Start the time when it honks, and end it when it honks again leaving the second station
#math-and-meta
mortal drift
fierce ruin
How many trains are doing this route?
fierce ruin
Does it need precisely 3, or does it need 3-ish?
thorn bane
idk
it goes to 2 different spots
mortal drift
When he gives me the travelling time, I can tell him if it's too much, enough or too little.
thorn bane
i have 1 for 1 spot at 900/min and 2 to the other spot at 1900/min
i still think traveling time doesnt matter
btw its gonna be a while since i need to wait until the train is full xD
mortal drift
Okay well - again, I'll post the math for you then.
fierce ruin
Like what I'm saying is, unless train 3 is docking the moment it fills up to then go, setting it to "wait until full" isn't really helping that much.
thorn bane
no the queue at the stations waiting to roll in
fierce ruin
no the queue at the stations waiting to roll in
In that case I would definitely turn off waiting.
So they can dock, take what is there, and move. Less waiting and less traffic back up that way.
thorn bane
#old-questions-and-help message
this is the setup
you can see the second train waiting until the first is full
thorn bane
In that case I would definitely turn off waiting.
So they can dock, take what is...
i dont think you can get >780 throughput that way
fierce ruin
You can get >780 throughput on a train easily that way.
You just cannot get to 1560.
thorn bane
well atleast not on long tracks with multiple trains is what i mean
the issue would be if 2 trains dock after each other and then theres a long pause
fierce ruin
Which you just said they are waiting for each other with your current "wait till full system".
thorn bane
yes you need to wait so they dont dock at the same time
fierce ruin
Unless you build them one immediately after the other that will never happen.
thorn bane
btw current throughput is 1100 since im currently inputting 1100 but im plannign to increase it to 1400
fierce ruin
Build one, send it. Once it reaches the other station build the other.
That way you've always got one docked at the opposite station.
thorn bane
Build one, send it. Once it reaches the other station build the other.
thats impossible to time
and it would have the same effect right? instead of manually timing it you tiem it with wait until full
(just to make sure it doesnt block until its full its always 30s)
fierce ruin
Not if the alternating stations loop would happen when they are like 60% full.
Then you're just wasting time waiting for the other 40%.
mortal drift
You need to take the time from Honk to Honk in minutes. You can round up to .25, so if it's 3 minutes and 28 seconds, make it 3.5.
You can add .5 per stop. Lets use an example of two stations.
We will continue using the example of 4.5 as time.
You take the time, 4.5 and times that the desired throughput times two, in this case 2800x2=5600.
So 4.5x2800=25200
So it means that in the time your train does one entire loop, it needs to be able to carry 25200 items.
You have two carts, one carts is 32 slots, so 64 slots of cargo. Steel Pipes can stack up to 200, so that's 64*200, meaning 12800.
So it is essentially less than half of the carts needed, for a 3 minutes and 28 seconds trip.
The last equation is 25200/(32x200)
That's the real math.
fierce ruin
thats impossible to time
and it would have the same effect right? instead of man...
It's also not impossible to time because you can just watch the first train on your map...
thorn bane
well it actually is in my case since they go to 2 different stations
fierce ruin
Ok so we're talking about a 3-station loop now?
mortal drift
That's not at all impossible?
You time from the first honk to the third honk then.
And then you add 1.5 to the time
And do the equation.
deft lichen
@thorn bane @ashen girder wiki will be updated once U5 reaches stable, unless you measured it on U4
thorn bane
ok i have an outpost makign steelpipes 2800/min
i have an outpost making automated wiring that takes 900/min
and i have my main base taking 1900/min
i have 1 train going from steel pipe -> AW and 2 trains going from steel pipe -> Main
deft lichen
Good find
thorn bane
<@284823369977954306> <@224268614298107904> wiki will be updated once U5 reaches...
measured it in U4 aswell
deft lichen
Alright, will update asap
thorn bane
ty ❤️
thorn bane
still timing chill
fierce ruin
ok i have an outpost makign steelpipes 2800/min
i have an outpost making automat...
Oh.. I have my trains manifolded. 😦 So they just dump all at the first stop until it fills up, then they attempt dump at first and carry all to second. 😬
thorn bane
i feel like that be hard with >780 throughput but idk
mortal drift
and by the way, the number you get after the equation 25200/(32x200) in the example, is the number of carts needed.
To meet that demand.
thorn bane
ok roundtrip time is 8min 30s (roughly since there was a train docking)
fierce ruin
Unless you're intentionally not double-belting your platforms I am unsure where this hangup on 780 is coming from?
thorn bane
im currently gettign 2200 throughput using 2 carts
mortal drift
Okay - so then.. let us do this together
8.5+1.5
That's 10, then you wanted 2800 throughput, so 5600.
So 56000
ashen girder
Am I the only one that has variable round trips because of signals and intersections?
mortal drift
You're running two carts, so that's 12800 per train, you have three trains.. you transport 38400 then.
mortal drift
Am I the only one that has variable round trips because of signals and intersect...
It does have a impact, sure.. but in the grand scheme of things, if you build your intersections well, it should average out and not be that much of a problem. At least imo and in my world.
38400<56000
So no, 3 trains with 2 carts each will not be enough.
ashen girder
It *does* have a impact, sure.. but in the grand scheme of things, if you build ...
Sure, but if you're mathing it and timing it.. how do you know which end of average you're on?
thorn bane
but im currently getting 1100 items per minute
with your math that should be impossible
mortal drift
Okay...
You really think that impact is gonna fix the discrepency between him delivering 38400 right now and wanting 56000? @ashen girder
ashen girder
Okay...
You really think that impact is gonna fix the discrepency between him d...
Nope.
mortal drift
🤷♂️ He needs two more trains.
ashen girder
Don't recall ever implying it did. 😂
thorn bane
🤷♂️ He needs two more trains.
no youre using wrong math
with your math 1100 would be impossible
thorn bane
Oh.. I have my trains manifolded. 😦 So they just dump all at the first stop unt...
wouldnt that mean i need more trains since all my trains have to go to 2 stations so the roundtrip is longer?
fierce ruin
@thorn bane how many cars are on this train?
thorn bane
2
fierce ruin
2 cars with the incoming fill rate of 1200 each, right?
thorn bane
currently 1100 i want it to go up to 1400 yes
fierce ruin
And you're getting 1100 at the output. Which makes perfect sense.
thorn bane
i mean right now im only providing 1100/min
mortal drift
Yeah.. I don't see how my math is wrong?
topaz hedge
but im currently getting 1100 items per minute
with your math that should be imp...
You know that items/min thing is about as accurate as the machine efficiency displayed in the UI x:
fierce ruin
Yes. And you're getting 1100 out, as you should.
topaz hedge
or the drone port port UI.
thorn bane
yes so right now im transport everything im producing
im curious if it would work if i up it to 1400
mortal drift
Okay. So - you said the time from first honk to third was 8.5 minutes, and you have three stations?
And you want to transport 1400 per minute?
Correct?
fierce ruin
yes so right now im transport everything im producing
im curious if it would wor...
Gotcha. Gimme a minute. It should work, but I can confirm.
thorn bane
Okay. So - you said the time from first honk to third was 8.5 minutes, and you h...
i have 2 freightplatforms
mortal drift
Yes - each train has two carts.
topaz hedge
1400 is 700/min.. it should be possible from one platform.. in theory
thorn bane
correct
mortal drift
Correct?
thorn bane
1400 is 700/min.. it should be possible from one platform.. in theory
no its 2800 total
mortal drift
Wait. Then no lol.
ashen girder
There's lots of math going on in here. Not sure there's much else though. 😂
thorn bane
#math-and-meta message
#old-questions-and-help message
2 stations 2800 steelpipes/min total
so 1 station is 1400/min
im currently only providing 2200 (1100 each) and i want to know if it would work with 2800
topaz hedge
the total from all your train platfoms for train throughput Irrelevant. for math purposes we only need the throughput of one station.
thorn bane
i know its 1100 now and i want to know if 1400 works
topaz hedge
steelpipe is a stack of 200 yeah?
thorn bane
yes
wind spade
train blocks it for 25 seconds
topaz hedge
That might be what makes it possible.
thorn bane
30seconds
ashen girder
28
mortal drift
8.5 minutes traveling time
1.5 minutes of locking belts due to docking
desired throughput is 2.800x2 because round trip.
5.600
10x5.600=56.000 items needed to be carried each round trip.
Even if I'm wrong with the belts locking, you'd still need to transport 8.5*5.600=47.600 items per round trip.
Which, you're carrying two carts per train, each cart has 32 slots, so 64 slots, you're sending steel pipes.. which means 200 per stack..
That means one train with two carts can carry 12.800 in total.
But you have three trains doing this route, so that means 12.800x3, which is 38.400
topaz hedge
I had a chart for freightplatform throughput..
topaz hedge
it was on the wiki but it got removed and replaced with some fancy math..
mortal drift
I literally just did the math but everyone is ignoring it and just keeps talking about how much it could possibly be.
thorn bane
8.5 minutes traveling time
1.5 minutes of locking belts due to docking
desired ...
well that doesnt tell me if they actually load fast enough
i know 3 trains is enough if you ignore blocking
ashen girder
I literally just did the math but everyone is ignoring it and just keeps talking...
Welcome to the Meta part? 😂
thorn bane
you cant just say its 3 trains and multiply throughput by 3
wind spade
^
mortal drift
Assuming you stagger then, for simplicity, yes I can.
Especially since they'll counter out eachother after a while with blocking.
fierce ruin
@thorn bane 8m 30s was including animation times, yes?
wind spade
Assuming you stagger then, for simplicity, yes I can.
blocking input is a thing
mortal drift
Which I accounted for - did you even read it?
thorn bane
<@!284823369977954306> 8m 30s was including animation times, yes?
nah and it was very rough estimate since it stopped infront of another car
wind spade
Which I accounted for - did you even read it?
I did. But you can't multiply throughput of one train by 3 to get throughput of 3 trains
fierce ruin
I can work with rough estimates.
This particular train has 2 stops or 3?
topaz hedge
I think it possible if you stagger trains.
fierce ruin
A to B is roughly 830 or A to C?
thorn bane
A to B is 900 A to C is 1900
fierce ruin
8m30s sorry.
mortal drift
2 trains A to B
1 train A to C
And when were you gonna tell us this?
I asked for all of the details before..
topaz hedge
The one thing that concerns me is you're getting pretty close to 780/min and.. your belt has to be fast enough to move enough items so when the train docks your buffer doesn't empty
topaz hedge
I would build it, and test it with awesome sinks and see what it do.
fierce ruin
The math is this:
((TripTime - (Animation * StationCount)) / TripTime) * 1560 = Max Throughput per Car.
thorn bane
The one thing that concerns me is you're getting pretty close to 780/min and.. y...
yep thats the issue 🙂
according to my math its just barely enough
fierce ruin
So if A to B is 8m 30s then your max is 1394.33/min
fierce ruin
That's using 27.08s.
For 1 loop there are 2 animations. Both for loading and unloading.
thorn bane
but i only care about the loading animation since i have trains waiting so it doesnt matter how long they unload
just image its 10 trains instead i think that makes it easier
fierce ruin
It matters though. Because you aren't getting throughput during either the loading or unloading.
So both detract from the total possible.
thorn bane
i just care about the time it takes to load the train right? as long as that is lower than my throughput it should be fine
fierce ruin
Oh you're saying don't factor the unloading animation time?
Hm.... I guess in a way it doesn't matter.
So then yeah, 8m30s travel time has a max throughput of 1466.17.
thorn bane
ok so a train docks
it now waits 28 seconds
it then loads 6400 steelpipes at 2x780/min so 4min 6 seconds
so in total 4min 34 seconds
so in total i have a train coming every 4min 34 seconds
4min 34 seconds * 6400 items is 1401 items/min
again i dont think the travel time matters since i always have a train waiting
fierce ruin
Travel Time usually is just "Time The Loading Station is Filling"
thorn bane
also i just finished the space elevator 🥳
fierce ruin
Because that's what you need. % of time the station is actually filling * belt speed.
thorn bane
Because that's what you need. % of time the station is actually filling * belt s...
but since it always waits until 32 stacks that independ of travel time right?
fierce ruin
Yes, so for you specifically it would be ((TimeToFill - Animation) / TimeToFill) * 1560 = Max Throughput per Car.
If there is always a train waiting to be filled.
thorn bane
i mean if there isnt ill just add 10 trains
what is TimeToFill is that with 780 or with 700?
fierce ruin
Fair, but you can do 1477 throughput per car on 1 train with an 8m30s timer.
So 10 trains seems a bit much.
fierce ruin
what is TimeToFill is that with 780 or with 700?
TimeToFill is how long it takes to fill the car, which will be dependent on stack size.
fierce ruin
Le Graph
thorn bane
depending on?
fierce ruin
Hour long train still hits only 1548 throughput per car.
thorn bane
i still dont get how an hour long train changes anything
it will still be a train every 4min36s
fierce ruin
You don't have an hour long train, you have a 4m36s train.
Graph just 1. is fun and 2. shows 1560 is improssibru.
ashen girder
Asymptotes are stupid.
thorn bane
no i mean if your roundtrip is 1hour you just have 15 trains departing every 4min 36
fierce ruin
Asymptotes are stupid.
DumbAs(symptote)
thorn bane
i mean how else are you gonna get that throughput
fierce ruin
With 1 hour long train. 😛
(I'm past your particular scenario since we already solved it)
thorn bane
so 20 freight cars or what?
no thank you xD
fierce ruin
I mean the formula obviously hard-caps when the station fills, because then you're changing it to this:
((TotalTripTime - (Animation + TimeSpentFull)) / TotalTripTime) * 1560 = Max Throughput per Car.
So you could honestly simplify/complicate it to:
((TimeSpentFillingPlatform - TimeSpentNotFillingPlatform) / TotalRoundTripTime) * (NumberOfBelts * BeltSpeed) = MaxThroughput per Car
If you wanted it purely in variables.
But since "TimeSpentFull" should always be 0...
NumberOfBelts should always be 2, and realistically when going for max you're thinking in belt speeds of 780. Add in the animation time being fixed and the formula simplifies to:
((FillingTime - 27.08) / TotalRoundTripTime) * 1560 = MTpC
Which technically means in shorter distances... Trucks win. 😛
thorn bane
well thats assuming you dont just build multiple trains
fierce ruin
Even then. Trucks can actually hit 1560 now.
Since they begin belting the moment the first stack is unloaded.
As long as you aren't fully loading the every single slot in a truck.
Station is also loading behind them while they are loading. So you don't have any throughput loss unless the station at either end of the loop becomes full.
thorn bane
ok next question how the hell do i balance this if i would go for 3 stations
i have 6 lines of 440/min and 1 of 160/min going into 3 stations
cedar mica
You balance it, by stations. So whats input into a station, is a belt on the other side
fierce ruin
ok next question how the hell do i balance this if i would go for 3 stations
i h...
Platforms or Stations?
thorn bane
platforms sorry
fierce ruin
What are you trying to balance?
The math above is per platform since it is per car.
So since none of those platforms are trying to hit 1560, they will all have the throughput exactly where you want them.
thorn bane
nah i just need to get exactly 2800/3 into the platform otherwise the load until full will be screwed since they wont be full at the same time
fierce ruin
My solution is just stop doing the load until full 😛
thorn bane
then how would you time the trains so its perfectly 1400/min
topaz hedge
longer train? maybe? 3 cars rather than 2 x:
fierce ruin
then how would you time the trains so its perfectly 1400/min
Manifold 🙂
thorn bane
but thats extra effort
building longer platforms is pain
thorn bane
Manifold 🙂
?
topaz hedge
bruh... lol
fierce ruin
Just overload the shit out of station A until it fills up.
After that, it will stop at A and take everything to B.
thorn bane
bruh... lol
compared to clicking "wait until full"???
thorn bane
Just overload the shit out of station A until it fills up.
how would that help me to get 1400 throughput on 8min roundtrip?
topaz hedge
considering how long you've spent here and how long you've spent trying to make it work with 2.. it seems like a valid solution
fierce ruin
You need 900 at one and you have 2800.
So keep sending 2800 until the 900 cannot accept anymore.
thorn bane
wat?
fierce ruin
Sec
Had to find what you wrote earlier.
Send the trains on a loop through all 3 stations.
thorn bane
yes how would that help me?
fierce ruin
You need 900 at one and you have 2800.
So keep sending 2800 until the 900 cannot accept anymore.
Just overload the shit out of station A until it fills up.
After that, it will stop at A and take everything to B.
thorn bane
the problem is the 2800 not the 900
im wasnt sure if i can hit 2800
fierce ruin
On an 8m30s loop you can do 1477 per car.
thorn bane
that sounds wrong
fierce ruin
So if you have 2 cars on 1 train, that can do 2954.
thorn bane
there is no way 1 train does 2954 with 8min roundtrip wat
fierce ruin
That's literally what "((TimeSpentFillingPlatform - TimeSpentNotFillingPlatform) / TotalRoundTripTime) * (NumberOfBelts * BeltSpeed) = MaxThroughput per Car" is solving
If Total Round Trip is 8m30s, you have 1477 per car.
So 1 train with 2 cars is double that.
thorn bane
oh right i keep forgetting that its 200 stack size xD
wait what?
if you have 1 train with 2 cars taking 8min 30s you can at most have 6400/(8min 30s) = 750 items/min
thorn bane
i think your formula is wrong
fierce ruin
TimeSpentFilling is different than TravelTime so when you're making things wait until full it's a bit different.
thorn bane
welt you said with a round trip of 8min30s you can have 1477 throughput with 1 train/1car
thats impossible
fierce ruin
Why?
thorn bane
because at most you can move train size per trip time
fierce ruin
Ok.
thorn bane
if you have 1 train the maximum throughput you could ever get is ~750
you need multiple trains to get >780 if you have longer than 8min trip time
fierce ruin
This is because of your stack size?
thorn bane
well with 100 stack size its 4min 6s trip time for 780
fierce ruin
Yes, so this is where the "TimeSpentNotFilling" comes into play.
Because due to the TotalRoundTripTime you've got space where the platform is backed up if you're doing only 1 train.
Like I said the formula is hard-capped by stack limit.
Let me re-write it because I can see what you're saying so I need to add variables I cancelled out.
752.94ish is what you're getting @thorn bane ?
thorn bane
that was just a rough estimate without docking time
fierce ruin
Animation time cancels out if you have 1 loading station.
thorn bane
how does the animation cancel out?
it def. should be in there otherwise youre gettign 1560
fierce ruin
Wait... I think I found it.
fierce ruin
Oh this is simpler than I thought. 🤦♂️
@thorn bane TimeToFill = TTF, StackSize = SS, StackLimit = SL, RoundTrip = RT, Animation = A
TTF = SS * SL / 1560
If TTF >= RT: MaxThrough = ((RT - A) / RT) * 1560
If TTF < RT: MaxThrough = (TTF / RT) * 1560
wind spade
does it have enough ingots?
fierce ruin
Your stack size is 200.
Limit is 32.
6400/1560 = 4.1 which is less than your travel time of 8.5m.
However, you said the actual travel time is 4-ish mins if you're waiting for the car to be full every time.
So if the 4m6s fill time matches the travel time, then you go back to the first formula. And I'm getting a max through of 1388 ish.
@thorn bane
lunar pivot
@wind spade
wind spade
?
thorn bane
ok i build the extra 600 steel pipes/min
its going up 🙂
fierce ruin
It could potentially hit 1400 depending on the actual route time.
But 1380-1400 sounds correct without exact numbers.
Those 2 formulas do account for all scenarios though so I am confident in saying they are the formulas 🙂
lunar pivot
?
U asked if it gets enough ingets
I showed u screenshot
it shows the problem just dont know how to fix
wind spade
screenshot doesn't tell me anything. How much ingots per minute do you produce
and it doesn't show any problem
fierce ruin
ok i build the extra 600 steel pipes/min
its going up 🙂
The funny part (to me) is that after like 100 trips if you tell me what the throughput is I can tell you exactly how long the trip time is 😂
thorn bane
The funny part (to me) is that after like 100 trips if you tell me what the thro...
i still dont think its related to trip time if you do wait until full
fierce ruin
i still dont think its related to trip time if you do wait until full
If you wait until full it still has to travel from origin to destination.
thorn bane
if you ahve 1 min roundtrip and 1 train it docks every 4min6s
if you have 60 min roundtrip and 20 trains they still dock every 4min6s
fierce ruin
What is changing is that instead of doing RoundTripTime you're reducing that simply to PointToPointTime.
lunar pivot
screenshot doesn't tell me anything. How much ingots per minute do you produce
Sorry buddy had to get off
What i meant was in the ss u see i got splitter and 1 of those bands u see more ingots then the other 1
wind spade
because the belt is longer?
fierce ruin
if you ahve 1 min roundtrip and 1 train it docks every 4min6s
if you have 60 min...
4m6s is the "TripTime" there?
Or are you calling that variable something else?
lunar pivot
Does that matter?
lunar pivot
It doesnt feel as fast tho
thorn bane
4m6s is the "TripTime" there?
Or are you calling that variable something else?
time until the car is full so wait time since its set to wait until full
lunar pivot
I was making plates and u can only have 3 in the machine maybe
fierce ruin
TimeUntilFull + Time it takes to go from A to B though.
thorn bane
but the time from a to b doeesnt matter
the only thing restricting you from 1560 throughput is the dockign animation
and that will ALWAYS happen every 4min6s because thats when you have produced enough items to fill a car
fierce ruin
If you have a train leaving every 4m6s that means you have one arriving at the other station every 4m6s, right?
thorn bane
i dont really care about the other station but in a 1 to 1 case yes
if its like my example where i have multiple outputs then no
fierce ruin
In your example unless the 2 stations you're sending trains to are exactly the same distance from origin, they will have different throughputs.
thorn bane
yes (also depending on which trains go where)
fierce ruin
So, given that, if I may use the 1-1 example:
thorn bane
all i care about is if i can get my production into a train fast enough
because then i know it has to go somewhere
but if my production train stalls im in trouble
fierce ruin
If TTF >= RT: MaxThrough = ((RT - A) / RT) * 1560
Your TTF = 4m6s, and the train arrives every 4m6s.
So the total time is 4m6s + Animation.
Which, RT-A gets rid of the animation, and is therefore your FillTime (Because TTF = RT when they are both 4m6s).
Meaning the formula is still working, you're just putting TTF where RT is (which is fine because they are equal).
In your case, writing it ((TTF - A) / TTF) * 1560 is the same thing.
It's when the fill time is longer than RT, which applies when you're not using "wait till full" that writing it my way matters.
And travel time definitely plays a part even when "wait until full" if the TTF < RT.
As shown in the second formula.
Say it take 4m6s to fill that container but 6m to get from A to B.
Second formula then applies, not the first.
Until you add multiple trains, because then it takes it back to RT = TTF given one will always be the exact difference between RT and TTF behind the other.
thorn bane
so it depends on the time to fill not the roundtrip time right?
(4min6s not the 8min30s)
thats what i meant with the roundtrip time doesnt matter (only the time to fill)
fierce ruin
With the way you're doing it you are making TTF = RT.
Meaning yes, it can be done entirely in terms of fill time.
So your max is ((TTF - A) / TTF) * 1560
thorn bane
anyway i think im done with satisfactory for a while
i achieved my goal of golden cup and 13 Million awesome points/min (20 ADS 2TPR 1 pasta/min) in a fresh U5 playthrough
but most of those 150 hour was with <20 fps which is just super unfun to play with so until they change that or im upgrading my pc im gonna peace out 🙂
(more pictures here: <#screenshots message>)
thorn bane
GTX 1070
CPU is i7-6700K
lunar pivot
Still good
Idk how much FPS im getting and idc how much exactly because it makes me paranoid
Aslong as i dont see it
It runs good for me tho
I probally dont have anything close to your factory
I just got the game
chrome halo
some good old texture down-scaling and u are back with fps xD 80% is good. i playing with 50 fps on old potato that is not even supported 😄
topaz hedge
anyway i think im done with satisfactory for a while
i achieved my goal of golde...
congrats on the cup, We'll see you again soon prehaps
ashen girder
If I'm producing both silica and concrete at the same place, is there a reason not to use Fine Concrete and Cheap Silica?
fringe pawn
I'd rather put silica into the sink. What other resources can be addressed at that location?
wind spade
If I'm producing both silica and concrete at the same place, is there a reason n...
I'd definitely consider it
tools recommend it if you don't have water or oil
fierce ruin
If I'm producing both silica and concrete at the same place, is there a reason n...
I now hate Cheap Silica as it is one of the only recipes that doesn't respect the rule of 45.
But other than that... no. No reason to not do it.
lost marsh
Oh! Hello! To be brief, not much:
-it's the same as production planner with fewer options/details, but same problems
-Missing arbitrary control over production restrictions, e.g. clockspeed 100% requirement, precise byproduct usage, etc., custom recipes for mods
overall I really like the existing tools, I just wanted to create something I had very fine-level control over without forking a branch and changing the src
fierce ruin
I now hate Cheap Silica as it is one of the only recipes that doesn't respect th...
whats cheap silicas recipe?
Limestone + Quartz = Silica?
wind spade
Oh! Hello! To be brief, not much:
```
-it's the same as production planner with ...
-it's the same as production planner with fewer options/details, but same problems
what prodcution planner do you mean here?
ashen girder
Probably SCIM. 😂
wind spade
ah. And "fewer options" was that I have fewer or they have fewer? 🤔
fierce ruin
Limestone + Quartz = Silica?
I see
ashen girder
Yours definitely has fewer.
SCIM's simple mode is basically the exact same.
SCIM's advanced mode is.... kind of a lot.
(I'm not making any value judgments here. I don't use the advanced stuff.)
fierce ruin
It comes out in 26.25's so thats 105 as the whole number. It goes into 60's nicely but blegh if you try to make it 45.
fringe pawn
I looked at SCIM's advanced stuff and noped my way out
wind spade
scim can't do loops e.g.
lost marsh
SCIM's advanced mode is.... kind of a lot.
wait there's an advance mode?
lost marsh
oh cool, yeah that's what I was using, was worried I missed something XD
wind spade
Oh! Hello! To be brief, not much:
```
-it's the same as production planner with ...
clockspeed 100% requirement
I've actually tried this and it produces a lot of byproducts so I deemed it not useful.
precise byproduct usage
not sure what do you mean by this?
custom recipes for mods
it's planned for the future, but iirc scim doesn't have it either
ashen girder
> clockspeed 100% requirement
I've actually tried this and it produces a lot of ...
I've actually tried this and it produces a lot of byproducts so I deemed it not useful.
The reason your calculator always annoys me. 😂
I want those byproducts. I do it intentionally. But it means I can't actually rely on your calculator at all.
wind spade
Yours definitely has fewer.
I don't want for this to be "mine is better/worse", but checking SCIM now it isn't that different from what I have. SCIM doesn't do resource limits, also doesn't seem to optimise for raw resources 🤷♂️
ashen girder
I don't want for this to be "mine is better/worse", but checking SCIM now it isn...
Yeah, I wasn't trying to make it that kind of thing.
wind spade
I _want_ those byproducts. I do it intentionally. But it means I can't actually ...
so add them to your production 🤷♂️
ashen girder
so add them to your production 🤷♂️
That means I have to calculate them individually. For every step. It's basically as much work to just.. do it by hand anyway.
wheat saddle
I know this is numbers so, is this the max the map has for resources?
vast jungle
yes, that should be the map max
wheat saddle
wait am I supposed to use all the crude oil on map just to make the item TPR (max a minute)
sand epoch
No, you tell it how much you want to use first.
stark bronze
Do batteries have less power than it is required to make them
wheat saddle
No, you tell it how much you want to use first.
I did
#maximize
cause thats what Im goin for
topaz hedge
wait am I supposed to use all the crude oil on map just to make the item TPR (ma...
confused.
topaz hedge
yes, that is the maxium resources on the map
topaz hedge
xd goodnight. ps: don't try to make 100 thermal rockets a min
wheat saddle
I will..
topaz hedge
1 or 2 will do x:
wheat spear
hey all, i have a question, I need to do a 40/60 split with splitter and I am really confused on how to do that. basically i am looking to have 240 steel go one way and about 170 go the other.
so the input is 410 total
i think i got it
This is what i got, its not perfect, but I think its close. I got about 136 and 274 in the other.
signal nimbus
Was gonna say, that's not a 40/60.
wheat spear
lol
signal nimbus
Easy math: split the 410 in half, there's 205. Split again in a 1:5, that's 41 each. Take one of the 41s and split it into 8. That's 5.125 each. Take all but 1 and that's 35ish. 240, to within 1/minute.
Alternatively: overflow and don't bother.
wheat spear
ok, Is that Common Core math or old school math?? 🙂 jk thanks
magic island
manifolds get the job done, but sometimes you wanna have a little fun and perfectly split some bizarre ratio. this glass cube in my nuclear plant splits rubber in a 14:15 ratio
silent basin
yea we are almost done with the last phase so we are cleaning up alot of stuff trying to get the best lines going, btw i am theraymans brother lol
potent aurora
hey all, i have a question, I need to do a 40/60 split with splitter and I am re...
Why not use advantage of the belt speeds? you got the perfect number (240=2xMK2) that you want for it.
fierce ruin
If that splitter actually behaved I would be astounded.
potent aurora
why wouldn't it? The belt speed will not take more then 120 so the rest is forced out the other way.
fierce ruin
Splitting into different belt speeds doesn't always go as expected due to the splitter's internal storages.
frosty owl
Why not use advantage of the belt speeds? you got the perfect number (240=2xMK2)...
I was about to say that, the first solution proposed was way too complex ahahah
But you need a smart splitter at the first split ^^
fierce ruin
Like it could go 170/120/120.
But you also will sometimes get 172/119/119 or other things. It is weird.
potent aurora
hmmm. would the 410 feed in that he has not rectify that in the long run?
I mean that internal storage is nonstop fed by the input faster then the 2 MK2's can pull it out.
frosty owl
The MK3 could still have preference and the mk2 could not be full as Sev pointed out ^^
There is nothing forcing the items to go on the mk2s rather than the MK3
potent aurora
so a bypass (splitter) from the 170 line to the 2 MK2's (merger) would rectify that then.
frosty owl
The only cases where this works reliably is when you're inputting more than the output, so each of the output belt *must be full
frosty owl
so a bypass (splitter) from the 170 line to the 2 MK2's (merger) would rectify t...
I don't know what you mean by "bypass", I'm just saying to extract the 170 as overflow instead as a normal split ^^ (overflow setting with a smart splitters, where the rest of the items are sent towards the mk2s)
frosty owl
manifolds get the job done, but sometimes you wanna have a little fun and perfec...
Honestly, I've given up on balancing rubber for nuclear 
Tooany weird numbers, I'm overflowing it all (though, I'm also including the rubber production inside the nuclear factory, so I don't have all that much space for balancing anyway)
potent aurora
kinda like this (quick and dirty modification) now the MK3 wil try to fill the MK2 incase of it not been saturated.
frosty owl
Eh, lots of work just to avoid a smart splitter xD
I'm not sure this would work either, but the idea is correct. To make sure it works flawlessly without trying it out, I'd split the "170" line again and merge 2 outputs with the couple empty mergers' inputs making the 120s)
potent aurora
I dont know if the person asking the orignal question has access to them yet. I just found it weird ppl dont use advantge of the belt speed to achieve the final split. But with your explanation of the internal buffer i could see why (if not using smart splitters)
potent aurora
Myself, i'm only been playing for bout 2 weeks so i'm also still learning 😉
It was just the logic in my mind seeing that other solution that i thought, this is to complicated 🤣
wind spade
Relying on belt speeds doesn't always work
fierce ruin
I built ...two complicated splitting systems, I think.
One of them consisting of 30-ish splitters.
Afterwards I simply use rate limiting & manifolds 
it's like building 100500 fuel gens
it might be fun - for the first time
potent aurora
Like i said, i'm also manifolding, but not knowing the splitter problem, that seemed the most logical solution to that question.
fierce ruin
well, we could use a better programmable splitter tbh
because currently they're unlocked so late to do so little
frosty owl
I just say: don't expect a splitter to fill up the "slower" belts first when it has a non-full high tier output to use too (unless you can set specific rules for the outputs)
Thus why I say to use "belt throttling" only when the input exceeds the output ^^
potent aurora
tbh, why do the splitters have a internal buffer? just take the incoming item only if you can push it out. no space? entry of the item into the splitter denied 😉
frosty owl
because currently they're unlocked so late to do so little
I wouldn't mind if they allowed for a few choices for more complex splitting (eg: send x/10 to the right the rest left), but even as they are, they're the only way to balance-split mixed belts ^^
potent aurora
well thanks guys, learned something to keep in mind when I ever need it in some case scenario.
frosty owl
tbh, why do the splitters have a internal buffer? just take the incoming item on...
I don't think that would "fix" anything xD
fierce ruin
tbh, why do the splitters have a internal buffer? just take the incoming item on...
Splitters and Mergers were given an internal buffer to help fix issues they had when they didn't have one afaik.
I imagine Satisfactory has a lot of issues due to the need to accurately connect factory simulation to unreal engine world
those things are very different
wind spade
tbh, why do the splitters have a internal buffer? just take the incoming item on...
It "solves" a situation where 270 belt splits to 120/270 belts. Before buffer, the 120 belt would have less than 120
frosty owl
It's almost surely gonna have less than 120/min with a buffer too, unless you art split 🤔
||@fierce ruin I was gonna fix this ☝️ with "smart" but thought you might find this the correct version already 
😆 ||
wind spade
It's almost surely gonna have less than 120/min with a buffer too, unless you ar...
iirc now it's like 119/118, before it was like 90-110
frosty owl
Doesn't sound like a proper solution to me 🤷♂️
A machine expecting 120/min would starve with or without buffer
daring apex
I have 11.5 (ratio not value) input and need to split it to conveyors of 5 and 6.5. Is there an easy way to do this with splitters and mergers?
frosty owl
Not without quite a few split-merges. I'd use an overflow splitter and prefill, if possible
daring apex
Okay, thanks.
cinder silo
Does this look right for the 1050 uranium waste in?
lunar pivot
its suppose to make 30 a minute but it isnt making anywhere near
wind spade
its suppose to make 30 a minute but it isnt making anywhere near
it says it needs 30 plates per minute
the recipe makes 5/min reinforced plates
lunar pivot
owh i dont have 30 plates a minute
I fixed it
tho. i dont have another iron spot anymore
wind spade
there's tons of iron all over the map
vast jungle
You can overclock resource extractors
lunar pivot
Owh how
vast jungle
Get one of the glowing slugs laying all around the map and put them in the MAM
lunar pivot
I was able to overclock my CPU to 5.1ghz but no oc something in game
Im dumb
vast jungle
No, just inexperienced
vast jungle
Just remember the belt limits
lunar pivot
60 on mk1 120 on mk2
vast jungle
Exactly
But with overclock you can get 2.5 times the normal rate from a resource extractors
vast jungle
No
lunar pivot
owh
vast jungle
You don't overclock the belt
wind spade
it's how much you can output from a miner. You still need good enough belts to support that much
vast jungle
Anything you want... But with normal machines it's cheaper (in power) just to build more machines
Oc extractors to keep them at belt limit is always useful
lunar pivot
Whats a Extractor?
lunar pivot
Anything you want... But with normal machines it's cheaper (in power) just to bu...
I mean what do i build?
vast jungle
I mean what do i build?
Everything you want and need
lunar pivot
what do i need
Im making iron plates rn
How do i make Faster
And what is a Space Elevato
wary tulip
Look in your specials tab in the build menu.
lunar pivot
Owh yea how am i gonna do this
ashen girder
Owh yea how am i gonna do this
With assemblers. 😄
lunar pivot
Ugh
errant sable
i would recommend making your smart plating factory a bit bigger than you think you need
or at least easily expandable
fierce ruin
I wouldn't recommend making a factory for Project Assembly parts at all, personally.
🤷♂️
uncut sigil
That's tiny compared to what you need later 🙂
fierce ruin
^
uncut sigil
You'll scale up over time. Expect every space elevator phase to be exponentially bigger.
uncut sigil
I am currently scaling for 10/m Smart Plating, and it's a tiny tiny part of my factory.
still trout
just slap an assembler with reinforced plate and rotor inputs
no need for giant platform, yet, make as you go
uncut sigil
Big platform is one option, several smaller factories are another. It's best to find your own style. Don't worry about getting it some kind of perfect first try.
Browsing reddit and screenshot for inspiration is a good idea
lunar pivot
is this a good spot tho>
still trout
this is a picture of my base from a savefile analyzer, the area outlined in black is the platform i started with, you can see how i've expanded around it and made it longer
still trout
is this a good spot tho>
yes, you can make good factories on flat land
lunar pivot
I just dont understand why my machines are slow
still trout
2 reasons: underclock or insufficient resources
still trout
a smelter can handle 30 ore to make 30 ingots?
versed violet
is the machine input full or empty? It may be underfed
lunar pivot
still trout
and a iron rod machine can handle 15 ingots to 15 plates amirite?
still trout
exactly
lunar pivot
Yes
still trout
so you can feed 2 smelters and 4 constructors with all that iron ore
you're currently using 1 smelter and 1 constructor?
lunar pivot
Uh yes
versed violet
have you unlocked the magic of splitters and mergers?
still trout
you need to use conveyor splitters and mergers to feed multiple machines off one conveyor
still trout
so a splitter to split 60 ore into 2 30 ore belts for smelters, and then split both ingot lines from 2 30 lines to 4 15 lines
seems easy right?
lunar pivot
Okay so i place miner down
Then smelter?
And also biomass burner
I also have coal 1 Just dont know how to use it
rugged fjord
Coal gets used later for steel production. If you're just starting, I wouldnt worry about it just yet
lunar pivot
Okay
rugged fjord
Miner makes ore, ore gets put into smelter to make ingots. Buomass burner powers everything. Ingots are used to make parts in constructors or assemblers. The thing is is each machine takes and creates parts at different rates. So you cant just line up a row one smelter to one constructor, etc.
still trout
look at the picture i sent: 2, because you need 2 to handle the 60/min ore
still trout
Miner makes ore, ore gets put into smelter to make ingots. Buomass burner powers...
also, this
lunar pivot
still trout
yes, and now hook it up
lunar pivot
wtf is this
still trout
Space Giraffe-Tick-Penguin-Whale Thing
lunar pivot
So if thats the problem to what i got earlier thats the same problem to what i got with my reinforced iron plates
I was making screws and it kept stopping
because it was to much
ashen girder
wtf is this
That's a bean.
still trout
?
ashen girder
Power poles, friend.
still trout
why are you making 4 seperate storages? you can use mergers to feed them all into 1 shared storage
lunar pivot
Owh
Im dumb
i dont have any idea how tho
Only 3 fit
I think i know what u mean 1 sec
wintry aurora
What's a good battery production rate for a drone port network? First time I'd be using drones. First time I'd be using drones, and not sure whether I want to use the default or alt recipe.
versed violet
What's a good battery production rate for a drone port network? First time I'd b...
Alt has benefit of not requiring weird liquids
rugged fjord
That's going to depend on how you plan the drone network, how many do you plan to use? The drone ports are thankfully very info dense and once you them, they tell you how many batteries per minute they use. I use the default recipe and have drones fly in the sulfur for it. They bring in about 204 sulfur /min and use 2.96 batteries per minute per drone ( I use 2 for this purpose)
lunar pivot
why are you making 4 seperate storages? you can use mergers to feed them all int...
I removed everything on my deck and im redoing it
wintry aurora
I have no idea, might be huge, I'm just wondering what a good starting point or benchmark is.
I haven't even started building it yet and need to build the battery plant first.
rugged fjord
So im still using my starter production line of 120 batteries / min and have a network on each base I have so you can start somewhere in that area and be fine for a good while. The battery line wasnt too horrible to set up as long as you have an AU plant
My difficulty was sulfur, which manually drove in until I could set up drones to do it for me
wintry aurora
I only have a small basic one for base supplies than a full on real one.
rugged fjord
How many AU casings per minute? The default recipe is heavy on those if you're just starting out with AU refinement
lunar pivot
@still troutHow do i do the same what i just did but with a assembler
still trout
wdym?
still trout
use two mergers and merge the output of one merger into the other
still trout
With a assembler
explain more
lunar pivot
okay i wanna make reinforced iron plates
earlier u helped me fix the problem with this
So how do i do this but with a Assembler?
still trout
you need one conveyor with normal iron plates, and one with screws made from rods
lunar pivot
wintry aurora
How many AU casings per minute? The default recipe is heavy on those if you're j...
I'm using the alclad casing alt, so, looking at the rate you gave, it's 1.067 assemblers. I'm technically making two assemblers of it, but I didn't underclock the other one. I'll go back and check the numbers.
lunar pivot
you need one conveyor with normal iron plates, and one with screws made from rod...
These only do 10
still trout
show the screen of an assembler
lunar pivot
frosty owl
These only do 10
They take 10/min to make 40/min
lunar pivot
lunar pivot
They *take* 10/min to *make* 40/min
I dont understand that lmao
still trout
in 10, out 40
rugged fjord
I'm using the alclad casing alt, so, looking at the rate you gave, it's 1.067 as...
Yeah, my set up uses 120 casings / min, so an extra assembler slightly overlocked will fill out that part of making 120 / min.
lunar pivot
in 10, out 40
Uh so i need 2 A smelter or 1 a smelter
rugged fjord
One of my to do lists is to actually swap to that alt, because batteries are eating most of my casing production and casings are used for so much in end game
still trout
i think you need 1 constructor making rods, then split that into two screw constructors
also 2 iron plate constructors
oblique hollow
Uh so i need 2 A smelter or 1 a smelter
You best start reading the info inside machines. Go up to a smelter and look what it tells you.
When you selected a recipe
lunar pivot
Doesnt tell me much
wind spade
it tells you everything you need
oblique hollow
Wdym, it tells you 30 in, 30 out
lunar pivot
But i dont have the brains
still trout
play more
lunar pivot
Its not about the smelters either its about the Constuctor
oblique hollow
If you cant read input and output you might have issues playing
wind spade
other people won't do the maths for you. There are some online tools that you can use (or just a calculator)
final spoke
yo
looking forward to making a supercomputer factory
cant pick between OC supercomputer and super-state computer
lunar pivot
Okay 1 question how much Constructors do i need?
oblique hollow
For what
lunar pivot
Reinforced iron plates
still trout
5
wind spade
how many per minute
wind spade
also, reinforced iron plates are made in assemblers, not constructors
oblique hollow
Just start building a random amount of constructors and assemblers. You eventually will produce reinforced plates 
wintry aurora
Lol mcgalleon.
rugged fjord
wich ones are for screws and wich for plates?
If ya take a look at the machines, you can math out how many for each component
still trout
figure it out yourself: the reinforced plate recipe requires 30 plates and 60 screws per minute
wind spade
wich ones are for screws and wich for plates?
open any of the online tools, put in how much you want to produce, check out the numbers, easy.
lunar pivot
Online tools? where can i find
oblique hollow
If you cant do that type of math yet you better start practicing cause you will need that a lot on this game
still trout
i mean, not this early on, you can literally do the math in your head bro
still trout
If you cant do that type of math yet you better start practicing cause you will ...
this
lunar pivot
I know math i Just dont know the game very well yet
wind spade
Online tools? where can i find
google, pinned messages here, #welcome
lunar pivot
And i didnt even know it was a big factor
still trout
Online tools? where can i find
dude, it's much better if you go in game and figure out how to turn 60 iron ingots to 5 reinforced iron plates
lunar pivot
I Just bought the game because it was on sale
still trout
go do that rn im serious
oblique hollow
I know math i Just dont know the game very well yet
Then you should be able to figure out how many machines you need. They all tell you how much they need and how much they produce. Thats all you need
If you need, say, 40 iron plates, how many constructors is that?
lunar pivot
2
oblique hollow
And how many ingots / min do you need for them?
still trout
correct: now for 30 plates?
lunar pivot
1 and a half
fierce ruin
1 and a half
Or 1 over clocked once
oblique hollow
Dont mention overclocking yet thats too advanced
lunar pivot
correct: now for 30 plates?
How? like it does 20/min how will i do 30
still trout
you need 1.5 constructors for plates for a single reinforced plate asembler, congrats
lunar pivot
Dont mention overclocking yet thats too advanced <:jace_smile:527160323644456960...
I did a overclock and the Power shut off
oblique hollow
Overclock consumes more power
still trout
How? like it does 20/min how will i do 30
do 2, the numbers will work themselves out in the end
lunar pivot
you need 1.5 constructors for plates for a single reinforced plate asembler, con...
U are a Fraud u need 3
20 a min
fierce ruin
Eh yea true if you want just have one going at 100% and another at 50%
lunar pivot
So i need 3
oblique hollow
One assembler needs 30 plates
still trout
So i need 3
are you serious?
oblique hollow
You are the fraud
lunar pivot
I am. I just dont understand
still trout
check the numbers
lunar pivot
It sais on the right 20 a min
fierce ruin
Check your smelter
lunar pivot
20 x 3 is 60 thats what i needed
fierce ruin
It should be what 30 per smelter when it comes to iron?
oblique hollow
Why 60
lunar pivot
Idk
still trout
20 x 3 is 60 thats what i needed
you need 30
oblique hollow
Do you have 2 assemblers or what
still trout
that was for iron rods exclusively
lunar pivot
Owh
fierce ruin
Wait your iron rod build is wrong
lunar pivot
Okay so i need 2
still trout
if you even have underclocks
lunar pivot
but why 30 when the miner does 60
lunar pivot
if you even have underclocks
I do
rugged fjord
So that one miner can feed multiple lines, if eneded
oblique hollow
but why 30 when the miner does 60
Because you only need 30 plates for that recipe
still trout
but why 30 when the miner does 60
plates are made at a 3/2 ratio, so 3 ingots for 2 plates
rugged fjord
it isnt always 1:1. Sometimes the production is in your favor, sometimes it isnt
oblique hollow
Not 60 or 90 or whatever
lunar pivot
uh
still trout
you're using 45 iron for plates, and the excess 15 for rods and screws
lunar pivot
uhh
oblique hollow
You want to feed ONE assemler to make reinforced plates. Thats your goal right now
Dont overcomplicate it
still trout
so you got most of the machine down: you need 2 constructors, one underclocked to 50%, making iron plates
now the last 3 constructors
oblique hollow
The entire point of this is so you make your reinforced plates. Thats all we are talking about right now
frosty owl
cant pick between OC supercomputer and super-state computer
What's the indecision about?
I think those recipes just trade complexity for resource efficiency (mostly a save on aluminum and nitrogen)
still trout
iron plates and screws are sub-goals for the goal of reinforced plates
frosty owl
So it comes down to what resources you'd like to save on the most
thorn bane
supoer state is simply overpowered
lunar pivot
now the last 3 constructors
Okay 1 sec lemme Place down consturctors
thorn bane
dont do OC unless you wanna use TWICE the amount of (weighted) resources
final spoke
What's the indecision about?
I think those recipes just trade complexity for res...
I want to make some extra "byproducts" as well and the build trees are quite different
going with super-state computer for now
still trout
Okay 1 sec lemme Place down consturctors
don't, before knowing their use
thorn bane
btw super state computers is one of the best recipe for awesome points
lunar pivot
BRO WHY IS THERE A STONE IN MY WAY
oblique hollow
Because you ignored it?
versed violet
BRO WHY IS THERE A STONE IN MY WAY
still trout
just build around it
lunar pivot
Done
oblique hollow
Congrats, what will you use them for?
lunar pivot
To make certain things
oblique hollow
Yes
still trout
which ones
oblique hollow
Certainly
still trout
what do you need the other 3 machines for
lunar pivot
Uh screws
still trout
how do i need 3 for screws when it makes 40 a min
1 for rods, 1.5 for screws
still trout
also, you should connect both smelters to a merger and split that into 3 conveyors
still trout
Im making reinforced
screws require rods
lunar pivot
so screws does need 60
final spoke
unless you get cast screws
oblique hollow
Im making reinforced
Bruh how stoned are you
still trout
so screws does need 60
no, 1 rod makes 4 screws so you only need 15 rods for 60 screws
lunar pivot
huh
still trout
Bruh how stoned are you
very
oblique hollow
Rods make screws, screws and plates make reinforced plates
still trout
you have the right amount
lunar pivot
Owh
still trout
you just need to rewire your conveyors so they work at good efficiency
lunar pivot
how
still trout
connect smelters to a merger, then that to a splitter
lunar pivot
what
oblique hollow
Combine the 2 smelter outputs onto one belt. Then split that
final spoke
dang caterium comps look good but 105 quickwire per manufacturer sounds like conveyor mess
oblique hollow
Use a Merger for that. Looks like a splitter, but orange
lunar pivot
Can u draw it
oblique hollow
Literally just connect the 2 belts to a merger
still trout
lunar pivot
Wich belts
ashen girder
That's a person.
final spoke
cute spider thingy 😄
oblique hollow
Smelter output
lunar pivot
still trout
SMELTERS to merger, merger to splitter, splitter to PLATES AND RODS
lunar pivot
why merge a splitter
frosty owl
dang caterium comps look good but 105 quickwire per manufacturer sounds like con...
A mess how?
One quickwire belt for up to 7 manifacturers isn't so bad, right? xD
oblique hollow
Put Belt from Smelter into Merger.
final spoke
A mess how?
One quickwire belt for up to 7 manifacturers isn't so bad, right? xD
yeah but you end up with the odd 8th manufacturer with a separate line, just a mild annoyance 😄
thorn bane
then just build more 🙂
frosty owl
Go for 6? ^^
still trout
frosty owl
then just build more 🙂
Or 12 xD
still trout
the box on the right is supposed to be a merge
thorn bane
you awakening cthulhu or what
final spoke
na, ill use caterium boards as well and share the quickwire lines
still trout
you awakening cthulhu or what
trying to make this guy understand my idea
frosty owl
the box on the right is supposed to be a merge
Belongs in #fan-art
lunar pivot
Like this?
thorn bane
na, ill use caterium boards as well and share the quickwire lines
if you dont like quickwire you can always use silicon circuit boards
oblique hollow
Connect smelter to merger
final spoke
if you dont like quickwire you can always use silicon circuit boards
they're amazing, but not gonna input quartz in this equation
thorn bane
😦
lunar pivot
final spoke
still planning phase so that might change ¯_(ツ)_/¯
still trout
good job
still trout
now you need to split it into 3
frosty owl
still planning phase so that might change ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I still don't get what your priorities and objectives for the plan are 
oblique hollow
That isnt connected is it?
final spoke
I still don't get what your priorities and objectives for the plan are <:thinkin...
- make supercomputers
- have some leftover computers and other things for building
still trout
now hook up the 3 to the 2 plate machines and the rod machine
lunar pivot
How i only got 1 splitter?
oblique hollow
You put one down?
still trout
How i only got 1 splitter?
i mentioned 3 machines, for 3 outputs
lunar pivot
Hell yea
frosty owl
1. make supercomputers
2. have some leftover computers and other things for buil...
"Other things" such as ^^
still trout
yes, the screw machines use the fucking rods you're trying to make rn
oblique hollow
Rottis stop, this is going nowhere in the next 3 hours
lunar pivot
It will trust the process
fierce ruin
, so after doing some hardcore math, was able to find a way to get efficient 45 smelted caterium per minute, does this look good to you guys?
lunar pivot
Okay so what do i do
fierce ruin
(120 belts)
thorn bane
"hardcore"
you have my curiosity
lunar pivot
So i only need 3 machines?
fierce ruin
i'm not very good at math LOL
oblique hollow
Play the game and try things out. You will find a solution eventually
final spoke
quickwire, rubber, circuit boards, computers - anything really
lunar pivot
Play the game and try things out. You will find a solution eventually
Are u a developer?
oblique hollow
Nah
But thats how i did it
I didnt know the game either
I jist built shit and hope it works
lunar pivot
Can u help m,e
oblique hollow
Nah i cant i already tried
still trout
we have, for the past 20min
oblique hollow
You either have memory issues or are ABSOLUTELY STONED rn
thorn bane
those are rookie numbers
oblique hollow
Aight fair
uncut sigil
I mean, it's technically been 1.5 hours since we mentioned that factories get bigger than a few constructors and assemblers.
oblique hollow
Only if you start writing shit down on some paper
lunar pivot
I got you
still trout
draw a plan on some paper
lunar pivot
Alright
oblique hollow
Start with the assembler that makes reinforced plates
wind spade
just put the numbers in an online tool lol
lunar pivot
Huh
oblique hollow
And work BACKWARDS
still trout
so you have 60 iron, and it's going into 30 plates and 60 screws for the assembler
lunar pivot
just put the numbers in an online tool lol
send me 1
oblique hollow
Thats easier
lunar pivot
so you have 60 iron, and it's going into 30 plates and 60 screws for the assembl...
I have 60 iron yes
still trout
just put the numbers in an online tool lol
no, this is baby math, why use a calc
wind spade
send me 1
as I already mentioned, google it, or open pins in this channel or check #welcome
lunar pivot
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=Iq1E6Pe2cBSGTYxHPx1E
Thanks your not like this douchbag
wind spade
no, this is baby math, why use a calc
because they apparently aren't able to do such math
still trout
i find it hard to remain calm, i will leave the conversation
wind spade
Thanks your not like this douchbag
I literally said where you can find a list of all the tools...
uncut sigil
Thanks your not like this douchbag
Don't thank me. Be embarrassed that you still haven;'t got it after 1 and a half hours....
warm sphinx
UUUMMM GUYS i did math and, the dessert base that i am planning on fencing off, produce iron nodes without overclocking and basic setup, 2310 iron/m with overclock to mk2 belts that is 3435 iron/m, with only iron, if i add copper or water that is even MORE iron.
lunar pivot
I literally said where you can find a list of all the tools...
i am able to do such things i sufure from memory lose. that means im dissabled so your making fun of a desabled person
wind spade
i am able to do such things i sufure from memory lose. that means im dissabled s...
I'm not making fun of you, I've linked you to #welcome
lunar pivot
Theres like a thousand links
wind spade
if you can read, you will see them easily
lunar pivot
How does this work
wind spade
lunar pivot
to small
oblique hollow
Find reinforced plates
lunar pivot
yes
oblique hollow
And then input "5" on the right
wind spade
How does this work
scroll down to see what it shown you
wheat saddle
ok am running a balancing coal gen area, 9 gens 3 extractors and it works
uncut sigil
🤦
oblique hollow
ok am running a balancing coal gen area, 9 gens 3 extractors and it works
Thats a bad ratio
wind spade
ok am running a balancing coal gen area, 9 gens 3 extractors and it works
3 extractors aren't enough to power 9 gens unless you modify clock speeds
lunar pivot
Bro what is that. @still trout thing was clearer
wheat saddle
I only have the miner with modified clock speed i think lemme check
still trout
Bro what is that. <@!336888857167659019> thing was clearer
see? now you respect me?
lunar pivot
I do
wind spade
what's not clear about this?
lunar pivot
what's not clear about this?
that it doesnt make clear that u need merger wich rottis said u did
still trout
i mean, i'd be surprised if he understoo how to make concrete
lunar pivot
I do
wind spade
you don't need mergers tho
lunar pivot
I let a machine do it
lunar pivot
you don't need mergers tho
Blame @still trout
wind spade
you can use them if you build it in a certain way, but you can also not use them if you build it some other way
wheat saddle
3 extractors aren't enough to power 9 gens unless you modify clock speeds
my miner is producing 300ppm which goes to coal gens at 150ppm
wind spade
my miner is producing 300ppm which goes to coal gens at 150ppm
you don't have enough water
still trout
3 is enough for 8, flat
wind spade
9 coal gens need 405m3 water, 3 extractors produce 360m3
lunar pivot
Do they need to be next to each other or behind?
wind spade
up to you
wheat saddle
you don't have enough water
all three extractors have two shards each
so no, I think im good
wind spade
all three extractors have two shards each
that's kinda wasting power, but sure 🤔 then you have more water than you need
wheat saddle
Imma need it quite soon anyway
still trout
@lunar pivot where are u from? just curious
wheat saddle
and alot more of it too for something late game
lunar pivot
<@778699067156070431> where are u from? just curious
The netherlands
wind spade
Imma need it quite soon anyway
still - building more extractors saves you power over OCing them
wheat saddle
true, but Im using grasslands puddle which only fits 3 comfortably
still trout
that's way too much water, enough for 16 gens, you only need one shard or one more at 50% underclocked
oblique hollow
How is next to each other gonna work
Just place them next to each other. Whats the issue?
lunar pivot
Olace what that means?
oblique hollow
Sry typo
wheat saddle
Place them
lunar pivot
How is the rods gonna transfer From one of to the other if they are next
wind spade
using a belt?
wheat saddle
belts
oblique hollow
By using mergers and splitters
lunar pivot
What is a belt?
oblique hollow
Bruh
wind spade
conveyor belt
uncut sigil
......
lunar pivot
Owh
wheat saddle
-_-
still trout
i've lost faith in humanity
lunar pivot
Yes i know but how is it gonna acces the back of it when the back is the back
uncut sigil
Dude, go to bed, get sober, then try again, okay?
thorn bane
nah bro you got this i believe in you
lunar pivot
look this is what i mean imagine 1 is rods and the other is screws
oblique hollow
look this is what i mean imagine 1 is rods and the other is screws
put the one making screws AFTER the one making rods
wheat saddle
@wind spade for something late game I will need 34,272.28m3/min
wind spade
<@!242004363730616322> for something late game I will need 34,272.28m3/min
just build that thing on the ocean and don't overclock 🤷♂️
lunar pivot
put the one making screws AFTER the one making rods
Thats what i said but u said i was able to put them next to each other.... FRAUD
oblique hollow
you dont need to put ALL of them next to each other
wheat saddle
just build that thing on the ocean and don't overclock 🤷♂️
ik
oblique hollow
fraud!
lunar pivot
U ARE
thorn bane
<@!242004363730616322> for something late game I will need 34,272.28m3/min
north sea has lots of space
thorn bane
south sea? theres void there huh?
still trout
@lunar pivot how old are you?
wheat saddle
south western @thorn bane
thorn bane
but you cant go as far without taking damage
north you can go really far
lunar pivot
<@778699067156070431> how old are you?
15
wheat saddle
I only need like 40 extractors I think
uncut sigil
Thats what i said but u said i was able to put them next to each other.... FRAUD
I mean, you could connect them next to each other still. Use lifts and attac conveyors that way. Result in a spaghetti mess, but entirely possible.
wind spade
Thats what i said but u said i was able to put them next to each other.... FRAUD
reality check - all these are "next to each other"
thorn bane
<@!242004363730616322> for something late game I will need 34,272.28m3/min
thats alot of water what are you making?
lunar pivot
I got 3 on a row
oblique hollow
nice. what now?
wheat saddle
thats alot of water what are you making?
I have plans to make 103.48 TPR/min
thorn bane
ah thatll do it xD
ashen girder
hard to believe, you act like you're still in preschool
Haven't talked to many 15 year olds, have you? 😛
lunar pivot
hard to believe, you act like you're still in preschool
Danb
uncut sigil
Good god that's a lot.
lunar pivot
Damn
lunar pivot
nice. what now?
Now im gonna put it
still trout
Haven't talked to many 15 year olds, have you? 😛
guess not...
thorn bane
@still trout you can just ask him for his age and then not say yours?
still trout
yes, i will do that
lunar pivot
Why use 1.5 when i can oc it to 150
wheat saddle
technically even if asked neither party should say
wind spade
Why use 1.5 when i can oc it to 150
or you can build two and oc them to 75
still trout
say if u wanna thats the way to go
lunar pivot
Nope not effecient
thorn bane
or 3 and oc to 0.5
thorn bane
or 50 in a manifold at 100% and it still works
lunar pivot
owh
still trout
power comsumption scales with overclocks
oblique hollow
Why use 1.5 when i can oc it to 150
SMART IDEA! very smart!
wheat saddle
gys, to make the TPR 104/min I need to use all the nodes on map for crude oil, quartz and nitrogen
oblique hollow
ooooor use one at 100% and one at 50%
lunar pivot
Is that why my Biomass full was running out that quick?
oblique hollow
yep
uncut sigil
gys, to make the TPR 104/min I need to use all the nodes on map for crude oil, q...
Does that account for enough power to run itself?
oblique hollow
150% uses much power
lunar pivot
Damn im stupid
thorn bane
gys, to make the TPR 104/min I need to use all the nodes on map for crude oil, q...
just dont do 104 TPR
if you want points do ADS
if you wanna do TPRs dont go over 50 since you start using bad recipes then
wheat saddle
OCing makes too much power
oblique hollow
takes a lot
wheat saddle
just dont do 104 TPR
if you want points do ADS
if you wanna do TPRs dont go over...
but thats not the most complex item so NO
thorn bane
but thats not the most complex item so NO
but you can make 3x as much
wheat saddle
Does that account for enough power to run itself?
eventually probably as much power as ImKibitz has built possibly
thorn bane
also technically i think plutonium rods are more complex? they just give less points
wheat saddle
dont think so, half the products for PFR are mid-late game
like the transition phase
and another ingrediant is steel basic
the only ingrediant thats late game is EPC
PFR (PlutFuel Rod), EPC (encased plut cell)
still trout
particle accelerator
wheat saddle
heat sink and ECR you make mid-late game transition phase
still trout
nah fam plut fuel rods complex shit
wheat saddle
then look at TPR...
still trout
bro i got that automated at 0.5/min alrdy
wheat saddle
cause I have and...
raw grey, other outputs that arent reused are green, and orange is reused product/recpies
raw resources
still trout
yeah i sent a pic of my spelevator part 4 in #screenshots ages ago
lunar pivot
i DID IT
thorn bane
yeah i sent a pic of my spelevator part 4 in <#553550313533997057> ages ago
in a fresh U5 playthrough?
still trout
ye
thorn bane
nice 🙂