math-and-meta

[charred crescent]

dammit

time to load some extra screws onto my copper belt

[wintry aurora]

Also, DSP just added in item stacking in there for belts. On paper, item stacking would be a great solution, only problem is that it works because all items in DSP are box shaped, I don't know how they'd be able to do it here.

[charred crescent]

mmh

make it taller

[wintry aurora]

Some items are already tall.

[charred crescent]

i said make it taller

i know exactly what i meant

[wintry aurora]

That'd be the solution if you don't care about making it look good.

[charred crescent]

it can all just crunch together on an entrance point

vecause fuck physics am i right

time to hunt for more slugs because im out of shards

[silver shale]

are u kidding me? u are my first doggo

what should i do? i cant get rid of it.

[sand epoch]

Kill it

[silver shale]

u want me to kill a doggo?

[wintry aurora]

Only way to unfortunately.

Or maybe die and let it touch ground and despawn? More consulted and dunno if that would actually do anything with its inventory.

[silver shale]

alright u are staying here forever

[wanton vault]

I feel like putting it in a cage and feeding it berries is more morally correct

like that

[dense loom]

man making a logistics chain to automate computer production is no joke

[silver shale]

ok i spended 20 tickets for this zoo

[sand epoch]

20? For wht..

[silver shale]

signs.

GG what have i done..

[sand epoch]

Painting green woulda been cheaper lol

[wintry aurora]

Covered up a node only to later want to need it? Had that happen with the one by the quartz south of rocky desert. Less drastic of a rebuild needed though as I only had to a move a drone port over.

[charred crescent]

i think i made my rotor factory a little toogood

just a smidgeon.

and its still going up- by 10 per minute

[full thunder]

Someone asked for help signaling his train network, he made this plan of it (screen 1).
This is a single bi directional rail.

Here is the solution that came to mind for me. (screen 2). Any thoughts? 🙂

[wintry aurora]

How many trains are using it though?

[charred crescent]

turn the intersection into a circle

[full thunder]

3 i guess, and the 3 stations at the right would be at the factory 🤔

[full thunder]

you mean all intersections?

[wintry aurora]

It is a circle in the sense that it’s a loop.

[charred crescent]

make it dick-shaped for the shits and giggles

[wintry aurora]

How about no and get bonked by the mods :p

[fallow plover]

wouldnt a double track setup be better?

[full thunder]

completely, just trying to fix this dude network with the minimal amount of fixes

[fallow plover]

oh ok

well yes it would work but this will only create more problems when trains suddenly stop

[full thunder]

what do you mean? 🤔

[fallow plover]

like from my exeperience in transport fever 2 this setup would work fine for a while but there is a chance that trains will come to a "stand-off" and stop, to never move again if action is not taken. And as far as I know I dont think you can force, say, the returning train to go on the other rail

[full thunder]

oh, hence why the slipoff tracks I added, woud be better with an additional block signal on the slipoff tracks on the right and enough space to store 2 trains, but having made a similar setup for a tutorial video, it won't block 🙂

[fallow plover]

oh well if you say so

but what if they meet in the middle?

you have to make sure the middle is always free

that means that trains will have to stay still in the slipoff tracks for some time

so the answer would be

make the middle shorter, meaning adding more slip off tracks

that kinda defeats the purpose of not building a double track setup

[full thunder]

the middle is kind of a roundabout with path signals, adding more path signals inside the roundabout could be done too to free the reservation of the free sections of a train crossing it.

but yeah, 1 bi directional track is a pain to manage for multiple trains :p

[fallow plover]

yeah kind of like that

[wind spade]

Do dual rails instead

Nvm just read rest of convo

But don't do roundabouts

[full thunder]

why? i did some on a save dedicated for a tutorial video and it works just fine 🤔

[vapid gorge]

Greeny is v against them

[vapid gorge]

And to be fair a roundabout intersection will slow down every train that meets others on it

[full thunder]

since i dont care about their design I find this minimal roundabout handy 😊

[full thunder]

not really if you chain path signals

[vapid gorge]

With that though every train is interacting on the one path. If you have side merging lane that either go over or under only the two paths interact

It matters less if you’ve only got a handful of trains mind you

[full thunder]

yeah but chaining path signals allows you to clear the reservation of the sections the train just left while on the path

hence why you build additional path signals inside the roundabout itself

on this "test" roundabout I have 6 trains circulating and it's fluent 🙂

[vapid gorge]

Clearing the path signal prior to it isn’t the issue though, it’s increasing the number of trains that can be on a part of a loop that will force a train to stop

But the whole thing depends on the number of trains using the intersection per minute. If it’s only a couple it won’t matter

[wind spade]

They are least efficient junctions

[vapid gorge]

See? Strong feelings XD

[full thunder]

😂

could be interesting to see if there is any difference in an actual setup between a roundabout and two classical "fork" intersections

[vapid gorge]

Forks aren’t much better, they interact with each line too

[full thunder]

yeah but providing you have to make a connection between 4 ways in the same area, there aren't that many "simple" choices left

[wind spade]

Yes, less throughput

[full thunder]

ok so the only good side of building a roundabout is the aesthetic i guess :p

[vapid gorge]

Yeah, cloverleaf take a bit of work

[wind spade]

Cloverleaf is like least efficient non-crossing junction 😛

[wind spade]

I guess... I never liked the aesthetics anyway (as you don't really see train/tram roundabouts irl)

[full thunder]

Fortunately my obsession for efficiency stops at my production lines and I can make some concessions for the railroad network 😁

[vapid gorge]

Which would you suggest?

[full thunder]

I took an extensive look as well at train networks in real life. There are so few "slopes"

[wind spade]

Turbine

[full thunder]

No such things as the "screw" lifts :p

[wind spade]

Yeah I don't like those either

[vapid gorge]

Real life tends to not have as much traffic at an intersection because they can time and signal trains so they don’t interact there. We can’t do that

[full thunder]

Actually I find that signals pushes you to reproduce how the train management is done in real life: fewer but bigger trains

[vapid gorge]

Turbine so big XD what sort of lift do you like?

[full thunder]

Which is a problem since you don't exactly have the room, most of the time, to build really big stations

[wind spade]

iirc it's smaller than cloverleaf

[vapid gorge]

Except real life they coordinate with trains on other lines

[vapid gorge]

Really? You could really compact a clover going over and under in the slip lanes

[wind spade]

Either ramp or transfer station eith conveyor lifts

[full thunder]

I do like the transfer stations, using one to transfer bauxite from a dedicated "aluminum" network to my main train network

[vapid gorge]

Ah huge ramps have too big an imprint on the skyline for me. And transfers make at least two more big ugly stations XD

[wind spade]

Another thing is - why do you even need to lift trains/items?

Except some very specific cases, you don't really need that at all

[vapid gorge]

I don’t need it much. Red forest baux is getting delivered at the edge of a cliff to the factory at the bottom and the bauxite in the swamp is close enough to the waterfall to have the station at top

But I’ll prob need to move some of the thousands of coal off the red forest though

[wind spade]

Spirals for me look terrible and also - you usually want to move the train up and across (which ramp does well), but spirals only move it up (and train goes slowly through them, both adding to travel time)

[vapid gorge]

Ah yeah I hate the aesthetics of a giant ramp. XD

Though my 1m rise spiral keeps pretty good momentum

[wind spade]

If you build the ramp nicely into terrain, it's great

[vapid gorge]

I suppose the compromise with jack knifing?

[wind spade]

Wdym?

[vapid gorge]

Oh I think I mean switch back, soz

Zig zagging back and forth hugging a cliff with ramps

[wind spade]

Yeah that has the same problem as spirals, takes you up but not across

[vapid gorge]

And most elevation me in the game are too steep for it

[wind spade]

You want train routes to be as fast as possible, which means shortest distance

[vapid gorge]

I’m prepared for slightly longer trips without massive bridges I guess XD

[wind spade]

whatever works for you, it's just less efficient and not realistic

[frosty owl]

Why spirals bad for you?
Unrealistic or something? ^^

[wind spade]

literally the message above 😛

[frosty owl]

Oh, I though there was visual preference too 😅

[wind spade]

gets you up but not across, train is slow in them, they are not very realistic and you don't usually need to move trains up anyway

[frosty owl]

Dunno about the latter... I found nice using one to get from the western bauxite nodes to the oil islands below, connecting the railway on sea-level with a branc coming from the railway in the red forest
Trying ti go for ramps would probably require as much or longer travel times there due to the topography

[wind spade]

that's why I suggested transfer stations

station on bottom, unload into conveyor lifts that take it up to upper station where different trains loads the cargo

much more cool, realistic-ish and fast 🙂

[frosty owl]

Gotcha... Makes sense, though it's not a solution I like

[wind spade]

yeah, again as I said - I'm just stating my own opinion and explaining the reasoning behind it. Not forcing anyone to do it (although I'll complain how I don't like spirals 😛 )

[frosty owl]

Ofc, ofc. I got to understand it too, which I appreciate 😁
I used to underestimate transfer stations

[edgy sand]

Why I cant open the map ?

[vapid gorge]

Did you do the research in the MAM to unlock it?

[edgy sand]

oh no

thx

Wow quartz

;c

[vapid gorge]

Oueh! Researche caterium aussi!

[edgy sand]

Pourquoi ?

[vapid gorge]

I'll yah beacoup the chose tres utiles 🙂 Des connection avec plusieres line pour l'ectricite

et je pense c'est caterium pour les bladerunner pour courrire plus vite

[edgy sand]

google traduction x) Ou tu es francais ?

[vapid gorge]

My famille vien de France et cetait my premiere langue mait ca fait ci longtemps que j'ecrit on Francais XD

[edgy sand]

ok ok x)

[vapid gorge]

Parler et lire - presque parfait mait pas ecrire XD

[vapid gorge]

Ok Moving nitrogen gas over long distance: I'm 90 F!@#$ gas per minute short on my location and probably need to bring in the 90 by drone. How annoying is it just bringing straight gas by drone?

wait.. do drone ports even have a fluid intake?

Fuck. Neds to be i ntanks

[oblique hollow]

tanks are super efficient

way better than trains or piping

the drone can take the packaged gas with it and empty tanks back again

[upbeat tide]

I can atest to gas piping being annoying. My non fissle plant pulls from two nitrogen wells on the west side of the map and its fully piped. Dem are long $&@$ pipelines 🙂

[wicked tinsel]

its super easy to do a packaging loop with drones or trains tho

[silver flint]

My game is crashing after I added some blueprints to look at. Isnt the game item count at like around 600k items or something?

[median heath]

Game doesn't have blueprints though.

So you added something the game doesn't have and you're surprised it crashed?

[silver flint]

Its downloads from the scim

[median heath]

Which is still adding things the game doesn't have. 🙃

[silver flint]

They are called blueprints but just use the interactive map to add the data since I was to look at things others have done for better designs.

[supple belfry]

Stop being fatuous.

Blueprints usually clarify if they have any mod dependencies, but most use vanilla parts. I’d comb over the blueprint page and make sure you didn’t miss anything.

[median heath]

I'm slimuous 😭

[wind spade]

I think the point is that it's still third-party app with no guarantees of working properly

[frosty owl]

@wintry aurora What do you want to get by balancing plutonium production? Just have little radiation or speed it up overall?

[wintry aurora]

Having minimal radiation would be good, but I was thinking maybe a balancer would spread out the uranium rods more evenly among the 30 reactors I'm planning to build and I was advised that a balancer would be good for nuclear production and would also balance the uranium waste to the four particle accelerators and the seven blenders closest to me. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=ixb3d1rnUkhrz4pQAWry (yea, I just fought a pair of spitters by a slug up here, setting up the gravity fed VIP valve up on the plateu).

[frosty owl]

Balancing definetly is key to low radiation, but the umber you're working with don't seem to make things easy... I'm looking at the 11 blenders 😅 😆

[wintry aurora]

Four of those aren't part of what I need to balance. Just the row of seven.

[frosty owl]

But yeah, overall I agree that it's worth balancing just the radioactive items if you want to reduce radiation. The rest of the items don't have very high stack sizes so manifolding shouldn't take too long (none if you prefeed ofc)

[wintry aurora]

Interestingly, I've found that 87.5 goes into a whole bunch of stuff in this. Just an observation.

[frosty owl]

Seven is a bit easier 😆
You know right? Split in 8, merge 1 back ^^

[wintry aurora]

It's still 11 total, the particle accelerators.

[frosty owl]

Wdym?

[wintry aurora]

I've found that some of the stuff in this fit into 87.5 underclock when I increase by a machine or two.

[frosty owl]

Oh, the particle accelerators are easy. Here's the complete idea I have in mind: merge all the waste, split in 1/4 for the PAs, 3/4 for the blenders; balance between the machines (4 PAs are trivial, the 1:7 split for the blenders is a bit more annoying)

[wintry aurora]

Just an interesting observation, nothing to do with the balancer question.

How do you split 1/4 and 3/4?

[frosty owl]

Split in 4, send 1 to the PAs, merge 3 to send to the blenders

[wintry aurora]

Oh

Ok, I'll try that then.

What about balancing for the 30 reactors, or don't bother?

[frosty owl]

I've had the pleasure of running a balanced plutonium facility, you can still find spots with no radiation between the machines (unless you cluster them) until you get to the actual rods production ^^

[wintry aurora]

I wonder how Taromani did theirs, haven't seen them around in a bit

Also, it's a waste recycling type.

[wind spade]

I'd just build one manufacturer for each two (or three) nuclear plants, instead of balancing stuff 🤷‍♂️

[frosty owl]

Eh... If you dislike balancing, that's a cumbersome one to make for 2 reasons: first it involves making two 1:5 splits and second balancing for generators involves very long belts
Still, I totally do it :P, but if you can't be bothered the rods stack in "just" 50s so if you have 1500 on hand you can prefeed all the gens ^^

[wind spade]

uranium fuel rod is produced at 0.4 or 0.6 rate, which fits nicely into 0.2 consumption rate

[wintry aurora]

I don't have 1500 on hand.

[wind spade]

you also don't have to pre-feed if you don't need all the power from start

it's very likely that you don't need it, so you're fine with it coming online over time

[thorn bane]

id recommend balancing the rods for 0 radiation

[frosty owl]

If you just let it naturally fill up, it can allow for your plutonium manifolds to fill on non-radioactive items...
Anyway, if you balance the waste, you don't need to care much about how efficiently your generators run, your plutonium plant will still process waste evenly without piling any up

[wintry aurora]

I can shut off some things if I need to, but I have room for some more active production:

[thorn bane]

you just need 1:5 splitter at the start
after thats its 1:6

[frosty owl]

Yeah, right 👍

Btw, I decided: I'm moving the PFR manufacturers outside the main building to minimize radiation. And I'll be sushing the plutonium cells too (previously they had dedicated lines)

[wintry aurora]

I am 'overproducing' plutonium rods by 50 as a failsafe buffer, so, I don't need to worry about that, and just about everything else has filled up already.

[frosty owl]

Then wether to balance the generators or not just comes down to how much effort you're willing to put for radiation-reduction ^^

[wind spade]

just put everything in top right left corner and radiation won't even reach you

[frosty owl]

Top right corner of what? My factory?
The radiation reaches all the way to the bottom floor

[wind spade]

sorry, top left (of the map)

[wintry aurora]

How do I do that exactly?

Whose map?

[thorn bane]

well that image is a 1/5 splitter
after that you just 1/6 split into the reactors

[wind spade]

satisfactory map

[frosty owl]

Sure. Spend hours to make an efficient factory only to hide it away in a shamefully hot radioactive sauna
No, I'll do it the hard way and make it both radiation-free (as much as possible) and pretty

[wintry aurora]

Anyway, the plutonium rod stuff is right here, and I'm thinking of putting the uranium stuff here-ish (second screenshot), or maybe I'll do a second floor.

[thorn bane]

with how complex plutonium is you can probably expect to visit that factory many times
so unless youre 100% sure you wont make any mistakes its probably best not to put it in nirvana

[wintry aurora]

me?

or was that at Greeny?

[thorn bane]

anyone

[frosty owl]

Ok

[wintry aurora]

Lol vencam

[wind spade]

well hypertube transport there is a must anyway and filters exist for a reason 🤷‍♂️

also use online tools to not make mistakes

[wintry aurora]

Where, my location?

[thorn bane]

online tool didnt prevent me forgetting to hook up the concrete resulting in waste everywhere xD

[wind spade]

bad tool then

[wintry aurora]

Concretes hooked up.

[frosty owl]

Uranium (all processing included) takes about 2x the space needed for plutonium btw
Just my estimate based on my floorsizes

[thorn bane]

wait what?

oh including previos steps?

[frosty owl]

ALL the processing

[thorn bane]

aah ok

[wintry aurora]

The floor below has all of the non-radioactive proccessing. ;)

It's also somewhat more spread out than my usually more compact sttuff.

[frosty owl]

I have them all on 3 floors, each of the same size and roughly all as filled with machines: 2 for uranium, one for plutonium

[thorn bane]

ye i have 4 rows for plutonium 2 rows for uranium
but thats without all the other stuff

[wintry aurora]

@thorn bane I tried to organized chaos it by doing a sort of conduit area.

[frosty owl]

That will make it MUCH EASIER when (if?) you'll clean up the beltwork

[wintry aurora]

I did attempt to bundle them in the first place.

[thorn bane]

i dont usually care about factory looks
but that thing?
It scares me

[wintry aurora]

MOST of it is because I put things on the opposite sides of where I actually ended up neeiding them.

[frosty owl]

I've had one factory described as "painfully clean" once ||okay, I'll stop bragging||

[upbeat tide]

Speaking of clean...

[pulsar idol]

Cleannn

[upbeat tide]

Those are all 600 a min belts too

[median heath]

They look like mk5's to me 😉

[upbeat tide]

They are but the process only makes 600 for each belt

[sinful knoll]

What's optimal engine to cart ratio

[stark bronze]

they said 1 to 4 but i say 1 to whatever you want

or 2 if you want two way

[marsh needle]

so I decided I want to try to build 4 manufacturers of HMF using the encased frame alternate recipe running at 100%

I have a bunch of resources nodes available to me, and it's looking like they might not be enough lmao

1380 screws a minute feels like a lot

960 steel beams too

ok I may have gotten my maths wrong, it's more like 150 beams, a manageable amount

I am gonna do all the maths myself and then check using the calculator once I'm done

[marsh needle]

oh ok alright, I just got the cast screw alt recipe, and now I have to redo my maths

actually maybe I jsut leave it idk, I have so macy screws to make

[upbeat tide]

@marsh needle find yourself the alt Stitched plate and steeled frame. Those combined elimate screws from the equation.

Or if you wanna use screws still find the “bolted” alts for both frames and reinforced plates.

And finally another alt for screws, steeled screws exists. Tbh thats the best mass screw production alt available.

All what casted screw do is remove the iron rod step. It uses the same amount of iron as normal, just one less step.

But one alt you really want no matter your choice for screws is the encased industrial beam alt that uses steel pipes instead of steel beams.

[marsh needle]

ahh, yeah I don't have all those alts

I'm using bolted frames

I could probably use steeled screws, I have a lot of coal to spare in this build

but I think it's complex enough to go as is

[oblique notch]

dont use the bolted plates. Its a trap. It makes more, but it takes even more screws than the original, and the same amount of plates. It is strictly worse UNLESS you primary concern is less machines. It comes out to be about 150ish mws cheaper for 60 RIP /minute than standard, overall i believe. And a smaller footprint.

But... it costs more screws.

Very very few people build with the idea of a smaller footprint or less machines, so its not a very useful alt. But if you are... then maybe. maybe.

[wintry aurora]

Sometimes I include it as a factor, just not usually the only factor.

[stuck iron]

I'm using bolted frames in my HMF factory :) for the exact reasons Lynkfox mention. (And I fully agree)

[oblique notch]

bolted frames is another trap, though with Cast Screws its not as bad 😛 -- but it is less than half the assemblers which, again, if its about space ...

But @stuck iron , we who go for aesthetically pleasing builds as well as efficiency are a weird breed.

[stuck iron]

I'd never use it again 😂 and I'm only producing 4 HMF/m and that still like 900 screws lulz

[oblique notch]

(Regular frames takes 12 rods a minute, bolted ends up taking 30 rods/ min - with standard reciipes - but again, far smaller footprint and power)

21 rods if you use steel

[stuck iron]

Oh I'm using bolted plates, same issue though.

[oblique notch]

lol. yah. same issue

[twin shore]

Hello all

[stuck iron]

It's also one of my oldest factories now

[twin shore]

Question for the experienced players (new to the game). I've made it to oil refinery but the scan shows im about 2500 meters from an oil node. Is there a faster or easier way to travel that far? Am I missing something or is it just a long ass walk

[stuck iron]

It is a long ass walk. Use Blade runners, and explorer.

[wicked tinsel]

mostly long ass walk

build rail line in future

[twin shore]

f*** I just spent all my tickets on cosmetics and didn't even see those

[oblique notch]

you'll get more 😉 Just sink everything your not storing

[stuck iron]

Blade runners and explorer are in the MAM not the awesome shop

[twin shore]

I've been sinking excess stuff from my old and very inefficient factory for 8 hours... Totally miss read the wiki thank you

[stuck iron]

Continue to sink for the tickets but also do the mam. You should be almost done the import bits by oil production

[twin shore]

I only have a couple things left for stage 3, definitely neglected the MAM so I could rebuild my factory

[cunning anchor]

Greetings, i got a question, don't know if that's a bug or i'm just missing something. i was expanding my coal generators, so i went in with overclocked mk II miner up to 270 units/sec, mk III conveyor belt all the way through from the source to the power station. i took splitters with mk I belts that go into the generator. now that 270 units/sec should be exactly enough for 18 generators, but now that i've got 16 the last three in the row run empty on coal. do the splitters slow down the mk III belt or something?

[stuck iron]

How long has it been running. The manifold takes a bit of time to fully saturate. Front machines get more coal first.

And no splitters don't slow down a belt but they do obviously divide the input amongst all the outputs. That is why the front machines fill up faster

It's also worth making sure you don't accidentally have a bit of mk1 belt on the main belt

[cunning anchor]

it's been running for more than half an hour, and i double-checked that there are no slower belts in the main line

also none of the generators is overclocked or something

could it be that there's a rest of a mk II belt "inside" of a splitter which somehow stayed when i upgraded it to mk III?

ah crap, it is! 😄 just deleted one of the splitters where somehow less coal was coming out and inside was still a part of mk II belt

gotta check all those splitters now. thank you very much

[pearl garden]

My oil setup seems to not be working.

[oblique hollow]

What part of it

[pearl garden]

I have 2 mk IIs on 2 pure crude oils, both with 250% overclock. That should be 600 x 2 crude oils. 20 refinery for each of them, 20 doing plastic 20 rubber.

That should in theory produce 600 heavy oil, which should, using 10 more refineries, produce 400 fuel

and that should take 34 fuel generators to process

i got plastic done, 10 heavy oil to fuel refineries done, and i'm barely fueling 4 fuel generators

half the part should be able to fuel 17 fuel generators

[oblique hollow]

If nothing is starving or backing up, simply wait longer

The heavy oil from plastic at best fuels 11 generators

[pearl garden]

oh right, that one produces only 200 heavy oil

[thorn bane]

make sure you have an overflow splitter to a sink for the plastic/rubber cause you wont make HOR if the refineries are full with plastic/rubber

[pearl garden]

that was my issue at first and got it done, tyvm

i'll wait

i was worried because halfway through my fuse broke and i had to build 40 biomass thingies :p

[oblique hollow]

Yea refineries chug power a lot

[drowsy gulch]

first time on this channel but

i wanna know how much iron and stuff i need for a computer?

with alternate recipes for circuit board and computer

[oblique hollow]

Best case? 0

[drowsy gulch]

what

[drowsy gulch]

what

[oblique hollow]

No iron needed for computers

With alts

[thorn bane]

for example making 60 computers/min using caterium circuit boards and caterium computer uses
440/min oil 580/min copper 580/min caterium

[drowsy gulch]

crystal oscillator

im using the 3 crystall oscillators and 8 circuit boards

[drowsy gulch]

i dont need any oil in what i thought

like im not using plastic or rubber

im using the recipes that dont use plastic or rubber

[oblique hollow]

Silica Circuit Board

[drowsy gulch]

yes

[oblique hollow]

Well go and look how much iron you need for those plates

[thorn bane]

so this?
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=QUUd0dZ15gPM3NlnOCGh

[oblique hollow]

Or use the better recipe that doesnt need iron for oscillators

[drowsy gulch]

and Crystal Computer alternate

[drowsy gulch]

no dont have that yet

but currently i am unlocking hard drives

[oblique hollow]

Just use that website and it tells you

[drowsy gulch]

so only 3 things

and im making a nice sushi for the computer production

@median heath

ill show you it later sevrahn

[median heath]

Sweet.

Unless it's Caterium Computers...

[drowsy gulch]

no its crystal

[median heath]

YES!!!

[drowsy gulch]

but why unless?

[median heath]

Because Crystal "better" 😉

[thorn bane]

*in his opinion

[drowsy gulch]

its cheaper thats why im using it

[thorn bane]

caterium is cheaper 🙂

[median heath]

I used quotes!!

[drowsy gulch]

well for crystal i have everything ready

thats why am rather making crystal

[drowsy gulch]

sevrahn is the type of guy that doesent care if hes randomly pinged

[median heath]

True. Mainly because I'll get to it when I get to it. Lol

[drowsy gulch]

k

[median heath]

Sometimes EU people ping me at like 0200 my time. 😂

[thorn bane]

🙂

[median heath]

So I'm not getting to that until like 5-6 hours later.

Wait how is Caterium Comp cheap @thorn bane ?

[thorn bane]

crystal computer costs 1354 weighted resources
caterium costs 1102

[drowsy gulch]

POV: im a eu guy

[drowsy gulch]

ok and im doing crystal

[median heath]

Oh. You're looking at total WP.
Bleh. Nvm.

[oblique hollow]

Sometimes US people ping me at half past opposite of high noon

[median heath]

Crystal is less oil, less copper, less caterium in trade for using quartz.
So meh.

[drowsy gulch]

k ill ping you at that time

[thorn bane]

meanwhile me from EU still being up at 6am

[drowsy gulch]

i find oil is PRETTY hard to get

[median heath]

How?

[drowsy gulch]

like its far away

[oblique hollow]

Lack of skill

[drowsy gulch]

nah just no time

[median heath]

Pipeline or package and ship.
EZ.

[drowsy gulch]

you know

[oblique hollow]

Just do the oil stuff over at oil. Have to at some point

[drowsy gulch]

before i made this map i would not transport fluid
but rather make plastic and rubber out of oil
and then transport it by belts

[oblique hollow]

Good idea

[drowsy gulch]

and i would transport coal to where water is

so i dont have to transport water but rather coal
to make coal gens

[median heath]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[thorn bane]

@median heath what circuit board recipe do you use?

[median heath]

Ct for CBs pretty much always.

Electrode in a pinch if I need like 10-20 more ppm and I don't have the Ct for it.

But never Electrode for mass production.

[thorn bane]

but silicon circuit boards are so good

[median heath]

Silicon is for HSCs (for me).

[thorn bane]

i guess you dont have quartz left cause you do crystal computer

[median heath]

And you're also missing that I use like 75% of the global quartz budget on Oscillators.

Indeed.

Remainder goes toward HSCs and Aluminium.

But it's fine because I am swimming in excess Ct.

[wintry aurora]

You use silica for aluminium?

[median heath]

Bauxite is my limiting resource.

So I have to squeeze as much out of it as I can.

@thorn bane remember I was looking for a spot to do like 600 Stators/min purely from QW Stator. Because I have that much excess Ct.

[stuck iron]

Do most people just use sloppy aluminum?

[thorn bane]

yes

[median heath]

Yes.

[thorn bane]

and pure

[median heath]

Aye.

[wintry aurora]

What aluminum recipe even uses quartz, I'm confused.

[thorn bane]

you trade 60 quartz for 28 bauxite
which is kinda meh but you gotta do what you gotta do

[wintry aurora]

Oh duh, I'd been using pure aluminum alt for so long.

[thorn bane]

yes most people do

i think im actually gonna do the opposite and use default alu solution for my next playthrough and use that silica for silicon circuit boards

50/min silica for free is pretty insane

[median heath]

Pure is simpler and I would use it if I wasn't trying to squeeze every last aluminium per bauxite out of the map.

[stuck iron]

My aluminum plant is using default. Battery factory is sloppy and pure

[vapid gorge]

It's solid! It does reduce max output of some late game stuff though. I think my prod line has allocated 9770 of the world's baux XD

[drowsy gulch]

way simpler
you dont have to mine quartz
you dont have to manufacture it
and you dont have to use a foundry, just a smelter

[vapid gorge]

You. You seem to know things about fluids. I'm considering bringing in crude by train to reduce large long buses. Are there tricks at either end to make sure fluid flows properly and doesn't stutter?

:p

[thorn bane]

sorry havent really done fluid trains yet
i always make the rubber/plastic on site or use a pipeline early on

[wintry aurora]

Uhhhh, balancer the uranium input, y/n? Then again it's probably fast enough to not even need a balancer.

[thorn bane]

i didnt balance it since uranium is pretty non radioactive

[wintry aurora]

Ok

[vapid gorge]

Ta anyway 🙂 I figured it would be a lot easier processing the oil in the desert rather on the northern coast and then shipping 3x the rubber

[burnt torrent]

Hey guys I need help with some calculus

I can find the differentiable equations just fine, but the problem is that the differentiated equations I get never hit 0 at any point, giving me no solutions

and I feel like that's not the right answer

[wintry aurora]

This isn’t the math homework help channel…..

[burnt torrent]

It's math and it's meta

[wintry aurora]

I don’t see the meta here.

If it were a factory related sort of question, maybe…..

[gray flower]

How many refinerys if i want to use the resin to make plastic or rubber from 1900 per minute

[wintry aurora]

You can use Greenys SatusfactoryTools.

[gray flower]

math math math

[wintry aurora]

Just plug in the numbers….

[gray flower]

i just need the linkk

[burnt torrent]

it's in the pins

[gray flower]

time to make my brain fry

[wintry aurora]

It’s not that complicated?

[gray flower]

i have to add numbers and do math which is going to take days

[wintry aurora]

No it isnt? You do you then and whatever.

[gray flower]

i will do everything math and way

[rare surge]

Since resin can be converted to either rubber or plastic, its up to you to figure out how much of each you want.

If you want roughly an even amount of each:

19 refineries for rubber
19 refineries for plastic

38 Refineries for Rubber & Plastic

[thorn bane]

or just sink it cause residual recipes suuuuuck

[gray flower]

how do they suck

[rare surge]

Meh, I don't mind them TBH. may aswell use the byproduct

[wintry aurora]

Fine for getting an initial supply of rubber and plastic up though.

[thorn bane]

uses alot of buildings
needs water

[rare surge]

leo is working on northern coast so water isn't much of a problem.

[wintry aurora]

I really only needed what, one of each to get an ISC full of each.

[gray flower]

spire coast btw

mk2 pipes and allll and all alts and blender and such

[thorn bane]

i also think keeping power and rubber/plastic separate is way nice for logistics when you upgrade your factor/get alts

[rare surge]

leothelion, either/or. "spire" is the name, "northern" is relative position

[wintry aurora]

Wasn’t intended to be permanent, just get a supply up.

[gray flower]

my bad then

so that thing u sent me sreject is it correct

[rare surge]

It really depends on late game plans imho.

I tend to remove gens and run rubber+fuel -> plastic loop. with that in mind, its not too much of an ask to have 39-40 refineries converting resin into side products in the mean time

[wind spade]

They are nice addition to make plastic/rubber production byproductless

[rare surge]

leo, to the best of my knowledge, yes

[gray flower]

ok

and i can set up a train for the plastic/rubber which i pick

[rare surge]

If you want half-and-half: 38 refiners(19 for plastic, 19 for rubber)

[gray flower]

i was thinking of doing that doing half and half and doing 4 freight cars for plastic 4 for rubber

but start doing materials later today i need to zzzz

[vapid gorge]

Learn very basic spread sheet use. It’ll do math for you and keep records

[frosty owl]

I balanced that as it's more radioactive than the uranium cells (balanced cells manifacturers barely make any radiation, unbalanced they radiate up to ~4 or 5 foundations away

[frosty owl]

What's this cursed mix of inches and meters?!

[wintry aurora]

Zyranex said that they didn’t as it’s barely radioactive?

[supple belfry]

What’s the word on the ideal power plant setup, pre-nuclear? I’ve settled on tying up one of my sulfur nodes. Currently making Turbofuel, which was the only alt I had at the time. What’s the ideal setup to transition to?

[oblique notch]

depends a lot on your needs elsewhere. Turbofuel can give you the most power per m3 pre nuclear, but it uses sulfur whoch yu msy need else where. but if you arent utilizing 100% of a resource... whateever floats your boat

[oblique hollow]

Gonna drop this here for #satisfactory reference real quick 👀

Also math n meta i guess

(and before anyone asks, yes 6 is more than 600 but thats to compensate the load bug)

[drowsy gulch]

8k quality

[oblique hollow]

I am McPaintPro after all

[wintry aurora]

Where were ya when I asked about extractors, lol. Maybe I should redesign my pipe conduit…. I have room for maybe 10 more extractors, so, I’ll see what I can do.

[drowsy gulch]

Put as many extractors as your sea fits

🔫

[wintry aurora]

I’m in the lake south of NF.

I can use water from the plateu if neccesary though.

[drowsy gulch]

put. as. many. you. can.

[wintry aurora]

I KNAOW

Lol

[drowsy gulch]

good

Suck up the worlds water resource

[wintry aurora]

I already have 75 crammed into that lake, pretty sure it would get completely drained in seconds otherwise.

[drowsy gulch]

MAKE MORE

[oblique hollow]

Hey, i have other things to do too ya know 😆

[frosty owl]

Which is why I added my opinion, since it differs ^^
Wether it's "very radioactive" or not, depends on your preferences, but it IS more radioactive than the uranium cells, so if you balance the cells it makes sense to also balance the uranium imo

[wintry aurora]

Well, I am doing the uranium cells direct input to the rod makers, so, yea it would make more sense.

[frosty owl]

1:1, best balancing ever

[wintry aurora]

Would doing a balancer this way be fine or should I make it more symmetrical? Just not sure how critical being symmetrical is for balancers.

[frosty owl]

The shape of the belts doesn't impact the performance of a similar balancer 👍
Making them more simmetrical only means the machines will start at the same time rather than from the ones served by the shortest belt segments

[wintry aurora]

Okay, symmetry isn't that critical then.

[median heath]

Blasphemy.

Symmetry is very, very critical.

[supple belfry]

This isn't #design-and-architecture!

[frosty owl]

A new joke enters the arena

[broken cave]

Anybody got a calculator to do the math of 1755 a min of iron ingots in 3 different belts to process them into modular frame and reinforced iron plate?

[wicked tinsel]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

[analog loom]

so somebody check my math, 720 oil = 480 fuel/min and water + 360 poly/min = ~72 each plastic and rubber/min

[fierce ruin]

hey i need some help getting a 100p/m copper line divided into 5 lines of 20 each but i cant get it if someone could help me it would be very much appreciated

[versed violet]

are member of Church of Even Split, or possible convert to sect of Manifold?

[wind spade]

how to confuse the person asking in one easy step

[wind spade]

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |
  X  X  X  X  X

[median heath]

^

[upper escarp]

I need to split 300 into 180 and 120

[median heath]

Single splitter.

[upper escarp]

???

[median heath]

Single. Splitter.

150 will go both ways until the 120 line is full, then you have your 180/120 from that point forward.

@upper escarp make sense?

[upper escarp]

Yep, I'll use that. Thanks

[median heath]

Simpler method that specifically applies to this:

You need 120. Mk2 belts are...? 😉
Put a mk2 on that output and whatever you want on the other.

[upper escarp]

You know what I lied.

Still don't exactly understand

[median heath]

One side needs 120, you have 300, yes?

[upper escarp]

Ohhhhh. So we'd clog it until it worked

[median heath]

Yes. Welcome to manifolds.

[upper escarp]

Thanks!

[median heath]

Stop trying to priority everything and remember you have INFINITE RESOURCES.

[primal bone]

bro this is amazing thanks for the help

[fierce ruin]

well i was looking for a perfect split but i guess manifold works too

[supple belfry]

But…why?

[oblique notch]

Because some like the challenge

[supple belfry]

I hear one can beat the game with just one node of each resource, too.

[oblique notch]

Sure if you want to take that time. You very much can. It's a sandbox. And it's mp is small limited coop. People can play however they want, even if you don't get it

[magic shadow]

it would help if you make the 120 line out of mk2 belts, then it can't go higher and the 180 line takes the excess

[median heath]

I did cover that...

Like in the message immediately before the one you tagged 😭

[magic shadow]

🙈

[wintry aurora]

Balancers ready, now time to turn this plant on.

May need to go grab some overclocks though.

edit: yea.

[late pecan]

In the calculators, am I missing an option to work backwards instead of forwards? Like, "okay, you have 1440 iron ore coming in and you want reinforced plates and modular frames, with these alt recipes available? Here's the list of stuff to build"

[stuck iron]

Wouldn't that be working forwards starting from the inputs? With SF tools you can define your inputs, select your alts and then "maximize" the production.

For the raw resources you need to tune the limits. It defaults to what is available in the world

[late pecan]

I suppose forwards makes more sense. 😛 I will have to look for this maximize button!

Ah, I found it. Sneaky location.

This is exactly it, though. Thanks!

will any save editors tell me what alt recipies I have unlocked on a particular world?

[stuck iron]

SCIM should have that information

[late pecan]

It dims the icons for the HDDs I have collected. I haven't seen a list of alts though.

[wintry aurora]

I dunno if this is a questions or help question or a maths and meta question, but, should a properly balanced uranium waste processing area be this hot?

It doesn't appear to be growing though, which is good.

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... is this good?????

Actually, this could be why, the particle accelerators haven't filled up properly yet.

Did I do the balancers correctly? Went for the non botteneck version of the 1 to 7, not that it mattered here....

O-kay, getting concerned here.....

[wind spade]

seems like it won't matter too much anyway, as you don't have stuff around

[wintry aurora]

???

[wind spade]

where's your silica? 🤔

[wintry aurora]

facepalm I forgot to even hook up the silica.

[stuck iron]

Totally something I would do

[vapid gorge]

I very much enjoyed the slide show of 'ohh nnoOOOOOOooo' there. Tyvm

[thorn bane]

i feel you
was concrete for me 🙂

i actually only noticed it because of the power storage notification since all my generators shut down xD

[wintry aurora]

Yea, I was wondering why the particle accelerators weren't doing anything.

[sand epoch]

It's in the player options

[summer fox]

i`m making aluminium scrap using the sloppy recipe using 8 refineries(need 200pm water each so 1600 total) if i recycle the water from the basic scrap which provides 120pm (960 in total) do i only need the difference (640pm) in pumps to close the cycle and not over produce water which would clog everything up?

[sand epoch]

No, it will eventuall stall out. Fluid bugs

Either try a vip, do a large 1-1 system.. or sink it

[wind spade]

it won't, but it also won't run at 100%

[sand epoch]

My last build said otherwise.. but ok

[wind spade]

if there's input of fresh water, it'll at least run at the speed of given fresh water input

[summer fox]

i thought it wouldnt run at 100% at start but will eventually as the pump makes more water

because as it works the scrap water would start producing and thus get more water in system enough for it to work at 100%

[wind spade]

depends a lot on how you build and connect it

[summer fox]

i have the refineries connected 1:1 for scrap and then i would likely connect the scrap water back to the sloppy refineries

but the problem i have is there no way to start the production without pumps which would then over produce water, so i would need to start the production and then turn off pumps when i`m producing enough scrap water wouldnt it?

[soft scarab]

No if you start off just producing the final amount you need it’ll fill up

[fierce ruin]

because i was afraid that a manifold wouldnt work (it didnt work) now i had to fully power shard my mk2 miner and upgrade the conveyor belts for it to work

[frosty owl]

Alright, since it's the second time I see this I'll address it (@median heath)
Pushing 300/min in a splitter and outputting on a mk2 and MK3 does NOT result in a 120-180 split from the start. It will eventually get there, but from the beginning it'll split for <120 and >180
Slight differences, but the point is that that's still a manifold, it's not magically a balancer thanks to that MK2 belt ^^ (unless you smart split)

[frosty owl]

No, and answering your following questions in order... ^^
-No, it's not good, the waste belts should be running smoothly and NEVER back up (radioactive items are the only one that shouldn't back up given how you set things up)
-I'm... Not sure if you have done the balancer correctly. A picture with a couple notes could help 😅
And I'm glad you found the mistake easily :)
Now have fun "unwasting" your factory

[heady scarab]

orange is a merger and black are spliters...

comes out to 5 lines output

[fierce ruin]

oooo

thx

[heady scarab]

altough it would be more convenient that the input belt isn't completly full so the rest can get back in the loop

but it'll also work with a full one just less perfect

@fierce ruin

[fierce ruin]

k

[median heath]

Splits evenly if you use a smart 😉

[frosty owl]

That's what I said at the end of the message, but there was no suggestion about smart splitters before (not that I've seen)

[median heath]

Only splitter I use anymore. 😉

Normal splitters are for peasants.

[frosty owl]

That might cost you FPS when your base grows though

[median heath]

I have a base?

[stuck iron]

You have no factories? Or just being obtuse.....

[median heath]

Base is a singular term?

Outposting would mean I do not have a base, as everything is decentralized.

[stuck iron]

You have many bases but I am not getting into a semantics argument. #outposts-4-life.

[median heath]

Fair.

[supple belfry]

Did you “seed” the machines along both sides? If you’re waiting for machines to get to 100% efficiency on a manifold when you’re using all of the belt’s contents, it’s going to take a very long time.

This would be true regardless of your belt setup.

[wind spade]

it’s going to take a very long time.
that depends a lot on the manifold setup. Some manifolds fill in a few minutes

[wicked tinsel]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/60518819aa0ba107e32511e3 upvote if you dont want manifolds to sux

[wintry aurora]

I've turned off the miner so that things can kind of reset. Also had a few other issues, both related to a missing pipe section.

Anyways: Here's the balancer that I tried to do. Probably didn't need all the arrows on the second one, though it's blocked by my hand a little.

Edit: Arrow to merger in the first one is wrong direction, whoops.

Anyways, I did as you had said, do a 1:4. merge three to the blenders and send the rest to the accelerators.

[frosty owl]

It seems fine ^^

[frosty owl]

Btw, you could take away the splitter at the very top in the 1:4 balancer 😉

[wintry aurora]

Technicaly, yea.

#old-questions-and-help message Should I move the uranium waste processing stuff upwards? I kind of feel like I made a mistake putting it there.

[frosty owl]

@proven prawn @thorn bane My plans for plutonium. 6 manifacturers at 120% to process all my cells. The input comes with the fuel rods for the powerplant (split off at B)
A and B are sushi-balancers so that the items get distributed as shown. I'm overproducing Electromagnetic Control Rods, so they have their own input belts in the manufacturers for overflow management

[wintry aurora]

Also, the non fissile uranium was backing up in the blenders, not sure that's supposed to happen.

[frosty owl]

The layout when complete

[frosty owl]

The uranium waste shouldn't back up at all. You should troubleshoot all the following production chain to see what's halting things.
Since the non-fissile backed up too, I'm guessing the particle accelerators were backing up with full output too (since they should have plenty of waste), meaning you either lacked concrete for the cells or materials for the rods

[wintry aurora]

The outputs aren't backed up though.

[frosty owl]

So the accelerators have no waste?

[wintry aurora]

and I looked, I wasn't lackking in materials I don't think, though maybe I should observe longer.

The acceleratirs have waste, yes.

Though they're gonna run out soon I think.

[frosty owl]

The only way non-fissile can back up is if the accelerators lag behind for whatever reason

[wintry aurora]

Wellll, based on this: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=idnAEkYFuYxk8FicDkFk I set the accelerators to 87.5 each: Maybe I did the math wrong?

Oh what, one of them is backed up?

Because I forgot to do outlet

[frosty owl]

There you have it ^^

[wintry aurora]

That very well could be it, yea.

[frosty owl]

Seems to me like you should be more through in your "bug hunting" 😆
Remember to check the in-out of EACH machine to see where the pile up happen. Don't stop halfway because you notice one error, continue until you find them all, THEN make sense of them and fix

[thorn bane]

underclocking

[wintry aurora]

Anyways, should I move the plutonium stuff up or should it be just fine?

I asked in questions and help as well.

[frosty owl]

Why do you need to put it higher?

[wintry aurora]

Not sure how big the radiation zone would be when working normally.

[wintry aurora]

Probably should, yea.

[frosty owl]

6 rods manufacturers alone radiate in a radius of ~40m

Everything else radiates so much less you can pretty much ignore it in comparison.
Assuming everything is balanced right, ofc

[wintry aurora]

I'll get a better sense of where the rad zone is when it's working properly.

I need more ladders and shit around here, lol.

[wintry aurora]

Moved things up a floor and moved the plutonium rod stuff further up as that's the particularily nasty stuff, also made some additional balancers to mitigate the radiation further. Gonna turn this thing back on now.

[frosty owl]

I appreciate the improvements in cleanliness

[stuck iron]

I thought @wintry aurora didn't like straight lines :)

[wintry aurora]

lolwut at you boris.

[hazy hare]

whats a simple efficient layout for coal power plants

[little aurora]

8 coal generator, 3 water extractor

[fierce ruin]

or you could also do 4 water extractors producing 90 water per minute on 75% because the the math is easier

2 water extractors for 4 coal powerplants and 2 for the other four

it does cost more materials tho

[full sparrow]

WHat about 100prcnt

how much then

[short holly]

8/3 is easiest. just make sure to plug the water into each end

[eternal portal]

could someone verify if my math checks out?

[fierce ruin]

I think that should be right

[oblique hollow]

minor spelling mistake
Sev: P E R I S H

[median heath]

🙃

[eternal portal]

Thanks for the correction 😋

[vapid gorge]

And now for the first time I have to break out of arithmatic and into algebra sort out resources based on mixed recipes XD

[eager scroll]

So I'm doing my first fuel power plant. I'm doing 2x pure at 250% for 1200 crude which will become 800 fuel.

800 fuel needs 66 power plants at 100% and one at 66.66666666%

Since I can't put an infinite "0.6666" will this result in my power system randomly failing at some point? Will it over or under produce?

Should I set it at 66.66665 and have a storage that I occasionally flush, or 66.66667 and add a couple of batteries?

Is this such a small fraction of production that it will never actually create a problem with flow?

[wind spade]

since it's power plant, 66.6666% doesn't mean 66.6666% effectivity, so you have to calculate that first

[eager scroll]

I thought the generators always output clock speed power regardless of consumption?

[wind spade]

no

[eager scroll]

What

[wind spade]

250% gen outputs 202% of power

[eager scroll]

The gens will be 100% except for one

[wind spade]

yeah just saying that clock speed isn't equal to % of power produced

[eager scroll]

But I think I get you.

8 fuel overflow

Thanks!

[wind spade]

last gen needs 59.0312% clock speed

[eager scroll]

Same problem though it looks like

[wind spade]

or just 59% and have it overflow a bit (which doesn't hurt at all and actually helps with solving the fluid load loss bug)

(heck even 50% is fine)

[eager scroll]

For 8 fuel consumption I need to be producing 99.999999999 MW from the underclocked generator

[wind spade]

which you do by setting it to 59.0312% clock speed 🙂

[vapid gorge]

Just put a small buffer at the end of the fiddly numbered one. The very rare back up stutter will be compensated by the buffer

[eager scroll]

I'll try it thanks greeny. I'm unfamiliar with the fluid load loss bug, really I'm just trying to set it up so that I don't encounter a problem when I travel far across the map to build stuff using the new power plant

[wind spade]

fluid loss bug: every time you load the game, every machine with fluid input/output loses 5m3 of that fluid

so for fluids you always want to have slight overproduction to account for this

[eager scroll]

Oh ok. I guess the buffer would assist with that if I keep it at the same altitude as my fuel output

[wind spade]

buffer won't help much without overproduction

and won't make a difference with overproduction

so it's essentially useless (in most cases)

[vapid gorge]

Yeah, not sure what I’m going to with my bauxite. I’m running way too close to the wire with what I need

[eager scroll]

Haha the reason I am setting up more power.. so I can tackle that headache

[vapid gorge]

Oh I have plenty of power. My production plan uses 9777.5 out of world supply 9780.
Losing 5m3 from each refinery in fluid is a bit harsh

Same with the oil to hor to coke for it. So many steps with loss

[eager scroll]

I'm not even close to figuring out world map production. I have never messed with bauxite and just unlocked the tree for it yesterday. ~2000MW used of my available ~3000MW so I am adding to power first

[vapid gorge]

WELL if you just unlocked it and want to do fuel might I make a small recommendation?

[eager scroll]

Sure

[vapid gorge]

If you just squeak by to unlock blenders with alum, then go hunting for the Heavy Oil Residue alt and the blended diluted fuel alt you can squeeze way more GW out of your crude supply which will last you a lot longer. And it’ll save you maybe from rebuilding it or making a second

[eager scroll]

Oh yeah I saw the blenders, haven't placed one yet though

Wow there's really a chain for residue that outperforms direct conversion?

[vapid gorge]

HOR to blended diluted fuel is great. If you’re trying to really squeeze all the oil for what it’s worth no matter what you’re making you end up turning all oil into HOR then diluted fuel XD

[vapid gorge]

Insane performance. Oil to rubber/plastic at base is like 3 to 2 , with HOR and dilute fuel it’s 1 to 3

[eager scroll]

Wow that sounds like another case of steel alt recipe. Too good to pass up

[vapid gorge]

It’s a lot more work involved mind you. Like a lot a lot.
The process basically makes you use fuel and rubber to make 2x the plastic, then you use plastic and fuel to make 2x rubber

[eager scroll]

I'll probably finish what I have started for 10,000MW, then look at that once I get the recipe unlocked. I was thinking that 10,000MW would hopefully grant me entry to nuclear

I also want to look at what the power cost difference would be. Right now I'm just planning to make fuel and pump the byproduct into a sink

[vapid gorge]

Depending how you do it yeah. If you find it’s not enough GW make a larger power back up station of like 50gw that’ll charge over time. Those are always good to kick start power stations.

[eager scroll]

If I have to set up 2 more layers of production I feel like that would possibly cut into the gains

[vapid gorge]

The % that goes into maintenance may go up and down but the overall performance will extract more mwh out of the units of crude

[eager scroll]

I ended up skipping compacted coal because it seemed like the extra power demand of manufacturing the compacted coal cut into the end power output

[vapid gorge]

Compacted coal isn’t really great you’re right.
But if you want numbers. Straight oil to fuel is 6 to 4
Oil to hor to blended dilute is 6 to 16 fuel I think

[vapid gorge]

So you’ll get 4x the generators fueled

[thorn bane]

the fluid loss is realy only an issue with TF since that is produced in so low quantities
if its 4.5m³ per min you lose 1 min of power
but if its 120m³ alumina solution then it takes 4s after a load to recover

thats the reason nobody is complaining about the fluid loss bug with coal power

[vapid gorge]

You don’t think that’ll cause issues with stuttering alum products if I’m consuming it all?

[thorn bane]

yes for the first 4 seconds of loading your save after that not anymore

[vapid gorge]

Hmm ok. Will the eventual saving and loading eventually cause a system stutter do you think? I’m oversupplying my plutonium processing a touch anyway …

[thorn bane]

well youre just at 80% efficiency after a load but it will always go up to 100% after time
the issue is just that with generators you might break your fuse during that

not 80% btw idk havent done the math

[vapid gorge]

I’ve got a few tf fluid buffers that can scim full occasionally. I’ve had the system running stable over 24 hours so I know w/o the loss bug it should be safe

[vapid gorge]

So out of curiosity, how do people who sushi belt deal with the fluid loss? Isn’t any interruption going to royally screw it?

Do they keep parts involving fluid sectionals seperate, oversupply , then restrict flow from a part buffer?

[thorn bane]

@frosty owl
idk for my method (balance merging) you overflow all the items anyway so you have a buffers to catch that

[vapid gorge]

@frosty owl doesn’t like to overflow I think. He’s extra mad XD

[river coral]

Efficiency wise is Instant Scrap or Electrode Aluminum Scrap better?

[vapid gorge]

Electrode

[wind spade]

which efficiency? power? resources? space? complexity?

[river coral]

Resources!

[thorn bane]

sloppy+electrode has the same bauxite to scrap ratio as instant but doesnt use sulfur

[wind spade]

then yeah, electrode (assuming weighted resources)

[vapid gorge]

Not many times you’ll want instant.

Electrode is easier to logistical and turn to coke on site instead of thousands of coal and you can organise it so the 2 refinery steps are directly in front of each other instead of one blender

[river coral]

Ah alright! Thank you!

[river coral]

Oooh cool! Thank you so much!

[vapid gorge]

Oh , you should really hunt the crude to hor recipe though for it. You’ll need a lot less crude that way with less waste

Damn. HOR alt is such a linchpin recipe

[eager scroll]

Fuel system needs battery backup, got it thanks

I guess it might be a good idea to insulate factories with power switches going forward as well if I want a reasonable battery backup

[thorn bane]

just overproduce by 1% and you never have issues

[frosty owl]

I overflow on every fluid and manage the overflow for everything but water ^^

[vapid gorge]

Yeah so oversupply items with fluid involved in the process

[eager scroll]

Well the 2400 MW coal factory got me to the last tier on elevator. I saturated that when I first built it and I've never had a problem or blip in the line

[vapid gorge]

Oh I always keep a Power back up of 150% mw needed for all the processes needd to maintain the power plant kept on a seperate grid.

[eager scroll]

It's operated on small isolated networks, 1 underclocked water pump to 2 coal burners

[frosty owl]

Eg: in my plutonium processing, I oversupply nitric acid, sulfuric acid, HOR, fuel and alumina sokution and manage that overflow so all machines' output buffers are empty
(oil and nitrogen overflow are managed "from source")

[eager scroll]

To be honest

I have a small backup already

I have 3 geothermal set up

[vapid gorge]

Yeah I was worried about my Al refineries not having continuous supply to things like casses and sheeting which may have a knock on effect

[vapid gorge]

Geothermal is how I booted up my 150GW power station. Set up like a 16gw backup, let it slowlly charge while building everything, then kicked it into gear

[eager scroll]

1x pure, 1x normal, 1x impure.

4 batteries, 2 batteries, 1 battery

So I have 700MW backup?

[vapid gorge]

If all those are on a seperate grid you'll have 700+ avg output of your geothermal = back up

[eager scroll]

They are there to make sure I can always consider geothermal as max output under normal circumstances

[vapid gorge]

Yeah that's how people usually use them. For me they're too small to make a significant difference so they are just there to slowly recharge my back up 🙂

[eager scroll]

I know of 4 or 5 more spots I could build them and I do have like half a crate of supercomputers

[vapid gorge]

'free' power is free power shrug

[thorn bane]

time isnt free 🙂

[eager scroll]

I think most are normal so it would be a good idea to go occupy them for my backup system

[vapid gorge]

Ehhh when you can plop them down from spare parts going on in the background and comparatively no infrastructure... it's pretty free

[eager scroll]

Yeah I could just be sloppy with the power lines and road over to them later. I have them beaconed from prior exploration

[vapid gorge]

It's not a terrible idea to keep your Power Providing grid to your Power Consuming grid linked with 1 connection you can switch off when you need to

And keep youwer Power Providing Power Back up grid connected by one line to it yo ucan switch off XD

[eager scroll]

Yeah luckily it's already pretty isolated with 1 power line connection to the main grid from each power area. Clip that, link power together, add switch

[median heath]

Or just have your main grid built right so you don't need a backup one 😉

[vapid gorge]

What if a meteor strike breaks a connectoin? Storm knocks a tree down on critical equipment. Always have back up 😛

[median heath]

None of those things are possible in this game.

[thorn bane]

yet

[eager scroll]

Geothermal will be backup for coal power plant. Coal power plant will be backup for fuel power plant

[vapid gorge]

How dare you not take electrical faults seriously.

[median heath]

If they randomly decide to break their current trend and add those mechanics, sure.
But I doubt it.

[vapid gorge]

With a big Power Back up you can demolish the coal. 1 Geothermal station will eventually give you 100GWH power back up

[eager scroll]

I want to upgrade coal as soon as I get better mk gear

[vapid gorge]

Nah I just like making things sensible with a touch of reaslism. Power stations have failsafes and back ups.

Plus if you want ot go game realism next update might mess up current power plants like rail was. Nice to have a step by step restart

[median heath]

Shouldn't you want to just move on to Fuel?

[eager scroll]

Upgraded coal will be backup system for upgraded fuel

[median heath]

? Unless they add something that punishes you for making too much MW I will never need a backup.
And them adding such a mechanic is highly unlikely.

[vapid gorge]

No I mean if recipes or processes change. Probably not but never know.

But also. Power stations should have safety features

[vapid gorge]

A 750m train for 1400 pm probably pretty bad right?

[median heath]

Truck.

[vapid gorge]

SE section of the redforrest. Terrain is not great

I want to avoid belt buses for raw material but might need to on this one

[median heath]

Explorer.

Explorers love "not great" terrain.

[wind spade]

drone

[vapid gorge]

I do have excess local coal to fuel it. I'll give it a shot.

drone for 750m??

[median heath]

^

[wind spade]

belt, train, truck, drone, whatever you like. belts are superior for power and resource cost, everything else is a question of "do I mind setting this up" and "will it look cool"

[vernal patio]

the game does lack a good logistic system for distances of about 1km. like, it's too far for a belt, too close for a train, let alone drones. and trucks suck ass in general.

[vapid gorge]

I need a train rail in that general area ANYWAY... I could make it just slightly longer and hit it. But such a short train line feels odd

[wind spade]

it's not "too close" for anything 🤷‍♂️

train for 200m is perfectly viable option

[vapid gorge]

Just thinking about a train ping ponging a single 200m rail now XD

[median heath]

Trucks are fine.
99% of truck issues are user error.

[thorn bane]

🙂

[vernal patio]

good lord.

[vapid gorge]

... what does it do?

[thorn bane]

its a station for every item so for example the first is iron ore that then ships to the second which is iron plates

[vapid gorge]

And are they at least on dif levls so they aren't all intersecting lines?

[thorn bane]

but tbf that was before train collision

[vernal patio]

yeah, i was about to ask where are the signals.

[vapid gorge]

as in central logistic processing wher eyou brought things in and then out?

[thorn bane]

#screenshots message
as in that is my (mega) base

[vapid gorge]

thanks, I hate it XD

Nah I just don't like building floaty things

Its interesting though. Was all processing for everything set up there?

[thorn bane]

yep every item has a dedicated train station

it actually made the logistics super easy

if you make a new item you just add a station for what items you want, connect it to a manifold and youre done

it kinda destroyed my fps though but not sure if U5 improved trains

[oblique hollow]

For 750 m its a definite "trucks"

[balmy burrow]

If I'm in a vehicle, do I still gain the effects of the gas filters?

[oblique hollow]

No

Neither from a Hazard Suit

Equipment doesnt work in vehicles, unfortunately

[vapid gorge]

I may just belt it under the train line honestly

[still trout]

i think i once dragged a mk5 conveyor 1500m

i dont like using resources on drones or trucks or even trains, for me it feels like a waste

at least for pernament designs, where i built a big factory i had set up a drone from main base so while im there i can fill the drone storage box with stuff and it gets sent over time to the build site

[frosty owl]

Aaand it's on @thorn bane @proven prawn https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/sdra55/a_clean_sushibalanced_plutonium_rods_production/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[stuck iron]

Yoooo that's sick. How long until it jams up 😉 (jk I remember you mentioned some lights turned yellow when you went to record it the other day)

[frosty owl]

Yeah, unfortunately the yellow lights take a while to be taken out completely, unless one prefeeds some of the machines... ^^
Game irregularities and whatnot make it so that balanced machines take a while before they finally stop getting items just a moment too late (due to them taking a fraction of a second too long on a belt or whatnot)

[frosty owl]

Ok, it's official... plutonium cells' radiation levels are bullshit
This is the radiation levels in a BALANCED setup (ignore the big radiation bubble in the bottom, just a temp. nuclear fuel storage/powerplant). You can't even see the radiation in most of the processing unless you really zoom in... until you get to the plutonium rods (which stack up to 60 plutonium cells even if balanced)
@wintry aurora @thorn bane @vapid gorge

[median heath]

Isn't this good bullshit though?

[wicked tinsel]

No

[frosty owl]

Eh... I don't mind there being some radiation, but that amount for the rods manufacturing is just mindboggling. A single manufacturer radiates about as much (if not worse) than the drone bringing in uranium (which stacks up to ~600 uranium ore at once)

[faint ember]

Reprocessed nuclear fuel would be about as radioactive as spent fuel, I think. Although I know that realism isn't really the most compelling argument.

I was not ready for that either and did not arrange my fuel reprocessing facility accordingly.

[frosty owl]

The particle accelerators stack up to ~45 uranium waste, and yet you don't even see their radiation bubble 🤷‍♂️

[faint ember]

Otherwise I would have routed the rod production very, very far away

[frosty owl]

The difference is just too big

[frosty owl]

As I did 😉

[wintry aurora]

Stacks up to 60 actually at the end of the cycle, but even then, you don’t feel it when over an isolated accelerator.

[stuck iron]

@frosty owl how many nuclear power plants in your setup?

[frosty owl]

9*4, 100%

[frosty owl]

(Each cycle requires just 25, so 50 would be the minimum, just checked. Still, irrelevant to the point)

[wintry aurora]

Anyways, I thought the rods were being the really nasty stuff.

[wicked tinsel]

not really

you get 1 rod for 20 cells, but they have same radiation level

so rods are 20 times less radioactive in practice

[frosty owl]

The rods themselves aren't much worse than the plutonium cells... Which means that stacking 60 plutonium cells isn't too different from stacking 60 plutonium rods
(Edit: they're the same 🤦‍♂️)

[wicked tinsel]

imho, this is just a typo they still hadnt fixed

[frosty owl]

Bruh
I stand by my opinion: this part of the radiation balancing is bull. @ snutt REEEE

[median heath]

[wicked tinsel]

it would be okey-ish if cells followed rods ratio

but you need 20~30 more of them

imho, whole radiation mechanic is anti-fun bullshit, but if they absolutely want to keep it then at least balanced factories should be safe to walk around

[frosty owl]

I feel like it's ok how many are needed per rod, but I'd appreciate it if they were below 80 radiation

[frosty owl]

I don't even know how you can make that argument after seeing an entire nuclear factory basically radiation-free except for the infamous rods processing 🤔

[wicked tinsel]

you would be rewarded for good design that way

[wintry aurora]

Anyways, same here, you can't really see the radiation until the final stage area. It's kind of blobbier due to the proximity of stuff and possibly the balancers up top. The blender with the low radiation just got caught at the end of it's production cycle, I checked.

I had actually thought of moving the plutonium rods production over onto the plateu a bit, but didn't for whatever reason.

[wicked tinsel]

clearly this doesnt apply to the plutonium rods, but i guess i will give them benefit of doubt and assume its due to typo

[frosty owl]

Clearly, your argument only applies to the last stage of the entire process 🤷‍♂️

[proven prawn]

Your enjoying the fact that once you get to plutonium cells that radiation levels quickly escalate out of control, its a pretty nice feature

[wintry aurora]

That's more of a plutonium waste feature I think.

[proven prawn]

It's a feature of the recipes because manufacturing won't start until a stack of 30 cells are inside the machine, meaning its impossible to reduce the radiation further lower than this point, and then you start to make rows of these machines all with at least 30 cells each inside it and it becomes pretty easy to see the radiation levels aren't exactly possible to keep in check.

[frosty owl]

Tbf, waste isn't all that radioactive ^^
(20 Vs 50 for fuel rods)

[median heath]

ADA: FICSIT DOES NOT WASTE
Pioneer, holding up Plutonium Waste: THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL THIS STUFF BITCH?
ADA: H A R V E S T

[frosty owl]

The 30 stack (that becomes 60 by the end of the production cycle) isn't an issue on its own, imo
The issue is that the cells are as radioactive as plutonium FUEL RODS, meaning the radiation is equal to stacking 60 fuel rods in each manufacturer

[wintry aurora]

Trying to find a clearer graph......

[frosty owl]

And fuel rods dontyeven stack to 60

[wintry aurora]

Dang transparency.

[proven prawn]

Yeah I don't understand that either why the cells have to be so awfully radioactive, my guess is the devs want us to suffer with radiation once we get to waste processing

[wintry aurora]

Okay, it didn't see that one as an image link,

[zinc basin]

Will this design eventually balance out and send right amount of resources down each of 4 lanes ? (Red and blue both need 600 ore/min, orange needs 750/min and green needs 250/min)

[wintry aurora]

https:// metadata.berkeley .edu/nuclear-forensics/Pu239.svg (just remove the spaces)

Rather big image though,

[zinc basin]

Inputs are all +/- 100 of what each lane needs

[wintry aurora]

Isotope U-238 stabilizes at mercury instead of lead, interesting.

Or at least a byproduct of it is.

[fallow plover]

yo I wanna re-format my fuel-plastic production. Basically I have 2 pure oil nodes (the gold islands, west of the map) and I was wondering how much fuel/plastic/rubber I can squeeze out from 1200 oil per minute. If you have any schematic/yt video please help out a guy. Alternate recipes are not a problem. Ty in advance

[wintry aurora]

You can use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production and maximize it.

[fallow plover]

you can use alternates in that?

[wintry aurora]

Yes.

[fallow plover]

oooh ty ty

[wintry aurora]

Uhoh. I noticed it when I went to get more concrete.

Tracking down the problem now....

Oh wait, I was going to do something with the route and utterly forgot about it, I think. But yea. I got distratced from something. Fortunately the waste hadn't backed up yet.

[latent frost]

do cave walls block radiation?

[median heath]

No.

[latent frost]

bummer, was hoping there was a use for all those caves on the map

[median heath]

Building in caves is fun. Whatchu mean?

They have uses.

[latent frost]

something besides a cool place to build

[median heath]

Wow.

[rotund brook]

What does the heatmap mean?

[sand epoch]

Radioactivity. Death

[versed violet]

It's only dangerous if you forget to bring suit+filters.
or forget about gravity...

[opal lion]

the 3rd recipe is more cost efficient then the 1st recipe i noticed i haven't seen anything on the 2nd recipe so i wanted to get ppls opinions on which one you guys might recommend/ which one u guys prefer?

[vapid gorge]

A lot of people sink all the extra nitrogen into the 3rd yeah. I think they take extra baux though? You'd have to do a production line on SCIM to tally that though

[opal lion]

i already did it takes more iron and coal everything else is more cheeper

its surprising it doesnt take more nitrogen lol

[vapid gorge]

Ah sweet then yeah 3rd. Get the Crystal Motor alt as well. Huge increase in motor production for a few oscilators

[opal lion]

didnt even know that was a thing ill look into it thank you!

[vapid gorge]

Remember that packaged nitrogen is actually 4 units of gas

[vapid gorge]

The crystal motor thing is particular great because Oscilators are such a lowthroughput item for it you can drone them in from just about anywhere and drastically reduce the number of motor parts you need

[opal lion]

well damn, thats actually sick i had no clue that was a thing im 100% gonna do that motors are low key annoying to produce rn

that and computers

[vapid gorge]

it IS manufacturers though so bigger volume and power mind you. But also 50% base speed prod

[vapid gorge]

caterium computers ❤️

[opal lion]

rip i dont got that one yet time to go get more hardrives lol thank you so much!

[vapid gorge]

oh, if you aren't doing a huge build, crystal computers might be better for you. Check that one out too. I just don't have the quartz to spare

[opal lion]

i have that one, i plan to do a 252 nuclear power plant max uranium build but thatll prly be the biggest thing i do😅

its so much tho im really debating it lol

[vapid gorge]

Same! If you're not maxing out other end tier products you'll hav eplenty of crystal though

[opal lion]

im only going for like 7.5 turbomotors per minute tho

[vapid gorge]

Oh yeah you're good

[median heath]

Smol number.

Respectable.

Also @vapid gorge what if I do a huge build AND use Crystal Computer because it's the only recipe I will ever use?

(Rolling up further: agree you shouldn't use both it an Rigour Motor. Pick one.)

Rigour with Ct Comp or Electric with Crystal Comp.

[opal lion]

@vapid gorge father number man i need your wisdom and guidance o' plenty once again

[median heath]

I use base, but each has its uses.

[opal lion]

thats what im leaning towards rn aswell considering the 2nd one uses more aluminum and oil and the 3rd uses catirium

[median heath]

All 3 involve Caterium.

[opal lion]

huh? not the 1st one

at least i dont think so

[median heath]

Computers will most likely take Caterium unless you hate yourself.
Oscillators as well.

[opal lion]

im using the oscillator computer recipe

[median heath]

Which will still take Caterium unless you....

[stuck iron]

I'm using radio control system mostly because I had rubber, casings and cb readily available

[opal lion]

ohhh r u saying the caterium circuit board?

[median heath]

Yes.
Also the only Oscillator you should use takes AILs.. which take Caterium.

[opal lion]

ahhhhhhhhh i see i didnt know of that recipe until legit just now lol

[median heath]

It's the best.

Nearly doubles your production output.

[opal lion]

wow it really is crazy im looking at it right now and i see y my oscillator production sucks rn

[median heath]

Time to rebuild.

[opal lion]

lol yep but no complaints here my base is omega spaghetti rn

id assume the caterium circuit board is also a steal aswell?

[stuck iron]

I think I just ignorantly stumbled into most of the alts that require rubber because I found it easier to just output more of it. But this, my very first save has been a fairly organic experience :)

[median heath]

It's what I use in over 90% of spots I need CBs.

[vapid gorge]

I use Silicon, they both need significant copper input because of the sheets or the quickwire copper blend. And I'm squeezed for oil products. Though both are good depending on your overall plan or your locational availability

[frosty owl]

Or haven't balanced well enough
#math-and-meta message

[wintry aurora]

Discord has had that title slogan for how long now?

[frosty owl]

Discord is always new

[wintry aurora]

Just a random thought, I know it’s completely off topic.

[frosty owl]

Banworthy

[wind spade]

still better than the old one

[wintry aurora]

Wasn’t even a pun, wut, lol

[frosty owl]

Too off topic, didn't even bar the words, smh

[runic turtle]

Math is cool. Oh look at me, I can do math

[green dust]

Hi, does anyone know the short answer for: What' better; doing plastic from fuel waste or fuel from plastic waste?

[fierce ruin]

Plastic from fuel waste

[green dust]

Thank you!

[oblique hollow]

If you want more plastic in general, make it directly from oil

The Resin is bad at making a lot of plastic

[wicked tinsel]

resin is good to add some more plastic, but your main source should be recycled rubber/plastic loop

it directly converts fuel to resource you want

[oblique hollow]

Actually resin should only ever be made into rubber, tbh

[wicked tinsel]

yeah, its more efficient that way

and then that rubber can be converted to plastic

[oblique hollow]

On that note: that doesnt increase efficiency of conversion. The rubber / plastic loop already uses up all the fuel on its own. Running residual rubber into it, contrary to expection, doesnt increase yield

Cause that extra rubber needs fuel to be converted

If anything, skewer your recycling loops

I know its not what you directly meant. But i think its related enough

[wicked tinsel]

🤔

guess thats true

[green dust]

ok that's too much for me

what should I be doing from the crude oil?

fuel or plastic? haha

[median heath]

Too much 😂

[foggy cobalt]

Hey guys, I'm having an issue with my 50 fuel generators factory, can somebody help me out in voc and I show in stream how I did my thing and managed to not make it work? 😄

[median heath]

If you're still in the tutorial and the game is "too much"... buckle up, cuz the ride just gets better from there.

[green dust]

hahaha I know I know I'm dumb, that's why I reached out the nerd god chat, still dont know what better 😦

[fierce ruin]

Bottom line is you can't really lose in Satisfactory, so worst case scenario you'll just need to rebuild your base so don't sweat it too much. But the process itself is the fun part imo

[median heath]

There is over 10,000 Crude Oil on the map, and you want to know what one SINGULAR item to make from all of it?
Or do you understand you can make multiple things from the oil at the same time?

What should you be doing from Crude Oil?
Fuel, Plastic, AND Rubber.

[static venture]

^Not just can, but must due to by-products

(Unless you sink all the sinkables I guess)

[green dust]

yes I wanted to know exactly this haha

[static venture]

The Oil part of the game is designed to force you to think about the byproducts that any primary product generates and how to process them such that your primary product continues to be produced

[green dust]

oh ok, I will do the numbers myself then haha Thanks 😄

[oblique hollow]

just like you should make all the parts from iron you can, you should make all the parts from oil that you can

[median heath]

Make all the parts from Caterium you can make 😉

#QuickwireStator

[oblique hollow]

#fusedwire

[median heath]

#CateriumWire

(Which I actually use sometimes 😂 )

[oblique hollow]

#QuickwireCable

[median heath]

Which I also use 😄

[green dust]

but you cant make screws from iron plates.... otherwise you can make plastic from fuel and fuel from plastic

[oblique hollow]

you can make screws from iron ingots

and further along that: you can turn iron ore to screws

[median heath]

Screws that don't involve Steel 😬

[oblique hollow]

you cant make fuel from plastic, only fuel from plastic byproducts (heavy oil)

which is why its important to know the recipe efficiencies

[static venture]

Using screws in any production line 😬

[median heath]

Copper Rotor.

[unreal jungle]

Using all the uranium nodes in the game. What's the max number of nuclear reactors you can have?

[median heath]

Reactors? Not really, because you could underclock them to make a shit ton more for no reason.

Rods - yes.

[raw shale]

I can 't log into EGS , but I 'm playing with Steam . What to do?

[unreal jungle]

Keeping all reactors on 100%

[median heath]

50.4 Ur rods burning at 0.2/min and 22.4 Plut rods bruning at 0.1/min

You do the math.

[trail fjord]

what are the recommended recipes for a massive production of rubber and plastic??

[versed violet]

Oil -> HOR -> Residual Fuel -> recycled plastic loop.
On the side, turn resin into rubber with some water (better ratio than plastic) and use said rubber to prime the plastic array.
Adjust ratios of rubber/plastic to your liking, you should be able to get 100% of either, or any split between.

[hidden roost]

Did some math for producing fuel

option 1

Fuel 60/m oil -> 40/min fuel + 30/min resin

        67% efficient for fuel
        50% loss rate to resin

180/m oil -> 120/m fuel + 90/m resin 117% max efficiency

option 2a        

Heavy Oil Residue 30/m oil -> 40/m heavy oil + 20/m resin
Residual Fuel 60/m Heavy oil -> 40/m fuel
133% efficient for fuel
67% loss rate to resin
180/m oil -> 240/m fuel + 120/m resin 200% max efficiency

option 2b        

Heavy Oil Residue 30/m oil -> 40/m heavy oil + 20/m resin
Diluted Fuel 50/m heavy oil + 100/m water -> 100/m fuel
333% efficient for fuel
67% loss rate to resin
180/m oil -> 600/m fuel + 120/m resin 400% max efficiency

Diluted fuel is overpowered.

[wintry aurora]

That's been known for ages.

[hidden roost]

True, but I decided to solve it myself to see how much better it is

[wintry aurora]

Ok.

[hidden roost]

I forgot the calculate the packaged diluted fuel, but it is the same ratio as normal diluted fuel correct?

[wintry aurora]

Diluted packaged is technically the normal diluted.

They're identical other than slight differences in power usage I beleve.

[hidden roost]

Ok thank you

[green dust]

xd so friendly ppl in this group

[green dust]

thank you for sharing 😄

[hidden roost]

ok

[median heath]

Yes, we are.

[opaque quarry]

probably a simple question to figure out but... if i want to produce packaged fuel, is it better to use diluted packaged fuel recipe or diluted fuel then package it

or maybe the only difference is in the power 🤔

[median heath]

If your sole purpose is making packaged fuel, and you won't be using it for anything else, use DPF.

[opaque quarry]

i will already be producing non packaged diluted fuel so im thinking it might make more sense to just have a packager?

looks like the only difference is the power, sorry for the silly question 🙂

[median heath]

Yes.

[green dust]

hey, good night, does anyone have an example of a 2 to 3 ingame balancer? I want to know how compact can it be

[stuck iron]

Isn't that just a merger and a splitter?

[green dust]

I think it isnt, wont it limit my items per minute?

I just sent an #screenshots

[stuck iron]

It could. How many per minute

[green dust]

it has to be at least 320 output from 480 input

this is working fine (apparently)

[hidden roost]

Looks neat too. No 🍝

[river coral]

I want to make a mega nuclear factory and I am not sure what's better. Uranium Fuel Unit or Uranium Fuel Rod?

[fierce ruin]

Doesn't middle one get more than the side ones?

oh nvm

had a brain fart

[oblique notch]

480 on 2 belts, so 240 each belt. Each is split 3 times, so 80 per output on the splitter. The middle two get merged, for 160, the center and outer get merged on each side for 2x 160

[oblique hollow]

each belt receives 2/3 so it seems fine

[zenith patrol]

maybe not the best place to ask but how wide do the roads have to be for a truck a tractor to make a good turn?
Has anyone already done this?

[oblique hollow]

2 foundations most likely