hmf
#math-and-meta
dense warren
wind spade
that would be heavy encased frame
frosty owl
Fyi, encased frames are horrible for clock-matching, unless one goes for big numbers (16/min +?)
wind spade
but you can save a lot of resources for other items as well
(for ingredients needed for HMF)
frosty owl
Standard has the easiest numbers to match, flexible is second best imo.
Encased is doable as long as you scale it up enough
dense warren
Fyi, encased frames are horrible for clock-matching, unless one goes for big num...
in my factory i was producing 24/min
with 9 manufacturers
frosty owl
The more flexible you can be with numbers, the easier time you'll have matching the inputs 😆
Still, an overflow here and there can take away many headaches too~ 😉
pulsar idol
Making the nuclear fuel rods seems to be not that hard, it's just the production on how many power plants it needs
timber flare
Fuel rods are the easier part. The rest is more annoying.
Also scaling the fuel rods to stupid quantities gets complex
And if nothing else time consuming
cedar mica
Making the nuclear fuel rods seems to be not that hard, it's just the production...
Each power plant is 0.2 rods a minute, so its easy to work out
pulsar idol
Hm
timber flare
Just make 84*2 manufacturers
84 for cells and 84 for rods
And that is all the uranium
252 plants
56 blenders for enriched
28 accelerators
84 assemblers to encase
and finaly 54 manufacturers to make plutonium rods for sinking
And have fun getting the mats for all those machines 🙂
pulsar idol
;-;
timber flare
I believe those numbers are accurate i just took my setup from memory and scaled up by 7
My current project is ^than *(6/7)
Cause last 1/7th is already done in my first plant
jolly furnace
is there a base (minimum) power draw for underclocked factories ? or can you make lot and lots of slow ones to get better power efficiency ?
vapid gorge
is there a base (minimum) power draw for underclocked factories ? or can you mak...
You could try setting them to 0.1% production rate?
jolly furnace
well I forgot to do that , just closed satisfactory and going to sleep soon
vapid gorge
well I forgot to do that , just closed satisfactory and going to sleep soon
I think you reach impracticallity of production speed before you hit a hard limit on power effeciency.
Creating 1,000 smelters instead of 1 is a bit much
jolly furnace
yes , the investment in factory parts would become very significant too
vapid gorge
In terms of practicallity even setting everything to 10% is ROUGH
jolly furnace
mostly it'd be too taxing to the pc I suppose
vapid gorge
mostly it'd be too taxing to the pc I suppose
for largish set ups yeah. I've got a few spots with a thousand machines but they're all overclocked
jolly furnace
but this means that , given a superior enough gaming pc , there are ways to outperform other factories for a given access to power resources
vapid gorge
but this means that , given a superior enough gaming pc , there are ways to outp...
ehhhh there's a hard limit to objects the game can actually handle.
Also the best rigs get stuttery with lots of things
Besides more people don't bother because power isn't a bottle neck in the game. You can make 600GW just with nuclear
jolly furnace
I imagine a specific youtuber would be overjoyed to find out about that mechanic
oh right
isn't waste disposal an issue however ?
vapid gorge
LGIO makes local spag - You need world wide nonsense to hit the object counts
vapid gorge
isn't waste disposal an issue however ?
It requires a bunch of different parts to sink it - and to set up it takes some propper sorting out - but it's not expensive
jolly furnace
oh ok
I thought it was still in the "tomorrow's problem" stage
with no final way to automate it
vapid gorge
almost a year ago now?
vapid gorge
Before U5
jolly furnace
oh.
vapid gorge
Can't remember if it was U4 or in between
jolly furnace
my knowledge of satisfactory is patchy , mostly deliberately to avoid spoilers
cloud swan
how high of a wall should there be for a train to go under it?
like
Foundation
Train[How big should this gap be?]
Foundation
vapid gorge
how high of a wall should there be for a train to go under it?
like
Foundation
...
8m is safe.
Just.
the model says 6m tall for the train loco but I think it sits a bit higher on the track?
cloud swan
crap, it does it just barely fits
vapid gorge
crap, it does it just barely fits
It's the space I hav efor my stacked rail line
frosty owl
And have fun getting the mats for all those machines 🙂
I remember doing that by head...
Fun times 
frosty owl
but this means that , given a superior enough gaming pc , there are ways to outp...
Tbh, I doubt the savings on resources for fuel production can bring all that much benefit 
Eg: for a base planned for max sink points, saving on 50% nuclear fuel resources might yeald an increase in points of <10% imo
warm wren
As above I built aluminium processing with a feedback to use the water byproducts But I kept having problems with not enough water getting back around to the solution production... I think its sorted now but it just seems like any little hiccup starts a cascade...
vapid gorge
As above I built aluminium processing with a feedback to use the water byproduct...
yeah that happens a lot with fluids. Good to fill up the buffers before getting it going
oblique hollow
As above I built aluminium processing with a feedback to use the water byproduct...
if you feed it one to one, it takes a long time for it to get started
since
- alumina solution refineries need water
- part of that comes from scrap refineries, which need alumina
- No alumima no water, no water no alumina. its a vicious cycle
warm wren
Yeah I know 🤔
oblique hollow
fill a buffer up with water and then connect that to your system
that should get it started
make sure the buffer is not on the main pipe though. it should be on a sideline
thorn bane
Tbh, I doubt the savings on resources for fuel production can bring all that muc...
going form 252 nuclear plants with waste management (630,000 MW) to 0 gives 9.63% more sink points
vapid gorge
?
name of the channel? Meta is often used to describe overall strategy or concepts within a thing
vapid gorge
meta as in metagame, or game meta
sips tea I love the block function
frosty owl
going form 252 nuclear plants with waste management (630,000 MW) to 0 gives 9.63...
Meh :/
(How did you get the data, plan on tools?
What's the most iron-efficient way to make Heavy Modular Frames?
This and plenty of other questions are answered everyday!
Especially curious ones can even read the previous messages to get an idea of the kind of conversation that happen here daily 😉
vapid gorge
What's the most iron-efficient way to make Heavy Modular Frames?
This and plenty...
The guy has a few other comments on other channels is is obvs trying to get a rise out of people. It's not an honest question
frosty owl
It's not an off topic nor irrelevant question either 🤷♂️
vapid gorge
my tolerance for people being butts is pretty low atm though
thorn bane
Meh :/
(How did you get the data, plan on tools?
https://www.satisfactory-planner.net/?f=v3_U5,7ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff,points:maximize:20,,70380:100:0|28860:243:0|52860:133:0|30900:227:0|11040:637:0|10500:670:0|6840:1028:0|11700:601:0|9780:719:0|2100:3351:0|12000:586:0|0:1:1,0,10000:0:0:0
vs
https://www.satisfactory-planner.net/?f=v3_U5,7fffffffbffdff7ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff,points:maximize:20|plutonium_fuel_rod:per_minute:12.6,,70380:100:0|28860:243:0|52860:133:0|30900:227:0|11040:637:0|10500:670:0|6840:1028:0|11700:601:0|9780:719:0|2100:3351:0|12000:586:0|0:1:1,0,10000:0:0:0
(306.51*543632+33.37*732956)/(273.463*543632+34.972*732956)=1.0963
wind spade
which recipes to pick, what resources to use, when it's better to balance and when just manifold, etc etc.
frosty owl
https://www.satisfactory-planner.net/?f=v3_U5,7fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff...
Funfact: optimizing for using fertile uranium an allowing to burn plutonium for power increases points by ~3% 
(this is a more "realistic" comparison)
Could find a link to the Reddit post if interested
thorn bane
well ye burning plutonium is pretty good xD
frosty owl
Eh, not so much imo 😅
Honestly, I'm quite disappointed by the (imo) small increase in sink points.
With fertile you're already saving on tons of resources and yet it just gives a measly ~3%
This loops back to my statement: Fertile recipe doesn't offer enough advantages yet
hazy heron
I have 720 aluminum ingots / min and i dont know how to distrubute it among casings and alclad sheets and ingots
how would u guys distrubute it?
timber flare
Just ship ingots
Whatever needs casing you can place constructor close to make them
And not many things need alclad
so same there make on spot
oblique hollow
make a random amount since you have no idea how much you need for other products
hazy heron
made 360 casings/min and the rest became alclad
cloud swan
Station A makes Plastic and circuit boards
Station B Makes Nails and cable
is it more efficient to transport cable and nails to station B, or Plastic and circuit boards to Station A to produce computers?
wind spade
or both to station C where computers are made 🤔
versed violet
A computer algorithm would answer:
If you build a train station that is equal or longer than distance between A and B, the resources will be simultaneously at start and the end, thus transport is no longer necessary
long bridge
question! what is the item per minute if you transfer items with a train, do you assume that the item/min is the same?
wind spade
if you use buffers on each platform and limit it to one belt per platform, then yeah
vapid gorge
question! what is the item per minute if you transfer items with a train, do you...
There is a formula on the wiki where you can calculate the maximum item per minute based on stack and travel time which COULD let you feed in more than 1 belt.
But yeah generally save to assume 1 belt 1 car. If it's a LONG trip 1 mk5 split to two cars.
onyx sphinx
Can anyone assist me in how im going to split this 533.34 compacted coal into 35.56 refineries, my brain is melted https://i.imgur.com/n7Tp9jO.png
vapid gorge
Can anyone assist me in how im going to split this 533.34 compacted coal into 35...
what is your max belt speed?
onyx sphinx
Mk4
onyx sphinx
Thats how i was thinking of it, having 1 line of 480 and the other of the remaining 70 something
vapid gorge
2 sets of 18 refineries , each clocked to take 533.34/2 cCoal pm
onyx sphinx
Or i could do that yea
vapid gorge
Symitry is often easier to design around and expand but it depends on your layout and what future things you want to do
onyx sphinx
So 2 sets of 10 assemblers and 1 extra per( set to 66.5%) feeding into 2 sets of 17 turbo fuel with 1 extra per ( set to 78%)
If im correct
vapid gorge
So 2 sets of 10 assemblers and 1 extra per( set to 66.5%) feeding into 2 sets of...
if you don't want to overclock at al lthe 35.~ refineries will have to be rounded up to 36 and then have 18 refineries in each set pretty sure
And you could just divide the underclocking to each assembler and refinery just for symitry.
onyx sphinx
Yea im planning on having 2 sets of 17 at 100% and then 2 extras at the end underclocked to 78% to make up the 1.56 id be missing, that works yea?
its still feeding in the 276.67 per set which makes for 17.78 refineries, times that by 2 to give me the 35.56 which i need
or have i fk'd up my math
vapid gorge
or have i fk'd up my math
Use Satisfactorytools.com just in case XD or a spreadsheet.
gentle berry
Can anyone assist me in how im going to split this 533.34 compacted coal into 35...
Split into 36 refineries?
Also how do you have a decimal number of coal
onyx sphinx
Also how do you have a decimal number of coal
Yes 36 refineries and im not sure what you mean by how do i, thats just whats needed for the compacted coal
gentle berry
I mean how did you end up with a decimal number of ccpm
Or you mean splitting it into the refineries
Do 14 in all refineries and 15 in one
onyx sphinx
As in have all refineries underlocked to 14p/m and 1 at 15p/m?
gentle berry
I guess. That’s what my calculations gave me
onyx sphinx
Im confused, did you do 35 refineries at 14p/m and a 36th at 15?
I mean that kinda works, id need 37 refineries mainly and then a 38th (i think)
vapid gorge
Im confused, did you do 35 refineries at 14p/m and a 36th at 15?
the main thing is that you need to split it into 2 distinct groups. Theres essentially infinite combinations and clockings you can accomplish that with.
I just default to even split becaues symatry and easier to remember and deal with unless you have a specific out put you need from the split refineries later
onyx sphinx
Makes sense yea, symmetrical is much easier
Ill figure it out tomorrow after some sleep
vapid gorge
Like the split ratio is not mechanically important unless you have specific demands after 🙂 night!
gentle berry
So for my screw production I have 60 rods per minute coming in, and screws are 40 per minute. Should I be doing 2 constructers each doing 30 screws per minute or 1 contructor?
stuck anchor
you should have 4 constructors since iron rod : screw is 1:4
vapid gorge
6 constructors they take 10 rods pm
gentle berry
It's 15 rods per minute
gentle berry
Yeah
vapid gorge
so you'll have ot have 6 constructors each taking 10 rods pm
gentle berry
Wait. Do mats in and mats out for constructors have different values?
vapid gorge
Wait. Do mats in and mats out for constructors have different values?
A recipe will make X number of Item pm.
Another recipe that uses Item is not guaranteed to use X number per minute.
In fact it rarely does unless you change clock speeds
So if you want you can overclock your screw machines and have 1 rod constructor feed 1 screw constructor (at 150%) and make 60 screws pm
OR you can UNDER clock your rod machine to make 10 rods pm and just feed 1 machine to the next
gentle berry
So if you want you can overclock your screw machines and have 1 rod constructor ...
Wouldn't it still be 40 screws pm?
vapid gorge
Wouldn't it still be 40 screws pm?
You're increasing your Screw machine to take 15 rods per minute right? That's 150% more parts it's using and 150% more parts it produces
40x 1.5 = 60
gentle berry
My brain hurts
vapid gorge
XD learn to use a spread sheet 🙂 it'll help and keep track of what you're doing
and to help, go in game and increase the speed of the machine to 150% it'll tell you it's out put
gloomy palm
what ever happened with the project that was bruteforcing all the possible recipes, did that ever get finished
maybe it was greenie i can't remember now
oblique hollow
bruteforcing recipes?
snow dove
bruteforcing recipes?
probably just using a rough set up to make the items
probably including manual input
wind spade
it didn't because we didn't get to a stage where the calculations won't take millennia to finish
and in the end it was scraped due to that (although it might have been possible to reduce the time needed to a reasonable amount, e.g. a few days)
gloomy palm
and in the end it was scraped due to that (although it might have been possible ...
ohhh im sorry to hear that, it seemed like a cool idea
brittle plank
Bruteforcing recipes 🤔
So the idea being that a calculator would go through all recipe combinations to make turbo motors for example?
wind spade
the premise was to analyse production of every single item with every possible recipe path and from gathered data figure out kinda objective statistics about alt recipes which could maybe help with rating them
brittle plank
Ooh
wind spade
however I'm not in the mood to wait 10^12 years for the results, and there was no big breakthrough in reducing that to reasonable amount
brittle plank
Could multithread it 🤔 would it really take that long
wind spade
yeah
even doing like 1000 calculations per second, there's like 150 ish recipes in satisfactory. So that's (worst case) 2^150 combinations per item
which is 10^34 years
multithreading it wouldn't save a reasonable amount of time
not to mention the terrabytes of storage needed for results
oblique hollow
reason why rather than objective, ive implemented a subjective recipe analysis segment on some wiki pages
wintry aurora
You don’t have a university rated supercomputer or computer network is the problem.
Heh.
oblique hollow
and i try to keep alt recipe cross-linking to a minimum
brittle plank
You don’t have a university rated supercomputer or computer network is the probl...
Or do I, you'll never know
wind spade
the problem is that "how good is this recipe" is just a bad question in general
oblique hollow
"what does this recipe do differently" is a better one
wintry aurora
But yea, with 80 something recipes, the combinations are enormous.
wind spade
it's like asking "how good is this car"
wintry aurora
it's like asking "how good is this car"
Car salesperson says ‘AWESOME!’
wind spade
without knowing how big trunk space you need, how powerful engine, if you want electric or gas powered, if you want space for 7 people or if you're fine with 2 seats only, etc etc.
oblique hollow
how good is this recipe
juice: "So good I'll Instant Crap my pants!"
wintry aurora
without knowing how big trunk space you need, how powerful engine, if you want e...
Exactly, it’s not something you can easily reduce to just numbers. Plus adding that creases the list exponentially.
brittle plank
Is there a spreadsheet somewhere with the list of all recipes?
brittle plank
Where is this 🔍👀
wind spade
brittle plank
Thanks!
Oooh I see you've already got a calculator to find the most optimal production line for a group of resources
wind spade
indeed
cursive widget
Man I was running my coal generators on overtime and totally ignoring how easy it is to set up fuel generators
signal nimbus
It is "easy" to set up fuel power. It is complicated and power-intensive to do so to maximum efficiency.
hazy saffron
the problem is that "how good is this recipe" is just a bad question in general
but that answer is garbage, just ask all the people I've told that any given alt recipe is very situational in its effectiveness
wind spade
but that answer is garbage, just ask all the people I've told that any given alt...
which answer? 🤔
hazy saffron
that 'how good is this recipe" is a generally bad question
less answer and more response I guess
wind spade
I mean if someone asks about a recipe (or what to pick out of three), I never say "that's a bad question". But they also won't get the response they probably want (e.g. "pick this one" or "this recipe is best"), but rather they'll get info about what the recipe(s) do, how can they be used and to what effect.
versed violet
Unless its biocoal/charcoal, then they get a definitive 'pick the other one'
fierce ruin
Heya, can someone point me to a guide on how to maximise aluminum production or give me tl;dr?
frank mesa
Currently railing Oil From the Gold Coast to the Dune Desert in tanker cars. Having a little doubt whether transporting it packaged might be better?
fierce ruin
Hm... gotta calculate that
ashen mantle
Currently railing Oil From the Gold Coast to the Dune Desert in tanker cars. Hav...
Transporting it packaged is more efficient assuming you're not running anything else on the same train, since you can ship back the empty containers at the cost of two extra station stops, which, considering the length of the route, is pretty negligible time.
jolly furnace
"biocoal" is basically extending the supply problem from biofuel burners , isn't it
frank mesa
Yep
frank mesa
Transporting it packaged is more efficient assuming you're not running anything ...
on the other hand, there's only 1800 oil/min to transport from the 2 pure and 2 normal nodes (clocked @ 250%). And I would require 4 stations (with 3 platforms each, as I decided to use 1 engine and 3 cars on the network), The 2 extra stations alone use an extra 400MW power, and of course pack/unpack machines on both ends, 60 packagers and 30 unpackagers on each end (at 100% clock) consuming another 900MW....
oblique hollow
solution: process oil on-site
why bother with the transport
the end product is usually less anyway
... unless of course you do the funny loop-de-loop setup for fuel to rubber and plastic
hazy heron
I have problem. I have aluminium factory that needs 600m2 water/min and i am producing just that BUT it gets overfilled. Why?
wintry aurora
What does your pipe network look like? Do you have it looped?
frank mesa
... unless of course you do the funny loop-de-loop setup for fuel to rubber and ...
I plan to do the funny Loop-the-Loop setup for plastic and rubber
And Cokes for steel and Aluminium
also using polymer resin byproduct for plastic, rubber and fabric
hazy heron
What does your pipe network look like? Do you have it looped?
i have it connected to 3 refiners producing 120 water. (360 tot). then 2 water extractors making 240 tot. and thats 600 total. but still it gets clogged
wintry aurora
Yea, I was gonna say put a valve, or use a VIP valve (see guide in wiki).
velvet jasper
Anyone willing to share the spreadsheet they use for keeping track of production?
vapid gorge
Anyone willing to share the spreadsheet they use for keeping track of production...
In relation to what greeny asked- do you mean a sheet used to calculate production or a sheet to keep records and layout plans?
sudden mulch
all this for a mere 240+240 plastic and rubber per minute?
i feel like the recycled rubber and recycled plastic is just a pyramid scheme
velvet jasper
In relation to what greeny asked- do you mean a sheet used to calculate producti...
Records and layout plans
vapid gorge
Ahh for that I'd recomend you make your own style. Doing layout and records on spread sheet probably works best when you use your own short hand to work with a layout as you like it. for example this is a small section of one of my spreadsheets https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550566991724545/958154751294439424/unknown.png
wind spade
x4 ASS x2
vapid gorge
to me this includes location of source items, number of machines,clock speed, items per min on belt, destination ect
It's record and belt management with estimating space needed and an idea of the lay out of the seperate factories needed to work together in order to have items feed to the next parts right next door whenever possible
vapid gorge
Records and layout plans
Similarly a section of a bauxite station with more complex parts being produced and shifted. These are basically just my translations and records to implement the numbers and processes after using an online tool for how I particularly want to lay things out. The language works for me same with my short hand and with the way I want to lay things out. You'll probably hav ea different way you'd prefer lay out and might develop a better method for you
oblique hollow
Similarly a section of a bauxite station with more complex parts being produced ...
oh hey, thats open office, isnt it?
i know that layout. definitely not excel
pure lily
can someone help me with coal and water power machine? i am new to game
oblique hollow
just write your questions down here or attach screenshots if needed
thin cliff
wind spade
btw you don't really need the splitter/merger things
manifolds exist 🙂
but anyway, would be nice to have recipes on the buildings
even more important than the building name
thin cliff
manifolds exist 🙂
What are those?
wind spade
also purity of the iron nodes should be mentioned
thin cliff
I only have up to Tier 4
wind spade
What are those?
splitting one input to X outputs
--S--S--S--S--S
| | | | |
X X X X X
relies on first machine getting full and items overflowing to the next one, etc etc
thin cliff
Updated to show purity of Iron nodes
vapid gorge
oh hey, thats open office, isnt it?
It is! Microsoft annoys me
vapid gorge
all this for a mere 240+240 plastic and rubber per minute?
its literally a pyramid scheme in this case
quaint quiver
Hello guys.. So I already played satisfactory but now i’m coming back, any tips for build my stuffs correctly?
like, on math
velvet jasper
I’m stealing this
quaint quiver
all this for a mere 240+240 plastic and rubber per minute?
what is the name of the mod that u are using for the foundations?
frosty owl
That's vanilla content
frosty owl
Hello guys.. So I already played satisfactory but now i’m coming back, any tips ...
... Remember to check the numbers for input/outputs?
That's kind of a generic question 😅
thin cliff
Hello guys.. So I already played satisfactory but now i’m coming back, any tips ...
You could take from my org chart i posted earlier today
quaint quiver
That's vanilla content
are u sure?
keen helm
splitting one input to X outputs
```
--S--S--S--S--S
| | | | |
X X X ...
Still confused on this
random quiver
Still confused on this
overload system. each S is splitter, X is machine from what i can tell
keen helm
Oh ok
amber jacinth
This is what a manifold setup looks like in practice. Super easy to scale up/add more machines, and very compact.
magic island
the higher the rate of items relative to stack size, the more quickly a manifold balances itself out
but you wouldn't want to use one for something slow/low-volume (the absolute nightmarish never-do-this example being fuel rods)
amber jacinth
It’s great for base ores and their derivatives. More advanced production manifolds are only good once you start producing more in the first place to balance out the machines better.
vapid gorge
It’s scary
9000 plastic/rubber
vapid gorge
are u sure?
Yeah, update 5 got new foundation materials at the awesome shop
sudden mulch
are u sure?
Yeah thats Concrete foundations from the base game, they can be bought in the Awesome Shop with coupons. I dont plan to do mods till after 1.0
frosty owl
are u sure?
Yes ☝️
lament bluff
I'm not sure my math is right here:
Given 100 Heavy Oil Residue/m, if I convert that into 300 Petroleum Coke/m and put all of that into a coal power plant, I get 900MW of power
if I convert the same 100 HOR to Fuel and pipe that into fuel generators, I get 66.67 fuel/m, which could feed about 5.55 fuel generators, producing 833.35 MW.
So by this math, fuel power generation is slightly less efficient than petroleum coke? I imagine factoring in water pumps and the refineries makes fuel come out slightly ahead in reality (plus simpler logistics), but I mainly wanted to check that my math is correct on this
wind spade
I'm not sure my math is right here:
Given 100 Heavy Oil Residue/m, if I convert ...
if you use diluted fuel recipe you get way better results for oil
lament bluff
(yeah, my water pumps for 300 coke/m to power use 16.9*5 = 84.5MW, so the net power before looking at refineries is 815.5MW, so fuel slightly wins there)
oblique hollow
i remember doing the math, they are about equal when you consider the cost for water extractors
wind spade
diluted fuel is 100 HOR -> 200 fuel
so 3x as efficient as residual fuel
(ignoring power costs of blenders and water extractors, but they won't have as big impact)
lament bluff
Hmm if I underclock a fuel generator to 55% so I can have 5.55 generators going, the ui says it'll produce 94.7 MW, instead of the 82.5MW I'd expect (0.55*150=82.5), so underclocking to 55% produces 63.1% production. Does that mean it will consume fuel at 55% or 63.1%? I imagine the latter as the former would mean free power. (I don't have generators and stuff set up yet to test it)
wind spade
underclocking isn't linear
frosty owl
The ratio between fuel consumed and power produced is always the same
wind spade
it follows a formula of (clock speed/100)^(1/1.3)
lament bluff
Ah, so to use fuel at 55% rate, I need to underclock by <some lower number i'll calculate later>?
wind spade
so 200% clock speed -> (200/100)^(1/1.3) = ~1.7, so roughly 1.7 times as fast
(that's for generators only)
to calculate 55% rate, you reverse the formula: 0.55^1.3 = ~0.4597 or 45.97% clock speed
lament bluff
yup, i got the same number, thanks
hazy path
Does anyone know how often a doggo's inventory resets (either an average, or min/max times for the random interval?)
wind spade
no turbofuel best turbofuel
river chasm
I have 24 (full) mk4 belts of bauxite and they need to go into 33 refineries using the default alumina solution recipe at 250%
that or 81 refineries at 100%
vapid gorge
Turbofuel or turbo heavy fuel?
Blended Turbo Fuel best turbo fuel.
Down side is you have to wait for blenders
snow dove
no turbofuel best turbofuel
fully agree
ashen mantle
Normal fuel is better than turbofuel, change my mind
Getting all the resources to the manufacturing site is more expensive than you get from turbofuel
velvet jasper
What are good numbers to shoot for when building factories that produce building materials?
lament bluff
What are good numbers to shoot for when building factories that produce building...
I go for ~5-10 of the tier 2+ products (reinforced plates, modular frames etc) per minute, can usually do that with a couple nodes. But I'm a very slow player so others might go for more
lime salmon
how can i divide the .5 part of 2.5 out so im only left with 2. I've been trying to get this for half an hour now but i cant figure it out when i can only divide by 2 or 3
magic island
as in, take a conveyer and split it into 1/5th and 4/5ths?
split it into 6, then merge one of the 6 branches back into the source conveyor. each branch will end up with exactly 1/5
lime salmon
Sorry could you explain that in a tad bit more detail? Not sure I quite understand it right.
magic island
or actually, you don't technically need to fully split into six, just split part of it into sixTHs. like so:
you can extend this to other awkward numbers too; just split into the next highest cleanly-divisible number, and merge the extra back in.
so to divide by 5, you can just divide by 6 and then merge the remainder back in. or divide by 7 via 9, and so forth.
lime salmon
Alright, took me a second to figure out, but now i think i understand. Thanks alot!
pure lily
does someone know how to make perfect setup for engine factory?
i need to make everything from the start
step 1
step 2
step 3
and step 4
wintry aurora
Have you used Satisfactorytools?
wintry aurora
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/ It's a planner.
wintry aurora
You select stuff you want to make and the amounts and you can select recipies on the other tab.
balmy bolt
whats the iron plate per metre of belt
wintry aurora
Per minute, not meter.
magic island
does someone know how to make perfect setup for engine factory?
"perfect" is kinda subjective, especially with the alt recipes for motors (and the parts they're made from). motor factories especially can be really simple and tidy, or absurdly complex (but highly efficient)
if we're talking early game and nothing but default recipes, there's not much more to tell than what the planner is giving you.
BUT, I will say that for default-recipe motors, the clock speeds on your machines will work out real nicely if you aim for a multiple of 1.5 (so ie, 9 motors/min will be tidier than 10/min, for finicky ratio reasons in some of the steps)
pure lily
"perfect" is kinda subjective, especially with the alt recipes for motors (and t...
ty for help
vapid gorge
What are good numbers to shoot for when building factories that produce building...
2 normal or 1 pure node dedicated to each basic part then belt those where you need them. If youre talking about factories to tier up not end game stuff
vapid gorge
does someone know how to make perfect setup for engine factory?
As others have said - there's no real perfect.
And I'd wait until you get some better recipes maybe?
And by 'wait' I mean wait to make a 'perfect' factory. There are more interesting ways to make them
pure lily
yeah i just need them to make other machines nothing more i just unlocked oil so i need a lot of that XD
wind spade
generally:
start with some small number
expand if you find out you need more
there's no right answer
pure lily
i dont need to make #/m just to make anything
vapid gorge
i dont need to make #/m just to make anything
Yeah why my suggetion of 'just make a bunch of basic parts and belt them to where you need them'
pure lily
Yeah why my suggetion of 'just make a bunch of basic parts and belt them to wher...
thats what i am gonna do but it was worth to ask
zenith willow
On that satis calculator you have this
Do I have to see it like, left is what it's producing and right is what it being used?
oblique hollow
left: whats being made
right: whats needed
the darker spots is what you could have if some machines that are on stanbdby or whatever were running
zenith willow
Thanks @oblique hollow
warm wren
You can't have drones do alternate pick ups can you? 🤔 Like one trip it picks up product A and then the next trip product B... and just alternates like that?
Port 1 fills with A, empies at Port 2, then drone goes to port 3 and fills with B, empies at port 4 🤔
Then back to port 1
oblique hollow
you can have many ports target one, but not have one target many
its only back-and-forth trips
solar kite
How do you split into 45/m?
magic island
depends on what you're splitting from
but starting with a full Mk 1 belt, you'd split into 30/30, then 30/15/15, then merge to 45/15
knotty geyser
wait, I need some help before I fuck it up. I have a 600 uranium per minute and produce Uranium Rods in 15 Manufactures, meaning I can power 30 Reactors. If I do the math correct I get 30*50 which equals 15*100. To get non fissile uranium you need 37.5 uranium waste, tho you need 100 non fissile, means that you need 75 Uranium Waste/min. Plus the production to the Pallets you need 25 more, meaning you need 100 Uranium Waste/min to produce 30 Plutonium Pallets. which can produce 15 Encased Plutonium Cells. Which then can be used to produce 0.5 Plutonium Fuel Rod through 2 Mactators, meaning it can power 5 Reactors. So it means per 100 Uranium Waste I get 5 Reactors in Plutonium Power? So it would be 5*15 since I have 1500 Uranium Waste/min.
just wanna make sure I dont build 75 Reactors cause they are a pain to build in a large scale lol
solar kite
depends on what you're splitting from
but starting with a full Mk 1 belt, you'd...
Does it matter if i merge here? or behind the first splitter
magic island
that's where you should merge, yeah
if you merged behind the first splitter, that just becomes a very wacky way of splitting 40/20
hazy heron
my aluminim water line keeps on getting over flowed even tho it gets 600m2 water/min and produces the same??
knotty geyser
my aluminim water line keeps on getting over flowed even tho it gets 600m2 water...
put in a valve from the side of water extractors, lets the other water that gets recycled more time to flow
warm wren
you can have many ports target one, but not have one target many
Yeah I know 🤔 What I want it to do is go from A to B, then B to C, then C to D, then D to A...
oblique hollow
nope, wont work out
unlesss.....
yeah, you could possibly chain em like that.
just need to give each port one drone
and then make one port target the next
cant have one drone do all the jumps though
warm wren
Hrm
wintry aurora
I could see it being chained, yea.
warm wren
Feels like that defeats the purpose tho, just build one A to B, and build another C to D and let em go back and forth 🤔 Oh well, was worth a thought.
magic island
my aluminim water line keeps on getting over flowed even tho it gets 600m2 water...
my recommendation is not to loop the recycled water back into the source feed at all. instead, have some Alumina refineries running entirely off extracted water, and then a few more running entirely off the recycled water
that way, full pipes will never deadlock anything
warm wren
Or just run off of extractors and use the byproduct to make wet concrete which can be shredded
velvet jasper
whats a good number to go for on elevator parts?
hazy heron
my recommendation is not to loop the recycled water back into the source feed at...
problem is i am using the alternitive recipe which uses 200m2/min instead of 120m2/min (water) This makes looping a have too
magic island
nope, you never have to loop. just gotta fiddle with clock speeds to make it work
warm wren
You can use the byproduct water to cycle back in, and it will work, but just be aware that everything has to run 100%, perfectly, all the time. Any tiny hiccup and its a cascade, this means you always have to be producing and using all of the aluminum you make, even if you end up overflowing it to a shredder... hence why I avoid the problem by using extractors and using the byproduct water to make concrete.
hazy heron
You can use the byproduct water to cycle back in, and it will work, but just be ...
the thing is, it is perfect but still fuckes up
warm wren
I've had this problem. You're using 1 water extractor right? Valve that and put it at 180 to make sure nothing can back flow into that pipe, also put a water tank between the byproduct water and the solution maker and a valve set to 420 between the tank and the solution maker to prevent any water going back into the tank or the extractor filling up those pipes... I had one running flawelessly after I keep tinkering and tinkering with it but as I say, even a tiny fraction of a second of anything in the whole process getting backed up, leads to a cascading failure.
That's why I use the KISS solution of wet concrete for byproduct water.
wintry aurora
What about a VIP valve?
magic island
i feel like using the byproduct for more alumina is simpler because it's right there
warm wren
i feel like using the byproduct for more alumina is simpler because it's right t...
I would 100% agree if we had some kind of overflow option for fluids. Like I say, I made it work, but fiddling with it endlessly, counting out exactly how much scrap I was using and making sure every bit of it was being coverted into ingots quickly enough and that those ingots were always being used at a 100% rate... Or I just make wet concrete, and I don't care if things get backed up anywhere, I've always got enough water for solution, I never get backed up at scrap production 🤷♂️
hazy heron
I've had this problem. You're using 1 water extractor right? Valve that and put ...
I use 2 extractors producing 240 m/2. and have a industial tank as a buffer,
warm wren
Oh, hrm, 🤔 Your numbers may be different, but I recall mine distinctly becuase of how much I messed with it. 420 water from by product, 180 from extractor(s), I needed 600 water total so there I was.
hazy heron
Oh, hrm, 🤔 Your numbers may be different, but I recall mine distinctly becuase ...
as said im using alternitive recipies eheh
magic island
I would 100% agree if we had some kind of overflow option for fluids. Like I say...
you don't have to worry about fluid overflow if you send the recycled water into separate alumina refineries instead of looping it back in. just have a smart splitter sink any overflow scrap
warm wren
as said im using alternitive recipies eheh
Yeah, sloppy, alternate electrode, you may or may not be using pure ingots but that doesn't matter for this. You're probably just producing more than I was is all. I was translating it out to 600 ingots with pure ingots, so I needed 720 solution which needs 600 water.
warm wren
you don't have to worry about fluid overflow if you send the recycled water into...
See to me, I was sinking something somewhere to make sure the whole system kept working. I choose concrete, your system would work just fine too.
hazy heron
Yeah, sloppy, alternate electrode, you may or may not be using pure ingots but t...
idk man. I need 600 water and the byproducts of aluminium scrap is 360m/2 water
warm wren
The numbers may be different but the process still the same, and as I said, I feel you... I had endless problems making it work, it finally did work, but after much ado.
magic island
idk man. I need 600 water and the byproducts of aluminium scrap is 360m/2 water
you just have to fiddle with clock speeds is all
if you're getting 360 byproduct water, then set up some separate refineries tuned to consume exactly 360, and some refineries tuned to consume only the extracted water (240? you said 600 total, right? so 240). the groups will have different clock speeds but that's fine
im on the bus and dont remember the ratios for Sloppy haha
hazy heron
if you're getting 360 byproduct water, then set up some separate refineries tune...
200 + 200 for 240
magic island
yeah so 3 refineries at 60% can consume that byproduct water
then you just need to tune the initial refineries
wind spade
most power efficient way to make reinforced plates 😄
vagrant edge
For modular design do many people supply items to factories from a central storage or directly from other factories?
magic island
i kinda split between primary/secondary production
so i make all my ingots/concrete/plubber etc, then send it all around to various destinations. lets you change/upgrade the way you make those primary items without disrupting the final product factories, and vice versa
frank mesa
usually try to manufacture most on site, and only ferry the low volume stuff between sites
And always make sure to manufacture high volume products right next to the machine that needs it. (Like steel screws, the steel beams ride the belt up to the point where they are made into screws, and have a short as possible belt into the machine that needs them)
fallen meteor
yo
I'm new to this game, if I want to get the screw usage down to 120 what do I have to underclock to? How do I work this out
edgy arch
You can type the exact amount you want in the lower left where it says ### per minute
fallen meteor
Ooh
I don't need an exact output I just want to know how I calculate the underclock I need for it to only use a certain amount of screws
So I can load balance
If thats the correct term
magic island
if the recipe uses 140 and you only want to supply 120, just divide 120 by 140.
unfortunately this specific example gives a repeating decimal, 85.7142857143...%, so it won't be able to operate at perfect efficiency. but in principle that's how you figure it out
fallen meteor
Ah Ok cool ty
So how do I efficiently load balance assemblers then?
Giving me tricky numbers
edgy arch
Overclock the supply just a tad
Of course, you need faster belts to handle it.... but hey... no biggie.. LOL
fallen meteor
Cries in mk2
edgy arch
Welcome to the world of Satisfactory Addicts. LOL
fallen meteor
pretty crappy alternate recipe I got then If I want to load balance
edgy arch
At the MK2 level, load balancing won't come out exact.
Just set the assembler to 85.714 percent and call it a day
fallen meteor
Or I could not use that alternate recipe, because I can handle the default one
Just wanted to try that one because I have a surplus of screws
edgy arch
There ya go, problem solved, for now.
fallen meteor
Good lord I have so many screws
magic island
If you use a manifold, then as long as the manifold is being fed at least slightly more than is being consumed, it's fine. you can even use a smart splitter to collect the overflow for other uses
but early on, i would say you don't necessarily need to sweat those decimal points. a lot of the stuff you build early on will get fully replaced. just something you can put a pin in to think about
edgy arch
I like manifolds myself... LOL
fallen meteor
I used one of those for mah coal factory
I think
Just fills up the coal plants and the excess gets sunk, is that a manifold?
edgy arch
yep, that is a manifold... first machine fills first, the rest wait in turn.
fallen meteor
Coolio
vapid gorge
HAvent unlocked the last two so idk
All three are amazing but I’m the beam recipe is fantastic. You can almost stop producing beams entirely and saves a ton on steel
vapid gorge
Just fills up the coal plants and the excess gets sunk, is that a manifold?
Are you sinking the excess coal?
fallen meteor
Are you sinking the excess coal?
Yeah
fallen meteor
reg
vapid gorge
Ok so because each splits you’re just kinda wasting coal and may actually have power generation issues in the long run.
Calculate how much your belt/miner can bring and just build that many coal gens
Less problems and you’ll absolutely need more power anyway
A manifold without smart spliters each set to overflow will waste a lot without filling the system
fallen meteor
It's temporary until I need more power, then the rest of that coal will go to use.
vapid gorge
Ah fair enough. I tend to just go ham and max them out as soon as I have the tech. Resetting your power after a brown out gets worse and worse the bigger you get unless you have the backup set
fallen meteor
About that upgrade
fallen meteor
Ah fair enough. I tend to just go ham and max them out as soon as I have the tec...
How does one "go ham"
I have plenty of resources
vapid gorge
How does one "go ham"
Go nuts, max out how many gens you can put out. Best way to deal with faster miners and belts is to make sure you can just make the manifolds longer to upgrade
balmy bolt
heyo
do i care about the extra 50% iron rods that are produced while making screws or should i just do 1-1 rods->screws
please tag me
fallen meteor
do i care about the extra 50% iron rods that are produced while making screws or...
You need rods as well as screws. So I have 4 constructors making rod, and then 2 of those go into screw constructors while the rest of the rods go into their own storage.
Are you just starting out? New to the game? @balmy bolt
balmy bolt
Relatively
fallen meteor
Relatively
https://youtu.be/BB1t-vy_yaM If you want a guide, this is great for your first factory layout. It makes all the basic parts and is 100% efficient (except for limestone)
I found it very helpful.
balmy bolt
hey how do i split 2 lanes into 3 evenly
magic island
split each one into 3, then merge pairs
(this is assuming you don't have a belt that can handle merging-then-splitting)
fallen meteor
I have wayyy too many items and I need to put something in place of their containers, how can I get rid of them? (sink is waaaaay too slow)
oh my this is the wrong channel
mb
vapid gorge
I have wayyy too many items and I need to put something in place of their contai...
You can drag an item in inventory while holding ctrl and move all like items in one go. Including trash
hazy heron
anyone have a perfect uranium fuel rod production?
fallen meteor
anyone have a perfect uranium fuel rod production?
I'm sure youtube/google does
oblique hollow
what is perfect production to you
gritty drift
ughhh whyyyyyy
zealous willow
ughhh whyyyyyy
right or middle one is a good choice
wind spade
ughhh whyyyyyy
what's the problem with steeled frame?
gritty drift
what's the problem with steeled frame?
I am personally not a fan of using a higher tier item to replace a lower tier item. not tryin to use caterium for copper and coal in frames when copper and iron are so abundant
wind spade
that's fair, but steel is not really that rare
magic island
imo once your dedicated steel production is set up, the complexity of being made from two resources is kind of reduced out, and you can just start treating steel as its own resource to spend as you wish
at which point, a lot of steel recipes become very attractive over iron ones
ebon crater
hmmm... im debaiting making a combined oil + bauxite + steel factory. I could make all items in the game(excluding nuclear) with a setup like this...
it would be a megafactory but i think it would be cool
glossy wagon
what underclocking percentage is 100% efficiency for concrete at mk 1 converyor belts?
wind spade
100% efficiency is if you supply enough limestone to the production 🙂
fervent osprey
what underclocking percentage is 100% efficiency for concrete at mk 1 converyor ...
i normally do 3 constructors and one at 70 percent
the rest at 100
fervent osprey
imo once your dedicated steel production is set up, the complexity of being made...
as soon as i unlock steel
i just afk for like 3/4 hours and never touch mk 2 again lmfao
ebon crater
wooo im now using a fuel recycling loop
and im lost haha
its hard because if i want less rubber then i need to make less plastic
and its like a loop of figuring out hte right numbers
versed violet
less rubber?
There is no 'less' in recycled loop, there is only adding more fuel 🤣
wind spade
you can get any combination of plastic and rubber from a recycled loop
they are interchangeable
wicked tinsel
ebon crater
*less* rubber?
There is no 'less' in recycled loop, there is only adding *more* ...
I need a certain ammount of rubber for my production areas. I need... lets say 60 rubber. I make 60 rubber from the polymer resin from the HOR alt, but I also need 120 plastic. so I need to use 60 rubber to make 120 plastic, use 60 plastic to make 120 rubber, then use 30 rubber to get back my 60 plastic, for a total yield of 90 rubber and 120 plastic. but I dont wana "waste" fuel, since im using it for a power plant, so i need to make less rubber, so i need to make less plastic, and so on... if that makes sense
it just takes me a while to do the maths
what i ended up doing to get my required 440 rubber and 360 plastic was turn
880 resin --> 440 rubber --> 480 plastic + 200 extra rubber --> 240 rubber + 360 extra plastic for a total of 360 plastic + 440 rubber
vapid gorge
I am personally not a fan of using a higher tier item to replace a lower tier it...
Unless you're going for crazy builds a drop of caterium into your copper for wire is amazing
fallen meteor
Why is my production changing to meet consumption? I am using only coal and they aren't burning extra or anything
vagrant edge
Looks like you still have a few biomass burners on your grid somewhere?
fallen meteor
Yeah but they are all either disconnected, empty or on standby
vagrant edge
Are the ones on the hub on standby?
fallen meteor
These are off, I'll go check my hub
vagrant edge
Those would total to +40 MW
fallen meteor
bloody hell yeah it's these ones
stay on standby damnit
Guess I'm gonna have to unlock miner mk2 so I can expand my coal plant
yaaaay
fallen meteor
My water extractors are generating 300u/m each, why is it not enough for 10 coal plants?
ebon crater
My water extractors are generating 300u/m each, why is it not enough for 10 coal...
its 75 water/min per power plant. that setup you've got is 30 water/ plant.
fallen meteor
ebon crater
ideally you would make a multiple of 4
oh yea 45, but still same problem
fallen meteor
says 45 :(
ebon crater
10*45 =/= 300
fallen meteor
what is =/=?
ebon crater
not equal to
fallen meteor
Yeah it's 450
ebon crater
wel...
fallen meteor
so I am generating 600
ebon crater
mk1 pipe is limited to 300/min
fallen meteor
ooooooh
ebon crater
yea
fallen meteor
I should just be able to separate the extractors into their own pipes then and I should be good?
ebon crater
also quick tip, use all the available coal. so if you're using mk1 miner on pure node, make 8 generators, 15 coal, times 8, makes 120 coal/min, which is what can be supplied by a mk1 miner on a pure node
ebon crater
I should just be able to separate the extractors into their own pipes then and I...
yup! water is unidirectional, but make sure you seperate them by enough(one pipe from each side would work) so that no single pipe segment gets overflowed
fallen meteor
also quick tip, use all the available coal. so if you're using mk1 miner on pure...
I've just been sinking it and adding more generators when I need
ebon crater
I've just been sinking it and adding more generators when I need
ah ok, just know that coal power is modular(3 generators at 100% per 8 coal generators) so it might be easier to add generators in groups of eight
fallen meteor
modular? You are speaking big brain I do not understand lol
ebon crater
basically, you can add groups of eight infinitley, and you will not make too many recource
for example in that case you need 450 water, but are making 600
instead, if you build eight with three generators, you will use 120 coal, 360 water
1 mk1 miner(pure) + 3 water extractors(120 each)
credit to AndersPottemager on reddit
so with my 128 coal generators, i divide each of them into groups of eight and feed them seperatley with one pipe(mk2, so 600/min) and that pipe is connected to no more, no less than three water extractors
ebon crater
8, 16, 32, 64, 128 are better numbers.
8 is a mk1 miner, 16 is a mk2 miner, 32 is a mk2 miner at 200%, and so on
weee
fallen meteor
epic
ebon crater
if you have mk2 miners, i would go for 32 generators
its a very solid number that will last you a good steel setup and get you moving on oil(i think)
fallen meteor
hmm ok
fallen meteor
Alright I'll give this redesign a go
ebon crater
for all your pipe needs, can also be found in the pins
ebon crater
no worries
ebon crater
Alright I'll give this redesign a go
good luck! I love coal power more than oil power(havent touched nuclear yet) i hope you enjoy it too
fallen meteor
Yeah I love it a whole lot more than bio that's for sure. So glad to not have to do that anymore hehe
ebon crater
oh yeah its a blessing
the game flies by after coal and once you start steel
that being said though after steel i made oil then i redesigned steel and now im redesigning oil + doing bauxite... havent progressed very much in the past 50 hours, but i've certainly learned a lot!
fallen meteor
I started steel but realised I was running on my backup gennies so that's why I'm upgrading my power lol
I've been playing for 61 hours and I'm not even phase 2 lul
fallen meteor
Yeah I've never been good at aesthetics in any game
Part of the reason I keep redesigning my stuff
ebon crater
i spent so darn long making things look good
at one point i did trigonometry for my train tracks
fallen meteor
if you have mk2 miners, i would go for 32 generators
This would require overclock right?
ebon crater
yes, 200% on a pure node
fallen meteor
cool
ebon crater
though
that requires mk4 belts
its just that 32 is such a nice number to work with
max belt speed at 780 is more anoying because its 52 coal gens... not a nice number to work with if you ask me
fallen meteor
I do not have mk4
ebon crater
and honestly if you have mk5 you should be on oil at least haha
ebon crater
I do not have mk4
easy to unlock, and you dont need many *of the encased beams as you can use a spitter to split into 3 mk2 belts or 2 mk3 belts... your choice
ebon crater
Why did I not get my stuff back from my miner D:
maybe your inventory is full and it dropped as a crate
fallen meteor
No crate
fallen meteor
easy to unlock, and you dont need many *of the encased beams as you can use a sp...
I cant get mk4 until phase 2 which is why I'm doing this lol
fallen meteor
ha
ebon crater
eh, you can always do 16, expanding to 32 is easy after that
fallen meteor
well damn, my last autosave was after I dismantled it lol
ebon crater
alternitivley you can find a second pure coal node and make 32 using two miners, than swap to one mk2 miner at 200%
ebon crater
well damn, my last autosave was after I dismantled it lol
you can press esc, then load, then pick a autosave of your choice to revert to
fallen meteor
Yeah I mean the oldest autosave
fallen meteor
I dunno if I just deleted the stuff on autopilot but I guess I'm going back to base
fallen meteor
credit to AndersPottemager on reddit
First chunk done! (Except for pipes underneath)
fallen meteor
Love this design, thank you.
Actually doesn't hurt to look at unlike all my other builds
ebon crater
haha
I find I spent a lot of time making neat setups and 90 degree angles, but not enough time building a support structure, walls, or a roof
fallen meteor
I will not lie the pipes are an absolute NIGHTMARE, but as long as they work I can seal them away forever lol
And because I did it through the floor it still looks nice topside
wind spade
it's recommended to feed generators from top, not from bottom
fallen meteor
Yes I have realised my blunder
using so much of my power on pumps and it still isn't working
god damnit
Time to relocate the factory to water level I guess
Professional Time Waster
fallen meteor
It's water
wind spade
water is fluid
fallen meteor
You want me to freeze it or something
magic island
bringing the coal down is free and reliable. bringing the water up is tricky and costs pump power
fallen meteor
Yeah that's my next move
This coal thing is on a cliff that's only like 50-100m down to water
Thought it would be enough
Worst part is that stupid spit dog is down there
wind spade
if it's more than 10m, it's not worth
fallen meteor
better pipes don't help
Yeah but I wouldn't have to split up my pipes because it has higher max flow
So I don't have to place more pumps
wind spade
you'd still have to use pumps which isn't ideal 🤷♂️
fallen meteor
Half though, but yeah def avoiding this
god damn it there's kittens below me too aaa
empty yoke
are you running 1 water extractor per coal factory?
or are you splitting them and running 4 tubes up with 4x the pumps? XD
magic island
if you bridge together the pipes just after a pump, that one pump can boost all of them for that stretch of height
but it's still a much bigger mess than just resigning to the power of gravity
fallen meteor
are you running 1 water extractor per coal factory?
3 per 8 coal facs
empty yoke
thats fine, but where are you splitting the pipes
fallen meteor
I think If you want a screenshot of the pipes I'm gonna have to give you a gore warning
empty yoke
so as the other guy said, you could save a lot of pumps if you run 1 pipe up and split it on even ground
there are some cool layouts on the wiki, one sec
I basically just rebuild this and only needed around 2 pumps for 4 coal plants
fallen meteor
Yeah thats why I said I needed better pipes, so I can merge these ones and use less pumps
wind spade
you need 0 pupms if you do it at water levels
fallen meteor
But mk1 pipes are cringe
empty yoke
why
fallen meteor
you need 0 pupms if you do it at water levels
Yep I'm going to
empty yoke
mk1 can support enough water
fallen meteor
Oh yeah I forgot about that
wind spade
G G G G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
G G G G
^^
empty yoke
both perhaps
fallen meteor
😐
how the heck can I do both
oh
I think I get you
Yes I will make use of this
but damn it's gonna take a while to dismantle this
fallen meteor
Hey what it happened again
Twice in a row my MK2 miner hasn't given me the items back when I dismantle it
wait nvm it's here??
what on earth
fallen meteor
It was full but the drop box was in really weird spot
I still haven't found the drop from last time, unless that was it lol
What would be the cheapest way of moving 240 items per minute? I don't have mk3 production yet
Ooh nvm I had brain blast
oblique hollow
2 mk 2 
clever cedar
I was getting desperate ok
If you are looking for pump efficiency just use 2 pumps for 13 coal gens. You have to do this in a loop so both sides can carry up to 300m3
fallen meteor
How are the belts on top of the pipes in this bp?
wind spade
they are... just higher up? 🤔
fallen meteor
How do I get them higher up
wind spade
you build them higher 🤷♂️
fallen meteor
And how do I place splitters in mid-air
sick tulip
you don't
you place a splitter and then another on top
fallen meteor
I tried that
wind spade
or just put splitter on the belt
fallen meteor
cant do that
fallen meteor
Everytime I do that it doesn't work
wind spade
then you're doing it wrong 🤷♂️ hard to help you if the only info is "it doesn't work"
magic island
there's a few ways to build conveyors in midair
you can put temporary foundations up to where you want the belts. you can use conveyor poles (stackable works best). you can pile up mergers/splitters, then delete the lower ones, to get them into place
fallen meteor
But how am I supposed to build on a grid?
magic island
all of those methods work for grid building
wind spade
foundations. or don't, nobody's forcing you
fallen meteor
This blueprint is forcing me
wind spade
you don't have to build same as the blueprint
fallen meteor
Well technically I don't but if I want, y'know.. a functioning conveyor line I kind of do
clever cedar
Sometimes problem is you not itself.
fallen meteor
You lads are fun ay
wind spade
Well technically I don't but if I want, y'know.. a functioning conveyor line I k...
no, you can just build 8 generators in straight line and hook everything to them. Or build them in any other shape
fallen meteor
Last time I tried to do it my own way I wasted 2 hours
wind spade
on wiki there are like 50 different setups that all work the same because it doesn't matter what shape your belts and pipes are, all that matters is that you can get water to the gens (build close to water level), have enough extractors (3 to 8 gens), have enough coal (120/min to 8 gens), have fast enough belt to carry that much (mk2+ or two mk1s) and no pipe section has more than 300m3 (so usually two pipes)
I already shared this
G G G G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
G G G G
alright so.
- build 3 extractors in the water
- connect them all with the pipe
- put 4 gens on one side of the pipe
- put 4 gens on other side of the pipe
- connect pipes to gens
- connect belts to gens
nothing else really matters (e.g. how are they rotated, in what position, etc.)
wind spade
I'm just trying to help 🤷♂️
wind spade
you spent last 20 minutes complaining how the design doesn't work 🤷♂️
fallen meteor
Show me one of my messages where I said the design didn't work?
oblique hollow
greeny literally described the setup you shared
fallen meteor
I was just asking how to replicate the bp
wind spade
we gave you the answer, you said it doesn't work 🤷♂️
oblique hollow
if you cant build splitters on belts you better find out how
fallen meteor
there's a few ways to build conveyors in midair
you can put temporary foundatio...
This dude answered my question in one message?
fallen meteor
we gave you the answer, you said it doesn't work 🤷♂️
Where?
oblique hollow
supercar answered you. that not enough?
wind spade
then you're doing something wrong 🤷♂️ because building splitters on conveyors is normally possible by aiming at the belt
but because you weren't able to do that for some reason, I suggested that you don't have to follow the BP exactly and that the position of belts and pipes doesn't matter
I also suggested several other setups and said wiki has a lot of them as well
fallen meteor
And I said I didn't want to change my setup. What's the big deal guy. I never said any of them didn't work.
wind spade
I mean if you can't build it for some reason, then it doesn't work 🤷♂️
fallen meteor
Not being able to place splitters on the end of conveyers = Design doesn't work?
what
fallen meteor
Ooooooh
wind spade
there's your problem
fallen meteor
Jesus christ how did it take this long for someone to explain this
oblique hollow
you never said how you fail to make it work
wind spade
"aim at the belt to place splitter on it"
oblique hollow
i would have expected you tried anywhere on the belt, not just the ends
fallen meteor
Never though of that lol
oblique hollow
well now you know
fallen meteor
Yes
oblique hollow
and whaat about stacking splitters?
fallen meteor
And maybe we can stop arguing about an issue that was solved 10 minutes ago
oblique hollow
you said you cant find out how to do thaat either
fallen meteor
and whaat about stacking splitters?
I just ended up doing what that racecar guy said with the foundations
oblique hollow
if it works well for you, great
gleaming breach
So, if I wanna do a coal fabric
is 3 water 8 goal facory the correct math? Anyone has "a build plan"?
vapid gorge
is 3 water 8 goal facory the correct math? Anyone has "a build plan"?
if you scroll up there's a few pictures and there's a few set ups on the wiki but basically any combination of 3 extractors to 8 generators where you don't have more than 300 water flow on any 1 part of the pipe and you're good
gleaming breach
Ah thanks 🙏
velvet jasper
funny story, the calculator said i needed 13.(irational number) foundrys for my steel, so i went fuck it and cheated in 12 power shards to allow me the ability to look nice
wind spade
you could underclock and make it 14
velvet jasper
but then that would be an absolute nightmare to belt, as i have 3 inputs of 200 each, so its so much easier to belt 12 up
frosty owl
3 inputs of 200 each? Sounds like somethig one belt can handle
craggy gate
Hi Guys
velvet jasper
hello
craggy gate
any thoughts about upcoming updates?
velvet jasper
i dont know honestly, not much more they can do with the game
maybe a story, but thats all i can think of
that convo is better suited for #satisfactory though
wind spade
but then that would be an absolute nightmare to belt, as i have 3 inputs of 200...
why so? merge to two, each belt goes to 7
timber flare
why so? merge to two, each belt goes to 7
300>270
wind spade
then do 15 machines and each belt to 5 🤷♂️
vagrant edge
are smart/programmable splitters Turing complete?
I’m not actually gonna try any funny business with them but I’m curious
Huh apparently even non programmable buildings are Turing complete
wind spade
satisfactory is turing complete
bold fox
On a related note, is there a faster way to unblock a belt line when items are flowing in along another? Basically a transistor
frosty owl
On a related note, is there a faster way to unblock a belt line when items are f...
Faster than what?
bold fox
faster than an assembler
since it has startup time
it's the limiting factor I'm running into
frosty owl
faster than an assembler
You can do similar switches with belts, but it incurs in throughput limitations.
Example: belt with item A carries 480/min (mk4 belt). Merge that with a belt carrying B 2 times so you have 120/min of A and the rest is B. Smart-split with item A in one side (limited to mk2, going to be merged back with main input), item B on the other (free the belt from B) and overflow in the middle. Result: overflows with 360 item A/min only when B isn't present (or comes at less than 360/min)
There are more examples to be digged up in Reddit
bold fox
What I need is for the belt with A to halt when B is not present
wind spade
e.g. this is my not gate
bold fox
I'm working on backwards logic
wind spade
but what you're asking for is probably not possible or reasonable
bold fox
well it's possible via both being inputs into an assembler, but it's not reasonable at the moment
alternatively, belt A can't flow if belt B is flowing
wind spade
that's exactly what I have above - a not gate 🤷♂️
bold fox
but a not gate for forwards stuff
wind spade
wdym forwards stuff?
bold fox
forwards:
1=items on belt
0=no items on belt
backwards:
1=items on belt are moving
0=items on belt aren't moving
forwards transfers signals in the same direction as the belt, whilst backwards transfers the other way
backwards makes an AND trivial, but my current backwards NOT design requires a forwards to backwards converter
wind spade
in my case items on the belt are always moving, so it's the same
bold fox
it's still different bc of signal direction and actual schematics
wind spade
and is trivial nevertheless, just an assembler
bold fox
that suffers from the same problem my B->F gate suffers from: assembler startup time
bold fox
that suffers from the same problem my B->F gate suffers from: assembler startup ...
I mean my F->B gate. B->F is just a B AND gate but with a different output
cedar mica
Resources are only limited to per minute, so we dont really need special logic
bold fox
wdym special logic?
oblique hollow
logic in general
why do it. you dont have variance
your nodes never run dry
so the only shift is if you set up a production line thats unstable / dynamic to begin with
oblique hollow
i did it too for the sake of doing it. personal conclusion right now: belt and pipe gates are slow and lame
bold fox
what happens when the output of a full belt opens up? Do all the items start consecutively, like cars, or concurrently?
oblique hollow
kinda all at once
theres no noticable delay from the other end of a belt
pipes.... not so much xd
oblique hollow
with not you need a normal and an inverted output
so its basically just a toggle
the inverted output needs to be dealt with somehow
bold fox
sink
bold fox
that's what I'm using
the problem is, overflow takes a backwards input and gives me a forwards output
and converting from forwards to backwards is the slow part
velvet jasper
Quick question, what are the must-use alternates, I need a list of alternate recipients I should use for my tier 5-6 factory.
wind spade
that really depends what do you mean by must use. Some alts are good for resource saving, some for power saving, some for complexity saving, some for changing items needed to different set and some for getting rid of screws entirely 🤷♂️
timber flare
Because screw screws
wind spade
not really, screws are cool
timber flare
... ye if they are steel and you have good belts
jolly furnace
it seems that a lot of choices are meaningful
a lot of recipes seem well balanced and may as well be picked based on personal preference / playstyle
there's the odd very poor (bio coal) or too good (iron ingot to steel) recipes but most seem to have balanced costs and benefits
for instance , pure iron is NOT trivial to setup
takes a lot of power gobbling refineries AND water intake as well
the yield in ingots is preposterous but the space required to build is staggering as well
oh and to make it fun , it makes everything off ratio :p
so , more suited to brute forcing a factory's iron supply rather than making everything just right
timber flare
so , more suited to brute forcing a factory's iron supply rather than making *ev...
Exactly why i love it
As stated Alts are all about playstyle
vagrant edge
Woo I just built most of an early game factory and I've just discovered that modular frames take reinforced plates and not plates
glossy wagon
Can someone tell me how this makes sense? why is my efficiency not at 100%
magic island
judging by the machine's screw stack being nearly full, im guessing the output is backed up, so it keeps having to stop
glossy wagon
@magic island that was it thank you
Can't explain this either... or can't find it.. think i might have the same kind of issue...
fervent osprey
I think i just got the best early game bug, inf biomass and all i gotta do is click
ebon crater
Can't explain this either... or can't find it.. think i might have the same kind...
check for yellow lights. i see one already in that screenshot. when light are yellow they dont use as much power(0.1MW)
ebon crater
I think i just got the best early game bug, inf biomass and all i gotta do is cl...
yeah there are a few trees that do that, its nice though i've never found one myself
fervent osprey
yeah there are a few trees that do that, its nice though i've never found one my...
actually so nice for the desert
considering we havent quite gotten coal power finished yet so this will be nice for the next few hours
im at about 10k leaves now lmfao
glossy wagon
any tips on finding my descrepancy? it appears all my machines are running at 100
fervent osprey
all thats left to do is automate the rest
alr have auto biomass maker lmfao
static rock
Hi everyone!!!
Question re Power Storage
I have an excess of storage at around 144kMWh, all connected to a single power grid.
Ive been using some heavy duty factories recently that used like half.
While depleting the storage, I got the "One of your Power Storages is depleted" messasge a few different times, which seems unusual to me if they all charge / discharge equally
Am i missing something?
ebon crater
depleting or depleted?
static rock
Depleted, its just a notification like when MAM research finishes
balmy bolt
i used 2-1 water extracter->coal because it's easier
just use separate water systems for them aswell
stuck anchor
Hi everyone!!!
Question re Power Storage
I have an excess of storage at around 1...
in that case they must not discharge equally, or something must not be connected properly. this might be something to take to the official site and make a bug report if everything is hooked up correctly.
modest summit
Man. I played this game a year or two ago and apparently I never learned or forgot that power generators don't underclock linearly
I just spent like an hour trying to figure out why this stupid compacted coal plant wasn't running at 100%
wind spade
you may also want to know that fluid loss on load bug exists, so you should overproduce water a bit 🙂
modest summit
I am overproducing a little, that's one of the first things I tried while troubleshooting. 🙂
Now everything is running all the time but the total capacity still isn't what it should be, which makes me wonder if I miswired it somehow. >_<
I'm going to disconnect one generator at a time and check that my production drops in each case. That's what I've sunk to. >_>
gleaming breach
men...i build a perfect fabric for my first better metalplates (dont know the name atm xd) and I was wondering why it wasnt working perfect, checked everything twice, stopped playing and checked again....
and suddenly I find 1 "piece" of belt mk1 directly at the start of the miner -.-
only took me 2 days -.-
oblique hollow
reinforced iron plates is the name.
also thats a classic issue xd
frosty owl
Hi everyone!!!
Question re Power Storage
I have an excess of storage at around 1...
Seems like you had fluctuating power demand. When it spikes up, the batteries might be drained in <30 min, causing a notification for you, then power denan drops leaving >30min battery-life and the chance for another notification next time the power spikes again
frosty owl
Can't explain this either... or can't find it.. think i might have the same kind...
A) Go somewhere you can see ALL machines' lights and check whichever turns yellow even for an instant. That's where you have issues
-
If the grid is big, create subsections of it and power them individually to find what group of machines is giving issues
-
(longest method) check the input-output inventories of all machines. Any that don't have a full input inventory and empty output might not be running at 100%
north perch
I have 12 constructors and one line of rods, how many splitters do I need and how would I set them up to go equally into those constructors
dusky tangle
7, I guess
put 4 splitters with 3 outputs closest to the constructors, then 2 splitters with 2 outputs each, then 1 last splitter
north perch
put 4 splitters with 3 outputs closest to the constructors, then 2 splitters wit...
could you draw this, Im having trouble trying to imagine this LOL
dusky tangle
if you had only 3 constructors, a single splitter does the job. Then if you need 6, then build twice the same thing, and add a splitter to choose between these two parts. Then if you need 12, then it's again 2x6, so build that twice and add a splitter
in the end it's a tree with 3 levels, the root becomes two branches, which become 2x2=4, which become 4x3=12
bold fox
could you draw this, Im having trouble trying to imagine this LOL
C C C C C C C C C C C C
| ^ | | ^ | | ^ | | ^ |
\<s>/ \<S>/ \<S>/ \<S>/
| | | |
\-<S>-/ \-<S>-/
| |
\----<S>----/
|
^ In
C=Constructor
S=Splitter
<^>v=output
thank you 🙂
north perch
tysm guys
bold fox
np
wind spade
I have 12 constructors and one line of rods, how many splitters do I need and ho...
12, one in front of each constructor 🙂
dusky tangle
@bold fox while we're at it, I looked at what you were trying to do yesterday, a backward logic NOT. This simple version is not quite there but it takes a signal on A[out] where either 60/min or 0/min items A are consumed, and it responds by consuming on C either 30/min or 60/min (so 60->30 and 0->60):
^
|
B ------30---------. |
| |
V B
|
A ------60------> M --120---> SS ---60/0---> A[out]```the problem is turning a 30/60 signal into a 0/60 signal
dusky tangle
maybe we should change globally the meanings, and say that 30/min means "0" and 60/min means "1" and all signals should always be running at either 30 or 60/min
bold fox
hmm
I'll try that
tho that does make it harder to trigger stuff with it since it'll always be moving a little
dusky tangle
maybe we're OK if that is the harder part, and the logic circuitry itself can be easier
bold fox
yeah
dusky tangle
^
| overflow 30/0
|
A --- 60 ---> SS --- 30/60 ---> A[out]```this would turn a 30/60 backward signal into a 30/0 forward signal
dusky tangle
F->B is just a merger, if the conveyor speeds are well chosen
bold fox
Backwards OR is
src-\
/--- 30 ---> M --- 30/60 ---> X[in]
Z[in] --- 30/60 ---> S
\--- 30 ---> M --- 30/60 ---> Y[in]
src-/
Would a packagers-driven-signal be too slow? They can be decently reactive
bold fox
hmm?
dusky tangle
hum, they can but they only take a single non-liquid input
frosty owl
Packager-unpackager where the packaged input block a sushi belt that has priority-merged the important item on it
dusky tangle
@bold fox what is "src" in your diagram?
bold fox
some item source
frosty owl
Packager-unpackager where the packaged input block a sushi belt that has priorit...
Higher clock makes for faster reactions
bold fox
some item source
it's necessary bc we have 30/60 coming in and 60/120 coming out
dusky tangle
@bold fox ah I see now, but there is a problem, if X=30 and Y=60 or vice-versa, it will run Z at 45
frosty owl
Btw, you've accounted for the max-throughput bug with belt, right?
bold fox
the what?
frosty owl
Belt-belt connections "lag" at max throughput (items pile up at source)
bold fox
in that case we could use mk2 belts to transfer the signal
frosty owl
Using a single low tier segment can be enough to choke throughput at key points
bold fox
hmm
dusky tangle
...and what about duplicator logic, that turns one signal into two identical signals?
^
| A only
A -------> |
M ---fast---> SS ---30/60--->
B ------->
updated the NOT diagram to get 30/60 or 60/30 at both ends:
Y --60/30--> \
M ----- 90/60 ---> M ----120---> sink
src --30--> / ^
|
| B, 30/60 forward
src B -> \ |
M ---60/120--> SS ---X-30/60--> X
src X -> /
I was just checking that it can really be done to get from an input X=30/60 to an output Y=60/30
bold fox
you could use F->B & B->F to make an OR
dusky tangle
ah, yes. the B->F produces a forward 0/30, so by merging them we get a forward 0/30/60, but we can apply F->B which takes 0/30 and if it was 60 then the extra forward stuff is overflowed to a sink
bold fox
so that's technically a full logic system
dusky tangle
src 60 ---> SS --- 30/60 ---> X
|
| src 60
overflow 30/0 | |
v v
M --> SS ---max.30--> M --max.60--> Z
|
^ |overflow
overflow 30/0 | |
| sink
|
src 60 ---> SS --- 30/60 ---> Y
yes
it seems we need conveyor belts at speeds "max 30", "max 60" or "unlimited", so maybe it would be easier to implement if we choose "60/120" instead of "30/60"
dusky tangle
🙂
uh nonsense at the end of my last diagram
|
| [Z]
overflow 30/0 | | 30/60
v |
v
M ----------> M --max.60--> sink
^
overflow 30/0 |
|
|
src 60 ---> SS --- 30/60 ---> [Y]
we want Z to be a conveyor input, i.e. a logic output
on the central "---->" there could be 0/30/60 depending on the two inputs, but really it's limited to 30 by the merger at the right, which means in this case the two overflows at the left will only run at 15 each, but it's not a problem
for reference, a variant of that idea that only sinks 30/min instead of 60/min...
| |
src 30 | |
| | overflow 30/0 |
v | v
|
---> M ---> S M --max.30--> sink
|
^ | ^
| | overflow 30/0 |
src 30 | |
| |
'---45/60/60---> SS --- 30/60 ---> [Y]
and finally (stopping now!) yet another simplification, with only 3 splitter/mergers:
fallen meteor
How do I split this?
dusky tangle
[Z]---max.60
|
v
/--- 30/60 ---> [X]
src 60 --> M --> SS ---60/90/120--> S
| \--- 30/60 ---> [Y]
|
| overflow max.30
v
sink
...which needs to be written like that actually:
[Z]---max.60
|
v
/--- 30/60 ---> [X]
src 30 --> M --> SS ---60/90/120--> S
| \--- 30/60 ---> [Y]
^ |
| | overflow max.30
src 30 v
sink
merge all, manifold output
fallen meteor
is that the only way?
wind spade
it's the easiest way
fallen meteor
I want to load balance
wind spade
then do so 🤷♂️
fallen meteor
I'm asking how...
dusky tangle
in this case it's only three steel pipe constructors, so yes, you can simply merge all and then use one splitter
dusky tangle
ah
maybe the easiest is to make them all on 66.6667%
(it's also easier for load-balancing, and it also consumes less electricity in total)
...sorry, 250/3 = 83.3333%
wind spade
I'm asking how...
find out how many buildings you have, search for 1:X balancer
if it's three buildings, it's literally just one splitter 😄
frosty owl
Best kind of balancers 
bold fox
Ari one problem with the 30/60 is that it would have a ~2s buffer for the next signal that can be sent on that line
60/120 would have a ~1s delay, and 120/240 a ~.5s delay
hazy pumice
hmmmm this doesn't seem right
amber jacinth
Why not?
hazy pumice
wouldn't 33% clock speed be slower than 100%?
oh wait no this means in addition to
nvm
hazy wren
I need help with splitters 😅
What I have is a line of 10 items / s, and i want to use splitters to make 5 lines of 2/s, how would I do this? (a diagram would be amazing if possible and thank you so much in advance)
languid wing
https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Tutorial:Prime_splitter_arrays has a 1/5 splitter diagram in it.
hazy wren
ah thank you so much!
crimson pasture
what have more weight on that resource table people does, 24 oil vs 113 coal. Just trying to figure out the best "modular frame" recipe cost wise.
forgot to add my iron plate alternative to the recipe, I need to recalculate the numbers there 🤔
24 oil vs 113 coal, I wonder what would have more weight on the long run
or 1:~5
wind spade
I need help with splitters 😅
What I have is a line of 10 items / s, and i wan...
You can also use manifolds
vapid gorge
what have more weight on that resource table people does, 24 oil vs 113 coal. Ju...
There's some documents people have postesd on Reddit you can find pretty easily.
vapid gorge
I need help with splitters 😅
What I have is a line of 10 items / s, and i wan...
Yeah manifolds are much simpler
magic island
10 items per minute isnt very high volume, and if it needs to go to 5 machines then it could take like half an hour for the lines to fill (if the stack size is 50, that is; much longer if it's bigger stacks). i personally wouldn't manifold that
wind spade
10 items per minute isnt very high volume, and if it needs to go to 5 machines t...
you just pre-fill machines and there's no startup time
also even during the startup machines will work
vapid gorge
10 items per minute isnt very high volume, and if it needs to go to 5 machines t...
if 5 machines only need 10 ppm then manifolding it with that number won't take very long.
If it's last stage production that extra spin up time won't be really meaningful since you can go out and do other things like normal
wind spade
limpid remnant
What is a good way to give smelters and constucters a good amount so it will 100% efficient, because sometimes it is not easy?
keen helm
What is a good way to give smelters and constucters a good amount so it will 100...
well you can use balancers or manifolds, manifolds take time to fill up and rely on overflow but they are easier and much more compact, balancer work to take input(s) and divide it into outputs that distribute evenly
limpid remnant
Thx
keen helm
np
vapid gorge
Thx
Both manifolds and balancers are 100% efficient and if you're worried about brain hurt don't do balancers
ashen aurora
balancers make your brain hurt
Only problem I have with them; They do not split well into 5's ands 7's. And the space. Otherwise they're amazing because it forces machines within the line to work ALL THE TIME when used at 100% efficiency, basically disabling power fluctuations.
You know how much power you need at the time instead of being worried about 'maximum consumption.' I usually just meet the current consumption when I have one or more lines offline (because the storage is full, I don't need it or it was temporary [plus I almost never have all lines running]), and build more power generators to meet max consumption but have them offline because I don't need them.
wind spade
Otherwise they're amazing because it forces machines within the line to work ALL THE TIME when used at 100% efficiency
that's also true for manifolds, after it's filled
I don't think there's a reason to have power generators disabled
resources are infinite, you're not wasting anything by having them running
and you can also keep all production lines running as well and sink overflow for some cool extra coupons
ashen aurora
resources are infinite, you're not wasting anything by having them running
valid, but still, I think I'd rather have as many still lines as possible for lag optimization, a mistake I didn't fix in my first save. lol
ashen aurora
and you can also keep all production lines running as well and sink overflow for...
That's one thing I didn't think of for concrete, but even so I wouldn't be able to do it because my storage system already had a shitton of belts it had to deal with [so concrete couldn't fit + they all merged into one line for the sink (which had a buffer)]