dedicated-servers

[blazing halo]

But that's getting into the details, which I don't honestly have.

I remember reading that the tickrate is "like FPS, but for the server". At the time, I thought "what bullshit, there's a lot more that goes into it than that".

Today, I can say that it's a very good "simple" explanation for it. :D

Because at the end of the day, yeah kinda.

By the way -- docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/API/Runtime/Engine/GameFramework/AGameNetworkManager/ - this is the specific doc you were thinking of, I believe.

Also, you can post URLs... as long as they're not links. Thankfully, we're intelligent beings and don't need them to be clickable. ;) The spam detection isn't very sophisticated, and I suppose it's meant to combat outright spam without necessarily being too limiting.

[grim mica]

Ah, the bot deleted it and then the deleted message disappeared before I had a chance to fully read it

[blazing halo]

So, at the end of the day... "yes and no". Part of it is the CPU performance. Another part is the fact that the game is configured to be this way on purpose, because requirements scale with the build size, and you don't want the minimum to exhaust your hardware capabilities.

[blazing halo]

They don't outright say it, no. Spammers won't care to experiment and see what the limits are - they'll just move on. And so, its job is done. If you want to make money from clicks (which is the usual point), you don't have time to research and defeat anti-spam (which would likely give you no benefit, because that's what moderators are for... ;P).

[verbal spoke]

you rang?

[white cosmos]

I just want to set it to "meltdown" settings on my CPU, gotta heat the house somehow

[blazing halo]

Thank you for being my visual aid! That's so cool! :D

[blazing halo]

I think literally setting yourself on fire might be the cheaper option this winter...

[grim mica]

I played with OCing my dedicated machine but even going up to 5Ghz only dropped the save time by a second at most, I think my machine is memory bandwidth limited by the ddr4-2133 in there

[blazing halo]

Honestly? I think the game is simply unoptimised. And it's likely that, with the way they're doing things, it may never be optimised enough to be long-term viable.

Thankfully, it's still in Early Access.

But make no mistake: the focus is very clearly on the single-player aspect of gameplay.

[white cosmos]

I mean it's what you said before, the game loop is limited to a single core, no matter how much splintering off they do to other cores, at the end of the day, the one single core has to perform so many ticks in a second.

[blazing halo]

Unfortunately.

Which is why I thought that splitting the main loop into a number of separate loops - and then pushing them to other cores - might help a bit.

But it won't solve the save-time issue. If they're doing what I think they're doing - it can't be solved, because the process freezes the entire memory in order to take a snapshot.

I hope they're either already working with shadow copies, or they will.

The basic idea is: trade space in for time; keep a second copy of the state in RAM, and when time comes to save the game - decouple it from the main copy, and save that. That way, it kinda doesn't matter how long the save takes, at the cost of potentially losing some progress if the game crashes. But that is always true to some extent, so I don't see any downsides, apart from doubling memory use (worst-case).

[white cosmos]

yeah but then you either have to clone everything in real time in ram, or at save time clone all of your save state, which would still pause the game, albeit much shorter, and then save

[blazing halo]

Clone in real time.

[white cosmos]

what happens during the save time then? Save-copy is saving, can't mutate, but players are still playing for 90 seconds

[blazing halo]

It may introduce some small stutters, yes - but that would be outweighed by not having to drop connections because the game is too busy saving itself to bother replying to clients.

[blazing halo]

Yes. Meaning: whatever happens in those 90 seconds will be saved in the next autosave.

[grim mica]

The problem is Windows doesnt really let you do that

You can do that in Linux however, maybe that could be an experimental feature they could enable in the future

[blazing halo]

Replicating the last-90-seconds should still be simpler/less consuming than making the whole thing.

But having a copy means the scheduler could just dispatch it, and wouldn't get stuck saving the game.

That could be done by a separate thread.

[white cosmos]

Right, but for those 90 seconds you'd have to stack up every change to the game state, or after the save you'd have to re-clone the ram, pausing the game again. It just gets hairy real fast, which is probably why they're at "Just pause the game during the save"

[blazing halo]

You'd have to rely on manually-managed copies, yes -- something platform-agnostic. It would mean extra work, but that work would accrue instead of needing to happen in one shot.

[grim mica]

The kernel-level function that does that is called fork

[blazing halo]

It's much more complex, I agree. But you can essentially "mark" areas as "dirty" for this purpose, and then replicate them as you go along, syncing the two copies again.

[blazing halo]

Um, what?

PCNTL forking?

[grim mica]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork–exec

[blazing halo]

No, no no no no no.

That's not what I meant at all. No replicating execution.

[white cosmos]

Oh god we're getting into my systems class lol, does forking preserve the RAM state though? I thought it literally just spun up a new process

[blazing halo]

I'm not talking about spawning children here.

[white cosmos]

well kind of, in a new proc or a new thread, either could be spun off to save

[blazing halo]

Besides, that is also a form of one-shot duplication, even if it can use COW.

No. The game would need to create a rudimentary memory manager.

Do indirect allocations, so that the manager can track the changes.

Yes - as it is right now, this would have pitiable performance.

But they keep improving the game's code.

So it may become a viable option down the road, especially if the devs are considering this approach already.

Also, keep in mind that they only need to save the changes from a core base state (the map as it exists). They already do that - that's what all of those "errors" about empty areas are about.

[white cosmos]

that is in talks I believe, a delta save, but again much more complex. Needs to know what changed from X to X1 so it can just save that portion

[blazing halo]

They could actually take a yet another approach, but it's risky. Incremental saving.

(each save would only retain the changes between the previous and next saves)

This is risky, because any corruption will cascade into gibberish, and rebuild performance must be taken into account (i.e. initial save state loading), since it would need to be "replayed" like a log.

Still, it's an option.

It helps that there're only a handful of "connections" that need to be retained (the game doesn't require you to have foundations to "prop things up"), and they're all position-based as well... so the entire thing can already be considered like a big array, or a bitmap.

(which works well with how RAM actually works... :D)

[sour temple]

Hello, a friend and I are looking for a server to join something that will be up all the time and we can start a new game together. How can i set this up or join one? Thanks

[blazing halo]

If you have a spare PC with a remotely contemporary CPU inside it, you can set it up to run Linux and install the dedicated server on it (you will need basic networking knowlegde, and basic computer administration knowledge; the server can run on Windows, but Windows has a higher RAM overhead). If you don't have such a PC, don't have nor want the knowledge on how to run a server, or would rather not pay for the electricity - you can always purchase a turnkey server from one of the hosting companies out there (I can't tell you which company to choose, but I can recommend against Nitrado (because they're scum), and G-Portal (because they're idiots... or actively trying to lock you in - in which case they're probably scum too)).

Word of note: the modding community does not currently support the server. As such, running the server with mods is currently impossible. If a company claims they support it - they're lying.

[mental locust]

😂

[wild pulsar]

I am trying to set up a dedicated server on a separate linux machine again, but I cannot figure out what it means when it says “not in the sudoers file” when installing steamcmd. The first time that I set up a server, I did not have this issue, and I know very little about Linux on how to actually fix this. Does

*Does anyone know how to fix this issue?

[marsh dawn]

Looks like Steamcmd is not allowed to run sudo commands .

[wild pulsar]

I reset everything followed the install wiki that they provided to a tee and it still did not work

[marsh dawn]

How are you installing steamcmd?

[wild pulsar]

Linux terminal

[marsh dawn]

apt ?

[wild pulsar]

After creating a steam user

Yes, apt

[marsh dawn]

so you're logged in as the "steam" user?

[wild pulsar]

Yes

[marsh dawn]

usermod -aG sudo <username>

you need to do this as root btw, just an fyi.

[wild pulsar]

sorry for the delay, I just connected my server PC to my main desktop

I will try that now

This does not seem to work

response: "steam is not in the sudoers file. This incident\ will be reported."

This is what I cannot get past

[marsh dawn]

Also, after using usermod, you have to re-log to make it take effect. Or restart the session manager, but re-logging is the easiest.

[wild pulsar]

Thank you for your efforts trying to help, but it turns out we just lost power

So I will have to come back to this later

[blazing halo]

Why are you installing stuff by a non-root user?

"not in the sudoers file" is a message that the user you're logged in as does not have permissions to run any command through sudo. Users in the sudo group should theoretically be able to bypass this, but I am not sure if that's still the case. sudoers is actually a more flexible way of doing this, because you can not only specify how the user must authenticate, but also what specific commands they can run (even without a password authentication, if you so wish - this is helpful for shutdown and reboot ;P).

At any rate, doing anything via sudo with that user won't work until this is rectified. You can't do it via sudo, so you will need to fully authenticate as root using su -.

Notably: steamcmd does not require sudo privileges (in fact, I would recommend not running it as root/with elevated privileges). It does its work best when being ran under the user that's supposed to run the executables afterwards (as it will then create the appropriate privileges as it installs the software).

In general, the flow is:

$ su -
Password:
# apt update
# apt install steamcmd
# exit
$ steamcmd install...

If you happen to run as root by default (for example by sitting at the terminal, or via key-auth SSH), create a user steam and then su steam into it to run steamcmd and the various game servers.

[blazing halo]

^

Also, I find it hilarious that people propose sudo su - before apt install sudo... :D Good luck with that.

(sudo no longer comes installed by default; if you don't need it - and you usually don't - then don't install it)

[wild pulsar]

The steamcmd install guide recommended that I create a steam user

This is the user that is considered a non-root user

I will try the install again on my main user

[blazing halo]

Yes - to install and run the game. Installing steamcmd itself requires root privileges.

It may also get installed to a weird location you don't have in your path (which steamcmd). You can either add it to your path, or just ln -s it to /usr/bin and call it a day.

[inner onyx]

Yeah, but run steamcmd from the Steam user. I did all this yesterday and I will do it again in a few minutes because I'm also installing CentOS on my home server. Yesterday I did it on an Azure server.

And indeed, you first need to add steam user as a sudoer. Which you need to do as 'user' root. Just like @marsh dawn already mentioned I see

[blazing halo]

Personally, I see little merit in adding steam to sudo users.

In fact, it's a potential security risk. Not a huge one (unless there's a 0-day in sudo and a vuln in whatever game the user is running, which combined would allow for privilege escalation), but it's there.

In practice, whatever you can do via sudo you can just as easily do via su -, without having to potentially compromise root privileges.

The idea is to separate areas of influence/concern, not combine them.

[zinc scarab]

Hello, does anyone have any website recommendations for satisfactory dedicated servers I can rent?

[naive hill]

i'm trying to set up a dedicated server on windows using steamcmd but as soon as I attempt to start the server it exits. Anyone around who might be able to help me figure this out?

[proper thicket]

Is anyone able to see of they can join my server?

[naive hill]

Issue resolved. Couldn't get a server installed through steamcmd to work, but got it working installing directly from steam

[marsh dawn]

Good point 🙂

[blazing halo]

The server doesn't actually exit, it continues running but the terminal window closes. :(

Any subsequent tries do exit, because there's already a copy running...........

[earnest willow]

how would blueprints work on dedicated server? would it save on the server

[blazing halo]

Not sure what you're asking about, there.

[earnest willow]

When update 7 releases and I make blueprints, would they be on the dedicated server or my pc

[karmic merlin]

i think its too early too tell

i have the same question

[earnest willow]

Ok

[karmic merlin]

best wait till the update drops on experimental

and provide them with the feedback

[blazing halo]

Oh, it's an upcoming feature?

No clue, and no point in trying to divine it.

We'll see what happens when it drops.

[karmic merlin]

yeah see the social media channel, the video is posted there

[blazing halo]

Ah, that's one of the channels I don't really look at. Thanks.

[grim mica]

Based on what has been shown to us so far - BPs are saved locally on your machine

Does not seem that they would be sharable on the dedicated natively in-game as they arent saved with the world

But as Kad said, just speculation.. we dont know what we dont know 😄

[blazing halo]

^

[inner onyx]

So, the dedicated server actually doesn't mitigate the save pause, it just teleports me back to where I was. Is it supposed to do that?

[blazing halo]

I doubt it's "supposed to", but it does that. What sort of mitigation were you looking for?

(it literally pauses the entire game while saving, and unfortunately that includes handling user input, or indeed replying that it's still alive back to the client)

[rapid hemlock]

Im trying to setup a satisfactory server, but I cannot get my server to show up for people outside of my LAN

I have a port forwarding software pointing my ip to a domain, as well as the port

but I get a server error

[blazing halo]

Is your WAN IP actually public?

[rapid hemlock]

should be

[blazing halo]

Can you please verify?

[rapid hemlock]

im at a college so it can get blocked

but

im using a port forwarding hosting service

yet it still is not working

im usisng localtonet

[blazing halo]

What sort of "port forwarding hosting service", that's a first for me...

Ah, it's a reverse proxy.

[rapid hemlock]

localtonet

[blazing halo]

Yeah, it likely won't work.

[rapid hemlock]

there you go

why not

[blazing halo]

This game doesn't like proxies of any sort.

It runs UDP encryption, so I'm thinking it's related to that.

[rapid hemlock]

i see

so what would you say I could do

to fix this

[blazing halo]

If your IP isn't public (which, in that case, it likely isn't)... not much.

You can ask your IT admin to forward some ports to you, but it's entirely possible that they frown upon running services in the network.

Shouldn't hurt to ask, though.

Tell them that they need to be 1:1, i.e. whatever input they set, it needs to match the forward.

(as far as I can tell, anyway... should re-test that with Update 6)

All three ports can be changed now, so you're no longer locked to port 15000.

[rapid hemlock]

unless for example

i run the game locally on the machine

and then make it have a steam account, and then join it as a steam friend

but in that case I actually have to run the game

[blazing halo]

You would need to make a second STEAM account, and purchase the game again.

[rapid hemlock]

yea fuck tyhat

so I cant use it with ngrok either?

[blazing halo]

And socat, no.

[rapid hemlock]

hmm

so im fucked then

[blazing halo]

What you can do is: have someone outside your network host a VPN

to which you and your friends would connect.

Then it would all look like a LAN to all of you.

[rapid hemlock]

could I host a vpn on that same machine

and then join it

[blazing halo]

But then nobody else can,

[rapid hemlock]

ah right

[blazing halo]

because VPN too needs open ports.

[rapid hemlock]

gotcha

[blazing halo]

That's why I said "outside your network", on the public Internet.

[rapid hemlock]

hmm

[blazing halo]

Renting a server may be a better option.

Still, running a VPN server shouldn't be too resource-intensive, so if you do have a friend like that - ask them.

[rapid hemlock]

thing is

my buddies and I on my dorm floor

all got pc parts together to build the server

[blazing halo]

Wait.

[rapid hemlock]

we got minecraft setup with ngrok, we were gonna do wan but the school is a bitch

[blazing halo]

Is everyone you want to connect inside your dorm with you?

[rapid hemlock]

no

in the building

[blazing halo]

Damn.

Wait.

[rapid hemlock]

but i cant host without having my own personal router

[blazing halo]

In the same network?

[rapid hemlock]

no

thats what I was about to say

I tried that

[blazing halo]

DAMN.

[rapid hemlock]

yea

unlucky

they restrict 1 ip per ethernet jack

or rather

1 mac address

per port

[blazing halo]

Dumb question... is the server a separate machine?

[rapid hemlock]

so i have a router configured as a router so it spoofs as one

yes the server is a seperate machine

[blazing halo]

Wait, you have a router?

[rapid hemlock]

its a linux box running ubunti

so basically

[blazing halo]

Can they ping your router?

[rapid hemlock]

technically yes

but they cant see if it is a router

[blazing halo]

ALL of them?

[rapid hemlock]

they can only ping my gateway

which they see as just an ip

[blazing halo]

That's not an issue.

You don't need to have a public IP, because you don't need to expose it on the Internet.

As long as everyone you want to play with is within the same network,

that's doable.

[rapid hemlock]

they arent

thats the thing

[blazing halo]

Can they ALL ping your router?

[rapid hemlock]

no

they cannot

actually

wait

lemme check

[blazing halo]

Ask, yeah.

Ping me when you get back.

[rapid hemlock]

yea

[rapid hemlock]

yea they can see it

they are wired in

holy shit

so if they are in the network (they are wired in) it is public to them

so technically

[blazing halo]

YES.

Port-forward on your router, and Bob's your uncle.

[rapid hemlock]

what are the open ports

[blazing halo]

By default, UDP/7777, UDP/15000 and UDP/15777. All three can be changed.

[rapid hemlock]

so waht do I set to all of these

[blazing halo]

Actually, the first thing you want to do is assign a static DHCP assignment to your server.

(so that it doesn't change and invalidate these settings)

[rapid hemlock]

that is already done

[blazing halo]

And you went with a nondescript .1.146?

[rapid hemlock]

I have this

what do I do next

[blazing halo]

Yeah, add 2 more entries and set 7777 and 15000.

[rapid hemlock]

like this

?

[blazing halo]

No clue, you may need to save between additions.

That's your router. I don't know all of them.

Read the manual if you have to.

In the end, you want to have three lines, each for one port.

Also, I would recommend you add -multihome=0.0.0.0 to your server's launch parameters. It will disable the internal router the server has, as it's oftentimes a source of trouble, and furthermore completely unnecessary if you have all 3 ports forwarded.

[rapid hemlock]

do I add that after the game runs

i never understood how to add launch commands

[blazing halo]

What are you using to launch the server?

[rapid hemlock]

comamnd line

[blazing halo]

Windows/Linux?

[rapid hemlock]

./satisfactory...

linux

[blazing halo]

... and you don't understand launch parameters? o_O

[rapid hemlock]

well i do

i add them to the end

[blazing halo]

Yeah.

[rapid hemlock]

but my quesiton is

[blazing halo]

... yeah?

[rapid hemlock]

nvm nvm

i gtg but ill be back

thanks

[blazing halo]

Ah, I see you got it. Okay. :)

[rapid hemlock]

still no dice

but ill come back later to figure it out

[blazing halo]

Sure. I may be gone for the next 10 hours, but ping me when you come back.

I may still be around.

[rapid hemlock]

k

[blazing halo]

Also, you using Linux opens up one more option for us - provided that the server machine has equipped - or can be equipped with - a second network card.

[rapid hemlock]

tried that

doest work

[blazing halo]

No, you're not thinking what I'm thinking.

[rapid hemlock]

hmm

[blazing halo]

And I'm thinking "turn your server into a router".

[rapid hemlock]

oh

hmm

yea idk

never heard of that

but

[blazing halo]

It's an option.

[rapid hemlock]

worth a shot I guess

im thinking

[blazing halo]

Your router is running Linux, most likely. :)

[rapid hemlock]

i setup the port forward and everything

[blazing halo]

It's not that difficult.

[rapid hemlock]

nono

im not talking about my router

the router isnt running linux

the server is running linux

[blazing halo]

It likely is. :)

[rapid hemlock]

idk waht the f my router is running

oh

]well

then

yea idk how to do that

[blazing halo]

I just wanted to say that, so that you'd understand that setting it up isn't all that different.

[rapid hemlock]

but im thinking, i might just have to change the ports satisfactory is binding to

[blazing halo]

In fact, my router is a Linux PC.

[rapid hemlock]

damn

uh

how

[blazing halo]

sysctl enable forward, iptables to filter, done

;]

[rapid hemlock]

so if I set that up in my server

what will that do

[blazing halo]

For one, the IP you're getting from your dorm will then be on the server

so no port forward necessary.

But like I said, it's an option.

Let's try getting your router cooperating before we go that route.

Right now you have DORM -> Router -> Server, and DORM -> Router -> Gaming PC, I assume.

After the change, it would be DORM -> Server -> Router -> Gaming PC.

[rapid hemlock]

correct

yea

i think the second one would work

however

it would probably fuck over the minecraft server too

[blazing halo]

Don't think so. Depends on where it is.

If it's on the server, no issue.

[rapid hemlock]

it is on the server

[blazing halo]

It has one big disadvantage, however: the server would need to be working for you to have Internet access.

[rapid hemlock]

hmm

[blazing halo]

If you plan on shutting it down sometime, that plan becomes iffy.

Like I said, let's try making your router cooperate first before we go this route.

And... didn't you have to go somewhere?

[rapid hemlock]

yep

[blazing halo]

Ping me when you want to continue.

[rapid hemlock]

cureently dissapearing

suongs good

thanks

[blazing halo]

I can probably assist you 1-on-1 via Discord video chat (screen sharing), if it comes down to that.

[rapid hemlock]

would very much apprreciate that

thanks man

[rapid hemlock]

HI

im back

[blazing halo]

Oh look. So you are.

So, private VC?

[rapid hemlock]

yup

[blazing halo]

Awrite, let me set up.

[rapid hemlock]

sounds good

[blazing halo]

Well, that was fast. They do say that a picture is worth a thousand words. :D

[rapid hemlock]

haha yea! thanks man

[blazing halo]

It helped that you clearly knew what you were doing, and just needed the right direction.

[calm jacinth]

i have a theory: if you build a long strip of 1m tall foundations and drive and Explorer as fast as it can go across them, do you nope out of the server?

i've had it happen twice already

[calm jacinth]

crashed again on restart, failed to save dump/log (i pulled the log manually)

[merry bolt]

Not sure what constitutes a long strip, but i often drive an explorer along 1m foundations because i build my roads with them. Have not had any crashes or disconnects yet from doing that.

[calm jacinth]

huh, must be because of my low server tick rate then 😦

[merry bolt]

i started a new save in update 6 and have not built that much yet so my server is not stressed so far

[blazing halo]

If you are having tickrate issues, that would provide an explanation for the weird shit you've been seeing, yes.

[calm jacinth]

average tickrate is 7~9 now

[merry bolt]

i dont think i have ever built enough to get that low. must be a massive save

[calm jacinth]

haven't looked but yeah... got lots of stuff

[merry bolt]

Both of those logs look like they crashed right after a garbage collection pass

or maybe that is just the last thing that printed

[calm jacinth]

it should restart but it fails to, it's like it crashes and then closes itself before it can trace

[merry bolt]

Your dmp files are 0 bytes so they must have failed to write

Any chance the hard drive is full?

[calm jacinth]

it isn't

and that's the second time it happened

[merry bolt]

ok then it is just crashing so hard it cant even write out a dmp file

[calm jacinth]

my guess is the restart thread and trace thread are different so the trace doesn't stop the restart and when the process goes down, it takes the trace thread with it so it fails to complete

whatever causes the crash also prohibits it from restarting

[merry bolt]

without a callstack or dmp file i couldn't even guess what the issue might be. might have to get the save to the devs to see if they can investigate (not sure how to go about doing that)

[calm jacinth]

they should add code to prohibit restart if a trace is started

[spice harness]

any servers that i can join?

[calm jacinth]

ah crap, i bumped a parked Truck and i think it made DS crash........

or not?

restarting client side fixed it

don't try to enter a glitched vehicle 👀

[novel yarrow]

why? I did and..... flyyyyyyyyy babe

[calm jacinth]

it sent me to the abyss, i died under the world, crate likely impossible to recover

[novel yarrow]

ok seen this happends when You save over a hole for example driving on basement

[calm jacinth]

it was over water and i have no idea if it was saving or not

[calm jacinth]

okay, restarting the game and rejoining, the truck and crate are at the bottom of the sea where i should theoretically be able to get it

so all is not lost

got it 😄

but man, like an hour wasted because a truck decided to kill me 😦

[blazing halo]

#looking-for-group-old

[rapid hemlock]

I ended up getting the server to work, thanks @blazing halo

only thing now is finding a way to either reverse proxy the wan I have, or, to find 3 open ports on the universities network, and bind it to a domain

[spice harness]

Here is a all about dedicated server discussion, can ask aswell here

[undone sky]

no, #looking-for-group-old is where you ask, this is for help setting up servers etc.

[spice harness]

Looking for group is a mess to look after some conditions you want, there is no filter mode to set your preferences and most of them are old

[undone sky]

then provide that feedback to Baine, it doesn't change the fact that that is where you ask

[blazing halo]

So you're dead-set on having it open to the Internet?

[spice harness]

I checked the rules on here and there is no rule saying you can't

[blazing halo]

So you asked. Your answer is: go to #looking-for-group-old .

[spice harness]

Dedicated server discussion and asking here about dedication server to join in one, whats the biggie?

[blazing halo]

And that is the only answer you'll get here.

[spice harness]

Fun fact, I got actually two invites in dms

great thing that I asked here

I had hella of a time

[blazing halo]

The fact that this channel is not a "let's play", and questions like that are kinda annoying?

But eh, I suppose it's not busy. So, no biggie.

[spice harness]

annoying? then ignore the question.

[undone sky]

or do everyone the courtesy of posting in the correct place?

[blazing halo]

Though to be fair, #looking-for-group-old is crap...

[undone sky]

which is why feedback should be given so it can be changed

[blazing halo]

Yes. My advice would be to provide some feedback to the moderators about it.

[spice harness]

I still find that it shouldn't be a biggie asking in #dedicated-servers for a dedicated server when also there's no rules saying you cant do it, I saw the opportunity and took it

[undone sky]

the point of #looking-for-group-old is to avoid unnecessary spam in other channels like this one that have different purposes, ignoring this and posting it here anyway is just annoying and not the right thing - yes there is no rule that says you cant but its just common sense.

[blazing halo]

Regardless, this discussion shouldn't be had here.

[spice harness]

everyone's opinions, I'll still go with mine, end of discussion

[rapid hemlock]

Technically its not open yet. But yes. Im gonna find a way to bind it to a reverse proxy and then set it to a domain

[blazing halo]

You'll still need a PC that is outside your network, connecting to your PC. The only way any of this would work would be through a forward proxy, really... sorta kinda. Might be possible with SSH tunelling.

[rapid hemlock]

hmm

so id need another machine

[blazing halo]

Since there's no possible way for you to accept connections without your network admin cooperating with you,

you would need an outside PC no matter which route you take.

At this point, you should seriously consider just renting a server. It'll likely cost you less, all things considered.

[rapid hemlock]

quick question, when my server restarts does it save right before?

[blazing halo]

That depends. If it's configured to run without players, it should. If not, it won't.

Though I suppose it should if the restart happens with players still logged on...

I haven't actually tested this. I'm curious as to what will happen if the server hasn't had a chance to auto-save, and the option to save on player quit is disabled.

Anyone with observations to add to this?

[opal compass]

How can I get rid of these Icons

[oblique isle]

Not gone through logs yet. But server suddenly stopped and now just has circle of message of “server preparing new game” Anyone had this before?

[novel yarrow]

My guess memory is out and swapping to disk due to object count. Which results in delay.

[oblique isle]

Makes sense because just built big expansion. So I guess increase mem or reduce objects. But if can’t get into game, increase mem.

Weird as checked not long ago and mem usage was 60%

[novel yarrow]

Win or Lin srv ?

[blazing halo]

Can you describe "suddenly stopped" a bit more? Because it auto-restarts itself - should be once every 24h... but might be wonky on that timing.

[oblique isle]

Sorry yeah. It has not loaded back up since the auto server restart. Seemed ok before it rebooted

Not got around to giving extra memory yet to check that

[blazing halo]

What dos the log say on the aborted attempts?

What does it do? Does it load, then crash? Or what?

[royal dove]

Seems i hit the hard limit of the dedicated server, Tick rating goes to 30 and a little bit plus, and saving is around 18 seconds, so server disconnects. (Server Log does not say anything though) CPU is a AMD EPYC 7282 six cores available. (is a VPS). Save is aroudn 8/9 MB

[blazing halo]

... what hard limit? The default timeout is 30; a save time of 18 seconds should be fine.

[royal dove]

Well, my game/server says no :p

[blazing halo]

Can you start with saying what actually happens and when it happens?

Tell me a story.

[blazing halo]

That's the help UI - I don't know if it can be hidden, but I don't think so? Also, doesn't look like a server-related question.

[royal dove]

Before connecting, will try to get the message after the connect and auto disconnect :p

[blazing halo]

Is your server set up to pause when empty?

[royal dove]

Set to pause when empty and save when last person abandoned ship 🙂

[blazing halo]

Okay. Does this happen on the first connection after server start?

[royal dove]

No after multiple times, also after restarting client, will try to get the next message hold on.

Windows Host and steamcmd btw

[blazing halo]

I am asking because the server, when configured to pause, does not load the save on start.

It loads it on first connection.

Which... tends to time out.

Once that happens, it also auto-saves, because even a timeout = "player disconnected" so - save time! ;P

Meaning: once you try connecting, and time out... give it 60 seconds before trying again.

[royal dove]

Would be nice if he allows me to connect to the server manager settings though. :p

[blazing halo]

When the server is loading the game, or saving the game,

it does not reply at all to any communication.

It behaves as if it was dead, for all intents and purposes.

Give it 60 seconds.

If it still does not work, please show me the server log.

[royal dove]

Yeah, it should be powerful enough though, last CPU was a Xeon from 2013...

That is the whole thing, i do not see any timeout or whatsoever in the server log... Or any indication that something is wrong. But then again i am hungry so going to find some food.

[blazing halo]

Also, I can't find a lot of info on the EPYC 7282, but what I can find is that its single-thread performance is about 20% better than my i7-3770.

The clocks are also lower, but the difference in technology likely makes up for it a lot.

According to AskGeek, the EPYC's PassMark score (single-thread) is actually lower than the i7.

[royal dove]

Not much i can do about it though, i cannot find an i7 or i9 host :p

[blazing halo]

Yeah, from what I can "divine" from benchmark scores, it seems that the EPYC's single-thread performance is about on par with my i7-3770.

Some say better, some say worse. I'm going to err on the side of "newer is probably better" and assume the "better by about 20%" side.

[oblique isle]

Where is the server log file location?

[blazing halo]

%INSTALLDIR%/FactoryGame/Saved/Logs

[oblique isle]

https://pastebin.com/1Vvzaa1u

I've increased host memory, but still wont load the saved games after the auto reoob t yesterday

[blazing halo]

It looks like it's crashing on vehicle logic.

Try loading that save into your single-player game and seeing if it works.

[oblique isle]

Where are the saves on the dedicated server? Guess that goes into steam saves then on local machine?

[blazing halo]

On the server, they're in the server user's home folder, in AppData.

Depending on the user (regular vs SYSTEM vs NETWORK), it'll be either %LOCALAPPDATA%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\server (per the user's location of AppData), %WINDIR%\System32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\server or %WINDIR%\ServiceProfiles\NetworkService\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\server

See https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Loading_a_save_file

[oblique isle]

Got it.. Thanks. Was in .config

[blazing halo]

Ah, right. You never said it was a Linux setup, I don't think. Or I mixed you up with DrPrometheus. Either way. :D

[oblique isle]

Weird.. Loads on single player

Guess the server goes to load the latest time stamp file sav

[blazing halo]

It's possible (though unlikely...) that single-player either has some extra code to deal with stuff like that (that the server doesn't), or that your PC's better performance resolves the issue.

At any rate - save as a new save (we're hoping that whatever the issue was, it will be resolved in the new save file) and try to load the new one in the server.

If that doesn't work, you can try loading it into SCIM - the site may handle saves differently, which might also resolve the issue once you export it.

[oblique isle]

That did not work unfortunately

[oblique isle]

SCIM?

[blazing halo]

An online save-editing service, among other things. Google it.

[rose lotus]

Anyone here who can help diagnose why I cannot see the server from outside my network?

[blazing halo]

Sure. What are you using to "see"?

(meaning: how are you testing?)

[rose lotus]

I checked in game and I can find the server if I add local IP address but not remote.

and I can create a game/play fine from local network

opened 15000, 15777 and 7777 in windows firewall and on the router

[blazing halo]

To clarify: are you testing WAN-side visibility by trying to access it from inside the LAN via your WAN IP?

[rose lotus]

I am testing with internal LAN ip. Someone else is testing with outside IP address

[blazing halo]

I see. Thanks for clarifying.

Is your WAN IP public?

[rose lotus]

I have a public ip address if that is what you are asking?

sorry.. not that well versed in network lingo

[oblique isle]

Tried loading it in and exporting back out. Still the same. Only runs now on single player.

[blazing halo]

That sucks.

It was crashing on vehicle logic. Can you try removing all vehicles?

[rose lotus]

Seems like i've opened every possible port for the game now but still cant be accessed from outside

[oblique isle]

Wonder if worth re downloading the steam server files

[blazing halo]

You mean you haven't verified the server files yet?

[peak field]

Hi everyone!

Just tried to setup my game over a dedicated server, I tried 2 host (PebbleHost, Shockbyte). They both have the same issue and support told me that it might be a game related issue since a recent update. There's no way to connect to the server.

[blazing halo]

Does the server crash when you try to connect?

[peak field]

No, I just sent you the logs

That's when I try to connect

I tried multiple computers and ask friends to try to log in

All the same error

[blazing halo]

That log doesn't tell me much, I'm afraid.

Can you post the whole thing?

[oblique isle]

Thought I had it as part of service. I’ve updated the steam files. Will try it again soon. Fingers crossed

[blazing halo]

I don't think you've ever mentioned that this is a service?

If you're renting the server, you should really talk to the support staff at the company you're renting from.

[calm jacinth]

there's no solution for stuck radiation other than dying is there?

[blazing halo]

If it's stuck to you, no. There is, however, a mitigation: don't sort your inventory while you have radioactive stuff in it.

[calm jacinth]

sorting, that's it :C

i forgot the trigger

there's already a ticket for that yeah?

[mental raven]

Hey any insight I to why I keep timing out connecting to my (rented) server?

Last thing I did was use SCIM to merge some belts? Save still works on single player

[blazing halo]

Any logs from the server?

[mental raven]

I wiped it like a derp, but I did find some mention of conveyor length, which kinda jives with what I was poking

I've rolled back to a pre-edit save and everything is fine.

So, problem between keyboard and chair, I think.

[oblique isle]

Issue seems to be limit on the AWS server when server trying to load the save. Seen in logs some mention of GPU 4GB limit.

Weird as server runs OK when it was running. But on the server restart it must do some checks and now the extra buillds/objects are pushing it over the edge my guess

[calm jacinth]

you're running dedicated server right? it doesn't use GPU

[still stirrup]

are there security risks when opening the ports to run a dedicated server?

[calm jacinth]

not particularly, the security risk potential would be in vulnerabilities in Satisfactory Dedicated Server

risk of that is pretty low because Satisfactory uses encrypted packets

[blazing halo]

That doesn't actually matter.

A buffer overflow vulnerability would still be very possible, for example.

[blazing halo]

There are always security risks when exposing any service to the Internet. In order to determine how big a risk you're taking on, you have to consider a number of factors - how many existing CVEs the particular service has, how many have been resolved in a timely manner (i.e. was a patch released promptly vs did it linger), what sort of impact you might be looking at if there was a breach (either 0-day or otherwise), what's the "target size" of said service (meaning: how likely it is that yours will be targeted), whether it's open-source or not (open-source tends to have many eyes on it, and thus - the potential to spot security flaws is much, much higher) and so on.

You will also want to consider your own ability in this area - will you be able to spot a breach and act to mitigate it in a timely manner? Will your entire network be compromised? What sort of access would the attacker have to your network in the event of a breach? And so on...

[calm jacinth]

could just run it in a VM

[blazing halo]

Doesn't actually mitigate any of this.

[calm jacinth]

it contains risk

[blazing halo]

No, it doesn't, unless you prevent your VM from making outgoing connections to other computers.

[calm jacinth]

which would entirely defeat the purpose of hosting a dedicated server

a VM doesn't have access to any user data other than the program itself and it doesn't have access to any lower level administrative functions

[blazing halo]

No, it wouldn't - the most typical packet filter rule is "allow packets already allowed by any other remembered rule". Also known as "related".

[calm jacinth]

any vulnerability in software is limited to the virtual environment which has extremely limited capacity to do harm

[blazing halo]

Unless the VM software itself has a vulnerability.

[calm jacinth]

thus why we have AMD-V and Intel VT-x

[blazing halo]

But it doesn't matter. As long as you have "execute" privileges, you retain the capacity to do harm - even if it's limited to being a zombie in a spam network.

Or, as one of our clients learned... coin mining. :D

[calm jacinth]

just keep an eye out for weird processes on the VM periodically and kill the VM if one pops up

[blazing halo]

I discovered this infiltration by complete accident, and they've had a miner running as root for a year.

[calm jacinth]

wow, unsecure OS that 😛

[blazing halo]

Hahah, Red Hat.

But... outdated since 2016 or so.

[calm jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/hugo-weaving-lord-of-the-rings-gif-12671347

[blazing halo]

Why? Because there was nobody to keep anything up-to-date, or admin anything.

We set it up for them (they provided the machine & original software), but it was understood that they would continue to admin it.

[calm jacinth]

👀 Windows Server will literally force update if you don't volunteer it

[blazing halo]

They believed we would be the admin... and so nobody logged into it for 2 years.

[calm jacinth]

wow, gotta respect the uptime at least 👀

[blazing halo]

Fun fact: whenever their website started having problems,

they'd just... get this...

... hit the RESET button on the machine.

And all would be well for a week.

.......................

[calm jacinth]

sub-optimal way to handle it, for sure

[blazing halo]

Someone casually mentioned this in a phone conversation with my boss, I caught whiff of this,

and we had the situation resolved within 4 hours.

But man...

[calm jacinth]

squeaky wheel gets the lube 😉

[blazing halo]

It's a very sad example of what could happen when someone with literally no clue about running network services... runs network services.

At least they didn't get anyone going after their internal network, which is always a dodged bullet...

Knowing their appreciation and knowledge, they'd keep rebooting PCs for another year before someone finally scratched their heads and went hunting.

(at which point most of their client data would likely be posted on the 'net somewhere...)

[amber wolf]

Wondering if anyone can help, I have a satisfactory server which I setup as a service so I could run two separate servers on the same system. All was going so well until I wanted to move one to it’s own hardware. Seems running as a service has no save location yet it’s saving somehow? Any ideas?

[novel yarrow]

assuming OS is Linux, save should be there: <Your_user_home_dir>/.config/Epic/FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames

[blazing halo]

In theory, you should give each their own separate install directory, as they will otherwise share the .ini files and logs.

[blazing halo]

Please see https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Loading_a_save_file for the typical save file locations.

[oblique isle]

Just been looking through the pages on dedicated servers. So it does not matter the memory on the server in regards to GPU? 16GB RAM AWS server should be fine?

[blazing halo]

16 GiB should be fine, yes. I'm not sure about AWS - we've had reports that there are trouble connecting to servers hosted on AWS; I personally tried helping out once, but the symptoms were indicative of Satisfactory disagreeing with the NAT over there.

(lots of spammed "Disregarding handshake packet after successful handshake" and then timeouts)

It kinda looks like AWS' network entry is set up in such a way as to (most likely unintentionally) mess with SF's UDP, likely the DTLS encryption.

(the same issue I personally have with my gateway)

[oblique isle]

Finally fixed the map not loading on dedicated server issue.. Links in to what you mentioned about "Vehicle Logic"

Found a tractor at the bottom of a lake 😂 - Dismantled that, loads fine again now. Weird it must of been running for weeks like that, then boom. Decided it did not like it.

[blazing halo]

@calm jacinth was having lots of vehicle-related issues as well... seems we have a new issue.

[amber wolf]

amazing that was what I have been looking for! its running on WIndows which I intend to move to Linux. TO be honest I didn't set it up correctly by the looks thanks for your help!

[mental raven]

Aiiieee, clients.

I work in a very different field (embedded software) but some pains we all feel.

[blazing halo]

I honestly still don't fully grasp how they managed to survive this way for a year...

[calm jacinth]

vehicles on foundations just seems...an iffy proposition

one thing is for sure: if a vehicle is glitching (like two places at once) DO NOT TOUCH IT

run far enough away from it that it unloads, then run back so the client is forced to get fresh data from the server, it should stop glitching and be safe to use

[scenic rose]

Hey everyone! Glad I found the discord server as I have a question regarding server performance.

Me and my buddy are building a factory with the goal of building all phase 4 items in under 2 hours once turned on. We are about half way there and the server is beginning to feel it. Autosaves take 15 seconds now and the tick rate is definitely not 30 anymore. Commonly dipping into the teens or lower. I have Autosaves at 30 minutes now because of that.

It's currently running in a VM on an AMD 3600x. I have a computer with a 9th gen i7 I could dedicate to it but will that help at all? Does the server prefer one architecture over another?

[desert walrus]

The server doesn't have an architecture preference, but as long as you have 6 cores or greater it prefers single-threaded performance over multi

That 9th gen chip might perform slightly better, it'd definitely be worth a shot

[frosty gale]

umm, how many turbofuel generators on 250% can be run with 75 turbofuel/m? (okay i calculated 9 but im not sure :/)

[silk raptor]

Not much worse that in local in my experience
On my largest savefile (270h, 2 players)
Autosaves used to take about 5 sec on local multiplayer (11th gen i7 @ 4.0GHz)
Autosaves now take 5.4 sec on dedicated (Xeon E3-1230v6 @ 3.5GHz)

Not to say autosaves are fast, but they don't seems that slower on dedicated

I don't think an architecture is preferred, but clockspeed definitely plays a role, so if your i7 can run faster than the 3600x it's definitely worth a shot

[mystic fossil]

Does dedicated server require GUI/gpu at all?

[tawny jackal]

Sorry if it's been asked, but does anyone know if Dedicated Server will be updated for Update 7?

[novel yarrow]

No. It's running smooth in VMs, containers, or whatever. Just don't try running it on the Pi 🙂

[mystic fossil]

Right its x86 only from what i read

But need a somewhat beefy cpu so i dont think a pi would even be up for the task

RN I host for my friends on my pc which has a 12600k. But then i gotta leave the game open. Would be nice to get something running 24/7

[frosty tartan]

Hey all, I'm having a helluva time with my dedicated servers and I was wondering if anyone had run into something similar

For the most part, I see "Game Ongoing - Server name pending - NotAuthenticated - Ping: 78ms" though, every now and then it drops to offline in game for a few seconds and it comes back. A few times when reconnecting I'll an error message about time outs (though i seemed to have resolved that), and after i noticed that pin, I made the recommended changes and that seems to have stopped the error message, though the "cannot connect to server - retry" dialogue box still pops up like 90% of the time.

A couple of times now, I've been able to get logged in and walk around with nothing more than brute force refreshing, but it is happening across mulitple hosting services as wells as players. I'd had my low.ms server running for the last ~3 days without issue, then I woke up this morning to find this issue. Found Indifferent Broccoli thinking it was a hosting service issue but I'm still running into the same problem, is this something on my end? anything others have encountered & resolved? or is it just that satisfactory multiplayer is what it is?

[novel yarrow]

Is it local or remote? The same happend to me recently when NAT rules were not correctly processed by the router. Because over VPN it worked, directly not. So I've just re-added the rules and changed their order and it worked. 3 players connecting without problems.

The other thing You might add is -multihome 0.0.0.0 to commandline while starting up the server.

[frosty tartan]

remote

i feel like NAT may be the issue since in the console when things were booting up I THOUGHT i saw something about NAT not being correct

but wouldn't hte NAT settings be set up by the server host? (the websites, low.ms & indifferent broccoli, I'm using)

[novel yarrow]

Try -DisablePacketRouting or -multihome 0.0.0.0 as additional startup parameters. Forwarding needs to be done by Your provider (or IP exposed).

[frosty tartan]

ok, sounds good tyty

[frosty tartan]

this did not work 😦

[novel yarrow]

Then we need analyse output of the console or logs. Since question remains is it even connecting over UDP..

[frosty tartan]

I think this is the log file that is most recent, but it's local not server side

if that's helpful

this one is from earlier today and is a little longer

[novel yarrow]

[2022.11.14-23.47.35:572][733]LogDTLSHandler: Error: SSL_read error: 2
[2022.11.14-23.47.35:572][733]LogSecurity: Warning: 51.79.83.22:28025: Malformed_Packet: Packet failed PacketHandler processing.
[2022.11.14-23.47.35:572][733]LogSecurity: Warning: 51.79.83.22:28025: Closed: Connection closed
[2022.11.14-23.47.35:572][733]LogNet: DestroyNamedNetDriver IpNetDriver_2147481234 [IpNetDriver_2147481234]
[2022.11.14-23.47.35:572][733]LogExit: IpNetDriver_2147481234 IpNetDriver_2147481234 shut down
[2022.11.14-23.47.35:573][733]LogDTLSHandler: Attempted to send packet during handshaking, dropping.

Indeed some SSL handshake errors

[frosty tartan]

are you aware of anything on my end to resolve it? or am I up a creek/file a bug report on the QA site?

[blazing halo]

Oh look, you have the same issue I do.

On the server's side, the "Attempted to send packet during handshaking, dropping." will have a friend,

which will say something like "Ignoring handshake packet after handshake completion."

UE DTLS doesn't like your router.

[frosty tartan]

Pls note, "you" is the router, not you 😅

[blazing halo]

At any rate, the only difference I've been able to spot so far with this particular issue, is that each time a router on (at least) one end is a Linux box.

As in, not a "router" like a device you'd go out and buy, but a fully-functional PC of some description.

[blazing halo]

Welp, here we go...

Well, picking foliage up works! ;D

[covert spindle]

coal generators seem not be able to put in blueprints, sad

means refinerys probably won't fit either

[blazing halo]

Yeah, it's a what - 4x4? 2x2? Or something.

[covert spindle]

4x4 yea

32m x 32m

coal plant is like 10m x 26m x 36m

hoped they'd adjust the coal plant tho

[undone sky]

Refs have a listed height of 31 on the wiki iirc meaning I thought they might be able to fit

[covert spindle]

I mean the size of the coal plant throws me off anyway like, what are those kind of measurements? it 's like 1 1/4 Foundation wide, 3 1/4 long and 9 foundations tall? that's bs measuring asf

why not make them gridable

also for some reason it still tells me it's update 6 in experimental while the blueprint machine is available...what?

[errant vine]

The dedicated server update on epic isn't out yet?

[blazing halo]

EPIC is lagging a little.

[errant vine]

Oh

I'll just use steamcmd then

[blazing halo]

But if you don't mind, STEAM already has it, so steamcmd.

[errant vine]

Yep, ty

I figured

[covert spindle]

epic works fine for me

[errant vine]

With the new experimental update?

Also i get 'ghost conveyors' all the time since i updated

It's actually REALLY annoying

I'm just trying to make a steel factory and all my belts just become invisisble

[covert spindle]

ye

the experimental shows it still as "update 6" in the library as well as games main menu

but the rest with the blueprint cube works just fine

[errant vine]

So you are running on a server that's also installed via epic?

[covert spindle]

only have it for epic

[errant vine]

Hm, my client did update however my server did not.

And since i updated i get all these ghost conveyors which make the game basically unplayable

[errant vine]

I got my server running on the new update too now, though i can't install the new experimental on epic

Uh you just deleted your comment?

[covert spindle]

I didn't deleted anyhting

[rotund locust]

I though this was the wrong channel is it not?

[errant vine]

Not you, the other person

I mean it's better to do it in multuplayer-troubleshooting

But i can try to help you

[rotund locust]

ok

it just wont allow me to install the dedicated server through steam cmd

[errant vine]

What does it say?

[rotund locust]

(no subscription)

so i logged into my personal account that owns the game and its still there

[errant vine]

hm

1 sec

Try to make a install.bat file with this in it: steamcmd.exe +force_install_dir C:\GameServers\SatisfactoryServer +login anonymous +app_update 1690800 -beta experimental validate +quit

[rotund locust]

ok

[errant vine]

Change the location to whatever you want your location to be

[rotund locust]

it didnt work

if i install through steam normally can I just boot it through file manager so it wont be opened in steam?

I cant have it open through steam as I switch to my laptop and it closes every steam game/tool open on my pc whenever i open a game

[frank stag]

Anyone know if epic updated their DS yet?

[glad karma]

Any Follow up on this 👆🏼

[shrewd ingot]

the blueprints can't be transferred between servers or single player to server and vice versa

idk if that's ment to be but just wanted to mention

[reef snow]

Blueprints should be persistent and stored locally on pc-
Logging into any game with your personal library of blueprints-
That's what I was really excited about

Very disappointing if your blueprint library resets like your hotbars

[formal compass]

loading a blueprint into the designer crashes my game 🤔
but the server is not crashing. only client and it didnt load it in xD

[hushed gate]

Satisfactory Questions

@formal compass You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
<3 @desert walrus

[desert walrus]

Better get all the new bugs on the site

Remember to search and make sure there isn't already a post for it!

[shrewd ingot]

it doesn't reset you just can't use them on other servers

[shrewd ingot]

made a bug post about it on the question.satisfactory site you could upvote

[formal compass]

so far i know they are stored to the session

there are saved under %LOCALAPPDATA%/FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames/blueprints
so you could probly copy them to the right place

[formal compass]

made a post. for it 😄

[blazing halo]

Note: steamcmd can download the server via the Anonymous logon, no purchase necessary. If you would rather use steamcmd to manage your server, you can go ahead and do so.

[fringe lance]

when saving a blueprint it will randomly cause everyone's game to crash but not the server depending on the blueprint

[mint junco]

I can't even get into my save under update 7 on dedicated server.
Made a post on the QA site;
CLIENT CRASH ON LOADING INTO DEDICATED SERVER - Experimental: 208250
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/6373b93aca608e080352480e

[next vapor]

there a way to confirm which version of dedicated server is installed on linux?

[shadow meteor]

How to toggle out to use D3D 11\12 by the DS? I'm have ESXi 6.5u2 virtual server with Win2019 Std. After game update I can't start the DS any more

[wooden mauve]

is it possible to run the server on 8gb ram

my server crashes whenever i want to create a world

i dont know if its a ram issue

[novel yarrow]

10GB+ sadly

[wooden mauve]

ty works fine with 16gb

[shadow meteor]

32Gb and don't work without videocard...

[desert walrus]

The DS doesn't render anything?

That's client only

[lilac ledge]

I have the updated version, on my dedicated server, that should have blueprints but no tab for it?

[storm sapphire]

anyone having conveyor belts not loading items on it but the belts are transporting stuff fully so its a visual desync.

[formal compass]

you need to unlock it in milestone 4

[formal compass]

belt was for me in up6 desync to. but yes i have xD but the belt still works.

[storm sapphire]

I admit I have set this up fresh today as I havent played since update 5 where I was playing with people, decided we should setup a server instead of passing around saves if we carry on solo.
So its an existing issue from U6 as well then thats a shame, it is jarring I remember having it in the old releases in solo but it was fixed.
I cant see the option for alternative converybelt rendering anymore so maybe that is the reason as that was buggy for me previously so I turned it off

[formal compass]

it only a visual bug. i got used to it. ^^

[storm sapphire]

yep will have to get used to it again haha

[timid forge]

Hello!
I have a Satisfactory server on a Pterodactyl panel. And I wonder how I update the server now when the Game did update?

If Somebody know.

[formal compass]

for me i just restart the server

[timid forge]

I have tried that

[formal compass]

are you using the experimental or public branch from satisfactory. for up7 you would need experimental

[timid forge]

I use the egg from here: https://github.com/parkervcp/eggs/blob/master/game_eggs/steamcmd_servers/satisfactory/README.md

And I have always played on Experimental but to this point Experimental and normal was the same

[formal compass]

Branch name need to be set to experimental and you would needed Autoamtic Updates enabled

i use the same egg

[timid forge]

Have you done this on your server? If You can lead me

[formal compass]

i am on the server whit up7 yes 😄

i have [ADVANCED] BRANCH NAME set to experimental

under startup

and you would need AUTOMATIC UPDATES to have enabled

[timid forge]

Where in the files would that be?

[formal compass]

in the panel

you should have server,files,database and so

i have a tab called startup there

[timid forge]

Yeah I too

I made the Theme for my panel so its some different xD

[formal compass]

and in that tab you should see all the variables

[timid forge]

This is in the Startup page

[formal compass]

i have more than 4 on there

[timid forge]

Hm

[formal compass]

and more going on

[timid forge]

What da..

You have more than me on the startup command also

Do you have your egg in a JSON file I could try?

[formal compass]

the json file from there i have. maybe you have a older one or so

[timid forge]

I downloaded it 4 days ago

[shadow meteor]

The DS can't start absolutely

[frank finch]

Anyone else noticing an issue with blueprints on dedicated servers? Seems like there may be some file / naming issues with dedicated servers & blueprints. Seems like maybe files / names aren't updated when blueprints are changed...?

I'm at the point where I have about 8 blueprints and trying to load any of them into the designer crash the game instantly.

[formal compass]

hmm.

[timid forge]

You have an older version than that?

[formal compass]

no.

[timid forge]

But you have the new files now?

[formal compass]

i have up7 yes

[desert walrus]

No I mean that it doesn't use dx at all

[timid forge]

Could I borrow the files until I find out whats wrong? Not the save files.

[shadow meteor]

Virtual server has no videocard

[desert walrus]

That's not for the server

That's for the client

[timid forge]

It worked for the normal version so yeah. I need to find out what to do to fix it. So it follow the Experimental

[shadow meteor]

I have no client application installed with server

with U6 server working some correct

[fickle delta]

does anyone know how to get dedicated servers to work when i try to do it i get a list of errors in console and not able to start the world

[frank finch]

I might be able to help if you want to DM me what you're seeing. @fickle delta

[fickle delta]

i cant take screen shots or my pc dies

[frank finch]

Oof, what are you running the server on?

[novel yarrow]

I've loaded Your save on a test bench just fine. Experimental build, client requirements 2,5GB for the game, server needs 15.1GB RAM. Disconnect on initial connection, then runs fine.

[scarlet crater]

Question, on dedicated servers. I ran one of a box I have alying around, is it normal for belts to not show correctly items moving on them?

[frank finch]

Definitely seems to be a more common issue on the new experimental build.

[scarlet crater]

I noticed it on the EA build I was using for u6. That belt issue is annoying as its an easy way to tell if things are working properly

wasn't sure if it was a CPU limitation of my server or just how the dedicated server was

[frank finch]

Yeah, best way right now seems to be looking at the lights on the buildings.

not sure how new it is, but the light will be blue if it's at 100% efficiency.

[blazing halo]

What the fuck?

Ah, right... I can see what happened there.

FactoryGame-Win64-Shpping.exe is the game client, not the server. You either installed to the same directory as your game, or the damn EPIC fucked up again and put the client in the server slot...

The correct executable name would be something like UE4Server-{platform}-Shipping.

[slim nacelle]

is anyone else having trouble getting the dedicated server to come up?

[frank finch]

Updated mine to u7 without any issues

[blazing halo]

Instead of asking generic questions, explain your specific issue please.

It will let us skip meaningless "works correctly here" answers, and get to troubleshooting your issue faster. :)

[broken briar]

I updated my EPIC Dedicated server and now it just launches the game and not the server. Any idea how to fix this?

[blazing halo]

Do you have a UE4Server-Win64-Shipping.exe in your folder?

Or only FactoryGame-Win64-Shipping.exe?

[fringe lance]

Is anyone having a issue with saving a blueprint an the game crashing/boots all players from the game but the server doesn’t crash?

[blazing halo]

That was mentioned here at least once, yes.

[broken briar]

Seems like Factory game

[fringe lance]

Ok thanks

[frank finch]

Happened to us like 30 seconds ago 🙂

[blazing halo]

Have an answer for me?

[broken briar]

See above 3 messages.

Factory Game

[blazing halo]

Can you go into Engine/Binaries/Win64?

[broken briar]

Ah. FactoryGame-Win64-Shipping

[blazing halo]

...

So, long story short: download via steamcmd. EPIC is serving the GAME, not the server.

[blazing halo]

In case you're having the same error (D3D device), download from steamcmd as EPIC is serving the client instead...

[blazing halo]

Download via steamcmd, EPIC is serving the game client.

[fickle delta]

Just a fresh world

Or if where is steam

[blazing halo]

Okay. So... what does the log say? How can you tell you're not loading anything?

[fickle delta]

One of them is can't find serial or something

[frank finch]

RIP i'll try this again...

[fickle delta]

Steam on my pc

[frank finch]

Are you running the server off your windows PC from steam/epic?

[blazing halo]

What does the log say?

[fickle delta]

/\

[frank finch]

Really need output of logs if you can copy/paste.

[blazing halo]

Post the entire file.

[fickle delta]

Problem is that I'm at school now-

When I posted that message was when I was about to go to school

I'm going off my memory rn

Oh and another error was that it couldn't load and couldn't detect it

[blazing halo]

We're going to need the log file, sorry.

[fickle delta]

K

[blazing halo]

This will go better with you at the PC anyway.

[fickle delta]

Yea true

[frank finch]

Yeah I'd also just make sure you have the resources to run the server too, if you're just trying to run it for the first time.

[mint junco]

My save is much further on than the copy you have.
Unless you have the copy which I linked in the QA site?
I couldn't get it to load at all.
The server would host it but my client crashed on connect every time.

[fickle delta]

I have 32gb ram

A Ryzen 5900x

A rtx 3060ti

Is that enough?

[blazing halo]

Hm, does Windows put the main thread on a core that isn't used? Setting core affinity may be an idea.

Otherwise, should be fine for running both the server and game client (at the same time).

[fickle delta]

The CPU and GPU have overclock

[novel yarrow]

Loaded up this one from the QA case, so I assume it's recent. I got some disconnections when IPv6 was enabled. Disabled this on a server. Also seeing in the logs "Route not used by 300 secs, disabling it" and then disconnect occurs. Again internal routing issue occuring.

[blazing halo]

I'm just saying that it might be prudent to tell the server to run on cores 0-3, and the game to run on cores 4+. It's not very multithreaded, and this would make sure each uses cores not used by the other. But I have no idea if this helps any. Something to test, I suppose. Completely unrelated to your problem, however.

[mint junco]

That's promising then, maybe I'll reinstall update 7 and make sure I give both the server and client a reboot before attempting to connect.

[blazing halo]

Yeah, the internal router being shite is not news, unfortunately. :D

[blazing halo]

Oh, also, guys: I opened a ticket with moderation and asked whether we should be supporting in #1038092680493801533 or asking people to come here.

The word from on-high is: "we didn't include a [dedicated server] tag on purpose - all support for dedicated servers should still happen in #dedicated-servers".

@mint junco @calm jacinth @novel yarrow @mental locust ^^ heads-up specifically for you guys, as I see you actively helping out here - so if you were wondering, that's the answer

(if I missed someone or simply forgot, my deepest apologies)

[errant vine]

Don't you love when this happens on a dedicated server?

[frank finch]

Running out of memory? yup 🙂

[errant vine]

It's so annoying, every conveyor i place is like this for 20 sec. after that they just vanish (ghost vanish, theyre still there, but i cant see them)

I don't think my server is out of memory

Lemme check

[blazing halo]

It's a known bug that sometimes happens.

Restart the server, it should go away.

As to the why... no clue.

[errant vine]

Yeah it fixed itself last time i restarted

[blazing halo]

It doesn't generate a crash, or even a proper log error, so I can't tell. :D

[frank finch]

Idk for sure, but mine usually starts doing that when I'm on high memory utilization and the server tries auto saving.

[errant vine]

But i don't have the time to restart right now so i'll just do it tommorow

[blazing halo]

OHHAI THARRRRR

Didn't expect guests, but I guess I'll entertain... ;]

[errant vine]

Lol

I just found 8 of them with a friend

We both got killed lmao (i wasnt really paying attention)

[blazing halo]

Good thing I switched to "Retaliation" mode, or I'd be very d e a d.

(I'm doing some Photoshop work, actually, so I'm playing like once every 15-20 minutes)

[errant vine]

I just watch some youtube

Sometimes when i have work left to do i'll just go on developing whatever im working on and play some satisfactory in the background

It's a good grinding game

But since my server is up 24/7 i just put down a lot of storage containers before i go to sleep

[novel yarrow]

FG.AutosaveInterval 7200 in the game console - on large saves fixes 45-sec timeout on every game autosave (default interval is 300). The game is pretty stable now on Experimental.

[blazing halo]

It is... I also sometimes just play videos I've been meaning to watch, like the latest KnowingBetter about how Native Indians got reamed in the ass over and over and over again.

But right now, I'm doing Photoshop work... for work. :D

[novel yarrow]

More likely swapping mem to disk... so out of memory.

[blazing halo]

It doesn't actually happen on OOM. It's just a bug with buildables.

Also, it seems the game wants to alloc in RAM specifically (there's probably a flag in malloc() for that), because it crashes OOM even with swap enabled.

[novel yarrow]

I mean vm.swappiness parameter in Linux. If Windows... good luck

[blazing halo]

Yeah, but the default is 60, which is somewhat "balanced", right?

Unless most people either don't set up swap at all, or alter this value often... the game server shouldn't crash OOM when it reaches RAM, right? Does Linux come with swap as default? Because I don't remember...

[novel yarrow]

No. For memory-consuming applications (like Satisfactory DS) or virtualization hosts You want this value as high as possible. 60 means "start swapping memory to disk at 60% memory usage". So You want something like this in /etc/sysctl.conf:
vm.swappiness = 90

[blazing halo]

Actually, from what I found on linuxhint.com, it represents "start swapping at this % free memory left", so you probably want it at 10.

[novel yarrow]

As You can see there 25,5 of 32GB used, still no swap. They're wrong.

[blazing halo]

The default value of vm.swappiness is 60 and represents the percentage of the free memory before activating swap. The lower the value, the less swapping is used and the more memory pages are kept in physical memory.

linuxhint.com/understanding_vm_swappiness/

But regardless, it doesn't actually matter for my question. I was asking about OOM crashes when the game reaches physical RAM, not available virtual memory.

This should theoretically run into swap, but causes a crash instead. Which leaves me puzzled. Unless those systems I've seen crashes on don't actually have swap, which would correspond to the behaviour I'm seeing.

[mint junco]

Erm...

[blazing halo]

Maybe it remembrs the value it had last, and the connection was taken down?

[novel yarrow]

haven't pay a bill

[mint junco]

No idea, it was built before upgrading again to update 7. I'm in the swamp and just setting up some trains so I can get back and forth to civilisation.

Middle click copy isn't working either.
Anyone noticed that?

[frank finch]

Is that a personal keybind of yours? I don't use it for that.

[scarlet crater]

default keybind is middle click

[unique bay]

it's normal that items are disappearing from belts and mk5 are lagging?

[scarlet crater]

dedicated server?

[unique bay]

yes

[mint junco]

Yes you get a rendering error, that's been there since update 5 when I started playing.

[novel yarrow]

ok that's true the lower the better

[mint junco]

The hover pack is not retaining a charge.

[unique bay]

thanks. its a bit frustrating. that the belt bug where belts go randomly in other direction gets not fixed. the autosave lag. But this requires a proper save system

im always confused if I did a mistake or this dedicated thing is just not good

[mint junco]

I'm getting 80fps where I am presently.
That's an improvement.
We'll see what happens when I get to Blue Crater.

I have to say it feels much improved.

This is some general weirdness in the area though.
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/6374a226ca608e0803524dd7

[blazing halo]

It's not technically a rendering error.

Also, it seems that it's gotten worse in Update 7.

Now I get no items and just a clump at the start of the belt, even on Mk 1s.

[unique bay]

yes. same.

im a bit worried. they changed their update policy to push hardly to 1.0. But Dedicated servers get not much love :/. That 1.0 will not be with singeplayer 1.0

[mint junco]

I see what you mean, yup that's got worse

[scarlet crater]

is that a dedicated server?

[blazing halo]

WAY worse.

[unique bay]

yes. same here

[blazing halo]

This is a Mk1 belt. :/

[unique bay]

on mk1

[mint junco]

Yes I only play on a dedicated server.

[novel yarrow]

Just Satisfactory things 👌

[blazing halo]

... it's a feature - this way you can grab 'em even if the elevator is too high to reach! ||nvm that you can't grab shit off of an elevator 😂||

[unique bay]

so is this now a visual bug or game breaking bug?

[blazing halo]

It's all visual. As far as I can tell, items manage to get to the end of the belt just fine.

Maybe a restart will fix it. We'll see, haven't tried yet.

[unique bay]

shit. when it would be item magement maybe we would get a fix after 2 updates 😂

[blazing halo]

Such is life on the Dedicated Server.

🤷

[eternal ridge]

Did the epic version of the dedicated server update too? My game is on v208250.87 but the server is at v
202470.1491 and says its up to date.

[blazing halo]

The EPIC version of the Dedicated Server...

.... is currently serving the game instead of the server...

... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[novel yarrow]

another example of DS working as expected

[blazing halo]

Did you change the light bulb? It's a new U7 feature.

Check the #patch-notes if you don't believe me.

[novel yarrow]

...but this is U6...

[unique bay]

i think I will switch back to singeplayer. these bugs are really annoying

[blazing halo]

Nah, I'm pullin' your leg. 😂

[eternal ridge]

I'm not sure what you mean

[blazing halo]

If you try to download the Experimental U7 server from EPIC,

you will get the game client instead of the game server.

Because on each release, EPIC somehow manages to pull a perfect faceplant into mud. 😂

Last time, it was serving EX versions on both EX and EA.

Or was it EA versions? 😂

Just download the server form STEAM using steamcmd, save yourself the headache. :D

[eternal ridge]

But I have the dedicated server, its just not up to date...
Ok

[blazing halo]

Maybe they fixed it? And now it's just out of date... I don't know. Abort EPIC. :D

[topaz badger]

okay came here to ask what's up w/ the DS on Epic and it's looking like it's just busted ya?

guess I open steam and get that one installed 🤮

[blazing halo]

Just use steamcmd. It's the simplest.

[next vapor]

I assume there's no workaround for the belts not showing items?

[topaz badger]

forsure, was kinda odd the guide really only explained the steam version

would help to have a banner or warning there about the epic version at least but 🤷

i felt like a jackass launching the epic one and it opened the game over and over, haha

it's been a long day :/

[next vapor]

there a way to set passive creatures on a dedi?

[blazing halo]

I don't know... I do know that if you're logged in as an admin and go into Advanced Game Settings > Creatures and configure the setting, it'll work.

I don't know if it's per-player or if you can configure it only as an admin.

[next vapor]

gotta be a variable for it somewhere...

the belt visual bug is pretty annoying. haven't played in a while and this one's going to make me not want to heh

cant grab things off belts

[topaz badger]

so in a MP game i would share a session ID, but how do I get players on a server? just share IP:port?

[frank finch]

The port shouldn't change, so you'd just need to share the IP and make sure the port is being allowed in on your firewall/router.

Windows firewall typically blocks normal game ports by default, and you'd likely need to allow it on your router as well.

[blazing halo]

Not sure what you mean by "the port shouldn't change". It's configurable.

By default, the Query port is 15777, and that's what the game fills out. If you don't mind it being all over the place (7777, 15000, 15777) - by all means, leave it alone... ;P

[frank finch]

Right, the game does fill it out automatically, and is configured by default. I don't know why you'd want to change it, but yeah I guess you could.

[devout frost]

So about dedi servers and experimental, we got it on the server, but have noticed some oddities, for one it takes longer to load. You can no longer connect a wire to a building and then place a wall mount to a beam using the auto place feature, you can't copy items unless you press F first, and worst of all it crashes every time it auto saves, and without saving mind you.

[slender garnet]

Experimental patch day 1: ✅

[blazing halo]

For one, I have all of my stuff configured, and the 15xxx range is already spoken for. :D The range I have free is 20xxx. :D

[slender garnet]

Report bugs here: https://questions.satisfactorygame.com

The copy items and more are already reported, but feel free to check if the other bugs you found are 😊

[frank finch]

There's a workaround for everything :). I have a habit of assuming that most people are running their server in the cloud or on an otherwise standalone box.

[blazing halo]

I don't see how that relates, to be honest. Can you elaborate?

[frank finch]

Which part? Running on a standalone server?

If I'm not mistaken, the port you use for a service is only locally significant to the server/processes. If you have a separate standalone server running the satisfactory service it shouldn't matter what other ports you're using on your network because it's bound to IP/Port not just port.

[scarlet crater]

this behavior expected for dedicated server I guess?

bah

[blazing halo]

Hey, I figured it out! :D Whatever mechanism works to move the items, it removes the 1 in front, and adds 1 in the back... but it never moves them forward. They just keep climbing into space. :D

[scarlet crater]

A GIF version

[blazing halo]

Yes, expected. Predictive algorithms + incoming corrections.

Unfortunately, even further broken in U7.

[frank finch]

^

[blazing halo]

Ah, I see where you're coming from. That's all well and good on IPv6, where every machine on your network has an Internet-reachable IP address. Unfortunately, in IPv4-land NAT exists, and to the rest of the world, you appear as a single computer. Port sharing is a thing of necessity. :)

I host multiple servers for a total of 10 games.

[frank finch]

Pretty sure there should be a solution, even behind NAT

[blazing halo]

A solution to do... what, exactly?

I'm still somewhat confused.

[frank finch]

Use the same port behind your single public IP

[scarlet crater]

Hmm that one cores CPU usage is kinda high

and my dedicated server kicked me lol

[frank finch]

Satisfactory is single-thread intensive, from what i've read.

[blazing halo]

As in, offer the game on ports 7777, 15000 and 15777? Sure, I can forward them that way. But why? The 15xxx range I have reserved for CryoFall.

[blazing halo]

That is correct.

[scarlet crater]

game starts auto save, I get booted...

[blazing halo]

If your save time takes longer than 30 seconds, your game will assume the server died and close up shop. This happens because, during saving, the server simply goes mute.

[scarlet crater]

You can specify different ports

[2022.11.16-01.57.42:687][542]LogGame: Total Save Time took 33.137 seconds

[blazing halo]

... that's what I said I was doing. To which you replied with a "there's a workaround for everything". So... what did you mean, exactly?

If you didn't mean that this was a problem, what did you mean? Did I misunderstand?

[scarlet crater]

That was not my reply

[frank finch]

Not saying you should, the way you're doing it is probably the easiest solution. But most people probably aren't in a scenario they need to deviate from the default port. Especially if this is where they're asking their questions.

[blazing halo]

Apologies, you are correct. :)

[scarlet crater]

If the ports overlap just change the ports satisfactory is using.

[frank finch]

Right, you're coming in a bit late to all this 😛

[blazing halo]

So what you're basically saying is "don't tell people to change the default ports, it generates confusion". Did I understand correctly?

I'm not attacking, here. I'm genuinely trying to understand if that's what you wanted to imply.

[frank finch]

I don't think so. All I said originally is that they shouldn't need to use something other than the default, and that I don't know why they would NEED to change it in most scenarios. You obviously are an exception lol.

Same here my dude, all good 🙂