#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 582

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 6:21 PM

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the only thing it has in common is that dynamic repathing

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Or ... maybe Factorio train logic handles that stuff different.

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 6:21 PM

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heres the current idea sheet

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thats literally the only thing we dont have

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everything else is already possible with block and path signals

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Ah, it is like naming all your stations the same name in Factorio.

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 6:22 PM

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yea almost

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here we cant do that really

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Won't let you or it just shits the bed?

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 6:23 PM

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it allows you to name stations the same but that doesnt "group" them

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you just lose track of stations because now you got 2 seperate stations under the same name

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Yep.

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 6:24 PM

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this signal idea was more of a multiplexer approach

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originally i didnt think of "what if it chose an empty path if theres 2 exits with the same number"

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:25 PM

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You're just moving the logic to the gate instead of the station name picker.

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gate/signal

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 6:26 PM

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yea the station names only determine the end goal of a train, but trains dont adjust their path usually

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so i had the idea to force them to recalculate

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a special signal where they fully stop, get a new path ordered to them, and then they check if their current goal can still be reached with this new path

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because apparently, right now, dynamic repathing is complicated

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so this was a simplified approach where its not fully dynamic

languid mulch Dec 5, 2021, 6:33 PM

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How many freight cars would my train need to efficiently deliver 1080 bauxite per minute across 3000~ meters?

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Yes. All the cars.

languid mulch Dec 5, 2021, 6:35 PM

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small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:36 PM

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Make it look like you're playing "Snake" and have only one apple left to eat.

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Are you using 1080/min at the destination?

languid mulch Dec 5, 2021, 6:38 PM

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The intent is to

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:40 PM

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well ... let's see 2 cars would be 1560/min for as long as it takes to drain 48 stacks. As long as you can fill 2 train cars and deliver them before the others empty?

languid mulch Dec 5, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Only 2?! I prepared for 6

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:40 PM

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err ...32.

languid mulch Dec 5, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Mostly considering the distance, not sure how long it'll take

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Wait, 32 cars?! How would I even split this into 32 cars 😄

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:41 PM

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32 stacks of items, silly.

languid mulch Dec 5, 2021, 6:41 PM

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💩

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Hm

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I really can't count for the distance though

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Travel time matters.

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More so than the distance, IMO.

languid mulch Dec 5, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Yeah, but is there a good way for calculating it?

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Standing on the loco with a stop watch?

languid mulch Dec 5, 2021, 6:43 PM

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Doesn't it display at the station with the new update? Anyway, I'm more so thinking in advance of actually building the train tracks

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:45 PM

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I don't know ... I only built a train track (horribly) in my modded U4 world.

placid cipher Dec 5, 2021, 6:52 PM

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What do people do when it comes to making fuel? Standard, Alternate1 or an unlockable alternate?

small oasis Dec 5, 2021, 6:54 PM

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I'm using the I think an alternate ... Oil --> Residue and Plastic nuggets --> Residue to fuel.

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I dedicated an entire oil geyser to the project. Got 40 fuel gennies out of it. I could probably do more with the diluted fuel recipe ... but I needed the plastic/rubber for other ... things.

wicked tinsel Dec 5, 2021, 7:12 PM

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this seem needlessly complicated, why not just have repatching on path signal, as its name suggests

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 7:12 PM

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cuz thats too easy

wicked tinsel Dec 5, 2021, 7:13 PM

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nothing wrong with that

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 7:13 PM

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yes

wicked tinsel Dec 5, 2021, 7:17 PM

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and while we are at it, path signal needs a special state for partial clearance

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maybe blue like in factorio or flashing green

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 7:17 PM

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partial clearance?

wicked tinsel Dec 5, 2021, 7:17 PM

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can go left, cant go right kind of thing

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right now, they are always red until train approaches

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 7:18 PM

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point of that being?

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they are always red because they wait for a train to enter their block and "transmit" their path to them

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guess it has to do with the way it doesnt want to needlessy early reserve a path?

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the other thing is: when to trains determine that they need to repath?

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after waiting at a path signal for 5 minutes?

wicked tinsel Dec 5, 2021, 7:22 PM

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should be enough if its intended way is blocked and it would need to (start) stopping

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 7:25 PM

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if its intended way is blocked it could simply mean "theres a train on my exit"

wicked tinsel Dec 5, 2021, 7:25 PM

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yes, thats the point

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 7:25 PM

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and that other train could still move

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no need to reconsider a route if its probably just delayed a bit

wicked tinsel Dec 5, 2021, 7:26 PM

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if there is alternative route that offers no delay, then it should be taken tho

wintry aurora Dec 5, 2021, 8:11 PM

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should, yes, but it can't as it's not programmed that way.

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:20 PM

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So I have a question

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What is wrong with liquids and pipes in this game

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The pipe on the left looks like this

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:21 PM

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haughty roost What is wrong with liquids and pipes in this game

The vast majority of peoples preconceptions of stuff being "wrong" is purely because pipes can flow backwards and they arent accounting for that

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:21 PM

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The pipe on the right looks like this

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:22 PM

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patent briar The vast majority of peoples preconceptions of stuff being "wrong" is purely bec...

I have accounted for that and I have tried adding pumps

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:22 PM

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haughty roost The pipe on the right looks like this

Work your way backwards on the dead pipe til it doesnt look like that

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:22 PM

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But that just stopped the flow of the liquid, even though I made sure they were in the right direction

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:22 PM

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There is a specific bug I have found

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Where if you have Pipe A -> Pipe Floor Hole -> Pipe B, and then you place a llift head pump on Pipe A before the hole, it "breaks" the connection to the floor hole, and Pipe B doesnt get any fluid

frosty owl Dec 5, 2021, 9:23 PM

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haughty roost But that just stopped the flow of the liquid, even though I made sure they were ...

Rebuild the involved pipe segment(s), maybe even the pipe supports

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:23 PM

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And you just have to redo the pipe between Pump <-> Hole

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:23 PM

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restart game

frosty owl Dec 5, 2021, 9:24 PM

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~~Reinstall Windows~~

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:24 PM

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But, usually, its a head lift issue otherwise

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The game gives you a visual for your headlift as well, which not everyone knows

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:24 PM

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This is the only pipe currently working

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I can not figure out why this wont work

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Its probably head lift

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Pumps dont do anything

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It just stops the flow

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Are you powering them?

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:25 PM

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removing the pump makes it work better

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Yes

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Connect a pipe to the upper row, go into build mode with a headlift pump in hand, hover it over the pipe pointing the right way, but dont place

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:26 PM

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those pumps look unpowered

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:26 PM

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What pumps?

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:26 PM

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You will see a visual for head lift

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:27 PM

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I dont have any in the photos

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:27 PM

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Im gonna say this is almost certainly a headlift issue

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chances are the bottom row of pipes is just low enough to clear your headlift, but the top row is above your headlift

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:28 PM

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So where do I put the pump

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At the top of the first pipe?

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Do what I said above

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Here: #math-and-meta message

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Do that first

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:30 PM

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haughty roost What pumps?

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those are pumps

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:31 PM

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oh man I barely noticed those

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nice catch

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:31 PM

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no power no head lift no flow

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but i guess those refineries are not active

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:31 PM

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oblique hollow

The 5 pipes the pumps are on arent the ones I am working with right now

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Im trying to get the first one to work

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:32 PM

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just put a mk 1 pump on the first pipe and power it

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and mind the direction

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:32 PM

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But seriously first do that thing I said to do

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:34 PM

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haughty roost The pipe on the right looks like this

also whats so bad about that. does the flow rate at least equal 40/min on average on both sides?

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the pipe going down doesnt have to be full

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:35 PM

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well the flow rate says 23 so, its almost definitely above headlift slightly and its choking hard

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so I presume yeah, its broken and my tip will help them see why

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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This is what im trying to power

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I still dont know why this isnt working

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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@haughty roost Did you do the thing I said yet?

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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Just hower a pump over the pipe but dont place it?

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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yup

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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Why would that help

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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It will show you your problem

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:36 PM

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https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/2/2d/Head_lift_indicator.mp4/revision/latest?cb=20201106155350

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:37 PM

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^

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:37 PM

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however, this does not work with refinery head lift

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:37 PM

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oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:37 PM

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there will be no ring to snap to

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because normal production machines dont produce these rings

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Do only pumps show it? I thought all machines that make head lift show the indicator now?

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:38 PM

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nah still not

patent briar Dec 5, 2021, 9:38 PM

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RIP

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Actually weird thing I am finding is... your head lift rounds up to the top of the pipe it seems

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Though it seems to not get full throughput, its weird

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I guess pipes dont understand "direction" fully and have shorthands internally for how full they are

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:39 PM

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above 12 m, output rapidly drops

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for normal refineries

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:39 PM

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patent briar I guess pipes dont understand "direction" fully and have shorthands internally f...

yes that would be the volume

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the bubble icon

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:45 PM

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So I moved it down and it works just fine

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SO WHY DONT PUMPS HELP IT

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It doesnt work without pumps and it doesnt work with pumps

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:46 PM

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where is the damn pump

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if nothing works restart the game because bugs

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:48 PM

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When I moved the pipe down it works fine without any pumps

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But when its above the doorway it doesnt work with pumps and it doesnt work without pumps

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:48 PM

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bugged

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Alright, lemme relog then

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:52 PM

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this is what should happen

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the less fluid you produce the longer it takes to fill the pipes

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and 40/min is REALLY slow

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:57 PM

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Yeah, nothing is working

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I can just put all the pipes on the ground

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I dont really want to, id like to have that doorway there, but for some reason pipes arent working for me

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:58 PM

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verify your game files

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:58 PM

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I keep getting errors about verifying game files

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Ill probably just make a new world from scratch

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 9:59 PM

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errors when verifying?

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 9:59 PM

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I have made many mistakes in this one and this world just seems to keep messing with me

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No, when opeing the game

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opening*

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 10:00 PM

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cursed savefile

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Yeah

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So ill just make another world

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I havent really done anything that huge in this world other than getting to the level I am at now

oblique hollow Dec 5, 2021, 10:00 PM

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there are a few issues indeed that persist only on some savefiles

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i had that happen to me with pipes when i broke a valve

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that broke all valves in that save, forever

haughty roost Dec 5, 2021, 10:02 PM

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Well, thanks for trying to help

cloud tree Dec 5, 2021, 11:05 PM

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best super computer recipe ?

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in your eyes

lusty oxide Dec 5, 2021, 11:22 PM

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anyone calculated how long it will take to grind ficmas presents to finish the research tree?

river night Dec 5, 2021, 11:23 PM

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as of right now all you need is to grind enough to build a present tree, and you can build a fully automated factory for all parts

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which you should, as later unlocks are likely to get expensive

lusty oxide Dec 5, 2021, 11:25 PM

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nice

thorn bane Dec 5, 2021, 11:35 PM

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ficsmas any% speedrun when

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 12:12 AM

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It's time gated, so, you can't really speedrun that.

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 12:14 AM

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You can with changing your pc date

river night Dec 6, 2021, 12:15 AM

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or just wait until the 25th and time your speedrun then

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changing the date is not recommended as not all content is even in the game yet, as the devs have stated

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 12:31 AM

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Who would have thought a simple rewiring job at my aluminium refinery would take four hours!

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 12:32 AM

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Rewiring as in re-piping or...?

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 12:35 AM

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Rewiring as in the places electrics, there was pumps and other crap cabled in that have since been removed, but due to how I wired the place, I pulled a few too many bits of the rats nest and the whole thing went dark, so I gutted & rewired it in a more orderly manner.

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 12:36 AM

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Oh lol.

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 12:36 AM

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It gave me an excuse to run power off beams instead of a disorderly manner right off the ceiling to boot thanks to some U5 toys.

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 12:36 AM

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Yea, I had accidentially split my base area into two power wise and didn't realize it until one side of it crashed it's grid.

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 12:37 AM

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I've so done that 🤣

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I also had ghost lights for a couple of hours, they were fully disconnected but they didn't let that keep them from shining, I had to connect/disconnect them again to make them realise there was no electric 🙂

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Hey guys still fairly new compared to most of you guys. Im looking at making a turbo fuel plant/power generation on the northern end of the map. Im thinking about just using 2 of the prepped 600 oil lines I have for that purpose and reserving the rest for other production. Ive tried to use SCIM and the other factory planner to plan out what I need but im having a little trouble configuring it correctly to show me what Im gonna need. Want to use the packaged fuel alternate that seems to be popular for this purpose. Can anyone kick me in the right direction to get started

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 3:39 AM

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have you used satisfactorytools to lay out the production lines?

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:40 AM

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I think I looked at that one as well but I think Im approaching these tools wrong

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 3:40 AM

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if you want a more step by step, imkibitz has a pretty good tutorial, but it's using packaged fuel in refineries from an older update, so you need to replace that step with the packager

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:41 AM

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yeah ive looked at his streams, theyre great and fun but sometimes he glances some of the more in depth info lol

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or I need to pay attention better

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 3:41 AM

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usually the crazy stuff isn't on his letsplays or streams, but youtube playlists, they get a bit buried sometimes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpq6skTLziU&list=PLMmqC65vzdRlKuZZ8T9XRxdLwcdEGZBIq&index=34

YouTube

ImKibitz

The BEST Fuel Generator Power Plant Tutorial, 300 Oil to 16,700 MW!...

The BEST Fuel Generator Power Plant Tutorial, 300 Oil to 16,700 MW! - Satisfactory Tips

Satisfactory tips and tutorial time! Today is a Satisfactory Fuel Power Plant tutorial that uses 300 oil, 600 packaged water, 400 compacted coal, and 66.6 refineries to make 16,700 MW of power! This is an advanced Satisfactory tutorial that requires 4 altern...

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last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:43 AM

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oooh, thanks for that link. I dont have alclad production yet so hopefully that wont hold me back. I was hoping to solidify the power grid first

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 3:43 AM

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you only need diluted packaged, compacted coal, and heavy oil rewsidue alternates

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:43 AM

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well and turbofuel xD

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 3:43 AM

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lol

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yes, that also

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if the beltspeeds are too high, you can just pare everything down to a 480 input

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:44 AM

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I think I have those but Ill make sure before I start, otherwise back to adventure mode for more hard drives

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:44 AM

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btw the default recipe is mostly capped on sulfur so i woulnt build it too big so you dont need multiple sulfur nodes

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 3:45 AM

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yea, i have been using the same 300 oil -> 138 turbofuel generators for 22.2gw of power for the last 200 hours or so

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only now spending the time getting a nuc setup

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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i much prefer turboblend fuel but ofcourse you need the blender for that which is later
thats kinda why i wouldnt build something really big since you want to use turboblend for that

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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yeah ive heard about nuclear, want to get more established/experienced before I tackle that beast lol

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 3:46 AM

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one normal oil, 2 normal sulfurs until you get mk3 miners, 666 turbofuel per min

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but again, with the switching of refinery unpacking from update3 to packagers

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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last root yeah ive heard about nuclear, want to get more established/experienced before I ...

Imho avoid the spire coast if you're doing turbo fuel, the station can be colossal and it's on the cards for an update as far as the landscape goes.

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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near zenith one normal oil, 2 normal sulfurs until you get mk3 miners, 666 turbofuel per min

wasnt that site outdated or something?
idk use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

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near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 3:47 AM

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i never actually used it

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just ripped the pic lol

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this was before i joined the cult of greeny

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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i think its stupid go for X oil into X turbofuel
youre capped by sulfur
id rather use a full 300 sulfur node and use what ever oil i have available

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:48 AM

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Im hoping to get into nuclear before that update, then I can play around with changes there

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:49 AM

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default turbofuel uses more sulfur than oil
but theres WAY less sulfur than oil available

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:49 AM

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I have an immense turbo plant in that area and I'm racing to get my nuclear going just in case it gets bricked by a future update, just don't use half of the worlds sulphur like I did converting 1800 oil in to 4000 turbo fuel, it takes ages to build that big 🙂

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 3:49 AM

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last root Im hoping to get into nuclear before that update, then I can play around with ch...

Chop chop. You only have.. checks notes.. 6-9 months to do it.

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(Disclaimer: I have no special knowledge. I am not a goat in a tub.)

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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id do something like this i think
83 gens

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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ashen girder Chop chop. You only have.. _checks notes_.. 6-9 months to do it.

You should have seen the chaos my aluminium plant was in earlier, god that was a frustrating fiasco, and it was caused in part by one section of mk1 pipe 😄

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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cinder silo You should have seen the chaos my aluminium plant was in earlier, god that was a...

I saw your discovery! Ouch. D:

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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I have some sulfur that I use for my compacted coal power plant but by no means tapping much as far as sulfur goes, would be ok with kiling a sulfur node even if I have to search for one to get some lasting power set up

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:50 AM

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thorn bane id do something like this i think 83 gens

83, rookie numbers 😛 , I did 888!

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:51 AM

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ashen girder I saw your discovery! Ouch. D:

I got it in the end and the place is Finally running after the fifth rebuild 🙂

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:51 AM

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id just build that with turboblend fuel (well i wouldnt id go nuclear xd)

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i think the default turbofuel recipes is super overhyped
the sulfur you need for it is insane

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:52 AM

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The sulphur use is crazy, my nuclear is planned with plutonium sink so 266gw give or take should handle any power needs.

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:52 AM

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is there a more sulfur friendly approach for turbo fuel

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:52 AM

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most ive used is 50gw and thats 20 assembly director systems per minute...

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:52 AM

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last root is there a more sulfur friendly approach for turbo fuel

turbo blend fuel
but you need the blender for that

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:52 AM

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My turbo fuel plant produces 133gw.

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:53 AM

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so id just build a small default turbofuel plant just to get you through aluminum processign so you can unlock the blender

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well small ~80 gens or something

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:53 AM

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Imho I went way too far, getting just dilute fuel will allow you to expand power with relative simplicity.

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:53 AM

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eh i hate diluted fuel
defautl fuel is best fuel xd

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:54 AM

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I do have the blender open, have been trying a minimalist approach to moving up the tiers

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:54 AM

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Dilute does double the resulting fuel with trivial steps.

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Its really just a dodge for piping in oil from all over the shop and having all your gens in one space.

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:54 AM

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cinder silo Dilute does double the resulting fuel with trivial steps.

its still the same amount of buildins though (roughly)
and by that point you have like 5 oil nodes nearby that you wont use all of

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its actually LESS space to use default fuel over diluted

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:55 AM

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I'm burning four nodes (two normal and two pure) for my turbo fuel, all other oil everywhere else can be used for something more constructive.

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:56 AM

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well you dont need that much power

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:56 AM

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Depending on what future updates do, I'll leave the fuel station in place and just focus nuclear.

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I'm partly building that because I've never done nuclear before and it's a challenge 🙂

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 3:57 AM

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nuclear is fun 🙂

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:57 AM

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right now with the extractors OC'ed I have 3300/m oil ready to pull the trigger on, not including the I think 600 thats being rolled in by train. Im just thinking of tapping 1200 of that max for the power setup

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:58 AM

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thorn bane nuclear is fun 🙂

That's my current nuclear map, it still lacks copper processing, iron wire and a foundry for fuel production.

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:58 AM

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pretty much want to set up a robust power grid so I wont be held back by power until I get to nuclear

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 3:58 AM

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encased cells are produced in another facility not captured on that screen, sec.

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Here it is.

last root Dec 6, 2021, 3:59 AM

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yeah I have a ways to go before I start playing with that voodoo. absolutely loving the journey so far though

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:00 AM

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last root pretty much want to set up a robust power grid so I wont be held back by power u...

conventional fuel is the most reliable with straight forward setups, the resin output from the refineries can go straight in the sink, no fuss.

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When unlocked, you can also build a mountain of power stores, their job is to kick in when your grid does get overloaded so you can shut off what's just blown it and reset without your power generators being brought to their knees.

last root Dec 6, 2021, 4:01 AM

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Im just concerned about capping the setup and having to revisit power before I get to nuclear.

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I do have I think 5500 in storage connected to the grid on a switch

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:02 AM

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If you built a fuel station in the crater & on the oil islands you should be good for ages, build as many stores as you possibly can, their power for emergancy scales well for something so cheap.

last root Dec 6, 2021, 4:03 AM

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been doing a little ground work in preperation for this project, probably will need to kick that reserve power just to start the fuel generation

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:03 AM

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I have 1800 under my base, they can put out more juice than my turbo fuel station.

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You won't need to risk tripping if you online in stages, 1 row of refineries & their fuel gens at a time, that way your power comes up faster than your consumption.

last root Dec 6, 2021, 4:04 AM

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so the blend fuel approach is more complex but more efficient for the production of turbo fuel

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 4:04 AM

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eh both are really simple

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its still oil->stuff->turbofuel

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:05 AM

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I know, I blacked out my entire grid when I powered my turbo stations refineries in one go. I only had 7200 from my coal station, and the refineries wanted 20000ish in total 🙂

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 4:05 AM

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it actually doesnt use coal so you need less other resources
only oil 🙂

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:05 AM

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Moving off coal to oil also lets you use that coal in steel production & aluminium.

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 4:05 AM

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and sulfur

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its just easier to find spots that have oil+sulfur than spots that have coal aswell

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also the reason i dont like diluted fuel cause theres some spots that just dont have water

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:07 AM

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Good point, I have a mapwide belt tunnelway bringing half the worlds sulphur, it was tricky to get started mostly just getting to the ndoes.

last root Dec 6, 2021, 4:07 AM

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yeah that was my hope, wanted to make a really good amount of power so I can retire my compacted coal power

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:07 AM

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compacted coal as a fuel? as in directly in to a coal station? ouch!

last root Dec 6, 2021, 4:07 AM

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freeing up the coal and sulfur for other things

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yeah my main power is compacted coal right now

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:08 AM

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The extra burn on the compacted coal is just going to be swallowed up by the machines needed to make the compacted coal, Imho you should have just used regular coal & explored another node 😦

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 4:09 AM

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sonofabeetch, drone ports only have one input slot?!

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that's going to cause me some troubles...

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 4:09 AM

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huh?

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dont they have 1 extra for batteries?

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:10 AM

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You can smart splitter sushi if you're wanting mixed drone loads of small numbers.

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 4:10 AM

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yea, one for batteries, one for transpo

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i was hoping to use them to ferry 1800 qw to my irradiated factory

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fleet of drones blacking out the sky it is

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:11 AM

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qw in to a rad haz zone? probably should have a train doing that or three belts.

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 4:12 AM

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i'm making a mountaintop factory to isolate the radiation hazard, you know, for safety

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totally unrealistic to have trains climb that slope

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doin it for the memes brother

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:12 AM

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near zenith i'm making a mountaintop factory to isolate the radiation hazard, you know, for ...

I get you, all the worlds uranium is processed in that one room , it's deep under the world.

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 4:13 AM

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bigbrain moves

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:13 AM

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The uranium fuel production is over the void in the grasslands and it's larger.

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 4:13 AM

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if you balance your radioactive stuff the radiation is quite minimal

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:13 AM

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You can walk around my nuclear handling stations with minimal exposure.

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 4:14 AM

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i'm not particularly worried about the actual radiation levels, i'm already working through a zero-waste recipe, but again, we doin this for the realism, THE MEMES

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:15 AM

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I probably went a bit far on my mission requirements but I'm committed now to burning all the uranium.

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Just 3,6 roentgen 😄

last root Dec 6, 2021, 4:19 AM

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thanks for the insight btw on the fuel situation guys

azure gust Dec 6, 2021, 4:20 AM

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so how should I handle automation of building enough canisters/fluid tanks so as to not back up various lines?

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:20 AM

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I had sudden fluid buffer nightmares before I realised you meant the cans.

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 4:21 AM

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azure gust so how should I handle automation of building _enough_ canisters/fluid tanks so ...

are you sinking them?
cause if you resued them you odnt need that many which you can just craft form a box -> def. canister -> box

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:21 AM

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Do you have the steel canister recipe? , it's pretty straightforward having a foundry spam those.

azure gust Dec 6, 2021, 4:21 AM

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I need like a priority/smart merger or something

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 4:21 AM

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ngl, i just kinda build a bunch, throw them in until they overflow, then take some out

azure gust Dec 6, 2021, 4:22 AM

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my problem is if I build too many, the various manufacturies that use them will occasionally back up, because the belts are full of empty canisters

near zenith Dec 6, 2021, 4:22 AM

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building selfcontained pack/unpack loops and just chuck a isc of them in there, and wait and watch

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:23 AM

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I'm also working on making my nuclear look cool 😄

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Belt Compressor strikes again!!!

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just remove the constructor ones the loop is full (as soon as you get unused canisters in the box)

azure gust Dec 6, 2021, 4:31 AM

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hey, that's sort of what I've done

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:34 AM

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Markings on the ground never gets old for planning placements.

last root Dec 6, 2021, 4:36 AM

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thats pretty slick

azure gust Dec 6, 2021, 4:37 AM

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@thorn bane here's my attempt so far

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I'm using the Storage Teleporter mod, if the small solid blue buildings aren't clear

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I think it might have taken me longer to label that image than it did to come up with the idea and build it in-game....

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:38 AM

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The modern railings & lift holes can make for a cool ingress/egress point for belts inside of the factory.

thorn bane Dec 6, 2021, 4:40 AM

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azure gust <@!284823369977954306> here's my attempt so far

idk i dont like the idea of sinking extra canisters
id just fill up a line and then disconnect the canister supply

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:40 AM

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To drop the railings like that when they intend only to snap to the edges of the 8x8 foundations, just drop catwalk crossings flush with the foundation, it lets you freely place the railing, you can just del the crossing after and the railing is level with the ground 🙂

clever hamlet Dec 6, 2021, 7:00 AM

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Quick question, If I plase a splitter ontop of a lift it clips thrue it so it looks like the goods are coming in from the bottom. It looks pretty cool and works like a charm. But my question is. Is this a bug or a feature or both?

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last root Dec 6, 2021, 7:21 AM

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As far as I know it’s intended

rustic current Dec 6, 2021, 8:12 AM

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so uhh if this was fully charged...

oblique hollow Dec 6, 2021, 8:36 AM

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Yes power, much demand

warm sphinx Dec 6, 2021, 8:53 AM

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question, i need 18 coal generators, i need 2 pieces of 8 coal generators, another place of 8 coal generators and then 2 coal generators, but how do i do this setup in such as a way that the load is nicly distributed?

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 8:58 AM

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you can just do manifold

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--S--S--S--S--S--S--...
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warm sphinx Dec 6, 2021, 9:16 AM

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wind spade ``` --S--S--S--S--S--S--... | | | | | | ```

yes but wouldnt that take alot of time until all 18 coal generators are working at 100% efficiency?

still trout Dec 6, 2021, 9:22 AM

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you can prefill the generators with some coal, or you can only input the water after the machines have some coal backed up

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manifolds just do that, a load balancer would be overkill here

uneven wagon Dec 6, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Heyo! I have a math question.
Assume a resource node provides 240 / min. What is the optimal way to determine the number and configuration of splitters to achieve a split of: 176.25 and 63.75.

Question is based on this plan: https://www.satisfactory-planner.net/?f=v2_U5,42000000800800000488003fffbffffffffffffff7fe7fffffe00,iron_rod:iron_rod_recipe:1|iron_plate:iron_plate_recipe:1|reinforced_iron_plate:maximize:20,,240:100:0|28860:243:0|52860:133:0|30900:227:0|11040:637:0|10500:670:0|6840:1028:0|11700:601:0|9780:719:0|2100:3351:0|12000:586:0|0:1:1,0,1000:5:3

Please see my solution in the attached photo.

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[U5] Yet Another Factory Planner

A tool for planning factories in Satisfactory

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Is there a formula/calculator to determine this without me hand doing the math?

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also splitting into 3s didn't yield a useful result

uneven wagon Dec 6, 2021, 9:59 AM

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To add complexity a given splitter output can be split into either two or three with the potential solution existing in either branch. This means that the optimal solution could be a mixture of splitters with two or three outputs.

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 11:13 AM

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=IF(L2="",
    "",
    IF(I2="",
       INDEX($I$2:I2, 1, 
             MAX(NOT(ISBLANK($I$2:I2)) * 
             COLUMN($I$2:I2) - 
             COLUMN($I$2)+1))
       /L2,
       I2/L2))

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it will return the maximum non blank cell index (using some indexing magic) and divide it with the adjacent cell

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essentially, the index(...) replaces the I2 in case I2 is empty, where index is the index of the previous non-blank cell above I2

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this is could be used for getting the value of a merged cell without using VB

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 12:44 PM

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apparently this doesn't work properly if attempting to read a cell which contains a formula, since ISBLANK includes formulas

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 1:09 PM

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aaand it appears as though i've no idea what i'm doing

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 1:21 PM

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gloomy palm aaand it appears as though i've no idea what i'm doing

Hence why I told you to just make a python script at least xD

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 1:22 PM

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rose steeple Hence why I told you to just make a python script at least xD

well i just realized, if i made a python script to do this, it would basically be the same thing that greeny's production planner does, and crossing over into the territory of the discussion in the #915743639433527306

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there's no easy way to do this without bruteforcing every combination of production

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so therefore, finding which belt is cheapest can probably be easier by hand than by using tools

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even most peeps seem to be able to tell you off-hand which one is easier, but i have a suspicion that calculating every possible recipe combination will reveal results that not everyone thought of

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 1:24 PM

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gloomy palm so therefore, finding which belt is cheapest can probably be easier by hand than...

Yes, but then you wont be able to do the same for other things rapidly

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 1:24 PM

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that's why there's the ongoing discussion about finding a way to calculate recipe efficiencies

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Anyways if you get me an easily parsable list of all recipes in the game I can try to write such an thing

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 1:26 PM

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no dont

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you see, the problem is that in later tiers, byproducts come into play

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those byproducts can be used to simplify the workflow down to the beginning

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 1:27 PM

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gloomy palm those byproducts can be used to simplify the workflow down to the beginning

Never doubt my programming abilities

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 1:27 PM

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rose steeple Never doubt my programming abilities

well the thing is

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join #915743639433527306 and read the pinned message

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your help would be appreciated

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🙏

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 1:30 PM

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gloomy palm your help would be appreciated

Js 🤮

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 1:34 PM

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xP

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i like when i can re-arrange the nodes so there's no overlapping lines

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btw this is to produce one iron plate with all the 'best' alt recipes

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 1:38 PM

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gloomy palm btw this is to produce one iron plate with all the 'best' alt recipes

Size matters too you know

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So does power

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 1:39 PM

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can't have everything

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 1:40 PM

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So maybe something like Points / (Size * Power * Constant)

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 1:42 PM

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this is if you maximize iron plate production

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388k plates/minute

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rather fascinating

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https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=5ITNk7HwOtgQgpvEwsVA

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 1:47 PM

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gloomy palm https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=5ITNk7HwOtgQgpvEwsVA

don't know why but this one has -0/min byproduct: alumina solution

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maybe i can report this to @wind spade 👀

languid mulch Dec 6, 2021, 2:04 PM

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What would you rate in order of importance in terms of production volume for Aluminum Sheets, Aluminum Casings and Aluminum Ingots (left unrefined in case of recipes using them as is), and assuming that every alternate recipe is available?

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 2:09 PM

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You need aluminum ingots to make the sheets and casings in the first place, it’s volume is going to follow the other two.

languid mulch Dec 6, 2021, 2:11 PM

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Yes, but since they're also needed for some other recipes, I don't want to convert all of them into casings / sheets... But I also don't want to leave too many leftover, if they're not equally important as casings and sheets.

fringe pawn Dec 6, 2021, 2:12 PM

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Sheets above all for MK5 belts

languid mulch Dec 6, 2021, 2:12 PM

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I have two normal bauxite nodes and one pure node, now all turned to ingots, and I'm trying to decide what treatment to give to the pure node. Only production of other items matters, since surplus can always be used for building materials.

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Aren’t aluminum ingots only used for those two items, including alts?

languid mulch Dec 6, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Such as for the MK 5 belts, I'll have plenty for those regardless of which

oblique hollow Dec 6, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Some ingots are used for the heat fused frame alt iirc

languid mulch Dec 6, 2021, 2:13 PM

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It's used for Heat-Fused Frame alternate, and empty fluid tanks

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And the heat fused frame seems to be the top efficient choice for fused modular frames

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Oh, didn’t realize, I thought al sheets were.

oblique hollow Dec 6, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Fuel usage in normal recipes is JaceGasm

languid mulch Dec 6, 2021, 2:14 PM

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That's true tbh

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Ok so the question then is, Aluminum Casings vs Sheets

oblique hollow Dec 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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I think you are better off deciding what recipes for higher tier parts you will use and then decide how many casings / sheets to make

languid mulch Dec 6, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Well

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In this save I've always devoted one node for just one core material, so I'm doing the same with Bauxite

oblique hollow Dec 6, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Sheets are more of a build material

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Casings are used more in products

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Sheets are for base heat sink recipe and conveyors, mostly

languid mulch Dec 6, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Ok that's kinda what I was thinking too now that I've discounted the ingots as-is

oblique hollow Dec 6, 2021, 2:21 PM

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So its "build more stuff" vs "assemble more products"

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Imo sheets first cause mk 5 belt

languid mulch Dec 6, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Always assemble more products, since for building I can't use them as fast as they're going to produce anyway!

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And I'm playing at a leisurely pace, so the stockpiles will build up regardless

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The only thing still in question is the Classic Battery alternate recipe, which uses sheets

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Which is not only more efficient than base battery, but also much less of a pain in the ass

frosty owl Dec 6, 2021, 3:19 PM

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There's nothing to question about that, classic battery is just betterest

vast jungle Dec 6, 2021, 3:21 PM

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I finally cannot delay automating Crystal Oscillators and Radio Control Units anymore...

what are your opinions on the base/alt recipes on them? I am still not convinced which way I should go

frosty owl Dec 6, 2021, 3:23 PM

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Not much of a difference for the oscillators (I use the alt), I think, but the RCU recipe should be decided carefully if you plan for many of those

vast jungle Dec 6, 2021, 3:24 PM

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at the moment I plan to automate them so that I have enough resources for Blenders for a proper (540/min) Oil setup for both Rubber and Plastic.

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the alternative would be to handcraft them (or buy them in the Awesome Shop) and get the oil stuff done first

frosty owl Dec 6, 2021, 3:26 PM

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For a quick setup, you can probably just choose the recipe that is the most convenient to you given your aviable resources ^^

vast jungle Dec 6, 2021, 3:32 PM

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hmm... have to think about this again... would like to keep it "simple"... for certain definitions of simple 😉

frosty owl Dec 6, 2021, 3:36 PM

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Which is exactly why I haven't made any assumptions on which recipe is best for you xD
Depends too much on what's convenient for you to use for them, there's plenty of choices ^^

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 3:39 PM

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rose steeple Anyways if you get me an easily parsable list of all recipes in the game I can t...

What's this about? 🤔 what do you need recipes for? 🤔

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 3:40 PM

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rose steeple Anyways if you get me an easily parsable list of all recipes in the game I can t...

There's the wiki.....

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 3:41 PM

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wintry aurora There's the wiki.....

Does it have an easily parseable list of all items?

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 3:42 PM

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I like to use that list of subjective analysis of recipes as a quick search list sometimes.

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Dunno about parseable though.

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 3:43 PM

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rose steeple Does it have an easily parseable list of all items?

I can give you one once I get hpme, I'm just wondering what you want it for (didn't read the whole conversation)

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 3:43 PM

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Oh wait, you said all items, not all alt recipes.

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 3:44 PM

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wind spade I can give you one once I get hpme, I'm just wondering what you want it for (did...

Well I'd like to give a go on making a recipe analyzer like you guys are doing.
But instead of weird languages I'll go with C++ cuz speed 😉

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 3:44 PM

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There is that drop down category list?....

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 3:45 PM

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rose steeple Well I'd like to give a go on making a recipe analyzer like you guys are doing. ...

The analyser doesn't use any language yet and it would most likely use linear solver anyway, which iirc is written in c

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 3:46 PM

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wind spade The analyser doesn't use any language yet and it would most likely use linear so...

Also I'd like to try to make an editor where you can design a factory.
And maybe in the future make it possible to test it as well

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 3:50 PM

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rose steeple Also I'd like to try to make an editor where you can design a factory. And maybe...

Yeah, fair. I just wanted to clarify, I don't know what "weird language" you talk about when talking about the analyser lol

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 4:08 PM

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wind spade Yeah, fair. I just wanted to clarify, I don't know what "weird language" you tal...

weird languages:
JS
Python
Perl
Ruby
PHP

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:11 PM

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@oblique hollow The refinery is FINALLY fixed, I greatly appreciate the assistance you & others provided with my pipeworks nightmare 🙂

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 4:26 PM

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rose steeple weird languages: JS Python Perl Ruby PHP

None of them were mentioned really

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Also JS is kinda forced if you're talking about web app

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 4:26 PM

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wind spade None of them were mentioned really

Well JS was sorta xD
With the website

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 4:26 PM

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wind spade Also JS is kinda forced if you're talking about web app

Not really anymore 😄
We got WASM

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 4:27 PM

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Yeah but I was talking about solver, which is separate from the website

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It's called via an API

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Anyways the ones I listed was just the common weird languages xD

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 4:28 PM

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rose steeple Not really anymore 😄 We got WASM

Which still requires javascript 🤷

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 4:29 PM

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wind spade Which still requires javascript 🤷

Yeah true, but you don't write that

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 4:29 PM

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If you want to run it on browser/node side

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Also typescript is great, makes javascript pretty good

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 4:30 PM

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wind spade Also typescript is great, makes javascript pretty good

Lets agree to disagree :kekw:

fierce ruin Dec 6, 2021, 4:33 PM

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please don't write websites with wasm
no reason to make web even worse than it is

blissful sky Dec 6, 2021, 4:47 PM

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does someone have setup for 10 nuclears?

fierce ruin Dec 6, 2021, 4:51 PM

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greeny's tools have all the setups you'd ever need

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 4:52 PM

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I think they're asking for layouts.

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@cinder silo Hey, how many nuclears do you have? Dunno if that person is asking for layouts or not.

blissful sky Dec 6, 2021, 4:53 PM

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i would need both

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:53 PM

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wintry aurora <@!226781042147590144> Hey, how many nuclears do you have? Dunno if that person ...

I built for 105 nuclear plants, standard recipe, 1050 encased cells > 21 fuel rods.

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Oh lol, nvm then.

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Unless they want some sort of idea, no matter how big?

cinder silo Dec 6, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Is the current in-progress nuclear & 70% of the stage 2 infrastructure.

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Iron wire for stators & the fuel bridge are the parts I'm building right now.

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 5:19 PM

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wind spade I can give you one once I get hpme, I'm just wondering what you want it for (did...

Btw when do you get home?

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 5:20 PM

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I just got here, having dinner atm, you can DM me

fierce ruin Dec 6, 2021, 5:56 PM

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Makes note in book of when exactly greeny arrives at home.
For... purposes...

wheat spear Dec 6, 2021, 5:56 PM

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fierce ruin *Makes note in book of when exactly greeny arrives at home. For... purposes...*

For Science right???

fierce ruin Dec 6, 2021, 5:56 PM

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Sure 👍

wheat spear Dec 6, 2021, 5:57 PM

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its always about the Science LOL

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 5:59 PM

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fierce ruin *Makes note in book of when exactly greeny arrives at home. For... purposes...*

won't really help you, it was one-time trip, I just went shopping and for dinner xD

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I work from home

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 6:00 PM

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rose steeple Btw when do you get home?

still need it?

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Regarding the diluted (blendered) and diluted packaged fuel conversation this morning (#old-questions-and-help message) about whether one is more costly power wise or not, I looked in greenys calculator and using roughly the same amount that I produce (I forget the exact amount, but I know it's 1600 something or so), diluted packaged https://u4.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=4miePrHYssWFhnca5pHa is actually slightly more energy expensive than diluted blendered https://u4.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=IbjS44V8PuEGl13j7XnF . Not by much though, ~133-150MW difference in the case of 1600/m, so, charly was right on that point.

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 6:10 PM

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150 MW is one gen so 12 fuel less 🤔

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I'd say that's pretty close to equal

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 6:14 PM

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wind spade still need it?

I guess

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 6:15 PM

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Almost negligible I'd say. Maximized out, the difference becomes 2600Mw, but if you're building at THAT scale, such a difference is negligible.

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 6:17 PM

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rose steeple weird languages: JS Python Perl Ruby PHP

There... aren't any not weird languages. 🤔

fierce ruin Dec 6, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Latin is pretty non-weird. 😉

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Have you seen latin? It's weirder'n most.

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How many ways are there to conjugate things?

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Like, c'mon. I'm an adult, I don't wanna spend that much time conjugating.

fierce ruin Dec 6, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Given how many languages are based on it, you could argue it is pretty normal and we all made it weird. 🙃

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Ehhhh. Disagree. 😛

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 6:20 PM

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rose steeple I guess

where's my DM then 😄

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 6:21 PM

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wind spade *where's my DM then* 😄

Was waiting for you to send it xD

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 6:21 PM

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wind spade I just got here, having dinner atm, you can DM me

^

fierce ruin Dec 6, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Gotta follow those instructions better. 😉

iron prairie Dec 6, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Was there a discussion on DPF vs. diluted fuel? When I did the math a couple months back, diluted fuel was a few MJ cheaper. IIRC, I also did some semi-pointless math involving fluid pumps, and found that while technically you can move DPF upwards for free w/ conveyor lifts, you'd need to send it several hundred meters upwards to break even vs. diluted fuel.

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Someowhere, last night, yeah. Someone thought DF was worse than DPF.

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 7:11 PM

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No, that was the conversation this morning (like five hours ago)? It was about power though, not efficiency.

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Could have been two different conversations though.

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 7:13 PM

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I'm referring to one around 12 hours ago. I think it was in #old-questions-and-help though. 🤷‍♂️

iron prairie Dec 6, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Looks like 70 MJ per DPF, 45 MJ per DF. Said player probably forgot how comically expensive packagers are to run.

vast jungle Dec 6, 2021, 7:17 PM

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Damn, building a Diluted Fuel Plastic/Rubber factory is MUCH faster than building something based on Diluted Packaged Fuel ^^

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 7:18 PM

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100%. It surprises me anyone thinks DPF is better beyond "I liek packaged fuel".

vast jungle Dec 6, 2021, 7:20 PM

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DPF looks nice (as a factory) if done right... but it takes a LOT time to build properly aligned

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I just built a 540 Rubber/min. factory... just need a few more belts and the water extractors and its done... only took a few hours

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 7:23 PM

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I actually still use DPF on my small plastic+rubber+gas filter setup because it's small and I haven't bothered changing it over.

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Though if I ever rebuild it or something, I'm certainly gonna use the blender.

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Yeah, I have DPF because I built it before I had DF.

vast jungle Dec 6, 2021, 7:24 PM

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I have a 9 GW DPF powerplant... it helped me to get through Tier 6 and beyond ^^

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 7:40 PM

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instructions unclear, got API stuck in toaster

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Ok time to try make this program 😄

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 7:55 PM

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rose steeple Ok time to try make this program 😄

good luck with solving 2^150 cases in our lifetime 🤷‍♂️

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 7:56 PM

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wind spade good luck with solving 2^150 cases in our lifetime 🤷‍♂️

More like good luck storing 2^150 cases on a 2^40 ssd

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 7:57 PM

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I got 3*2^40 😄

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 7:57 PM

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wind spade I got 3*2^40 😄

😮

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But honestly why generate all cases?

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 7:57 PM

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I mean yeah 2^150 is theoretical maximum, but there will be a lot of invalid cases

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but even like 2^80 is still insanely much

rose steeple Dec 6, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Why not just generate a single value for each item?
And then at runtime use those values to calculate the true result?

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 7:59 PM

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maybe move this to #915743639433527306

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 8:00 PM

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The answer to why not is, like in most cases, "because it's not that simple".

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 8:12 PM

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apparently i implemented css resizing in js

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well it works i guess 😐

empty citrus Dec 6, 2021, 8:14 PM

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does anybody have like a blueprint drawing of the best setup for fuel power?

gloomy palm Dec 6, 2021, 8:16 PM

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best in what way

empty citrus Dec 6, 2021, 8:17 PM

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of power output per oil

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 8:17 PM

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diluted fuel

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empty citrus Dec 6, 2021, 8:18 PM

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will this need a lot of power to start?

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because I'm still using coal...

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 8:19 PM

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10 refineries, 8 blenders and oil pump

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if you don't have blenders, you can do diluted packaged fuel, it's technically the same

empty citrus Dec 6, 2021, 8:20 PM

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in like an hour I will unlock tier 7 and 8 so should be good

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how much fuel generators will this feed?

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 8:21 PM

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66.66666

empty citrus Dec 6, 2021, 8:21 PM

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god dammm

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got to up my automation first then

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is that like a website you use to do that?

hushed sandal Dec 6, 2021, 8:22 PM

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wind spade if you don't have blenders, you can do diluted packaged fuel, it's technically t...

just wondering what did you use to make this?

wind spade Dec 6, 2021, 8:23 PM

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my website

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https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=Y0IslhYF5NGN1HIuAXQd

Satisfactory Tools

A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

hushed sandal Dec 6, 2021, 8:23 PM

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cool!

empty citrus Dec 6, 2021, 8:23 PM

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damm cool website

hushed sandal Dec 6, 2021, 8:24 PM

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I used to use that website, but i stopped playing since before update 4 came out

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glad i could find it again

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 10:13 PM

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@wind spade Minor bug with the calculator, https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=vH0YMrRNjni4VNHZNfsq has a rod and screw box separate from the rest but connected to each other, however, they have 0 production in them. It doesn't affect the thing as a whole, just an oddity.

ashen girder Dec 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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wintry aurora <@!242004363730616322> Minor bug with the calculator, https://www.satisfactoryto...

That's the sacrificial belt. It's there to ensure the others understand what might happen to them if they misbehave.

wintry aurora Dec 6, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Lol.....

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XD

frosty owl Dec 6, 2021, 10:44 PM

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ashen girder That's the sacrificial belt. It's there to ensure the others understand what mig...

Weird how that's close to describing an overflow belt thinking_helmet 😆

surreal dune Dec 6, 2021, 11:27 PM

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I have 12 Outputs of 93.75 = 1,125
& I have 20 Inputs of 56.25 = 1,125
but I have no clue how to do this.
Anyone able to help?

fierce ruin Dec 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Manifold.

surreal dune Dec 6, 2021, 11:28 PM

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that this stuff?

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ah i found them

empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 12:06 AM

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how much power will this produce?

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could 10k MW be correct?

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 12:07 AM

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!wikisearch fuel generators

shadow prairieBOT Dec 7, 2021, 12:07 AM

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https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=fuel generators

Satisfactory Wiki

Special:Search

Search results for 'fuel generators' - Official Satisfactory Wiki

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 12:07 AM

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empty citrus how much power will this produce?

yep

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Thereabouts, yea,

empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 12:08 AM

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and how much will be spend on keeping the machines needed online?

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 12:09 AM

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You can check in the U4 version of the planner, the values haven't changed.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 12:09 AM

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empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 12:10 AM

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wintry aurora You can check in the U4 version of the planner, the values haven't changed.

aah thank you I didn't know

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9,1k that's nice

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 12:10 AM

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Have to copy the values over manually though.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 12:11 AM

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Soon™️

empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 12:11 AM

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I haven't done anything with oil so is 300/min a lot?

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 12:12 AM

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empty citrus I haven't done anything with oil so is 300/min a lot?

nope thats very very low
the HOR and diluted fuel recipes are very efficeint

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 12:12 AM

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It's one normal node at max overclock.

empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 12:12 AM

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alright seems like a realy good way to get power then

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now I just need the components to craft a billion fuel generators

sacred wren Dec 7, 2021, 12:15 AM

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I wrote a NixOS config for hosting a dedicated server.
This might help others with setting it up.
https://gist.github.com/cyber-murmel/692ac72a807848ffb963ac047ef9ed57

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 2:01 AM

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I'm not 100% sure if this is correct or if I've made a mistake. But the tool seems to agree that this is the most sink points you can get (assuming power is free) from the map.

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may interest @viscid shadow ^

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(and also tons of other people I don't want to ping)

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:02 AM

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how many points/min is that?
seems weird that its so low ADS

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 2:02 AM

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uh nvm, that's just base recipes

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ok, updated version with all recipes

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:05 AM

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ye thats also what the other calculator gives

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 2:05 AM

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also here are your points lol

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:06 AM

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yep 191m/min

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but i usually include 50.4 uranium rods in my calculation 🤷

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 2:07 AM

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Interesting.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 2:07 AM

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thorn bane but i usually include 50.4 uranium rods in my calculation 🤷

here's with that included

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 2:08 AM

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How do I use that sink function or is it a WIP and not released on the site yet looks like?

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 2:08 AM

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it's a thing I quickly hacked in because of the sink talk in #old-questions-and-help

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:08 AM

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wind spade here's with that included

oh sorry and 12.6 plutonium fuel rods for sinking (and without instant Pcell and Pfuel unit) 🙂

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 2:08 AM

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wind spade it's a thing I quickly hacked in because of the sink talk in <#55355056699172454...

'k

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 2:08 AM

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may be added to tools later

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:08 AM

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yes pls that would be awesome

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 2:09 AM

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would just need to polish it a bit and give it a nice UI

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 2:10 AM

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thorn bane yes pls that would be awesome

most likely won't be part of the big UI update that I'm planning today or tomorrow. But who knows, maybe I'll add it 🤔

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if not, it would be part of next update

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which also should be out before christmas

thin heath Dec 7, 2021, 4:21 AM

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Is my math wrong? According to the recipes I need a total of 1345 quickwire per/min for this tiny setup up of 6 x Manufactures and 4 Assemblers. 3 x Caterium Computers, 3 x Highspeed Connectors and 4 x A.I. limeters....

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 4:24 AM

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nope thats right
quickwire is the screws of lategame

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Crystal Computer ftw

thin heath Dec 7, 2021, 4:25 AM

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thorn bane nope thats right quickwire is the screws of lategame

Thats mental man. To do any kind of large scale production you got to have like tens of thousands of QW being produced....

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:26 AM

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thin heath Thats mental man. To do any kind of large scale production you got to have like ...

This depends on recipe choice tbh.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 4:26 AM

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my setup

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:27 AM

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I really don't get the hype of Ct Computers, but I'll admit it's probably just because of how much I see in the Crystal variant.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 4:28 AM

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cause 580 caterium > 771 quartz + 314 caterium per computer

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the amount of quartz is just not worth

thin heath Dec 7, 2021, 4:30 AM

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I guess if you have a large setup of C.Osilators then the Crystal computers are a great idea.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 4:30 AM

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you just feed the fused quickwire directly into the computer manufacturers

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:30 AM

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You're assuming any Ct used in the Crystal setup for 1.
Also the way Crystal PCs ratio into further recipes is just too perfect for me to ignore.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 4:31 AM

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well yes cause caterium circuit boards and insulated crystal oscillator

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even without caterium boards you still have insulated crystal oscillators

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:31 AM

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I was typing to the effect of Insulated Oscillator.
How you do your CBs is up to the person.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 4:32 AM

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well i think using 200 caterium to save 700 quartz is worth

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:33 AM

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I don't fault you for that.
I don't have much else I use Qtz on. Majority of it goes into Oscillators.

ashen girder Dec 7, 2021, 4:39 AM

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Silicon boards are where it's at.

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:40 AM

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Fair.

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Most of my Ct goes to Boards and AILs.

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 4:41 AM

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if you have two 780 belts pulling from a isc, is the output actually 1560, or is there some weird internal lag which lowers it down

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i remember something about engine limits on belt speeds and that's why there's nothing over a 780 individual belt, but idr if that also affects double pulls from the same location

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:42 AM

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For the first segment you get 1560.
The more segments of mk5 you have the more throughput you lose.

ashen girder Dec 7, 2021, 4:42 AM

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ISCs are weird in how they handle mixed materials.

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:42 AM

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^ that too

ashen girder Dec 7, 2021, 4:42 AM

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If it's all the same, it should work as expected.

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(With the limitations on mk5 belts noted as expected here )

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 4:42 AM

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it's a short run, maybe 6 manufacturers long, doubt there'd be that much loss per distance, unless it treats splitters as "new" belts

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:43 AM

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I just treat all mk5s as 750's when I actually care about per-minute precision. Works fine.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 4:43 AM

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near zenith if you have two 780 belts pulling from a isc, is the output actually 1560, or is...

780 slows down over segments, ISC is also weird sometimes

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 4:43 AM

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fierce ruin I just treat all mk5s as 750's when I actually care about per-minute precision. ...

i like this thinking

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:44 AM

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Keeping in 750 they always behave. Pushing to 780 you'll lose 5-10 in your accuracy and it can throw off precise systems.

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 4:44 AM

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can also probably change my two isc deep buffer into a double stack of single outputs

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also, 750 is such a nicer number to do math with, 780, ugh

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:46 AM

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765 would probably be my upper limit tbh.

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Sticks with how much is based on 45 nicely.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 4:46 AM

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fierce ruin 765 would probably be my upper limit tbh.

ye i go for that roughly

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 4:46 AM

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Trying to do even hundreds is LOOOOOOL for machine precision.

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Just do 90 and save yourself the headache.

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:55 AM

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near zenith it's a short run, maybe 6 manufacturers long, doubt there'd be that much loss pe...

The splitters actually help in that scenario
Eg: if you output 780 from a miner to a sink with >1 belt segments the miner will eventually back up. If you have a splitter/merger/ISC (anything with a buffer) between each segments instead, the miner won't back up

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Just a FYI jace_smile

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 4:57 AM

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huh, how bout that, thanks for the tip

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:58 AM

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It's "just" the belt-belt connections that cause issues, apparently

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 4:59 AM

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yea, i've seen some interesting graphical glitches happening there, good to know

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:11 AM

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Alt recipe chances

crystal charm Dec 7, 2021, 6:59 AM

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anyone know a rough distance that a tractor can travel with coal as fuel?

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 7:01 AM

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coal has 300 MJ * 100 stack size, tractor uses 55 MJ/s and travels at max speed of 55km/h = 15.3 m/s. So 30000/55*15.3 gives 8.5km at max speed. Replace 15.3 with estimate average speed to see how much it gives

crystal charm Dec 7, 2021, 7:03 AM

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hmm, it's using the slightly circuitous route from grasslands to the western oil fields, atm with 1 refuelling station only, i made the path using an explorer, gonna build a tractor soon and test it out

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 7:04 AM

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but basically if it does half of max speed on average, you can do half max distance, which is 4.25km

crystal charm Dec 7, 2021, 7:06 AM

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oh, damn, i thought any vehicle path would be loadable by other vehicles

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apparently not

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 7:07 AM

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yeah each vehicle can only do it's own paths

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I guess to prevent cheesing the system

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you would drive path with one vehicle and then use another vehicle for which the path is impossible to drive

crystal charm Dec 7, 2021, 7:07 AM

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it sort of made sense to me, let the explorer find the path, and the tractor then follows it

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oh yeah, the explorer can easily traverse certain hills and stuff

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path length 6856m fuel per trip, 75 coal

rose steeple Dec 7, 2021, 7:42 AM

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wind spade coal has 300 MJ * 100 stack size, tractor uses 55 MJ/s and travels at max speed ...

Damn I was thinking between 8 and 10km xD

crystal charm Dec 7, 2021, 7:44 AM

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i just made a tractor path on the same as the explorer, no problems, less fuel, and now i'm gonna start trucking some plastic and rubber back to the main base

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ah, i just got hit by my own pathing truck and yeeted under the map

crystal charm Dec 7, 2021, 8:12 AM

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is it possible to make all the things close to 100% efficient in a single starter area?

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or would you need to branch out further for more iron/copper etc cause the base isn't enough

rose steeple Dec 7, 2021, 8:13 AM

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crystal charm or would you need to branch out further for more iron/copper etc cause the base ...

I guess it depends on where your base is located

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For instance there are two locations in the northern forest where you have 4 and 6 pure iron nodes next to each other, then there are other locations where you might find 1 or 2 impure iron nodes.

crystal charm Dec 7, 2021, 8:26 AM

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my mate started us in the grasslands, impure everywhere

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my last solo build was in northern forest and i found the 4 pure iron nodes, it was glorious

rose steeple Dec 7, 2021, 8:40 AM

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crystal charm my last solo build was in northern forest and i found the 4 pure iron nodes, it ...

Yes that's where I started because it has 4 pure iron nodes, 2 pure copper nodes, 2 pure quartz nodes, 2 pure limestone nodes and 1 pure coal node very close 😄

vast jungle Dec 7, 2021, 10:00 AM

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I started my first SF session there... sometimes the node density is a little bit much, not enough space to build nice factories around these nodes... and always the thought "I should really disable my mini-megabase there to build something efficient" 😉

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 12:13 PM

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wind spade I'm not 100% sure if this is correct or if I've made a mistake. But the tool see...

Ngl, I would have been quite disappointed if this actually happened to be the final meta for points tired_jace jacelul

teal wraith Dec 7, 2021, 1:13 PM

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hi everyone, does anyone know an easy way to split inputs in order to fed each foundry with just the exact amount of input they need instead of going to overflow? For example, I need to split a main bus of 55 items/min into just 2 lines, 1 of 30/min and the other with 25/min but its a pain in the ass to calculate the appropriate percentages with the 50/50 or 33/33/33 splitters and unions

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 1:22 PM

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yeah that's why a lot of people use manifolds. Though you said you don't want to use them 🤷‍♂️

stark bronze Dec 7, 2021, 1:23 PM

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30 and 25 is 6:5, a 11 part split
So just use x2x2x3 to get 12 and merge one back

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I mastered the balance yet I only do the fold

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 1:27 PM

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crystal charm oh, damn, i thought any vehicle path would be loadable by other vehicles

This part was explicitly stated by the devs multiple times that paths are tied to vehicle type 🤷‍♂️

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 2:00 PM

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teal wraith hi everyone, does anyone know an easy way to split inputs in order to fed each f...

If possible, I prefer adjusting the clocks so I don't have to do any "bothersome" balancing (eg:60/min>30/min>15/min>10/min.... in order of how easy it is to get that amount)
Else you should probably look up the pictures on balancing in the wiki 😅

sullen bone Dec 7, 2021, 2:35 PM

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im stuck in a loop that i dont want to be stuck in. i need power to make power

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and im using 550/600

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and the other crap has to stay online

foggy jay Dec 7, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Geysers

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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More biomass burners?

sullen bone Dec 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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Im on coal

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But i need to make quickwire

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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just get some nukes lul so ez

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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More coal generators then, you’ll have to isolate the power section from the rest though.

sullen bone Dec 7, 2021, 2:36 PM

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alright

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I have one word for you, just one word:
batteries

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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you get those later though

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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naturally, by "batteries" one nearly always means power storage

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and it's exactly near the coal.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:45 PM

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fierce ruin naturally, by "batteries" one nearly always means power storage

yes
i know
thats the last milestone in tier 4

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theres a difference between first milestone and last milestone

foggy jay Dec 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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but hes at 3 and 4 because of the coal right

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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except milestones aren't particularly ordered

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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well it costs 200 steel pipes so im guessing you need the steel first

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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you'd need steel, but you'd need it for stators anyway

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:46 PM

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sure but thats way later than coal power

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 2:47 PM

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nah, no milestones at the same space phase are "way later" from each other

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slightly later - sure

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if, after unlocking steel, you refuse to have some amount of steel production going - then naturally it'll be a problem for unlocking other stuff

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but why would you do that?

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:48 PM

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i think time wise its like 50% more id guess

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youre talking about a person that just got coal so he doesnt have that much time spend in the game

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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he's talking about "must have power to make power" problem, which isn't really something that easily happens with just coal.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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yes? miners + water pumps

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 2:50 PM

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I don't see much ways to spend ~600MW on something that's both not iron and not steel

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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rotors and RIPs?

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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thorn bane rotors and RIPs?

that's iron

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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so?

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Just build a bunch of biomass burners at that stage to buffer.

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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meaning, you automated them and now you can expand your coal power easily

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:51 PM

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still means he doesnt have steel yet

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so he cant use power storages

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600MW is actually the minimum i usually recommend but thats kinda assuming you dont waste power

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Maybe ask what he has.

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 2:53 PM

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he wrote 550/600

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Oooor just pray xd

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I write production down inside my factories with signs

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So basically i turned my game into my excel sheet. A very decentralized excel sheet

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 3:09 PM

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if you arent hand calculating production chains, are you really playing?

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scribble your madness in a notebook like a real crazy person

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you have walls around you don't you, that's free real estate

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 3:11 PM

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excel is great
but you can also use tools like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production
thats what ive moved onto after my excel sheet got messy

Satisfactory Tools

A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

warm sphinx Dec 7, 2021, 3:45 PM

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M guys i think im going crazy, iron alloy ignot (2 copper and 2 iron for 5 ingots) with solid steel (2 iron ingots and 2 coal) for 3 steel, so with 4 iron ore, 4 copper ore and 10 coal produce 15 steel ingots

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 3:45 PM

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oblique hollow I write production down inside my factories with signs

~~Imagine having to do the same for colors too~~
#screenshots message

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 3:47 PM

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oblique hollow I write production down inside my factories with signs

I started doing that 😄

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I show the inputs as well at that end of the factory so I can keep easy track of production chains.

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 3:53 PM

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How did you change text color?

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Bruh, I put signs on individual belts sometimes jacelul

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 3:54 PM

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wintry aurora How did you change text color?

The color options are the first ones in the signs' menu. There's up to 3 iirc, for text, background 1 and background 2

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 3:54 PM

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wintry aurora How did you change text color?

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 3:54 PM

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wintry aurora How did you change text color?

OHHHH. I wondered what that was for.

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 3:54 PM

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The first colour altered the text (small billboard)

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 3:55 PM

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frosty owl Bruh, I put signs on individual belts sometimes <:jacelul:489777945909526528>

its actually so nice for sushi xD

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 3:55 PM

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What about fonts? I know there's unicode stuff that was done, but I don't know unicode.

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 3:55 PM

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No font options (yet?)

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 3:55 PM

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I haven't seen anything for fonts.

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 3:55 PM

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cinder silo The first colour altered the text (small billboard)

They really need a lot of intermediate signs. :P

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 3:56 PM

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Luckily, you can combine them interestingly

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 3:56 PM

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So many that implementing resizeable signs might be easier.

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 3:56 PM

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True

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 3:56 PM

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frosty owl Luckily, you can combine them interestingly

Yea, but I don't want to have to edit every single piece.

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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thorn bane its actually so nice for sushi xD

I'll have a few nice screenshots regarding that soon™️ 😏

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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As for the factory itself, as a manifold it's taking an age to fill this time, good thing the stator factory down the line doesn't have steel just yet 🙂

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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They're aso lacking a questionmark symbol, I mean, if you have exclaimation mark, it seems obvious.

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 3:57 PM

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frosty owl I'll have a few nice screenshots regarding that soon™️ 😏

I look forward to seeing them, any new idea's good 🙂

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 3:58 PM

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cinder silo As for the factory itself, as a manifold it's taking an age to fill this time, g...

Come to the dark side, we have load balanced lines yes

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 3:59 PM

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Thats what my infrastructure is at now, I still need to do copper ingots & plates, and steel pipes to start producing fuel cells 😵‍💫

thorn bane Dec 7, 2021, 3:59 PM

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i once was a young apprentice just like you

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 3:59 PM

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frosty owl Come to the dark side, we have load balanced lines <:yes:459767091105628181>

I don't think I could wrap my head around load balancing for using all the worlds uranium with default recipe's like I'm doing now with bog standard manifolds.

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:00 PM

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It's all about how you set up and divide the factories and processes 😉

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:01 PM

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I did that with having every building for it's own job, in some cases that's 50-80 machines.

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I'm going to have to sink uranium fuel initially as well, I have no provision for storing the waste so the reprocessing facility needs to be designed.

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I did originally have a massive tomb setup only to tear it down with uranium waste reprocessing being available.

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 4:03 PM

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Temporary storage might be neccesary? I mean, you're going to have to test run.

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Of course, I know nothing about nuclear setup and it's not first time for you.

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:04 PM

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With the sink doing it's thing I can monitor the whole fuel production line to see if it holds up, same as what's happening now with the encased cells, that's been running smooth as silk.

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:05 PM

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cinder silo I did that with having every building for it's own job, in some cases that's 50-...

In those scenarios, if I wanted to just reduce the waiting times in a simple manner, I would balance most of the input and overflow the rest to the remaining machines (either with weird clocks or the ones that would make splitting the input hard)
Eg: 69 smelters for ingots. I split the iron (assuming 2 starting lines) five times to get 64 lines (simplest balancing, much compact) and add a smart splitter before the balancing to feed the remaining 5 smelters via manifold or whatnot

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:05 PM

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Also the visuals, this is the design for my fuel bridge, there will be another just like it carrying waste, over the void 😄

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:07 PM

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frosty owl In those scenarios, if I wanted to just *reduce* the waiting times in a simple m...

69 smelters? my aluminium plants 144 smelters going full tilt with six outputs 😄

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In a way I do wish there were WAY faster belts so I don't end up with giant parallels like that.

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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Little difference ^^
Split 5 times to 128 lines, overflow to the remaining 16

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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Game can't take it from what I understand 😦

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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It's actually easier to balance than 69 xD

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:08 PM

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cinder silo Game can't take it from what I understand 😦

What do you mean?

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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Some error with faster than mk5 belts, hell even mk5's aren't perfect.

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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I know, but what's the issue with that and balancing?

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:09 PM

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That 144 smelters are fed in groups of twelve, merging to six outputs.

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:10 PM

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frosty owl I know, but what's the issue with that and balancing?

Ahh sorry I went off on a bit of a tangent there 😦

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I'm going to have to give load balancing another shot, I failed it hard with my starter factories, I just don't know how to make them compact, or in some cases make the numbers work.

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In the end it's why I went manifold nuts.

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Like the trains>trucks>drones naa all belts thing, my gameplay has actually suffered some because I'm missing out in that way.

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:11 PM

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Overall, you can avoid all throughput bugs by limiting the use of maxed belts to 1 segment only, everywhere. So:
-Miners on pure nodes must be split within 1 belts segment from their output
-Never merge items up to 780/min for longer than 1 belt segment
(Mergers/splitters/ISCs and anything with a buffer can divide 2 belt segments, it's the belt-belt connections that cause issues)

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:14 PM

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cinder silo I'm going to have to give load balancing another shot, I failed it hard with my ...

Some splits can be madness to achieve. I think it's worth doing only in some situations, depending on how much effort you're willing to put and how easy are the numbers you're dealing with. Mixed approaches of balancing and overflowing/manifolding can give great results (good reduction of waiting times) for relatively little effort (much less thinking and beltwork required than "pure" balancing")
Just my opinion on balancing

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:14 PM

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Ouch damn, I have some belts that are like four kilometres, and that isn't an exaggeration 😦

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 4:14 PM

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The more belt segments, the bigger the "loss" of item/min can be 😅

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Loss of max throughput *

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 4:16 PM

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My longest range bauxite from mine to refinery according to scim is 3.9km.

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When I built all of this I didn't know loss of throughput was a thing.

empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 5:13 PM

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So I'm making fuel power and in this video he has his pipes 1 lower than the generators and 1 pump for each fuel generator why?

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:16 PM

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because they like wasting power I guess 🤷‍♂️

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feed pipes from top, easy

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also post to one channel only

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:18 PM

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Literal useless setup

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Valves would do just as much

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 5:19 PM

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Definitely not how I'd do fuel even though I often feed pipes from below.

empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 5:21 PM

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like this? or de they need valves

thorn aspen Dec 7, 2021, 5:21 PM

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how do i do math of m3/minute of drones on 2km distance 😛

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 5:25 PM

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empty citrus like this? or de they need valves

this is how my fuel are often piped in, or most large scale fluids because I can have the mass of plumbing underneath a platform.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:26 PM

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feeding fluids from above is better iirc

empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 5:26 PM

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for fuel is it like conveyers? where you need to equally split them or just have everything connected?

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:26 PM

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you don't need to split equally

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not for belts, not for pipes

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 5:27 PM

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It's really looks and ease of organisation, I learned the hard way pipes can be fickle with my aluminium refinery.

empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 5:30 PM

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but will my setup work just the same as yours?

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:30 PM

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should

empty citrus Dec 7, 2021, 5:31 PM

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alright thank you

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:34 PM

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thorn aspen how do i do math of m3/minute of drones on 2km distance 😛

Canisters / min is same as m3/min

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Just let it transport them and then see how much you get

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:37 PM

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so my plans for world domination are at hand. presently im setting up a large number of fuel generators, using alternate recipes. Presently i will (hypothetically) have 5850 Heavy oil residue from making plastic and rubber. i need to evenly distribute the HOR in a way that wont have any one item OVER achieving in a sense.

presently i will need the HOR to go into turbo fuel at a rate of 30/minute, Petroleum Coke at 40/minute, and Fuel at 50/minute. How would i best go about sorting that out?

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:38 PM

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fluids can't really be load balanced, so just connect it in whatever way makes sense to you

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:38 PM

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tired_jace

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i hate fluid

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:39 PM

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I usually recommend connecting them in groups, e.g. 3:4 or something, based on the ratio between them

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:39 PM

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i no joke have a notebook out and have been trying to figure out a way that will make sense.

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like. trying to, in some capacity, load balance it.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:41 PM

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load balancing in satisfactory is pretty much never needed

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:42 PM

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i must maximize. its gonna be my lifes work

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:42 PM

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you can maximise even without load balancing

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:42 PM

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world domination is a must.

river night Dec 7, 2021, 5:44 PM

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the only way to get any concept of load balancing with pipes would be with using valves to restrict flow, but that also has the problem that flow can be a bit inconsistent, and if you limit flow, it can never catch up again if it ever dropped a bit, so its often worse then just connecting everything together and making sure you have enough supply

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:45 PM

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river night the only way to get any concept of load balancing with pipes would be with using...

ok. i think ill wing it and see what happens lmao. Im trying to get a kickstart to my power since update 5 ruined my trains i had plenty of time to fix, and didnt. so now im making a new mega factory and just trying to jumpstart some power.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:46 PM

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yeah, with the fluid loss bug on save load, balancing with valves wouldn't work

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:52 PM

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rugged rampart like. trying to, in some capacity, load balance it.

Load balancing fluids isnt needed with overflow. And it also gives you no extra benefits like with belts

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:52 PM

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oblique hollow Load balancing fluids isnt needed with overflow. And it also gives you no extra ...

if my plastic and rubber machines overflow with HOR then i wont get any more of them? so i dont want that?

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:52 PM

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The only thing you need to do is balance your inouts

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:53 PM

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rugged rampart if my plastic and rubber machines overflow with HOR then i wont get any more of ...

Why should they?
You know how many of those you have, so you know how much HOR you make

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So you know how much you need to dispose

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:53 PM

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thats why im trying to load balance as much as i can.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Why would load balancing help with that

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:54 PM

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just sink the extra plastic instead

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so that they always work

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:54 PM

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wind spade just sink the extra plastic instead

thats the plan, im worried about the oil residue. if that backs up the machine stops

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Then dont make it back up

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:55 PM

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why would it back up

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:55 PM

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You know the PRECISE number you produce

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:55 PM

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if you make it in ratio

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 5:55 PM

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Yeah, just have enough refineries.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:55 PM

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If you set up machines that consume X amount of HOR, there is no problem

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:55 PM

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thats what im doing right now. is figuring out how to distribue the amount of HOR im making into further product so i can make turbo fuel

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:56 PM

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Well the only further products really is fuel

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Or coke

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With alts it a bit different but these are your main HOR products

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:56 PM

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turbofuel alt recipe.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:56 PM

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Turbo Heavy?

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:57 PM

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yeah.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:57 PM

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Well whats the issue there

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You know how much one turbo heavy refinery consumes

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 5:57 PM

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i have 3 things i need to sink it into and i want to evenly distribute it

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i dont wanna sink a bunch into petroleum coke and then wonder why that portion of my factory is backed up.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 5:58 PM

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Then just use a valve to limit the amount going into each "section" of your production.

If you need 230 HOR in total to make turbo, set a valve to 230

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And then that goes to your turbo heavy refineries

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 5:59 PM

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I still don't understand your issue.

figure out your products (e.g. I want 200 fuel, 50 turbofuel and 300 petroleum coke)
figure out how much HOR you need (e.g. 5000)
make a group of HOR refineries that produce enough HOR for fuel, connect them to fuel refineries
repeat for all HOR targets

done, finished, no balancing needed, nothing to worry about

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:00 PM

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Fluid balancing at BEST is simply setting a valve limit for a main pipe going to a production line

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The rest is overflow / manifolding

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 6:01 PM

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oblique hollow Fluid balancing at BEST is simply setting a valve limit for a main pipe going to...

and even that doesn't really help much with anything

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:01 PM

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It works decently well

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If you ignore the fluid bug

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 6:01 PM

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which shouldn't be ignored 😄

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 6:01 PM

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i want a maximum amount of turbofuel. but i dont know how far i can push that number while making sure it runs at 100% efficiency.

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or as close as i can.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 6:02 PM

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efficiency isn't related to balancing

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 6:02 PM

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????

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:02 PM

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rugged rampart i want a maximum amount of turbofuel. but i dont know how far i can push that nu...

Why not.
Its a game of
"5850 HOR - ( X times consumption per refinery)"

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 6:02 PM

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even with manifolds you can easily reach max efficiency

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Solve for X

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 6:02 PM

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rugged rampart i want a maximum amount of turbofuel. but i dont know how far i can push that nu...

4000 turbo fuel uses half of the worlds sulphur supply if you're using the classic recipe, that's only two pure & two normal oil wells.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 6:03 PM

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manifolds do not decrease efficiency, same as load balancing doesn't increase efficiency. Efficiency is simply [number of items provided]/[number of items needed]. If you provide enough, you reach 100% efficiency

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:03 PM

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the only thing that changes is "time until everything runs smoothly"

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machines need to fill, so what

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 6:04 PM

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ok so the recipe im using is "turbo blend fuel"

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the goal is to make as much of that as i can.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:04 PM

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ah now thats easier to solve

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you dont know how much HOR to make into fuel, yes?

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what fuel recipe do you use

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 6:05 PM

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i need to make sure that i dont OVER produce any 1 item involved in the END result.

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 6:05 PM

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oblique hollow what fuel recipe do you use

"diluted fuel"

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:05 PM

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thats easy enough then

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 6:05 PM

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rugged rampart i need to make sure that i dont OVER produce any 1 item involved in the END resu...

then build just enough refineries lol

fierce ruin Dec 7, 2021, 6:05 PM

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Very straightforward.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 6:06 PM

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if 10 refineries produce exactly the amount of materials you need, then you would never overproduce if you built exactly 10 refineries

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 6:07 PM

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wind spade then build just enough refineries lol

thats not the issue im encountering. i need to make sure that i dont sink the Heavy Oil Residue into too much of 1 item. so its not as simple as "i need 3 items made with the HOR so just take my current number and divide by 3" that would make 1 of the items over produce and cause the factory to back up.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:07 PM

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15 fuel needed,
diluted turns one HOR into two fuel.
so you need 30 + 7,5 HOR for 45 turbofuel.
as for the coke: 1 HOR = 3 coke.
so thats 7,5 extra HOR
in total, you need 45 HOR for 45 Turbofuel

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easy peasy 1 to 1

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 6:09 PM

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rugged rampart thats not the issue im encountering. i need to make sure that i dont sink the He...

each box consumes only the amount it gets. You never sink more than needed. The issue is non-existent

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(numbers are just example, works with any)

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:10 PM

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machines dont "overconsume"

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as soon as they are full, thats it, they wont accept more. the rest of the HOR goes to the next machine

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if you want you exact ratios, its:
out of 45 HOR needed for 45 Turbo,
66.666% goes directly into the blender
16.666% go into making fuel and
16.666% go into making coke

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 6:13 PM

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ok bet, thank you.

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 6:19 PM

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Turbo blend uses less sulphur right?

rugged rampart Dec 7, 2021, 6:20 PM

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yes.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:20 PM

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less than normal but it also need more oil than normal

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 6:22 PM

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I'll revisit my turbo fuel plant in the future, it is a truly archaic monstrosity, and it has buffers! , buffers I tell you! , I probably could do with modernising it when I have an idea what coffee stain will do to the spire coast 🙂

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:22 PM

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buffers arent that evil

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my turbofuel plant has 2 buffers in use!

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Two!

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Mine has closer to eighty two split amongst the fuel & turbo fuel in & outfeed.

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Old pic, but Buffers!

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:24 PM

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ok thats a bit more ew xd

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i wouldnt use more than.... 8

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Old mindset, archaic build, it does need revisiting 🙂

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Those things in the form of tank farms are one reason the turbo station is so ungodly huge, and it was built back in U3

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You can see the layout here, there are two floors, each buffer set is double stacked on each floor.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:26 PM

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hehe U3, back when packagers didnt exist

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 6:28 PM

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The packager was added halfway through U3 lifecycle iirc, I haven't revisited it's water works since U4 release so all the pipes from 40 extractors are misaligned.

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The spire coast changes being unknown have put me way off updating the place.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:29 PM

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cinder silo The packager was added halfway through U3 lifecycle iirc, I haven't revisited it...

well halfway to U4 rather

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 6:29 PM

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🙂

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Feeding that place with twelve conveyor belts bringing in coal & sulphur is what got me started with the tunnelling, I couldn't find a very clean way of moving so much mass across the map without high altitude sky bridges and I dislike those 😵‍💫

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:36 PM

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cinder silo Feeding that place with twelve conveyor belts bringing in coal & sulphur is what...

be like me and feed it with 20 factory carts instead jace_smile

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 6:36 PM

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I haven't used a factory cart, I take it they still load at truck stops.

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 6:36 PM

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yes

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they have an anstonishing 1 (ONE) inventory slots!

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Having dozens of those zipping around would make a factory floor more like an amazon warehouse!

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Three projects demanding my time, copper plant for ingots & sheets, steel plant for pipes & some beams, or the ficsmas factory.

teal bolt Dec 7, 2021, 7:23 PM

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how much turbofuel you get out of blender from 1 pure

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 7:24 PM

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1 pure oil node?

frosty owl Dec 7, 2021, 7:24 PM

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~~1 pure fuel recipe~~

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 7:25 PM

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lets see.... 300 oil makes 400 HOR.
400 HOR = 400 Turbofuel, with diluted fuel and Turbo Blend Fuel

teal bolt Dec 7, 2021, 7:44 PM

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thx

reef belfry Dec 7, 2021, 7:51 PM

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any hints on which iron plate recipe to use? basic, coated, steel coated?

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 7:53 PM

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steel coated are technically most resource efficient if you want to use a bit of oil and coal to save tons of iron

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but otherwise it's really up to you

reef belfry Dec 7, 2021, 7:56 PM

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yeah I was thinking about steel, since I started new save for U5 and I wanna go for max efficiency on everything

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 7:57 PM

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that really depends. Some people prefer local efficiency over global (meaning resources are weighted based on availability around the factory, not all over the map)

reef belfry Dec 7, 2021, 8:02 PM

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usually first thing I do in new map is build what I call "minifab", it creates a bit of everything up to HMF and all its output goes toward storage, and then I go for megafab, so global efficiency is what I'm aiming at

cinder silo Dec 7, 2021, 8:05 PM

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reef belfry usually first thing I do in new map is build what I call "minifab", it creates a...

I've done something similar, early enough that half the fabs machines are sitting directly on the ground and don't get changed out until after I unlock fuel.

reef belfry Dec 7, 2021, 8:06 PM

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I build my minifab nicely since I don't plan on dismantling it, eventually it will just siphon ores from megafab untill basic materials storage fills up and then go idle

candid tundra Dec 7, 2021, 9:05 PM

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I think that's one interesting thing about this game that actually took me a while to figure out. Resource optimization really does not matter at all until you've gotten to the endgame, and even then it's more like "effort" optimization. It only really matters once you start making something that's going to use a significant portion of the map. Unlike Factorio where a) optimization is easy because there's no alternates, and b) limited resources mean you don't want to waste them, so you want to always maintain efficiency.

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However, just because it doesn't matter, doesn't mean it's not fun xD

ashen girder Dec 7, 2021, 9:09 PM

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wind spade steel coated are technically most resource efficient if you want to use a bit of...

Meanwhile, Coke Steel: "Am I nothing to you?!"

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I don't think steel coated plates makes a huge amount of sense without coke steel, personally.

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But together, they completely eliminate iron ingots. 😂

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 9:10 PM

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using steel from oil to replace steel from oil

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 9:10 PM

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ashen girder Meanwhile, Coke Steel: "Am I nothing to you?!"

yes, solid steel 😛

ashen girder Dec 7, 2021, 9:10 PM

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If you're smelting iron, you may as well flatten it too.

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I'll just hang out over here, without any iron.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 9:11 PM

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yeah, coke steel is decent 🙂

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6.8 iron to 18 reinforced plates

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(well, and extra 9.5 oil)

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 9:13 PM

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YOU SEPERATED OUT THE BACK AND FORTH ARROWS?!!

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 9:13 PM

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yay

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 9:13 PM

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you're giving me so many ui gifts this season sir

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 9:13 PM

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it's from development version, not yet published

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 9:13 PM

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smh

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 9:13 PM

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soon™️ tho

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 9:13 PM

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you will be giving me *

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also, side note, did you just get luck with that specific chain, or have you also figured out a way to not let the graph edges cross each other

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 9:15 PM

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no I just moved nodes around

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 9:15 PM

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cause i definitally don't spend more time uncrossing edges than i do planning what i want built

candid tundra Dec 7, 2021, 9:15 PM

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I'm pretty sure it's impossible for some production lines

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 9:15 PM

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(please let me stop)

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though, im pretty sure that's breaking into some angry graph theory algorithms which we dont want to mess with lol

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 9:16 PM

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there's a way to make them not cross (or cross the least amount) but that involves edges that are multi segmented and that isn't supported by the visualisation library I'm using

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 9:46 PM

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With really complex stuff, especially things that go to lots of stuff like water or pipes, it's probably impossible to make them not cross, though it should be possble to keep groupings together.

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 9:58 PM

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yea, this is also super totally a me problem, because i keep making sftools find solutions to 3 barely connected production chains at once and then get mad when the input waternode has like, 7 outgoing connections to refineries

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:04 PM

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I fear for my life asking this question, but can anyone point me in the direction of a... 7:7 balancer? Manifolds are not an option

wintry aurora Dec 7, 2021, 10:05 PM

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Check Reddit. Wiki might have a link in the balancer page.

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:10 PM

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mortal linden I fear for my life asking this question, but can anyone point me in the directio...

just a question, why don't you connect the belts 1:1?

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Unfortunately I've spent awhile looking and found nothing, and experimenting in game is making my head go numb

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:11 PM

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wind spade just a question, why don't you connect the belts 1:1?

because the inputs may not be provided resources evenly

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:11 PM

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satisfactory doesn't have variable production 🤔

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:11 PM

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tl;dr; it's trains, so the throughput may not be matched perfectly between each station

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 10:12 PM

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uh yeah... train balancers are...... a difficult thing

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:12 PM

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mhm mhm

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:12 PM

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buffers should solve that

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 10:12 PM

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you either settle for a 7x7 balancer matrix oooor an "overflow manifold matrix"

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there is no simple solution to this issue

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:14 PM

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bah, easy solutions are never very fun anyways

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but a 7x7 balancer was what I was asking for

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 10:14 PM

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big ol industrial storage container buffer imo

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 10:14 PM

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i may be misremembering what the 7 x 7 does though....

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 10:15 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/TnomMFk

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Satisfactory Balancers

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that only goes up to 6x6, but should be logically extendable

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 10:15 PM

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bless soft clearance

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:15 PM

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I have 7 stations, station 1 may not provide any resources in the time that the other 6 do, so I want them to compensate buffers won't do because I want the facilities to handle max rates anyways, buffers would never fill

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 10:16 PM

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mortal linden I have 7 stations, station 1 may not provide any resources in the time that the ...

do you feed in 1580 per minute into the first station?

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cause trains should show achievable throughput now

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:17 PM

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mortal linden bah, easy solutions are never very fun anyways

well you can just do buffers at train stations, but if you don't want easy 🤷‍♂️

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 10:17 PM

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it wont exactly be that, but you can definitely get more than 780 out of it

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the buffers are just meant to compensate those 20 seconds of loading / unloading

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 10:17 PM

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oblique hollow the buffers are just meant to compensate those 20 seconds of loading / unloading

the fact that trains completely pause during that period pisses me off to no end omfg

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 10:18 PM

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its a design decision to solve a race condition, apparently

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:18 PM

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since each of the stations produce the given amount on average, adding buffer to each one will eventually make everything work at 100%

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 10:19 PM

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ahhhhhh, ok, yea, i can see that being a problem actually

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i rescind my previous rage, and downgrade it to irk

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:20 PM

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also now that I'm thinking about it, the balancer is not really needed anyway.

if one station doesn't provide items, then you're only getting 6/7 of the required items, hence only 6/7ths of production buildings will run. So it doesn't matter if one row doesn't run at all, or all rows run at 6/7 of capacity, you're still getting the same number of output items

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:20 PM

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the issue comes into play at the output of the facilities

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I don't want one set of machines producing more/less than any other

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for alternative reasons

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:21 PM

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it will only be temporary anyway, before buffers fill up

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after some time it will get into a state where all rows run at 100%

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 10:21 PM

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over a long enough period of time any variation in train output will smooth out

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don't sit with a clicker on your outputs, just go make another factory and distract yourself

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:22 PM

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I suppose so, but I figured a balancer would ensure full safety

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:23 PM

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near zenith don't sit with a clicker on your outputs, just go make another factory and distr...

Hard when my factory is the size of the map but I gotcha

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:24 PM

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basically, if one delivery of items is delayed, the machine doesn't run for a few seconds/minutes. But that seconds/minutes of extra production at the source doesn't disappear. It's still waiting to be transported, so next transfer will have more items than needed and buffer will fill a bit. If it ever is delayed again, it will use the buffer instead. But logically the buffer should never run out (or if it does, it then gets filled even more, which again reduces the chance of the buffer running out, even with delays).

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:24 PM

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wind spade basically, if one delivery of items is delayed, the machine doesn't run for a fe...

Oh you clever goose

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"But that seconds/minutes of extra production at the source doesn't disappear"

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that's the key info I was overlooking

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Thank you ❤️

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:26 PM

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yeah, if you delay delivery it just means the extra items are buffered somewhere and will eventually make it to the factory anyway (and if the factory is designed to only take the exact amount, it'll be buffered in front of factory pretty much forever)

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:27 PM

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No, my factory is a burst factory, designed to take any throughput of items, and evenly distribute the reagents based on fixed ratios to other components equally. There exists no buffers technically, with the exception of transit as you've reminded me

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:28 PM

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that's weird way to build, but whatever floats your boat 🤷‍♂️

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:28 PM

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😉

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I don't have time for math when I can just manifold 200 smelters

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 10:28 PM

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~~you might say whatever balances your boat~~

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:29 PM

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you can just use some of the online tools to do the math for you 🤷‍♂️

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and then build manifolds, but with exact ratios

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:30 PM

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That's for smart people, and people with sense and limits and those who worry about space.

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 10:31 PM

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whoa, whoa, online tools, who could possibly be skilled enough to make that

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what madness is this new reality

mortal linden Dec 7, 2021, 10:32 PM

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near zenith whoa, whoa, online tools, who could possibly be skilled enough to make that

even more ironic since I'm a web dev and modder 😢

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 10:33 PM

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I guess the irony was that I made one of the tools 😄

near zenith Dec 7, 2021, 10:35 PM

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would you like to join the cult of greeny, we have crisscrossed graphs and odd linear programming bugs for everyone

oblique hollow Dec 7, 2021, 10:35 PM

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linear programming?
when will be see parabolic programming jace_smile

gloomy palm Dec 7, 2021, 11:11 PM

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there could be a thread for website development in here i guess

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thinking_helmet

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Web Dev Discussion

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 11:13 PM

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that's called #off-topic-tech

gloomy palm Dec 7, 2021, 11:14 PM

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seems like they talk about computer hardware in there

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 11:14 PM

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there's been tons of software talk in there. And this talk doesn't belong in #math-and-meta

gloomy palm Dec 7, 2021, 11:14 PM

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web dev isn't software tho either thinking_helmet

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 11:15 PM

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it's literally a software development

gloomy palm Dec 7, 2021, 11:15 PM

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yes but on the web

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which is it's entirely own thing

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 11:15 PM

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which runs on... software

gloomy palm Dec 7, 2021, 11:15 PM

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nobody goes to tech talk to talk about apache configuration

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 11:15 PM

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I did. Twice already

gloomy palm Dec 7, 2021, 11:16 PM

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😐

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 11:16 PM

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so please go there and don't pollute #math-and-meta thanks

gloomy palm Dec 7, 2021, 11:16 PM

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you are a stickler for offtopic

wind spade Dec 7, 2021, 11:16 PM

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and you're not putting messages in correct channels 🤷‍♂️

gloomy palm Dec 7, 2021, 11:16 PM

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one cannot be everywhere

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A thread for website and cloud-based/online tool development

subtle crescent Dec 7, 2021, 11:46 PM

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Okay, so... Here's an interesting idea. I'm thinking of making a FICSMAS Factory in which the end result is making two Wonder Stars per minute... plus also having half of each of the various components made being either sent to storage or sank into AWESOME sinks. But could use some help with the math on that when I return from work.

subtle crescent Dec 8, 2021, 12:15 AM

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Okay, gonna condense it down so that I don't spam the channel too much with this, but here's what I've got for my math for this project... hopefully, I can get a bit of help with fine-tuning ratios and stuff.

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In order to get 2 Wonder Stars per minute, I need four Assemblers making Wonder Stars. To make ONE, I'd need 5 Wreaths at 2.5/min and 50 Candy Canes at 25/min. So... if my math is right, just for that layer alone, I'd need... 20 Wreaths at 10/min and 200 Candy Canes at 100/min. Candy Canes are easy, with 1 Candy Cane at a rate of 5/min for 3 Gifts at 15/min... so... I'd need 20 Constructors with 60 Gifts running at 300/min? And Wreaths... that's the tough one. 1 Wreath at 1/min in the Assembler with 25 Branches at 25/min and 5 FICSMAS Bundles at 5/min. So that's... 10 Assemblers with 250 Branches at 250/min and 50 Bundles at 50/min...