math-and-meta

[oblique hollow]

it happens due to the linear nature of pressure in pipes

[cedar mica]

You can get rid of sloshing, by packing everything. Only way I have found to make sure

[oblique hollow]

pressure is literally just volume / max volume

and then there is overfill

which keeps pressure up

[ripe quarry]

that might make sense for a pressure of compressible liquids

but incompressible it would always be 1

[oblique hollow]

well then satis fluids are all compressible xd

would make sense why you can pack 1 m3 into a canister thats smaller than 1 m3.....

[cedar mica]

Or how things have different size on belt vs outside of it

[median heath]

I never want them to fix it.
Sloshing reminds people to stop thinking about pipes in terms of belts. 🙃

[cedar mica]

I guess thats fair

[oblique hollow]

sloshing isnt the reason why mk 2 cant do 600

its that full pressure = full pressure for junctions

pressure doesnt go above 1 or something

[cedar mica]

I think sloshing is more a result of not constant usage and production. Any dead space, will slosh fluids one way or the other.

[magic egret]

i thought it happens when a fluid reaches a dead end and gets bounced back, hence why you need a loop at the end

[cedar mica]

A machine making 60/m, dont output 1/s

[cedar mica]

Dont a pipe going into a building, counts as a dead end?

[oblique hollow]

its less bouncing back, empty pipes dont do this

[magic egret]

i mean like at the end of a manifold for example

[cedar mica]

Simple fix then, dont use splitter at the end, but make it go directly into last machine

[oblique hollow]

if anything, its actually something like water hammer.
water hammer in sidelines that interrupts the mainline

[magic egret]

thatd make sense too

tho its basically the same thing

fluid hitting the pipe with force

css should add surge drums lol

[oblique hollow]

buffers

thats the reason why you do loops

[median heath]

💦 🔨

[oblique hollow]

the loop part allows the flow to not be at 600 and thus you have some extra capacity to take the blow

[magic egret]

true

[cedar mica]

Has anyone tested loop vs direct connection as the last part? As in it dont end it a splitter

Or put another machine at the end, to use the last splitter port

[oblique hollow]

last connection doesnt matter

its the first junction that ruins it

[cedar mica]

So the moment you split fluid, you get the issue?

[oblique hollow]

the very first one that splits the mk 2 into 2 x 300 flow

the moment that sideline mk 2 backs up you get Mk 2 Hammer

it doesnt happen if the machine consumes 300 tho

[median heath]

So do a fluid balancer KAPPA

[oblique hollow]

since then it cant fill up

[oblique hollow]

the one time where this might be true

[cedar mica]

What happens if first split, is into 2x 300 manafolds?

[oblique hollow]

mk 1 doesnt seem to have that issue, same for mk 2 at 300 flow

and in essence, a loop does exactly that, split it into 2 300 manifolds

[median heath]

Mk1s behaving

[magic egret]

doesnt that mean that the problem doesnt occur if you feed the manifold in the middle

[oblique hollow]

hmm technically....

worth a try

[vapid gorge]

I've done that, it's still had issues w/o a loop or other fixes

[wind spade]

loop is safer

[vapid gorge]

I strongly suspect part of the problem is machines sucking up too much fluid in one go creating empty spaces in spots so that if the pipes arent full and timed properly water will start flowing backwards and interupt flow causing feedback loop in the production

[wind spade]

also feed from above, then it shouldn't matter

[vapid gorge]

You can still have problems from top feeding. And bottom feeding is fine as long as you are aware 😛

[oblique hollow]

loop still needed when feeding from ANYWHERE

the first pipe can and will still fill up

and then you get the pressure surge

[vapid gorge]

The rat on my shoulder agrees with this statement

[median heath]

So you either loop, or balancer.

[fierce ruin]

worth it?

[median heath]

Imo, no.
Power Storages are practically useless since they desynced geothermal

[fierce ruin]

in the most practical use, you can have enough power storage to even out the fluctuation coming from geothermal

[wind spade]

or you can have enough power 🤷‍♂️

[fierce ruin]

also if my power grid fails, i have a lot of time before total faliure

[median heath]

The fluctuation from geothermal in total is about 1.5 GW.

Which if you're REALLY strapped for that much there's an issue.

[wind spade]

it's better to invest time and resources to systems that can reboot your power rather than systems that can hold your power a bit longer

[magic egret]

doesnt hurt to have a grace period in case you inadvertantly make a mistake

[fierce ruin]

i dont think 100 will be a bit more time

[median heath]

Get the consistent, minimum 3.5 GW for geothermal is more than enough from that source imo.

When it was synced and the variance from geothermal was over 50% of the total power, yes they had much worth.

[wind spade]

it doesn't, but it's still not a solution, just delaying the error

[median heath]

@fierce ruin power storages do look nice though, so they have that going for them.

[magic egret]

yeah but it gives you time to undo the error before your grid shuts down

[wind spade]

assuming you notice the error, can fix it in time, etc... and if you don't, you still need a system that re-starts your power

[fierce ruin]

i now have the most unnecessary power storage

[wind spade]

so wouldn't it be better to make a system that re-starts your power? you'll also notice immediately that your power is not working since everything will stop, you won't have to check your power storages all the time if they are discharging or not

[ember shale]

Looks like a Lithium Ion pack, to me. Peak design.

[deft lichen]

power storages got me through tiers 5 and 6 just with 2400 MW from coal, I wouldn't say they're unnecessary or bad

I just didn't sink excess so as long as I didn't take too many things out of storage at once, it was fine (max consumption at 6 GW 😛 )

[ember shale]

Yeah, they have a use case early on when you're not producing effectively infinite power. Can let you keep building without stopping to make more/bigger plants for a little while. Especially when you don't have 100% uptime on your full grid's consumption.

[fierce ruin]

my power gird has too much power free if 100 power storages has no bad effect

[deft lichen]

they stop being as important once a large fuel/turbofuel/nuclear power plant is built, but I still won't get rid of them (why would I)

[ember shale]

Would you say that you are satisfied having built it?

[fierce ruin]

ofc the charge time fluctuates due to geothermal

[fierce ruin]

yes lmao

[ember shale]

Then you are playing the game as intended.

Nothing else ultimately matters.

Math-wise, is it a good or bad idea? The answer is always "depends".

[fierce ruin]

i already have 20 power storage units before building, so since i have 120, when full, i will have 12GW of power stored

[ember shale]

To receive your precious stators and modular frames back, obviously.

[magic egret]

i just realized i could make an alarm sound when the grids overtaxed and the power storages kick in to make them even more useful

[tawny chasm]

i like to use isolated buffers so i can restart poewr plants

i.e. for a coal power plant, fluid buffers full of water

in the roof

[cinder silo]

If you think that's unnecessary you haven't seen mine haha, 7200 power stores in one facility, 72 identical rooms like the one pictured here 🤣

[ember shale]

Papa Elon would be proud.

[tawny chasm]

with power storage i think my new rule is going to be enough capacity for one hour discharge time for current capacity, so if i fuck up, I have one hour to fix the power grid 🤣

fortunately my grid rarely trips

[cinder silo]

I just built as many power stores as I could get away with on that site, I had half built a way larger store but It caused my pc at the time to chug hard when I hit 16000.

Lesson learned at the time, don't build colossal structures with the intention of building 32,000 power stores, not my brightest move 🙂

[ember shale]

Only not that bright because you built so many stores and not enough lights.

🧠

[cinder silo]

That place was lit, each floor was 20x20 stores and lit by 16 ceiling lights, sometimes scaling back and building in other places is more helpful.

[ember shale]

But.... more

[sterile lagoon]

if you have a charged bank of batteries disconnected from your main grid you can connect it to restart power production if you suffer a total failure

[stark bronze]

except that there are tiny goblins in the batteries themselves that discharges them when power supply is down
the only difference is youll be notified only after a while

[topaz hedge]

Their purpose is to prevent a total failure. if it's setup right, you'll normally have a few hours from the notice to grid failure.

so keep them connected to the grid. There's also the issue that if you're producing 1000mw, but you're using 1200, 200 is coming from the batteries. but if it's setup so you connect it after failure, now 1200 is coming from the batteries.

[twilit axle]

I have graduated from winging it to putting down design on paper!

More or less trying to figure out the layout and needs for assemblers

[frosty owl]

Tbh, I prefer a few power storages to a power facility to kickstart power plants. Quicker to build and easier on the FPS imo

[frosty owl]

Iirc, the discharge notice warns when there's <30 minutes worth of charge left...
Or did it notify at 50% too?

[topaz hedge]

It's based on %

I think it's 75, 50, 25 you get notices

[still trout]

for me it says that power storages are draining at 40%

or was it 60%

dunno

[topaz hedge]

it's just percentage. it doesn't give you a time. the notice is to get your attention so you'll check a powerpole.

[fierce ruin]

the numbers i definitely dont hate seeing

geothermal power at its finest

[ember shale]

What a lovely capacity wave.

[harsh fractal]

yeah i like that the geysers make the capacity waves do that

[sterile shard]

sin(x) 😅

[small kayak]

I had an idea about making a dedicated fab with a train station for every low to mid tier item and just grab what is needed from there to make higher end stuff.
My guess is that this approach will produce too much traffic on the rails, but maybe someone got it working that way and can give me some hints?

[median heath]

Is it not simpler to make all of those materials in one location and have a single train pick them up?

[small kayak]

maybe, but let me rephrase that:
i.e. ingots:
a fab with a station for iron ingots
a fab with a station for copper ingots
a fab with a station for caterium ingots

and so on

[soft scarab]

Usually not worth moving ingots. Move ore or move processed materials

[median heath]

Fab = ?
Because I keep reading it as shorthand for "fabulous"

[soft scarab]

Fabrication / fabricator

IE factory

[median heath]

Fabricator would indicate single machine so that doesn't make sense to me.
Calling an entire factory a "fab" is a stretch in that context, but I'll try to work with it...

[soft scarab]

I think they’re thinking of it like a fab lab

[median heath]

If you're meaning like have 1 outpost that produces all Iron Plates and distributes them everywhere... yeah I'd agree with your own initial assumption that is a bad idea.

[small kayak]

I have no problem calling that a factory, fab is only what got stuck as short version of it

[cinder silo]

Glad I'm not alone 🤣

[small kayak]

as non native speaker it's sometimes not so easy...

[median heath]

No worries.
Just my term for what you're describing is "outpost".

[soft scarab]

Yeah assuming you want to achieve any kind of significant scale of production you won’t want to move basic items around. Make them where you use them.

[small kayak]

yeah, probably will make mid tier stuff in some outposts to be available as input for high tier factories

Thanks!

[median heath]

Everything that can be produced without research in T1-2 I make on-site.
Steel I make as much on-site as I can, but sometimes requires satellite outposts to supplement.

Everything from Stators up I usually do a singular outpost for that supplies all others.
Few exceptions based on local resource availability.

[small kayak]

will make a small basic alu factory now and then go for an outpost for rubber and plastic next, the newly acquired blender should help with that

[shell otter]

what's the formula for water required in coal generators ? i need to get rid of 9.61m^3 but the clockspeed doesnt seem to scale with water consumption linearly

tried the calculator websites but they dont seem to do only water input

[mystic moon]

It should

[median heath]

Pro Tip: stop overclocking power generators.

[mystic moon]

Coal gen normally takes 45 water, so just divide 9.61/45 and put that in as clock speed

[shell otter]

yeah thats what i did but it doesnt work

[median heath]

Doesn't work that way.

[mystic moon]

Oh yeah lol

[median heath]

Power is exponential, not linear.

So when you adjust clock on gens, resource change is also exponential, not linear.

[mystic moon]

Yup

[median heath]

Which is why I don't recommend adjusting clock on generators.

[shell otter]

im not overclocking im underclocking; it's a water byproduct from sulfuric acid and aluminium and junk

[median heath]

Should just recycled those back into line, no?

Else I would just do wet concrete or something 🤷‍♂️

[shell otter]

mehhhhhh

[unborn ermine]

Its easier to eat the excess up sometimes

[shell otter]

i guess i could turn up the reactor but i hate wasting fuel like that

the fluids are being recycled but there's still a bunch left over 'cause of the way ive organised things

[median heath]

Fuel can't be wasted by turning up a gen.
The amount of MJ per unit doesn't change.

[shell otter]

i mean like making power that im not using

my production's already above what i need

[median heath]

Yes.

Production should always be above what you need.

Like... skyrocketing far into the atmosphere above what you need.

[shell otter]

fair honestly

[median heath]

So that you never have to even think about power.

Max Uranium is like 600 GW.
Do we need that much? Never.
But we do it so power never is a factor in decision-making

[sacred orbit]

ok, i'm torn on how to build my Bomb Factory. i can set it up in one way that splits coal output 60/180, routing the 180 into basic recipe steel production to make the exact rate of steel pipes i need for the bombs, but i'd like to save power by using the Solid Steel Ingot recipe. HOWEVER, that would only use 120 coal, leaving an extra 60 coal free. if i were to use it for more black powder, then i'd need more pipe production or sinking extra powder... should i just underclock the coal miner?

[median heath]

What I always do is build my production to the most resource-efficient standard, and if I have extra coal I slap some generators down. Free power from excess 🤷‍♂️

[sacred orbit]

no nearby water

[sacred orbit]

so, go for the Solid Steel Usage?

[median heath]

Where are you that has coal with no water?

[sacred orbit]

the water isn't deep enough

[median heath]

Interesting.

[sacred orbit]

i'm considering something else, but dad just got home, so i'll brb.

i'd also like to make rotors here, with the copper vein in the area. using only two normal iron nodes for the steel leaves another two for rotors. i have the copper rotor and steel rotor recipes unlocked. should i try to pull an extra 40 coal from the node(extracting 220/240 total then) and somehow balance 60/160 split to make steel pipes... wait... steel pipes and wire... that's the Stator recipe... and i'm already doing that elsewhere...

i'm dumb...

oh well

[still trout]

80/160?

[sacred orbit]

i only need 60 coal for black powder. that leaves 180 for steel pipes. the resulting 60 black powder out works perfectly with the pipes, as 180 steel ingots can make 120 steel pipes, and combined with 60 powder makes a perfect ratio for bombs

so, i have 120 wire coming out here. the motor production i have(basic stators and steel rotors) uses 110 wire. if i setup a manifold with a smart splitter set to overflow at the end(the last splitter in the line), would the manifold work?

[median heath]

Put the overflow splitter prior to the manifold.

[sacred orbit]

why are the "centers" misaligned?

[frosty pawn]

maybe it's lining up with something else behind you?

[sacred orbit]

welcome to Marinara Land. if i set overflow of copper wire to split from the bottom belt to the output belt of motors and set the smart splitter to sort motors left into storage with a center overflow to a sink, everything here should work out, right?

[digital sparrow]

ok ....maybe im missing something

im inputting 720 into a train station , relatively short distance , and only like 660 coming out the other side

the input and output have double mk4 belts to handle the start and stop of items during unloads/loads

and the input station never fillls up , only bout half way each time ....so in theory should easily transfer the 720 but im only getting 660

[sacred orbit]

if i use a smart splitter, could i theoretically avoid using this setup to divide 240 into 60 and 180?

[teal monolith]

Regarding strictly power producers- clock speed IS linear to input requirements.

So you're free to overclock coal / fuel gens etc with no downside in terms of usage.

Think of it as trading power shards for less space requirement to produce X output power

[topaz hedge]

How do you know you're getting 660? If you're going off the platform UI it's probably wrong. Major, if you want to limit to 60 you could use a mk1 belt.

[teal monolith]

Super pro tip: go ahead &do it if you've got shards to spare

[topaz hedge]

Overclock everything. Also protip.

Water extractors for nuclear? Overclock. Miners, overclock. Production machines overclock. Particle accelerators, maybe not.

[digital sparrow]

can the items per min listed on train stations be trusted?

[oblique hollow]

eh, not really

buuut they give an estimate on the order of magnitude

[frosty owl]

Yes

You would be needing one less splitter, just a smart splitter and a merger

[frosty owl]

If I understood everything correctly, yes. Personally, I love merging stuff on output belts as I find that an incredibly "easy" way to be surely cutting down on beltwork

[small kayak]

I managed to place a single water extractor in this pool. It was tricky...

[sacred orbit]

Not worth, producing extra steel products with the excess coal

[vapid estuary]

Went on a tour for hard drives. Came back with 39. 6 hours. F

[muted crypt]

were you analyzing the drives while you were out and about?

going to guess by the sheer quantity no, but it doesn't hurt to ask anyway

[unborn ermine]

Its good to stockpile them anyways unless you are going for 100%
nice to get the basics done then unlock a MAM section at a time to select what you want.

[median heath]

People should always do this..

[muted crypt]

that doesn't mean they did

it's good practice, but you don't know it until you either a) get told it's going to save you time or b) realize it yourself

[vapid estuary]

i was too busy doing the collection - building, falling, dying, fighting distracted spitters, etc. to futz with the mam. it would have been sensible to be doing 2 things at once, mind

i also am going to hold out for certain recipes. i have plenty to do in the meantime

[muted crypt]

Fair enough

[open geode]

not sure if this is the best place for this question so let me know if its not

What is the best way to run train logistics in a world with modular factories? It is seeming to get really complicated when I have a factory that has material that needs to go to several other factories in the world as well as my central storage room. How do you manage this from a overall point of view?

An idea I had was to send all materials from all factories to a central logistics base where they will be transferred to trains going out to other factories that need the material. My main storage room would also be located here since all items in the game go through that building. Is there a better way to manage the logistics? Ideally I want to just transfer what I need from one factory to the next but then I am faced with the issue of how I get some of that material to also go to a storage room and other factories evenly.

[median heath]

Best is subjective.
Only "best" practice I can tell you is don't make a global network first and then try to attach things.
Make your network as you make your outposts. Having it develop organically as you build will make it more efficient.

Note: "best" practice is to use all 3 logistics methods (trucks, trains, and drones) in concert in contrast to just doing everything via train.

[open geode]

I really want to try running logistics from factory to factory instead of a big central factory if I can but I just don't know about the advanced uses of trains. Is there a way to have a train only drop off half of its container at a station so it can drop the other half at the next stop?

I have used a fair bit of them when they didn't have collision but that seems to have almost completely changed how they work and how you need to think about your network

Right now the most viable options seems to be shipping everything to a central logistic hub and then send the materials I need back out on a train.

[median heath]

For dropping off, it's the exact same as manifolds.
It will drop everything at station A until those lines back up, after which it will drop only what A requires and take the remainder to station B.

Alternatively, because you know it's dropping everything at A, you can have it immediately split in half to send half onward and load the other half back onto the train.

Also collision doesn't change anything about how trains work as far as logistics, just how you have to do your rails.

[fierce ruin]

TODAY IS THE DAY I FINALLY COMPLETE STAGE 3

[still trout]

ok, average ficsit employee

[muted crypt]

Soon, my child

[magic island]

trains are ideal when you have a high volume of an item (or better yet, several items) that all need to travel to and from the same point(s). when implementing trains, think about which high-volume items ought to be travelling together, and mitigating unnecessary extra stops

trucks are great for rounding up a singular resource from multiple places, and or dropping it off at multiple outposts, and for visiting singular nodes/outposts that don't justify their own stop on the rail network.

drones are for when you've got, like, that one thing way off on the other corner of the map. they also make it easy to Trade an item between two places

from what you're describing, you might consider using trucks as first/last mile transport, rounding up items from various outposts to a load into a train station and transport them along the main rail corridor

[median heath]

Trucks are perfectly good for moving multiple resources.
No need to restrict them to a single item.

[vocal jetty]

yes just add smart splitters at the output

[fierce ruin]

and/or programmable splitters too?

idk

[median heath]

Poggers are bugged for one.
For 2, don't need to put smarts immediately at the output if you just leave the belt mixed all the way to production. 🤷‍♂️

[fierce ruin]

idk im having fun making a supercomputer factory

i decided to make it where you only input raw resources except for any oil products, it turned into a mess quickly

[oblique hollow]

nice, i just recently got all 500 engines too

now on to stage 4

[fierce ruin]

🍝

[cinder silo]

D'oh! belt clipping fml.

[fierce ruin]

its gonna be way better when resources are running through them, its gonna be a mess tryna understand it

machiiiines

[open geode]

I was thinking of something along those lines, but I still dont know how to work train logistics between all my factories. I am building a large assembly factory to produce 5 unique items at mass quantity at the moment and I want to make sure I plan for a proper train logistics system that can carry the items elsewhere. I was planning to build the world where there is only one factory for each unique item that supplies the factories that need it elsewhere on the network. Do I need to have a train for each unique item leaving the factory and have that make a loop to everywhere that needs that item?

[magic island]

that sounds like it would give you a lot of tiny trains, and/or a really long train that makes too many stops

[open geode]

yeah that's the issue I am running into... It may to be best to route everything to a massive logistics hub with 20 or 30 train stations that can transfer items between inbound and outbound routes to various factories

[fierce ruin]

im not even done hooking up power lines holy shit

[soft scarab]

Generally building a setup that produces each individual item en masse will run into the issue that you need massive quantities of base items (plates, rods, etc) and those are better made on-site where they’ll be used

[timber flare]

Yes ? thats like 2 coal gens

[fierce ruin]

wait until i get more power shards ;)

and i still have way moe to hook up

[quartz violet]

ew why are you overclocking coal gens

[timber flare]

Dont

[fierce ruin]

not the coal gens, the factory

[quartz violet]

oh

[timber flare]

Still dont get your point

[quartz violet]

still you could just make more buildings

[timber flare]

The standard 8 coal power plant is 600mw

[quartz violet]

standard?

oh wait I see why that would be standard now

[burnt wraith]

the deluxe 8 pack is 700mw

and the premium is 800mw

[fierce ruin]

that means i need to route conveyer belts to the new buildings

[quartz violet]

overflow belts

[fierce ruin]

this factory's conveyer belt system is already spaghetti, i dont need it to be worse

[open geode]

I am not too concerned about this in the long run, I can just build a massive rod and plate factory with several train routes on the same station. I already have a pretty big one producing close to 1k per minute of each

[fierce ruin]

space isnt a concern, this is being built in the sky

[soft scarab]

I’m building a HMF factory that is going to use 9,000 steel pipes per minute. Trust me, you do not want to be moving basic parts all over the map at any kind of scale

[quartz violet]

overflow belts are the least spaghetti thing you can do

[soft scarab]

Especially when you don’t need to. Why ship iron ore halfway around the world only to bring it back as plates?

Then again if that’s the challenge you’re trying to take on by all means go for it

[open geode]

that can be on a case by cases basis, and for low level parts I dont have a problem with having more than one location for those

so do I have a central logistics hub so I avoid a bunch of headache? I can just sink all the excess there too with smart splitters

[fierce ruin]

THE FINAL CYCLE

YEEEEEEES

[fierce ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-hands-bravo-great-gif-15006664

[fierce ruin]

i think i found the best reason to use power shads on production machines

balancing resource usage

i want to keep my machines at 100% working time in a factory, so i keep the last machine at 100% and adjust other machines as needed to match resource requirement

that means some stuff gets underclocked to meet the same usage too

[soft scarab]

Why use power shards and not just underclock

[tawny chasm]

have you done stage 4 before McG?

@fierce ruin yeah just build an extra machine and underclock it, save those shards 😄

(if you want to!)

[median heath]

You guys are going to hate my outposts this run lol.
I'm OCing everything to save even more space just to see what it enables design-wise.

[still trout]

^^^

[oblique hollow]

yea, but never completed it

[cedar goblet]

I trapped a pet within my conveyor spagetti.

Accidentally, of course.

Yet it stays here because of the fact that it can't simply walk over the conveyors.

Not realistic, but I didn't design the game. : P

[frosty owl]

I preferì doing the literal opposite: leaving "all" machines at 100% and leaving the ones at the end of the line with different clocks.

That or I just OC the whole line to the same clock (but the previous method requires less shards)

[frosty owl]

Spoiler: makes sushi even more convenient

[timber flare]

Full oil setup in my new U6 world all condenced to this small area.
60refs doing HOR.
80refs doing diluted fuel.
30 refs doing residual rubber
30 refs doing recycled rubber
30 refs doing recycled plastic

6 full pipes of fuel going out to my generator farm. and the remaining 2 fueling recycled stuff

[fierce ruin]

noice, perhaps someday i can do stuff like that lol

[timber flare]

This is the area above coal lake north of the grasslands

[fierce ruin]

depends on how large the production line is, if there is a decent number of machines, it makes sense to tune other machines accordingly

[near delta]

all this beautiful FPS

[vague frost]

Ok so question so when it says it needs 3 of an item then down below it says 45 a min does that mean it needs 45 sets of 3 a min or am I just really stupid and just did a bunch of math wrong

[median heath]

3 per cycle
45 per minute

[wind spade]

it means it needs 3 per craft or 45 per minute

you either use one or the other number, depending on what you're doing

[vague frost]

well looks like i just did a whole bunch of math for nothin

[wind spade]

if you're trying to figure out how much you need on a belt, you use the per minute numbers
if you're trying to see how good a recipe is (e.g. how much resource efficient), you use the fixed numbers

[vague frost]

ok thank you you just saved me

[manic steeple]

Does anyone have a good example (or multiple examples) of how you could plan out a production line on a spreadsheet?

[oblique hollow]

start at the end

and work your way back

[wind spade]

and when you get bored of it, use online tools to do it for you 😛

(though yeah I recommend trying it for yourself, that makes you understand the mechanics more, just in the lategame it's almost impossible to do proper calculations without mistakes or compromises)

[tropic hawk]

Start with the desired result and work your way back.
Or build a database of the different recipes and create macros so that when you put one thing in it creates a list of what you need as far as inputs and recipes.

[tropic hawk]

Got a Google sheet I found on reddit that it is useful. It is missing packaged products, but it's quite good for others.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fnbr7lOTfIflAdGbdbs7UZd_e5D3hRRTgmRQFBBBMFU/edit?usp=drivesdk

[manic steeple]

I'm talking about how to actually lay it out on a spreadsheet. I've been planning things out using a notebook but I want to solution that I can change in the future but I can't figure out a way to neatly organize each prod. line.

This is what I've been doing.

[manic steeple]

Apparently I need access that I don't have to view it.

[tropic hawk]

Shit. Imma go find the original on reddit, one moment

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/qbf41z/make_sure_youre_ready_for_update_5_heres_my/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

There we are!

Again, it's technically outdated, but it works for the recipes that didn't change

[manic steeple]

In the past I've used the online calculators but this time around I'm trying to calculate everything on my own (at least for now) just to challenge myself.

[wind spade]

yeah that's fair. Then indeed working from the product back to ingredients is just way easier

[tropic hawk]

If you want to challenge yourself don't do it like that (unless you love math). I do constraints on my build, such as modular input, unbreakability, remote throttlability, etc.

[manic steeple]

Plus I personally found that using external resources took out a part of what I initially enjoyed about Satisfactory.

[tropic hawk]

If you want to do this, do a Word Document or a Google Doc, and use the bulleted list, and hit tab to nest cells.

Or figure out how to nest cells in Excel. Because I have no idea how to do that.

[wind spade]

honestly a graphing tool would probably be better

like draw.io

[manic steeple]

I'm still early stages in my current playthrough (just got my first coal power plant built yesterday) so production lines aren't terribly complicated.

[manic steeple]

I'll have to look into that, thanks!

[tropic hawk]

Again, that's how I make challenges for myself.

[median heath]

My current challenge involves a lot of waves...

[near ivy]

Howany fps is that?

[icy sundial]

I unlocked drones so I need to make batteries, but how many do I need?

[wind spade]

depends how many will the drones use 🤷‍♂️

[median heath]

Error: insufficient information provided.
Question = unanswerable.

[wind spade]

drones need batteries based on distance of flight

[magic egret]

its 4 batteries minimum + 1 for each kilometer of flight distance

[icy sundial]

The question is messier because I don't know how many drones I'll use lol

Are bauxite wells rare? I don't wanna waste the few I have solely on batteries

[magic egret]

there are enough that you can make everything you need ime

[median heath]

They added bauxite WELLS 👀

[crude coyote]

Well, well, well..

[vapid gorge]

100 batteries per minute will give you TONS of fuel for many many drones and doesn't consume much bauxite. But I recommend finding the alternate battery recipe.

assuming you aren't doing a world spanning project

[glad vigil]

Liquid bauxite

[median heath]

Sloppy Bauxite 😉

[timber flare]

Delicious

[glad vigil]

Diluted alumina solution

[timber flare]

Now that would be beautifull

[oblique hollow]

sloppy is basically diluted

[icy sundial]

ahah yeah sorry, what's the correct term? Patches?

[median heath]

Ore Nodes?

Wells are the things we use Pressurizers on.

[unborn ermine]

This makes me want tier 4 miners or something, fluid outputs.
https://www.epa.gov/uic/class-iii-injection-wells-solution-mining

Injects water to dissolve and extract ores and materials

[stark bronze]

They added that in U4

[unborn ermine]

Not for sulphur and uranium

[stark bronze]

sulfur might make a lot of sense actually

just need water into the pressurizer and out comes sufuric acid
one step further towards overthrowing refineries

[frosty owl]

I would upvote such a QA post

[unborn ermine]

The best part too, it would just be a tech tree boost and not an early game changer.
By the time you get to this, you would most likely be deep into trains or have pipelines set.

[muted crypt]

if you were to do it with uranium you'd need to inject the sulfuric acid rather than water, yeah?

[unborn ermine]

Im almost thinking if they did that they would need a new fluid type, so probability of that being base game content dropped a bit.
But just a bit.

[sacred orbit]

Curiosity: coal gens require 15 coal per minute, right? That’s why eight take 120/min?

[soft scarab]

Yes

[sacred orbit]

Right.

Next: anyone else super picky about the height of their factories? Like, when you build your first factory, there’s four positions within one 8x4 block of grid that you can align foundations to. Once you’ve selected which of these four possibilities you like, do you try to make sure every other factory is along that same alignment as much as possible?

[oblique hollow]

no i just place them on any height because i do not use the world grid

[deft lichen]

I started the save before global grid was added, so I just build from the same origin, extending it through long-distance train tracks

if I was using global grid I probably wouldn't care for the vertical offset

[sacred orbit]

Ok

[soft scarab]

I prefer to align my buildings based on the local terrain features whenever there’s something interesting to build around. If I wanted a uniform grid I would just build sky factories

[wind spade]

^ this so much

[ember shale]

Same, but that's how I spend 8 hours building a shell around a perfectly good coal factory

[wind spade]

you can have so cool factories when you work with terrain yet 99% of people are like "can I remove this" and "you must put everything on global grid" and they end up with just a flat ground 2D factories on foundation field

[ember shale]

#touchthedamndirt

[woeful rapids]

Are path signals even worth it? It feels like all the train slowdowns end up being worse than if one just went through the interesection at full speed. I only use path signals where im supposed to (where a rail crosses both rails) and i make the block leading up to the signal extra long to give the train time to reserve the block

[wind spade]

I think if you have proper spacing trains do not slowdown 🤔

[woeful rapids]

is the any indepth up to date guides regarding path signal optimization? most of the guides i seem to find are about how to use them and when to use them, but not how to optimize them

[median heath]

When you understand how they work and how chaining works, block signals become the rarest part of your network.

Signal Logic Rules has a section on how chaining works.

[topaz hedge]

Quick question.. do I need a second pump on the output?

or will pump between the buffer and source apply headlift correctly even when source stops outputting?

[magic island]

i usually build my factories such that at least one wall is a cliff face, and if there's ever a cool tree in the way I'll often build frame floors/walls around it with railings, instead of cutting it, so it can poke right through the building

If I ever built a factory as an endless expanse of foundations with no terrain integration, I'd fall alseep of boredom in my chair

[cedar goblet]

What the heck is going on here?

[wind spade]

let me guess, hoverpack?

[cedar mica]

EA, so no multiple slots and bladerunner is visible

[wind spade]

ah

[cedar goblet]

Ping me if you know a fix. I would be posting this on the Satisfactory Q&A Page, but apparently the website doesn't recognize my email.

[woeful rapids]

not to mention hes still in phase 2

[wind spade]

looks like not enough water @cedar goblet

[cedar mica]

From the looks of it, not enough water

[cedar mica]

Can still have hoverpack that early, if you are not following game progression

[cedar goblet]

I overlooked that part, thank you both.

[wind spade]

is my automatic first guess on power issues 🤷‍♂️ it's like 80% cases 😄

[cedar mica]

Yeah, that 100MW is a lot, for small outposts

[limpid kite]

Needs more water

[sinful rover]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SourSlipperyPartridgeKappaRoss-ybfkkwZVt-F5p7VT Snutt explains changes that will be made to make mk2 pipes work at a full 600 500m^3/min.

Summary: All recipes and buildings will be changed to produce use less fluid to take pipes down to something like 250/500, you won't need to do anything but the numbers will change.

Thought everyone here should know it's being planned

[stark bronze]

making fluids use base 5 as opposed to solid base 3 systems would be a fresh change
and filter out those who arent here for a challenge

[median heath]

Solid base 3?

[stark bronze]

most solid items and belts all use base 3 math

[median heath]

2.8125 is base 3?

Or better, first item you automate - Plates, coming out at 20 is base 3?

[frosty owl]

Who would've seen it coming

[vapid gorge]

It would take the highest lift between the pump and the buffer I believe

[vapid gorge]

Ah well as long as it doesn't need retooling that's fine. Though it was kinda fun making mk2 pipes work

[oblique hollow]

no it wasn't, its tedious and not satisfying at all

[unreal torrent]

what's a good rule of thumb for number of freight cars per mk5 conveyor?

[wind spade]

1

[unreal torrent]

really? is one freight car able to sustain that throughput, even for routes that stretch across the map?

[wind spade]

you can have multiple trains 😉

[magic egret]

youre not supposed to merge them all together if thats what youre thinking, so you have one belt per platform

[unreal torrent]

ok greeny. what's a good rule of thumb for number of freight cars and number of trains per mk5 conveyor?

[magic egret]

but depending on how much stuff you got and how long the round trip is you can also do a more precise calculation as shown here https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Electric_Locomotive#Train_throughput

[wind spade]

number of trains entirely depends on how long the track is 🤷‍♂️

if you don't want to calculate, just keep adding trains as long as they are going full. If they are leaving not full, then you know you have enough 😄

[unreal torrent]

ok, thanks 😅 guess i'll need to tinker before planning everything

[timber flare]

Wont the new fluid changes screw with packagers and container setups ?

[unreal torrent]

<.< napkin math shows worst case scenario of about 6 cars (going across the map=12 minute 1-way, 100 items), which was my original estimate. so I'll do 4, if it's not enough i can add a second train, and it has the added benefit of 1 locomotive per belt, too

.> although 3 would get me down to one splitter/merger on either end, instead of 3

[wind spade]

what changes?

[magic egret]

#math-and-meta message

[wind spade]

those are not yet in, nor known when they are coming

(and if they are even coming)

[wicked tinsel]

they will probably just adjust everything to match

packagers will either take less or work slower so ratios still hold

[magic egret]

yeah zago said everything will be adjusted automatically

[timber flare]

@wind spade #math-and-meta message

[wind spade]

already got sent that link above, see also my answer above

[timber flare]

I should finish reading the tread before XD

[timber flare]

Ye what i was worried about is fluid container item production not matching up to new fluid numbers

As the containers are not a fluid

[wicked tinsel]

to be honest, if you ask me, i would flash fluid values by like half at least

[magic egret]

theyll prob be smaller or something so the numbers stay the same

[wicked tinsel]

so old 600 would be new 300 or something

at least fluid containers would look more proper

[still blade]

ouch

[marble topaz]

HMF? Haha I think my 5/min came out at the same amount of iron haha

[still blade]

its 2/min

[quiet oar]

thats not even one full MK5 belt, its fine 😄

[median heath]

Fewer trains with more cars on longer routes = highest possible max throughput

[fierce ruin]

why does the game allow this

[stable sun]

Cause its how the game works

[deft lichen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeYAFCJ0N3I count how many variants you see

[stable sun]

I count 4 variants but 6 different speeds

[deft lichen]

look at the handrails at the end

[stable sun]

The last few look the same but different speeds

[fierce ruin]

i wish i had a 1200/min conveyer belt

[stable sun]

also keep in mind this video was made long before even mk 5 or 6 was added to the game

[stark bronze]

They removed mk6 because they realized just adding another rail isnt going to cut it
Totally not because of some other legit technical reasons

[wind spade]

even if you had 1200/min belt, you wouldn't have 1200/min belt

[stable sun]

:what:

Aww wtf, curse you

[river night]

you dont even have a 780/min belt if you make it anymore complex then a straight short connection between two machines

[deft lichen]

just make it 1205/min problem solved 😎

[wind spade]

(or weld together)

[stable sun]

if theirs 1200 items being made and the belt is rated for 1200 then you have 1200....

[river night]

"rated for" and "running at" are two distinct things =p

[deft lichen]

you forgot to consider lag

[wind spade]

except that's not how the game works. Belt may be rated for X/min, but belt segment connections lose throughput, most noticeable with faster belts

[river night]

even the 780 belt already starts dropping some throughput in many (common) situations

[stable sun]

Sounds like a whole lotta conspiracy theory to me

[river night]

thats why it'll never go higher in the base game, unless they manage to re-work and fix this inaccuracy. Similarly, they are talking about reducing pipes to 250/500 to fix their efficiency loss at max

[stable sun]

but hey you do you

[fierce ruin]

how does higher speed=less efficiency

[median heath]

Because 1200 was set before they knew you couldn't do 780 reliably.
Will be addressed later.

[river night]

they've been talking about potentially giving mk3 a second output, or rebalancing miners in general, we shall see

[fierce ruin]

why would 780 not be reliable
you can set the input of a larger factory to be 780 and 1200 and still be efficient

[median heath]

Because if you try to do 780 without using workarounds you won't get 780.

Belts can't handle it.

[fierce ruin]

how?

[river night]

its a technical limitation

[wind spade]

belt segment connections lose max throughput

[stable sun]

Uhhh

[median heath]

Let me just draw on my extensive, doctoral degree background in coding and say:

"because"

[wind spade]

if you connect two segments of mk5 belt together, you lose some of the throughput. It's already noticeable if you connect a few, so most people only rely on 750ish/min on mk5 belt or they only make mk5s full on one segment

[fierce ruin]

me who doesnt know what throughput means

[median heath]

Items/min = throughput

[river night]

just pretend mk5 belt is only 750 and you wont run into the issue most likely

[stable sun]

Doesn't limit anything the belts still work fine

[deft lichen]

if you were to stand by a belt and count how many items pass in a minute, that's throughput

[median heath]

You have me muted, but no - they do not.

That's why they will be addressing it.

Because they don't work fine.

[fierce ruin]

mk5 belts work fine for my 900 bauxite/min alluminum factory

[river night]

most people wont even really notice if a belt is running slightly slow

[wind spade]

"fine" maybe, but not at 100% of their capacity

[fierce ruin]

with mk4 belts my alluminum factory suffered

[median heath]

We are all happy to hear that.
But we are telling you the factual truth, whether you believe it isn't our problem.

[stable sun]

.999999%

oh no

[river night]

if power generation depends on 780 you might have generators shutting down, which is a far more obvious problem

[fierce ruin]

if a system relies on max belt speed its a problem

no matter what mk

[river night]

its just fine if the belts are reliable

[stable sun]

I have systems that expressly use 120 belts

cause thats how many items are being made

[fierce ruin]

i also usually make belts that are slowed down because higher belt speeds are uneeded

[stark bronze]

PSA
End the load balancer vs manifold war today! Know your previous worst enemy better and make it your best friend.
Manifolds DO:
-Provide consistent reliability
-Decrease stress when constructing
-Fit well in most spaces
Manifolds DON'T:
-Work as soon as it's constructed
-Leave any machine starved in the long run
-Take as much space and decrease as much aesthetics as load balancers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYAkmygsQBk

[stable sun]

I never use this

Load balance is better

[magic egret]

lol

[stable sun]

If a machine needs just 20/min i'ma give it just 20/min

No need to try and give extra

[median heath]

They work as soon as constructed if you prefeed them 😉

[magic egret]

thats fine, but beware of the splitter duplication bug, it can mess up perfectly balanced systems

[stark bronze]

i didnt show prefed ones in the video because its just the last static frame of the animation

[median heath]

Fair.

[stable sun]

Duplication?

Fine by me

[magic egret]

when you load the game there is a chance an item in a splitter gets duplicated

[river night]

imagine your nice balancer turning into a manifold because the splitters didnt work right 😛

[magic egret]

so things can sometimes back up unexpectedly

[stable sun]

Im usually ripping things out of machines anyways

[magic egret]

alright

[wary tulip]

Smart splitters with overflow…. Why care about it at all?

[stark bronze]

you mean used in manifolds or normally

[median heath]

Indeed.

[still blade]

so uh

[wind spade]

define better

[stable sun]

each machine gets what they need

what kinda question is that

[wind spade]

that's also true with manifold

[stable sun]

apparently not lmao

[stark bronze]

whats the problem
700 chunks of raw metal ore being made into into two pathetic cubes?

[wind spade]

yes, as soon as it stabilises, each machine gets what it needs

[magic egret]

if you can, get the heavy encased frames recipe, makes it much easier

[ember shale]

Yup, just has to fill first. Can fill while running, just will take longer.

[stark bronze]

greeny no need to keep going if even the video couldnt convince them

[stable sun]

it never does

[wind spade]

if your manifold never stabilises, you built it wrong

[ember shale]

All mine do. Weird.

[wind spade]

which is an achievement on it's own as it's almost impossible to make a mistake

[stable sun]

It was made just like any other

[magic egret]

people have been arguing with him all day but he wont listen

let him build balancers its fine too

[wind spade]

I'm bored 🤷‍♂️

[ember shale]

It begins to beg the question if he's serious or not, honestly.

[stable sun]

Theres nothing to listen to since i've already determined all possible errors with it

[median heath]

@wind spade that's why I just blocked.
They are the shining example of "you can't fix stupid".

[wind spade]

I'm not saying "don't build balancers". I'm just wondering what's their definition of "better" when talking about manifolds vs balancers

[river night]

did you consider the engineer that build it as a possible error? I'd say thats a big risk

[magic egret]

he just thinks manifolds plain dont work even when presented with evidence to the contrary

[wind spade]

controversial opinion: all builds are 100% efficient as they produce 100% of what they can

[ember shale]

😮

[stark bronze]

its not controversial if its right

[ember shale]

In America it can be both controversial and right at the same time. In fact, practically mandatory.

[wind spade]

unless we're talking about different efficiency (e.g. resource or power efficiency), in which case please specify that

[stable sun]

its not built wrong

[wind spade]

how does it "not work"? what does it do?

[ember shale]

Based on your statements to now I don't believe you're capable of proving that, but you really would have to.

[stable sun]

cause they literally never have if i try to make them

[stark bronze]

it still is
the resource efficiency never changes if you use the same recipe
same goes with power efficiency
and a setup only produce as much as its provided the inputs

which is 100% of what its supposed to do

[wind spade]

resource efficiency is usually compared between different recipe paths 🤷‍♂️ so a build is usually resource efficient if it's the cheapest recipe path given the resource weights

same for power

[stark bronze]

well from where you started i assumed you meant a set recipe combination, just how well someone executes it

anyways it seems like the video wont come in handy just yet

[wind spade]

again, please give us an example of what happens, so we can help you troubleshoot the problem

[stable sun]

I have many times and yall tell me im dumb and did it wrong lmao

no point

[wind spade]

you only said "it doesn't work"

[stable sun]

No i havent

[wind spade]

you never said how it doesn't work

[stable sun]

I've said exactly why its not working

[wind spade]

please link me that message (or type it again) because I must have missed it then

[stable sun]

Nah find it, im done

i'll just destory this anyways i hate the layout

[wind spade]

I can't find it in last 100 or so messages, so that's why I am asking

[wary tulip]

Curious… I wonder what is the most efficient oil power system?
By that I mean it uses fuel powerplants and outputs the most power minus the power used to create the system?
Including all alternate recipes as well.

[stable sun]

Go look at Kibbitz?

[wind spade]

alternate heavy oil residue -> diluted (packaged) fuel -> fuel generator

[stable sun]

I think its kibbitz

[wind spade]

it's "kibitz" and he doesn't always have the most efficient setups 🤷‍♂️

[magic egret]

diluted fuel is great yeah

[wary tulip]

That’s why I’m asking if anyone has done the actual math.

[stable sun]

the fuel gen he had a while ago was

[magic egret]

yeah check the wiki page for fuel generator

[wind spade]

what actual math? like how much you need? 300 oil -> 800 fuel (+ 200 polymer resin byproduct)

[stark bronze]

nothing complicated about that math
diluted uses 1 heavy oil to turn 1 water into another fuel

[wary tulip]

I’m currently setting up around 900-1000 oil input.

[wind spade]

1 hor + 2 water -> 2 fuel

[stark bronze]

finger slipped

[wary tulip]

I’ve currently got it configured to do the standard fuel recipe…. But only getting 8100 MW power output peak.

[stark bronze]

thats the awkward thing about meta alts
they make it not very intuitive to invest too much into the og recipe

[wary tulip]

That’s what I was thinking…. The original system seems lackluster.

[stable sun]

why would you

og recipes suck ass lotta the times

[wind spade]

yeah, with diluted fuel you get 300 oil -> 10 GW

[magic egret]

diluted compared to normal fuel lets you run 4 times as many generators

[obtuse elm]

MOX has been having this argument for days in the Design channel but won't actually demonstrate the problem. Just insists that a 10/m input split into the first machine consuming 2/m will never fill up that first machine and therefore, since there can't be any errors in their setup, manifolds are a lie.

[wary tulip]

The diluted fuel is a package full, and it’s an alt recipe, correct?

[deft lichen]

both diluted fuels are alts, one is in the refinery and the other in the blender

[cinder silo]

Both thankfully use the same resources and produce the same numbers, go with the blender 😄

[glad vigil]

There are 2 diluted fuel recipes and both of them are alts

One of them is for packager+refinery, another is for blender

[lime gulch]

what is the benefit of this alt recipe? It just seems more complicated, am I missing something?

[cinder silo]

I stayed with the standard recipe because of how trivial it is, AI limiters are just easy.

[glad vigil]

It uses slightly less copper and coal

[unborn ermine]

You get the alt recipe for circuits too and its great, cuts out oil

[glad vigil]

If you have already set up a high-speed connector factory and have excess connectors, you can use those to boost your electromagnetic rod production

[unborn ermine]

Though it does look weird I will say

[lime gulch]

well the original doesn't use oil in the first place

nor quartz

[stable sun]

I’m not saying it won’t fill, just hasn’t

The setup is literally what everyone says to do

And it’s not working

[wind spade]

it needs some time to fill up

you can get around that by pre-filling machines

[stable sun]

I’m pretty sure over night is enough time to see some sorta “filling”

Which it hasn’t

[wind spade]

can you share screenshot of your setup?

[wind spade]

that's hardly true. Alternate recipes are different. They give you an alternative that you can use if you feel like it's worth for you

[wary tulip]

The blender recipe is the most efficient it appears… will look into retooling the fuel factory then… and adding another layer of fuel generators to the power towers.

[cinder silo]

That blender recipe allowed me to cut the size and complexity of a turbo fuel refinery by about a third compared to the old packaged dilute method.

[river night]

the blender recipe is great for making the production lines simpler, but the blender unlocks pretty late, so there is that

[heavy mountain]

So Is this the best way for turbo fuel the route of

Crude-> HOR-> Diluted Fuel-> Turbo Fuel?

[cinder silo]

Good point, I'm not sure how my next save will go, I swapped to blender after the demolition because of having it unlocked.

[wind spade]

I personally wouldn't do turbofuel. It doesn't add much to power production and if you have diluted fuel already, you're fine until nuclear, so doing turbofuel is just a waste of time and hard drives imo.

[heavy mountain]

I'm on Experimental where Turbofuel is part of the MAM

So it's unlocked along with compacted coal

[wind spade]

all the other turbofuel alts are still HDDs tho

[heavy mountain]

I have them

[wind spade]

🤷‍♂️ then you already wasted the hard drive in my eyes 😛 and even then I wouldn't do turbofuel, it's just more spam of fuel gens and you're gonna do nuclear eventually anyway

[heavy mountain]

Just trying to find the most Crude oil efficient recipe for power I don't plan on Nuclear.

Well, I might, it's just extremely complicated

[wind spade]

I wouldn't say extermly

the vanilla recipes are pretty easy

and you get tons of power out of them 🤷‍♂️

[heavy mountain]

I'm just worried about the uranium fuel alt as it's pending a change due to removal of beacons

[wind spade]

well you can not use it 🤷‍♂️

or use it and then resolve the removal when they actually remove it

[orchid sorrel]

Making a factory of everything for my storage except alum. I made the numbers extremely easy and it's just sooo satisfying

[heavy mountain]

True

[wary tulip]

Yeah, we’ve already got all the HDD unlocked, and all the techs unlocked. I’m just needing a good power boost using oil to jumpstart the big nuclear project in the works.

[lime gulch]

one question regarding nuclear power:

how do you feed 1 fuel rod per minute to 5 power plants without having to wait 5 hours for all of them to start up

[oblique hollow]

split in 5

"How to split in 5?"
split into 6, feed one belt back to input belt

[cinder silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPE-BAlg0xA&t=26s

[lime gulch]

interesting, so it is not advised to use manifolds with nuclear plants in general?

[cinder silo]

I personally prefer not to, especially with nuclear fuel, it is incredibly slow to start and makes for an un-needed radiation hazard area.

[wind spade]

I'd just feed the fuel rods from manufacturers directly to power plants

it's a nice 1:2 ratio (1:3 with the alt)

[cinder silo]

Load balancers do take up a lot of space, in the case of radiation hazards, I build said balancer in the attic space of a building, out of the way.

Everything else I just manifold.

[stable sun]

Holy shit the one thing I’ve been looking for

[wind spade]

if only you could like... google it

[median heath]

Told them that yesterday.

Even told them the exact words to type into google.

[wind spade]

or into !wikisearch xD

[sand epoch]

But why search for something when you can come here and make others do it for you?

[obtuse elm]

Bet it's not going to fix your problem, though

[stable sun]

I have

[vapid gorge]

Greeny IS biased vs TF.
Not going Nuclear doesn't mean you HAVE to go TF but if you like the idea of squeezing as much as you can from oil and don't mind the extra logistics it's pretty good but DOES ad significant logistics for not that much more power than diluted fuel.

[heavy mountain]

thank you

[proven sphinx]

Is it Worth overklokking nuclear plants? I've got 6 uranium rods amd 1.5 plutonium per min

[vocal tundra]

Nah its best to build more, powerplants become weird when you overclock them

[heavy mountain]

especially fuel plants

[cinder silo]

My nukes have a slight overclock to make numbers work, and I didn't plan on rebuilding the plant to accommodate 5 more reactors. less than ideal but 106.5% to get the required 105% took a slight bit of maths to burn that 21 fuel.

[vocal tundra]

Agreed

[stark bronze]

welp that video totally blew on reddit
there are probably as much downvotes as upvotes

[stable sun]

What video?

[sinful rover]

Which video?

[stark bronze]

The one you saw

[glad vigil]

I manifolded 30 reactors. It’s been around 8 hours of playtime and it hasn’t started operating at full power yet

[river night]

it takes longer the slower your items get produced, and fuel rods produce and consume at pretty low rates afterall

most people also prefer doing balanced reactor setups to avoid full lines of radioactive material to reduce the radiation impact a bit

[stark bronze]

Nuclear is really awkward because if you use a centralized balancer you'll need to find a way to route 50+ belts for long distances, on top of the 50+ pipes

[wind spade]

or just build nuclear next to power plant 😛

[ashen furnace]

Idk if this is accurate. But you are all available to correct me if i am wrong.

Sooo liquid freight tank on train can carry 2400 litres oil per tank

Packaged fuel takes 30 litres per barrel and stacks to 100 barrels with 48 slots a train cart. that total of 144k litres of oil.

That means the liquid freight tanker will have to travel 60 times to make up for 1 full freight cart

[radiant sinew]

fluid trains aren't the best

[magic egret]

yeah for trains its better to package

[river night]

1 packaged fuel contains 1 volume unit of fuel, but even then its still a factor of 2 you gain from packaging, just not 60

[wind spade]

it is indeed wrong.

Freight car can transport 1600 m3 (not liters) of fluid.
One item of packaged oil is 1m3 of oil.
Freight car can handle 32 stacks of solid items, packaged oil stacks to 32, so 3200 pakcaged oil or 3200 m3 or twice as much when unpackaged.

HOWEVER you also need a second freight car to move back the canisters (or multiple stations, which reduces throughput), so in the end they are roughly equal

[river night]

it would be swell if one car could go both ways, but alas it doesnt let us 😄

[magic egret]

why not just sink the canisters and make new ones

[wind spade]

that's a waste of resources

[ashen furnace]

Wiki says they stack to 100? 48 slots per cart.

[magic egret]

🤷

[wind spade]

32 slots per car

[river night]

i would probably do that in some situations, i'll often find its a chore to even find a use for the polymer resin

[wind spade]

I mean in ideal case you don't want to move fluids anyway

[ashen furnace]

So if it says 30 oil on wiki it is 1m3?

[river night]

it doesnt say 30 oil

[wind spade]

you may be confusing m3/min with m3

[ashen furnace]

On wiki it does.

[wind spade]

where

[river night]

it says it consumes 30 per minute, but it also produces 30 barrels per minute

one barrel is one m3

[ashen furnace]

It says 30/min

[wind spade]

yeah but also produces 30/min

[river night]

2 crude oil + 2 canister = 2 packaged oil

[wind spade]

each craft turns 2m3 of oil + 2 canisters into 2 barrels of oil

[river night]

or even simpler, 1 oil = 1 packaged oil

[ashen furnace]

😕

[river night]

a factor 30 for packaged transport would be insane and totally destroy any use for any pipelines, you would package it anywhere you possibly could

[magic egret]

theyre tiny barrels

[river night]

who needs 600 pipes if a mk1 belt can carry 1800 already 😄

[wind spade]

so yeah, just check this again, it's pretty much equal if you send back canisters, the train is better if you sink canisters but then you're also losing resources to produce canisters. Ideally just don't transport fluid at all and build your factory near the fluid

[wind spade]

um what

[river night]

its a joke based on the factor 30 idea

[wind spade]

ah

[ashen furnace]

So I'm just dumb 🤣
Lol ok back to the drawing board for me.

[wind spade]

if you haven't built anything yet, then I heavily recommend building factory near the oil field. Or at least part of the factory that converts it to solids like plastic and rubber and then transport those

[river night]

in summary, fluid transports are totally viable if you need to or want to transport fluids. personally, i like the style of fluid trains, but its often a bit of a hassle to do it

but its often easier to build to avoid it

[ashen furnace]

What i wanna do is transport oil to lets say for example. Computers factory to process the plastic for it. Instead of moving the plastic itself.

[wind spade]

in general - while mass transport is possible to do (and not really that hard), that doesn't mean you should always mass-transport everything. Processing resources before you ship them can greatly reduce the amount of vehicles you need. Or reduce the hassle if you convert fluids to solids

[wind spade]

it's obviously up to you, but I recommend moving the plastic instead of oil 😉

[ashen furnace]

Yea I'll have to go back to drawing board on this one.

[river night]

dont let any arguments stop you if you really want to move the oil because you like the style of it or whatever, as long as its fun to you 😄

its just "easier" to not ship fluids, its not impossible to get it working just fine

[ashen furnace]

I wanted to do oil depot that collects oil from all the nodes and then distribute it. But if it gonna take multiple trains. Then yes it won't work

[magic egret]

also the resources are basically infinite anyway

do whats more fun

[ashen furnace]

Yea. I'll just do replanning.

[wind spade]

It depends on what you want to do. If you want the easiest option or if you want to do it your way for the sake of challenge

[unborn ermine]

Tbf if you plan on doing some crazy setup with the fluid that nets more product than what you would send normally vs fluid I would say send fluid.

But its all "ifs" and "buts"

[ashen furnace]

I wanna net all the oil. Gas and water in multiple depos so i can centralise it all under one logistical system.

All I'll ever want is two trains. One to collect all the items from all the factories to central storage space and other train to deliver fuel for all the trucks and oil for factories that needs plastic and rubber

[wind spade]

I'd recommend every train to go only between two stations, makes it easier to track what is happening and change only parts of your network

if you have one train doing everything, that would need to be a super long train

[ashen furnace]

No because it wouldn't matter if i get 2 modular frames for example every min. It just for storage.
Not to produce anything else

[wind spade]

but everything is a lot of things 🙂

[ashen furnace]

All together yea. But hopefully i can reduce it all to handful 😛

[river night]

i have a few collector trains in my latest game, but they only hit like 4 stations and collect like one product at each of them, and their route would take them by them anyway, so it feels fine

i prefer using trains of at least some length so i can use a single station to handle multiple products more easily

without needing to get into a complex sorter setup

[magic egret]

i have a central storage hub and then distribution hubs with train stations for each wider area with factories, roughly around each starting area

[river night]

that would be the alternative, have them collected and re-distributed in separate hubs

not build enough satellite factories yet to bother

[ashen furnace]

I only have 1 machine per item for storage. Each item has it own factory for all machines and raw resources required.

[frosty owl]

Which begs the question: why suggest moving oil over solid products if the goal is having less long-range transport? 🤔

I'm assuming alts are involved

[wind spade]

goal is to have easier transportation. Which means solids > fluids, secondary is transport less > transport more

"most optimal" is to have a factory near nodes that makes the product as complex as possible (more complex stuff is usually in lower quantities)

ideally one that makes final product that is then transported to storage

[timber flare]

I personally prefer transporting oil to a somewhat close location then belting oil products to the other factories

The rest of the factory is getting nuked when i reach MK3 miners. This save is still young

As in everything on the plains

[proven sphinx]

let's say i need 120 water, i have 85 water per min from byproduct, can i just lower the water extractor to 35/min and it will go without problems forever? or will i have some issues?

[ember shale]

As long as that byproduct is produced with 100% reliability/no downtime, then I can't see why not.

And even then you could buffer it.

[magic egret]

just make sure the byproduct gets priority or your factory will stall

[noble agate]

My aluminum setup has been running for a long time reusing the byproduct water. But getting it to work took some trial and error. For my large nuclear plant I’m trying to avoid problems by sending the water out to an external fuel power plant where it will be converted to fuel with diluted fuel recipe and burnt.

[river night]

the safest is to use a priority merger, the layout for that is shown in the plumbing manual

also other suggestions on how to solve it are in there

[proven sphinx]

The tool makes me produce plastic from rubber and oposite, can i just exclude the "steps" and subtract the two making plastic and rubber from eachother ?

[oblique hollow]

i dont get the question

[proven sphinx]

i just want to make the amount of rubber and plastic that i need from crude oil, i don't want to do all the extra steps and "reuse" and use all the resources

[oblique hollow]

then just disable the recycled recipes

problem solved

[wind spade]

you can disable recycled recipes, but you won't be able to make as much rubber/plastic from your oil

[proven sphinx]

crude oil is not a problem, the next problem was that i actually have built 60% of the factory already and started with the crude oil, and when i changed those to recipes everything changed xD so i had to go trough all my recipes to not "fk" up everything i already built

[wind spade]

well that's up to you 🤷‍♂️ I personally recommend using the recycled recipes

[proven sphinx]

i only need more oil and i have more than enough oil here to use :P but thanks for the info
also, next version would be great if it was posible to "save" how i put stuff in the Visualization :D

[unborn ermine]

Thats called "Print Screen + Paint"

[magic egret]

or snipping tool

[wind spade]

it's definitely possible, just not a priority right now. Priority is finishing changes that are in beta version currently, after that I'll probably be making some bigger QOL update

[proven sphinx]

your tool is amazing! i have no complaints .. :) just wanted to share that it would be awesome to be able to save it .. but not any demands! :)

[proven sphinx]

i do this, but i also move them after i finish a step

like this

[wind spade]

well with paint you can e.g. cross them with a line or something 🤷‍♂️ but yeah, definitely plans to do something about it

[unborn ermine]

I forget that people use insanely huge maps, I try to mix it up a bit to maintain some semblance of sanity as I go.

[proven sphinx]

this is just my setup for Nuclear (6 uranium, 1.5 plutonium)
this is our endgoal , and we are not building everything at one place

[unborn ermine]

I havent gotten to that point in a long while, had a break when I was about to start that in update 4 and now im back to play
But like what I mean, is that I would take each of those, setting up a tab for each and use resource limiters on them to match the "main" tree (like you have)

Probably not without its faults

[proven sphinx]

i get what you mean... :P

[glad vigil]

You can disable the recipes in calculator, but use them in-game though

[wind spade]

I guess... though why would that be useful in any way? 😛

[glad vigil]

You use calculator to get the exact numbers of plastic and rubber you need

Then divide it by 3 and get the amount of crude oil you need for that

[wind spade]

sure... but why not have the recipes in the calculator in the first place?

[proven sphinx]

but when (in my situation) the tool says i need to make more than i need because of efficiency, then it would be wrong to se the amounts and divide by 3

[wind spade]

the tool never makes more on it's own

the tool makes exactly as much as you need

[magic egret]

you can set an amount of items you want instead of maximize

[proven sphinx]

what i mean is , to make my "end product" i don't need the amount that the tool said... it just uses up allready made products to not "waste" it ..

[wind spade]

that's not true

[magic egret]

are you talking about the recycling recipes

[proven sphinx]

yes

[wind spade]

the recycling recipes work that way

they convert 6 rubber + 6 fuel into 12 plastic and vice versa

[proven sphinx]

so i make more rubber and plastic than i would need to make my rods ... :P

im not complaining, i just didnt picture it that way

[wind spade]

you can't make less though, as the extra plastic needs to go to the rubber production

otherwise the rubber production won't have enough resources

[proven sphinx]

thats why i removed the recipes and made it another way :)

[magic egret]

the thing is

having that loop of recycling in there lets you get more plastic and rubber out of the oil

[wind spade]

you're using more oil that way 🤷‍♂️ it's your choice of course, but the recycled loop is most resource efficient

[magic egret]

so you need less oil

[proven sphinx]

yes yes i understand :) but i have 450 oil that i can use and i need only 200, that is not used for anything else, and since im a norwegian i like my oil 😏

[wind spade]

well... you don't need it for now 😛

[magic egret]

later you will

[proven sphinx]

nah we good

[wind spade]

never too early to start saving resources 🤷‍♂️ but again, it's your choice

[proven sphinx]

im using a resource well :P

[magic egret]

alright

[proven sphinx]

but thanks for the explanations ! appreciate it ofc ! :)

[topaz hedge]

This is the way if you want lots.

Worth noting this setup consumes power, vs the default way produces power.

[timber flare]

Whenever i want to travel far nowadays i dont use hypertubes anymore

Its all bladerunners+Jetpack+MK5 belt

Slidejump off belt and keep speed with jetpack

[proven prawn]

wait i minute what is happening, why can't the calculator do a motor production line what

[vocal tundra]

Uh oh guess you have to do it the other way

[wind spade]

Can you share the production line?

[magic egret]

probably forgot an input resource

[noble agate]

You can produce even more rubber by turning the polymer resin to rubber

[timber flare]

When you dont want to do the final mission because you find it boring and just want stupid scale.

300 refineries being built for a centralised iron cleaning facility

Taking in all the medium and unpure grass field iron

[echo pollen]

that won't get you from one side of the map to the other side though

[sand epoch]

Sure it does.. you just build tinny Mk5 booster ramps when you land 😛

[echo pollen]

but that will riddle the map with stupid ramps

[timber flare]

Stupid but effective 🙂

[wind spade]

trains are enough for transport 🤔

[timber flare]

Slow

[topaz hedge]

trains are faster than unboosted tubes and like tubes, don't require you to do anything while you travel.

[wind spade]

indeed

[winter obsidian]

@wind spade HUGE ty for SCIM. I make a 5 story factory and then found out it wasnt foundation aligned with the rest of my stuff. 🙄 I was able to offset the entire factory there in a couple of minutes vs the time it would have taken to destroy and recreate same factory. Awesome too.

[wind spade]

... not a problem, just... I didn't make scim 😛

[winter obsidian]

"This tool was made by greeny, with help from Lucek and other contributors."

[wind spade]

that's not SCIM though 😛

[winter obsidian]

Not enough coffee

[wind spade]

that's satisfactory tools

[proven sphinx]

Do you guys build 5 water extractors for each x2 nuclear plants?

[wind spade]

yeah, it's a nice ratio

[proven sphinx]

any designs or stuff i should know about to get the 600 m3 /min ? everyone talking about 600 per min not obtainable

[wind spade]

  P   P
+-+-+-+-+
E E E E E

600m3 is obtainable if built correctly, but this setup doesn't have 600m3 anywhere anyway

[proven sphinx]

thanks

gonna be alot of water extractors for 30 plants x)

[wind spade]

if you don't care about extra power and shards, you can overclock water extractors and have one extractor per power plant

[proven sphinx]

how much more power does 1 extractor use when clocked? the 75 i need will use 1500 mw

[wind spade]

20 MW at 100% or 86.6 MW at 250%. So for the 2 power plants, non-clocked extractors use 100 MW in total and clocked ones use 173.2 MW, so 73.2 MW extra per two plants

but also 6 power shards needed for that (per two plants)

[proven sphinx]

i've got 1.5 plutonium rods aswell that i can make plants for, but think im gonna sink those rods, to afraid of radiation

it's so frustrating that the SCIM doesnt show me what slugs i picked up allready or not

[wind spade]

@fierce ruin for choosing alts, ideally you want to post the image somewhere where people can comment. And also - choose what your save needs, not what other people tell you 🙂 alt recipes aren't good or bad, they are just different, so feel free to check wiki or other sources on what each recipe does and then choose yourself 🙂

[ember shale]

Yup, some will save you resources, some will save you machine count, some will give you new uses for old materials, it's really down to what you want to build, and how.

[fierce ruin]

Ah ok, thanks for the heads up I'm doing a steel factory ATM, so been trying to see what I can unlock. I only have one more HD left, so apologies if I've been spamming. 🙂

[wind spade]

it's just that posting it into #screenshots makes it very hard to give you feedback on the recipes you have

if you're not sure and want hints, that's fine. Post it here or in #old-questions-and-help and people will help you 🙂

[fierce ruin]

Got it, I want solid steel I think. Thanks again!

[wind spade]

but I recommend asking for more than just "pick #2". Ask why would they pick that option and what does the recipe (and the others) do

allows you to make educated decisions yourself and understand more about why you picked the recipe

solid steel is a boost for steel production, at the cost of more power I think

[fierce ruin]

That's helpful cheers, power isn't an issue ATM so that's viable. I want steel to be a fairly big factory with many floors. I've laid out many foundations ready to start the build so was trying to get the HD for Solid Steel, but as I got others I figured ask as I really didn't know what was any good.

[wind spade]

yeah, the problem is that "good" is very subjective, some people like smaller builds, some like more resource efficient ones, some like power efficient ones, some like less complex ones, etc.

which is why I dislike when people just put it in screenshots, as you can't really ask them this or give them info about the recipes (well you can, but you have to ping them in other channel and it's just weird)

[fierce ruin]

Not weird at all, I appreciate the heads up and will give some info next time as to what I'm doing.

[wind spade]

well the thing is that other people don't see the recipe screen, so for them it's just a random message and it's harder to join the conversation

unless they check the screenshot channel as well

[fierce ruin]

No worries, I'm off searching for some more HD shortly so I'll be sure to post them in the right place.

[cinder silo]

I think the same way on that but I've been bitched at for posting in design and architecture when I'm wanting to discuss exactly that ...

[wind spade]

I guess it fits #old-questions-and-help or #math-and-meta more

[cinder silo]

I suppose, I still dislike gatekeepers thinking they have some kind of authority on who gets to post even when it's in the correct (subjective ofc) topic/channel.

[wind spade]

I'm not saying that it's bad to post it in #screenshots, I'm just saying it's hard to engage into discussion when it's posted into #screenshots

[cinder silo]

That is the huge drawback with screenshots is you can't easily get a discussion going.

[wind spade]

iirc #design-and-architecture was created to talk about the... well... design side of thing, so visual stuff, not recipes or math 🤷‍♂️

(got it muted anyway)

[cinder silo]

I get that, I have often aimed to talk about design style, mostly to get ideas to improve my own play but if a discussion can help anyone else, then cool.

[fierce ruin]

Got it, just as I finished the first floor. Well that's Steel sorted.

[vapid gorge]

Oh yeah solid steel is amazing

[frosty owl]

I think there's a good reason to keep convos in the "right" channel as much as possible: ease of searching. For instance, if I was searching for station designs, I could search "train station" in #screenshots or #design-and-architecture, but if I wanted to find convos about how to load and unload trains properly, I could do the same search, but in #math-and-meta

[magic egret]

why not search server wide since people discuss everything everywhere anyway

[frosty owl]

Too many results

You would also get lots of "polluting results" (useless for the search) from #old-questions-and-help... Almost anything is mentioned multiple times every day there

[magic egret]

hmm

well discord isnt great for this kind of thing

or anything really

[cinder silo]

Point is I was talking design and architecture, in the proper channel and got bitched at so I kind of blew off said gatekeeper.

[frosty owl]

Sure, that's why I gave you a different example to explain my point

[cinder silo]

Sorry, overheated & ratty right now.

[frosty owl]

Then let me clarify: I'm not taking sides, just making a point for why some "gatekeeping" can help searching for stuff

[cinder silo]

Have you ever had a pipe simply refuse to carry fluids?

[magic egret]

floor hole?

[cinder silo]

Nope, just a horizontal line, this two in particular, I had to rip them out and rebuild exactly as is because the pipes themselves somehow got bugged.

[frosty owl]

Not the first time I hear of that for sure...

[cinder silo]

Fluid just stopped, and after about an hour messing with pumps, valves thinking I blew it with head lift, I discovered those two pipes, about 150 metres of them just didn't want to carry fluid and the oil extractors went idle.

[frosty owl]

Imo, building stuff fast enough can still lead to some similar issues (eg: stuff being placed in "impossible" positions if you click fast enough when making multiple instances of the same building)

[cinder silo]

I saw on a reddit thread someone had a belt reversed pulling from inputs, that was funny.

[frosty owl]

And that's just one of the ways pipe connections can get borked

[cinder silo]

I do build quite quickly, it's probably just that rearing its head.

[magic egret]

yeah theyre buggy

once i had a pipe that no fluid went through so i deleted it, and when i tried to rebuild it exactly as it was, the position was suddenly illegal

[cinder silo]

Its fixed now, I was just curious if others had encountered the issue.

Found that input reversed reddit post I mentioned https://old.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/vnpivx/apparently_conveyors_can_go_backwards_my_internet/ , copper wire coming OUT of the input haha.

[magic egret]

huh

" the conveyor made my game unstable, crashed it 3 times and once forced me to restart my pc" lol

[cinder silo]

Inputs are meant to take stuff in, not spew it out due to a borked belt 🤣

[thorn elk]

how much sulfur did you need again for a max nuclear build? assuming you use infused uranium cell alt and default non-fissile uranium recipe

[frosty owl]

SatisfactoryTools would know 😅

[radiant sinew]

true

[frosty owl]

Oh wait, it's easy, it's a 1:1 with Uranium

... Plutonium processing though... I can't recall that part exactly

[frosty owl]

Alright, I checked the recipes:
2100 Sulphur for Uranium Cells
756 Sulphur for Sulphuric Acid

[thorn elk]

thank you!!!

[frosty owl]

Lucky I was still idling in the bathroom xD

[fierce ruin]

hey guys if i have 2 pure nodes, each with a mk1 miner on it, and i need 180 iron per minute. what percentage do i need to underclock them at?

if that makes sense

nevermind im an idiot. i coulda just halfed it LMFAO

[mossy mica]

Here the current list of schematic changes from u5 to u6:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KlEeocG1XqDmkOgXKQWwQf0vjx4EP6HpqN6pdizgNTg/edit?usp=sharing

[timber flare]

Funnily enough you could just strangle one on them with a mk1 belt to get the right ratio XD

[still blade]

how much percent of 12 is 31.44?

[deft lichen]

(31.44/12)*100 = 262%

[wise hamlet]

i noticed my mk5 belts aren't hitting their advertised 780/min. I get approx. 750-760. Is there any reason for this - and a fix?

[deft lichen]

nope, it's caused by FPS lag

[still blade]

either that or you dont output 780

[deft lichen]

you can reduce it by only using really short belts between buildings, otherwise assume their real capacity is around 760

[wise hamlet]

aha - and if i am away from my factory, will it then reach the 780 capacity?

[deft lichen]

🤷 wouldn't count on it

[wise hamlet]

well shit

[still blade]

only if you output 780/min

[wise hamlet]

and if i crank my fps - would that get it to raise the capacity?

[timber flare]

Somewhat

Most of the time endgame factories dont count on it

[wise hamlet]

right

damn, i calculated everything to work at exactly 780

[oblique hollow]

do you have multiple belt segments?

aka a long belt made of many parts

[wise hamlet]

yep

[oblique hollow]

thats the issue

[wise hamlet]

do buffers help?

[oblique hollow]

mk 5 belts suffer from segment-to-segment loss of throughput

use splitters inbetween

those help

[wise hamlet]

that sound like something that may be fixed

[oblique hollow]

that issue has been present ever since mk5 belts existed

and no fix so far

[wise hamlet]

that sounds like something that might be fixable?

[oblique hollow]

we dont know

[worldly vector]

sooo I´m about to plan out my Computer production. And i have the caterium alts for booth the circuit boards and the computer, and I´ll use the caterium computer. the thing is, i only have a single normal caterium node near my oil, but i have 2 copper nodes. So would it be better to use caterium computrers and the normal circuit boards with the copper sheets?

this would fix a potential caterium bottleneck right?

[wind spade]

What about fused quickwire?

[worldly vector]

as i have never heard this, i probably dont have that.

oh wait

Hmmmmmmm

[wind spade]

It's pretty much a solution for "not enough caterium but extra copper"

[worldly vector]

you mean this one?

[wind spade]

Yeah

[worldly vector]

so, 2 normal copper nodes and a single normal caterium node

you think this will work out?

[wind spade]

Depends on tons of other things. I'd personally just select all recipes I have and let tools calculate how much I can make and how

[worldly vector]

got an idea:make all caterium wire with the alternate 1 recipe, rest of the copper then into sheets and see how many circuit boards this makes

or something like that, at least

I´m probably also going to make my first train line from the 4 coal nodes in the lake biome to my steel factory, for that extra ton of steel

[magic island]

imo the best way to haul coal is trucks, because you can just borrow a little of the cargo to double as fuel

but i gotta admit trains are the most fun, so do what feels right

[worldly vector]

its a long distance, and the way there is that small stone cliff road, and i want trains

sooo its train time

[still blade]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"view"%3A"REALISTIC"%2C"maxBeltSpeed"%3A"780"%2C"maxPipeSpeed"%3A"600000"%2C"Desc_Motor_C"%3A"5"} how do i load balance things here?

[worldly vector]

Will probably built the main part of the route in a way that it can be used for a main train way later

[wind spade]

Tip: don't load balance, it's not required, manifolds work as well

[still blade]

but, for example, the iron requires one belt to have 45/min, another belt with 45, and a third belt of 27.5

then there's also an ingot line that splits into 15 and 12.5

[mossy mica]

Anyone an idea how to split 600m3 fuel to 5x120?

[timber flare]

In any way you want. coss sections on a pipe are not conveyor splitters

[wind spade]

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[timber flare]

^

For example

[wind spade]

again, using a manifold works 🙂

[still blade]

i dont think i can manifold 40/min into 25/min and 15/min

[wind spade]

it's just a single splitter 🤷‍♂️

going into three things

[cedar mica]

Or the more convoluted way: Split into 4, then 1 into 2. You now have 3x 10 and 2x 5, then merge back into 25 and 15.

[still blade]

i think i made a load balancer for the 40 to 25 & 15

[wind spade]

and yet a single splitter can do the same job

[still blade]

40/2=20

40/3=13.333 repeating

[timber flare]

This is a load balance. A manifold could do the same with just 1 splitter

That is what greeny is saying

When the 15 gets backed up the 25 will get what it needs

[wind spade]

yeah, but if it gets 20 and only needs 15, it'll fill up and overflow the extra 5 to the other side

[zinc remnant]

when i started i HATED running overflow systems like this, but now im addicted

it saves so much space

[worldly vector]

1120 Quickwire per minute right here.

this also means that this theoretically is enough for quite some computers

i hope.

oh god how am i supposed to do the math without just guessing things

okay so. To make 3,75 computers a minute it takes a total 217,5 quickwire per minute. 105 for the computer, 37,5 for 3 circuit board assemblers each.

i can make this setup of 3 assemblers and a manufacturer 5 times.

which means 18,75 Computers a minute.

I expected juuuust a bit more bit I´m 101% fine with this

could´ve also been way less

imma start getting the setup done

now i need a system to put all these assemblers into 5 lines

send help

[timber flare]

Ez

Now have fun wraping your head around this

[worldly vector]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-unga-bunga-loading-uga-gif-23786525

the what

[timber flare]

300 refineries lined up being slightly overfed by 18 lines of 600 iron ore being turned to 30 lines of 650 iron ingots

Scale is fun

[worldly vector]

what the absolute-

jesus thats a lot

[timber flare]

As you can see each floor has 50 refineries and each belt coming out is grabbing 10 of those