math-and-meta

[median heath]

Your first unlock in Phase 1 should be Tier 2: Obstacle Clearing.

Yes "chainsaw nice" and all that, but the main reason you want this first is because it gives you access to Solid Biofuel -- which makes all of your power needs sooooo much easier.

[plain slate]

Fr

But I still struggled even while copying with solid biofuel

[median heath]

Phase 1 milestone order for me is always:
Obstacle Clearing > Field Research > Whatever you feel like after that.

If you get Field Research and slot an HDD before any other milestones (or material research) you are also guaranteed to get Cast Screw on the first shot.

[plain slate]

Hdd?

The hard drives?

[median heath]

!wikisearch HDD

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=HDD

[median heath]

Hard Drive Disk is what HDD means 😭

[plain slate]

So find one of those first before anything

[plain slate]

Mb 💔💔

[median heath]

YOUNG PEOPLE THESE DAYS WITH NO RESPECT FOR THE GOOD DAYS OF TECHNOLOGY 😭

[plain slate]

I’m sorry

So field exploration first or nah

[median heath]

Obstacle first.

[plain slate]

Nvm or material research

Had to re read that part

[median heath]

Obstacle first.
Then Field.
Have Solid being made by a Constructor while you go find an HDD.

[plain slate]

How do you make cast screws?

[median heath]

Ingot > Screws.

[plain slate]

Wow

That’s amazing holy

[median heath]

It is the same cost as normal Screw, just cuts out the Rod step.

[plain slate]

Is it one to one ratio or nah

[median heath]

And it is only useful in Phase 1 😄 So getting it first is going to get you the most out of it.

[median heath]

Ingot to Rod is 1:1
Rod to Screw is 1:4
Cast removes Rod step, so it is still 1:4

[plain slate]

Ight still better than making a whole other item to make screws

[median heath]

Cutting out the Rod step saves you on Power, which matters at that stage.

[plain slate]

Imma go shower can I ask you for help after I’m done?

[median heath]

👍

[plain slate]

Ty

[prisma kraken]

it also makes screws a little faster than the rod recipe 50/min instead of 40

imho, that's helpful for rotors since you don't yet have a bunch of slugs

[harsh coral]

Holy crap it's alive

82 computers every minute

[median heath]

World's longest shower?

[median heath]

A very healthy number.

[harsh coral]

Most I could do with 600 oil a minute

Ama sloop it to be 100

[median heath]

Recipes?

[harsh coral]

Wdym? Sry

[median heath]

Which recipes did you use for the production line that ended with Computers?

[harsh coral]

1 sec

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=dVbAy0zffY9dnPghGlAr

Here it is I used all this

[median heath]

Oh this is some.. base recipe shenanigans 👀

[harsh coral]

Yea if it works it works

[median heath]

Crystal Comp my beloved.

[harsh coral]

This factory is huge

[plain slate]

Oh mb I ate dinner

I just unlocked exploration thing

But the map website making watch an ad to use it and the ad glitch’s and I can’t x out of it

Nvm

[median heath]

Stop using the map website.

[plain slate]

Found an hdd already

[plain slate]

Alright

So research it and I get cast screws?

[median heath]

Yup.
If it isn't on the first 2 options just click reroll and it will be right there.

[plain slate]

Got foundations now

I love the Ada dialogue

[median heath]

I think I personally get splitters before foundations. But there is no wrong answer after you have Obstacle and Research completed.

[plain slate]

Doing that now

[median heath]

I can't read this.

[dusky bronze]

green is how much/min is coming out

red is what needs to come in

[plain slate]

One question

[median heath]

Ok but Tools...

[plain slate]

How do I split specific amounts or is that not possible

[median heath]

Give me numbers.

[plain slate]

Like number values

[dusky bronze]

i like modeler a lot more

[plain slate]

Just wondering

[median heath]

Give me actual numbers as an example.

[dusky bronze]

with splitters and mergers you're pretty much limited to dividing by 2/3 and then adding things back together

if that doesnt work then just make a manifold

[median heath]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lost-obiwan-lava-hot-gif-5009969

[plain slate]

Uhhh like 105 going to 1 side and 135 to another

[dusky bronze]

just manifold that

[median heath]

Can you let me answer??

[plain slate]

You can bounce on space giraffes…

I love this game

[median heath]

Check your messages 💛

[stoic bison]

like Bill said can always manifold, but also, that doesn't seem all that complex. You've got 240 total, so you can split once going to 120/120, then split one of those lines until you have a belt of 30, and then get 15 going across to the other 120 line. 135/105

[tropic hawk]

you can split numbers, but you can't do specific numbers that aren't halves/thirds of the input to the splitter. you can get ratios decently well, but it is less than simple

[plain slate]

How would I get the 3.5 smelters to have 3 outputs

[prisma kraken]

mergers & splitters

[vapid gorge]

clock 3 groups of smelters

1 that makes 20
1 that makes 40
1 that makes 45

clock them as needed

you, however, could jsut do it in one manifold

[plain slate]

Huh I’m confused

[vapid gorge]

no need to split

[vapid gorge]

do you know what clocking is?
have you unlocked it?

[plain slate]

I’ve got this so far

[prisma kraken]

yeah, tweaking the clock rates of the smelters probably would be the simplest of solutions

[plain slate]

Yeah

[vapid gorge]

ok so you have 1 belt that needs 20 ingots pm right?

[plain slate]

Mhm

[vapid gorge]

ok so clock 1 machine to do liek 20 pm

the next belt needs 40
clock 1 or 2 machines to do a total of 40 pm, merge them and send it dow nthe line

same for the 45

[plain slate]

Don’t got the shards for that tho

Only for the miner

Don’t I just need one smelter underclocked

[vapid gorge]

under clock then

or you could just do this

you can fit all of the ingots on 1 belt

just feed plates screws and rods on one belt

[plain slate]

I’ll be back

[prisma kraken]

plenty of slugs on the map, this is my save after i've made ~2000 shards

actually , i lied, scim reset on me, so that's the virgin map 😛

if you ever need some easy pickings for power slugs, the dune desert at night time is fairly safe and the slugs pop out of the landscape

[plain slate]

So like this?

[vapid gorge]

I mean it works. More complicated than it needs to be

[plain slate]

How

Do I make it less complicated

[plain slate]

Won’t load

There

[plain slate]

All splitters?

Haven’t figured it out I’m dumb

[vapid gorge]

put a merger in front of every output

[plain slate]

So this

[vast coral]

welcome to manifold systems.

Merg all outputs onto a belt.
split all inputs.

[plain slate]

Now how would I set up the rest of the plan

That’s the real question so many buildings

[vapid gorge]

literally just feed

[plain slate]

Ight

[vapid gorge]

r for rods, s for screws, p for plates

[plain slate]

I’m gonna tweak out

[plain slate]

Can I do the manifold for the assembler too?

[vast jungle]

you just need a manifold for each of the two inputs... often the 2nd manifold is just on top of the first one

[plain slate]

It’s Alive

Probably made it more complicated than it needed to be

[plain slate]

Everything has to back up before the first line starts filling right

[vast jungle]

not sure how you mean this exactly, but you can either just let the Manifold run... if you provide as much as all machines together take, it will work after "some" time (depending on several factors)... or you can shut down all machines, wait until the whole input manifold (or all of them) backs up and then turn the machines on.
both works

[plain slate]

My fault the belt for the splitter wasn’t placed properly

It’s working now

[vast jungle]

this is definitely a way to do it... but don't forget that Satisfactory is a 3D game... you always have more options 😉

[vapid gorge]

yup

[proven sphinx]

i made a balancer - but i might have done something wrong ? since the numbers arent "the same" ?

[wind spade]

first question would probably be - do you need a balancer?

one thing to keep in mind is that belt counters aren't 100% exact due to them being just running average. Though most likely it won't differ by that much

[unique cypress]

I don't see a belt coming from the top splitter to the bottom merger

[wind spade]

as for your balancer - it doesn't look like it's actually balancing

[proven sphinx]

thank you !

[meager kettle]

belt counters are accurate enough to +/-1 usually, they wont be off by much more than that

[proven sphinx]

Yes - i need a balancer as i need 2800 iron ore and it's divided on 3 train wagons - and all belts doesnt have equal consumption - therefor it's stupid if wagon 1 and 2 gets empty and the third isnt empty - would like to consume "equal amounts" from all wagons to make sure i can use it all

[meager kettle]

its a little hard to see, but it looks like top merger only has two belts in

[wind spade]

why not hook each belt to the amount it can feed instead?

[unique cypress]

Assuming the flow is roughly constant
It won't count a train, drone, or truck correctly

[proven sphinx]

numbers are correct now

and i didnt finish my factory yet therefor it's not taking from all three belts

[meager kettle]

well no, since they dump it all out at max capacity until it runs out

[unique cypress]

They could count it correctly, if the averaging window was long enough

[meager kettle]

but it you're using them after a production line, or in any other system they are fine and pretty accurate unless the number is very low, like 5/min

[proven sphinx]

that would be so awesome - to have slider that said "calculated for the last x minutes"

[wind spade]

the problem is that the averaging window is different for every use-case, so unless it's settable, they will by definition not be reliable enough (and if it's settable, then most people would still misuse it or whatever)

[meager kettle]

average of 5 min would've been nicer from a stability viewpoint, but they work well enough to be useful

mainly to make em more reliable at very low speeds

[proven sphinx]

What would be awesome was if you had a main hub - and external hubs wich you could login to and see what you were making "within" the priority switch (local) or all over the map coumptions - efficiency on the "factory" etc

[unique cypress]

It should just be configurable

[proven sphinx]

info - funfacts are so cool when it comes to these games

[wind spade]

main problem with any of these X/min values is that they are basically a lie anyway 😄

[meager kettle]

not enough to make a diffrence

[unique cypress]

They aren't though
They accurately tell you how many items passed through in the last minute

[wind spade]

my point was that nothing in the game works on X/min, game works on cycles 😉

[meager kettle]

doesnt make a diffrence that it does. the end result is still number/time

[harsh coral]

I think he means that it's not a solid production sometimes things are too far apart to be registered

[meager kettle]

no he means game makes x items every y seconds depending on recipe and machine

[harsh coral]

But doesn't it?

[meager kettle]

for example, instant scrap makes 30 items at once every 6 seconds, still works out to 300/min, but it doesnt technically make it in a continous flow

[proven sphinx]

i belive the factory works with math even if it's out of render distance - but visually nothing loads in

[wind spade]

yeah, that's basically my point

sure, in most cases the difference isn't relevant, but it's a source of many issues when you get to more technical/specific levels

[meager kettle]

there are some quirky situations where it matters

but for 99.99% of the time, you can just use the 300/min and be fine

[wind spade]

but you may not see 300/min on your belt counter 🙂

[proven sphinx]

well - instead of having to load up my save to see how much im making of each product ut would be a nice to have fun fact ingame - im pretty sure the info exists

[wind spade]

it doesn't really (and if it would, it would have same problems as belt counters - you'd have to pick the range for floating average)

[meager kettle]

that will be fine, issue comes with those recipes which take more than one minute to make and give very low quantities. then belt counter is often just wrong.

like nuclear pasta is 1 item every 120 seconds. since belt counter window is 1 minute, it will show 1 for 60 seconds, then 0 for 60 seconds, then 1 for 60 etc. it will not show 0.5

[wind spade]

if it's on 1200 belts, you'll have big gaps between batches of items

I guess with a cycle of 6 seconds it won't be an issue, but with a cycle time that's not divisible cleanly in 60 seconds, the counter will jump up and down

[meager kettle]

but if you make 10 nuclear pasta/min in 20 machines, it will probably end up being staggered enough it will start showing more accurately

[proven sphinx]

im curious - if i were to add summersloops to a Rocketfuel blender - so that it would make 200 instead of 100 rocket fuel - would the consumption eat up the extra 100 rocketfuel ?

[meager kettle]

if you have fuels gen to use up the extra being made

[proven sphinx]

Yes ofc - i would setup the extra fuelgens but would the consumption on the blender (powerwise) eat up the extra power the 100 extra rocketfuel i would gain ?

[meager kettle]

not even close

100 extra rocket fuel would be 6000MW, slooping a blender wouldn't be a 10th of that

[harsh coral]

Is making 800 turbo fuel for power better than 1600 normal fuel

[meager kettle]

it would make more power yes

[harsh coral]

Kk

[proven sphinx]

now - before someone says its a waste to use summersloops on something like that - im almost using what im making atm and that means i cant even fire up my upcomming nuclear plant - so its temporary 😂

[meager kettle]

if you want more bang for the sloop, use them on a machine overclocked to 250%

[proven sphinx]

indeeed! thanks

[meager kettle]

so instead of 100 -> 200, at 250% it would be 250 -> 500 so you'd egt 150 more from those sloops

[proven sphinx]

yea thats a good idea ! i'll just underclock some machines so that i have enough supply for the one doing 250!

[meager kettle]

just keep in mind some machines wont handle sloop at 250% like nitro rocket fuel which would output 750/min, but since mk2 pipe only do 600, 150 would be wasted

[proven sphinx]

YEa ofc!

[lone jewel]

@outer yew

build with mk.2 pipes so you can sloop the final blender for filling the pipes

[vapid gorge]

just charge up power storage

[proven sphinx]

i have a consumption of 250k mw x) thats alot of powerstorage

[vapid gorge]

power storage can discharge faster than they charge

so you could easily make a block of 125k in a blueprint pretty easily

a mk4 bp of storage is probably most of that

mk3

[vapid gorge]

besides, you only need enough to boot strap the nuclear setup

[violet stag]

Reasonable Trainstation?

[ionic sapphire]

2-13 train ?

i think usually a multiple of 1-4 (or less) is recommended
because of rail inclines

[median heath]

1:4 hasn't been recommended since Update 5 if memory serves.

Trains were given dynamic weight.

[frigid haven]

Just make sure you have enough power for it lol because for example a fully over clocked refinery with a sloop just sucks your power like it's a candy bar

[proven sphinx]

Im curious - if you use a Alien Power augmenter you get 10% bonus - but can insert x items to increase the bonus to 30% - from what i can see that production line to be able to sustain 1 of those agumenters is pretty huge - is it actually worth it ?

[crimson moat]

for 1 - 15 tw setups, yes. For finishing the game no

[unique cypress]

It still is recommended, if your biggest incline is a 2 m ramp

[median heath]

Still recommended by people holding on to the past 🤷‍♂️
I haven't seen anyone genuinely understands the dynamic weight system still preaching the 1:4 methodology.

[unique cypress]

ok, smart guy
what's the optimal ratio then?

because I have just looked at the wiki and concluded that 1:4 is sensible

1:5 is a bit slow on 2m inclines if the wagons are full

and you can go beyond that on 2m ramps if and only if your wagons are full going down and empty going up

[median heath]

There isn't a static, optimal ratio.
That is inherent to the word "dynamic."

[meager kettle]

1:4 is recommended cause weight of the locomotive + the four cars is just under treshold to create slowdowns on 2m slopes

four cars at full load*

on flat tracks 1:4, 2:8, 3:12 etc maintain the acceleration and top speed, but the larger ones will suffer slowdowns on inclines

if you do five cars to a locomotive, acceleration takes a hit, not huge, but a hit. and if you make em even larger it gets progressively worse

yeea, weight is dynamic, but unless you're controlling the amount of stacks going onto the trains, its just way easier to account to the 1:4 ratio of a full load

also while dyanmic weight does allow a 1:5 to not lose speed on inclines, they do lose speed on acceleration

which to be fair you can build around somewhat. having longer tracks out of a station to allow them to get up to speed

and avoid really tight turns and intersections where they need to slow

could also only make 1m ramps, but those gets rather lengthy to do any kind of elevation change

and its just generally easier to just recommend something which will work in majority of situations. since so many seems to have issues with basic train setups to begin with

me personally, i do 1:5. but i will recommend 1:4 to new players still

[robust tulip]

how do you stop your sushi belts from getting jammed up?

its really annoying

[ionic sapphire]

easy way, sink
harder way, rate limiters

[meager kettle]

could prob try at vencam, they do a lot of sushi

[ionic sapphire]

though, even with rate limiters, you might need a sink eventually

way down the line, at an end product

[wind spade]

make exact amount you need 🙂

[unique cypress]

Simple
Don't use sushi

[robust tulip]

what do you reccomend then?

[robust tulip]

still ain't working

[unique cypress]

... not doing sushi?
Like the only place I use a mixed belt is when dumping excess production into a sink

[robust tulip]

but it's more compact with sushi, no?

[wind spade]

if you're making exact amount you need, you cannot have excess 🙂

[robust tulip]

it still keeps on clogging up somehow

it's a sushi belt that leads to a few circuit board assemblers

always one of the last ones gets full of copper sheets and makes no way for the plastic

[latent tide]

use smart splitters in an overflow setting going into a sink or sumn

[robust tulip]

aight

[meager kettle]

saw something the other day about programmable with one port set to both any undefined and overflow. but i'm not a sushi user so idk

[latent tide]

same, i prefer stacking

my ocd wont allow it to be otherwise

[dusky dust]

The general rule is to always have an overflow-to-sink, and ensure you overflow at every single Smart Splitter

No need to have a Programmable with both "any undefined" and "overflow." Overflow inherently includes "any undefined" (a not-defined resource entering the splitter will overflow naturally)

For each step of the sorting you can do just fine with one output for the resource being sorted, and the other output being Overflow

(And then at the end of the sushi line, overflow to sink)

Technically once the system stabilizes, so long as you're giving it the exact amounts, you'll never actually see anything headed into the overflow sink

[median heath]

So when you use smarts and just the Overflow setting -- everything will work just fine but you can have items get "caught" in the system because the splitter will keep things in the internal storage due to how Overflow works.
Again, the system will work just fine. Only major "issue" is if you're using sushi for radioactive stuff, as the catch can cause the area to stay nuclear until the line flushes it out with something else.

When you have poggers, you can avoid this entirely by setting the middle of Overflow and AnyUndef.
By doing this, the sole item kept in the internal storage is the one the splitter is supposed to keep anyway. Everything else gets flushed through and it makes the line "cleaner" for lack of a better term.

[frigid haven]

People who do sushi belt are another kind of specie's because it's so ungodly inefficient for the headache it can and absolutely will cause

[frigid haven]

Here comes me who wants to use 3 CHOOOOSSS in a row to pull like 10 freight cars 😂

[frosty owl]

Headaches are caused by skill issues

[graceful tundra]

And is there any limkt to how long you'd make a train?

[unique cypress]

Doesn't seem so
#satisfactory-experimental message

[graceful tundra]

Didn't seem to move though

Not like i'd need 400 anyways

Thanks

Might make one line per ressource for the funsies

[unique cypress]

Fairly sure they said it did move
At like 3 km/h

[limpid urchin]

hi, I want to build more vertical stuff (Since this is not factorio) So I want to stack my smelters on top of eachother but I Just can't figure out how I would feed the bottom machine in a nice way

For the other levels I can place a splitter in the middle of the lift but I cant place on at the bottom

I could do it like this and then wraparound but that would be kind of clunky

[limpid vapor]

you can just snap the lift to the machine

[limpid urchin]

That would put my input at the top though

[limpid vapor]

ah

leave enough space between the lift and the machine to put the splitter between the lift and the machine

then feed it from the side

[vapid gorge]

have the lifts on either side of hte splitter feeding hte smelters

[limpid urchin]

Ah I see thanks

[vapid gorge]

it's not as compact as flat manifolds, personally I just build multiple floors for hte verticality

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1318079364377743471/image.png?ex=69f18f91&is=69f03e11&hm=0593ee0447ebafeef60b07e4b1cea5b51434efadece99373b915003744757344&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=539&height=350

[limpid urchin]

oh dang that looks sick

[vapid gorge]

thanks!

[limpid urchin]

Didn't know this game got that pretty

[vapid gorge]

this is from pre 1.0, so graphics on it are much better

now I mean

[limpid urchin]

Also will there be like blueprints or copy pasting later on?

[limpid vapor]

you could also try something like

[vapid gorge]

very unlikely, build what yuou need in the bp machine

[limpid urchin]

I mean like later on in the game sorry

so there is a machine for it?

[limpid vapor]

yes

[vapid gorge]

oh there are blueprints yes

you build inside a machine and create a blueprint

[limpid vapor]

thats what my screenshots builds are built in

[limpid urchin]

Ah now that you say it

[limpid vapor]

wadup

[limpid urchin]

This ended up being the final design thanks for the help

I probably wont do this again until I have the blueprint machine though lol

The exit ended up being different but I kinda like this design

[minor osprey]

Hello guys! I would like to talk with a mathematician to help me solve a problem im tripping out about my factory, if is there someone that can help i would appreciate it so much 👍👍❤️

[wind spade]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[median heath]

One of the simplest systems that is incapable of clogging or failing is a headache?

[mint coral]

I've been something similar. Inspired by the tunnel rat but going wider. four smelters per layer with framework along the outside giving it a stable real world field.

i dont have a close up as im at work

[vast jungle]

if it wasn't clear what Greeny meant, just ask your question instead of asking if you are allowed to ask a question... if someone is willing and able to help, you will get an answer. 🙂

[frigid haven]

It's 100000% capable of clogging depending on if you have an over flow or have significantly low through put depending on what other machines through put is not to mention the amount of filters you will constantly need to set for each and every machine to make sure it pulls the right thing. And so many other things that make it one of the most difficult and useless belts to ever exist. I would rather the best plate of spaghetti that causes 20 migraines then to ever admit a sushi belt is "better"

[median heath]

Sounds like you don't understand how to build sushi if you think what you just described is reality.

[frigid haven]

Sounds like you love to make everything inefficient and difficult

[median heath]

Sushi manifolds are incapable of clogging.
That's just an indisputable fact. Unless you intentionally build them to clog.

Also, you only have to do the splitter settings once because copy/paste exists.

Curious what "so many other things" are though.

[frigid haven]

You can only copy and paste if the other machines do the same exact thing otherwise you will also clog those

[median heath]

I mean... in a production line dedicated to an item... the machines are doing the same thing. No?

Also, again, incapable of clogging.

[frigid haven]

Depends on how you want the line of sushi I've seen people who shove every item they make don't multiple sushi lines right next to each other

[median heath]

You can send the wrong items down a sushi manifold and it will not care.

[frigid haven]

Neither is the most simple kind of belt to make which is just a manifold system or something a tiny bit more difficult a splitter setup

[frigid haven]

I can do the same with a normal line too

[median heath]

That is factually incorrect.

If you send Iron Rods down a line of normal splitters in a line that has no use for Iron Rods, it will clog the system.

[frigid haven]

Or you setup a sorter at the end to send the wrong item out of the belt

[median heath]

Whereas I can send Nuclear Pasta through a line trying to make Circuit Boards and.. nothing happens. It gets passed through the system and normal throughput resumes.

[frigid haven]

But I'll just stop here since clearly you lack common sense and critical thinking

[median heath]

🤔

[thick swan]

@paper fable

sorry pls razban

pardon

okey! u not indian

https://tenor.com/view/иван-золо-gif-2135592843433964051

[median heath]

Someone else not understanding sushi == I am dumb.

Ok. I will try to wrap my head around that one.

[limpid vapor]

literally nothing complicated about sushi unless you make it complicated yourself

feed exact amounts, smart splitters to pick off resources off the belts, overflow to sink, done

[vast jungle]

maybe one of you thinks about Sushi with a sink at the end and the other thinks about Sushi without sink? I know Vencam did quite a bit "balanced Sushi" (without sink), but its tricky as hell to make it not make it block...

sushi with a sink or a link back to "storage" is much easier to get right

[limpid vapor]

if you are using manifolds in previous steps you need sinks, if you are doing balanced, then yeah i guess not

[median heath]

Balancer Sushi and Manifold Sushi are 2 completely different concepts though 🤔

[vast jungle]

even with balanced sushi I would most likely a small "overflow belt" to show me if the balancing was bad 😄

[vast jungle]

so "getting stuff to machine" is a 2-dimensional thing... one dimension is manifold vs. balancer, the other is sushi to non-sushi ^^

[median heath]

Vencam does art.
I do factory-floor, copy/paste, boring sushi 😂

Because it works. And it cannot be made to unwork.

Nothing complicated. No headaches.
Simple.

[vast jungle]

and then there is "lets game it out" style of belting 😉

[limpid vapor]

it gets more interesting if you add a feedback loop
https://youtu.be/pV6b72xF8pc

[unique cypress]

This assumes you have an overflow to sink

[median heath]

Oh no... not... assuming you build sushi correctly in a sushi discussion...

Never that...

[unique cypress]

I mean it's not strictly required

And I wouldn't say not having a sink is incorrect

[median heath]

Enjoy clogging 👍
Enjoy headache 👍
Enjoy every negative thing people believe about sushi 👍

Ooooorrrrrrrrrr - build the manifold correctly 🤷‍♂️

[unique cypress]

You can build it in a way that doesn't clog (at least with items that are meant to be there)

Without a sink I mean

[robust tulip]

why does my fuse blow when i flip this switch?

basically my power plant messed up because i accidentally deleted a pole that connected my fuel generators to my rubber factory and it meant it stopped taking in ploymer resin so it just got backed up until the fuse blew and i got rid of all the resin and got it working (kinda its not at 100% efficiency now but oh well)

so i flipped the switch to repair it but now when i turn it on everything immediately blows up

[lone jewel]

keep the switch on, then reset the fuse

[robust tulip]

does the switch just kinda do this sometimes?

[lone jewel]

if you connect a grid that has the fuse blown to a grid that does not, you blow the combined grid

[robust tulip]

i see

[tropic hawk]

also something I suggest is to get the fuel production running so the generators can saturate because while tripped, gens don't consume material but accept material into their internal buffers

[robust tulip]

i have now resolved the issue by adding a fuel sink and linking it into my polymer resin line via an overflow splitter

[mint coral]

you can mitigate damage by seperating out your network with Power priority switches

For example my main grind is Power towers and train stations. And factory/facility being powered goes from the main grid to a power priority switch then to the facility.

Power priority switches let you set up a tiered system. I put power in the tier 1(the most important) followed by things that are a pain tyo black start in tier 2. Starter factorys in tier 8.

this way if you blow a fuse tier 8 shuts down giving you power headlift to fix the problem while things stay functional

[tropic hawk]

I also recommend you do the math and have a seperate grid of Power Storages that can provide 4 hours of your max consumption, because that should be enough power to get you back online if something goes south

[robust tulip]

four real life hours?

that seems a bit excessive, no?

i fixed my powerplant issue in like 40 mins

[tropic hawk]

for emergency systems, it is better to be a bit generous. plus by the time you are at the state of the game where you are making this tier of contingencies, you have everything for power storages automated so its not that hard to achieve.

I have a 4 hour isolated supply that is disconnected from the grid, and a 24 hour supply that is a part of the grid.

[robust tulip]

why disconnect?

also roughly how big is that?

[median heath]

To be the opposing voice: I find using Power Storages for anything beyond decoration pieces to be "excessive."

[tropic hawk]

to ensure that if I really screw up I do still have power left.

[tropic hawk]

for me? gotta run some numbers rq...

[robust tulip]

like in terms of volume

[tropic hawk]

ah, 1 TWh.

for my main storage. my reserve power is only 25 GWh

[lament ridge]

so i get 45 every minute and make 15, this means i need 3 contructer to make it 100% effifecnt ?

[unique cypress]

the constructor consumes 45 limestone per min to make 15 concrete per min

[tropic hawk]

the efficacy of machines hover around 100% ish. so long as you have at least 15/min consumption on output and at least 45/min input, that machine will be 100% efficient

[robust tulip]

it takes 3 limestone to make 1 concrete

[lament ridge]

how do i know

[robust tulip]

the bars with the number beneath it

where the number is 93 in your image

it tells you the percent of time recently the machine has been active

you want that number to be as high as possible

[lament ridge]

why is this one 35%

[robust tulip]

temporarily pause it

with the switch bottom left of the window

[lament ridge]

now its 0

[robust tulip]

yes

give it like 50 secs

then turn it back on again

[unique cypress]

because it's running 35% of the time

[lament ridge]

oooooo

yeah i understand now

but how do i know, how to get the 100% on every machines whats the factors i need to see

[robust tulip]

basically the issue is that your machine is eating up all three limestone at once, leaving you with 0. the game detects the machine has 0 limestone in it and forces it to idle for a few seconds, the idling is hemmoraging your efficiency

[robust tulip]

just plan everything properly

so that your machines are getting exactly the amount they need

nothing more, nothing less

[unique cypress]

you don't have to have all machines running all the time
it's fine
my factories all have at least some machines that run at less than 100%

more is fine

won't affect uptime

[robust tulip]

it will

what about the machines before that?

they'll be clogged up

[unique cypress]

just because one machine gets more than it needs doesn't mean that the one before it will back up

if all machines get more, then yes

but some is fine

that's how manifolds work

[robust tulip]

oh i see your point

yeah i prolly should've made that distinction

[unique cypress]

also, there's little practical benefit to having all your machines at 100%

[tranquil citrus]

What's the best way for me to make sure the fluid makes it to the end of this manifold pipe? Do I just need to use power shards to boost extraction? I have 3 water extractors and eight coal plants and the last two in the line keep losing pressure and turning off

[wind spade]

is that mk1 pipe? how much water can it carry? how much are you putting into it?

[tranquil citrus]

Mk 1, 300, and I'm putting 300 in currently

[onyx raptor]

I am currently playing on the beginner map and I am looking to make a mega Coal Generator Warehouse using the water extractors, Does anyone have any designs that I may be able to use?

[wind spade]

3 extractors make more than 300

[wind spade]

there's only one map

[onyx raptor]

Weird I was watching a YouTube video and the person opened their map and I did not recognise it.

[wind spade]

it's big

[onyx raptor]

Must be, Well that should make designs a little easier I hope.

[tranquil citrus]

You are correct, I can't math lmao. 360 in

[wind spade]

there's your problem then 🙂

[dusky dust]

47km²

[tropic hawk]

?

[dusky dust]

That's how big the map is

[tropic hawk]

ah neat

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

good layouts for coal gens. Keep them in groups of 8 🙂

an example

[plain slate]

How would I connect the assemblers with all the constructors

Also don’t know why it’s telling me to use 3 constructors if I’m using bolted iron plates

I’ll figure it out

[formal yew]

Is heavy turbofuel better then making packeged dilluted fuel and turning that into turbofuel?

[oblique hollow]

no. turbo heavy fuel has a subpar oil and compacted coal efficiency

turbo heavy only has 2 real upsides:

1. its simple
2. it has neat numbers

[formal yew]

ok cool thanks

numbers hell for the next hour it is

[vapid gorge]

if this is about decimals, they are meaningless, you have full control over totals with clocking

[formal yew]

true , maybe it wont be so much hell

[vapid gorge]

if you change the unit of time you're looking at them with they disapear entirely 🙂

[formal yew]

like change it to p/sec?

[vapid gorge]

well 22.45 parts per min turns to
2245 parts per 100 minutes

see? decimals are all in your imagination

[crimson moat]

every recipe in satisfactory uses an integer number of things to make an integer number of things, so you can entirely reduce it to ratios of production machines. How many machines do you need making X recipe per machine making Y recipe?

For example you might need 12 machines to feed 7 machines to make something. However for either (or both) of those numbers, there's almost no penalty for overbuilding, as long as you have enough.

It's often easier to upsize one or both ends to make logistics simpler. For example, it may be easier to have 14 machines feeding 7, rather than 12 machines feeding 7. That way there's a clean 2:1 ratio, you can plug 2 machines from the earlier stage into 1 machine of the later stage, and it be reduced to 7x 2:1 tiles that don't require interconnection or rely on each other or change behavior when expanding capacity.

[vapid gorge]

parts per min is just a convenient method of linking up process cycles since they all have different intervals

[prisma kraken]

especially useful advice for components like quickwire & screws

just about any item that stacks to 500 should be a clue about that

[last merlin]

If u got a impure and normal limestone income = (imp: 30Ls/m and a nor: 60Ls/m)
Which equals 90 in total if u merge those you can then split the 90 on one belt via splitter into 2 belts which will have exactly 45 each = 100% effic.

[vapid gorge]

sure? but manifolds are also 100% efficient

this evenly feeds 120 ore to these smelters https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1456102935988539496/image.png?ex=69f2b609&is=69f16489&hm=1a4001da8e9bdbfe8334b710237761a26b58f403bd944029373a39750000f56f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[last merlin]

Lots of people like to keep it easy at first n then get to more ,,complicated" things over time especially when its ur first run/ world

[prisma kraken]

at that point, probably better to just clock the normal miner to 150%

[last merlin]

If the person has the option to do so - definitely yea

[prisma kraken]

the 45 in the concrete recipe is kind of a nasty thing to deal with any which way, but it all works out when mk3 belts become availabe

[last merlin]

I mean.. could be worse - having 2 45 constructors for the beginning is okay but needs to be upgraded sooner or later

But for the very beginning its okay

[prisma kraken]

because concrete is at a premium early, i often try to do 3 constructors fed by 120/min, each at 88.8888%

[last merlin]

Also valid. I did that on my 2nd run

[prisma kraken]

that's just one of those things where making it fast enough to build what you need helps, and early you haven't cached full containers full yet

[last merlin]

True

[limpid urchin]

I have 8 coal generators being fed 120 coal per minute through a manifold even if I fully saturate them before turning them on the last ones will still start flickering after a while

Is there anything I can do against this?

[meager kettle]

prob not feeding em enough water

[limpid urchin]

Nah the last one just consumes more coal than its getting

its gets empty eventually

The water is always completely full

[meager kettle]

then you might have a tier 1 belt somewhere limiting it

[limpid urchin]

Yeah I was also checking for those but doesnt seem like it

[meager kettle]

can be inside a splitter

[limpid urchin]

Nah that's also not it

Is it just the nature of the manifold

that theres a bit of flickering

[meager kettle]

nope manifolds have no thruput issues

[median heath]

If the last machine was actually saturated and it un-saturated then you have an issue somewhere, yes.

[limpid urchin]

Its weird because the input belt is moving at full speed

If there was an issue somewhere would that not have to stop every now and then because it slows down?

[meager kettle]

post a pic?

[meager kettle]

that looks like 10, not 8

[limpid urchin]

wait

am i that stupid

nah its 8

[meager kettle]

yea nvm, went by the first only

[limpid urchin]

eh I'll just place more and not worry about it

suppose the fluctations dont matter if I just have way more power than I need

[meager kettle]

well the splitter location there makes the back two recieve 40 coal, and the first on front left get 40, and the five to the right get 40. so you're overfeeding the back two and front one, and starving the right five. With enough time, the back two and front left will fill up and the split will be correct. However that might take 20-30 minutes until it happens

[ionic crystal]

fo real screw fluids in this game... need 3x600, one time it is running smooth all of a sudden, only 100 being pumped

[meager kettle]

using buffers?

[ionic crystal]

yea

[meager kettle]

thats your problem

[ionic crystal]

got 3 identical settups, 2 are running smooth 1 has problems

tried it with and without buffers

also being looped at the entrances

[ionic crystal]

i removed the buffers and now 2 setups are fucked and the 1 that was fucked is okay now

[wind spade]

then don't

[ionic crystal]

removing them didn't do shit

[wind spade]

a buffer doesn't solve issues, it just stores them for later

[wind spade]

well, no reason to have them either

also, hard to help without pictures

[ionic crystal]

only reason i added them was ause my friend suggested trying that. worked fine. until it wasn't

[wind spade]

tell your friend that it's a bad idea 🙂

[ionic crystal]

yea my friend makes the worst factorys anyway

but got desperate with aluminum so why not give it a shot

[limpid vapor]

post in #1038092680493801533

are you merging fresh and byproduct water?

[ionic crystal]

hope i got it working now, but its just stupid how prone to errors water is

[ionic crystal]

no gave up on that like 6 factorys ago

[limpid vapor]

well, good

[ionic crystal]

i'm feeding 9 refineries with fresh water, recycled water on 9 others and dumping the last bit of water to wet concrete

blue gets fresh water red gets recycled water

[limpid urchin]

Oh okay thanks

[prisma kraken]

just disconnect the power from the last couple of generators & let them build up a buffer of a few coal each and it'll eliminate that flickering. It's an annoying issue if you don't pre-warm the manifold. I specifically build coal power with a power-of-two belt split to avoid that issue.

[vapid gorge]

and you're having issues with it?

it looks like youv'e interlinked ALL the systems together?

if so that's an extremely obnoxious way of setting things up for yourself

process each belt independently from each other, like so https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=69f35d3e&is=69f20bbe&hm=535534f1a1b81e86c3cfa6d7341a5b4b5939d5bb6ac51066c93ba2c3e6f96b2e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[ionic crystal]

Don't know what you mean with iinterlinked, each 3 refineries proces 600 bauxite each. Only when water input is fucked then others are also fucked

[vapid gorge]

if you process a belt of bauxite, coes any of the waste water go back anywhere other than processing that belt? cause it looks like iot

like the image I posted

in that image red is the waste pipe

[ionic crystal]

Waste water of that belt goes to another 600 bauxite (combined with some other waste water)

[vapid gorge]

for example this looks like 2 different units but you're splitting the waste water in two different directions

[vapid gorge]

yeah don't do that

process each belt of bauxite entirely independently from all the other chunks

[ionic crystal]

Can't make sense of this one, won't you have way more waste water? And what do you do with that then?

[vapid gorge]

this is the clocking

for either 600 or 780 bauxite pm

it uses exactly the right amount

[ionic crystal]

So for 600 bauxite you only need 180 water?

[vapid gorge]

depends on yoru recipes, which are you using?

[ionic crystal]

Sloppy with regular scraps (coal)

[vapid gorge]

this is the example for your recipes

so for your combo you would run 40% of the bauxite on fresh water, 60% on waste

for whatever amounts are coming in on that belt

so for 600 bauxite you'd use 240 bauxite on fresh

[proven sphinx]

What is "better" Uranium Fuel rod or Uranium Fuel unit?

[median heath]

Better is subjective.

[proven sphinx]

yes ofc - easier maybe? xD

[median heath]

Define "easy"?

[proven sphinx]

Smaller factory

[median heath]

Rod.

[proven sphinx]

Ty

[median heath]

💛

[meager kettle]

fuel rod is "easier" fuel unit gives more rods = more power

[median heath]

Which is why I asked for all the clarification before answering 😭

[wind spade]

well, that depends on other recipes in chain as well

it's practically never about a single step

[median heath]

However you want to splice it, making Oscillators and Rotors is going to take more than making just EIBs.

Unit trades space/complexity for higher yield.

[young bough]

how many coputer and HMF do you think i need for the rest of the game

is 20 HMF a good number

and 60 computers

[limpid vapor]

thats easily "enough" hmf if you are not planning some kind of gigantic projects, for computers it depends on the alts you plan to use in the future and your expectations, you can probably also easily make do with 60 of those

really it all depends, as always

[young bough]

yea, this is like my 5th playthough and im making a megafactory

[limpid vapor]

then i dont understand why you are asking questions like this

[young bough]

second opinion

[limpid vapor]

no one can really give you one thats actually worth anything for your situation :p

[young bough]

should i do all the aluminum or jsut 5000 baux

ish

[limpid vapor]

well, again, who knows 🤷 , people can tell you what they like to do, thats not necessarily useful information for you

i made 4500 ingots myself, figured thats a comfortable enough amount for me

[young bough]

seems fair

i think ill just do the bauxite thats in my playbox

[wind spade]

any number is good number, if it makes the amount you need

[young bough]

ok socrates

[wind spade]

if you're making megafactory, I'd heavily recommend planning the whole playthrough before building it

though I'd also recommend to not build megafactory

[wind spade]

I mean you're asking us if a number you told us is good enough to fulfill your needs which we don't know

[young bough]

well im jsut going with the flow

im gonna wing it

its pretty mutch a moduar factory, but with resorces belted in

so like a hybrid

[young bough]

also that was a compament

kinda

[wind spade]

?

[young bough]

the great greek philosopher

[wild atlas]

if i want to do a train from player to cursor to collect 150 items per min production how many trains would i need on the line/ how many cargo boxes

[oblique hollow]

Try 1 with just one freight car

If it doesnt keep up, add another wagon or another train

[wild atlas]

is it more efficent to have 2 wagons or 2 train with 1 wagon

ive never touched monorail before so im very new to it

[oblique hollow]

Not sure how one could be more efficient than the other

[wild atlas]

less likely to mess up more stable per minute travel ig

[oblique hollow]

It wouldnt even use less power to add another car because of freigbt platforms

[oblique hollow]

At these small rates and this distance they likely would be equal

[wild atlas]

cool cool

[oblique hollow]

No particular benefit for one over the other except for maybe space used

Freight platforms are big

[wild atlas]

and can trains circle back on the same rail or do i have to make a full circle

[oblique hollow]

They can but if you want an expandable rail network then you should invest in proper rails

[wild atlas]

so when im running the rail just run 2 side by side

[oblique hollow]

Ye

And of course signals once theres more than one train

[wild atlas]

and how many rails would you say id need

[oblique hollow]

Theres no benefit to more than 1 per direction

[wild atlas]

i mean actually how many will i place

[oblique hollow]

Trains dont "spread out iver multiple rails" if they all go the same direction

[wild atlas]

like so i can prep material

[oblique hollow]

dude no clue

[wild atlas]

ish?

[oblique hollow]

Cant say

[wild atlas]

like i have no idea myself

fair

[oblique hollow]

Just try. some things you will have to find out yourself

[wild atlas]

cool cool ty for the advice

[meager kettle]

rails can be anywhere from 1.5 to 12.5 foundations long, so guessing how many you'll make is more or less impossible

[limber flame]

um idk if this question goes here but im new to satisfactory and i got 3 drives and so i have 3 alternate recipes but i dunno if they're any good

is there anyway to know or would i just have to ask here?

[median heath]

Good is subjective.
What you personally find good is not going to line up with what someone else finds good.

Also, you will unlock ALL recipes eventually, so there is no wrong answer in that regard.

[limber flame]

Oh

well idk what my version of good would be ☠️

Is there any like uhh commonly agreed 'better' recipe to look for first?

[median heath]

Anyone who says "yes" to that is either lying or telling you "the correct way to play the game is my way of playing."

Pick what you feel you might actually use in the near future.

[limber flame]

Hmm, fair enough I guess. Thanks.

[median heath]

Assuming this is your first run -> just go with your gut.
As I said you'll get them all eventually. After you have seen them all and "beaten" the game, you'll know what you personally want.
And all subsequent runs you'll have your preferences locked in. Don't adopt someone else's preferences before you've experienced the game yourself. 💛

[limber flame]

yeah it is my first run i recently got the game, i was going with my gut for the most part, just as I progressed through the elevator parts phases I was running into questions and stuff just wondering but I have seen a lot that the game gives you freedom to do whatever so I think I'll take your advice and just do whatever then when I do a second run as you said I'll know!

[median heath]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

[vapid gorge]

to expand on the recipe thing, there's basically no meta in recipe choice - and you can't have 'best' unless you're very specific as to what your situation is

your location
your volume you want to make of said item/s
what other items you're making on location
what you're willing to import
what other factories some ways a way might want to use
personal preferences to how to go about doing things
and maybe most importantly - what other recipes you choose to use along the chain

recipe combinations have HUGE impacts.

So yeah. No best. No Meta 🙂 the thing I love the most about the game honestly

[prisma kraken]

if you're building ridiculously big, there's some recipes to avoid, but that's something that you shouldn't worry about on the first playthrough. get through the game once before trying to figure out how to plan a 2000 hr max nuclear build 😄

[plain slate]

Why’s the iron on the right side of the manifold not filling up

I have 270 iron coming in

[vapid gorge]

either your miner is set wrong, you haven't waited long enough, or you have a low mk bit of belt somewhere choking it

[plain slate]

Fixed it. It was a singular inch long mk 2 bet

Belt

[vapid gorge]

yup. Happens a lot especially if you build splitters/mergers on top of belts. which you shoudl avoid doing

[plain slate]

it was near the top where i have 3 miners merged into one output line and it was the output line lol

[wicked dome]

This honestly scares me. And I know I'm about to have to come up to this. And i'm just in the middle of rebuilding my entire iron production

[prisma kraken]

i'll say it more explicitly than Cobalt... when you place splitters/mergers on belts, you run the risk of having a too short belt that never gets upgraded. experience builders in this game always do it the more explict splitter first, then connect the belts because it is so time consuming to find the problem

[plain slate]

Can you help me out on how to proceed after this factory?

[plain slate]

Also I’ll try fixing this too in future factories

Im actually lost on what to do next it’s overwhelming

[prisma kraken]

its good practice and once you start doing things the 'hard' way, you'll find a bit of pride in it all

if you're at steel and have your coal up and running, probably the next thing is to put on the big boy pants and get to mod frames for vers frameworks

[plain slate]

Is 10 per minute good to start with

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=fYyVhN63TRAi8OKYpGYz im tyring to do this since i already have enough beams and pipes

[long gust]

i'm having an issue with my rafinery, the las one from the left and the right can't push residue oil to the blender. same thing happen on the output of my blenders so my electricity is unstable

[plain slate]

But I don’t know how to do it logistic wise

[prisma kraken]

probably. depends on what your goals are, but at the phase 2 point, the belt speed is still really limited (that changes with 480 belts) and you can't really start building volume yet

[plain slate]

Can you check this out

[prisma kraken]

first thing is get rid of those valves

[long gust]

it was an hotfix

that doesn't fix the problem

[prisma kraken]

second thing: pipe networks behave much better when they are small. prefer sizing things to the mk1 300/min and using several pipes

when manifolds get really long, they start sloshing around

[long gust]

the problems happen on the line of 20 but also on the line of three

[prisma kraken]

and the one you have pictured is pathologically too big

[long gust]

even if a balance the line

w

[prisma kraken]

you said that is 20 hor refineries?

[long gust]

yeah ...

[prisma kraken]

20x40 = 800 > 600

[long gust]

20x20=400

[prisma kraken]

the hor recipe is 30 crude -> 40 hor

[long gust]

i'm using rubber recipe, 30 to 20

[prisma kraken]

ahh, ok

check your output belt for the rubber & see if it is backed up

that needs 400/min as well

[long gust]

its a part of this

basicaly : 600 crude oil in 20 rafinnerie doing rubber. Heavy oil goes into 8 blenders with water to make fuel. fuel are both use for making plasting and for the generators

mathematically everything are balanced. but hymn concretely, the end can'T affort

[prisma kraken]

i'd split it in two halves and consider oc'ing the refineries

here's an example of me doing 600 crude into base rubber

the 4 rubber refineries on each side are at 250%

[long gust]

but why the valves are bad ?

[prisma kraken]

valves never do what you think they should

when you set the flow rate on them, they cut down the current flow by a percentage and only give you the set rate if the pipe is completely full

that makes everything very difficult to actually reason about, and um, i have a good suspicion that they don't really stop backflow either 😛

[long gust]

in this i'm only using it to control the orientation of the flow

hum

[prisma kraken]

they've never solved any flow problems and most likely never will

[long gust]

for sure the setup will be easier without 20 merging

[prisma kraken]

use them as decorative pieces if you wish, but don't try to control flow with them

what i said is very true, pipe networks behave much better when they are small

[long gust]

but I try to reduce the blender from 6 to 3 and I got the same issue

and I can't go bellow 3

[prisma kraken]

you may have multiple things going on

sloshing, bad clock rate on a machine, weird headlift issue somewhere, etc

tough to say with big networks because there's a ton of stuff to look at and well, you can only look at so much at once

[long gust]

but generally I don't have problems using valves... like here, no problem

[prisma kraken]

that hurts my soul

you are violating rule #1 of piping

[long gust]

tell me this rule I need to know

[prisma kraken]

keep pipe networks small and simple

[long gust]

it's just 2 km of pipe ! with 500 meter of downflow

[prisma kraken]

if you can't look at it and tell me where the fluid is flowing, the game sure as hell can't

[long gust]

very sorry for the rule.... but I have 24 raffineries connectoed on a sigle pipe... I'm I going to hell ?

[prisma kraken]

rule #2 always place all consumers of a network at the same altitude

[long gust]

rules #2 I respected It by default

[prisma kraken]

for gases, you can get away with having them at different heights, but for pipes, having consumers at different levels leads to weird priority problems

rule 3: 2 mk1 pipes are preferable to 1 mk2 pipe

[long gust]

omg

please, do not come in my game... you will hate it

but thanks you for the tips ! I'm taking notes for my next save

[prisma kraken]

i mean, it all looks cool

its just that large pipe networks really are nightmares to debug

[long gust]

no problems here, and it's wilder (I don'T know if the word exist)

[vapid gorge]

ok yeah at this point you need to make a post in #1038092680493801533 with lots of clear overhead images of the layout

gonna be a lot easier to figure out there than on a main channel

many pipe crimes to be seen

[prisma kraken]

yeah, that too.

well, unless you enjoy public shaming 😉

nah, overall your stuff looks well-built

[vapid gorge]

I mean it's more that you'll have a dedicated thread that's easy to reference

[long gust]

I'm proud of myself, I never watch video for setups, never using automated schema for a factory. I'm doing it with a pen and paper. I can make mistake

[prisma kraken]

that happens too

we've all mathed wrong at some point

one thing that has probably been saving you a lot of trouble is that you are downfeeding from pipes above. for one reason or another, i feel that often behaves a lot better

[long gust]

the water is comming from up the hill

[prisma kraken]

yeah, the mesa water is always a great way of getting it into the desert. gravity is good

[long gust]

don't ever comment the gas pipe passing between the water pipe XD

this was an hotfix

[prisma kraken]

hey, you do what you gotta do

[long gust]

but I have the same setup of 20 rafinneries in a different axis without problems !

[prisma kraken]

there's always small variances in our builds that are easily overlooked.

takes forever to find those small things

[long gust]

Do you think it's worth diagnosing for approximately 1000 MW? 60 refineries, 24 blenders, then 20 more refineries to power 85 generators?

[vapid gorge]

up to you. you could take it as a learning lesson with pipes and just have a little bit less power

[vapid gorge]

but a couple things about that

1. no problems that you noticed. A lot of people miss small yellow stutters in systems
2. there's reliable ways to pipes and less reliable ways to pipes

the issue is that you absolutely can make unreliable layouts work. Getting them to work reliably is the issue

I have seen some truly stupid set ups that, through some miracle, looked stable.

[prisma kraken]

haha, yeah, the power of 'works by coincidence'

[vapid gorge]

sometimes you throw a deck of cards in the air and a few land and lean against each other

[vast jungle]

when in doubt, use the KISS principle with pipes... its a first good step

[proven sphinx]

1 nuclear plant at 100% gives 10 uranium waste per min ?

[meager kettle]

sounds about right, its x50 from rods used

[proven sphinx]

Would you say it's "worth" using sloops to make the plutonium fuel rods made from 400 uranium waste?

[meager kettle]

oh god no, never

[proven sphinx]

Because they are limited? or because the power consumption of the fuelrod production will be higher then the produced power?

[meager kettle]

because you'll make more waste and refinign plutonium waste is expensive as heck

if you want more power, build an alien power augmentor

[wind spade]

Why not

[oblique hollow]

the slooped plutonium, if you want to burn it, is only worth it if you can afford Ficsonium

i would actually rather sloop ficsonium fuel rods instead

[lone jewel]

however, that can have a potentially very large power cost, would you still get more power out of it?

[oblique hollow]

4x more power for one single encoder vs 2x more power from nukes

now its just a question of what is gonna be bigger

[lone jewel]

looks like you'll get very slightly more power

but at the cost of the sloops

[oblique hollow]

sloop ficsonium vs sloop plutonium was the question

slooped ficsonium just means it needs more power and you get more DMR
but slooped plutonium would require you to increase ficsonium processing

[meager kettle]

slooping plutonium, say you make the max of 22.4/min would make 44.8/min which will now require 12000 aluminium ingots and 24000 sam ore to process into ficsonium :p

slooping ficsonium would give 224 rods over 112 and make you independent on dmr.

[lone jewel]

the comparison was slooping ficsonium here, but slooping plutonium only makes sense if you're not making a real lot

as otherwise you'll just run out of SAM

[oblique hollow]

im not sure if it ever makes sense to sloop plutonium

vs just slooping ficsonium

[lone jewel]

it doesn't look like either one makes much sense tbh

[oblique hollow]

ficsonium may only be a marginal increase, but its a practically "free" increase and it makes you use less DMR / SAM

[meager kettle]

how much power does a fully overclocked and slooped quantum encoder suck?

[oblique hollow]

4 x 3.34 x base power

[lone jewel]

well it's a power decrease if you're just using it to reduce resource cost

[oblique hollow]

thats.... 13.36 x 2000 MW

or 13,36 x 1000 MW average

[meager kettle]

26720 max yea

[oblique hollow]

if you go with the max its a lot less usable power

the avergae is technically usable but would mean you need to use storages

[lone jewel]

actually, if you use the DMR it does reduce the amount of SAM needed

[meager kettle]

it would make 12.5 fics rods which would generate 31250MW, so just a small net gain :p

and it would eliminate need of DMR

[lone jewel]

but no real difference in power usage doing that

[oblique hollow]

hmm.... a regular encoder would use 2000 MW max and make 2500 MW

or 1000 MW avg. and make 2500 MW

[meager kettle]

naw, 2500*2.5

[oblique hollow]

oh right 2500 MW per 1/min rod

[meager kettle]

6250

[lone jewel]

imo, def not worth the sloop cost, especially since you can use half the sloops to just increase the DMR by the same amount in the convertor

[meager kettle]

could do it for shits and giggles if you get the inventory bug and get infinite sloops :p

[oblique hollow]

well its either slooped converter for LESS DMR usage or slooped encoder for 0 DMR usage

[lone jewel]

there's still DMR usage

[oblique hollow]

well, at least 0 in the Ficsonium

[lone jewel]

as it's needed in an earlier step

[oblique hollow]

Singularity cell still needs em of course

[lone jewel]

so it works out to exactly the same

i'm using the unslooped encoder output to feed the sigularity cells

but regardless of which one you sloop, you still need the same amount of DMR somewhere

[meager kettle]

not really

[oblique hollow]

heh, slooping the ficsonium would be better than slooping the ficsonium rods apparently.
but it still means using more Trigons

nooo wait hold on.

[meager kettle]

if you sloops ficsonium rods you dont need to bring in dmr for the ficsonium itself. aside a little to start it

[lone jewel]

no but then you need double the trigons, which greatly increases SAM cost

[oblique hollow]

if you sloop ficsonium you ALSO dont need more DMR for Ficsonium

because of the doubled encoders

it would use more resources naturally

[meager kettle]

but you need twice the trigons :p

which is not desired :p

[oblique hollow]

sloop the encoder too

that way you make free DMR

which you can recycle into the Singularity cells

for 0 DMR needed. just trigons

[meager kettle]

typically slooping last step is desired. few exceptions like slooping ficsite ingots rather than the trigons

[oblique hollow]

voila, all for the price of 12 sloops 😂

[graceful tundra]

why are you slooping non overclocked buildings?

[oblique hollow]

why would i overclock the particle accelerator, which i only need 1 of

[formal compass]

Hello friends stupid question but I just unlocked miner mk2, is there any benefit of using it outside of just overclocking a mk1 to 200%?

[graceful tundra]

because why would you make so little ficsonium?

i assumed this was to be upscaled to the full supply you can get

[oblique hollow]

nah

[graceful tundra]

so why are you just converting 10 plutonium waste?

[oblique hollow]

because this is a test and overclocking more makes the net power negative

which means making this would be a literal waste of power and resources

[graceful tundra]

damn, so i really do have to forget about ficsonium then? is the mean power negative, or the minimum power negative?

[median heath]

@lone jewel out of curiosity, what do you reserve somers for in your world?

[oblique hollow]

if you overclock everything there, then the power made - max power used becomes negative

[graceful tundra]

well obviously you'd only overclock the slooped buildings

[oblique hollow]

even just with the clocking i did here, you NEED to work with average power used

because max power is still negative otherwise

-11 MW if you just try to work with the maximum power used by the buildings

[graceful tundra]

wait so max plutonium/ficsonium is worse for power as well as worse for ressources ?

[oblique hollow]

this is just ficsonium stage

if you dont sloop anything, it IS power positive

[graceful tundra]

yes, and more plutonium => more ficsonium

[oblique hollow]

slooping~~ ficsonium~~ plutonium would be worse for resources overall as it doubles EVERY cost

[meager kettle]

yes, fertile uranium recipe is bad :)

[graceful tundra]

and that is not possible if you use all the uranium and maximise plutonium and ficsonium

you don't have enough sam

[frosty owl]

Or overclock too much xD

[oblique hollow]

im talking about the planner i have here, the slooped buildings in my planner

[meager kettle]

you can sloop ficsite ingots for only 20 sloops and have enough sam

[graceful tundra]

tbf i wouldn't sloop those

[graceful tundra]

and that's without the electromagnetic rods, aluminium etc... damn

[oblique hollow]

good news: slooped ficsonium makes 4x more power
bad news: you spend half of that minimum on just running the damn thing

[graceful tundra]

32 with the fertile uranium and instant plutonium cells

[meager kettle]

dont use fertile

[oblique hollow]

max Plutonium is garbage because it means more Ficsonium

[graceful tundra]

yeah it makes the numbers awful as well

[meager kettle]

more resources for less power

[oblique hollow]

but yeah, sloop ficsonium and ficsonium rods and you DO get about 4x more power out for just 2 x more Ficsite and rods

but the power out is only usable with power storages

[graceful tundra]

can't afford that with how much sam we got

or maybe if i sloop just the rods

hmmm

[oblique hollow]

ficsonium was never feasible with max uranium / plutonium

never ever

this is only feasible if you decide to do only some

[meager kettle]

it is doable with slooping ficsite ingots

[graceful tundra]

because of what?

[oblique hollow]

resource cost

[graceful tundra]

of which ressource besides SAM?

[oblique hollow]

i think also copper and aluminum

[graceful tundra]

dang

[meager kettle]

you need ~ 5000 alu ingots all in all, where 3000 go to trigons

copper you need about ~ half of the map

[graceful tundra]

almost 5K goes to trigons with max plutonium

[meager kettle]

yea more reason to not do fertile

[oblique hollow]

skip fertile, minimize plutonium and use the sloops and sam you now gained for doubly slooped Ficsonium

[graceful tundra]

[oblique hollow]

only 12 sloops per 10/min Plutonium Waste!
maybe even a bit less lol

[meager kettle]

thats a lot

[oblique hollow]

yeah which is why this isnt something you would build on scale

[meager kettle]

224 Pu waste/min :p

[oblique hollow]

this is more so a small scale thing you would build "just cuz you can"

[meager kettle]

268 sloops :p

[graceful tundra]

might do instant plutonium though

[oblique hollow]

doesnt that give more plutonium anyway

AND cost more aluminum?

[meager kettle]

instant cells -> Pu fuel units, make 22.4 Pu rods/min using all 2100 uranium on map with the infused U cells + U fuel units

which is doable to turn to ficsonium if you sloop the ficsite ingots, using 20 sloops

[graceful tundra]

UUUH

i got 11.2

oh

i am stupid

[meager kettle]

and i think it was 52 sloops or 56 to sloop the ficsonium fuel rods

[graceful tundra]

actually, it's barely possible in vanilla

without slooping

[meager kettle]

its not possible

[graceful tundra]

nvm

[meager kettle]

without slooping

[graceful tundra]

yeah no nvm that was the regular line

not the instant PU cell line

[meager kettle]

you need like 12000 sam ore alone for the ingots

and theres only 10200

[graceful tundra]

without instant PU cell and fertile uranium, you need 10080 lol

[meager kettle]

but slooping ingots its 3000 alu ingots + 6000 sam, which is now very doable

[graceful tundra]

kinda wanna do that instead for the funsies of surviving on 120 sam

[meager kettle]

well you need some DMR for the singularity cells + ficsonium

so you need to sloop anyway

[graceful tundra]

oh fudge i forgot that

[meager kettle]

well, you could make some dmr thru byproducts

[graceful tundra]

the ai server is the best for DM right?

[meager kettle]

i have not mathed that out so idk

[graceful tundra]

using the time crystal DMR recipe

[limber flame]

hi do you guys use exact math to decide which belt you're going to place or do you just overcompensate and place a higher belt/best belt available?

[unique cypress]

I see 0 practical benefit to using the "appropriate" belt. I basically always use the highest I have available
The only exception is mk2 because at that stage of the game I usually don't have enough rips to use mk2 for everything

[frosty owl]

I usually like to use the slowest best possible, mostly for visuals

[limber flame]

Yeah thats why i was asking, I wasn't sure if all materials were supposed to be close to each other or was it just a nice visual up to the player.

[limber flame]

I see. I've been playing with both the appropiate and the higher ones, just came here to see what everyone else uses. Thanks for the insight!

[frosty owl]

There can be some logistical reasons to use slower or faster belts, but one can usually just use a single segment of slow belt to get the job done and keep using max speed anywhere else anyway :P

[limber flame]

thanks :)

[median heath]

Output - scale down to lowest.
Input - highest possible.

[prisma kraken]

kinda sorta, but depends on where you're using the dm crystal. sometimes its better to sloop a dmr making recipe for more, which is the case for FFR's. for other recipes, I have a feeling that slooping the synth power shards is good for making dmr as well

[limber flame]

Uhh, I think this goes here too, but whats the best material to SINK?

[median heath]

Define "best"?

[limber flame]

What gives t he most material points thingy

[median heath]

Ballistic Warp Drive.

[limber flame]

Oh, guessing thats late game 😭 Uhhh

For early game what would be the best item to sink

Without using major materials that I'll need to progress

[median heath]

Why not just make things and have all excess of everything sunk when storage fills?

[limber flame]

I have that on some of my factories like rods, screws, etc but I wanted to give more to the sink since it takes a lot to get a ticket

[median heath]

As you make better stuff that you have to make anyway, your point value for those things goes up.

[limber flame]

Okay. I guess you're right. Thanks again

[median heath]

Make what you need to make, points take care of themselves.
The only time a "dedicated to points" factory is feasible is in the later Phases when you have access to those massively high-value, pointless to make for any reason other than points items.

If you need a burst of coupons -- go hunting, convert to Alien DNA.

[limber flame]

Not a need, more so of a want, just wanted to get windows and stuff to help factories come together. But I understand where you are coming from, I do have overflow of smaller materials going to the sink anyways so as I'm building other stuff the coupons will slowly fill up.

[median heath]

Oh go hunting, plz. You will make MASSIVE coupons from Alien DNA.

Especially if you have somers to quadruple your output. (Remains = x2 Protien = x4 DNA)

You'll have the entire shop unlocked from a casual lap around the map.

[limber flame]

Oh okay lol. thanks, I always saw it in the sink but I wasn't sure what to do, I assume that part is manual only? I wasn't sure if there was a way to automate getting animal materials

[median heath]

You have to go get the Remains, but everything after that is automated (which is why you can somer it).

Most people have a dump container with a line connected to 4 smarts/poggers that sort the Remains into 1 of 4 Constructors to process them into Protein which goes to the 5th Constructor, processing into DNA.

So if you want the most hands-free system, you need to spend 5 somers on it. But it is WORTH for the insane amount of coupons you get.

[limber flame]

Okay, I'll keep this in mind. I only want a few items for now but once I free-roam from the phases I'll be able to build.

Thanks again lol

^^ i had plenty remains from previous hunting to get the tickets!

[vapid gorge]

Whatever you have in excess

[median heath]

I have a whole challenge run I designed around Alien DNA 😄

[plain slate]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=5Fm9vljmTGsB6kjXPyd2 a lil confused on how to split the 8 screw constructors to two different sides

This is what I got so far

first from left to right is plates, screws, rods, iron pipe

[vapid gorge]

You could make two groups of machines that make screws

120 and 250

Clocking is the core mechanic of this game for logistical management

[plain slate]

alright seperated the screw groups

the other groups should be easy to merge

[plain slate]

So something like this for the iron plates?

[vapid gorge]

I can’t really tell what is going on sorry but if you’re following the numbers and built it right should be ok?

[plain slate]

alright my bad its going to be innefficient for the time being since im not a mk 4

[vapid gorge]

You only need mk3 for 250 screws?

[plain slate]

but the whole factory needs about 360 coal

*iron

[vapid gorge]

So do it in two groups

Get coal and iron from 2 sources each

[plain slate]

im not using coal

iron pipe instead

[vapid gorge]

Yeah that chews through iron

[plain slate]

oh you mean build 2 seperate factories with diff nodes

[vapid gorge]

You could use coal (coal and iron are the most common combos you can find)

And solid steel ingot

Plus iron wire to cut copper

[vapid gorge]

Just two belts of iron from two dif places to the one factory works

[plain slate]

ok

so choose iron wire over steel rotor?

[vapid gorge]

Depends on you really
Both are useful

I usually use both together

[plain slate]

yeah iron pipe chews through iron so much holy

reduced the iron need by like 130 by just removing it

[prisma kraken]

iron pipe is good for a few things it is a very good recipe when you have more iron than you have coal, and also for the one-offs like sam fluctuators and explosive rebar. Really where it shines is when using iron alloy or pure iron with a matched set of coal & iron nodes and you are making hmf's

[wind spade]

That depends on your preferences

[proven sphinx]

Any Satisfactory modeler enjoyers here?
is there a feature where i can set i have X of these items ? like in this picure - i have X amount of fused frames and x amount of radio control units

[frosty owl]

Not sure of what you're asking...
You can get any amount of items on a belt, if you either clock production machines accordingly or load-balance what you have on belts...

[vapid gorge]

Huh?
Maybe try the modeller discord

[proven sphinx]

i forgot do type inn the modeler part idk why - i must be tierd :D

[frosty owl]

You can interact (double click or right-click) with the items' icons inside each production node directly (eg: the fused frame icon in the Pressure Conversion node can be interacted with)

[proven sphinx]

What im trying to ask is if theres a way i can do like the lower right and add " i am making X amount of fused frames already so when i change numbers down the line - i will see when i do not have enough items to produce more if that makes sense - i have several "smaller" factories that produced stuff - and it would be nice to make them as "outposts" or a storage or something x) i know this isnt the modeler discord - but perhaps there are some experts here - like greeeny use to lurk around here helping out people using his tool for example

[frosty owl]

There's plenty of people who can give some decent help on Modeler (though, ofc, not as in-depth as the dedicated server), but there's also some people who simply dislike Modeler and take every chance to actively push related questions to the dedicated server 🤷‍♂️

That aside, modeler (assuming you're using the correct calculator mode for the job) normally does account for what inputs are aviable; it should work something like this:

• If no inputs are connected, no errors are given
• If inputs are connected to a node with no set limits, the node will try to match output to not exceed inputs provided
• If inputs are connected to a node with set limits, the node will try to match inputs to the set limit and Modeler will highlight the node or connected inputs if any give any issues (eg: lack of one input will lead to visible issues on the production node and the node providing that input)

So it should all just come down to balancing which nodes do you set limits on and which you leave "free" for Modeler to calculate based on inputs provided

[proven sphinx]

Thanks alot!

Stil familiarizing myself with the tool! :)

[frosty owl]

No worries. It's not super-easy to master given how many options you have to do things and the bare-bones informations it provides about how to use the software 😅

[proven sphinx]

Yea I mostly used the satisfactory tool earlier - and i just kept putting "inputs" as i was mooving down the production line , cause that way every single line would disapear and it would be set as "input" - but the production line itself kept resetting every single time i did that so my ocd had to set it up all over every time - this tools is static atm and i like it quite alot

[frosty owl]

In that sense, it might be better to make many "tabs" on Tools, each tab representing one factory/production line...
Still, that's one of the reasons why I prefer Modeler on big or detailed production plans

[tight socket]

If you have a turbo fuel factory that produces 200 turbo fuel per minute, drones take ~2 min to travel consuming around 30per trip so 15 fuel a minute required meaning I can fuel around 13 drones correct?

[vapid gorge]

@sour bough like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=69f5577e&is=69f405fe&hm=7dc6edf64a025ed5a3289425fcd8bebe092a295d3354c5d0d05f4e8aebea4236&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[sour bough]

water in top left & residual, alumina soution around the back

[vapid gorge]

the issue with that is you need 2 machines making solution to keep waste and fresh split

[sour bough]

overclocked so it should be 240 bauxite in, 288 solution out (which brings 144 water back) so i should only need 96 water from the elft

[vapid gorge]

in the first image I sent, the blue line was fresh and the red was waste
never connecting

[sour bough]

hmm i see

ive only got the 1 node near me atm so i assumed what i had may work

[vapid gorge]

how much bauxite are you processing?

and what recipes?

[sour bough]

240
sloppy alumina & pure aluminium ingot

[vapid gorge]

ok well you could still do 2 solution refineries and under clock them

but honestly you want a fair bit of aluminium so you might as well OC your bauxite miner

[sour bough]

yeah ill probably end up doing that and following what u sent

seems way smarter thank u

[vapid gorge]

no stress!
there are ways to mix fresh and waste water - but they are less reliable and far more fiddly

basically the only thing that can go wrong with that is human error and you can't get rid of that problem

[eternal pendant]

did they change ladders? like i cannot get on a ladder from above, at all now

on ground, they are annoying as shit, from above? might as well leap to your death

oh wrong room, mb

[cerulean stratus]

guys, I got a hard question

I want to turn the sets of belts on the left, into the one on the right, using smart splitters and prio mergers

I cannot guarantee how mine lines of turbofuel will appear, only that it will be continuous

[unique cypress]

You mean compressing them down?

[vast jungle]

do you mean just changing positions of the belts? or aggregating items on the bottom?

[cerulean stratus]

aggregating items on the bottom

[unique cypress]

Then I'd use this #math-and-meta message but with priority splitters to give priority output to the bottom

[vast jungle]

yes, no priority mergers necessary

you can also do it as a flat 4x4 grid on the ground... input belts in one direction, output 90° from the input

[unique cypress]

Prio mergers would be useful if you wanted to consume some belts before others

[vast jungle]

doesn't really make much of a difference for a compressor...

[unique cypress]

Not sure you could
You'd need input in one direction, and output in the opposite and top or bottom
Vertical splitters don't work like that (unfortunately)

[ember fractal]

Alien power matrix is not worth it. Resource and power costs are too high for what you get

[meager kettle]

thats actually not true

[dusky dust]

Well, there's a break-even point after which you are gaining extra power, and if you're someone who enjoys building factories, APM is another factory you get to make. :D The real benefit to building APM is the sick APA effects you get to enjoy after the fact, though.

Well worth it just for that, IMO. :P