math-and-meta

[still trout]

made it to finish the spelevator in 33h, excluding pasta because i made that elsewhere

[wheat saddle]

wow

[thorn bane]

wait total?

my total was 150h
i finished yesterday
also i cant find a screenshot xD

[still trout]

long story short, iron supply had a small issue and steel was working at 20% eff for like 20h so its not even close

[still trout]

2/min for the ones that require 4000, and 0.5 for the rockets iirc

[thorn bane]

ah ye i did 20 ADS for points 2 TPR and 1 pasta

[still trout]

zamn

[thorn bane]

what was your overall playtime?

[still trout]

100h before u5, approaching 100 on this new save

[thorn bane]

damn
ye i was slacking with 150 xD

[wheat saddle]

middle recipes and buildings, left is regualr recipes right side alts

[still trout]

i was speedrunning ig

[thorn bane]

this reminds me of the build i did in U4 xD

[wheat saddle]

aye

trying to make a U4-5 version of what Amelie of the Sea did in U4

max world

[still trout]

im making a plant for 360 control rods rn, and i did most the math for that by hand

[thorn bane]

ye fuck that
id rather have fps

[wheat saddle]

NO fps for me

least fps so far

only T5

[still trout]

my fps is 50 when playing

[thorn bane]

this game just isnt fun at <30fps idk...
youre trying to place a foundation and your game just freezes

mine was ~20 in the end

[still trout]

yes

[wheat saddle]

wdym freezes? I can get a world that I think would make mine go down to 5 ish

[still trout]

i got like 10s autosaves rn too

[thorn bane]

mine was 15 i think

[thorn bane]

not "freeze" just framerate drops

[lunar pivot]

NOOOO HOW

[still trout]

build more biomass

[uncut sigil]

And expect a lot more of that

[lunar pivot]

I need more biomass Fuel or More of biomass burner

[still trout]

generatoes

[uncut sigil]

both

[lunar pivot]

everything went so well

[uncut sigil]

I think I usually buiild 6 Bio burners in addition to the hub ones. And keep them topped up.

[wheat saddle]

i built only 4 in addition to hub

[still trout]

check the wiring, are the plate machines connected to the screw machines?

[lunar pivot]

No

[still trout]

i think i made 7 before my first coal plant

[lunar pivot]

They were First but I fixed it

[still trout]

why is there only 1 for plates and 2 for rods?

[thorn bane]

theres no downside to building lots of em since they still consume at the same rate

more gens just means less times you have to refuel so i just build as many as i have fuel

[lunar pivot]

Fuck

[uncut sigil]

And make sure to use solid biofuel once you have it.

[lunar pivot]

it did work tho

[wheat saddle]

how do i load balance 4 to 6?

[oblique hollow]

get more biomass burners?

[thorn bane]

why do you need that?

[wheat saddle]

to make my screws more efficient

so i have 4 constructing rods, thats 60 total rods a min, yet the screw constructors only do 10 in a minute the produce 40? so I have to add two but how do i load balance that

[lunar pivot]

I am

[oblique hollow]

you need 2 constructors making plates tho

oh wait, 1.5

... did you overclock it?

[thorn bane]

just merge all of them and then manifold

[wheat saddle]

okie, one sec just trying to fix power again it goes on an off its annoying af

[lunar pivot]

Lemme see if i fixed it

[lunar pivot]

No

I did 0.75

[oblique hollow]

why 0.75

[uncut sigil]

1.5/2 I imagine

[lunar pivot]

yes

Im pretty sure it was you that told me that @oblique hollow

[oblique hollow]

dont think so

[still trout]

u only have 1 machine, you need 2 making plates

[lunar pivot]

There we gi

[lunar pivot]

I do

tho i did something wrong

Do i overclock the Assembler? @still trout

[wind spade]

overclocking makes it use more power, you shouldn't ever do that unless you know what you're doing and have plenty of power

[lunar pivot]

Are u proud?

@wind spadeI appligiez For calling u a douch bag

[lunar pivot]

why at 0.25 @wind spade

[wind spade]

because... you need that many to produce 5 plates/min?

[lunar pivot]

what if i want more

i want 20

So thats what im going to do

[wind spade]

then put in 20...

[lunar pivot]

Thats what im going to do buddy

[wind spade]

so why are you asking me that

[lunar pivot]

Im starting to Feel a bond between us

A Friendship

[wind spade]

I'm not

[lunar pivot]

Thats not a problem

[summer fox]

i have done some calculations on how many assemblers i need for a factory it is 17.7777... to work 100% and the constructors are full given that i should make 18 shouldnt i? as i would have back up if i only did 17

[wind spade]

you can do 18 and underclock the last one to 77.7778%

[summer fox]

would that mean that the out product would be product at a 0.something aswell?

[wind spade]

not sure what do you mean? 🤔

if you underclock machine to 75%, it produces stuff at 75% speed

[summer fox]

i would be making rotors, so instead of 11.25 it would be something wacky like 9.37498724? because of the odd percentag?

[wind spade]

well if 17.77777 machines is what you need, then you probably need to produce these weird numbers

[summer fox]

ok thank you for the help/suggestion i`l see what happens becaue of it

[lunar pivot]

imma do it

[wintry aurora]

It'd have to be 2.5 or below. It depends on how far you're willing to overclock things and eat the power cost.

[lunar pivot]

4 ASSAMBLERS

[wintry aurora]

O-kay.....

[lunar pivot]

@wind spade@wind spadeI need your advice

[thorn bane]

what exactly is your production chain that youre getting 17.7777?

[lunar pivot]

Should i do this and replace my current 1 or should i build the new 1 somewhere else

[wintry aurora]

You can decide for yourself really.

[wind spade]

• that's up to you
• why would you ping me with this

[lunar pivot]

to see your opionion

[summer fox]

copper ingot 780 pm spilt so i`m making 400 sheets pm half is used for ai limiter over estimated what i need so i have 200 pm doing noting so i am making rotors+ control rods= motors

[uncut sigil]

You might as well practice upgrading your factory. Do it where you are.

[summer fox]

so its 200/22.5= 17.77777 asembers needed

[wind spade]

my opinion is irrelevant in your gameplay. I haven't played the game for two years, you should be asking people here instead of me

it's also not a great idea to ping one person with all the questions you have

[wintry aurora]

Two years? Seriously?

[wind spade]

actually, even more. Last time I played was May 2019

and that was just a few hours anyway, I got to like modular frames

[thorn bane]

wait i thought you wanted to start in U5 or are you waiting for experimental?

[wind spade]

I want to start with U5, but I'm waiting for EA to become stable (so probably won't start immediately after U5 hits stable tomorrow) and also want to finish some stuff for my tools

[thorn bane]

isnt 200/22.5 = 8.8888?

[thorn bane]

ah i see

[summer fox]

sorry bad maths its 400 not 200

[wintry aurora]

It's stable for the most part, but trucks keep having issues still.

[fringe pawn]

That actually isn't that surprising to me. I'll probably continue fooling around in my completed playthrough versus doing a new one for quite a while. Everyone has different ways they'll interact with Satis that don't involve actually playing.

[ashen girder]

Yeah, I got U4 to HMFs and just left until U5.

[wintry aurora]

Yea I know, I was just going like 'really?'

[thorn bane]

my 2 years started yesterday
not gonna touch the game for a while 🙂

[ashen girder]

Decent odds 1.0 comes out within 2 years tho. 😉

[wind spade]

I'd rather wait a few days 🤷‍♂️ not that I'm in rush anyway. But I'm looking forward to my first real playthrough where I get further than just modular frames 😄

[lunar pivot]

How do i get all of this to 1 miner?

[fringe pawn]

I've built some small stuff for U5 and I think it was a fantastic update, but I'm not up for a whole playthrough. The only thing that would for sure get me to do a new playthrough is if they add artifacts to the scanner, and the map is done, so I can have an 'exploration complete' file.

[wintry aurora]

Splitters/mergers are tier1 unlocks arent't they?

[frosty owl]

I agree that pluto is a bit less complex than TPRs. Though it doesn't fall behind by much

[ashen girder]

Can't wait for 1.0. 😭

[fringe pawn]

The complexity of plutonium is deceptive even with default recipes, because you still do need advanced parts to build the particle accelerators.

[thorn bane]

its more that i has more steps i think (if you go uranium rod -> non-fissile uranium)

i guess TPR is wider Prods are longer as a chain

[frosty owl]

Well, if you include the uranium processing too, pluto is definetly more complex

[fierce cypress]

Tier 1, Logistics milestone

[thorn bane]

ye thats what i mean uranium -> u cell -> u rod -> non-fissile -> Ppellet -> p cells -> p rods

[wintry aurora]

Yea, looked myself at that guys question.

[lunar pivot]

How does this work?

I got 8 Smelters

And i need 10 Constructors

[wintry aurora]

Go look up manifolds on the wiki.

[fierce cypress]

numbers wont always be nice and balanced, you will need to learn about balancing and manifolds

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Balancer
https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Manifold

damn embeds lol

[lunar pivot]

Ugh

Looks like a math test

[thorn bane]

you can use <link> to not get an embed

[wintry aurora]

Is this your first factory game?

[lunar pivot]

Yes

This is what i Just did

[fierce cypress]

there can be a lot of maths involved depending on your play style

[thorn bane]

you might even get some actual math if you look close
like continued fractions, generators of modulo groups

[lunar pivot]

Owh

UGHH

LIKE HOW

3+4.5 Is 7.5

[fierce cypress]

let me make a diagram

[wintry aurora]

There is an intenal calculator, press n to open the search box, you can use that for some basic calculations.

[lunar pivot]

Idk what to calculate but thanks

[uncut sigil]

I accidentally stumbled upon circle packing and square packing trying to figure a generator layout. I got out of there in a hurry 😛

[lunar pivot]

A DIAGRAM??? PEOPLE TOLD ME THIS GAME WAS RElAXING

[thorn bane]

haha awesome i love those moments xD

[uncut sigil]

It is if you like logistics and engineering.

oh, a little sprinkling of architecture too. Skip the structural physics though

[ashen girder]

You can still do the structural physics. Just.. don't.. really know if it's right or not. 😂

[uncut sigil]

The destructable physics work well though...

[thorn bane]

the fluid dynamics work sometimes xD

[ashen girder]

They work most of the way! Ish!

[fierce ruin]

Destructible fluid dynamics when?

[thorn bane]

imagine a turbofuel pipe exploding

cuase it got spit at

[fierce ruin]

[fierce cypress]

@lunar pivot it would be smthn like this ||this probably didnt help ||

s + - + c + - + c +
s +   + c +   + c +
s +   + c +   + c +
s +   |       + c +
s +   + c +   + c + + + +
s +   + c +         | | |
      + c +         a a a
      + c +         | | | 
      + c + - - - - + + +   

[thorn bane]

cant do that with mk2 belts

[uncut sigil]

I guess that'd be an incentive to clear out the wildlife. I get lazy and rely on hoverpacks and platforms.

[fierce cypress]

oof, im not redesigning it, but its a general premise

[thorn bane]

imo if youre making RIPs (you know the thing for mk2 belts) id just balance instead of manifold

[lunar pivot]

UHHHHH

[fierce cypress]

the 's' is the smelters, the 'c' is the constructors, the 'a' is the assemblers, the '+' is mergers/spliters and the '-' and '|' is the belts

for the 4.5 constructors you just use 5 and underclock one of them to 50% (4+0.5=4.5)

[wintry aurora]

Something like this: Left set is mergers and right set is splitters.

[fierce ruin]

@lunar pivot if you dislike dealing with math... that is an overwhelming majority of the gameplay loop.
Diagrams, graphs, equations all come with the territory of this game.

[lunar pivot]

I dont dislike dealing with math i dislike dealing with S+ and that type of stuffd

[fierce ruin]

So you're fine with diagrams?

Just not S+ ones?

[lunar pivot]

Idk what those are

[fierce ruin]

Hmmmm...

[cedar mica]

You dont really need math. You can just watch the belts and pipes. If full, enough. If not, add more. Granted, wont run as efficient as it can, but it will run

[fierce ruin]

Blasphemy.

[fierce cypress]

a manifold is where you split a conveyer through a line of buildings, thats what you would need to use in this scenario @lunar pivot

[lunar pivot]

NVm

I will now refund the game 😆

[fierce ruin]

Had a feeling it wasn't really your style after catching up on everything I missed.

[vernal birch]

are you an aussie? otherwise you might be out of luck trying to get a refund if you've bveen on for 2 or more hours 🤷‍♂️

[tropic hawk]

the tileable manifold is missing from there...

[tropic hawk]

You are not wrong. You are also not right, but you are not wrong

[fierce ruin]

So what you're saying is he is left?

[tropic hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-movie-vitruvius-sure-lets-go-with-that-gif-12403913

[cedar mica]

Its the basic. It works, but how well, is another thing. Most that plays, tends to pick up on the math from there.

[tropic hawk]

fair enough. Everything is temporary until blenders. THEN you worry about logistics

[foggy cairn]

i see a lot of people putting splitters and mergers in series

does it load balance evenly? or is it diminishing?

for example, input 120, split by 2 and you get two 60 outputs

and then further split the 60 by two and you get two 30 belts

[wind spade]

what you're talking about is called a manifold and given enough time it balances normally
looks like this:

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |
  X  X  X  X  X

basically it needs to fill all but last two machines with items

[foggy cairn]

hmm so it only balances because the building will fill up?

[wind spade]

which you can also do by hand

yeah, usually it's just a few minutes before it starts working at 100%

[foggy cairn]

ahh thats interesting, thanks

[wheat saddle]

halp, my foundry made for this type produces 45 but this intakes 60, but this produces 15 so underclock it? or overclock?

[wintry aurora]

Make another foundry? You could also leave it as is if you're just going to have the one foundry and constructor.

[wheat saddle]

was trying to setup 2->4 for founries to constructors

[wintry aurora]

You'll want to overclock the foundries then I suppose? Pay attention to belt limits though depending on the scale.

[fierce ruin]

Underclock it or just go drive hunting because the Solid Steel Ingot alternate outputs at 60/min.

[wheat saddle]

whats the solid steel require?

[fierce ruin]

40 Coal + 40 Iron Ingots = 60 Steel Ingots.

You have to research it though.

[wheat saddle]

dang it, i wish i could mod something similar in but mods stop tomorrow

[fierce ruin]

Why would you need to mod?

[wheat saddle]

to edit a few of the recipes

[fierce ruin]

Just go get some hard drives and throw them on the MAM.

Also Mods 🤢

[wheat saddle]

maybe true but some will help ok Imma keep setting up and just uc my foundry

[twilit axle]

If you really want the recipe, you could also load it in the satisfactory calculator editor and just edit the save. But thats up to you.

[wheat saddle]

but later I will go hunting when Im full efficient steel

I also need to refficiency my main iron factory assmeblars

[vapid gorge]

Ok so you can build small factories that aren't super efficient and you don't really need too complicated math.

Diagram is nice to help plan things out if you want it to look nice. You don't HAVE to have it look nice.

Or you can make mega factories and embrace spread sheets #screenshots

[ashen girder]

Tbh, I don't think they were kidding about refunding the game. 😂

[fierce ruin]

☝️

[fringe pawn]

hides his spreadsheets for games like Pharaoh and Stardew Valley

[vapid gorge]

Oh I figured. Just wanted to make sure he didn't need to be one of those freaks that planning logistics with spread sheets WAS relaxing to play the game XD

[ashen girder]

Deeeefinitely helps tho.

[vapid gorge]

Oh it does

[wheat saddle]

this is my current steel factory, 1 foundry to 2 constructors input I thnk is 150 I do have to check iron miners tho, and half the steel crafted is used for pipes and other half for beams

[vapid gorge]

There's a good alt recipe for steel pipes into encased beams that saves you a TON of steel

[wheat saddle]

I know, but I havent explored yet to get a hardrive so I dont have it yet, but once I have use of trains and better power I will certainly try to get all alts

and in doing so switch to many alts

for my max build

[wicked blade]

I aspire to have a train network complicated enough that I need this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFLb1IPlY_k

[native adder]

Anyone else use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production and have it come out with relatively suspicious numbers? Told it I had 960 Iron Ore /min and 480 Copper Ore/min and I wanted to "maximize" the production of Rods, Sheets, Screws, RIPs, Rotors and Mod Frames... It came back saying that at the end everything would be produced at 29.538 parts per minute. Each individual output was exactly the same some how. (Using Cast Screws and Stitched Plates as my only 2 alt recipes)

[ashen girder]

That's what happens when you try to "maximize" multiple outputs.

[native adder]

Buh. I wanted to come away with the most of each thing I could without having to do the math on my own

Figured maximize would do that

[vast jungle]

How's should it guess how much you prefer one output over the other?

[native adder]

My assumption would have been based on the order top to bottom in the production list

So, I guess given that my interpretation on how it works is different from reality.. What would be the easiest way for me to figure out what the max number of each of those thing can be without having to do a bunch of math on my own?

Do I drop the lesser-tier stuff and just "maximize" the big 3, and then any overflow goes to a bin?

Cause if I use the "Production Line" tabs there, I have to manually figure out how to split the Iron up between them, and I have no clue how it should be split

[vast jungle]

You could do the max calculation for each product, then see which resource is overused the most sense use it to reduce the calculated numbers involved

No real good way because opportunities for multiple variables always had lots of solutions

[native adder]

I'd almost be better off just picking arbitrary numbers, but then I'm likely wasting a bunch of resources

[vast jungle]

Like I said, there is no single "best"solution because your definition of best is underspecified

[native adder]

I guess what I had hoped for is a way to say "I have 960 Iron, 480 Copper. I want to make the most RIPs, Rotors and Mod Frames I can and overflow all lower-tier parts to a bin/sink" Doesn't seem like a terribly complicated ask, but none of the calculators work that way

[vast jungle]

Math doesn't work that way

You could get away by specifying a priority for each element

[native adder]

I suppose I could say "I have 32 Iron smelters. I'll split them into 4 groups of 8. Out of those 4 groups I'll have 1 make RIPs, 1 make Rotors, 1 make Mod Frames and 1 make "everything else for bins" - May not be pretty or the best solution, but would likely work I guess

[vast jungle]

Produce max x, then take the rest and produce max y, then ...

Or you could ask for sale amounts of a group of products...b and then start distributing the leftovers

[magic island]

think of it like solving an equation with multiple variables. like how if you want a single answer for y=2x+6, you gotta define what x is.

if there aren't enough constraints, you get a range of possible answers instead of just one. so out of the valid solutions to what you're asking for, the calculator is picking the one that gives equal amounts

[native adder]

hm

well perhaps a better calculator is needed! (I'm kidding. building a calculator to serve my narrow purpose makes 0 sense)

lol

[vast jungle]

Unless you can specify what you want in mathematical terms a better calculator cannot help you.

[oblique hollow]

Whenever you maximize the calc doesnt go "how much can i make with this raw resource" but "how can i possibly make the maximum number of this thing that the user specified"

So it doesnt trash stuff since it ALL goes into making the parts you selected

The other way around has no real solution since its an open ended question

[native adder]

Yeah I get it now. It doesn't make sense for how my brain works, but I understand the explanation.

[oblique hollow]

Your brain wants to maximize resource nodes

But thats pointless with no goals. The calc could just as well say "maximize by shoving all ore into the sink". Then you also maximized node usage

[native adder]

Well, yes and no

[oblique hollow]

It is maximized usage. Just not very useful

[native adder]

I do understand Henning's point tho - without being able to "rank" what I want most of, how can it possibly know what I want it to do

[oblique hollow]

No goal means no solution for the calc to work towards

[vast jungle]

It's always the same... The easiest questions (to formulate) have the most complicated answers

[oblique hollow]

The way to maximize node usage is WAY too open-ended

[native adder]

So in my idealized world, understanding that premise, I'd be able to say I have X amount of Iron. I want to make, in this order, the max stuff I can make: RIPS > Rotors > Mod Frames. All "unused" materials that can't go into a "full number" get binned.

But I get that it's not realistic 🙂

[oblique hollow]

So integer values only?

[native adder]

Yeah. I don't care about making a half a frame a minute

[oblique hollow]

Thats 1 frame every 2 minutes

[native adder]

Ok, bad example

but like I don't really care when it says "You can make 29.359 frames per minute!"

what am I going to do with .359 of a frame?

lol

[oblique hollow]

Thats still "one frame every x minutes"

Just an odd number of minutes

Precisely: 2.789 minutes

So thats one frame every 2.7 something minutes

[native adder]

Sure. Pedantry aside tho - like I said I made an assumption on how I figured the calculator should/would work. I was obviously wrong on that

[oblique hollow]

The calc prefers simply tuning machine speed so nothing is "wasted"

You could simply not change machine clock speed

Then you just need an overflow splitter inbetween EVERY production step

But all that stuff going into the sink could be used elsewhere

So the calc prefers using it elsewhere

[native adder]

I get it - ultimately I decided to split my iron evenly 4 ways, and I'll make that work

and whatever overflows, overflows

[oblique hollow]

Whats easier however is to adjust the raw ore you currently have for, say, one node

Thats in the "ingredients" tab of the calc

It usually assumes the map limit for iron and other stuff

But if you reduce it, you can easily maximize at a small scale

Then you just round everything and boom

[native adder]

Yeah I had done that - Just down to the 4 nodes I'm using

but when you're telling it to build multiple things in 1 factory it still falls apart

[oblique hollow]

Yeah thats the isuse. All 4 things compete for iron

[native adder]

or rather, a production line

[oblique hollow]

You can adjust those sliders next to maximize to adjust the ratios, but its odd still

Maybe you can find a priority that way

[native adder]

I farted around with it for a bit, and ultimately got frustrated - figured it's just easier to give up on my brains "ideal scenario" (because it's not possible) and just split the iron into individual items. 240 > RIPs, 240 > Rotors, 240 > Frames, 240 > Whatever lower tier junk I can squeeze out of my floorspace

and everything else will just go into a bin

[thorn bane]

early game i feel like just dedicating 60 ore to a certain item like screws is best
for lategame items i just set an amount of stuff i want and then let the calculator tell me how much raw resources i need for that

for example you can set iron ore input to 60 in the input tab and then click maximize to see whats the most amount of items is you can get from that

and lategame for stuff like this i just go around picking up limestone nodes until my total is greater than what i need (in my case it was 4 * 600 + 2 * 780 > 3336)

[frosty owl]

@thorn bane Will send the"fixed" version after I get to the PC, but I have 2 suspicions on why the VIP version you made didn't work

[thorn bane]

OH nice

[frosty owl]

1. It might didn't like the lack of pump on the extracted water line, making the water flow from the buffer towards the extracted water pipe and back down, mixing the two flows
2. The lack of a valve between the fresh and recycled waters' junctions makes the flow F up after the buffer gets too full
3. Just the specific geometry you made

I just rised the poles for the extracted water by one and added a valve on the pipe between the 2 waters. The byproduct buffer completely empties itself out then (extracted water goes down to 5~15/min meanwhile)

Only difference with other VIPs I tried was that the extracted water didn't go to ZERO 🤔

[thorn bane]

here? interesting
i have a pump after the water extractor i thought that would be enough but maybe its too far away from the junction

[frosty owl]

Yep yep, right there!

[weary dove]

does anyone have this full scheme for me?

[frosty owl]

I think the fact that the pump is below the buffer could be making things weird...
But I didn't touch the pump xD

[thorn bane]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=KpELbsvMHqvbENicuvY6

[frosty owl]

It's made using one of the pinned tools (Greeny's). Just select a certain production and certain recipes to get the production graph

[thorn bane]

but mkgalleon also doesnt have a valve
but i guess his pipe is still higher than mine

anyway thanks for testing it ❤️
and good to know that it was my fault and that the VIP is working

[frosty owl]

Well, the version I made was working (modifying the one you made). I'll send it over for you to test, it'd be nice to figure out what was not making it work (because it certanely was failing before)

[thorn bane]

well the only thing that could make sense is the pump right?

[frosty owl]

Mhhh... Ideally, yeah 😅

[thorn bane]

oh btw i think i found a new way of making sushi using belt rate limiters (inpsired by my 333.333 uranium)
if you just limit screws to 200/min pipes to 30/min frames and EIBs to 10/min you always get the perfect ratio for HMFs
the setup is pretty big though so im not sure how usefull it is

[frosty owl]

Well, depending on how much one loves to sushi stuff, it can be useful xD

[thorn bane]

its basically the same as only producing 200 screws/min so this allows to overproduce stuff which might be nice if you get weird ratios that cant be overclocked
so maybe a mix of those two might be best

[frosty owl]

Eg: I could make use of something like that, if I were to balance sushi my silica for Uranium Fuel Cells, by limiting the silica for the merge to 90/min instead of ~100/min

Cheap silica comes in in batches of 210/min for me btw

So I guess you can see how a reducer is appealing here (90 silica for Uranium cells, 90 for Non-fissile uranium, rest for alu for plutonium)

[thorn bane]

ye 90/min is super easy its just 60 + 60/2

ive been thinking about this for a while
wouldnt this work if you just have a constructor at the end that converts the power supply back to the main resource? for example your base item is wire and in the not gate you supply copper ingots and have a wire constructor in the end
ofc this would make it not belts only anymore but its till better than the other guys 4 machines
also i think and and or gates are super simple in this system you just smart split with 1 of the going to a sink
if its the any you have an and gate if its the overflow you have an or gate

[frosty owl]

Just gonna leave this here~
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/phb6er/crazy_machines_2_the_sushi_belt_not_gate/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[thorn bane]

ye this is exactly that setup
and the issue is that it switches items

[frosty owl]

I totally never considered making use of a similar switch to make a balanced sushi thing that can accommodate for variable inputs (by "disabling" all the belts if the items coming in aren't in the right ratio), but that sounds like a work for @thorn bane 🤔

[frosty owl]

Didn't hear of that. What are you referring to?

[thorn bane]

the post i replied to #math-and-meta message

we had a discussion about it last week

i might make something with those
i used to be super into redstone circuits in minecraft xD

[frosty owl]

Mh, I see how that's a thing useful mainly for logic purposes... Not really my thing ^^

[oblique hollow]

Oooooooooh we doing logic gates again?

Cant beat the fluid NAND. Its too majestic

Hmmm.... Using the VIP i could probably do some simplification

Pipe MOSFETs are still magic tbh

Ah forgot to add (unpowered) to the pump

[thorn bane]

aaah thats pretty clever

using pipes though

[frosty owl]

Sushi pipes, my favorite

[thorn bane]

if only

[fierce ruin]

My favorite part of this is the pump facing downward.

[thorn bane]

this seems pretty compact?

[fierce ruin]

@thorn bane this irks me 😬

[oblique hollow]

Unpowered probably. Its so fluid keeps flowing

[thorn bane]

ye sorry when i first build it i didnt know id need priority mergers and then i was kinda out of space 😦

[fierce ruin]

Oh indeed. It is labeled unpowered. Just the headLIFT object facing DOWN is funny to me 😂

[oblique hollow]

Pump facing down is a meme unless its unpowered, them its secretly some big brain move..... Probably

[fierce ruin]

Could a valve not do the same?

[oblique hollow]

Nnnnope

Needed to DESTROY the head lift

But still allow flow

[fierce ruin]

Oh, so it's about resetting headlift. Gotcha

[oblique hollow]

Its the inverse of a valve set to 0

Those allow head lift to pass but 0 flow

Both basically act as fluid system decouplers

They can interact with other systems but cant act on their own really

Which makes them ideal for AND

[thorn bane]

ez

the rest is trivial xd

[wind spade]

I talked about that later in the convo that the two different items and ratios can be solved by simply converting the resource back to the original one

[thorn bane]

the only issue i have right now is that i need a circuit that goes 30 in -> 60 out, 0 in -> 60 out
but so far i havent found a solution

[wind spade]

Isn't that just 60 out and in->sink?

[thorn bane]

oh sorry 0 in 0 out

its basically if i split a line to go to 2 gates

[wind spade]

That's just a recipe that doubles items

[thorn bane]

but that changes the item type

so i cant do it 2 times

[wind spade]

You can use two not gates to reset to original item

[thorn bane]

ye i thought about that but i dont think the not gate works if you input 30

since the output will be 30

[wind spade]

The first not gate can double again

But for most of my "turing complete" sf idea, you don't care what's on the belt and how much

[thorn bane]

ye im just trying to make this into an actual buildable thing thats not too big

[wind spade]

As long as you can keep the AND gates (assemblers) OR gates (mergers) and NOT gates working, it's just "anything on a belt = 1 otherwise 0"

[thorn bane]

my idea for and gates was a smart splitter with any to sink and overflow to output since thats way more compact
but you need 60 input for that

[wind spade]

Works as well 🤷

[thorn bane]

what do you mean with assembler and gate?

[wind spade]

If both stuff is provided, it produces items

It's already and gate xD

[thorn bane]

but theres no recipe that uses the same item twice

[wind spade]

As I said - you don't have to use the same item

You can pick which items you want

As long as you can make it work with the gates

[thorn bane]

ye that sounds pretty impractical xD

[wind spade]

Why so?

[thorn bane]

cause you cant chain AND gates that way
you have to change the item type back using 2 nots which are huge

[wind spade]

You can, just pick a recipe that uses the other item

[thorn bane]

well then how about 10 and gates after each other

[wind spade]

Also manufacturer is 4 input and gate

Also I'm pretty sure there's easier contraption to change item type

[frosty owl]

Manifacturers can need quite a few items before they start production, this can make the different lines run for different amounts of time (dunno if that's an issue to you), causing weird delays between input and output

[thorn bane]

also assemblers (let alone manufacturers) are huge xD

[wind spade]

That just defines the frequency, it's not an issue for proving turing completness

[frosty owl]

They also tend to not accept items after their inventory is full 🤔

[wind spade]

Overflow sink

[tropic hawk]

wdym? They are only 10x15x8 (1.25x1.625 Foundation x 2 Walls)

[thorn bane]

ye but if youd want to build actual big circuits you need like 1000 of them

[frosty owl]

Makes valve computers feel like miniatures

[tropic hawk]

ah, building computers in game. Ping me once someone built one powerful enough with a display to play Satisfactory in Satisfactory

[versed violet]

how about using fuel gens, pipes and pumps as logic gates? Just single resource, fuel.

[wind spade]

How do you make not gate out of that?

[versed violet]

I would need to try and fiddle with it, but and/or are rather simple

[versed violet]

And, OR, NOT gates.
I think coal gens might be better for this after all, they use a LOT of water quickly and fuel gens have quite the inertia even with valves limiting each branch input.
The buffer is assumed to be ging somewhere and disposed of/reused.

[versed violet]

Here with the control signals A/B inversed

[oblique hollow]

Ummm

I was way ahead of you

A NOT is basically a switch

That toggles 2 states

[versed violet]

The diagrams look way different and more complicated tbh.

[strange hedge]

Hello everyone, I am new to Satisfactory. I LOVE this game, especially with the fact I have to use math. Math is one of my favorite subject along with engineering and building. I was looking into building assembler that would produce reinforced plate (Iron). I was doing my best to maximum the efficient as possible without causing any convey to cog with the materials. I successfully did it almost. I still had screw being cogged somehow. I was lookingi into input / output per minute, especially with the miner.

It have been quite fun projects.

[frosty owl]

That's a fun story and all, but I'm wondering if there's also a question hidden in there 👀 😆

[strange hedge]

May I ask for someone recommendation of best tools to use to help me with the planning for setting up factories?

As stated, I am new here.

(I used to play factorio sometimes. I wished there would be 3D version, then here am I!)

[frosty owl]

Btw, I think screws for rotors might be the way the devs found to make one encounter belt saturation "naturally" (when you try merging too many items on a belt exceeding throughput, like with 100 screws/min on mk1 belts for rotors)

[strange hedge]

Right

[frosty owl]

There are a few tools pinned in this channel to check out. One (SCIM) is a map/calculator/save editor but used mainly for the map/save editing, since there's a dedicated tool for factory planning (SFTools) that does everything SCIM can but better (some may prefer SCIM visually)

[lunar pivot]

why this doesnt work?

[strange hedge]

At first, iron ore (Mk1) mines 120 / minutes, so I divide them into 4 conveyer for semtler, so I get 30 / min

[lunar pivot]

And if i do put it in it goes backwards

[deft lichen]

you're trying to connect a belt that pulls to a port that takes items

look at the arrows

[strange hedge]

Then used my mind to try to calculate each constructors and try to maximum the efficient out from 4 of smelter..

[frosty owl]

If you don't have mk2 belts you won't be getting 120/min out of the miner though, I hope you're already aware of that ^^

[lunar pivot]

Im dumb

[strange hedge]

Yes, that is very true. I successfully received mk2 belt

[fierce ruin]

@lunar pivot so you ended up not refunding?

[strange hedge]

I am learning as I progress through game. And thank you for the information about the pinned message.

By the way, I just realized that conveyer belt mk 1 and 2 makes the big difference.

May I ask, how do I find out about how much material it ferries per minute when viewing each types of conveyer?

[deft lichen]

build menu description

[strange hedge]

Ah , thank you! Pardon me for my low vision. (Due to my limited field vision, I miss out information from time to time.)

[strange hedge]

Nah, you are not dumb. I made the same mistake before.

[frosty owl]

And, generally speaking, the UI has pretty much all the info one can want, if one looks well enough 😉
Else, there are always these channels to ask clarifications/help in 😁

[deft lichen]

it should be possible to increase the size of the user interface if you have troubles reading text in it

[strange hedge]

That is noted.

[lunar pivot]

I was kidding about that i love the game

without the math tho

[fierce ruin]

So you love... 20% of the game.

👍

[lunar pivot]

Just bigger

[fierce ruin]

That's like saying you love minesweeper, without the logic puzzles.

[lunar pivot]

Im building reinforced

I also made a bigger 1 of this

[south magnet]

Ehh, just give it time. Start with just enjoying the game like you are right now and the math will eventually get into your way of thinking

Better to enjoy the game the way you like to, instead of trying to conform to someone elses experience ^^

[lunar pivot]

Can anyone help me? How do i avvoid this rock? should i go up

[lunar pivot]

ur right

Also this?

lemme explain

U got 4 smelters and u need 5 Constructors up Front

what do i do

[fierce ruin]

Build 4 Smelters and 5 Constructors?

Just a guess...

[lunar pivot]

Okay but how is 4 smelters gonna Feed 5 constructors

[frosty owl]

Usually the constructors in front of the smelters

[fierce ruin]

Splitters and Mergers.

[frosty owl]

Since 4 is less than 5, at least one will surely have to be splitted

[fierce ruin]

May I give my honest advice?

[lunar pivot]

i know. So wich 1 needs to be splitted?

Sure

[magic island]

any one of them, they're all making 30, right?

[fierce ruin]

Drop the Discord. Play the entire game until you get to T7.
Experience the game for what it is. Solve the problems you encounter through your own thinking and reasoning.
THEN come back and you'll have your own take on the game and be able to compare/discuss it with others instead of always being subject to what we think and never having solved an issue in the game on your own.

🤷‍♂️

[lunar pivot]

Okay but i cant reach T7 if i dont make recourses

[fierce ruin]

Figuring that out is part of the game.
Having the answers handed to you cheapens your experience with it.

[lunar pivot]

I did it WOOHOO

[vagrant moss]

He is saying play the game. learn. do the math build your own way. T7 is actually not hard to get to. it will all the sudden click on your journey. it is a grind at times 0 argument there. Best tip anyone can give you i think if you are just starting is if you think you built big enough build 10x

[lunar pivot]

Ur right

[vagrant moss]

the game is actually mostly pen and paper after a while.

[deft lichen]

an alternative is spreadsheets, or like me, 40 tabs on satisfactorytools.com + a paper notes to keep track of how much of each item am I consuming :p

[vagrant moss]

well yeah... on paper aka not really in game. i cant fathom how you guys do it in excel. I use draw.io.

[deft lichen]

I don't use spreadsheets myself but they seem sensical

[frosty owl]

The only one time I ever took notes I was designing a maximized turbomotors facility.... I doubt the majority of players feel like they need to take notes 😅 😆 (just my impression, ofc)

[vagrant moss]

example -

[oblique hollow]

I dont draw my factories i plan them on the go

[deft lichen]

sftools, floor plan on the go

[vagrant moss]

depends how big.

[oblique hollow]

So i can easily fit them into the buildings i gave them, or expand them. If i have room left over

[wintry aurora]

I kinda do that as well.

[frosty owl]

Pfft, pure brainpower for me. SFTools maybe just to check things xD

Figuring out the recipes combos is part of the fun for me :)

[wintry aurora]

I use satisfactory tools.

[deft lichen]

I would just be typing for ages into N search or have a billion tabs open because I simply refuse to get up and use a physical calculator

[frosty owl]

Same. And yes, I have the search open a lot while designing ^^

[vagrant moss]

planning is needed when doing large scale

[oblique hollow]

I dont need planning for 600 refineries

[vagrant moss]

props to ya. i couldnt do that

[frosty owl]

And on experience/your smarts too
Eg: ~150 hours into the game I could design up to a single floor with max 1 production line in my mind (in detail)
At ~500 I was cable of planning a medium-sized floor with up to 5 different recipes used and still have the "leisure" to keep in mind how to coordinate it with the previous and/or next floors
Atm, I'm designing a nuclear facility to process 300 Uranium/min all the way into plutonium, including belt mixing. Naturally, I don't remember each and every single in/out of each machine, but I can design the entire facility (up to decent detail) in my head thanks to the pile up of experience (it's "just" about comibining setups I already invented/discovered)

Of course, having the in-game calculator open to help is a must for me, but by now I don't need SFtools to make a factory plan on that size. For 600 or more uranium, maybe

TBF, @vagrant moss, if you count the occasional sign (that once was a beacon) here and there with numbers and ratios jotted down as "notes", then I do use notes too, sometimes

[strange hedge]

I just saw SFTools, THANK YOU for that! it is very useful. I was close being right. Now with SFTools, I can learn from it too!

It makes my planning and building much easier and more flowing from now on.

This is Godsent tool for sure!

[frosty owl]

You're most welcome. The creator's a pretty chill dude, don't hesitate "at"ing him for questions or feedback ^^

[strange hedge]

What is author's user name?

[frosty owl]

Especially feedback, he's in the middle of making the U5 version after all

[strange hedge]

So I can ask him in case

[frosty owl]

Greeny

[strange hedge]

That is noted, thank you.

[frosty owl]

(It's mentioned in the pinned message, same for the other links/sites)

[oblique hollow]

greeny#4945, there he is

[wind spade]

[strange hedge]

@wind spade , thank you for making a masterpiece tools (SFTool). From now on, I am using it exclusively.

[frosty owl]

Right, did I mention he's also a #math-and-meta regular?

[strange hedge]

Excellent, since I am big fan of math too. This is going to be tons of fun playing Satisfactory along with the communty.

[wind spade]

All other channels are muted 🤷

[strange hedge]

I haven't even touched the mods just yet. I am going to learn all basic in Satisfactory first, then will re-play with the mods.

[lunar pivot]

ITS DONE

[wind spade]

There's also a discord specifically for (check the top right menu on the site), but you can just ping me here if you don't want to join 😉

[lunar pivot]

@wind spadeI know your proud man u dont gotta tell me

[frosty owl]

A whole new world's gonna open up then
Which is part of why it's worth learning the vanilla game through at least one playthrough first imo ^^
(Btw, modding discord link in #welcome)

[lunar pivot]

I did it wrong

[strange hedge]

I have a question about 'under clock". I am looking SF Tools, turns out I need 3.75 x smelter. does it mean I have to under clock one of smelter for maximum efficient?

[deft lichen]

3 smelters at 100%, one smelter at 75%

or whatever clock speeds add up to 375% really

[river night]

you could also overclock 2 to reach that, but 3 + 0.75 is what i would go with

[wind spade]

Yeah, you can also do e.g. 4 buildings at 93.75%

It's up to you really. The site doesn't force you to do anything (but displays a tooltip if you hover over the number in U5 tool)

[frosty owl]

2x187.5% FTW

[vagrant moss]

could do 1 @ 100 / 1 @ 125 / 1 @ 150.. if you want to... wouldnt advise it but could.

[wind spade]

Efficiency will be the same. Power draw is what will slightly change (underclocking is better than overclocking, underclocking evenly is better than underclocking one). But it's really up to you at the end

[strange hedge]

That is noted

One more question, sorry for too many questions

[frosty owl]

We ought to have convo someway, this is one welcome way to do so ahahaha

[strange hedge]

This got me puzzled, how do I 'merge' the conveyer into that with full efficient?

[wind spade]

You can drag'n'drop to move 😉

[strange hedge]

7.5x into 6.25x ...............

[wind spade]

Oh for mergers...

[oblique hollow]

Splitters will deal with it

[wind spade]

It's also up to you, you can either do a "balancer" or "manifold".

[oblique hollow]

Just connect and they make it efficient themself after enough time

[strange hedge]

Hmm I see

[wind spade]

Both are described on the wiki

[vagrant moss]

HOLY SHIT, i just realized greeny is greeny /facepalm...

[oblique hollow]

[strange hedge]

I have an idea for you, if you are okay with it. How about adding 'merge / splitter' between nodes as an suggestion in SFTool?

[wind spade]

[oblique hollow]

Oh no please no merge / split nodes

That would turn it into the Satisfactory calculator

[wind spade]

Is definitely possible, just... imagine how big the graph will be if i added all splitters

[oblique hollow]

Cluttered

[strange hedge]

True... undress if you add similiar feature to 'spoiler". s

So say if you click on one of merger / splitter, it would display that.. then click on it to 'hide' it.

[wind spade]

Also I think that the tool should just do math, not force players into specific setups

[oblique hollow]

True, manifold / balancer or whatever inbetween......

Idk... Direct Factory Cart transport

[cedar mica]

It dont matter how the job is done, only that is gets done

[strange hedge]

Mmmmm

[wind spade]

I've actually considered that you would be able to click on the arrow to visualise how to connect that, but I'm not really sure when/if I'll get to it, as it's pretty minor compared to other features I'm working on

[cedar mica]

Not to mention, adding "how to setup", would require more info. Like, which miners, which belt speed and so on

[strange hedge]

That is noted. I am looking forward to what you are working on.

As of right now, SFTools are extremely useful.

[vagrant moss]

i have SO many questions on how that works.

[wind spade]

you're definitely not the first person that asked for that. But most of those person usually realise they don't need than once they find out about manifolds 🙂 it's definitely something I am thinking about, just not on my priority list now

[wind spade]

how what works?

[vagrant moss]

the site. but just saw the GH and going through that now.

[wind spade]

the repository on github is only half of the magic. It also has API that's not yet opensourced

[strange hedge]

OMG I just realized I have been playing satisfactory the wrong way entirely

[wind spade]

if you're asking how the calculations work, the short answer is Linear Programming (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_programming), if you're interested in long answer, would probably need to be in thread or DMs, as it's pretty complex (at least for first sight)

[strange hedge]

I had every constructor and other production on 100 percent......

Didn't know I could adjust that. I am going to learn how to adjust the setting. If i can't find it, I will ask here.

[wind spade]

that can definitely work, only thing that does is that the machine sometimes stop if it doesn't have enough materials 🙂

[strange hedge]

I see. I am aiming to maximum the efficient as possible.

[vagrant moss]

I use a very similar graph setup at work for tracking data in a graphical format for data splits from function to function.

[wind spade]

resource efficiency (how many resources are turned into products) is not harmed by keeping the machines at 100%. However you lose a bit of power if you don't underclock.

technically most power efficient would be "underclock everything to 1% and build tons of the machines", but who has time for that right

[wind spade]

I just make each recipe as one function and then solve while minimising resource usage. Then I construct the visualisation with some magic

[vagrant moss]

over 4k data points in that single execution ^ all from a single call

[strange hedge]

Ah, I didn't explain enougha bout 'efficient'. what i meant is maximum the machine input and output without any convey belt being bottlenecked.

However, what you said about the power, that is a new lesson for me too.

Balance between power and machine operation while keeping all materials moving (without bottlenecking any of convey belts)

[wind spade]

basically, two machines at 50% use less power than one machine at 100%
and similarly, two machines at 100% use less power than one machine at 200%

[strange hedge]

Interesting

[wind spade]

so it's just a balance between how many buildings player wants to build and how much power he wants to save

the more buildings you build, the lower is the clock speed and therefore the more power you save (however you use more space and resources to build the machines)

[cedar mica]

If you want to save power, no need to go beyond 50% underclock. 3 machines uses the same power at 50% as 1 at 100%. So you get 50% overclock for free

[vagrant moss]

time for work @wind spade pleasure to meet you. might have to pick your brain later. lol

[strange hedge]

Bed time for me (Japan time)

See ya all ! 🙂

[stray moon]

i just figured out how to make a smooth diagonal in update 5

[topaz hedge]

I agree with this..

overall, by having your tool setup the way it currently is, it's simple & doesn't give much more than numbers and a easy to read bubble whateveritcalled. adding splitters/mergers or even miners would make it unnecessarily complex and cluttered.

[robust vessel]

Hey greeny, are you still open to suggestions for calculator functionality?

[wind spade]

always 🤷‍♂️ though I'd recommend either thread or DM or discord

[robust vessel]

It's pretty minor stuff. Calculator is still awesome and my favorite tool. Appreciate the work you do. 💚
I'll DM

[cloud swan]

which is better?

[topaz hedge]

I don't like either of them.

[thorn bane]

2 is most resource efficient but pretty big to build as it involves alot of water for pure copper and steamed copper sheets to be efficient

[fierce ruin]

you don't need millions of rotors, so that's not very relevant. Rotor's recipe is always a convenience choice

[topaz hedge]

@thorn bane I think they're doing fismas

I haven't looked at rotors much though.. I could maybe spring for copper sheets.. but I don't think I want to. I was looking at default recipe with steel rod and screw, or steel rotors.

[magic island]

Copper rotors have good synergy with steel screws (same batch size of 52) and with steamed sheets (same rate of 22.5/min)

but if you're not starrrrrrved for copper you can also just use the basic sheet recipe, and that gives you the best power efficiency of the rotor recipes

[topaz hedge]

I have copper deficiency. dr said steel rotors are the cure.

[magic island]

treatment is simple. build base in Titan Forest. three pure copper nodes near a lovely pond. that should pick you up.

man bursts into tears. says, "but doctor, I'm already in Titan Forest"

[ashen girder]

Steel rotors makes my motors go brr

[topaz hedge]

I need to make 80 motors/min i think. right now I've just messing with my nuclear setup and quartz crystal

[thorn bane]

i finished my whole playthrough having 1.067 copper rotor assemblers

[fierce ruin]

Rotorless Motors though.

[magic island]

steel rotors do make for a TIDY motor factory. and tidiness is one of those intangibles that can count for a lot

[ashen girder]

..is that a new alt? o_O

[fierce ruin]

A dream 😥

[ashen girder]

I should do Rigour motor instead of def motor. Hmm.

[fierce ruin]

Yes.

[ashen girder]

You inspired me. I've decided to see if I can get a full phase 4 factory built out of those two pure quartz nodes. 😁

[fierce ruin]

Much better.
I ended up choosing Electric for this run though.

[ashen girder]

Using silica/on/quartz everything.

[fierce ruin]

Because I wasn't using ECRs for anything else and I felt badly.

[magic island]

the alt motor recipes are so funny because they're objectively more efficient but the extra steps with more advanced parts make you sigh in despair

[thorn bane]

i love it when recipes do that
i wish there were more recipes that make basic stuff using advanced item

[fierce ruin]

Oscillators are a source of joy. Not despair.

[topaz hedge]

rigor motor and electric motor do look like winners.

[magic island]

there should be a refinery recipe where you add sulfuric acid to an advanced part to crank out a ton of something more basic. lets dissolve that RC unit for scrap parts, baby

[thorn bane]

i just want an alternate recipe for steel pipes
you need sooo many of them 😦

[topaz hedge]

well, irl recycling doesn't even equal in = out

[fierce ruin]

Pipes I am fine with. BEAMS need an alt, badly.

[thorn bane]

but you dont need that many beams

[magic island]

they do need alts, it's almost conspicuous that they don't have them. something in an assembler with high output

ceramic pipes using silica maybe?

[fierce ruin]

You don't need that many beams because pipe alts are that much better.

If beams had an alt that made it more of a choice I'd be happy.

Like make one simpler in setup and the other cheaper in terms of steel.

• choice.

[ashen girder]

I hate beams. 😂

I have exactly one recipe that requires beams in my plans.

Every other recipe can replace beams with pipes.

Versatile Frameworks are stupidheads.

[fierce ruin]

Flexible Frameworks. 😉

[magic island]

less pressing, but it's also weird that there's no alt for AI Limiters. not an obstacle per se, just noticeable.

especially since an AI limiter is sort of a goofy made-up thing you could say is made out of whatever

[ashen girder]

Is.. that.. like rotorless motors?

Because my flexible frameworks still require steel beams. 🤔

[fierce ruin]

No, Flex Framework is a genuine alt. Just produces more so afaik the total steal beam cost is less.

[ashen girder]

Oh. I mean, I'm using it. 😂 Which just makes the fact that I need like 1 stupid steel beam constructor all the more insulting.

[thorn bane]

you can cut ai limiters though
steel pipes are everywhere

[magic island]

yeah, im just going on a tangent.

it might be nice to have a non-copper recipe for limiters, so you don't HAVE to cut them out if you want to save copper. but it's kinda whatever

[wintry aurora]

Not sure if this goes more in math and meta or questions, but, what do you guys use to buffer train stations while the output stops during loading/unloading? Or do you find that buffers aren't really needed?

[ashen girder]

ISCs. You 100% need to buffer if you're anywhere near capacity.

Losing 25 seconds of throughput every, like, minute, is.. a lot.

[wintry aurora]

Buffers pretty much required then.

[ashen girder]

IMO, yeah. I buffer in and out.

[wintry aurora]

It's not near capacity, but the gap is obvious.

[ashen girder]

If it isn't causing your factory to backup noticeably, then it probably isn't the end of the world.

But yeah, I always try to make sure my platforms connect to cans.

I don't use rails for fluids currently, but I assume it'd be much the same there.

[fierce ruin]

question, how do array systems work?

[wind spade]

it's called a manifold and it works by filling the machines so that they only accept what they need

[fierce ruin]

huh, alright awesome!

[jolly merlin]

could

[ashen girder]

would

[wind spade]

should

[jolly merlin]

probably

[ashen girder]

maybe

[jolly merlin]

potentially

[clear edge]

a mess

this is what happens when you try using balancers for modular frames and reinforced iron plates in an already tight area

[fierce ruin]

it aint horrible but not the greatest either

[ashen girder]

That's some fine spaghet.

[clear edge]

compared to my other factories its a dumpster fire

[ashen girder]

Oh, oh god, it's even clipping.

😭

[clear edge]

like i said; a mess

[ashen girder]

Manifolds, friend.

[clear edge]

im definetely rebuilding this with manifolds

[ashen girder]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Manifold

[lunar pivot]

Decided to start over

[ashen girder]

Keep in mind, you don't really even see the "line pausing" that happens if you put the splitters near enough the producers.

[clear edge]

why do you need a merger there LMAO

[ashen girder]

To extend it later.

You can literally just add more to the line to increase capacity.

Or route in more from another bank, or whatever. 🤷‍♂️ Also just looks nicer.

[clear edge]

oh?

[ashen girder]

Lets you have only straight belts.

[clear edge]

i dont mind curved belts as long as its a perfect 90 degree tight turn

[lunar pivot]

i wanna cut these things

[pseudo crest]

do people not use manifolds? I feel like its kinda the common sense natural way to scale up production 🤔

[lunar pivot]

what are those

[glass jolt]

is it a good or bad idea to use hub burners? I know they produce less power but they also consume fuel more slowly as i understand. does that result in them directly making less power for the same amount of fuel?

[wind spade]

it's the same efficiency

doesn't matter really

unless you have a reason not to use them, you can use them normally

[glass jolt]

yeah started a new save with the update (as is tradition) and haven't got to coal yet lol

[lunar pivot]

Thannks everyone that helped me

I know how to make Factorys now

[tropic hawk]

And time to teach you how to spell Factories:
Factories.
Lesson over

[lunar pivot]

Stfu

LMAOOO

I wanna make a base

[tropic hawk]

all right. how big of a base, and what do you want in it?

[lunar pivot]

Uh

Idk what i want in it

This is a new save

im new to the game

Im about to make reinforced plates etc

[tropic hawk]

how new?

[glass jolt]

thanks greeny

[lunar pivot]

Uh like 20 hours in new

[tropic hawk]

Right. How far do you expect to get on this save?

[lunar pivot]

Far

I left my last save

It was getting to messy

And that i used for learning

[tropic hawk]

right. do you plan to 'complete' the game by finishing the project assembly, or do you want to go farther?

[lunar pivot]

Wym

[tropic hawk]

do you want to finish the space elevator then call it good, or do you want to make a factory that exploits the whole map 100%

or in other words: What is your goals for your playthrough?

[lunar pivot]

Uh

I just wanna get to know the game more make some nice factory etc

[tropic hawk]

right, so lets say finish space elevator.

[lunar pivot]

Okay

Lemme Finish this rq

Done.

[tropic hawk]

you are gonna want:

• Automated Storage Room
• Non-Automated Storage Room
• Power Control Room (you will understand later)
• Hypertube Hub (you will understand later)
• Train Hub (you will understand later)
• Leave room for expansion

[lunar pivot]

Uhm i guess i want that

[tropic hawk]

I would recommend having a base dimensions of at least 25x25 foundations, and make sure you can build up

[river night]

i want to redesign stuff to have a power control room, but i need to pull a lot of new cables first

[tropic hawk]

that is why as a Satisfactory Veteran, I account for power control rooms first

[lunar pivot]

What about all this?

[tropic hawk]

that is production. That will be near the base or on another level.

you can leave that there for now, you need it

once you get coal power, and have a grid of at least 500 MW, then start worrying about a permanent base

[lunar pivot]

Okay

I need mk2 shit first cuz these bands are slow

[tropic hawk]

and honestly, you can ignore most of what I said, just keep that in mind for later in the game. if you are still getting used to the game, just build on foundations, build your power close to water, and your fluid processing as low as you can, and you should be fine.

[lunar pivot]

Do i build production on Foundations too?

[tropic hawk]

yes. that is the best way to keep things neat

[lunar pivot]

i want too but its hard to break up everything i build now

[tropic hawk]

trust me, it will be harder later

[lunar pivot]

So i should break up everything and build Floors?

[tropic hawk]

maybe, it is up to you. you can also leave it there and build floors around it, and make everything else on floors. it is the best way to make sure things work

[lunar pivot]

Alright il do it but what about stones

They will go trough the floor

[deft lichen]

build above terrain so it doesn't clip into your foundations

just push the platform higher

(also utilize the new world grid by holding ctrl)

[lunar pivot]

Uh like stack em?

[lunar pivot]

Whats that

[deft lichen]

when placing down foundations, rotate them north and hold ctrl

and yeah, stack the foundations so the floor is floating, you can add pillars later

[lunar pivot]

What about stones like these

[lunar pivot]

Also how will i get recourses

[deft lichen]

build around that spire

you get the resources just like before

stack like 6 4m foundations, not 30

[lunar pivot]

So ur telling me to leave the machines down and build platform up and take machines and put them up?

[deft lichen]

build the platform a little elevated

and buildings atop the platform

[lunar pivot]

This is too high?

[deft lichen]

why would it be?

you have ramps, use them

make it as high as you want really

[lunar pivot]

But the machines dont work on the platforms

They work with 1 4cm but not with 2

[deft lichen]

why wouldn't they?

[lunar pivot]

Dont ask me but they dont

Im talking about miners btw

[strange hedge]

Hello everyone! Good morning from Japan!

[lunar pivot]

ni how

[strange hedge]

Looks like I am starting a new game with the new understanding. I am truly enlightened by the community and Greeny!

https://tenor.com/view/the-fountain-hugh-jackman-brightlight-enlightenment-gif-5011749

[lunar pivot]

Becuase miners need to buy on the actually iron or anything

[deft lichen]

don't place miners on them

miners go on resource nodes, but other buildings can be placed on them just fine

[lunar pivot]

Thats what i asked

I was like

Can i put everything on the flying floor

[river chasm]

I made a plan of my rail network and future factory locations; does this cover the map well? is there anything I've overlooked?

[magic island]

well i mean... that sure is a plan that covers the whole map all right. is this about hitting every node, or what?

[topaz hedge]

i can see quite a few build challanges as far as tracks are concerned but

It might be worth trying to link the tracks in blue crater with the tracks in the swamp so you'll have a full loop.

[river chasm]

yeah

[topaz hedge]

But here's my worldwide network if you need ideas. Some of my network is in a tunnel.

[river chasm]

good point, i'll keep that in mind

[topaz hedge]

my tracks in the red forest are isolated from the rest of the rain network because it's just.. too steep/too high up to get a train down

[river chasm]

I should mention, the tracks will probably be straighter than how I drew them lol

[topaz hedge]

so those deliver to a train station, lifts bring the bauxite down into the aluminum plant, the main line connects to the aluminum plant xd

[river chasm]

ooh, ok

[river chasm]

I plan to fill the space between the northern forest and the spire coast with all of my nuclear stuff, thoughts?

[topaz hedge]

build it wherever. you have trains :3

[river chasm]

ok

[topaz hedge]

there's a bunch of oil and stuff there though..

[river chasm]

true

[topaz hedge]

my nuke plants are in rockeydesert, and dune desert

[river chasm]

I can build around it

[topaz hedge]

i picked those areas because there's not much there as far as valuable nodes and whatnot.

nuclear with waste recycling isn't too bad radiation-wise. but if you start burning plutonium rods, or you store any waste, it can spread to the surrounding area

[river chasm]

noted; I plan to sink the plutonium though

[topaz hedge]

it's still pretty spicy. not too bad though

[river chasm]

not exactly where I plan to put it

[topaz hedge]

if you're doing something small, ie ~15 reactors that might be fine if bigger it's easier to build them over open water.

[ashen girder]

Seems like you might want to connect that SE corner through.

[river chasm]

I could stack them if I had too, or only put some of them there, I want to do a maximum nuclear setup

[topaz hedge]

this is 45 reactors

You could make them fit however. it's just my suggestion because they are really big. and each one uses 300 water each

[river chasm]

I could pipe water over from the spire coast, although I don't want to build there as it will be changed soon.tm

[fierce ruin]

I always find it best to plan what outposts will be where first, then connect rails.

[topaz hedge]

well, you're looking at 1 full mk1 pipe for per nuclear reactor.. so keep that in mind :3

[river chasm]

yeah

[fierce ruin]

Love me some mk1s.

Mk2s need to get their shit together.

[topaz hedge]

I kind just decided I wanted rails everywhere. so I just went to building. the factories, and outposts popped up around them later.

[river chasm]

same

[topaz hedge]

I think you might have to tweak your rails abit as you start building because the red forest is like +300m compared to everything else. besides that. it looks good :3

[frosty owl]

Just don't let him convince you that balancing nuclear is useless

[topaz hedge]

it is

[wind spade]

balancing nuclear is not necessary

[topaz hedge]

don't let sushi lie to you

[river chasm]

thanks for all the help @topaz hedge

[ashen girder]

Not necessary and useless are very different things. 🤔

[wind spade]

agreed, that's why I said that it's not necessary

same as with balancing. It's not useless, it's not necessary

[sinful helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFLb1IPlY_k&ab_channel=Numberphile

Something like the train graphs baked into satisfactory would be really cool

[frosty owl]

Do I ever?

[fierce ruin]

So question, how can you tell how many times you need to manifold for stuff?

does it matter? Or can you just keep manifolding as much as you want

[ashen girder]

As long as your input line has enough throughput.

[wind spade]

you can do whatever you want 🤷‍♂️ as long as belt speeds are enough

[ashen girder]

Don't try to manifold 12x30/min on a 270 line, for instance.

[fierce ruin]

ahhh got it, thanks!

[ashen girder]

Also, a trick I'll do is merge in additional lines later on.

So if I do have 12x30 and only 270, you can merge in another 90 before the last 3.

[topaz hedge]

Hrm. Well no, I don't think so

[ashen girder]

Or earlier. As long as it's never above the max of the line.

[topaz hedge]

manifold 12x30 with a mk4 belt and 360 input.. it fine

8x60 will not be fine on a 480 line with a mk4 belt tho

[ashen girder]

jUsT uSe a mK 5 bElT.

[wind spade]

but I don't have those 🤔

[topaz hedge]

well. 480 on a mk4.. should work if you feed the middle of the manifold.

[wind spade]

then it's just two 240 manifolds

[topaz hedge]

it will work most of the time actually.

it is, and you could drop the belts to mk3 or leave them at mk4 and it'll be fine.

[frosty owl]

Do you think organizing buildings like this is beneficial/bad/neutral for FPS compared to dividing the different processing steps into different factories? Dunno if a screen is enough to judge that, but the whole thing is supported by in-the-floor belting, which shouldn't even render unless really close (glass transparency distance and whatnot)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/292410504553693185/912810461152550912/Screenshot20211115-03244100000.png

[wind spade]

I'd say answer to that will heavily rely on software and hardware of given pc

[frosty owl]

Why? Depending on the aviable CPU power Vs GPU power?

[topaz hedge]

I don't think it matters.

cpu will bottleneck once hit doesn't matter how you hide/what you do.

gpu bottleneck should see a benefit from hidden belts.

[frosty owl]

Makes sense

[topaz hedge]

but you'll still have random lag spikes in that area for whatever reason. it's like it has to think about what it needs to render lol

[wind spade]

the gpu just thinks about it's life choices

[topaz hedge]

I'd rather be mining bitcoin

[frosty owl]

So clustering up buildings helps for lag (by minimizing logistics), until you cluster so many you cap your GPU power in the area, right?
||Assuming the same logistic needed to bring in inputs||

[topaz hedge]

something about like that

having more advanced parts, like steel ingots, or AI limiters made elsewhere and brought in by train helps reduce the number of machines needed too

I count steel because it's something you need in bulk.

[frosty owl]

Well, yeah if you end up with machines at less than 100% efficiency you're incurring in a "loss" 🤔

[fierce ruin]

how much coal does a coal factory use per min?

it doesn

t show

[wind spade]

coal factory? do you mean generator?

if yes, it's 15/min + 45/min water

[fierce ruin]

It doesn't show you until you give it coal.

And that's because it can burn more than just coal. So unless they did a UI change that showed all inputs and burn rates for every generator...

ah ok

thanks!

does manifolding work with coal generators as well?

When you get to Fuel Gens it is the same thing. They won't display until fed.
So just check the wiki.

[worldly plank]

What's 1 + 1

[fierce ruin]

Yes.

awesome

[ashen girder]

It's worth pointing out that it's because it's fuel dependent.

Different fuels burn at different rates.

[fierce ruin]

"And that's because it can burn more than just coal. So unless they did a UI change that showed all inputs and burn rates for every generator..."

Was that not implied here or do I suck at wording?

[ashen girder]

Nope. I suck at reading. 😅

[willow igloo]

Looking for input on whether this thought process works. If it is a crap idea, I'd appreciate someone telling me so. I'm transitioning to a fully automated train setup where each independent factory has train demand stations that go and draw the raw ingredients I need and then output to an item supply station. I'm going to use primarily 1-4 trains for everything and I was going to set up the station to try to do some tricky belt balancing to evenly draw off of all the stations outputs but then I had a random shower thought. "Do I need to balance my trains?" I realized that I could simply use the 8 outputs from my ingredient trains and set up 8 separate factory lines, not caring about how things might back up. For example quick wire factory would use 1/12 of a belt Caterium Ingot and 5/12 of a belt Copper Ingot to make 1 belt of Quickwire (Fused recipe) and I could simply make one factory line long enough to completely make 1 belt of Quickwire. Multiply this by 8 so I have my 8 input belts for my Supply station. At first I was going to figure out how to evenly distribute my copper across but instead thought "I have 8 output belts for each ingredient, just dont' balance it and feed the whole supply belt in. My Caterium Ingot train wouldn't need to run very often becuase it would be the first thing to back up and then next my copper ingot train would back up since it's not fully consuming at 5/12 belt speed consumed. I'd just let the train buffer be my "balancing factor" Am I wrong in this line of thinking? Assume I have dedicated trains based on demand so my trains aren't needed elsewhere for anything.

[hollow jewel]

Does anyone know how many water extractors and how many pipes off those water extractors i need to fuel 18 coal genarators?

[wind spade]

3 to 8

18 is a weird number, do 16 or 24

[willow igloo]

each coal generator consumes 45/minute x 18 which is 810 water/minute. Each extractor makes 120 so you could get away with 7 total extractors. As for how many pipes, if it's all one line of coal generators all you'd need to do is evenly distribute your 7 water extractors along that line to feed 1 on each end and 5 in the middle feeding midpoints of your pipe

with one long pipe connecting between

[hollow jewel]

Thanks!

[willow igloo]

just because a single pipe can only move 300/minute doesn't mean you can't connect them all to the same pipe if you're feeding water in at multiple points

which is why you might just build your coal generator on a platform on the water

[wind spade]

or just repeat the 3-8 modules

  G  G  G  G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
  G  G  G  G

[willow igloo]

^ this too

[hollow jewel]

Ok, I'll see what works best but thank you guys!

[willow igloo]

as long as you're not trying to feed more than 300/minute from only one side, you'll be fine

[hollow jewel]

ok

[muted storm]

Okay so. I was actually trying to figure the bugs in my water pipe system last night.

I read the 8 page PDF from Galleon on pipes and fluids. It answered some questions, or maybe pointed me in the right directions.

The PDF mentioned that the pipes need to be FULL for water pressure and pumps and stuff to work properly. Does that mean I shouldn't use Mk2 pipes if I can't fill them?

Basically my coal production is on a cliff, with water at the bottom. I need to pipe it up for generators. I have system that works 90% of the time, but 1-2 generators are always running out of liquid, despite the math being right for generating enough water.

My takeaways from his PDF was

1. Pipes are wonky if they're not fully utilized
2. Pump the water slightly higher than the machines being filled
3. Don't use extra pipes if you don't have to.
4. Pipes try to fill the network evenly
5. ...except they are affected by gravity so you need to have head lift to compensate

Is that roughly accurate?

[signal nimbus]

"Full" and "fully utilized" aren't the same thing. If you're putting 120 water/minute into a Mk 1 pipe and it doesn't go anywhere for a while, the flow rate is 120/minute but the pipe can be "full".

[muted storm]

Roger. So I need to fill them, not necessarily fully utilize them?

Which could be accomplished by turning off the machines for a bit, letting the pipes fill, and then tinkering with them?

[signal nimbus]

Mhm!

Or just a couple of machines, but they'll fill more slowly.

My personal favorite is a water tower system. Single extractor, lots of pipes, full up a water reservoir that connects to all your other water pipe systems. Fixes all the head lift problems.

[muted storm]

Single extractor?

Okay so here's a question. I have a pump (A), the part of the pipe above the pump (B), and then the next segment of pipe (C).

A is 300m3/min, head lift 12m.
B is 299m3/min, 5/5 water in pipe
C is 0m3/min flow rate, 13/13 water in pipe

How is that possible? That is, the water is flowing at max rate into a pipe that has zero flow rate.

[fierce ruin]

which recipe is better?

(making uranium fuel rods)

[fierce ruin]

Up to you on which is easier for you to make between HSCs and AILs tbh.

[fierce ruin]

A good fluffy boi.

[muted storm]

@signal nimbus If you have a sec

[signal nimbus]

...not that I don't, but I don't know pipes and fluids that well, so I'd probably steer you wrong.

[muted storm]

oh okies np

[signal nimbus]

I can manage, I can't teach.

[muted storm]

xD

[signal nimbus]

Now... load balancing on the other hand. That I'm good at. Most useless skill ever, but I'm good at it.

[ashen girder]

Sounds like a bugged pipe. You rebuilt the guilty one yet?

[muted storm]

No I haven't touched anything

[ashen girder]

Sometimes pipes bug and just refuse to accept pressure.

[muted storm]

oooh

[ashen girder]

If you decon the offending fella and rebuild it, it might start flowing correctly.

[west cedar]

Is there a way to play this game like factorio? I usually bring the exact resources i need into a building but could i just have a full belt going in and then move overflow back to the "bus" is that a valid way to play satisfactory?

[ashen girder]

Is there a way to? Sure. Just... do. 😂

There isn't really any invalid way of playing a game.

Will that annihilate your FPS, curse your family, and break your heart when it's a nightmare?

[muted storm]

I'm sorry, but there's only one correct way to play this open world factory simulator.

[ashen girder]

...maybe.

[west cedar]

hahaha i hope you know what i mean

[ashen girder]

Remember: we have infinite resource deposits and limited terrain.

[west cedar]

In factorio its like the best way to play. In satisfactory it seems like the best way is to math your way to 100% efficiency

[ashen girder]

That's very opposite to Factorio's finite resources and unlimited terrain.

[west cedar]

Its just so hard to work backwards lol just trying to save my brain

[ashen girder]

It is. Especially on the bigger ones.

You can use one of the tools for it to help. I think almost everyone does at this point.

[west cedar]

I am trying hard to create a Railworld like i would in factorio

But its hard to figure out what i need and how much extra i may have.

[muted storm]

Especially at the start, I'd say don't worry about the math. As Tugboat says, you appreciate the math later as you refine your strategy and feel bad that half of your machines are doing nothing waiting for other parts to be produced 🙂

The only place where I've found math to be a necessity is for these darn water pipes, which I'd honestly classify as "buggy".

[west cedar]

I had 100% efficiency on heavy frames with 18 manufacturers during update 3 and 27 perfectly efficient nuclear reactors... but since then i havent designed any large bases

[muted storm]

yeah I haven't played since U3 either :/

[fierce ruin]

is there a formula to work out how many smelters you need to produce an item e.g. how many you need to get iron plates

[ashen girder]

Yes, it's the sum of all of the precursor items, and all of their precursors, recurse until you get to the amount of ore you need, and divide by the number of ore a smelter uses per minute for that item.

That may sound sarcastic, but it isn't. Iron plates require 30 ingot/min. Iron smelters produce 30 ingots/min. So for every 20 iron plates/min, you need 30 ingots/min.

[fierce ruin]

ok thanks

[muted storm]

Okay so, every consumer of water in my network is turned off and filled with water. The water extractors have stopped producing water because they think everything is full. And yet... the first pipe after our junction here is only half full. How...?!

[muted storm]

@oblique hollow I read your PDF (I wrote about it earlier) and I still don't get this. Can you advise?

[gloomy gyro]

gahh why do my things say 98 and 99% efficiency, for super basic copper conversions?

[topaz hedge]

that's a headlift issue.

[topaz hedge]

water extractors and production buildings only provide 10m of headlift. you can visualize this by building walls next to the water extractor, 2 walls is 8m.

The easy way to remedy your issue would be to simply place pumps on the pipe leading out of the water extractors.

[muted storm]

Thanks man. So basically, the extractors are saying "it's full up to 10m", and shutting off.

[indigo plank]

Trying to make an efficiant steel factory with AI limiters being made of any extra copper of what I have pulled in. and trying to wrap my head arround if the alt copper alloy for as much as I can with the extra iron I have here is better to do and make the wire needed for my steel plant with that and the rest to sheets or if it is better since the steel just needs wire to iron wire the wire and the alloy out of whatever I have left... Anyone crunch the numbers before and know a good strat for how to get max copper in earlyish game?

[fierce ruin]

@strange hedge is there a question in here or is this just you moving #screenshots into this channel?

[strange hedge]

Oh my god,sorry about that. i will delete mys creenshot.

[ashen girder]

Hope you're happy, Sev. Yeesh.

[oblique isle]

I need ya'll help and/or idea:
I need to pull 9 rods/min out of a line of 21 rods/minute
How would I go about doing this?

[ashen girder]

With a splitter.

[oblique isle]

Load balancer

[strange hedge]

Ok done, hope I didn't cause any problems.

[ashen girder]

Godspeed, friend.

[fierce ruin]

No problems I was just waiting for the "here's the math-meta issue" and it was just a "lemme show of my pics" so more confused than anything.

[strange hedge]

I agree, I will be more careful from now on.

[fierce ruin]

Send all 21 to the 9 and put the overflow to carry on the rest 🙂

[wind spade]

just a single splitter will do it's job if you don't want to mess with load balnacing

[ashen girder]

Mine was pithiest.

[fierce ruin]

Single splitter is the lowtech way too. 🙂

Because the 9 will still back up and send all the overflow on.

[magic island]

21 into 9 and 12? you got it

[ashen girder]

Imagine using that many machines to split a line that carries iron rods.

[magic island]

manifolds may be the compact and easy way, but why put up with looking at backed-up manifold conveyors when you can make a big outlandish gizmo that takes up too much space, so you can send the right ratios from the start?

[fierce ruin]

I'm still on this being a quantity of 21....

[ashen girder]

I just put my manifold splitters right up against the producers.. can't really see the stopped lines...

[fierce ruin]

Put them inside the producers.

[ashen girder]

Ew.

[magic island]

i do use manifolds a fair amount, but sometimes its entertaining to solve a little ratio-splitting puzzle and create these silly structures in-game. i put glass walls around them. it's like a conversation piece on the factory floor.

[ashen girder]

That's my kind of balancer there.

I agree that they're fun puzzles.

[frosty pawn]

and the conversation is always "why bother?"

[ashen girder]

Art!

[fierce ruin]

For larger quantities I understand it.

We're talking about 21 ppm though....

Why bother indeed.

[frosty pawn]

how do you even get 21ppm?

[ashen girder]

I'm gonna start clocking my shit to just completely random numbers to fuck with all of you.

[frosty pawn]

instead of wasting time on the splitting problem, fix the 21ppm problem

[fierce ruin]

You will become the second person I have ever blocked 😛

[magic island]

why bother making an absurd ratio splitting conveyor sculpture? you may as well ask: why bother turning a slug into a zoo exhibit instead of collecting it?

[frosty pawn]

i like this. i do not like the dumb splitter junk.

[topaz hedge]

zoo sug is a happy sug.

[fierce ruin]

I now resolve to make a Slug Balancer.

Just for @frosty pawn .

[frosty pawn]

⚖️

[fierce ruin]

Need to get like 100 slugs though.
So it can look pretty.

[frosty pawn]

do it

[topaz hedge]

you're making me feel bad for hog murdering. plz stop

[thorn bane]

yup works
but you keep in mind that you have a buffer of 32 items until it overflows
i actually had a probelm with that in an old U4 playthrough where i was sending electro magnetic control rods to my Uranium fuel rods factory and then to my plutonium fuel rod factory to sink the waste
but i didnt have nearly enough to fill the station with 3200 EMCs so i ended up not building any plutonium rods flooding my entire production with radioactive waste xD