServer: Bound Server Query Socket to address '0.0.0.0:15777'
[2022.11.29-20.37.56:286][  0]LogServer: Bound Server Query Socket to address '0.0.0.0:15777'
[2022.11.29-20.37.56:286][  0]LogServer: Bound Server Query Socket to address '0.0.0.0:15777'

[frosty gale]

Where can i change the port?

[blazing halo]

Can you check if there's something already running on that port, though?

[frosty gale]

how?

[blazing halo]

How do you mean how?

ss? netstat?

[frosty gale]

sorry i'm not a linux guy

[blazing halo]

ss -nlup | grep 15777

[blazing halo]

ss -nlup | grep pid=17082

[frosty gale]

Is there a satisfactory server running in the background???

there is

what

why?

[blazing halo]

cat /proc/17082/cmdline

[blazing halo]

Does that answer your question?

[frosty gale]

Umm

I'm confused

Ok so i killed that UE4 server in the backgounrd

and now it works

sorry

[blazing halo]

Meh, you're not a Linux guy. ;)

[frosty gale]

Thanks!

And thanks for being understanding 🙂

[blazing halo]

Do you intend to run the game on the public Internet? ;)

Because if so - don't worry, I have a whole tirade about people doing shit they know nothing about ready to go at a moment's notice, if you're lacking spice in your conversations. ;]

But eh, we all start somewhere, right? The key being to actually learn something. So... go, learn.

[frosty gale]

yeah

Also a fun thing, I connected to the server, claimed it, named it

Everything was cool

Then I selected a starting area

and the server "appears to be offline"

[blazing halo]

Yeah, it needs a minute to bring the game up.

Word of ... a bit of a late warning: when the game is loading or saving the game,

[frosty gale]

Oh, is that normal?

[blazing halo]

it disregards any and all communication,

incl. administration and players.

[frosty gale]

oh ok cool

[blazing halo]

So yeah, if you start getting disconnected with timeouts and your save time approaches 30s, that's why.

[frosty gale]

I mean, hopefully save time isn't that bad with an empty world lol.

Also, does read/write speed matter at all in terms of performance?

[blazing halo]

No. Not unless you'd like it to load a little faster, anyway.

[frosty gale]

What about how long it takes to load in the map as a player that connects to the server?

[blazing halo]

That's all client-side.

[frosty gale]

Ok cool

thanks

How long does it usually take to create the map?

[blazing halo]

... about 20s or so?

20-30.

[frosty gale]

Well it's been like two minutes

and the console hasn't moved

and the server is still offline

And I don't have a slow pc

[blazing halo]

What do you mean?

[frosty gale]

it's been stuck here

[blazing halo]

Restart the game client.

[frosty gale]

oh

[blazing halo]

No,

that's not a fix.

Restart it, as in "please do that".

Let's see if it connects back. If not, we'll try other things.

The game sometimes gets it in its head that the server it's looking at is "dead", and no prodding will convince it otherwise. Restarting the client clears it.

(so does deleting and re-adding the server, but restarting is less issue-prone ;P)

[blazing halo]

@frosty gale and?

[cerulean kestrel]

sorry, new to setting up servers, any help?

[blazing halo]

It tells you everything you need to know.

You have a version mismatch.

Since both of those are EX builds, your server is simply out of date.

[cerulean kestrel]

sorry should of mentioned i am using gportal to host, and cant seem to figure out how to get it to update

[blazing halo]

Ask GPortal.

[cerulean kestrel]

not sure why you hang out in a server to be all salty. my main concern was trying to figure out if the dedicated server software had been updated to the latest version of the client as i imagine all their updates are automated. was mostly asking to see if it was a common issue or if anyone knew a work around

[blazing halo]

I'm not sure why you assume I'm salty. Are you projecting your own expectation at me? If so, you seem to expect me to be salty... which would mean that you know damn well that a) we can't help you with GPortal because we don't have any way to access their stuff, and b) asking for volunteer help with a paid service is bad form.

Also, word of advice: if you look for workarounds for their bad service instead of taking it to them directly, that does nothing to encourage them to improve their service.

And finally: have you tried restarting their server? Because from what I've seen, most hosts include the auto-update command in the pre-startup script.

Since the update dropped like 25 minutes ago, it may take a hot minute to get recognised...

[blazing halo]

And for the record: you could have stated all this up-front. Certainly would've made it look more like asking for advice than unpaid support.

So yeah, now I'm "salty".

[shy portal]

Hello, I have an issue with my server where several instances are trying to start at the same time, all the time

[blazing halo]

Platform?

[shy portal]

debian11

[blazing halo]

How did you set it up?

[shy portal]

steamcmd

[blazing halo]

Any systemd units?

(did you set it up as an auto-starting system service?)

[shy portal]

yes

[blazing halo]

What does the systemd log journal say?

[shy portal]

you mean when I do systemctl status satisfactory?

[blazing halo]

How about journalctl -u satisfactory -b?

[shy portal]

it says a lot of things x)

[blazing halo]

... care to share its wisdom?

[shy portal]

how can I share the logs easily?

[blazing halo]

How about just the tail end of it?

Also, anything in journalctl -xe?

[shy portal]

wasn't the end xD

[blazing halo]

Yeah, that looks like the beginning of the service startup.

I have a suspicion as to what's going on, though.

[blazing halo]

Okay. Next portion?

[blazing halo]

That's all?

[shy portal]

there's stuff before but not after

[blazing halo]

Okay...

Is it currently running?

Because that kinda sorta looks like it is.

[shy portal]

yeah it's always running

but in server manager it shows offline

[blazing halo]

ss -nlup | grep 15777 please

[blazing halo]

Well, it looks like it's up and running.

[shy portal]

no answer

[blazing halo]

Okay. Let's assume the server is hale and hearty for now. Why did you say several instances are trying to start at the same time, all the time?

Because that looks like it's started up and running. Once.

[shy portal]

ok I thought that was multiple process

also somebody suggested it on an other server

[blazing halo]

F2 -> Display options -> check (space) "Hide userland process threads" -> F10

Does that help?

[shy portal]

yeah there's just one now

[blazing halo]

Cool.

Now what's this about it showing offline?

[shy portal]

but then why is the server idle

[blazing halo]

Define "idle".

[shy portal]

I can't connect on it from the server manager

[blazing halo]

Where is this server located?

[shy portal]

next room

[blazing halo]

Network-wise? :D

[shy portal]

xD

it's connected to the box and I use NAT to redirect everything to it

[blazing halo]

So, from those two answers I think I can safely assume it means it's in the same LAN, right?

[shy portal]

yeah

[blazing halo]

What address are you connecting to?

[shy portal]

Last week end it was working fine, meaning I could connect to it in LAN, and then asked somebody else to connect to it with the public ip adress, both worked

[blazing halo]

Cool.

What address are you connecting to?

[shy portal]

90.55.219.66

[blazing halo]

I think I can see your problem, Bob.

From here. :D

[dreamy minnow]

i had to use internal address to connect

[blazing halo]

From behind your own NAT, sure.

[dreamy minnow]

yup

outside ip when at work

[blazing halo]

Makes sense.

[dreamy minnow]

sure does

[blazing halo]

So, where was the problem?

[dreamy minnow]

mine i didnt have any but im assuming your pointing to portforwarding or the ufw firewall

[blazing halo]

Let's recap, shall we?

Does it work when you're at home, and connect to it via LAN?

[shy portal]

no 😢

[blazing halo]

Okay, that is a problem.

[shy portal]

I've tried with the local ip and the public ip

both find the server, but both are showing it "idle"

[blazing halo]

Don't try with the public IP.

Without specific setup (look up NAT loopback), it won't work. By design.

[shy portal]

I think I get it

but tonight I had somebody try to connect to it and it was the same issue

[blazing halo]

From inside LAN, always use the LAN address. Public IP is to be used when outside your network.

As for connectivity, I can see it responding on ports 15000 and 7777. Port 15777 can't be tested manually, but if the other two work - I assume it works as well.

[shy portal]

do you have a command to test it ?

[blazing halo]

I just use netcat.

Taking advantage of the fact that the Beacon port will reply with BCON to any 4-letter string, and the Game port will reply with GAME to any 4-letter string.

[shy portal]

but yeah I followed all the wiki instructions to open all 3 ports

[blazing halo]

Okay.

First off - restart your game client. See if it resolves the issue. Low chance, but the client sometimes gets silly ideas that it doesn't want to let go of.

[shy portal]

oh I've done that more than a few times but okay xD

[blazing halo]

If it works this time, I have an AI koan to tell you. :D

[shy portal]

same

[blazing halo]

Okay.

Time to bring out the log.

[shy portal]

I can give you ssh access in private if you want to take a look

[blazing halo]

Sure.

[frosty gale]

Oh sorry, yeah everything works great!

[smoky flicker]

dedi is crashing a bunch after patch

[blazing halo]

Any "last words", as it were?

[blazing halo]

AKA "does the log say anything"?